Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Gotta be quick around here...

And Craig as Obama told him last night "say it to my face". I don't think Grampa has the stones to do it.

http://www.historicmilton.com/events.html

Hey Craig,

They listed you on the events calendar...I wish I could be there for the "shorebird talk" tonight too...Bombay Hook NWF is one one my favorite birding spots...where I saw the peregrine falcon among other "firsts" (gosh, I'm homesick)...

Jeff Greenfield : "Bugs Bunny always beats Daffy Duck." We can add that Road Runner always beats Wiley E. Coyote.

If mccain wants to lose IN, WV, ND, MT, SD, TX, GA, and AZ, he is certainly going about it the right way.

I don't think Grampa has the stones to do it.

I believe McCain has faced much more terrifying, menacing individuals that Mr. Obama. So I doubt very much that McCain doesn't have the stones.

Anselm,

You must mean babybush in the 2000 SC Primary.

Ayres. Sen Obama has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

It's not about him facing a tougher competer it's about his showing the American people just what a scum bag of a candidate he's become.

Ayres. Sen Obama has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

Then Obama wins easily. But those who remember Ayres and his organization and what they did and what they planned to do will take Obama's judgment as to who he decided to associate with into account.

Keating. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

bin laden. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

saddam hussein. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

Dereg. Sen mccain has not convincnly shown that there is no there there.

Commie propaganda film. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

larry craig. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

Dog's Eye,

I thanked you at the end of the "That One" thread for the t-shirt link...I ordered one.

Ayres and his wife are no better than Timothy McVey and Terry Nichols. Their hatred for America came from opposite ends of the spectrum, but the means in which they demonstrated that hatred was on par with one another.

Jim hagee. Sen mccain has not convincingly shown that there is no there there.

I see you Flatus and raise you 6.

Is there anything left to "disclose?" If so, I guess we need it out in the open, now and not later, so we can make a fair judgment before heading to the polls. But if it's part and parcel to a campaign of lies or distortions and it succeeds, then a McCain win will be a dishonest win and another sad time our nation.

Obama is up by 9 in NH.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2008/NH08.html

You can spout about Ayers till Palin develops a 3 digit IQ, the public isn't listening. The Dow lost 680 points, a staggering rejection of the status quo.

Oops. I forgot the nastiest of them all :

babybush. Sen mccain has not shown convincingly that there is no there there.

Craig,

Reading your post reminds me once again how sad John McCain's campaign has become. Somebody needs to put that desperate, racist campaign to bed. I don't know if I have the stomach to endure this for three more weeks.

McCain doubles down. Obama doubles up his lead!

There's been some discussion about whether John McCain's announcement last week that he was pulling out of Michigan was some kind of stunt. Well, Rasmussen has the first polling out of the state since that announcement, and it gives Barack Obama a 16 point lead.. . .Rasmussen's internals, independents have gone from favoring McCain by 12 points on September 21 to favoring Obama by 11 now.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

McCain is a louse and he can say all he want about being a maverick, but he's a typical creepy Repug... through and through. I really dislike him.

And Craig it isn't exactly accurate referring to Ayers as a friend of Senator Obama, acquaintance would be the more accurate description of their relationship. Unless of course you're auditioning for Fox!

Mac is just about the most *unprincipled* man in Washington these days. I don't even think Bush and Rove would have engaged in the racially-coded attacks Mac and Palin have been making. It's sad that so many reporters still cling to the image of the McCain of 2000. The recent Tim Dickinson expose in "Rolling Stone" basically indicates that the "bipartisan" Mac of old was nothing more than a false image he cultivated to further his status. In the end, I think this campaign has shown that John McCain has *never* been a good man.

This can't be any kind of October surprise...Ayers made headlines 40years ago and Obama is 47 years old...McCain is crazy; even wacky Americans who actually voted for a failed president (Bush, in 2004), have to be able to see through this one.
I see McCain's people are seizing on the fact that Rezco is a Syrian . They are saying Rezco hates Israel so Obama does, too...even though Obama is the most pro-Israel candidate the USA has EVER run for president. Just listen to some of his speeches...on Israel, Obama is way to the right of the ruling factions of Israel, especially Olmert, who is now spouting off how wrong it is for Israel to be so aggressive towards Palestinians...easy for Olmert, as he is finished now.

you people bringing up Ayers are so full of shit.
Get over yourselves! Obama worked with the guy as an adult, AFTER Ayers gave up his past with the SDS radical arm. You are all acting like he choose to associate with Ayers because he admires bombing, killing innocents and creating chaos. If Obama was looking for THAT sort of association, all he had to do was hang around with George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Really, some of you are total trolls for the Repugs, and ok... go at it. But some of you really surprise me because I know you are better than that.

Sheesh, what a world !!

Ero Tom

You have it right, When in Kerry, of Gore, elections, the Limbaughs, Hannitys L Ingrams were on top they did not feel sorry for any Dem, that;s why they think the D's are weak---they know that you won't hit them when they are down---watch out for this, it's said here in Il that you can give a repug a knife he can kill all the liberal on the North Side of Chicago.

There was a time - and not that long ago - I would gladly have voted for McCain...but as the election has drawn closer, he has taken the low road with bad and disappointing choices at every step of the way. Tragic that the desperation of this campaign has "broken" him in ways his war-time captors never could.

great post ivy

Happy Birthday Bear! Did you hear from your daughter, 3 is such a cute age lol I'll have a drink for you here in NH!

Just days after John McCain scaled back his campaign in Michigan, a new Rasmussen Reports survey of voters there shows Barack Obama with a 16-point lead on his Republican opponent.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_presidential_election

Hot damn!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156923

Where's the lie for McCain?

The facts of their association are there for everyone to see. The lie's by Obama that he didn't know any of these things about Ayers (and others) are what's in question and defy believability. We need to be careful who we call names and accuse of a posible dishonest win.

Maybe McCain thinks he's doing us a favor. Someone has to ask the questions, and it sure ain't gonna be the media or his loyal, unquestioning followers.

bear is a daddy? cool. hey Bear happy birthday. I wish you much health and happiness...

Birthday ??? OBOYOBOYOBOYOBOYOBOYOBOY

Happy to you, Bear. Have the best year yet !

Obama campaign manager David Axelrod: ""Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school," he said. "They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Ax_on_Ayers.html

Cordiality is a good think Craig! Basic good manners. I know the rabid right expects Obama to spit on Ayers, but then again they'd expect him to spit on me too.

Craig, Your post from February promped me to do a search for another story. It say's pretty much the same thing, but McCain still thinks it's a lie apparently.

Obama Camp Rebuffs Ayers Connection

"On Monday, Axelrod said that Obama did not know about Ayers’s background when he attended a campaign reception at his house in 1995.

“When he went, he certainly didn’t know the history,” Axelrod told CNN, marking the first time the campaign has made this denial since the Ayers attacks surfaced months ago."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/07/obama-camps-rebuffs-ayers-connection/

The way this has come about, I think it proves a third thing, Craig.

The one you missed is that the war hero is really a coward.

He didn't have the guts to say it to Obama's face on Tuesday night. He sends out the b|tch pitbull and Miss Vicodin 1989 and hides behind their skirts.

"He sends out the b|tch pitbull"

Yeah Teebob,
You got it.
Outspoken women are all bitches.

Craig, further down in the Ben Smith article you referenced there is an update.

"Obama's kids went go the the University of Chicago Lab Schools, where Ayers kids, who are much older, had gone. However, Bernardine Dohrn is still active at the school, and an Obama aide said that was the connection." so the "go to school together" part is minimally misleading.

Chloe, had Obama chosen Palin as a running mate then the MSM and all his "blind faith" supporters would be lavishing the pick as TRANSFORMATIVE. No accounting with how one paints their political viewpoints.

"Outspoken women are all bitches."

My dear chloe - not at all.

Palin calls herself a pitbull.
Pitbulls are dogs.
Palin is a female.
Female dogs are bitches.

Ergo...

"...and by your words you will be judged."

The Unasked Question

"Mr. Halperin’s question was straightforward. At some point Barack Obama learned that William Ayers was a domestic terrorist and was unrepentant about it, Halperin says, yet at a minimum Obama continued to associate professionally (and perhaps personally) with Ayers after knowing about his past. Halperin then asks if it’s therefore reasonable to conclude that Obama, while having deplored the violent acts of Ayers, felt it was fine to continue to have professional associations with a domestic terrorist. The answer, of course, is yes – and watching Mr. Gibbs squirm and evade that simple, direct question tells you everything you need to know."
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/36922

Clearly, someone needs to track down the widow Annenberg -- ideally with an angry mob of torch- and pitchfork-wielding villagers -- and string her up for allowing a domestic terrorist to be involved in her philanthropic foundation.

How un-American of her.

This is earth shatter, Obama up by 8 in WV!

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2008/WV08.html

Chloe,
mccain's TOP 20 BIGGEST LIES :
1. osama bin laden is irrelevant 2. The banks can self-regulate 3. We're winning in Iraq 4. Obama is Muslim 5. Wall Street can self-regulate. 6.'til death do us part 7. Obama wasn't born in the US 8. We can muddle through in Afghanistan 9. Big Radio and TV can self-regulate 10. Obama supports terrorist 11. The mortgatge industry can self-regulate 12. Big Tobacco is just ducky 13. Michelle Obama hates America 14. Off shore oil drillers can self-regulate 15. Obama is racist 16. Waterboarding is just ducky 17. 'Surge' is working 18. Obama perverts kindergarteners 19. Big Health Insurance can self-regulate (from HQs in AZ) 20. Obama has mob connections.

Posted by: Animal Control | October 9, 2008 5:47 PM :
Chloe, had Obama chosen Palin as a running mate then the MSM and all his "blind faith" supporters would be lavishing the pick as TRANSFORMATIVE. No accounting with how one paints their political viewpoints.

Animal Control claims to see events that have not happened, are not happening now, and never will happen. The technical term for this talent is BS.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156955

xrepublican,
I'm 'only' questioning the honesty of some of Obama's answers to specific questions. To some people they're important, to others they're not. But there's nothing unfair and it's not "dirty politics" to ask them. I've never said anything that supposes that McCain is any better person than Obama. I'm sure there are questions you and others would like to ask McCain too. Why shouldn't we hold our politicians to high standards? They're in a position of trust, and we want to know what to expect from them.

The Alaska Supreme Court today rejected an attempt by a group of six Republican legislators to shut down the Legislature's investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin.

The ruling means that Steve Branchflower, the investigator hired by the Legislative Council, will release his report as scheduled on Friday.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/550940.html

Chloe it's not working, no one cares about this crap.

http://www.puma08.com/2008/10/09/pumas-dont-forget-to-say-you-are-voting-for-barack-obama-if-polled/

Happy Birthday, Bear!

And, Craig, may your campaign thrive! Elk included!

Chloe, great interview you referenced. Sargent Schultz of Hogans Heroes "I know nothing" waould have done bettr than Gibbs.

Keep up the good work.

As James Madison once wrote "...knowledge is power.."

"...knowledge is power.."

Yes it is Animal Control.
And I always hate making decisions without all the facts.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama plans to air a 30-minute commercial during prime time on Oct. 29, six days before Election Day.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign has secured the time from CBS and is negotiating with other networks to air the half-hour spot.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/09/politics/p000657D91.DTL&tsp=1

ct your link is absurd. You are joke for even posting it.

Yes x republican I also see you foaming at the mouth. Maybe you'd like to incinerate someone else today.
Do you recommend bullets first or Cyclon B

Chloe,
I just wanted to make sure that we all understand that mccain's allegations that Obama isn't forthcoming are balanced fairly against mccain's howlers.

Unfortunately, in my haste, I left out, "The S & Ls can self-regulate"

The economy is in free fall and you're posting PUMA link, a new level of stupidity achieved.

Animal Control,

If you see me foaming at the mouth, you had better stop drinking that stuff, before you get paresis.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156938

Exactly - Obama has said he was unaware of who Ayers was when he met him and attended a fundraiser Ayers held for him. Either you believe him or you don't. I take him at his word. I was going into college around the time Ayers and the Weather Underground was doing its deeds, and was aware of the Weather Undrground at that time, but if you had asked me 15 years ago who Bill Ayers was, I could not have told you. I do not think anyone who was going to a fundraiser held by a somewhat prominent professor who supported causes that the candidate also supported would have any reason to check into the background of the host of the fundraiser. Obama has less culpability wrt his relationship with Ayers than Obama does in his with Keating - and he took over $100,000 from Keating.

Chloe, I'm begining to believe that Carol has a good idea
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156960
there is a sports term for it "misdirection" works. You don't necessarily have to share your knowledge but then I personally would miss out.

Don't listen Carol. Enjoy your posts.

Ye shall be known by the company ye keep

Ayres, terrorist, admited communist
Rezko, convicted felon
Rev "God Damn America" Wright
Soros - socialist Chicago political machine
Mayor Daley - crooked chicago political machine
Acorn - voter fraud - one woman signed up 72 times
Davis - Obama mentor -sex pervert, suspected by FBI as russian spy. pornographer.
Louis Farrahkan
The list goes on and on
Politicians should be held to high standards.! The bar has lowered considerably with the above list.
It is not just innuendo..............

xrepug--anyone you want to incinerate tonight?

*watches the hysterics running around like chickens with their heads cut off*

american government and it's soldiers have incinerated many people......flamethrowers, incendiary bombs in dresden and elsewhere, the Atomic Bomb twice...........the USA is no slouch in people incineration.

what was the question again?

Animal Control,

Josef Mengele. Are you going to defend him, or attack capital punishment ?

oh.......forgot about napalm in vietnam..........

The other side run around with their heads stuck up their back sides. unwilling to even think their adored, could be other than the saint he is portrayed. He even has children now saying the national anthem to him and not the USA.
Get your head out of your backside and think for a change...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156960

The Puma link is one of the most ridiculous pieces I have read. I mean c'mon. bitter? table for one... I was going to vote for McCain when I was so pissed off with the primaries, but when I regained my common sense I realized what a stupid idea that would be for the future of my country. I don't understand some of my co-Hilary supporters thinking that voting for McCain will be some sort or "revenge" for the primaries. what would that prove? nothing. oh wait, it might prove that in spite of the anger over Hillary not getting the nomination, what Hillary says is not important. It's more important to act affronted and angry because she didn't win, and even when she says "please do don't this" they basically spit in her face by doing it anyway.

Strange!

xr, chloe is right - this is politics and asking the questions of Obama about something some believe he either should have known or did know and is now lying about (and I do not agree that he should have or did and is) is fair. And while Obama supporters do not care about that Ayers crap, that is not the case for everyone who is deciding who to vote for, anymore than Keating is or McCain's and Obama's more recent associations and positions on the war and the economy are.

As to that ARG WV poll result - all I can say is One Robin does not a spring make. I'm skeptical of that result - it flies in the face of what I'm seeing and hearing.

Julie take a deep breath, you're starting to sound panicked. Do you need a paper bag to breath into?

Sturge, agreed.
I do not advocate intentionally incinerating anyone under any circumstance.

Thanks pogo,

And I understand why you believe him. And I realize there are many people who don't care either way.

But I still can't see condemning those who do ask the question, for whatever reason.. That's all I was speaking to. The attacks on those who choose to ask (or dare to disagree). It's just really hard to sit back and watch.

Barack Obama has purchased a half-hour of primetime television on CBS and NBC, sources confirm.

The Obama campaign is producing a nationwide pitch to voters that will air on at least two broadcast networks. The ad will run Wednesday, Oct. 29, at 8 p.m. -- less than a week before the general election.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/obama-primetime.html

xrepublican, boy you like to change the issue. I don't care ---I am a liberal--I do not advocate incinerating anyone period. Unlike yourself, you will always find someone who is detestable enough for you to justify intentionally incinerating people. Your moniker should be REPUGNANT
I can see you in another life screaming "sieg heil"

Julie - Charles Keating, Rick Davis, Ralph Reed, Steve Schmidt, Thomas Loefler, and the list goes on. These are game changers for someone now claiming to offer real change in Washington - which is not change but taking the worst of what's there now to a new and higher level.

And for those who like Bill Press, or just don't like McCain, enjoy.

http://billpress.com/McCain101/

The attacks on those who choose to ask (or dare to disagree). It's just really hard to sit back and watch.

Posted by: chloe | October 9, 2008 6:39 PM

If they are repugs, these will certainly be attacked for trying to create conspiracy theories to damage a person's reputation. All they know is innuendo and attack. If they had an ounce of decency in their wretched bodies, they would look at the issues rather than something so superficial.

If they are not repugs... then i am totally lost. Go back to being pissed coz Hllary didn't get the nomination and nonetheless, doing exactly what she asked her supporters NOT to do...

I am truly gone to sleep now

Tom

chloe, I agree with you that the questions are appropriate and that pretending they aren't is childish. I WANT questions asked of both candidates, and neither I nor anyone else can dismiss them simply because we think they've already been sufficiently answered - we each have different standards and there are those like yourself who may not share each other's view, ergo, you are right, the questions are still appropriate. And Palin is still an idiot (that felt good) and she and her husband are lying (so did that).

"He even has children now saying the national anthem to him and not the USA."

Julie, I understand why you feel the way you do and have to say I agree with you. The things we complain about regarding Obama are not really all that political. They go more to character, honesty and humility. If we can't admire him as a human being, how can we want him to be our President. Trust is the most important issue in making a choice. Because all the things they are talking about are going to change.

ET, my last post to chloe was also meant to be directed to you. Hang tuff, brother.

Julie - that's the best shot you've got? Sheesh.

We're happy to let the McCain campaign sink itself even further into the septic tank.

Every time Palin -- her unfav rating is plummeting -- opens her yap, she puts another nail into both her and McCain's political futures. He'll retire rather than run for reelection to avoid the humiliating loss he's headed for otherwise. As for Palin -- she's spent the last month and a half as a walking punchline, and come Nov 5 will wander off into the long Arctic night, never to appear again on the national scene. Thank God.

"There will be no second-guessing the Obama campaign on decisions involving resources," Tracey said. "He's not doing this and pulling down [ad] buys in Florida. This is not an either/or decision. They've got 25 days and unlimited amounts of money."

tee hee

"And Palin is still an idiot (that felt good) and she and her husband are lying (so did that)."

LOL pogo.

odd question, but i heard on the radio that in an presedential election year you don't have to register to vote you can just show up in some states, does anyone know if that's true?

ET, don't take too much comfort from or read too much into Ayers not being convicted - his case was dismissed because of prosecutorial misconduct. Prosecutors think they are above the law and do incredibly stupid stuff, and criminals get off because of those stupid things much more often than the public realizes. Sleep well.

hannah, that's probably a misunderstanding based on the federal rule that in a federal election year a voter can only be removed from voter rolls within 90 days of an election because of death or by appearing personally at the voter registration office and requesting to be removed for certain enumerated reasons. Every state I've ever lived in requires that in order to vote you have to be registered by a date defined by state law.

Now, off to dinner.

Hannah, This article has deadline for states.

"You can't vote without registering and the registration deadline in your state may be coming up sooner than you think."
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081001/NEWS15/81001046/1008/news06

That's not true hannah, some states have same day reg and early voting.

This whole thing with little children being made to learn Obama hymns is unnerving. I saw that footage, and Good GAWD -- I'd think someone would be questioning this development. One more step toward Guyana-territory. George Bush certainly set the stage for some stupid shit to come down in this country.

If some teacher had my child singing that crap, and I wouldn't care if it was about FDR, I'd be horrified.

And there is not a doubt in my mind that if Sarah Palin had been Obama's pick, many here would be glassy-eyed and chanting her name.

isn't it funny to hear democrats suddenly "protecting the taxpayers" against mccain's push for helping homeowners. i mean, CBS reported tonight on paid-up renters IN CHICAGO losing their homes because their landlords can't pay their mortgage, and Obama attacks McCain's ideas for helping them.

Craig,

Not sure of how it might occur in next debate, but Obama seems to be baiting Mccain to ask him about Ayers to his face. JM may choose not to bother but he risks appearing weak imo.

If JM goes for it and asks about WA et al and Obama does a credible job in his response. Then that issue goes away for the most part. Now what's JM got for the remaining two weeks?

Today Is The Anniversary of the Weatherman’s “Days Of Rage”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/today-is-the-anniversary-of-the-weathermans-days-of-rage8221/

Craig, I have come to the conclusion that there is no more Democratic party. Just the Obamacrats.

I sure hope he delivers this promised land he's selling.

Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 9, 2008 7:25 PM

Doesn't the recent legislation permit Paulson the ability to assist landlords in your example.

Loudon: Even More Weathermen For Obama — Connections, Connections, Connections

Happy Birthday, Bear. Maybe we can get Craig to give you one of his elk?

Any relation to the Weatherman here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwyjmSbJPs

Craig, McCain's "plan" isn't a plan, it's a desperate hail marry (yet another one) to make it seem like McCain has a plan. Buying up bad mortgages at full face value is just stupid. The courts were giving the power to renegotiate mortgages last week.

And you're mixing issues. The sheriff is looking after innocent renters, taking the property is not going to toss the owner out on the street, but the innocent tenant. Do you have a problem with that?

And BTW what plan would that be, the one McCain announced at the debate, or the amended one his staff scrambled to come up the next day after they had realized yet again that Grampa had stuck his foot in his mouth already.

Ok, I have said the snarky things. Now to serious.

Senator Obama has yet to tell you what he is going to change. He has yet to tell you after 19 months of campaigning what his policies and agendas are going to be. He has virtually said nothing except trust me. With the economy in the tank and the probability of a democratic senate and house.. Why should be say anything? He is not now and will not be held accountable for anything. When he takes office, he will do not one thing but sit in the chair and preen, as if it is his god given right to be there.. After all no one questioned him. The media is in his corner..
Yes, Bush has been the worst president ever. Everyone wants him out. But to blindly put a man into office is not a good thing. He will then say he has the mandate of the people to do exactly what he wants and to heck with the people. After all you put him there. He will just tell the congress this is what I want , now do it..
So if we few are bandied about for asking questions, it is on your shoulders when it all falls apart and you want to complain and cannot,you did not ask and after all why should he be held accountable for one single thing?
I for one am totally disgusted with this politcal season.
So I will say no more except good luck...see you after this is all said and done..

From TD Blog:
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Why are people at Obama rallies doing a Hitler Salute?

Obama’s “SIGN OF PROGRESS”:

Obama followers demonstrate the Sign-of-Progress Salute:

“Hitler’s hands as he speaks of the unity of the National Socialist and socialist ideas.”

(see link for images)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/the-salute/
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"The hands of the Führer organize his speech. This picture captures Hitler's hands as he speaks of the unity of the National Socialist and socialist ideas."

http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitler2.htm

"The courts were giving the power to renegotiate mortgages last week. "

gotta link for that statement

Dear Chloe and Julie, don't waste your time, they're not listening, they're not listening still, I guess they never will. Just sit back and watch it all fall down.

I can't remember another instance of someone so blatantly selling their soul in order to win. George H.W. Bush did a pretty good job by reversing his position on abortion in order to be tapped as Reagan's running mate, but the prolonged self-destruction of McCain's long-established reputation for integrity and decency is truly frightening to behold. I have trouble believing this is the same man whose campaign I contributed to in 2000.

From TD Blog:
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Farrakhan calls Obama ‘The Messiah’

"Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, with a creepy grin on his face, calls Obama THE MESSIAH in this just released, and very short, video from a Feb. 2008 event:

“You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”

(see link for video)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/farrakhan-calls-obama-the-messiah/

Don McLean-Bye Bye Miss American Pie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GB0f47BMak

Ho........ly...........Fu........ck

""Our goal is to see a crowd of 75,000 people at Obama's nomination speech holding their hands above their heads, fingers laced together in support of a new direction for this country, a renewed hope, and acceptance of responsibility for our future," says Rick Husong...

'Let's try and start a movement where even while walking down the street, people would hold up the O and you would know that they were for Obama,'

"We want to see it everywhere, but more importantly we want this sign to take the world by storm.""

-From U.S. News and World report
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/8/7/one-nation-under-a-new-obama-salute.html

WAKE UP

Correction:

I said Obama had children saying the Nationals anthem to him and not USA.
WHat I meant to say: Obama has children saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE to HIM not to the USA..
It was on one of the political sites, probably can be found on U Tube.

'Let's try and start a movement where even while walking down the street, people would hold up the O and you would know that they were for Obama,'

...and if you don't?

Bye Bye Miss American Pie--
dedicated to oldseahag

"don't waste your time, they're not listening, they're not listening still, I guess they never will. Just sit back and watch it all fall down." Posted by: oldseahag | October 9, 2008 7:55 PM

It doesn't matter whether anyone listens or not sea.
What's important is that we all have the right to say anything we want without being censored. And ridiculing and intimidation is just another form of censorship.

You're right sock, my mistake, last week's bailout plan did not include a provision for judges to renegotiate first mortgages, that is something Obama has discussed in his stump speech.

Wow animal control, very clever.

"I for one am totally disgusted with this politcal season.
So I will say no more except good luck...see you after this is all said and done.."

Julie, We NEED you here.

Chloe- You are absolutely right about censorship. I guess for me it comes down to directing my energy more constructively and towards those who are willing to discuss.,

And lets get facts straight folks, Obama didn't have anyone saying the pledge to anyone, that was the silliness of over zealous supporters, think of them as the Obama version of PUMA!

Kinky (at least I think it was Kinky) had a good one on Imus this morning. Axelrod of evil.

Animal Control,
You asked a Q, and I answered you. Your comments to me indicate that you are either soft on nazis or opposed to capital punishment, so I asked you a Qin return, and you ducked it. However, you once again to the opportunity to engage in illiberal abuse.

pogo,

Stipulated. However, yours is not a description of the actual work of palin, mccain, Chloe, GORDO, Julie Young, Flatus, Bowmanc, ping pong, or Animal Control. (Apologies to those rebublicans whom I have inadvertently forgotten.) When a Q with political value has been answered, yet the questioner repeatedly claims the Q has not been answered, it is no longer a Q, but rather an exercise in demogoguery, dishonestly disguised as a Q. Obama has answered about Ayers, and it is nothing less than a lie to say that he has not. There are various terms used for people who knowingly tell lies, including 'fibber', 'liar', 'poseur', 'fraud', 'faker', 'phony', 'swindler', 'munchausen', 'fabulist', and 'bullshitter'.

The big controversy should be, do republicans even know the what they say is untrue ? It is an American tradition to make allowances for those who experience delusions.

Champ et al

You might practice learning the difference between a blog article and the news. Every campaign has fringe wackos as well typified by some of the kooks attending McCain/Palin rallies. That doesn't mean that the campaign approves or endorses their activities.

Jamie,

It's baffling how someone so smart can be so stupid.

I'm going to watch the game, and I won't even be able to enjoy it.

Done.

"I for one am totally disgusted with this politcal season.
So I will say no more except good luck...see you after this is all said and done.."

If I can't win, I don't want to play, I'm taking my marbles and I'm going home.

another one dedicated to oldseahag

Vincent (Starry Starry Night) Don McLean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM

"the News"... Ha.

GORDO,

Earlier today you were accusing Obama of being a leftist. Now you are accusing him of being on the farthest right of right-wingers, a nazi.

Explain your confusion, please.

I don't know what that pledge issue is...what I was talking about is some schools having kids sing an anthem to Obama...I saw it on The View today (two separate schools and similar hymn-type songs of O-worship)....the tapes even caused Whoopi (who is totally in the O-tank) to shake her head.

It was unsettling to say the least.

Thanks for that lovely respite Animal.

X GORDO considers Obama to be a hybrid.

I'll say this so everyone understands what I'm saying.

The Republican Party, The McCain\Palin Campaign {Including all Staff and voices}, John McCain, Sarah Palin and there television operatives and speakers are attempting to incite their supporters to Assassinate Senator Obama.

They are pushing a lie insinuating that not only does Senator Obama have ties to Terrorists that he is also a Muslim, a possible sleeper cell leader, that he don't love America as much as they do, he's UN American and he wants to hurt America. And oh by the way he's Black.

In Palin's Clearwater rally a supporter yelled "kill him" says it all. Just like at a McCain rally when he used the line "Who is Barrack Obama" a supporter yelled "Terrorist". There have also been reports were Senator Obama was called a "Traitor".

They want someone to Assassinate Senator Obama and that's the facts.

And this should be out there in the public so that if God Forbade this would happen then everyone will know that they "The Republican Party, The McCain\Palin Campaign {Including all Staff and voices}, John McCain, Sarah Palin and there television operatives and speakers" that they are personally responsible for this terrible tragedy.

And they should all be charged with Conspiracy to Commit Murder and any and all charges that may apply.

Here's a correction my error sock:

McCain proposed to write down the amount owed by over-mortgaged homeowners and claimed the idea as his own: “It’s my proposal, it's not Sen. Obama's proposal, it's not President Bush's proposal.” But the idea isn’t new. Obama had endorsed something similar two weeks earlier, and authority for the treasury secretary to grant such relief was included in the recently passed $700 billion financial rescue package.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

As I originally said, just another of McCain's hail mary passes, boy they are getting boring.

Xrepublican- I believe these people have told you all many, many times that they have been life long dems. Please accept that and try to at least recognize that there are many disillusioned dems across the country.

Patsi the video of the 5 or 6 years old with the "O" tee shirts singing was somewhere in Tennessee and was originally on the link below--there is still something there but not those very, very young (has been removed). I think the Teacher was put on leave.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/30/singing-the-new-gospel-of-the-new-messiah/

The markets have no faith in a bailout that puts $700 B!LL!ON into the hands of the same swindlers and nincompoops who got us into this mess.

We need a plan that terminates for cause all the execs and boards, and replaces them with well qualified, unsullied people. Since this is not about to happen next week, I plan to buy dirt cheap stocks just before election day.

Oh, Gawd. I should have known it happened in Tennessee. We once voted a guy into office after he ran his campaign from his jail cell.

Speaking of which, where the hell did Belmont get those zombies who showed up for the "debate"???

And Jamie, I'm sorry; I don't like being rude. The reason I would direct a comment like that to you is because I respect your intelligence and your literacy. I would just hope, in light of that, you would be more critical. It seems as if hope is the order of the day; that, and fear. I'm immune to neither.

oldseahag,

I have never found any reason to doubt you.

I understand that there are many here who are either honest republicans or honest Democrats, and who post items critical of Obama or his campaign. However, I cannot believe anyone who ignores the decades worth of mccain's claims, falsifying his stands, but who recaps here, everday for months, the latest mccain campaign talking points, the right-wing blogs, and e-news, are anything but republicans.

In an anonymous forum, where there is no reason to fear retaliation or exposure, I find such charlatanry repugnant.

Patsi, it was called "Sing for Change Obama" wanted to let you know, it may yet be available again.

Have fun everyone

More good news!

Hispanics turn cold shoulder to McCain. Bueno!

Same goes for most Tribal leaders.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14444.html

Champ

Truthfully I just get very tired of rumor and opinion being treated as if it were some kind of mandate issued from the throne.

Every campaign and neither Obama or McCain are an exception have more than slightly crazed wackos. To quote those wackos or show their creations with intimations that either McCain or Obama campaigns have ordered their activities strikes me as very, very odd.

Having said that, I find myself thinking along the lines of AP in that if a candidate does not reject the words of haters then they are tacitly encouraging their actions and the McCain folks really do need to issue a statement denouncing some of the weirdos they are attracting.

Jamie check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

Although new to this blog I have observed one so-called manly-man who like to demean females every chance he gets. How manly of you.

'Rednecks for Obama' want to bridge yawning culture gap

Hey Jack, Found you a support group :-)

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/_Rednecks_for_Obama_want_to_bridge__10092008.html

Patsi,
aI found what I thought you mentioned but I was wrong, it was not Tennessee but Venice California--click the link and see if this is what you referenced.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/sing-for-change-obama/748377972

There are so many hard to keep track.

The guy Zucker that had a hand in producing it has ties to Obama.

Obama is brilliantly manipulating the "Ayers Issue". Say it to my face!

hannah, re: same day registration ... nine states have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_Registration

"Nine states have some form of Election Day Registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Wyoming."

"In my neighborhood, when you've got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him."

-- Sen. Joe Biden, quoted by NBC News, pressing Sen. Barack Obama's challenge to Sen. John McCain for next week's debate.

He's hiding behind his women.

xr,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-157030

Stipulated and we agree as it applies to McCain and his campaign. Believe me, I don't think McCain is asking the Ayers question as a question. He's trying to use the same technique some of us trial attorney types (on both sides of the v.) where when a proper foundation is laid (and asking the question umpteen times is not laying aproper foundation) the question becomes more important than the answer. I meant to imply that if the question is asked for the purpose of getting a serious answer...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-157056

How do you define "has ties"? From one to ten with one being obama "recognizes the name when reminded of his existence", and ten being "comes to dinner regularly at the family home", just how close are these "ties"

How do you define "has ties"

7 degrees from Kevin bacon?

Er 6 lol

Well, as hard as it may be to understand they are indeed dems. I think it would be more helpful to take a look at why they seem to prefer a repub now, And no , for those who cry race., the answer isn't because Obama is black. We have all stated our various reasons many times. I perfectly understand how Jamie and the other dems who have remained loyal, as I was one of them for 31 years. I don't ever remember having a heated argument with a dem before like this election. (Did argue with my father after many cocktails over the israeli camps in Palestine but we always backed off- he really was in Patton's Army and so I'd give it up to him.) I did divorce a man who became a repub- just couldn't stand the ugliness of it all.

I know Viv and I went around with ET months ago explaining our position, despite our efforts he still reduces us all to angry and vengeful hillary supporters. So now she is gone, and so are lots of others.

It just seems to me that when dems are arguing with dems like this , it should be a wake up call. Nobody is about to change others minds at this late date. Perhaps .if we could accept each others choices, we could get on with other conversation - like what to do about this economy.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-156960

Turnabout is fairplay -- I tell all the pollsters that I'm a mean old PUMA and just haven't made up my mind about who to vote for. Hah! So I get selected to be on network focus groups for the debates, Hah! I tell them I think McCain did great! Hah! But that I also think Obama makes some valid points. Hah!

Nanny nanny boo boo. As you jam, some of us are jamming right back.

Think Ayers is all the Repubs have to use against SoetorObama? This has always been part of the attack plan. SoetorObama has a "hidden" past. The American people should be told the TRUTH about his "hidden" past. What is his legal name. Let's see the documents.

Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 9, 2008 9:36

Carol & Diva, All I can say is. . Sad

oldseahag,
I don't doubt you, Viv, profmarcia, maggie, Patsi, rr, or several others who are p.o.ed w/the Obama campaign. And, I don't blame you. But when someone regularly offers a link to a neocon or mammonist blog or enewsletter to 'prove' that Obama is a bogey, well, I just think that is the sign of a republican pretending to be a Dem, like milquetoast.

And, I don't have much trouble with republicans who are honest and open. Including Champ, although he and I had some go 'rounds, too. I consider him honest, and I hope he thinks the same of me.

Thanks for your time. I have to go to bed now. Sweet dreams to you.

"This has always been part of the attack plan."

LOL, G Man, that's keen!. . .playing army again..

GORDO if I had a dollar for every prediction of yours that came true I'd be in hock up to my ass. What makes you think anyone with an IQ above that of a the common subway rat believes anything you have to say?

GORDO,

Did you feel this way about President Leslie King, too ?

X- thanks and sleep tight.

"When a Q with political value has been answered, yet the questioner repeatedly claims the Q has not been answered, it is no longer a Q, but rather an exercise in demogoguery, dishonestly disguised as a Q. Obama has answered about Ayers, and it is nothing less than a lie to say that he has not. There are various terms used for people who knowingly tell lies, including 'fibber', 'liar', 'poseur', 'fraud', 'faker', 'phony', 'swindler', 'munchausen', 'fabulist', and 'bullshitter'."

XR it's stuff like yours, which I believe pretty accurately sums up the feelings of many on the extreme left, that makes me reject that wing of the Democratic Party and the candidate it so ardently supports.

Gordo - anyone who listens to Hannity is privy to the RWNC attack plans. Hannity (much like you) alternates between spilling his guts and promising dramatic revelations that never come or never quite pack the punch he promises. He's been mewling about Ayers for months.

Listening to Stephanie Miller a little tonight, and apparently Holy Joe is now talking with worldnetdaily as his connection to the media - I doubt that any reputable outlet will talk with him any more. The only silver lining about all this crap with Holy Joe is that he is considering not caucusing with the Dems after the inauguration. Good riddance.

That post sure got a response. You guys never did understand that the Repubs would use the damaging info in the LAST four weeks of the campaign. The TRUTH is SoetorObama's enemy - he has a "hidden" past.

FIX IT! FIX IT!

Gordo , do you remember posting number clues for me once- was that about acorn or something else yet?

Hey everyone -- Divalicias is me, Alicia Knight. Typekey did something strange and when I reset my password, it reverted to my original nom de plume.

BTW, the so-called PUMAs in my areas are now writing checks to Obama. My ladies luncheon was almost 100 percent PUMA, and now everyone is chattering about where to find the latest lapel buttons for Obama. There is only one PUMA left that I know of and she was never really a part of our group. She is now hanging out at GOP HQ and calling herself the "leader" of Democrats for McCain. but she was never a member of the local DEM committee. She never joined despite many requests that she join, so I wonder about why she's calling herself a DEM. She's actively campaigning against the DEM nominee, and in my book that makes one NOT a DEM. IN maybe, but not DEM.

Pogo---------------------------

Wrong. Not on Hannity or other MSM outlets.

yeah yeah yeah GORDO you said the exact same thing about Hillary and the last weeks of the primary season. No one believes you, you've become the running joke of this blog.

"You guys never did understand that the Repubs would use the damaging info in the LAST four weeks of the campaign. "

That's bull Gordo. Actually I think they waited a little to late , but of course they sure didn't count on the house of cards crashing this soon either. The impact of the smut will be neturalized if the markets don't stablize.

sea-----------------------

Not ACORN

So how about a few more clues?

I sure misread your post Alicia. But I feel bad for anyone if all they can do during this election is play a deceitful game.

If the McCain people think that putting on Ayers is helping their candidate, I can only say that in my PUMA world, more PUMAs are stepping over to the Obama campaign -- and giving him money now -- and many of them are saying that they are sick and tired of McCain's foolishness -- Palin, kitchen sink sludge campaigning, antagonistic debate style, stupid shenanigans to save the bail out bill, etc. These PUMAs all have money and they don't want to trust their accounts to someone who seems as unsteady and unbalanced as McCain.

Trust me, they hated Obama before and swore they'd never vote for him and now they're whipping out their wallet and writing big checks. McCain/Palin is a whole lot scarier than any washed up, ex-hippy, SDS, Weatherman and his old lady.

flatus, I have to agree with xr on this one - that is a technique McCain is using re: Ayers. In essence it;s repeating a question that requires Obama to prove what he didn't know when he met Ayers. He's answered that he wasn't aware of Ayers' past but the answer is rejected, and the question is repeated. It is dishonest. xr goes further with his (her? - I really don't know) explanation than I would - but (s)he's right about what the McCain campaign and some here are doing. There is a very easy way to counter that technique, and for the life of me I can't understand why Axelrod screwed it up. To an extent it's the same thing that the nitwits who repeatedly and loudly repeat Obama's middle name with the transparent attempt to (not so) subtly connect him with middle eastern muslim terrorists - I'd wager than many of them don't know the full name of their own candidate.

Rez --- Some of us play deceitful games because others are play deceitful games. When PUMA are out there lying and trying to swing polls, we gotta push back -- and we do.

"Think Ayers is all the Repubs have to use against SoetorObama? This has always been part of the attack plan. SoetorObama has a "hidden" past. The American people should be told the TRUTH about his "hidden" past. What is his legal name. Let's see the documents."

"Posted by: GORDO | October 9, 2008 9:36 PM"

GORDO, why don't you just admit you want Senator Obama dead?

Well I can't dispute you there if the VA polls are any indication.

Anon[paranoid- That is beyond the pale and just plain creepy

Flatus...

The Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott, I believe that was his name, is under investigation and could lose his job. There was also something said about losing federal funding as well.

Gordo - learn to read. The PLAN is apparent - Hannity HAS been teasing complaining that the MSM hasn't pursued the Ayers quesitons he wants answered (it has been). I'm sure there are other revelations that the nutcases you read plan to suggest for the next 3 weeks - sort of the throw everything you can find against the wall and see if anything will stick approach - but since about 37 people read them, if they can't get Hannity or some other widely followed mouthpiece to carry their water, few more than that 37 and the people who visit here and the other blogs where you post your preposterous links will know about them, and that ain't enough voters to swing the election.

If Gov. Sarah Palin, by John McCain's estimation, "knows more about energy than probably anyone in the United States of America," then why is she getting such basic facts about our nation's energy production wrong?. . .

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hDHjImXhY5yb3BNTWUbOmN5J5ZZwD93NA8PO0

Figures!

Anon's point is valid, If I were in the Secret Service I'd certainly make sure GORDO is on the watch list.

I really don't care if anyone believes what I say or not. The facts are out there in front of your eyes. So are the words.

If you refuse to see and hear whats in front of you and deny what you see and hear that's your right to do so.

The facts are there whether you refuse to see them or not.

Rez -- Let me tell you -- I live in a red county in VA -- nothing but Obama signs in my neighborhood which is so close to Quantico we regularly hear the 50 cal from our front yards. Obama signs are really hard to come-by since Obama doesn't believe in signs. These people are buying their signs for $5.00 each. On the vehicles the Globe and Anchor stickers share bumper space with Obama stickers (Also paid for.) There are now 2 Obama campaign offices in the county. Last weekend, we had 500 people show up to go canvassing, and the staff had to scramble to get materials for all the teams. This weekend parents are busy fetching their college kids to come back home to vote, and the voter registration office will be open on Columbus Day for "absentee in person" voting. Change is coming? It's here!

Pogo, you know exactly that the Obama side of the campaign has said things at least as bad about Sen McCain. And, I have not characterized any individual saying something I disagreed with using the words. "...it is nothing less than a lie to say that he has not. There are various terms used for people who knowingly tell lies, including 'fibber', 'liar', 'poseur', 'fraud', 'faker', 'phony', 'swindler', 'munchausen', 'fabulist', and 'bullshitter'."

I especially don't like having my good name identified as someone who is a 'fibber', 'liar', 'poseur', 'fraud', 'faker', 'phony', 'swindler', 'munchausen', 'fabulist', and 'bullshitter'.

And, I'm surprised you'd legitimize such an identification.

Also, it is simply not credible to believe that during the decade since he first met Mr Ayers, that he didn't become aware of his unrepentant past. His defense is so like the defense he used up to the time that the Rev Wright fiasco went ballistic.

Rea, don't waste your time - Godo is just too obtuse by a half. We've heard this before, and now we'e back to the same BS questions about birth certificates, real names, yada, yada, that they yapped about all summer. I wait with bated breath.

This so-called Ayers connection to the mighty O is a non starter, because the two were not hanging out plotting treason. BUT -- I think the people here who shrug off Ayers might want to reconsider. Ayers and that crowd of thugs almost destroyed the anti-war movement.

Where is this discussion going tonight???

"The Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott, I believe that was his name, is under investigation and could lose his job. There was also something said about losing federal funding as well."

AP, I really don't care which way it falls out--so long as due process is followed.

Gordo HAS NEVER MADE ANY VIOLENT STATEMENTS. Your accusing him of wanting obama dead is highly offensive and totally out of civilized bounds

Politico has now has Obama at 353 electoral votes, they have moved all the swing states to the Obama side!

pogo-----------------

Pogo - learn to think. You are like Warren, he thinks Hannity is a good source of info. In fact, you and other consumers of MSM don't have any knowledge about SoetorObama's "hidden" past. Are you afraid of the TRUTH? YES !!!

"The only silver lining about all this crap with Holy Joe is that he is considering not caucusing with the Dems after the inauguration. Good riddance."

Worth repeating: GOOD RIDDANCE.

Flatus,
There's is a significant difference when the candidates themselves are making the comments.

oldseahag, he's obviously obsessed with Obama's downfall, and I certainly have doubts as just how stable he is. As I said if I were in the Secret Service I would put him on the watch list. Stable people don't spend their day posting cryptic code msges all over the place, his behavior at the very least is disturbing and warrants attention. And for that matter so does the campaign of your chosen candidate, who now has turned his campaign rallies into exercises of whipping up racist hatred. But perhaps you don't find cries of "Kill him" disturbing. Many of us do.

Saturday Night Live Weekend Edition Thursday Night is on NBC on Thursday nights at 9:30 ET.

It's their newest stuff.

tt

"This so-called Ayers connection to the mighty O is a non starter, because the two were not hanging out plotting treason. BUT -- I think the people here who shrug off Ayers might want to reconsider. Ayers and that crowd of thugs almost destroyed the anti-war movement."

Patsi, all Sen Obama had to say was something like, "Sometime after Dr Ayers sponsorship of my candidacy I became aware of his past activities during the 60s and 70s. The man I know was not the man who participated in those activities. The Bill Ayers I know is a fine man working the betterment of the entire Chicago community."

When all is said and done he has done nothing but push fear mongering about Senator Obama.

Same as McCain and Palin are doing now. Trying incite so much fear and hatred of Senator Obama that one of the nuts will go nuts just like the one who opened fire inside a church with his shotgun to kill liberals.

Haven't McCain and Palin called Senator Obama a liberal who is dangerous for are Country?

Yes they have.

flatus - you know full well that I don't agree with any such characterization of you, and I agree with it to the extent it applied to anyone on particular - I was only acknowledging the validity of xr's pointing out the technique being used didn't mean to agree with anything beyond that or to it applying to you, or to anyone in particular. As I said, xr goes further than me - you can say you don't buy Obama's answer, but you can't say he hasn't answered, and to continue to ask the question to suggest hyour answer rather than be direct about not buying his answer unless you will accept only for YOUR answer, not HIS is disingenuous. Tha's all I'm sayin'.

Frankly, I'm not sure who I'd put on a watch list. It's anon who has been pushing this assassination concept for months. Not good, IMO.

Pogo---------------------

Mr. Lawyer -- have you been keeping up with the Berg lawsuit? SoetorObama and the DNC are doing everything possible to hide the TRUTH from the American people. His "hidden" past is devastating.

www.dailyhowler.com nails it:

"Rushing off to the handshake wars: In January, Barack Obama may become president. If he does, he will enter the White House at a difficult time. In the intellectual realm, the national interest would be well served by intelligent progressive and liberal leadership—by the type of work which clarifies difficult issues, making it easier for centrists and conservative-leaners to see the possible virtue in Obama’s positions and approaches.

But alas! Increasingly, the liberal web feeds on the childish frameworks which have long driven conservative talk. "

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/mccain-doubles-down.html#comment-157012

Julie -- Obama can sit in a chair and preen all he wants -- as long as he signs into law the legislation developed by the Democratic Congress. The market will take a 1000 point jump when Obama wins.

As far as the songs go, please. It's not the new facism. Maybe campaign music and art is annoying, but look at all those buildings named after Reagan. The old political campaigns all had original songs -- Kennedy's High Hopes? I remember singing that one as a tot.

"and I DIDN'T agree with..."

Kennedy campaign song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nplm1G7t5UE

tres annoying!

I like Ike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va5Btg4kkUE&NR=1

Creepy! Fascist!

Nikkei has already lost 10% of it's value since opening.

Gag alert -- Nixon NOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZfN7cdm_M&feature=related

I believe it's the Mike Curb Congregation signing in this one. Uber Creepy-fascist!

Hong Kong has already dropped 8%

gimme a link, Gordo. Otherwise its just more innuendo. (What am I saying?)

Kennedy Campaign Song High Hopes --- Sung by that guy with Mob ties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y-DaQfBvM

Well, I've had enough of this day. Bye now.

Come on, Alicia -- did you ever have a teacher line you up to sing the praises of a political candidate? Something extremely bizarro with that.

The Palins are associated with the Alaska Separatist Party founded by Joe Vogler.

Meet Sarah Palin’s radical right-wing pals

Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin’s political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy. “Her door was open,” says Chryson — and still is.

Editor’s note: Research support provided by the Nation Institute Investigative Fund. For Salon’s complete coverage of Sarah Palin, click here.

By Max Blumenthal and David Neiwert

Oct. 10, 2008 PALMER, Alaska — | On the afternoon of Sept. 24 in downtown Palmer, Alaska, as the sun began to sink behind the snowcapped mountains that flank the picturesque Mat-Su Valley, 51-year-old Mark Chryson sat for an hour on a park bench, reveling in tales of his days as chairman of the Alaska Independence Party. The stocky, gray-haired computer technician waxed nostalgic about quixotic battles to eliminate taxes, support the “traditional family” and secede from the United States.

So long as Alaska remained under the boot of the federal government, said Chryson, the AIP had to stand on guard to stymie a New World Order. He invited a Salon reporter to see a few items inside his pickup truck that were intended for his personal protection. “This here is my attack dog,” he said with a chuckle, handing the reporter an exuberant 8-pound papillon from his passenger seat. “Her name is Suzy.” Then he pulled a 9-millimeter Makarov PM pistol — once the standard-issue sidearm for Soviet cops — out of his glove compartment. “I’ve got enough weaponry to raise a small army in my basement,” he said, clutching the gun in his palm. “Then again, so do most Alaskans.” But Chryson added a message of reassurance to residents of that faraway place some Alaskans call “the 48.” “We want to go our separate ways,” he said, “but we are not going to kill you.”

Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin’s campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory.

Read the whole 3 page story at link below.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

So the question is. Who does Sarah Palin put first?

Alaska or America.

The Palin's associations say she would put Alaska before America since their associates hate everything America stands for.

I think I read the teacher was busted too.

pogo------------------------

Berg's site:

http://obamacrimes.com/

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This a link to a law student friend of Berg:

http://www.americasright.com/

Frankly, considering anon's constant drumbeat, I wonder if the whole blog might be on a watch list.

Oh but hag it's just not Obama's birth certificate, he's also accused him of being involved in a murder, have sex with men in hired cars, doing drugs with the men he as sex with in cars. There are many others that I just don't recall at the moment, but hey if you want to defend him knock yourself out.

As you and yours have become fond of saying about Obama one is known by the company one keeps. I will apply your standard to you and judge you by the company you keep.

Vogler was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfulling his wish that he not be buried under the American flag.

Why does Sarah Palin hate America?

"Frankly, considering anon's constant drumbeat, I wonder if the whole blog might be on a watch list."

See Ya. . . . lmao

Rez -- I think anybody coaching kids in partisan politics as a classroom activity ought to be reprimanded. I can imagine the howling that would be going on if some teacher had a little Bush Bot sing along. I'd be at the school in a heartbeat, even if it was my candidate. Especially if it was my candidate.

LIsten you asshole, don't you dare DARE accuse ;me of wanting to commit murder. You are a miserable little creep. Have you ever considered sex?. I imagine it might be difficult for you to find a willing partner, so why don't you just go abuse yourself in the good old catholic meaning. Your evident frustration might be relieved and improve our lives as well.

I hope she gets indicted next week for abuse of her office.

GORDO did not say I was wrong did he?

All he has to do is say I'm wrong and he does not want to see Senator Obama dead. Why hasn't he said that?

Perhaps I'm right, think about that why don't you.

Damn this discussion went to hell in a NY second. LOL

You are a sick man too.

Boy Rez for an indian you're a pretty funny guy, you must be a part of the Fuckawe tribe.

Now now OSH, easy does it girl, I'm just judging you by the company you keep, take a deep breath honey and breath slowly. And actually I had an adult encounter about 6 hours ago. When did you last get some?

It's a NY minute, not second, LOL

Nah, I rescinded my membership where I found my way. :-)

A New York minute is an informal term used to mean a very short period of time. The term refers to the common perception that the people in New York City are hurried and impatient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_York_minute

cool, I knew you'd get the joke, LOL.

Tucker will be 11 in March, and Ralphie will be 5 on xmas day.

"Ayers and that crowd of thugs almost destroyed the anti-war movement. -- Posted by: Patsi"

most interesting point, Patsi. so glad you're back

Btw, my ex was from up there so I was misinformed.

Listen you piece of shit, I've seen you bully people and call countless people racists and now you're on to murder as well. and I won't stand by and tolerate it. You sick sociopath.

Patsi - Are you referring to that video with the kids in Obama shirts singing the Obama is Glorious song (or whatever it was.)

One of my PUMA pals sent me that one and even she said it wasn't in a school it was in someone's house in LA and the parents attended the session.

Let me see if I can find it -- to see if we're talking about the same thing.

~Alicia

Easy there lady, I haven't called you or accused of anything. Though i have to say I do find your behavior here tonight a tad, how shall I say, erratic. But I here erratic behavior is all the rage among the McCain set. Tell me OSH what's your opinion on the fundamentals on the economy, sound yes or no?

Yep. This is the one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI

Look, it's VENICE CA -- what can I say? I completely believe that it's the parents idea -- but WHATEVER!!! THE world is breaking in two and we're worried about a goofy campaign video?

If you want to see videos of children worshiping a political figure you should go to youtube and see the trailers from Jesus Camp.

It has Ted Haggart in it and it also has children worshiping a cutout cardboard figure of George Bush.

Know who would have thought that Christians would brainwash children?

I didn't catch where the song fest was held, Alicia. I saw it on the View, and they thought it was bizarre as well. If it was in someone's house, that's one thing. In school is another. I don't even like kids having to recite the Pledge of Allegiance....

Jesus Camp was a great film, talking in tongues set, very scary. I "love" the part where the 11 y/o girl calls none snake handling houses of worship "dead churches"

Your brain-washing bad. My brain--washing good.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

Short memory, you've crossed the line too many times. I told you a long time ago to back off and I have successfully avoided you since. I sit back and watch you abuse people daily. You and anon were entirely OUT OF BOUNDS with your accusations. And Don't suddenly turn things around because Craig showed up- i've seen you play that game too many times too.

Sea

Ive been watching the back and forth for over a year, you just gave them the ability (by talking to them) to knock you off your game, if you wan.t to argue with them, do it in the am, like vampires, they are stronger in the pm they are also out in numbers, but you got spunk, I love that, but don't let it hurt you

"like vampires" what the!

I haven't accused you of anything OSH. I'm simply judging you be the company you keep. You seem to have a lot respect for GORDO's efforts here, there for based on your own standard you must be cut from the same cloth that he is. What's wrong with that?

"therefore" that should read, before one of the typo nazis jumps down my throat, LOL

sorry rez not you

ROFLMAO you had better go scan back over the blog, you'll see from about 2:00 to 4:00 was MIA! haha.

All time worst campaign song evah! Even worse than the adoring children of confused hippy libruls in Venice CA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83XLPySzn0

My mistake, from 3:04 on, I just checked my cell phone, bill called at 3:04 when he got off the train.

Thanks for your kind words Solar. You are right but I couldn't live with myself if I just sat by those unjust accusations. I might be independent now , but I still believe in democratic values,dragons, fairies and other mythical things.

"I still believe in democratic values,dragons, fairies and other mythical things."

...you left out freedom, dissent, and respect.

you keep saying accusations, who here has accused you of anything?

boy a 10 to 15 point drop in the polls, a few lost debates, and these McCain folks really get testy.

Sea

I agree, you came out to defend a friend Gordo,,,,,he will always be ok nutin bothers him,,, he is this blogs energy rabbit that just keep on going, and going, and gone now, but he will be back

LOL @ Craig, not really Craig, I'd get morose.

The truth about Sarah Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URIypadX3n0

Yeah, he cracks me up the way he pops in with his links and mystery clues. He is also pretty good about rising above it all too. Just the same, he didn't deserve what was said about him at all.

I'm here -- waiting for some excuse from pogo about why SoetorObama/DNC are fighting discovery in the Berg lawsuit.

Whose elk is ruining the election now???

Sea---see hey gordito que pasa

Hey Gordo, thanks for those links. amazing. Is that what the number clues were about?

O + 11/4 = 1600

JM > 11/4 = 241 RSOB

That's for your GORDO

E = Elk

The dueling Gordo's---gotta be a little more humph than the dueling blogs of the other night

Sea--------------------

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Xrep, I'm not a Republican, and never have been. In fact, I was a registered Democrat two months ago. I've stated that here numerous times. After participating here, and interacting with those with whom I was associating with such registration, I decided I wanted nothing to do with such ignorant, deceptive, machiavellian, craven and vicious ideologues.

You were a Republican 30 years ago, and yet you choose to identify yourself as an "ex-Republican" as if you had some recent ideological shift, or in protest of recent transgressions by said party. That's not honesty- that's deliberate deception. You make cogent yet passionate arguments in support of your positions, yet conveniently omit that which would jeopardize your argument. That's not honesty, either.

So no, I don't consider you honest, and that disappoints me.

Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 12:12 AM :
"You were a Republican 30 years ago, and yet you choose to identify yourself as an "ex-Republican" as if you had some recent ideological shift, or in protest of recent transgressions by said party. That's not honesty- that's deliberate deception."

I couldn't sleep. I had the feeling someone was talking behind my back. That "as if you had some recent ideological shift" part of your statement is your interpretation rather than a fact, Champ. I have mentioned several times that my affiliation changed in the '70s, precisely to avoid misleading anyone. My change had everything to do with finally becoming aware that the vile attitudes expressed by my fellow republicans were not isolated cases. They were not bad apples, but most of the barrel.

Regarding your other point, it is not my job to identify any weaknesses or flaws in any of my arguments. That sort of debate form is what made Walter Mondale a professor instead of a president.