Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

woo-hoo! If I'm not first, it still applies because it's cold & windy in Iowa!

Off the table? There's still a week and a day to go. I'll bet someone will serve up a steaming, helping of Rev. Wright between now & then. It still disturbs me that he sat there & listened to that for years & said nothing. I still think Hil'ry was the best hope for the country this election cycle. If not for the writers' strike, SNL would've called the MSM on their coddling of Obama and it would've been a different story.

Has the early voting made much of anything a wasted effort for McCain? We attacked Syria? Haven't seen much news in 2 days.

Did see lots of Obama & McCain signs down here. More houses with McCain signs but if a yard has one Obama sign, they tend to have 2 or even 3 in one, big clump.

Wright story is an Old News cycle.
Obama will say he came clean - which he gave the big speach but never addressed the issue - along withany others - But these issues to Obama are protected by the duck oil of much of the media.

Even if a valid point could be made McCain has no vocalization ability to get it out

Blue -- Not only did we bomb a Syrian village, but I believe we strayed into Pakistan and dropped a few as well. Unbelievable.

Hopefully the 527's should be picking up the Wright story this week. This just goes to demonstrate Obama lack of judgment, as does his association with Ayers and all the other usual suspects.

McCain and Republicans must stay on fiscal message – all of the other items are noise despite the basis in fact.

The message must be strong for any chance of victory and to continue to force Obama to the middle. He may not stay there but Obama will be forced to talk about his liberal fiscal and social past and maybe some of the centric themes Obama is spouting will stick – and lessen the damage that his historical self would play.

Craig an A for the day but big Bonus points for incorporating the “Shun” word appropriately with the topic – an old practice rarely found in modern America.

Give me some of that ole time Rel.......

But these issues to Obama are protected by the duck oil of much of the media.

Even if a valid point could be made McCain has no vocalization ability to get it out

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 27, 2008 6:24 AM

Another slam dunk from Ping.

My opinion is that McCain should shut up about this. He had his chances and blew them, helped by his own miscalculations and by the media obama love fest...
..... Sad....but true.

This just goes to demonstrate Obama lack of judgment, as does his association with Ayers and all the other usual suspects.

Posted by: Anselm | October 27, 2008 6:43 AM

Do you actually think that at this point the media will even attempt to burn Obama now that the celebration party is being scheduled allready in Chicago?
Come on...They gave him the royal treatment for a year now.....In sight of the shore, they will willfully see him through to the finish line....

I have come to terms with him being our next potus. It´s okay. A country deserves the rpesident they get.

Now, that said, it is lunch time here in Holland.....
Will be back after my ciabbatas and bacon with eggs....

In all this joyous triumphant moment over Obama's march to the White House, lets us take a moment to remember the true fallen heroine who lost because of her sexuality, and the back stabbing hypocrisy of her own party.

R.I.P
Hillary R. Clinton
2008
Death by Colleagues

"Not only did we bomb a Syrian village, but I believe we strayed into Pakistan and dropped a few as well. Unbelievable."

patsi, blue..... and god knows what else w & co will do in the next 85 days.
maybe it sounds like tin hat stuff and silly to expend the time and money this late in their terms for impeachment; but, lacking a revolt/mutiny, they still have two months plus and the power to do a great deal of damage. well, back to the basement until 1/20/09.

don't these remaining months conjour the nightmare of sherman's march to the sea with w in playing sherman applying "the principles of scorched earth, ordering his troops to burn crops, kill livestock, consume supplies, and destroy civilian infrastructure along their path"?

[quote lifted from wiki]

Jason,

As to your question of the new media. The answer is no, that is why I am hoping the 527's come out with guns blazing this week. Seriously how does a interview like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck , not receive scrutiny by our news media? I don't fault Obama because he has always been a FLLL, Far Left Leaning Liberal, but our news media, because of their bias coverage, has for the most part made a conscious decision not to fully explore his numerous questionable statements and/or associations.

patd, Sherman was an evil instrument of the Yankee army.

The Syria and Pakistan actions are only using the rules of Military operation espoused by Barack Obama.

Come now what is the problem

Just be ready as anything that happens Barack can claim as he has been all over the map in his transition to the middle.

No Remorse later

ciabbatas and bacon with eggs

Now how is that egg cooked? Scrambled, fried, boiled or poached?

Obama cannot win

but

McCain can lose

ciabbatas and bacon with eggs

Now how is that egg cooked? Scrambled, fried, boiled or poached?

Posted by: Anselm | October 27, 2008 7:36 AM

The ciabbta was a no go.
I had eggs with bacon - scrambled. Just two slices of bread and a phenomenal salad with artichokes... Sometimes the dutch know how to cook (not very often though)

LOL @ Anselm...... for your 7:10 am post.....

Another note:
Can someone tell me why the hateful Alex Castellanos is still a panel member on CNN? I watched CNN this past week, I had to...... :-). And saw that pudit there yet again...was a bit amazed to say the least!

Can't comment on Alex Castellanos, as the only time I even watch CNN is to see if Larry King has anyone of interest. I love FOX and although they get beat-up here, they have more Democrat viewers than MSNBC's total viewership.

I'm gonna write in Mike Singletary, the 49'ers new coach!

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfYhYft8dwI

The biggest fallacy in Republican thought on the Wright issue is that 'Obama sat there for 20-odd years of listening to Wright spew his hate.'

Repubs should really attend a Black church or two. This logic would fall by the wayside. I know that by now that an army of researchers have gone back and looked at every published sermon, and they've found approximately four controversial ones............ That's a very, very low percentage.

More importantly, there is no evidence to suggest that Obama actually was present during the sermons.

Last night 60 Minutes, they aired the story on the multi-trillion dollar unregulated market called, credit default swaps. Which is another reason for this financial crisis we find ourselves in. I just assumed this practice started under Bush, but learned it started under the Clinton administration with the blessing of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.

http://tinyurl.com/creditswaps

OSH

Breakfast

A Hippie scramble

cook 1/2 onion, 1/2 cup or so of your favorite mushroom
1/2 cup firm tofu cut into small cubes or meat of your choice
when onions are clear and tofu is warmed add one cup of cooked brown rice and cook until warm

crack 6 eggs and put into a mixing bowl add 1/3 cup of condensed milk. whisk until eggs and milk are mixed. add salt and black pepper.
Stir in the warm rice mixture with eggs.

Spoon the egg mixture into your egg skillet and cook as you would any scrambled eggs.

Ham and sausage are great substitutes in this.

You can also add bell peppers of any or all colors The red yellow and green make for a very eye catching meal. Or add a hand full of spinach.

Jack

Perhaps I'm missing something but it seems like McCain has been given the free pass. Judgment? Seeking out the endorsement of anti-semetic preachers is NOT good judgment. But that story is a blink of an eye compared to the obsession with Wright whose "crime" was to say something bad about America and back it up with the bible. You can bet that if Wright had talked about witchcraft it would be all over for Obama - but it's ok for Palin, right? You can bet that (if they were older) if one of Obama's daughter's got pregnant out of wedlock, if would be over for Obama - but it's ok for Palin. You can bet that if Obama consistently mixed up Sunni and Shia if would be all over for Obama - but it's ok for McCain.

How can McCain back the socialist bank bailout and then call Obama a socialist? Oh. Yeah. Because THAT form of socialism is "saving the economy".

I honestly don't understand the blinders people put on to claim that the media is crucifying McCain and giving Obama a free pass. It's backwards, folks.

And you're posting recipes?? WTF??

I doubt McCain wants to labeled a racist for the remainder of his career.

Using Wright's own words, I would say Wright is the racist. If one bet on you can't be Black and a racist, as the great Warner Wolf would say," You lose".

As I said yesterday, this election is all about opinions. See what I mean?

"I don't care if you think I'm racist. I just want you to think I'm thin." - Sarah Silverman

But Corey, only my opinions are based in reality, all the rest of you live in some strange fantasy world. Some stranger than others btw.
Jack

We usually don't start getting feisty around here until about 10:00 a.m.

Well, it would make things a lot easier if people didn't constantly turn me off to their candidate of choice.

And you're posting recipes?? WTF??

Just because it is the end of the world, there is no reason you can't eat well.

And remember all Gods children get grumpy if the don't eat. Some of us get grumpier than that.

Jack

I cannot agree. Will not agree. Except about the food part.

So , Corey what is your scedual these days are you up early heading out , or up late getting ready for bed?

Jack

See - "Wright is racist" completely avoids the point. McCain actively courted people with the same types of views you condemn Wright for having and yet it's not a problem for you? Why? If McCain hadn't vetted Hagee - doesn't that show a lack of judgment? If he DID vet Hagee and STILL asked for his endorsement - doesn't that show a lack of judgment?

This is the kind of blinder I'm talking about. McCain gets a free pass for the same behavior. He dumped Hagee and the storm passed. Obama (stupidly bowing to pressure) dumps Wright and it's still considered an actively issue.

It's mind-boggling - esp. given that the other examples I brought up fell by the wayside to focus (again) on Wright.

mornin' all.

Ping, I think that in your return to party politics, you left part of your reasoning behind. Obama can't win, McCain can only lose? McCain is too far behind in too many states to make any such statement. It's the guy who's ahead who can lose, not the guy who's desperately trying to gain enough traction in two states where he's down by 5-13 points, depending on the poll, and both of which he has to win to have a prayer of making it a close contest in the EC. I'd be thiniking about 2012 about now.

Now really, has McCain decided at this late date to try and salvage some of his above the fray reputation? Perhaps sticking with the truth about his and his opponents' respective positions on the issues might be a good start. Clinging to that 8-10% of the time that he'sdiffered with Bush is less than convincing. He may not be Bush, but he ain't far from it.

And please Obama campaign and supporters, enough about the Palin wardrobe costs - it's had its effect- drop it and get on with talking economics.

Back on 3rd shift. Now working 11pm to 7am. We'll see what happens Chrysler is making major cuts at the Jeep plant in Toledo. That's where my new line ships parts to. Things could slow down again.

Ya know the good thing about spell check is you can throw just about any close spelling up there and it will find the right word. The bad thing is sometimes you forget to use it.
LOL

Jack

DEV,
the teaching was terrible.... The students are 5 to 6 years younger then me, and I was barely able to get done what I prepared.
There only interest was the USA and my views on the election. Who I was for, and what was the trigger of the financial crisis. When I said that BO wasn´t my choice, everyones jaw dropped.....
No one was interested in the goals and objectives of hedgef unds... LOL.... :-)
Come to think of it...It was okay....

Benny,
"Repubs should really attend a Black church or two."

I couldn't agree with you more. Oh come to think of it I do.

"More importantly, there is no evidence to suggest that Obama actually was present during the sermons."

According to whom, Obama? One thing about Black churches, the message of the sermon doesn't end that day with the congregation. So for Obama not to know the content of the sermon, even if he hadn't attend that, is very questionable.

You're not running for any office, Jack. Don't be expecting any campaign ads about your poor spelling. LOL!

You can bet that (if they were older) if one of Obama's daughter's got pregnant out of wedlock, if would be over for Obama - but it's ok for Palin. You can bet that if Obama consistently mixed up Sunni and Shia if would be all over for Obama - but it's ok for McCain.

Posted by: Paul | October 27, 2008 8:37 AM

Hey Paul, sorry but I don´t buy this for a split sec.....
BO could get away with everything. Come on guys, let us be honest.....
They even gave Palin a hard time with this. Shall I go back and recycle all the news stories and the "NEWS" coverage that she got from it. All the tablods?
Nah......If that is what you call a free pass, I am desperate to kow how you call the BO lovefest....

something un-american about a recipe here and there?
I dont get it.

All free passes end on November 4th.

"There only interest was the USA and my views on the election."

That was a good start Jason. At least you got their attention. And you gave them a few surprises. There's plenty of time to get to the 'hedge funds', right? Did you enjoy it?

Paul, in the post camcorder era when all the candidates (except Biden - and who even knows who his preachers have been?) have gone to churches with nutty pastors, no one wants to run the risk of trying to use the issue.

Oh, and welcome aboard (and try the recipes that appeal to you).

"Just because it is the end of the world, there is no reason you can't eat well."

LOL Jack. I agree. And I always get grumpy when I'm hungry.
I love eating, but I really don't like to cook (anymore).
Luckily, that's not a problem, since others like to cook (for money). :)

"if calling him a communist isn't working..."

Best. Comment. Ever.

Yup. It's all about the smear. As usual. What kind of an idiot was I to believe that McCain would run an honest campaign. "Ohhh, if only he'd bowed to my will and done town halls with me I wouldn't have had to have gone down this road. But what do you expect from someone who pals around with terrorists?"

:-|

anyone have a recipe for Baked Alaska?

More importantly, there is no evidence to suggest that Obama actually was present during the sermons.

Posted by: Benny | October 27, 2008 8:31 AM

He married Barrack and Michelle
He brought their children to faith
I don´t know about you, but when we got baptized and when my parents got married the priest came home and had long discussions about faith and the church...I suspect that , seen as he was their priest, they at least had one discussion on where the guy stood....

And if they didn´t know, they have some explaining to do about their judgement...

But nevertheless, this is an old topic....... Johnny Mac shouldn´t recycle this topic, it is old and tired. The media and the public had their chance to weigh in and (hopefully) they did.....

"The only one who would be benefit by McCain bringing up Wright would be pundits who would have something to cluck about. "

True. And they'd use it to their own end.

McCain does NOT want anyone to get started on right wing preachers and his association with them.........

How did this get overlooked?

http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews\Music\20081026\Obit-Merl-Saunders.xml&cat=entertainment&subcat=music&pageid=1

You'll have to ask Sarah for that one Sturge.

Paul, and then there are the dead enders like Anselm.

Jason - not a lot of students have homes that could be foreclosed or 401k's (or whatever their equivalent is over there), to say nothing of no real world experience with economic malaise, so despite a world economy that is sliding quickly into the muck, I imagine US politics is interesting to them by comparison.

Corey

It is almost time for halloween, wonder if it is time to bring the skeletons out of the closet.

Waylon Jennings - I`ve Always Been Crazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ecE1UML1q8

Jack

How is Anselm a dead ender Pogo?

anyone have a recipe for Baked Alaska?

Posted by: sturgeone | October 27, 2008 9:07 AM

No,
but am dying to know....... LOL

damn.......all I could find is Half-baked Alaska...........I'll have to look in deep google........

Jason - not a lot of students have homes that could be foreclosed or 401k's (or whatever their equivalent is over there), to say nothing of no real world experience with economic malaise, so despite a world economy that is sliding quickly into the muck, I imagine US politics is interesting to them by comparison.

Posted by: pogo | October 27, 2008 9:11 AM

True Pogo, and they showed true interest in the way the markets collapsed and what the difference would be bewteen a Mc Cain presidency and an Obama presidency... I couldnt tell them that in much detial, cause frankly I don´t even know...But they showed interest.
Moreover seen as the housing prices DROPPED for the 1st time in 18 years in Holland last month, alarm bells are going off....

btw, Anselm, thanks for the Saunders link. Sad news. Incidentally (and tangentially), Little Pogo & I were watching VH1Classic'sHistory of Rock & Roll - the episode on the late 60s, and Garcia was featured prominently in it. LP is a budding lead guitarist , so he knows of Garcia, but being of the Joe Satriani, Paul Gilbert, Yngwie Malmsteen ilk, he's not a fan of the Dead.

Sturge

No baked alaska.
But I've got a great one for moose

Jack

"McCain does NOT want anyone to get started on right wing preachers and his association with them.."

I'll take that bet any day. Along with the Democrats 527 spot showing McCain's cancer oozing from the side of his face. Just god awful disgraceful, but what is one to expect from those who demean females as a form of entertainment and continue to try to make slaves of the less fortunate among us.

The Democrats would be wise to watch the Chef Jeff Project. They would see that the hand-up is approach is far superior to the failed method of giving handouts.

He's still talking about preachers, chloe. And in fairness, others are too. I only mean it in that sense.

Jason, they probably are paying attention to falling housing prices - as an opportunity to buy one, perhaps? Start mentioning the fact that they will have an exam -their interest in the subjects you''re trying to teach should awaken soon enough.

The World That Awaits
Richard N. Haass
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Nov 3, 2008

"Let me close where I began. This is a sobering moment in American history. You begin with a good deal of popular support, but mandates must be replenished. I suggest you think of the Oval Office as a classroom, and explain to the American people what we need to accomplish and what it will require. Some 21st-century version of the fireside chat is called for. My reading of things is that the American people are ready to be leveled with. Once the campaign is over, let the leveling begin."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/165648/output/print

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164401

Thanks Pogo.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164400

Reencarnation is real,
Ronald Reagan has returned as a gay black man.

Hey, dude, it is the 21st century, time to catch up with what is going on in the real world.

Jack

"No baked alaska.
But I've got a great one for moose"

jack, usta know some fried and stewed moose; but never a baked one.... well, half-baked? yeah now that i think of it quite a few. anyone for a bpoe pie?

ok, Ill bite.

Whats "bpoe pie"

Jack

benevolent and protectective order of the ELKS

"It is now the hour of eleven"

Yes, Anselm, that hand up not handout message is resonating loudly with the voters in the context of Bush's corporate handouts. Please help make that a message of the McCain campaign if you have any influence. You know, when after McCain symbolically (only) suspended his campaign and rode into town, guns drawn, to fix the failing bank bailout, he became a full fledged member of the gang who couldn't shoot straight, and now that the mega banks are benefitting from the bailout's largess by buying up failing banks instead of loaning money to them (like the bailout was intended), McCain doesn't seem to have much to say about the economy other than mischaracterizing Obama's tax plan.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164336

McCain has a streak of decency. Let him have the points for not dredging up no political issues. I believe Ayers was out of line as well, but at least it was political and didn't touch Obama's family in the way that attendance by wife and child would have.

Ping may fall over, but I agree that the financial argument is the most moral of the possible attacks.

While I don't agree with the premise or charges of "socialism", at least it is a political argument and I have totally had it with these 527 garbage producers and their even more ignorant conspiracy clown compatriots.

Dog, thanks for the Kant obit. He was associated with some of my faves aside from the Dead (SRV, Hot Tuna).

""if calling him a communist isn't working..."

Best. Comment. Ever."

What political rock have you been living under, Paul. Republicans have been calling Democrats pinko commies for DECADES.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164409

Pogo
Who would a thunk it, I mean I would have never thought of that in a million years,
Banks behaving as banks.
;-0

But you would have thought some one at the fed would have, as using bank greed is the way they manipulate the money supply.

Jack

"Last night 60 Minutes, they aired the story on the multi-trillion dollar unregulated market called, credit default swaps."

anselm, saw that too... did you catch any of the names of those they said made a bundle since and because of the meltdown? saw some pix but didn't get the names.

btw, are you named for the saint? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_of_Canterbury

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164340

Anselm, You finally came up with something with which I totally agreed. Blue, Patsi and I along with several others were the "Clintonistas" here complete with our high flying brooms and witchy ways. She would have been a great president. She still is a great senator and Obama is lucky to have her support and advice.

I've become content with the change of the generations in the White House and do sincerely believe that Obama is growing into the job.

Anselm, glad to see you recognize that a hole dug in 8 years can't be filled back in in 2. Let's see if that's the message you are posting in 2 years - or whether it morphs into a failure on Obama's and the Dem Congress' part. I do agree that those who think Obama can reverse the collision course the good ship USA has been set on quickly had better think again,and grow patience. The electorate has been way too patient - to say nothing of stupidly gullible- with Bush and the Republican congress who did his every whim for his firstsix years in office; they probably sholdn't judge Obama's successes or failures any differently. Those 2010 midterms will be interesting to watch.

The Palin witchcraft videos are really funny, if not scary. I don't think the Republicans want to open up that can of worms.
And to be fair, I think all of these pastors are a minor distraction, like the social issues of McCain's divorce. The viewers seem to have reached the opinion that the economy and Iraq are the main issues. Who knew that the American people would have such good judgment.

Jack, apparently that possibility escaped Paulson.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164358

Paul, If you stick around, you'll get used to is. We post recipes, play songs for each other, tell jokes, and chat about politics around the country store stove run by Mr. Crawford.

Most of the times, the neighborhood stays peaceful even among the denizens that don't like each other so much ... grouchyness is permitted but public manners are usually observed.

Good morning all!
Jack, thanks for the new recipe! There are going to be more egg dinners in my future for sure.
Am starting a file of Trailmix recipes, nothing wrong with throwing recipes in the mix. The posters here are from all over the country and various backgrounds and with economy as it is there's less money for eating out. Besides how many more times can we reiterate who our candidate is and why. It is reminiscent of groundhog day.

Jack- Did you get the tsp. of baking powder. Sorry I initially left that out.

Good morning Jamie, Would love to visit your blog! Would you post it please? Will get that recipe to you by the end of the day. Time to make the chocolates!

Basic Baked Alaska

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Baked-Alaska-2/Detail.aspx

Anselm,
I agree that they'll be looking for instant successes. Actually, since congress controls the budget OB will be dealing with a dem budget. Let's see what he does with it.

More Waylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnEtRUcKGwc

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Anselm

This one always sounds great in Republican speeches to the crowd except that every time a newly elected GOP looks into it, they find out that the "hand up" is way, way more expensive than the "hand out" in the short term. Since all they have is "the short term" before the next election and don't want to be seen as a spend thrift, the status quo remains status.

Happy Belated Birthday (yesterday) to Senator Hillary Clinton.

I assume some of you caught McCain's MTP appearance yesterday - he obviously saw Brokkaw and his facts as the enemy. I was amazed (why, I'll never know) that McCain didn't try and use the appearnce as an opportunity to lay out his positions and contrast them with Obama's - you know, act as if you can listen and respond thoughtfully - instead of cutting Tom's questions off and belching out talking points. I almost spit my coffee up when he tried to explain policy differences between him and Palin as being a result of them both being mavericks.

Chloe,
I agree that some direct dialogue would be nice but let's look at the facts. BO is a politician/lawyer. Not a working lawyer either, an academic. None of those is based on clarity but instead a haven for the verbose, intellectualized, conceptual, disguised......in other words....no substance.....nothing to grab on to.

OSH

All the links to blogs that belong to the trailmixers are on the left hand side of the site here. For everyone else just look under "Links" and click on "blogroll". Everybody who has given the info to Craig is there.

Some have stopped posting, but many of them are still active and very good. Mine is Durward Discussion

http://jdurward.blogspot.com

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Pogo,

McCain has never been the brightest bulb in the points of light known as Congress. He is a decent man, but his elections have always been talking points or opposition punchlines and a jovial nature of the sociable man telling joikes. He married money so he didn't actually have to work for a living. Expecting him to have ideas other than the boilerplate is pushing him outside his comfort area.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164436

She strings those talking points together well. Never says anything, but it sounds good. The "Joe Mama" line was cute. I wonder if she wrote it or someone on staff.

.

Monday 538 numbers

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

351 Obama halfway between ET and Gilbert

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164432

Good advice Sheila, and I've already VOTED.

Obama/Biden all the way baby !!

Let the repugs eat cake !

"From her first event in historic Leesburg through Fredericksburg and Salem in the conservative southwestern part of the state, Palin is trying to make McCain's closing argument that electing Obama would give Democrats control of the White House and Congress when checks and balances are most needed.

"It's a tough sell for Republicans eight days out from the Nov. 4 election. "

RFLMFAO - ya think? How's this argument go - not having republicans serve as the checks and balances that were lacking for 6 of the last 8 years, and that led us to this point is too risky while we try to correct the problems that not having democrats serve as the checks and balances that were lacking for 6 of the last 8 years led to...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Talk about asking voters for the blind suspension of disbelief.

ET,
I thought you said that you don't pay US taxes anymore?

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

October is the new November
Almost half of America will vote before 11/4
Why wait in line on November 4 when you can stand in line today?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164437

jamie, I know. But sometimes pointing out the obvious can be fun.

Actually, 3 of the last 7 polls in Virginia are double digit - RCP average is 7.7%

Anselm's proclamation that the mainstream media is "far left" belies the truth. In fact, there is rarely true left-wing columnists in the MSM. The American populace seems to think that the two capitalist parties, The Dems and Repugs are the furthest politics travel on the spectrum and the MSM generally exists only within that said spectrum.

More on the myth of the "liberal biased media"

http://media.eriposte.com/myth.htm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164346

Ping's comment makes no sense.

While patiently waiting for my DHL package to arrive I found this story on media bias. Hard to believe but here it is in full living black ink.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1

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Agreed. As I was totally in the tank for Hillary, I think I was also a "Clintonista". For a while I was even considering voting for McInsane but then I decided that only "insane" one in this situation would be me, voting against my rights and interests. I still question the real reasons why Barack Obama snubbed Hillary vis-a-vis the VP running mate slot. However, I have become more impressed over time with his demeanor, his knowledge, his ability to respond and his desire to make a better world for us all. There are things that have been at least 8 years missing in the Executive Branch.

McCain / Whitey Tape
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"None of my three main sources on who told me about the existence of a video recording of Michelle Obama making disparaging comments about white folks have backed off. Two of these sources are Democrats and are journalists.

My Republican friend tells me that the McCain campaign intervened and requested the tape not be used."

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/21/whitey-tape-api-phil-berg-and-andy-martin/
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"whitey tape" -- the supposed campaign-killer video, supposedly in GOP hands, which supposedly captures Michelle Obama using racist language.

... i asked him if the tape was real.here is what larry replied to me [michael brooks from media matters was the primary source and sy hersh was the confirmation with a additional confirmation from a unamed cia buddy.

I was originally told that Johnson said that he learned of the matter directly from David Brock, the head of Media Matters. ... I suspect that Brock learned from Brooks."

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/10/whitey-tape-sources-follow-up.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164452

Michael S. Malone? A former editor of FORBES and the Wall Street Journal??? You are taking this person as an authority on the MSM???

ROTFLMFAO... hehehehe 'chortle chortle... SNORT!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164445

I believe I said that in comparison to what Europeans pay, US citizens don't know what really "paying taxes" means.

What is the point of your comment?

Yes, Michael Malione is certainly an unbiased commentator.

ET,
I didn't think that you were going to actually vote here since you weren't paying taxes here anymore. That's all.

There are those who share the same nationally, race, heritage, sexuality preference as you, yet they use the same slurs and vulgar terms in defining you as the bigots they so vehemently claim to detest. I believe this is an odd thing to do, and wonder if they don't suffer from some sort of self loathing of their own kind. An example of this can be seen in the movie, "A Soldier Story"

If engaged in a battle it would be prudent to keep such individuals to the front of you, and not let them fall to your rear. To do otherwise, and you may find yourself surrounded.

Gordo, hiding behind a McCain campaign request that an issue not be published lest the publisher risk repudiation by the campaign to explain the lack of production of the promised bombshell is weak even for your vapid sources.

Still waiting, almost lunch, no DHL.

In the meantime, ref" GORDO. There might be something to this Michelle Obama remark. And I only say that because of all people Bob Beckel alluded to it during the primaries,and he thought it could prove very troubling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zmdhoGKdrk&feature=related

jax, I never knew that paying taxes was a requirement to vote. I thought it was a matter of citizenship?

Obama, in 2001 Interview, Lamented Failure of Civil Rights Movement to Redistribute Wealth
In a radio interview in 2001, Barack Obama said the civil rights movement failed when it became so dependent on the Supreme Court that it never got around to working toward redistributing income.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments-lack-supreme-court-ruling-redistributing-wealth/

"vis-a-vis" means "face to face"

michael,

Toot, toot,

I posted that story at 7:30, but I am glad I'm not the only one who has seen it. Obama is a true FLLL. Keep posting

Palin going "Rouge" -

John should dart her from a helicopter, and put some sort of tracking collar on her.

Why is my previous comment held and being reviewed by the blog owner?

Jason, did you have more than 2 links, because if you did that would be the reason.

pogo -------------

The Repubs have the MO video -- I don't. I am not a defender of McCain/Palin - just against SoetorObama. You tell me why the Repubs are being so soft on SoetorObama. Yesterday, I posted that maybe they are not trying to win. Where were the tough 527 ads?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccains-exit-interviews.html#comment-164065

If I controlled the "whitey" video -- it would be used. If MO said what has been reported, the American people need to be told the TRUTH about her.

Jason,

No comments are held unless they contain more than three links and that is automatic. Craig doesn't check there often, so limit the number of links in each message to two.

If your message didn't have links, then it was a hiccup in the system and you need to resubmit.

ET,
It's definitely not a requirement. If paying taxes were a requirement to vote in the US we'd be having totally different candiates and discussions. I guess it's just a moral issue with me.....The way we're headed there will be a majority voting block of non-tax payers dictating policy to the minority that do. Kind of reverse slavery....it'll be interesting

Champ ... you are correct. My bad... My French is horrendous. Thanks for the info !

"Republican insiders" . . .ROFLAMO

Well ya know, they can't have BOTH Rev. Wright AND Muslim, now can they??

tt

Some other "commies" supporting Obama -

The Ft. Worth Star Telegram

The Financial Times

Paul Volcker

Warren Buffet

That's some real Bolsheviks alright.

And Jax, if we wanted the poor or underprivileged to actually have the opportunity to vote, elections would be held on non-work days, or at least more than one day to give the people a chance to cast their ballot.

Problem is Jax, you view this issue in the context of the USA only. The banks here are failing because of the sub-prime and investments in bad American financial institutions such as Bear Sterns. Another bank in Belgium had to be given billions to stay afloat... KBC. So my point is, even if I didn't pay taxes because I live now in Europe, the tax and spending polices of the USA effects the rest of the world...

Time to go...

ps... anyone else just wishing this damn election was over? It's maddening ... :-)

"... Not a working lawyer either, an academic. None of those is based on clarity but instead a haven for the verbose, intellectualized, conceptual, disguised......in other words....no substance.....nothing to grab on to."

jax, sounds like you had some of the same profs as i did. squirrely bunch of critters. but then there are a lot of nuts in law school for them to chew on.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164479

me three !!!!

Gordo- Read your post last night. So what is the reason for the Mercier Island visit?

Sad development:

CNN reports that an SUV connected to Jennifer Hudson's missing nephew, Julian King, has been found, with additional unconfirmed reports that a child’s body was inside. The 7-year-old has been missing since Friday, when Hudson's mother and brother were found murdered in their home. Police have an unnamed suspect in custody who is believed to be Hudson’s brother-in-law.

Don't know about alot of atates but we have 2 weeks of early voting here in TX. It's great ....not long lines but in Houston alone first week over 300K voted. I don't know if other states do this but I think it's a great idea. Not alot of excuses not to vote when you have 11 days to get it done.

This is fun -

"In addition to the Colorado and Virginia changes, we have moved McCain’s home state of Arizona from Likely McCain to Lean McCain, a tip to the reality that Arizona, without McCain on the ticket, would have been a contested battleground. A new poll conducted by a Democratic group found McCain with just a four-point lead over Obama in the state, 48%-44%. This comes on the heels of private polls we have seen that show the presidential contest to be tight in Arizona. In addition, McCain's collapse in Hispanic support is contributing to this downturn here as well."

Philosophical discovery of the day:

It is impossible to be in a bad mood with a kitten on your head.

"The LA Times is sitting on a story about Obama at a 2003 Chicago event honoring Palestinian Rashid Khalidi, at which Obama was present while rampant anti-Semetic, anti-Israel hate was spewed.

Obama did nothing to stop it — and instead joined in the praise heaped upon Khalidi.

The LA Times shut the story down and refused to release the tape, because it would obviously hurt Obama with Jewish voters and all Americans who understand the importance of our historic and strategic friendship with Israel."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/obamas-socialist-audiotape-should-pressure-the-la-times-to-release-the-tape-they-are-holding-of-obama-at-the-2003-rashid-khalidi-event-in-chicago/

JACKSON, Miss. -- A sign marking the site where Emmett Till's battered body was pulled from a river in 1955 has been ripped down by vandals, authorities said. ..............

Till, who was from Chicago, had come to Mississippi in August 1955 to visit his uncle. J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant, the husband of the woman Till whistled at, snatched Till from his bed one night at the family's home.

The 14-year-old's body was found in the river three days later, a cotton gin fan was tied around his neck with barbed wire. His left eye was missing, as were most of his teeth; his nose was crushed, and there was a hole in his right temple.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_till_memorial.html

Yup,
it had three links....
Didn´t know it wasn´t allowed.

The links were three youtube videos from: Madonna (what it feels like for a girl); Ciara (Like a boy) and Beyone (If I were a boy)

My question was: Should Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin do a cover fo those three songs?
This was not originally my question, but a legitimate question on a popular radio station here in Amsterdam.... It got me thinking also.
From the respondents 66% said: yes. They feel as if they are(were) treated unfairly by the media.....

Im out y´all. Going home and prepare a good dinner.
Stay civil......

http://cantonrep.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=623085&CategoryID=

Canton Ohio gets ready for Obama visit.

Patd,
I had some of them. Complete wastes of oxygen but they endure in academia. If a kid runs the gauntlet of the normal american college experience and escapes with any sense whatsoever it is a complete miracle...laughs....that's why it takes so long to train one when they hit the workforce. You should see my last years new hires.......OMG

Today officially begins Bush's socialist reign with the first government infusion of money to big banking.

The Republicans are SPREADING THE WEALTH to the rich.

tt

ps... anyone else just wishing this damn election was over? It's maddening ... :-)

ETom.....
YES!!!!!

I've become totally bored with it all...... boredom is my enemy.....

Patsi..... very sad news about the little boy.....

Page 14 of the Dallas Morning News the day Kennedy was shot entitled "Welcome Mr. Kennedy " bought by "The American Fact Finding Committee"
The questions and their fevered words from the wingers haven't changed much over the years.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce1031.jpg

Click to enlarge

Since McCain's economic message (I won't tax you and he will) doesn't work, apparently Kristol thinks the Commander in Chief in time of war approach (that McCain has tried only to see it fall flat as voters have tired of and become skeptical of Iraq and the war on terror) will work

"The heart of that case has to be this: reminding voters that when they elect a president, they’re not just electing a super-Treasury secretary or a higher-level head of Health and Human Services. They’re electing a commander in chief in time of war."

Haven't we heard this before?

A flyer from Dallas that morning ...... Kennedy was "Wanted for Treason"

http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkadtreason.jpg

Patsi-----damn i just flunked my own joe the plumber test.

i let urine build for a week to test my theory, and the results are

yes it can be done---no it does not stain----yes it does save on water, but it doesn't feel right doing it,,,,,probably cos some feminist's( my 4 sisters) made me flush the toilet when i was done, i started laughing about this because after the 2nd flush the toilet started leaking from the bottom ( i thought that will learn me for being a smart ass) it leaked from the bottom juuuuust a little before,and i should have changed the donut,,done now and i will wash my hands like they made me do,,,,,don't know why but i had to tell you,,,,i could have posted a recipe for a good am attitude but i was afraid of getting scolded by Paul's 8;37 again ;-)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164499

Gordo's parents must have been members.

Pogo -
Andrew Sullivan :
The Kristol-Palin Pincer

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-kristol-p-1.html

Gordo, it doesn't matter to me whether you're for McCain, against Obama, or both. You have promised time and again disclosures that would derail the Obama candidacy. The fact that the sources of those disclosures, now not appearing to be forthcoming, are republican-aligned sources that won't put them forward because they are responsive to McCain's campaign wishes is a problem impacting the credibility of your claims. Considering that you have relied on Berg in your dogged attempt to prove that Obama is not constitutionally qualified to serve as president, but have offered no proof of the same that passes even the giggle test (but rather have called on Obama to dispute your unfounded claims) doesn't lend a lot of credence to your claims. I just want to see the things that underlie those claims.

Hey Gordo T -85

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164485

I didn't know people had to have a reason to visit Mercer Island. I mean if it was LOVE CANAL... that would be one thing. Mercer Island is a nice part of Seattle suburbs.

Can someone please explain to me how a father or mother can kill his/her own children? This is madness... re family Jennifer Hudson

Paul----thats my name also

I think the reason that i (maybe some others) get away from the all the time politics is that Obama is already in the white hse, i agree with the comments that he will be working under the bush's failed mess,,the first 2years,,,there if always a but,,,and that is if the senate and congress increase their #'s sufficiantlly to pass a huge mandate that he will be given by the voters---he should do this as if he had only one term to pass just a cpl of his promises???if he has this large mandate and does not attempt to keep them, i hope
he does

Jamie -
I'm waiting for him to to demand why Obama wants to scrap the Monroe Doctrine in favor of the "Spirit of Moscow".

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164508

Pogo, the enablers notwithstanding, almost no one here is taking anything GORDO is posting here seriously. So many conspiracies, so many "sources" so little proof or follow through... He should be ashamed and we shouldn't even engage him.

Andrew Sullivan -- Now THERE'S somebody to trust when blogging about women....a sexist conservative, now trying to suck up to liberals....

Anon,
Kristol has bigger errors than Palin that he's ignored - she's just his latest.

ET, I know - neither do I. I'm doing to Gordo what he's trying to do to Obama.

From the Treason Flier Nov. 22, 1963 -

#7 He has been caught in fantastic LIES to the American people
( including personal ones like his previous marriage, and divorce.)

Patsi, even sexist conservative trying to suck up to liberals can get an observation right from time to time - especially when they see Kristol's idiocy as, well, idiocy (of course, I've probably overstated Sullivan's intent). I just hope he's right that Kristol and Palin rise or fall together - and that they fall.

Sullivan just blows with the prevailing wind, Pogo.

Anyone who voted for Cynthia McKenney, and then posted online doesn't have much "Web Cred" either.

SolarCrete
Just getting back with you. This is from yesterday.

"fu---k"?
Is that a new word? Seems like you have 2 extra --?

I dislike words that have been truncated, as your mind still hears the words, so why not write the words out, or maybe better yet not write them at all, use some other form of verbiage to get your point across. Is it possible that people who truncate words believe it is less offensive, more acceptable?

Survey USA Va _
Obama by 9

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7bcdca4d-f6ea-4515-9928-119c5590638e

"Anyone who voted for Cynthia McKenney"

But could at least spell her name....

pogo ----------------------

I don't control what the Repubs decide to use against SoetorObama. The Rev Wright video exists - they have not used it. If they will not use the Rev, then why expect the MO "whitey" video -- it would be far more "explosive".

If you knew more about the COLB/BC issue, you would understand that Berg got into this in late August. The COLB/BC story heated up in early June after a NRO column.

This is not about Berg, but you and others try to make the story Philip Berg.

SoetorObama is using the legal system to keep his "hidden" past a secret - fact.

If he had documents that proved he was Constitutionally eligiible for the office of POTUS, he would make them public - fact.

SoetorObama is either a "naturalized" citizen or an "illegal" who has probably been using a name (BHO) that is not his legal name for about 30 years.

Kristol: Palin "Should Do 'FOX News Sunday' And Every Show"

""I'm told she would be happy to do a TV show, if she hasn't gotten authorization," said Kristol. "I hope she breaks free this week. She should do 'Fox New Sunday' and every show, as far as I'm concerned, next Sunday."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/kristol_palin_should_do_fox_news_sunday_and_every_show_98602.asp

I wish she would, I want a follow-up on her "Freedom Flies" remark.

Patsi tell google -

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Cynthia+McKenney&spell=1

Gordo,
I suspect that once the election is over a large amount
of "undiscovered info" will come to light. The media will have done it's job by keeping it under raps until after the election but.....there are books to sell and
ratings to consider....the juicy stories are there.....they'll come out....too late to save us but these next few years will be more entertaining than the 90's were

Here ya go -

i

Stick it where ever it fits.

ET- You don't have to engage Gordo if YOU don't want to, but please don't assume to speak for the community. I am not being rude or attacking I simply asked him a question. Do we truly want conversation governed? And if so perhaps we shouldn't tolerate accusations of racism, violent comments and even conspiracy to commit murder .

It is very clear how many of you feel about Gordo's posts. Because of that I thought I should remind you all that he posted the ACORN problems months before they appeared in the MSM and courts.

TIPP: Obama 46.5%, McCain 43.3%, Not Sure 10.1%...

http://ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309894450977173

OSH,
Careful....I've noticed that pragmatic observations are interpreted as dissent......that's not allowed

Another Commie for Obama -

Holy Crap!! NASCAR'S Junior Johnson comes out for Obama

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/27/122837/22/139/643632

Holy Cow!!!! That was some speech!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164370

Pogo,

I had my fun with it and even suggested that as long as the M/P ticket keeps yakking about it, the better for Obama. But the funny thing is, shes keeps talking about it herself. It's all part of the riff between the top campaign staff and her. She apparently feels she has more vindication due her. She obviously looking past this election. Let her have the rope.

Gordo - again - you are the person who has been promising the bombshell here. Why should I believe anything you've asserted has any more substance than those empty promises?

And Berg is the plaintiff/lawyer who supposedly has the goods on Obama. FACT - if Obama's eligibility to serve constitutionally at issue ither than by speculation and innuendo, he might produce the documents to rebut the challenge IF THE LAWSUIT PROCEEDED THAT FAR. Once an issue becomes a matter of litigation, disclosure of documents to prove or defend is a matter of litigation tactics. Now tell me this - if this lawsuit is such that Berg won't comment on it because it is a matter in litigation (as he has asserted), how is this a search for the truth about Obama for the purpose of disqualifying him for the office?

If Berg had documents that proved Obama was Constitutionally ineligiible for the office of POTUS, he would make them public - fact.

If anyone had documents proving that Obama is either a "naturalized" citizen or an "illegal" who has probably been using a name (BHO) that is not his legal name for about 30 years, they would make them public - fact.

Gordo, in poker parlance, you got nothing, so you're bluffing. I call.

"....almost no one here is taking anything GORDO is posting here seriously." [et]

"....he posted the ACORN problems months before they appeared in the MSM and courts." [oldsea]

touche,et?

Sarah Palin's latest swat at science

Fruit fly research is helping a booming new food industry in America -- not that the vice-presidential candidate is aware of it.

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/10/27/sarah_palin_fruit_flies/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164535

Yeah oldsea, GORDO's a visionary. And why do you always call ME on the stuff and say nary a word to POGO or any other of the majority of people here who thinks GORDO is all filler with no meat?

Anslem

SolarCrete
Just getting back with you. This is from yesterday.

"fu---k"?
Is that a new word? Seems like you have 2 extra --?

I dislike words that have been truncated, as your mind still hears the words, so why not write the words out, or maybe better yet not write them at all, use some other form of verbiage to get your point across. Is it possible that people who truncate words believe it is less offensive, more acceptable?

I could not agree with you more----and i apologize for the the ill chosen words-----------I won't apologize for the general principle,,,, get them lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, liberty curtailing, Republicans out of there,now,,,,,,and i forgot when, cheney, richard peral, wolfowitz, the sales man powell at the un with his tonka war toys and all the other fleaheads that sold the iraq war to the american people,to me they are killers of the soldiers and innocents that always seem just expendable,,,,,,,,,,will you please apologize for these-----in your very calm and rational language,,,,,it wont' fuckin piss me off i promise.

Pogo,

Did you realize his (Berg) suit was tossed. No standing. lol
I think the ruling was late fri. or sat.

patd, not really. I don't think ACORN is the great conspiracy that the right wing thinks it is. When you hire people to do jobs like that, some do things they shouldn't, whether canvassing or asking people to register to vote. if they are paid by the number of registered voters, it will get very dicey to be sure, but I absolutely reject the idea that the organization was doing anything nefarious. Of course many on the right will think that as they don't want the masses to vote, much less be registered to do so.

Is surfing the Internet altering your brain?

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE49Q2YW20081027

Do we truly want conversation governed?

posted by oldseahag.

No, and you don't need to "govern" mine either....

Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-from.html

"there isn't much of a record to attack"

Who could disagree with that?

McCain hiring temp workers to canvass in Fla .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYl9Mno9rM&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/27/115456/74/189/643590

ET,
I don't know squat about ACORN. It doesn't sound like you do either. But what is it about an organization that has alot of undisclosed to funds trying to exert influence in an election that you trust. Aren't you a little bit curious about what they might be doing to our election process. Wouldn't at least a neutral stance regarding them be prudent. How do you get to " I absolutely reject the idea"?

O'Reilly Olberman: Polar Opposites of Campaign

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/742883.html

If Wright isn't mentioned in the next week it will be because Ms Palin has a few ministers of her own who have weird views, including the fellow from Kenya who is keeping her safe from witches. However, my money is on the subject coming up in a very nasty way.

thanks, anon, for article "Is surfing the Internet altering your brain?"
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE49Q2YW20081027

"always scanning for the next bit of new information which can create stress and even damage neural networks"

wonder if tm is bad for our mental health

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164543

He darn near had me chanting "Fired UP!"

Then Johnny Mac came on and told me for the umpteenth time that he was a mavierick who had been fighting for this country and had the scars to prove it. Talk about mood bummer.

ACORN and their Project vote is a non-partisan effort.

Their focus is directed at those that have been historically disenfranchised or uninvolved. It so happens most of the new non-reg voters are in areas most likely to be Democrat.

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17860&tx_irfaq_pi1[showUid]=152&tx_irfaq_pi1[back]=aW5kZXgucGhwP2lkPTE3ODYw&cHash=cd5d3ec5de

Boy, I just saw a clip of Hasslebeck and she seems really, really mean. I'm sure she's another GOP base-energizer bunny, but that's gotta turn off some folks in the middle. Why are they so freakin' mean all of the time?

Rez, I didn't see the order - but that's consistent with the taxpayer cases relied on by defendants in the briefs. Oh, well - I guess we won't see that proof we've been promised.

OK,who registers voters? ACORN or the OH (for example) Boards of Registrars? Just curious. In WV the BoR does the registering. Some voter registered under the name Mickey Mouse isn't likely to be admitted to vote unless he shows up with big ears, a big buckle and a tail. And if I commit the felony of filling out voter registration forms 45 times for a homeless guy because I'm soft hearted, chances are pretty good that even the county BoR here might notice that 45 people with my name, SSN and address are registered and cancel about 44 of them.They certainly aren't going to let 45 people under that name and SSN at that address vote - after all, aside from George Forman, how common is that repetitive name gizmo? And I think it's a remote possibility at best that other places have less sophisticated voter registration procedures than my little WV backwater. Yep, that's some big problem.

pogo ------------------

I don't control what the Repubs use. Are they hitting SoetorObama with Rev Wright? Heard a report on the radio that only about 15 % of the people know about Wright. If they won't use Wright, then very unlikely to use the MO "whitey" video.
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There is no mechanism for checking the credentials of a person runing for the office of POTUS - fact.

SoetorObama wants everyone to take his word and a photoshopped COLB image posted on three sites - fact.

He refuses to release a certified hardcopy COLB of the web COLB - fact.

He refuses to release a certified hardcopy BC - fact.

He refuses to release ANY hardcopy documents that prove he is a Constitutionally qualified for the office of POTUS - fact.

SoetorObama is using the legal system to keep his "hidden" past a secret - fact.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164572

Same old dance... and same old haul...

BORING ...

What are you going to do for recreation after 4 November? Dedicate your life to spreading more conspiracy theories about the big bad "exotic" President-elect?

the problem with some of the acorn "anomolies" is that there may be people who tho't they were registered (via acorn) and who will be turned away at the polls just because of stupid acorn typos or greed.

can you imagine the frustration and the heart break for such first time voters if/when that happens.

McCain's closing argument -

"More Cowbell !"
"More Cowbell !"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGqkabQXBk0

Obama's authenicated Birth Certificate is on the Obama "Fight the Smears" website if anyone cares to see it.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

"I gotta have more cowbell ! "

O'Reilly Olberman: Polar Opposites of Campaign

The question is who watches Olberman? Has Olberman exceeded 300,000 viewers? Is he still throwing wadded up paper at the camera? Both him and Matthews are so washed up.

"The LA Times is refusing to release a video of the Jew hating event Obama hosted with pal and infamous Jew hater Rashid Khalidi, ...

A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/demand-the-la-t.html

"anomalies"

takes one to know one, just can't spell it

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164574

Well that is a good point, but if the various states didn't make it so difficult for people to register to vote, things like Acorn wouldn't need to exist... IMHO

O'Reilly Olberman: Polar Opposites of Campaign

The question is who watches O'Reilly? Has O'Reilly exceeded 300,000 viewers? Is he still rudely insisting he is right when he is wrong? Both him and Hannity are so washed up.

Anselm-

Their ratings are the best they've ever had. Oberman had 830,000 in the 25-54 demo last Thrusday.

Pogo

About the banks buying banks. I was listening to npr on the way to the job site. It turns out it is a deliberate policy and an unintended consequence.

Patd
About Acorn, it is not the intent(getting more urban voter registered) it is the way they do it. this is the 3rd election where they have had problems. It always seems to be the same type of problem. Some one gets the bright idea that they will make faster money if they just write in names.
There should be some way to control that but it doesn't look like they have found the solution. As it is a problem for the Democratic party maybe they should offer some expert advice. Then again , maybe they did.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164579

"Jew Hating"? ROTFLMFAO !!!! Just the way Jewish people are referred to as "JEW" suggests a pejorative ...

By the way, to all the GORDO supporters, is it fair to surmise that you are all planning to vote McCain?

patd - that is certainly not the problem the Repugs are asserting about ACORN as they challenge ACORN registrations -= while that may be the case, if it is, ACORN will have been a useful tool for the Repugs.

Gordo, you're simply wrong - Obama wasn't using the legal system - Berg was. Anti-Obamites need to find someone or some organization who has standing to challenge Obama's bona fides if they want to do so in court. Bad law, bad planning and bad lawyering. Predictable result (which I predicted). Too bad.

Acorn and CRA are being victimized by Gooper liars and their enablers media. Virtually nothing said about Acorn and CRA has been true, yet it doesn't stop morons from every type at Faux news from repeating the lies.

Talk about needing a fact check.

http://www.acorn.org/

Anon,

The best they have ever been? WOW! Now only if he could triple the numbers of viewers he might beat O'Reilly. That is why Craig needs to make an appearance on O'Reilly so more people get to know him.

Gordo - What in this world are you gonna do with yourself after the election is over?

KO has even managed to alienate me. I loved Countdown, but his uber-liberal spin caused me to find better things to do than watch his show. I disagree; KO and BillO are not polar opposites, but two sides of the same coin. They both lack journalistic eithics. I will say that KO has writing talent, but beyond that...

After a frustrating day and reading this blog, I'm ready for some Whiskey, and I rarely drink.

In my mouth and pass my gums, look out tummy, here it comes.

jack, the bigger ACORN problem may be what patd pointed out - people who thought they were registered who aren't - rather than the other problem of ineligible voters voting because ACORN registered them.

I know one guy - a strong conservative - who thinks Paulson knew full well that big banks such ass Chase might use the money for purposes other than those he was using to sell the bailout. Who knows - Paulson's no fool.

Blue, from one Hillary supporter to another, I am sure we share our disdain of KO's sexist attacks on her during the primary. Although Olbermann does often great commentary, that stuff he was doing after Hillary started fighting back was simply indignation to show the world how the woman needed to be knocked down. It's history at this point, but it's how I feel, and while I can watch him now, I still think he's sort of a lout.

I am over the bitterness though when I think of KO's conduct then I sort of fire up. Right now my focus is on the Obama likely win and finally, HOPEFULLY, a new progressive direction for our country.

Anon,
"Holy Crap!! NASCAR'S Junior Johnson comes out for Obama"

Now had that been Jimmy Johnson, or Dale Earnhardt Jr., then that would mean something to NASCAR fans. But Junior Johnson? He is so very old news, I'm surprised to learn he is still among the living let alone supporting anyone. This isn't one of those ACORN voter registration things is it? Never know with that ACRON bunch who they'll try to slip in.

ET- Pogo, (unless I'm getting him confused with Ping Pong, if so sorry guys) has over time questioned him and argued the validity of his theory. What's wrong with that? In fact I enjoy their back and forth. Pogo being a lawyer looks at it from that view and I learn bits and pieces from his posts. Same with Jamie, she was pretty versed in adoption procedures. Unless I've missed something, he jokes some about it but doesn't attack Gordo personally. You on the other hand just make personal comments and mock him. You focus a lot on Gordo instead of ignoring it. Then you make this statement "He should be ashamed and we shouldn't even engage him." suggesting something that you don't seem able to do yourself and it if in this case it is due to your statements that the subject continues.

Gordo- What was the reason for the Mercier Island visit?

"...that is certainly not the problem the Repugs are asserting about ACORN as they challenge ACORN registrations -= while that may be the case, if it is..."

pogo, i don't care about the partisan assertions on either side. i care about that black lady that just turned 100 that was in the news hoping she lives long enough to go vote and i care about all those idealistic kids out there more excited about voting instead of following what some celeb did today.
bad memories of the fl and ohio fiascos and the looks on the faces of the turned away still haunt me.

pogo -------------------

SoetorObama refuses to provide ANY proof that he has the Constitutional requirements for POTUS.

He uses the legal system to keep his "hidden" past hidden.

If he was Constitutionally qualified, he would show the certified documents.

SoetorObama is either a "naturalized" citizen or an "illegal" who has probably been using a name (BHO) that is not his legal name for about 30 years.

Foreign policy just showed up in the mailbox it had this fun read.

If you could pick a dream team to advise the next president who would it be?

"The next American president will confront a host of potential cataclysms: from a virulent financial crisis to a vicious terrorist enemy, nuclear proliferation to climate change. He’ll need his country’s brightest minds—not his party’s usual suspects. So, we asked 10 of the world’s top thinkers to name the unlikely team that can best guide No. 44 through the turbulent years ahead."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4507

Jack
Lunch is over back to work.

Gordo, buddy, you're just repeating opinions and calling them facts - but you knew that. Put up, please, otherwise ...

(Hint - FOIA request to INS).

Jack

Thanks for the link to Foreign Policy --they have some interesting picks there...

Andrea Mitchell just missed a great question. She had a senior Republican on who kept going on about Obama taxing the wealthy to give money to people who don't pay taxes, but he wouldn't be specific about any plans or take responsibility for any Repub actions

If she gets one of those corned again, she should sweetly ask, "Are you telling me that the Republican Party is opposed to "The Earned Income Tax Credit"?
Then sit back and watch them try to tap dance around that shot in the bar room floor.

EUtom - "...kind of a lout." Yes, but given KO's actions, and his I-don't-vote-I'm-an-unbiased-journalist schpeel, I've lost all confidence in anything he says. He does word things nicely though, as I recall.

It's just too bad that after he started mocking BillO, he actually started to channel him.

That's an interesting link Whiskey.

I found Katrina vanden Heuvel’s pick of Slick as SOS noteworthy. I wonder if he'd find that beneath him?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4507&page=4

Damn, bad eyes. Where'd my glasses .lol
Bill Bradley.

OIC, Shashi Tharoor had Slick as SOS. Still interesting and wondering. :-)

"you're just repeating opinions and calling them facts"

Now that would be a first on this blog.

What is really interesting is reading some of the comments made back during the end of the primaries. Some of you, mostly the females, were so pissed at Obama vowing you would never vote for him, you would either not vote or write in Hilliary's name. Now many of you have become Obama cheerleaders. Does this often occur in other parts of your lives where you make such profound decisions and then run 180 degrees in a different direction?

Jamie,
Nora had the RNC Chair on and was grilling him about redist. of wealth/taxes and she must be reading here b/c she was on him about my pet peeve regarding. 40 % non-paying IncomeTax payers.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164570

I think something goes haywire in some female evangelical brains once they are "saved". Since they are now "perfected" (to cite Ms. Coulter), they have the right to disapprove of everybody and everything they find disagreeable. They weren't very nice in the first place but now have a stamp of approval to get away with it while smiling sweetly as the vitriol drips from their lips.

Anselm were you John R. in a previous life?

or was his name John Hogue???

Women's prerogative lol

Obama tax plan. OK so 40% may not pay federal income tax but they pay other taxes.

Really, you mean just like everyone else?

pogo-------------

SoetorObama keeps his past hidden for a reason - he must.

All we have is his word. No certified hardcopy documents - zero.

Why? Because he does not have the Constitutional requirements for POTUS.
------------------
The next time you are asked to provide BC proof of date of birth, location of birth, etc -- just say:

(1) Take my word.

(2) Look at an image of my BC on my blog. I refuse to show you a certified hardcopy.

What would be the reaction? You know.

Pretty good rundown on Prop 8 and the Gov and his wife
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1081

Anselm

Here is an article about Rachel Maddow's ratings that include Olbermann and O'Reilly ratings. It also includes a link to full spectrum of ratings at TV By The Numbers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/rachel-maddow-ratings-bea_n_127391.html

The only reason O'Reilly has ratings is that the majority of his elderly audience hasn't died off yet.

Rez,
I know its your pet-peeve. The bottom line is that unless a taxpayer is paying approx $7000/yr in (INCOME TAXES) they aren't carrying their part of the load. If you're paying more then you are carrying someones elses weight. I know there's circumstances and reasons and justifications but it doesn't change the reality.....some carry their own weight, some carry more than their weight and some.....let others carry them.....

"O'Reilly Olberman"

Two sides of the same bad penny.

"but two sides of the same coin. They both lack journalistic eithics."

ROFL, Blue -- just read this -- we're on the same wave length....

Anselm,

You skipped school the day we went round and round here about Fed W/H and FICA. Not going there today. My bottom line was if you worked and had Fed W/H (advance income tax pay) and on your return, line 64 (Federal income tax withheld on W-2 or 1099 forms) then you paid IncomeTax.

Jamie,

You have do better than showing me a month old new clipping from the Huffington Post. One thing I do know is Ms Maddow is kicking the dog snot out of Keith. And for that I am grateful. Jamie don't knock the elderly, as you are one of them. Here for your viewing pleasure are some real current cable ratings.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/24/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-october-23-2008/6827#more-6827

Jax, you're entitled to your opinion. I was stating facts.

"after he started mocking BillO, he actually started to channel him. "

Spot on again, Blue.

Jaxtrader

The very few in the top percentages control about 90%+ of the wealth of the country, but they pay only 40% of the taxes for the Federal Budget. The rest of the expenses of the nation are shoved down on the broad middle class. They've got the goodies and their hard working salaried brethern down below creating that wealth for the top percentages get to cover the rest of the bill as well.

The funny thing is that if you taxed them at the 90% rate of pre 1960, they would still be outrageously wealthy. Kicking them back up from 32% to 35% bracket will hardly be noticeable.

Signing off.

"Damn, bad eyes. Where'd my glasses .lol
Bill Bradley."

I was just sitting here puzzling about why Bill Bradley might think it beneath him....and wondering if he was known as "Slick" in his BB days.....

Jury finds Ted Stevens guilty on all 7 counts of making false statements. Dare we hope for a perp walk?

There may be some justice to be had, after all. Ted Stevens has been found guilty of making false statements.

LOL Patsi,

I thought I was seeing things then I went back and found WJC was listed by the next commentor.

So do you think it'd be beneath Bubba?

I would love to see a perp walk Patsi.

Can you say filibuster proof.

Poor Stevens (croc tears) I bet he's taking the fall for BushCo in the eyes of many on that jury.

Anselm,.

Don't be an ass. That is why I mentioned the link to the Ratings by the numbers site so you could find October ratings. What is comes down to is that in the money demographics for advertisers (18-35) for products marketed to young adults and (25-54) for products directed at families, O'Reilly is slipping. His audience is in the often discounted (35-64) with heavy emphasis on the 54+.

I don't consider Olbermann a news man. He is sometimes entertaining and sometimes aggravating. O'Reilly is little but a dirty joke masquerading as a conservative because it pays well.

For the concentration of wealth in the United States, take a peak at the L curve

http://www.lcurve.org/

Over $200,000 is down on the 95 yard line of the football field. The average family is down on the 50 yard line. The folks sitting down near the one yard line have already made a touch down when it comes to money.

Looks like Senator Stevens is a baked Alaskan

"(10-27) 13:10 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens was convicted of seven corruption charges Monday in a trial that tainted the 40-year Senate career of Alaska's political patriarch.

The verdict, coming just days before Election Day, adds further uncertainty to a closely watched Senate race. Democrats hope to seize the once reliably Republican seat as part of their bid for a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate

"So do you think it'd be beneath Bubba?"

Moot. Because it would never be offered. I think John Kerry might be offered the position, though. And it'll be interesting to see what payoff others will want.

Food for thought....if Gore had won, Joe Lieberman would have been a heartbeat away from the presidency.

"O'Reilly is slipping. His audience is in the often discounted (35-64) with heavy emphasis on the 54+."

Their vote counts the same though and more of them vote in that age group

Jason,

Tell me, in which language are you teaching?

Long time ago had an Israeli instructor teaching Money & Banking (in English). His lesson plan was made up of post-its stuck into the class text. Worst course I had.

A hat tip to all the others before me who were happy to see Senator Stevens convicted.

More important than why Obama needed these radical fellows, they actually helped him get where he is today, is why they wanted him so much?

Obama's concept of growing the economy from the bottom up is totally a stupid concept and that really scares me. I am sure Ayres and Wright like this concept. If anyone here understands this I would like a serious explanation of how that concept can work. Education/training, and I am all for that, is the only thing I can think of that will help those on the bottom move up the ladder and help the economy.

Giving away money will not grow this economy even though it can buy an election. I have worked with poor people throughout my 36 year career and give away programs help them for the moment but do nothing for improving their future.

You can't pay people out of poverty you have to change their programming. Children raised in welfare homes often continue the practice as adults. I suggest that instead of having children recite the Pledge in school, they should recite the Pledge to make myself something when I grow up. Their families certainly don't suggest or encourage it.

My mom did it to me. She programmed me, starting as a small child, that I would go to college and would be a nurse and while most of my friends were getting jobs, married and having fun after high school I was going to college. I didn't really want to but I was programmed.

When I am providing medical care for my inmates and I see a hint of anything between a young person's ears I give them my education will get you off of this trail of doom speech. I give them encouragement and resources. They often leave my office with a smile or a look of surprise that I even cared and thank me for the advice.

Gordo, 4 letters - FOIA; 3 letters - INS. If he has a passport, he produced a birth certificate and didn't produce it on a website.

I suggest you read the site linked to the decision (actually to America's Right, which provides links).

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-from.html

Some of what's said there may sound familiar to what I said to you about the lawsuit. btw, that native language audiotape Berg says he has - audiotapes are routinely rejected as not reliable (unless Berg made the tape it's at least hearsay, more likely double hearsay) - again, poor lawyering.

"Food for thought....if Gore had won, Joe Lieberman would have been a heartbeat away from the presidency."

I'm not sure how anyone could have been worse than W in the event we got JL in a catastrophe.

Breaking on Fox(US GOVT Foils plot to assasinate Obama)
foxnews

Posted on Monday, October 27, 2008 3:26:23 PM by Snappy1MarineMom

Neil Cavuto just had breaking news to say that a plot was foiled by the US government to assasinate Obama. The KKK or skin heads were behind the plot..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2116781/posts

Hey EuroTom,

Do you know a woman named Krista Ross?

Stevens.

I've not followed the case except in the most general way. That said, why in the world would anyone take joy in seeing someone convicted of a crime, of being disgraced, and of having a career in which in which his constituents reelected him time-after-time indelibly tarnished? Especially if one of the reasons for his conviction is because people are really upset with the Congress?

It'll be interesting seeing if Gov Palin taps someone for his seat before next Tuesday. And if that someone will be allowed to take Steven's place in the election.

Despite his guilt, I think there will be resentment (in Alaska) that the jury of his peers was thousands of miles away from where the series of charges found life.

"I'm not sure how anyone could have been worse than W in the event we got JL in a catastrophe."

I dunno, Rez....I think Joe would have jumped right in with the Neo-Cons, maybe with a nuke.

I take joy in crooks being convicted. The arrogance of power makes these sorts of people think they are above the laws of the land, that they are better than us, smarter than us, and more deserving than any of us.

Stevens doesn't deserve our pity or any shedding of crocodile tears. He's abused the system and his position as a public SERVANT, to garner further wealth and perks...

EuroTom,

Do you know a woman named Krista Ross?

flatus, while I don't take joy in Stevens' conviction, I don't cry any croc tears over it either - the facts were pretty clear if they came in at trial anything like they were reported. Hard to get anything built for less than $50/sq. ft. and or claim somthing you have held and used for 7 years was just being stored for the owner. Stevens apparently felt he could steal for himself (excuse me - accept gifts) like he stole for Alaska (excue me - raise earmarks to an art form) and lie his way out of it. Sorry, but my sympathies for him are pretty minimal.

Linda, I just replied to you via Facebook

Gotta run - bye now.

It's my bedtime folks... goodnight and good lord, one more week only... thank god. This election is making me jittery.

xoxoxoxo

Maybe Governor Palin will appoint herself.
Although it appears, Stevens does not have to resign with the conviction. Well only a few more months in office.

pogo------------------

"If he has a passport, he produced a birth certificate and didn't produce it on a website."

Then let the American people see the SAME hardcopy BC. He doesn't because it would be examined closely. It is either a fake or has some very damaging info.

"I was just trying to appeal to his conscience"

ROFL, Tom. Don't spend much time on that quest....:)

OMG -- These skinheads are seriously bonkers....they planned to do their attack dressed up in white tuxedos and top hats....

Jamie,
I've read the L curve. I think it just proves the same basic fact. As I said, if an individual taxpayer doesn't pay the average tax bill (total income tax / total tax payers) then that individual taxpayer is not carrying their own weight. This is a country of equal opportunity and I believe it should be one of equal obligation. I personally could care less how wealthy someone becomes and I don't think that they owe me something extra because they become successful.

"Obama's concept of growing the economy from the bottom up is totally a stupid concept and that really scares me."

CT this is exactly the way you grow an economy. If you do it from the top down you have medieval royalty and serfdom or in the modern context Mexico with the ruling families holding all the wealth while those underneath can't survive no matter how hard they work.

A country without a developed and strong middle class is doomed. Our middle class is shrinking and losing it's buying power. Which countries have middle classes that are growing? India and China.

Henry Ford may have been a jerk, but he knew he had to pay his workers well if they were going to have the money to buy his cars. All wealth is at some point based on the labor of others under it, and if you don't believe that look at the stock market and all the retailers who are expecting a 2% drop in their holiday sales.

Read this about Henry Ford, Jamie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164678

Jaxtrader, the majority of the people at the tippy tippy top of that curve are heriditary wealth. You know the ones who are trying to get the "death taxes" cancelled who don't mention that you have to have a net worth of more than two million to even pay the darn thing.

These are the folks born on third base who think they have hit a triple. They are the ones who get into the very best universities courtesy of "legacies" and hefty grants to the Alumni fund.

This is only the land of opportunity if you are fortunate enough to be able to see the way up and have people and mentors in your life to help you up the ladder.

No you can't pay people out of poverty, but you can stop standing on their heads to keep them down.

I was living about 10 or so blocks from where KOA disc jockey was assassinated by white supremer guys in Denver, in 1984.

wikipedia:
Early life
A native of Chicago, Illinois, Alan Berg attended the University of Colorado at Denver before transferring to the University of Denver.[citation needed] At age 22, Berg was one of the youngest people to pass the Illinois bar examination, but he began to experience a series of neuromuscular seizures.[citation needed] He was also increasingly dependent on alcohol. Berg's first wife, Judith Lee Berg (nee Halpern), convinced him to quit his Chicago law practice to seek help. They moved to Denver where Berg committed himself at St. Joseph's Hospital.[citation needed] However, after his release, he continued to be plagued by seizures. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 1976. After it was removed, he made a full recovery and his seizures ended.

Radio career
Alan Berg later opened a clothing store where he met Laurence Gross, a radio talk show host on KGMC-AM in Denver. Impressed with Berg, Gross made him a guest on several occasions. When Gross took a job in San Diego, Berg was hired as replacement at Gross's behest.

From KGMC, which had changed to KWBZ, he moved to KHOW in Denver. After being fired from KHOW, Berg went back to KWBZ before it changed to an all-music format and he was again fired. Berg, now unemployed, was courted by KTOK in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and WXYZ in Detroit, Michigan. He ended up taking a job at KOA in Denver, debuting on February 23, 1981. He worked there up to his death.

Listeners in more than thirty states over KOA's 50,000-watt signal heard Alan Berg's opinions about gun control, homosexuality, religion, antisemitism and other topics. Berg became notorious for upsetting callers who vociferously disagreed with him to the point of being unable to express themselves which Berg would then further berate. While his style was controversial, in the latter stages of his life, Alan Berg did begin to tone down somewhat. This was especially true after he returned to the airwaves after serving a suspension for berating former Colorado Secretary of State Ellen Kaplan on his show.
Death
At about 9:30 p.m. on June 18, 1984, Alan Berg was shot thirteen times in the driveway of his home next to his Volkswagen Beetle.[citation needed] He was returning home after a dinner date with his ex-wife, Judith.[citation needed] They were attempting to reconcile.

The murder weapon, a semi-automatic Ingram MAC-10 which had been illegally converted to an automatic weapon,[citation needed] was later discovered at the home of one of The Order's members by the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Hostage Rescue Team. The weapon was part of a homemade altar dedicated to Adolf Hitler.
Ultimately, four members of The Order were indicted, including Robert Mathews, who conceived the plan to assassinate Berg.[citation needed] However, only the actual shooter, Bruce Pierce, and the getaway driver, David Lane, were convicted.

Lane, a former Klansman who joined the neo-Nazi/Christian Identity group Aryan Nations, steadfastly denied any involvement in Alan Berg's murder, but also never expressed sorrow over it. In the History Channel documentary, Nazi America: A Secret History, Lane, who had called into Berg's show and deliberately goaded him into an argument, stated: "The only thing I have to say about Alan Berg is: regardless of who did it, he has not mouthed his hate-whitey propaganda from his 50,000-watt Zionist pulpit for quite a few years."
Lane died in prison on May 28, 2007 while serving a 190-year sentence for violating Berg's civil rights and Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statutes.

Films and plays inspired by Berg's assassination:

Berg's murder was the basis for Eric Bogosian's 1987 play, Talk Radio and the 1988 motion picture adaptation directed by Oliver Stone. Steven Dietz's 1988 play God's Country and the 1988 film Betrayed were also based on the incident.

Jamie,
There is no doubt that inherited wealth makes it easier for those individuals. But you make it seem as if they somehow deny opportunity because they are wealthy.
To me it just sounds like "sour grapes" ....a handy excuse for not achieiving excellence....blame it on the rich guy.....I guess its a safe argument......I for one never bought into it....it seemed too shallow and completely at odds with the freedom we are supposed to enjoy here

Godwin's Law Alert.

flatus...

I don't think my post about Stevens being found guilty reflected any joy. That said, I agree with both ETom and pogo...the man decided he was 'more worthy' than we mere mortals, and he is now reaping the fruits of his labor. Good for him.

I do wonder how it feels to be Alaskan right now...and I've actually been there many times, and love the state...but two of their top officials have been exposed. Ted Stevens has been found guilty of crimes, and Sarah Palin...at the VERY least...has demonstrated repeatedly that she doesn't have the intellectual gravitas to have been put in line for the presidency...IMO.

Intellectual Gravitas.....Hmmmm.....something tells me we'll have had our fill of that soon.......:)

Jax,

I think individual tax payers ought to carry their own weight and be responsible for their obligations at the same time.

We all use the "commons" in varying degrees. Commons would best be defined as things like the Federal court system, national transportation, communications and utilities systems. IMO, Obligations would fall on the individual through ownership of securities in large corps too.

Oops....Bono....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1080636/What-St-Bonos-wife-say-partying-teenage-girls.html

Rez,
I agree....if it was just left to those things we wouldn't be having tax discussions at all. It's all of the unfunded entitlements. That's what is killing us......have you heard either candidate even once mention spending cuts....ever...at all.....What I don't get is that the public isn't demanding it. Even the discussions here....noone sees it. Everyone is cutting back in their personal lives but feels no compulsion to demand that Gov't do the same...I don't get it

Jaxtrader

I'm not "blaming" the rich guy. I'm all in favor of getting wealthy. I've pretty much had a reasonably comfortable middle class life and even when there were bumps in the road was able to work courtesy of the good education. Of course during the roughest stretches I used to say that every time I got past the poverty line, they moved the darn thing.

What I do resent in many comfortable people is that they make assumptions that have little to do with the reality that must be lived by those in strained circumstances much less poverty. They frequently act as if the person with a bad family life, bad school, bad surroundings, bad health care and limited positive influences is some how totally at fault when they fail to take advantage of all the "opportunities".

Jax...

Hmmm...I think you've already had your fill of intellectual gravitas...and the election isn't even over. I, for one, will be delighted to believe that my president is perhaps more intelligent than I am...if Obama is elected. I certainly won't feel that way if McCain is elected...nor if something happens to him and his running mate ascends to the presidency. I am appalled by the people who claim they think Palin will be just fine in the job...of either the vice presidency and the presidency. What in her performance of the past two months would make you believe that?

the reason gop persons think sarah palin would be fine in the presidency is they know that all she'll have to do is follow orders.........even W could do that.........and, of course, the actor--- reagan.........

Harbor,
Don't confuse elloquence with intelligence and don't assume good judgment with intelligence. I don't think any of the candidates are well suited to the job. It is sad though that the perceived weakest one (Palin) is the only one with any actual executive experience running anything......by all means support whoever you're going to support....I just wouldn't feel too happy about any of them...

Jamie,
I just think that singling out the rich is poor policy. Unfortunately it works polically every time. We all know that every extra cent gotten from the rich will never reach the poor in a meaningful way.....it never has....it's just good retoric

I bet when reagan began to develop alzheimer's there was a lot of "Freaking Out" in the gop upper echelons.....lol

Jaxtrader

If you had listened to the Obama speech today, he did mention spending. He actually promised to have the budget analyzed to eliminate unproductive programs and combination of programs for efficiency and so on.

You are right that unfunded mandates cripple the state budgets. Just as Clinton was starting to bring the budget into line, I believe Obama will do the same. Even if he didn't believe that the sheer reality of the current financial crisis will have to be handled before much else can be done.

The Republicans have been the major spendthrifts, lets see if the Democrats can clean up the mess.

Jamie,
Maybe....wanna make a bet....Laughs

Jax...

I don't feel I'm confusing anything with anything...and certainly not eloquence with intelligence in the case of Obama. If you cannot see his intelligence, I believe it is because of the color of the filters you look through. I doubt his presidency will be the 'glory land' some hope for, but I'm equally certain it won't be the doom of America, as some of my Republican friends would have e believe.

As for Palin, I'm singularly unimpressed with how she's used her 'executive experience'. And I would point out to you that it's much easier to be a big fish in a small bowl than to be one in an ocean. Like it or not, Alaska is big only geographically.

Harbor,
I'm just saying that I don't think that any of us should be proud that we have had this 4 to choose from....mediocrity at its finest.....

Jax...

Both McCain and Obama have spoken fairly often of cutting spending. McCain would like to take the 'ax' approach to spending cuts, whereas Obama has suggested that using a scalpel might be wiser. I agree that spending habits will have to change, but I agree with Obama that it should be looked at carefully. The people in greatest need are usually the ones hurt when that is not done.

And Jamie made an excellent point above...that those who are 'well off' often view those who are not as having landed where they are 'on purpose'. Perhaps some do not use the gifts they've been given, but most either weren't lucky enough to receive those gifts...or have no clue how to begin to use them...either because they lack the mental or physical resources, or because life has dealt them a hand they just can't figure out how to play.

Jamie, Harbor
We'll see. I don't see either one cutting anything...I'd love to be wrong....I don't subscibe to the luck thing....
It's a cop out as far as I'm concerned....its why I don't play the lottery....I rely on myself to make things happen...or not......to each his own I guess

Jax...

I hope Obama will prove you wrong about his supposed mediocrity. That said, I always worry about those who would choose to lead...and their abilities...and their motives. But I will be happier taking a chance on Obama's leadership than on anyone who even remotely smacks of what the past eight years have brought us. I still look back in amazement and sorrow that Bush and Cheney have been able to inflict so much harm in so short a span of time. They have much to atone for....

LusciouLinda-this is Krista from TN but more recently AK.

Harbor,
I suppose for simplicity its easy to point to 2. I prefer to look at the 20 and 30 year senators and congressmen.
Wonder how many of them will be gone.....

BTW, I said I didn't mind anyone being wealthy. I do object to rampant greed run amok and a sense of entitlement to vast riches.

There is a huge difference in CEOs who make 40 times the guy down on the assembly line and one who makes 500 times that salary and is thinking of cutting the payroll and shifting jobs overseas so he can make even more in his next bonus.

Unless they are giving away a whole hell of a lot of that money, it is just plain disgusting. Come to think of it, even if they are giving it away, they are still destroying this country and they are still disgusting.

Jamie, the middle class is not the bottom. They are the hard working stiffs in the middle of this economy that get screwed by both ends. Yes they do need a break. I am all for breaks for the middle class.

I came from a middle class family, probably the lower end of middle class as far as income goes. I really didn't know much about the lower/no wage earners until I started working in nursing. It really was a shock to me in the beginning.

Working in a prison/jail I see many on the bottom. It may sound harsh but sometimes poverty is a career choice or maybe just destiny. I haven't quite decided which yet and believe me for years I have done a lot of interviewing and pondering. I do want to understand.

"I agree....if it was just left to those things we wouldn't be having tax discussions at all. It's all of the unfunded entitlements."

Jax,

That's exactly what we're debating this election. Taxing those who use and benefit from the commons more at a higher rate.

We all benefit equally from most of the federal programs in areas such as defense, education and social services. As several have commented of course we need to do better on curbing waste and costs in those area. btw, Getting out of Iraq would save a bunch.

Jamie wrote,

Henry Ford may have been a jerk, but he knew he had to pay his workers well if they were going to have the money to buy his cars. All wealth is at some point based on the labor of others under it, and if you don't believe that look at the stock market and all the retailers who are expecting a 2% drop in their holiday sales.

I worked for a corp, western electric before going into military service, after being released my old job was still there waiting for me, they had what we called group piece work, i was in charge of a dept of 32 people because of this piece work that all of us shared, there was very little that went wrong, at the end of each month we would get a bonus (the piece work) we had insurance, we had a medical building, with a doctor, and nurses staff,,,,we knew that in order for us to keep this little city within a city that we had to take care of it. We also knew that there were executives that made a more money than we did,,,this we did not mind---they had the talent education, and the $ to get things done------but they in turn new that the work could not be done by them, and relied on us for the phisical labor------it was mutual,,,,hardly any problems except, getting mtls to work with there was no turn over family members worked and retired, from an early age to retirement age----what are the executives of our corps, doing today to deserve 4-5 hundred time what the average person makes now? all this greed can imo is once again due to the team mentality that goes to far------Jamies point about mexico is on the $. could this happen to us????

Jamie,
I see no limits. If investors are stupid enough to pay that salary and it's not illegal. Then let them have it. You can't put limits on either end.....if you do then we're not free. I like to think that I can make as much money as I want....limitless...and I will do with it as I want.....and noone has the right to deny me that.....

"It may sound harsh but sometimes poverty is a career choice or maybe just destiny. I haven't quite decided which yet and believe me for years I have done a lot of interviewing and pondering. I do want to understand."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164711

Carol,
You said it yourself earlier today. You were programmed to go to college and to become successful. The people you're talking about were programmed to be what they are. It's not destiny, per se, but you could probably call it a self fulfilled prophecy.

Jax...

I'm an investor, and I have no true choice about what the CEOs of the companies in which I've invested are paid. You're bright enough to understand that and, unless you have a hell of a lot of money (shares), you haven't the clout to influence executive pay, either. That's a foolish argument, IMO.

I agree that you should be able to EARN as much money as you can...but not that greed should allow you to run rampant over anyone not bright enough to detect any shenanigans you might get up to. Not accusing you of anything, BTW, but if you'll look at Wall Street, you'll see plenty of instances in which shenanigans have been gotten up to....

From TD Blog
------------------
At the end of the Democratic Primary season, this was the situation:

Popular Vote
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton: 17,857,446, (48.04%)
Senator Barack Obama: 17,584,649 (47.31%)

Pledged delegates
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton: 1,730.5 (39.17%)
Senator Barack Obama: 1,747.5 (39.55%)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/make-your-voices-heard/

ct

It is hard to be sympathetic to bad choices. What leads someone to drop out of school, get pregnant without being married, take to drugs or alcohol, or commit crimes? I doubt it is nature because I have seen too many beautiful children who certainly wanted everything that every other beautiful child wants. So how do you change nurture?

That discussion could take hours upon hours. Basically, I opt for assistance and opportunity tied to performance, and bring that assistance as close to the infants and children as possible with good health care, good day care, adequate diet, decent housing and safe neighborhoods.

The enforcement side of performance is the hard part and requires almost one on one counseling and assistance. That is a very, very expensive model in the short term but at least it holds out hope that you can change a life and cut down on demand eventually.

Unfortunately, we have opted for the short term cheaper "maintenance" plan that just keeps people where they are while creating more generations of the same and producing a whole lot of middle class jobs for social workers, prison guards, and police.

Harbor,
They'll all get theirs eventually. Greed I agree is a poor character trait to be sure but last time I checked it wasn't illegal. Envy, I think, is just as bad and let me tell you the color green is very popular on this blog....:)

Hey all,
Enjoyed it...Gotta run....all the best

Jax

You know darn well that the revolving boards of directors set the salaries and bonus compensation packages. Good ol' Joe gets a nice raise voted in part by good ol' Jim and since Joe knowls good ol' Ed over at good ol' Jim's company, he recommends that good ol' Ed give an equal raise to good ol' jim which Ed does because he knows that Jim and Joe are going to talk to his board and that there will be a nice year end present for him come the next negotiation.

The Shareholders rarely even know what is in the compensation packages much less have any real ability to change things.

"Envy, I think, is just as bad"

But Jax, that usually only hurts the person feeling it.

Jamie,
I'm a little more invovled with the companies I invest in....I do have a voice...probably a bad assumption on my part....see ya tomorrow

Obama loves a "surge" -- just not "that surge."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081022.wcampaign_speech23/BNStory/Afghanistan/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20081022.wcampaign_speech23

Changing programming, not handouts, will be the only thing that will work to get the bottom off the bottom. I have decided that.

I had a young man come to see me. He was only 18 and his worry was that he had not yet been able to get any women pregnant. He was programmed to believe that speading his seed around was how he proved he was a man.

My head spun around several times and green stuff came out of my mouth before I was able to tell him that I thought he might want to get out of prison, get a job to support the woman and the child before worrying about that. Did he think I would do some fertility studies?

I work with many of these young women who think that more babies is how they get more money. When they are laden down with kids it is very difficult to do anything else.

It is not always intelligence either. Years ago while doing diabetes education, I had a young couple come in because the wife just learned she had diabetes. They both came from welfare families. Both were very sharp and caught on quickly to the complicated concepts involved in understanding diabetes.

I talked with them about their goals and they had none. I told them they both had great potential and needed to use it. They just weren't interested.

I have thousands of these stories, no I won't share anymore but it has lead me to understand that it is programming. Yes, there are those who are just unlucky. There will always be those we have to support and I am OK with that. No extras though.

Will an extra stimulus check help?

Well, Carol...

No extras, though? No extras for the disabled among us? What choice did they have? And what choices do they make that keep them in living situations where they not only have no extras, they may not even have kind and decent care? That lack of extras is the least of the fears of the parents who know they can't live forever in order to protect their disabled children...but it is one of the worries.

Our work histories are somewhat similar. I, too, worked in corrections...and two of my best friends were nurses at the same institution where I was school principal. Which has nothing to do with my point. I have run into both phenomena you describe above...the young man who judges his virility by the number of offspring he's produced...usually each with a different mother...and the very bright who simply seem to have no motivation. I think those kids can be 'worked with'. It takes a willing ear, and someone to lead by example, but that surface apathy often masks fear that nothing they can do will change their life circumstances.

Personally, I'd love to still be there as this new chapter of history unfolds. It lends itself to leading by example.

For those who have are interested in noting the sexism in our country's culture-
http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2008/10/senator-obama-your-silence-is-dangerous-and-unforgivable.html

Virginia NAACP files suit against Gov. Tim Kaine:

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/politics/sns-ap-election-suit-virginia,0,4158015.story

There has been major complaints about how much CEOs of major public corporations make. I forget who it was, but some executive brought up this point: Private corporations don't have disclose how much their CEOs make. I remember someone at work asking how much the CEO of Plastech, our former owner made. They were told that Plastech was a private company, that info was not made public. But, if you wanna complain about the rich, how fair is it that atheletes make as much money as they do? We'd all be rich if we could shoot a basketball, hit a 90 mph fastball etc...

Good point, Corey. But I guess the biggest problem is that so many executives seem to get paid for failing.

Still waiting for this election to bring us closer together....

I do want you to know I love working in correction's medicine. I have a very needy group of people who need me more than free people do. I have more of a potential to make a difference in their lives than with any other group of patients. As a bonus, they are very entertaining and I learn a lot from them. They are often my teachers. No they don't share their criminal expertise, well not often.

It is really my semi retirement job, since retiring from education. I left one correctional medicine job because my boss complained that I spent too much time teaching my inmates. I had just seen 30 patients in 4 hours and still managed some teaching.

I almost took a job in a fancy medical center, a job I really didn't want, when I fell down and fractured my pelvis. While waiting to heal, the job I am now doing came up and I was the only one who qualified. My destiny. My fellow NPs don't really understand why I love it so much but they do enjoy my stories.

Oh yeah, Patsi. Do a lousy job at one place...get paid even more to do a lousy job somewhere else. That guy's main point was that if you limit how much a CEO at a public company can make, he will just become the CEO of a private corporation where his earnings don't have to be made public.

"Still waiting for this election to bring us closer together...."

Kudos to Corey!

Al Gore is from Tennessee!

Where is Jack at? We need some humor. Sturge, too.

Where is Jack at? We need some humor. Sturge, too.

There have been effigies of Obama hung from trees complete with signs... They popped up on the news and the various neighbors complained.

To lay the blame for this stuff over which they have no control on the various candidates is silly. Now the people who come to their rallies are a different matter. There the candidate has a responsibility not to harrangue the crowd or add to the prejudice.

Yes I am totally cool with helping the disabled. No problems with children and the old either. They can have all my tax dollars. Just don't want to support the lazy.

Oh that was a "snark" ... Going through the VA polls counting down from +11 to "Even Zogby at +7"

Naughty, Keithie

Puma mentality???
I wish you made sense....I think you have cheered OBAMA one to many times...HA HA. Does that make me Puma? I'm voting for Obama.....

Brain, do you know someone who is shiftless? What exactly is shiftless? Are you feeling alright today?

I just looked it up in an antique dictionary, the only one I could find in a hurry. Shiftless: Incapable, inefficient. That sounds like those CEO who sold my investments and nope I don't want to support them either. So no to the shiftless unless they qualify as retarded. Yes to the retarded unless that includes our current president and then no to him.

Wouldn't it be fun to be able to chose who we want to help with our taxes.

"The premise of the entire piece is amazingly stupid. "

Anything that doesn't say women should die as soon as they birth boys is cool with you.

And don't deny you said it.

Actually, as I'm sure has been already mentioned, a GOP PAC has already released such an ad, and the GOP has committed 2.5 mil to run it in four battleground states.

But here's why I don't think it will work: Because Wright actually makes some sense to thinking people. Plus, the guy served in the military for, I think, three tours of duty with one as a medic. The ads focus on this very complete thought that we have financed terrorism, and so, should feel accountable for the retribution which followed in the form of 9/11.

It's a little bit like this socialism thing. It's not like we want the workers to own the product of their labor. But we do want a more equitable distribution of the profits, something which took place, more or less, back when labor unions had some yank. I think at his core, Obama does not want to mandate "spreading the wealth," but he dares to empower workers to organize, something they have been reluctant to do because unions have been de-fanged. The point gets pounded home by Republicans over and over, until people hearing it start trying to reconcile why it doesn't bother them, then start to realize that yeah, that's right -- and we don't mind so much.

With Wright, i think if people hear those very soundbites that are played over and over, they might actually listen. And when they do, they will realize that Wright is offering his opinion, and a very biblical one at that, which is that you reap what you sow.

I still remember when I went to youtube and listened to those sermons in their entirety. I came away thinking that this guy actually has something to say worth listening to. And, if you toned down the rhetoric and said it in a more mainstream church, people would buy it without question, because there is an essential truth there.

Of course, Wright showed his ass after that as just another opportunist, which really disappointed me. But it made me respect Obama even more, because he didn't dump Wright for his ideas, he dumped him for being a selfish asshole.

I say bring on Wright. I know this is probably a little too much wishful thinking, but while it may harden the base even further, it just might make sense to undecided independents.

shift·less

1 : lacking in resourcefulness : inefficient
2 : lacking in ambition or incentive : lazy

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shiftless

ct

How old are you? Lazy and shiftless is the old canard against all black people. You have to step back in time to the era of Stepin Fetchit to see it reflected in movies, but the combination of the two words is like saying won't work and stupid when they do.

Stepin Fetchit was a comedy genius. Unfortunately, the character he created became an image of a whole race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69GdiSZ-NA

Woman who speaks her mind: DIVA
Man who does same: HERO

Good point Patsi.

"Still waiting for this election to bring us closer together...."

Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 27, 2008 7:37 PM

If you mean this blog, word of advice to ya' : Corey do not hold your breath.

Men questioning Feminism are bitter woman-haters

wow......that video is very telling.

How about that. Keith just gave the creator of the hanging Palin effigy "Worst Person In The World".

Balanced enough for everyone?

I want to say something in defense of CT. I "get" what she is saying. The reason is a classic case study I had the opportunity to see while my son played high school football and afterwards.

The entire team came to my house after practice every day. Many of the team members were black. Others were poor whites. A few were affluent. What I saw happening was that EVERYTHING depended on what messages kids were getting from their parents, or caretakers.

CT is absolutely right about "programming" -- it depends on what parents are encouraging their children to think.

A lot of the young black players went on to college and careers. That is because their parents "programmed" them to believe in education. A lot of the poor white players went to school. In one case, it was because a gay couple became the "Big Brother" of a young man. They "programmed" him to excel.

Others, black and white, did not do so well. One boy that I had high hopes for spent his first several years out of high school enrolling in different colleges so he could get the student loans, then screw off.

And this speaks to Jamie's comments about old rich: I saw a few boys with EVERY opportunity and financial backing screw up because they had no "programming."

So don't beat up on CT for telling the truth. Everything depends on how someone is taught.

Newt is waiting in the wings, waiting for the current repugs to all kill each other off.....(so to speak)...so he can re-enter the scene....lolol

How funny....End result of Bush, McCain, and Palin.

"You must all be so proud to have Sarah as your standard-bearer in your quest to smash through the glass ceiling. BRAVA, BRAVA!

You have to be one of the dumbest people on the planet. You don't get that supporting a candidate and being offended by misogyny are two different things. What a tool.

Being the head of the 3rd largest 527....he's not going to spend his money on this one...no-way....he just made that perfectly clear.....mo mula for his own agenda.

Rachel is hilarious tonight.

Well, Bri -- if I ever envied a penis, it wouldn'tr be yours.

Bethyboo---went back to last thread to find a post there, and also found your question to me---asking if im just one person,,,i was going to answer but i could be wrong about what you had in mind, and decided to ask you instead,, i know im over posting and will cut back.

omg....lol...that's got to be a bit funny to someone?

Stevens 7 times guilty....another repug bites the dust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

Jamie, I am old enough to know but those who are prejudice around my parts use words with less letters in them. Don't really hear much prejudicial speech these days re AA , more about gays. Maybe that is because I work at the prison.

Liberals aren't very popular here either. I have always been a very blue girl in a very red area. I have pissed off many over the years and enjoyed doing it.

After the way this entire political season has gone, I am not too proud being liberal anymore. Ask questions and you are prejudice. Don't see Obama as the next Messiah and you are a Repug.

All the unnecessary hate speech regarding women whether they were intelligent, well spoken, and spent their entire life preparing for the presidency or whether they are young, less experienced, more country, and just wanted to make her state a better place. They are both c---s. We c----s make up more of the voters and we have not only put up with this we joined it. Sad How does a mother explain that to her daughter?

Many liberals have come to sound too much like the left's version of the radical right. I guess they decided that If you can't fight them with decent speech just join them with nastiness. This election season lasted way too long and I hope the next one doesn't start the day after Obama is elected.

I took the weekend off from the news and just watched horror movies. It felt about the same.

It's all a matter of opinions here, UB. I very well know that.

Patsi...

I don't think anyone was questioning that Carol is right about programming. I certainly wasn't. What I do question is the statement that those who can't provide for themselves should get 'no extras'...and she amended her stance.

There are many whose programming almost guarantees their failure...but 'almost' is the most important word in that sentence. It's why people like Carol and I do the kind of work we do. 'Almost' means there are some who can and will change the messages of their programming.

One of the kids I'm proudest of left the institution where I worked and later became a city bus driver in Seattle. He had some additional problems before achieving that success, but what a great job! Good pay, good benefits...a proud and productive member of society! There are many other success stories, but there are more who ended up in adult correctional institutions because they couldn't overcome their programming...and also because many of them are disabled in some way...less intelligent, poor social skills, etc.

The world is hard enough without the haves making it more difficult for the have nots.

Have a good evening folks.

Corey,
I think there is more then just opinion in many posts......but not being one to point out specifics.....it's evident to many. Didn't mean to make anything big out of your post......just that some here really do not ever "want " to get along, and therefore, in my opinion, it will never happen.

- And that is why the "hold your breath comment"
NBD*

*(no big deal) for those who don't know

I wish the people who keep speaking in generalities would stop! Really!

I'm not trying to pick on you, Carol, but I don't think Obama is the next Messiah and no one is calling me a Republican. I don't see hate speech toward women in every post that mentions women, either. But I don't think Palin is just a country woman who wanted to make her state a better place. Look a little closer.

UB, I can see why some people would not *want* to get along with others here.

I'd like to add to the idea of helping people in need............Why do some look at the poor, the handicapped, and the uneducated, the unemployed as any thing less then a person in need? A human in need, a "for the grace of God there go I ?" I am not religious so that quote may be off -but the meaning is the same.......

But the one good things about the economic meltdown is "some" of those hard hearted people are getting a taste of what it is like to suffer as a result of no action of their own.

Corey, maybe.......but this place has surprised me on many levels.

Corey

A little humor for you

"The seven deadly sins of the meltdown"

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/seven-deadly-si.html

Jack

Patsi,
I have refrain from speaking to you for nearly 5 months, with one exception.....I am about to make that two:
You should be embarrassed....and not for any of the reason you think.

BTW- Patsi, I am sure your work is what gave me the position I hold now. The breaking of the glass ceiling, you helped me do it, you were the one that made the difference. Keep up the good work.....there are more like me, that have excelled because of your great works......thank you.

Now if you could help those without health Insurance, those without enough food for their children, and those who do not understand reproductive rights and choices that would be a plus.........your work very much is appreciated.

Sorry it has left you without a sense of humor.

GOD no not the sign of the cross....lololol....did you make in the right order?

HW,

I do not think Gov. Palin was a good choice for VP but why can't people just stick to the facts without getting personally nasty. I don't think she deserves this any more than Hillary did. I also don't think Biden was such a good choice either. He has made some pretty dumb comments but gets more of a pass.

What do you think Palin's motives were for running for Governor? You probably know more than me so please enlighten me.

She is a Repub and was running against another more powerful Repub. She fought the oil companies. That wasn't popular with them. Up until she took on this assignment she was a very popular Governor.

What were her motives?

UB, it's no different than what I've experienced at work. Doesn't make it right, but that's how it is. As for helping, the economy has to be hurting that. We have had many lunches at work to benefit people from work who are in need. Sadly, many of these fundraising lunches have been to help women at work who have been diagnosed with breast cancer. I wish the economy was better and people could afford to donate more money to those who are in need. As I've said before, my sister has two children with Downs Syndrome. She fought very hard to keep her kids lives as normal as possible. She kept them in regular classes as much as possible. They did have teachers aids to help them at times. But, many times she had to fight for their educational rights. It's never been a money issue, just one of her fighting for their inclusion in school ansd elsewhere. My niece does have a part-time job at Taco Bell. At times, it's a battle to make sure the people there don't take advantage of her. You know, only give her jobs like cleaning the bathrooms, emptying the trash. Things the other workers don't want to do. My niece came home from work one night yelling, "I'M A TRASHMAN!" They had made her take out the trash at work and clean up all the cigarette butts left outside the building by the workers who smoke.

"You should be embarrassed...."

Never fear, UB. I am.

Corey,
I can understand your concern, but you know, if your niece takes pride in her work, and does a great job....she is winning.

It's a job that has to be accomplished, and if she is given that responsibility she should be proud. That she has a job at all, is so much more then most Downs people.

Now- if she doesn't like it - then it has to change! Because the understanding level is lower, you don't want her to lose self -esteem . ( jmo)

Did anyone notice the pin in Chris Matthews' right lapel tonight?

Was it a political button of some sort? Was it a MSNBC promotional item? Was it a religious or medical statement?

Did it seem appropriate or inappropriate for him to wear it?

Patsi...
I say we go back to not conversing................thanks for the few moments non-the -less.

CT

thanks for the insight, I tend to agree but would also like to point out that when you are on the bottom everything looks up.
I substitute taught several years ago at a small church run innercity private school. I was trying to explain the difference between working class, middle class and upperclass to a jr high social studies class. They got the idea of money but when I tried to point out that some jobs were working class I ran into trouble with my first example. I tried to use gargbage collector as an example of a working class job when a student burst out " Oh Trash man, thats a good job"

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164802
UB
I agree,I have been very surprised to see that some liberals in my own party have been so intolerant!! I was raised to believe that Democrats had such a big tent and all were welcome.What a fantasy I was living in...Maybe once the election is over the Democrats can get back to the basics.....Hope so....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164821

She deserved it. That question was loaded with so many hot button words. Biden laughed at her which was the most decent thing she should have expected.

UB---i see that u r back with your knifes sharpened,,,,threaten anybody lately? i see that you came back to enjoy all of your friends, do me a favor tell your pal to lay of OSH, she can take care of herself, but would rather not even talk to him---thanks ub it was just starting to calm down around here, so i guess we could not have that huh,im with you i just can't stand all the friendlyness,,,,oh,oh i have a lot of penis jokes that you might like whats your erection male ill send them to you-----oh my (just like you) i did not mean that ---meant e mail

CNN just grabbed my "Earned Income Tax Credit" response and pointed out that it was started by Reagan. We all know what a Socialist he was.

hey Disgusting.... you sure are! LOL

OSH

From the comments section of that link you posted.

" In the event that McCain loses, the MSM is already blaming it on his pick of Palin for VP. Of course, it must be a woman's fault.

Posted by: Cyn NY | October 27, 2008 at 04:11 PM

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Well, at least they are not partisan in their vile misogyny. In the event that Obama loses, the MSM has already blamed it on Hillary Clinton."

LOL
Ain't it the truth.

Jack

Hey Solar
Thanks for that Soup and Mexican rice recipe last night! Sounds great and I will make it soon.I am enjoying the weather here in Florida,70 degrees's and all the windows open!! I have been waiting since last April for this.....Nice....Don't even think of limiting your posting!!

Solar-Crete-
Un-chain yourself. I don't have my knives sharpened. I am sincere in what I say.....I do not pretend to be better then all the rest. I laugh at things that I think are funny. And sometimes I do it openly........but please bare in mind I don't insult you our your pals personally, ever. I don't even read your posts most of the time.

So leave me out of your little world and we both will be better for it.

BTW- I don't tell or ask anyone else here to do anything on someone else's behalf. If you have something to say to someone say it directly to the person - like a man! You can do it, I know you can.

Sorry to interupt this delightful discussion, but the 5th game was just suspended (rain) in the 6th inning with the game tied at 2. Phillies ahead 3 games to 2.

Hopefully the Phillies win tonite and finish it so Obama won't be blamed for delaying game 6 on Wed.

Bethy

You came through with a rant with which I agree. People who praise capitalism often have not bothered to read one of their heroes, Adam Smith. Oh they can toss out "invisible hand", but don't have a clue about the ethical base of Smith, The Scottish Renaisance or his best friend, David Hume.

Capitalism was never meant to be "survival of the fittest". It cannot survive unless it protects labor. When it stops protecting the source of wealth it collapses as we have seen in many countries that are now Communist.

As to the community here. That is what makes this place different that all the other rant, rave and react sites on the web. This is a community and sometimes the neighbors get really really upset, but we are stuck with each other so we might as well try to get along or at the least ignore the folks you don't like.

Hey tonyyyyy

thats how we say your name here in ill, 70 degrees's, don't rub it in,,,just started winter proofing my casa, and all the windows are shut,,,,don't brag about your weather for the next 4 months, don't make me come over there..

Rez ,
It's always delightful when you show up......they were just busy telling me what *POS I am......nothing new. Do you have a bet on the game?

*(Piece of sh*t) for the elders

UB---why not he got you to come here---hey this is going to be fun,im going to post on everyone of yours--- u r the only pal that i realy care about

Solar
That's how we say my name in Michigan and Florida too!! I promise not to brag for the next 4 months,but did I tell you I was swimming in my pool this evening while enjoying an ice cold Foster's beer (Australia's finest except for Victoria Bitters which you can't get here).Hey you may want to come to Florida in the next 4 months the weather is Fab...HA HA...Your Pal....Tonyyyyyy

Solar,
I have no idea what your little mind wants to create ....but good luck.

I do not even understand what you what you write- for example the post above makes no sense to me.....sorry.....??

UB------you said that you only read some of my posts,,,,,if you missed my recipes let me know----don't go back and look for them-----i will repost,,,it looks like you have made up your mind that not too much will be discussed here anyway,,,do you have a cpl that i can have----but please don't include any poisen-----just kidding :)

Rez,

I'm rooting for the PHillies since they had the bad taste to beat My Dodgers. Rivalry will resume next year, but I want a National League win.

Sticky Toffee Pudding!!! Thanks, Jamie!

UB---see you and i are friends-----you call me by my first name-----can i call U___U haha

Hi UB,- talk to bonnie lately? pos, lol, damn! I got the gist hence my "delightful" comment

Jamie- Phillies as good as any the time since the Sox lost. I'm an AL fan but don't care for FL teams in general.

Ivy

Enjoy. Lots more to follow. I go bonkers with the recipes from now to New Year. If you check back to 2007 there are some great ones there as well.

UB don't stutter---u remind me of me------these poor people are having a hard time of it with me as it is-----they are very good at guessing what i mean half the time---but not one of them has been rude about it----thanks all

Bonnie is very cool, but my pup was traumatized and now has to have treatments, so I have to stay away from the DogPark for a while. I saw her last week....

She's told me about so many issues that Native American Indian's have it really amazing that more publicity has not happened.

Bethyboo---looks like a cpl of more personas just showed up,,,,is that what you meant???i have this little voice in my head that is the boss, and he tells me what to do----then i think that he has a little voice that tells him what to do,and then and then,infinitum,,,,,we all like you. :)

too freaking weird here tonight for me~ good luck to the sane of you and to the rest good luck!

UB,
nice about your buddy. Hope that blossoms. Speaking of pups,
ask Bonnie about a Sioux 7 course meal. lol I'll get with you off site. Later.

Jamie, what a fun site, love the Hieland Coo...

You prompted another recollection above. While in Edinburgh a few summers ago, we went to visit the tomb of Adam Smith. By coincidence, it turned out to be the anniversary of his death. I then felt truly sad at the realization of the impact of his life's work; even so, there he lay, no gathering, no commemoration, no flowers, just me and my husband as the only "mourners." In fact, adding insult to injury, there were scores of sunbathers sprawled among the headstones on that unusually hot day in Scotland.

UB------see you did it again, then you say that you have never insulted anyone,,,but i don't mind if you call me freaking weird,,,i still luv u,,,,just don;t call freaken weirdo i don;t like that---see u tomorrow,,,but i will be here if you want to chat--by

SolarCrete - take down this note : everything said in this forum is not about you.

Write it down. and read it out loud to yourself until you believe it.

Please.

Rez - I will...talk to you later.

good luck

I knew that you would show up---get one more to come out so we can even up the sides----you shouldn't have picked on osh so much----draw your claws back or ill make it misreable for you

Carol...

I have no special knowledge of Palin and her motives. I have the same thing everyone else has...all the impressions I've developed over the past two months. Apparently, some of yours have been positive. Mine have not. If I had to guess, I'd guess she's motivated by the same things that motivate most politicians...hunger for importance and power...and, at the national level, guaranteed wealth. It's a good job.

I think she is disastrously unqualified for the office of vice president...and probably for the office of governor of any state. She's too uninformed for my taste, and I don't see how thinking people can listen to her and not feel alienated by her obvious lack of both information and curiosity. How can she not have an answer for such simple questions as 'what magazines and newspapers do you read?', 'what Supreme Court decisions do you agree/disagree with?', 'what is the job of the vice president?' I've heard of low-information voters, but low-information candidates??? Well, I suppose GWB was one, too....

I will also say with no proof that I don't for one second believe that she truly took on big oil. I haven't bothered to look deeper because she stopped me cold before I could care about the truth of that claim. I won't be voting for her team...probably ever, because I have such a strong preference for thinking people...but certainly not in this election cycle.

While you see a woman who is being wrongfully demeaned, I see one who is doing terrible harm to the cause of thinking woman everywhere. And I don't like it.

UB---make up your mind are we staying or going? i told you a few months back when i extended my hand in friendship,even after you threatened to find me, and hurt me, that you should extend your hand to the friends that you had here before it was too late, it is never too late is it?

Hear hear! HW

btw , that big oil pipeline deal was flop. Maybe she cut a better deal for the state on the oil they ripped off; not sure about that.

"In fact, although it is the centerpiece of Ms. Palin’s relatively brief record as governor, the pipeline might never be built, and under a worst-case scenario, the state could lose up to $500 million it committed to defray regulatory and other costs."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/us/politics/11pipeline.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

Solar - absolutely no snark from me. I was kidding, thinking of the multitude of things and attitudes you write about.You obviously think about a lot and so your posts are very enjoyable. You also have a very big and kind heart. I've just caught up on the last couple of hours here and am amazed at the nastiness that seems to be directed at you.

I think it's kinda funny how some people feel compelled to tell others how they feel about them! I don't know if it's a desire to be a recorded part of history.

Keith Olbermann has verbally lynched both Palin and Hillary. He has become my Worst Person in the World.

I think Tweety's "button" looked like one of those 'I Voted" sticky things.

I was given to understand that the main goal of capitalism is to create a market with the best possible products at the best price.

Palin's drive to help Children with Special Needs stops hort of other people with special needs - she can think ok but her brain stops on a dime and can see nothing else after that point.

The previous posts are an example of 'what was the spark that set that off?'

I have also decided that if Time chooses a 'Person of the Decade', the most obvious choice to me is W. I can't think of anybody who has had a bigger and more
damaging effect on the world. What horrible things have come from his term. I can't think of any time in my life to match it, or even come close.

Bethy---did not take it as snark----but thanks for telling me, one thing that i haven;t done to well is think about thinking---now that sounds a little weird, but i was just told that i was.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-shuns-the-wright-factor.html#comment-164856

Ivy

Way back somewhere on the blog is a photograph of the Adam Smith crypt. I had to go to the canongate church and graveyard because I have more than a few ancestors there. We had a very nice lunch in a pub where my multi great grand used to have a Dairy business

Bethy...

I'm not sure Palin has any drive to help children with special needs. Yes, her youngest has Downs...and I've read that she has a sister who has a kid with autism...but I've heard NOTHING that tells me what form her help would take. I've just heard her ask that we elect her, and then children with special needs will have a friend in the WH. Thanks, but I have friends. I need someone who offers a truly constructive plan that will assure me that there really will be help...not only for children with special needs, but also for the adults they become.

The one thing I've heard her focus on is school vouchers, so parents of all children...those with disabilities included...can have school choice. Does she have any clue that the current laws governing the education of special needs students do not extend to private schools? I doubt it! If she did, she would know that it will take major legislative changes before it will be truly safe for most special needs kids to attend private schools. Private schools have no obligation to provide paras, therapists, etc., as the public schools do.

Obama has some major gaps in his platform, too, when it comes to dealing with the disability community. I don't have a problem with his stance on educating them, but I have major problems with his beliefs about their medical needs. Haven't heard Palin mention their medical needs.

My two cents worth....

Solar,

Don't be apologetic, go for it. if you got a problem with someone, let them know. UB's a big girl. She said she will deal with anything you , Patsi, me or anyone has to say. If english, written or spoken slows you down, then more reason to be straight forward. We're all about being big boys and girls here.

I'm glad you're here, more diversity of opinion. I fight (words) with several here but doesn't mean I don't care for them, except a couple folks. So be yourself.

Bethy----i started the food fight that was directed at me so no complaining from me, night

Rez---thanks--please don't look at it as being apologetic, i always try to go that extra little step that might avoid unpleasentness,,,i wont stand by and see osh made a victim, she has asked to be left alone,,,,if they think my putting out the hand of peace is weakness---so be it--

"How can she not have an answer for such simple questions as 'what magazines and newspapers do you read?"

Because the only real answer to that question is " F**k you"

Jack

Palin cut the funding for Special Olympics so that tells me all I need to know about her concerns for Special Needs Children.

Oh, harborwoman _ totally agree with you. I was speaking more to Palin's claim she made again the other day that she will work etc on needs of children with same - you know, her mantra, her drone. I think she looks a little uncomfortable holding that baby, and think it must be "advisors" who have her doing it. It's unnecessary and the older girl seems to like to hold him.

And vouchers????????????????What nerve!

I really don't understand your comment, Jack. I'd have an answer other than 'fuck you' to the question about what I read...and I would expect most thinking people to be able to respond without invective. Would you explain why you think she should have responded in that manner? I really don't get it.

Jack,

Damn, that wasn't a gotcha type question. It was her first major interview and people knew little about her.So it was more in line with "tell us a little about yourself". What do you read? what's you fav ____? At that point she had no reason to be defensive as you suggest.

Bethy...

I'll be charitable and say I really do think she'd like to help children with special needs. I just don't think she has any true understanding of those needs (yet)...and I think she'll find that lots of their needs will run right smack into her Republican ideology. But I don't think Obama has much more understanding of the true needs than she does. He just has better staff. Only time is going to tell whether or not he really gets it, and can really help.

Not by you fleahead,,,,,,,i will make it real easy for you----i will leave if you get OSH to tell me too.

Solar,

I wasn't suggesting weakness. My bad, I guess each of us reaches out differently.

hasta manana.

One thing that ub said was right (she said she doesn't read all my posts)--- it's enough about me but-----envy is not good ub----and posting so much is not either. ub i did look in that mirror--your turn

Solar - don't you dare leave whether or not another poster wants you to - that's silly. There are obviously plenty here who can corresond with you without invective, and enjoy it, also.

Reverend Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKa” Wright

"The National Republican Trust PAC will air the following advertisement in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida:

see video at link

This is the base giving a collective direction to where the campaign should have gone a long time ago,” said Rick Wilson, the consultant who made it."

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/28/late-night-reverend-jeremiah-god-damn-amerikkka-wright-open-thread/

Bethy----not going anywhere, just pulling back some,,,if you can.t critique yourself, someone else will---i haven't paid attention to a little hobby that i have-----get the signal from the satellites in space, to get free and legal signals for tv-----free to air they call it---gets canada too---but its all from the pc so i will jump in if it gets a little slow----or just to say hello,,,,sleep good

Already 10:40 in Amsterdam..
Is everyone still asleep or just tired of this election cycle.....