Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

So Craig,

Why such a bipolar reaction between Palin's and McCain's speeches in your opinion?

Do you agree that he is now a shoo in to win as Chris Matthews suggests?

great end to the Summer's fun. Happy trails

Bear,

spook = CIA agent

I've got larry king on with the oppo opinion, good thing they are on late at night. they make me want to through a brick at the tv.

Jack

Do it, Jack. you'll be glad you did.

OK, I just sobered up from the "My Friends" Petron shots, and they're PUPPETS on my TV! What the hell else went on while I was drifting???

That's what i thought...

Here's a question/comment I have after watching the Republicans in action...

Am I being to racially sensitive when I can make a mental note of each minority face I saw at the convention? I remember the black guy wearing the POW hat last night and that pastor tonight. I admit I didn't watch the convention but were there any black speakers featured?

If I think my segment of the population is underrepresented within the circles of power, how can I expect any change from a group that I have felt has always sought to exclude me from their sphere of influence?

Oops, sorry...

they're = there are

I Wanna Grow Up To Be A Politician ~ The Byrds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zfi3zc5-t8

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery

"The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public."

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

Tangled Up In Blue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvBkbPEoeAI

We will not forget:

"Abramoff gets reduced sentence
HE COOPERATED TO CONVICT OTHERS IN CORRUPTION PROBE"

Will get out in 2012.

http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_10383912

tt

I just now glanced a the "Uppity" thread from earlier this evening. The Onion had an interesting video report about how Obama's portrayal as an "elitist" is being hailed as a step forward for African Americans.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist

I love the Onion.

Bear I think you've got a point

In previous years they brought in every black face they had, this year they didn't bother. Did they have fewer blacks? damned if I know. but they didn't view it as worthwhile. they trotted out the women instead.

Jack

Hows this or a college transcript GORDO..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_education_3

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin seems to have switched colleges at least six times in six years, including two stints at the University of Idaho before graduating from there in 1987.

Alicia,

I heard a black comic on the radio today say that an uppity black person is one who doesn't put plastic on their furniture...

TT,

I found the Abramoff news curious. I went to high school with someone who was one of his associates and I am wondering if he'll escape jail time...for his sake I hope so...

"Thorough" vetting process . . . no one contacted these schools.

Look at this kid

Bob Dylan Blowin' In the Wind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ced8o50G9kg

Back to more headline news:

"Soldiers' Suicide Rate On Pace to Set Record"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403333.html

And:

"Defiant Cheney vows Georgia will join Nato"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/05/georgia.nato

Back to real life with the Repubs.

tt

Chenny is all wind

but remember McCain is bring back tha 1 billion dollars we are sending to georgia. There are 700 billion dollars being given to them ther furreners and he is bringing it all home.

Jack

So?

Right, Gordo!

tt

Warren

I realize your one of those boy geniuses.
But some of us move around to several schools before we got our grade point high enough to graduate.

If what you say is true, what does that say about her achievements compared to the genius from harvard.

sure you want to go there?

Jack

You're too rude, Uhn!

Bob Marley "Rat Race"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qe23LVs2O4

Obama bounce ** gone** after palin speech ** Tied

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13168.html

also on politico under Ben SMith - Maverick article page toward the bottom there is a video titled Obama denies Sutton story, has anyone seen or heard this. I watched it but I cannot understand /hear what he is saying.

Julie

They need to stop talking about Palin altogether, Jack, especially in the same breath as Obama.

Champ

They can't help themselves,
It is kinda like gordo ya know what I mean?

Jack

Zbigniew ?

Julie

that is one poll, the dailies show a closing but still a 6 pt gap

Jack

So we have the same GOP platform from the last 20 years:

Less Taxes
Smaller Government
Strong Defense

Talk about platitudes...

And now somehow we think it will be different because the Republicans have co-opted the message that Obama built his campaign around...

Champ...

Rat Race and War are two of my favorite Marley tunes...the lyrics are so sharp...

My favorite is "In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty" I think it describes the W. presidency to a tee...

Warren

when Sarah spoke last night it was believable.
But not so much tonight when the old man spoke.

Jack

Warren,

This is a true description of the Republican platform...

Lower taxes for their base...the wealthy
Increase the size of government but give it a smaller focus, the needs of the rich and corporations.
Achieve those goals by creating "diplomatic opportunities" best met with our superior defense assets.

Red Red Wine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7YY55cGio0

Wonder how far SoetorObama will drop in the polls after the TRUTH from his "hidden" past is revealed.

good night

as the wife is on eastern time it is an early call in the morning.

Jack

Jack,

I still can't get over the fact that Neil Diamond wrote that song...If you get the documentary channel, they're running a UB 40 special on there...I'm not a fan of the band but it was cool to watch...

A little jazz from the bird and friends, to sleep with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8z_nf5WC40

You should not simply "believe" what they are saying.

You should look at the last 8 years of "results" of the policies they are proposing.

craig, thanks so much for your hilarious and yet informative "folks on the street" videos from the conventions. luv the "road trip" finish to today's video in the amusement park. i am a long time lurker who comes here for your unique contributions, and not for the ridiculously self-absorbed drama of your tiresome comment section

Goodnight Jack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suWpx540-oY&feature=related

omigad "afan" -- thanks so much for weighing in, re: the uniqueness of craig's commentary and videos. we saw nothing like it anywhere else. have wanted to comment, but the people here seem to be so "self-absorbed" as you say, they're not even paying attention

pretty damn good, McCain gets applause when he says he'll cut wasteful spending as another ten BILLION dollars goes down the rathole of Iraq this month...everybody knows our economic woes are tied into the financial drain that Bush war is taking.
Everybody know McCain is a Bush clone, and yet the refuses to acknowledge it...trying to get away with a little criticism of his corrupt party , thinking that means he is distant from Bush...WHAT A JOKE ! He IS McBush...just look at the record.
At least he was a lot more respectful to Obama than that veep of his, who came off like a whiny snot-nosed teenager last night with her disgraceful comments about Obama.

There is no way Sarah Palin could be President of the USA, and I tend to think that if McCain wins he'll drop out, not run in 2012, but for the sake of the republic let's hope he loses in 2008.
The trollop was all made up to look like Marilyn Monroe (or at least she looked as good as Jennifer Granholm).

yeah, but.........

(that "yeah, but" brought to you by AFan and AnotherFan)

afan and anotherfan...please weigh in here any time you like.
Don't let the silly back-and-forths of a few posters who are so sure they are correct about everything keep you two away.

Dexter, Sturgeone,

I highly recommend you watch tonight's Daily Show online or in rerun...It's safe to say that John Stewart was not blinded by the light...

sturgee: McCain and Palin in charge? My worst nightmare.
I am solidly behind Obama and Biden, and PO'd I didn't know they were at a restaurant just a few miles away from me a few days ago.

amen to afan and another fan -- it seems like craig is the only commentator left with no agenda. but i disagree about the comments, learn much from them as well. kudos to producer a. satter for today's vid. as a semi-pro editor myself, appreciate your deft touch in giving us the best of craig. he must be fun to work with, although guessing a bit of a challenge, as he is a force of nature and probably doesn't stick to a script

Dexter,

calling the lady a trollop does not win friends or influence people. And I for one would take her any day over " I am proud of America for the first time in my life and" I hate whitey", Michelle... The hatred she spews would blow the lid off a jar if capped in there.

with yas all the way Dextro.......

starting to blow here a bit tho I unnerstan the Hanna is passing by our little slice of the edge of america.....looking now for Ike and Tina.....

Bear.......try to never miss 'em....(stew and colbert)....

haha! Hey julieyoung? It was McCain himself who called Cindy a trollop...one other time he got mad her and called her a c**t. I was being kind! I won't link those old stories but they are all over the internet....

Julie,

It's easy to dismiss the anger a minority can have when you haven't yourself experience an ounce of the discrimination and derision they've faced.

If I'm bored, I will wear a bow tie instead of a normal necktie just to see how long it takes for the first Nation of Islam joke.

I can be better dressed than anyone in a store but as a person of color I still get followed in stores.

In my days of being a boisterous youth, I've always had to be super aware of any dealings with the police. In a public environment when you have to declare to bystanders that you aren't resisting...just to keep from a stick to the chest, that pisses me off.

I see what this country has allowed to happen to Haiti and the squalor they live in there, all because the USA supported a dictator who threatened to go to the Russians if the US tried to enforce human rights there...I'm not proud of that.

Yes I know it wasn't you or your forefathers that had slaves, yada yada yada but despite that, many people have won a lottery by being born "white americans". Looking at things from your perspective, I can understand a basis for you anger, but I think it's wrong. I look at the derision people have, especially those who claim to be victims of reverse discrimination. Why does discrimination only become a concern of your segment of society when it's being done to you? Why is 30 years of attempted equalization far less acceptable than the 300 years of actual discrimination that preceded it?

Why should she be proud that she was born during time when members of her race were being hosed, shot and lynched because they wanted equality?

Why should she be proud that her parents, war heroes, sports stars and celebrities couldn't use the same bathroom, sit at the same table in a restaurant or use the same water fountain as you?

What you call hatred, others call the scars of a long memory. What you call hatred, others will call sadness over realizing that despite the lofty ideal your country, the country you love, codified slavery into its founding document. While you as a women may earn 3/5 of a man's pay, at least you were never considered property or told you were only 3/5 of a human being because of your color.

Dex

From your posting I thought you were talking about Sarah Palin. As far as cindy McCain, I will not offer any comments other than I think she has been a good Mother and it does take special people to adopt a child from another country and another race. Her looks???

julie

Both Stewart and Colbert were amazing tonight... just amazing.. best analysis on tv, not kidding (well, yes they were, but you know what I mean).

This is a great way to connect with the common man...while John Edwards has his $500 hair cuts and John McCain has his $500 shoes and Rudy gets New York to pay thousands of dollars to protect his mistress, Cindy McCain spent $300,000 or basically the first year's salary for POTUS, on her dress

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/cindy-mccains-monday-nigh_n_123875.html

This is a better link...

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html

Sorry, the dress was only $3,000...the diamonds she wore put her up to the $300K...

Oh, I just can't WAIT until Biden gets Palin in a debate!!

Bear,
I realize every single thing you said is true. I have black friends that have said the same.I cannot image getting stopped by police, just because you drive a nice car either.. I would sit down and have a sandwich with you any day - mine corned beef to your pastrami.
Michelle just seems to hit me the wrong way. I have said and maintain I will not vote for Obama, not because of his color of skin. I just simply think he is an empty suit and I do not like the people behind him.. Biden said it himself - the presidency is not a place for learning on the job.
julie

I swear to GAWD I thought Chris Matthews was going to find John McCain and blow him live on cable TV. I cannot believe they pay that lunatic to keep talking. Nice of him to make Republicans sound like THEY were the sane ones and the Democrats are the ones out of touch with “real” America. Please, Chris, find a bathroom stall at the airport before you explode…

hahahahaaaa that was a comment on C&L

Julie Young; 1:44 am .......... Julie, I don't think you have to justify yourself - you were right - whoever made the remarks originally isn't relevant, PROMOTING them is ....................

Bear; 1:49 am ................. What is the relevancy of her wardrobe or her jewellery. If it's to prove they're "elite", I think you missed the boat. I think - elite - pertains mostly to higher learning and academics not wearables. In this instance, it looks like they're trying to buy a little class. In Cindy's case I think her taste is all in her mouth, a little like Barbara Bush..........

Rita

McCain IS Floyd R. Turbo......find a tape somewhere of Johnny Carson doing Floyd R. Turbo......it's him....

I saw it here and went for my carson tapes, and Lo and Bopeep......all Mac needs is a plaid hunting jacket and red plaid cap and it's Floyd R. Turbo all the way.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/01/24/mn_a_carson_turbo.jpg

Swing by post...
McCain Palin on the waylin to victory !

McCain brought the change !!

Oh Lordy Sturg, you were right. Floyd R Turbo. Almost looks exactly like Mac.

Good call, good memory.

it's more the voice and delivery which seals the deal.....cant find any video on youtube, but I have some carson tapes with him on it........it's hilarious......

GOP change? "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...don't get fooled, again." Need to ignore scarey Sarah's family drama & focus on the last 8 years in which McCain aided & abetted.

Poor Andrea Mitchell. They warn you about getting lost in cornfields, but nobody ever mentions a bank of balloons.

I dont care what Mitchell gets lost in as long as she gets lost.........

"Julie,
It's easy to dismiss the anger a minority can have when you haven't yourself experience an ounce of the discrimination and derision they've faced".
Bear Author Profile Page | September 5, 2008 1:42 AM

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-139820

Bear, I can't speak for Julie, but I appreciate what you're saying here and that you took the time to say it. But how do you know what we've experienced?

"While you as a women may earn 3/5 of a man's pay, at least you were never considered property or told you were only 3/5 of a human being because of your color."

And what makes you think that women are not considered "property" by some men? As well as treated as though they're 3/5 of a human being?

I feel your pain, but I'll guarantee you don't feel mine.
There's two sides to every story.

Giving BO grief for wanting UN involvement in the Georgia/Russia conflict just let us know that McCain wants to be a cowboy just like W. Uh, Mac, they have a better hand than we do right now. Their gonna thumb their noses at everyone.

"If Europe eventually decides to introduce sanctions against Russia, at least one Russian oil company may reduce crude shipments to Europe at Russian government’s request."

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/29-08-2008/106243-russia_europe-0

We may have bigger problems than the non-existant sale of yellowcake.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/04-09-2008/106296-electromagnetic_super_weapon-0

good morning Chloe

What did you think of McCain's night?

julie

Hi Julie,
I don't think he did well.

Sen McCain's speech:

--Except for the last few minutes, the content was neither inspired nor inspiring.
--His delivery was better than he normally does with a teleprompter.
--His oratory will always compare unfavorably with virtually anyone. So, I viewed his performance as something of mandatory square-filler; and, the square was filled.

Actually, women in the US weren't allowed to own property until the 1800s. If a woman's husband died, the property went to her son, father, brother, etc., who could throw her out & leave her with nothing if they wanted.

Women are still sold into slavery all over the world, usually by their families. They aren't selling their sons, they're selling their daughters.

Look at the one-child policy in China. They don't want their girls.

There is a glass ceiling. When younger, women are treated dissmissively. When older, they are seen as a threat, a nuisance that must be stifled.

Real change would have been Hil'ry; a competent woman with a track-record.

There are pockets of racism both geographically & generationally, but they are shrinking. Quit trying to use them as your badge of honor. YOU were never considered 3/5 human. BO is not the sone of slaves, he is the son of an immigrant and a woman from Kansas.

The Other Party's Playbook
By Eugene Robinson
"Talk about role reversal. The Republican Party, which scoffs at the nonsense of "identity politics," has staked everything on the compelling life stories of its presidential and vice presidential candidates. The Democratic Party, ever conscious of the diversity of modern America, is doing everything it can to blur the lines of race, class and gender.

As if anyone thought otherwise, this is going to be an interesting few weeks until Nov. 4."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090402841.html?sub=AR

mornin' all.

Second night in a row I found that LP's homework, the USOpen and football beat hell out of the Repug convention. So on to the post mortems.

"Mr. McCain defined bipartisanship as not only working with the opposite party but being prepared to work against his own, even though he is aligned with Mr. Bush on two of the biggest issues facing the country: the Iraq war and the economy. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/us/politics/05repubs.html?hp

Lessee, kinda like that moron Hannity's claim to be critical of Bush - walk in lockstep with Bushco on the big issues that are what the voters give a crap about, and criticize them on their position on the amount of subsidies the feds should give to Sitka, AK for their animal control officers. Yeah, change, my ass.

God sturg, Floyd R. Turbo - what a hoot.

It will be interesting to see how all the msm reports this morning. Last night most seemed to think the content of his speech was good and somewhat what he had to do. Get away from Bush/Cheney. Sarah is his ace in the hole. She is a sweetheart and a natural.
Ha, too bad she could not have given his speech for him.
It really galls me that the RNC is standing up for Sarah on the sexism and the DNC was so blooming quiet. Feel like BO was pushed and shoved down our throat,whether we wanted him or not. Frydaddy was correct in his posting yesterday.

julie

Good morning all
Here's Krugman "The Resentment Strategy"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Look Out, Obama - Trouble’s a Brewin’ on the Airwaves…

"Lou Dobbs just pointed out on his national radio show that Governor Palin has more executive experience than all three candidates combined. He feels “Palin is a game changer who can bring McCain across the finish line.”

Steve Corbett, a rabid Hillary Clinton stalwart who packs clout as the biggest talk-show host in northeastern Pennsylvania, has abandoned the Democratic Party to shout across the airwaves: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/05/look-out-obama-trouble%e2%80%99s-a-brewin%e2%80%99-on-the-airwaves/“Nobama! Nobiden! Nobull!”

Pogo,

If Sen McCain is somehow elected, I don't think the 'establishment' Republicans will know what hit them.

BTW, if you haven't already seen this Economist article, it might interest you (lawyer stuff):
http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12010385

Hey Sturg
got your hatches battened? I love seeing the pictures of the Carolina coasts on tv. My family (like so many others from Ohio) spent summer vacations in the Cape Hatteras area..we even watched it being moved.

"... shout across the airwaves: “Nobama! Nobiden! Nobull!”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/05/look-out-obama-trouble%e2%80%99s-a-brewin%e2%80%99-on-the-airwaves/

Pogo

To me word to sum up the speech was bizarre, maybe boring.
The most bizarre section was when he tied both parties together as part of the problem and he was going to go in and clean the place up. It was like he was the ousider and had nothing to do with the mess.

That would make him sort of an insider outsider .

Jack

That would make him sort of an insider outsider

If he was actually able to do that...he was successful
But his own words and the disgraaceful sellout to Shrub over the last four years say something else.

Flatus
Who knows what he would do. Last night it was like he was a third party candidate then the next sentence he was throwing out tradidtion red meat
republican lines.

Jack

Good morning Jack

You had better have another cup of coffee. How did you get your tongue around that insider outsider. lol

KGC

I supect he is going to run as a third party candidate/outsider who will come in and clean up the corruption.

Who knows it might work

Jack

Fry, looking back to your posts yesterday, McCain was commanding officer of a training sqaudron in Pensacola for one year thirty two years ago, during which he improved the squadron's performance and which was as he describes himself was during a time of his own selfishness and immaturity and during which he f*cked around on his wife, which eventually broke up his marriage and just before he moved to DC to be the military equivalent of a lobbyist (legislative liaison). That's the vaunted executive experience you want to claim for him? You think that's so much greater executive experience than Obama? Have at, but I don't grade either one of them as having any worth mentioning. McCain's experience has been in the Senate, and we know that doesn't count in Repug world as executive experience.

Blue, those magnetic pulse generators have been around for a long time - they were one of the things Reagan envisioned as part of the SDI program - Russia is just miniaturizing them. Their limitations have always been that they were large and heavy, it takes a huge amount of power to charge them and the pulse has verylimited range.

Jack
Now that he has divorced Shrub and gotten custody of Laura Bush --he might be able to make the argument. McCain can say all the bad things that happened are Shrub's fault --if ONLY they had done it McCain's way originally it would have been better. His target is white men --so how dumb are they?

Here's a little of Obama on O'reilly.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/

Hey Patsi
If your around,a special good morning to you!!

If they would just claim victory in Iraq and get out of there, thier chances would go up like a rocket. We need Iraq like a hole in the head. So what if it is not victorious. Play like Bush did way back when with the big banner. We need to quit putting all the money into Iraq, ours and borrowed from China.. The money hole keeps growing.

julie

Jack, insider outsider? I love it. Kind of sums up his illusory claims to being so different from the rest of the tax cutting hawks in Bushco.

If McCain gets elected, I don't see much different in either of the biggest issues we are facing, which probably will account for at least 80% of what gets addressed in Washington during the next fefw years, so I think the prediction that the establishment republicans won't know what hit them is a bit over the top - after all, Lindsay Graham, Fred Thompson and the plunger all think he's just swell, but I could be proven wrong. I do think he might be inclined to support some bipartisan efforts such as lobbying reform and campaign finance reform, but otherwise, where does he differ from the rest? Of course if he wants to get anything done, he'll have to do something different since he'll likely be facing a near veto-proof congress.

Julie

That reminds me of another bizarre moment.
McCain said we were sending 700 billion to countries that don't even like us. He was going to bring that money home. Does that mean the war is over? That is the only way I can find 700 billion in foreign aid.

Jack

Rita,

With regards to your 3:22 post...it's relevant in my opinion because unemployment is up to 6.1%. The figures for previous months were revised upwards as well. Republicans are trying to paint Obama as an elitist and Cindy McCain was dress for the Oscars. $300,000 in jewelry may play well with the rappers, but if I were struggling to keep my house and I heard the possible first lady was wearing jewelry worth twice as much as my house and I didn't hear anything about how they would help me, I would be a bit put off...At least Obama is trying to talk to those people.

McCain has a whole deck of POW cards......

What about Admiral Stockdale? He was McCain in spades......nobody seemed to think HE was appropriate for elected office.....

Hatches battened.....Sturgeone battened also starting tonight.......

flatus, clients have rightly complained about billable hour fee structures for the 15 years I've been in this business - problem is, most clients at least in litigation are insurance companies, and they would lose their ability to cut bills and reduce fees (the target these days is 30%) if they moved to a more fixed fee method. There is a side industry of consultants who charge the insurance companies to do that, and get a cut of the reduced fees. There are a couple of large, well known to most, insurance companies I will not work for because of those arrangements. That article is from a British source - their system is much different from ours (loser pays the legal fees of the winner, and I believe they have very limited contingency fee use) as far as fee generation in litigation is concerned - and the $200M fee they mention is the typical 1/3 contingency fee that plaintiffs firms use - it's more like 40% in medmal and other complex litigation.

she's wearing the costly gear for GOP, not for Democrats......

Bear

Cindy is classic nouveau riche.

and yep it doesn't work for politics

Jack

julie, They ain't claiming victory and they ain't getting out of Iraq, contrary to Bush's predictions to reduce troop levels by January if conditions on the ground warranted that. Well, the surge worked, right, because conditions on the ground are so much better, right? Isnt' that what they have been saying, McCain among the most vocal? And what will that result in? A 4,500 man transfer of ONE combat batallion from Iraq to Afghanistan to fight a resurgent Taliban. Victory you say? pshaw I say. I'm so deliriously happy over this redeployment I can't stand it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/world/middleeast/05military.html?hp

Sturgeone,

I agree, but if you're trying to speak to people outside the convention hall, that's not a good statement to make...

Remember one of the highlights of the Nixon "Checkers" speech is that his wife wore a "Republican cloth coat".

One question for the group. I swear I saw a highlight of one of Reagan's convention speeches, either 80 or 84 that sounded a lot like recent Obama speeches. Did anyone else notice that?

nouveau is the message for gop rank and file.....you TOO can be filthy rich in America if you vote republican.

"elitist is really code for uppiity"

That was our daily ignorance for the morning,

back to regular programing.

bear......too true......also this aint Nixon's party anymore, even less than it's Lincoln's........it aint even Reagan's....he merely started the ball rolling.......

Mornin' all.
This "Pocket Guide To Palin Speak" sure put me in a good mood to start the day.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/your-pocket-guide-to-spea_b_123606.html

Jack,

I remember you being a bourbon fan...if you find this on a shelf, buy it ASAP. I made friends with the local liquor guy and he let me taste this yesterday...delicious...

http://www.oldripvanwinkle.com/newbs/vw/website3.nsf/pagesbyname/home?opendocument

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-139885

Thanks Bear,

But that's pretty much all I had to say about it.
Just seems we'd all be better off putting this election on a more level playing field, and to stop making it about everything except who the best candidate is. I have to admit, the racism accusations have really been getting to me, more than ever, the last couple of days (for some reason). Don't think anyone is benefiting from that.

Appreciate you addressing it though.

"One question for the group. I swear I saw a highlight of one of Reagan's convention speeches, either 80 or 84 that sounded a lot like recent Obama speeches. Did anyone else notice that?"

I wouldn't be suprised, the way everyone is steal from each other. If Obama returns to his 2007 message you will find him very DLC.

When you look at McCain's economic you see a lot of ideas stolen from Clinton. Pushing job training come to mind.

Jack

The McSame economy is coming home to roost at just the wrong time for Johnnie to come marching home to the WH. If Clinton was right and it's the economy, stupid, McCain wants to continue hallmarks of the Bush economy that has now produced 8 straight months of job losses, increased unemployment, and record profits for the oil compaines that helped Dumya develop our wildly successful energy policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Wall-Street.html

Like what you see, vote McCain/Palin.

the gop does not like "level playing field".......they like it heavily freighted for their side so that they are able to get it close enough to steal it.

Bear,

The only black speaker I saw was Michael Steele of GOPAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Steele

Now if you became a Republican, you too could have a prime time slot. In scarcity there is fame waiting to be had.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age

"Sutton did not say why al-Mansour was helping Obama, how he discovered him, or from whom he was raising money on Obama’s behalf.

... he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.

But his writings and books are packed with anti-American rhetoric reminiscent of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s disgraced former pastor.

“I think there’s more to this story and to Barack Obama than we realize,” Peterson said. “As all the truth comes out before the election, I don’t think he has a chance. I can’t see American’s taking that kind of risk.”

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html

"Unfortunately, the problem with having 2 historical candidates on the same side of the primary will be a negative."

Bear, One last thing.

2 positives make a positive, not a negative.
So we'll benefit, no matter what the outcome.

Bear

I'll give it a try.
I need to stock the highend shelf.

Friends with a liquor salesman? Hey, almost as good as being married to a woman with a beer distributorship.

Jack

"the gop does not like "level playing field".......they like it heavily freighted for their side so that they are able to get it close enough to steal it." Posted by: sturgeone

Sturge, you're right.
But are you saying the DEMS are any different?

Did someone already post the vid of Obama's appearance on the O'Reilly factor yesterday?

Pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_753sLQQ8q8

Dems have been "losers" for quite some time now.....it's time for them to win one, but yes democrats are vastly different from gop in a great many respects.

"The latest snapshot was worse than economists were forecasting. They were predicting payrolls would drop by around 75,000 in August and the jobless rate to tick up a notch, to 5.8 percent. The grim news comes as the race for the White House kicks into high gear. The economy's troubles are Americans' top worry."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Economy.html

Now, if the economy's troubles are indeed Americans' top worry, how in the world can anyone think that McCain can win in Nov. when he vows to make permanent the Bush economic policies that helped create this mess? I really do not understand that.

O'Reilly would be a more effective interviewer if he stopped talking over his guests...doesn't matter if it's Obama or Barry Sanders...

I think it's odd that O'Reilly wasn't a total tool in this segment. I read something where Murdock has given Obama money and that both he and Ailes had a sitdown with Obama a couple months ago...now I'm really curious...

From the last NYT article I linked (which I highly recommend you read - it is filled with a wealth of info on the economy as it is right now) -

"With the Fed on the sidelines, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has called for a second round of government stimulus, while his GOP rival John McCain has favored free-trade and other business measures to spur the economy."

Which do you think appeals more to voters? btw, where's Obama these days? Mighty quiet out there.

Bear,

O'Reilly's definitely a ball-buster. And you're right...if he ditched the whole "me, me, me" circus act, he could be as incisive an interviewer as Mike Wallace.

Obama holds his own well. I'm trying to picture the GOP V.P. dealing with a similar rapid-fire assault on the issues. We'll see.

Pogo

"if the economy's troubles are indeed Americans' top worry, how in the world can anyone think that McCain can win in Nov."

Yet a poll yesterday had them even, Obama has to make a case as to why his ideas will work. Just calling McCain another bush is going to do that. The one thing that the convention did is seperate McCain from Bush. I don't think that the American people are convinced that basic core beliefs of the Republicans won't work. Notice last night McCain blame corruption for the ideas not working. It could work.

Jack

Pogo...do you think these stimulus packages ever work in a strategic sense (as opposed to a PR sense)?

I mean, they always sound so impressive -- billions and billions of dollars for this or that. But compared to the underlying forces at play in the economy, that's still a paltry amount of money.

Not to mention the fact that by the time they get through the congressional pork factory, they're not only too little but too late.

"vastly different from gop in a great many respects."

"they like it heavily freighted for their side so that they are able to get it close enough to steal it."
I know that, but the above statement is the only respect I was talking about.

LL

Obama was really prepared for that interview. He came out looking very strong. I loved his lean forward agressive posture. No hem and haws either. they have given him a lot of coaching with his weaknesses. Very good interview in a dangerous setting.

Jack

"Obama holds his own well. I'm trying to picture the GOP V.P. dealing with a similar rapid-fire assault on the issues. We'll see"

He wasn't as polished six months ago, he has been doing a lot of practice and it has taken him a while to become this polished.

I'm interested in how fast she comes up to speed.

Jack

Jack, one poll of 3 released on the same day for the same 3 day period does not impress me much, but it does surprise me some considering what I've read about the Repug convention. Sarah apparently has wowed enough voters to help Johnnie's poll numbers.

LL, no I don't. Short of massive stimulus packages to fund projects that create huge numbers of jobs, I think stimulus packages are gimmicks whose purpose is to impress and create consumer confidence in a jittery electorate - but with jobs numbers doing what they are - a loss of 1/2 million in the past year - and an average hourly wage no just above $18/hr - for a whopping average annual earning level of $36K - they aren't fooling anyone who's paying attention to the economy instead of to Sarah Palin's pretty little face.

Krugman has an interesting take on it in his today's column.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/opinion/05krugman.html?hp

Even on McCain's night, it was Palin's crowd
"I've known for a while that I missed the real John McCain - the one who didn't care what anyone else thought - but I didn't know we'd get the John McCain who would, on the night he accepted the long-sought nomination of his party, not seem to care if anyone thought at all."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/05/littwin-even-on-mccains-night-it-was-palins/

LL

By the time any spending is done on these projects it is a year down the road at a minimum. and that is just the planning phase. 2 more years for the construction to start..
Even block grants to projects already in the pipeline will take time.

The stimulus checks do more to help China then the US. One trip to the store and most of it goes to China.
The old ideas are geared to a self sustaned economy with little trade. They don't work as well in a global economy.

Jack

It's all about the benjamins

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aPN78zX1eg10&refer=politics

Jack, could you be specific as to how the convention separated McCain from Bush - aside from the fact that no one would utter his name? Not saying his name doesn't change the fact that McCain has supported, continues to support and promises to continue Bush's major policies.

All that matters is SoetorObama's "hidden" past! Once the details are revealed -- Dems are doomed.

LL, Jack, Jack isexactly right about that IMHO. The only caveat I'd add is what I mentioned about large programs.

Pogo, Jack...

Thanks for sharing thoughts on stimulus packages. Trying to wield them against the forces of the global economy always strikes me as the equivalent taking a pea shooter onto Omaha Beach.

(Or the equivalent of drilling offshore to solve our energy crisis)

Where did Obama hide his past, anyway? Under the kitchen sink? In the drawing room? In the conservatory? Or did he just give it to Col. Mustard?
We need a Clue!

(Gotta get to work folks. Will try to check in later. Nice to see the blog is getting energized again after a few weeks of doldrums)

To: afan and another fan: You are absoulely right. This comments section is devoted to the regulars who post 5- 100 times daily; they are not interested in an opinion of one post. Better to just "lurk" at Craig's post and not bother with much else., especially that they are so self-absorbing.

Chloe......I dont think the democrats have come up with any heavy freighting to the degree of the gop such as swiftboating kerry, inventing the internet etc gore, willie hortoned dukakis....etc etc.....
they are the only ones who will keep you and your childrens safe, be afraid.....democrats are "surrender monkeys" etc etc long list.....

the only winning campaign so far for democrats was the proverbial "it's the economy, stupid" of clinton team 92.

Yes, I think the democrats have been vastly different in their campaigns from the the prevaricating and pandering gop.

"they are so self-absorbing."

theresa,

How can can someone not be self-absorbed if they're the one talking.? All we can do is talk about our opinions. It's your job to talk about yours. So jump in and say what you want. But don't blame us for only being able to talk about what we know.

Ready Thready

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel
OReilly?
Does Being Barack mean you never have to say you're sorry?

Now you're talking Sturgeon.
Thanks for explaining that. I agree.

post or dont post, but posting about not posting is posting.

"We need a Clue!"

Go to the links.

Or, Theresa, you could sit down and join in the conversation.

This is not your average pundit blog. We give Craig his 15sec. due, then move on to the conversation in progress. I found little problem being accepted here when I showed up last winter. My obvious, accurate and intellegent comments helped, nodoubt.;-0

Jack

"We need a Clue!"

Go to the links.

Posted by: GORDO | September 5, 2008 10:18 AM

*****************

But I don't golf.............

"post or dont post, but posting about not posting is posting."

LOL

Chloe

And if you don't know anything, make something up and enjoy the ride. It has been done more than once around here. But I think it takes a special personality to enjoy it.

Jack

"We give Craig his 15sec. due,......My obvious, accurate and intellegent comments helped, nodoubt.;-0"

You guys are really cracking me up, here.

off topic, what's the skinny on msnbc's pugnacious pundits? even imus and jeff greenfield were alluding to the smashups this am. they seem to get more out of control when they're in their remote settings then when they're at the studio. maybe it's internecine constultation ("constult" to act stupidly together) to the death.
another offtopic observation: the recent daily show audience seems to be different. could it be that's where the ron paul convention is being held.

"And if you don't know anything, make something up and enjoy the ride."

Jack, how did you know?
That's what I always do.

so Chloe are you one of our special people?

;-P

Jack

I'm not sure what I am Jack.

Patd

It is the jr high locker room mentality. I keep expecting them to start snapping each other on the a$$ with a wet towel.

Blame Olberman he is the jock reporter by trade.

Jack

"I'm not sure what I am"

Hey, welcome to the club.

Jack

Looking at the facts as they are is the only way to win this election.
So don't assume when I post or link something, that I have a motive.

Rasmussen
"Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama

It's that time again.
The hazmat suit is out to the laundry so I had better get out of here. Got work to do anyway.

Jack

MSNBC what a pile..the locker room banter and spending time making fun of Andrea Mitchell instead of reporting and today Alex Witless is dressed like BabyDoll

not too mention Mrs. Morning Load

"MSNBC what a pile..." [kgc]

craig, it's understandable that you wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds you crumbs now and then, but what do you think is going on with that bunch of #@*!s?
they seem to be committing mass suicide on the air.... msm s&m self-terrorism.

I was listening to the Diane Rehm show on NPR this morning. There was a devout Christian who emailed their disgust over Palin's speech on Wednesday. She offered what should be a Democratic theme going forward...

"Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor"

GORDO,

I'll go to the links if you can help cure my slice...the Texas wind is brutal on my ball flight...

Just to squelch the rumors before they start...I'm not a narc...lol

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26558624/

bear- Jack Nicklaus would just tell you to strengthen your grip.

http://www.answers.com/topic/baby-doll-film
Well Witless is sucking her thumb but she is wearing the same outfit

Well Witless is sucking her thumb
should read isn't sucking her thumb

"Alex Witless is dressed like BabyDoll"

Talk about your sexists comments.

you might be the dumbest f--k on the planet --movie reference
and as far as sexist pig comments you are the king

When you and your mother comment on people's shoes
what does that make you -- you stupid hypocrite

Pogo,

I've tried to do that but the grip has never felt comfortable...I think it's due to my tight shoulders...

bear, I know - I'm the same way - except for the tight shoulders. I just count the knuckles I can see on my left hand and add one if I sliced on the last shot. Oh, and I've never used an interlocking or overlapping grip. To me it's too uncomfortable.

You're either the smartest guy here or the dumbest, Gordo. Which is it?

Betcha there's more than one person here whose opinion about one or another issue in this campaign is reflected in this piece by Judith Warner.

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/the-mirrored-ceiling/?em

ttfn

safe bet, pogo. you sure she isn't one of our regulars?

Obama Lawsuit -- "Hidden Past"
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UPDATE: Berg v. Obama
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SL7eUVHPK-I/AAAAAAAAA08/gg_SWljAAuU/s1600-h/Berg+Obama+Reissue+Summons.jpg

Craig

What lapel pin are you wearing?

You guys have ALL the fun when I'm asleep! I used to have Dynasty parties where we'd drink anytime someone in the show had a drink. Pretty effective! Craig, Mall of AMERICA.. one of my favourite places! It used to be the Met Stadium before it was torn down to build the "mega-mall". In the indoor amusement park you visited, if you looked around carefully you would have found a bronzed home plate on the ground at the spot where the real home plate was for the baseball games. The Mall has so many restaurants, bars, movie theaters and some fun shops...

Seriously happy to see your video !!

Tom

Well, Sarah Palin isn't near as exciting reading her speech today as she was using a teleprompter on Wednesday. Same speech -- very different results...

You know what? I can't bring myself to watch McInsane's speech. Can't do it! I could listen to Sarah, Hillary, Bill and Barack (didn't catch Joe's) but John... no... He's just eerie.

They should hold voter registration drives at the unemployment office.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street

Heart has "fired off a cease and desist letter" to the McCain/Palin campaign

Is there a smiling piranah song?

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/27906389.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsX

It's really hard to play the "My Friends" drinking game before lunch...Not impossible, mind you. Just hard...

This is the most excited I think I've ever seen McCain. Last night seems to have pumped him up...

John McCain is a CYLON!

Well at least he looks like a CYLON... The second in command from Battlestar Galactica. And not only that, his wife even reminds me of Cindy McCain... Life imitates ART...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isB-3YDj4yc

John McCain... CYLON

Chloe, I must agree with Theresa, from my perspective she is correct up to a point because I like what you write. My impression is you take no sides and are willing to listen and challenge, which is good. This cannot be said of quite a few that comment here.
Even you might agree there is a substantial amount of self-aggrandizement.
Sure do like reading yours.

You know, this blog has an interesting mix of people. I don't like the back and forth bickering but sometimes it's part of human nature. From what I can see, nearly everyone here is a decent person and for that I am grateful. Yes sometimes our dialogues can get snarky or we get wound up in heated discussions, or spread rumours about candidate backgrounds etc, but ... really... all in all, this is a good group. It's a community and within a community you're always going to have divisions.

Hang on to what is best and let go of the rest...

ET is channeling John McCylon

Watching Obama just now in small group setting reminded me a lot of watching Bill Clinton work a room of similar size. Obama comes across like a Clinton-style folksy policy wonk. Even here in Iowa, we never really got to see him in this type of setting because of the large crowds...Doesn't come across near-as elitist.

EuroTom,

What I'm finding is something interesting. I think we're starting to bicker less with each other, mainly because the enemy is becoming more and more clear. It's one thing to engage intra party battles, but when the dust is settled, you remember that the people you REALLY don't like are the warmongers in the GOP. Just the sound of their voices is making me sick.

Less, perhaps, MD. But it's as much out of resignation as it is out of joy.

Pogo
Mudville, USA

With sincerest apologies to Cyndi Lauper, I see your true colors, Congressman Westmoreland.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Obama-Remark.html

Didn't mean offense my ass. In the south uppity is meant only to offend, you jackass. But you knew that.

the race is on... guess it's a team relay with the first lap in florida
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/05/uselections2008

Mr. D,

Sounds to me like you want to make this a partisan blog, where only praise for democrats of the correct mindset is welcome. I thought that was for the back chattel blog.

Suppression of free discussion is not one of the cornerstones of democracy.

My main objection with Obama has always been his pernicious weakness. When it comes to picking a commander in chief that threshold to me is very high. Hillary won my confidence, while my impression of Obama steadily diminishes over time. To me it is clear that Obama lacks the fortitude to be a strong leader in defense of this nation. Even if I buttress his character with Ayers, Wright, and the race mongering Clyburn, BO still doesn't have the qualities to lead our country in these dangerous times. Although if I could infuse the poise, strength and sheer fortitude I witnessed in Sarah Palin into BO, that would be a different matter.

PUMA/Clintons4mccain

toast

The Blog scold is back. It was so nice when it was gone

from patd's link

'Barack Obama looks to Hillary Clinton for campaign boost
Former Democratic rival to appear on candidate's behalf in swing state of Florida on Monday"

I thought the scold told us after the convention the Clintons were finished and worthless.

Uh oh. That CBS pol may have been a protent.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

hahah - Ann and Nancy Wilson - Heart for those of you younguns who don't know them - tell Johnnie's camp to stop using "Barracuda" as SarahP's song without their permission.

Bowman, you've become a repug? I never would have guessed. (Somehow I doubt that).

bear
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/sep/05/blackrepublicans

For all those who call the GOP "war-mongers" (and I agree for the most part) where the hell is your Democratically-controlled congress? Couldn't they end this war in a day if they wanted to? Why not hold the Bush Admin accountable now instead of empty promises IF they win the Presidency? I heard Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment, what happened to that?

"Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment, what happened to that?"

champ, they're waiting for the requisite wh intern to be diddled before they can impeach. lies to congress and thousands of deaths in iraq aren't enough.

No sympathy - you are cruel and spiteful to others having difficulties. Karma.

Breaking: Rasmussen Finds Sarah Palin More Popular Than Obama or McCain

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/05/breaking-rasmussen-finds-sarah-palin-more-popular-than-obama-or-mccain/#more-4619

Well, patd, it would be nice if once, just once, the partisan ideologues could admit how full of bologna the Democratic party elite is. For all their posturing and promises, they could end it in a day and they don't. What does that tell you?

Champ,

"where the hell is your Democratically-controlled congress?"

Surly you jest? These lazy bastards can't go aganist a POTUS who only has a 30% approval rating. This is by far the most spineless group of individuals I have ever witnessed. Oh we are going to do this or we are going to do that, Vote for us were are going to stop Bush. These idiots couldn't find their ass with both hands.

"What does that tell you?"

that they're chicken, champ.

or would that be chickens**t?

Correction: That should have been fat asses.

Fry and pat,

Cowardice and incompetence is the best-case scenario. My perspective is much more cynical.

champ, Fry, they aren't lazy, they are gutless wonders, and no one has been any harsher in their criticism of the supposed leaders of the Congress than I. And please - its BALONEY. As I said a couple of days ago, balogna sounds way too Italian, and baloney is the one sausage-like tubular meat product that is decidedly not Italian.

I've just returned to computer and appreciate the comments from Chloe and Jack. If you receive comments on your comments, makes one feel that your post is read and matters. I'm not one to chitchat back and forth; but enjoy reading others as it pertains to the campaign stuff and all that mess. But I have enjoyed Chloe and Jack's posts as well as others.

Jack has a so-far unnamed post of importance under chairman Lard. The Lard chancellor instigated a committee of one to attempt to delineate the nature of, and the title for that position......meanwhile....back in the political jungle........

btw, i learned something in that video on black republicans at the repcon by the guardian which i linked for bear... mlk was a republican... but then those were the days when southern republicans were the liberals in town.

baloney......down here that's called "boneless ham".....

Watched BHO on Bill O'Reilly last night. I stopped counting the "uh" and "ah" when I reached 50.

Other than that much wasn't accomplished, he still can't admit to making a mistake about the "surge", even though he now thinks it was a success. He backed off his little macho platform when Bill pinned him down on tracking OBL into the caves of Pakistan. And on Iran he keeps saying we won't allow then to go nuclear. Oooookkkkk, but when they do what will you do? "Bill, can't lay all my cards on the table." BHO cards come from a deck of Old Maids. BHO's not letting Iran go nuclear is right behind him bringing back manufacturing jobs to the US.

"Frah-gee-lay! Hmm. Must be Italian."

Oh, and as I said before, pogo, your concession neither surprises, nor satiates me, as I don't consider you a partisan ideologue.

Even Charles Krauthammer is skeptical of the Palin pick.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090402845.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Of course he uses it ti damn Obama, but hey, what else would we expect from Charles?

champ, thanks. hehe, frah-gee-lay indeed.

back in the compound, Betty Ann would sing this while spinning the rope for Walter and me and the younger ones to jump......well.....it's gross, I better not tell it......

it's on the order of "3-6-9, the goose drank wine".

I'm sure you'd love it.....has to do with boneless ham.

maybe late some night.

There's nothing rational about idealism, Mr. Glasshouse.

A spokes person for Real Clear Politics was on a local morning radio show here in Charlotte explaining how polls work and how van one person be up one day and down the next and how is it BHO could be 8 pts in one poll but tied in another poll. The spokes person explain it like this, after a major speech it usually takes 3 full days, usually longer, before that information is filtered correctly in the polling. JM gave his speech last night that information won't be filtered through until Monday. So all these poll numbers you are seeing are the result from a rolling 3 or more days task. So don't look for anything of substance until Monday/Tuesday.

Obama reminds me of Bush in his capacity to NEVER admit to a mistake, yesterday he ruefully pandered to Bill O’Reiilly's conservative base by admitting that the "surge has worked beyond our wildest dreams." How astonishingly painful it was for the neophyte Obama to admit that the "surge" was succeeding. The most important issue he faced in the senate and BO got it WRONG. Obama's decisions are shaped in the bowels of Moveon.org, then refined by the Chicago machine and the MSM.
It is also worth mentioning that the intrepid Obama also refused to denounce the anti Gen. Petraeus Ad by Moveon disdaining this noble patriot.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

"someone like Palin is threat to everything Hillary believes in and has worked for her entire life."

Well there is only one person to blame for this, and that person is, BHO. He should have picked her, at least asked her to be his VP. But nooooooooooooo, not the enlighten one. The thought of having someone in second seat who everyone knows is far superior to me. CAN'T HAVE THAT, NO WAY NO HOW. AFTER ALL I AM THE enlighten-one.

sturg, baloney can only be considered boneless ham if everything other than the ham that comes from the pig is also considered ham.

Oh, and champ, while FRAH -gi-lay may be Italian, I think frah-GEE-lay is French. And I'm married to an Italian ( who speaks English and Spanish- not Italian) and I took two years of French in college, so I think I can speak authoritatively about that. (Of course, not really speaking either of those languages shouldn't stop me, right?)

pogo.......boneless ham is what some, say, poverty level jokers around here used to teasingly call a casing of baloney......

"You see that's what you do when you're a member of the party"

That's right. Except you wanted to throw her out of the party and predicted she would be dead and gone. People are just pointing out what a tool you ar, not suggesting Clinton should or would act differently.

"This is the Obama Democratic Party now. The Clintons are no longer needed or wanted." Bry Bry

FryDaddy,

The proper way to respond to the notion that the surge worked is this way...

* John McCain supported the incompetent Bush plan that ignored the recommendations of Generals who said the initial force needed to be at least 200,000 troops.

* Had those Generals been listed to instead of fired, there would have been enough boots on the ground and the surge WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NEEDED.

* As it stands, the surge has helped because Al Sadr was bribed to stand down. There was a Sunni awakening which caused them to realize that Al Qaeda was making things worse for them by stirring conflict. They figured out that the US would stay as long as they were given a reason to stay. These things happened before the escalation of troops.

Count your uh's all you want. I think they are less annoying and more genuine than this "My friends" bullshit McCain tries to get us to swallow.

Patd,

Thanks for that link. I will say the black republicans featured are far more articulate about their party values and beliefs than the rest of the party. If McCain were smart, he would have them campaign for him. They offer a reasonableness to their positions that I can't see from the likes of Plunger, Mitten or anyone else...

I'm saddened, but not shocked that this fine piece of journalism came from a source outside the US. I guess that's something else we've outsourced...Craig and CQ excepted of course.

Fry, I'm not sure I'll be looking for anything of substance in the polls Monday or Tuesday either. When even exit polling can't get an election right, who really believes polling two months before the election three days after a convention watched by way less than half of the folks who will eventually vote means bupkuss, particularly when the 3 polls taken over the same 3 days following the Dem convention ranged from a 1 to a 9 point difference between the candidates?

Thereasa,
it is always nice to have a response. at least from most people, that means you might be having a conversation:-0

Sturge
I forget, am I making a list and checking it twice or was I supposed to find more creative was of say " you stupid ____"?

Congressional approval hovering around 17% , Isn't that about the % who say they have been kidnapped by aliens from outer space?

Jack

Milquetoast,

"Obama also refused to denounce the anti Gen. Petraeus Ad by Moveon disdaining this noble patriot."

This will come back to bite him in his skinny ass. Americans can differ on the war, they can differ on military spending, but when our troops are in harms way and are being lead by a very popular military leader such as Gen. Petraeus who is doing an outstanding job, and you refuse to denounce Moveon garbage attacks on this hero, you have unknowingly pissed off a number of people. Rolling out the old freedom of speech is all well and good but at some point you have to grow a set and go after those who's only intent was to smear this fine person.

sturg - laughing.

btw, Did you see my post to you earlier in the week about taking LP to see Felix Cavalieri?

Pogo,

I saw your link to the polling data. The CBS poll shows them even but I'm curious about the pool sampled.

In every poll listed, Obama had a favorable rating in the mid 50's, yet with this CBS pool, he was in the high 30's. My first reaction is that this group was weighted more Republican than the other samples. If that's not the case than it is a significant warning to the Dems.

Just from what I'm hearing from people in my area, even the big time Republican are less excited now than they were this time last week. The more they learn about Palin, the more annoyed they get and they fear that McCain's inability to give a speech decently is a harbinger to being another Bush...

I heard another christian, this one who teaches bible study repeat the line..."Jesus was a community organizer while Pontius Pilate was a governor". She really doesn't think Palin did herself any favors with that speech.

Bear,

Your knowledge and expertise involving anything military I'll be sure to make note in a block of ice.

Frydaddy,

Didn't people feel similarly about McCarthur when he clashed with Truman and things worked out for Harry?

Well there is only one person to blame for this, and that person is, BHO. He should have picked her, at least asked her to be his VP. But nooooooooooooo, not the enlighten one. The thought of having someone in second seat who everyone knows is far superior to me. CAN'T HAVE THAT, NO WAY NO HOW. AFTER ALL I AM THE enlighten-one.

Posted by: FryDaddy

You are truly a refreshing voice.

PUMA/Clintons4mccain

toast

The X factor. The totally unknown numbers of American who consider themselves Christian Evangelicals. It is such a broad term and cover some many different people, there isn't a defined number, just a guess. That has got to worry BHO.

"numbers of American who consider themselves Christian Evangelicals"

Fry

Obama is an evangelical or at least he was before he left his church.

Jack

I guess you could call it an obsession.......watching a pig turn the blog into a hog waller does command attention for sure.......

With 30+ years experience, much of it on a national level, I can not imagine what goes thru HC's mind as she watches from the sideline this woman Palin stepping up to the plate of vp candidate thru the most bazzar circumstances being a totally unknown with very little substantive political experience. I would campaign like hell, too for BO. She will be coming to my state (FL) and as you all know, she won it by overwhelmingly majority.

Fry,

Your knowledge on matters pertaining to patriotism or military history are as refreshing as eating yellow snow.

In a Democracy, you have the right to say anything. You don't like the moveon.org ad, fine...I thought it was stupid personally.

Considering the culture that this administration fomented in the Pentagon, I'm not shocked that the men running the Iraq war have been handcuffed. I'm not surprised at the perception that Patraeus is a yes man. He's doing the job...I don't care.

Before you think I know nothing, I have a couple friends, and family who worked at the Pentagon. They were there in the 80's and until this Bush. The 3 of them, Republicans mind you left the Pentagon frightened by what this administration was doing. My uncle, a vietnam vet said

They have no idea what their doing and they care about the people fighting their war. The soldiers are viewed as nothing more than assets or chattel.

They can't understand how troops were sent to war under equipped. The lack of armored vehicle and body armor for urban warfare, in blatant disregard to what happened in Somalia was incomprehensible.

They don't understand why they were sent in short staffed. Anyone with skill in planning knew that the number the President wanted was at least 40% less than what prudent planners wanted.

They don't know why there was no credence give to any plan but the best case scenario in a post Saddam Iraq

They'd love to know why real benefits to our soldiers have been cut. Health care for returning vets is a complete joke and lord help you if you have mental injury.

Fry, that's okay...I know you think your better than me or anyone else you don't agree with. While you continue to wipe your ass with the American flag, we'll continue to fight for it. If you ever want to discuss it, perhaps when I get a private tour of the white house this fall, you'd like to join me?

"Hilary Clinton won't be able to keep her senate seat."
Bry Bry

"Everyone is NY hates her and she should go eat worms"
Bry Bry

"The Clintons are old news they need to get out of the Democratic Party."
Bry Bry

"The Clintons are old news they need to get out of the Democratic Party."
Bry Bry

lol

they gotcha

Jack

Milquetoast,

Ahhhh, Ty. You know I am an R, but had HRC been at the head of the D's ticket I know my wife was going to vote for her, and even I was being swayed in her direction. But now I have JM, who made the brilliant decision in picking as his VP a female named Sarah. One of the other mistakes BHO made by not picking HRC as his second seat, when he loses this election to JM, JM will be a 1, count them "ONE", term president. Sarah will run for POTUS in 2012. I like HRC, but Sarah will roll over her in 2012, and it is to bad in a way, because HRC would have made a great POTUS. BHO, the PC squad at the DNC, and the MSM, just about sealed the vault door on any chances HRC will ever become POTUS. This may sound like a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't be surprise to learn HRC switching parties. She and Bill have got to be looking at themselves and thinking, "hey they didn't ,the D party, didn't even say thank you, or goodnight before the shoved us out of the car. Hey look what they did to old tried and true Joe Lieberman, they are doing the same thing to us."

So Craig said the other night that the Clintons were setting out the rest of the season. wonder what changed?

Jack

I for one think Hillary and Bill should NOT campaign for Obama until James Clyburn makes a public apology for repeatedly playing the race card and demeaning a great President. I am neutral in this race like Brazile and my idol James "Bill better cool it" Clyburn.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Anyone who thinks all evangelicals will fall in line with Palin should realized that many are pissed that she mocked community organizers. After all, that's how church's are formed and that is what they do.

"Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor"

So I will find delicious irony in the evangelicals who think Palin espouses their values when she in fact mocked the very notion of their religion...lol

Words, they record those things, right?

"While you continue to wipe your ass with the American flag, we'll continue to fight for it."

great line

Bear

Jesus was not a community organizer, that was Paul's job. And a good job he did.

Jack

"Most of us".........6 posters on the back channel

Toast, as a card carrying (well, you know what I mean) PUMA community organizer, I'm sure you don't think the Clintons should campaign for Obama - but they probably don't share your view. Machiavellian motives aside, my impression is that the Dem party and the WH are too important to them to let JM run rampant and BO oppose him without their help at the risk of losing the WH to JM. They may have a view of their importance in prevent JM's sucession to the WH that differs from what others, particulary BO's more strident supporters, may think, but why chance it?

the clintons will extract whatever pound of flesh which they feel entitled......and obama will most assuredly fork it over........

Toast,

You're going to have a hard time getting a man who was hosed by Bull Connor, marched with Martin Luther King and was physically beaten by the forces of segregation to withdraw any kind of notion of racism.

If memory serves, he was a major backer of Bill Clinton and chose to remain neutral in this race and didn't say anything until the end of April and he spoke out only after getting a lot of feedback from colleagues on the house floor and voters.

Watch Cliburn and tell me how he is biased...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcCpwCA5rwU

preventING - damn typos.

sturg, that, too.

"If memory serves, he was a major backer of Bill Clinton and chose to remain neutral in this race and didn't say anything until the end of April and he spoke out only after getting a lot of feedback from colleagues on the house floor and voters."

He pretended to be neutral and knifed the Clintons.

EuroTom,

What I'm finding is something interesting. I think we're starting to bicker less with each other, mainly because the enemy is becoming more and more clear. It's one thing to engage intra party battles, but when the dust is settled, you remember that the people you REALLY don't like are the warmongers in the GOP. Just the sound of their voices is making me sick.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | September 5, 2008 1:07 PM

True, still we could all be a little better than how we sometimes present ourselves in the blog. But hope remains ever eternal, or something like that.

Well, the weekend draws nigh, and LP needs to go to soccer practice - so I gotta go. Everyone be nice to your pets.

clyburn pretended neutrality and knifed the clintons because of RACE.

Oh, almost forgot - for those of you who are in Hanna's path, good luck.

"I heard another christian, this one who teaches bible study repeat the line..."Jesus was a community organizer while Pontius Pilate was a governor". She really doesn't think Palin did herself any favors with that speech."

Bear, I love these cutesy Christian things. Like when all the little South Carolina boys and girls wore their 'What would Jesus do?' bracelets.

"nd you're now supporting the most right wing team to run for the White House in the history of modern politics. "

Proof you do not read other people's post but merely spew garbage with abandon. You are the embodiment of
: when you assume you make and ass out u and me.
Only in your case ---it's just you.

Sturgeone is voting Democratic has said so repeatedly.

If you cannot do others the courtesy of reading their posts, do not keep leaving your cliched crap lying around.

gai en drerd does not equal get lost creep.

for which see......SILKEY.......by Leo Rosten

Bear,

I agree with your recounting of Congressman Clyburn's life experiences, but his neutrality vis-a-vis Barack and Hillary was clearly a sham by April 25th when that KO interview took place. By that time, every quote he released made it clear that he was standing with the Obama campaign.

He was still an undeclared super-delegate, but it's my position that he was not "undecided." That was fine. The man certainly had the right to choose whomever he preferred, but MSNBC and others contributed to the sham by trotting him out as an undecided SD.

Toast

Greetings from South Carolina. You have it exactly right about Rep Clyburn's role in this state. IMO, he is a snake in the grass.

Bear,

I notice you always referencing your friends, what they did, but never anything you ever did. Bear your knowledge of the military and it's working is simply spellbinding and would fill a nat's ass. One of the major differences between you and I is this. I fought under this flag during war, protected 2 US Presidents, and fought the drug wars here and other places, and this flag which is so coveted, so thought of, stands as a vision of hope and freedom around the world, yet you make reference to having someone wipe their ass with the flag. You are a real piece of work. Your own words tell volumes of what you really think of the US. You are like so many Socialist whiners. If it is so bad here, if there isn't enough free handouts here, leave. In your case that would mean going back to that marvelous country called Haiti.

Sturge, the more you feed the beast, the more beastly he becomes. He MUST have the last word, that's why any interaction with him becomes a lengthy tedium of one-upsmanship. He can't ever just shut up or let it go. Yeah, it does kind of suck that Craig allows him to ruin his blog, especially when the Empress has at least 2 more blogs of his own. I'm pretty certain his viciousness and inanity is readily apparent to any reasonable person, so it's an exercise in futility to try and put him in his place, because he's already IN his place- his apartment.

Bear, Your knowledge of things military is matched by your definition of democracy
"In a Democracy, you have the right to say anything"

That is not what the first amendment protects, and you can be held accountable!

Obama Lawsuit -- "Hidden Past"
=======================
Service of legal documents to DNC and Senator Obama confirmed

"SERVICE OF LAWSUIT CHALLENGING SENATOR OBAMA’S RIGHT TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS HAS BEEN COMPLETED

The DNC was served at 12:00 p.m. and Senator Obama was served at 1:00 p.m. The U.S. Attorney’s Office accepted service on behalf of the Federal Elections Committee (FEC) on or about August 22, 2008. "

http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/11-service-of-legal-documents-to-dnc-and-senator-obama-confirmed

Fry,

skinny azz? what are u doing looking at his azz and how do u know its skinny, sounds like u are having some private fantacies about obama. or maybe u are the guy that was trying to get some media coverage claiming obama and him had a relationship...

There is it, the love it or leave it! Fry, I am an American just like you.

All I demand from my government is competence. I don't care if it's from a Democrat or Republican. Because no Democrat has called me a nigger to my face for not bowing to their mantra, I find myself identifying with them.

What do I do? I quietly volunteer to help the people around me. Heaven forbid I think I can make the most impact helping people in my community. Unlike your ilk, I don't seek publicity for it.

Did I have an opportunity to enlist, sure. After realizing that I was lied to by my recruiter and after talking to men who had served in the Marines, they told me there was a better way. Unlike you, I don't want to be in a position to kill another human being. I don't thirst for blood. I've been trained how to fight and I do so quite well. I don't like how I feel after I do so, hence I try to avoid physical conflict. I don't want to be like a former colleague and have as a memento of my service in Desert Storm two photo albums of me posing with charred Iraqis.That makes me a coward in your eyes...I don't give a shit.

I've seen your love it or leave it types. You wrap yourselves in the flag as the only true Americans. Yet you desecrate the flag you supposedly revere by putting it on anything to sell in order to make a buck. What's worse is you make these patriotic items in China or Mexico to save a buck.

You think I want handouts? No. Lord knows how much crap I turned down if I even thought there was a hint of race playing a part in giving it to me. Show me a Republican who would turn down anything that didn't come with a favor attached.

You are the one looking for hand outs. The so called socialists want government to work for the betterment of ALL PEOPLE. You and and your blood thirsty friends, want government to work for the betterment of your friends. Show me one war profiteer who's a socialist. Rudy Giuliani is a Republican and he's done nothing but use the memories of dead American's to make millions. He is begging for more of the same so he can continue his handouts. All I ever wanted was the people brought to justice. Your government fucked that up...

Bear,

I notice you always referencing your friends, what they did, but never anything you ever did. Bear your knowledge of the military and it's working is simply spellbinding and would fill a nat's ass. One of the major differences between you and I is this. I fought under this flag during war, protected 2 US Presidents, and fought the drug wars here and other places, and this flag which is so coveted, so thought of, stands as a vision of hope and freedom around the world, yet you make reference to having someone wipe their ass with the flag. You are a real piece of work. Your own words tell volumes of what you really think of the US. You are like so many Socialist whiners. If it is so bad here, if there isn't enough free handouts here, leave. In your case that would mean going back to that marvelous country called Haiti.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 5, 2008 4:31 PM

Those damned CAPITALISTS again. Gotta love and worship the system that requires 500 poor people in order to prop up one rich person. America love it or leave it... I really do think the right-wing wants the Handmaid's Tale... no dissent, no criticism. Free handouts Fry? A lot... to the multinationals and the oil barons and robber barons. Really, aren't you ashamed to suggest Bear go to Haiti? I am starting to get the distinct feeling that you are a Republican that fits very well in the Rovian wing of the party.

"I love America more than any other country in the world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to critcize her perpetually" - James Baldwin Autobiographical Notes (1955).

For all those who call the GOP "war-mongers" (and I agree for the most part) where the hell is your Democratically-controlled congress? Couldn't they end this war in a day if they wanted to? Why not hold the Bush Admin accountable now instead of empty promises IF they win the Presidency? I heard Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment, what happened to that?

Posted by: champ | September 5, 2008 2:19 PM

Champ, I mostly agree, but remember that the Repugs in the Senate also remained totally obstructionist while the Dems were trying to get consensus on ending the war. The House could have cut funding for the war, but that would have just made them look like they were throwing the soldiers under the bus, as they new saying goes.

pogo
BO oppose him without their help at the risk of losing the WH to JM. They may have a view of their importance in prevent JM's sucession to the WH that differs from what others, particulary BO's more strident supporters, may think, but why chance it?

Posted by: pogo

I know that the Clintons will place their pride in their pocket and work diligently to elect Obama, and I admire them too deeply not to understand that but I wish the dems had a true sense of fairness and not just the affectations of true equity especially regarding women.

regards

toast

Heart has "fired off a cease and desist letter" to the McCain/Palin campaign

Is there a smiling piranah song?

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/27906389.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsX

Forgot who posted this.. sorry...

ANYWAY< I was fired from my second job because of Heart's first album. I worked at Musicland and I kept playing the album over and over and was told I had to stop, but I didn't listen. heck I was only 16.

So much for integrity. Wake up, Tom. You're getting played like a fiddle. "Hate these guys; trust us; we'll take care of you." It's all BS, dude. They all go to the same parties and polo matches, dinners and teas. The Democratic power-brokers are no more your friend than the GOP. Stop apologizing for them when you know as well as I do they're not worthy of such efforts.

You should feel more empathy than contempt for your counter-parts on the right, because they're getting exploited just like you, just by different people.

"I fought under this flag during war, protected 2 US Presidents, and fought the drug wars here and other places, and this flag which is so coveted, so thought of, stands as a vision of hope and freedom around the world, yet you make reference to having someone wipe their ass with the flag."

Posted by Fry

And? Do we have to kiss butt because you fought in a war? Unless it was the 1st or 2nd World War I doubt it was really justified, unless it was Afghanistan which I do believe was worth going into but was POORLY mismanaged during all the pretenses of the Bush lying team justifying the war for oil action in Iraq...

Your comments about the flag scares me. It's a flag dude. Trust me, the rest of the world doesn't carp such a tearful, longing hard on for the American flag. It is as much a symbol of oppression around the world as it is a symbol of hope and freedom. America has never hesitated to illegally engage in combat against countries that didn't cow tow to its demands. Check out our fine history in Guatemala, El Salvador, Chile just to name 3. Europeans are grateful for the USA's role in WW1 and WW2, but it must be said that the British and the Canadians played a huge part in that war effort.

I like the colors and design of the American flag... I am not a "patriot" in the exaggerated sense that the right-wing fosters to stifle dissent and demand conformity. That is NOT freedom! That is tyranny!

Hey FryDaddy,

You go...next time don't forget to blame the Haitian for bringing AIDS to America too...

Here's your theme song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg

Hey FryDaddy,

I guess my brother John is one of the President's you defended huh?

Champ, I am a Democrat in the fine tradition of the Minnesota Democratic Farmer Labor Party. As said before, my inspiration for higher education came from Hubert Humphrey's biography, a book I checked out from a public library (those libraries, a social plot to be sure). I am grateful that Humphrey and yes, Lyndon Johnson, pushed for programs to help poorer people like me to have the chance for higher education. My great-grandfather came to the USA from Germany and his wife was second generation Norwegian-American in Minnesota. My grandmother grew up on a farm in cold Northern Minnesota and she worked years at Honeywell, usually 12 to 13 hours a day to take care of us, her 3 grandchildren and only daughter. Thanks to the Democrats, I had the opportunity to pursue an education that a generation or 2 earlier would have been closed to me, though Reagan sure worked hard, and successfully, to cut the programs that provided grants to poor students guaranteeing that most of us graduated hopelessly in debt.

So yes, I am Democrat with socialist leanings. To me a mixed economy of capitalism and socialism works the best. The "magic of the market" theory has been disproved time and again. I long for the liberal state of the 40s 50s and 60s.... where taking care of our people was a partnership between government, industry and community. The right wing ideologues believe it's only the responsibility of the individual.

As for ending the War, you surely saw all the maneuvering the REPUGS did to kill bills or even proclamations from going forward.

Yes I am disapp

Tea parties are a part of many people's social lives especially in religious communities and among those who do not use their shirts as napkins.

http://www.seedsofknowledge.com/churchteas.html

http://sippingtea.com/ideas.html

Oh yeah, one more thing, on the drug wars.. let's cut that crap out. Government should legalize soft drugs and tax the hell out of them. It's pretty hypocritical to support the "war on drugs" in our alcohol and cigarette culture. Legalize most of it and we can probably take major steps to reduce the budget deficit in the USA...

Legalize... that will really "TAKE A BITE OUT OF CRIME"

I love the idea of tea parties! So quaint and elegant...

Sturge- Hope you fare well tomorrow and through the week. Aren't you on the part of the coast that is rarely hit?
Started to batten down the hatches around here- need a bit of a storm every once in a while just to tidy up the yard!

:-)

Is that a joke or another attack?

I still remember my first time visiting Seattle. It was March, 1980 and I took a bus from my Dad's house in Redmond to the Pike Place Market. There was this little tea place called "Tea and Crumpets". I never knew "crumpets" were a real thing... but I was intrigued so I had some sort of elegant tea and the crumpets and thought it was rather cool. Also on the day (in another part of Pike Place Market) I had my very first espresso ever. I thought I was ordering a cappuccino. The woman who made it for me saw I was puzzled and I said "wow that's a small coffee" and she asked "is this your first espresso?" I replied "yes" and she immediately got me a glass of water and said "here, you'll need this"... and she was right!

I do miss the Pacific Northwest... the nature and the climate. LOVE IT!

Interesting story. Excuse if this has been linked

Three times in recent years, the Arizona senator's lists of 'objectionable' pork spending have included earmarks requested by his new running mate.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story

Oldsea, I hope it isn't an attack... It wasn't one from me. Now I am ready for bed... I have posted passionately this evening and need rest.

take care and greetings from chilly Belgium.

Are you aware of how ignorant and contemptible you are, your Highness? Does it make you consider your approach and complete lack of tact when just about everyone here, except your very small legion of minions, resents and despises you and your presence? Is that really who you want to be?

ET- no I wasn't referring to your post. sleep tight!

Champ, it looks like you directed your ever so rude post to me? And do you consider yourself tactful, with that post?!

What a wingnut!

Governor makes ethics complaint AGAINST HERSELFto force action.

". . taking the unusual step of making an ethics complaint against herself."

Suing herself sounds a little repuglike (Bush) lmao

LOL, no seahag, that post wasn't directed at you.

"The list included $1 million for a hospital where Mr. Obama’s wife works, money for several projects "

Sorry, forgot the link.

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/514163.html

Glad to hear it Champ, and yes Anon I agree!! I work a lot of hours, know you've all heard it before and I am sorry that I can't always keep up with the program. Sometimes I sit down to check in when my feet are tired but my eyes are just as fatigued, I try to read up thread to catch up and know I don't always do the best job of it . Sorry all.

"Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, records show"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603894_pf.html

Last Night Sarah Palin Made a Convert Out of Me

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/11525/73205/547/586256

(A friend asked me to post this)...

Sometimes I sit down to check in when my feet are tired but my eyes are just as fatigued, I try to read up thread to catch up and know I don't always do the best job of it . Sorry all.

Posted by: oldseahag | September 5, 2008 6:12 PM

Yup same for me...

Champ if you are around can you email me ? eurotom at gee mail dot com ??

Watching Sarah Palin on CNN--they are pumped and energized. Democrats, we had a winner in Hillary--DEMOCRATIC LEADERS HAVE F***UP.
No support from me--you reap what you sow.

Pretty soon Sarah will be telling Obama "Iron my blouse"

'Sen. Barack Obama, submitted a laundry list of federal funding requests, known as earmarks, to the Senate Appropriations Committee: 112 earmarks totaling more than $330 million in taxpayer funds. '

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/15/obama.earmarks/index.html

Oh yeah, one more thing, on the drug wars.. let's cut that crap out. Government should legalize soft drugs and tax the hell out of them. It's pretty hypocritical to support the "war on drugs" in our alcohol and cigarette culture. Legalize most of it and we can probably take major steps to reduce the budget deficit in the USA...

Legalize... that will really "TAKE A BITE OUT OF CRIME"

Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | September 5, 2008 5:31 PM

woohoooooooo

ET & KGC- Agreed! The money saved on their foolish helicopters alone should balance the budget!

I am bloody addicted to this blog this evening... Also talking to Mauro in Italy...

Hello everyone! I've battened down my hatches, stocked up on necessities and waiting for the storm to blow in.

So....did I miss anything?

Where are you Alicia?

Hello everyone! I've battened down my hatches, stocked up on necessities and waiting for the storm to blow in.

So....did I miss anything?

Posted by: Alicia Knight | September 5, 2008 6:43 PM

Oh my... at first I thought you were talking about the "storms" within the blog. I would once again urge folks to try not going for the jugular and keep very personalize rancor going on back and forth. Once someone gets a "reputation", no matter what they write, they will get attacked for it. We're all human and we all mess up.

We can sometimes take each other to task for what is said, but can't we do it without the real nasty stuff?

Just my thought... you can all tell me to F.O.

xoxoxoxoxo now really to bed!

OSH -- I'm in Stafford, VA. Not on the coast, but the air smells like the ocean now -- salty and humid. Today started out like a crisp fall day.

Alicia- It's wicked humid up here (Ma) too. Odd pre storm weather. Glad you are safe and sound inland

Did anyone notice that weird backdrop at McCain's speech last night? I thought it was one of McCain's houses -- turns out it's a middle school in California. The image was copyrighted and the RNC used it without permission.

http://reedmstech.com/home/about/

Pretty soon Sarah will be telling Obama "Iron my blouse"
Posted by: Animal Control | September 5, 2008 6:19 PM

LOL Animal Control :)

Also, want to thank you for the nice words earlier today. I appreciate them and hope we continue to see you here more often.

"If the dems don't get their act together very soon, they'll be calling her Madam Vice President......" Rita politicallypissed

Rita, I sure like hearing what you have to say.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-140064
And Theresa, Glad to see you came back. I've been enjoying reading your posts too.

This board moves very fast and it's often difficult to keep up. One thing that helps is Craig's suggestion to copy the comment you're commenting on...it's easy - just a right-click away...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-140207

(That's for example purposes, not directed at you, Oldsea...you just prompted the thought...)

Despite the resulting confusion it may cause, Ivy, being cryptic is much more fun, and amplifies resonance with the intended audience.

Obama Tightens
",,,,,nothing has been more surprising than the fact that Obama’s own speech was far more personally and ideologically negative toward John McCain and the GOP than Biden’s was. Standard general-election politics has it that the vice presidential candidate is to dispense with the cordiality and go directly at the opposition, while the presidential candidate — whose central goal is usually to broaden his appeal, move to the center, and try to bring new voters into his camp — is to elevate himself into the realm of World Leadership. He wants people to be able to imagine him in the Oval Office, and to like what they imagine; leaders, it was once presumed, had to remain above the partisan fray."

".....the comportment of the leader of the Free World is important, and that we expect such a leader to focus his attention on higher matters. .....his speech smacked of the partisan rancor he has suggested he was put on this earth to overcome."
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/27791

Chloe, great link you referenced--worth a read.

psycho right? Bill Mahr told the tasteless jokes

Most Clinton backers reject Palin

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FROM_CLINTON_TO_PALIN?SITE=RIPRJ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

This Clinton backer LOVES SARAH

The joke said she had an affair with Edwards - the joke is about her too you stupid tool.

I

60% of Voters Say Supreme Court Should Base Rulings on Constitution
"While 82% of voters who support McCain believe the justices should rule on what is in the Constitution, just 29% of Barack Obama’s supporters agree."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/supreme_court_ratings/supreme_court_update

Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama_mccain

Bill Mahr exploited his audiences taste for juvenile humor

"In the monologue of his most recent HBO show, Maher noted that Palin has five children including an infant “that has Down syndrome. She had it when she was 43 years old. And it looks a lot like John Edwards.”
Looks and sounds like mockery to me.

Animal Control

"This Clinton backer LOVES SARAH "

Why? They have nothing in common except gender.

if I were as stupid as you I wouldn't want people to know who I am either.

Yes you are proud of the bullsh-t you post here endlessly everyday. It is stunning someone would be proud of so little for such a herculean effort.

Stupid; the universal title for anyone who dares to disagree with the great blog master.

Sarah, didn't sell the jet on ebay, and didn't sell for a profit....McCain needs to at least make "SOME" effort to be turthful, or at least act like he cares about what he says.

Jamie, Non of your business--It's my right!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-140234

Champ,

lol. Reminds me of the joke about the cross-eyed javelin thrower -- "he's not very good, but he keeps the crowd on its toes."

There is a 63 page doc on the internet that is the democrats vetting of Palin in 2006 when she ran for Gov....it looks like it is real...there's some scary stuff in it.

I believe she is a sharply calculating opportunists....who is used to getting her way no matter what or who she encounters.

Kind of like her way or the highway.

geez, that Bristol in that clip (Couintdown), sure looked as if she was in the nursing mode... forgive me....ooops I forgot the children are off limits, but it's okay to parade the young woman and her "jump" on national TV.

Of course it is your right. No one was questioning your right to be thrilled with Palin or for deserting every single principle Hillary ever espoused. Just wondered why.

Have you guys seen this....it's funny

Sorry if it's a repeat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc

Photo Documents Barry Soetoro: Indonesian Citizen, Muslim Religion

"This story was originally published on Aug. 13, 2008 as a *breaking* report. It is re-posted now due to its relevance in light of the lawsuit pending in federal court, for which defendants have now been served. The story has been edited slightly to reflect updated translations and other current information."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-140243

Go ahead and love her, Animal, but you don't havr to marry her.

Nobama Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&feature=iv

The Republicans will crush Obama
For liberals not Obamacrats—Hillary's the One

"Hello everyone! I've battened down my hatches, stocked up on necessities and waiting for the storm to blow in.

So....did I miss anything?"

I dunno, Alicia--it might be a good idea to call over to Quantico for a couple of Marines. :))

That's quite a nose you have there Ms Knight!

Is Queen Oprah biased? Duh, you think?

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5736716&page=1

This Clinton back is also for Sarah.
Why? she is a happy smiling accomplished woman who means what she says.. Then on the other hand you have Michelle - the sour hate America, hate white people, woman who they have to keep quiet. By the way can someone show me where she and the children even visited with the white g grandmother?

BHO will not do all he has promised . The health insurance will be instituted by Hillary in the Senate, not BHO or McCain. As to the Supreme Court, the democrats will also have control over who is put on the supreme court. there are liberals who are also can be /or are asgood or bad as right wing ones.
BHO will do or say anything to get the white house. trouble is he will not know what to do once he gets there, God help the Country. Biden said it , the presidency is not a place for learning on the job..
Lastly, people backing up BHO are the chicago machine, Soros.
Piling all over Sarah Palin and trying to discredit a woman with sexism and attacking a minor child, just does not get it in my book.. McCain and Palin have so much more to offer...

Oprah is rich and powerful....and answers to herself...

She's not my favorite, but she has every right to do what ever she wants.

Hey Ms Knight, I practice adhering to my ideals. I don't need Jamie (the princess of know everything) with the blogger from Hell to feel good about myself. Obviously your mother didn't teach you to stay out of other peoples business.

Yet another reason not to vote for Obama:

Secretary of State Oprah Winfrey

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-race-is-on.html#comment-140269

Julie, I really liked your post.
I agreed with so many of the things you said.

FD

Because she has endorsed Obama, Oprah will not be having ANY of the candidates on her show until after the election.

""I agree that Sarah Palin would be a fantastic interview, and I would love to have her on after the campaign is over."

The website for Wasilla Alaska has the Balance sheets for 2002-2003. She left the city in the black. There are long term debts to do with major acquisitions of town improvements with an asset to secure that debt.. Back off with the bs. Look it up.. That is false on the truth-o-meter.. if you know who to read a balce sheet.

champ

I'm curious, are you planning on voting the Nov for POTUS ?

Dexter-"a trollup"???? Did your mommy teach you that? You have serious issues ,man.

"That is false on the truth-o-meter.. if you know who to read a balce sheet."

he can't even read a blog.

I see post-rational

Yo Animal, it's Friday night and the mob is lonely and bored, don't get pulled into a pissing contest. Besides, I think Alicia was trying to be cute, not antagonistic. I don't think she gets involved in insult exchanges.

Calling someone stupid or an idiot? Or a racist hag?

Creative?

ET:

"Oh yeah, one more thing, on the drug wars.. let's cut that crap out."

The dirty little secret there ET. The Swiss very progressive with their drug solution, they provide heroin addicts with heroin. Problem with heroin you build up a tolerance and the heroin they provide is a weak form, so not to have the addicts OD. But guess what ET, the addicts over time will need a stronger dose so they then turn to the the dealers. So now the Swiss have created 2 problems. 1. By condoning heroin use they are creating more addicts. 2. By giving them a weaker form of heroin and making more addicts helps the black market sell more heroin. Plus they keep them in a certain area where the can shoot up. Pretty cool huh, and who do you think picks up this tab. The addicts? Hell no, the working Swiss. Yeah you Europeans really have a good grip on how to handle the drug problem.

Some etymology for those who enjoy it:

http://www.slate.com/id/2199254/?GT1=38001

Julie, Don't talk to him.
It's the worst mistake you'll ever make.
Ignore his posts if possible.

Thank you Chloe. I truly appreciate your posts.
McCain speech was a tad slow last night wasn't it? He definitely knows what he wants to say , just does not do a good job of getting it over.

julie

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You go...next time don't forget to blame the Haitian for bringing AIDS to America too...

I thought is was traced back to a gay Canadian flight steward?
But the Haitians did have an epidemic AIDS problem.

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Actually anonymous those were not insults, those were just name-calling - the insults are usually more complex, as far as content....therefore the difference.

lol Jamie

Our thread disappeared again!

Good morning Chloe

I see Fry only answered my comment re legalizing drugs...

Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | September 6, 2008 10:16 AM
I gave you a big whoooo hooooo

I used to post about what a waste this is all the time
and thought about saying something to Fry about his irrelevant and as usual off point post but considered the source and didn't.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | September 5, 2008 6:30 PM

my shout out to ET

Good morning
What's going on here?Strange.

Blame it on Hanna?

The Strange Case of the Disappearing Threads strikes again.

Obama in Duryea, Pa yesterday.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mcca.html

Back atcha Animal Control.
(probably type key problems)

"Get an exclusive look at GOP's history-making VP candidate, Gov. Sarah Palin, as Greta hosts "Governor Sarah Palin: An American Woman," this Saturday and Sunday at 8 pm ET. WATCH: Sneak Preview"
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

The Daily hasn't really changed that much over a fairly long period of time:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama attracting 46% of the vote while McCain earns 45%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 49%, McCain 46% "

General Election Match-Up History
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

Pesky Facts

"Meanwhile, a city-appointed citizens' committee studying where to put a new sports complex agreed that the land near the airport was the best place for a city-owned hockey rink and turf court. City voters in 2002 approved a half-percent sales tax hike to pay for the new facility. "

According to the Oracle of The Backstabbing Channel
small towns are not allowed to have recreation facilities for their citizens.

Good Morning Chloe
Enjoyed your posts yesterday.I sure hope Patsi comes back,miss here witty and smart posts.

KGC I saw that... I replied to some of Fry Daddy's comments of serving in war and 2 Presidents and wrapping himself around the flag and the nasty comments to Bear... He also responded, negatively of course, to my comment re: "drug war" but not to the other comments...

This story compares the national polls with the state by state polls. Good news for Democrats. The author's theory is it will be fought out in the midwest

While there are still a few national events ahead - most importantly three presidential debates - both campaigns will concentrate their efforts on a handful of states that can flip the Electoral College numbers on election day.

"Now McCain and Obama are going to spend the final two months fighting for a relatively small number of white, working-class voters," Schnur said. "Most of the action is going to be in states where you can see a Big-10 football game, places like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/MNJ412P0NG.DTL&tsp=1

Are Evangelicals Really Sold on Palin?

Sure, John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin to be his running mate fully consumed a GOP convention that was supposed to be focused on thumping Barack Obama over the head. And it may have raised questions about McCain's own judgment and seriousness. But, as we have been told ad nauseam since the surprise choice was announced last Friday, Palin has already provided one unquestionable, invaluable assist to the Republican campaign: with one sweep of her perfectly manicured hand, she has supposedly erased McCain's Evangelical problem and united the base that proved so key to George W. Bush's victory in 2004.....

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1839190,00.html?cnn=yes

Hi Tony,
I miss Patsi too.

Not that the cite-less will use it but this is the web site for the City of Wisilla. Pesky facts.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/

Shocking that this crap still goes on in the USA and even more shamefully in my own home state of Minnesota...

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9089

Let the Threads Run Free

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

Free Speech is My Right (no one's but Mine)

GLITCH UPDATE: techies are at work, promise a fix later today. Huge traffic spike yesterday. Updates on Trail Mix facebook group page at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17347137146

Thanks for you patience, Craig.

Am I in the twilight zone or did a thread disappear when I came back from the bank? If not then I need to run out and get some antipsychotic meds.

Carol

So What Is Fair Game With Sarah Palin? Look at the Rules Hillary Clinton Had to Play By.

"...Then she saw the yellow "Iron My Shirt!"...
Little did we know that the bizarre incident was a precursor of what was to come -- of the debate over sexism, feminism and the role of women in public life that would emerge as one of the defining aspects of the 2008 campaign......Gender politics was going to be a part of this race in ways that no one could foresee.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090502656.html

Discussion of John Edwards personal life -- off the table

Discussion of Sarah Pallin's personal life -- does happy dance

How Palin Beat Alaska's Establishment
I"f you've read the press coverage of Sarah Palin, chances are you've heard plenty about her religious views and private family matters. If you want to know what drives Gov. Palin's politics, and has intrigued America, read this."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057381593001741.html?mod=todays_columnists

Craig

It was ruth and I trading pickle recipes. We generated too much interest, sorry

Jack

How is everyone in South Carolina. Flatus , sturge I saw you this morning but you disappeared.
Are you soaked?

Jack

AHMADINEJAD'S NEW ENEMY: WOMEN
"....at least five women's-rights advocates have gone missing. One, Solmaz Igdar, was abducted on her way home in Tehran, her family says."

"Free people everywhere should speak out in support of Iranian women ......Ahmadinejad wants women out of universities and public life. He thinks he can curb mass unemployment by forcing women out of work, giving their jobs to men."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09062008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/ahmadinejads_new_enemy__women_127724.htm

McCain snubs a Democratic vet organization.
WOW
That is news, lol
Some days the netroots seem to be populated by fools and gossips.

Jack

threadus backus

hanna canna do no harms......just a buncha rain, a real frog strangler.......

new thread

Barack Obama 57 State Remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY

Less than two minutes from the Harvard educated ah er um you know, genius.

What America needs is another idiot to follow the current idiot!

I have been lurking for about a year now and enjoy this site much more than i should,I have always thought that Mr Crawford was an outstanding addition to any news show that he was on. I used to watch tv for all my news information,but have not done so for about 5 months now. I come here to listen to all of you, and go to the sites that you refer, in doing so I feel that I'm better informed.I have added these to NPR, JIM LEHER,C SPAN and a few others, so I don't need tv except for breaking news or noise company. I have really enjoyed coming here and have learned a lot from most of you, I even used a joke that was posted (gave CQ credit) it was a big hit.Please stop all the bs back a forth stuff, 2 of the ones that I enjoy are not here, Patsi and 9/11. I have never voted for a D or an R in all my life so you don't have to figure out which side I'm on, as a matter of fact i enjoy your off political topics (i do like political history) more than your constant back and forth garbage. Patsi, 9/11 just ignore that a hole and come back, Jamie please keep all that info coming, have learned a lot from you-love your site too. will keep to mostly lurking, Thank you all.

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