Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Thank God this was pro-Obama! Maybe you'll be allowed to continue as host!

I think changing the threads only exacerbates the drama rather than mitigating it.

Christopher Hitchens: McCain's calling the hoax girl today over this is a sign of his desperation.

for those who came on right after this post went up, refresh your page, had to fix some number typos

Speaking of Pro Obama

Christopher Hitchins is really ripping into McCain on Hard Ball tonight. He is talking about the "strangeness" I've been sensing in McCain.

Hitchens still doesn't love Obama, but considers him the only viable choice.

Bear

Gas at a $1.96 ?

You got me beat today by 16 cents, best I've seen is $2.12

Jack

Maybe Carter and Mondale can form a support group for McCain. Has a presidential candidate ever gotten no electoral votes?

How do you guys watch that garbage night after night after night? Don't you ever get tired of listening to talking heads that are paid to spout nonsense ad nauseum?

I always watch christopher hitchens when and wherever he's available........sorry.

Don't let the accent fool you, Sturge. He's just a dude, like you. You're probably as well-read as he anyway.

champ.....lol......I dont worship him.....I just like to hear what he has to say, and it's not just the accent.....it's the words and his way with them.........and sometimes I even agree with him............

and so are they all.......just dudes, like me.

You're a pot-head, no need to cast stones. You don't need to be a dick 24/7; you know

Hold on now, I shouldn't have jumped in on that one... Have at it, ladies.

too late now.......your attempt at moderating has cost you your lead.......lol

"Has a presidential candidate ever gotten no electoral votes?"

Alf Landon came close with 8 in the 36 election against Roosevelt.

Jack

lol@ champ and sturge

What can I say, lol yea I know nothin' is probably the safest.

Jack

Well, I could articulate an analysis of the interpersonal dynamics of the comment section, but it wouldn't be worth it. Some of the time this forum functions more like a wall at which things are thrown, rather than a table at which things are discussed. I've noticed it happens in waves also, which is interesting. I'm certainly not beyond reproach myself, but I'm not in the mood to fight today. It's fun to watch, though.

538 gives Obama another 10 electoral votes today

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

At 354 - Gilbert in DC is closest

nothing wrong with pot.......how many have smoked a joint and run their car into an oak tree, or went home and beat up their spouse, or whatever......yet liquor is quite legal and sanctioned and even glorified......it's one of the things where I agree with hitchens and wm f. buckley, by the way.......the war on drugs is an asinine and counter-productive operation.......

So now that it looks like a electoral college blow out, is it OK to keep it?

"how many have smoked a joint and run their car into an oak tree, or went home and beat up their spouse"

Posted by: sturgeone | October 24, 2008 6:13 PM

It happened once. Sturge, and I've already apologized. Am I ever going to live it down?

Legalize and Tax.

Throw the key away on anyone who injures another while under the influence of anything.

Sturge,

Do you think that it is OK to smoke pot and then drive? I've seen some pretty heavy stoners I sure wouldn't want to be riding with and I sure don't want my kids riding around with their friends smoking pot.

That said, I will admit that I used to think it was OK but I was probably.....Oh just forget it.

Pot kettle black uhhhhhhhh you're such a retard, dude, no wonder you don't have any real friends. Why don't you break out that rapier wit of yours?

Pot, kettle, black

Sounds racist to me.

Craig

Where do the campaign spinners go to learn how to talk that fast uttering nothing but talking points, while totally avoiding the question put to them and then insist they did answer it and any repeat of the question means the questioner is obviously biased?

Jamie,

The answer is Nassau County, Long Island.

"Where do the campaign spinners go to learn how to talk that fast uttering nothing but talking points, while totally avoiding the question put to them and then insist they did answer it and any repeat of the question means the questioner is obviously biased?"

No kidding, Jamie! It all becomes a blur.

Thanks Jack

"We're trying to have Boys' Night here on the blog, Jamie. We're fighting now, and we're going to play poker and get drunk later, followed by more fighting. "

ROFL -- does that mean we have to get back to crocheting?

Christmas is coming soon, and I appreciate home-made gifts, Patsi. I could use a sweater.

Patsi
While you and Jamie crochet that sweater a little music

Tompall Glasier ~ Put Another Log On the Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCC1EKXRBc

Yo waiter, the man needs his check.
rapido

Jack

“I mean—hell, I been surprised how sane you guys all are. As near as I can tell you’re not any crazier than the average asshole on the street—”

McMurphy’s verdict on the other patients in the ward. From One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest which actually could be an accurate observation about the people in the Trail Mix Ward too.

Funny stuff.

"I appreciate home-made gifts, Patsi. I could use a sweater."

Champ -- I'm not the crafty one in my family. That's my daughter. But she's pretty busy making my granddaughter a "Bat Ballerina" Halloween costume. The granddaughter has morphed from her earlier costume preferences, that of a combo princess/biker chick, to Bat Ballerina.

Nanny

AT the time Craig wrote his column, the McCain campaign had already called the girl and the Obama campaign had already issued a statement. No one had started question the story. Just because later events brought up first "alleged" and even later "hoax" .

Besides which if I want an apology from anyone, I'll ask for it myself. Speak for yourself and I'll speak for me.

Bowmanc

Speak for yourself, I'm perfectly normal, it says so, right here on the release papers.

Jack

Hello princes and princesses of the blogs --
Hot in here in Northern California and poor Bethy -no rain in site. It's only 3:40 but I'm drinking already can I join in the fight.
The farthest I got with knitting was knit one pearl two...lots of dropped stiches.

Bethy
I hope Prop Q passes I am a big supporter of the SMART Train. It should have passed last time except for those NIMBY maroons in Marin. This time the SMART supporters have been a lot of tougher and not allowed those idiots to get away with spreading their craptastic lies about the train
and it looks like there is going to be a spur to the Ferry too!
Next we have to connect with Napa and the East Bay so we can get to BART.

The Republicans should be happy McCain has done as well as he as. In a just world, no Republican would be elected this time. Goopers suck.

Go Phillies!

I knit, but there is a king size afghan in the works ...

No Time For Sweaters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AdXbqORn-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

the full monty

Ladies, ladies... that mugging hoax and the resulting drama was so two threads ago. Get hip.

I'm gone.

oh lordy, here we go again:

"LONGWOOD, Fla. -- The home of a Central Florida Republican headquarters manager was shot up and damaged over his support of Sen. John McCain, the man told police."

http://www.local6.com/politics/17784129/detail.html

It was probably done by angry Republicans who wanted McCain to pick Charlie Crist. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

el bowman......it's probably ok to toke up and drive unless you see a little blue volkswagen in your rear view and then drop the roach into your lap where you have to douse it with your beer and then you run over some trashcans and stuff...........

"Tompall Glasier"

Jack -- he's dedicated that song to me at several shows...'cause he knows I think its hilarious.

"Central Florida Republican headquarters manager was shot up "

I got an email from a well-known female pop/folk singer from the 70s....her home in Nashville was the object of an anti-Obama attack -- ruining her yard signs etc. And it involved some racial catcalls.

I told her that she needed to get out of her pricey Republican neighborhood and move over her to my street. All kinds of folks and no problems.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php

"John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established -- and even told reporters outright that the "B" carved into the victim's cheek stood for "Barack," according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions."

Craig: Now here is something that may be interesting to investigate.

sturgerino

do you wear a bathrobe all day long?

Dude/Walter '08

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163257

Screw the knitting -- take me to a gay bar where the men are well groomed and like to dance!

Screw the knitting -- take me to a gay bar where the men are well groomed and like to dance!

great!

So Champ --are you ready to go out on Halloween as Bat Ballerina? Not to be confused with Masterson.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163285

Champ would like to be Sarah Palin for Halloween. He just lacks the funds for the wardrobe.

"Tompall Glasier"

Oh man! Tompall

T is for Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOhX8P8WMGw

The producers from the Lou Dobbs show must be reading the Anonymous Paranoid's blog. The next story is about using the army to combat civil disobedience at home.

The only people in the streets in the next little while are going to be celebrating.

It is for when McCain wins and there is a total freakout and break down of civil order in the big cities.

"Oh man! Tompall'

he's been really sick the last couple of years, Bow...very sad.

Hey KGC! The Southern Poverty Law Center sponsors the "Dobby" awards for all the racist stunts of Lou Dobbs.

Watcha drinkin'? Mine's a Sidecar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidecar_cocktail

I want my darling 4 yo grand nephew to go as ScoobyDoo for Halloween, but his mom is sooooo
pregnant she had to go for an easier costume! Life is so ruff!

KGC - that's what I was thinking re Q. Won't it be great if it passes! Is 8 looking any better? I think the ads have gotten a little better?

That reminds me of something that has bothered me for a while. Do you know of any modern constitutional democracy today has sex mentioned in that constitution? I can't imagine it.

Alicia
Sidecar sounds wonderful. It's so nightclubby.
I am drinking grappa on the rocks
It's grappa made from zinfandel grapes from a distiller in Mendocino -Germain-Robin.

Thanks for the "Dobby" story. That is wonderful. What a horrible person he is. What does it say about CNN that they are willing to sell hate.

A little more God-talk from brother Martin:

We must meet hate with love. (Yeah) We must meet physical force with soul force. There is still a voice crying out through the vista of time, saying: "Love your enemies (Yeah), bless them that curse you (Yes), pray for them that despitefully use you." (That's right, All right) Then, and only then, can you matriculate into the university of eternal life. That same voice cries out in terms lifted to cosmic proportions: "He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword." (Yeah, Lord) And history is replete with the bleached bones of nations (Yeah) that failed to follow this command. (All right) We must follow nonviolence and love. (Yes, Lord)

I like giffffffts........
--corrado prizzi

ABC News cuts back, cancels Christmas...

http://www.observer.com/2008/media/email-abc-news-president-tells-staff-no-holiday-parties-year-all-print-subs-cancelled-exe

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163292

Bethy and anyone else in CA or who knows someone in CA:

NO on 8!!

KGC -- Ooooohhhhh Grappaaahhh...yummmmm!
Wishin' I had some.

Sidecar was kind of a first wave feminist drink. I rather like it as a change from my usual dirty martinis (with anchovy olives).

i live in Pa. And I will be very surprised if Obama wins here. We are not the type of people to be fooled easily. And really Obama, has nothing but Hate for people who live here, and that Hate, is mostly for White People.

"my usual dirty martinis (with anchovy olives). "

You've got my attention, Alicia!

Bethy

The most recent polls show Prop 8 losing. It's not clear what a big turn out means.

There is a lot of church organized support for Prop 8. I think the no side is rightly very nervous.

West coast states seem to be initiative driven. Most places don't have such a wacky populace that wants to vote on everything.

No on 7
Yes on 2

We are not the type of people to be fooled easily. - Lampe

If you believe that Obama is a hater and specifically hates white people ...

You've already been fooled.

Hey GAK

I'm still making myself popular at cocktail parties with your bumper sticker. Nice to see you.

Is George going to get a new Democratic senator and possibly turn blue?

Make that Georgia

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163298

Lampe -- Why do you think that?

"shot up and damaged over his support of Sen. John McCain"

To this one I say, they've had ENOUGH and won't take it any more. This is how dire the state of the everything is.

Off to watch my favorite pundit. You know. The one with the hair.

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163283

Hey Alicia
Wish you were here in Central Florida,I would take you to Parliament House in Orlando!!! Plenty of well groomed Gay men....Oh and dancing..YES!You are really fun!!! You also KGC......

KGC: Glad to hear it! LOL

I'm not sure about Georgia. Problem is there are too many brain-dead Republicans that will be horrified at how close the race has become and turn out in force to vote for McSame.

The upside is early voting here has been remarkable. We were going to try to vote in our county today and couldn't because there was a 4 hour wait in the rain and we wouldn't make it to the early election site to make the 5 pm closing! (Yes it ACTUALLY rained here today.) Next week they will open up more early voting sites so it should be easier to do so. Hubby is poll-watching on election day so we need to vote early.

I'm concerned that even if Obama should pull off a victory in GA, the Republican and highly partisan Secretary of State will be sure to disenfranchise enough new minority voters to keep Saxby (Boy, do I suck!) Chambliss in the senate and keep Georgia a red state for McGrumpy.

It speaks volumes that Obama has actually made a red state like Georgia competitive.

I'll say one thing though, I do not see nearly the amount of McCain bumper stickers and signs in this Republican strong hold county that I live in like I did for Bush in 2004. The base truly isn't very enamored with McCain/Palin.

Off to watch Craig ...

Lampe - I'm not a rabid supporter of Obama altho I am definitely voting for him, but I do not believe the man runs on hate. I don't think hate is his fuel at all. I suspect he sees it as a waste of time, which is correct.

I find it intriguing that you think he hates white people. You are a black woman, right? Are you being defensive on the part of white people, or just angry at what you see as all-around hatred? I'm really interested in your reasoning - I found Rev Wright's preaching to be very un-settling.

Tony -- that sounds fabulous! One of my buddies used to take me to one in Denver where people dressed up in Halloween-type costumes most of the time. What fun!

"I'm not sure about Georgia."

I'm sorry to hear that -- I was hoping that Hipster would have a big night of celebration! He REALLY hoped for it.

Road trip!

time flies like an arrow......fruit flies like a banana.

--Townes van Zandt

(he may have been quoting someone)

Woo Hoo, Tonyb39! I wish I were in Central FL to have fun with you tonight! Thank you for the invite. Until I make it down to FL, I will have to be content with the Bourbon Room (aka Boom Boom Room) in Fredericksburg.

aha.....like groucho marx

Craig's on now -- obviously Sarah's make-up artist did not prep him for his appearance. THANK GOD! (oops! Gawd talk no-no.)

Patsi,

Tompall has been one of my favorites, for a very long time. I think we blogged about him a year or so ago. What I will do is send out positive vibrations for him.

And one other thing, if you write another biography, please have it be Buddy Emmons. Or ghost write his autobiography, he has to be one of the finest instrumentalists ever. Do you know him? You must.

buddy emmons....tip top chap......

Tip Top are you kidding. He is the master of the Pedal Steel Guitar. Sho-Bud = Shot Jackson & Buddy Emmons.

Martini Ladies"

Make mine really good gin with the jumbo green olives. Set glass near open bottle of vermouth for 30 seconds of fumes.

actually invented the pedal steel, also.....

" I think we blogged about him a year or so ago. What I will do is send out positive vibrations for him. '

Yeah, we did, Bow -- he's something else. Got far less credit for Outlaw Country than he should have.

I wish I knew Buddy -- but don't. I'd love to write with or about him. But it's very hard to sell those books. Makes me sick, because so much music history is lost. Harlan Howard's widow wanted me to do a bio of him, and we couldn't find one publisher who cared about him or his story.

CMT has a nice short bio on Tompall, but it only goes up to 1986

http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/glaser_tompall/bio.jhtml

I got to play piano with harlan once when he was sitting in at the best western on murfreesboro rd......he did "If drinking dont kill me" among others.......jimi young's group......

Patsi

You have the background. Why don't you write up a proposal for either the Country Music Hall of Fame or the Grand Old Opry to sponsor a series of books for sale to the tourists?

If they won't bite, talk to Branson.

I know those books don't sell. Not so you or him could make any money. One of the good things about the web and digital print is that books can be published as one offs, not like the old days of hundred thousand press runs.

Anyway Pedal Steel guitar is not popular across the musical spectrum like the piano is. It has been associated with mostly country music and Western Swing. It is rarely heard in mainstream pop music. However, if you go back aways ans listen to the Ventures, Sleepwalk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jkhs_1FBcE&feature=related

That's a good bio, Jamie -- actually, he didn't do much after the mid to late '80s. He still had his studio and publishing companies, but not so much recording.

A book on the four "Outlaw" performers would be great
Kristofferson, Colter and Glaser are still available.

"sponsor a series of books for sale to the tourists? "

They'd do that now, but not pay enough to live on. That's the biggest problem in writing. Unless you are a huge selling writer, or have a partner who can support you, it's tough -- and getting tougher -- to make a living.

"got to play piano with harlan once when he was sitting in at the best western on murfreesboro rd......"

Gotta love that sturge...

I do indeed, patsi.......a very bright memory......

he'd come in there to sing fairly often.......he was a lot of fun......good stories......

I don't think anybody could match the great Redneck Rock book by Jan Reid:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0292701977/sr=1-1/qid=1224896339/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1224896339&sr=1-1&seller=

Early Read on Early Voting, Could Reach 30%
Obama and McCain supporters voting early at about the same rate

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111430/Early-Voting-Now-11-Could-Reach-30.aspx

Sturge -- Harlan was one of the best people in this business....he always had time to give advise and encouragement to young songwriters. He sat at that corner chair at the bar at Maude's Courtyard....and if he wasn't scribbling lines on napkins, anybody could approach him

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163313
Hey Patsi
Your invited too!! Wish you were here also!! Parliament House is a fun place,straight or gay.The court yard is filled with lovely gay men and a balmy Florida atmosphere,costumes and drag queens regularly..Fun..Dancing and Go Go guys up on there pedestals...Open invitation TM ladies and Gents too!!!

"Early Read on Early Voting, Could Reach 30%"

I'm so nervous that my daughter, with her love of the election day experience, will run into a mess that day in Ohio. She says she knows how important the state is, and she'll stand in line for hours if that's what it takes.

So Much for PUMA Power in those Newsweek numbers.

Hillary Clinton Supporters Obama 86 McCain 7

And you KNOW they WILL vote.

Tony,

Maybe we should make that the site for the next get together of Trailmixers. :-)

"costumes and drag queens regularly..Fun..Dancing and Go Go guys up on there pedestals...Open invitation TM ladies and Gents too!!!"

Maybe my daughter will make me a Bat Ballerina costume like the one she's doing for my granddaughter!

Tony -- Here's a little "gay" observation. One of my best lesbian friends (a computer guru) was over the other day and I mentioned one of my favorite scenes in any movie. She started laughing and said, "Are you SURE you're straight? Every lesbian I know loves that scene!"

And what was the scene? Joan Cusak's meltdown at the end of the second Addams Family movie, where she goes ballistic over getting the wrong kind of Barbie doll one Christmas, and torching her parents because of it.

That scene is truly a joy to behold.

Jamie & Patsi --

Patsi's martini with Citadel gin, Goya anchovy olives, splash of dry Vermouth with splash of olive juice. Stirred, poured inyo a frosted martini glass.

Jamie's martini with Bombay Sapphire gin, a few drops of vermouth in the shaker and then pour it out. Add ice and gin, stir. Pour into frosty martini glass. Add a huge Spanish olive or two.

The Parliament House website is great.

Halloween is just a few days away.

Patsi -- She could still vote early and get election day vibe by volunteering at the polls on election day.

Divalicious,

You can tend bar for me any time.

Looked at Parliament House pictures ... Dancing yes, maybe not on the get together. :-)

"Patsi's martini with Citadel gin, Goya anchovy olives, splash of dry Vermouth with splash of olive juice. Stirred, poured inyo a frosted martini glass."

Makes me want one! And I only thirst for a martini once every so often. You've just triggered it!

Unfortunately, my three-year old granddaughter might be a problem for her mom's volunteering. As it stands, Tracy and her (Christian fundamentalist) neighbor are trading off kids on election day, allowing for several hours if needed. Both voting for the Democratic ticket, I might add.

By the way, my daughter is still seriously pissed that Paul Hackett lost narrowly to Jean Schmidt -- that's Tracy's district, and she was SO excited to vote for him.

Is Hackett going to run against Mean Jean in the future?

Patsi - I could sweqr I've seen a documentary on tv, prob pbs, made by a guy who supposedly works to gather old sheet music and history about long gone country and blues singers/players. Is he just a token?

Sarah Obama

My god, I hate UPS! I ordered 2 small books from Amazon and paid extra for 2 day delivery to get here today. UPS says it was left at my front door @ 2:08 pm.
As you all know to your sorrow I have been sitting here blogging all day. The doorbell didn't ring and there was no knock at the door. There's also no package at the door.

I called Amazon and got India. This kid was going to send me another package to get here tomorrow by UPS - he didn't know UPS doesn't deliver on Saturday.
I called UPS and they will check locally to see what the driver did, and the will call me back MONDAY.

That does it for my sister's birthday present, and that's the second time UPS has screwed me over a gift. They've made other real messes as well for me other than gifts. I HATE THEM I HATE THEM AND I hate Amazon too. This is the problem with corporations - they don't need individual customers.

Jamie - I keep forgetting to say that I'd like to try to meet at Asilomar again.

An interesting graphic on the California realestate crash. Glad it is not that bad here.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/info-CALHOME08.html

Jack

Jack - that pink county on the coast above San Francisco is Sonoma County where KGC & I live. My sister's in real estate and it has been slow. Well, the news about all that has appeared to be a little better, apparently.

New twist on the McCain list -

Joe the Plumber

Ashley the Psycho

Will Ashley the Psycho's taxes go up under a McCain / Palin administration ? Wonks wanta know !

Wait till Ashley the Psycho finds out that McCain's health plan doesn't cover mental health issues.
Sure hope she voted early before she left Texas.

ROFLMAO

Cindy the Beer Vendor?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelli
gence/2008/10/cindy_the_beer_1.html

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/cindy_the_beer_1.html

The latest poll, a University of Wisconsin survey that came out Thursday, showed Franken ahead of Coleman 40 percent to 34 percent, his biggest lead of the race. Independent Dean Barkley was favored by 15 percent of those surveyed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/24/AR2008102403593.html?hpid=topnews

Sarah Obama says ...

Craig -
Richard Wolf on Countdown could barely restrain himself, as they talked about Palin's dumb crack about fruit fly research last night. Is he the son of biologists ?
I have never seen him like that, clearly he was mad as hell.

she was there

LOL that phony!

G Man,

That's all more propaganda. These people (you) will say anything to keep him from being elected. 10 days and counting. who's gonna believe anything a 85 yr. old kenyan woman who can''t speak english. Good Luck! lol
Hope you got You-tube video of the live birth rofl.

Her remarks about fruit fly research point back to McCain's crack about the 3 million dollar earmark for bear DNA research. Which to the "base" we hear so much about would at first blush seem very wasteful indeed. But if you're one of the common folk they court so much, you probably don't know what a miracle a hibernating bear is.

When the bear goes to sleep, he doesn't consume any water for the whole time in hibernation. That means he has to recycle his water in a way doesn't have a build up of waste in his blood stream. Knowing how the bear does that has great implications for kidney research.

I won't list the other things the bear has to teach us, insomnia research comes to mind right now.

Anyway those answers are stored in the bear DNA. And studying that is what his base thinks is wasteful, and he thinks is funny.

Rezdog --------------------------

You believe the voters vote for POTUS?

December 15

Electoral College

11 days GORDO we'll see

Americans drove 15 billion fewer miles in August than a year ago. The decline in miles driven went into its 10th month, she said.

In August, Americans drove 5.6 percent less than they did in August 2007, the largest ever year-to-year decline recorded in a single month, Secretary Peters said. Over the past 10 months, Americans have driven 78 billion fewer miles than they did in the same 10 months the previous year.

http://www.trafficworld.com/newssection/government.asp?id=48332

"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." –April 30, 2001
Dick Cheney

"The Electoral College consists of 538 popularly elected representatives who formally select the President and Vice President of the United States.[1] In 2008, it will make this selection on December 15. The Electoral College is an example of an indirect election.

Rather than directly voting for the President and Vice President, United States citizens cast votes for electors. Electors are technically free to vote for anyone eligible to be President ,,,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

Hide and watch..Hell maybe you man McCain may make it and this will all be moot.

-ORDO

Rezdog---------------

"... free to vote for anyone eligible to be President ,,,"

G Man,

Waiting with Pogo; tell us one (1) thing that you've prognosticated regarding Obama that's come to pass?

GORDO,
Go to the Obama site, Fight the smears and see his birth certificate. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you blind?

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

It's all there in black and white.

Hasta manana.

Rezdog --------------

There is talk on other blogs that the Repubs are not trying to win. Where are the tough 527 ads? There is plenty of "dirt" to throw at SoetorObama, but they are not using any. Maybe they want to dump this mess on the Dems and then make big gains in Congress after two years of over-reaching all Dem control.

Let's play Whac-A-Mole some more . LOL

There was that same talk here months ago, Gordo. Obama is going to be the next President. You might as well start getting used to it now.

I went to Drudge (and I never do that) just to see how he cleaned up the Pittsburgh story-mess.
I was really surprised to see a hot-link straight to here .

You're a pretty poor conspiracy theorist if you think your :18 post is some type of revelation, by the way.

Rezdog ------------

That's the altered COLB. It's not a BC. I've been posting about this since mid-June. You still don't know the difference? You are not alone. Most people don't understand the details - that's what SoetorObama and the DNC are depending on in order to deceive the public.

champ-----------

The :18 post was for the "happy dancer" and others who don't think about that possibility.

Sometimes you can win by losing. Just look at the mess the next POTUS has to deal with.

Check out your representative's support of "W" --

http://www.cqpolitics.com/cq-assets/cqmultimedia/flash/votestudy/index.html

So it turns out this young woman was not attacked at all but made up the black man attacking her because she had a McCain bumper sticker on her car. I guess McInsane volunteers are so desperate that they feel the need to concoct fanciful stories about being attacked by the evil Black man. I am sorry to hear the young woman has had a long history of mental problems but strangely that seems to be a perfect metaphor for the Repug candidate himself and his desperate supporters.

susan smith syndrome

I think that the woman involved is no doubt a complete nut job, Tom. The weird thing to me is that the cops obviously knew it was bogus from the beginning. They knew her mental health history early on -- why did they let this story out in the first place?

Patsi, good point !!!

Meanwhile authorities in Texas are trying to decide if this is a hate crime:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27365080/

Duh....

The aftermath of Ashley Todd’s story
By Jay Bookman | Friday, October 24, 2008, 04:50 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
McCain volunteer Ashley Todd has now confessed that she made up the story about being attacked by a large black man who carved the letter “B” into her cheek.

The young lady has issues, and I hope she gets the help she needs. End of story.

But let’s talk in a little more depth about the eagerness and even glee with which some in the right-wing blogosphere jumped on that story and immediately claimed it as proof of their worst nightmares coming true. So much of that story was unbelievable from the very beginning, yet certain people wanted to believe it so badly that they ignored all the warning signs and launched into full battle cry.

Andy McCarthy at the National Review’s Corner responded with a post so embarrassing he has now taken it down so nobody can see it.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/10/24/the_aftermath_of_ashley_todds.html

Hmm, I fully expected GORDO to post these bloggers' comments on the Trailmix. You're slipping GORDO.

McCain support falls through 13 @ intrade .... Down to 12.8 this morning.

http://www.intrade.com/

Mean while in Virgina, he's yelling at his staff ----

"More Cowbell ! "
"More Cowbell ! "

The McInsane Family losing self-control?

After Joe the Plumber, Joe the Hothead?

By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 9 mins ago

WASHINGTON – First there was Joe the Plumber. Is Joe the Hothead next? Joe McCain said Friday he'll withdraw from campaign activities for his brother, GOP presidential nominee John McCain, after calling 911 to angrily complain about traffic. Joe McCain has apologized for making the call.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/joe_mccain911

Geez, someone get this McInsane supporter SERIOUS help ...

Ashley Todd is even more crazy that I thought.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/25/kaye.barack.face.hoax.cnn

ET, what makes it acceptable to use the derisive term McInsane? Particularly when any criticism of Obama is so harshly condemned.

Yeah -- she's a complete nut. And I still wonder why the hell the police didn't "vet" this story before letting it out. From that video you posted, they could tell right away that she was bonzo.

The so-called "Christian right" is yet again showing their true colors. I know these people; in my teenage years I was a member of a fundamentalist church. They loved to speak in tongues, make prophesies, do "faith healings" and speak out about "love". But even though they would speak out on love, all the peoples they identified as "enemies" really showed them to be a beacon of hate. I have tangled with them for years, and every time I read anything about them, I still get so angry (and yet so grateful that I left the USA for Europe). I have no empathy for them; I consider them to be inherently evil.

Here is a prime example of their hate. What really scares me is how many idiots actually follow their lies and hate-mongering...

Christian right intensifies attacks on Obam
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By ERIC GORSKI and RACHEL ZOLL – 10 hours ago
Terrorist strikes on four American cities. Russia rolling into Eastern Europe. Israel hit by a nuclear bomb. Gay marriage in every state. The end of the Boy Scouts. All are plausible scenarios if Democrat Barack Obama is elected president, according to a new addition to the campaign conversation called "Letter from 2012 in Obama's America," produced by the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family Action.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h0S_-WZ32SLwqlSl84qr8MxA1SbQD9416KHO0

Bow, the article on Joe McInsane pretty well answers your question..

Joe the Plumber was once Joe the Alaskan (are you surprised?)
BY KYLE HOPKINS
ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS
ANCHORAGE — The star of Wednesday night's presidential debate used to live in Alaska.

And for once we're not talking about Gov. Sarah Palin.

Long before he was "Joe the plumber," Joe Wurzelbacher lived in North Pole and Eielson Air Force Base outside Fairbanks, according to Alaska public records. A family member says Wurzelbacher came to the state in the mid-1990s and stayed about four years — long enough to have the son who can be seen standing next to him in the now famous YouTube clip of Wurzelbacher grilling Sen. Barack Obama about taxes.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/739639.html

There is another announcement that "Joe the Plumber" may run for Congress in 2010. This guy is such a fraud. Not only was he lying about his intention to buy a plumbing business, but he wasn't even a plumber. Not only that, he presented himself to Obama as "undecided' when he is as right wing as the Repugs go. Furthermore, he has nothing in solidarity with the common working people and they know it. He is most certainly not a labor supporter or open to unionization of working peoples. FRAUD! Here's an article on his interest in running for Congress. Notice the "non-partisan" guy goes on the Laura Ingram show...

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/24/joe-the-plumber-says-hes-mulling-run-for-congress/

October 24, 2008

'Joe the Plumber' Mulling Run for Congress
@ 1:29 pm by Hill Staff
Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," said Friday he may consider running for Congress in 2010, challenging longtime Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D) in the Toledo-area district.

"I'll tell you what, we'd definitely be in one heck of a fight," Wurzelbacher said during an appearance on the Laura Ingraham show Friday, "but, you know, I'd be up for it."

Tom -- that's a freaky article. But I also know some fundamentalists and evangelicals who are not that way. It was the politicizing of that bunch that turned so many of them into crazies.

This all began back in earnest around the time Reagan ran for president....Falwell and that crowd. I wrote an editorial about it in 1980 for Colorado Woman, and if I can find it I'll email it to you.

Right on Patsi, there are many reasons I admire you and this is one of them. I was also talking to anyone and everyone about the Moral Majority and how they were a threat to civil liberties and equality for women and gays/lesbians particularly. Not many thought it was a serious issue back then, but it seems many are starting to see them for what they are.

Hope you can find the article! I will send it around to my friends!

xoxoxoxox

"...what makes it acceptable to use the derisive term McInsane?"

bow, white men are the only folks left that can we can pc-ly make fun of....

why be a grinch and you take them away too? where then will we go for a good hearty laugh?

ET, It is just another example of using language to dehumanize someone you don't agree with. What makes it OK for the left but not the right is a mystery to to.

patd,

that is why there are private clubs.

that should read "a mystery to me." rotten keyboard

I actually don't think McCain IS insane. I do, however think he may have some serious problems that cause him to take a lot of mood altering medication. I heard that from some people who were connected to his Senate office.

actually I don't think the insane are dehumanized. I think they need help and more resources should be invested to ensure they receive the care they need and deserve.

"that is why there are private clubs"

yeah, but they won't let me join.

course, i guess i could establish my very own, exclusive club and make fun of everybody else.... no group, subgroup, ethnic, religious, gender, size, etc. excluded from the joking

This is hilarious! Not really relevant in this election cycle I think but I still think it's funny.

If Republicans win, move to Canada?

I actually have a friend who did move to Canada with his wife and kids after Bush's first and only real Presidential election, as opposed to "selection"...

http://slatev.com/player.html?id=1842856410

patd, even at the liberal higher education institution I worked at, my colleagues and I would have to close the door every now and then just to make some politically incorrect commentaries. We were/are all liberals but sometimes the constant harping by the various campus constituencies went too far and we'd make jokes just to lighten the atmosphere a bit. I suspect this is human nature.

Patsi, probably JMcC isn't insane, though I'd give the guy a pass if he really was, after all those years in captivity in Hanoi. I know I would totally break if that happened to me, and it would happen quickly. So for that, he does get a nod of respect from me. Even though I joke, I think a lot of his policies are insane, such as the idea that Iraq is a good war and we are winning the fight...

calling him McInsane just makes the name caller look like some lightweight but part of a clique out on the old playground......it's what children and adolescents do when they make fun of some other child's name......remember how it went on the playground? It's all you can expect from some people, but there are others ought to know better.

ET,

We're already in the war. Nothing anyone does can change that. So, all our actions have to be forward looking.

It appears as if the corner is being turned so far as reduction of violence, and reestablishment of services is concerned.

Considering that Iraq was much like the former Yugoslavia--comprised of distinctly different ethnic groups, inclined towards violence against each other, the transformation is quite remarkable.

No one considered Saddam a benevolent dictator. He ruled with the constant threat of summary justice and violence. That is the governmental model that Iraqis were left with.

It appears as if they are developing alternative ways of governing. That is a process is being furthered by our presence.

Everybody wants us to be out of there; but, now is not the time to be trapped by campaign rhetoric. Let us leave thoughtfully and with consideration of the tremendous losses that have been experienced by all sides in this conflict.

Sturg, your 0746, you are so, so right. Bravo Zulu!

Wasssup -- 8 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

ET-- I sent that editorial to your gmail....

patsi.....might I see it also? I'll send you an e-mail and you may reply if you like.....I think I know yours.......

Sure, sturge...

Patsi, me too, s'il vous plait?

got it.....Thanks, large sizes.......so far it remains a blank screen, but maybe just takes awhile to load......

flatus dot
ohlfahrt at
gmail.com

i used to go to a chat room on aol, called "From The Left, news sports and finance"........it started out nice, but then erupted into partisan very-ultra bickering and then resulted in a split on the left side, which caused some to try to retreat to a separate chat room where they were followed and harrassed (verbally) by others not content just to let them go.....It got really ugly and nasty........I tried to simply remain in the original, but ended up just canning aol..........the From the Left room actually became the successor to a nice chat room called "News Club" which erupted in partisan bickering about the time of Monica/clinton where the From the Left became the new room for some......weird story.....

Wonder why some see anarchy as the normal state.

all in all on aol, i watched the demise of 4 separate chat rooms which started out nicely and then degenerated into ugliness and schisms and name calling etc....lol

sturgeone's law was applicable in every case.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163431

Oh puhleez... let's lighten up a bit... The guy has an insane temper and his policies are insane so in that context it works.

I can't take credit for the name though, Dexter was the first one who posted it.

On all sides there has been things said that wasn't always so nice. We Hillary supporters were pissed at the Obama supporters and it went back and forth. Nothing new, and I don't really need a lecture on use of language thank you.

My Halloween card courtesy of NOW:

http://www.now.org/sendcard/sendcard.php?view=1&id=neNbNZsCCELa&print=1

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/electoral-map-pins-mccain-down.html#comment-163432

I disagree. It's time to get the hell out of Iraq, a war that was instigated as a quick fix way to control a major part of the world's oil...

That's fine ET.......as i said, It's all you can expect from some.......
I seem to recall a few "lectures" from your direction, however......

It has nothing to do with lightening up......it has to do with playground behavior..........doesnt win any votes.....doesnt serve to discredit McCain, or point out his inadequate policies or stands on issues.......doesnt show anything at all, except that the name-caller is not of the same camp........

voila ! point taken and point made.

so......from now on I'll refer to Mr Obama as O-idiot.

lol

or how about Ba-rank Obama?

or maybe Scare-ack Obama

hey, this is fun............

I won't object...

It's just a blog afterall....

But like most, I suspect, I am more than ready for this election to get done and over with. The whole thing has given me the jitters (they always do) and I will be glad when it's 5 November.

of course there's Barack Who-insane Obama and ObamaOsama...........bonanna fanna So-Somma

ah, screw it..........guess I'll just call him obama and call a mccain mccain.......

gotta break my fast........

"all in all on aol, i watched the demise of 4 separate chat rooms which started out nicely and then degenerated into ugliness and schisms and name calling etc....lol"

I think I once mentioned that I once (mostly) lurked in a rose growing message board....God a'mighty -- that place was lethal! Who knew rose growers were werewolves?

Just read through yesterday's wars and found a lot to chuckle about there. I'm glad to see this place is back in fighting trim in time for the Big Show!

Patsi...glad to see you're back in fighting trim as well. I was worried about you during your hiatus.

patsi......remember the "rose war" between ain't bee and miz clara on Andy Griffith?

lol

Patsi

I think it is the same in real life as in virtual life.
The less important the group the more vicious the politics. You've never seen rough politics until you've been an officer in a neighborhood block club or the PTA

Jack

"The less important the group the more vicious the politics. "

Ain't that the truth!

yeah but beneath the surface, WE like you, we REALLY LIKE YOU!

actually I like most people here !

The first people I remember when I came into the chat were Jamie and Patsi... Patsi and I had interesting discussions on Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and the likelihood that she would have supported Hillary if still alive. Jamie immediately asked me about health care in Belgium. Both made me feel instantly welcome.

I came in like gangbusters, but chilled after a bit, and dialed in my bad language too. All in all, a good group with a few wing nuts but that at least provides some comic relief.

Good Morning Lardo

Even with my recent conversion to Obama supporter because I really like his wife and the fact that he does seem to be growing into the role, I have admit that I rather miss the Obambi days and the Jib Jab folks. :-)

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

" Could you send link to Jamie, who can share it with some of the rest of us?"

I will send it to Jamie, dog. My "personal style" has remained the same for much of my life...by that, I mean not always accommodating.

One of the causes I took up when publisher of Colorado Woman magazine was that of a pregnant topless waitress at Sid King's in Denver. Sid said she was no longer attractive. My response:

"You fool. I can have 300 lesbians with signs picketing your strip joint within thirty minutes."

The young woman was rehired.

That was back when feminism was a by-god "movement."

Patsi, Please send me the article as well.

Tom, The reason I like this place so much is that it seems to have taken on the personality of our host. Even when the was is at its hottest, we eventually dial it back and become reasonably well behaved adults again until the next explosion.

It doesn't encourage non stop foul language or raging name calling or virulent personal attacks. Most of the posters are very bright, understand politics, and can hold up their side of a discussion well without to much rancor.

As one of the occasionally guilty parties, it's nice to know that there is still a place to be when I recover my slipped sanity.

dog -- one mrore thought on personal style -- despite my willingness to jump in the fray, I also sold long term advertisements to some of the biggest and most conservative banking and business operations in Colorado....and got along just fine with them. Go figure.

Jamie -- the only reason the article is particularly relevant is that it was written almost thirty years ago...

It was written in response to a Republican primary where my friend, the Republican Sec. of State, was being trashed by the right for her moderate social views and feminism.

Morning all ....

More good news on housing...
The turn has started there in a good way..
Maybe this report will hit the stock market next week... So bargin hunting will go high gear

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/thrifty/orl-homes2508oct25,0,1750293.story

Iraq good reports, Housing good reports...
Fundamentals

dog -- The magazine was in business between 1974 and 1980...Reagan's world and a merger finally killed it. I have some old copies, though not all. I'll drag some out and see if anything sounds interesting -- many were of regional interest and promoting/honoring Colorado women.

Many of my personal papers etc were destroyed when my basement flooded the second year I was in Nashville, 1984.

I didn't care so much about my papers, except my graduate history paper on the Evian Conference....but I did mourn the loss of all the construction paper Christmas decorations my kids had made over the years.

U.S. resales rose last month by the largest amount in more than five years, the National Association of Realtors said in a separate report. The seasonally adjusted, 5.5 percent increase from August to September was the national market's best showing since a 5.6 percent increase in July 2003, when the historic housing boom was beginning to gain strength.

And Ping adds - this increase is not supported by a false credit system. These are solid credits.

NEW THREAD

Good news...
Had to dig to find it in MSM.... Should I wonder why?

Why it is behind OLDER headlines of Negative News?

No wonder the NYT value is not much better then Junk Bonds today ... Wonder how long they can last under the current trend?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/business/economy/25econ.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin

"the MILF. "

Really? How rude, crude and stupid. And do you want to?
...makes you a liar.

Ping

A going out of business sale always draws brisk sales. Especially if the prices are slash to move.

Jack

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