Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Actually I think she's calling him a black radical, IMO.

Craig I don't really think there is all that much to explain from everything I've read. Even CNN when reporting on the story prefaces it by saying it's not true.

The more she talks the more, people do not care for her style.....she is ( IMO )one reason that the Obama win will be a landslide....

Carl should be very proud of himself on this one...NOT !

Isn't anyone at least at the point to believe that maybe most voters have made up their minds? After the length of this contest and bigger than life differences in tickets.....who could possibly be undecided?

I wonder.....because I know no one in that undecided group.

while what Palin says might not be true, the whole truth is not clear regarding this matter. Obama has avoided providing details about his relations with Ayers, and anyone who knows the details has dodged media inquiries. i don't understand why a full accounting wouldn't be helpful to Obama, unless there is something to hide

My mother was trying to explain to me tonight that when people of her generation use the "N" word they don't mean anything negative by it.

She's 82...it was a rough Sunday dinner.

Obama’s Ties to Ayers: Back to High School? [UPDATE]

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/obamas-ties-to-ayers-back-to-high-school/

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How did Ayers Make Obama Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/05/how-did-ayers-make-obama-chair-of-the-chicago-annenberg-challenge/

as far as i can tell, Obama used Ayers as a political mentor to get his career off the ground -- as he did with Rezko and Wright. if that's as far as it went, that's okay. but let's get the record clear

I think that the Ayers topic is a distraction from the needs of the country and the voters interests. It's a McCain ploy to try to stop the Obama/Biden momentum, and actually they have had this info forever...it stale like yesterday's news.....kind of stale like McCain.

McCain hasn't provided one positive message for himself - so he attacks - just as he was attacked......he has nothing to lose, it's like they have thrown in the towel,little time left to score,put in the bench warmers of BS.

As I said Craig everything I've read on the subject is all smoke and no fire.

yes, unlikely b, the Ayers matter is a distraction -- but it's one that Obama has allowed to fester by not being clear and definitive about it

it's all smoke because Obama has kept it that way -- and the fire remains

Batchelor: Questions about Ayers, Dohrn, Obama

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/batchelor-questions-about-ayers-dohrn-obama/

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Questions for Barack About Bill Ayers

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/05/questions-for-barack-about-bill-ayers/

lucky for Obama, the Ayers story can be dismissed as "smoke" because the media has not been nearly as aggressive about probing Obama's deflections as it has about Palin's trooper mess

A sign of how bad things are in this world....my friend who is a cop had to arrest a 11 year-old girl and her 8 year-old brother on a school bus last week. Some person drove past my friend and his partner and told them there was some major problems on a school bus just down the road from them. When my friend and his partner arrived at the bus, a parent said there was a 11 year-old girl on the bus who was beating on several of the other kids on the bus. The girl was big for her age. When my friend was walking to the back of the bus to talk to the 11 year-old girl, her 8 year-old brother forcibly blocked the aisle and would not let my friend pass him. After trying to be nice to the boy, my friend had to push him down onto the seat. The 8 year-old went nuts, as did his 11 year-old sister. My friend and his partner ended up having to put both kids in handcuffs!

Craig I think if there was something there the press would have reported it ages ago. The Times did a big story on it the other day and nothing in it stroke me as very news worthy frankly. I guess you think other wise.

This is just a shabby attempt by Palin to get Obama off message, aint going to happen.

it's easy to say there's nothing news worthy when no one who really knows the story will talk to the press

Maybe the theatrics of BS sells well in middle America, I think McCain is playing middle Americans like fools and I think they know it and will revolt and vote Obama.....

Do you think the "fire" is that Obama is a terrorists? come on...if that was even close to the truth .... I guess if Obama is a terrorist and the US (or for that matter the two mavericks) can't stop him from being president, then.....twilight zone entrance step forward.

btw -McCain yard signs observation around here...currently falling into two categories
1. religious right people
2. and wealthy 60+ people

Corey, have you ever thought of moving to a move economically strong area? Sounds a bit out of control there.

Knows what? Why assume there is something to know? There is no evidence other than there acquaintanceship was very casual.

Obama/Ayers Update: New York Times Ignores Evidence of Ayers’ Role in Annenberg Board Selection

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/04/obamaayers-update-new-york-times-ignores-evidence-of-ayers-role-in-annenberg-board-selection/

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The New York Times Drops the Ball on Ayers and Obama

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/04/the-new-york-times-drops-the-ball-on-ayers-and-obama/

Will be moving shortly. Not out of Holland, but moving.

there is no evidence because the witnesses won't talk

Sarah on Obama & Ayers

"Paul Villareal has created a unique YouTube with links — like I’ve never seen done before in a video — to other videos that back up Gov. Palin’s remarks about Obama’s proven, long close association with Bill Ayers:"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/05/open-thread-sarah-on-obama-ayers/

here's my dilemma: if ayers and their mutual friends won't talk, how are we to assume there is nothing to talk about? but, as i say, lucky for obama, the media is not terribly interested in filling this void

I think it's unfair of you Craig to assume there is a void to be filled with nothing to back that up, and countless people who know both men say there is nothing there.

i went thru this with the clinton campaign in '92. i kept writing about questions regarding his truthfulness but most of my collegaues wrote it off, rationalized his lies and called them a "distraction" -- i am in deep deja vu

Fox News wasn't around in '92.

i have this funny feeling, brian, that years from now you will be hating Michele as an Ilinois senator running for president as you hated Hillary this year despite enthusiastically supporting Bill in '92. i honestly hope i am wrong

I don't think Michelle will run, I don't get that vibe from her!

i do

ok

And BTW Craig please explain to me how one goes about proving a negative.

well, i am going to take a break from my paranoia and watch "Dexter" for something upeat

you prove a negative by not saying no comment

Silly me, I thought it was the job of the press to report, not to speculate.

Craig

So are you saying in essence that perhaps Michelle will take over BO senate seat if he wins presidency?

Julie

Which brings another question. It has been reported before that Kennedy was going to turn over his seat to his wife. If the Mass gov loses, how will Kennedy get his wife to the seat. The Mass gov being the one who agreed to appoint Mrs Kennedy . Not very likely he will ever be able to return to the senate..

Julie

and the reporting should be that obama camp is stonewalling the ayers story -- no speculation required

no, julie, that would be much too soon

back to Dexter

Why not ask John Mccain about his membership in the United States Council for World Freedom (USCWF). everyone just wants to check Obama and not Mccain for some reason. Why's that? Ask McCain about his association with Singlaub and Liddy (felon) while your at it.

Fromwiki:
The USCWF was placed under watch by the Anti-Defamation League, which noted the organization had increasingly become a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DC1338F93AA25757C0A96E948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Enjoy Dexter

And another thing Craig, just because McCain and Co. wants to re argue the 60s doesn't mean the rest of us have to go along with him.

Umm, I guess we should find out what all of McCain's former and present acquiantences were doing 64 years ago when John was 8.
I'm sure they are all dead but who knows what may come out of the closet.
This Ayers thing is ridiculous.
My first thought is "isn't Ayers a free man who has been involved in local politics?" Umm, since when has redemption not been an American idea? Oh since the fake Christians have defined it, they should all be ashamed!

The US Supreme Court meets today on the First Monday in October. I have posted some trivia about the Court for those interested.

www.eprof22.blogspot.com.

Well I'm off to bed, but before I go I have one word to say, tool.

"you prove a negative by not saying no comment"

Posted by: Craig Crawford October 5, 2008 11:58 PM

Good Grief! I just reviewed a 5 minute question answer session Obama had with George Step. and Hillary before millions during their primary TV debate. Obama didn't deny their friendship or relationship/association and he did denounce and repudiate Ayers Actions as a bomber 40 years ago. This could hardly be consider making "No comment' about him.

Does anyone think the electorate wants to go over and over all these past associations of McCain and Obama? I don't think so. If so get ready for the trip down to the gutter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlnoXZWRjgE

Rez,

I don't think craig meant that Obama had no comment. He meant Obama associates and people who know the two and their association.. They were also involved in the annenberg project together. So how can Obama say Ayers was just a neighborhood acquaintance.. Someone somewhere knows, they just won't say..

Rez,

"Does anyone think the electorate wants to go over and over all these past associations of McCain and Obama? "
Obama campaign will start the old Keating five subject this week..

Its only fair to see the list of McCain associates. Especially since McCain actually new them and dealt with them as adults and while they were still actually doing their questionable activities.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/5/132655/227/188/604945

Someone somewhere knows what? They both worked on the Annenberg Project, that's a matter of public record. Do you consider everyone you work with Julie to be a close associate?

"Bill Ayers and Barack Obama have been linked during their time in the city of Chicago, where together they lead a charge for education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper."[34] Obama was then named to the Chicago Annenberg Project board to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[35] Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[35] Ayers also contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001."[34] Since 2002, there has been little public evidence linking Obama and Ayers.[35] Though Ayers and Obama have remained friends,[citation needed] Obama says he has not visited Ayers during the presidential campaign. The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[36]

In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[37] Obama would also dismiss Ayers as no more than "a guy who lives in my neighborhood"[35] and "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."[35] On October 5, 2008, CNN stated that their own "review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved."[38]

At several rallies in October 2008, McCain's vice presidential running mate Sarah Palin began publically emphasizing the link between Obama and Ayers, saying that the Illinois senator "pal(s) around...with terrorists who targeted our own country."[38] Obama responded to the attacks at an event in Asheville, North Carolina: "Senator McCain and his operatives are gambling that they can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. They'd rather try to tear our campaign down than lift this country up. That's what you do when you're out of touch, out of ideas, and running out of time."[38]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Barack_Obama_Connection

This story has been investigated by just about every major news org. in the nation. There is nothing there, no matter how much TV time seeking pundits wish it were otherwise.

Brian, to your first question, No.. But it is more than Obama has said as just being a neighborhood acquaintance.

Here is also a clip from chicago university.. google search

Another Obama/Ayres Connection

In November of 1997, William Ayres and Barack Obama participated in a Community Service Center’s monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago.

Michelle Obama was Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, and Director of the Chicago Community Service Center at the time.

The panel debated the merits of the juvenile justice system by answering the question, “Should a child ever be called a “super predator?”

The full text of the November 4, 1997 University of Chicago news release can be found here.

This from Pittsburg Tribune - posted on real clear politics. re: obama ayers - Why do Obama deeds not equate with his words.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_591517.html

"Obama campaign will start the old Keating five subject this week."

Julie,

Obama is making the info available and directing anyone there who wants to know more about McCain's past.
He's not going to be swiftboated or take crap from McCain or Palin without slapping back.

Palin doesn't have much room to boast herself, she's under multiple investigations for corruption as we write. TODAY, not for something that occured 10-15 years ago.

So? All this is public record, long know. What is the point you are trying to make? both men worked in community service, common knowledge. All you're doing Julie is proving my point, Obama's "relationship with Ayers is well documented in the public records. There is no story here, except for the desperate rantings of losing candidate and those who back him up.

N.Y. Times whitewashes Obama-Ayers connection
Fails to report key associations, ignores incriminating documents given to paper

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77075

yeah, like not reporting her per diem on her income tax as required by law.

Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light

"Add in the fact that former Weatherman and admitted terrorist William Ayers (whom Obama described in the Philadelphia debate as merely a "neighbor") was head of the operating arm of the CAC, working with Obama on distributing scores of millions of dollars to grantees in the wards of the city, and you have a topic that the Obama campaign wishes to avoid at all costs.

A compliant media has averted its eyes so far. A timeline of Obama's career from George Washington University omits it."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

Brian

I was merely showing that there was more than just a neighbor. He had many associations with Ayers. Ayers was a real terrorist that just never got prosecuted due to a error by govt.. He in fact said they had not done enough and he wished he had done more., 2001...

Since 1960's radicals seems to be the topic tonight, I am posting a story here about Karleton (Karl) Armstrong, who I am sure you folks , who are experts on Wm. Ayers, know all about.
Armstrong bombed Army Math on the UW campus, 38 years ago.
I knew he had returned to Madison and when I was there for a political conference , I asked a bartender at a bowling alley if he had ever met Armstong. "Sure, he comes in here once in a while for beers...why?"
"Oh no reason, just curious."
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/state/aug00/sterling20081900a.asp

Looks like George W. Palin brought a knife to a gun fight :

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

From high above...okay,okay, so it's just halfway up..the western slope of the magnificent Sierra Nevada, I've finally managed to get on line. I've been catching up on the past blogs and am kinda surprised.

Of course, I didn't watch the debate really. I've seen bits of it, but would rather listen to all your comments. I think you all know a lot about what you watch.

The answers I saw her give were at least spoken better, but I can't get past the wandering bits of sentences that are tacked together and make little sense - these from the answers I saw.

She sure did study and improved her performance and I'm glad for her in that. I resented the one answer I heard her give when she flat out said she was going to talk about something else.

But the voters have to decide whether they were satisfied with her, and from what I've seen the voters think Joe won. We'll see..

Re 'gotcha questions'.....Years ago, an ex-brother-in-law was interviewing for a pretty nice position in law but couldn't stand the insufferable interviewer. the poor idiot tried to catch my bil with a gotcha question:
what is one of your weak points? Mike told him he had hemmorrhoids.

Craig - It comes to mind that back during the primaries there were a lot of us who felt that Obama was never asked questions designed to give us a well-rounded picture of the man. Many of us wanted to know more about his relationship with Ayers and Wright et al. We got NO - NONE- NADA co-operation from the media.
The already commited Obama supporters were angry at us and said it wasn't so. They are still saying Obama was vetted completely.

Those of us who weren't satisfied had to bite our lips and accept him as the nominee, and it's now more than bittersweet to hear all this again. If this makes a difference in the campaign, to me the real villains in the piece are the media. The only ones who mentioned Ayers afer a while were those on Fox, and if it now begins to resonate, this time it will be the media and not scotus who handed over an election to an un-deserving candidate. I don't honestly think it will make a difference, but if so.......

"and the reporting should be that obama camp is stonewalling the ayers story -- no speculation required"

Good morning and thank you Craig for the acknowledging this question.

Gordo- You're back and with loaded with bear. Been wondering where you were.

new thread, old sea. you may want to repost your ty to craig on it.

Gordo's so called info is pure bull. I've looked at all his NoQuarter stuff and it's all innuendo, no substance.

Why expect damaging info from pro-SoetorObama sources?

Someone learned a little from McCain -Palin. Change the subject. LOL

Odinga ?

BO and I are the same age. I live in Chicago (and have all my life). I have been at events, large and small w/ Mr. Ayers. Only about the 5th or 6th time when someone pointed him out to me did I ask, "why is it that people always point him out to me?" Only then did I hear the story.

Fourteen years ago, pre-Google search, information was passed differently than it is today. It's entirely possible that, as Axe has asserted, that BO just didn't know the guys background.

On a similar topic: if the standard of "guilt by association" or "known by the company you keep" is how Palin-McCain want to run things, I guess associating with a secessionist movement, a speaking (oops, I meant "speakin'") in tounges church and a financial hustler should also be included in the discussion.

I'm not a biblical scholar, but I think someone once warned that only those without sin should be casting stones. Maybe the "Thrilla from Wasilla" didn't understand that in her church.

Once a terrorists always a terrorists, in fact AYERS married a fellow terrorists. Just because they gave up bombing for education. Does not mean they will not take up the "BOMB" again. I will repeat once a terrorist always a terrorist.

Obama started his campaign for State Senate in his home at a dinner party. In fact the person he was replacing introduced him. But then she changed her mind and wanted to run and asked Obama to withdraw. But he said NO, and in that great tradition of "CHICAGO" politics he threw her off the ballot in court.

You see he could not beat her at the polls so he just used the "CHICAGO" courts to throw her off.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com