Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Great video Craig!

Great video Craig. Sugar 's quicker!

I watched the SNL show tonight. They opened with a skit mocking this week's debate. Bill Murray stood up and talked about the Chicago Cubs getting swept by the Los Angeles Dodgers. He wanted to know what both candidates would do as president to make sure this didn't happen again. Obama said, "I would encourage all Cubs fans to root for other teams." McCain said, "The Cubs wil never win another pennant, let alone another World Series. My opponent won't tell you that, but I will!" Good video, Craig!

"If Sen. John McCain had associated with fascists, with neo-Nazis, with bombers like Eric Robert Rudolph and racists like David Duke, such relationships would be an absolute disqualifier. The New York Times and Washington Post and Los Angeles Times and MSNBC would absolutely skewer him, claiming that he didn't have America and Americans at heart. Yet, with Barack Obama and his Christmas card list of radicals, there is nary a word until the opposing candidate himself brings it up and the media outlets have no choice.

Ladies and gentlemen, the man standing in our midst, the one asking for your trust and begging for your vote, is not who he says he is. By concealing the nature of his ideological idiosyncrasies, Barack Obama has perpetrated a fraud against the American voting public, and it is about time that his own chickens come home to roost."

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/on-william-ayers-and-barack-obama.html

Craig I fully agree with this thread, but probably for different reasons than you have. First, I don't think it would be wise for Obama to offer anything too specific right now regarding the economy. There are three months before he takes the oath of office and who knows what could happen between now and then. Second, part of the job of the president is too keep the moral of the nation as high as possible when times get tough. Time and time again as this crisis has unfolded Obama has demonstrated to us that he is the candidate who is best suited to the difficult road ahead of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y-DaQfBvM

Well if best suited is silence then Obama is golden.

That's not what I said, and you know it.

"I don't think it would be wise for Obama to offer anything too specific right now regarding the economy"

sounds like silence to me

if Obama can strike a pose and win the election with his unbottoned collar, that is fine. i look forward to finding out after the election how the heck he plans to govern -- because voters are getting no clues in this campaign

No, silence means saying nothing, Obama has been pretty clear about the direction he feels we need to be going to repair the economy. He's also repeatedly has demonstrated how his style of leadership would be different from McCain's during a crisis. One candidate is reactive in time of crisis, the other is contemplative, And really Craig isn't that all we really know about a president before he takes office, his core political values, and his style of leadership. As you and I both know all candidates once taking office have to moderate their campaign stands in order to get things done.

I like the idea of Warren Buffet in Paulson's job, for one thing...if Buffet wants the job.

Oh, Craig...I read a long time ago Cheney was at least considering moving from One Observatory Plaza ( I think that's the addy) to a 'more secure location'. Does Cheney still reside at the Naval Observatory? ( SLATE explained that no veep has ever lived at Blair House...HST was prez when he lived there and the WH was remodeled.

Oh I think it's pretty clear how he's going to govern, I think we know pretty much how either will govern. I don't think it's hard to imagine an Obama administration taking on the feel of the Kennedy years, lots of idealistic Ivy League types, hashing through the issues with Obama be deciding voice.

McCain will at all times go for the grand play and damn the consequences.

Craig has McCain does anything since the economy tanked that makes you feel he is the better choice for what the country is going through? In all candor I can't think of anything he's done that makes me feel he would be a better steward of the economy, of course I'm biased in this, but if I'm missing something please show me where I'm wrong.

"The media continues to misstate the nature of their business relationship. Bill Ayers was the key organizer and driving force in establishing the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He was intimately involved in creating and sustaining its operations. Barack Obama was selected–WITH AYERS ASSENT–to be the Chairman of the Board of Directors. Obama now wants people to believe that he, as Chairman of the Board, had no significant interaction with the de facto head of the CAC, Bill Ayers, during his four years heading up the board. This defies logic and common sense.

This is not guilt by association. This is guilt because of continued participation. And Barack continues to lie about the nature of the relationship."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/when-it-comes-to-ayers-it-is-participation-that-matters/

Craig-
wouldn't naming his medium-length list for cabinet posts help to allay any doubts about Obama's intention to surround himself with a good braintrust and increase his support? What are reasons against this?

oh, cmon neither one of these candidates represents change of any kind. the establishment status quo wins no matter what

McCain is the king of deregulation, yes, THAT ONE has crusaded to get government out of regulatory authoritative positions...and look what it's gotten us. McCain has fought earmarks for 26 years, but he hires the queen of the earmarks to be his sidekick. So that neutralizes that.
Still, I am dismayed that the media and the public have given McCain a pass on Iraq. I have screamed about the rathole-stuffing spending that has a terrible effect on our economy.
I don't give a crap what his grand schemes are for Iraq...the USA cannot afford this nonsense any longer.
McCain says he'll cut money from "waste areas" of Medicare.
Hellluva thing to campaign on, warmonger!
McCain cracked up 4 to seven airplanes , depending on the source, and the crashes were unnecessary for the deciding-factor part; most were the result of McCain's arrogance and smart-ass attitude. A real maverick. Now he wants to continue to squander US lives in Iraq with NO TIMETABLE for withdrawal.
Well..."It's the economy, stupid.."and how can we ignore the cash drain into a worthless occupation of Iraq.
At least Obama has a timetable.
I have seen no redemption for Bush and the neocons for this Iraq war. No oil-money flow, no peace, no democracy, just a broken country with thousands of US dead and over a MILLION dead Iraqi innocent civilians.
I have read that an African American poll must have a 4% lead to even up the "Bradley Factor". Obama has that, but it will tighten up as we draw towards the 4th of November.
Get those yard signs up, if your regional offices have procured the signs. OBAMA / Biden 08

Oh, I disagree Craig. An Obama victory is change. See, white men have 43 and 0 in presidential elections. An Obama victory changes that. Having a pro-choice president means that the next court appointment will not take away a woman's right to choose. So that's change. An Obama administration means that wealth will be distributed fairly versus disproportionately for the rich. The era of cowboy diplomacy will be over. There's much to change.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157208

True...I supported Dennis Kucinich until he was squeezed off the debate podium.

I truly believe Kucinich and Gravel were real change candidates, but never considered as more than laughing stock, UFO and all.

Obama does not represent change in key areas, I will just mention one, Israel-US relations. Obama has pledged all-out support for Israel, and Obama has been itching to bomb Iran for five years, so there is no change. The US is in Iraq, and apparently Obama favors maintaining that damnable giant US Embassy in Baghdad, too. We ain't really leaving Iraq at all, Obama or no Obama.

Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 12:12 AM :
"You were a Republican 30 years ago, and yet you choose to identify yourself as an "ex-Republican" as if you had some recent ideological shift, or in protest of recent transgressions by said party. That's not honesty- that's deliberate deception."

I couldn't sleep. I had the feeling someone was talking behind my back. That "as if you had some recent ideological shift" part of your statement is your interpretation rather than a fact, Champ. I have mentioned several times that my affiliation changed in the '70s, precisely to avoid misleading anyone. My change had everything to do with finally becoming aware that the vile attitudes expressed by my fellow republicans were not isolated cases. They were not bad apples, but most of the barrel.

Regarding your other point, it is not my job to identify any weaknesses or flaws in any of my arguments. That sort of debate form is what made Walter Mondale a professor instead of a president.

Is he an illegal alien?

Calling General Powell

I know they used you, we all know how you were used. We all know these men and women of low character hid behind your honor, and reputation . But now is the time for you to come to the service of your country one last time. Now is the time for redemption General. Now is the time to speak up for Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/us/politics/06elected.html?_r=1&ref=worldspecial&oref=slogin

This Times story explains basic differences in war plans by Obama & McInsane.

Flatus counter-attacked me, saying I embody what he rejects about the Dems left wing. This was in reference to my placing his name among those I believe have guileful posts. Btw, it is an honor to be rejected by Flatus.

I never wrote about my ownership and use of guns in 'Trailmix', so he couldn't know about that. However, I have frequently written comments in support of fidelity in marriage, and getting married before having kids, which makes me more socially conservative than the mccains and palins. I have frequently ranted against republicanowned Big Porn, and prostitution/human trafficking, making me more morally conservative than palin and mccain. My recent comments about the bailout are obviously more conservative than mccain. My recent admissions that capital punishment is okay in certain cases are hardly leftish. I frequently express my support for my fellow vets (tell the truth about those MIAs Senator mccain ! ), and decry the way republicans always screw up wars and waste soldiers' and airmen's lives. I regularly deplore the encroachment of big government into people's privacy, and often rant about republican fiscal irresponsibility. On top of all that, I obviously don't suffer fools gladly, which makes me pretty illiberal.

So, what do you call a Flatus who so ignorantly places me in the left wing of the Democratic Party ? Answer : member of the fabulist wing of the republican party.

Go Phillies ! Bounce those trolley dodgers back to Brooklyn !

"oh, cmon neither one of these candidates represents change of any kind. the establishment status quo wins no matter what"

Absolutely agree, Craig. Status quo.

Mr. D once again drags up the "choice" issue, as if to distract that Obama featured an ugly, sexist song in his campaign and has done nothing in particular for women. Nor has he shown any real interest in the AA community except to pander for votes.

I personally think (hope) Obama will be far better than McCain....but that's not saying much.

Craig - I agree. We don't know how they're going to do what they say they'll do, and we'd better be prepared for some surprises and disappointments.

What strikes me about most of the posts is the apparent "need" of each poster to dis-believe or shrug aside any criticism of his/her candidate, and to believe any criticism of his/her candidate. That says to me that minds have already been made up and not because of reports in the media or because of facts. I think most people tend to respond to candidates on a very emotional basis, and there's nothing wrong with that.
The sad part is that so much anger is slung around and people get so hurt. For me, it's easy. I don't like either one of these jokers and don't care what rumors go around. I know what I believe in and which one is more likely to make choices that I will like.

I haven't a hope in hell of ever meeting or getting to know these men or their families, so can't claim that one is more honest or trustworthy. It's a dream to think we can know them. Pick the one you think will carry out what you believe in, say so, and leave the others alone.

SOLAR CRETE - I can't find one of your questions re my earlier post re Mexico and am frustrated cuz I wanted to answer it. It's after 2 am here and I'm tired, so will leave you with this short answer now - No, I am not defending, and never would, defend the colonial drive of the western world in the 18th and 19th centuries. I simply feel that they were existing in the world as it was. I don't think you and I have any disagreements on fair play or decency, or the lack thereof, in the treatment of people by nations. I don't think my longer answer (should you choose to read it)
will upset you or outrage you at all.

"What strikes me about most of the posts is the apparent "need" of each poster to dis-believe or shrug aside any criticism of his/her candidate"

Yes. That bothers me, as well. It doesn't inspire for our future. Will any and all decisions made in the coming administration be blindly defended and the general good bedamned? We've just lived through eight years of that mentality.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157217
"...So, what do you call a Flatus who so ignorantly places me in the left wing of the Democratic Party ?" xrepublican October 10 3:59AM

x,
(When you put 'a' in front of someones name (moniker) you're most likely objectifying them in order to insult them.)

I think Flatus may have been referring to the hate you exude toward those who don't agree with you. It's pretty scary to watch sometimes.

If you are going to tell Independents that they are lying and are actually Republicans, then don't be surprised when Independents assume things about you too.

It is silly to accuse people (who are merely posting a few thoughts on a blog) of being something they're not. What does anyone gain by lying? We're simply sharing ideas and thoughts here, not running the World.

It seems delusional to turn people into something they're not, just so you can feel superior to them in some way. (I can't think of any other reason someone would do that). I'd rather take them at their word than to believe others are so devious that they'd lie for no good reason.

Two people can disagree and both still be right.

Obama is winning the Campaign

Will he ever answer a question?

He will try to govern based on who he is...

Who is he? Why does he not answer questions about himself?

Oh - and Happy Days Craig - good video post!! A

Americans are not only lazy voters, unwilling to look unbiasedly at their elected officials, will only vote for the individuals who is wearing their color jersey, they are for the most part running scared, and they are buying into the hope and change theme of Obama, thinking this young polished, good looking, well spoken individual will somehow deliver them into the land of milk and honey, and he will somehow solve the "world's" crisis. Now that is a lot of faith to bestowed upon someone who has a very slim resume, very few life accomplishes, has never been an executive, never been tested under sever pressure, has been campaigning over half the time he has been in the Senate, and has surrounded himself with a number of questionable characters and organizations.

Putting all that aside, assume for a moment Obama is elected president and assume the day he takes the oath of office the sun comes out and the DOW jumps 5000 points, and the credit markets miraculously correct themselves. Then ask yourself what do you have? You have as president of the United States, someone who has a very slim resume, very few life accomplishes, has never been an executive, never been tested under sever pressure, has been campaigning over half the time he has been in the Senate, and has surrounded himself with a number of questionable characters and organizations.

Brain - I want leadership that reacts and has an answer --- Not one who is niave and not sure - then looks around the room to see what Sally says -- Oh me to me to, I want to be popular --- lets do it this way,,

In talking with my neighbors and those that promote Obama - two weak points,

Still not sure if he is right choice for th security of our Nation.
If you remove the Bush Factor and get them half a step in to factual conversation - and get them to measure against McCain - then they sway...

McCain must also show Obama is actually factually more of the same -
FIscal responsibility is not Obama

This is an old news story being reported again I guess for those who might have missed it the first time around. But it does reveal a major flaw in the Obama persona.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/

Craig - Why is it negative campaign to ask factual questions? that the other does not answer and in facts runs away with apparent guilt?

Why does the Media attack the one asking the question? Why not attack the one that is not answering?

It is not a negative mud sling attack - it is a question with a negative element that exposes a factual basis of the other candidate - in the case of Ayers and so many other elements of Obama basis

McCain should say - I am sorry if I have hurt Sen Obama feelings and in no way am is my intention to insult him,
I would simply like to understand his past relationships with these groups that represent a very different position then what Middle America wants - and I do see Barack changing in his words just words.
But Again Sen Obama - would you simply address these questions ?

"Two people can disagree and both still be right."

and/or both be wrong, chloe

"It is not a negative mud sling attack - it is a question with a negative element that exposes a factual basis of the other candidate - in the case of Ayers and so many other elements of Obama basis"

Nicely put.

Good morning everyone! Here's a little tune to get everyone in the right mood for the Friday before a 3 day weekend. Never mind the global melt down -- just stay happy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwIddYGse9g

U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, report five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. That is illegal aliens, not legal aliens.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/10/09/calling-old-media-five-million-illegals-have-illegal-mortgages-u

News Obama supporters would rather not read.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/09/74-ceos-believe-obama-would-be-disastrous-nation

"Two people can disagree and both still be right."

and/or both be wrong, chloe
Posted by: patd | October 10, 2008 7:10 AM

Pat, Yes! You are right.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157222

Hey Chloe
I agree with your comment..I lurk most of the time now, cause I don't have an Obama Love Crush soooooooooooooo I must be Republican! HA HA I'm a former lifelong Dem.now an Independent,voting for Obama...What's my Problem...

Former SC senator Ernest F. Hollings on Financial crisis:

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/oct/09/stop_free_trade_binge_tax_cuts_deregulation/

"Having been governor, I am frequently asked the difference of being a governor and senator. As governor, if you want to raise revenue you raise taxes. As senator, if you want to raise revenue you cut taxes.

In Washington, you become smart. You become an economist and learn to stimulate the economy by cutting taxes. And promising not to raise taxes will guarantee your re-election. The Congressional Budget Office made a study of the cause of the increase in deficits the first four years of President George W. Bush: 48 percent was due to tax cuts; 37 percent was due to the cost of wars and national security; and 15 percent due to spending increases. The Bush administration and Congress have put the government on steroids for eight years, increasing the debt (as of Sept. 30) — not revenues — $2.672 trillion.

Another smart thing you learn is how to low-ball the deficit by subtracting the trust funds. For example, the White House projected a fiscal year 2008 deficit of $425 billion. The actual deficit is $1,074 billion. The President and Congress constantly use Social Security surpluses to report a lower deficit. Section 13-301 of the Budget Act forbids this. But the President and Congress violate the law to appear fiscally responsible. Then they report Social Security is in trouble. Social Security reports a surplus of $2.4 trillion and is not in trouble.

Now we have the economists' charade of free trade. As Henry Clay, one of John F. Kennedy's "Profiles in Courage," said in 1832: "Free Trade! Free Trade! The call for free trade is as unavailing as the cry of a spoiled child. ... It never existed; it never will exist. ..."

--opening to Ernest F Hollings' op-ed

"Good morning everyone! Here's a little tune to get everyone in the right mood for the Friday before a 3 day weekend. Never mind the global melt down -- just stay happy! "

Ha! Good one, Alicia.

Are other individuals like me? When asked to participate in a poll I always give just the opposite reply of my true conviction. Reason being I do not trust the pollsters, their questions, or how they will report the data. And really polls are only a glimpse of reality taken at one precise moment in time, and in 10 minutes later your view may take a 180 degree turn.

National Debt Too Big for National Debt Clock to Handle

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/07/national_debt_too_big_for_national.php

if it's not one, thing it's another...

Happy Friday !

Wall Street Really Needs Relief

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/09/wall_street_needs_relief_in_more_wa.php

------------off to work

Then they report Social Security is in trouble. Social Security reports a surplus of $2.4 trillion and is not in trouble.

That would be true if it wasn't constantly being raided, a practice I might add has been around since the early 50's. Remember the Social Security Lock Box? Sounds goods, but a lock box is only good when it is locked, the government just forgot to lock it.

oh man................Leboutlier on Imus blasting Bush out of the freaking water......

Newsmax.com

Esquire Magazine in its first endorsement ever of a presidential candidate endorses Obama

newsmax dot com seems to be from my perusal a republican rag site, as in all the articles seem to rip obama.......but Leboutlier, of newsmax, was just on Imus and ripped bush up one side and down the other.....a laundry list of gop lies, half truths, obfuscations, incompetancies, and rippings of the constitution.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157237
Posted by: tonyb39 | October 10, 2008 7:54 AM

Hi Tony,
I've wondered why you haven't been around as much. Hope everything is good for you.

Have a good day!

bridget bardot slams Palin:

http://newsmax.com/entertainment/bardot_palin_disgrace/2008/10/07/138185.html

In a final salvo against Palin, the 74-year-old ex-star picked up on Palin's depiction of herself as a pitbull wearing lipstick and said she "implored" her not to compare herself to dogs.

"I know them well and I can assure you that no pitbull, no dog, nor any other animal for that matter is as dangerous as you are,"
--Ms Bardot

sturgeone

John Leboutlier of Newsmax. com did rip Bush a new one, and rightfully so Bush portrayed himself to be a Conservative, and turn out to be just a big government spender, and someone who like most politicians talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk the walk. Conservatives have never been happy with Bush's actions. Although McCain is not a true Conservative he is closer to that image than Bush. Unless there is a major terrorist attack, Obama is looking like he will win, but that doesn't mean he is the best choice, it means Bush screwed McCain and the Conservative movement. Obama will saddle the US taxpayer with bigger deficits, higher taxes, and more government programs.

As to Ms. Bardot, why would one anyone care what she has to say? She was a dreadful actress, known for only removing her clothes. I think she did have a compassion heart for animals.

http://leboutillier.blogspot.com/

Yesterday at a McCain-Palin rally in Waukesha, Wisconsin, a conservative voter in the crowd stood and asked Senator McCain this question:

“Many of us in this crowd are furious...we’re wondering how did we get here...how can a man like Barack Obama be on the verge of being elected President?”

Here is the answer to that question:

In 1999 and 2000 the Bush political operation seized control of the Republican Party and bought off the conservative movement. They put up George W. Bush as the new ‘savior’ - their One - the “son of Reagan” they called him - they orchestrated that spectacle of every local politician from all over the country traipsing down to Austin to “beg” Governor Bush to run for President and he was elected as the new conservative hero.

But his presidency has been anything but conservative. In fact, it has been the most incompetent, dis-honest and un-conservative administration - ever!

Just look at these few items which, if done by a Democrat, would have brought calls from us on the Right not only to impeach but to imprison for life:

• Ignored the CIA memo - “Bin Laden Determined to Attack US with Hijacked Jets”

• Pledged to get Osama Bin Laden “dead or alive” - a pledge still unfulfilled seven years later!

• Lied, distorted and cherry picked US intelligence to scare the Hell out of a nervous American people after 9/11 to justify a pre-emptive invasion of a country that had not attacked us.

• And then lied to create a link between Saddam and Bin Laden so as to justify this invasion - when the real reason was a take-over of American foreign policy by neo-cons and payback by G.W. Bush’s because Sadaam had “tried to kill my Dad!” as he told member of Congress when he lobbied them for their vote for the resolution authorizing force.

• Mis-managed every aspect of the war in Iraq.

• Drained the US Treasury of $650 Billion on that war.

• Lied to the Republican US Congress about the true cost of a new entitlement - Prescription Drug Benefit under Medicare - hiding an additional $400 billion in order to secure passage.

• Consistently ran up staggeringly huge annual deficits.

• Exerted not one drop of fiscal control over runaway federal spending - under a supposedly conservative Republican Congress!!!

• Federalized education - and passed No Child Left Behind with Teddy Kennedy - a total flop of a program - and not conservative! We do NOT believe the Federal Government should be running high school education!

• Showed true ineptitude - and a total lack of compassion - after that Compassionate Conservatism nonsense - in dealing with Hurricane Katrina.

• Blustering and boasting and bragging at every turn about how we might bomb or attack or invade any country who dared to disagree with us.

• Destroyed the good opinion of America around the globe. We have gone from the Shining City on a Hill to a despised, bullying regime.

• Expanded the scope and power of the federal government at every turn. Blew off Congress and tried to turn the Executive into a power unto himself - using ‘signing statements’ to undo legislation.

• And now this year: one massive bail-out after another - over a trillion dollars - with talk of nationalizing banks and other industries, thus causing the headline today in the Wall Street Journal today asking: “Are We Having Socialism Now?”

• And a fitting end to these eight years: a total economic meltdown - with the Federal Government seen as more at the cause of it than any other entity.

So, to my fellow conservative in Waukesha - and everywhere else - you wonder “Why are we here - with a lefty like Barack Obama on the verge of becoming President?” - and the answer is YOU! You helped create and further a total fraud of a President and a total failure of a Presidency - and that has caused the nation to choose- quite reluctantly - the Mirror Opposite of Bush: Barack Obama.

The voters can’t stand the thought of another four years like the past eight - so they will roll the dice, despite Ayers and Reverend Wright and Acorn, and try something different.

If the Bush Administration had been competent and honest, Obama would never even exist politically.

I care what Ms Bardot has to say.......she spent her youth making money utilizing her rather ample assets and then ceased making movies and embarked upon a life of service to humanity, thru her love of animals.

I care what she has to say......doesnt mean I idolize her or her views......but she is a voice to be reckoned with.
From wikipedia
In 1998 she was convicted for making a statement about the growing number of mosques in France[17].

In a book she wrote in 1999, called "Le Carre de Pluton" (Pluto's Square), she criticizes the procedure used in the ritual slaughter of sheep during the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. For the comments, a French court fined her 30,000 francs in June 2000. [18] [19].

In a 2001 article named, Open Letter to My Lost France, she said: "...my country, France, my homeland, my land is again invaded by an overpopulation of foreigners, especially Muslims."[17][19]

In her 2003 book, A Scream in the Silence, she warned of the “Islamicization of France”, and said of Muslim immigration:

"Over the last twenty years, we have given in to a subterranean, dangerous, and uncontrolled infiltration, which not only resists adjusting to our laws and customs but which will, as the years pass, attempt to impose its own."[20]
In the book, she goes on and talks about her homosexual friends, and said today's homosexuals, "jiggle their bottoms, put their little fingers in the air and with their little castrato voices moan about what those ghastly heteros put them through". She says French politicians are, "weather vanes who turn left or right as the fancy takes them... Not even French prostitutes are what they used to be". She says modern art has become "shit—literally as well as figuratively."

In May 2003 the Movement Against Racism and for Friendship between Peoples announced they will sue Bardot. The "Ligue des Droits de l'Homme" (The Human Rights League) announced they were considering similar legal proceedings.[19]

In her defense, Bardot wrote a letter to a French gay magazine, saying, "Apart from my husband—who maybe will cross over one day as well—I am entirely surrounded by homos. For years, they have been my support, my friends, my adopted children, my confidants."[21]

On 10 June 2004 Bardot was convicted by a French court of "inciting racial hatred" and fined 5,000 €, the fourth such conviction/fine she has received from French courts. The courts cited passages where Bardot referred to the "Islamisation of France" and the "underground and dangerous infiltration of Islam"[22]. Bardot's book also attacked "the mixing of genes" and compared her beliefs with previous generations who had "given their lives to push out invaders".[23]

Bardot denied the "racial hatred" charge and apologized in court, saying: "I never knowingly wanted to hurt anybody. It is not in my character.[24] She excused her opposition to interracial marriage stating that she was born in 1934 and such marriage was looked down on then.[25]

In 2008, she was convicted of inciting racial/religious hatred in relation to a letter she wrote, a copy of which she sent to Nicolas Sarkozy when he was Interior Minister of France. The letter stated her objections to Muslims in France ritually slaughtering sheep by slitting their throats without stunning them first. She also objected to France's rapidly growing Muslim community trying to take over France and impose their culture, values, lifestyles etc. on France and its native people. The trial[26] concluded on 3 June 2008, with a conviction and fine of fifteen thousand Euros, the largest of her fines to date. The prosecutor stated that she was tired of charging Bardot with offences related to racial hatred.[5]

bridget bardot is not the problem here, however......or need she be the focus......the problem is sarah palin and john mccain.......the problem is not with ms palin's gender......it's her agenda.

and mccain? he should shut up and go home to sit on the damn porch. He's a first rate embarassment to the people of america, like the man he so embarrassingly hugged in that famous photo, george bush.........

apologies for the excessive posting.......I shall arise and go now........talk amongst yourselves........and I will spend the day talking among mine.........lol

Obama and ACORN, is there a problem?

"This is a story I’ve been largely ignoring for days now until there was meaningful evidence and background. Well, the time has come that it appears there are too many news stories to ignore."

http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/09/obama-and-acorn-is-there-a-problem-voter-registration-fraud/

Craig---Laughing on the outside------but will Obama, or McCain stop this and stop some of the stress that our country is going thru on the inside? What happened to the Iraq oil $, will one of them tell us that we are going to freeze foreign aid that is not absolutely necessary.If they do i will switch from R Paul

This is from Global Policy Forum
# US to Fund Pro-American Publicity in Iraqi Media (October 3, 2008)
The US Department of Defense will pay private contractors in Iraq, such as SOSI and Lincoln Group, US$300 million to produce news stories, entertainment and public service advertisements for the Iraqi media. The US hopes by funding pro-US media that Iraqis will accept a prolonged US presence. (Washington Post)

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sturg..... IMO..... you don't post enough.....

chloe..... good to see you posting again......

Alicia..... I LOVE your original moniker......

I am voting for Obama...... but I am NOT an Obot......

gotta busy day..... have a nice weekend.....
it's Indian Summer here in NE.... the Red Sox are in the playoffs...... the foliage this year is spectacular!..... it's a great time to be alive!

Bethyboo----you are one of the nicest posters here, could not be upset with you,,,,,, but here

Bethyboo Wrote Oct,9-20085:22 am

If we stole Mexico, it was from Spain. California was originally land inhabited by Indians, or Native Americans. 'Mexico' was stolen from Indians by the Spanish who treated that vast area as a colony. It was never truly ruled by 'Mexicans' because there were only Spaniards and Indians. Granted we butted in and took over land that had been lived on from ancient times, and they were certainly not Mexicans or Spaniards - but what else is new? We moved in and took over, as people have been doing since before recorded time.

To say we stole from a country that was basically a colony of just another colonial European power is, to me, a dreamy view of history.

I'm by no means defending western treatment of Native Americans - god knows it isn't pretty or pleasant.
But I don't think Spain's treatment of the New World deserves defense. Spain wanted money from the New World, and by god, they took it and left messes behind.

!st----Mexicans are Indians, and Spanish-----I was born in Mexico and have spanish blood from my mothers side (Gama-a spanish name) My pop is Indian.

2nd---California was not basically a colony when it was invaded by us, in 1821 Mexico overthrew Spain's colonial rule, It became a SOVEREIGN NATION.

3rd--That California belonged to Mexico did not deter Pres. Polk---he believed it was Americas Manifest Destiny ( he first tried to buy it several times--when Mexico refused---he used the conflict of Texas as excuse for invading,Texas was also illegal aquired) to one day occupy the Continent from Atlantic to Pacific, this ( in my opinion ) catch phrase gave the people(with the help of the Media) permission for expanionism, and divine sanction.

This predestination goes on today-----in the Haitian Islands with the help of the British 5-7 years ago we forced a people that lived one of the islands for thousands of years,( I saw pictures----a true paradise) off that island and made it an air force base, right now i can't recall the name, but it's there, thanks

Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 9, 2008 11:41 AM
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Gas is $2.74 in West Fort Worth

"So, to my fellow conservative in Waukesha - and everywhere else - you wonder “Why are we here - with a lefty like Barack Obama on the verge of becoming President?” - and the answer is YOU! You helped create and further a total fraud of a President and a total failure of a Presidency - and that has caused the nation to choose- quite reluctantly - the Mirror Opposite of Bush: Barack Obama."

Sturge shoots and scores.

Tony where have you been Huh?

You told me to post more, and i did now you get back in the game so i can stop bare assing myself >

A certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) birth certificate?

Patsi.......that was John LeBoutillier shooting and scoring........I am deficient in properly accrediting my posts to their proper sources.....I'll work on that......but that is LeBoutillier's latest post on his blog site......which he seems to have read verbatim on Imus this morning.........

Gordo......love ya, pal, but I wouldnt care if obama was a red canadian sasquatch with an illegal visa..........them there republicans gotta go.....now.

by the way......from the numbers posted yesterday in the charleston post and courier relating to NEW registered voters in SC it seems that while not being noticed in any polls, SC might well be in play for the election. So, I must revise my feeling that McCain is a lock in SC to one by which it seems that SC might be a huge surprise come november.......

Former McCain Strategist Warns Against "Angry Mob"

"People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Senator Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Senator McCain," Weaver said. "And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/former-mccain-strategist_n_133523.html

Constitution?

Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html

Seems like a common theme developing. I wonder how long before his rallies start become violent.

A guy on c-span just said something that's been on my mind ever since this money crisis started: a bunch of housing loans in the US cannot be causing a worldwide crisis. I understand the bundling of debt etc, but this seems to be a simplistic answer.

The guy on c-span asked for an audit of the world banking system to see who, what and why this is really going on.

I truly believe that these home loans have been scapegoated to cover up some seriously bad business that's been going on in this financial one-world that we live in.

Certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of Obama in the names:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :
BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :
BARRY OBAMA, a/k/a :
BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :
BARRY DUNHAM ?

A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship?

Gordo.......NOW you ask Constitution??

lol..............where you been the last eight years?

but yes, Constitution.......he's NOT a red canadian sasquatch with an illegal visa.........

and.....in re anon-paranoid and his worries about obama's safety..........there is a serious vibrating undercurrent of pure hatred in america today.....a proudly unrepentant racist hatred.........which republicans have been successful in tapping into, mostly thru "code words", thinly veiled atwater/rovesque attack ads and insinuations......"welfare queens, reagan's statements in pulaski, willie horton".......harold ford's run in tennessee...............

I remember a friend of mine coming over after the kennedy assassination and astounding me with his statement that the guy who shot kennedy should get a medal of some sort. I was in ninth grade as was he.

A certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of majority?

Craig I think Obama might have seen your thread today, he just said "The only thing we have to fear....." at his jobs rally in Ohio.

NEW YORK In a surprising a letter to the editor published in The New York Times today, the chief prosecutor of the Weather Underground in the 1970s expressed outrage over the linking of Barack Obama to Bill Ayers by the McCain campaign, adding, "Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003873017

Certified copies of Obama’s Application and Admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School?

From the Esquire endorsement of Obama, worth a repeat:

"There is no evidence at all that anything will change under a President John McCain, who has already identified Roberts and Alito as his beau ideals of Supreme Court justices. He has made brave noises about torture and the extraconstitutional prerogatives of the executive, but President Bush and his men went on and did what they wanted anyway, and McCain walked away, begging for votes from fundamentalists who hate him, meeping his displeasure in ways that were barely audible. The virus will gestate and spread on his watch, all throughout the federal government. Bushism must be ripped out, root and branch, everywhere it has been established, or else the presidential election of 2008 is a worthless exercise in futility. Barack Obama may not be the man to do it, but John McCain, for all his laudable qualities, clearly is neither willing nor able to do so. "

--by the Editors of Esquire Magazine.

"I remember a friend of mine coming over after the kennedy assassination and astounding me with his statement that the guy who shot kennedy should get a medal of some sort. I was in ninth grade as was he."

I was stationed at Ft Knox. We heard of the shooting just before we mounted our trucks returning from a week-long bivouac. By the time we go back to garrison, he was dead.

The reaction, as I recall it, was complete dismay and sorrow that a warrior was felled by an assassin's bullets. Troops, without prompting, donned their dress uniforms and stood retreat in his honor.

We spent much of the next few days at the NCO club watching events unfold on TV. I don't recall anyone doing any serious drinking--it was just people talking and coming to grips with our loss.

These, of course, were the days when a soldier's life centered mostly around his unit.

Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama?

Like a bad call in sports by the ref---will the US overcompensate, we need to take care of our southern boarder ( in a safe way) and stop the human flow from there, and should over all( a freeze on all) until we as a country get back on our feet? my concern is also safety, with less $ and jobs to go around, it's going to get nasty around here? If all is business as usual, I also think that the world power brokers are using the little guy as pawns again.

US Urged to Share More of Refugee Burden (October 8, 2008)
The US promises to accept 5,000 more Iraqi refugees, making the US annual target for 2009, 17,000. Humanitarian groups are demanding the US shoulder more of the burden for caring for the reported 4.7 million uprooted Iraqis, which resulted from the US-led invasion. (Inter Press Service)

I truly believe that these home loans have been scapegoat to cover up some seriously bad business that's been going on in this financial one-world that we live in.

The one major aspect of this melt down is occurring because the US is in finical danger, and all the world depends on the US. Look back to when the Japanese market went into a tail spin, or Russia, or any other country for that matter. When they have financial crisis the US market isn't affected to any great degree, but this not the case when the US is in danger, and that is simply because the world is dependent upon the US for it's stability and their security.

Posted by: Patsi | October 10, 2008 9:59 AM

You are correct Patsi, more is going on here...

Question, if either McCain or Obama die (and I truly do not want this to happen), who is the candidate? The VP choice? I am ignorant of this process.

Obama promises mean nothing . silence probably is best.

Obama promised to vote against FISA.
Obama promised the bailout was necessary and would help
people losing their homes.

I was in ninth grade study hall when a guy ran in and said "Kennedy's been shot" and ran out......I remember at first wondering how on earth my classmate, Henry Kennedy, had managed to have gotten shot.......school was let out......I may have been naive, but up until my friend said that about the medal I could not conceive of anyone's not being absolutely devastated by the fact that our president had been assassinated in the streets of Dallas........in what was then to me "this day and age".

and Lee Oswald told the truth........he was a patsy.

Lee Oswald told the truth........he was a patsy.

That would be a willing patsy.

Bush is talking and the DOW continues to drop like stone.

As long as obama promises nothing but to be anyone but bush or mccain......he's got my vote.

Obama happens to be right now: absolutely the ONLY possible alternative to 4 more republican years to further scrap all the hitherto beautiful idealsand promise of our nation.

vote Anti-TheoNeoCon in 2008

perhaps, the world economy collapsed when the top took much money and there wasn't any support on the bottom when the money dried up because the top was loaded with greedy pigs (some with lipstick). Too heavy at the top, too fat, too greedy...not the little people at the bottom. I am sick of hearing this as the little people's problem.

GWB should give back the money he hasn't earned as President. Let the fatcats give back.

A 500 pt swing in the in the DOW from its lows this morning to now, and Monday the markets are closed. DOW will hit @7200 before this fear game subsidizes.

MK-ULTRA

Too heavy at the top, too fat, too greedy...not the little people at the bottom. I am sick of hearing this as the little people's problem.

And whose Union Fund would you first start with, Teachers, Autoworkers? The point is I don't recall anyone complaining when their 401k's, IRA, company pension plans were doing so well last October 2007 year when the stock market made its all time high.

Social and Economic Polic

When founding the United Nations in 1945, member states agreed to work together to promote “economic and social advancement of all peoples, poverty and income inequality are on the rise, many people endure terrible working conditions, and the world population faces an alarming environmental crisis. While the UN and its related institutions do much to promote development, other powerful institutions and actors dominate the global economic system. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization wield tremendous power over global social and economic policy. But these actors generally represent the interests of the rich while excluding the voices of the poor. Transnational corporations are also gaining increasing influence, with some of the biggest enjoying larger annual income than many low- and medium-income countries. Meanwhile, most UN member states fail to live up to promises of increased international aid and funding for hunger emergencies.

Will McCain or Obama do something to help the middle class, when they will be the most influential player of them all, whats that about power corrupts. I can say with some confidence that if R Paul were Pres. he would try to control US, and world greed, he has been talking about it, but yes we have to get the R's out of the white house, if just to slow things down a little bit?

The low for the DOW today is 7882, it is right now 8333. So far today the DOW has sung 800 points, and it is all based on fear selling. The good news if you can call it that, you won't have to worry about Obama taxing capital gains

Sturg, You are going to talk those with thinking minds and also validate that Barack Obama is continue of the same failed policy.

Barack is not change from our failed past.

Well Said - you must keep following your own logic and facts.

To the partisan Democrats (and anyone else who cares):

The question is not a matter of which candidate or which party is in the best-interest of the United States, and by extension, all of us. The laundry list of Republican failures and transgressions over the last eight years makes espousal or even defense of McCain and his platform a difficult if not futile task, despite of any allegiances to the current administration he may or may not have. Very few here attempt to argue to such end, and those who have and do are honest about it from my perception.

The sincerity of "PUMA" and its adherents is certainly a valid question to pursue, although considering the format of this forum and the elective anonymity it provides, conclusions drawn to that end are mostly conjecture, at least regarding the motivations of specific posters here, at "Trail Mix". I suppose stronger cases could be made concerning more public figures in the so-called "PUMA" movement, who have pasts and records more available for criticism. Once again, that's not the issue; at least not for me.

For me, the issue isn't about Bill Ayers. Ayers is a two-bit chump, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not worried about him influencing policy in the slightest. It's not about the "Rev" Wright, with whom I actually agree more than not, especially with his admonition to Obama that criticism would be directed at the next administration, despite any previous familiarity between the two. Nor is the issue Rezko- yet another unseemly character of the type that seems to populate the political community with which I'm sure most politicians have similar associations, given the nature of their business.

The issue is the plethora of unanswered questions regarding Obama, the campaign's reticence to address them in earnest, and also Obama's equivocation on issues such as FISA and civil liberties, "middle-eastern" foreign policy, gay marriage, and the impetus for his supposed religious affiliation, to name a few. It is the duty of all voting Americans to pursue such questions, whether they be Republican, Democrat, or neither. Attempts to derail or marginalize those efforts are counter-productive, and to my mind, dangerous. Blind faith is not a virtue.

Obama's election to the presidency is a fore-gone conclusion. Even if there were no polls during the campaign with which to assess the preferences of the electorate, it would be a reasonable assertion that a strong Democratic showing is inevitable considering the extent of (well-founded, in my opinion) dissatisfaction with the incumbent administration and by extension its proponents in congress. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

It is our right to have, and should be the candidates' obligation to provide, as much pertinent information as would be necessary to make a well-informed and rational choice for either candidate and the resulting administration they would impose. To be more colloquial, I would like to know what I'm buying before the transaction is completed. Any efforts in obstruction of that are intellectually dishonest, AT BEST.

Yes, I realize that I'm talking to a wall, or many walls. Damn shame.

Ping......the only continuation of failed policy i see is mccain palin........the failed policy is republican......maybe democrats are this and that and a lot of the other, but they're not bush....and not a continuation of his policies.......

Smuggy Snarky Thread Today

The Alexrod Era
A Salute to Richard Nixon! (and racially divisive politics)
I Have A Plan (I'll tell you after the election)

anselm...one teacher did not cause this...it is the top, fatcats. Once they start to suffer, things will change.

Have a great day...I will continue to work until I lose this job, too.

The issue is the plethora of unanswered questions regarding Obama..

And that is the problem, the plethora of unanswered questions, which will only be revealed after Obama takes office. Then the American public will ask why didn't we know this before? The answer is you weren't curious enough to press the news media for an answer.

Love it, Craig, love it. "Happy Days are here Again" :-)

It used to be for GOOD news, no matter what, you could call your stock broker.

I'll add to this, that:

Where have all the dollars gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the dollars gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the dollars gone?
Greedy capitalists have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the home owners gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the home owners gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the home owners gone?
Taken apartments every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the banks gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the banks gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the banks gone?
Gone for bankrupt every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the stock brokers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the stock brokers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the stock brokers gone?
Gone to unemployment every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Etc.

"Where have all the Flowers Gone?" by Pete Seeger

~Sorry Pete.

tt

Panic attacks: Voters unload at GOP rallies

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html

Bad news for Grandpa if all the reporting about his rallies is how rage filled and ugly the crowds are becoming.

Sturg,
Labels Labels Labels,
In your own argument you state the following regarding Bush 2...

"But his presidency has been anything but conservative. In fact, it has been the most incompetent, dis-honest and un-conservative administration - ever!" and if anything but conservative this would be Liberal which would be Barack Obama.

Therefore Barack Obama is in fact the continuation of the failed (much by complacent behavior) policy of Bush.

the only change about Barack Obama is Change in his positions to be more centric in HIS WORDS ONLY.

Barack Obama is winning for two reasons.

The American People do attach the failed situation correctly to Bush, and default to Republicans - Regardless of this not being factual. And thus McCain pays the price if he can not break this perception - which is the only campaign message Barack or Biden spew.

Barack Obama is successful and protected from answering questions – as has been so correctly pointed out in today’s blog – and in his spewing has been successful in making McCain appear to be the mud slinger when in fact McCain (and more now in America) are asking Obama a valid question that happens to have possible negative elements.

Ref Champs post above – outstanding

So yes if one is intellectually honest with themselves – in the privacy of the booth they will vote for McCain – IF THEY CAN GET OVER THE HATE OF BUSH and understand in policy Obama is in fact more of the same

Ping

You are a very good person, and care for people,,,,,,,,, but lets face it you are just picking sides, you are Republican, and wan to stay one, when you see that someone is being clubbed to death, you want it to stop, Im sure that you would not pick up a club and join the others in such a way as to couse it it's death or great harm? what more proof do you need, than the last 8 yrs to lose team mentality, Il is where i live so i will be voting for R P but if i were in a state that was a close call i would not hesitate to go Obama----don't like him, have never liked slick people, but i want to look out for that guy being clubbed by the R's thanks

Dateline Dallas:

There's a yard sign war. Each side is stealing the other side's yard signs.

Some yard signs are altered to read.

"McPain" or "McPain & Pain" taking out the L in Palin.

I didn't do it, but I like it.

tt

Let me correct,
IF THEY CAN REMOVE THE BLINDERS CALLED GEORGE BUSH and understand that Obama is in fact more of the same.

Many Valid reasons to have issues with George Bush, But Judge McCain and Obama by Their facts and what they have actually done.

Obama is not running against Bush - you would never know it by the spewing (i love that word attached to obama) to deflect and redirect so he does not have to answer questions

Pong you've been pushing that line of Obama is just another Bush for weeks now, no one is buying, you only have 25 days left, you better try something else.

Tony--------Move over on the bench, and get me a beer(bud-bottle) im coming over there and stop posting so much, and let the first string do the talking,

SolarCrete - I am a centric that demands fiscal responsibility and not allow political or social agenda to over ride sound fiscal policy. I have NEVER voted a straight ticket and will not this time. I happen to NOW be Republican as in a true historical (or southern Dem) is for less Government.

Your response is exactly my point – LABELS !! Not issue based.

The club you reference is based on liberal policy that violated sound fiscal policy. This is Barack – Eddie Haskell – Obama (Oh My I just labeled)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157268

Thee and me both Patsi. These major downturns are cyclical. They have nothing to do with one single action or trend in one country. Anyone who had read the book Generations, knew this one was coming along about now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/obama-predicted-gops-nast_n_133562.html

Spot on!

"one teacher did not cause this"

Excuse me, I didn't say one teacher, I said or alluded to Teachers Unions, Steelworkers Unions, Auto Workers, Federal Employee savings plan, your 401k, my IRA, basically anyone who invested into the market, anyone who bought a home they couldn't possibly afford, people who over extend their credit. Where was the concern back 1 year ago yesterday when things were riding high and your accounts were fat? There wasn't any because when things are going well and your accounts and home are showing a nice profit, who looks under the hood to find out what isn't running right? NO ONE. You come and leave with the one who brought you, in this case it was the markets. Housing, stock, credit, take your pick. The blame for this is very wide spread and runs from government right down to the individual. People have to face reality it is as much our fault with the way thing are allowed to run and it is with those who run the processes. Who here wrote, called, anyone last year about the housing debacle? Or called their banks to see how many sub-prime mortgages they have entered into, or called your broker to inquirer if your account was to heavy weighted with financial holdings? It is easy to blame someone else for our misgivings. Maybe next time we might not be so greedy. Old axiom which holds true, "Bears and Bulls make money, Pigs get slaughtered."

Anyone who had read the book Generations, knew this one was coming along about now.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM

Hindsight is 20/20. Should I assume anyone who has read "Generations" is now fabulously wealthy form shorting the market? Damn; should have read "Generations".

All that talk back in the Palineolithic Era... pitbull, lipstick, hockey mom... 'member?

At this time I'd like to call her what she is -- America's hooky mom.

No one parent I know who has had a child born with or without a recognizable condition takes as much time as both the Palins have away from their newborn.

The damage such absence does to ANY child is consistently, well, monumental.

It ain't patriotism that drives them -- just egregious personal ambition.

In all the bizzes in which I've been, I've known dozens of Sarah Palins without regard for gender.

Their ethics and morality are based on a simple, incontrovertible principal.

If they do it or say it, it is both the right and the only thing to do.

Gordo, darling... have you read the McCain history in Rolling Stone?

At least read its opening: tt's a wee bit better than your stories as it comes from a source of unimpeachable quality.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

You seem bright.

Yet when it comes to impeachable sources, I regret that you insist on proving you are pretty much the pits.

"but lets face it you are just picking sides, you are Republican"

And that would make you what?

CRAIG --
Why is Obama ashamed to be honest about his liberal past?

Is he really changing?
Is he really shifting away from his actual record and will behave with fiscal responsibility?

What is it about the spots on a leopard?

Happy Talk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF2ImyQjzyc

"Rolling Stone" Magazine is a source of unimpeachable quality?! Is this some strange parallel universe into which I've wandered? Good golly Miss Molly. Un-fricken-believable.

ashamed? Oh please pong, I remember at some point towards the end of the primary process one of the talking heads said something to the effect of "liberals are getting angry because Obama wants to win"

That pretty much sums up my attitude at what you call Obama's shift to the center. One of the problems you and most of the McCain folks, and many of the pundits keep failing to acknowledge is this is not your usual election. Tossing about Reagan era "slurs" of liberal and socialist aren't winning you any points with the public. Nor is the angry mob mentality taking over the McCain rallies.

Apparently McCain's flip flopping on immigration isn't winning him any votes either!

Hispanics turn cold shoulder to McCain

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14444.html

Speaking of happy talk

"(10-09) 19:10 PDT -- The top brass of Wachovia Corp., which lost billions betting on risky mortgages and neared the brink of bankruptcy last week, could walk away with tens of millions of dollars if Wells Fargo & Co. completes its acquisition of the Charlotte, N.C. bank."

KGC, I'll top your Happy Talk with

Don't Worry be Happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

tt

When JFK was killed and Oswald caught I told my friends that he would never go to trial and would be killed. He was.

When Jack Ruby killed Oswald in the Dallas jailhouse basement I said that Ruby would never stand trial. He didn't, he died as well.

As to how Obama would handle the economy, a lot better than McCain.

Besides since were on the verge of a depression worse than 1929 how much worse do you think Obama can make it?

It would be the same for McCain.

The next four years will be bad for all Americans and if you think that McCain can make it any better your delusional.

The market is crashing and no matter how much money is thrown into it will change that fact. We are going from a weak recession to a full blown recession into a depression I believer by the end of the year.

Better start saving money and gold and stuffing your mattresses because its going to be a long time before anything turns around.

Good luck since you'll all need it just like me.

Ping--------sorry for the label, but the last 8 yrs still stand, what fiscal policy? from the R's, they just joined the D's and f----ked us all with out even a dinner first, come to think of it Bush didn't kiss me before he f----ked me.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157267

That crowd at the McPalin rally yesterday was a borderline lynch mob.

I had a conversation about the election recently with a African American client. He joyful at the thought of having a black president. At the same time he expressed concern that there would be a backlash of white racism toward black people in general.

Jamie I want to update my electoral projection, I think Obama will pick up one vote from Nebraska

365/173

No one parent I know who has had a child born with or without a recognizable condition takes as much time as both the Palins have away from their newborn.

And so your recommendation would be for her to abort? Even though this practice is totally counter to her beliefs? And a person who preaches one thing and does the opposite is called what? A hypocrite. How much mileage would the pro-abortion side got out of that decisions?

champ,

Before Dickinson, RS's principal political writer was William Grieder whose much criticized "One World, Ready or Not: The Manic Logic of Global Capitalism (1997)" turns out to have been as prophetic as so many, many, many soi-disant champions are pathetic.

Of what are you a champion anyway?

Other than your ultra-personal inner horseradish and all other bitter herbs, that is.

You wanna be Happy! Happy song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YikDJIj9Mo

Anselm,

She is a negligent parent.

How do you raise your kids?

Solar - We have come to agreement - I was pleased with the Rep House cleaning in 06 - but it fell short of the cleaning we need.
"the R's, they just joined the D's " you say ! 100% correct.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157318

Champ

It's not too late to buy it and its two sequels. The one you want now is "The Fourth Turning"

http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-Str-William/dp/0767900464/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223653043&sr=1-2

There really are trends in human action and reaction. Now whether or not some who read it are now very wealthy ... could be. I didn't have money to invest, so that group doesn't include me.

1. These major market selloffs this week are the ultimate in panic selling as it's been driven by people liquidating 401K and personal mutual fund positions. The professionals are watching the slaughter from the sidelines and are getting ready to pounce.

2. You realize that with regards to Obama, he went to have as many institutions of higher learning as Palin, but has twice the number of degrees?

3. Craig, you're starting to sound Polyannaish with your near "sky is falling" mentality as to how Obama would govern. He has run a steady and effective campaign and the one criticism I have heard from people is that he would be too much of an incrementalist with regards to pushing a change agenda. You think McCain is better? He was a fighter pilot. He was trained to fly into combat at a high rate of speed and rely on technology to give him his tactical advantage to win his fight. He only had his own life to worry about and if he ever mishandled his plane, he could bail out. Unlike a bomber pilot, he didn't have others to manage or protect. You couldn't afford reckless behavior and expect to live.

Truth. Honesty. Integrity. Freedom.

Tiptoe

as long as it doesn't turn into this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itfms556DgE

9/11 - Rolling Stone article is written as Many Pretend news articles is in fact an Editorial.

I could take the same facts and SPIN it as they have but in a positive for McCain.

It is all in the paradigm of the reader,

Happy Working Song -- for cleaning up big messes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb2si7fClqA

Anselm,,,,,,,,Just a pissed Ind. all my life,watching the my d---k is bigger that yours, from the two party system, and screwing things up so much that no party will take responsability, you both R's and D' will just point a finger at the other.

Same sex marriage now legal here in Connecticut. Decision just handed down. Yea!!!

ubns - What is Barack stance on this issue?

Barack opposes it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157346

Good news ubns! See" Things are looking up already!

What info do those documents contain that would cause SoetorObama/DNC to fight against discovery in the Berg lawsuit?

Guess:

1) His legal name is Barry Soetoro.

2) Because of multiple reasons involving citizenship status - he is constitutionally ineligible for the office of POTUS.

If he has nothing to hide - let's see the documents. Just tell us the TRUTH.

I like this one better.

"Whistle While You Work"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY3aljAO7qU

tt

She is a negligent parent.

Now that is your opinion. My opinion is she did what she believes in. Life. I just never understood women who have abortions for the sake of having an abortion. Nothing medically wrong with them, baby if fine, not like there is a surplus of children up for adoption, but they decide to terminate what would become a living breathing human. But that is their decisions to make and to live with, not mine.
And in Plains' case that is their decision, and maybe some day stem cell research may find a cure down syndrome. You do believe in the possibilities that stem cell research might offer humanity someday don't you?

How do you raise your kids?

By teaching them right from wrong, by example, and by making them accountable for their own decisions.

Obama does not oppose individual states legalizing same sex marriages.

you both R's and D' will just point a finger at the other.

Yes that is the way, isn't it. And to be silly for a moment yet serious for a second, I don't think they have ever been taught as children how to play and get along with one another. The my way or the highway pretty much is entrenched in both parties.

"And in Plains' case that is their decision, and maybe some day stem cell research may find a cure down syndrome. "

Palin opposes stem cell research, so I assume if a cure for Downs was found using stem cell research she would not allow it to be used on her child.

Brain - Liberal is a slur? You may think this and maybe why Obama runs from it...

I use it as a factual point of reference to political position and action - ref social agendas and big control by Government - the opposite of Conservative. I do not intend or use it as a slur or negative.

Which again my question why does Obama run from his truth?

"Brain - Liberal is a slur? You may think this and maybe why Obama runs from it..."

That was pretty lame pong, come on bud, you can do better than that, just because you're candidate has now resorted to cheap tricks doesn't mean you have to too.

Ping----

last thought on picking sides,,,,maybe not all but

The Rs and Ds pick sides because they want to be just like the powerful that represent them, and like to dress like them, we all want to succeed like them ( I think they are failures for the most part) we know that we won't but are they the next best thing? Us indies, just want them to get along and dress properly for hard times.

Anon -- do you lay awake at night praying for horrible things to happen to the US? Assassinations, military coups and the like?

Brain WRONG ===
Palin DOES NOT appose Stem Cell Research.
She Supports Stem cell research that in fact is proving very successful and can be accomplished from other sources vs only Embryonic Stem Cells.

She is constant in her belief for protecting human dignity and life and that life begins at conception.

This is just another dishonest Obamination of the Truth and attempt to paint Sarah Palin as a right wing extremist.

Just like saying she wants to criminalize abortion which is not true.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157343

Ping,

Rolling Stone has never claimed to be a news magazine. Anyone reading it knows that while they do excellent research and fact checking and the articles are well written and useful, in the end they are the opinion of the writer.

solarcrete - Well put,
Question ?
Of the two that are running - which one crossed and truely worked with the other "Side"?

Which one fought their own "side" the most for the good of the country?

I say the actions and facts are very clear on this one...
John McCain.

And yes I agree that Barack has a few times found a support from the "other side" but this is more expception then the case
And maybe his will CHANGE and his Words Just Words will become his future...

But no doubt John McCain has proven his leaderhsip accross and working with 'the other side"

Well, you know that job one for a candidate is to get elected. I keep reading how FDR was short on specifics, but when I poke around, I see that he actually made lots of campaign promises and broke most of them. He said he'd reduce spending by 25%, get government out of the private sector and repeal prohibition. Actually, he did keep the last promise -- I guess everybody needed a drink by 1933.

Voters ultimately face the same decision in every election. We usually end up applying our personal voodoo logic and conclude which person will figure out how to do the right thing for the times. Sometimes, though, the last guy was just so f'n bad we have no choice to get rid of the bums. Considering the current administration, I'm surprised so many people want them back.

I would have voted for McCain if it were Kerry running against him in 2000, but that was a different McCain and I loved Al Gore and still do.

I like Obama's vision. He fuses energy independence with jobs and supports re-engineering manufacturing to reflect that. To me, it says "let's start making great products right here again." He wants to try driving the cash to the middle rather than the top and I think the time is right to do that for awhile. He values labor and labor unions. He's smart and thoughtful. He's a student and a teacher. People I respect like him. He's a decent guy with a good marriage, a smart and self-realized wife and two great kids. He appears willing and able to compromise. So, you know, that's enough for me.

8:30 AK time, and I just got finished watching a recap of yesterdays rallies. Is it my imagination, or is McCain's audience not only getting angrier, but also more, ah, vanilla?

Ping----------thats easy.

No one since Tip Oneal, Just saying this reminds me of that flea head C.M. at msnbc

Just like Palin i refuse to answer a direct question, but they don't, and won't talk to each other------team mentality is to powerful in todays mindset.

Palin on the issues:

* Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy. (Oct 2008)
* Abortion should be states' issue, not federal mandate. (Oct 2008)
* Rejected sympathy for Down's Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
* Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
* Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
* Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
* Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
* Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
* Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
* If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what's next. (Oct 2006)
* Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
* Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
* Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)

http://www.ontheissues.org/sarah_Palin.htm

Rosie

It's not your imagination. If this election season goes much longer, the McCain rally attendants are all going to start showing up in sheets.

Doesn't make McCain a racist, but it is certainly the crowd he and Palin are attracting.

"She is a negligent parent.
How do you raise your kids?"

Are you including all women who work when they have infants? Or just one who disagrees with you politically.

The left can't decide whether to trash Palin for dragging the kid around with her, or for leaving him at home. Make up your mind.

I've already had one (former) friend -- liberal male -- send me a photoshopped picture of the 17 year old daughter, boobs hanging out of a wedding dress, big stomach...calling her a slut, titling it Like Mother Like Daughter.

Stop the madness.

Anselm,

Were you with them when you did that?

How did you treat them during their infancy?

You know what is so great about being Black, gay, and Republican? It drives Democrats bonkers, straight up the wall crazy. They can not figure it out, they look at you as if I had a third eye posted right in the middle of my forehead. And to compound the matter even further, when asked how long have I been this way, I inform them that I have been Black since birth, gay since my late teenage years, and Republican since I started making my own way in this world. Before that I was Black, unknown, and Democrat

Anslem. My way or the highway, sure. But what are you supposed to do when compromise on one side becomes waffling on the other?

Patsi

Are you finished with your book? is you sister more or less like you? must have been some good times and good arguments, I have 4 sisters, and 4 brothers, wouldn't change anything.

""(10-09) 19:10 PDT -- The top brass of Wachovia Corp., which lost billions betting on risky mortgages and neared the brink of bankruptcy last week, could walk away with tens of millions of dollars if Wells Fargo & Co. completes its acquisition of the Charlotte, N.C. bank.""

Doesn't appear as if there are any public funds obligated in this one as there would have been with Citi. And, so far as I can tell, Citi is one of the worst when it comes to consumer gouging interest rates.

Good for management on this one--they got a much better deal for shareholders and customers alike.

Anselm the Pious,

So if you, like Palin, have taught your children right from wrong...

When is your teenage daughter's due date?

And how many lies do they tell hourly?

"Stop the madness."

Patsi, your outrage is palpable. Good. It should be.

I don't recall ever seeing such a bunch of judgmental, mean spirited toadies in my life as I've seen emerge this election cycle.

"Happy, talky, talkin'...you've got to have a dream..."

My dream does not include McCain/Palin, but Gordo, lord love ya fer yer dawgone tenacious spirit.

Maybe the Wachovia execs can buy peanut butter....

"Down To Dry Toast

In a sign of grim economic times, the Curry Senior Center in S.F. is eliminating peanut butter for the toast served for breakfast every day. The center is one of many Bay Area charities that are facing tighter budgets. "
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/10/BUBB13DNHL.DTL&type=business

At a time when the need is the greates, charities are facing a hard time.

Anselm wrote:

"You know what is so great about being Black, gay, and Republican? It drives Democrats bonkers, straight up the wall crazy. They can not figure it out, they look at you as if I had a third eye posted right in the middle of my forehead. And to compound the matter even further, when asked how long have I been this way, I inform them that I have been Black since birth, gay since my late teenage years, and Republican since I started making my own way in this world. Before that I was Black, unknown, and Democrat"

And now you can get a pat on the head from those who would spit on you, curse you, denigrate you, and restrict your rights, all because you're "special". Self loathing must have been another characteristic that entered your life at some point. A classic case of the chicken voting for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

9/11,

I mistook you for a serious person. Sorry to have replied to your post.

"And a person who preaches one thing and does the opposite is called what?"

Anselm, the answer to your question is "Obama"

*winks at MD*

Exactly!

Five grand is all they need for a year's worth of peanut butter
some ex bank exec could surely put that much in.

Craig,

You have criticized Obama for failing to reveal his specific plans for governing yet you haven't leveled the same criticism to McCain, nor have you called him out for failing to disclose how to get Bin Laden unless we elect him President. Why the cynicism? Is it a means to increased right wing traffic?

I don't recall ever seeing such a bunch of judgmental, mean spirited toadies in my life as I've seen on this blog since the primaries began.

William F. Buckley's Son Endorses Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/william-f-buckleys-son-en_n_133570.html

too funny!

Craig remember chiding Obama for coming out against McCain's hail mary pass mortgage plan? Apparently he has a lot of company!

Congressional Republicans Have No Opinion On McCain Mortgage Plan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/gop-finance-committee-mem_n_133554.html

Mr. Democrat,

Such anger, apparently your life as a Black person was quite different than mine. One can overcome or be overcomed. I choose the former. What I did was to discover not only who had my best interest at heart, but what ideology made more sense to me. Was I going to become dependent on others for handouts, or was I going to become reliant upon myself? I choose the latter, as have many Blacks. By the way, no one has ever spit on me, cursed me because of my race, and the rest of these things you said, if they did they did it behind my back and out of hearing range. But it matters little today, as I am the one who pays my own way, I am not beholding to any government hold me back, make me a slave entitlement programs. That is the problem with such programs, a number of us became so dependent upon these free programs we relinquished our independence and became addicted to them, they more they gave the more some of us wanted, and when one program dried up there was another one to take it's place. It isn't the good intentions one should be wary of, it is the unforeseen consequences that can accompany such acts. All weak people bend easily.

another truth - spend a little time at any non-partisan political blog and you'll see the same polarization, unless of course it's one of those that is so slanted one way or the other that even the folks who just like to pick at their opponents don't bother.

Champ,

Speaking for myself. In short, I have done a lot of digging, reading, arguing, and debating about Obama for over 2 years. I liked his 2004 address but he dropped off my radar after that. I have answered most of my questions to my satisfaction. I don't begrudge anyone else doing the same. I do, however, whole heartedly disagree with many who would slander, besmirch or otherwise pervert Obama's character in their quest for answers. We have courts to seek answers for the most problematic and disputed truth/facts.
.
Now I've turned more of my attention to John McCain and Sarah Palin. McCain is not so much a mystery to me but Palin is and frankly, it's worrisome given his health, etc..

Ultimately, I always remind everyone that it's their vote. Just do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDXu61ZXgWE&feature=related

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360116724221681.html

Mike,

To give credit to Obama for creation of a policy that “fuses energy independence with jobs and supports re-engineering manufacturing to reflect that. To me, it says "let's start making great products right here again." Is an overstatement.

Obama is once again late to the show but correct – in his naive way – which follows McCain again.

But lets give credit to many who understand that the FUNDAMENTALS of our economic system are the solution, that we must stop government interference with process allowing social / political policy to overrule sound fiscal policy which is why we are here.

Read the link, If you want more government controls and trust the current state of the Dem party and complacent behavior of Bush then vote for Obama.

If you want a return to the FUNDAMENTALS of the American Economy that has been abandon by our current Government – built on Capitalism and Free Enterprise – vote for McCain

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360116724221681.html

Anselm,

In the Viduu confessional prayer of Yom Kippur, one of the venal weaknesses we Jews acknowledge to ourselves is a stiff-neckedness.

Ask any tree in a storm: bending is a virtue.

But you go ahead and be righteously perfect.

Godliness IS next to schleroticism, I guess.

Brain
You are getting there to the truth of Sarah Palin, Most of Middle America will agree with Most everything she has supported as they find the WHOLE TRUTH.

Thank you

Frank Keating has been criticizing Obama for his drug use.

Ah, Frankie. How little you remember of yourself in YOUR own drug-sale-induced righteousness!

You see, Frankie Doodle Dandy liked to use his office to sell... DRUGS.

To help out his friends here, please read the story of Frank Keatings drug (and Dreyfus money) addiction to using his office to "sell" Dilantin.

http://bubbaworld.com/bumblefrank.html

Wrong again Pong, most americans are pro-choice, pro stem cell research. The only group Sarah Palin represents is the snake handling talking in tongues crowd.

More for Sen Obama...

Will he answer questions??

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html

Gordo, I visited Berg's website. His filing looks all legal alnd such, but his false outrage is laughable. Very few courts require any discovery to be conducted pending ruling on a motion to dismiss filed at the outset of a case in response to a complaint.

At least he's dowing something like I suggested way back when and is trying to provide himself a way to get the BC through legal process.

Oh yeah, I forgot, she's popular among the witch doctor set too.

...damn typos...

sue em

" is you sister more or less like you?"

Solar, she's much nicer than I am. We got about half finished on the book. Then she had to leave early because she was afraid her money would be gone unless she got home and checked on it. Older people are seriously worried about the stock market.

Oh, Solar, don't judge 9/11 solely on his thoughts on parenting. He''s usually a peach. But (like so many) he has allowed the dark side into his mind. I won't name any names.

I used to drag my kids all over while I was giving feminist speeches. I sometimes had to take my 1 year old son along when I was meeting with marketing people about advertising in my feminist magazine. BAD MOMMY! So shoot me. I'll put both my grown children up against anybody's.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157363

Ping,

I can understand someone who is adamantly pro life being opposed to stem cell research, but I would really like to hear how she feels about "in vitro fertilization".

I'm assuming that no conservative woman including those with fertility problems would ever agree to this procedure or at least are out there actively recruiting the 400,000 right wing wombs to house them. Otherwise they just end up getting freezer burn followed by a swift toss in the garbage instead of suffering the fate of being used for research.

Brain,,,
Open Your Mind – and admit your spin

Sarah PAILIN SUPPORTS STEM CELL RESEARCH - You have to stop the lies and Obamination of the truth

She is strong support for life, and will not criminalize abortion - It is a slimy attempt and another Obamination of the truth to try and position Sarah Palin as an extreme right winger.
Tolerant people will respect that she is honest and consistent in her beliefs. And she does answer the questions that disclose principle and values. And in fact most all with open minds accept she is not a threat to their opinion and position.

You are blinded by your justified hate of the current situation created and allowed by Bush – you gotta let that go when it impacts your ability to have good judgment and open mind – if that is what you want – or stay closed – either way your choice and I respect either

Damn, DOW hanging around below 8000. 43% off a year ago.

Whatever you say pong, you're defending a losing cause, it's cool buddy, we all understand where you're coming from.

Jamie,
Good question and I would think you are on track and would be consistent with life is at conception.

Sarah Palin by her actions is constant and open – and I see supports the individual in all cases.

don't worry rez, the markets will stabilize after the election, till then it's going to be a bit of a roller coaster, to say the least!

Here is some info on the dot com bubble burst compared to the 29 crash.

At it's lowest point, the Dow lost 89% of it's value and did not regain to it's highest point until almost 30 years later.

http://www.lowrisk.com/nasdaq-1929.htm

Interesting article:

Meet Sarah Palin’s radical right-wing pals

Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin’s political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

With a nick-nack paddlewhack, Pingpong...

Here are your heroine's poltical mentors being interviewed about their relationships with her and how she has supported their efforts to separate Alaska from the US Constitution.

One is the founder of the Alaska Independence Party.

The other is a John Birch Society member named Black Helicopter Steve.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

God bless ya, Ping.

Either you're a fool or a Bircher.

Which one?

Dow 6000
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/07/historical-bottom-for-a-bear-market-about-dow-6000/

Hey, rez.

The links are sizzling at the internet diner, today.

rosiethecat,

"My way or the highway, sure. But what are you supposed to do when compromise on one side becomes waffling on the other?"

The problem with Washington can be found on opposite ends of Pennsylvania Ave. One can fight vigorously for their beliefs without all the name calling, finger pointing that goes on. I really would like to believe that Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neal, could at the end of the day sit down and hold civil conversation with each other, and not blame the other party for the country's woes, but I don't see that sort of relationship returning. Whatever happen to open debate, negotiations, compromising for the good of the country? When civility in the government breaks downs, we the public become ill served by the very ones we put in office. It is and has been for some time that Republicans see Democrats as the enemy, and vise versa, forgetting the fact that we are all Americans first. Having said that there does exist a small element that would love nothing better to see the crash of the Capitalistic system the US has been based on. These individuals are the true enemies of America.

I'm hungry too. :-)

Hello,

I am looking for those that will step and defend Dodds, Franks, and even Obama on the articles I posted!

With facts not Obamination spin and defensive redirect.

I await..... again

Links again...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360116724221681.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html

Champ,

In my estimation, you put forth your best effort yet, today. It really spurred me to re-consider some opinions. Please pardon the length of my reply.

We have only two choices that have any possibility of winning. For me, one of them spent 7 11/12 years as a sycophant (what we call a 'maverick' today) for the worst administration, by far, that this nation has ever experienced. The other candidate did something else with his time. For most other Americans, it is no longer a question of getting to know everything about either Obama or mccain. We feel that we know enough about all the candidates already, to make an informed choice. The great majority of Americans have seen enough evidence to feel confident that the nation, and we as individuals, will be well served by the candidates we have already chosen. We now know more about these two candidates than earlier American citizens knew about the candidates they voted for in the period 1787 - 2000.

I worked on many campaigns for both parties since 1964, and know that it is a common occurrence to discover that a campaign co-worker one has known for years has a surprising, even shocking, past. People with shady pasts are often drawn to politics, sometimes hoping to find redemption, sometimes to find opportunities for looting or wrecking. Often such people are kept on board because they provide skills that the campaign needs desperately. Every day, Americans work in cubicles next to such people knowingly, and are not over-worried.

Commie leaders such as Mitch Pearlstein and Whitacre Chambers, and America-haters Eldridge Cleaver, David Horowitz, and Sen Norm Coleman became republicans, to name only a few. They didn't change their radicalism; they only changed their party labels. Yet, I don't notice republicans ranting that Senator Coleman should be killed. Admittedly, we don't know that Coleman used to bomb copshops, but then, maybe that hole in our knowledge exists only because Julie and savage haven't looked deeply into the Senator's shadowy years at Hofstra and the U of Iowa. Coleman's failure to oversee our contracts in Iraq as a Committee Chair could be construed as sabotaging our efforts. Incompetence or willful ? GORDO and Hannity don't tell us. The radical Coleman's closeness to bush, cheney, and mccain is not a worry to the republican propaganda mills. To quote Bob Dole, "Where is the outrage ?" Comparing republican insoucience about Coleman, Pearlstein, Cleaver, and Horowitz to their fussbudgeting about Ayers demonstrates that the latter is merely a case of cynics spreading campaign manure.

I was long a member of a congregation whose preacher left a good deal to be desired, but I stayed for the congregation, for my family, and for tradition, because I loved, and still love, those people and the congregation's history. The preacher never got in the way of our talking to God, because mere preachers don't possess that sort of power. Few Americans outside of the mega church cults consider their relationship with the preacher to be more important than their conversation with God and their fellowship with the other congregants. Therefore, most Americans can sympathize with Obama about the harassment over his church membership.

Please consider that the majority of Americans are so used to hearing republicans lie to them about deregulation, Katerina, Iraq Fiasco II, the Pro-Life Agenda, Whitewater, Global Warming, France, the budget, the Afghanistan Fiasco, NCLBehind, chalabi, family values, torture, Darfur, DoJ Attorneys, FISA, north Korea, the Gay Marriage Ban, Vince Foster, the republican concentration camps, Senator Daschle, Senator Kennedy, Senator Clinton, and Senator Obama that we no longer believe anything that republicans say. We assume that when their lips move, or their fingers text, that they are lying. We arrived at our conclusion by empirical demonstration. Therefore, from the only two possible choices, most Americans have picked Obama.

Patsi

It wasn't me that had that conversation with 9/11. I actually like him quite a bit.

9/11 Hello from an admirer

Therefore, from the only two possible choices, most Americans have picked Obama.

It ain't over till its over, and November 4th is 24 days away, a lot can happen in-between now and then.

".....audit of the world banking system to see who, what and why this is really going on...."

patsi, wonder which terrorist group out there will be the first to take credit for doing financial damage to the wicked infidels, nasty capitalists, liberal devils or whatever hated persuasion they espouse to destroy.
there probably are even those out there analogizing this with jesus and the money changers at the temple.

what crazies will come out their holes doing happy dances? ....just look at the schadenfreuders even among us here on this blog....

Sarah Palin and Todd Palin's anti american ties with racist and anti semites the Alaska Independent Party.

A Separatist party formed by Joe Vogler.

"Joe Vogler attracted such anti-American governments as Iran to sponsor his anti-American ideas, and now with the national attention Sarah Palin has gained, she has continued to encourage the plans of Joe Vogler by supporting the Alaskan Independence Party's ideas of secession from the United States.

How can this woman even be considered American when her own husband has belonged to a radical group that doesn't believe Alaska should be a part of this nation, and in fact, should be its own country??

This doesn't sit well with any American who hears about it, and it's no wonder why this topic has been kept off the radar of mainstream media. But the Palin's cannot deny their involvement with the group, nor can they change the fact Todd Palin was a member."

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/2008/10/palin-is-anti-america-like-joe-vogler.html

9/11 and I might be a fool?

Interesting read...... A very big stretch to your conclusion but lets say at its extreme level and we all agree that these questions should be asked and examined then go for it.
And Palin did respond and acknowledge the actual relationships – this case is closed.

But to keep up the Obamination of the facts here, if the attempt to extreme portrial is correct – at least the attempt for STATES RIGHTS was done in a legal, reasonable and correct manner. Nothing wrong with this attempt – in Florida we have had two occasions of a similar action.

Now state with me and be constant with this fool.

Why will Barack Obama not answer the questions about his relationship and strong ties of greater extent to extreme group that are using TERROR and ILLEGAL methods to drive Socialistic changes - ?

This is who you support - and you call me a fool?

With all the talk about abortion, in vitro, and stem cells, look what qualified for the ballot in Colorado. How many people is it likely to drive to the polls and could it affect the Presidential numbers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/12/AR2008071201615.html

seriously though, who benefits, profits becomes more powerful from this mess? does "follow the money" apply here? any one have any ideas?

I only thought this was only done in Chicago.

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/

Jamie even the church isn't supporting that bill in CO.

I agree totally that we should not put anymore of the Tax Payers money into any kind of rescue or bail out of the financial market.

Let Capitalism and the Free Market do it own repairs.

In the meantime a depression greater then the one following the crash of 1929 will just seem like a small thing to deal with since we want the Free Market to correct itself and Government to stay the hell out of it.

Relax and be happy, after all how long can it last?

We will know in five or ten years if we survive this crash.

"And Palin did respond and acknowledge the actual relationships "

PP, Obama has done the same with Ayers. You don't like his answer?

Anselm's words in quotes:

"Such anger, apparently your life as a Black person was quite different than mine."

Very different. But you mistake "anger" for pity. I pity you.

"One can overcome or be overcomed. I choose the former. What I did was to discover not only who had my best interest at heart, but what ideology made more sense to me. Was I going to become dependent on others for handouts, or was I going to become reliant upon myself? I choose the latter, as have many Blacks."

So your political philosophy is incredibly simplistic and not sophisticated. You think if you're a Democrat, you simply want a hand out. Unlike the Republicans, who weigh tax policy toward the wealthy, giving them a government hand out?

"By the way, no one has ever spit on me, cursed me because of my race, and the rest of these things you said, if they did they did it behind my back and out of hearing range."

So it's okay, as long as you didn't hear it or feel it. Well, that's an insight into your brain.

"But it matters little today, as I am the one who pays my own way, I am not beholding to any government hold me back, make me a slave entitlement programs. That is the problem with such programs, a number of us became so dependent upon these free programs we relinquished our independence and became addicted to them, they more they gave the more some of us wanted, and when one program dried up there was another one to take it's place."

Entitlement programs. So I'm assuming you didn't take out a student loan. You won't be partaking in Social Security. Or Medicare. Perhaps you've marched against farm subsidies that pay farmer to NOT grow crops? And of course, you've railed against corporations that pay no taxes via Republican policies.

"It isn't the good intentions one should be wary of, it is the unforeseen consequences that can accompany such acts. All weak people bend easily."

Ah, so let me get this right. I take a poor kid from North Carolina. I recognize that he has potential and give him a scholarship to Yale, thereby using an affirmative action, then that person is now weak and bends easily in life?

You...make...no...sense...

PP,
btw When/where are Palin's responses? Got a link to video or transcript?

Craig, very good analysis. And I LOVE "Happy Days are Here Again"... I assume that is the original version?

FDR was brilliant !!

well, one of the questions in my 2:23 and 2:28 wanderings about who takes credit for gettin us into this financial mess is answered:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/125048/Al-Qaeda-US-financial-crisis-equals-Muslim-victory

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157428

Ping, I don't defend the practice but Congress Critters certainly aren't the only ones. Have you ever been to a Rotary Club meeting or a mixer at the local Chamber of Commerce?

If your good buddy Joe owns a car dealership, he's going to cut you a great deal on a new car. Naturally when Joe comes in for a loan from his buddy the banker, favorable terms are expected not to mention that inside track on a recent foreclosure. Nothing illegal here folks, move along now. We're just being nice to people we know are good for the money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH1kkFFUVeg&feature=related

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157225

Fry Daddy??? Why did you change your nick?

Oh me to me to, I want to be popular --- lets do it this way,,

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 10, 2008 6:52 AM

That describes Ronald Reagan to a T...

Why will Barack Obama not answer the questions about his relationship and strong ties of greater extent to extreme group that are using TERROR and ILLEGAL methods to drive Socialistic changes - ?

This is who you support - and you call me a fool?
Posted by: Ping Pong | October 10, 2008 2:25 PM

SOCIALISTS ... oh no! Time to start building the survivalist bunkers again. Really Ping, you love to use these labels to scare yourself and others about any sort of economic and social change. "SOCIALIST' is not a bad word !!!

It Ain’t Over

“Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election.“
“….he’s still hearing from moderates and non-partisan voters - what he calls “the big middle” — who are still shopping for a candidate. …. It still can break one way or the other”

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/?scp=2&sq=opinionator&st=cse

AIG is biggest decliner on DJIA

AIG continues to face a liquidity crunch greater than was anticipated a month ago when the U.S. government first bailed out the company.

Great!. . . What bailout?

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/10/10/ap5537390.html

Poor Tucker Bounds, he's really having a tough time!

Rez, I think the share price decline is probably recognition that after the public cashes in, there'll be nothing left for the common shareholders.

After dumping more than $100B into this turkey, it seems unlikely that we're not in for the duration.

Ping,

I hear you, but I don't agree. I'm surprised you would pick my take on Obama's vision to criticize. And I don't want to nitpick, but I was responding to Craig's saying a candidate's best move is to be light on the specifics. I'm saying candidates are heavy on them but don't stick to the plan. FDR was a case in point. Is it really useful to zero in on the details when the odds are at least even that they'll be tossed aside? I don't mean that cynically, either. Circumstances change, the budget shrinks, the players get ousted and others replace them. Presidential levers are complicated in the best of circumstances.

The thing I said about how we end up picking the person we think is most likely to do the right thing was the real point of my post. I'm not that interested in how Obama arrived at his take on what needs to be done. If McCain really had the idea first to tie together the creation of energy-efficient products with our need for jobs, I don't remember seeing that anywhere. The concept isn't exactly rocket science, anyway. Several weeks ago, Obama talked in Michigan about supporting automakers in retooling for new green vehicles. It just seemed sensible to me. I am rebuilding a house after a fire. I wanted to install solar panels until I saw the cost. Even after utility rebates, $30k for enough panels to pay just for my electricity, or 12+ years to return the investment. Maybe it's fantasy, but it seems to me the idea for a moonshot-type commitment to these energy priorities is exciting, do-able and an investment that will pay off. New jobs, energy independence and environmental improvements. If we had done it back when Carter -- a Democrat -- warned us in the '70s, those panels would be five or six thousand dollars by now and a vibrant energy industry would exist.

But it was with this sentence that you really lose me: "But lets give credit to many who understand that the FUNDAMENTALS of our economic system are the solution, that we must stop government interference with process allowing social / political policy to overrule sound fiscal policy which is why we are here." I guess you could somehow justify labeling our economic problems as ones of social/political policy, but the path would be so labyrinthine to lose any who tried to follow you.

I did read the link, which was to the WSJ story telling Chris Dodd to take the stand under oath about his sweetheart loan. Yeah, that bothers me, but I'm not sure it informs me in any way about the FUNDAMENTALS of our economic solution. Yes, I do want government to keep industry honest and operating in the best interests of people as they pursue profits. Not control, but oversight. You call it interference, I call it enforcing laws created by our representatives. What are the FUNDAMENTALS of the American Economy? What constitutes sound fiscal policy? Doesn't it depend on the circumstances? Spending less than you bring in is probably a good start, but that can't happen now, at least for awhile. I seem to remember the last time that happened was when a Democrat held the reins. The economy is in the proverbial sh*tter because guys like your buddy John let the foxes in the henhouse. It's time to throw the bums out and try something else.

Fundamentally, McCain is unsound.

Republican Congressman Criticizes Palin Rallies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/republican-congressman-cr_n_133623.html

Seems like the racist charge is coming almost as frequently from the GOP side of the street as the Dem side. There are a lot of repugs who getting really uncomfortable about what they are seeing at the Palin ~ McCain rallies.

GOP Former Gov: "He Is Not The McCain I Endorsed"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/gop-former-gov-he-is-not_n_133594.html

Any, be it slim gains the GOP has made with minority groups over the past decade are being wiped out in one general election. When you add to that the shifting demographics of the American population the GOP may never recover from this election. (from my mouth to God's ear!)

Mr. Democrat,

As to my post and what I actually wrote. You really didn't read my post for what it said, you read it for what you wanted it to say, you clearly misconstrued the content of my words. Had you asked for a clarification of what I meant, I would have been more than happy to provide one, but you decided to take a different route. So in conclusion there is no sense in responding to your misinterpretations as it is a meaningless venture that will only lead in circles. By the way Mr. Democrat, I didn't ask you pity, I am doing just fine but thanks all the same.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157319

9/11 How are you -- I caught you post this am and found yself shaking my head. The Palin baby seems drugged. I know that children with Down Syndrome do tend to sleep a lot, but he seems to sleep even in crowded convention halls full of yelling and screaming people. As an early childhood specialist, I've watched the body language of Mom and baby and she seems unattached to this baby, only holding him for a few seconds before he gets passed off to one of the other kids. This can happen in large families with older children. The problem is older children soon lose interest in being primary caregivers. Attachment to a loving, attentive adult is the most important factor in a child's social-emotional development. It is the foundation of all the other emotional skills and also has a profound effect on cognitive development. A child's IQ can increase or decrease based on the care given at the youngest ages. How attached is the Palin baby? It's hard to say based on how the mom interacts with baby in public, but I can only hope that the interaction is more attentive and loving when out of camera range.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157353

Anselm -- How many women do you know who have had abortions and not thought long and hard about that decision? What do you think -- that women just like to go out and get knocked up so we can sit around and have abortion parties or something?

What does one serve at an abortion party?

Need to catch up on today's winding thread... 'spose Craig is on his way to Milton by now, and I'm thinking it would be nice if during his talk he can recruit some newcomers for this little on-line community of his...

"This can happen in large families with older children. "

I'm the youngest of five, and one of my aunts said that between the aunts and my older sisters, my feet didn't touch ground until I was three.

I grew up being tickled that my family thought I was a fabulous baby -- didn't realize it was because my mom was shoving me away. Come on folks....let's not pull a Bill Frist and diagnose from the television.

Don't we have an economy to worry about?

"What do you think -- that women just like to go out and get knocked up so we can sit around and have abortion parties or something? "

ROFL -- agree with you on that one, Alicia. The women I know who have had abortions made difficult decisions.

oh, cmon neither one of these candidates represents change of any kind. the establishment status quo wins no matter what

Posted by: Craig Crawford

I'd love to hear you say this to a group of African American kids.

anyone know if CSPAN will film Craig for their weekend book shows?

McCain Defends His Rabid Crowds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.html

Wow, they really have lost it. Very scary!

so much to read.. so little time.

Since the 60s, Rolling Stone has been a credible, sometimes policy-leading authority. Readers may agree or disagree with RS's editorial stance, but for more than 30 years, RS has been a fine and relevant news gathering and reporting magazine. (and lord how I miss National Lampoon -- but the Right wouldn't get it anyway).

For years, the IMF, WTO and the World Bank have been smacked around by organization after organization re: lending policies, debt forgiveness, "top 10% politics" -- you name it. If one did any serious reading over the past 10 years, one isn't surprised that all hell is breaking loose now. In the words of CSNY -- it's been a longgg longggg time..comin.

About those Rep rallies. They are appalling. And scary. And telling. The biggest problem in the US? It's not the economy. It's not healthcare. It's not abortion. It's not gay marriage. It's hatred.

Sorry for the double post of the link above. My error.

It's not the chanting of USA, it's all that foot stomping that makes nervous. Cindi has a look on her face like she's ready to bolt off the stage in case things get ugly.

The Power of One
Liberal media transforms a single bigot at a Sarah Palin rally into a racist mob.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1009jl.html

that old canard, blame the media.

*yawn*

It's 5'oclock and I have just viewed your video, Craig. Can't say it much better than you just did. And, I pretty much said the same thing yesterday in this blog. Also, take note that the examples you gave -- FDR and Reagan -- turned out to be pretty effective and popular presidents. We'll see.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157460

It worries me in addition to attachment issues with the baby due to her workload, Sarah Palin could develop postpartum depression. The condition is not always immediate after birth, but can occur within a year or so following, especially in stressful conditions. What could be more stressful than the whirlwind of a presidential campaign? At some point, it could hit her like a ton of bricks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_depression

The media always does such a great job.

Al Gore was a serial exaggerator

No Child Left Behind

John Kerry effete elite coward

Nancy Pelosi bows down to our enemies while flying to Syria in her own too big plane

We have to invade I-rack

We have to bail out the banks now or there will be a meltdown

Oh Ivy a depressed Sarah Palin would be a very welcome relief to what we are seeing from her now.

It isn't just "one."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

third item down. and that's only a microcosm. ignorami!

when the media is subsidized by corporate business, you will never get truth-seeking, investigative journalism. it doesn't make money.

in all fairness, the internet has really made the media irrelevant. at least, for those in the know.

i suspect these folks still follow the traditional media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

Hey Jamie,

I ran across a line, I think by D Brooks, that caught me and was in reference the Strauss and Howe work and the Demo primary. I guess I'll have to do a little more reading.

"The grandparents and children united against the parents."

Hey it's Friday, hell with the markets.
BBL

tylenol,

Here's the permanent link to what you were referring to:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/john-amato/what-hate-right-wing-talk-radio-blogger

merci :)

Divalicias

One thing about being gay, women tend to be more open to you. So as to your question, I have come to know a number of women who have had abortions. Now I didn't say they didn't think about it, I am sure they did, but none of these women had health related, or life related issues with their pregnancy. None were raped or became pregnant as a result of incest. They choose to have the abortion because it was a inconvenience at the time, their word not mine. Most knew who the father was but never informed they were pregnant. Some didn't know, as it was one of those one nighters. All abortions occurred during the first trimester. As I said earlier, and you some how over looked it, "that is their decisions to make and to live with, not mine."
You should know of these women about 70% regret having the abortion

As you must know my post was in reply to 9/11, who couldn't understand how Palin could have a baby knowing the child had Downs Syndrome? To me her actions are very understandable, she values life even if the child was born with complications. If she had aborted the child Palin would have been ridiculed up one side and down the other and tagged hypocrite by the pro-abortion groups.

Renee,

David Brooks used it in a column earlier this year. He was discussing the phenominon of the "change generation" in a governing cycle when you move from rule by one older generation to rule by another. He cites the move to the GI generation with the Kennedy election.

The Clintons were the move from the GIs to the Boomers. Now we have the move from the Boomers to the 13ers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/opinion/29brooks.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

There is a cute line in the song "The Other Generation" that applies:

When our out of hand sons
Are bringing up our grandsons
I hope our grandsons
Give their father's hell!!!

Newsweek poll has Obama ahead by 11

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163337

Shorter version - the money given to Paulson is the same as cash on a pallet in Iraq. All the people who got on the Bush Paulson rescue boat suckers!

Consensus Builds To Use European Methods to Save American Banks
By: Ian Welsh Friday October 10, 2008 2:15 pm
social-contract.thumbnail.jpgOr to put it another way, to buy equity in banks instead of buying their trash. (Or, more likely, in addition to.) Paulson has been talking about it as have most economists and various pundits. As David Sirota notes, buying stock doesn't just makes a bank more solvent it also makes a bank more able to lend. The question, then, will be under what terms Paulson buys the stock. There are two ways he can buy stock, under the bailout legislation. In the first he is required to get stock or bonds if he buys anything from a company. In that case he must take preferred, nonvoting shares which are convertible to de bt or, if they aren't a public company, bonds.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/consensus-builds-to-use-european-methods-to-save-american-banks/

Dodgers lost game 1 last night. They are losing badly in game 2 right now. Should the Dodgers and their fans panic if they go down 0-2 in the series? Now is the time for calm, steady leadership. Will Joe Torre be Obama for the Dodgers or John McCain?

Tippicanoe and Tyler too.

Ma, Ma, where's my paw? Gone to the white house, haw haw haw.

" It's hatred."

I completely agree, Tylenol. And it's as ugly on the left as on the right. I've never seen anything quite like it.

If a woman has an abortion, she can't get one of those new VW's with german engineering! I mean, according to that commercial women are having babies just to get that new VW.

Postpartum depression??????? What next?

Let's just eliminate all women from doing a damn thing. It's clear their hormones can't be trusted.

Irony of the week:

Oil plunges to 80$ US - but no one can afford the prices.

Looks like McCain is attempting to dial back the hate speech, too bad he looked like he was a tooth pulled while he was doing it.

Regarding Palin's child with Downs Syndrome: My sister's two oldest children have Downs Syndrome. When they were toddlers, they were easy to care for. My sister could sit them in front of the tv and put a video on and they would sit right there for a long time. This would allow my sister to get her housework done. My sister's 2 younger adopted daughters are normal. They were a lot harder to care for. My sister couldn't just sit them in front of the tv and do her housework. She had to constantly keep an eye on them so they didn't get into things. As for post partum depression, I had a friend who had that when her son was born 7 years ago. It was pretty scary for awhile, but she made it through okay. It just took her some time.

I think everyone needs to stop watching the irrational twists and turns of the stop market and trying to attach reason to it.

Look at the bail out. People said the markets dropped cause it didn't pass at first. Then they say it rose on anticipation it would be passed. Then it dropped because supposedly Wall St. didn't like it.

Artificial wealth is made on the market - and it is taken away.

I also think the panick and volatility is only made worse by the 24/7 knews cycle that constantly informs us "the sky is falling !!"

Well, this is what the Democratic party has come to, no doubt the boys at Kos are yucking it up, as well as several here:

http://www.topcosales.us/product_detail.asp?PID=0231-7&LID=2&CatID=New

McCain says you don't have to be "scared" of Obama as President on the McCain trail,

Big score for Obama. McCain was beat back from using his "guilt by association" tactics.

McCain looked weak in doing it - and yet another change in strategy only feeds into the "erratic" narrative.

And this "erratic" label is looking the real thing as opposed to a mere campaign talking point.

The "Erratic Maverick" - is that whose "hand should be on the tiller" during a crisis?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157515

Patsi: Lol...but wouldn't that be "throwing the baby out with the bath water?"

Patsi:

Get real. Nobody on the "left" is calling anyone a terrorist or urging the death of a presidential candidate. This "hate goes both ways" stuff is really not true when you look at the specifics and the degree to which the republican party is openly encouraging angry fascism.

Seriously warren, didn't he look just dreadful saying that, head down, staring at the floor. Like a child caught going through his mom's purse and being forced to apologize. As you said, big score for Obama, there can be no doubt who is controlling the race.

From this:

Veteran reporter Dan Balz has opined that "McCain's tactics are over the line, with no restraint in sight, and threaten to provoke reactions among partisans on both sides that will continue to escalate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.html

To this:

"[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," McCain said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-walks-it-back-obam_n_133773.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157510

They came back with three runs. Still behind at 8 to 5, but still have five innings to pull it out

Exactly PoU, the tone at the events of both candidates couldn't be more different. Certainly Obama/Biden et al are taking shots about Palin~McCain. But when people leave an Obama event they leaving feeling energized and hopeful, not a drooling, snarling mob.

I only wish Nov. 4th was this coming Tuesday.

There is still time. I have been against over confidence since the Primary - I am not about to start now. Even though I certainly admit I like how things are going right now.

What do people think about Canada's health care systerm? Read the response chosen as the best:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/746525

In 1965 i was playing guitar in a joint out on the old savannah highway......it was notorious for a murder having been committed there.....In fact while i was in school one day a year or so before i played there, the murderer came into the auditorium of my school as part of one of those convicts set the kids straight programs.........well, anyway, a bit later we're playing there and Douglas came home from viet nam....yep....'65..........Douglas was our bass player's brother, and first night home he came to see us play.
Douglas aint retarded, but to talk to him you'd think he might be......he just had an absolutely pure lack of ambition......he spent 4 or 5 years in the 7th grade because he knew when he quit school he'd have to go to work and work was something which just didnt suit Douglas at all...............the only time he was out of south carolina was to go to viet nam...............his family cooked and lived by a wood stove until the seventies....this was COUNTRY out where I was........
well.....douglas came to see us play......and that was the night that the fight which broke out between bruce humbert and dennis jones spread to the whole club.....it was as bad a knock down drag out free for all as I've ever seen in a joint and I played joints from 1958 until just the other day..........douglas had just ordered a pizza when the fight started.....well, it started oncet and then got broken up to where dennis stood across the table from bruce sitting down and said, "OK, just let me finish my draft and I'll go...." He chugged his draft and then in a fairly smooth motion threw the draft glass straight into bruce's face.......bruce crawled the table and caught dennis before he could make the door and then the entire joint was one huge fight.......during the fight ( I was watching from the stage, playing Mustang Sally...."when a fight starts, turn on the dance floor floodlight and play a fast song")..... douglas' pizza was delivered to him at the bar.......
Here's the point of the story.......I watched douglas calmly walk from the bar thru a raging, full scale, chairs and glasses flying...... I mean a total rhubarb of epic proportions, as mean and nasty a bar fight as I've seen in 50 years of joints............to the stage, of which he sat down on the edge and began to eat his pizza.......He was invisible.....the fight ebbed and flowed around him as he walked, chairs flew over his head.....he walked from that bar to the stage exactly like Little Big Man's grandfather walked thru the massacre at wounded knee.............I think it was wounded knee........

Warren - thanks for the link. I'm glad McCain chose to be sane for once with his supporters. I think it's telling that they booed him.

Flatus,

I owe you an apology.

1. I did not mean to call you "a Flatus". It was past 3 am, I was tired and I was dithering between writing "a man like Flatus," or "a person like Flatus." In the dither I hit the submit button before I figured out which I wanted.

2. To make things MUCH WORSE, I have mistaken you for FryDaddy.

Please accept my apology for attributing fabulizing to you. It is a terrible error.

Sturge, after telling a story like that, you need to sit down and play us a song!

"McCain was subsequently booed. "

Wow that says a lot about the crowds of people who are turning up at his events. I bet that rattled him, I even felt a tinge of sympathy for him when I read that. Don't worry, it soon passed, LOL.

this was us.....except we were a 4 piece "beatles" band

BS, PoU -- I have seen some of the ugliest, most abusive, and sexually threatening statements that I have ever seen posted by "progressives." I used to think that was strictly the right's domain. Not any longer.

oops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKmrQfxRHQ

"douglas had just ordered a pizza when the fight started"

Sounds like the first line of a novel, sturge. Put a pen to it!

Corey... my comment on our healthcare system was anecdotal. I hobbled into emergency on Monday morning, by 10:30 that evening I was in surgery with one of the best colo-rectal specialists in the country, and after amazing aftercare, I am now home recuping.

One of the problems IS access, however, that is not unique to a naitonalized healthcare system. That has more to do with this being a HUGE country with medical practitioners preferring to work in large cities as opposed to rural areas. However, because of universal healthcare (and it's not free, it's taxed... I guess it depends on what you want your taxes to pay for!), I didn't have to have $50000 in the bank to have surgery.

Surge- great tale, tell us another!

Patsi,

You see what you want to see. Your candidate lost, so you're forever bitter and blame sexism for her failure.

hahahahaaaa..thanks strurge.. reminds me of my glory days.. and a line from The Last Waltz:

"It was a horrible dive... only one customer and a one-armed waitress... and a fight broke out."

In 61 years of living, it's one of the damnedest things I've ever seen.......I suppose those who've been in actual combat have seen the like, but for me I didnt even believe my eyes what I'd seen until I saw the movie "Little Big Man" and they had that scene of the old chief walking towards the creek.........

Regardless of Patsi's preferences, the comment above questioning Palin due to the possibility of an onset of postpartum depression was indeed sexist.

well, sexist yes, but as postpartum depression only affects females.............

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157532

He's let an ugly genie out of its bottle, and the genie ain't going back...

No one knows what would have happened if Hillary won the nomination.

But one thing is for sure - the McCain camp knew exactly what kind of campaign they were going to run against her.

Obama has obviously perplexed them.

No tylenol, it is sexist because it belittles women, questioning their stability and rationality.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157547

Well, I had it during a time it "wasn't discussed," and silence didn't do me or my baby any good...or my husband for that matter, so it doesn't only affect women. I'd rather have it talked about openly.

If folks in 'nice' rural Minnesota roar for the head of Obama, and boo mccain for saying that Obama is decent, then the right wingers of Texas and Alabama must be ready to crucify them both.

Bread and circuses. gingrich, rove, and co. invented this sort of bomb-throwing, all-out-war brand of politicking, and the vultures are finally coming home to roost. He who lives by the sword, and all that.

Patsi.....i notice that that line does sound mighty like Wm Price Fox.....lol

I've got me little daughter helping me write a song about the old gambler 30 minutes before kenny rogers sat down next to him.........

I have found women to be very stable with respect to their professional lives.

And when it comes to their personal lives - I never question their stability or rationality . . . I just accept that they have none ; )

Who the hell give a rat's ass whether or not she's a good mother, she's a friggin whack job who doesn't have the intellectual cred to be VP. If informed the nation was under attack her reply would probably be "oh good, end times".

How does wondering about postpartum depression belittle women? It's a chemical disorder.

One can say what they will about Palin, there is a lot to criticize , but to suggest that perhaps she will come down with postpartum depression 6 months after the baby was born is simply sexist.

warren......just like men? lol

read PALM BEACH BABYLON

I just heard one of the pundits talk about how the new move by the Feds to buy direct equity stakes in banks is due to the fact that after throwing trillions of dollars at them with the bail out and other means - there is still a lockdown on credit. He wrote it off to the fact that the bankers must know that they mortgage crisis is so bad - they aren't willing to let credit flow yet.

Hmmm. Sounds like speculation.

Another theory - the banks are moving - because they government continues to throw money at them. What is their incentive to acknowledge when stability has been reached.

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Hey Solar Thanks for the Shout..
Yes I sure did say you should post more and I'm sure enjoying you!! I think your a fine person...I will get back in the swing of things at TM..I sometimes feel like a fish out of water here because I don't have enthusiasm for Obama,Isn't my vote enough?? I hate seeing good people like Chloe piled on by the mob because they don't agree with her,she's a fine person also!! I understand how hard it is for some that are now Independent to give Obama there vote.For many of us are dreams were shattered by what the Democratic party has become and in my case it lead to an act of defiance by changing to Independent status. For many Independents that means voting Republican.I forced myself to take personality out of it and just look at the issues on paper.OBAMA is my choice, especially here in Florida. The thought of one more day of Republican rule is intolerable....

Whatever - who the fuck knows.

At least it seems like the govt will get in at a good time if they act fast.

It certainly seems like a buyers market!!

Also, has any money from the bail out even been spent yet?

warren.......I dont know, but none of that money has arrived HERE yet........

Sturg

The only difference is that men are all over the place at their jobs too!

I think the govt should just send everyone a $20,000 check and we can all party like its 1999!!

New York election mixup: ‘Osama’ on ballot

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27122742/

Krugman is right, the fed is going to have to the heavy lifting for a while. They will have to buy equity in some of the troubled banks (hey look we're turning into France. Freedom Fries anyone?) and back up interbank credit for the short term.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

How about a taste of PA…..this one is worse then the last one

Lenny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-myjV64xfs

McCain Campaign Now Attacks Michelle Obama Over Ayers

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_campaign_goes_after_mic.php

PHOENIX—Sen. John McCain’s wife and father-in-law continued a lucrative business partnership with disgraced financier Charles H. Keating Jr. for 11 years after the GOP presidential nominee said he ended his close friendship with Keating in March 1987.

Cindy McCain’s business partnership with Keating in a real-estate development between 1986 and 1998 netted her a tidy profit, in addition to years of significant tax benefits. Her father, who died in 2000, earned similar returns.

http://washingtonindependent.com/11806/cindy

Oppps!

Woohoo!! Ask and ye shall receive!!

Just got an email saying that there is a bank draft cheque of $1,800,000 waiting for me in London. I just need to contact someone called Mr Ikechu Ike.

Sweet!! Drinks are on me.

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Tylenol, It's good that you are on the mend.

I wonder how many doctors from the US have migrated to Canada, just so they can live in a small town and practice medicine without the insanity we put our doctors through.

.

UB:

That video is great! The only thing worse than a terrorist is a lawyer!! Hah!! Got to love the people from PA (and the cheesesteaks from Pat's : )

If you see a guy playing music.......and he sounds exactly the same "live" as he does coming off the album on your tocadisco.......it's the real mccoy.....paul simon, leonard cohen, james taylor, eva cassidy, etc etc..........

Tony

If I tell you a gay joke,a happy joke not a gay joke, ok make it a gay joke but a happy one, will you come out,oops and post?

hahahaha

and you thought YOU had a bad day!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081009/koddities/oddity_leaping_dolphin

dylan, everyly bros, johnny cash, leon russel, roy orbison, dick feller, steve goodman, john prine......the list goes on and on.....it's why they got recording contracts back when they were hard to get.

dick feller, if you must know, was the feller who wrote "Snoopy and the Red Baron"

and "Abraham, Martin and John"

Don't forget Bonnie. Have you recorded Sturge

?

tylenol.......ha......dolphin much bigger and more bad day inducing without a doubt but still it reminds me of the time I went for mullet with a cast net during a severe lightning storm over the creek........bohicket creek, south of charleston if ya wanner do a google map sighting........and we were catching mullet 20 or so to a cast when one jumped up and cold cocked me right in the damn eye........

Tylenol, I was more or less responding to what Nanny wrote in reference to you. I watched a program about Canada that was aired here in Michigan right after GWB got re-elected. Basically, people had threatened to move to Canada because GWB got re-elected. This program was sort of a town hall style question and answer program. They discussed what it would take for a person from the U.S. to move to Canada and become a citizen. They also discussed Canada's healthcare. They made some joke about it being free, but it was free because you had to wait for so long you'd probably die before you even saw a doctor. That show just dispelled a lot of myths. Like anything else, there are pros and cons. It basically urged people to think about what moving to Canada would actually involve.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157576

She was caught by a flipper flapper

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HA HA Solar
You so funny,I'm out and proud!!
Give us the joke... The Gay Gay Gay joke...I'm waiting...Were waiting...I think today a laugh is needed,especially if you have a 401K.....

old sea......no recordings.....no record..............no "new CD"......lol......I cant go see any group play now without hearing a dozen times from the stage about their NEW CD.........

It's official, David Schuster wears the ugliest ties on TV.

Bonnie Raitt and John Prine

Angel From Montgomery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9RvdtvLeE

What about a Myspace page or a website, Sturge??? LOL!

Tony

That was it,,,wadda you want blood?, I did tell ET a story about a friend, and worker of a few thread back,,,glad to see you smile, and don't worry about that little ole 201k it can only grow now, see ya.

David Who???I don't know him...What does he do on TV?? HA Oh its all coming back to me,he accuses people of pimping there kids...Ugly ties,what an improvement...

Solar
Give me more........Thanks for the laughs!

Great tune Jamie, thanks for the post!

Too bad, would love to hear you play.

thats what she/he said

Sturge, here is a good read. From a musician's blog. Read the entry entitled: Romanticism: Carving Out a Hole in Hollywood:

http://www.vanhunt.com/main.php?fr=blog

oops- Sturge, too bad, would love to hear you play.

Now , that's what I'm talking about.....

Tony be right back, have to get another worm--hic with a bottle???hic

I keep threatening, for my daughter, to make a reel to reel analog recording, and still may yet......but it can never recapture the crap I had when I was a jung-ister.....so I put it off.........but oh, back then.....from caroline to nyc to saskatchewan......we could play the possum up one tree and down the other and we had the stuff that dreams are made of .......but nowadays........? Old pipples rippling smooth waters.........

Anyone taken a gander at what's been going on with McCain's favorabilty ratings lately. Man what a drop!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/favorable.html

You know I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at Obama's headquarters when McCain said about Obama "he's a family man, a decent man". Man I would have been laughing my ass off.

*Gets out my Sturge to English dictionary*

As soon as you get around to it let us know. Hell, if you can sing half as good as you write, you must be pretty damn good. It all comes from the same place.

Troopergate committee: Palin committed unlawful abuse of power!

http://www.supplylinedirect.com/assets/items/un-951wc_4g14.jpg

Anyone want to guess what's going to dominate the news cycle up till the next debate?

Life is sweet man, she's toast!

http://www.draper.ut.us/vertical/Sites/%7B9B0E25D7-5E8F-45BF-AFAB-8658E160BEA4%7D/uploads/%7BCBDB2C26-141E-432C-8D62-043B5EA3987E%7D.JPG

So lets see, on hand we have the S&L scandal, and on the other hand we have troopergate. Help me out here folks, I don't seem to recall Senator Obama ever being brought up on any type of ethics charge. Now could you explain to me how Palin ~ McCain is the 'reformer ticket"? Oldseahag, feel free to chine whenever you have an answer.

damn straight Corey, I've never seen a candidate so pathetically cornered as McCain is right now. It don't get no sweeter than this. Sarah Palin represents everything that is vile in American politics and seeing her exposed is only proper and right!

From TD Blog:
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Obama Greeted at Kenyan Airport by Odinga, Stumps for Him.

"Obama Goes to Kenya on Official US Senate Business, Taxpayer Funded. Obama Campaigns for Odinga, Speaks to Kenyan Crowds as if HE is Running for President of Kenya. Odinga Promises to Institute Sharia Law and protect anti-American Terrorists.Odinga Later Leads Widespread Ethnic Cleansing When He Loses.

We ask again: Why did Obama actively support a candidate for Kenyan President when that person had a stated agenda that was contrary to US interests?"

(see link for video)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/obama-and-odinga-new-video/

A friend of mine wrote the other day that the elections reminded her of her kids preschool classes.

Damn Juno machine politics. LOL.

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Sea,

God plays jokes. He gave me my mother's hips and my father's voice. End result a great love and feeling for music and an inability to reproduce it.

Over the years I've hung out with lots of musicians. One evening I was sort of humming under my breath to a favorite piece, and someone asked me for a song. Another laughed and said, "Jamie just LOOKS like she can sing". :-)

Well that's not a bad way to look at all. You could look like me with neither the ability nor the looks of a singer!

Gordo,

Don't you find it even a little strange that all of the sound of Obama speaking is eliminated and a music track of people dancing substituted?

Could the words have been just a greeting and thank you for the welcome?

Jamie, I haven't seen you around when I've popped in and been wanting to ask you-, what do you make of the economic crisis and the best way to right it?

Abuse of power? Same committee says Palin did nothing illegal.

Obamadinga World Order: “Proof Obama backed ruthless, foreign thug”

"Sen. Barack Obama designated a personal aide as his direct contact for the 2007 Kenyan presidential campaign of Raila Odinga, who later was appointed prime minister after his election loss was followed by widespread, deadly violence that destroyed or damaged 800 Christian churches, …

Odinga called for protests over alleged voter fraud after losing the December 2007 general election. The resulting protest violence left an estimated 1,000 members of the dominant Kikuyu tribe in Kenya dead and an estimated 500,000 displaced from their homes.

The links between Obama and Odinga were documented by copies of two e-mails obtained by Corsi during his meetings in Kenya with various government officials and others.

The e-mails, apparently sent by Obama himself, referenced the senator’s aide, Mark Lippert.

The e-mails were provided to WND by an insider in Kenya who fled Odinga’s Orange Democratic political party and requested anonymity because of the danger of retaliation.”

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/obamadinga-world-order-proof-obama-backed-ruthless-foreign-thug/

Today's 538 numbers

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

I loint sommat from old douglas.......when, as I said earlier, that the riots came to memphis, for me they came in a whiz bang when the enlisted men's club at millington naval base where the coast guard sent me to aviation electronics technician school erupted in a total paroxysm (sp) of racial violence.......it was like "The Warriors" that movie made somewhat loosely based on Xenophon's ANABASIS........I had to get my way back to my barracks thru teeming hordes of roving bands of jaspers, some black and some white, bent upon violence of any kind to any people of any sort........of whom I was one........I took douglas out and put him into my psyche.....and I was invisible.......all the way back to my barracks bed, all by myself while everyone around me was in some sort of killing frenzy.......and I do mean everyone......but sturgeone slept soundly in his own bed, thanks to douglas..........

Apparently the committee has a bit of a problem with the First Dude acting as his wife's bully boy. tsk, tsk, tsk.

Jamie ----------------------

I noticed that. Why are the Odinga videos surfacing now? This could be only the begining -- I don't know. I've read for months that the Repubs plan to use the Obama/Odinga connection in the final weeks of the campaign.

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Sea,

If you look up line we were discussing this a bit this afternoon, and I was talking about the book "Generations". These swings are cyclical and this is one of those major global corrections that needs to take place. It hasn't completely bottomed out, but it looks close. It usually takes three to five years for things to fully stabilize and then another five to ten years to return to completely normality.

The way to get out of it is usually to infuse money at the bottom. Banks around the world are being nationalized in whole or in part and today Paulson announced that the US would start buying percentages in solid but financially cash strapped banks.

I'm presuming Obama will be President, and he is going to have a lot of hard work. It takes cross party alliances and creating programs to keep people as stable as possible in jobs to avoid a full out depression. At least he will be coming in at the beginning and not three years into the mess the way Roosevelt did.

Jamie, thanks, . What do you think of a mortgage buy out program?

From Wikipedia on Herbet Hoover and The Great Depression:

"Hoover's stance on the economy was based largely on volunteerism. From before his entry to the presidency, he was a proponent of the concept that public-private cooperation was the way to achieve high long-term growth. Hoover feared that too much intervention or coercion by the government would destroy individuality and self-reliance, which he considered to be important American values."

You know it really is a good thing McCain has a rich wife, I don't think the GOP could handle having another of their former nominees having to resort to selling hardon pills to pay the rent.

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Not a particularly good idea. Most of these mortgages have been sliced and diced into securities. There is no way to put them back together and even if you could you would still be buying for high dollar and rewriting down in such a way as to be a loss. It would be rewarding the guys who screwed up.

It is better to infuse money into job creation as that will infuse cash back into the banking system along with this buying of stock in the banks. That way there is return on the investment in the form of taxes paid by the employed and sell back of stock once the banks are stable at a later date.

Just better return on the 700 Billion Congress just added on to the national debt which is going to get a lot worse before it even thinks of getting a bit better.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157631

Corey, He was right in one aspect. One of the reasons so much infrstructure was built in the 1930s is that people were unwilling to "go on the dole". The WPA and other work programs were created so that they could "earn" a living. It produced a lot of seemingly "frivolous" things such as plays, books, photographs, etc. in addition to all those roads and bridges.

Roosevelt was walking a very thin tight rope between Fascism and Communism. It is amazing that things stayed as calm as they did during a time of severe stress.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-abused-power-but-didnt-break-law-in-trooper-case/#comments

Here's my crazy theory of the night:

One more gimmick for old man Mac: a new VP by Monday. It's the only way to jump start his dead campaign.

PoU

Interesting idea, but if he ticks off the crazies, who would be left to vote for him?

Good Night All. Have a great one.

Jamie: I don't know who would be left. But his campaign looks to be a sinking ship, and a last minute VP replacement would be HUGE news. All the negative press coverage, including his failures with the economy, would be swallowed by the move.

Now the Right is always saying that is outrage that there is not more discussion of this "guilt by association" angle. Even though Rush and Hannity have been pushing it nonstop since it became apparent Obama would be the nominee.

Is there any example from past elections where a President was campaigned against on the basis of his associations - instead of his own actions?

"How does wondering about postpartum depression belittle women? It's a chemical disorder. "

Well, then I guess women's chemicals make them inadequate....or mental cases.

I was just going to say that McCain would never switch.

Doing so violates Rule #1 of politics that the GOP seems to respect more than Democrats. Never admit you're wrong.

But then again I just had a thought. A switch would at least change the news cycle...

If you throw a Hail Mary each time you have the ball - is it still a Hail Mary?

G.M. and Chrysler Explore Merger

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/business/11auto.html?hp

Bush opposes gay-marriage ruling

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14480.html

"Troopergate committee: Palin committed unlawful abuse of power!"

You bet she did...because a lot of people don't see slapping around their wives and tasering young boys a problem. Hell, how DARE she fire the enabler for this abusive guy? She wouldn't take threats on her and her sister's lives....she MUST be a bitch.

Jamie, thanks , would love to pick your brain more on the economy, but you've gone to bed and my fcollege reshman daughter just surprised us and walked in the door! Besides, I still have 12 pounds of fudge to make and finish a batch of turtles. Ugh.

Jamie:

"It is amazing that things stayed as calm as they did during a time of severe stress."

The did not have the MSM creating a frenzy.

And I think it was probably much crazier at the time than it seems in hindsight.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned - seeing the stock market drop does not fill me with near the same level of dread as when I see bombs dropping on a country on CNN.

New York election mixup: ‘Osama’ on ballot

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27122742/

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | October 10, 2008 7:30 PM

That is a pretty amazing mistake !! WOW.. I can, however, understand how a mistake can be made especially with overworked elections staffs.

An ex-"boyfriend" of mine was interning at some agency in Olympia, doing some promotional announcements and the like. He had to make a flyer to announce a "public meeting". Anyway, everything was printed and the flyers were sent out to the various stakeholders, and ... lo and BEHOLD... the flyer invited people to a "pubic meeting". Of course this is one of those errors that wouldn't be caught on spell check because "public" and "public" are both legitimate words. I was intrigued with the notion of attending a "public" meeting put on by a state agency ;-)

McCain must also show Obama is actually factually more of the same -
FIscal responsibility is not Obama

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 10, 2008 6:54 AM

When the hell has there been "fiscal responsibility" in American capitalism? Executives make 400% more pay than the workers, and then bitch that workers cost too much.

Ping, you are a capitalist ideologue, which is fine, but how can you defend the indefensible?

I meant to say 400 times, not 400%

Interesting piece from CSM

Cooperation? Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi (l.) and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a news conference Monday in Berlin.
MIGUEL VILLAGRAN/AP
On crisis, Europe to US: 'I told you so'
Europeans blame economic mess on US 'anything goes' capitalism as Iceland faces a full meltdown.

By Jeffrey White | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the October 10, 2008 edition

BERLIN - The economic image of the United States as a high-rolling tycoon at a Vegas casino, willing to gamble and reap rewards, has always stood in stark contrast to that of the European bean counter.

Now here in Europe, long a bastion of distrust toward unfettered capitalism, there's a question running underneath the financial crisis: Is the era of "anything goes" free markets over?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1010/p07s03-woeu.html

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