Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Can it be?
a Yipeee

five lines from the bottom........anit bush

Not much road or runway remains. But he is a lighting rod!

Well Bush would not pull the Red in and certainly can not push the Obama already's away - so in this case no harm no foul.

What would his impact be on those that could swing the vote - the undecided.

Interesting question that drives discussion....
Craig ... A+

thanks sturg, fixed

As almost everyone expected, the Berg lawsuit against SoetorObama/DNC was dismissed on grounds that the Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania lacked standing.

SoetorObama is using the legal system to keep his "hidden" past a secret. He refuses to release a certified copy of his birth certificate and other documents to the public. Those documents (or lack of) would prove that he is Constitutionally ineligible for the office of POTUS.

Naturalized citizen? "Illegal" alien? Use of non-legal name for about 30 years? More?

There is a preview of Shrubian impact during the recent financial unpleasantness when Shrub was on tv nearly everyday. Not only would they have to carefully select the crowd - I think they would have to pay them.

Idon't see how Bush can bring anybody but the 30% in and they have nowhere else to go.
It may just be my prejudice but I think whole country is ready to throw a big party the minite his butt is on a plane back to Texas. It will be one big 'THANK GOD AT LAST"

Jack

Good news...
Had to dig to find it in MSM.... Should I wonder why?

Why it is behind OLDER headlines of Negative News?

No wonder the NYT value is not much better then Junk Bonds today ... Wonder how long they can last under the current trend?

And try to find the positive on Iraq that is clearly happened ... oh my

Good News is Bad News for Barack and those that are driving to bring him in.

And this same group has many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine? This very scary!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/business/economy/25econ.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/world/index.html

Seems like even the Bush True Believers have deserted him. I used to see those "W -- The President" signs on half the cars in Nashville....they turned my stomach. Now I rarely see them.

Actually, I see very few political signs or stickers here anyway. I guess since Obama decided TN was a wash, and neither he nor McCain paid much attention, Tennesseans didn't get too excited.

By the way, I had to Google MILF -- I had no idea what it meant. Just glad to see that Mother Teresa wasn't named.

Thoughtythread

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

"What's this we stuff . white man" guest blogger Tonto

Sturge, just read your name-calling post. That's what people like to do. There is a guy at work whose last name is LaChance. He has a weight problem, so I've heard that some people call him "FatChance". Another favorite one was a former supervisor of mine whose last name was Kraklau. People called him "Krakhouse".

Following up on Ping's pronouncement that the housing market is turning... this great article in the New York Times regarding garage sales...

As Yard Sales Boom, Sentiment First Thing to Go

By PATRICIA LEIGH BROWN
Published: October 24, 2008

MANTECA, Calif. — As the classified ads put it, everything must go. Socks. Christmas ornaments. Microwave ovens. Three-year-old Marita Duarte’s tricycle was sold by her mother, Beatriz, to a stranger for $3 even as her daughter was riding it.

On Mission Ridge Drive and other avenues, lanes and ways in this formerly booming community, even birthday celebrations must go. “It was no money, no birthday,” said Ms. Duarte, who lost her job as a floral designer two months ago. The family commemorated Marita’s third birthday without presents last week, the occasion marked by a small cake with Cinderella on the vanilla frosting. They will move into a rental apartment next month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/us/25garage.html?em

Glad to hear that the housing situation is improving....

Hey anyone who wants to take away my rights and make me a second class citizen deserves to be called names, and ones a lot worse than what I have posted here. They are always using gays and lesbians as "whipping boys and girls" to cow tow to the right wing.

So Powerpuff Girl can just fly away to Moose Country and Mc... well he can retire.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163495

That strikes me a bit racist Tonto...

Damn I posted before finishing my comment... That strikes me a bit racist Tonto... even though I admit I thought it was also funny... my bad.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163498

And I would never call Mc.... "Grandpa Munster" ... it would be an insult to Al Lewis and the rest of the Munster gang.

It's Gramps and Gidget, ET! But, seriously, the funniest name I ever heard of was a guy at work whose real last name was "Dickensheets" LOL!

The editorial board of blistersyeahbutchannel looked to the example of other nationally published writers and decided it was not racist.

" June 9, 2008, 1:00 pm Krugman
What do you mean “we”, white man?

My colleague Nick Kristof weighs in on Scott McClellan’s book, and says:

I think we in the press were indeed too docile in the aftermath of 9/11, although I think that is partly explained by the lack of Democratic Party opposition to White House policies at the time. We in the press tend to cover disputes, and so if Democratic senators had stood up to criticize these policies, we would have done our job better. But when the opposition party has rolled over and there’s no dispute to cover, then the news media’s role becomes more complicated.

My first reaction is, whaddya mean “we”?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/what-do-you-mean-we-white-man/

Jack

Come Jan 20, the whole nation may rise up with millions from coast to coast singing

Thank God and Greyhound

ET - Those same solid Fundamentals that are bringing balance and recovery back to housing will in time be the primary reasons jobs will recover.

If we can keep our government from screwing with it!

Theory - Warren Buffet needs to be close to Barack to help get him into these funamentals.

As - I think Jamie posted earlier - he is evolving (excuse me if I over stated).

And people with bright minds are making sure they get Barack into the correct circles.

Barack must change - and he is... which is why I have posted that his original left liberal supporters may not like the end result.

And are Barack supporters really glad Housing numbers already turned in a big way?

Good News is Bad News for Barack

Off to finish chores

So Ping, it doesn't matter to you that so many people are losing their homes and have to sell all their belongings just to put food on the table and this is an example of "FUNDAMENTALS"?f Geez, even your party's ex-Fed Chairman has not made such a startling claim !

Very amusing post, Craig.

"Leaving their charges unanswered only made it worse for McCain without a strong and consistent effort on his part to stiff arm the president."

Clever use of "stiff arm!"

So some Americans are profiting from the misery of those who have lost their homes? This is the "fundamentals" you speak about? And what about the people who have lost everything? Just the market correcting excesses?

Jerry Lewis said the word "fag" while being interviewed in Australia and the gay community here in the US is livid. So touchy over a word that can have numerous meanings. In Australia, "to shag" has a totally different meaning there than it does here. The gay community get so ridiculous at times, what they should be upset about is over one of their own standard-bearers, Barney Frank. http://tinyurl.com/5sj8sl

How this man gets re-elected remains a mystery to me.

ET - it does matter - and I do feel for these folks and will do what I can to help. And to all Stop the only Dems care for people BS!!!

VERY IMPORTANT to remember how they got there... Do not discount the lack of fundamentals that allowed these fine folks to buy over their heads - and their own accountability - (over generalization as some that did not over buy are being impacted)

This in time will correct if we do not screw it up with more of the same failed policy.

Ms Ping is demanding my attention..
Check back later

"And to all Stop the only Dems care for people BS!!!"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163512

But they've got a "righteous wind" behind them!

Here's my name-calling contribution for the day:

McCain + Joe = Plumb and Plumber

(Jamie, thanks for the jib-jab link on the last thread. I miss those days too!)

Isn't Bush the President that makes most people want to drink beer?

Thanks for the link Anselm. Barney Frank is spot on !!!

Perhaps, like Bob Dole, John McCain exhibits the inability to use both arms/hands effectively....a handicap, for sure. And maybe the visual, tribal message he unable to send is hurting his chances....we want someone who can effectively give a victory wave similar to late, tricky Dick.

okay, I would like a fact check please. Mc is on tv talking about how O's tax reform will effect small business. Can anyone tell me aproximatly what percent of small businesses make over $250G? Palin's family didn't bring in that much last year.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Owner,_Small_Business/Salary

A complicated question.

That was GORDO, Jack.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_average_income_for_small_business_owners_in_2006

Average income $236,000.00

Thanks :0)

Frank would reduce our military to prior to 9-11 levels, all in the name of more social programs, and do so while our military men and women are fighting 2 wars. And he made this statement right after Joe Biden said the following,

"Mark my words: It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," Biden said, according to a transcript from ABC News. "The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

I question your figure because it comes from http://wiki.answers.com , as their information at times has proven unreliable. But lets assume your figure of $236,000.00 is correct, but where on the IRS form 1040 was this figure obtained, as there are 5 different places on the 1040 one could choose from, all have different values, but all values stem from line 7. By the way, Obama has yet to identify which of the 5 lines he'll use. This is just more class warfare garbage created by the Liberal Left. Not only are their policies dumbing-down our country, who keep making excuse after excuse why little Johnny and Suzie can't read, but they are also trying to removing the incentives to prosper, and become independent of the ever growing government barnyard of so-called freebies. Except they are not free, nothing is free the government gives you.

Go Badgers!
Go Canton McKinley beat Massillon!
Go Phillies!

And Go Democrats --yeah RR!

According to Salary.com, the average income of a small business owner as of 2006 was $233,600.

http://www.salary.com/

It is good to question authority but not reductio ad absurdum.

Anselm

That reduction isn't crazy. Terrorist plots are best handled by good police work not soldiers stomping around getting shot at and bombed and in turn shooting at anything suspicious. They are making terrorists not defending us from them.

Those heroic men and women in Iraq were sent to the wrong place for the wrong reasons and thousands of them have died unnecessarily for the sake of a political mad man.

Don't worry so Anselm President Obama and the Democratic Congress and Senate will be able to handle whatever crisis might arise. And clean up the mess you repugs left in your wake at the same time.

This statement could use a fisking.
Wait until the infighting starts. Wonder what Barney Frank's opinion is of Susan Eisenhower's clients?

Personally, I like "McGrumpy" as a nickname for McCain. It's not that horrifying and it truly conveys his personality.

Matt Dowd (ex-Bush strategist guy) on "Realtime with Bill Maher" pointed out last night ... McCain is like the old neighbor who takes your baseball and turns his lights off on Halloween.

I was talking to a friend's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were to be the President, what is the first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.' 'Wow - what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my sidewalks and driveway, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.' She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, the little girl looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"

And I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party, sweetheart."

One of our short trips totally away from politics. The players in the World Series are upset that only the starting players are being announced.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3662873

Today is the sixth anniversary of the death of Paul Wellstone and one of the most disgraceful goober enabled media inventions.

Big Tent Democrat at Talkleft talks about the Franken race
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/25/133152/37

Franken Website
http://www.alfranken.com/content/splash_wellstone

Norm Coleman needs to be defeated.

"The gay community get so ridiculous at times, what they should be upset about is over one of their own standard-bearers...,"

Right on, Anselm!

Bigots unite!

"we want someone who can effectively give a victory wave similar to late, tricky Dick."

You got me thinking about Tricky, BlondeW -- and it occurs to me that taking into account criminal activities, lying to the public and usurping of powers, "W" has made Tricky look like a piker.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163544

You have to be kidding. We darn near ripped each other to shreds during the primary season. Now in the general we have coalesced under the idea that anything is better than another four years with the Republicans.

Next year, after a decent honeymoon, the Democrats will go back to clawing and biting again. The Bickersons have nothing on us.

Nixon's the One
Why? Because there are 11 webrings about JFK but only this ring about the 37th president, Richard M. Nixon. Your site doesn't necessarily have to be ABOUT Nixon, but not anti either, and it must have a significant amount of content about Nixon. You submit, we decide. And let's thank Bill Clinton for making us remember that Nixon wasn't so bad after all!
example: Nostalgic Nixon Photos From the National Archives - Nostalgic Nixon photos from the national archives include a campaign motorcade picture and a 1970 picture of President Richard Nixon meeting Elvis Presley. More to come soon!
http://s.webring.com/t/Nixon-s-The-One

Too funny. Republican think Bill Clinton rehabed Nixon.

Thanks for the Franken link, KGC -- The tribute to Wellstone was wonderful. I am keeping my fingers crossed for that one.

The election is the least important part of what is happening.
It is what happens after that counts. All signs point to chaos.

What will be the priorities of the new administration and congress? Do you think Colin Powell and Russ Feingold agree?

Jamie,

You are laughable, your type fear good police work as it might somehow tread upon your convenient for the moment Constitutional rights. In your dribble about war, you somehow forgot about Afghanistan, and the fact that your boy Obama is going to send our brave military men and women into that hell hole. You supply just more of the same LLIL answers and solutions that are the caused of most of this country's problems. You and the likes of the Barny Franks of the world all come out of the same pea pod. Your answers to problems are always the same, lets throw more money at it, and when that doesn't work let raise taxes so we can throw even more money at the same problem. Lets not fix the root cause of the problem, let make excuses so we can throw tax payer money at the problem, so we can show everyone just how much we care. Symbolism, excuses and fluff over substance, such is the way of LLIL's.

Jack ---------------

"Obama has his birth certificate on the Obama site since this fake conspiracy came out."

That is NOT a Birth Certificate (BC), what is posted is an altered Certification of Live Birth (COLB). COLBs show only a minimum amount of info. They are issued by Hawaii to people when they need to prove date and place of birth. A BC shows detailed info, such as the birth hospital, etc. (Where are the hospital records? Which hospital - two have been named - which one is it?) What you are seeing on his site and others is a FAKE COLB. A real COLB would have the name Barry Soetoro.

======================

Because of Indonesian law, Lolo Soetoro needed to adopt Barry/Barack (what was the name on the original BC?). Indonesia was very strict about that sort of thing. It's almost 100% certain that he was legally adopted.

When he was adopted in Hawaii, his original BC was sealed and a new BC was prepared with the name Barry Soetoro. Did he ever legally change his name to BHO? That's why Berg requested:

Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.

======================

There is no mechanism for checking credentials. Hard to believe, but it's a fact. SoetorObama is using the legal system to hide the TRUTH of his "hidden" past from the American people. If he does not have anything to hide -- let everyone see the BCs and other documents. He doesn't because the documents (or lack of) would PROVE that he does not have the Constitutional requirements for POTUS.

Patsi

Me too. I loathe Coleman. Someone should have smacked him during the debates with Mondale --Mondale too much of a nice guy didn't do it.

Gordo- why are you so dad-gum worried about those oh so imprortant yrs when he was a child?

"You are laughable, your type fear good police work as it might somehow tread upon your convenient for the moment Constitutional rights"

Anselm, And you know this about me how? Don't look now, but your right wing is jerking.

I haven't forgotten about Afghanistan. Bush treated it as an after thought and as a result the place where we should have concentrated our efforts initially has gone south and like Iraq is worse off that when this all started.

After seven years of misapplied force and dismal diplomacy, Osama is the least of our problems. If we woke up tomorrow to learn that he was proven dead, it would make little or no difference to the problems Bush has created in the Middle East.

Craig,

I am quite suprise that you wrote this article. Bush abuse his power as a president, have no regard for the constitution and lie to us about wmd. Bush needs to be impeached!!! president Bush is a disgrace for this country. I don't want to see bush at all. Craig, I respect your opinion and often come to cqpolitics.com just to read your articles or comments. You are still in the mccain camp. It is suprising how mccain has failed in leadership, organization, policy on and on and on. I wonder what you think about the direction of this country. I get my news from broad spectrum from cqpolitics, centerforpolitics.com(Dr. Larry Sabato) to msnbc, cnn, huffingtonpost, politico,newsweek, politicalwire. What i see that is Mccain is not qualified to be POTUS. AND don't even mention sarah palin. She has no idea what she is talking about and she pretends she understands it. This is TOO FRUSTRATING!!!! How dare she say that fruit fly is not worthy to spend money on research. She is a disgrace. She has no idea how the world works. She is not qualify to be vp. Mccain as POTUS only to put US at risk. As you can see how much stress is put on president. From Bill Clinton to GWB, they aged more than 10years after their president. You have that much of faith that mccain will be able to serve 4 years? I can't not even fathom what happen if mccain is not capable to serve as president and leting palin in the driver seat. Voting for mccain is irresponsible and reckless. Craig, this post makes me disappointed in you.

Robt F Kennedy Jr is in favor of wind energy but not in his family's playground of a backyard. Just another example of more LLIL logic.

What does LLIL mean?

Hello. I'm a gun-loving, hood-wearing, abortion-hating, anti-evolutionist, snake-handling Seventh Day Adventist liberal democrat and I loathe republicans.

Thank you.

lily white limosine liberal

KGC -- Just a few days before the plane crash I had sent a check to Wellstone's campaign. It was such a bizarre feeling, knowing he hadn't even got my little donation yet.

From TD Blog
------------------
Judge Says: Voters/ Citizens/ Party Members Don’t Have Right To Challenge Candidate’s Eligibility

"It needs to be understood that the crux of the court’s decision was procedural. The judge dismissed Berg’s case due to lack of standing.

The judge could have dismissed this case based on lack of standing weeks ago. By delaying his decision, he has effectively assisted Obama in running out the clock.

Welcome to justice, American style."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/berg-lawsuit-dismissed/

TSK. That would be NEVER.

For those who like their issues a little more nuanced than Anselm's single position rants, here is an excellent article with links about the proposed Cape Cod Wind Farm and all the environmental players positions on the subject.

http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2006/01/12/capecod/

GORDO- one dosen't have the RIGHT to harass.

Rosie

While I do believe that the right has more "dangerous" fanatics, the left has a few such as ELF that do a great deal of property damage and endanger lives. That is the problem with obsessions,. People who go there can lull themselves into believing that their more insane acts are justified by circumstances no matter who or what gets injured.

Grace.....you should have been here YESTERDAY

lol

Very true, Jamie. I'm sorry for picking.

Jamie,

Your problem as I clearly illustrated yesterday, you are part of the LLIL crowd. The, I care more than you crowd. 'I care because I am going to make the so-called rich pay for where you ended up. It is their fault no yours. You after all are the victim."

But taxing the so-called rich is entirely different than taxing the rich and very rich. The rich and very rich don't mind paying taxes, because at the end of the day they'll still be rich. The only person the LLIL hurt are the ones nearing being titled,"so-call rich". LLIL's have to be careful who we allow to accumulate wealth.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/35d28f90-9f13-11dd-98bd-000077b07658.html

Today's 538 has backed off a bit making ET on the winning number if it holds at 348.4

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Hello. I'm a gun-loving, hood-wearing, abortion-hating, anti-evolutionist, snake-handling Seventh Day Adventist liberal democrat and I loathe republicans.

Thank you.

Posted by: Answer to Anselm | October 25, 2008 2:12 PM

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It is true the Republican party will have to make some hard choices going forward. I see your actions betray your words.

According to you, anyone who raises the issues of how the Obama coalition will work together is a Republican. Not much of a welcome for legitimate questions or differences of opinion. The Republicans who have hopped on the Obama bandwagon are there to preserve Republican principles. Which Republcan principles do you agree with? For example, Powell still thinks going to Iraq was correct. Do you?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163589

Anselm. Thank you for telling me what I think. The fact that you are totally wrong about my attitudes towards poverty, taxes, and economics shouldn't enter your mind for a second. It might disturb your ability to carry on with your falacious tirade.

David Frum: Throw McCain/Palin Under the Straight in the Ditch Express
By: Scarecrow Saturday October 25, 2008 9:41 am
Former Bush operative and conserative David Frum takes to WaPo’s op ed pages to urge the Republican Party to give up on the doomed/pathetic McCain/Palin campaign and send every extra dollar into the fight to save the Senate from Democratic domination.

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1062#more-33091

There will be no one left on the bus -good thing both the McCain's and Palin's have big families.

"Nope, we never should have gone to Iraq, what does that have to with anything almost 6 years later? "

It had everything to do with Obama's "lack of judgement" charges in the primary. But obviously nothing now that super-war-salesman Colin Powell weighed in. Things change....

REMINDER

Fearless leader on MSNBC in about ten minutes

"David Frum"

I am cracking up at how fast those with no ethical center change colors.

Powell rebuking the Republican Party. Better late etc.

"Nope, we never should have gone to Iraq, what does that have to with anything almost 6 years later? "

Those who don't learn from history etc. But the more important point is Powell STILL thinks it was the right thing to do.
A view from your fellow leftists
"Colin Powell Endorses Obama: Backing A Winner When He’s Winning
By: Jane Hamsher Sunday October 19, 2008 7:34 am
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250943230_ad979d522b_m.thumbnail.jpgAs predicted, Colin Powell endorsed Obama today. After Obama raised a hundred million dollars last month, every meaningful newspaper is behind him, he's soaring in the polls and McCain's campaign has devolved into a complete clown car.

Way out there on a limb, Colin.

As Atrios says, Powell can still go Cheney himself for the role he played in Anthrax, Iraq and a host of other Republican fiascos.
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-endorses-obama-backing-a-winner-when-hes-winning/

Salon: Obama's big lead in the polls is real

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/25/obamas_lead/?source=newsletter

I gave you my opinion too bad you cannot read.
And I backed it up with the comments of your fellow lefties

Maybe you have to read things twice to understand them
My opinion
"Powell rebuking the Republican Party. Better late etc.

"Nope, we never should have gone to Iraq, what does that have to with anything almost 6 years later? "

Those who don't learn from history etc. But the more important point is Powell STILL thinks it was the right thing to do."

Great appearance with Shuster. The pundit's hail Mary.
Thanks Jamie for reminding people - I would have missed it.

The death rattle of a losing campaign is the blame game.

Brain ask a question....

Why Powell - why now? Well it was long decided and Colon has a few agenda's to fry! I am sure the timing was negotiated with Barack.

Why is Barack moving so quickly to take in the moderates?

Cause he needs to learn and change - maybe he will be more of a Jeffersonian - moving from his historic values as a liberal

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163506

Anslem- You might want to be a bit more knowledgeable before accusing the Kennedys of being NIMBYS. Nantucket Sound is one of the most beautiful bodies of water on the east coast and the residents of the Cape & Islands have been opposed as it threatens the ecology, fishing , tourism, recreationand public safety. Not to mention - we don't want to look at it. It is a developer-driven wind farm and they have spent a fortune trying to force this upon us. For what? To make money. We already have some of the highest electrical costs in the country- this will increase our costs. A Dutch Corp. recently presented a plan for a deep water farm off the back side of the Vineyard, on barges. No one is opposed to that. It is simply the wrong site and wrong technology. Just because someone is opposed does not mean they are being nimby. By the way, the population here is very integrated and we are the poorest county in the Commonwealth. How you bring race into something like this is beyond comprehension.

Putting 'small businesses' into perspective; it's definitional:
http://www.sba.gov/services/contractingopportunities/sizestandardstopics/summarywhatis/index.html

Continuation -
And also the Moderates have a fear of what a liberal Barack would do...

They must influence him - and they are already !

Thank goodness

"make bush mccain's october surprise....
......Leaving their charges unanswered only made it worse for McCain without a strong and consistent effort on his part to stiff arm the president."

craig, i agree but from a different perspective. mccain would earn a new and shinier patriotic medal and a better place in history if he did make w his oct surprise by calling this do-nothing congress's bluff and publically requesting the pres. and v.p to step down for the good of the country and, if they do not, say he implores the house to immediately take up and to vote on kucinich's articles of impeachment.

it won't win the election for him but it will restore his integrity and make him look like his once beloved old mavericky self again.

Dog' eye... In the end what is the differece?

And to seahag's point - in industry I think many are questioning the drivers for the wind farm...

Lots of variables to make it a success - depending on how you measure success....

I always wonder why no aggressive drive to put in the Islands - like Puerto Rico - the trade winds are always blowing and constant direction

Hey Alicia,

Wife and I got a lick outta that Bud commercial redux

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/waaaasup-the-pro-obama-ve_n_137711.html

lick= kick .... freudian lol

Ping,

Although wind power could work to satisfy a significant amount of PR's domestic usage, backup power equaling the amount of wind generated power would be required for those periods the Islands are stuck in the doldrums.

One advantage of being on the mainland is the availability of grid power to handle needs when wind is insufficient.

Perhaps using wind to lift water to high elevation reservoirs for subsequent use in hydroelectric power plants might be a plausible backup source.

Dog's Eye- You're welcome, there is more than meets the eye on this project. Cape Wind really is a bunch of crooks with scads of money and of course some friends. Hope they back off soon. The barges do seem a brilliant alternative to all the drilling. Here is our website if you want to read more-http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer

Flatus...

The flex hydro solution - as in the North Carolina project to meet high peak demand periods - I think it is called Bad Water project , near White Water falls....

Did you get all your chores done today?

There's an interesting read in today's Economist on the Powell effect and related issues:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12470555

Who said I was hinged?

Brain -and all that point to Obama winning over non liberal groups.

Is it they are coming to him, or he is "Changing" to meet them at their point!

Brain - when it is all over a vote for Barack next week is not the same vote for him as even 6 months ago.

"Did you get all your chores done today?"

Shhh! I think I did enough to sneak by until tomorrow so long as I keep a low profile.

Don't sweat it Champ, the Phillies won't need game 6!

Now I know why that ump was in the tank for the Rays last night, Rez. Sh___est Ump Ever.

Dog's Eye- I have heard Anslems' meme before on Fox. It's a republican thing, save the white thing part, what a surprise.

Moderately funny, for the baseball fans:

How Long Has Jamie Moyer Been Pitching? We Track Down Some of His Old Teammates
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3662811&categoryId=2521705&n8pe6c=1

You got that right Rez. The Rays have a Philly Stake ready for them.

http://www.saveoursound.org/site/PageServer

Thanks for that link OSH...

Anselm,

If I remember right, the parents of hundreds of those kids during "summer of freedom" were LLILs. Without them, A-Meery-Ca would be much different today.

Hey Patsi, you're welcome.

Funy clip Champ,

We hated losing Moyers here in Seattle.

Changes in wind turbine technology have made it a more attractive technology in the past.
San Francisco is working to find solutions that work in an urban environment.
http://www.examiner.com/a-819169~Ammiano_spins_rooftop_wind_turbine_idea_in_S_F_.html

Our more rural neighborhood is looking a wind coop.

http://www.ourwind.org/windcoop/

Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship

Saturday, October 25, 2008
Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."

From TD Blog
------------------
Press Release: Berg is Appealing to U.S. Supreme Court

"... Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States ...

This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?

So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.

According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/press-release-berg-is-appealing-to-us-supreme-court/

How does Berg fund his court cases?

Well that is one Writ of Certiorari that will never see the light of day.

But Jamie, don't forget, we don't elect the prez, it's the EC that does. lol

Besides, the rethugs want Obama to win anyway b/c they can blame everything on the Dems. Who woulda thunk that!

Rez,

Maybe Berg can go have a sincere talk with the electors. lol

They should of just rolled over and saved everybody's time and money

That line always makes me scratch my head.

no lice jokes Champ, please! :-/)

*as I await a serious message about our constitution from Gordo*

Breaking news: In a surprise move which has astounded his friends, family, and handlers, Maverick John McCain has decided to endorse Barack Obama for president. "I'm just too damned old," McCain said. Sarah Palin could not be reached for comment.

LOL@Sturg

what's up with schuster calling craig "crawford". does he call anyone else by their last name?
makes schuster look like a creep.

Why just Bush? Bring Cheney and Gonzales too.

CC on Shuster.

Craig,

Are sure that was your blackberry vibrating? Maybe it's the Obama rush tingling up your leg, ala Tweety. lol

Sturge

You have watched The Farmer's Daughter too many times.

Since nobody here seems to be supporting them....GO RAYS!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163529

Nothing the corporations give you is free. Honestly, someone protect me from right wing fags.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163656

oh no, sturg, don't beat up shuster for that. we're longtime pals and he's always called me that

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163543

OH give me a break. You are just a right wing nut case that isn't progressive on anything and if you weren't gay you'd hate homosexuals too. And frankly, from what you have posted, it seems you already do.

okie doke.....I did not know that......couldnt remember ever hearing any one of the tv pundits last-naming anyone before........I'm glad to know that.......

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163558

Honestly, I do not understand why people think government helping the people is a bad thing. Thank the gods for the social programs of the 1940s which helped us regain our footing after WW II and the Great Depression. Sorry Ashelm, you are full of it. You and Ping could like happily ever after together. You both ignore the fact that the biggest government hand outs are the corporate welfare checks to the multinationals and in step with that, the bulging golden parachutes given to the corporate CEO pigs.

Your ilk support making it more difficult for personal debt to be discharged but want to save the creditors who have by large created this mess. The right wing is a total mystery to me... And right wing gays... it blows my mind...

Spot on Jamie...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163595

EuroTom-Didn't Greece and Rome both have so sort of 'food for the poor' programs? It seems like I read about that somewhere, but I don't want to trust MY memory.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163630

Good point Old ... I don't like calling women "hags" even if it's a nickname in fun :-) ... Anselm... black, right wing, classist.. conservative and gay

This makes as much sense to me as a Black man joining the Ku Klux Klan, white sheets, hood and all.

Hey Rosie, it's not my expertise, but I know it is true in Rome.

Heck Jesus himself was helping the poor, feeding the poor and redistributing the wealth. Opposing such programs is simply unChristian.

I do know that a lrg part of Christian and MUSLIM ideology involves looking after those less fortunate.

I'm pretty sure most civilizations have had to deal with the poor by giving them food......"the poor are always with us", etc.......rome definitely had to spread the grain around quite a bit........

actually, jeebus spreading around the food was a bit different from a state sponsored welfare.........

Sturg-Tsk. And you were sooo offended about DS calling Craig by his last name.

tsk indeed.......lol......you mean "jeebus"? I got no truck with lords and saviors.........

actually, it's mucho apologies to shuster.....it just looked odd noticing that for the first time......

ET -- Stop it.. You are so funny with the continued spin that only a Dem can care... Are you funny or just try to be ????

And support for a blend of social programs - absolutely critical for any advanced society. Balance and NEVER let sound fiscal policy be overrun - as it has.

Did you ever go check the individual gifting question? Why does it have to go through a government... Let me pay my tithe to the Church of Obama?

Maybe that is the mind set of Bidder - I gave at the office

The difference is the success comes from building strong individual value, not big government.

Bidden - I gave at the office - after all it is patriotic to pay high taxes...

What a loser or is that a socialist?

So should we reverse the Bush policies of giving federal moneys to faith based organizations?

ET - I wish you wouldn't use the term 'fag' - it's a word filled with hate and and revulsion, and like the n word, I think its usage should die down for maybe another millenium. I may be wrong but when gays use the word it enables bigots, as if even some gays agree with them.

I wish one of out artistic people here would sketch
Patd in her basement closet with clothes having over her as she types madly at her computer.

KGC - the weather channel just put up "few showers"
for next Saturday. Oh, rapturous joy - frabjus day.

Sturge - I loved your "breaking news." I'll bet McCain feels like that some days

My package from UPS showed up, thank god. One of the neighbor kids made a sign for me and put it up over the mailboxes at the complex asking if anyone had it - and lo and behold, it was there this am. I hate to go to a birthday party with no gifts! Go Phillies!

don't know if anybody caught Shuster running today's post by McCain spokesperson Tucker Bounds, who shot it down, but in a friendly sort of way -- prompting Shuster to say,"Tucker Bounds, throwing Craig Crawford under the bus, but in diplomatic fashion." Tucker than said, "Sorry Craig."

oh well, i am totally alone in wanting to see Bush on the hustings. i'll just have to get by with Will Ferrell

We should support programs that provide support.
A faith based organization, be it Muslim, Jewish, Christian…. Is most likely a very effective way to get the best bang for the buck as the overhead is most likely very low to nothing.
Have accountability and follow up to measure and make sure the dollars made it to the real need.

Don't be too quick to apologize to Schuster, sturge -- he was cheerleading Huckabee in the primaries -- or at least gabbing about how great he was. Funny, Huckabee and Palin are much the same, yet Schuster gets rabid about Palin. Fundie Huck was running for the top of the ticket. His kid wasn't pregnant, but did, in fact, hang a dog and slit its throat. And Huck's wife is a big time hunter. Hmm. Things change...

"Go Phillies!" BETHY! Stop that!!

(Glad the present showed up!)

"I do know that a lrg part of Christian and MUSLIM ideology involves looking after those less fortunate."

what's that got to do with government?

GO RAYS !!!
Ray's take lead - an October surprise!!

Criag

Maybe Big Brother Obama can debate Bush on Hardball with Chris Mathews. If Big Brother Obama does not show up they can bring in Ken O as the stand in. He is use to playing that role.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Rosie - absolutely the policies of faith-based org should be reversed. I'm coming around to the idea that churches should not be tax-free, altho not there yet.

Governments should have no inter-action with churches, and vice-versa. It's not good for the governments and REALLY not good for the churches.
That's why the puritans came here in the first place - to keep James I out of their church. Just because they were so strict and fundamentalist is no reason to ignore their plight with the church/ government complex at the time.

Hey - another complex to beware! Maybe complexes are inherently dangerous - discuss amongst yaselves!

Ping,

I think many 'faith' based groups see participation as a way of insinuating themselves into government.

I'm against using them.

Bettyboo, I sort of understand your point. I am annoyed with non-gays use the "fag" word, but a lot of us so inclined consider it a word that we take the sting away from by claiming it only for ourselves. I rarely use it except when I think a Gay man is being a total doofus.

Well Craig, I wouldn't feel to bad given the "fantastic"~~ job Bounds has done with assisting McCain on his strategy.

He's losing/lost control of his running mate, so having no control over Bush out on the stump, would be a real scary proposition.
As for the Shuckster's notion: has Bush ever apologized for anything! Let alone accepted responsibility. Hell no!

Michael-A lot if you live in America, most of the Middle-East and anywhere else the government supports faith based organizations.

Great point Flatus... It's been a while since we have been in synch, but this was absolutely top notch.

Bettyboo, you too ! Keep the churches out of the government and keep the government out of the churches. That's the way it is supposed to be....

We have at our church a child care program. why should we be excluded from apply for government programs for support?
Should not be a factor either way.
As long as people have free choice and he funds are open to all qualified certified programs

I pay more taxes than probably most of you, given the tax rates are very high in Europe. However, I generally do not bitch about it because the social sector is so strong here and people are well protected.

"oh well, i am totally alone in wanting to see Bush on the hustings. i'll just have to get by with Will Ferrell"

Ferrell is far more entertaining.

Oh and the program is open for all.. It provides quality safe care - at a value price.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163697

Because the churches are fricken rich enough as it is! You hate government support because the churches are so much better at providing services but you criticise the possibility of not getting government funds to support your religious based organization.

That's hypocritical. One thing that Jesus wasn't was hypocritical.

patsi........yep......the apologies were limited to the craig interview....a mistaken assumption on my part.....I haven't forgotten his "pimping out chelsea" comments.........lol

Bethy -- I am so glad your present arrived! I had the same problem when I had ordered a gift for my sister's birthday.

Tom -- I understand your "back and forth" over saying "fag'.....I have so many gay friends who use the longer version of that word ALL the time when they are talking about someone they think is an a-hole -- gay or not. Sitting around with them, the term almost doesn't seem like it has anything to do with gays. Very strange.

I forgot to include that all churches should lose their tax exempt status. Make them pay as much taxes as any other organization. This largesse for religion, that is often right wing and filled of hate for those who they do not agree, is inappropriate and a waste of valuable government funds. They don't need the money and they don't deserve the money. Religions should and must pay their taxes.

And Hey those TAX DOLLARS ARE MINE AND YOURS.

ET - So if you could pay lower taxes? would you? what would need to happen? What changes in individuals would come about?

Patsi: That stuff about Huckabee's son is so disturbing. That kind of brutality is seen in the early behvavior of serial killers. Hope they got the kid some help.

Republican family values ...

ET - hey is not the tithe in some Euro community in your tax? This comes from the old structure.

Do not know how many Euro Community still have this in place.

I wouldn't pay lower taxes if it in any way damaged the well managed social sector. That means health care, retirement funds, family assistance, educational improvements, etc. etc. etc.

I pay a lot of taxes, but I do believe I get back from it too. It can be annoying but, at the end of the day, it is an investment in my own future and livelihood.

OFF TO BED NOW... it is 12:30 am

Good night one and all.

"....in her basement closet with clothes having over her as she types madly at her computer."

no bethy, it's in the basement in a closet in a box under dirty clothes/rags (odor puts off the bloodhounds) quivering for fear and typing away. and "madly" perhaps.

not a pretty picture. well, maybe picasso could do it justice.... guernica comes to mind.

Belgium does give a lot of money to religion and that does bother me. However, it's the system and these countries have always had an official religion. America hasn't !

This is what the Constitution Says: Amendment 1 ratified 1791

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I am so sick to death of selfish Republicans whining about their frickin' taxes.

You're selfish assholes plain and simple. If you don't like the concept of a democratic republic where the citizens share some sort of responsibility for one another than maybe you should find a country with some other sort of governmental system where you won't be required to pay taxes.

Good luck with that.

ET - are you taking some of Brains drugs?

Please not all church in the US are Fricken rich - you have no clue

And again what planet or drug are you taking - I was never critical of not getting government support

I am critical that a movement is in place to weaken the individual and drive them to need government support.

Teach to fish - do not give the fish

Second - I agree with social programs - just limits and should be more like the term used years ago - A safety net.

I guess this also means no response on the gifting patterns of individuals to the demographics

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163701

I understand the desire to have govt funds used in faith-based situations. The first thing that comes to mind as long as its free choice etc. That's a walloping job you're talking about. Even one of its proponents dropped out of Bush's program and wrote a book about it.

Am I the only one who remembers the scotus ruling that a church/religion which practices animal sacrifice was considered okay?

Also, how many people are aware of the fact that both W and his father inter-mixed financial aid to third-world countries with a demand that abortions and birth-control aids not be tolerated? I don't remember details but I do know that this particular religious stand has
played a major role in our foreign aid programs.

Sorry, Ping - if your church needs a child care program, it seems to me it should be part of your church's work - get the parishioners more involved - volunteering.
Religion is a private thing, not a public concern. If churches did more of this kind of thing, rather than try to wipe out homsexuality, I'd have more respect for churches. They seem to be doing a better job of fighting poverty, and good for them. The next frontier is taking care of their parishioners themselves and practicing their religion without help from me.

GAKaren - I guess I am also sick of ignorant statements – like the one you just posted

Why does it have to go through the Government?

Same question to you that ET and others have not answered. What demographic does the most gifiting?

You need to break away from the small circle which limits your depth and understanding.

Now maybe I have you to defensive at this point - and yes I am sure there are selfish republicans but you have bought into a deceptive facade that is hateful and not factual.

This is a sad, very sad (maybe unintended) consequence of the Obama campaign

KUDOS, bethy!

Bettyboo.
we do run the program and no federal funds. The building assets are used to help provide a great place.

My point is if we did want to apply for funds, and are open to all - In fact 90% are working family's that are not members - then why should we be excluded?

Just an argument that I can see both sides

Artists! How can you imagine the scenario of Patf
""...in the basement in a closet in a box under dirty clothes/rags (odor puts off the bloodhounds) quivering for fear and typing away. and "madly" perhaps."" and NOT want to sketch this? It could be a letterhead for Trail Mix!

And has anyone besides me been to one of these HUGE evangelical churches with all the band, light shows, cameras to show the preacher man from every angle. And they spend almost as much time asking for money as they do preaching the gospel.

Second - I agree with social programs - just limits and should be more like the term used years ago - A safety net.

Ping: Thanks for that. I'm sorry I snapped but I am surrounded by people that have no empathy for those that were perhaps born into an impoverished situation or have fallen on hard times. We all know that in this time of economic uncertainty that any one of us could end up needing some sort of assistance so I have become extremely intolerant of people that believe the poor or those who are struggling have somehow brought all misfortune upon themselves. As we know, that isn't always the case.

It just seems that I am surrounded by people that say, "I have mine, screw everyone else."

"You need to break away from the small circle which limits your depth and understanding."

Impossible.

"a deceptive facade that is hateful and not factual."

Home sweet home.

ET - what about the church tax in Europe. I think still in many parts of Germany..

How about your area. I think that should stop if it is

Off to take Pics for Homecoming..

Boone not Oak Ridge .... See ya Crawford

"Teach to fish - do not give the fish"

Ping -- I'll take blackened talapia.

SoetorObama's "Hidden" Past
-----------------------------------------
No US citizenship ?

Naturalized US citizenship ?

Kenyan citizenship ?

Indonesian citizenship ?

Dual citizenship ?

Triple citiznship ?

Legal name ?

Illegal name ?

More ?

Ping - I can see both sides too, and really appreciate you calmness while talking with me. Perhaps a tax credit for those who utilize your center...there has to be a better way than money going from the government to the church, that's all. Butas I said, I can certainly understand the impulse. Good for your church.

ET - Belgium has a national church, but it's not helping them live together, is it? Very sad. Maybe if they're allowed to split they'll be able to come together one day.

Talk about ignorant statements.

"This is a sad, very sad (maybe unintended) consequence of the Obama campaign"

How like a Republican to blame such a thing on the Democratic Presidential nominee.

My opinions are my own, unlike you I do not require Hannity, Boortz, Limbaugh, etc. to tell me what to think so I can understand why you might think I got my ideas from Senator Obama.

I am speaking from experience because the people I encounter that whine about their taxes and social programs are Republicans. I can count on one hand the times I have heard such drivel from my Democratic friends, family and colleagues.

"That stuff about Huckabee's son is so disturbing. That kind of brutality is seen in the early behvavior of serial killers. Hope they got the kid some help. "

That is in great part why I see much of what was thrown at Palin as gender-based. She's a typical right wing Republican. Huckabee appears to be more socially moderate, but some of his governing actions have been much like Palin's.

As governor, Huckabee shut down the investigation about his son's dog killing -- not much different than troopergate. He had absolutely no experience that would have made him a POTUS, so the experience thing doesn't wash, either. Yet he, as a presidential candidate, was slapped on the back and good-old-boy'd by the media.

I'll give Huck this: he could phony up a good game.

And I don't even want to get into Brownback....why didn't any of the press talk about the push-polling he did in Kansas, the ones about his opponent Jill Docking being a "gasp!" Jew!

Obama's messianic pretensions

In my world, you don't humour a politician who presents "Change," "Unity," and especially, "Hope," as hypnotic mantras, with the power of enchantment over very large crowds. And you especially don't humour such a politician at a time when both country and world are unstable, and hard decisions will have to be made.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/story.html?id=c71aa357-2ceb-4fd9-8e97-a151247be4f6

That's why in our world we have term limits.

If not President Bush, what about some of the other members of the Bush family --George P and what about George HW ?

I think Jeb is done.

Ping you argument is a little bit disingenuous. Your church day care can take government funds if they do one thing, form a nonprofit with a separate board from the church. All it cost in MO is 25 dollars I've helped form a couple of them. It is easy. What you can't do and shouldn't do, imo, is have money go directly to the church and into church funds.
Whats the big deal about forming a separate entity. If I can do it anyone can. The IRS 501 C3 application is a little bit more difficult but in a church big enough to have a daycare there should be someone that can find their way around in tax jargon.

Jack

"Thanks for that. I'm sorry I snapped but I am surrounded by people that have no empathy for those that were perhaps born into an impoverished situation or have fallen on hard times. We all know that in this time of economic uncertainty that any one of us could end up needing some sort of assistance"

ROFL, GAK -- I have a VERY right wing nephew who became very sick, and lost his job and insurance because of health reasons -- ended up going broke in his 50's. He had no idea what to do -- as they were about to take his house. I hadn't talked to him for a long time because he had become such a nut case (he was an ex-hippie for god's sake) -- and I couldn't stand to listen to his BS.

Finally, knowing he needed help figuring out disability, medicaid and even food stamps if he needed them, I called him up and said, "This is your pinko commie aunt calling to explain why you paid taxes all those years."

Joe Biden becoming unnerved over non-softball questions. He is pissed look at his eyes, gritting his teeth. No smiling brilliant white capped teeth showing this time. LOL. Having anger problems there Joe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM

Anselm

That is anger?
My answer would would have been angry,

"you stupid idiot, what a set of ignorant questions"

I had another word for idiot but Patsi might spank me.

Jack

Jack

JJ - I can will agree with the first part of your posts. That
is the main reason I was against Obama from almost the beginning. I hate the crowd-whipping-up etc very very very much.

However, your second point makes no sense to me. Obama is much more than his "messianic" speeches, and while I'm not sure what that "more" is, I'll take a chance on him before I even think Of McCain and especially Palin.

I didn't finish reading your link because it was saying nothing new. The writer is obviously conservative and overlooks some simple points, i.e. that for every criticism and doubt one can bring up about Obama, one can bring up at least one criticism for McCain and Palin each.

They both have their drawbacks, and McCain has years in which to pile up his stash. To me their drawbacks are deal-breakers, especially Palin's religious convictions. No way - absolutely no way - for me.

Granted, we don't know so many years worth of Obama's drawbacks, but this much I know = with McCain as president, we will have an extreme right wing supreme court, and in my opinion the country will become a plutocracy then. It might even affect Canadians.

Are you Canadian? My adored niece's adored husband is from Montreal.

It is saturday evening
Time for me to invest some money in my retirement plan.

Later

jack

An ad hominem attack is a personal attack in the form of an ad hominem argument.

Ad hominem attacks are often used in a debate or discussion where the speaker wishes to avoid the substance of the discussion and instead resorts to smearing the character of their opponent.

It is considered a logical fallacy and is one of the modes of spreading propaganda.

Never seen any of that here!

Bowmanc

Whats your point? It looks like the few brain cells that survived all that dope smoking you did in your youth have finally quit working.

What exactly is an Ad Hominem anyway and where do you get off bringing up a word like logic in a forum like this.

;-P

Jack

"Patsi might spank me."

In yer dreams Jack....:)

Jack, if you're thinking back to the old SNL, I'm with ya. In fact, during the last debate I kept waiting for McCain to call Obama and ignorant slut.

GAKare,

There is a proper places for raising taxes, but to continue to chase a dead horse with our money isn't one of them. That is why most conservatives hairs go up on the back of their necks when they hear Democrats wanting to raise taxes. How many trillion of tax payer dollars have been used to chased after these dead horse social programs. And when the horse is pronounce DOA, Liberals then call in for more funding. Throwing money at a problem will not fix the problem. All this will do is line some politician's pocket. But Liberal never seem to understand this reasoning.

Little Jimmy Dickens May the Bird of Paradise Fly Up Your Nose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBANUy8JU7M

Ref. Joe Biden's temper. He gets away with it only because he is a Senator. If he was a private citizen and he treated other like he does during hearings, things would be a bit different.

Patsi

You know me so well

lol

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163750

LOl

That one came to mind too.

Jack

Just to let you know, JJ's "columnist du jour" is our version of a babbling neocon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Warren_(columnist)

Patsi the dominatrix. . . What you have in mind for the Halloween party? :-)

SoetorObama's "Hidden" Past
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"Certified copies of Obama’s Application and Admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School"

Why are these documents being hidden from the American people?

Could one of the reasons be that the listed nationality was not US. Was it Indonesian? Was it Kenyan? Or a combination?

Anslem

It is 2008, not 1988

Bill Clinton tossed that all out the window. That is why it is going to be fun visiting Dem winger sites and listen to the moaning. They too are lost in the past.

Jack

Tylenol-in that Canadian for GORDO?

oh rosie.. much worse than GORDO.. lol

Ping

The main reason a lot of these programs have to be a government project rather than private organizations is very simple.

We are a nation of 3,537,441 square miles, 50 state entities, and more than 300 million people. Within that context there are amazingly wealthy areas and places so poor as to be unimaginable unless you happen to live there. The only organizations with the capacity to take in and distribute assistance are the feds or the states.

Local groups and charities and some national organizations such as Red Cross can act as stop gaps for short term aid or efficient servicers of needs particular to their specific area, but they can't do the whole job or operate day in day out with any real degree of equity.

Does that leave a lot of room for fraud and abuse? Of course it does. Is there a lot of duplication among various programs? Yes there is. This is where economic conservatives come in. It is their role to observe programs and recommend alterations or combinations to make them more effective and productive, but to think that the "thousand points of light" can take over for the federal government is pie in the sky dreaming.

Hey, tylenol!

McCain/Palin =

Incontinence/Incompetence

ROFL

Jack,

I'm just being a pain in the ass. sort of a continuation of my dinner table conversation with my kids about tattoos. I said go ahead, get em, but be prepared for skin grafts....

Most Repugs are hatemongers. Witness the attempts to take away Gay marriage in California vis-a-vis Proposition 8. Approximately 75% Of McInsane voters are for a ban; and about 75% of Obama voters are against the proposition which creates a state constitutional amendment against Gay marriages.

"What you have in mind for the Halloween party? :-)"

Actually, I was thinking of painting blood and gore all over me, marking myself with bus tracks and going as the Reverend Wright.....:)

ET - that's why I asked if any other countries with cocnstitution mentioned sexual practices. It is mortifying - next it will be the missionary position.

"I said go ahead, get em, but be prepared for skin grafts...."

Or at least where you can wear clothing over them.

Another problem is new ones look so great but they don't age well. I never did the tattoo thing it was too permanent.

Jack

I don't think most Rep.s are hate mongers, But the ones that are are just very very loud.

our usual ideas of the practice of unselfishness, which is the effort to identify with others and their needs while still under the strong illusion of being all alone in the world (a skin contained ego.) such unselfishness is
apt to be highly refined egotism,? comparable to the in group which pays the game of we are tolerant than

If we are generous as a one part of this world that makes the other part function as a total we are all better off ,,,,,im not religious, but spiritual------i would like one day to feel the whole world that is inside me, i think that very few really feel (truly spiritual) it would be egotistical to say that you did( bragging0,,,and not real,,,,can't bbe sharedonly felt?????the closest teachings that come close to this is the Vedanta philosophy of hinduisim,,,,,,the ancient teachings,,not the modern,,the ancient are as far back as 800bc,,,,

Patsi

You forgot the big knife in the back.

Jack

more tolerant than you -----that should be

Faron Young-Live Fast Love Hard Die Young

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opRWbMAJIpk

Sorry if confusing------maybe this ---every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe,This fact is rarely, if ever experienced by most individuals

good one Patsi, But

The Rev might be a stretch for you unless of course you got a nice looking dashiki. Otherwise, how about a hockey mom? Got lipstick? :-)

Dang, just when I thought the G Man's spew would subside for a bit, the Rethuglicans are dusting off Rezko for a last ditch attempt at smear. Gordo gets new life. lol

Ozarks Jubilee

Faron Young, Red Foley, String Bean, Speedy Haworth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcwwiGxfniQ

Faron Young - I've Got Five Dollars and Its Saturday Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mERrOY9EA2g

Jack -- Thanks for linking to Faron....here's one for you. Lo those years ago, Willie Nelson was sitting in a little shack behind his publishing company, staring at the walls....he knocked off a tune in a few minutes, everybody at Tootsie's laughed....except Faron Young. When he heard Willie needed a $50 loan, he said, "I won't loan you fifty -- but I'll give you fifty and cut that "wall" song."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMSWAUAKJn0&feature=related

Harrumph. Just switched over to watch game 3 and it was pouring cats-and-dogs in Philly. No game. Was the pre-game spectacular canceled as well?

"Otherwise, how about a hockey mom? Got lipstick? :-"

Nope -- I was a football mom. We don't smile when we kick ass. :)

Who?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/make-bush-mccains-october-surp.html#comment-163775

Solar,
This link has a condensed version of what you're talking about, I think. Although I'm sure it's just the tip of the iceberg.:)

"Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated "egos" inside bags of skin.

.......The first is not realizing that so-called opposites, such as light and darkness, sound and silence, solid and space, on and off, inside and outside, appearing and disappearing, cause and effect, are poles or aspects of the same thing...."
http://www.universal-tao.com/article/book.html

Chloe---thank you,,i was just reading the post above from et and others,,,it's been a while that i have read tao,,,and forgot most of it, did remember(some of it)on the second time around after taking my time,,,,,,thanks for the link.

"Who?
Posted by: BroD | October 25, 2008 9:04 PM"

You forgot "What, Where and When?"

chole ----have you read that book-----the book on the taboo against knowing who you are? i loved it and try to live it when i can, but something always gets in the way---always pissed at one thing or the other.

Back from Homecoming Pics. Going to watch the Rays continue the Oct Surprise.

Jack - you are 100% on !! And it is seperate.

How about allowing the users to choose - based on quality and give them choice with a voucher !!!

Did the rain stop?

"Did the rain stop?"

Channeling sturge: "But who will stop it?"

No Solar. I haven't.
But I think I'd find it interesting and will.

I've always been attracted to the eastern philosophies, but they can be difficult to comprehend, process and then incorporate into your life.

Thanks.

I think you're on to something there, Craig. Of course, it would just compact the core choir to denser-than-plutonium support. But I think it would be really, really fun to see Bush out there again -- seriously. And, God knows, the late-night comics would relish another round of shots at their favorite punching bag. Is there a petition or anything going around to sign? I'm in.

Solar, Is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Taboo-Against-Knowing-Who/dp/0679723005

Solar, Is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Taboo-Against-Knowing-Who/dp/0679723005

Chlo, i just had to find the book after talking to you about it, the Authors name is alan watts------i found it in a box that also had my favorite books of all times,,,,,,,,24 books of tarzan by edgar rice burroughs-------until the age of about 40 i have read them evey 5-7 yrs they take you (me ) to worlds of fantasy that no one has, i have forgot them all of these years,,,,i don't think they are worth much-- i will give them to some 15 yr old maybe he can enjoy them as much as i did.

Particularly from people that you suspect have never held Das Kapital much less read it.

I thought it was the alan watts book Solar. I'm ready for something new. I'm going to download it or order it.

That's great you found all those old books (and old memories). A lucky 15 yr old someplace.:)

Have a great evening.

I think that the tarzan books helped me survive this world at very diff times, when young,burroughs created worlds,and language's that made you part of it all------sorry for rambling.thanks

He read a Ruladen recipe and thought he got a PhD in Karl Marx.

Solar

I have Bourrough's Barsoom series in my library. I tought about giving it to my nephew when he was younger but I didn't think he would treat them with the proper respect;-)
I must admit I still lust a bit for Dejah Thoris.

Jack

Nope. Just don't like poorly informed pretenders.

Patsi

Your Willie story reminds me of when he was popular in the late 70's early80's. My sister said I don't see what is so good about him, all he does is sing old songs.
I laughed and said " He's got a right to sing them, he wrote most of them." He has been around a long time.

Jack

Jack..,..i know what you mean, i would not take it kindly if someone would mistreat these books--will look for the right kid-----lots of nephews to choose from, i also did a lot of reading of the western novels for kicks------there were some tough hombres in them,,,,,whilstleing pete comes to mind,,,,fast with them pistolas

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/wireStory?id=6111119

Everybody wants a piece of the bailout pie....

This is better than a soap opera.

Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

Patsi

I've got a liquidity problem too.
Do you suppose I could get them to drop me off a bottle of whiskey?

I'm in bad shape, to sober to stop, to drunk to drive.

Jack

Rez

Sounds like a smart girl. This one has been put to bed time look out for #1. If I were republican I would watch out for sharp knives.

Jack

Patsi,,,Jack is not going to stop until you spank him, so get on those high heels, uncoil that whip and let it fly,,,,i hate to see a grown man beg cry,,,especially a 6.3 it just aint pretty

"Patsi,,,Jack is not going to stop until you spank him, so get on those high heels, uncoil that whip and let it fly,,,,"

Exactly -- if it wasn't for that fantastic picture Jack posted of an okra flower, I'd smack him around a little.

Solar

15 min. and I will see if my retirement investment paid off or if I'll have to go to work monday.

Jack

Jack,

I don't want to count my chickens just yet but McCain's selection of her was a gift to Dems now and for the future.

Jack,

After this fiasco with Palin, my guess is that Obama's feeling pretty good about his selection of Biden or more accurately his non-selecton of HER.

* ducks for cover and slips on his slicker*

Hope it does jack---sounds like you worked hard for it

Rez there have been a few up in Alaska who've said that and they are still wondering what hit them. Notice her fellow Republicans are worried. Especially the intellectual elites of the party.

Jack

Your real hope is that Oil prices stay down and she has to deal with a state government that has no money. Then she doesn't look so good.
If not think Bill Clinton.

Jack

Jack,

As that article relates, her brand of cultural conservatism is in the minority in the nation and within her own.party. imo it's too small of a tent to worry many, both Goopers and Dems.

Maybe so, boyz....but I think you are wrong on several levels. We'll see.

But Huckabee and Browbeck and the others didn't get your hackles up, did they Rez????

"Your real hope is that Oil prices stay down" :-(

As you got trees, we got Oil.

One question -- who among you knew anything about her before she was named? And a second question. Who knew much if anything about Jon Tester? And why did the press act so surprised about either? Because nobody pays any attention. And THEN every friggin-body is an expert.

"Don't you love that diva crack Rez, you know he was thinking "bitch". "

Says it all.....best head to bed on that BS.

No, they didn't either! Palin's just another Huck with a skirt.

I admit to knowing shit about Palin, but I have several friends and some family living in MT so I was aware of his rising star.

Patsi,
As with Palin It's always been about the need for the Media to develope the horse race. Obama cashed in on it. Axelrod's not dumb. It's still that way and even more so with 10 days left. Palin tried to cash her chips, she just doesn't/didn't have the personal moxie and team behind her with the sophistication to pull it off. Plus, as someone has pointed out, her tent is too small. My comments about her aren't derogatory on her gender.
imo she's really not in the league with Huckabee and Romney. Only the ditto and slant heads like her

As you said , we'll see.

Rez, she is in the exact same boat as Huck...except her child only got pregnant -- didn't slit a dog's throat. I don't think you mean to see it in gender based terms. I just think you follow the meme.

Probably not too different from what you're saying. About the only thing I see in common with those two is, imo, the reality that both can't really go home any more. Huck starts a new career on tv (it will fail). I'm not sure what she'll do. The press says that don't know her in AK anymore, so it's up in the air.

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Somebody pays you for this crap?

Dateline Alaska

Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/567867.html