Ayers Flap Drove Powell to Obama

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Colin Powell's disdain for John McCain's presidential campaign tactics seems to have clinched his decision to vote for Barack Obama, announced today on NBC's "Meet the Press."

powell_obama.jpgIn an impromptu post-show session with reporters outside the NBC studios, Powell gave a lengthy, detailed and impassioned response when asked a broad question about the influence of the campaign's negativity on his endorsement. It was a clear indication that McCain's attacks backfired with one of his party's leading figures. Or, such concerns at least provide a principled-sounding excuse for Republicans who want to distance themselves from McCain for other reasons.

Although he cited other reasons for abandoning his own party's nominee, Powell said that the timing "was driven" by McCain's recent attacks on Obama's character. He seemed most fixated on efforts to portray Obama as "un-American."

Powell said he was especially troubled by McCain's attacks on Obama's past relations with former Weather Underground member Williams Ayers. "Suggesting that Obama has some sort of terrorist inclinations was over the top, beyond just good political fighting back and forth."

 

Craig on MSNBC today (10/19)
2:05 / 3:05 / 4:05 PM EST
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  1. Number 1??

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:03 AM

  2. Also, remember that he cited Palin's lack of qualifications as a major reason for the endorsement as well.

    Posted by: Politics of Utopia Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:04 AM

  3. cue the band and get the flowers ready. To quote Bob Dylan,
    "Its all over now Baby Blue."

    Posted by: Torpedo.Vindecator Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:05 AM

  4. Redemption is wonderful. Just like Spike said, Do the Right Thing!

    I am glad Powell did the right thing.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:05 AM

  5. Hi Katherine,

    If you didn't see it---yesterday's NYT--- an honest article which offers a practical proposal to the housing crisis that continues to be ignored.

    "Shouldn't We Rescue Housing?" by Joe Nocera

    "Pass a law tht encourages homeowners with impaired mortgages to forfeit the deed to their lenders but allows them to stay in the homes for 5 yeras, paying prevailing market rent. The law would force the lender to accept the deed and the rent.

    After 5 years the homeowner turned renter would have the right to but the home back, at FMV, from the lender."

    Plan proposed by a Daniel Alpert, partner of Westwood Capital, a small investment bank.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/business/18nocera.html

    Posted by: Coreen Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:09 AM

  6. Floyd County, Indiana -
    “I’ve never seen anything like this, in any election,” said Floyd County Clerk Linda Moeller. “We’ve never had anything like this.”

    http://www.newsandtribune.com/local/local_story_293083955.html

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:11 AM

  7. The turnout was about four times larger than previous years, Von Nida said.

    St. Clair County and other Illinois polling places also reported huge crowds on Tuesday.

    http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2008/10/19/madison/news/1019edw-voting.txt

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:16 AM

  8. Survey USA has put out data on early voting in New Mexico, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and Iowa -- all important states for Mr. McCain. Even where Mr. McCain still leads among "likely voters," the polling results show Mr. Obama leading by as much as 34% (in Iowa and North Carolina) among "early voters." Even Georgia, where Mr. McCain holds an 11-point overall lead in Survey USA's polling, Mr. Obama is ahead by 6% among early voters.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:19 AM

  9. Coreen

    Thanks for the link. A very interesting proposal. I think there should be multiple programs.

    The article points out for now there is nothing unless the bank is willing. B of A recently settled with a groups of Countrywide mortgage holders but they were part of a lawsuit.

    A lot of talk about troubled homeowners --no action.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:19 AM

  10. Nevada -
    More than 3,000 people came out within the first 3 hours of early voting in Washoe county.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:22 AM

  11. Florida early voting begins tomorrow. We're going to have a fun week. Hillary and Barack will be in Orlando on Monday and Miami on Tuesday. Wednesday, Michele comes to Gainesville (my town!) in an effort to draw people to the downtown courthouse for early voting. Looking at the polls, the energy, and experiencing the ground game first hand, I do believe the democrats are going to take Florida.

    Posted by: Politics of Utopia Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:25 AM

  12. Gen Powell showed himself as a patriot rather than a partisan. I hope all the people who have criticized him as being a weak-kneed, complicit follower, listen to his MTP appearance.

    I've made no secret of my admiration for Gen Powell; without a doubt he is one of my five favorite soldiers of those whom I've known personally.

    Take an attitude check based on his rules:
    http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~afwebpg/additionalknowledge/additionalknowledge7.html

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:29 AM

  13. North Carolina -

    Across the state, Democrats showed the most first-day enthusiasm. Of the nearly 114,000 first-day voters, 64 percent were Democrats, 21 percent Republicans and 15 percent unaffiliateds.

    African American turnout was up significantly. Black voters, who make up about 22 percent of registered voters, were 36 percent of Thursday's early voters.

    In 2004, blacks made up 18.6 percent of voters.

    Experts estimate that Barack Obama needs a black turnout in North Carolina of between 22 percent to 23 percent to carry the state. No Democratic presidential candidate has carried North Carolina since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:29 AM

  14. anon...this will be a huge participation election. I was upset about Hillary, but I have gotten over myself. It is going to take a lot of little peeps to move that pendulum and it is refreshing to see. I have also gotten over myself as I really think I was harboring resentment towards a lot of new voters who did not see my choice as a winner....hey, it's their america, too. So what if it took eight years of indignities to awaken the masses? We are all here now and voting!

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:30 AM

  15. An early voting site at the Santa Fe County Fairgrounds was packed with long lines and poll workers ran out of pens Saturday morning as people lined up to cast their ballots.

    "The line is out the door and into the parking lot," Santa Fe County Clerk Valerie Espinoza said Saturday. "There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people out to vote. They're showing up in droves."

    In Bernalillo County, about 2,000 people had cast ballots in the first two hours of voting Saturday at 15 polling sites, county spokeswoman Liz Hamm said.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:33 AM

  16. Another comment about the Powell interview: can we put Brokaw out to pasture? He's absolutely horrible!

    Posted by: Politics of Utopia Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:33 AM

  17. Craig, were the cameras on for his post-show? From your description of it, it sounds as if you were there. That so?

    I didn't sense that his heartburn was so much about Mr McCain as it was for the rotten core of the Republican Party.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:33 AM

  18. powell put it nicely, but I sense his large scale healthy revulsion over that republican rotten core.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 10:36 AM

  19. People often forget just how much the modern military has changed. We have gone from "If the Army wanted you to have a wife, they would issue you one" to very married soldiers and family men.

    Since military tends to marry military, there are a lot of young Barrack Obamas growing up on the military bases of the nation with just about every conceivable racial composition.

    End result: You have young families with all the problems of today's young families a large percentage of which are racially mixed. They are right of center politically with a sense of duty and love of country. The old McCain would have been a natural fit, but this far right, racist turn drives them away and the Powell endorsement is a very big thing.

    There are huge sections of a lot of newly pink southern states where there will be a surprising number of Obama votes. Fort Benning, GA anyone?


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:36 AM

  20. Flatus

    Powell spoke to the media (some carried it live) after his appearance on MTP and answered questions.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:39 AM

  21. I think we should just cancel the Presidential election this year. Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews could do the honors of declaring Obama the winner and be done with it. Never mind all those annoying voters who don't think Obama will be the best President this country has ever seen. They're all uneducated racists anyway. Who cares what they think. Let's just skip the formalities and get on with the utopia we are about to experience.

    Posted by: ubns Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:39 AM

  22. Colin POWELL Is the mack daddy!

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:41 AM

  23. ubns: you sound frustrated...

    Posted by: Politics of Utopia Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:42 AM

  24. Here's the real proof of this election _

    Take Judie Almond, 68, from the small rural town of Wadesboro, an hour's drive from Charlotte. She is a true social conservative. Resolutely anti-abortion, she fears that the country is on such a slide that homosexual marriage will not only soon be lawful but might become mandatory. 'We can't become a homosexual nation,' she said with passion.

    But Almond's most colourful biblical language and ire is now aimed firmly at Wall Street, not gays. The credit crisis has trumped all else in her world-view and she blames McCain's party. 'The Republicans have made such a mess. And the salaries these Wall Street people were getting? It's an abomination. It is sinful,' she said. She is almost certain to vote for Obama.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/obama-democrats-carolina-charlotte

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:42 AM

  25. ubns...I guess you missed anon's post...the election has already started. Too late to cancel.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:43 AM

  26. Blonde wino...

    I truly know how you feel. I supported Hillary until I saw and heard Obama speak and how he carried himself.

    I hope everyone remembers that he will be coming in with Our Country in the worst shape it has been in since the Great Depression and he will have a lot of problems facing him.

    Still I firmly believe that he will do everything possible to turn Our Country around and lead us into a greater future then the previous one in this new century.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:43 AM

  27. ubns

    Suck on it.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:45 AM

  28. Obama & Ayers Shared Chicago Office For Years On the Same Floor... And Maoist Hardliner Mike Klonsky Worked There Too

    BARACK OBAMA LIED ABOUT HIS ASSOCIATION WITH BILL AYERS

    "Barak Obama told George Stephanopoulos during the ABC democratic primary debate in April that "Bill Ayers" was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood":

    Mike Klonsky is listed as Co-Director with Bill Ayers at the same address as Obama."

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-ayers-shared-chicago-office-for.html

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 10:48 AM

  29. " can we put Brokaw out to pasture? He's absolutely horrible! "

    I gotta agree -- and I had anticipated him being very good. What happened? Too much time spent hawking his Greatest Generation cottage industry, maybe.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:48 AM

  30. Ive been getting an avalanche of desperate PUMA email over the past couple days. Crazy, over the top stuff that makes GORDOs posts seem rather tame. People who I know and try to stay friendly with are going off the deep end with this craziness an it's making me sad.

    Whatever. Colin Powell's statement on MTP today just washed it all away.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:52 AM

  31. Gordo -

    You better get to work on Powell's birth certificate as well.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 10:52 AM

  32. Hey Anon...

    When are we going to see GORDO's birth certificate?

    After all how do we know he's who he says he is.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:54 AM

  33. Has anyone seen the new Oliver Stone pic "W?"

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:55 AM

  34. Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama's Dreams

    "Evidence continues to mount that Barack Obama had substantial help from Bill Ayers in the creation of his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, a book that Time Magazine has called "the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician." The evidence falls into five general categories, here summarized."

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/evidence_mounts_ayers_cowrote.html

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 11:00 AM

  35. Psst...GORDO ....General Powell was born to Jamaican parents. In the country of Harlem. Check it out.

    Posted by: Divalicias Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:03 AM

  36. Gordo -
    Here's another "enemy of the state" -

    Houston Chronicle endorses Obama

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 11:04 AM


  37. I like CP, but he is always late in coming to his conclusions,all of them,,,,,it took him this long to speak out against the R's calling someone else unpatriotic,,i like him a lot but i also think that he puts his finger to the wind


    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:21 AM

  38. Divalicias ---------------------------

    Had not planned to post about it today. But since you brought up the subject.

    There is no problem with General Powell. He has the Constitutional requirements for POTUS. He would have no reason to hide his BC from the public. Why is SoetorObama hiding his? Because he has something to hide. Citizenship laws are far more complex than most people realize. It should not take lawsuits to get a look at a BC. Everyone I know has had to show a hardcopy BC numerous times to prove date and place of birth. He has a "hidden" past -- an authentic BC would reveal info he has to keep secret.

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 11:29 AM


  39. Dog

    It doesn't matter if im right or wrong, i think he will help O with the fence leaners, i think that part of late decision making is mostly out of loyalty which is a very good thing,,,,but sometime he should have no?

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:32 AM


  40. I think (speaking to Anon concerns) that CP will help the country heal a little faster, a lot on the right even the nut cases might consider not to do anyone harm to others?

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:38 AM

  41. Not to jump on McCain, but the Detroit Free Press has endorsed Obama as well. When it's 538-0, you'll all think I was a genius.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:40 AM

  42. "Powell did not come to this decision lightly. "

    I wish he'd have spent the same amount of time and effort hefore appearing in front of the United Nations to tout Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:41 AM

  43. Gordo,

    Your answer is right there in your own posting.

    "Everyone I know has had to show a hardcopy BC numerous times to prove date and place of birth"

    Obama has quite obviously had to provide certified copies of his birth certificate many times over for various educational and employment reasons. Just because he hasn't mailed you a copy because it is none of your business, doesn't mean that he doesn't have one.


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:42 AM

  44. For some balance - read the comments at NQ.

    “Profile in Courage” Open Thread

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/19/profile-in-courage-open-thread/

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 11:46 AM


  45. Dog

    Vote with your head AND heart. And eyes and ears.

    This is the reason that i will vote for Ron Paul,,,,,i live in Il so i feel that i will not cause any harm, but if it's a shoe in for O in other states, i want the #'s of indies to increase,,,,think about that

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:47 AM


  46. Gordo----I truly enjoy you, but you are on the wrong trail,,,,,,now if it was a cpl months away( the election) i would hammer Obama with MO and the 4-5 hundred dollar snack(this would piss off fence leaners)----if i had donated $ to O' this would turn me off and demand my hard earned money back, with interest----how much would that be ha?
    does lobster go with arugula?

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:07 PM

  47. I feel........that Powell's endorsement is powerful, no doubt.......I also feel, and can see it already, that those who are backwash, diehard right (limbo, hannity, mccain, o'reilly etc) will totally dismiss his action as a black voting for a black......this is, of course, (and I underline: "of course") not my view but the right is what the right is and necessity will dictate that this is the path they will take.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:10 PM

  48. she probably paid for the dinner with her own money.....and what is she supposed to get......Hamburger and fries? (I bet hamburger and fries there runs $250..........)

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:16 PM

  49. and fifty dollars apiece for 2 deli pickles......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:18 PM

  50. as far as spread the wealth is concerned.....I know the CEO makes more and the worker bees are not to be paid millions, as it were......but the GAP between the worker bees and the multi-millions at the top is totally disproportionate......ridiculously so.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:22 PM

  51. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-160864

    What I noticed about the bill was the legibility of the signature. If Michelle Obama signed that bill, she has very nice handwriting.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:28 PM

  52. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-160816

    yes, Flaus, while Powell ticked off a bunch of reasons for backing Obama in the press gaggle after MTP, he was by far the most passionate and engaged on the Ayers/Muslim/Un-American factor putting him over the top

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:33 PM

  53. I admire Colin Powell very much so, and his endorsement of Barack Obama...

    Looking ahead, I wonder if we might see other endorsements of Barack Obama from Republican senators and congressmen, now that Powell has endorsed his candidacy and Barack is surging ahead in the polls.

    Is the Obama-express an unstoppable train? If so, might some Republicans want to get on board with the majority public opinion?

    Posted by: Zippy | October 19, 2008 12:34 PM

  54. I'll wager that I know who's making retirement plans......Joe the Lieberman................can he say "political toast"?

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:36 PM

  55. Jamie -------------------

    WRONG AGAIN !!!

    Ever hear of false documents? "Illegals" use them all the time.
    -----------------------
    About the Hawaiian BC:

    From TD BLOG
    ---------------------

    "If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn’t he is not a US Citizen.

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

    (see link)

    So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.

    Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization."

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/


    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 12:38 PM

  56. A little detour here. A friend of mine from high school has his own website. He is an accomplished musician living in Texas. If you read his "about me" section it lists all that he has done. The "media" section has some of his music on there.

    http://www.peteremersonjazz.com/Home_Page.php

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:38 PM


  57. Jamie---i noticed that also, it seemed so clear and purposeful. would she get the bill personally or would the campaign, i would not want anyone other that the candidate to be able to sign, or someone pre arranged to sign, i think it was bogus, but if she could sign i would follow the money trail and nail her for a brand new moose hand bag,,,gotta be expensive with the straps tied to the antlers no?

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:38 PM

  58. Can someone give me more info about Susan Collins? I've always found it strange that she's a Republican. She seems to have nothing in common with her party. Is there something I don't know about her?

    Posted by: Mr. Democrat | October 19, 2008 12:39 PM

  59. I think (speaking to Anon concerns) that CP will help the country heal a little faster, a lot on the right even the nut cases might consider not to do anyone harm to others?

    Posted by: SolarCrete | October 19, 2008 11:38 AM

    Great point.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:47 PM

  60. Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:49 PM

  61. the right are already disdainful of Powell for not following ruthlessly the dictates of the Great God (fearing) Boosh.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:50 PM

  62. Mr Democrat,

    Heres the Wiki on Collins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Collins

    But with that is a note to who helped shape her early in her career. William Cohen.....to me that says it all.

    When I found that detail out, it answered why I have respected her for so long.

    Posted by: Chef Sheila | October 19, 2008 12:52 PM

  63. Mr. D

    Susan Collins is the classic moderate to liberal Republican ... financially cautious but socially liberal. In the era of the fundamentalist driven GOP she became something of an anachronism. It would be a shame if she were defeated because of an Obama landslide with coat tails.

    Here is the Wiki on her

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Collins

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 12:53 PM

  64. corey........damned impressive statistics on your friend's career...............

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 12:53 PM

  65. Bread & Butter Jamie. ;0)

    Posted by: Chef Sheila | October 19, 2008 12:55 PM

  66. Susan Collins voted with Bush and is hiding out.
    She also said she would not run again. Yet she is. She deserves to lose.

    http://www.turnmaineblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=87

    Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 1:07 PM

  67. And Yet Collins is over 10 points in the lead. Says a lot of what her constituents think of her. I believe thats bottom line.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/senate/me/maine_senate-564.html

    Posted by: Chef Sheila | October 19, 2008 1:12 PM

  68. Today the opposite happened, thanks to some foresight from Planned Parenthood. Collins Watch broke the story in Maine.

    In a precedent-setting move with national ramifications, Planned Parenthood has broken decisively with Sen. Collins, and will endorse Rep. Allen's bid to unseat her.

    The decision to intervene in the race--coming from the nation's most important and respected pro-choice organization--sounds an urgent warning to pro-choice Collins supporters, admonishing them to take another look at the junior senator's record.

    And because Planned Parenthood backed Collins in 2002 (and frequently endorses Republicans) its support for Allen represents a serious, nonpartisan challenge to Collins' carefully-cultivated "moderate" image.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/planned-parenthood-dumps_b_132968.html

    Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 1:14 PM

  69. Not McCain's economic policy. Not his Iraq policy. Not his plan to tax health insurance benefits. Collins doesn't seem to have much problem with the substance of McCain's plans for America.

    She just wants him to give them a softer sales pitch.
    http://collinswatch.blogspot.com/2008/10/rhetorical-distance.html

    Collins is a real Republican.

    Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 1:17 PM

  70. Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 1:23 PM

  71. Hypocritica,

    Even though, yours is a statement of action and not the reason she is 13 points ahead of her apponent, you have a right to point out the very hard fight for all republicans this year.

    However, Susan Collin's popularity with her constituents and others across the country was her even handed Crossing of the aisle throughout her junior term.

    If she goes, then too bad for the American Public. Its like Chris Shays. Another bipartison Republican

    Posted by: Chef Sheila | October 19, 2008 1:24 PM

  72. GORDO- just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was calling you a tool as in "You're such a tool" but a tool that is being used.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 1:27 PM

  73. Susan Collins votes with Bush.
    On issues of importance to real Democrats she is a Republican. No loss and the same for Shays. Planned Parenthood did the appropriate action and stepped away from her hypocritical actions.

    If she were honest, she wouldn't be running again. But she is liar and broke her pledge to only serve two terms.

    Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 1:27 PM

  74. I don't think Colin Powell is credible. He should have resigned when Clinton allowed gays to serve in the military, but comprimised with don't ask don't tell, then he should have resigned when he was made to back up faulty intel in front of the UN. He does what is politically convienent. Powell is probably in line for the Sec of State job under Obama.

    Posted by: Jim Hill | October 19, 2008 1:40 PM

  75. Colin Powell endorsed George W Bush. Colin Powell endorsed Dick Cheney. Colin Powell endorsed the preemptive war in Iraq. Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama.

    Posted by: greenclouds Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 1:43 PM

  76. I haven't forgotten that Colin Powell lied to the American people to garner support for an unjustifiable war that has led to the deaths of possibly as much as 1 million people or more. People will die today, tomorrow and the day after that because of the lies he told.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 1:47 PM

  77. Powell --the next "Joe the Plumber." The politics of personal destruction seems to be the strategery of the day.

    "Colin Powell Endorses Obama: Backing A Winner When He’s Winning
    By: Jane Hamsher Sunday October 19, 2008 10:00 am
    As predicted, Colin Powell endorsed Obama today. After Obama raised a hundred million dollars last month, every meaningful newspaper is behind him, he's soaring in the polls and McCain's campaign has devolved into a complete clown car.
    Way out there on a limb, Colin. "

    "George Will: Colin Powell Endorsed Obama Because He’s Black
    By: Blue Texan Sunday October 19, 2008 10:31 am

    This morning on "This Week" George Will was asked what he thought about Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama.

    His response?

    Black, black, blackety-black black black blackety-black. "

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 1:51 PM


  78. Jim Hill

    I don't talk too much about the military, but you suck-----In the marine corps i came to know a few gays, never have known these good patriots to do anything wrong,,,if you served you probably never knew if your bunk mate was or wasn.t gay,sweet dreams

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 1:56 PM

  79. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-160904

    I have sworn off participation here, but Solar's post is awesome and I had to send out electronic hugs and high fives. As for Jim, I would guess he's "over the Hill." Sad that in 2008 homophobia still runs rampant in the USA. :-( ... and now my offensive self will stop posting again, but still lurk.

    Obama/Biden 2008

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:03 PM


  80. no et come home

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:05 PM

  81. My final shot at Powell:
    Powell may have been the single most respected general in Vietnam. I was a soldier there, a contemporary , if you will, although I never met him nor served directly under him. I have know a few men over the years who served with him and I have heard them tell me stories of incredible courage and inspiration they witnessed firsthand regarding Powell.
    Now we jump to 2000 and we hear Powell , totally behind Cheney and Powell, 100% on-board. Then I recall with great clarity the morning Powell went to the UN and showed grainy "evidence" that WMD were on the move. He had become a pitchman for Bush to go into Iraq...and even today on MTP, he defended his position from back then, blaming it on "intelligence". Anyone who had even a passing interest in politics then surely remembers that there WAS great outcry that WMD did not exist, and that Hans Blix was not allowed to finish his job once it became clear thjis entire thing was a hoax upon the US citizenry. Here we had Powell , ever the good soldier, spewing lies on national TV about WMD. Later he became irritated because it became clear he had just been another Bush/Cheney patsy.
    My sincere admiration and total respect for General Powell evaporated that morning at the UN.
    He's voting for Obama. Well, he got that part right, at least.

    Posted by: DexterJohnson Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:06 PM

  82. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-160886

    Dog's Eye

    Under current circumstances, I would dearly love to see both parties ditch their wings in the interest of healing the country. For that reason, I hate having the moderates such as Collins and Snow endangered. Now Dole will be no great loss at all. Give her a pink slip.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:08 PM

  83. Oh Lord! KO is going to do another "Special Comment". Can't they put him on a once a month bloviating diet?

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:37 PM

  84. I almost feel like running a corollary contest:

    Which states are so guaranteed to McCain that you can't come up with even a far fetched but plausible arguement that might shift them to Obama? :-)

    Right now the only ones I would absolutely swear to would be Utah and Idaho. :-)

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 2:52 PM

  85. "Direct Counterpoint To Liberal Feminist Agenda"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_MRanG6kqU

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 4:24 PM

  86. The Democratic Party’s Drubbing

    It seems like just yesterday that the party of Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy was talking about income equality and civil rights and worker protections and going to bat for the little guy, the blue collar laborer, the everyday Joe the Plumber.

    Now, the well-to-do elites who run the Democratic Party — and their surrogates — greet these people with brickbats. They insult them, talk down to them, and even try to destroy them. Isn’t that the sort of war on the working class that Democrats are always accusing those greedy and heartless Republicans of waging?

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-democratic-partys-drubbing-of-joe-the-plumber/

    Posted by: drub | October 19, 2008 4:43 PM

  87. My first knowledge of Powell and Schwarzkof (sp?) was the first Gulf War, and I thought they were great.

    Then after the war, they met with the Iraqi's in tents in the desert. The Iraqi's played cute and arrived late etc, and these two generals let them get away with it, and I thought, what are you guys thinking? What bozo's!

    Then they testified to Congress that our soldiers would not tolerate serving with gays, and I thought, If soldiers will shoot to kill the enemy, they'd better damn well obey orders to get along with gay comrades. These generals just don't like gays - how dare they say our soldiers wouldn't obey orders!

    Then they went before Congress to say basically they had no respect for their commander-in-chief, Clinton because of his womanizing! I thought, you sons-of-bitches! What hypocrisy, what dis-honesty, what arrogance - what fools!

    And still when Powell went to the UN and showed how Saddam was going to melt the world, I believed him.
    What kind of fool am I? If he had just resigned or even spoken up more about going to war, I might have held on tosome shred of respect for him.

    Maybe he has had enough time to think over some of the pusilanimous stands he has taken - and that's why he finally spoke up and criticized republicans. Whatever his reason, he's still a failed public servant in my opinion, altho I'm glad he finally did something right.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 4:43 PM

  88. During the run-up to the war, Time Magazine (cover story) wrote about how Powell seemed to be the only person in the Whitehouse who wasn't itching to get into Iraq. I think he was duped, just like everyone was duped. I think Cheney, Rumsfeld and everyone else in War Inc. met without Powell, cooked the books, and sent him to the UN. I think that's why he resigned.

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 4:49 PM

  89. Let me see if I got this right .....

    According to McCain Obama is :

    An Inexperienced, Celebrity, Muslim, Socialist, Arab, Liberal, Elitist, Terrorist, who loves Sweet Potato Pie ?

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 4:50 PM

  90. You forgot babykiller.

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 4:53 PM

  91. Sweet Potato Pie, somewhere a Simpson's writer is working hard.

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 4:54 PM

  92. Let me see if I got this right .....

    According to McCain Obama is :

    An Inexperienced, Celebrity, Baby Killer, Muslim, Socialist, Arab, Liberal, Elitist, Terrorist, who loves Sweet Potato Pie ?

    Posted by: Anon | October 19, 2008 4:57 PM

  93. Oh, I agree that Powell was duped. That's when he should have screamed bloody murder and resigned and started talking fast and very clearly.

    He should have realized that if W could dupe him, he was capable of doing much worse to the people. We deserved Powell's honesty too, not just W's. He apparently was the only one who knew the truth.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 5:13 PM

  94. Mein Fuehrer

    UNDERSTANDING OBAMA: THE MAKING OF A FUEHRER

    "It is surreal to see the level of hysteria in his admirers.

    When cheering for someone turns into adulation, something is wrong. Excessive adulation is indicative of a personality cult. The cult of personality is often created when the general population is discontent.

    I was amused to hear a listener calling Fox News Radio ... saying: "Listening to Obama ... it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell."

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/mein-fuehrer.html

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 5:32 PM

  95. It was the issue I was responding to. There had been several comments posted about Powell the man, and I just added my two cents worth. I agree Powell's endorsement means a lot to Obama's campaign, and I really like the reasons he gave for endorsing him.

    For myself, endorsements don't mean much, and Powell's wouldn't either, but I think it was the right thing for him to do and for the right reasons.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 5:44 PM

  96. Comment from Chris Buckley to Newsweek"

    "My hope is that Obama will govern, in that dolorous phrase, from the center," he said. "I think his instincts are conservative—he is a churchgoing, Christian family man. If his family resembled Sarah Palin's family, can you imagine the howls from the right?" Buckley paused. "He will have to be an artful dodger, for sure. But he knows the country is basically conservative." It is something Obama needs to remember as the trumpets begin to sound—not for a Roosevelt or a Reagan, but for him.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 5:47 PM

  97. "GODWIN'S LAW ALERT!"

    Why does this never get posted after one of anon-paranoid's paranoid rants?

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 6:13 PM

  98. Powell wasn't duped- he knew exactly how faulty the intelligence was on which his argument was based. That Powell, a principle figure in the Bush administration that led to the war that has nearly bankrupted our country, compromised international leverage, not to mention the deaths of a whole lot of people with no end in sight, is given a free pass by the Obama faithful because of the supposed value of his endorsement exemplifies how disingenuous and unprincipled the new ideologues are. Anything to win.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:13 PM

  99. Let the loser have his fun, Patsi. At least he isn't running loose on the streets subjecting the general populace to his poor grammar and myopic political perspective.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:16 PM

  100. "GODWIN'S LAW ALERT!"

    Why does this never get posted after one of anon-paranoid's paranoid rants?

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 6:13 PM

    A rhetorical question I presume.

    Posted by: Hypocritta | October 19, 2008 6:17 PM

  101. AP rants against Bush. He's been called on the Hitler references before, but he's not about to change and other than the fears of Bush not going quietly, AP is a really sweet person/

    When you add that Bush has definitely shown dictator tendencies over and over, the paranoia can be somewhat contagious. So far there have been no such demonstrations from Obama.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 6:21 PM

  102. maybe it's only Godwin's Suggestion.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 6:25 PM

  103. The parallels between Obama and Bush are many, and have been identified by myself in this forum, as well as by many others in countless other forums.

    Powell LIED TODAY on national TV, by the way, in stating that Obama "has always been a Christian", which contradicts statements Obama himself has made on record.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:25 PM

  104. "Check please!"
    "Waiter, check please!"

    Looks like this poster could at least have come up with a new phrase, instead of stealing an old one from me.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 6:30 PM

  105. If McCain would listen to Powell it might actually save his campaign. Instead, McCain has been listening to a campaign staff that has done him a great injustice.

    Posted by: Ken | October 19, 2008 6:31 PM

  106. Has Obama expressed an intent to reinstate those rights which were stolen under the Bush administration, such as Habeus Corpus and Posse Comitatus? Has he expressed an eagerness to lobby Congress to repeal the FSMA of 1999, the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 and the Patriot Act? Where does he stand on FISA?

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:32 PM

  107. If the GOP wanted to win this election they wouldn't have nominated McCain. Wake up.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:34 PM

  108. If the gop wanted to win this election they wouldnt have had McCain pick Palin........lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 6:49 PM

  109. the gop powers-what-be were watching the primaries really closely.......they asked themselves, "Now, who is doing the absolute WORST here?" (That was actually a VERY hard pick to make, but they perservered) Having watched really closely looking for the absolute worst campaigner.........they caught Mac totin' his own luggage thru the airport by himself, and though it was tough picking between the cross dresser, the mormon and the baptist preacher......really tough......they decided that Mac had what it took and they picked him.........you shoulda heard the howls of laughter coming outa that room right before they called old Mac......and then they had him pick Palin and they were all each and every one ROFLTFAO.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 6:57 PM

  110. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-160946

    Patsi

    If your gonna steal steal from the best, I always say.

    Beyond that I think we all know the answer to the why question.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:07 PM

  111. If the GOP wanted to win this election they wouldn't have nominated McCain. Wake up.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 6:34 PM

    but does Mccain know that

    Posted by: ? | October 19, 2008 7:08 PM

  112. Posted by: ? | October 19, 2008 7:08 PM

    Of course he does.

    Under the current Two-party system, you, as an American citizen are afforded two supposedly-viable options from which to select your next President. One of those choices is a representation of the last 8 years of failed public and foreign policy spearheading an inept campaign. If you buy into the fallacy of our so-called representative democracy but are rational enough beyond that, you are now left with only ONE viable OPTION from which to choose. How convenient.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 7:16 PM

  113. As for Colin Powell, it is far too little and much too late. He has never apologized for his participation in GWB's tremendous blunders, Nor has he admitted to error. His endorsement is only relevant to the koolaid drinkers. His anger at his former aid, Lawrence Wilkerson's public dissent and disagreement with the Bush administration says more about the man than any public endorsement 3 weeks before the election.


    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:20 PM

  114. Does anyone really believe that Obama and Ayers "NEVER TALK" about what is wrong with America ? Does anyone really believe that Obama and the Rev Wright in 20 years never talk about his brand of preaching. Does anyone really believe that Michelle never talk to Ayers or the Rev Wright about ways to change American. They are both weil educated and I am can't believe they never had a conversation about how we can "FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE AMERICA"

    I GUESS ALL THEY TALK ABOUT WAS THE "WEATHER"

    VJ Machiavelli
    http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspotcom

    Posted by: VJ Machiavelli Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:20 PM

  115. I think the GOP knew it had no bench. That after Bush, the country was totally sick of them and close or landslide, it was a Democratic year. They needed a sacrificial lamb to get through this election while they tried to hang on in either the House or Senate and groom for 2012.

    Unfortunately, they were expecting Hillary and weren't ready for a phenomenon like Obama. Now they are stuck with the blame for a loused up war, a massive financial crisis, and a major generational shift that could keep them on the outs for 8 to 16 years.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:21 PM

  116. GORDO-part of the Hitler thing is scape-goating and inciting to violence. Sorry guy, but that seems much more like Palin/McCain.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:22 PM

  117. I think he's in the dark........he must have stepped on quite a few big toes along the way to have wound up in this position he's now in, instead of running around as a very heavy-weight senator, (like say, Hillary)...........They managed also with the one arrow to shaft Lieberman and Lindsay Graham as well, with the taint......any other gop shafted in this set-up?

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 7:25 PM

  118. the gop are cleaning house......ridding themselves of those they feel are the half-interested, the riff-raff, and those lacking total commitment to the Neo-con ideal......
    no more gangs of 14..........DeLay will be back......Gingrich will be back..........

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 7:32 PM

  119. colin was shafted either way, either with obama or with Mac....Knight Fork on Colin.......Condi Rice is sitting pretty for the future......the old guys, Rummy and Cheney, did their duty and now they go to sit on the farm and watch the birds, or however they choose to play out their strings......

    2012 is going to be a Hum dang DINGER

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 7:37 PM

  120. Do We Want To Win This Election?

    "...2010 would probably be a very good Republican year in the event of an Obama victory...."

    "The best thing that happened to the Republican party was Jimmy Carter winning in 1976 — had Ford won, he would have had to have dealt with many of the same problems, and probably would not have fared much better. It could be that losing in 2008 is a similarly good option. There’s some times the Presidency isn’t worth having."

    http://race42008.com/2008/09/26/do-we-want-to-win-this-election/

    Posted by: passages | October 19, 2008 7:43 PM

  121. "They needed a sacrificial lamb to get through this election while they tried to hang on in either the House or Senate and groom for 2012. "

    I think you are right, Jamie -- and sturge, as well....it was payback for McCain.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:43 PM

  122. The Rep. "base" is sooo not ready for a black woman.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 7:44 PM

  123. Anybody got a radio-webcast of the game? Every ESPNradio affiliate I find is running football analysis shows. Rez, Renee?

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 7:48 PM

  124. Champ

    I genuinely hope you are right. All I've seen is just one more Chicago Pol playing by Chicago rules with a hit man named Axelrod. No different, no change.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | June 1, 2008 1:44 AM

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 7:51 PM

  125. If strom thurmond supports clarence thomas, then clarence thomas is in.......if W and cheney support condi, then condi is in.......the gop base will do as it's told......and fall in line......the gop is also going to have to go "woman" and "black" and latino.....the times truly are a'changing.......and Imagine: Condi Rice as VP in the party of Lincoln.......what riveting theater.........

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 7:52 PM

  126. But Sturg, haven't you be watching the, um...bleaching of the Palin crowds, and them shouting the 'n' word at a media sound man? THAT'S the "base" The one McCain is so proud of Palin for "exciting."

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:04 PM

  127. Found one. 103.3 FM out of Dallas. Enjoy.

    Posted by: champ | October 19, 2008 8:05 PM

  128. In fact....Craig! Why don't you dare Joe Watkins or Ron Cristy(that how ya spell it) to go hang out at a Palin ralley.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:07 PM

  129. Champ

    You can watch an animated real time version of the game on line here

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/scoreboard

    First Inning, One Out, currently one and one on the pitch.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:11 PM

  130. I'm sorry. That REEELLY wasn't very pc and kinda mean. :(

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:15 PM

  131. "So, let me get this straight. Obama and his followers attacked Hillary endlessly for her vote on the Iraq resolution. Obama touted his superior judgment in speaking out against the war ...

    Obama supporters blogged endlessly about Hillary and blamed HER for the war. They were viscous and vile.

    So, today, Powell comes out and endorses Obama ...

    This guy, who convinced millions of skeptics in America that we were in danger, and needed to go to war with Iraq? And now, his endorsement is the icing on the cake, the crown jewel, ..."

    http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/2008/10/powell-endorses-obama-and-supporters.html

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 8:46 PM

  132. Palin's white crowds are what's happening THIS year, when it suits their purposes.......if it were Condi, there would be a different story.......they can do it however they want to......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 8:46 PM

  133. this year the theme is invite racial tension......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 8:51 PM

  134. Sturg- I'm still not convinced
    GORDO- you have a very good point about the hypocrisy.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:52 PM

  135. rosie.....but I'm not out to convince you......I'm just playing with theories.....

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 8:54 PM

  136. Well,

    I just committed a mortal sin, at least for the Obama bots. I plumbed with out a licenses.

    Which ain't hard as all a plumber needs to know to practice his trade is 2 things. Shit runs down hill and payday is on Friday.
    I think Joe will make a fine plumber.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:55 PM

  137. Jack.....I'm afraid you forgot the most important thing a plumber has to know..........Don't chew your fingernails.

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 8:57 PM

  138. "Sturg- I'm still not convinced"

    Here's what I'm convinced of -- there are people on both sides of the ideological fence who will use race, gender and economic or educational status to demean anyone who disagrees on any level.

    I thought the Republicans had reached a new low with "Nuts and Sluts" -- until I saw the Democrats repeating same with no sense of irony.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 8:59 PM

  139. Come now! Let's leave the childish name calling to the Republic....oops.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:05 PM

  140. Powell For Obama: It's Not About Race

    “It’s not about race”

    “I read Playboy for the articles”

    “The check is in the mail”

    “Really, I didn’t know that was your sister”

    “You are pretty on the inside”

    “Of course I want your mother to come and visit”

    “I love going to poetry readings at Starbucks!”

    “Christmas in Jersey with your folks sounds GREAT!”

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/yah-and-guys-read-playboy-for-the-articles/

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 9:06 PM

  141. Sturge

    Plumbing kinda weeds out the finicky types.

    I've known several plumbers who would snake out a clogged drain, wipe their wet hands on their pants then reach in the lunch bucket for a sandwich and munch away.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:06 PM

  142. Go ahead leave I'll pay the check

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:08 PM

  143. I'll bet they held the sammich by one corner only and then threw away the last bite......like I used to when I was a pipefitter at the navy yard oncet.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 9:13 PM

  144. "Check please!"

    It is so nice to see you stealing lines from me, a product of the public school system.

    *if I were a narcissist I'd post "does the happy dance" right here in hopes people would be impressed.*

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:13 PM

  145. And meanwhile, One-World Friedman is trying to encourage Obama to stay in Iraq.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:15 PM

  146. Sturge

    It could be, I didn't watch it that close. I did go out to the hose and wash my hands off before I ate. But I'm kind of a finicky light weight in this world.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:17 PM


  147. Rez ------forgot to send you this


    Ok thats enough already----is joe the plumber real or not.

    Here is a test for him, if he can answer the following---he is a plumber period.

    1- is urine heavier than water--yes----no
    2-if yes will it float to the bottom and stay there or will it travel
    3-if no does it have an oder
    4-if no can you do this (containment) several times
    5-if yes will it stain the bowl
    6-if yes does this offset the $ by flushing in the first place
    7-if he answers any of these he aint no plumber hahaha

    Here is a test for him, if he can answer the following---he is a plumber period.

    1- is urine heavier than water--yes----no
    2-if yes will it float to the bottom and stay there or will it travel
    3-if no does it have an oder
    4-if no can you do this (containment) several times
    5-if yes will it stain the bowl
    6-if yes does this offset the $ by flushing in the first place
    7-if he answers any of these he aint no plumber

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:19 PM

  148. one of my favorite sights at the navy yard was the old world war two types sitting on the toilet and eating their lunch.........lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | October 19, 2008 9:19 PM

  149. ROFL, Solar!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:20 PM

  150. Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

    "Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race,” Limbaugh wrote in an e-mail. “OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I’ll let you know what I come up with."

    As for Powell’s statement of concern this morning about the sort of Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh wrote: “I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia."

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/got-that-right-rush-we-were-wondering-the-same-thing/

    Posted by: GORDO | October 19, 2008 9:21 PM

  151. Patsi

    Did he explain why.
    I could think of several reasons why ( and they all involve gasoline) but as the world ressession deepens gas is easier to come by so it may be the safest time to abandon Iraq and the reagion to their own crazyness.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:22 PM


  152. sorry for the dble post

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:23 PM

  153. Jack, the OPEC countries are getting together to discuss cutting back production.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:29 PM

  154. Solar

    Let me amend one answer just a bit

    7-if he answers any of these, with anything other than WTF, he aint no plumber

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:30 PM

  155. Yeah, Rosie, I heard that. They are starting to get worried. But they have become addicted to the petro dollars. Cutting production costss them more with no gaurrantees other countries won't lie about their exports.
    It happened before in the eighties.
    Also the new production that is going to come on line because of the recent high prices will counteract any attempts they make too.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:35 PM


  156. Thanks Jack-----im still a little new here and can't say wtf,

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:36 PM

  157. Gas at the Quicktrip on the corner of Truman ans Sterling is $2.27 a gallon. Independence is experiencing and old fashion gas war. They have been lowering gas 2 or 3 times a day for the last 4 weeks. Gas is 10 cents a gallon cheaper there then anywhere in the rest of metro Kansas city.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:39 PM

  158. Major sour grapes! It's still over $3.50 up here in AK. No refineries and it all has SO far to travel to reach us. One Good Thing about Palin is she is trying to get a refinery up here. Still don,t want her as VP.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:43 PM

  159. Jack --

    Transcript:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: We just learned this week that General Petraeus leaving Iraq going to head the central command announced a hundred-day review of all policy across the Middle East, across his command and, Tom, let me begin here with you. Because we’re now facing a situation where it looks like we’re in the final stages of negotiating a status forces agreement with Iraq where there’s going to be a deadline for the troops to leave in 2011 — combat troops in 2009 so you see a convergence on Iraq. Given that, what is most likely going to be the first crisis the foreign policy national security crisis the next president will have to address?

    FRIEDMAN: I think everything that we believe — there was a great piece in The Washington Post today by Bill Emmott, former editor of The Economist who was basically sort of examining all the sort of conventional wisdom about what will happen next, you know that America will become weaker, not stronger and what not. And I think he was on to something. I think everything we believe could be wrong. That is Iraq could turn out — that Osama — sorry, not searching for Osama bin Laden could be not the biggest issue for Obama. I think you could actually find out that Obama can win the Iraq war and he will want to actually continue our presence in Iraq for — until 2011.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Even Petraeus doesn’t use the word “victory.”

    FRIEDMAN: Well I don’t mean win — he could bring it to a decent ending. That’s what I mean. Nobody is going to win the Iraq war. That’s off the agenda. And actually get out of Afghanistan. That they will conclude that Afghanistan is a loser and if you listen to what Petraeus has been saying lately, he’s not been for the surge in Afghanistan. He has been looking for a much more flexible, low footprint approach. I think they understand that maybe you can bring – maybe — Iraq in for a decent end and Afghanistan is probably a loser.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:46 PM

  160. Read the post at Suzie-Q's and watch the two videos at the link below.

    I have said this many times, but I wear a tinfoil hat. Brief excerpt form post.

    "What is the newest news? The Army Times declared that “beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the (1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division) will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North” … “the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.”

    They are tasked to help with “civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack …”

    What this means is that U.S. citizens can now be “controlled” by the military on our streets through technologies — such as Tasers and rubber bullets — that terrify and torment and stun but do not usually kill citizens the way that citizens in Iraq are terrified, tormented and stunned by U.S. military forces."

    http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/dear-conservatives-will-you-help-save-the-republic-from-military-takeover/#more-11900

    I see this going on and have stated so many times even though you all think I'm nuts. The first video is a five minute interview with Meridith Vieira of The Today Show.

    The second is a 27 minute interview where she lays out what I have been saying for a long time. Please watch it with an open mind.

    This is not a left or right issue nor a Republican or Democrat issue. This is a American Issue.

    So even though you think I'm crazy please watch these two video's.

    Thank you.

    Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:49 PM

  161. where is that damn waiter?

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:53 PM

  162. Major sour grapes! It's still over $3.50 up here in AK. No refineries and it all has SO far to travel to reach us. One Good Thing about Palin is she is trying to get a refinery up here. Still don,t want her as VP.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:54 PM

  163. donde esta el mesero------jack waiter no speaky no engles,,,just called him

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:55 PM

  164. oops, sorry

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 9:55 PM

  165. "Check please!"

    Tourette Syndrome

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:00 PM

  166. "In Oct. 1984,Jack Anderson reported that FEMA had prepared bizarre 'standby egislation' that would, in the event of a national crisis, 'suspend the Constitution and the ill of Rights, efectively eliminate private property, abolish free enterprise, and generally clamp Americans in a totalitarian vise." Honestly, it is those people that cling so desperatly to their guns that helps keep control of the government.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:02 PM

  167. Good evening all!
    Jack, sure wished the gas were that low up here, it's 3.79 here- almost always the highest in the country although that never makes the news, wouldn't want that to leak out and scare away any tourists.

    As for Powell, I doubt he had much of a choice with his family- they're all dems and to not endorse Obama would be the last straw I imagine.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:12 PM


  168. Read an article once while waiting at a lawyers office, wish i could remember the mag, what i remember is that CP was going to be invited to join an elite group of R's ,it showed a picture of Reagan,Bush 41, Baker, and cple more very rich and powerful people, i think a cpl of brits, in there, their goal was to accumulate as much wealth as possible in order to control as much of the world as possible,,,wish i cloud remember,,,anyone knowabout this article?-----it looks as if he is out,,,,maybe a while ago,ergo no more loyalty .

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:13 PM

  169. I would like to inform all of you, who are saying. "Only uneducated racist, are voting for McCain. " I am a 53 year old Black Woman, who is very educated. And I am voting for McCain\Palin. I will not vote for someone, who is unqualified, simply because he shares my skin tone. It's people like you who make it hard to keep race out of this election. And you talk about all the negativity, coming from McCain rallies, well let me tell you something I witnessed at an Obama rally. You see I went a couple of times, to listen to him, to make sure that I was giving him a fair shake. I seen men and women, wearing t-shirts, that called Gov. Palin a C--T, and ones that called her a PUCK-Fu--er. Now as I've already said I am Black, and I was more offended, by a women being called those things, than I was ever at being called a Ni--er. Obama, has only done one thing, he has managed to bring racism, right back into the fore front, so now everyone is once again taking sides. As far as Powell, supporting Obama, this might have mattered before, but I don't think people really care now. If anything I think it might help McCain more, because Republicans will see this as just another Black man, voting for Obama, simply because he's Black. And I think it may cause White People to really change their minds about him as well.

    Posted by: Lampe | October 19, 2008 10:19 PM

  170. "so now everyone is once again taking sides."

    Who's siding with who? Blacks with blacks, white with blacks, whites with whites? All I happen to notice are all different groups voting for Obama and mostly whites voting for McCain.

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:26 PM

  171. "Obama, has only done one thing, he has managed to bring racism, right back into the fore front, so now everyone is once again taking sides."
    Thank you for that Lampe, That's how I"ve seen it for a while now, figure you'll be allowed to say it though without being accused of being a racist.. Makes me sad, and I was so looking forward to this election.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:27 PM

  172. Solar-that was probly the Bohemian Club. Very easy to google.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:28 PM

  173. FRANK SINATRA, One for my baby and one more for the road

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODeuywknwE

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:47 PM

  174. Ok

    I found this

    "One more reaggea for the road, I'm gonna sing it if you befor I go"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwANH2Ek2P8

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:53 PM

  175. Which reminds me about women siding with M/P

    I posted/linked the clip of JM on FNS clearly pointing out that Palin represents the "counter-balance" to liberal feminist women.( RezdogOctober 19, 2008 4:24 PM)

    Correct me but are not this some of the broad issues supported by feminist orgs. and specifically Hillary Clinton:

    Pro choice rights,Child Support enforcement, Comprehensive sex education/PP:
    Domestic Violence legislation, Equal Pay Act, Math and Science enrichment education for women, Title IX.

    So am I to believe the GOP ticket does not favor this issues in their platform. And if so why would Dem women support Palin. Talk about voting against self-interest.

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:55 PM

  176. I'm not going to vote for her just 'cos I got a vagina.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 10:59 PM

  177. During the debate Obama said that he believes "Roe vs. Wade was rightly decided"but that it wouldn't be a litmus test- well, why not if he is the one who is out there protecting womens right to choose. He also suggested that women consult "their families, their doctors, their religious advisors" to make this decision. Sorry, he just doesn't get it.

    Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:07 PM

  178. Some say I have balls. but sorry, no pecker :o) I meant Lampe isn't voting for O just 'cos they are both black, but neither am I voting for P just 'cos she's female.You've been in you cups again, ain'cha.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:08 PM


  179. I take that back rosie.just the first half,i meant to show that some will be voting cos of gender

    Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:14 PM

  180. Not so much, I don't think. If Lampe is Pro-choice and for those other things Rez mentioned, then yeah, I'm sorry but I think that she is voting gender, but if she is for the Rep platform, then she probly wouldn't have voted Dem. anyway.

    Posted by: rosiethecat Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:17 PM

  181. "What this means is that U.S. citizens can now be “controlled” by the military on our streets through technologies — such as Tasers "

    According to several here, tasering is just fine.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:28 PM

  182. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/ayers-flap-drove-powell-to-oba.html#comment-161050

    I'm not a fig plucker
    Nor a fig plucker's son
    But I can pluck figs
    Till the fig pluckers come.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:33 PM

  183. Hooah! Rays in 7. 3-1

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:40 PM

  184. Sox bats sux tonite. Go Philly.

    Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:41 PM

  185. Rez -- I wish I had the time to explain feminism to you. You seem to think that being 1-576th Native American makes you an expert on minority rights, and gives you license to insult.

    About your latest "women's issue" comments: I am damned sick of men trying to beat women over the head with issues like Roe. The Republicans are too disgusting to even talk about. But all the Democrats say is: "Damn! When we knock you bitches up, we at least let you get abortions!"

    And you think that means we should follow you to hell and back.

    You see no nuance. You believe because a woman might defend Palin against overt sexism that she would vote for her or her party.

    But what it means, is that some of us are sick of the right AND the left using gender as a wedge.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | October 19, 2008 11:51 PM

  186. "But what it means, is that some of us are sick of the right AND the left using gender as a wedge."

    Thank you

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 12:11 AM

  187. Just wanted to say: Obama didn't say anything about a Supreme Court litmus test. McCain did. Said EXACTLY what Bush said in 2000 debates.

    Posted by: tylenol Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 2:00 AM

  188. Powel said Sarah was is not qualified, as his reason fro voting for Obama, maybe he read a purloined and doctored record posted on the Internet purportedly showing Palin’s high school grades and SAT scores which was proven to be false. Did Powel fall for this hoax? Maybe not surprising considering the unshakable view of the Republican Party as the “stupid party.” For all of the celebration of Barack Obama as an Ivy League intellectual, we know nothing of his years as an undergraduate at Columbia - indeed, his campaign refuses to produce a transcript. So what a joke, Palin may be smarter than Obama, she has more executive experience than Obama, yet Powel says she is not qualified, and she is not even running for president? Hello???

    And the Ayers link, Powel is just way off base here, so Obama DID work with Ayers as a co-chair on a board to distribute 10s of millions of dollars as a 'community organizer". Ayers did bomb the pentagon, and did say he was un repenntent as late as when Obama was 40 years old while working with Ayers. In their own report they BOTH admit the money they sepent TOGETHER did not improve the community, however successful they were politically moving up spending the communities money while all the while endorsing a radical anti-American educational plan, outlined in a book by Ayers, whose educational ideas have been was praised by Hugo Chavez, AND endorsed by Obama!

    Why cant he just be a man and say its all about race and the apathy the country has for Bush, and that by peer pressure he is just to AFRAD to stand up to an angry country that has been hoodwinked by Obama mania?

    Posted by: stacey | October 20, 2008 2:04 AM

  189. Just caught the last part of a Classic Arts video, where they show old films of various fields of art, and a woman was singing some blues-style like St Louis Woman. She had a nice voice but it didn't sound distinctive so I determined to wait to the end to see who she was. Then she was joined by a heavenly baritone voice, and it was a young Gordon MacRae.
    That's when I knew it was Jo Stafford.

    What a treat! It was an old Firestone Hour film from 1958 - did me some good.

    Posted by: bethyboo Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 2:55 AM

  190. Good Morning all.

    Have to say, I think the testimony of Colin P was cool. I think BO can really benefit from it.

    Anywho,
    what is the lastest news all.... :-) ?????

    Posted by: Jason Author Profile Page | October 20, 2008 3:12 AM

  191. Collin Powell was a political animal for 40 years in the army and after. His last minute endorsement confirms he is always for the wining side and never sticks his head out without plenty of cover. If he was so principled why did he tell those lies for Bush to the american people and the world community about the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he knew the CIA was telling the president and his office the weapons did not exist, he knew the UN inspectors were saying they didn't exist. In the first Iraq war he knew the crying teenager telling congress and the UN that Iraq soldiers were throwing babies out of the hospitals in Kuwait was a lie, he did and said nothing to gain that third star. Did he tell the american people that Bush was losing the war because of his idiot policies, no he did not because he wanted to be Secretary of State. Collin is not a principled man and eveything out of his mouth is likely to be a lie.

    Posted by: michael | October 20, 2008 2:52 PM

  192. Isn't Powell the guy who was hoodwinked and bamboozled by the Bush administration into making the case for the Iraq war to the international community?

    He showed a decided lack of judgment and an overt willingness to do the dirty work of a corrupt administration back in 2002.

    What's changed? Why should his opinion matter to me? I'm not voting for an unqualified candidate just so Powell can attempt to rehabilitate his damaged reputation in a new administration.

    Posted by: chezmadame | October 20, 2008 8:37 PM

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