Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Unreal...

Yep...I remember when you made HRC the early favorite because she had a HUGE $20 million war chest. Who knew Obama was going to be able to raise that much by snapping his fingers? Quite a season it was...LONG, too!
I know someone in the Obama campaign who said she could reserve some good seats for the million-people event in Chicago's Grant Park on election night...too many people for me!

Craig,

Funny you say this, because my wife was on me tonight for sounding so pessimistic about Obama's chances. "I wish someone would start given him credit for all his done" was her comment. '"No one ever pats him on his back and says, you doing a good job"

Needless to say she was happy to point out your comments to me. Thanks a lot Craig. lol

Hey, Craig!

My wife and I were (and are) huge fans of Hillary in the primary, and she vowed NOT to vote for Barack after the Pennsylvania primary. I was a loyal but unenthusiastic Dem who supported the party choice for president.

The convention speech and especially the debates changed everything for both of us, and we now believe our candidate might actually be the "change we need" as a nation.

Is it so hard to imagine that Bill and Hillary Clinton were affected in the same way? It's undoubtedly wrenching to make the kind of political and financial commitment Hillary made without a direct political payoff, but surely they are not immune to a patriotic desire to make this country better.

~Tom Gordon

P.S.: It was good to see your smilin' face on MSNBC over the weekend.

Tomas, the same for me. I was very impressed by Barack Obama's convention speech and his cool demeanor and intellect during the debates. I had already said I would support Obama, but I was more confident than ever after those events that he would be a great President. Still a bit of sadness that Hillary isn't the nominee, but happy to support Obama.

Good to see you posting here by the way!

I thought that plumbago was going to bloom in Craig's yard in late summer.

Sorry, Craig - this time I don't agree with you at all, but you don't have to apologize and I can't think of one dirty name to call you.

Only time will tell, right?

Yes, the two of them together one who did not have sex with that woman, and Big Brother Obama who speaks no Ayers, sees No Ayers and hears no Rev Wright.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

I think in the end, this is good news. We have been slaves to our Mastercards et al for far too long. It's time to end the instant gratification and become fiscally responsible with personal finances. Savings needs to be encouraged.

DON'T BE A SLAVE TO YOUR MASTERCARD

Consumers Feel the Next Crisis: Credit Cards

By ERIC DASH
Published: October 28, 2008
First came the mortgage crisis. Now comes the credit card crisis.

After years of flooding Americans with credit card offers and sky-high credit lines, lenders are sharply curtailing both, just as an eroding economy squeezes consumers.

The pullback is affecting even creditworthy consumers and threatens an already beleaguered banking industry with another wave of heavy losses after an era in which it reaped near record gains from the business of easy credit that it helped create.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/29credit.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165377

It's amazing how desperate the Repugs are that they have to go back to a man who was involved in the Weather Underground when little Barack was only 8 years old.... LOL Off to work.

Barack choosing my hometown for his Bill moment affects me deeply. Consider me on board.

I love that you choose your partisanship so carefully, Craig!

Going back to the last thread with the link about possible experts to be on a cabinet, I was fascinated by the variety and the qualifications on offer. It struck me that at an election time where many voters are not thrilled with the quality of the candidates (yes, I know, Brian, UB, and others!) that the quality of available experts is being talked about. It gives me hope.

Anon - this was one of the funniest lines I've ever seen -
and the truest!

""McCain reminds me of the E Trade baby, he took his extra coin and rented Bobo the Clown. And under estimated the creepiness.

Posted by: Anon | October 28, 2008 6:25 PM""

Bow to your master!

carefully indeed Tomas, carefully indeed

but victory does not beget success

Best thread you ever wrote Craig, my hat is off to you!

:)

I don't get it. Why does Bill Clinton need Obama? He hasn't been elected yet, and even after he has been elected, does Bill Clinton become irrelevant without him? Is this about Hil'ry's campaign debt? Craig, nice photo, but please explain.

Craig I just got off the phone with Sheila, she's in bed, I read her the thread, she said "wow the fat lady has sung", LOL

And wouldn't Obama need Sen. Clinton's help down the road? I just don't get the one-sidedness of your post, Craig. Quid pro quo, at most.

Not that the Clinton's would pull their own October surprise to undermine the Obama campaign, but do they have the power to do so? There are a lot of us in the middle who are holding our noses to vote for Obama. I have no faith in the guy, but McCain is definitely a worse choice.

Are you saying the Clinton's are politically impotent?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165387

It's always better to be on the inside than the outside, especially if you want a special envoy gig every now and then.

Blue DC is a one sun solar system. Obama is about to pull off the greatest political story in the last 50 years. By winning the nomination he managed an upset nobody could have forecast. He is reshaping the political landscape of our country by the campaign he has run ( yeah Howard Dean), he will be our first black president and history has lined up to give him the opportunity to truly usher in a new era for America. I still laugh how people scoffed at Obama for discussing Reagan in the terms he did, but hindsight is proving his point!

Presidential race in Arizona a toss-up

TEMPE, Ariz. ––Republican John McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by two points (46 percent to 44 percent) in Arizona, a margin that makes the race too close to call, according to a new Cronkite/Eight Poll.

http://www.azpbs.org/horizon/poll/2008/10-28-08.htm

I'm going to bed, but let me leave you all with these words, the left is back! Night all.

SoetorObama can thank MSM. Here is an example of how he is being protected. The American people have not been told the TRUTH about him.
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Bias Gives Way to Activism

"The refusal of the Los Angeles Times to release a 2003 ...videotape showing Barack Obama lavishing praise on a former PLO operative and supporter of Palestinian terrorism against Israel is showing not just traditional media bias, but has crossed the line into activism.

... the videotape being intentionally suppressed by the Los Angeles Times is from a dinner party, a going-away event ...

Also present at the event? Unrepentent domestic terrorist William Ayers and equally disturbed wife Bernardine Dohrn."

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/bias-gives-way-to-activism.html

LOL

Craig ya killing me.... I know you wrote this to get more discussion going and make some heads explode, but hail mary man...
I am 100% in disagreement with you.

Take notice of what will happen after January 20th.
The Clintons have now campaigned hard for BO...
They will have that on their chest, eventhough BO neglected them, passed them the race card (with the help opf MSNBC and CNN), not even vetted HRC for the Veep spot and hasn´t kept his end of the bargain to help her out with campaign debt.... They kept on going for him
One mistake...Only one mistake he (BO) has to make aftyer his inauguration and it will cost him. Imeediately the media (parts) will come to ask what would HRC have done?

Bill needs Obama. For what?
He has his credentials and two mega mega social gatherings. HRC is at her best (probably) in the senate. She is campaiginig hard for some members to be elected into the senate. This will reward her...
After the election the Clintons will lay low and probabaly wait......
It won´t be that long....

A joint appearance today with President Clinton as part of the Obama's closing argument, I believe, is a great idea.

I must admit, however, that I thought the pain of the primary loss justified him not bothering. I thought Obama was doing just fine without an overt and enthusiastic help from the president. I said as much on my blog, http://mrsmart.wordpress.com on September 29, when the president first agreed to campaign solo for Obama in Florida on October 2.

I, too, was a staunch Hillary supporter in the primaries. I became an Obama convert and have followed this phenomenon and blogged since.

What did it for me was seeing the enthusiasm in a middle school cafeteria where I had gone to caucus for Hillary. I had voted in the primary for her in the morning in our two step process here in TX. Turned out, I was just one of five Hillary supporters in a crowd of nearly 500, nearly 100 percent Obama supporters.

Despite the pre election polls which showed Hillary with a good lead, TX ended up either tied or close win for Hillary or Obama, depending on who one believed. I knew then we had something special.

"I knew then we had something special."
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Hillary Backers Decry Massive Obama Vote Fraud

"Already in Iowa, the Obama campaign was breaking the rules, busing in supporters from neighboring states to vote illegally in the first contest in the primaries and physically intimidating Hillary supporters, they say.

But Lynette Long, a Hillary supporter from Bethesda, Md., who has a long and respected academic career, believes Obama’s victory in Iowa and in 12 other caucus states was no miracle. “It was fraud,”...

“After studying the procedures and results from all 14 caucus states, interviewing dozens of witnesses, and reviewing hundreds of personal stories, my conclusion is that the Obama campaign willfully and intentionally defrauded the American public by systematically undermining the caucus process,” she said"

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_voter_fraud/2008/10/27/144303.html?promo_code=2A89-1

The Barack and Bill Show .... Live from Orlando !

I'm curious about the info show tonight, will it be broadcast from the QVC studios in Orlando ?

Yep that Obama has never done anything, just came from nowhere, beat the 2 most powerful political machines in the history of the world, and did it all while being black.

GORDO -

"I really think we need more cowbell"

Pogo -

You know of course that GORDO has become your legal white whale.

Well I'm up Jonesin' for a poll . I don't care what kind a poll , hell I'd accept a house race at this hour.

Ahhh here's one -

North Carolina Congressman Robin Hayes, reeling from recent remarks about "Liberals hating real Americans," has lost his lead in North Carolina's 8th Congressional District race.

Hayes trails Democrat Larry Kissell 51-46 in a poll released Tuesday by Raleigh's Public Policy Polling. In its last NC-8 poll in August, PPP had the incumbent Hayes leading by five points.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/54893.html

Well,

This article (newsmax) that has been posted is a good one. Mainstream media will surely disregard it again, because their "God" is being accused......

I have read and know that what is in there is mostly true. We have seen NC and my family has experienced what the BO campign has achieved...
This and many more reasons is why I never will vote for the guy.
For me the struggle of the AA´s is still on even after BO will be elected....

here is another corrupt pol to add to the list.

Dianne Wilkerson has held a senate seat in Massachusetts for 15 years, but it looks at if her political career might be coming to an end. The Democratic Massachusetts Senator was arrested this morning on charges of corruption and extortion. It turns out, she had been under investigation by the F.B.I. for 18 months. During the course of the investigation, she had been filmed taking a series of bribes for various forms of manipulating legislation.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/10/29/affidavit_depicts_pol_manipulating_levers_of_power/

The "D - Listers" come out for Norm Coleman -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzDq1XiBpQ

Spoiler alert- Pat Boone is in this thing.

Palin will vote in Wasilla, AK on Election Day
Tuesday, Oct. 28 2008

FROM SHUSHANNAH WALSHE

According to Palin aides, Palin will return to Alaska to vote on Election Day.

She will travel to Anchorage the evening of Monday November 3rd and then drive to her hometown of Wasilla.

The campaign has not announced this officiallt yet. 10 days ago Palin told us in a plane press avail that she wasn't sure what the plan is and that she may vote by absentee ballot.

http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#30439f3,2008-10-28

Jason -

In light of 28 years of Reagan worship, ( There was a move to carve his head on Mt. Rushmore, and it took as long to bury him as some pharaohs, and they buried him with is airplane. )

Your God remarks just don't wash.

There are three states in which early voting has already exceeded its totals from 2004. These are Georgia, where early voting is already at 180 percent of its 2004 total, Louisiana (169 percent), and North Carolina (129 percent). Hmm ... can anybody think of something that those three states have in common?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/harbinger.html

Jason -

In light of 28 years of Reagan worship, ( There was a move to carve his head on Mt. Rushmore, and it took as long to bury him as some pharaohs, and they buried him with is airplane. )

Your God remarks just don't wash.

Posted by: Anon | October 29, 2008 5:05 AM

I know they don´t was with you Anon. I understand.
They wash for me, and others....
But I get your reasoning, however not logical. For me that is..... Give it a read once again. Maybe you´ll come to the EUREKA point.

Stay cool.

Jason -- People in the middle of the Rapture don't realize what it is. They just know it feels like getting high. Anon is getting ready for the world to change on November 5.

Good morning everyone.
Gordo- I am acquainted with a really neat woman and her partner who are personal friends of the Clintons, she was one of the 10 top Hillraisers in the country (think she was #2) and traveled with Hillary for nearly 2 years. Her partner told me about this months ago, they personally saw 2 bus loads cross the state line on primary day. She is a good Dem. though and despite the disappointment is and now busy raising funds for Obama.

Craig -- Interesting, if cryptic, post. What exactly does Bubba need from Obama. I don't think he's angling for a cabinet post. The only thing I can see that Bill and Hill need from Obama is that he govern well, and we can all merely pray for that.

"....Clintons were in charge of this election. I could not have been more wrong....."

did they not give more than helpful convention speeches? did she not graciously provide the roll call drama? have they not been campaigning in non-o venues for him? and did she not perhaps help bring her hordes of loyalists around?

craig, they might not have been in charge; but they were in control....

Looking forward to Craig being on Imus at 830 this morning. His posts often seem like rehearsals for his appearances. Patsi, Perhaps he'll answer your question " What exactly does Bubba need from Obama?" on Imus?

Ha -- I see I am not the only one thinking in terms of the "Rapture" this morning!

http://www.slate.com/id/2203193/

Patsi and Oldseahag,
And this is what we continue to do (me included)!!!!
We continue to dictate what the major parties tell us despite what they do and have done.
Even if they lie to us , even if they continuously manipulate us......
Because they terify us with the notion that the other party will win if we don´t vote or try to elect the one that is forced upon us...
We do that and will keep on doing it until we wake up as a country and take back the country that is rightfully ours, and aren´t afraid to be called whatever by whomever

What happened to all those complains, what happened to all those cases brought up by lawyers. We need to just suck it up and go on, because if we continue to complain we are naggers and sore losers?
People say that (sore losers etc) because it is convenient for them to have it their way. We swallow it, because we are afraid to stand out and give our true meaning...

Don´t know. I just hate it that dems have fallen in line this quicly (yet again) and forget what has occurred in the past months.

Interesting.... Scary

Are you Craig Bowing down to the anointed one?

I bow to my lord –

I would give respect for a well run campaign that has delivered on its theme – CHANGE.

Right now it is only a facade as NO HISTORICAL proof that Barack is now what is Words Just Words – he says he is… is - he says "I am the great I am" but he is not.

And had the Hate for Bush not been there with so many people – Barack could not have been the opportunist that he is

So Craig are you submitting to the new Entertainment wing sitting in the seats of Journalism – and their facade?

Or just giving opportunity captured its due?

Someone misunderstands your point

question?

Did Barack pay the big dog bill?

And This aint over yet....

Barack may need Bill in Florida - To really close the deal !!

So Craig... Maybe you rethink.

B is the grade today

You are right Jason. When I voiced my opinion regarding the fraud (and the 3 AM text message) she said she couldn't think about that until after the election. She is a powerful woman and needs to, like the Clintons, protect her place in the sun. I am nobody and even I feel uncomfortable speaking my mind, have found that it is just not worth it. Fortunately I'll be alone in the booth, Not that it much matters as I live in Ma.

"but victory does not beget success"- great line Craig, hang on to that one!

old sea.......I forgot to answer your query about sailing......I'm not much of a sea dog, I just got the boat in lieu of payment for a cabinet job....mostly I just wanted to putter about up and down the creek, until the longshaft kicker kicked it's last and since then it's sat on it's trailer (crank down keel) . If obama kicks up the economy I might wind up with time to fool with it again..........lol

nice build-up this morning for craig's appearance on the I-show...........

"His posts often seem like rehearsals for his appearances. Patsi, "

OSH -- good point, and thanks for reminding me about Imus.

Craig - You always had a season ticket!

I see you did try a few times to keep an open mind...

But even the strongest are truly weak...
So trying to fool others or yourself?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165380

"People say that (sore losers etc) because it is convenient for them to have it their way. "

Spot on, Jason. It is deja vu of 2000 when Bush grabbed the presidency. You didn't dare say anything to his followers, no questions, no criticisms. And once 9/11 happened, God a' mighty.

I see Eugene Robinson and others are already backtracking on EVERYTHING. He's now saying getting rid of the Bush tax cuts will be difficult in "these economic times."

Patsi -

Barack is already Baracking down the tax number..
His new infomercial calls for if you make 200K
And in talking points they are already down to 150K

This guy is NOT GOOD FOR HIS WORD...
A new word will be Obination for all the times he is going to stick it.

The writing is more then on the wall.

It is not to late.

PUMA it is up to you

Good morning Sturge and thanks for the reply. Your boat is in the same condition as ours, not good for much right now! Those creeks down there are beautiful, sounds like a good time. My brother has a place and a boat on the Satilla, but there are too many snakes and an occasional gator there for me! I'm a putterer too, my kids on the other hand are the faster the better. I can't stand a full heel. When I get some money I'm gonna buy myself a little zodiak (there is a dingy dock across the st. from my house) and set off with a cocktail or two.

Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived.
Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)

Those who know how to win are much more numerous than those who know how to make proper use of their victories.
Polybius (205 BC - 118 BC)

Fingers all crossed for Obama for and after the election. He's going to need the clintons and a lot more, even, over the course of the next 4 years.

I dont agree that clintons "need" the current O surge.....they will benefit from it, of course.....I think they take the long view of politics and know how to play, by taking it all in stride........I think those who projected "emotions" onto the clintons were probably off the mark.........all told, this all falls into the very wide category of "We shall see."

Ping -- be sure and check out this article in Slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2203193/

Sturg - Obama will kick the economy - an Economy that is already starting to correct because the FUNDAMENTALS are strong - and the impact of the Housing is starting to turn...

Obama can screw it up....

"all told, this all falls into the very wide category of "We shall see."

Indeed.

Old sea.......yep.....mostly Im hoping to trade down for a little one I can handle easily.........circumstances gave me far too much boat......

"I think they take the long view of politics and know how to play, by taking it all in stride"- well said.

Old sea........but the snakes and gators are all fresh water critters.......I'm on the salt side of the equation, no snakes, no gators in salt water creeks.......look up Bohicket Creek on google maps........

Patsi - Thanks very interesting..

"Obama irritates many of the reporters who cover him because he's so controlling and inaccessible" - these would be the remaining True Journalist.

You know what would happen if I could have 20 Min with Obama? I would take him down!

He is like the big Elephant affraid of the little mouse of truth... Unless he can define it

The writing is more then on the wall.

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 29, 2008 6:47 AM

IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR MONTHS!
But we are afraid to read it....

I am beginning top feel that a NON vote on November 4th is probably not effective.... I may rethink my strategy

Jason, I have been rethinking my strategy for the last month. Still haven't arrived at a decision.

CRAIG WAKE UP..

SLAP TO THE FACE !!!!!!

THEY PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR DRINK...

WAS BRAIN NEAR YOU?

SNAP OUT OF IT MAN

DO YOUR JOB

Ping Pong.......ooooooooooooh, NOW you've done it......you will now be mercilessly taunted (a second tah-mah) by brian the fierce, defender of the faith............lol

Sweet Sturge. The water looks pretty blue too.

The Rapture is an invention of the modern American Christan Right.
( The Bible doesn't mention it. )

I'm more like Bill Maher, and George Carlin. For me God is Wilford Brimley in dreadlocks.

fetchey le boche........lol

to the open minded - so the excludes a few on this blog

Who knows how many people are in the bleachers watching this side show that happens here on Craigsters list...

To all of those -
RETHINK IT.... And NOW!!!!

It is NOT TO LATE -
Just ask one question...

Who has not been truthful and this same person is the best Campaign.

Do not vote for a Campaign and the facade and a dream that could / will quickly become a nightmare

Do not buy into the “same as Bush” that capitalizes on the Hate of Bush

We must have balance- what a nightmare – Nancy, Harry, Barney all following the Pied piper over the end of the dock.

Dang Ping, what did you have for breakfast?

sorry Ping......but mr boosh has done you all in for this round.......if obama wins, you can lay it all at the feet of the last eight nasty, miserable, signing statemented, tortured, "go F yourself", "with us or against us", "bring it onish", guantanamoed, non-trickling trickeled down, Rumsfelded, Cheneyed, Neo-conned Years........the sons of bitches got it coming........

assuming that years have feets. lol

Ping -

You won me over I'm going for the 72 year-old man and the woman who speaks in tongues, plus flirts with secessionists that are witchcraft free .

So Ping we should all vote for fear and the continuing loss of our rights for security.

Why don't we just burn the Constitution then and get it over with.

That's what we'll get under a McCain\Palin win.

Daily Howler calls Bob Herbert on his hypocrisy:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/

Oldseahag.... Lots of coffee and getting ready to present my business plan for the next year... Scary stuff

STURG -- I agree 100% - but you have to add that every talking head for BHO says - we cannot afford the same bla bla bla and John McCain is..... that is why we are in the toilet
So the Barack Campaign has done the best job of saying Nothing and playing off of the Americans people dissatisfaction with Bush.

PROBLEM – Sorry Brain but the Truth is the failed policy is Bush was complacent and allowed bad fiscal policy – Bush bowed down - and I wonder if it was to compromise on war elements?

Barack IS THE SAME BAD POLICY – that is simply the facts

Sorry that we are seeing recovery to soon as Good News is Bad News for Barack - but maybe to late for John McCain

When it keeps going positive it is not as Barack will claim something he did other then put us down to begin with

"For me God is Wilford Brimley in dreadlocks."

I like that image a lot. In fact, if I had a picture of Wilford Brimley in dreadlocks, I'd build a little shrine to him in my kitchen.

Anon and Anon-P

Why did you read the post - it had a warning that only for the open minded.

Anon and Anon-P

Why did you read the post - it had a warning that only for the open minded.

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 29, 2008 7:27 AM

LOL........that's a goodern, Ping........

Sturg - I agree that the fat cat -- and all those names you used for the pretend weak @$$ people that called themselve Republican... They need to go..

Bush is weak and needed to depend on others.

Bush should have listen to McCain long ago and we would not have had the same issues in Iraq.

Thank god no one took Baracks position on the Surge

" the woman who speaks in tongues, "

ROFL. You're speaking with forked tongues, Anon. There's enough wrong with her social beliefs without lying.

Ping -

The only open thing about you is your pie hole.

CRAIG WAKE UP..

SLAP TO THE FACE !!!!!!

THEY PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR DRINK...

WAS BRAIN NEAR YOU?

SNAP OUT OF IT MAN

DO YOUR JOB

Posted by: Ping Pong | October 29, 2008 6:59 AM

hahahhahahaha
ya killing me !!!!!!!!!! Really...ya killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahhahaha

I gotta go back to my Factual world and finish my prep for the BIG BUDGET presentation.

So Oldseahag - I deal in facts and actual behavior to be the best indicator of future performance.

When I interview someone for a job - the first thing to establish is what did they actually do as the best and only indicator of future performance.

Then we do go into the hyper talk about what if, and If I could .. and all those things that the Barack Campaign facade has built.

Now it is possible that Barack really is changing, But time and time again the leopard does not change their spots.

I am sure about McCain -

Anon - another great intellegent post.

It is so good to see you show it

You make it so easy

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165414

Patd

Thank you. You beat me to it. The Clintons has done everything possible to pass the torch as gracefully as anyone could expect while the press did nothing but carp about where is she? where is he?

Obama is darn lucky they brought her voters around. Doesn't anyone remember all the "third party talk". Quite frankly this column by Craig makes me growl, "I haven't voted yet". The PUMAs may have been a Republican hoax, but the women who believed in Hillary's issues are the big margin that Obama needs for his landslide.

What do the Clintons need from him? The Senate. With Kennedy's illness, there is a power vacuum and because health care will be a major Obama issue, I do believe the junior senator fromf New York will be standing there filling it.

The new President will have his hands full with Iraq, Pakistan, and a world wide financial melt down. The new Veep will be a big help with the Middle East part of that job.

Having a brilliant ex president to handle all the natural disasters and funerals will keep those off his plate. DC may be a one sun universe, but you can bet the planets nearest the sun will be Clintons Prime and Secundus.

For everyone who thinks that we are on the road to recovery: BIG WARNING!
We are not there yet. believe me, we have not seen rock bottom yet. We have arrived in the eye of the storm now, I think that sums up quite nice what is next!

Oh Gosh I miss spelled intelligent

Sarah Palin's Church Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oUht68wTQ8

"I am sure about McCain - "

Ping, I'm sure about him too. And he's waaaay worse than the alternative.

As the Dixie Chicks sang, "There's your trouble..."

Sturg..... I couldn't put it better than your 6:49 if I tried.....
Bill needs Obama about as much as Gore does...... zero..... IMO....

Obama has run an amazing campaign...... I'll keep my fingers crossed that he will be an effective president.....

Jamie -- that Daily Howler link I posted is about Bob Herbert's column praising Hillary, after calling the Clintons "slimy" during the primaries.

" I deal in facts and actual behavior to be the best indicator of future performance.

When I interview someone for a job - the first thing to establish is what did they actually do as the best and only indicator of future performance.

Then we do go into the hyper talk about what if, and If I could"
This is what common sense tells me how it should be done. It doesn't seem to be going that way though in this election.. For your own safety though Ping, maybe you should switch to decaf?

Anon -- funny, I didn't see Palin speaking in tongues in that video. (I know a LOT of pentecostals who have nothing to do with "tongue talk.")

The Pentecostal church believes in speaking in tongues. Palin is a Pentecostal, so she MUST speak in tongues. Stone her.

Catholics believe when they take communion they are eating the flesh of Christ and drinking his actual blood....ergo, Catholics are cannibals. Lock 'em up.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-florida-poll-102908,0,7172297.story

Florida neck and neck -- Trend to McCain

It aint over

oldseahag -- Thanks -- it is as much the budget and trying to plan for the most uncertain year ever..... Lots on the line

OK PING - Stick to the work, stop the A.D.D.

What's wrong with a little witchcraft anyways? It's just the old ways.

Ping -

"Who has not been truthful and this same person is the best Campaign."

Clear sentence structure is the hallmark intelligence. You sometimes write like a sophomore who didn't take notes, but still has to write a 500 word essay. So the reader is subjected to that dense gook that conservatives believe makes them appear "smart".

Type Fundamental ..... rise, repeat

Type Fundamental ..... rise, repeat

Type Fundamental ..... rise, repeat

Pong-Good luck to you today! Sprinkle a bit of confectioner's sugar on your papers before submitting. No one will notice, might give you an edge up.

Et tu, Craig? Et tu? To me, Obama is the great player who a teams signs as a free agent. The city goes crazy and their fans immediately say, "This guy is gonna bring us a championship this year!" That's how I see things. The expectations for him are gonna be huge. He's gonna have a lot of people counting on him to turn this country around. Not to mention, Bill and Hillary needing him now!

Sorry- mean't to type Ping

Let me complete the point – in a conversational manner that may not be to the hypocritical standards of the elite narrow minded few.

Most uncertain year ever to budget– as of today – depending on the election – my budget has provisions for significant down turn IF Obama is elected and his big government, Big Taxes goes through.

Obama’s plans are Bad for Business, but hey we are evil

Jason is correct – we are seeing signs of the end of correction in housing but we could be in big trouble ahead.

OK Anon …… You can return to the program

Here's you God, Anon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pod4jIKT_kA&feature=related

This place is just trying to drive off all those who don't fully worship at the church of Obama.

You got that right, Corey. What a bunch of blasphemers we are!

I know, Patsi. I know.

Corey- Isn't that the truth.

corey......as it is written, so let it be.......I hear and I obey.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165451

I thought George Burns and Morgen Freeman were nice manisfestations of the being in question. Of course, if they had wanted to be accurate, Katherine Hepburn would have been cast while she was around.

Patsi -

I didn't say stone her, just don't vote for the "Whack Job".

I don't feel that praying for natural gas pipelines is the sort of thinking we need for the 21st century and all the problems it presents.

Sturge, sometimes a person's gotta think outside the box or blog. I have to do what people tell me to do enough at work.

Cory -

Sweet !

The story contrasts commonplace details of contemporary life with a barbaric ritual known as the "lottery." The setting is a small American town (population of approximately 300 and growing) where the locals display a strange and somber mood, from which unusual things can evidently be observed, like children gathering stones, as they assemble June 27 for their annual lottery. After the head of each family draws a small piece of paper, one slip with a black spot indicates the Hutchinson family has been chosen. When each member of that family draws again to see which family member "wins," Tessie Hutchinson is the final choice. She is then stoned to death by everyone present, including her own family, as well as both the young boys and young girls as a sacrifice to ensure a good harvest, according to the belief of the community.

wikipedia on the short story "The Lottery", by Shirley Jackson
"The Lottery" is a short story by Shirley Jackson, first published in the June 26, 1948 issue of The New Yorker.

The magazine and Jackson herself were surprised by the highly negative reader response. Many readers cancelled their subscriptions, and hate mail continued to arrive throughout the summer. In South Africa the story was banned. Since then, it has been accepted as a classic American short story, subject to many critical interpretations and media adaptations.

and I give to you the kingdom of the scorpion..... and the cobra..... and the lizard.....

Corey...... ROFL!

"I don't feel that praying for natural gas pipelines is the sort of thinking we need for the 21st century and all the problems it presents."

I don't think God has been paying any attention for a long time, anon. But, I don't even think kids should have to say the Pledge of Allegiance....so I'm already suspect.

that stupid pledge was concocted by foolmen during the McCarthy crap....1954.......and it's stupid, superflous, and extraneous.....

The un-official song for the non-believers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUIDjduGeY&feature=related

Thanks Renee!

oops////the "under god" part was in the fifties......the original was in 1892 by some preacher man......

Ahh Corey.... this place is an interesting study

And Anon, fellow Pioneers, hatters et el.

Ping did not mean a sting

;~)

Have a good day......

Tell Brian I say mornin peeps - and I take his 381!!
Dinner may be on me

I'm not trying to drive anyone anywhere, but if it's dogmatic drivel drive it in the ditch.

Students reciting the pledge on Flag Day in 1899The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be stated in 15 seconds. He had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided they were too controversial since many people opposed equal rights for women and blacks.

After a proclamation by President Benjamin Harrison, the Pledge was first used in public schools on October 12, 1892 during Columbus Day observances. This date was also significant as it was the dedication day of the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, Illinois. Bellamy thought that the pledge itself and the involvement of children across the country would be a fine show of national solidarity.

In 1923 the National Flag Conference called for the words my Flag to be changed to the Flag of the United States. The reason given was to ensure that immigrants knew to which flag reference was being made. The words "of America" were added a year later. The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Pledge as the official national pledge on June 22, 1942.

Students pledging to the flag in with the Bellamy salute.In 1940 the Supreme Court, in deciding the case of Minersville School District v. Gobitis, ruled that students in public schools could be compelled to recite the Pledge, even Jehovah's Witnesses like the Gobitases, who considered the flag salute to be idolatry. In the wake of this ruling, there was a rash of mob violence and intimidation against Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed its decision, ruling in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that "compulsory unification of opinion" violated the First Amendment.[2]

Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942.
---wikipedia

I like the part about why they left out equality and fraternity.......

Yet another Biden interview you probably never heard as Obama's team pressured the station to take it down.

http://tinyurl.com/ucanhearnow

Sturge, there was a kid in my 3rd grade class who was not allowed to say the "Pledge". I never understood why. It wasn't until I got older that I realized that he was a Jehovah's Witness. Many years later, I worked with 3 guys who were Jehovah's Witness. We were given red, white and blue ribbons to wear in honor of 9-11. They refused to wear them. A few people got really pissed about that.

"But, I don't even think kids should have to say the Pledge of Allegiance....so I'm already suspect."

Common ground ....

godwin's law alert

Sturgeone,

Up until WW II, the pledge was delivered with a "hitler" style salute. I still don't say "under God" because it was added after I learned the darn thing. We are still the only nation in the world that requires the public utterance of a loyalty oath by its citizens. Here's a short history on the silly thing

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

corey.......some mujician friends of mine who were relatively successful in a minor way and were away from here being successful for many years all came back at the same time in the early seventies as Jehovah's witnesses and tried to convert everyone they could.......they were friends and thereby gained great access to quite a few of the peoples around here, mostly local mujicians, and their families......how they ran their course and finally receded into the great oblivion is a great story.....

Palin will deliver an "Energy" address today, which brings up something that goes to this thread.
T. Boone Pickens-

His plan is is very smart, and I like it, but the left will never sign on to it because of 2004. But if Obama makes it into the white house, don't be surprised to see Pickens going in the side entrance.

Crawford on deck -

http://gateway.andohs.net/player/default_noax.aspx?nid=5637&sid=5637&customlogo=stationlogos/5637_b.jpg

There's no doubt that the pledge is purely voluntary. i realize there is pressure to conform but that's true about alot of things. I personally subscribe to its recital. I was at a function with vendor and during national anthem he stated that he doesn't believe in it.
I didn't say anything but I dropped him as a vendor the next day and will never use him again. I didn't confront him as I think its his right to feel that way. I just won't do business with him....as is my right.

mornin' all.

Craig, I usually agree with you, and may yet on this post, but I just wonder what Bill and Hillary need Obama FOR. Bill's no worse off than before the election - Hillary would have been better off had she won, but hey, sh*t happens. She's still a senator - arguably a much more formidible force in the senate than she was before the primaries. Maybe a cabinet post or SCOTUS appointment is a possibility, but I'm not holding my breath. So I ask you, what do they need Obama for?

Ping, I think you're micro analyzing who's good for business at the expense of the broader view of who's better for the economy that allows business to flourish. McCain has changed his tune on the economy from irresponsible tax cuts to perpetuate the tax cuts despite every indication that the tax cuts he has embraced and made part of his economic be all and end all have weakened the economy and hence the business climate. The jobs argument is crap - the gains Bush (read McCain now) touts as the result of growth in the economy as a result of tax cuts have evaporated with the "growth" they produced. You are mischaracterizing Obama's proposals - which are essentially to return to the tax sructures that existed under Clinton, and which were less onerous for business than under Reagan. Problem is, the wonderful results for business of the policies you think McCain will continue to embrace are not borne out by results in the economy. If past performance includes endlessly repeating stupid catchphrases that are just meant to appease voters and choosing incompetents for positions of importance, McCain's your man. If there's a closed mind here on McCain, it's yours.

The Obama team doesn't react well to interviews where tough questions are asked of them. They think they should be subjected to questions asked by the hard hitting news anchor Brian Williams who was more interested in fluff, Obama's attire.

Since we like to site polls every 5 minutes here, here is something that has to have the Obama supporters scratching their heads. With all the big hoopla, the strong bias support of the news media, his coffers over flowing with cash, why does does Gallup only have Obama him up by 2 points? 10% of undecided have not committed.

For those not listening, Craig just announced the book he is writing with Helen Thomas and it will be published by Scribner. Working Title: LIsten Up Mr. President

It is about why Presidents succeed or fail.

Morning peeps!

Helen Thomas

Party animal ?

Hey Jamie did you see that AZ poll I posted earlier, McCain by 2 in the state, amazing.

Anselm

Noticed you quoted the "likely voters traditional" rather than what Gallup considers the more realistic with this election of "likely voters expanded" with a six point lead

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

Sturge, the guys who were Jehovah's Witness. had rules about birthdays and holidays etc...We would have a potluck at work for someone's birthday and they wouldn't take part in it, because it was against their religion. Then, during our 2nd break one of them would eat a piece of birthday cake. I would say, "Jose, that cake is a birthday cake. It was brought for our birthday potluck. The one you couldn't participate in. I thought that was against your religion to eat birthday cake?" He would tell me, "That was for our 1st break. Now that birthday cake has no meaning. I can eat it." I thought he was quite hypocritical about it. I asked another guy/fellow Jehovah's Witness about it and he simply said, "Jose is a bad man."

Brian,

I told you ages ago that McCain just might not carry his home state. It really comes down to the Hispanic vote and whether or not the older folks who spend the winter there vote in Arizona or in their home states by mail.

Congrats on the book deal Craig!

good one, CC........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165509

Yep. Helen likes to go to these big Washington events and Craig is often her escort.

Of course he is running out of limbs to break, so they probably should avoid the cocktail circuit once the book is published. :-)

Latest Op-ed from that Party Animal Helen -

Bush again breaks wall between church, state

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/385205_thomas28.html

Another famous senator from Arizona who lost...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Csj0Ob4_uY

actually a really good one, CC......you hit all the marks with a snappy step.........

"Whack" or "wack" ?? That is the question. Looks like either works...

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-out2.htm

Pogo, et al.,

This extract from Federalist Papers 68 seems to support the VP as being a legislative member while not being a legislator:

"The Vice-President is to be chosen in the same manner with the President; with this difference, that the Senate is to do, in respect to the former, what is to be done by the House of Representatives, in respect to the latter. The appointment of an extraordinary person, as Vice-President, has been objected to as superfluous, if not mischievous. It has been alleged, that it would have been preferable to have authorized the Senate to elect out of their own body an officer answering that description. But two considerations seem to justify the ideas of the convention in this respect. One is, that to secure at all times the possibility of a definite resolution of the body, it is necessary that the President should have only a casting vote. And to take the senator of any State from his seat as senator, to place him in that of President of the Senate, would be to exchange, in regard to the State from which he came, a constant for a contingent vote. The other consideration is, that as the Vice-President may occasionally become a substitute for the President, in the supreme executive magistracy, all the reasons which recommend the mode of election prescribed for the one, apply with great if not with equal force to the manner of appointing the other. It is remarkable that in this, as in most other instances, the objection which is made would lie against the constitution of this State. We have a Lieutenant-Governor, chosen by the people at large, who presides in the Senate, and is the constitutional substitute for the Governor, in casualties similar to those which would authorize the Vice-President to exercise the authorities and discharge the duties of the President."

I did not find anything more to the point than the above extraction.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fedpapers.html

Yes Craig congrats on the book with Helen, should make for a good read.

Craig....
can't wait to get my hands on that book.....

Helen Thomas is a Goddess!

Corey..... can you hear me sing?
I'm a troublemaker..... never been a faker....
that's why I've rebellion in my name.....

How will Obama, should he be elected, prevent business, big or small not past his tax increases onto the consumer, or reduces their work force, increasing the unemployment rate? Does any sound minded individual believe that business is going to sit back and incur even more loses during a economic turn down? The tax cuts he is promising you will be swallowed up by the increase cost of everything. Then when 2010 rolls around with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, you'll lose even more money. Have you noticed the figure used to signify who is rich has been dipping: $250,000, then $200,000, and recently old gaff Joe just the other day reduced it to $150,000. They only have to go another $75,000, and they will be right back to where Obama first began. It is there in black & white for all to read.

"Bill Clinton eat his crow "

Sure he will, lol

"the verge of winning the presidency without the former president or his wife, Hillary"

The Clintons have been a major reason the Democratic party is as unified as it is. They worked hard to bring their supporter around to support Obama.
Yes, Obama needs them.

As to Bill campaigning with Obama ? Well It fits their strategy. They play the game at a very high level and they have a plan of some sort. What it is I'm uncertain but does involve using their network they developed during the campaign to promote and expand Hillpack.
I have found the emails from the Clintons interesting in what the include and what they don't.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/bill-clinton-needs-barack-obam.html#comment-165521

hmmmmmm, The Federalist Papers.

Pogo

An interesting comment with a link to an article about the direction the bank bailout is taking.

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/sending-moeny-t.html

Jack

THE CLINTONS ARE PARASITES. ITS A BEAUTIFUL THING TO WATCH THEM GROVEL !!!!!

Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 29, 2008 7:58 AM

Great analogy, Corey.

McCain is getting his clock cleaned in PA,