Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Yipeeee ?????

If you had the greatest rate of change in the position to pander to the voter who is the winner?

The Politics of Message Convergence -- Craig - It appears that you have a quick Convergence with Obama and MSM - and lack luster outlets like CNN.

This as I read the prior posts - Travel did not allow me to jump into the Palin post.

OMG Craig!

I have to say....I am amazed at this blog. I will copy and paste it and keep this one.
This is really the best you have written since I joined the community.
Thanks for echoing something that has been very torubling to me for very long. Paragraph7 , 8 and 9 made my day.

Thank YOU Sir!

This American salutes you

A world without teleprompters? Say it ain't so.

Li'l Kim's Lil Kim -

http://news.aol.com/article/kims-girlfriend-seen-as-emerging-power/178650?icid=100214839x1209603747x1200539039

OK, class, here's your creativing writing exercise for the day. If you were one of Palin's hacked e-mails, you would read as follows... (where is nash?)

Agree this blog is pretty good, Now the next step is for the Fourth Estate to also base on the facts and records and not the spin.

Consider this--the most satisfactory decisions result from a process of collaboration in which convergence on commonly held positions is a key factor.

Despite media commentators' efforts to force differentiation between candidates or campaigns, the process of convergence continues.

So, ultimately, voters must focus on their perception of candidates' core values.

"...McCain's in-and-out rally reinforces a belief among many Iowans that the nation has forgotten the flooding that caused so much misery in the state."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iowa;_ylt=Au_VU4I.VPcGCpx.M9hHbH1h24cA

"For days, hot, hungry and thirsty victims of Ike's strike have waited hours for handouts and scrounged for fuel. Phone lines were overburdened as evacuees tried, unsuccessfully, to register for help. Others denounced the suggestion to go to a Web site, impossible when they still had no power."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_re_us/ike_fema_s_test

Hey All
I've been catching up on yesterdays threads and I'm puzzled,why the singling out of Champ?Sure he's said some rude things,but so have many other's here! I would hate to lose Champ like we have so many others Patsi,Prof Marsha,Maggy and the list go's on and on.I don't have a problem with anyone here and I'm thankful for all opinion's given,yes even MD.In fact ,I like the difference's people have with one another it makes it more like a family and like it or not no family is ever like "The Walton's".

For all Hillary supporters that have flocked to McCain and Caribou Barbie all I can say is, "What the HELL is wrong with YOU?!!!!!"

Posted by: GAKaren Author Profile Page | September 18, 2008 12:37 AM

GAKaren - I heard that very comment over and over at a Hillary rally last weekend - about 1400 strong Hillary supporters for Obama.

well done good and faithful pundit. i agree with jason.
especially appreciated "in search of one-liners that resonate" which reminded me of yesterday's old-boys-network-staffers comment by bho. that one sounded pretty professional, jokemeister-wise. not on par with cavett or allen but then who is?

I saw Sarah on Hannity and she did better than I expected. She is very new to this particular game and being Governor and mother didn't give her a lot of time to become a foriegn policy expert especially when she didn't know she would need to be. She seemed to say that I will catch up in this area.

Obama wasn't that on top of the subject when he first got into the race and he has had a lot more time to get where he is today. More important he is running for President not VP.

I was leaning toward Obama yesterday but still plan to wait until the very last minute. I think McCain has proved that he is willing to buck his party and I haven't seen that with Obama. I believe McCain is more of a centrist and if we get more Dems in congress this may be a better combination.

Whoever gets the big job will have a big mess to deal with and because of this if they can't turn it around then they will get the blame just like the Democratic congress has even when they didn't have enough power to make any difference.

If McCain doesn't plan to run for another term he will be more able to buck his party. I never saw McCain as a typical Republican and that is why he was not that popular with the conservatives and I was surprised he won.

Just my humble opinion. You don't have to worry about my vote because I live in Louisiana so my vote won't make a difference. .
Carol

Got to go to work even though I have not recovered from my recent surgery and am in horrible pain but no one to take my place and have lines of patients to see at the prison.

This is a good one from Slate.."What, Me Worry?" WHY OBAMA ACTS LIKE HE'S 10 POINTS UP IN THE POLLS"....

http://www.slate.com/id/2200301/

"the hopefuls sound so similar that they could probably finish each other's sentences without teleprompters"

LOl

That last line is a keeper, may I add to the Huzahs

Jack

Tony

Good link, loved the last paragraph.

"When this election is over, the Obama campaign's cool demeanor will either be seen as its signature genius ("They kept their heads about them") or its signature flaw ("They failed to respond to their opponent's strategy"). We'll know in 48 days. "

Jack

Good Morning All! Here's a link for feminists or for those who would like some insight into the feelings of the Hillary supporters. For those who ask "What the hell is wrong with you? , I'm sure you'll have a field day with this.
http://www.femisex.com/content/the-hate-mongering-left—whoda-thunk-it

"the most satisfactory decisions result from a process of collaboration in which convergence on commonly held positions is a key factor."

Flatus

That does give one hope. Along with the fact that both candidates are practical politicians and not an ideologue.

That was what was so strange about GWB was he chose to govern from his extreme base instead of from the middle.

Jack

mornin' all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147083

Ping, you crack me up, you really do. :-)

Just saw 3 new commercials, one for McCain, positive.
McCains ad had him reading the script, it would have been more effective if an announcer read it

2 for Obama both negative.
One was paid for by a union. It was amusing, They were running against walmart in Kansas City.

Obama's ad would have been better if it was a compare/contrast. If after telling us how McCain is part of the system that sends jobs over seas, he then had a short positive message that he was going to make it all better. again imo

Jack

Pogo

Pollster has WV in play

http://www.pollster.com/

What gives, is this a sign of the great shift we have all been holding our breath in anticipation?

Jack

Craig,
Only thing I can say is one of these guys is a bigger, fatter liar than the other.

older too. lol

jack, Pollster is out of its mind. I went to a meet and greet yeasterday for a WV Supreme Court candidate, who is a Republican but is an old friend, so I went despite her party affiliation and mine being opposite. She is in a dead heat for the 2nd spot available on the court against an idiot slimeball plaintiff's attorney named Menis Ketchum - you can guess that just about everyone is calling this joke of a candidate Kethcup. Anyway, they are tied at about 20 points behind the major Democrat - Margaret Workman. Pollster must have been polling more heavily in the southern part of the state where the miners can't decide whather they should vote their economic intersts or do what they did when Dumya ran. I'm wagering that their racism will tilt any remotely close balance to McSame.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147097

OSH -- Yeah well.....The newly hatched Femininazis, (errr, ummm,Feminists) of the GOP want us now to forget all that frothing SEXIST HATE they kicked up about any woman Democrat sine the 1980s. They turned their nastiness on Geraldine Ferraro, then when Hillary became First Lady we had a never-ending stream of nastiness from the GOP for the 8 yeas of the Clinton administration -- and then the GOP continued their Clinton hate and derision after the Clintons left DC and revived it to a whole new level when Hillary ran for the Senate. For DECADES we've heard the GOP nastiness turned on Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Cynthia McKinney, Pat Schroeder -- basically any Democratic woman who has risen to national prominence. So NOW I'm supposed to go along with their newly-acquired concern over residual sexism in the DEMs?

Look, I KNOW that the GOP treats it's women candidates with greater respect -- just so long they toe the GOP line -- I have plenty of GOP women friends who get smacked down by their party bosses when the stand up and speak their own minds.

The fact is if you're a woman candidate and you believe in all the GOP claptrap and/or the party bosses think you can win a seat for them -- they will support you. The GOP is actually much better at supporting challengers and do more or candidate development than the Ds.

But -- if you are an ordinary non-political woman who is working outside the home and you need help with child care, or need family/medical leave, or want to be paid at the same rate as your male counterparts -- the GOP will tell you to take a hike. If you are a woman who is in an abusive relationship and you need help to get out -- the GOP wants you to face it on your own. If you are a spouse of a military retiree and your husband dumps you for a younger model after 20 years of marriage -- the GOP wanted you to to just deal with it without getting any of your ex's retirement pay, if you are a woman in need of heath care and you don't have insurance, the GOP thinks you don't need public health clinics. If you pay insurance premiums and your doctor has prescribed birth control pills the GOP think you should just pay for THAT prescription out of your own pocket. When it comes to access to capital for women owned businesses, the GOP thinks women should have less access to low-interest loans -- and finance their business debt with personal credit cards (as many business women have had to do). If your daughter's field hockey team is not supported by her public high school, but your son's football team is, the GOP thinks that's just fine.

Over and over and over again, the GOP has shown with their words, their deeds, and their votes on legislation that while they like their female all-stars, they could give a flying flip about the rest of us women.

Yes, it irks the hell out of me that my own party is so shitty when it comes to supporting women candidates. But when it comes down to the bread and butter (read women and family issues), the GOP doesn't not care about me, or any other woman.

So again, when the GOP comes to me with their Sarah Palin in her peep-toe pumps and their taunting reminders of how lousy Hillary was treated by the MSM, the
DNC, Obamaboys and all the rest -- I only have to remember how the GOP has been crapping on every woman for the past 40 years.

I'll take the devil I know and continue to raise hell to create change with my own party but voting DEMOCRATIC because at least, the Democrats have fought for things that are important to me.

A good article about New Mexico.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/on-road-gallup-new-mexico.html

Jack

Alicia

Everybody expects it from Rush Limbaugh, They didn't expect it from the left. What was really shocking was the left often used the same words and tactics.
I think we can safely say that womens issues have no home in either wing.
IMO a smart move is for women concerned about women's issues move to the Independent column. In the long run they will get more because they will be courted by both sides.

Jack

Great points Alicia!

WV is not going to go to Obama. Clinton did well here because the state LOVED Bill, he and Hillary spent a lot of time here during the primaries and Obama spent a day here. That is nothing that Obama can glom onto - Clinton's people here by and large don't like him and he is after all, black. Aside from a very few circuit judges and the odd state legislator, blacks just don't win elections here. Sad, but true. And the guy from WV who did the poll that ended on the 8th - virtually identical margin as the latest ARG one - thinks his results in that poll are as good as it is likely to get for Obama. Plus, the NRA will dust off their 2nd amendment ads in a few weeks and the gap will widen - I'm betting that no matter what Obama does McGetOffMyLawn wins by at least 8 points here.

I am happy to say that if this poll is right, voters are not buying McLawn's attempt to co-opt Obama's change candidacy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/us/politics/18poll.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1221746916-5aHqvWfg4IDZz93X/qqQwQ

the trick is to look sincere whilst telling a lie. Both candidates are good at this.

As for the VPs, Mrs. Palin at a recent townhall reminded me of the beauty pagent contestant who was in the news for her faulty, nonsensical answer to a question about world peace. Same cadence and fluff to Palin's answer.

"consultant-driven mechanical process that becomes more refined with each passing election"

When you write, Craig, it is music to my ears.

And the knuclehead Spiro Palin rails against cronyism. What a joke! This is what the rethuglicans sees as the future of their GOP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=3&ei=5065&oref=slogin&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

"consultant-driven mechanical process that becomes more refined with each passing election"

When you write, Craig, it is music to my ears.

Posted by: Blonde wino | September 18, 2008 10:16 AM

That is why I think this specific blog is matsered...
I read it over and over again.... Every word is well placed.
Me luvs it....

matsered = mastered.

craig, when you wrote:
"Obama's once clear call for an immediate end to the war shifted into talk of lengthening timetables that McCain also hints at supporting despite once claiming they would be irresponsible."
was topic of this article what you had in mind?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_objects_129453.htm?page=0
and how much of that article is credible? and has it been refuted?

I know this is a national poll, and I know that national poll mean just a little more than bupkuss, but I JUS TLOVE THIS STUFF.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/polling/index.html#US_22

Bottom line - in the 3 months since Obama got the nomination sewed up, nuthin's really changed.

I have wondered if the consultants can master passion for Mr. o...he still seems reluctant, almost holding back on issues. I saw a piece on the Jewish vote in Florida and the old dems are voting for Obama as an alternative, not a champion of their causes. He is the 'lesser evil' vote and they going through the motions of voting -- secretly hoping the dem can actually pull this off and fool us back into governmental complacency.

I am still surprised of little rioting in the streets over the government mess....why do we still believe these idiots!??

Hello Alicia, I don't think the article was about going over to the GOP, just acknowledging that the Dems have shown themselves to be as sexist as we knew the GOP to be.

"Humans are just not that surprising or diverse, it turns out. For years I’ve been laboring under the misapprehension that the Right was the Party full of whack-job Wing-Nut sicko-s willing to spew rot from between the crevasse in their forked tongues."
I could very much relate to this statement. I am no longer naive.

Geez...now they think hundreds of humans may have been washed out to the gulf during Hurricane Ike. It also appears FEMA is dropping the ball in Texas (GWB's home state) and the o team needs to focus on that travesty.

pat, I can't say how much of Taheri's article is credible - but it certainly seems documented. Where he is wrong IMO is in saying that redeployment and drawdown are what is hapening in Iraq, at least in any significant measure. There is some - what, a few thousand soldiers to Afghanistan to try and put a tourniquet on the arterial bleeding occurring there - and some proposed return to pre-surge troop levels (at least as I understand Bushco's plans, but to characterize that as drawdown is a stretch. As to Obama's position on Iraq, it has softened from the one he was espousing during the early part of the primary season - maybe rightfully so, maybe not. He distinguished his osition back then from Hillary's as being that he would not have ANY conmbat troops in Iraq, only security forces to protect our people and installations there. Really, whether his shift in position is right or wrong depends on your own view of what our role in Iraq should be now that we've broken it and broken it good.

Blond wino- ."now they think hundreds of humans may have been washed out to the gulf during Hurricane Ike" Is that breaking news? Haven't been watching the TV.

Heard the tale end of this yesterday, don't know much about it- would love to hear all your opinions regarding this situation http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/update-on-obamas-logan-act-violation-in-iraq/#more-3083

Jack...thank you for the New Mexico link.

But an analysis of state records and interviews with hospital officials and administrators at several of the state's major insurers suggest that charging the patients is a widespread practice.

In the cases of more than 2,500 people who receive rape kits each year, hospitals bill the patients' health insurer. Insurance companies, in turn, require emergency room co-payments and deductible costs.

For those without insurance, hospitals send the bills to the N.C. Department of Crime Control and Public Safety, which has a modest fund to help. Reimbursements are capped at $1,000; the average cost of the rape kit exam is $1,600.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/941202.html
lots of Democrats involved.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147118

Jack -- It's no surprise to me that Democratic men can be just as sexist as GOPs. I once was a candidate for the VA legislature. At that time there was great debate a bout welfare reform. I spoke up about the need to make sure that the children of all the women leaving home for the workforce were assured of quality child care. SEVERAL of my DEMOCRATIC male colleagues assured e tha ttey had the problem solved-- because they would make a percentage of the women on welfare into child care providers -- because they said,"Who but a woman knows how to care for a child?" My response was that mere possession of a uterus dos not automatically qualify one as an early childhood expert .

When the second wave of the feminist movement began in the 1970s it was because the "Left" was routinely relegating women to menial roles in the "revolution." At countless anti-war meetings and sit-ins, women ere not the speakers and the leaders -- they were regularly demoted as sex partners, coffee-fetchers, and mimeo-machine operators. The women rebelled. "What the hell kind a revolution is this if we don't have an equal place at the startegy meetings? "

pole taxes,

Is that the tax on the may pole?

back ally

friends you met wondering through backyards?

oldseahag...I guess because of mass evacuations, no one really knows who has left by land or unwillingly by sea.

Oh how sad but thanks for the update. Had been trying to avoid the TV, guess I better catchup.

Today's Flight from Reality on blistersyeahbutchannel

The Derangement Syndrome of Do as I say not as I do

I can comment on any post I like, it's called free speech. You're wrong.

Speaking of being bored to China.

Alicia

I think the first thing I noticed when I played around with politics was that the intrenched interests are entrenched. It was a bit shocking to my young twentysomething mind. At the time I thought just having the best newest ideas was enough.

God knows how many brain cells I killed beating my head against that wall.
lol
It never changes, I ran into the same thing in my neighborhood organising. All the new comers could work with anybody but the oldtimers just worked with each other.

Jack

I will never forget sitting in a Justice Committee hearing room watching witness after witness testify on the Violence Against Women Act. Each of these witnesses had been severely injured by domestic violence. One woman was so severely injured that she was a quadraplegic and needed a ventilator to breathe. She sat in her wheelchair with her sister at her side. She couls not speak and had to use a special device to spell out her thoughts. She had written a statement that her sister read for her. The Democrats called the hearing -- the GOP was opposed to the legislation. The GOP Congressmen sat there reading newspapers, whispering to one another, basically ignoring these women. When it came to questioning, one of them actually accused to the woman in the wheelchair of "faking" her injuries and trying to go for a sympathy vote. When he was assured that the woman's injuries were real, he chastised the organization that paid for the cost of her travel and lodging to come to DC to plead her case before Congress -- calling them grandstanders.

Yep the GOP is a real friend to women. Right.

Pogo,

Could Obama win WV is he said every citizen should have a gun big enough to blast of mountain tops to get every chunk of coal? lol

Here is a "McCain" statement on the economy that we've been waiting for...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvZ1xgphalc

pogo, thanks for your 10:53 post. clears the dust somewhat.
this link is fascinating series of q&a last spring with authors of 'the three trillion dollar war"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/qna/forum/three_trillion_dollar_war/index.html
wonder how they would answer this now.
Q: Is our economy salvageable?
A: The US is a wealthy country and the war is not going to ruin the US economy. But the war has weakened our economy in several ways. First, the money spent (which largely pays for foreign subcontractors in Iraq to do transportation, cooking, laundry, repairs, and of course fuel costs) does not stimulate the US economy. Second, the war has contributed to the increase in oil prices. Third, we have borrowed the money for the war, thus increasing deficits and adding to the national debt. Fourth, we have less ability to stimulate the economy in this downturn because we are already in deficit (unlike in 2001 when we had a surplus so the recession was mild). Even if the US income levels were to fall 10%, we would still be a rich country compared to most, and we could recover. But it is a mistake to think that we can have a war for free -- which is what the Administration is implying.

OSH

Do as I say not as I do.

The best way to deal with annoying posters is to ignore them. If you have to say something say it once then move on. The only thing that changes when you wrestle with a pig is you get covered with mud.

Jack

Thanks for the reminder Jack.

Joe Biden opposes federal funding for abortion.

"Joe Biden opposes federal funding for abortion."

Cite, please

Craig

About time, this is why us Ind's keep saying, there is no diff between them and have a hard time deciding---,we are aware of the morphing process that goes on, we saw the steady adaption of HC ideas by Obama ,

Bear your sept. 17; 11:54 post is right on, I believe it would make a diff, and get the Reagan D's back, along with most people leaning one way or the other.By going after the truth of his policies that led us up to some of the mess that we are in today---but in a simple way that could be understood. When talking to some of my friends about Reagan, D's and R's they forget or did not know that Reagan started the slippery slope that led us to the unemployment tax's, the checks that they receive every two weeks is now treated as taxable income,they will think about it,. they are short $ to put food on the table----is a real big problem for them, this is one thing that will set them apart from the R's and an exception to this today's thread. Break down that wall (oops) break down that hero of theirs, like they do to the D's--look what they did to Kerry.

I also cringed( once) when Champ said what he said.He has been a target for awhile now and I believe that he had enough. The same step by step goading is done by one or two,Patsi and others, that have been run off were not any different.

# Allow women to choose, but no federal funding. (Jul 2007)
# No public funding for abortion; it imposes a view. (Apr 2007)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/joe_biden.htm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147179

Thankyou

Bear, I don't think so. He might counter the 2nd amendment argument against him, but he'd still be black. :-) Sorry, maybe in the next lifetime.

Apparently, the VAWA did not provide funding to the states to pay for or process rape kits - it's been a problem that has made the news in NC and in IL, where rape kits have been found to go untested because the local authorities don 't have the funds to process them. It may be a good Act otherwise, but it does not address the issue who pays for rape kits.

Joe Biden

Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/joe_biden.htm

Jack

I think Obama has given up on MO very few ads this morning compared to last week when they seemed equal to McCain.

Jack

Jack, MO?

Two most recent Oregon polls:

Portland Tribune..0 +10
Rasmussen..O+2

The Trib poll was done by Tim Hibbetts, a reliable, respected polling person our here..

Off to Portland for a meeting..Have fun!

Ignore the knotheads!!

Just curious....why hasn't the PMI on most of the bad mortgage loans kicked-in?

"The Federal Reserve almost quadrupled the amount of dollars central banks can auction around the world"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ahBSRLQsJFzI&refer=home

Pogo

Missouri

Blonde Wino,

The sub prime loans didn't have PMI and that's why it didn't kick in.

Also, on a conventional loan, the MI only covers the portion of the loan about the 80% threshold, which is the statistical break even point for a lender in a default situation. At 95% LTV, the lender gets a 25% premium.

If an FHA or VA loan defaults, the lender gets 100% of their money back.

Ironically, it was the governments unwillingness to make MI tax deductible until 2007 that helped exacerbate the problem. People were sold on the higher sub prime rates because more of their was greater tax benefits than a loan with the MI.

I thought so - not being there I don't see the ads. All I'm seeing in WV are what I take to be national ones.

thanks, Bear...that was the first mistake in allowing another loan for 20% down payment.

BW

Shhhhhhh,

A quiet question, who does mortgage insurance?
They have to be hurting too.

Jack

Sarah Palin isn't about 15 minutes of fame.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/18/palin-biggest-vp-draw-since-teddy-roosevelt/

speaking of mo, here's a link re her e-book. cmc has one mentioned here too:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2008/09/the-book-battle.html

Almighty insurance......it is the reason we all work so hard! It is why we pay so much to spread that risk around.

If you had the greatest rate of change in the position to pander to the voter who is the winner?

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 18, 2008 6:25 AM

The Repug hack running for the Presidency...

AIG provides mortgage insurance. Why do you think they needed to borrow money? Not too mention insuring the bundled assets as well for banks.

Since 1963, AIG United Guaranty has been committed to providing the best in mortgage insurance products and services. Today we also offer expert risk management and financial services to help you protect your investments and
expand your markets.
https://www.ugcorp.com/

"Almighty insurance......it is the reason we all work so hard!"
bw, have you ever calculated the percentage of all your insurance costs to your other bills. medical, life, car, home, products (appliances, tools, mowers etc), id theft and on and on?

BW,

Whether it was one loan or two, the biggest problem sub prime lenders made were the following:

1. They never priced in enough risk into their loans.

2. They should never have allowed ARMS on the front half of 80/20 loans.

3. They never should have done 100% financing for people with less than 620 credit scores. Countrywide, Freemont went as low as 560.

4. People should have never been allowed to have a Debt to Income Ratio of 60% of their GROSS monthly income. If you gross $3000 a month, they would let you have debt of $1800 a month and still say you qualify...If you live in a state with a state Income Tax, you may net 65% of your gross...already you can see the thin margin of error.

5. Lastly, ratings agencies were paid for everything they rated without any accountability for their work. Had they been truthful about the quality of the paper, there wouldn't have been the high yields that drove the market demand, which led to this mess...

BW

and with all the loses that insurance companies have look for a raise in all of your insurance.

My homeowners went up last month by over 10%

Jack

Craig

Excellent column today. As long as there are two major parties, and the levels of power within those parties are in the hands of the most extreme members of each, there will always be a contest over the middle ground when those parties come up against each other.

The Bush presidency with all its failures has robbed the far right of a great deal of their power and none of their potential presidential candidates could lock up the nomination leaving McCain as the one barely acceptable to all. They did retain enough power to make him toe the right's party line early on to get the nomination and then forced Palin on him to carry their message.

Obama is solidly from the left, but Biden was a token tossed to the moderates to try and keep them on board through the election. Together I believe they can do a better job of wooing the middle.

Barring a complete meltdown of Obama is some fashion, I still believe this will be a Democratic landslide. The latest events involving the financial markets once it truly registers with the average voter, should throw them firmly into the Dem column

Should the great broad middle ever totally revolt enough to either take back one or both of the major parties or create a viable third party, things could get truly interesting, but I won't hold my breath waiting for either event to happen.

patd...insurance is competing with my food dollar...home, health, lofe, auto insurance costs are about 2/3rds of my food budget.

Here's my truth -- I once was a GOP. I hated the DEMs because the only DEMs I knew were the boll weevil DEMs who liked the unreformed George Wallace of "Segregation now, Segregation forever" fame.

It was the DEMs of the South who fought integration and voting rights. The DEMS were part of the Old Guard and Jim Crow seemed like a fair enough system for them.

I wanted no part of that, so my first voter registration was GOP. I liked the GOP women, Millicent Fenwick, Claire Boothe Luce, Margaret Chase Smith, Ruth Thompson, Marguerite Church, and others like them.

That lasted all of four years -- then Reagan came in with the "Southern Strategy" and the GOP dropped the ERA and abortion rights from the platform. I was without a political home. I dabbled in third parties, tried out the "Peace and Freedom" party and actually registered that way for one cycle. Then I realized that the two party system was here to stay and that if I wanted change, I had a better bet going with the DEMs who now were losing the segregationists and boll weevils to the GOP.

I'd rather raise hell with the DEMs and force change from the inside, than jump to the GOP which has nothing left for me anymore.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147200

Ask and ye shall recieve, thanks

Jack

Off to work to pay those insurance bills...geez, we're all going to die.

I sure miss John Edwards....I hope he is enjoying his new family and hopefully, merging into an extended family.

"To know her, it seems, is not necessarily to love her. . .
But then a funny thing happened: Palin seems to have lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12)** of any of the Final Four. [UPDATE: The Sept. 17 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll shows Palin at 47 percent favorable and 37 percent unfavorable--an even narrower +10 split.] Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147183

Jack, That is a mixed bag of positions. With which do you agree or disagree?

Today's Flight from Reality on blistersyeahbutchannel

The Derangement Syndrome of Do as I say not as I do

Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | September 18, 2008 11:08 AM

I am DYING to know who posts this every day... C'mon you can tell me :-)

Sarah Palin isn't about 15 minutes of fame.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/18/palin-biggest-vp-draw-since-teddy-roosevelt/

Posted by: Ree | September 18, 2008 11:59 AM

You think Powerpuff Girl is going to be around after the November election?

The blog recognizes the Senator from Nebraska.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/hagel_palin

"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said."

Jamie

Actually it is a very steady set of positions except for the support of the no federal funding of abortions.

Being for choice does not mean you support abortion.

Most abortions that happen in the this country are questionable imo. But it is not my choice or decision.
I agree with HRC Abortions should be safe, rare and legal.

Jack

Blue

Change she to he and it is an equally true statement.

Jack

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/04/30/35recaps.h27.html

Next, we will be hearing Palin chargedspecial needs children for services.

Jack

I found myself agreeing with the majority of his votes and asked about your positions simply because while I am pro choice, I still prefer the safe, rare, and legal approach.

Just listening to palin:(no comment on voice)

It must be something to do with being from there.
I've known (know)several people from AK, mostly Native, but some later who located there later and there is almost a We -You undertone in what they say. A good example; Palin just commented about building the new gas pipeline so they send their product to US down here. I guess we're so lucky.
Makes me wonder just how much truth there is to all the stories about her and the 'first dunce" being members of the separationist groups.
I expect it out of the Inuits and others Native Alaskans, but not from relocationists.

Abortion is a medical procedure and should be covered for anyone. Biden is imposing his religious views. He says it's fine for some one to have an abortion, but he refuses to pay for it because he is a Catholic.

McCain is reading a speech again. He has spent his whole career with the aid of writers. It will be interesting to see how the Presidential debate goes. Can Obama learn enough and can McCain remember enough to get through the hour?

Obama can win PA with help from Biden & Hil'ry.

In politics, "maverick" may just mean truthful, in which case, Hagel is the real McCoy.

There are the "cut off their nose to spite their own faces" Hil'ry supporters, but I think the numbers are dwindling. I predict the pride will goeth before the fall.

Scary logic: On a clear night, I can see the moon from my front porch. I guess that means I'm qualified to join NASA...or as Contessa Brewer says it, "Nassau." (That's in the Bahamas 'tessa.)

Good book to read about insurance companies and how they grease the wheels of commerce:

http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Bankers-Everything-Insurance-Industry/dp/0671228498

Jamie

the problem with the website imo is votes don't always mean support. Their are a number of reasons to vote for a bill, including, living to fight another day

As sock posted 2 votes I posted the rest of the list.

Jack

Watching the Dow numbers to take my mind off the speech and avoid the temptation to gouge out my ears. It is all over the place

The bulls are trying to go shopping for low hanging fruit, but the bears are still in control.

For someone who got his panties in a twist over paying for rape kits, having a position to deny federal funds to pay for abortion should be of concern.

Never mind

Jamie

There is always money to be made in a panic.
I'm just not smart enough to do it.

Jack

Abortion is a medical procedure and should be covered for anyone. Biden is imposing his religious views. He says it's fine for some one to have an abortion, but he refuses to pay for it because he is a Catholic.

Posted by: sock drawer open | September 18, 2008 12:34 PM

Agreed, but why pray tell, would you support McInsane who is totally against abortion and the Powerpuff Girl who is even more so?

Even scarier logic.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080918/us_time/maxedoutmoms

"Honestly, I don't know what to do. I really don't want to vote for McCain. You can tell he only cares about rich people. Sarah Palin wears glasses that cost $300. McCain's wife wears Gucci clothes. Which means they don't know anything about people like me." Into that stew of assumptions, she adds: "I hear that Obama's a Muslim. If he is a Muslim, that would be a problem, because the terrorists already attacked us." (He's not.)

Kraft Foods Inc. will replace American International Group Inc. in the Dow Jones Industrial Average effective Monday, a further sign of the woes afflicting the insurance giant

Pretty damn fast. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. lmao

The only one spinning here is you. I didn't try to pain Biden as anything, just pointed out a fact. You are the one who jumped to the conclusion.

Someone asked for the cite which I provided. You are the most who got his panties in a twist.

I worked for one of the major mortgage insurance companies in California back in the late 70s early 80s so was in on the ground floor of watching them try to get usury limits raised on interest, the creation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the creation of ARMs ... all of the things that came back to haunt them and eventually led to its takeover in the late 90s.

All of these sub prime insurers have been steadily dropping and merging since 2000 with the majority disappearing back in 2006. All the canaries were flopping over in their cages and the miners were too busy mining for gold to notice they were about to die.

Rez

Gotta save the Dow,
But that says it all, AIG is gone

Jack

Reproductive Health Equity Act -- will now have to cover contraception since the GOP's latest gambit is to outlaw contraception which they refer to as "chemical abortion" or "abortafacient." (Which, BTW is not a medical term. It is a political term concocted by the mandatory childbirth crowd.

The (Henry) Hyde amendment to Title X of the Public Health Services Act prohibits any use of federal funds on abortion services.

I once had a case of a woman whose husband was a Navy CWO. She and her husband were excited about having a third child. Her pregnancy was becoming very difficult and she had tests to see how the fetus was doing. The fetus had only a brain stem. If carried to full term, the baby would only live a few hours. Meanwhile the pregnancy was taking a psychological and physical toll on the woman, who also had two young children to care for.

Her doctor recommended that the pregnancy be terminated to preserve this woman' s future ability to bear children and because the fetus was so severely affected. It would be a second trimester abortion and would have to be done in hospital. The situation was heartbreaking for the entire family -- a wanted pregnancy gone tragically wrong, endangering the mother's fertility for a baby that was doomed to die soon after birth. The family's grief was compounded by the fact that the military health insurance would not pay one dime for her treatment. They had to take out a loan to pay for the surgery and hospital stay, adding a financial burden of thousands of dollars to their grief.

Is this what the forced-birth advocates intended?

"Politically Pissed - I hope you didn't mean what you seemed to be saying. You are really sharp and can state your own thoughts very forcefully without being snarky. Well, at least not to me since I agree with just about everything you say. C'mon, don't give up. If you need to, drop out for a bit - just be sure to come back.
You are one of the necessities" by: bethyboo | September 18, 2008 2:42 AM

Bethy, I glad you wrote that post to Rita. .

Rita, I agree all those things in the above paragraph. You're one of my favorites here and the more opinions, the better. May I ask you why you said you won't be around?

OBAMA TELLS SUPPORTERS: 'ARGUE AND GET IN THEIR FACE
Obama mocks McCain in Nevada stopsl
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics

What will the new administration do to mandate food safety? The Chinese have finally poisoned themselves...with the same stuff they used to poison our pets. What about the worldwide famine? Man does not live by corn syrup alone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080918/wl_nm/china_milk_dc

What do you wanna bet that Scary's debate prep consists of being able to find Dubai and the Canary Islands on a map?

I don't know - I have heard arguments for and against federal funding of abortions (affects only those on Meidcaid and Medicare - and I don't think a lot of Medicare recipients need that particular benefit) or those who might qualify for medical care in federally funded family planning clinics (Are there such things? There are none around here.). Generally, money follows policy, and with a repug like dumya in the WH, no way, no how would money that "encourages" abortions by paying for them among the poor ever be signed into law. The other argument against I've heardis that abortionis an elective medical procedure, and federal dollarsshould only pay for preventive and necessary medical care. I personally disagree with that position, but it's one I've heard in discussons with my conservative friends - most of whom are relatively well off and have private health insurance of course.

How Wall Street Sold Out America

"Coping in this new world will require adjustments by millions of Americans. We all will have to start living within our means — or preferably below them. If you don't overborrow or overspend, you're far less vulnerable to whatever problems the financial system may have. And remember one other thing: the four most dangerous words in the world for your financial health are "This time, it's different." It's never different. It's always the same, but with bigger numbers."
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1842123,00.html

(Which, BTW is not a medical term. It is a political term concocted by the mandatory childbirth crowd.

This is the way the far right has taken over the public thought process. They have turned "Pro Choice" into "Pro Abortion".vs being "Pro Life" Inheritance Tax has become "Death Tax". There seems to be a unique talent for controlling the argument by controlling the terms that will cause the most reaction in the most people while benefitting as few people as possible.

"OBAMA TELLS SUPPORTERS: 'ARGUE AND GET IN THEIR FACE Obama mocks McCain in Nevada stopsl"

Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | September 18, 2008 12:59 PM

Writing your own headlines now.

Now here's something that might give you pause.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/business/yourmoney/18money.html?hp

When money market funds aren't worth a dollar, things are bad.

No, took it from Real Clear Politics.
Put quotes around it if it bothers you so much.

enough said

Republican Rep. Endorses Obama

"Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, a maverick Republican from Maryland, endorsed Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for president in an interview with WYPR, Baltimore's National Public Radio station Wednesday."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Republican_Congressman_endorses_Obama.html

Alicia,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147244

"Is this what the forced-birth advocates intended?" It is exactly what they intended.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. ****I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.***

some little troll is having trouble reading.

From Chloe's link

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," "

Jack

"I like the difference's people have with one another it makes it more like a family and like it or not no family is ever like "The Walton's".
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147087

Great Post Tony. I couldn't agree with you more

chloe, wonder who could have written that to you? I could guess, but won't.

Thanks Jack!

I actually took that headline from Drudge's link to that story this morning. (realized it wasn't RCP, although I use theirs some times too.)

Jamie,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147251

You are what I believe they refer to as an astute political observer. :-)

Ha pogo. I don't even wonder about it anymore. Although I could narrow it down real easily.

Things have been really off balance in my life lately, thanks to Ike. But I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts the last few days. Thanks for all the interesting conversations that have taken place here.

Pogo

Heard about that yesterday. Ouch, remember money markets were low risk, right?

My wife and I decided to go ahead and cash my father in laws insurance policies in. we are going to have to in the next year anyway. They are small and there won't be much of a tax hit.

We are going to keep out 401k and ira where they are mostly in a S&P fund. I've rode it down this far no sense bailing now. We are going to see about getting the house out of debt and transfering it to the rental property. If everything else goes to hell we have a house.

I'm usually optimistic and believe it will all blow over but this is starting to worry me.

Jack

Jack

Did I say something bothered me??

Want to send out a 'Hi' to Julie, Marcia, Patsi and others I haven't seen enough of on the site lately. Miss you all and hope you still look in now and then. Julie, I did see a couple of your posts yesterday, I think it was, and enjoyed them. Also enjoyed Sea's posts, along with everyone else's.

Without the benefit of reading all of the above comments, Craig are your reviving the old saying about Tweedledee and Tweedledum? The candidates are pressing so hard to the middle there's hardly any air in there to breathe. Even the slogan "change" has been morphed into each other's campaign. Yep, tweedledee and tweedledum!

U.S. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., said Wednesday he would hold a Sept. 24 hearing to look at the need for a longer-term federal response to the financial crisis.

Barney that is what JM suggested, and BHO said that is the old DC way of dealing with issues. No more hearings, no more panels, no more discussion groups, we are going to fix the problem.

I knew BHO believes himself smart, but I didn't know he could fix the world problems, financial, trade, governing, budget, war etc., without seeking the advise of others experts?

Pogo
The problem with the quote, as it is isolated, is it sounds so amaturish. I'm assuming if in context it has more meaning and flow.
Telling folks to get in peoples faces, such aggressiveness would drive off more votes than it attracts I imagine. After all the only people undecided at this point don't love the game as the rest of us do.

Jack

Republican Controlled Government Says:

“We don’t have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don’t have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don’t have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don’t have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don’t have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war

BUT

We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war

When the LITTLE GUY needs help, they scornfully say, “GET A JOB!”
But when of their BIG GUY CRONIES need a bailout, what do they say?

LET ME GET THE CHECK BOOK!”

"The Real Scoop On Palin’s Staged Town Hall Meeting — Another Pretend Moment!
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

So, what was the catch? Unlike most town-hall events, which are open to the public, include diverse crowds, and no one needs an advance invitation, this event was for ticket-holders only. And the only way to get a ticket was through the local Republican Party, after an advance RSVP. No wonder Palin was prepared to play "stump the candidate" — it was a very friendly crowd that had no interest in testing her.
It doesn’t exactly sound like a vote of confidence in the candidates’ ability to answer tough questions, does it?"

How long will the GOP continue to get away with lying, cheating and deceiving the American people? McCain and Palin are frauds.

McCain Wants to Gamble With Social Security!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

hey all, for our next Trail Mix Video does anyone know some recognziable signature songs about or somehow referencing the following the states?

Colorado, Michigan, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Nevada

"MCCAIN'S LIES HAVE RANGED FROM THE ANNOYING TO THE SLEAZY"

"John McCain and the Lying Game"
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html

Nice trait in a president. Haven't we just been through 8 years of this?

Holdings a hearing(s) is a big difference that creating a Commission in my book.

It's worrying you and me both, Jack. Mrs. P & I have been discussing what the hell to do with what he have in various accounts - because of her business, FDIC means about as much as a pimple on a rhino's ass to her - and we have come to the conclusion that the fallback positions we've had in the past - put it in the MM and forego any return to speak of on it - is now not a safe fallback position. Until yeaterday, it never occured to me that MM accounts were backed by investments in such safe places as AIG. And I'm not even going to look at my 401-K right now. What option do I have anyway - the guys who might advise me are just shooting in the dark right now, and if I looked at it I wouldn't be able to sleep.

I still haven't decided how I will vote, and therefore am keeping my eyes wide open. Just saying that so none of you will think I'm pushing some kind of message here. I respect all your opinions and am able to look at it from your points of view when I read your posts.

"Sarah Palin may become the first vice-presidential nominee to win the White House for the top of the ticket."

"John F. Kennedy could not have won Texas and, therefore, the electoral vote in 1960 without Lyndon B. Johnson, according to popular wisdom. But that was a single-state effect."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/18/palin-biggest-vp-draw-since-teddy-roosevelt/

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,"

Why doesn't BHO get in my face? Asking his supporters to do what the D's have been asking him to start doing, doesn't speak well of BHO's backbone. Don't send your goobers to my home to cause a disturbance. That is just not a good idea.

Craig

Re Songs
Depending on what you are going for...
Of course there is "4 dead in O Hi O" or you could use the big ten school fight songs which are pretty recognizable

Go Badgers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvVSp523-pY

Hello Chloe, Been busy but am in my kitchen today so I can pop in between batchs!

Remember...

"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"

"Don't send your goobers to my home to cause a disturbance."

Uh oh, Fry. Can we get in your face and argue with you here? :)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147276

On the banks of Ohio ? Anyway it's a song I had done by OLivia Newton John, probably not originally.

Good Sea.

I've been reading your posts and we still see a lot of things eye to eye. But to tell the truth, I don't judge people by their political views. I judge them by how they treat others (if I judge them at all).

Colorado = Rocky Mountain High

DURING THE 9 PM TIME SLOT RACHEL MADDOW BEATS LARRY KING, BY A LITTLE OVER 100K VIEWERS!!!!!

SAME TIME SLOT, FOX's HANNITY/COLMES BEAT MS MADDOW BY 1,335,000 VIEWERS. MSNBC NEVER DISAPPOINTS TO DISAPPOINT.

Jack, it ain't the first amateurish thing I've heard from both candidates this election cycle. That's part of the problem with a pervasive media and a 24 hour news cycle - any off the cuff comment - and I can't say this was one - can be taken out of context, repeated and made to be a defining statement of the candidate. I think it's all fair game now - the campaigns and their supporters have to jump in and defend and explain the statements as out of context, meaning the opposite of what the words normally mean, that sort of thing or live with the fallout.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147274

This is all the context that SFGate provided.

"In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.""

It may add a little to what chloe posted, but she did post the link, and I think what she posted was plenty fair.

I am going to sleep early... Goodnight all...

Pogo

The other problem is being too stupid and screwing myself with my paranoia.

But I am going to hunker down a bit.

Jack

Florida = Seminole Bingo

Rez,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147278

You bet - how long did it take the 9/11 commission to come up with a list of recommendations to address what the republicans have portrayed as the defining event of the century so far, and how long did it take for Dumya to adopt ANY of its recommendations? Commissions are where they send problems in Washington to die slow deaths.

Colorado
Rocky mountain high

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147296

jack - were you referring to money or to chloe's post? We've got 2 discussions running concurrently. LOL

chloe,

You may. ;-)

But seriously do you understand telling your supporters to do such a thing?

It's hard to swallow McCain's populace rhetoric when he's clearly a PRO DEREGULATIONS kinda guy.

There's nothing populace nor popular about that.

He's blaming everyone and everything for the predicted financial ruins of the world other than BushCo and the Republican controlled congress of 6 of the last 8 years.

Gawd

tt

Brain,

Maybe Christmas will come early.

The Pope Dope Nope Hope signs mentioned yesterday are now available on a T Shirt

http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/hope-nope-pope-dope-on-variety-of-dark-tees/280275818

Gotcha Fry.

Reg. that post on Rachel Maddow's ratings, here's a piece I saw yesterday that show's all there ratings. I actually saw a better one before this, but couldn't find it just now

.Rachel Maddow Ratings: Beats Olbermann's "Countdown"
To Be MSNBC's Top Show
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/rachel-maddow-ratings-bea_n_127391.html

ET,

I had another question or 10 about your gas station. I'll catch up with you later.

CRAIG:

OHIO

Neil Young - Ohio - Live at Massey Hall

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=bv6kwG4BhC8

tt

Jon Bon Jovi - Santa Fe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ56h4ql8Dk

TY Chloe.

CRAIG:

Everyone in Ohio knows these:

"Script Ohio"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rPNnIFH6_RU

"Hang On Sloopy"

(That's the Block "O")

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5oPiBSktp6M&feature=related

Yeah, I graduated from OSU. But I don't know the history of Sloopy.

tt

31. New Mexico

Johnny Cash — New Mexico
In which a cow puncher kindly invites Mr Cash to spend a pleasant summer in New Mexico, only to encounter a troublesome time with hail storms, thistles and Indians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2007/sep/14/usa.roadtrips?page=4

from an article 50 songs fifty states

Here's a better OHIO video.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HVi-DXOfnAM

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147300

LOL

It was the money conversation but now that you point it out I guess it applies to both.

In a hunkering down mood.

Jack

thanks for the state song ideas, folks. we're tracking

Craig

Colorado Trail is a beautiful old folk song and applied to all the drovers herding over rough country and remembering the ladies they left behind. Here are two versions. The first has scenery. The second is The Kingston Trio version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ZTDyzNZFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547Buf2IVYQ&feature=related

"But seriously do you understand telling your supporters to do such a thing?"

Fry, Since you asked......

The first thing I thought of was how aggressive some of his supporters have been all along. Then I would hear from the media, and elsewhere, that Obama's not like that, and he can't be responsible for what his 'fans' are saying and doing.

Then, he comes out and says to get in their faces (as if that will change anyone's mind). I was already annoyed with him, and this didn't do him any good, as far as I'm concerned.

But I always saw him that way anyway, asking others to do his work for him.

WV
Anywhere Else it Would Have Been Called the Teethbrush.

Oh, alright, for WV - Country Roads.

"People shouldn't make a decision this time based on, 'I like that guy' or 'she's cute,'" she said.

Cute? Who JM? Well I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. Now if you asked the women of The View you may have heard Barbara Walters saying to your husband, "We thought you were very sexy looking".

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93995100&show_article=1

Glenn Miller Orchestra - Pennsylvania 6-5000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGQNm4EKoc

Not about the state but much better music then the Polka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEYWoG5RDXM

The ultimate fight song: On Wisconsin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY2O95tR34I&feature=related

FryDaddy,

How is that any different from McCain speaking over his convention crowd just saying fight for the last minute?

Glenn Miller with Pennsylvania 6-5000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGQNm4EKoc

Sometime the people on Morning Jo change their hats.

Mika agreed with Larry Kudlow that part of the problem with the housing crisis had to do with Government programs that put low end income people into homes they can't afford. But Jo thought Kudlow was saying low income familes shouldn't have a home, which Kudlow didn't say, and then MIKA chimed in and said, "People should apply for loan that they can afford". OMG, Mika, I am flabbergasted.

The Miami Vice theme might be fun for Florida

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkurWAXgZs

It's because it's McLiar, Bear.

everyone is losing money ( wealth / security call it whatever you want ) ....no solutions in the short term....

This is very bad. Now that it has finally started hitting ( with a huge bat) voters who thought they were immune, maybe some of those voters will start looking more seriously at the two choices for POTUS.....and how the two parties differ in economic policy.

Craig,

I don't know if it's the direction you'd want to go, but Perry Como had a song that I think included all the states. I hope it was called "What Did Delaware?"

Fry, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Mika had never applied for a mortgage loan herself at all and has no idea how the process actually works. They're just paid to be on camera and talk.

MORE TEMPTATION

http://www.canneryrow.com/

Heh... Looks like you got a little visit from the Libertarians last night, eh? Of course, no one wants to address their issues; I guess the political football game is more entertaining, and God knows Americans love entertainment. Stars! Lights! Heroes! Villians! Bullshit.

Thanks for the kind words, tony and Solar. The only reason I'm a target is because I made myself one. Fear not; I won't go gently into that good night.

Sea, Are you still here?

Democrats, Florida elections officials criticize GOP mailing

RNC and JM already caught in a voter caging scheme in Florida. Damn, a liar and a cheat!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814237.ece#email

Message Convergence Drives The Presidential Race to Begin Anew...

With the financial services crisis in full swing, the Republicans bump out of their convention was short-lived. As of close of trading on September 18th, the probability of Obama and McCain winning the November Presidential election is tied -- 50% to 50% -- according to trading on the Intrade.com Presidential Futures market.

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

"Fear not; I won't go gently into that good night."

Glad to hear that Champ.

The individuals who hacked into Sarah Palin's email, and those who were foolish enough to post the hacked emails, are very similar to a thief selling you a new car $50,000 car for $5,000. The buyer can not fall back on the old stand-by, "But I didn't know it was stolen." The buyer shares in the responsibility of knowing what they buy, or in this case what was given/sent to them and then decided to posted the acknowledged hacked email on their web site. How stupid.

craig, there's "why oh why oh why oh, why did i ever leave ohio" from the musical wonderful town
and stretching it a bit for florida, there's 'tallahassee lassie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdBV9KPiHXI&feature=related

Sea,
After I left that post to you, I got worried it may have been interpreted the wrong way. I want to make sure you know I was complimenting you because you treat others so well. It's sometimes difficult to express myself on a blog. Misunderstandings worry me, because at times what I mean and what's heard on the other end are two different things.

Rez, under what possible circumstances could you even remotely consider that republicans might be doing something less than honest in the voting process in FL? Oh, wait, never mind.

Brain,

No, I am sorry that their isn't a cure for your illness.

Posted by: patd | September 18, 2008 2:47 PM
Good ones!

Anyone who would like to scare themselves can go buy "The Fourth Turning"

http://www.fourthturning.com/

The guys who brought you "Generations" came up with this one before 2000 predicting the next "crisis" cycle.

Their latest book "Mellennials Rising" is about the next "greatest generation".

http://www.fcg.gov/documents/Millennials_Rising_bkreview.pdf

If you believe that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it, then these are the books about the coming repetition.

Calling All Policy Gurus

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda-michel/calling-all-policy-gurus_b_127445.html

Lardo, we got competition.

A new stop on the Flip Flop express...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/palin_no_offens.html

Palin: No offense intended to organizers

Champ,

Good seeing you back. Hang in there!

Bye all.

I know no one is going to like the source here (Rove), but what he's saying reminded me about what Jack (negative ads) and others have been saying:

Obama Needs to Sell Himself,
Not Attack McCain
The idealism and discipline that led to Mr. Obama's early primary victories has been replaced by unattractive attacks on Mr. McCain. Both campaigns have engaged in a tit-for-tat, but because Mr. Obama ran on "turning the page" on "old politics," he suffers more than Mr. McCain....."

"The people who can be won over by shouting "McCain is Bush" long ago sided with Mr. Obama. That message does not resonate with undecided voters. The Democrat should instead spend every moment spelling out what he would do to address the country's challenges."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122169427700049941.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080918/us_time/maxedoutmoms

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/co/colorado_mccain_vs_obama-546.html

So...what's the Democratically-controlled congress doing to address the financial crisis? Anything? No? They'd rather let us stew than make tough decisions in an election year? Huh. Imagine that.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147360

Bear, the comment that comes to mind is, "Bull-shit!" She didn't mean to offend community organizers as not having responsibility? And didn't mean to hurt Barry's feelings? Really? You could never tell that from her original comment. Good thing she explained it - I'm sure Obama and the people who were offended feel so much better now.

This is all the work of a consultant-driven mechanical process that becomes more refined with each passing election.

The political parties 'converged' a long time ago, but that's no news to you, is it, Craig? You've identified the problem, how about some solutions?

"Too bad because a party that truly believes in personal freedom and limited government is worth hearing from in these days of major parties that equivocate and prevaricate on those principles."

Oh really? What say you about them then, besides your ridicule of ONE third party candidate. You were in Minnesota. Any news from the Ron Paul convention? Nothing worth hearing from them?

I dunno champ - they've been ridiculed here for scheduling hearing on the issue - maybe they should appoint a commission. LOL

Latest State by State from Survey USA

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/electoral-college-results.html

Well, here's Obama's chance to author major legislation and make a difference. Oh wait, is he even a Senator any more, or just a perpetual candidate?

Obama or McCain neither one yet convincing voters on economic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080918/pl_rasmussen/bankfailure20080918

political horse race :: fiddling

as

financial crisis :: Rome burning

How 'bout some more polls? Keep 'em coming, they're very important!

julie - they are both in "blather while we try to figure out what to say about it" mode.

Jack:

I think you will like this, from Aurora Il,-----As his class mates cheered and teachers slapped him with -high fives, 10 year old Diego Ramirez advanced to the podium, and in steady, confident tone, the Mccleery Elementary School student proudly read the essay that earned his school a brand new $50,000 play ground (I saw the picture of the one that you help build). Eliciting laughter at times-and moving a few teachers to tears---Diego arrived at the final paragraph of the essay he composed last year for a competition: "Even though I am in the fourth grade, I think you are never too old to have fun."

Another one:---104 yr old man was denied throwing the first pitch by the cubs, after promising him that he could.

Another one:---A fuel surcharge for cocaine?
An Ind. man told a police informant he's charging customers an extra $25 because high gas prices have boosted his delivery expenses.

Or, champ, as the ranking member of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, McCain could author legislation on this problem? Nah, too busy blathering.

Tell it to a Republican, pogo.

Any legislation to deal with this current problem is bound to be complex and require fairly lengthy committee hearings and consultation before even a word could progress to the writing stage.

In an election year when there is likely to be a large turnover in seats in both houses, there is simply not time to accomplish this. They could start the ball rolling, but it isn't about to come to the floor anytime before next Spring.

About the only thing that could be done at this stage is to enforce existing rules and regulations which could be changed via interpretation and fiat. The problem is do you trust the people who have been making those enforcement decisions up to now to change their minds in a way that will help correct the problems.

BlueINdallas

There are the "cut off their nose to spite their own faces" Hil'ry supporters, but I think the numbers are dwindling. I predict the pride will goeth before the fall.

Posted by: blueINdallas

My wife and I both wear artificial gold noses like 16th C. astronomer Tycho Brahe with pride, besides it seems rather sagacious of us considering the raising price of gold. We each vote according to our own lights...

regards, toast

Why doesn't BHO get in my face? Asking his supporters to do what the D's have been asking him to start doing, doesn't speak well of BHO's backbone. Don't send
Posted by: FryDaddy

FryDaddy,

His supporters "believe" he has a backbone much like his appendix, it's there - but its function unknown.

regards,
toast

This election to me is like no other, the dynamics have caused a seismic shift and for the first time the democratic nominee was selected by the DNC, a seditious MSM, and a meeting of three voting blocks. The AA are voting in a near monolith after being rewarded in the primaries with extra delegates in "weighted districts," aptly named "rotten boroughs" in England. Then there's the "youth vote," its very name speaks for itself, and lastly the Moveon fundamentalists.

We are at a crossroad and Robert Frost comes to mind.

I believe most here will dutifully follow the party road which likely will lead to "victory," your numbers ever growing; some are pulled by the Supreme Ct., others by party, many are thoughtful, conflicted marching inexorably down that well worn road to probably victory and possible ignominy. Marching alongside the stalwarts Clyburn, Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Matthews, and Olbermann, who "buried the Clintons," and I praise them all for their combined cunning, it was "neatly" done.

Yet I cannot reward such sorry villainy and so I will take the less traveled path and hopefully with good company,

ROAD LESS TRAVELED

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence
Two roads diverged in a wood
And I took the one less traveled by
And that has made all the difference

Robert Frost

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Has anyone heard this new Obama ad that has pissed of McCain's Latino support?

It seems to have tied McCain to Limbaugh because McCain the candidate had said he wouldn't vote for the immigration bill McCain the Senator wrote...

It seems that more of Palin's earmark requests have been found...

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/17/1413605.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147389

So you will follow the Republican road that you know will put the most boulders in your way and raise mountains for you to climb to get out of the ditch they dug for you.

At least with the well worn Democratic path, you know it stands a chance of taking you close to where you want to go.

Here's the Obama comment about McCain immigration flip flop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRCjN3wZ48Y

Mark 11:23

Hey Chloe, The silence was due to lots of people stopping in and out of the shop- not your post- no worries. I understood your post, and can tell by your posts that you aren't a judgmental person. The link I posted earlier in the day resonated with me because In all honesty, I guess I have over the years been leery of right wingers, and in effect I did have higher expectations of Dems, in the past.

Bloomberg is right and wrong about AIG being a Chinese company. AIG is a corporation, founded initially by an American, Cornelius Vander Starr, in Shanghai in 1919 as a small insurance company. To call it a Chinese company is a bit of a stretch considering that it moved to the US (NY) in 1939 (12 years before I was born) when its oriental companies were effectively shut down because of the war. The company, or more appropriately corporate structure we think of as AIG today is an American Company, incorporated in 1967 in NY, and is the largest insurance group of companies in the world. It has only one oriental gentleman on its board of Directors, and was chaired by 47 years by founding chairman M.R. Greenberg, who stepped down in 2005 to be succeeded by Martin Sullivan as President & CEO and Frank Zarb as interim Chair. Some of its companies are undoubtedly Chinese, but that is about as Chinese as it gets.

http://www.aig.com/history_547_104196.html

Jamie,

New high score is 211

champ, I'm sure Fry and Ping will read it.

"Yet I cannot reward such sorry villainy and so I will take the less traveled path and hopefully with good company,"

Good for you toast. I respect you for it.

Thanks Sea. I would have worried about it.

The header of "my.barackobama.com":

"I'm asking you to believe..."

Sure beats thinking, eh? Barack Obama: like Jesus, but for atheists! Put that on a poster.

Are you still traveling Champ?

"I'm asking you to believe..."

He's a 'have faith' sort of guy.
Do as I say, not as I do.

I've been reading your posts, pogo, and although they are often enjoyable, they certainly have gotten more partisan as of late. It seems the best case you can make for Obama is that he isn't as bad as McCain, which is a pretty sad statement.

"oriental" is a food, not a people, by the way.

Whew!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/business/19markets.html?hp

Dow closes up 410 pts. Now above 11,000.

Heading to Hawaii in 2 weeks, Chloe. Might just stay there.

"Heading to Hawaii"

You'll have a warm Christmas if you do stay.
What could be nicer.

champ - pardon me, Asian.

I am a partisan, and Ihave never claimed to be anything else - and I'm afraid your assessment of my posts and the best case I can make for Obama is too close to the truth by half. I have two choices of potential winners from all the candidates running for pres., and of the 2 I'll not take McCain. :-)

As long as that's the accepted reality, it will remain so. Just don't call it an 'election'.

btw, champ, I used Oriental in this sense only. One of Little Pogo's classmates frequently says to him and his other classmates "You're just jealous of me because I'm Oriental." Hope I didn't offend anyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental

champ, oh, it's an election, alright. It may not be one that presents you the options you'd like as potential winners, but hey, that's our 2 party system.

Bethyboo- Just to clarify, I am not a Repub, my friends would be rolling on the floor if they heard someone call me that. But I have been accused of that and much worse here. Yesterday I joined your ranks and am now officially unenrolled! Never thought I'd see the day, but here it is.

Does McCain or Obama get it?
Or, maybe they do get it but are unwilling to talk about what's really a complicated problem that calls for a solution requiring everyone to pitch in.
Instead both candidates have offered "blame game" rhetoric on the stump and little more in the form of written policy.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-says-mccain-just-doesnt/story.aspx?guid={AA1A280D-3AC9-4A88-B049-55A1F0BEB981}

Play Defense with These ETFs

So scratch the gold-and-real-estate prospect. No sector is fully immune from an economic downturn, but here is where we are looking

http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=253459&pgid=rss

Pogo, I often have said Oriental too.
I didn't know that could be offensive.
(but what do I know).

I'm just messin' with you, BP. You think I ____ _ ____? Have a good one.

Pogo,
I 'm afraid that +400 is very temporary

""oriental" is a food, not a people, by the way. "

Actually, Champ, many older Oriental people prefer that term as it differentiates the people of China, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia, from other Asians.

Although, for all those ethnicities, many immigrants are quite agreeable with being identified by their home of origin. Like, I'm originally from Honk Kong. Others, will say, I'm from Cleveland, or wherever.

Many young people will just say Asian--which I think is dumb.

Decided to check my most trusted dictionary

oriental Definition
1. Old Poet. eastern
2. being corundum of gemstone quality, but resembling another gem oriental topaz
3. of the Far East or its people or culture; Eastern
4. designating or of the biogeographic realm that includes Southeast Asia south of the Himalayas, the Philippines, Sumatra, Java, Borneo, and other associated islands
http://www.yourdictionary.com/oriental

Yesterday I joined your ranks and am now officially unenrolled"

Doesn;t it feel good Sea?
At first I felt like an orphan. Now I just feel free. I'm glad I followed through on what I knew was the right thing to do (for me).

UB, I expect you're right and hope you're wrong.

chloe, yeah, me, too, but then again, I haven't lived anywhere where there was a substantial number of Asian folks since the 70s when the term Oriental as applied to people was no longer PC.

Biden: McCain economic plan ‘ultimate Bridge to Nowhere’

“If you look at John McCain’s answers for the economy, and we’re in such desperate shape,” Biden continued, “[They’re] the ultimate bridge to nowhere. It’s nowhere. It takes you nowhere.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/biden-mccain-economic-plan-%E2%80%98ultimate-bridge-to-nowhere%E2%80%99/

___ It was a really nice rally I spoke with one Stark County resident, she's really worried Barack won't win Ohio.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147408

Pogo time to sing

"Happy Days are Here Again!" (Ben Selvin & Crooners, 1930

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsT4xnKZPg

"Like, I'm originally from Honk Kong."

Hi Flatus,
That must be that little town down the road with all those new and used car lots. :-)

j/f with you.

OT

Solar .... was re reading your post fromt he other day about Juice ... in that post you mentioned Gabapentin ... i didn't reconize the name so looked it up ... Neurontin, the name brand is what i took about 8 years ago ... am allergic, but glad it's helping you ..

I'm getting the juicer this weekend , have everything except carrots in the house { we can't keep them in, we love them raw & cooked, lol } my daughter is going in ½ with me, as she was diagnosed with arthritis in her lumbar & her knees, about 6 years ago .. so I know the juicer will pay for it's self over time ...

thanks for all the advice the other day, won't be on for awhile ...

take care everyone ...

viv

ps. LL, I can't say for sure if I can do wha you suggested last night .. right now, no .. but who knows in the future ...

chloe, you left this out.

"noun

a person born in the Far East or a member of a people of that region

Oriental Synonyms
Oriental
modif.

Eastern, Far Eastern, Near Eastern, Asian; see Asian 1, 2."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSMAR86120320080918

The next dominoes?

(The Big Money) Think of it as the head-fake economy. It goes like this: On Monday you spit out your coffee when you read in the morning paper that giant company A is going to go bust.

(WaMu, Wachovia, Ambac are discussed) (editors note at end with update)

oops.
But from what you said, it's still politically incorrect?

Some of the things we learn here ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient

wiki gives us a pc lesson:
"...the American Heritage Book of English Usage notes that

It is worth remembering, though, that Oriental is an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. It is most objectionable in contemporary contexts and when used as a noun, as in "the appointment of an Oriental to head the commission". In these cases Asian (or a more specific term such as Vietnamese, Korean, or Asian American, if appropriate) is the only acceptable term. But in certain historical contexts, or when its exotic connotations are integral to the topic, Oriental remains a useful term.[3]
Random House's Guide to Sensitive Language states "Other words (e.g., Oriental, colored) are outdated or inaccurate." This Guide to Sensitive Language suggests the use of "Asian or more specific designation such as Pacific Islander, Chinese American, [or] Korean." [4] Merriam-Webster describes the term as "sometimes offensive,"[5] Encarta states when the term is used as a noun it is considered "a highly offensive term for somebody from East Asia." [6]

imho, east or "orient" all depends on where you are. if you're in hong kong, hawaiians are the orientals or easterners, if in frisco then chicogoans are

chloe, apparently so - check the link to my 4:58 post.

I think this is my new theme song

Bobby Mcferrin - Don't Worry, Be Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

Love the irony in this song

Jack

For Heaven's sake, this is republican PC run rampant.

We can't even get oriented without being criticized for it.

Orientation is out, because it might hurt someone's feelings. From now on, we'll have to jump into new activities and circumstances without checking them out first. Like getting an ARM, or voting for Palin, just to obey some weirdo's dictat.

Chloe, yes it does! Being a fall in line Dem was the ONLY thing in my life I did without question, just voted Dem,.all the way down the ticket. I have always marched to the beat of my own drummer, so this change is really more in line with my character. Still in shock though.

I'm getting the juicer this weekend"

Viv, You love it!

I use a blender for mine and make a slushy type drink out of different fruit, protein and yogurt combination's. Started them about a year ago, and have never felt better. And they're so good. Did you know that fruit is plant ovaries? Weird to think about it that way, but makes you realize why all the nutrients are there.

You = you'll

"voted Dem,.all the way down the ticket."

Sea, I never questioned the Dems and never considered voting any other way. But this year, seeing what happened and watching so closely, I was very disillusioned. Now I'll never blindly follow anything again.

What you said about this change being in line with your character, same here now that I think about it. I'm a square peg that everyones always trying to put in a circle.

Ok pogo.
I guess we're using the right term in the wrong country. :)
or vice versa

a square chloe? no way. you'll always be a cool hipster in my book.

Solar Crete.

I wish we could of got some park equipment like that. As it was things fell apart with typical fussing and fighting. But it is all settled down and they are up and going again.
Which reminds me they usually have a block party to celebrate Mexican Independence day, which is today (I think) So maybe they will have a party this weekend. I need to check with them.

The $50,000 park project looked like a project we did in one of the city parks with a group called Kaboom and NFL charities. It was a nice playground.

Jack

Ha! Thanks pat.
See you all tomorrow hopefully

from the hipster handbook:
"The Hipster walks among the masses in daily life but is not a part of them and shuns or reduces to kitsch anything held dear by the mainstream."

Bobby Mc Ferrin "I Feel Good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ONlBvmdTm4

Report: Voting problems in several swing states

"Those 10 states, according to Common Cause, are Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/voting.problems/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

"The Hipster walks among the masses in daily life but is not a part of them and shuns or reduces to kitsch anything held dear by the mainstream."

My God. That's me! Thanks pat! I've got a place to belong. And I thought I was just contrary. Hipster. Like it.
Tomorrow.

"Report: Voting problems in several swing states"

In more ways than just our economy, A-merry-ca is quickly becoming more third-world-like than ever.

Champ

Oriental Of or relating to the countries of the Orient or their peoples or cultures; eastern.

Oriental is correct when used to mean people, but the preferred usage now is Asian as this is considered less prejudicial.

The reds won't be happy until we are just like Bangla Desh.

For the polling data on all the big 10 states

http://www.bigtenpoll.org/

ttfn. After all this oriental talk I think I'll go get some Chinese food for dinner.

Cincinatti wants us to be like Bangladesh? who knew?

Or some Thia noodles

Jack

"The President also designates one of the Commissioners as Chairman, the SEC's top executive"

http://www.sec.gov/about/commissioner.shtml

Looks like the chairman can be removed by the president. He may not be able to remove him from the commission.

Jack

pogo,

Next these republican pcizers will drub you for using 'Cincinnati', a word that hurts the feelings of the Aequi.

Didn't babybushchertoff can a guy named brown for screwing up the New Orleans relief operations that babybushchertoff had been screwing up for 4 1/2 years?

An interesting look at the members of SEC 3 of 5 are new to the job. It also looks like having democrats in control of the senate is making a difference. The 2 apointe befor the Dems took control of congress are political hacks. The three newbies are well qualified.
So we need to hope that the president can fire the sec chair, he is one of the hacks.

http://www.sec.gov/about/commissioner.shtml

Jack

He should resign right now imo

Jack

"I'm sure Obama will put the right man in the job."

such faith, even money he puts a political hack in. He is from Chicago.

Jack

The firing of Pitt took the safety off the trigger of this catastrophe.

Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, and AIG = $ 9 TRILLION

mccaineilbush doubled the national debt overnight. 26,000 upper middle class jobs went pfffft at Lehman. A $30,000 debt load is suddenly dumped on the back of John Doe, $120,000 debt on the Doe family of 4. Jane Doe tells little Jeremy and Jillianne that they didn't want to have to go to college anyway.

But, thank goodness that great business genius, john mccain III, has promised to cut government regulation ! Otherwise all this might worry me.
~( :>b)<

THROW THE BUMS OUT ! ! !

Maybe Obama will appoint Jim Johnson

It's dinner time. Perhaps it will be the last time that the republican economy will allow me to eat a walleye.

Please don't let things get worse while I'm gone.

This is an actual cite from Stephen Bainbridge's blog.

http://www.stephenbainbridge.com/index.php/punditry/mccains_moronic_critique_of_cox/

Harvey L. Pitt & Karen L. Shapiro, Securities Regulation by Enforcement: A Look Ahead at the Next Decade, 7 Yale J. on Reg. 149, 280 n.557 (1990). Indeed, the Tenth Circuit so held in the Blinder, Robinson case cited above. See 855 F.2d at 681, stating that “as the President has the power to choose the chairman of the SEC from its commissioners to serve an indefinite term, it follows that the chairman serves at the pleasure of the President.”

Can we expect to see an Obama butt print on your face for the next eight weeks?

I'll only point it out to you once or twice a day. I do have things to do. I can point out all your errors, no time

Jack

Sock Drawer Open
Sockeditor
Sock Puppet Convention
Sock Puppet

And any and all clones, lookalikes, and assininities

Would you please stop. It is very aggravating and has long past the humor date to sell by to point of really stinking up the place.

Jamie when you recognize them they will continue....just watch....

hand = have

Jamie

Let it go, sockpuppets are part of the scenery, a bit of kudzu so to speak

at least those that include it in their name are honest about it.

I was amused that Sheila was addressing SDO as me the other day.

Jack

This Land is Your Land - Woody Guthrie

Palin paraded her 17 year old, pregnant, unmarried daughter, Bristol, around the stage at the RNC. (In fact, Sarah Palin’s first child, Track, was born when she had been married about seven months). Sarah Palin’s admitted marijuana smoking, the abuse of office accusations. All of the above happened while Sarah Palin professed to be a Christian.

John McCain, fifth from the bottom of his Naval Academy class of 899 members, and widely known as an adulterer, married Cindy one month after he divorced his first family. Cindy’s admitted drug addiction and drug theft charges.

These two families in the White House would provide fodder for the tabloids for years to come.

Such a terrible example for our young people.

Jack

The point is that they do nothing to contribute. The soul purpose is to aggravate, insult, dirty up and demean what is truly a nice place even for those with whom we disagree. At least using a consistent name or alias is honest. I don't care for cowards and wimps who have to hide behind a snark just to get a dig in for no good reason.

from California to the New York Island ?

Jack

Uh-oh.

"Gov. Sarah Palin is now talking about "a Palin and McCain administration."

I've also heard her refer to McCain as "my running mate" -- a term I don't recall ever hearing a VP nominee use when discussing the guy at the top of the ticket.

Maybe the fact that the crowds are leaving after she speaks, while McCain is speaking, is getting to her."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-what-administ.html

I understand, Jamie, but still.
It is when they flock in here as a gang that it seems to get the most disruptive. imo

Jack

Jewel ,
maybe da' amurican people "relate" to them...oh that is except for the small fact that McCain has nine homes--and his wife i about to become a billionaire.

Bad example for those who are looking for a good example.

Rez

She is still a phenom.

Jack

Palin disinvited from Iran rally.

No word if Hillary will change her mind

"Miami" Randy Newman

"Sailing to Philadelphia"..........Mark Knopfler

Rez

The way the left is going batsh*t crazy when her name is mentioned, It looks like she could become the HRC of the right. All it will take to get a fund raiser going is to mention her name.

Jack

Bethy; 2:42 am ........ " don't give up", how very sweet you are.........and Chloe; 12:59 pm ..........Yes of course you may ask, about the third week in Oct., I'm going to England for a couple of months, But, no fear girls, I'll still have your back, it's only a holiday. We have many relatives there........................................................

Champ; 3:20 pm..................... "they'd rather let us stew", You know Ms Nancy is waiting for the obot to win the WH so this congress can rubber stamp everything just
like the last one - I think I said somewhere that they were becoming more of a carbon copy every day........

Toast; 3:58 pm ..................... "Robert Frost", I haven't noticed a whole lot of literacy on the "low road"........

Jamie; 4:07 pm ..................You're breakin' my heart - seriously - the Democratic path USED to be able to be counted on to take you there.........................................

Rita

God , or whoever can help up, if Palin gets anywhere near that White House.

I miss Michelle Obama, she was inteeligent and interesting to hear speak. I am sorry that her gaffes were cause for them take her out of the public eye.

typos abound, not going to correct

Rita

The Dem road may be undependable but you know darn well that the Rep road goes nowhere you want to be.

I would rather fix what is damaged rather than trying to reinvent something that has been totally wrong from the beginning. The only cure for the last eight years is to throw the bums out until they learn a little wisdom.

I agree Jack. . And in the unlikely event the GOP wins the WH, she'll even be a bigger more tougher experienced cashed-out foe for Hillary in 2012. Unstoppable unless they implode during his term.

Craig
Uppity Wisconsin is a progressive web site but it does a good job of aggrating news.

http://www.uppitywis.org/

aggregating the news grrrrr

KGC

I love my Google toolbar with its spell check when I remember to use it. Unfortunately, it doesn't know which is correct when I use soul for sole... grrrrrrrrrr.

Plus, this is Obama's one and only shot at the WH (imo) and he'll sit on the sidelines as will most of a disheartened black electorate. I may even switch to Indie then. lol

Jamie

Yes. Spell check is not always your friend.

I'd like to see Palin and all the family living in the white house, just to see all the washington high society cringe

I can see it now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKAEQNhjHs

Jack

Albuquerque" by Neil Young
"Albuquerque" by "Weird Al" Yankovic
"Albuquerque Lullaby" by Dan Bern
"Celebration, Florida" by Chumbawamba
"Cleveland" by Jewel
Colorado (US State)
"Colorado" by Diesel
"The Colorado Kid" by David Olney
"Colorado Kool-Aid" by Johnny Paycheck
"Colorado Town" by Erica Wheeler
"Come and Grow Old with Me in Colorado" by Tom Paxton
"Going Back to Colorado" by Zephyr
"I Guess He'd Rather Be in Colorado" by John Denver
"Surf Colorado" by Bowling for Soup
Columbus, Ohio
" Goodbye Columbus" by The Association
"Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead" by Warren Zevon
Michigan" by John Linnell
"Michigan" by the Red House Painters
"Michigan Militia" by Moxy Früvous
"Say YES! To M!CH!GAN!" by Sufjan Stevens
"Panther in Michigan" by Michael Peter Smith
"Especially in Michigan" by Red Hot Chili Peppers.
"The Girl From Nebraska" by David Massengill
"Nebraska" by The Nields
"Nebraska" by Bruce Springsteen
"Nevada" by John Linnell
"Sands of Nevada" by Mark Knopfler
"Stop in Nevada" by Billy Joel
"Pennsylvania" by The Bloodhound Gang
"Pennsylvania" by John Linnell
"Pennsylvania 6-5000" by Glenn Miller
"Pennsylvania Miners" by Steve Earle
"Pennsylvania Polka" by the Andrews Sisters
"You've Got a Friend in Pennsylvania" by New Found Glory
"Saginaw, Michigan" by Lefty Frizzell

The first dunce does look a little like Jethro. LOL

I liked KGC linked site. . Montana- Zappa.

Sturg

Nice list.

It's over 200 years old, but I'll take good news anywhere I can find it.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1842248,00.html

Damn Sturge, somebody needs to clip that list and save it. I am truly impressed.

Jack

If McCain wins, I believe my life will change substantially....by choice, mind you.

8 years is too long for this slow death, 4 more years will not be acceptable.

You too can be a list maven:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-songs-whose-title-includes-geographical-names

Good deal for that French Museum.

Thanks sturge, now in the favorites folder. Looks like a must have for a You tube junkie.

Jack

From the list

Red hot chilli peppers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxvJDi1HB4

got into the habit from playing at a tourister joint.......

I agree UB and barring the unexpected it would be 8 years with the second half being the "Disasta".

That clip on Hardball of Biden was from the rally in Canton at the Football Hall of Fame.....he was "on"

gotta luv him.

Ohio's problem for Obama is race.....and that stinks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auCzaUuqODfc&refer=home

"Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke will seek support from Congress for an agency to buy bad debt to address the deepening credit crisis, a Democratic lawmaker said."

47 seven days to start planning for what to do in the case of a McCain/Palin win.

Being prepared is a good thing, no matter what the circumstances. I just never thought I would be thinking this way in my lifetime.

Patsi could tell you about the Broadway joints in Nashville......first shift.....noon to 6 pm......second shift....7 to midnight or later......maybe 10 bucks a shift, maybe not, but either way a tip driven venue........paid better to know some tourister stuff

A scary thought

"George W. Bush said he will take any actions necessary to stabilize markets "

rob, if you're out there. please suggest to your buddy, the big i, to suggest to his pal johnny that while he's firing people responsible for this mess we're in, he should add to his hero medals and ask w to resign. we'll not only erect a statue for him, we'll rename the dc airport.

The government is scared stiff......too bad it took a major meltdown for recognition if the failing economy.

if = of

On CNN , it looks like they are working on a fix and it could be big,

Jack

Congress and the administration are working on a fix for the problems. is what I meant

Jack

Congress and the administration are working on a fix for the problems. is what I meant

Jack

We're screwed.

Apparently "they" are talking about something like the Resolution Trust from the savings and loan unpleasantness.

Once again the big guys will get bailed out. The banks will have no incentives to rewrite the loans or work with clients in default.

"They" should have listened to me and just bought up all the bad paper when it started two years ago, it would have been cheaper and less damaging to the over all markets. Not to mention keeping people in their homes.

Not even the rich are freaking " better off."

When the rich get hurt (simply put - lose wealth) by economic policy, the wheels have fallen off this country.

oh no
the whole CNN panel just agreed with Phil Gramm that a lot of the financial crisis is in our heads...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-politics-of-message-conver.html#comment-147535

Dated a piano player. If union negotiators from West Virginia come to California to meet with management, you better know "Take Me Home Country Roads" because the night's take will depend on the multiple times you have to play it. lol

INSOLVENT

Jamie........Bingo..........lol

Resolution Trust made money and even though it took a while did sell all the seized assets.

McCain doesn't know where Spain is...oh brother.

or was it just a "senior " moment?

And he's a nominee for POTUS

Why does McCain have to know anything, according to Sarah - he's second on the ticket

Palin / McCain

"Evil must be defeated!" -- John McCain 8/16/08

"Enough is enough! We're going to put an end to greed!" -- John McCain 9/17/08

It's inspiring to know that John McCain has a plan to end greed. I just hope it doesn't distract him from his mission to defeat evil. Either way, it has to kick the shit out of whatever Barack Obama's got on the docket, with his empty words and pie-in-the-sky promises.

A funny bit of satire by Chris Kelly

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/the-delicate-subject-of-j_b_127359.html

McCain has proposed a "Resolution Trust type instrument" with a specific consumer section.

Obama has a similar proposal.
But also includes a change in the bankruptcy law and a 50 billion stimulus plan for state and local governments.

And Jamie was/is always complaining about Obama's fast track to the WH. . . His would pale in comparison to hers if JM wins.:)

Rez,

They were saying Obama would need a food taster if he made Clinton VP.

If McCain gets in with Palin as VP, someone will have to confiscate all her guns.

BTW,

That Spain as part of Mexico interview is downright scary. McCain truly seemed lost and confused.

They just passed that anti-CCW and/or gun ban in DC too. Good thing for him.(If)
I'm sure she could arrange to have one of kids to leave a few toys(skates) laying around on a visit. LOL Maybe on a staircase.

Creepy is as creepy does -

And I know people who do not make the effort to educate themselves before they vote......Educated people, successful people.....What the heck is wrong with this picture???

The only conclusion that makes sense to me is Race....I have said this before, and for open minded people, it's difficult to really believe people still think that way......but that is all I can figure.

In total agreement UB, the elephant in the room that no one wants to bring up for fear of race baiting charges or of trying to racialize the campaign. It's all happening in the background with some 527s and push polling. It will come up more and more as the race tightens and the rethugs start to panic.

That was always the answer to the question of why Obama is not doing so well or why he's not ahead of McCain by a mile in such a down year for the GOP.jmo

PS: earlier Pogo attributed racism as a major factor hurting Obama in such a blue state as WV.

Is it like that maybe there are people who figure that racism is not a factor in the south? (and the north....and the east.....and the west?)

lol

Jamie; 7:15 pm ..."fix what's wrong", Sadly I think I've come to the point where I'm afraid to believe it can be turned around. Especially THIS, "also ran", bunch of backroom DNCer's and pathetic pelosi's do-nothing congress..................................................................

Rita

Rez.....I think he can win mainly because he's running against McCain and Palin instead of say, Romney or one of those other republicans who were in there.....Hagel? tough race for obama to win.....etc
It's like the gop doesnt mind at all losing this one and are even having to go to great lengths to lose it.......why?
To crucify the democrat winner over the next 4 years.
Winning the election is going to only be the beginning of obama's trials and tribs........

Rita

Pelosi and the do nothings are still better than the guys who make it possible for the crooks to stroll into the sunset with billions while their failures get dumped on the tax paying public.

But go ahead and vote for more of the Bush crowd and the ignorance of McCain/Palin if it makes you happy.

Begala is funny.

"McCain should start a rumor than Obama has fathered a black child"

Sturg,

"To crucify the democrat winner over the next 4 years."

Maybe so! The suckers don't give much away for any reason, even if it's looking for a patsy.

"Is it like that maybe there are people who figure that racism is not a factor in the south?". . . west?

How many times over the past several months has someone here wondered out loud; "why isn't Obama running away with this race given Bush and the backlash to all things GOP?".

If anyone would have mention race like Pogo did earlier about southern WV voters, then several would have said that person was crying racism . . . etc.

We all know that race plays a major factor in our attitudes about many thing in all parts of the country. We just don't want to be the ones to bring it up. I was pleasantly surprised Pogo was so candid about it. Good for him.

Rez......ever spend any time in Dixie?

Rez

I hate it, but the kind of racism that doesn't want someone for a neighbor or as a boss is at least vaguely understandable given the culture in which many people are unfortunately raised, but to vote against your own interests to the point of making your own life much more difficult just because you don't want a complete stranger of another race to hold a certain position is so incredibly stupid as to be beyond belief.

Sturg,
I traveled all over the South (SEC states) with the exception of the Carolinas, but never set up house anywhere down there.

I was born (52) and raised in Oklahoma and I'll put my crackers up against anyones, any day of the week. I spend a lot of time in "sundowner" towns. Hell, the signs were still up in the 60s.

but what's you point/question?

Lyndon said something like he'd be losing the south for democrats for 50 years with the civil rights act and he warn't just a'bumpin' his gums.......If a George Wallace were running again he'd do right well in the south, no question.....the surface may be somewhat PC but underneath the old battle flag still waves.....

rez.....only that if you had spent any time in the south you'd have no question about racism being a large factor in this election.......in the south, but also all over the country........idaho, maybe? School bussing riots in Massachusetts, etc.....

I agree with you, but as I may have said here before, the racist in people I know, is coming out, and I am tremendously disappointed and sad about it.....not just because of the election....

not hard to find sadness and disappointment over democratic showings in elections.....since maybe all elections since 68 except for 3.......I hope for better this year, but we'll soon see, one way or the other.........

I like you, Sock. Keep up the good work.

S. I won't disagree a bit with you which is why I'm not at all surprised at the poor traction he gets in many places nor at the people Jamie refers to above.
It is hard to believe we have people over and over vote against their own self interest. I think Vidal had a piece about it that you posted.

most of the financial people know we are screwed.....

Sturg,

I'll be waiting for you to shout out "it's the racism stupid", the next time someone comes in here and says," why in the hell isn't Obama kicking McCain's ass in such in such state. And if I'm aboard I'll be chiming in right behind you. :-)

Everybody's a racist except you guys, huh? I'll bet you all have a lot of black friends.

Jamie you hit the nail on the head a few days back.

being republican instead of democrat is enough to win in the south without ever even getting anywhere near racism.....in the other states, it's a kind of a yet to be seen situation as to how strong racism will play......

champ.....not everybody, just plenty......and I'm not implying that everyone who is against obama and for mccain is racist by any stretch.....just saying that racism IS a factor, and to deny it is to close the peepers......
For instance I resented being told by some that I was for hillary because I was racist.....I still knew that there are racists about......

Hey Rez, I could address every post with which I take issue, but I'd be here all night, and no one wants that. So settle for occasional, terse snark and be grateful.

"being republican instead of democrat is enough to win in the south without ever even getting anywhere near racism.....in the other states, it's a kind of a yet to be seen situation as to how strong racism will play......"

10-4

Thank you, Sturge. It would be nice if some waited for the actual 'election' before branding everyone with whom they do not agree a 'racist'. Point well taken, though.

Hey Champ if I'm here I read all the comments. So do what you got to do. . it's fine by me.

Rez - have a nice evening.

I got a chip on my shoulder regarding a lot of issues. This particular one wasn't brought up by me, though. Just read through the posts and it seemed to be the topique du jour.

the way I am staring to view this economy is sell first before no one is buying....kind of scary not to have the flexibility that we have all enjoyed most our lives.....the market is changing and changing fast.

UB: "Fractional-Reserve Banking". Learn about it.

a stark documented example of racism at play in SC is Rove/Bush's tactics for winning the 2000 primary........

Kerry was white enough, and a war guy to boot, and it didnt do him any too well in SC for the general election.

Ivy league, maybe they thought he was ~~~green~~~

Why is ageism any less shocking than racism?
Why is misogyny any less shocking than racism?
Everyone in this race is up against some kind of prejudice.
Maybe it all evens out in the end.

ie.......rove/bush were desperate after new hampshire 2000 so they were forced to go to the lowest level to beat him........they didnt have to swing low to beat kerry.......or they would have.........

By the way, how many investment bankers post here, anyone know?

well.....the swift boating was pretty low, of course, but nothing like the picture of the black child which rove/bush used to defeat mccain.......

"they were forced to go to the lowest level to beat him..."

Are you saying Sturge that not all politicians will do whatever it takes to win?

Or are we just mad because the Republicans are better at it than the Democrats sometimes? Dirty politics, that is.

That just show's me how prejudice you are against age. Nothing more.

I cant equate being against someone for being "too old" with being against someone because they're black or a woman........I can see a comparison between being against someone because theyre female and being against someone because they're black.....
but being too old is a legitimate concern.........being woman or black doesnt entail "judgement" whereas being too old brings a pointed question of judgement........

Who's taking offense? You're talking about; I'm talking about it. That's a discussion.

Obama and his campaign sure weren't reluctant to make accusations of racism against the Clintons. They used it to their benefit every chance they got. That was just as dirty politics as anything we've seen since. No ones hands are clean here.

I feel age implies wisdom, or it should. Should I just put a bullet in my head when I'm 72 because my last day 'may' be near? Maybe someone could shove me off an ice floe? A lifetime of experience is good for nothing?

Sturgeon,
You know damn well it's all prejudice.
Now you want to equate them as though you can decide which prejudice is acceptable and reasonable and which ones aren't. That's called rationalization.

Prejudice is prejudice. Ask anyone who's been on the receiving end of it. It's wrong!

I'll ad that I'd want to exploit that experience and benefit from it as much as I could while I still had the opportunity to do so. All that aside, McCain is an awful candidate, but not because he's 'old'.

some are young at 90 while some are old at 60.....it's a matter of the individual in question......was reagan too old? Considering that he developed alzheimer's before his term was up would perhaps indicate yes......

yes.....the obama's whacked Hillary and Bill and everyone knows it.........politics is hell.........

Yes yes, talking points; I understand. Is there an political agenda behind every statement you make. You're consistent; I'll give you that.

Ron Paul a very spry 73, tyvm.

"McCain is an awful candidate, but not because he's 'old'"

So why not invalidate him for the right reasons, instead of calling him Gramps, etc. There are plenty of bad things to say about him without ever having to talk about him being too old for the job.

And Obama doesn't need you to make excuses for him. If he loses, he loses. It's silly to blame it on his race. Or to blame it on Hillary. Let him stand up and take responsibility.

He can't take credit for winning if you won't let him take credit for losing, if he does. Just let it play out and stop with the excuses. Racism is a separate issue.

but I might add.......Hillary and Bill can and most definitely WILL take care of themselves.....simply because they are well aware that politics is hell, and probably wouldnt have it any other way.......I support them, and they are supporting the obam, so I'll support along with them......just because they lost at this juncture doesnt mean they cant let go the big prize and look for theirs in other ways......theyre "pragmatic", I believe......

Because they are so afraid of losing due to pride but also out of genuine concern (best case scenario), that they feel they need to say absolutely anything to ensure victory. They've invested so much of themselves so far, to do any less would seem insufficient to their exhausted warped logic. Conservatives do it too, and it is JUST as annoying. That's "post-rational" for you.

Champ.....youre exactly right......I dont think anyone would be against Ron Paul because of his age......he gives no indication of being "aged".

"I'll support along with them."

You're doing the right thing Sturge.

Chloe, re: an earlier topic...Tao Chap 38

I think McCain is an awful candidate for one reason BECAUSE he's too old. but that's not the only reason.....my main reason, for instance, is his performance and actions after what they did to him in SC 2000.......the infamous bush hug.....(and I never call them by jerkoff names, by the way.....)

Champ, I like the way you think.
You're figuring it all out just right.

lol.......I dont have to figure anything out......SC will go for mccain and my vote is worthless, and I only need give my feeble support in the direction that my chosen candidate indicates to me......ie I trust bill and hillary

out beyond right doing and wrong doing there is a field.....I'll meet ya there..........

--some sufi poet

You're vote may be worthless, but what you think is important.

Lordy, Sea - I never thought you were a republican! I could tell you were a liberal right off, honey! Nice to hear you felt so confident re becoming an independent. You'll always be a liberal, tho, I bet. Me, too. I'd prefer the party bosses listen to us, rather than tell us and sell us their lines. A highly-thought
of dem who was pushed by the local party in up-state NY got knocked of his pins by an un-endorsed dem in a primary not too long ago.

Today's liberal ideas will some day be considered
conservative. The march has been slow but inexorable.

KGC - I remember back in the S&L mess reading an article in the PD re how badly the resolution trust really worked out,and that one of the banks here got away with something. It was one of the banks right on101, in the area of John Ash - had one or two little ponds in front. It was a rich-looking modern building. Can't remember it now, but saved the paper, came across it later, and threw it out as irrelevant. Hey - isn't this weather great?

Evolved Power is irresistible because it is based on substance and reality and is free of motive. Power that has degenerated into force involves complex strategies and social manipulations because it is based on appearance and illusion. Lao believed that morality was invention of leaders who could not find truth in themselves and thus were unable to trust others to conduct themselves appropriately. But even more dangerous........is propriety---conduct that requires study, memory, and occasional hypocrisy to follow. He believed that propriety would contaminate with motive the inherently good and truthful instincts of humans.
---R L Wing

"Evolved Power is irresistible because it is based on substance and reality and is free of motive."

Beautiful. I don't know where you find this stuff, but I love it.
nite

chap 38

re Karl Rove - he can come up with some very cogent
remarks. He likes politics and republicans, but I think he has decided he'd rather make his money being an analyst rather than a pol. He's a little creep, sure, but he can see both sides of the campaign. In this instance, I really really agree with him. Getting tough with McCain doesn't mean insult him - it means out-performing him so fast the old man and his junior varsity team can't keep up.

Pat Buchanon has done some of the best analysis in this whole debacle - it's when he talls as a repub that he's irritating.

NEW THREAD at midnight

Hey Bethyboo, I didn't know what you knew about me, just looked back over the thread and thought I should clear it up, as someone had again inaccurately referred to me as a Repub. Good for you upstaters! Where do you live? I hail from Altamont.

Sea - we're up in sonoma county, santa rosa area.
All I know about Altamont is the wind fans! We're gettin' cold here are night and it's so hard to get out of bed - sweet sleep!