Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Fact checking the debate:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081003/Debate.Fact.Check/

""Craig, Really? You're equating "doggonit" with Main Street? You realize that Mayberry isn't a real place, right?"

Good one blue!

Posted by: Rezdog"

Ha, you snobs, of course Mayberry is real: http://mayberrynews.com/mt/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1

Best news of all last night? Dodgers 10-3 over the Cubs!

CQ's debate fact check: http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002970238

Gee Willakers! my bad.

Scoot over Otis ! LOL

Question 1...

Were a black candidate to use a vernacular considered "folksy" for his culture or neighborhood, would that still be considered "folksy" after the third word ending in "shizzle"

Question 2...

Did anyone see this between BillO and Barney?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/bill-oreilly-and-barney-f_n_131569.html

He's trying to blame Frank for something that happened right after he took over the Banking Committee...if the Dems can be blamed, how did Bush escape blame for 9/11?

Question 3...

I saw the Republican leadership saying that the bill they are considering is a better bill, not just because of FDIC increase, but because of other items, many considered pork. Why must they be bribed to act in the best interest of the country?

"Thursday night's debate secured a place for Palin on the national stage.

God help us!

Personally, it's more fun to listen to people bashing the Cubs, than to listen to people bashing Palin.

My favorite claim made by Palin! lmao

Palin was right that Obama has voted with the Democrats 96 percent of the time. . .From CQ's debate fact check above

Barney Fife and the constitution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuPQgV8yBM

Palin "won"? Really? Aren't we over the George W. "ah shucks, I'm just like you" phoniness? I figure that all those people who are going to fall for that were already in the McCain camp anyway. This race is over. The Palin brand is damaged because people know she's a dunce. McCain is a chicken with his head cut off and neither can distinguish themselves from their hero, GWB. Obama in a rout.

Following John McCain's concession of Michigan, an analysis of the Intrade.com Presidential Futures market state-by-state data shows Barak Obama inching closer to the 271 Electoral College votes needed to predict him the winner of the 2008 Presidential race. Investors now predict Obama will take Michigan. In addition, New Mexico is also now predicted to go to Obama. As of today, Obama is predicted to garner 265 Electoral College votes to McCain's 158 votes, leaving 115 votes to close to call.

These shifts leave only Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado, and Missouri in play. As of today, with the exception of Nevada and New Hampshire, Obama only needs to pick up one of the remaining states to be predicted the winner in November.

Well so far she is doing good at appearing earnest, but I think she is still as smart as a pile of bricks tossed on the ground.

forgot the link to my Intrade analysis...

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

The talk about gay marriage pisses me off. Why do religious thugs get so bent out of shape about this? Civil marriage does not break the sanctity of religious marriages (and religious marriages do not break the sanctity if that particular faith supports it).

Looking at how straights have handled marriage through the years, I would question the whole concept of "defense of traditional marriage".

EuroTom, If you look at how straights have handled marriage, you'd probably ask yourself, "Why the hell do I wanna get married?"

'...but it wasn't a "game changer."'

By Craig Crawford | October 3, 2008 11:15 AM

*sigh*

Corey, luv the Barney Fife constitution video -- great catch!

Eurotom,

I'm surprised the ABA hasn't pushed for a gay marriage ruling...I'm sure they would see their divorce business spike overnight.

"Perhaps it was not a game changer for the presidential election, but it was one for Palin's future."

By Craig Crawford | October 3, 2008 11:15 AM

"...Palin has redeemed herself among the base and preserved he[r] political career, I believe."

Posted by: champ | October 2, 2008 10:05 PM

Is CQ hiring?

Observations..

1. Palin is very annoying to me. She seems to have a mean streak and lacks humility..If she posted here, she would soon be added as my 5th knothead.

2. Bill O'Reilly seemed mentally unstable with his tirade toward Barney Frank. Fox was proudly showing the tape this morning, evidently not understanding that it was an embarrassment to O'Reilly and the network.
Just imagine how he treats his wife and co-workers.

EuroTom, If you look at how straights have handled marriage, you'd probably ask yourself, "Why the hell do I wanna get married?"

Posted by: Corey | October 3, 2008 11:48 AM

heheheh good one Corey. My Belgian ex has married an American... and the whole thing scared the heck out of me...

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
And nothing at all keeps sending him...

My fave Doobie's hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oh3_q89tDw&feature=related

Thanks, Craig.

Tom, you'd be amazed at how many people I run into who ask me if I'm married yet. Most of them tell me how "smart" I am when I tell them I am still single.

Good one Craig

I have been saying the same thing for awhile now, but it doesn't come out as fluent ( my med makes me stuter---maybe effects my thinking sometiiimmes) as you expressed it . Obama loaded up with the Kennedy's, Kerry's, even Joe B his vp pick is so stuck up that it takes effort to listen to them. A dangit it's a very lucky thing that it's so close to Nov. and voting time, or else Palin would turn this thing completely around by her self---she comes across to regular speaking folk, she would mentally apeal to the border line bigot that is in some of us, this may not sound too nice, but I talk to a lot of diff, people from a lot of diff,walks of life, and out on the streets and that's the way they come across. It's the talk of some in Indiana. and here in the burbs where i live.

"she would soon be added as my 5th knothead."

Only 4?

here in the burbs of Chicago---

Come on, Craig. I know you're just trying to be provocative. Did Palin exceed her very low expectations? Yes, but it would have been hard not to exceed them. We cannot afford to have someone with such lack of substance in such a position of leadership. McCain chose her out of spite because he could not have the running mate he wanted. Well, the choice is coming back to haunt him and it reflects his reactive, angry disposition. To the extent the choice helps to bring him down, I'm glad to chose her.

Some must forget that Palin is a programmed character that only says what the GOP base has drilled into her head. I do not call this authenticity, but just another pawn in the plan. While I am not all gung ho about Joe B's performance, it's a shame some people actually fell for the Palin menagerie.

Couple thoughts about last night's debate based on watching a replay on CNN ...The replay of the the debate overlaid the simultaneous results of a dial group of undecided voters in Ohio.

1) Biden consistently had higher ratings, especially among women participants. When comparing just women's responses, it appeared Biden had higher ratings than Palin.

2) Palin's highest ratings appeared to be the result of her lining out specifics without bringing McCain's name into her answer. Her ratings fell when she appeared to be only reciting McCain's positions on issues.

3) Palin's ratings consistently fell when a) she got "snarky" in her answers (women especially dialed her down), or b) when she tried to overlay how her experiences governing in Alaska translated to the national stage (men especially dialed her down).

4) Biden did best when his answers were cogent statements on the specifics of how the Obama administration would address issues.

Bottom Line:

1) Both candidates did best when they outlined specific positions without comparing those positions to their opponents.

2) . Neither candidate was rated favorably (especially Palin) when they attacked their opponents. In other words, finger-pointing and divisiveness was not rewarded.

3) Palin did best when she appeared "Presidential." She did especially well when she was able to articulate specifics on positions without appearing to be only a puppet of the McCain campaign. The "soccer mom" image clearly was not as effective as appearing competent.

Palin's performance last night if she swayed any undecided voters, everything so far says that is not the case. Craig your threshold for what you consider to be a win is in my opinion very low. Did she move McCain any closer to 270? Did she pass the commander in chief test?

I felt the debate featured the head cheerleaders for both campaigns without it being a paid commercial. I learned nothing new about either candidate or campaign and I expected Palin to give a good performance as did Biden. Both Biden and Palin looked down to read their notes, talking points, etc...not bad for the second bananas.

Fallout from McCain's Michigan decision:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS15/81003055

BTW, if you visit the Detroit Free Press, they have an interview with Obama.

For you Cubs fans out there...

I just heard that in the 8 years the Astros have played in Minute Made Park, they have more home, post season wins than the Cubs do in 74 years at Wrigley Field...that's not a very good sign...

Coffee Break and general goof off mouse exerciser

Apple Picking Time

http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g2/applegame.htm

Craig

This time I'm disagreeing. She managed to get through the evening by only saying "also" 48 times and avoiding giving an answer to any question she didn't like. That might keep her in office in Alaska, but she really, really needs to go home.

It may be a male/female divide but these sicky sweet goo goo eyed dolls just aren't good for anyone, and if you are sugar sensitive they can be deadly if only from the knife in your back.

You might want to go hang out with some church ladies, PTA meetings, or solidarities for various kinds. A couple of years with some of those women could get you ready for the black berets.

The only subject on which Palin displayed superior knowledge was when she corrected Biden on the proper delivery of "Drill, baby, drill!"
Christie Hefner thought Palin's sex-tinged twist on the chant should be appropriated for a commercial. Perhaps for Viagra.

I learned one thing from watching the pundits as they have become more entertaining than the candidates themselves. This has been one rich election season for the MSM and in hi-def, too.

On CNN, Soledad queried the focus group of undecided voters about how many thought Obama would win, most raised their hands...less for McCain. She asked how many people were going to vote for Obama, several raised their hand. Whoops...they are now out the focus group as they were supposed to be undecided. One gentlemen realized his mistake immediately. For once, Soledad played a skillful game of 'simon says' and revealed the real truth. I always thought these focus groups were phony.

Forgot the cite.
"The only subject on which Palin displayed superior knowledge was when she corrected Biden on the proper delivery of "Drill, baby, drill!" Christie Hefner thought Palin's sex-tinged twist on the chant should be appropriated for a commercial. Perhaps for Viagra." A Huffington

Another NH poll:

MANCHESTER (AP) – A new poll by the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at Saint Anselm College shows Barack Obama leading John McCain.

When asked whom they plan to vote for on Nov. 4, 49 percent said Obama and 37 percent said McCain. Another 11 percent said they are undecided.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS08/310039949/-1/news08

Looks like it's time to take NH out of toss up status!

'open your eyes and you shall see '
said the blind man

Viv

Just used my juicer and thought about you.

Remember, every day or at least every other day for 4-5months. 1- large apple, 4-5 carrots, 1 small slice of beet.
and you and your son will feel great, just do it. drink it over crushed ice as soon as you make it, this way you get the full benefits of the fruits, oh do not peel anything, It can get a little expensive, so you can drink it as a dessert, instead of that mmmm slice of oops gotta go raid the refrig.Buy only a 5-7 day supply and keep fresh--no waste, organic if you can also, good luck.

I am 2/3rd done with watching the debate. Biden is in total command of the issues. Palin is doing better than I would have expected. My reaction to the VP candidates is as follows: Joe Biden, is the tried and true professor and educating the class about the world of politics and social policy. Sarah Palin is the ernest student who has been busy cramming for a verbal exam and doing passable work in giving answers to the questions, but no further. She is not delving deeper and often sounds like she is quoting memorized campaign literature rather than having a full grasp of the issues. She's studied hard, but is definitely intellectually weaker than the professor, at least at this moment in time.

Solarcrete,

What kind of juicer do you have?

I think Palin gave a good answer on understanding the role of the VP and she tied her quip about what does a VP do with Joe Biden's quip of "I would never be a vice presidential candidate". So points to her on this. Craig is correct in that Sarah comes across as very human and likable, more down to earth. Joe comes across the higher intellect but done without demeaning or attacking his debate opponent. Overall, this debate is proving to be more interesting then the one with McCain and Obama.

Bear

Jack Lalanne--cost-co under 100 bucks--also get a book on jiciing

Palin doesn't read newspapers? Who cares.
What blogs does she read.

The newspapers only add to misinformation.

Bear--- a book on juicing, up and down answering two way radios, sorry.

I was touched by Biden's open hearted comments related to being a single parent

craig, refreshing indeed to hear:

"...it was the predator lenders....... There was deception there, and there was greed and there is corruption on Wall Street. And we need to stop that.....
....let’s commit ourselves just every day American people, Joe Six Pack, hockey moms across the nation, I think we need to band together and say never again. Never will we be exploited and taken advantage of again by those who are managing our money and loaning us these dollars. We need to make sure that we demand from the federal government strict oversight of those entities in charge of our investments and our savings and we need also to not get ourselves in debt. Let’s do what our parents told us before we probably even got that first credit card. Don’t live outside of our means. We need to make sure that as individuals we’re taking personal responsibility through all of this.......

still not going to vote for her, but more of the above would be a refreshing change from the me-first era drivel. let's get back to the "ask not what the country can do for you..." and encourage a little more sacrifice from regular folks rather than just from the troops.

Craig - My bad. Mayberry exists-ish. Perhaps a group get-together for Mayberry-fest would be in order next year. We can pepper our conversations with all of the shucks, don't-cha-know, by gosh & by golly, land-o-Goshen, and doggonits you can handle.

Seriously, my hometown was about 2,000 people. Mostly you'll just hear small business-owners and cranky, old farmers discussing the economy & politics...none of Palin's perky-isms...so I don't know that they found her performance appealing. She was definitely trying to scare them to her side with the tax issue.

I would like one of this blog's psychologist commentors to explain her personality. I got an uber-bad feeling from her from the get-go, and, increasingly, something just doesn't seem right. I don't trust what she says & I definitely wouldn't turn my back on her.

ping - I am not an Obamaniac...I am still a Hil'ry supporter at heart. McCain, however, looks increasingly erratic and has behaved more dispicably than I could have imagined, all the while claiming to be honest. Shameful.

Here is the way PUMA can put country first; let the Hil'ry thing go like I did.

Let's hope the info about polls being skewed because many of us don't have landlines is correct.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Sept. 30-Oct. 2 has Barack Obama leading John McCain by seven percentage points, 49% to 42%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110944/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leading-Points.aspx

15 minute vote now taking place.

Looks like it's going to pass Jamie. Lets hope it works and eases up the credit crunch.

More and more Americans...hockey moms and this Joe Six-Pack fella...would find they had far fewer means and would have a lower quality of life if they follow the McCain plan.

Additionally, every small business owner cringed when she said, "...don't live beyond our means." Their sales are already declining.

I wish the USA would do what Benelux and France did when Fortis and Dexia were about to fail and that is nationalize the banks immediately and take command of them !!

"Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose."

-John Maynard Keynes

END THE FED

Oh there is a big recession ahead! Attaboy George Bush

Dennis J. Kucinich , D-Ohio, described how a 90-year-old widow in Ohio apparently shot herself in the chest this week as sheriff’s deputies knocked on her door with eviction papers for the home where she’s lived for nearly 40 years.

“This bill does nothing for the Addie Polks of the world,” Kucinich said. “This bill fails to address the fact that millions of homeowners are facing foreclosure, are facing the loss of their home. This bill will take care of Wall Street and the market may go up for a few days. But democracy is going downhill.”

Benton Ives and Jonathan Allen contributed to this story.

First posted Oct. 3, 2008 10:12 a.m
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002970215&cpage=4
" Devin Nunes , R-Calif., slammed Paulson, a former executive at Goldman Sachs, and urged his colleagues not to hand him such a huge amount of money.

“Why do we need to give $700 billion to one man to play hedge fund god from the gilded offices of the United States Treasury?” Nunes said. “If the secretary wants to run a hedge fund, he should go back to Wall Street.”

bear, I'll have to mention that to Mrs. P, see if she can get some movement in that direction - I
m sure she'd like the additional business.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154240

Jamie,

I actually think the first $350 Billion will do a lot and here's why...

By buying up the bad debt, we will free up the log jam in the credit markets.

By buying up the MBS, the Feds will now be owners of a lot of these problem mortgages and can start reworking them to keep people in homes.

The biggest problem right now with the real estate market is the excess of inventory. Builders have done well to cut production but the number of foreclosures has flooded the market still. If you can reduce the home seizures to mostly just investment homes in the short term, things will stabilize.

After that, the dropping of home values will finally stop and the recovery will begin...

Bear...how many years do you think the housing market will be in recovery?

To unwind the mortage backed securities requires Plan B.

But the truth is, they had a choice. They could have chosen Plan B.

Plan B would have focused on the underlying mortgages that are the root of the problem, rather than simply bailing out the financial intermediaries. After all, the fundamental problem with the mortgage-backed securities market is the lack of information. With good information--however bad the news--liquidity would return to that market.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul/time-for-plan-b_b_131408.html

Too bad Bush/Paulson chose the appearance of a fix and the Democrats went along.

Craig, the conventional wisdom? Even the AZ Republic, John McCain's hometown newspaper declared Biden the winner and Palin holding her own -- at a very low level from pre-debate expectations. You'd better go back and check your "conventional wisdom" against other "conventional wisdoms." Loved the Barney Fife video, Corey.

bear, I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head - re the excess inventory, but it appears to be declining, at least in existing homes.

http://www.hwmarketintelligence.com/analysisobjects/existinghomeinventory.asp?ProductCategory=HA

http://www.hwmarketintelligence.com/homebuilding/homebuilding.asp

note all the Ds and Fs. The affordibility ratios and the mortgage rates are about the only bright spots that are tied directly to the housing industry.

EProf - That means there is one thing the AZ Republic and I agree on. Exactly one thing in all likelihood (with the possible exception being the beauty of the drive from Pheonix to the Grand Canyon.)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154287

Bear, It solves the flow of credit, at least for now. That doesn't resolve the jobs problem. That is going to take time to work out of and because of this bill there isn't going to be investment money in industries likely to provide jobs. The estimate is that car sales alone will be off significantly. When combined with falling house prices that reduce equity lines for home improvements ... more jobs gone. Virtually every sector is going to take a hit.

One of my younger brothers just called me, said that he just made his final college payment for his son, asked me what to with, and if he has extra cash, told him to pay off all credit cards if he has any, to make an additional check for $50 to $100.00 and apply it to towards his mortgage int, to save and to offset the high price of living, he is lucky, my son Tom lost his job as trader for M F Globel, He is now going for his 2nd interview for a position that over 60 have applied for, my son is pissed because he is paying taxes on his unemployment check. With the new unemployment figures that are out now, you would think that someone would listen to them and repeal this very regressive tax that hurts the middle class, why won't the D's play hard ball against the R's about this Reagan tax? they haven't even mentioned it,I think that it would help the candidates that are running for congress and increase the #'s of D's, I f Rom Emanuel (the bull dog that he is) ran with this he would take over as leader of the hse?

Debate Assistant

http://doodlechris.blogspot.com/

Yes, Pogo, that makes two of us that can't find much common ground with the AZ Republic editors. The name of the paper should be AZ Republican for all the support it gives the GOP and conservative views. The state itself is moving toward the left with a Dem governor and four of the eight members of Congress are Dems. In a perverse way, if McCain should win the WH, AZ will have a Dem senator. That's our silver lining should the skies turn to McCain or if they can steal enough votes, lock out enough voters, or send this election to the Supreme Court.

Bear: It's probably just as well that the Cubs don't win in the postseason. If they did win the WS I would start looking for the unavoidable world-ending asteroid hurtling towards Earth.

I'm sure if we looked hard enough there is some reference to the team of the little bear and its connection to the end of days in Revelations. :)

Frankly, nothing the Cubs' do (or don't do) surprises me anymore.

i'm sure biden's ''moment'' was honest and sincere
sure glad palin did'nt have one
ya'll would had been screaming this morning
she's too weak to be vp
she's too emotional''what if she cries during a crisis ?
the double standards continue

Biden said last come to Wilmington where I live and go to Katie's restaurant and home depot. Only thing is, katie's restaurant has been closed for years..

EProf - when I was out that way for depositions a few times last winter, that was my impression. I have to laugh - I was going to call it the AZ Repblic(an) in my previous post, but for some reason decided to name it straight.

Bear; Pogo

What im trying to do is to get is little creative, I have contacted tax property buyers---these buyers of property that went up on auction due to taxes not paid for years. One group of buyers have 28 lots in the chicago area, and are paying taxes now on these lots. Working with a mortgage co. in indana they are going to release 3 lots to us. We have a short list of 800 and above credit buyers for these new 3 flats that will be build, I will give them 10% equity (profit) to these people that will be approved when the credit is available for construction. The tax buyers will be paid an agreed price for the 3 lots at closing, this should go well and then work on the other lots that are left. I hope to build the SolarCrete homes on these lots and figure out how to get energy credit from the Gov.

Wouldn't it be fun if McCain lost his own state.

i'm sure biden's ''moment'' was honest and sincere
sure glad palin did'nt have one
ya'll would had been screaming this morning
she's too weak to be vp
she's too emotional''what if she cries during a crisis ?
the double standards continue

Posted by: mqw | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM

oh puhleeez... She couldn't even accurately understand the limitations of the Vice Presidency. It was Joseph Biden who pointed out the CONSTITUTIONAL ROLE of the VP and I think he was saying to Palin "if by some fluke you guys do win, fat chance of you having some large role in the U.S. Senate. Tie-breaker votes only." He basically put her on notice.

Blonde Wino,

With regards to your 1:34 question, I would give the markets about 6-12 months from the cash infusion to hit a true bottom. If you look at the historical value curve, you'd see that in every down turn, it is typically a 3 year process from start to finish. In this current cycle, Q4 2007 should have been the start of bottom. As we've seen, this was a unique period that has thrown them out of whack.

I have some clients who are investors and I prepared them for the market by cashing out every penny of equity they could muster. They are getting back into the market now because there are a ton of bargains.

Jamie,

While it doesn't directly affect job creation, the bill will help because once the credit market frees up and business owners see they can get money to buy inventory and cover their payroll, they will see their revenue numbers stabilize and they will be in a better psychological position to consider hiring again.

If you aren't sure you will have the money to operate tomorrow, job or business growth is the last thing on your mind...

Solarcrete,

I know some people who have made money with the tax sales but I've never been able to fully grasp the concept for them.

If you wanted to speculate in Florida, you can find a ton of vacant lots and homes that I am sure are on the rolls.

It sounds like you have a good plan though...I hope it works for you. If you have any mortgage questions, don't hesitate to ask...

Tom,

It would be nice if Biden also pointed out the CONSTITUTIONAL role of the treasury, and the UNCONSTITUTIONAL role of the FED, since he's so smart, and while we're talking about the Constitution.

BTW,

A HS classmate of mine is a Republican party leader in a town in CT...his take on last night's debate was this...

Not a total train wreck.... and unfortunately not the Acela either

Google-Yahoo Deal Needs Oversight, Senator Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210605609

Google needs oversight, but the Paulson/Bernanke Bailout Bill doesn't. Priorities?

Champ,

If memory serves me (quick what tv show used that line to describe that week's episode?) the first Central Bank was founded in the 1790's by an act of Congress. I think the same holds true for the current system and I suspect that were it in fact unconstitutional, someone's challenge would have been deemed as such by a federal court at some point in time.

If you read the wiki page, the purpose of the Fed is to prevent banking panics so even if it fails, I'm not sure why you would want to do away with it...

Bear

Thanks, I do have a big concern. the high price of building materials have gone sky high----concrete will be $120.00 per yard and going up due to winter, fuel for operating machines etc. etc. my fear will i get a decent return, or just work for a pay check and consider myself lucky, I guess my question is what will the new constructed building sell for? that an investor would want to spend, if they rent out to section 8 people will this help?

Champ are you upset?

from previous thread.

milquetoast -- Although your oblique post seems to have a point, I cannot find it. Is it a collection of loosely-strung, high-minded cliches from a bygone era?
Posted by: Mike Farrace

Mike F. from previous thread

If my point is too subtle, indirect, perhaps you were distracted by the great words of Thomas Paine, "These are the times that try men's souls." words that mobilized a nation in former grave times, it seems you prefer the clarity of Obama's campaign theme, "Hope" and "Change." themes you deem worthy of a historian's scribe, but to me represent only the migraine of pretense.

Begone era, fancy that. It is by inclination and design I hark back to a distant era, the Edwardian age to be precise, which sometimes influences my writing, as to that fault, if fault it be, I plead guilty.

Be assured I take no offense if my words convey but little to you, yet wonder if my words were so obscure, why you would have labored to instill some meaning? Also why you would take the time to comment, which might be construed as a validation that my words aren't totally lost to reason.

You refer to things not in evidence: his "inimitable" weakness, a word around which you perform an awkward dance in order to label him cunning, too. And what was the "price being paid" and why with "ready money?" Are you sure you're not quoting from an episode of Deadwood?
Posted by: Mike Farrace

I have been measured in my criticism of BO plucking words from his most passionate supporters in the MSM to bolster my point. I turned to BO's own ardent backers who publicly stated their "misgivings" regarding his "pugnacity" and "weakness." Do you expect me expurgate from my mind any criticism of BO in some display of penitent denial?

Also, I'm happy to state that I know nothing of Deadwood, and I suggest you will find the term "ready money" rife in literature.

"There are three faithful friends, an old wife, an old dog, and ready money."

Benjamin Franklin

I couldn't disagree with you more on Clyburn, and since he is the linchpin to your comments regarding Clinton I can only say our views diverge.

toast

mr tom
i remember hillary's moment in n hampshire
headlines the next day
hillary breaks down on the campaign trail
hillary goes for the sympathy vote' how could a female
be president
frankly i watch it several times never did see what
they were talking about

another one of obamacrats defects
short term memory lose

Hey Toast

did you know that there is a string theory web site, and blog I don't know how to bring to you over here, but just google string theory, I had some fun reading it

Sorry all for posting so much I will now ban myself for awhile.

New RNC Ad Dismisses Bailout as McCain Works for It

"For John McCain's party to demagogue a rescue plan that he supports in order to score cheap political points is not only dishonest and dishonorable, it is the height of irresponsibility on a day when we urgently need to pass that plan to prevent an economic catastrophe," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in response to the spot."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9j_epTmr2c

Could the rethugs be more hypocritical!

toast do you come here for any other reason but to dump your daily doses of anti-Democratic vitriol? We get it, we get it. How could we not? We know you hate the Dems, you're going to vote for the cranky old man and his bimbo running mate, because you're pissed. We know for the rest of your life you'll be ranting about how the Dems stole the nomination from the white lady and gave it to the black guy. We get it.

could the repubs be anymore hypocritcal ?
yes' yes they could
they could be democrats

I've read more of the 'wiki page' than you obviously have, Bear. You work in the Mortgage industry and you don't understand criticisms of the Federal Reserve?! Wonderful.

The Fed undermines our currency through expansionary monetary policy, that makes every dollar you earn today worth less tomorrow. Its' actions made the Depression worse, rather than preventing it. It's a privately-owned cartel that wields more power than Congress and the Treasury combined. It operates under a veil of secrecy that, as evidenced by the pending 'bailout' bill, it seeks to extend even further.

It's all right there- in the 'wiki'.

I'm offended by the folks who want gay marriages to be called civil unions. You see, I was married by a justice of the peace. I'm not religious, but I am still offended by the notion of gay marriage. When you talk about gay civil unions, you are talking of making a mockery of my marriage, and I take offense. Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else in regard to marriage, and those rights should not be changed: men marry women and women marry men, regardless of sexual orientation. Only a hedonist (or a bachelor) thinks that marriage is all about sex.

Toast,

I don't get it. Please post more.

Solar,

On the residential side, I know that ICF is a tougher sell since most contractors aren't used to working with it. Were I to build homes that I was going to rent out but pay utilities myself, I would go that route since those bills would be cheaper.

As for dealing with Section 8, everyone I know who has rented to Section 8 says the following:

Guaranteed rent check is great.

Guaranteed calls from to the police and from tenants who want you to fix the hole they just put in the wall is not so great.

And only a homophobe thinks a gay relationship is only about sex!

They win again, KGC. They always do.

If Sarah Palin could get this kind of "folksy" down, she'd get my vote...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fegDSevP00g&feature=related

Flashback: On Sept. 23, McCain said a bailout bill with earmarks would be ‘unacceptable.

McCain said that a bill with “any kind of earmarks” would be “unacceptable” and “simply cannot happen.”

Yeah right, he looks more like a cow than a maverick. For you mqw. LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiwF6SAKoM

I don't get it. Please post more.

Posted by: champ | October 3, 2008 3:44 PM

Champ, I don't know what you have in mind, but I'll try this...

After watching the early debates last year, I thought Hillary clearly performed best, she appeared confident, experienced and above all else strong. Most of the other candidates receded, shades of gray save one, Obama. I thought he was lacking by all measures compared to Hillary, but what most disturbed me was his timidity. Obama's own "rabid media supporters" questioned his "weakness," and lack of "inner toughness," and "spine," yet NOT ONE questioned Hillary's strength or tenacity.

Obama has assured all of us of of his willingness to meet with despots {without preconditions} like Iran's A'jax. To what end? Dialogue is swell, and I personally feel it's a keen idea, but I say again I believe A'jax when he says Iran will never stop their efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. It would strain all credulity to believe a weak man like Obama, could ever possess an orator's tongue strong enough to appease and quell Iran's ambitions.

In a hard and changing world that grows more perilous with each new centrifuge Iran adds, and each ounce of fissionable material gained. It is in these times, that we need more than a gifted speaker, we need a man whose demeanor and strength may well be tested. Obama, though well meaning is handicapped by a lack of grit and tenacity, and I fear he would be pulled by the gravitational forces of Pelosi, Clyburn, and the impulsive warmonger Kucinich, and certainly not to centrists like Hillary or Evan Bayh.

Truth be told, I see no felicity in the options confronting McC or BO regarding Iran.

PUMA - "Obama, a weak man for tough times."
regards, toast

verbosity and vitriol, always a bad combination.

CaptainFantastic: "...When you talk about gay civil unions, you are talking of making a mockery of my marriage, and I take offense." Its not clear to me how civil unions make a mockery of your marriage. Civil unions don't have anything to do with your marriage. If you want to talk about being offended, how about being in a relationship that cannot be legitimized because of the bigotry of those that actually can get married, and divorced, and married and, again, divorced? Now that's offensive.

Kucinich a warmonger?

ampollassíperocanal

un saludo al voto del latino

Tío Tom Consiga en el autobús o le funcionaremos con encima

Podemos sí

Apparently the Palins are pretty cheap. 1.5% of their adjusted gross income to charity. I thought "good Christians" are supposed to give 10% of their wealth to charity.

Champ,

The Fed's actions don't have a direct impact on the rates of most mortgages. Fixed rates are tied to an index that is not determined by any Treasury or Fed Funds Rate. Most ARMS are tied to Libor. Just like dealing with Fannie or Freddie, whatever they determine the playing field to be, I just need to know how to lawfully operate within it.

Thanks for the lecture about how the Fed is just printing money and devaluing the currency. When you tell us next that the Sun rises in the east, I will be sure to get up early in the morning to see that.

This President has needed the devalue dollar to boost US exports because after the real estate bubble, that was the only thing left to offer any kind of growth in our current economic state.

If you don't want the Fed to govern the banking system, burn your check book.

If you don't want the Fed to be a lender of last resort, take your money out and put it in your mattress.

If you don't want an expandable money supply, don't complain that when the economy grows again that there isn't money in the system for you to do what you want to do...

toast

i agree with your 4:10 post.

While I have always adhered to the democratic role in politics, this new dnc and group of democrats with weak spines and must have earmarks before anything is done is ridiculous. Obama with no experience and weak tenacity coupled with Pelosi, Reid, etal , sorry not in my book. And goodness I would not want to leave out Dean. The most repulsive of all.

If charitable giving is the hallmark of Christianity - all of the major party candidates are heathens

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14253.html

LOL

700B bailourt/rescue and DOW closes at 52wk low.

If you're going to tar someone, you need a sticky name for them ..... I think we just found one :

George W. Palin

by digby

Palin On Fox News: Couric Annoyed Me

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14253.html

Sorry i guess i was off by 15

Julie,
I read your posts and always find them insightful, your voice is both strong and necessary.

regards, toast

"Huh? Vote for Miss Wasilla or it’s the end of the world as we know it. You betcha." Peter Gelzinis

I don't know how many of you read Peter Beinart, but this column from Feb. 2007 seems prescient now...

http://www.tnr.com/columnists/story.html?id=3d09e365-637c-4150-94b5-d04e639869d3

Wrong again Julie, the earmarks were put in the bill to get your side of the aisle on board. pesky facts.

The tax earmarks were championed by both sides of the aisle. Western lawmakers, especially Sens. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, backed an expansion of a program that helps pay for rural schools. Lawmakers from states with no income tax backed an extension of a program that allows residents in states including Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming to deduct the sales tax they pay over a year from their federal taxes, a provision that costs the Treasury $3.3 billion over two years.
Benefit for film producers

Even Hollywood got something out of the Senate bill: renewal of a tax incentive worth nearly $48 million a year for film and TV producers who produce their work in the United States.

Hey Toast...Hillary lost. Deal with it.

Wall Street Got 7 Billion Dollars and all I got was a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.*

*Wooden arrows: This tax break, backed by Oregon's two senators, would benefit an Oregon manufacturer of wooden arrows for children by $2 million over 10 years.

Racetracks: Earmark would allow auto racetrack owners to depreciate their facilities over seven years, saving the industry $100 million over two years.

Rum: Offers rum producers in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands a rebate on excise taxes worth $192 million over two years.

Wool: Reduces tariffs for U.S. makers of wool fabric that use imported yarn, worth $148 million over five years. The measure was pushed by Reps. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., and Melissa Bean, D-Ill.

Exxon Valdez: Plaintiffs in the suit over the 1989 oil spill could spread their tax payments on punitive damages over three years, cutting their tax bill by $49 million. The measure was backed by Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska.

American Samoa: Allows certain corporations to reduce their tax liability on income earned in American Samoa, at a cost of $33 million over two years.

Hollywood: Extends a tax break for film and TV companies that keep their production in the United States, worth $478 million over 10 years. The provision was originally pushed by Rep. Diane Watson, D-Los Angeles.

I love rhymes.

Finally after weeks of training, Palin answers the Couric questions by going on FOX

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-takes-second-stab-gotcha-questions/comments/

The comments from some people are hilarious.

"Ok, enough. I'm hearing too much stupidity, like "the government will be massively incentivized to protect the value of the crap they buy, so the government will make a profit!" Or, "the government will help borrowers because it'll own the mortgage (no, it'll own the mortgage backed security) and it'll want to."

Good God, the stupidity, it burns. Who cares if the government is massively incentivized to protect the value, even assuming the government cares which is far from clear to me since for this plan to do anything it has to buy at far above market value? They're going to be sold the shittiest parts of the shitpile by far because what would you sell to them if you were the banks? Think about it. This stuff isn't called toxic waste for nothing. MBS's may have something behind them, but much of what's going to be sold are massively internally leveraged instruments like first loss bonds, credit default swaps, and other noxious stuff that hardly even has a name. Much of it won't even be mortgage based, and that which is won't necessarily give clear title to the mortgage proper (you can sell different parts of the mortgage to multiple different MBSs). The 700 billion will probably be gone before Obama even gets in power, so you're not betting on what Obama will do, you're betting on what Paulson and Bush will do. Furthermore Wall Street is already saying 700 billion won't be enough. (So, ok, you might be betting what Obama will do with the next 700 billion or so.)"
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/03/the-bailout-stupidity-it-burns/

Wow you went to a lot a trouble! However my candidates don't run as good christians, and invoke the help of god to get pipe lines built!

So Jamie I'm basically thinking McCain is pretty much cornered in Ohio and Florida in light of pulling out of MI. What do you think?

And just what will the $700 billion pay for----in addition to those "toxic securities"----

"Paulson recruits assset managers as rescue moves ahead"

"The Treasury plans to hire about two dozen employees along with 5 to 10 asset-management firms. The workers will be a mix of government employees & conractors, with a range of legal, financial & accounting skills.

The firms will be evaluated based on the cost & scope of services they offer.

The Treasury is still working out a conflict of interest policy & details for guidelines on compensation."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPP4plUw7LgM&refer=home

In all candor mamaknows I don't care, but in light of Palin's religious affiliations I was surprised her's were so low. I thought both Mormons and Pentecostals were big believers in tithing.

McCain Could Be Forced Out Of Pennsylvania Too, Union Chief Says

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/mccains-could-give-up-on_n_131634.html

Beginning to look like the wave has started

Coreen
So the guy who said we were setting up Hanky Pank in a hedge fund was essentially correct...lovely.

A rhetorical question for anyone who may be watching Hardball...

Is it me or is Chris Matthews totally p.o.'d and frustrated that Governor Palin far exceeded his expectations, in the debate last night?

Brain
Law of physics - waves peak and cycle.... careful - remember Edwards

Edwards never had a wave, come on Pong.

TOAST: from the Economist. com Only once in the past half-century has a party been awarded three consecutive terms in the White House. That was in 1988, after Ronald Reagan’s two terms, when the economy was strong and the president was still popular. Neither remotely holds true now. The economy may not quite be in recession, but it certainly feels that way. House prices are tumbling, petrol and grocery prices are painfully high and wages have stagnated for years. The September meltdown of much of Wall Street has put an unexpected focus on the candidates’ grasp of the complex world of high finance. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan drag on. By rights, Mr McCain should be shuffling towards certain defeat. Yet the polls are still very close. The main reason is that the Democrats have picked as their standard-bearer Mr Obama, a man of great gifts but significant weaknes,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfcj9vAb0vY

Good Video Craig,
Thanks for catching the Truth Points -
Sarah should correct the overstatement,,,
Obama only voted about 40 times to increase taxes not the 90 times..... How dare her over state is liberalness

Interesting that the fact checks confirm the core theme that will emerge - Liberal vs Conservative,,,,

Brain - so true -- I wonder if he would have done better if he would have spent all his time on the campaign when he was away from home vs the other distraction?

Katherine,

Maybe we should apply as a "women(minority) owned small business" to get a share of the rescue $---since to date women owned small businesses are awarded only 3.4% of government work.

Meant to post this yesterday.

"Female owned small businesses push for share of federal contracts"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/business/smallbusiness/02women.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=female%20owned%20small%20business%20push%20for%20share&st=cse&oref=slogin

What polls are close? Have you even looked at the battle ground state polls?

Solar - very interesting....
If elected, how do you think Obama will handle Fiscal policy?
As I have stated the great fear the he will allow social drive to overrule sound fiscal policy which would be the demise.

Check this out. A fine poll, I must say. Probably as good as any other.

Obama ahead of both Paris Hilton & McBush.

"The Campaign Just Got Hot for 2008"

http://www.amazon.com/

tt

Pong I don't know, why don't you ask him.

Brain the Poll Police at work,,,,, Man you gotta stop watching those things every 5 min,,, Like some people that watch their stocks - it is nuerotic

Ask Barack - How would one do such a thing? I am just a poor little southern boy .... that clings to my religion - but do not own a gun - so I shot with my Camera

Sure Pong, when you stop thinking that Edwards is some kind of dagger in my heart. I'm not of a PUMA mentality, I don't over personalize my candidates, I was well prepared for Edwards to drop out of the race, after Iowa actually, and had already decided I would support Obama when Edwards decided to either get out or was forced out. In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a Democrat before I'm any one candidates supporter.

AK debate focus group video in anchorage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2gtei_-Ot0

SolarCrete, your 6:10 PM post.

I think your post is not only accurate but understated. Obama's inexperience, his preening nature, his stranglehold dependence on the far left, all buttressed by his incalculable weakness on foreign policy make him a risk I'm not willing to take.

regards toast

Ping

I'll be honest with you---I want Obama to win.

1st- the R's have gone to far off the middle of the road with all this religion bs, 2nd you have to be blind not to see the harm that cheney and co, has done, and where are all the little bushies, how do they fit in with all this mess, I remember the last bail out of the SL they all made a bundle along with their friends. 3rd I was hoping Sen C was going to be the first female potus, in my mind it would have made it easier for the first black-or hispanic. I f palin is 1lt female vp-she will be the first woman pres, but i don; see how that is gooing to help get the 1st black or hispanic. how long will it be before the right be challenged like this again, they will regroup stronger than ever, let them regroup while they are blaming themselves out of office.

Thought for today...

If Dems make such a big deal and try to exploit the evolution - natural selection process - which we know is also supported for the class room by the Reps (forget the idiotic right wing)

Why do the dems insist on not supporting this in our capitalistic world?

I would have asked Sen Biden Why should the Tax Payers fund the development of technology? Are we going to own it and sell it? NO?
Sen Biden contradictions are very clear and lack logic.

Let the natural selection of the Free Enterprise system work

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154369

Mamaknows, McCain has made no secret that he donates almost his entire salary as a senator to charity. It's one of the benefits of being married to a beer heiress.

After last week's debate between BO and McC I posted comments regarding Obama's "well documented" palpable weakness, and after all was said regarding the debate, the most telling "incident' happened prior to it.

With an economic maelstrom enveloping all, taking center stage over security and everything on the line, BO's debate handlers "gravest concern" was his need to, and I quote; "toughen up." Their prime concern was his "demeanor" and his need to display "grit" and "not" the issues, conversely the McC handlers prime concern was how he would answer questions on the economy. Obama, a man in the ilk of Neville Chamberlain, will chat with despots and deter them by the sheer strength of his charisma. It's a little like Oprah but more tragic.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain - "Obama, a weak man for tough times."

toast

Jamie I'm fairly certain about PA, Ohio not. I'm hoping Michigan will start a domino effect in the midwest for Obama. I think it was a big mistake for McCain to pull out of Michigan, and I think it's going to hurt him in Ohio.

I should have also said that while I want O to win, It's not right to push people around like garbage that you sweep up, just because they have different thoughts and expressions, sometimes I feel like I'm going to vote for McCain just cause i don't like to be pushed around,,,,

Craig, I think you're awesome, but if Palin has secured for herself a place on the national stage on the basis of half a term as governor of Alaska and a term as mayor of a town of fewer than 10,000, and if a turn on the debate platform where she didn't drool was good enough to cancel out very poor performances in softball interviews, that may be the most depressing news I've heard about America all week. The bailout wrangling on Capitol Hill looks like legislative genius by comparison.

Why the hell is McCain stepping up his efforts in Maine?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154401

In the process of sending man into space, a few things were developed that you might recognize. The federal money infused into this research made those products possible.

Would they have been developed eventually without Federal money? Maybe, but it would have taken longer since there was no real need for the research.

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Federal investments now will payoff in industries as yet not even imagined.

because you're pissed. We know for the rest of your life you'll be ranting about how the Dems stole the nomination from the white lady and gave it to the black guy. We get it.

I don't get it is Toast being called something here?

I'm offended by the folks who want gay marriages to be called civil unions.

Posted by Captain Not so Fantastic...

I'm offended that some of our "friends" in the political sphere are so goddamned scared of anything resembling an on-par relationship between gay couples and hetero couples, that they hide behind the civil "union" banner.

If heteros could show how they've been such sparkling examples of what good marriages are, I suppose their "defense" argument could hold up. Given how many of them marry, cheat, divorce, remarry, cheat divorce, it's a wonder that anyone would even step in a church for a wedding. And given the number of "heterosexual" married men who have hit on me over the years, I dare say the the "sanctity of marriage" is a total fricken myth.

Save your sanctimonious "making a mockery of [your] marriage" speech. Most people won't give a shit about your marriage. it's up to you to make sure it's not a mockery. Don't toss that responsibility onto others.

Sheesh... if brains were dynamite you wouldn't be able to blow you own goddamned nose.. .and yes this is one fiery ET at the moment.

Solar......yep. It's nothing new......if youre not fervently, religiously supporting obama........youre a racist according to "them"

I was going to say something about Ping's mantra of the "free enterprise" capitalistic economic superiority broken record, but it's not worth it.

Both Dems and Repugs are capitalists They both work with the basic premise, since Bretton Woods at the end of the WWII that says...

Expansion abroad + growth at home = unified interests

Both parties... the only difference is the route they take to implement the ideals of this formula.

**************

"Yes, the last 25 years have witnesses a marked transfer of money from the poor to the rich. But contrary to the cant of economists like Feldstein, this has everything to do with capitalism and the actions of politicians beholden to and increasingly a part of the wealthy class."

http://www.monthlyreview.org/nftae02.htm

Nann maybe he thinks he can substitute one "M" state for another and no one will notice. Senile old coot.

How about Maine? It's got 4 electoral votes that might help McInsane... or Montana with 3... Why worry about Michigan with 17? Signs of big trouble.

Sturg hello

Jamie just brought something about Nasa, I don't remember now but you, or Jack, Lard, or Flatus, a few months ago mentioned that a son in law worked for Nasa and gave a site for pictures....I loved them and down load them, and look at them all the time, Thanks

You gotta love how the corners of Biden's mouth just slightly droop when Palin talks about expanding the role of the VP in the Senate. You know he's thinking to himself "geez she really is clueless".

solar....must have been one of the others you mentioned.......no son-in-law hereabouts........

Here you go Solar

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/

Posted by: Coreen Author Profile Page | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM

I'm in!

Jamie

thanks-------thats what i like about this place, can be very generous, I think I have that site, but I booked it just in case

oops..........I see..............lol..........didnt read it right......it's a coice........

CNN) -- Fannie Mae said it will set aside the loan of a woman who shot herself as sheriff's deputies tried to evict her from her foreclosed home.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/03/eviction.suicide.attempt/index.html

Hail Mary vs. Cool Barry
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 3, 2008; Page A23

Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100203043.html

fannie mae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPnCGIcHgZM

Palin seriously offends Tweety, it's funny.

Here's a little image sent to me to pass on to the McSame supporters:

http://i34.tinypic.com/ileirs.jpg

Maybe it will warm some hearts.

Palin's Tax Return Mystery: Where Are The Per Diems?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/palins-tax-return-mystery_n_131791.html

Truly, why would one person ever want to deny another persons right to the pursuit of happiness.....

Perhaps the Captain Not so Fantastic may have some unresolved personal issues, regarding homosexuality.

Bear,

Fed as a lender of last resort? Then why the $700 billion bailout?

You may think that explaining the modern cause of inflation is stating the obvious, but I'll bet at least 95% of the population doesn't understand Fractional-Reserve Banking and the manipulation of monetary supply via interest rates. That's a shame because it's an extremely important concept.

Money supply can be expanded by the Treasury and without the Fed, which is an autonomous agency that operates in secrecy and not always, if ever, with the best-interests of the nation whose currency it controls. Banks, not the U.S. government, control this country. It's a national security issue. To top it all off, the Fed has the audacity to ask U.S taxpayers for more of their money to help resolve a crisis for which it is partly responsible.

As far as operating lawfully within a playing field determined by others, the same argument could be made for the slave trade- doesn't make it right.

Good points on Maine Bear, thanks.

Hey Rez, if you are out there...I asked my new friend she said she is Lakota Sioux ....she wanted to know more about you....I couldn't tell her much. She 's really a nice person, and just so genuine.

Hmm...

Equating the mortgage industry to the slave trade...interesting...

If you are on some quixotic mission to abolish the fed...have at it and good luck. If you think they have been derelict in their duty to regulate our banking system, I would be curious to know your better alternative.

If you recognize that the Treasury can control the money supply without the Fed, I don't understand the difference if the Fed acts on behalf of the treasury.

I do have a couple of questions for you though...I am guessing you were an econ major or that is your background? I'm trying to get an idea of your perspective on this issue.

I stumbled upon this interview from last March...is this along the lines of what you were thinking?

http://patrick.net/housing/contrib/rogers.html

On the Road: St. Louis County, Missouri

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-st-louis-county-missouri.html

I don't think anyone will ever make light of just what a good community organizer can accomplish when he puts his mind to it.

Got a date; can't be late... I'll continue the conversation tomorrow if you're still willing to have it.

sturgeone,

I think you are mistaken about Milquetoast. While Milquetoast may have been a Clintonista, I doubt that Milquetoast was a Democrat. PUMA is fraud for prying Clintonistas away from the Democratic Party, and bringing them to the bogus Feminism of Governor Palin. Fortunately, the fraud is ineffective.

Yeah...I don't doubt there were many pairs of pants around ankles last night...male and female...lol

X........I entertain no views of milquetoast or his aims and goals......other than that he is a poster on craigs bi-partisan political blog....like you.....and me..........

make that non-partisan

No KO since the night of the Florida primary and his dissing of Florida voters!! I don't miss his rabid left wing BS!!Just TM and The Net............Thankfully....

Flatus my point was about how Obama learned to organize people into action. You totally ignored my point, much like Sarah totally ignored every question put to her last night.

*does his rabid left wing bullshit dance*

x.......i think it has something to do with either hypocrisy or irony.....if not sociopathology......i'm researching that now.....

sturg how does that make you feel?

Nothing to see here......move along.....go to your homes, nothing to see here......lol

so it's either hypocrisy or irony?

jesus

Do we have anyone here from Minnesota? If so, I would love some insight into the MN Senate race and what is causing Franken to fade?

Craig, if you are lurking, what is the talk around DC with regards to the TX senate race? I am shocked to see on CQ that he only has a 7% lead in the polls right now. I've seen very little advertising and the current Cornyn ad on TV has him as the person to bring the right kind of change to Washington. I have yet to see any ad from the Democrat so hence my shock that the race is that close...

Mr. Crawford; ............ quoting Liza of 11:07 pm previous thread, "I'm glad your impartiality is back".

Patsi; 8:22 pm... "people were dumbed down long before Palin", I certainly agree with that, but I don't believe you bring them back by talking down to them.
- 4:50 am ......... She said it herself when she said " It's nice to be able to talk to the American people without the FILTER of the msm"....
-8:31 am ......... "name, names", absolutely I agree, I think it's called - accountability. I'm really afraid that BO represents protectionism.............................................

Jamie; 11:49 pm ........ "men go all goo goo and wobbley", but our side is promoting MEN...........

champ; 2:55 pm.......................... "while we're talking about the constitution", Hear, Hear on that statement...

toast; 3:30 pm ............. "I like Biden", me too, isn't it sad that he's so (medicated?) down and not his usual firey self, but then with his superior foreign affairs knowledge it would look like he should be at the top of the ticket, not the other way around...............

Julie; 4:29 pm ........ I've been saying forever that, this bunch of also rans is a carbon copy of what we're trying to get rid of..........................................................

Rita

I find many of the links posted by the Obama supporters interesting and informative.....I wonder if those who b*tch 24/7 about other post by Obama supporters ever even bother to read the links- Or is he so far gone, he can't see the good anything any longer.....oh sorry I meant "they"

tony you really need to stop cruising the school for the blind.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154458
Maybe but not to Donna Summer,he likes the young 20 something girls...I think Marshal Mather's is a better fit!

hmmmmmm, Eminem

And how does that make you feel sturg?

Oh my,how could he have been blind! He told me how good looking I was!! Damn those married fake blind guys.........I wonder if he really doesn't have four children?Um, but I've met them.....Fakes....

Maybe he's just upset that I can earn a living in my pajamas.
*shrug*

Unlikely.....melodrama does not become you......Craig issued on television an invitation for McCain supporters to join his blog........

FTS

Sturge - all you had to was explain your comment....geez....I actually don't live and breath the daily dramas of this blog....or always catch Craig shout outs on Television for new posters....geez...

I could tell you what doesn't become you but, that is not what I do, or even care to do.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154464

Your right I don't agree with opinion being blurred into his so-called news!He calls it as he sees it, so does Bill Orielly and I don't like his right wing BS opinion's either...

M

Maybe he's just upset that I can earn a living in my pajamas.
*shrug* Bry Bry

"Mommy can you send me some cash"

0 => 10 => ?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154463

Bear, sorry i can't add anything to what CQ reporting on the Texas race. suggest posting a comment on our Political Ed. Bob Benenson's column and see if he's got more:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002969567&cpage=1

also Bear, our Greg Giroux is a tremendouse resource for the races:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002936264

Michelle Obama on Larry King next Wednesday. That should be worth seeing.

Jack - was that a homophobic attack? What an absolutely peculiar thought and comment.

Care to explain to someone who doesn't understand " the girl" and "gay-man" and the "Palin thing" ?

btw, Jack, you have a lot of time to waste online.

O => M
S => C
O =>C

my GORDO translator isn't working tonight -- anybody know what these cryptic comments mean? hoping Trail Mix hasn't become a conduit for secret code to sleeper cells

Gordo.......could you fatten up those clues just a LEEDLE bit?

lol

Gordo loves being cryptic. His tin hat seems to be unusually tight over the past few days.

Since nothing he has ever said has ever happened, you may be right. :-)

ha, Jamie -- GORDO is scaring me now. and here i was finally beginning to emerge from my latest Palin-induced coma

Clue:

Never is no more.

I understand one of our illustrious evangelicals is predicting all of our coastal cities are about to be nuked after the sands of the middle east have been turned into glass.

Personally, I go fhe route of don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you. Much happier and more peaceful.

Oh and if Palin gets you under her spell again, just count the winks and wiggles. You'll snap out of it in no time.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/game-changer-patrol-grades-vp.html#comment-154501

Quoth the raven?

Craig I suspect most of GORDO's cells are sleeping.

Laptop Stolen From McCain Campaign in Missouri

http://www.pcworld.com/article/151870/.html?tk=rss_news

Gordo are you being held against your will? Do you need a rescue?

I have really missed your conspiracy theories. I heard a hint on Fox that someone will be coming after Obama. soon.

Where was Claire Tuesday night?

I was thinking the same thing jamie, she like a cat in the night! LOL

Last comment - I have found there is growing sense fear for Obama's safety.

Everyone enjoy your evening - Friday nights rock !

peace~

I think we should start a contest. Predict the final electoral count in the General Election.

Good night UB. I'm going off when it's time for Mahar

Jamie

364/174

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/key-states/map.html

wrong link, here's the right one

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/key-states/map.html#/map=8bb_M

Jamie best line of the night was the Johnny Carson ~ Charo line. Shandling was hysterical tonight.

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