Even in Bad Times, Happy Talk Wins

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Produced by CQ's Andrew Satter

Video Trail Mix explores the political expediency of Barack Obama's happy talk.

Craig to speak and sign books:
TONIGHT (Oct. 10) at 7:00 PM EST
Milton Theater, 110 Union Street
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  1. Great video Craig!

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 12:08 AM

  2. Great video Craig. Sugar 's quicker!

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 12:08 AM

  3. I watched the SNL show tonight. They opened with a skit mocking this week's debate. Bill Murray stood up and talked about the Chicago Cubs getting swept by the Los Angeles Dodgers. He wanted to know what both candidates would do as president to make sure this didn't happen again. Obama said, "I would encourage all Cubs fans to root for other teams." McCain said, "The Cubs wil never win another pennant, let alone another World Series. My opponent won't tell you that, but I will!" Good video, Craig!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 12:26 AM

  4. "If Sen. John McCain had associated with fascists, with neo-Nazis, with bombers like Eric Robert Rudolph and racists like David Duke, such relationships would be an absolute disqualifier. The New York Times and Washington Post and Los Angeles Times and MSNBC would absolutely skewer him, claiming that he didn't have America and Americans at heart. Yet, with Barack Obama and his Christmas card list of radicals, there is nary a word until the opposing candidate himself brings it up and the media outlets have no choice.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the man standing in our midst, the one asking for your trust and begging for your vote, is not who he says he is. By concealing the nature of his ideological idiosyncrasies, Barack Obama has perpetrated a fraud against the American voting public, and it is about time that his own chickens come home to roost."

    http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/on-william-ayers-and-barack-obama.html

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 12:28 AM

  5. Craig I fully agree with this thread, but probably for different reasons than you have. First, I don't think it would be wise for Obama to offer anything too specific right now regarding the economy. There are three months before he takes the oath of office and who knows what could happen between now and then. Second, part of the job of the president is too keep the moral of the nation as high as possible when times get tough. Time and time again as this crisis has unfolded Obama has demonstrated to us that he is the candidate who is best suited to the difficult road ahead of us.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 12:56 AM

  6. Well if best suited is silence then Obama is golden.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:03 AM

  7. That's not what I said, and you know it.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:13 AM

  8. "I don't think it would be wise for Obama to offer anything too specific right now regarding the economy"

    sounds like silence to me

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:15 AM

  9. if Obama can strike a pose and win the election with his unbottoned collar, that is fine. i look forward to finding out after the election how the heck he plans to govern -- because voters are getting no clues in this campaign

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:23 AM

  10. No, silence means saying nothing, Obama has been pretty clear about the direction he feels we need to be going to repair the economy. He's also repeatedly has demonstrated how his style of leadership would be different from McCain's during a crisis. One candidate is reactive in time of crisis, the other is contemplative, And really Craig isn't that all we really know about a president before he takes office, his core political values, and his style of leadership. As you and I both know all candidates once taking office have to moderate their campaign stands in order to get things done.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:24 AM

  11. I like the idea of Warren Buffet in Paulson's job, for one thing...if Buffet wants the job.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:26 AM

  12. Oh, Craig...I read a long time ago Cheney was at least considering moving from One Observatory Plaza ( I think that's the addy) to a 'more secure location'. Does Cheney still reside at the Naval Observatory? ( SLATE explained that no veep has ever lived at Blair House...HST was prez when he lived there and the WH was remodeled.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:29 AM

  13. Oh I think it's pretty clear how he's going to govern, I think we know pretty much how either will govern. I don't think it's hard to imagine an Obama administration taking on the feel of the Kennedy years, lots of idealistic Ivy League types, hashing through the issues with Obama be deciding voice.

    McCain will at all times go for the grand play and damn the consequences.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:30 AM

  14. Craig has McCain does anything since the economy tanked that makes you feel he is the better choice for what the country is going through? In all candor I can't think of anything he's done that makes me feel he would be a better steward of the economy, of course I'm biased in this, but if I'm missing something please show me where I'm wrong.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 1:33 AM

  15. "The media continues to misstate the nature of their business relationship. Bill Ayers was the key organizer and driving force in establishing the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He was intimately involved in creating and sustaining its operations. Barack Obama was selected–WITH AYERS ASSENT–to be the Chairman of the Board of Directors. Obama now wants people to believe that he, as Chairman of the Board, had no significant interaction with the de facto head of the CAC, Bill Ayers, during his four years heading up the board. This defies logic and common sense.

    This is not guilt by association. This is guilt because of continued participation. And Barack continues to lie about the nature of the relationship."

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/when-it-comes-to-ayers-it-is-participation-that-matters/

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 1:41 AM

  16. Craig-
    wouldn't naming his medium-length list for cabinet posts help to allay any doubts about Obama's intention to surround himself with a good braintrust and increase his support? What are reasons against this?

    Posted by: jannie | October 10, 2008 2:51 AM

  17. oh, cmon neither one of these candidates represents change of any kind. the establishment status quo wins no matter what

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 2:53 AM

  18. McCain is the king of deregulation, yes, THAT ONE has crusaded to get government out of regulatory authoritative positions...and look what it's gotten us. McCain has fought earmarks for 26 years, but he hires the queen of the earmarks to be his sidekick. So that neutralizes that.
    Still, I am dismayed that the media and the public have given McCain a pass on Iraq. I have screamed about the rathole-stuffing spending that has a terrible effect on our economy.
    I don't give a crap what his grand schemes are for Iraq...the USA cannot afford this nonsense any longer.
    McCain says he'll cut money from "waste areas" of Medicare.
    Hellluva thing to campaign on, warmonger!
    McCain cracked up 4 to seven airplanes , depending on the source, and the crashes were unnecessary for the deciding-factor part; most were the result of McCain's arrogance and smart-ass attitude. A real maverick. Now he wants to continue to squander US lives in Iraq with NO TIMETABLE for withdrawal.
    Well..."It's the economy, stupid.."and how can we ignore the cash drain into a worthless occupation of Iraq.
    At least Obama has a timetable.
    I have seen no redemption for Bush and the neocons for this Iraq war. No oil-money flow, no peace, no democracy, just a broken country with thousands of US dead and over a MILLION dead Iraqi innocent civilians.
    I have read that an African American poll must have a 4% lead to even up the "Bradley Factor". Obama has that, but it will tighten up as we draw towards the 4th of November.
    Get those yard signs up, if your regional offices have procured the signs. OBAMA / Biden 08

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 3:06 AM

  19. Oh, I disagree Craig. An Obama victory is change. See, white men have 43 and 0 in presidential elections. An Obama victory changes that. Having a pro-choice president means that the next court appointment will not take away a woman's right to choose. So that's change. An Obama administration means that wealth will be distributed fairly versus disproportionately for the rich. The era of cowboy diplomacy will be over. There's much to change.

    Posted by: Mr. Democrat | October 10, 2008 3:14 AM

  20. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157208

    True...I supported Dennis Kucinich until he was squeezed off the debate podium.

    I truly believe Kucinich and Gravel were real change candidates, but never considered as more than laughing stock, UFO and all.

    Obama does not represent change in key areas, I will just mention one, Israel-US relations. Obama has pledged all-out support for Israel, and Obama has been itching to bomb Iran for five years, so there is no change. The US is in Iraq, and apparently Obama favors maintaining that damnable giant US Embassy in Baghdad, too. We ain't really leaving Iraq at all, Obama or no Obama.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 3:16 AM

  21. Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 12:12 AM :
    "You were a Republican 30 years ago, and yet you choose to identify yourself as an "ex-Republican" as if you had some recent ideological shift, or in protest of recent transgressions by said party. That's not honesty- that's deliberate deception."

    I couldn't sleep. I had the feeling someone was talking behind my back. That "as if you had some recent ideological shift" part of your statement is your interpretation rather than a fact, Champ. I have mentioned several times that my affiliation changed in the '70s, precisely to avoid misleading anyone. My change had everything to do with finally becoming aware that the vile attitudes expressed by my fellow republicans were not isolated cases. They were not bad apples, but most of the barrel.

    Regarding your other point, it is not my job to identify any weaknesses or flaws in any of my arguments. That sort of debate form is what made Walter Mondale a professor instead of a president.

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 3:17 AM

  22. Is he an illegal alien?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 3:24 AM

  23. Calling General Powell


    I know they used you, we all know how you were used. We all know these men and women of low character hid behind your honor, and reputation . But now is the time for you to come to the service of your country one last time. Now is the time for redemption General. Now is the time to speak up for Obama.

    Posted by: Kaiser Sosa | October 10, 2008 3:36 AM

  24. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/us/politics/06elected.html?_r=1&ref=worldspecial&oref=slogin

    This Times story explains basic differences in war plans by Obama & McInsane.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 3:44 AM

  25. Flatus counter-attacked me, saying I embody what he rejects about the Dems left wing. This was in reference to my placing his name among those I believe have guileful posts. Btw, it is an honor to be rejected by Flatus.

    I never wrote about my ownership and use of guns in 'Trailmix', so he couldn't know about that. However, I have frequently written comments in support of fidelity in marriage, and getting married before having kids, which makes me more socially conservative than the mccains and palins. I have frequently ranted against republicanowned Big Porn, and prostitution/human trafficking, making me more morally conservative than palin and mccain. My recent comments about the bailout are obviously more conservative than mccain. My recent admissions that capital punishment is okay in certain cases are hardly leftish. I frequently express my support for my fellow vets (tell the truth about those MIAs Senator mccain ! ), and decry the way republicans always screw up wars and waste soldiers' and airmen's lives. I regularly deplore the encroachment of big government into people's privacy, and often rant about republican fiscal irresponsibility. On top of all that, I obviously don't suffer fools gladly, which makes me pretty illiberal.

    So, what do you call a Flatus who so ignorantly places me in the left wing of the Democratic Party ? Answer : member of the fabulist wing of the republican party.

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 3:59 AM

  26. Go Phillies ! Bounce those trolley dodgers back to Brooklyn !

    Posted by: xrepublican Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 4:00 AM

  27. "oh, cmon neither one of these candidates represents change of any kind. the establishment status quo wins no matter what"

    Absolutely agree, Craig. Status quo.

    Mr. D once again drags up the "choice" issue, as if to distract that Obama featured an ugly, sexist song in his campaign and has done nothing in particular for women. Nor has he shown any real interest in the AA community except to pander for votes.

    I personally think (hope) Obama will be far better than McCain....but that's not saying much.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 5:01 AM

  28. Craig - I agree. We don't know how they're going to do what they say they'll do, and we'd better be prepared for some surprises and disappointments.

    What strikes me about most of the posts is the apparent "need" of each poster to dis-believe or shrug aside any criticism of his/her candidate, and to believe any criticism of his/her candidate. That says to me that minds have already been made up and not because of reports in the media or because of facts. I think most people tend to respond to candidates on a very emotional basis, and there's nothing wrong with that.
    The sad part is that so much anger is slung around and people get so hurt. For me, it's easy. I don't like either one of these jokers and don't care what rumors go around. I know what I believe in and which one is more likely to make choices that I will like.

    I haven't a hope in hell of ever meeting or getting to know these men or their families, so can't claim that one is more honest or trustworthy. It's a dream to think we can know them. Pick the one you think will carry out what you believe in, say so, and leave the others alone.

    SOLAR CRETE - I can't find one of your questions re my earlier post re Mexico and am frustrated cuz I wanted to answer it. It's after 2 am here and I'm tired, so will leave you with this short answer now - No, I am not defending, and never would, defend the colonial drive of the western world in the 18th and 19th centuries. I simply feel that they were existing in the world as it was. I don't think you and I have any disagreements on fair play or decency, or the lack thereof, in the treatment of people by nations. I don't think my longer answer (should you choose to read it)
    will upset you or outrage you at all.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 5:25 AM

  29. "What strikes me about most of the posts is the apparent "need" of each poster to dis-believe or shrug aside any criticism of his/her candidate"

    Yes. That bothers me, as well. It doesn't inspire for our future. Will any and all decisions made in the coming administration be blindly defended and the general good bedamned? We've just lived through eight years of that mentality.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 5:56 AM

  30. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157217
    "...So, what do you call a Flatus who so ignorantly places me in the left wing of the Democratic Party ?" xrepublican October 10 3:59AM

    x,
    (When you put 'a' in front of someones name (moniker) you're most likely objectifying them in order to insult them.)

    I think Flatus may have been referring to the hate you exude toward those who don't agree with you. It's pretty scary to watch sometimes.

    If you are going to tell Independents that they are lying and are actually Republicans, then don't be surprised when Independents assume things about you too.

    It is silly to accuse people (who are merely posting a few thoughts on a blog) of being something they're not. What does anyone gain by lying? We're simply sharing ideas and thoughts here, not running the World.

    It seems delusional to turn people into something they're not, just so you can feel superior to them in some way. (I can't think of any other reason someone would do that). I'd rather take them at their word than to believe others are so devious that they'd lie for no good reason.

    Two people can disagree and both still be right.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 6:21 AM

  31. Obama is winning the Campaign

    Will he ever answer a question?

    He will try to govern based on who he is...

    Who is he? Why does he not answer questions about himself?

    Oh - and Happy Days Craig - good video post!! A

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 6:47 AM

  32. Americans are not only lazy voters, unwilling to look unbiasedly at their elected officials, will only vote for the individuals who is wearing their color jersey, they are for the most part running scared, and they are buying into the hope and change theme of Obama, thinking this young polished, good looking, well spoken individual will somehow deliver them into the land of milk and honey, and he will somehow solve the "world's" crisis. Now that is a lot of faith to bestowed upon someone who has a very slim resume, very few life accomplishes, has never been an executive, never been tested under sever pressure, has been campaigning over half the time he has been in the Senate, and has surrounded himself with a number of questionable characters and organizations.

    Putting all that aside, assume for a moment Obama is elected president and assume the day he takes the oath of office the sun comes out and the DOW jumps 5000 points, and the credit markets miraculously correct themselves. Then ask yourself what do you have? You have as president of the United States, someone who has a very slim resume, very few life accomplishes, has never been an executive, never been tested under sever pressure, has been campaigning over half the time he has been in the Senate, and has surrounded himself with a number of questionable characters and organizations.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 6:51 AM

  33. Brain - I want leadership that reacts and has an answer --- Not one who is niave and not sure - then looks around the room to see what Sally says -- Oh me to me to, I want to be popular --- lets do it this way,,

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 6:52 AM

  34. In talking with my neighbors and those that promote Obama - two weak points,

    Still not sure if he is right choice for th security of our Nation.
    If you remove the Bush Factor and get them half a step in to factual conversation - and get them to measure against McCain - then they sway...

    McCain must also show Obama is actually factually more of the same -
    FIscal responsibility is not Obama

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 6:54 AM

  35. This is an old news story being reported again I guess for those who might have missed it the first time around. But it does reveal a major flaw in the Obama persona.

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 6:59 AM

  36. Craig - Why is it negative campaign to ask factual questions? that the other does not answer and in facts runs away with apparent guilt?

    Why does the Media attack the one asking the question? Why not attack the one that is not answering?

    It is not a negative mud sling attack - it is a question with a negative element that exposes a factual basis of the other candidate - in the case of Ayers and so many other elements of Obama basis

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:00 AM

  37. McCain should say - I am sorry if I have hurt Sen Obama feelings and in no way am is my intention to insult him,
    I would simply like to understand his past relationships with these groups that represent a very different position then what Middle America wants - and I do see Barack changing in his words just words.
    But Again Sen Obama - would you simply address these questions ?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:09 AM

  38. "Two people can disagree and both still be right."

    and/or both be wrong, chloe

    Posted by: patd | October 10, 2008 7:10 AM

  39. "It is not a negative mud sling attack - it is a question with a negative element that exposes a factual basis of the other candidate - in the case of Ayers and so many other elements of Obama basis"

    Nicely put.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 7:15 AM

  40. Good morning everyone! Here's a little tune to get everyone in the right mood for the Friday before a 3 day weekend. Never mind the global melt down -- just stay happy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwIddYGse9g

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:19 AM

  41. U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, report five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. That is illegal aliens, not legal aliens.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/10/09/calling-old-media-five-million-illegals-have-illegal-mortgages-u

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 7:28 AM

  42. "Two people can disagree and both still be right."

    and/or both be wrong, chloe
    Posted by: patd | October 10, 2008 7:10 AM

    Pat, Yes! You are right.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:31 AM

  43. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157222

    Hey Chloe
    I agree with your comment..I lurk most of the time now, cause I don't have an Obama Love Crush soooooooooooooo I must be Republican! HA HA I'm a former lifelong Dem.now an Independent,voting for Obama...What's my Problem...

    Posted by: tonyb39 Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:54 AM

  44. Former SC senator Ernest F. Hollings on Financial crisis:

    http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/oct/09/stop_free_trade_binge_tax_cuts_deregulation/

    "Having been governor, I am frequently asked the difference of being a governor and senator. As governor, if you want to raise revenue you raise taxes. As senator, if you want to raise revenue you cut taxes.

    In Washington, you become smart. You become an economist and learn to stimulate the economy by cutting taxes. And promising not to raise taxes will guarantee your re-election. The Congressional Budget Office made a study of the cause of the increase in deficits the first four years of President George W. Bush: 48 percent was due to tax cuts; 37 percent was due to the cost of wars and national security; and 15 percent due to spending increases. The Bush administration and Congress have put the government on steroids for eight years, increasing the debt (as of Sept. 30) — not revenues — $2.672 trillion.

    Another smart thing you learn is how to low-ball the deficit by subtracting the trust funds. For example, the White House projected a fiscal year 2008 deficit of $425 billion. The actual deficit is $1,074 billion. The President and Congress constantly use Social Security surpluses to report a lower deficit. Section 13-301 of the Budget Act forbids this. But the President and Congress violate the law to appear fiscally responsible. Then they report Social Security is in trouble. Social Security reports a surplus of $2.4 trillion and is not in trouble.

    Now we have the economists' charade of free trade. As Henry Clay, one of John F. Kennedy's "Profiles in Courage," said in 1832: "Free Trade! Free Trade! The call for free trade is as unavailing as the cry of a spoiled child. ... It never existed; it never will exist. ..."

    --opening to Ernest F Hollings' op-ed

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 7:57 AM

  45. "Good morning everyone! Here's a little tune to get everyone in the right mood for the Friday before a 3 day weekend. Never mind the global melt down -- just stay happy! "

    Ha! Good one, Alicia.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:57 AM

  46. Are other individuals like me? When asked to participate in a poll I always give just the opposite reply of my true conviction. Reason being I do not trust the pollsters, their questions, or how they will report the data. And really polls are only a glimpse of reality taken at one precise moment in time, and in 10 minutes later your view may take a 180 degree turn.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 7:57 AM

  47. National Debt Too Big for National Debt Clock to Handle

    http://gothamist.com/2008/10/07/national_debt_too_big_for_national.php

    if it's not one, thing it's another...


    Happy Friday !

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 7:59 AM

  48. Wall Street Really Needs Relief

    http://gothamist.com/2008/10/09/wall_street_needs_relief_in_more_wa.php

    ------------off to work

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 8:02 AM

  49. Then they report Social Security is in trouble. Social Security reports a surplus of $2.4 trillion and is not in trouble.


    That would be true if it wasn't constantly being raided, a practice I might add has been around since the early 50's. Remember the Social Security Lock Box? Sounds goods, but a lock box is only good when it is locked, the government just forgot to lock it.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 8:04 AM

  50. oh man................Leboutlier on Imus blasting Bush out of the freaking water......

    Newsmax.com

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:16 AM

  51. Esquire Magazine in its first endorsement ever of a presidential candidate endorses Obama

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:19 AM

  52. newsmax dot com seems to be from my perusal a republican rag site, as in all the articles seem to rip obama.......but Leboutlier, of newsmax, was just on Imus and ripped bush up one side and down the other.....a laundry list of gop lies, half truths, obfuscations, incompetancies, and rippings of the constitution.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:24 AM

  53. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157237
    Posted by: tonyb39 | October 10, 2008 7:54 AM

    Hi Tony,
    I've wondered why you haven't been around as much. Hope everything is good for you.

    Have a good day!

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 8:31 AM

  54. bridget bardot slams Palin:

    http://newsmax.com/entertainment/bardot_palin_disgrace/2008/10/07/138185.html

    In a final salvo against Palin, the 74-year-old ex-star picked up on Palin's depiction of herself as a pitbull wearing lipstick and said she "implored" her not to compare herself to dogs.


    "I know them well and I can assure you that no pitbull, no dog, nor any other animal for that matter is as dangerous as you are,"
    --Ms Bardot

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:32 AM

  55. sturgeone

    John Leboutlier of Newsmax. com did rip Bush a new one, and rightfully so Bush portrayed himself to be a Conservative, and turn out to be just a big government spender, and someone who like most politicians talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk the walk. Conservatives have never been happy with Bush's actions. Although McCain is not a true Conservative he is closer to that image than Bush. Unless there is a major terrorist attack, Obama is looking like he will win, but that doesn't mean he is the best choice, it means Bush screwed McCain and the Conservative movement. Obama will saddle the US taxpayer with bigger deficits, higher taxes, and more government programs.

    As to Ms. Bardot, why would one anyone care what she has to say? She was a dreadful actress, known for only removing her clothes. I think she did have a compassion heart for animals.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 8:52 AM

  56. http://leboutillier.blogspot.com/


    Yesterday at a McCain-Palin rally in Waukesha, Wisconsin, a conservative voter in the crowd stood and asked Senator McCain this question:

    “Many of us in this crowd are furious...we’re wondering how did we get here...how can a man like Barack Obama be on the verge of being elected President?”

    Here is the answer to that question:


    In 1999 and 2000 the Bush political operation seized control of the Republican Party and bought off the conservative movement. They put up George W. Bush as the new ‘savior’ - their One - the “son of Reagan” they called him - they orchestrated that spectacle of every local politician from all over the country traipsing down to Austin to “beg” Governor Bush to run for President and he was elected as the new conservative hero.

    But his presidency has been anything but conservative. In fact, it has been the most incompetent, dis-honest and un-conservative administration - ever!

    Just look at these few items which, if done by a Democrat, would have brought calls from us on the Right not only to impeach but to imprison for life:

    • Ignored the CIA memo - “Bin Laden Determined to Attack US with Hijacked Jets”

    • Pledged to get Osama Bin Laden “dead or alive” - a pledge still unfulfilled seven years later!

    • Lied, distorted and cherry picked US intelligence to scare the Hell out of a nervous American people after 9/11 to justify a pre-emptive invasion of a country that had not attacked us.

    • And then lied to create a link between Saddam and Bin Laden so as to justify this invasion - when the real reason was a take-over of American foreign policy by neo-cons and payback by G.W. Bush’s because Sadaam had “tried to kill my Dad!” as he told member of Congress when he lobbied them for their vote for the resolution authorizing force.

    • Mis-managed every aspect of the war in Iraq.

    • Drained the US Treasury of $650 Billion on that war.

    • Lied to the Republican US Congress about the true cost of a new entitlement - Prescription Drug Benefit under Medicare - hiding an additional $400 billion in order to secure passage.

    • Consistently ran up staggeringly huge annual deficits.

    • Exerted not one drop of fiscal control over runaway federal spending - under a supposedly conservative Republican Congress!!!

    • Federalized education - and passed No Child Left Behind with Teddy Kennedy - a total flop of a program - and not conservative! We do NOT believe the Federal Government should be running high school education!

    • Showed true ineptitude - and a total lack of compassion - after that Compassionate Conservatism nonsense - in dealing with Hurricane Katrina.

    • Blustering and boasting and bragging at every turn about how we might bomb or attack or invade any country who dared to disagree with us.

    • Destroyed the good opinion of America around the globe. We have gone from the Shining City on a Hill to a despised, bullying regime.

    • Expanded the scope and power of the federal government at every turn. Blew off Congress and tried to turn the Executive into a power unto himself - using ‘signing statements’ to undo legislation.

    • And now this year: one massive bail-out after another - over a trillion dollars - with talk of nationalizing banks and other industries, thus causing the headline today in the Wall Street Journal today asking: “Are We Having Socialism Now?”

    • And a fitting end to these eight years: a total economic meltdown - with the Federal Government seen as more at the cause of it than any other entity.

    So, to my fellow conservative in Waukesha - and everywhere else - you wonder “Why are we here - with a lefty like Barack Obama on the verge of becoming President?” - and the answer is YOU! You helped create and further a total fraud of a President and a total failure of a Presidency - and that has caused the nation to choose- quite reluctantly - the Mirror Opposite of Bush: Barack Obama.

    The voters can’t stand the thought of another four years like the past eight - so they will roll the dice, despite Ayers and Reverend Wright and Acorn, and try something different.

    If the Bush Administration had been competent and honest, Obama would never even exist politically.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:53 AM

  57. I care what Ms Bardot has to say.......she spent her youth making money utilizing her rather ample assets and then ceased making movies and embarked upon a life of service to humanity, thru her love of animals.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 8:55 AM

  58. I care what she has to say......doesnt mean I idolize her or her views......but she is a voice to be reckoned with.
    From wikipedia
    In 1998 she was convicted for making a statement about the growing number of mosques in France[17].

    In a book she wrote in 1999, called "Le Carre de Pluton" (Pluto's Square), she criticizes the procedure used in the ritual slaughter of sheep during the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. For the comments, a French court fined her 30,000 francs in June 2000. [18] [19].

    In a 2001 article named, Open Letter to My Lost France, she said: "...my country, France, my homeland, my land is again invaded by an overpopulation of foreigners, especially Muslims."[17][19]

    In her 2003 book, A Scream in the Silence, she warned of the “Islamicization of France”, and said of Muslim immigration:

    "Over the last twenty years, we have given in to a subterranean, dangerous, and uncontrolled infiltration, which not only resists adjusting to our laws and customs but which will, as the years pass, attempt to impose its own."[20]
    In the book, she goes on and talks about her homosexual friends, and said today's homosexuals, "jiggle their bottoms, put their little fingers in the air and with their little castrato voices moan about what those ghastly heteros put them through". She says French politicians are, "weather vanes who turn left or right as the fancy takes them... Not even French prostitutes are what they used to be". She says modern art has become "shit—literally as well as figuratively."

    In May 2003 the Movement Against Racism and for Friendship between Peoples announced they will sue Bardot. The "Ligue des Droits de l'Homme" (The Human Rights League) announced they were considering similar legal proceedings.[19]

    In her defense, Bardot wrote a letter to a French gay magazine, saying, "Apart from my husband—who maybe will cross over one day as well—I am entirely surrounded by homos. For years, they have been my support, my friends, my adopted children, my confidants."[21]

    On 10 June 2004 Bardot was convicted by a French court of "inciting racial hatred" and fined 5,000 €, the fourth such conviction/fine she has received from French courts. The courts cited passages where Bardot referred to the "Islamisation of France" and the "underground and dangerous infiltration of Islam"[22]. Bardot's book also attacked "the mixing of genes" and compared her beliefs with previous generations who had "given their lives to push out invaders".[23]

    Bardot denied the "racial hatred" charge and apologized in court, saying: "I never knowingly wanted to hurt anybody. It is not in my character.[24] She excused her opposition to interracial marriage stating that she was born in 1934 and such marriage was looked down on then.[25]

    In 2008, she was convicted of inciting racial/religious hatred in relation to a letter she wrote, a copy of which she sent to Nicolas Sarkozy when he was Interior Minister of France. The letter stated her objections to Muslims in France ritually slaughtering sheep by slitting their throats without stunning them first. She also objected to France's rapidly growing Muslim community trying to take over France and impose their culture, values, lifestyles etc. on France and its native people. The trial[26] concluded on 3 June 2008, with a conviction and fine of fifteen thousand Euros, the largest of her fines to date. The prosecutor stated that she was tired of charging Bardot with offences related to racial hatred.[5]

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 9:04 AM

  59. bridget bardot is not the problem here, however......or need she be the focus......the problem is sarah palin and john mccain.......the problem is not with ms palin's gender......it's her agenda.

    and mccain? he should shut up and go home to sit on the damn porch. He's a first rate embarassment to the people of america, like the man he so embarrassingly hugged in that famous photo, george bush.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 9:11 AM

  60. apologies for the excessive posting.......I shall arise and go now........talk amongst yourselves........and I will spend the day talking among mine.........lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 9:15 AM

  61. good posts, Sturge, and some good points you have raised.

    Posted by: dog's eye view | October 10, 2008 9:19 AM

  62. Obama and ACORN, is there a problem?

    "This is a story I’ve been largely ignoring for days now until there was meaningful evidence and background. Well, the time has come that it appears there are too many news stories to ignore."

    http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/09/obama-and-acorn-is-there-a-problem-voter-registration-fraud/

    Posted by: Passages | October 10, 2008 9:24 AM


  63. Craig---Laughing on the outside------but will Obama, or McCain stop this and stop some of the stress that our country is going thru on the inside? What happened to the Iraq oil $, will one of them tell us that we are going to freeze foreign aid that is not absolutely necessary.If they do i will switch from R Paul

    This is from Global Policy Forum
    # US to Fund Pro-American Publicity in Iraqi Media (October 3, 2008)
    The US Department of Defense will pay private contractors in Iraq, such as SOSI and Lincoln Group, US$300 million to produce news stories, entertainment and public service advertisements for the Iraqi media. The US hopes by funding pro-US media that Iraqis will accept a prolonged US presence. (Washington Post)

    Security Council

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:26 AM

  64. sturg..... IMO..... you don't post enough.....

    chloe..... good to see you posting again......

    Alicia..... I LOVE your original moniker......

    I am voting for Obama...... but I am NOT an Obot......

    gotta busy day..... have a nice weekend.....
    it's Indian Summer here in NE.... the Red Sox are in the playoffs...... the foliage this year is spectacular!..... it's a great time to be alive!

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:30 AM

  65. Bethyboo----you are one of the nicest posters here, could not be upset with you,,,,,, but here

    Bethyboo Wrote Oct,9-20085:22 am

    If we stole Mexico, it was from Spain. California was originally land inhabited by Indians, or Native Americans. 'Mexico' was stolen from Indians by the Spanish who treated that vast area as a colony. It was never truly ruled by 'Mexicans' because there were only Spaniards and Indians. Granted we butted in and took over land that had been lived on from ancient times, and they were certainly not Mexicans or Spaniards - but what else is new? We moved in and took over, as people have been doing since before recorded time.

    To say we stole from a country that was basically a colony of just another colonial European power is, to me, a dreamy view of history.

    I'm by no means defending western treatment of Native Americans - god knows it isn't pretty or pleasant.
    But I don't think Spain's treatment of the New World deserves defense. Spain wanted money from the New World, and by god, they took it and left messes behind.

    !st----Mexicans are Indians, and Spanish-----I was born in Mexico and have spanish blood from my mothers side (Gama-a spanish name) My pop is Indian.

    2nd---California was not basically a colony when it was invaded by us, in 1821 Mexico overthrew Spain's colonial rule, It became a SOVEREIGN NATION.

    3rd--That California belonged to Mexico did not deter Pres. Polk---he believed it was Americas Manifest Destiny ( he first tried to buy it several times--when Mexico refused---he used the conflict of Texas as excuse for invading,Texas was also illegal aquired) to one day occupy the Continent from Atlantic to Pacific, this ( in my opinion ) catch phrase gave the people(with the help of the Media) permission for expanionism, and divine sanction.

    This predestination goes on today-----in the Haitian Islands with the help of the British 5-7 years ago we forced a people that lived one of the islands for thousands of years,( I saw pictures----a true paradise) off that island and made it an air force base, right now i can't recall the name, but it's there, thanks

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 9, 2008 11:41 AM
    #

    Gas is $2.74 in West Fort Worth

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:34 AM

  66. "So, to my fellow conservative in Waukesha - and everywhere else - you wonder “Why are we here - with a lefty like Barack Obama on the verge of becoming President?” - and the answer is YOU! You helped create and further a total fraud of a President and a total failure of a Presidency - and that has caused the nation to choose- quite reluctantly - the Mirror Opposite of Bush: Barack Obama."

    Sturge shoots and scores.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:38 AM


  67. Tony where have you been Huh?

    You told me to post more, and i did now you get back in the game so i can stop bare assing myself >

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:41 AM

  68. A certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) birth certificate?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 9:41 AM

  69. Patsi.......that was John LeBoutillier shooting and scoring........I am deficient in properly accrediting my posts to their proper sources.....I'll work on that......but that is LeBoutillier's latest post on his blog site......which he seems to have read verbatim on Imus this morning.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 9:41 AM

  70. Gordo......love ya, pal, but I wouldnt care if obama was a red canadian sasquatch with an illegal visa..........them there republicans gotta go.....now.

    by the way......from the numbers posted yesterday in the charleston post and courier relating to NEW registered voters in SC it seems that while not being noticed in any polls, SC might well be in play for the election. So, I must revise my feeling that McCain is a lock in SC to one by which it seems that SC might be a huge surprise come november.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 9:48 AM

  71. Former McCain Strategist Warns Against "Angry Mob"

    "People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Senator Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Senator McCain," Weaver said. "And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/former-mccain-strategist_n_133523.html

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:50 AM

  72. Constitution?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 9:51 AM

  73. Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html

    Seems like a common theme developing. I wonder how long before his rallies start become violent.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:56 AM

  74. A guy on c-span just said something that's been on my mind ever since this money crisis started: a bunch of housing loans in the US cannot be causing a worldwide crisis. I understand the bundling of debt etc, but this seems to be a simplistic answer.

    The guy on c-span asked for an audit of the world banking system to see who, what and why this is really going on.

    I truly believe that these home loans have been scapegoated to cover up some seriously bad business that's been going on in this financial one-world that we live in.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 9:59 AM

  75. Certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of Obama in the names:
    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :
    BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :
    BARRY OBAMA, a/k/a :
    BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :
    BARRY DUNHAM ?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:00 AM

  76. A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:06 AM

  77. Today's thread on the BackChannel Blog:

    Post Rovian Politics? by Nannymm

    http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:09 AM

  78. Gordo.......NOW you ask Constitution??

    lol..............where you been the last eight years?

    but yes, Constitution.......he's NOT a red canadian sasquatch with an illegal visa.........

    and.....in re anon-paranoid and his worries about obama's safety..........there is a serious vibrating undercurrent of pure hatred in america today.....a proudly unrepentant racist hatred.........which republicans have been successful in tapping into, mostly thru "code words", thinly veiled atwater/rovesque attack ads and insinuations......"welfare queens, reagan's statements in pulaski, willie horton".......harold ford's run in tennessee...............

    I remember a friend of mine coming over after the kennedy assassination and astounding me with his statement that the guy who shot kennedy should get a medal of some sort. I was in ninth grade as was he.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 10:09 AM

  79. A certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of majority?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:12 AM

  80. Craig I think Obama might have seen your thread today, he just said "The only thing we have to fear....." at his jobs rally in Ohio.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:13 AM

  81. NEW YORK In a surprising a letter to the editor published in The New York Times today, the chief prosecutor of the Weather Underground in the 1970s expressed outrage over the linking of Barack Obama to Bill Ayers by the McCain campaign, adding, "Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen."

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003873017

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:18 AM

  82. Certified copies of Obama’s Application and Admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM

  83. From the Esquire endorsement of Obama, worth a repeat:

    "There is no evidence at all that anything will change under a President John McCain, who has already identified Roberts and Alito as his beau ideals of Supreme Court justices. He has made brave noises about torture and the extraconstitutional prerogatives of the executive, but President Bush and his men went on and did what they wanted anyway, and McCain walked away, begging for votes from fundamentalists who hate him, meeping his displeasure in ways that were barely audible. The virus will gestate and spread on his watch, all throughout the federal government. Bushism must be ripped out, root and branch, everywhere it has been established, or else the presidential election of 2008 is a worthless exercise in futility. Barack Obama may not be the man to do it, but John McCain, for all his laudable qualities, clearly is neither willing nor able to do so. "

    --by the Editors of Esquire Magazine.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 10:20 AM

  84. "I remember a friend of mine coming over after the kennedy assassination and astounding me with his statement that the guy who shot kennedy should get a medal of some sort. I was in ninth grade as was he."

    I was stationed at Ft Knox. We heard of the shooting just before we mounted our trucks returning from a week-long bivouac. By the time we go back to garrison, he was dead.

    The reaction, as I recall it, was complete dismay and sorrow that a warrior was felled by an assassin's bullets. Troops, without prompting, donned their dress uniforms and stood retreat in his honor.

    We spent much of the next few days at the NCO club watching events unfold on TV. I don't recall anyone doing any serious drinking--it was just people talking and coming to grips with our loss.

    These, of course, were the days when a soldier's life centered mostly around his unit.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:21 AM

  85. Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama?

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:22 AM


  86. Like a bad call in sports by the ref---will the US overcompensate, we need to take care of our southern boarder ( in a safe way) and stop the human flow from there, and should over all( a freeze on all) until we as a country get back on our feet? my concern is also safety, with less $ and jobs to go around, it's going to get nasty around here? If all is business as usual, I also think that the world power brokers are using the little guy as pawns again.

    US Urged to Share More of Refugee Burden (October 8, 2008)
    The US promises to accept 5,000 more Iraqi refugees, making the US annual target for 2009, 17,000. Humanitarian groups are demanding the US shoulder more of the burden for caring for the reported 4.7 million uprooted Iraqis, which resulted from the US-led invasion. (Inter Press Service)

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:23 AM

  87. I truly believe that these home loans have been scapegoat to cover up some seriously bad business that's been going on in this financial one-world that we live in.

    The one major aspect of this melt down is occurring because the US is in finical danger, and all the world depends on the US. Look back to when the Japanese market went into a tail spin, or Russia, or any other country for that matter. When they have financial crisis the US market isn't affected to any great degree, but this not the case when the US is in danger, and that is simply because the world is dependent upon the US for it's stability and their security.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 10:23 AM

  88. Posted by: Patsi | October 10, 2008 9:59 AM

    You are correct Patsi, more is going on here...

    Question, if either McCain or Obama die (and I truly do not want this to happen), who is the candidate? The VP choice? I am ignorant of this process.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:24 AM

  89. Obama promises mean nothing . silence probably is best.

    Obama promised to vote against FISA.
    Obama promised the bailout was necessary and would help
    people losing their homes.

    Posted by: sock drawer open | October 10, 2008 10:25 AM

  90. I was in ninth grade study hall when a guy ran in and said "Kennedy's been shot" and ran out......I remember at first wondering how on earth my classmate, Henry Kennedy, had managed to have gotten shot.......school was let out......I may have been naive, but up until my friend said that about the medal I could not conceive of anyone's not being absolutely devastated by the fact that our president had been assassinated in the streets of Dallas........in what was then to me "this day and age".

    and Lee Oswald told the truth........he was a patsy.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 10:27 AM

  91. Lee Oswald told the truth........he was a patsy.


    That would be a willing patsy.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 10:30 AM

  92. Bush is talking and the DOW continues to drop like stone.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM

  93. As long as obama promises nothing but to be anyone but bush or mccain......he's got my vote.

    Obama happens to be right now: absolutely the ONLY possible alternative to 4 more republican years to further scrap all the hitherto beautiful idealsand promise of our nation.

    vote Anti-TheoNeoCon in 2008

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 10:35 AM

  94. perhaps, the world economy collapsed when the top took much money and there wasn't any support on the bottom when the money dried up because the top was loaded with greedy pigs (some with lipstick). Too heavy at the top, too fat, too greedy...not the little people at the bottom. I am sick of hearing this as the little people's problem.

    GWB should give back the money he hasn't earned as President. Let the fatcats give back.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:35 AM

  95. A 500 pt swing in the in the DOW from its lows this morning to now, and Monday the markets are closed. DOW will hit @7200 before this fear game subsidizes.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 10:36 AM

  96. MK-ULTRA

    Posted by: GORDO | October 10, 2008 10:38 AM

  97. Too heavy at the top, too fat, too greedy...not the little people at the bottom. I am sick of hearing this as the little people's problem.

    And whose Union Fund would you first start with, Teachers, Autoworkers? The point is I don't recall anyone complaining when their 401k's, IRA, company pension plans were doing so well last October 2007 year when the stock market made its all time high.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 10:42 AM

  98. Social and Economic Polic


    When founding the United Nations in 1945, member states agreed to work together to promote “economic and social advancement of all peoples, poverty and income inequality are on the rise, many people endure terrible working conditions, and the world population faces an alarming environmental crisis. While the UN and its related institutions do much to promote development, other powerful institutions and actors dominate the global economic system. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization wield tremendous power over global social and economic policy. But these actors generally represent the interests of the rich while excluding the voices of the poor. Transnational corporations are also gaining increasing influence, with some of the biggest enjoying larger annual income than many low- and medium-income countries. Meanwhile, most UN member states fail to live up to promises of increased international aid and funding for hunger emergencies.

    Will McCain or Obama do something to help the middle class, when they will be the most influential player of them all, whats that about power corrupts. I can say with some confidence that if R Paul were Pres. he would try to control US, and world greed, he has been talking about it, but yes we have to get the R's out of the white house, if just to slow things down a little bit?

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:53 AM

  99. The low for the DOW today is 7882, it is right now 8333. So far today the DOW has sung 800 points, and it is all based on fear selling. The good news if you can call it that, you won't have to worry about Obama taxing capital gains

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 10:54 AM

  100. Sturg, You are going to talk those with thinking minds and also validate that Barack Obama is continue of the same failed policy.

    Barack is not change from our failed past.

    Well Said - you must keep following your own logic and facts.

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 10:55 AM

  101. To the partisan Democrats (and anyone else who cares):

    The question is not a matter of which candidate or which party is in the best-interest of the United States, and by extension, all of us. The laundry list of Republican failures and transgressions over the last eight years makes espousal or even defense of McCain and his platform a difficult if not futile task, despite of any allegiances to the current administration he may or may not have. Very few here attempt to argue to such end, and those who have and do are honest about it from my perception.

    The sincerity of "PUMA" and its adherents is certainly a valid question to pursue, although considering the format of this forum and the elective anonymity it provides, conclusions drawn to that end are mostly conjecture, at least regarding the motivations of specific posters here, at "Trail Mix". I suppose stronger cases could be made concerning more public figures in the so-called "PUMA" movement, who have pasts and records more available for criticism. Once again, that's not the issue; at least not for me.

    For me, the issue isn't about Bill Ayers. Ayers is a two-bit chump, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not worried about him influencing policy in the slightest. It's not about the "Rev" Wright, with whom I actually agree more than not, especially with his admonition to Obama that criticism would be directed at the next administration, despite any previous familiarity between the two. Nor is the issue Rezko- yet another unseemly character of the type that seems to populate the political community with which I'm sure most politicians have similar associations, given the nature of their business.

    The issue is the plethora of unanswered questions regarding Obama, the campaign's reticence to address them in earnest, and also Obama's equivocation on issues such as FISA and civil liberties, "middle-eastern" foreign policy, gay marriage, and the impetus for his supposed religious affiliation, to name a few. It is the duty of all voting Americans to pursue such questions, whether they be Republican, Democrat, or neither. Attempts to derail or marginalize those efforts are counter-productive, and to my mind, dangerous. Blind faith is not a virtue.

    Obama's election to the presidency is a fore-gone conclusion. Even if there were no polls during the campaign with which to assess the preferences of the electorate, it would be a reasonable assertion that a strong Democratic showing is inevitable considering the extent of (well-founded, in my opinion) dissatisfaction with the incumbent administration and by extension its proponents in congress. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

    It is our right to have, and should be the candidates' obligation to provide, as much pertinent information as would be necessary to make a well-informed and rational choice for either candidate and the resulting administration they would impose. To be more colloquial, I would like to know what I'm buying before the transaction is completed. Any efforts in obstruction of that are intellectually dishonest, AT BEST.

    Yes, I realize that I'm talking to a wall, or many walls. Damn shame.

    Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 10:58 AM

  102. Ping......the only continuation of failed policy i see is mccain palin........the failed policy is republican......maybe democrats are this and that and a lot of the other, but they're not bush....and not a continuation of his policies.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 10, 2008 10:58 AM

  103. Smuggy Snarky Thread Today

    The Alexrod Era
    A Salute to Richard Nixon! (and racially divisive politics)
    I Have A Plan (I'll tell you after the election)

    Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM

  104. anselm...one teacher did not cause this...it is the top, fatcats. Once they start to suffer, things will change.

    Have a great day...I will continue to work until I lose this job, too.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM

  105. The issue is the plethora of unanswered questions regarding Obama..

    And that is the problem, the plethora of unanswered questions, which will only be revealed after Obama takes office. Then the American public will ask why didn't we know this before? The answer is you weren't curious enough to press the news media for an answer.

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 11:03 AM

  106. Love it, Craig, love it. "Happy Days are here Again" :-)

    It used to be for GOOD news, no matter what, you could call your stock broker.

    I'll add to this, that:

    Where have all the dollars gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the dollars gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the dollars gone?
    Greedy capitalists have picked them every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the home owners gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the home owners gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the home owners gone?
    Taken apartments every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the banks gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the banks gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the banks gone?
    Gone for bankrupt every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the stock brokers gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the stock brokers gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the stock brokers gone?
    Gone to unemployment every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Etc.

    "Where have all the Flowers Gone?" by Pete Seeger

    ~Sorry Pete.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:07 AM

  107. Panic attacks: Voters unload at GOP rallies

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html

    Bad news for Grandpa if all the reporting about his rallies is how rage filled and ugly the crowds are becoming.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM

  108. Sturg,
    Labels Labels Labels,
    In your own argument you state the following regarding Bush 2...

    "But his presidency has been anything but conservative. In fact, it has been the most incompetent, dis-honest and un-conservative administration - ever!" and if anything but conservative this would be Liberal which would be Barack Obama.

    Therefore Barack Obama is in fact the continuation of the failed (much by complacent behavior) policy of Bush.

    the only change about Barack Obama is Change in his positions to be more centric in HIS WORDS ONLY.

    Barack Obama is winning for two reasons.

    The American People do attach the failed situation correctly to Bush, and default to Republicans - Regardless of this not being factual. And thus McCain pays the price if he can not break this perception - which is the only campaign message Barack or Biden spew.

    Barack Obama is successful and protected from answering questions – as has been so correctly pointed out in today’s blog – and in his spewing has been successful in making McCain appear to be the mud slinger when in fact McCain (and more now in America) are asking Obama a valid question that happens to have possible negative elements.

    Ref Champs post above – outstanding

    So yes if one is intellectually honest with themselves – in the privacy of the booth they will vote for McCain – IF THEY CAN GET OVER THE HATE OF BUSH and understand in policy Obama is in fact more of the same

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:10 AM


  109. Ping

    You are a very good person, and care for people,,,,,,,,, but lets face it you are just picking sides, you are Republican, and wan to stay one, when you see that someone is being clubbed to death, you want it to stop, Im sure that you would not pick up a club and join the others in such a way as to couse it it's death or great harm? what more proof do you need, than the last 8 yrs to lose team mentality, Il is where i live so i will be voting for R P but if i were in a state that was a close call i would not hesitate to go Obama----don't like him, have never liked slick people, but i want to look out for that guy being clubbed by the R's thanks

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:11 AM

  110. Dateline Dallas:

    There's a yard sign war. Each side is stealing the other side's yard signs.

    Some yard signs are altered to read.

    "McPain" or "McPain & Pain" taking out the L in Palin.

    I didn't do it, but I like it.

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:13 AM

  111. Let me correct,
    IF THEY CAN REMOVE THE BLINDERS CALLED GEORGE BUSH and understand that Obama is in fact more of the same.

    Many Valid reasons to have issues with George Bush, But Judge McCain and Obama by Their facts and what they have actually done.

    Obama is not running against Bush - you would never know it by the spewing (i love that word attached to obama) to deflect and redirect so he does not have to answer questions

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:15 AM

  112. Pong you've been pushing that line of Obama is just another Bush for weeks now, no one is buying, you only have 25 days left, you better try something else.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:17 AM


  113. Tony--------Move over on the bench, and get me a beer(bud-bottle) im coming over there and stop posting so much, and let the first string do the talking,

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM

  114. SolarCrete - I am a centric that demands fiscal responsibility and not allow political or social agenda to over ride sound fiscal policy. I have NEVER voted a straight ticket and will not this time. I happen to NOW be Republican as in a true historical (or southern Dem) is for less Government.

    Your response is exactly my point – LABELS !! Not issue based.

    The club you reference is based on liberal policy that violated sound fiscal policy. This is Barack – Eddie Haskell – Obama (Oh My I just labeled)

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM

  115. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/even-in-bad-times-happy-talk-w.html#comment-157268

    Thee and me both Patsi. These major downturns are cyclical. They have nothing to do with one single action or trend in one country. Anyone who had read the book Generations, knew this one was coming along about now.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM

  116. "one teacher did not cause this"


    Excuse me, I didn't say one teacher, I said or alluded to Teachers Unions, Steelworkers Unions, Auto Workers, Federal Employee savings plan, your 401k, my IRA, basically anyone who invested into the market, anyone who bought a home they couldn't possibly afford, people who over extend their credit. Where was the concern back 1 year ago yesterday when things were riding high and your accounts were fat? There wasn't any because when things are going well and your accounts and home are showing a nice profit, who looks under the hood to find out what isn't running right? NO ONE. You come and leave with the one who brought you, in this case it was the markets. Housing, stock, credit, take your pick. The blame for this is very wide spread and runs from government right down to the individual. People have to face reality it is as much our fault with the way thing are allowed to run and it is with those who run the processes. Who here wrote, called, anyone last year about the housing debacle? Or called their banks to see how many sub-prime mortgages they have entered into, or called your broker to inquirer if your account was to heavy weighted with financial holdings? It is easy to blame someone else for our misgivings. Maybe next time we might not be so greedy. Old axiom which holds true, "Bears and Bulls make money, Pigs get slaughtered."

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM

  117. Brian - I wish I could try a larger font !!!

    How can the American People really find out what an individual stands for? What are the resources?
    History is one of the best.....

    The facts are clear - Obama is very liberal and I am surprised that his base is not holding him accountable for his shift to the center - or do they know the True Obama will come out and this is just part of the Politics of the day.....????

    Brain at least your honest about your liberalness -

    Nothing wrong with it - just a different approach - why is Obama ashamed?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:24 AM

  118. Anyone who had read the book Generations, knew this one was coming along about now.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM

    Hindsight is 20/20. Should I assume anyone who has read "Generations" is now fabulously wealthy form shorting the market? Damn; should have read "Generations".

    Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 11:25 AM

  119. All that talk back in the Palineolithic Era... pitbull, lipstick, hockey mom... 'member?

    At this time I'd like to call her what she is -- America's hooky mom.

    No one parent I know who has had a child born with or without a recognizable condition takes as much time as both the Palins have away from their newborn.

    The damage such absence does to ANY child is consistently, well, monumental.

    It ain't patriotism that drives them -- just egregious personal ambition.

    In all the bizzes in which I've been, I've known dozens of Sarah Palins without regard for gender.

    Their ethics and morality are based on a simple, incontrovertible principal.

    If they do it or say it, it is both the right and the only thing to do.

    Gordo, darling... have you read the McCain history in Rolling Stone?

    At least read its opening: tt's a wee bit better than your stories as it comes from a source of unimpeachable quality.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

    You seem bright.

    Yet when it comes to impeachable sources, I regret that you insist on proving you are pretty much the pits.

    Posted by: 9/11 survivor (sort of) Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:27 AM

  120. "but lets face it you are just picking sides, you are Republican"

    And that would make you what?

    Posted by: Anselm | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM

  121. CRAIG --
    Why is Obama ashamed to be honest about his liberal past?

    Is he really changing?
    Is he really shifting away from his actual record and will behave with fiscal responsibility?

    What is it about the spots on a leopard?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM

  122. Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM

  123. "Rolling Stone" Magazine is a source of unimpeachable quality?! Is this some strange parallel universe into which I've wandered? Good golly Miss Molly. Un-fricken-believable.

    Posted by: champ | October 10, 2008 11:31 AM

  124. ashamed? Oh please pong, I remember at some point towards the end of the primary process one of the talking heads said something to the effect of "liberals are getting angry because Obama wants to win"

    That pretty much sums up my attitude at what you call Obama's shift to the center. One of the problems you and most of the McCain folks, and many of the pundits keep failing to acknowledge is this is not your usual election. Tossing about Reagan era "slurs" of liberal and socialist aren't winning you any points with the public. Nor is the angry mob mentality taking over the McCain rallies.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:32 AM

  125. Apparently McCain's flip flopping on immigration isn't winning him any votes either!

    Hispanics turn cold shoulder to McCain

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14444.html

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:33 AM

  126. Speaking of happy talk

    "(10-09) 19:10 PDT -- The top brass of Wachovia Corp., which lost billions betting on risky mortgages and neared the brink of bankruptcy last week, could walk away with tens of millions of dollars if Wells Fargo & Co. completes its acquisition of the Charlotte, N.C. bank."

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 10, 2008 11:34 AM

  127. KGC, I'll top your Happy Talk with

    Don't Worry be Happy.