Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I seen my chances and I took 'em.
--George Washington Plunkett

He has toomany holes in his resume. If he were applying for a position in the private sector he would have to fill inthe blanks. What was he doing after he left Columbia in 1983? He didn't enter Harvard until 1990. How did earn a living? We know he wasn't independently wealthy. I'm sure there are many people that want to know more about his background.Where are his friends, neighbors, and associates from that time? Why aren't they coming forward to tell us who he is?

ubns
That is exactly why I said the perception management fits Obama. Pm meaning to create facts and put them out as truth. He wrote 3 books and created the facts and says trust me.. No friends, no "good" associates, a convicted felon, a terrorist, a hate filled minister. Where are the good friends? One paper/or magazine has 4 people in Alaska going through Palins trash and the trash in town trying to find out things about her. Why haven't they done that to BO.
What is the truth instead of created facts... He says change - but what is he changing? Who is this man?

Craig – good post, the video is outstanding as you help Rachel Maddow almost be watchable – maybe Jack got to her also?

Later on “There will be plenty of time to punish those” that created this mess, says Barack Obama. But Barack you need to take your medicine now as part of the problem. Your socialistic policy is the problem when driven into fiscal policy – BARACK COME CLEAN.

This is the Structural problem facing America and Americans do not even know it. This issue is to confusing and over the heads of 99% of the people – so the dems Structural attack of McCain as the same as Bush is working.

The election will change if and when the American People understand the premise of Sen. Obama on the economic crisis is indeed the same failed social policy overriding fiscal responsibility that created this mess – and was DRIVEN BY THE DEMS and ALLOWED BY BUSH.

Julie – Brilliant!

Obama builds a façade – will it stand the storm that is coming?

Obama continues to now say things that are closer to McCain and Clinton. So why not get the original. And as his converts listen they will not like it – that is why they are trying to get people to vote now.

Obama and the Dems are better campaigners – with a consistent message. But a message in conflict with the truth, will the people figure it out..

This is not over as still a strong chance for McCain – it is a good thing that so many of you have written him off already!

The higher they rise - the harder the fall

Since the beginning of his campaign he's struck me as the 'Lt. Kije' candidate.

Ping.......how'd you make that provencal "c" in facade?

Cold hard trend -- early voting and ab sentee voting in person is very popular this year. There was a line to vote early at the voter registrar's office yesterday.

Sockholm - my spelin is realy bad so when at home I use word to edit - I am a numbrs kinda person

Ediface Wrecks.

Ping.........Tanks.

Ping

you are so right. 99% of us do not understand all the ramifications of this economic disaster and the full concept of all the issues. One of the things that people are failing to understand is if the bail out does not go through. credit will and has already started to dry up. The rate that banks charge each other for overnight loans is the largest ever...

Flatus - I keep looking for Lt Kije and can not find him !! You are a wealth!

http://www.classicsforkids.com/shows/showdesc.asp?id=118

Kijé is "invented" when the Czar mishears a word in his general's report. As it is death to contradict the Czar, the general must concoct a series of adventures of the mythical lieutenant. Soon it becomes a game, where everybody in the Czar's court is telling fantastical farces of daring-do by the elusive Lt. Kijé

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oq9I0NaQ44&feature=related

copy paste from BigLizards Blog in my above post

Car analogy is a good one. After the primaries, some folks figured out that someone dependable like Hil'ry would've been a better choice than something flashy without a lot going on under the hood. The only thing that will save Obama is folks realizing that McCain/Palin is a flat-out lemon.

Think of the packages:

Obama/Biden - Someone with fresh ideas to flush out the last four years + someone with a experience & a firm grasp of the issues & who is well-respected on the world stage.

vs

McCain/Palin - Someone to continue the Bush/Cheney policies & keep this nation on its downward spiral + someone who lacks any deep understanding of world issues & may very well be called upon due to McCain's age & health issues.

Plus...as noted by MoJo's sportsguy...McCain may be taking 'roids. (That would explain his temper.)

Julie
Once the temporary Resuce passes - then we can not wait to educate!
The American People must learn the truth of a failed policy which allows social policy to preempt sound fiscal policy.
Keep it Simple
Barack is more of the same

blue - Words Just Words is Barack.

The clear and simple fact is Bush allowed this failed social policy to overrule fiscal policy.
This is Barack

I will hold on Fresh and New until after the debate.
as the only thing fresh and new is Barack continued move to the middle- Now is this facade pandering or is he really learnin?

The american people are like my teenage daughter with some music.

I ask - How can you listen to that horrible song - it is so wrong ?
Answer - I like the music - I do not listen to the words

Between the two, I will go with Barak.

I'm not getting into McCain's car because we've been going down the same road for 8 years and this country desparately needs to find the nearest exit for a potty break.

Ok, that one was pretty good, Sturge.

Here is an article about the very thing I was saying above regarding the libor rate and how it is affecting the credit crunch. This article explains a lot to help understand what is going on.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28396

Blue in dallas

You are buying into Obama message - McCain is the same as Bush.. They are two different people. McCain is not Bush.. people are so anxious to see backside of Bush, including me that they are falling all over themselves to put into office a questionable person of no experience to oversee the mostly troubling times this country has seen... At least McCain has experience and judgement. no so BO. Look at yesterdays speeches, BO sounds just like McCain & Hillary...

Blue - When it comes to this economic mess, take a close look at that slick and new young pretty car salesman - and see if what he is saying is correct,

If he comes clean about why you need a new car and that he sold you the lemon before that failed - then he has Changed.

If so Buy, In not run like hell.

Ping Pong noted: "The american people are like my teenage daughter with some music. I ask - How can you listen to that horrible song - it is so wrong ? Answer - I like the music - I do not listen to the words"

Which leaves us here: Crank up the band and vote for your favorite Menendez brother.

correction

the article on credit crisis- libor rate is at
real clear politics.com article be Joe nocera
worth reading

I cannot make it come up - it keeps posting the wrong one . I don't know why...

Mx Pong,

1. Do you mean derring-do ?

2. By structure, surely you mean the dismantling of Banking and SEC regulations, which began when the 'gingrich revolution' took over the House and Senate in January 3, 1995. Democrats did not have an opportunity to author legislation in the House after that date, until January 3, 2006. Of course, the illness of Senator Johnson through 2007, prevented the passage of bills offered to reregulate. bush has ruled by veto since.

If you can cite particular bills passed by Democrats and 'allowed' by bush that make them responsible for this credit crisis, the nation would be happy to learn about it.

However, since no such legislation exists, perhaps you would be kind enough to cease disimulating. A little truth never hurts, you know.

dog

I have no idea how I got the Malkin article. Was trying to put up the Joe Nocera article...for real clear politics
new york times... i tried it a second time and came up with the same malkin article... a glitch somewhere...

blueINdallas,

Possibly that pained look of mccain's comes from sitting on his 'roids, too. Or, maybe the rictus comes from sitting for over 20 years on that $100,000 bribe charles keating gave him to deregulate the banking and S & L industries.

The Peter Principle is the principle that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." While formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1968 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of Hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter, the principle has real validity. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".

Nice talking to you all. I've gotta run along now, change costumes, and make some money to pay for this damned republican crisis.

Super Nerd

Our story so far: Industrious appraiser protects clients, earns a living, and pays fair share of taxes without whining.

Keep ping pong honest while I'm gone, will you ?

Morning peeps.

Craig I think your thread ignore one very important fact, McCain's very erratic and sometimes downright bizarre behavior over the past two weeks. America has now seen how McCain can be expected to act during a crisis and America isn't impressed.

For the second straight weekly poll, Barack Obama holds a slight advantage over John McCain in the traditionally Republican state of North Carolina.

It’s Obama 50%, McCain 47% in the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Tar Heel State voters. A week ago, Obama held a two point advantage. This change comes as Obama has opened a fairly stable lead nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2008_north_carolina_presidential_election

Xrep, Come back.
The facts are clear and please speak to the statement,
The fundamental issue is to allow social policy to overrule sound fiscal policy!
OK - I will not argue the failure of the many
Barack Obama is a continuation of this policy

to all it is really simple

Do you support social policy overriding sound fiscal policy that disrupt the fundamentals of our economic system, If Yes vote for Barack

And two other points Craig, unless Palin takes some magic smart pills she's very unlikely to do anything tonight to stop her very rapid fall in the polls, and second the economy. It is now the primary issue of this election and will remain so through to election day. Sure there will be rises and falls in polls like the daily gallup, but baring some major unforeseen event the fundamentals of this election are set and they highly favor Obama and the Dems.

Dog - we do agree, That is my exact point, I think Nancy P and the congress out to lunch - this was no kitten with sneakers. And Bush is complacent at best.
Barack is not change - he will continue to use at a faster pace fiscal policy to try and drive social change which is contra to the fundamentals of our economy, couple with a liberal dem congress - holy cow

I'm glad my first choice for president was Senator Russ Feingold who voted against the phony plan.

It looks like courage is above the pay grade for most of the senate.

"And I am so glad it came before the election, when people can factor it in in making their choices.

Well, I'm not thrilled we have an economic crisis right now or any other time. But I do know that I have to run to the post office this morning to mail a check to the IRS, and I am REALLY not thrilled that thanks to the pork in this bailout bill, it's going to be sucked up by rum runners and Hollywood producers.

and was DRIVEN BY THE DEMS and ALLOWED BY BUSH.
Posted by: Ping Pong | October 2, 2008 6:47 AM

You are so wrong. It is the Repugs that said "no rules, no oversight, no government interference, let the magic of the market correct all excesses"

OK lets talk about clearly stupid statements.
Nancy P wins the award,,,,

Join me in sending to her a stuffed Kitten with sneakers!!!!

"however, beware of some of the sites. i followed the white rabbit gordo down the google hole yesterday . . and nearly ruined my computer as well as clutter up my mind with nonsense (didn't have on my tin hat). there seem to be plenty enough folks out there looking thru the trash, very willing to bury you in it. beware."

patd, Good advice lol

ET -
Do not confuse the issues

Social Policy should not override sound fiscal policy, PERIOD.

Also John McCain is the only one to call for Accountability.
Both parties are wrong, Many of the Fat Cat fake republicans are gone in 2006.

The choice is clear - and may anger people when the cover is removed

If you want more of the same, Social policy to override fiscal policy - your choice is clear

explain exactly what you mean by "social policy overriding fiscal policy"

If it were me, I get the hell out of Iraq and stop giving so much money to the war machine. That's bad social policy!!

Go Dodgers!

Dodgers suck, go Cubs.

Bethyboo

Prop 7 is apparently a good idea poorly implemented and done without the cooperation of most of the clean energy industry.

One guy with a lot of money put it on the ballot.

They may be less than 10% of the population, but Palin has more than a few problems with black in Alaska

http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/

Ping, I am still trying to figure out what you mean by social policy overriding fiscal policy. It strikes me as some overly generalized statement lacking in any specifics. Perhaps you could start by defining "social policy" as you see it

Um, the Cubs are 100 years of failed baseball policy. My sister's neighborhood is full of McCain signs. Many McCain signs are all over this area (Holland/Zeeland). The only difference between this election and the last few is that I have seen a few Obama signs here. I don't remember seeing any Gore or Kerry signs here.

At the core both Republicans and Democrats are good people. Yes extreme idiots on both sides.

We all want good affordable housing for all. So go and support and work with Habitat to make it happen and make sure the banking is sound.

Or pass a bill as a STAND ALONE to help fund ground level activity at the local level if you want to give or have more entitlements. But be clear of your actions so the American people know what you are doing.

Do not do it in the manner as was done with Freddie and Fannie, do not make rules or encourage not using sound fundamental economic rules which lead to the bad loans.

Fire immediately and hold accountable those in office and agency that acted or have been complacent

If you want to use the Federal Government for Social change come out and say it. Do not hide and confuse the voters - but be honest about it.

I heard you on Maddow last night say this and thought "this is what happens when someone has to write or say something every day, whether there is something to say or not." Seems to me you would actually have to buy something before feeling remorseful about the purchase. You seem to be saying swings have no other logic and are all due to buyer's remorse. As for your conclusion that a candidate would want to be down by 3 points the weekend before the election, I seriously doubt any candidate would agree.

Do people change their minds? No doubt. But since pollsters allow "undecided" or "leaning" as equally easy choices, I would guess that remorse is rarely responsible for big swings in polls. Events and crises, gaffes, blunders, stunts, changing the composition of the survey respondents, the pollster's bias, all these things change polls, and that's particularly true this year with all the intensity, action and political gamesmanship, particularly from McCain.

I poked around looking for any research that actually attempts to quantify the existence of buyer's remorse as applied to survey respondents. The only thing I found was a ballot measure in Oregon, in which the survey asked people about a measure that had already passed. After seeing its consequences, a majority, indeed, had "buyer's remorse." The term is thrown around constantly without evidence, but even in a fair share of those instances, the write is referring to voters regretting actual votes for candidates, not survey responses.

The point is you actually have to buy something before you can experience "buyer's remorse."

By the way, I know this will never change, but I'm soooo tired of reading the same misleading crap from the same single-minded posters who either cannot read (or write, for that matter) or are on someone's payroll. You're not doing yourself or your candidate any favors when you spout ridiculous talking points day after time-wasting day. Anyone looking for guidance here is looking in a lot of places. When you can't spell or assemble a complete sentence, lie purposely or by omission, especially when the facts are well-known, you just make your candidate look worse.

Senator Russ Feingold on the bailout of Hanky Pank's pals

“I will oppose the Wall Street bailout plan because though well intentioned, and certainly much improved over the administration’s original proposal, it remains deeply flawed. It fails to offset the cost of the plan, leaving taxpayers to bear the burden of serious lapses of judgment by private financial institutions, their regulators, and the enablers in Washington who paved the way for this catastrophe by removing the safeguards that had protected consumers and the economy since the great depression. The bailout legislation also fails to reform the flawed regulatory structure that permitted this crisis to arise in the first place. And it doesn’t do enough to address the root cause of the credit market collapse, namely the housing crisis. Taxpayers deserve a plan that puts their concerns ahead of those who got us into this mess.”

For those reading the Nocera article from the NY Times, I thought you might like his bio

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/bio-nocera.html

Yeah Corey Boo Champ

Go Dodgers!!!!

Yoo hoo Jamie!

New Mexico Looks Less-and-Less Like a Toss-Up, 5 Weeks Till Votes are Counted: In an election for President of the United States in New Mexico today, 10/01/08, Democrat Barack Obama defeats Republican John McCain 52% to 44%, according to this latest SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for KOB-TV in Albuquerque. Compared to an identical poll released two weeks ago, both candidates' numbers are unchanged.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3003b182-f468-4c5f-960e-f0d72672cdac

When you can't spell or assemble a complete sentence, lie purposely or by omission, especially when the facts are well-known, you just make your candidate look worse.

Posted by: Mike Farrace | October 2, 2008 9:53 AM

Mike...the candidates and their campaign staff do a much better job of this than some lacky surrogate on a blog.

"we need Real Change - Barack is not"

And McCain is? And if so please explain.

11 Racist Lies Conservatives Tell to Avoid Blaming Wall Street for the Financial Crisis

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/101127/

Ping or anyone,

I honestly don't know much about F & F, but are there specific rules under their legislation that lawfully permits or encourages finance officers from not doing the due diligence in loan application reviews and the selling/purchasing of securities backed by these loans. Or are all these problems loans and securities sales done with a wink wink, nod nod in the name of social policy?

I have the tendency to believe that a bunch of these problems occurred because of greedy people not needy ones.

Mike....the campaigns employ the simplest of techniques...

half-truth

Definition

a statement or account containing only some of the facts, the rest often being left out so as to deceive

and I might add. it has an honest sounding name...the half truth. In her latter years, my Mom suffered from dementia...her comments, explanations, etc. always had a thread of truth in them, but the rest were some wild made-up events. It was very difficult to sort out the 'truth,' but it was there and lead to an assumption that the rest 'might' be true.

Thx KGC,

That article you linked goes a long way in answering my question.

KCG - at work so can not complete a total review.

quick points from Ping
Some good in the CRA - which points to Social Responsibility and equal treatment - which do not conflict with fiscal policy.

The failure of this article and in fact it does appear at the end to agree on the cause - is it actually does not dispute the problem.

Social reform should not conflict with fiscal policy - regardless of the point of orgin - local bank or federal gov.

And as stated both Rep and Dems are at fault.

sturge, re your 8:52. great book. so prescient.
in chap xiii of same, the peter placebo ("an ounce of image is worth a pound of performance") is put forth as "...well understood by politicians at all levels. They will talk about the importance, the sacredness, the fascinating history of the democratic system (or the monarchic system, or the communist system, or the tribal system as the case may be) but will do little or nothing toward carrying out the real duties of their position."

I am in no way blaming the CRA

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153495

Didn't say Richardson couldn't do it. Just said that I didn't want him to. :-)

Oh well the state still has Cloudcroft which is a saving grace. Another place on the map to consider for a Trailmixer get together

http://cloudcroft.com/

Ping

The point of the article is CRA is not to blame for the current problems. Are you suggesting it is ok for financial institutions to discrimate on the basis of race and geographic location?
The purpose of CRA is to end using factors other than financial worthiness to give loans.

My appointment has been postponed, and I am one grumpy super hero.

ping pong,

I presume that you mean the unsound social policy of pandering to the ruling class by overriding sound fiscal policy embodied by the old Federal Estate Tax?

However, you might mean:
1. the social policy of giving a sound & economy-boosting education to all American children, regardless of class, despite the added tax burden,
2. the social policy of enforcing Anti-Discrimination, Anti-Trust, Anti-Racketeering, Anti-Terrorism, FDA, OSHA, and Clean Air and Clean Water laws, despite the burdensome legal costs,
3. the social policy of providing a GI Bill of Rights for all our veterans, again, despite the added tax burden.
4. and the social policy of insuring all Americans against catastrophic health care costs, rather than having poor people dying in the streets.

Just what social and fiscal policies did you have in mind ?

*waits for pong to explain to us how McCain is change*

Jamie...I am there. White Sands is on the way...

"Got to go to a meeting"

Lucky timing, LOL!

Blond

I've only been a few times and love the place, just being high up in the mountains cool and serene and looking down on White Sands with the heat waves rising from the desert is worth the trip. My favorite place: The Lodge Resort

http://www.thelodgeresort.com/

Today's post is interesting. What about overexposure?
The story
The Obama channel

Channel 73 on the Dish Network is now The Obama Channel.

Obama's media buying strategy has been marked by a willingness to work the angles, and to try to pick up a few votes at the margins. The decision to go to everything from extensive radio buys to odd-hour infomercials reflects the fact that the campaign media buyers spend a lot of time thinking about how much persuasion any given dollar can buy, and given a very cheap format -- late night cable channels that need filler, for instance -- will settle for a thimblefull of persuasion.

a comment
[new] Obama has become Oprah (none / 0) (#13)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Obama_channel.html

"The Obama Channel... if you didn't think you were getting All-Obama-all-the-time from MSNBC and CNN, now Obama gets his own channel so you can get bombarded ad nauseam.

Sometimes, people can be overexposed. And then people get tired of you fast. I know I'm tired of him. "

Who needs to worry about buyers remorse when you have the voting machines in your pocket?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/homer-simpson-tries-to-vo_n_131119.html

Raw Thought: Who Writes Wikipedia?

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia

Jamie...the lodge is great....and I love the back road to Ruidoso (which is recovering from a summer flood). The drive to Cloudcroft is amazing...lots of food along the way....chile, pistachios and wine.

FBI, CIA Scriveners Edit Wikipedia Entries

Wikipedia allowed slanderous edits on my entry for months before "self-correction" kicked in. ... on Wikipedia," Ludwig De Braeckeleer wrote for OhmyNews ...

"According to Reuters, “CIA and FBI computers have edited entries in the online encyclopedia Wikipedia on topics including the Iraq war and the Guantanamo prison, according to a new tracing program.” No doubt, as well, the FBI and CIA have made other changes to “the world’s most important online encyclopaedia,” editorial changes not as grandiose as expanding former CIA chief William Colby’s entry, dumping a chart on Iraq casualties, or removing satellite images of the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. You can bet they edited scads of lesser entries as well."

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=169&a=3223

I should add:
5. the social policy of incarcerating dangerous felons (except prescott jr and neil bush) despite the onerous costs of keeping criminals behind concertina wire and feeding them,

6. the social policy of requiring all air controllers and airplane pilots to be trained and licensed, despite the tax burden,

7. the social policy of preventing moonies, the bagwan, Hare Krishna, and other religious fundamentalists from posting THEIR 10 Commandments, and teaching THEIR creation theories in public schools, despite the enormous enforcement costs,

8. the social policy of forbidding postal and wirefraud, phishing and Nigeria scams, despite the enormous costs to control this, America's only growth industry,

9. the social policy of outlawing slavery, despite the increased popularity of the practise, and despite the cost of enforcement,

10. the social policy of letting Justice well up like the waters, and Righteousness like a mighty stream, despite the fact that it entails rendering unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's ?

Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama has expanded his lead nine points over the last three
weeks in Michigan, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling. He now
leads John McCain 51-41 in the state after holding just a 47-46 advantage immediately
after the Republican convention.

Another factor helping to drive Obama’s improved standing in the state is Sarah Palin’s
rapidly declining popularity. Immediately after the GOP convention 45% of Michigan
voters said her selection made them more likely to vote for John McCain, compared to
just 35% who said it made them less likely to do so. Since then there’s been a 14 point
drop in her net favorability, with 43% now saying her selection makes them less likely to
vote Republican and only 39% saying it makes them more likely to do so.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Michigan_1002685.pdf

Wikipedia's single-entry bookkeeping problem
"'You can see the answer in the current struggle over the entry on George W. Bush. It’s been frozen because people had been editing it and revising the edits way too often. If you visited the page you never knew if you’d be reading about Bush the Strong or Bush the Demonic.

There’s a discussion here. And here’s a request for mediation, part of wikipedia’s dispute resolution process, which is quite fascinating, sensible and humane.

But the problem is endemic to encyclopedias and ultimately to the structure of knowledge itself. The problem is that there can only be one wikipedia article on Bush but there isn’t only one truth about Bush. Or about anything, for that matter. So, the wikipedia community self-polices itself into a voiceless ground-up objectivism that can reduce complex matters to what can be agreed upon by consensus.

Perhaps multiple truths deserve multiple pages. Isn’t that why the Web itself has succeeded?"

http://many.corante.com/archives/2004/09/17/wikipedias_singleentry_bookkeeping_problem.php

RCP credible?

You would expect to find poll aggregators to be in competition, but 538 makes some credible criticism of RCP.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/real-credibility-problems.html

w, wiki

I guess multiple truths might be better than half truths, but weaving a thread of truth in some bs creates a wonderful half truth. Which is really a lie wearing some truth assessories.

Thoughtythread from blistersyeahbutchannel

The US Presidential Election
White Guilt or the Bradley Effect
Discuss Among Yourselves

This is the kind of leadership and example we need going forward in America...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3619502

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153525

KGC

I'm at "Just make him President and put him to work and don't let me see him anywhere near a TV camera other than the innaugural galas and State of the Nation speech". After that don't surface until 2011. Follow the biblical direction, "By their good deeds thou shalt no them". lol

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153446

Dog's eye -- That Malkin piece is being widely circulated in PUMA land --- along with other articles by the usual incendiaries which are now the regular reading material of the supposedly disaffected DEMS. As a staunch Hillary supporter I am still on many of the PUMA lists, and this stuff fills my inbox everyday. I usually delete it whilst shaking my head in deep disappointment in these misguided, discontented Democrats. I have no doubt that the GOP frequently fans of the flames of PUMA land.
The virulent anti-Obama stuff coming from the long-time enemies of HIllary is not to be trusted, but try telling that to the PUMAs.

Unlike the PUMAs, I've come to believe that my support for HRC is not served by tearing down her principle opponent in the primaries nor by tearing down the Democratic party, with which I agree more often than not.

I still love Hillary, but I'm voting for Obama.

Ping Pong, Rezdog -- Yes, thank you for reminding me that it happens every day from both sides. And by the way, I respect Craig Crawford. I think he has been pretty even handed over many months and it's not necessarily his fault he's required to be glib and incisive every single day.

I also get tired of the "debates" between surrogates on TV -- who doesn't? I heard Matthews say something like "wow, you guys are great, two true professionals, folks," after one of these talking point duels that added NOTHING to the conversation. Talk about wasting time. That's why I like Gergen and even Buchanan. Gergen is almost always objectively analytical, and even Buchanan, a partisan but very intelligent and seasoned old hand, will often let go of his prejudices and get real. But then again, these are smart people that really do understand things. Not many are that credible. If smart, educated and honest people were making the arguments all the time, I wouldn't care if they were partisan. It would be fun and I might actually temper my views as a result. The way they do it now adds nothing 99% of the time and just polarizes everyone.

And the ads -- my God, you would have thought putting the candidate's personal imprimatur on each ad would have curbed the abuse. Most of the time I just slough it off, but there have been several times this election where I just simply stop, dumbfounded, that a candidate would let his name be put on some of this stuff. I'm a longtime Democrat and an ardent Obama supporter, but I cringed at a couple of his ads -- most notably the weak and petty criticism of McCain's ability to use a computer. It was an embarrassment to good Democrats.

But the mistakes the Obama campaign has made in this area pale in comparison to McCain's claims. Their campaign has violated the truth numerous times and often after the facts have been established and accepted. You really have to question a guy's character when he not only routinely distorts the truth, but does it even when he knows we know. It's insulting to voters and I think that catches up with you.

Conversely, I think Obama has done a good job of preserving his character. Whether you agree with him or not, he seems like a person who will do the right thing. I think this general impression inoculates him to some degree from character attacks from McCain. They have gotten a little traction, but not much. Of course, the McCain campaign will almost certainly throw everything at Obama, including the kitchen sink, but that won't happen until the last minute. We'll see how he holds up to that.

It just occurred to me that when a candidates character truly does come into question as McCain's has recently, maybe this can cause supporters to have buyer's remorse. When you think a guy is honorable, and then he disappoints you time after time, you might just regret that original decision. Of course, being partisan, I can't imagine buyer's remorse from Obama supporters, at least not until he has had a chance to govern. But I can easily see how long-time McCain supporters might be experiencing it now.

But the whole thing about buyer's remorse in the polls is nuts. In my entire adult life, I have been called by exactly one pollster, who cut me off in the middle of the survey and hung up. To think that people are being polled twice in a week or two to somehow indicate remorse just doesn't make sense.

Oscar Wilde's, insightful quote; "A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

That statement aptly describes the Democratic party which allowed a flawed primary process, capped off by the injection of race by the reprehensible J. Clyburn to have chosen their nominee Obama. The DNC party leaders and the MSM have partnered in crime to elect Obama, in spite of his apparent inimitable weakness. Yet
paradoxically, I was in awe that such a weak, timid man could find the guile and cunning to praise Reagan and debase Bill Clinton, his character and legacy. The Dems led by Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile knew the price to be paid, and with ready money killed equity and decency itself, and I for one cannot follow such company.

This stain will endure, indelible, just as glaringly as Clyburn's use of the race card, that time will not assuage, nor time remedy.

PUMA - "Obama, a weak man for tough times."

toast

Palin: Deep South Skeptical Too

But Thomas, a one-time supporter of President Bush, said McCain running mate Sarah Palin's recent interviews sealed his decision to vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

"She's not prepared at all," Thomas, 70, said as he loaded groceries into his car outside a Sam's Club warehouse store on the outskirts of Huntsville. He said listening to Palin argue that Alaska's proximity to Russia was a foreign policy credential "frightened me to death."

"I went out on the golf course Thursday and that was what everyone was talking about," Thomas said. "They're very frightened about McCain and his age ... and to have Palin a heartbeat away."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/palin-deep-south-skeptica_n_131148.html

I wonder if the Palin pick will go down as one of the great political blunders of all time.

Alicia the simple fact is that in my opinion many if not most of the currently active PUMA are plain old racists using Hillary to hide their racism behind.

A question for PUMA's...

I can get not liking Obama...how can Michelle Malkin become regular reading for the group? Is Coulter on there too?

anyone ever feel that this blog sometimes sounds like the mad hatter's tea party? we bounce around the table from tea cup to tea cup. we spout off like the march hare "you should say what you mean!" another answers like alice "at least i mean what i say" then our dormouse mumbles some profoundly vapid inanity and we go around the table again.

off to work...have a safe day...no universal health care yet...early voting in New Mexico begins next Tuesday.

I will be voting for the democratic candidate.

Mike Farrace: Post Oct. 2, 2008, 9:53 am

I like what you said, good points up to when you insulted me and others. I speak (and think) in two languages, English and Spanish, dropped out of School to join the Military,received my GED while in the Marine Corps, and have had to work since getting out.Only had time for 2 yrs, Public College. On my own I have learned how to read construct what is on blue prints, take offs, costs, management, etc, extensive sales and New paper advertising sales.

This is not even close to the experience and intelligence on this blog,( just defending us dummies that come here to learn, somtin for nutn) hell I cn't even spell nutin whright .
BUT I am not stupid or others that lurk, and do not post----it took over a year for me to post, and even with all the bullshit that occurs, it's intimidating and a little nerve racking for me but having a lot of fun, and continuing to learn on my own, what I want, when I want, It's a blog take it easy, show me another blog that is even close to this one( compared by at least 1 yrs time) but make sure that it is informative, ( not only politics, I don't really come here for whats been out there forever, just diff people doing and saying the same) funny--you can't forget this one, and caring etc, yes caring---even with all the family spats ( I'm one of 11--Ma and Pa had no tv on the ranch, and only one hobby,) My dad had smarts, could read comics and western novels, he once, that another story huh, oh yeah back to spats around here, I think these people will be around after the elections are over, and we can see how many other blogs like this one have endured. Thanks.

Toast: love string theory----the theory of everything--It's been awhile since I read Proff, Greens The Elegant Universe, anything new out there,? is it conclusive ? thanks.

Corey, Jamie, Hey stop that I's sensitive I know you don't like me when I take Champs side, but he's right GO CUBS, and Sox, If they both are in the W.S. or only one of them, Obama can ride their coat tails. I Constructed a roof top restaurant by Cubs park, had some major problems with the owners, but I will kiss--no I won't but I will put one of them in a head lock until I get a seat, I know a few little secrets--ha.

break from meeting,,,

How is McCain different, Not sure - Obama kepts driffting towards the middle.

at least McCain is talking about fiscal responsibility.
At least McCain was the first to call for accountability with the agency head - literal
McCain will be less likely to allow crossing the line of fiscal irresponsible actions
McCain is not a bigot or idiot
McCain is the game changer

If I need to help explain the Liberal elements of Barack by action - not his Words Just Words, I will be happy to later tonight.

I gotta get back to the evil capitalistic world that rewards accomplishment -

Which leads to another question....

Mx pong,

The point is, all governmental policies are social, as governments, societies, and markets are all social by nature.

Fiscal policy exists for the purpose of supporting social policy, rather than the reverse. Fiscal policies adjust the mechanisms for gathering the resources that support social policy.

To allow fiscal policy to drive social policy is folly. The technical term for it is "backasswards". A military analogy would be to adopt a policy that we only fight battles on odd-numbered days, because we have only half the bullets we need in order to fight every day.

Whenever the cost of social policy outruns the resource provided by the fiscal policy, one or more adjustments should be considered, lest the polity become bankrupt. The terrors of our credit crisis appear to stem from a corporate fatcat preference for the social policies of big honking bonuses (another technical term) over the fiscal good of incomes derived from outstanding mortgages. Obviously, corporate fatcats and their gucchi-shod lobbyists don't live fiscally responsible lives, and it is now up to people who slave for $30k/yr to save the day. You may have noticed that no one is offering the real heroes of the day any multi-million dollar bonuses. Perhaps, mx pong, you might want to bring your Q up at the next Lehman Bros Board meeting. [ :>D)<

Btw, questions composed of buzz words linked to form glistering generalities may seem rhetorically clever when they are spoken in the heat of a sound bite. However, when they are seen in print, the poverty of the thought behind the questions is more easily noticed. To me, they resemble, "Which is more important breathing or eating ?" Naturally, the glisteringly general answer is "Yes."

SolarCrete - do what I do.... Cc Paste from Word.....

See ya all later.

And Craig - Did you agree with my post yesterday using your statements or did i Mis use them?

Not back until late tonight

Pogo nothing you said indicates change in any way, shape, or form. Slapping the label of change on your candidate aint enough, the nation wants REAL CHANGE. John McCain is anything but!

xrep - I now doubt that you ever truly republican now.
Social Policy grew into the albatross that it is today.

This very fact is the stumbling block for Barack and back at you – the reason his Oratory is filled with such pandering statements as if and once the cover is blown and the American people learn - Then they may not support his socialistic values over fiscal responsibility.
It is actually that simple. He is a Liberal. Do not be ashamed of this fact, but be honest about it.

Mx xrepub – which again I begin to doubt as we recapture the party – How can you say things like “Cost of Social Policy Outruns resources….

If the American People figure this out - it is a different game,

Amen, toast.

patd,

I don't think Alice in Wonderland is an appropriate comparison to this site because if you read the story, it is in and of itself a logical proof. Each chapter is a logical proof...heck, even page is a logic proof. I still have nightmares from my High school geometry class...during the logic part of the course, every quiz or test was to do the proof of an AIW page or chapter...sucked then...worse now...

On a happier note...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/david-letterman-top-ten-t_n_131125.html

Alicia Knight,

I am proud to read you.

Confidentially, I think the millions of $$ that mccain is paying folks like milquetoast and chloe to pretend to be PUMAs is a losing proposition. There probably aren't more than 3 or 4 real PUMAs left in any of the swing states. These few are probably what republican like to call "Shrill Feminazis", who are deluded into thinking that Palin is one of them.

Cat I didn't say Hillary is a racist, you're trying to twist what I said, or you didn't comprehend it. go back and read my post.

Craig could the buyers remorse come from what caused this Mother of all Bail Outs in the first place. A Crap Sandwich the American People are turning their noses up at. Who can blame them. And who is really to Blame for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac getting us to this point. C-Span kind of keeps a record of this. Follow the money who benefited?

The End Of the World getting pushed back again due to scheduling conflicts:)

http://rattlergator.typepad.com/rattlergator/2008/10/moving-the-money-from-wall-street-to-main-street.html

milquetoast -- Although your oblique post seems to have a point, I cannot find it. Is it a collection of loosely-strung, high-minded cliches from a bygone era?

James Clyburn, rather than playing the race card, was trying to make sure it was not played, either subtly or prominently after Hillary, talking about Martin Luther King ended up strangely crediting Lyndon Johnson for civil rights, and after Bill tried to superimpose Jesse Jackson's face on Obama's campaign, both within a very close time frame. Quite a coincidence and, while subtle, quite transparent in its racial quotient, despite the Clintons' good record.

I don't remember Obama "debasing" Clinton (either the man or his legacy), only going toe-to-toe in a no-holds barred primary election in which both Clintons were pulling out all the stops. This is politics.

You refer to things not in evidence: his "inimitable" weakness, a word around which you perform an awkward dance in order to label him cunning, too. And what was the "price being paid" and why with "ready money?" Are you sure you're not quoting from an episode of Deadwood?

And just for the record, "time" can assuage or remedy nothing. People do that.

ahh heck, iv, you're taking all the fun out of it. on top of that are you saying we lack logic-wise here?

i was hoping to get a game going of naming the bloggers most like the queen of hearts, tweedle dee & dum, the cheshire cat......

oh well, back to parsing the pols

brain'''to continue to call honest 'fair open-minded
people racsist does not help obama at all'
i don't believe he would want you to do that
if you were to ask him''

Congressman Ron Paul Schools Bernanke on the Bailout Plan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv6rQ0U01Yc

As I said you either didn't comprehend what I wrote or you're trying to spin it.

Dear Solarcrete: I wasn't referring to you, but you are welcome to wear the comment if you think it fits.

The hated white sox are really the hostage St. Paul Saints, who were purchased by that awful comiskey and kidnapped to Chicago. I wish Minnesota's Washington Senators had won the division. Now, I'm getting grumpier. Well, maybe the Rays will clobber the no-good traitors.

At least the Phils won. I hope they squash bugs selig's vermin in the minimum.

Does Sarah Palin think "Red Dawn" was a documentary?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081002/wl_nm/us_russia_forces

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Dear Lord, Please let Joe Biden spotlight his strengths at the debate tonight, point out McCain's weaknesses & then just shut the heck up.

9 point lead in PA poll:

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/documents/Release_10_02.pdf

PUMAs are getting testy!

Inconsequential Voter,

re malkin and coulter,

Has coulter forced malkin to convert to big box church yet ? Do those 2 even acknowledge that the other exists ?

PRINCETON, NJ -- Registered voters currently prefer Barack Obama (48%) to John McCain (43%) for president, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update.

These results, based on Sept. 29-Oct.1 interviewing, mark the sixth consecutive day that Obama has enjoyed a statistically significant lead over McCain. He has generally been ahead of McCain since the financial crisis intensified two weeks ago, and for much of the campaign since June, apart from the week after the Republican National Convention in early September. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here.)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110917/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-McCain-Points.aspx

Mike

Please don't call me dear---on one hand, and then slap me with the other, there is plenty of that, that goes on around here already, don't add to it please, if you had just said that I or people like me wasn't the target, and not have said wear the comment if it fits, I would have slapped myself,but I can see that you are a good experienced puncher from another blog maybe? and I won't waste all the energy that won't get us anywhere.

Oh Boy We Won We Won We Won.
Obamarams

What did you win?

FISA, The Bailout, No Universal Healthcare, Surge in Afghanistan

Oh Boy We Lost We Lost We Lost

that is sparring with you Mike.

Buyer's Remorse

It's nothing new, we do it all the time, cars, all merchandise that we bring home from the store, or most. the time. buyer's remorse in our Politicians is a common thing--no?I don;t think we would have had BR if Sen, C was the D's candidate, now it sounds like some are having buyer's remorse for investing so much time as good followers of the two party system.

The MSM have buyer's remorse about some of the People that are supposed to report the news, without prejudice, I have buyer's remorse about a lot of things, but the truly sad people that have buyer's remorse are the ones that lost their homes

Fox is claiming that the Ifil book is ABOUT Obama which it isn't. It is about the history of black politicians from the civil rights era to today and isn't completed and the chapter about Obama hasn't been written as yet because it is the last chapter.

For McCain to claim Ifil is biased because of an unpublished book that has been known about long before this debate was scheduled is just more nastyness from an incompetent candidate and campaign.

Obama adviser suggests Gates as possible holdover

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gates

Interesting.

Under present circumstances, it would probably be an excellent idea to hold Gates over for at least the first three to six months of the new administration. He has demonstrated a good level of pragmatism and would be good to keep things running smoothly while suggesting replacements if he wanted to retire.

New Obama Ad In South Stars Bluegrass Legend Saying Obama Is "A Good Man"
By Greg Sargent - October 2, 2008, 12:36PM

Now this is a good ad. A Virginia Democrats sends over a new radio spot that Obama is airing in the southern part of the state -- it stars homegrown bluegrass legend Ralph Stanley vouching for Obama's values and character to the tune of some banjo pickin' in the background.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/new_obama_ad_in_south_stars_bl.php

McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html?showall

Different year, same lousy debate moderators. The Commission on Presidential Debates undermines our supposed representative democracy and Lehrer, Ifill, and whatever other cronies they hire are complicit.

Champ would you care to name some moderators of anywhere near equal experience that would suit you better than Lehrer, Ifil, Brokaw, and Schieffer?

I think Champ would like

Bill O'Reilly
William Kristol
Sean Hannity

To moderate debates...

For you log cabin Republicans, good to see McCain appreciates your endorsement...lol

http://www.washblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=21367#

How about someone who isn't on the payroll of a major corporation that receives advertising revenue from both campaigns? You people do realize that by making "campaign contributions", you are just funneling money to General Electric, CBS/Viacom, Disney, Time/Warner, and Disney, right?

...and you would be wrong, IV.

Desperate times call for desperate measures...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/west-virginia-mine-worker_n_131219.html

Subtract one Disney and add one "Newscorp" to my previous post. Thank you.

Newscorp owned of course by the loathsome Rupert Murdoch. Pretty funny that YOUR campaign contributions line HIS pockets.

more re mccain on ifill
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=31021

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153619

Champ, In the absence of an answer, we just have to use our imaginations.

An example of leadership in Union America...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/confronting-rac.html

Re SockHolm's comment about "holes in resume":

I think there are holes in your information search strategy. Does community organizer ring a bell? And your date for entering Harvard is wrong. The information you (seem not really to seek) is easily available on Wikipedia:

Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[12] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[13][14]

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[13][15] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[16] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[17] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.[18]

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153487

Mike Farrace, wow sorry my modest theory struck your nerves so, but at least i avoided the ultimate pundit cliche: "they haven't closed the deal" -- Thanks for comin out of the lurker shadows, always welcome intelligent and thoughtful comments like yours

To all -- i'm planning to get on and live blog the VP debate here tonight. join us

Afternoon, all.

I toldja the NRA anti-Obama ads hadn't started here, but they would. The fact that those miners in Morgatown took a day off to protest the NRA trying to use them to slam Obama is surprising, and heartening. Who knows, maybe the UMWA has decided to take Pete Townsend's advice to heart and "Won't get fooled again." But I doubt it.

champ. perhaps yu could be alittle more specific. Your dodge sounds like Palin trying to dodge Couric's "probing" follow up question about whether she could think of any SCOTUS decisions with which she disagreed.

Craig,

Does CQ have a "live blog" function so we don't have to keep using the reload arrows?

holly, you forgot pakistan in '81
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

OK, you talked me into it. I volunteer to moderate tonight's debate.

Pogo

It could very well be that all those dead miners courtesy of lack of enforcement of necessary safety rules and conditions under Bush has gotten to them. When you've attended enough funerals, it may be time to forget cultural influences and vote your best interest.

toast, I wouldn't set the sights so high for CERN. Discovering a few new particles would probably be more realistic than discovering evidence of parallel universes - and how woud we know that's what we were seeing evidence of anyway?

Don't listen to this on a full bladder because you will pee yourself from laughing...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephanie-miller/right-wing-world-from-ith_b_130358.html

Right Wing World from The Stephanie Miller Show
RSS stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com

jamie, they don't blame Bush - hell most of the ones I've met think he's pretty swell. They blame the mine operators. Most of the miners hate the fed inspectors even worse than they hate the owners. I think this is union leadership working with UMWA national. It's out of character for the local boys.

"Does CQ have a "live blog" function so we don't have to keep using the reload arrows?

Posted by: Jamie"

they do have something, Jamie, but i didn't think to ask for tonight. will try to set that up for next debate. good idea.

Well, I think I'll mosey along - this travelling doesn't come as easily as it used to. I need a nap. 'bye, all.

Sock - good comments re the moderators!!! I especially liked the point re Russert and gotcha questions, and I've always liked Gwen Iffil. I think she's pretty darn elegant.

Dutton - I got a kick out of you post on last blog with the article mocking Krugman's warning re the housing bubble.

I am bemused by all the comments I hear on the news etc that nobody saw this crisis coming. I think there was lots lof warning but no one wanted to believe it. Here in CA in the Bay Area, news programs were always remarking on the ubbble - could it last? Krugman and Cramer certainly talked about a coming crisis, but for a lot of reasons, people didn't listen.

Why all the fear over gotcha questions?

I went on a job interview once and I was asked how many gumballs you could fit in a VW bug. I was what is the most annoying song that was stuck in my head. I've been asked what is the easiest way to weigh an 8 foot python if it was just me, the snake and a bathroom scale...this was for a sales job.

The interviewers were trying to rattle me and see how I would react under the minor pressure of a sales position. If we can't expect the people who wish to run our country to think on their feet for more important matters then get rid of them...

Using the gotcha question theory, I guess Al Qaeda should have just dropped stink bombs in the toilets of the WTC to threaten and challenge us right?

From henrythefifth :

Here's the next headline:

McCain Suspends McCain Campaign to Deal with Emergency Collapse of McCain Campaign.

It's interesting that the people McCain is pulling out of Michigan are being moved to Florida and Ohio. My scenario builder now has Obama over 350. I keep looking for a state to shove back in the McCain column. :-)

If anyone is looking to get hammered tonight...let the ultimate drinking game begin...

http://palinbingo.com/

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/10/1/171917/937

TMP has a clip of McCain doing the morning shows today. He looks like a corpse.

Watch McCain's left eye. He may drop dead before Nov.

Mad Dog Palin

The scariest thing about John McCain's running mate isn't how unqualified she is - it's what her candidacy says about America

MATT TAIBBI

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin

McCain has pulled out of Michigan. By the way, can anybody answer me a question? What is Obama traveling in? He was in Grand Rapids this morning and then he was gonna be in East Lansing this afternoon. About 11:30 this morning, a un-marked big tour bus rolled through Holland. It was being followed by a News Channel 3 van. I just wondered if Obama was traveling in an un-marked tour bus. Maybe he was doing lunch somewhere near here.

Jamie-
I'm only at 276 on the Scenario Builder....do you have Indiana and Missouri in the Obama column?
~g

Gidget,

Yes I've given him IN and MO. I just have a strong feeling that one or more of the three coastal southern states is going to fall into the Dem column (SC, NC, or GA)

Corey

Here is a picture of the bus he has been using a lot

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/2369589752_7545bf48d9.jpg?v=0

Corey

He had an event in Grand Rapids at 9:30 AM and a rally in East Lansing at 2:30 PM

He is going to be in Nashville, TN tomorrow night.

Outstanding news about Michigan!

Bear-
Thanks for the Palin/Biden Bingo link. My GOP husband and his friends will be doing the Biden in the family room and my friends and I will be doing the Palin Bingo in the livingroom.
Sooooo...is it logical to assume the which ever group is drunker at the end, the other guy won?
~G

The Devil gets even

http://doodlechris.blogspot.com/

Here's the WaPo story on MI

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/02/mccain_pulls_out_of_michigan.html

Jamie-
Then you are the "best" case scenario and I am the worst....but Obama still wins!
I continue to have my doubts about Ind and Missouri.
NC seems plausable, although the economy there is quite good last I heard...a downturn might drive them to Obama.
The state I think might go to Obama is Florida.
~G

If anyone has buyer's remorse, it's msnbc.

Gidget

I've given him Florida but have PA in toss up. I think PA will go Obama, but right now it is still a fight.

I think the polls are under estimating Obama in PA, Rendell is no slouch when it comes to ground game.

yoo hoo jamie

New Mexico has been near the top of the list of “Red States” that Democrats hoped to “Turn Blue” in Election 2008 and Barack Obama is poised to do so with just over a month to go until Election Day.

While John McCain was up by two points in this key southwestern state a month ago, Obama now has a 49% to 44% lead in the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state.

Obama is viewed favorably by 53% of New Mexico voters, McCain by 47%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_mexico/election_2008_new_mexico_presidential_election

Appalachia is supposed to be a one of Barack Obama’s biggest weak spots. But judging from a surprise work stoppage at the Blacksville No. 2 coal mine in West Virginia, Mr. Obama evidently has some pockets of support there.

Last Monday more than 440 members of the United Mine Workers of America took the day off, halting production at the Blacksville mine. The union declared it a Memorial Day, largely to protest what union officials said was an anti-Obama ad that the National Rifle Association was filming at the mine.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/mine-workers-protest-anti-obama-ad/

Snap out of it! LOL

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html#comment-153668

I agree that PA could go Obama. This economic debacle caused by Bush and company should do it if nothing else does.

Richards staked out nude on a hill? Why punish us?

NEW THREAD

Frankly I think in a week or two the polls aren't going to matter all that much, baring unforeseen events (you can now preface everything I say with that phrase), I think the race is solidifying and it's all coming down to ground game. We've certainly heard a great deal about Obama's ground game, but very little about McCain, which is not a good sign for him, pity.

Posted by: Milquetoast | October 2, 2008 2:08 PM : "Since PUMA is a large and growing umbrella group with one common thread, we all supported Hillary and...."

At first, I thought this was just an ordinary republican whopper, but closer inspection shows that Milquetoast actually laid us a rare Double Whopper. What a prodigious prevaricator !

rove should give it a pay raise for that - if Milquetoast isn't rove, himself.