Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

good morning trailmixers

As long as people keep talking about her, she is still in spotlight. Charlie Gibson did not help her with his interview. He did his best to put her in an unfavorable light. As for the troopergate - if he tasered a young child and threatened to kill his father-in-law ( by the way he admitted to this), he should have not only been fired, he should have been run out of the country as well.

julie

Not so good news for BHO. This how real HRC supporter will vote.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/

I hoped that would be the case - just enough time to rise and shine and fade. a sigh of relief.

alicia......one last on prior thread..........in re. collaboration..........

Now to hope they don't figure out how they mis-played this and resurrect her.

Looks like Washington Redskins tight end Chris Cooley, believes in the saying, 'if you got them, show them."

http://www.local6.com/spotlight/17488179/detail.html

Drill, Drill, Drill!!!
Seems like the House has done a 180 on off-shore drilling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091601216_pf.html

can't believe this in wapo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091602876.html?nav=hcmodule

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146545

Sturge -- Since we just chattin' --- she didn't "collaborate" with them -- she simply did bidness with 'em -- and that got her a scarlett letter with the Old Guard. When I think of Scarlett -- I think reptilian survivor.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146554

Pat, Thanks for linking that article. It's so nice to read something that hits it right once in a while. I get so tired of being manipulated by the media.

"....Obama's campaign is rootless, reactive and panicky. At every stage since securing the nomination, it has seemed fearful of missteps and unsure of its own organizing principle. So it has invariably adopted the Democratic conventional wisdom of the moment."

"..... Obama could attempt to "beat back the politics of fear, and doubt, and cynicism." He could try to build a coalition that "stretches through red states and blue states." He could reject "the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up."

"The candidate who said those words the night he won the Iowa caucuses did pretty well. But whatever the outcome of this presidential election, that candidate is no longer in the race.?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091602876.html?nav=hcmodule

With her cut-throat favoritism and relentless striving for status and power, Palin is definitely not "America's Mom." More like she's got everyone in America thinking, "I'm glad she's not my mom."

This Too Will Pass

Fortunately, America continues to be driven by inventors, innovators and entrepreneurs who will go on creating the products and services that keep the economy growing and people at work."
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370630265658

What relevence does a tanning bed have to do with anything. These types of cheap shots are why people are rallying behind Palin, even though she is obviously unqualified. You should stick to the facts, Crawford.

You couldn't tell she was fading by the group getting Remicade yesterday. They, to a person, were proud of her and her achievements.

Jan 2007 oil trade as low as $57.78 and it a high of $148.13 in July 2008.

Over this same time line New York Harbor RBOB Gasoline, regular gas for autos, traded from a low of $1.84 to a high of $3.54.

Oil went up by X 2.6 times.
Gas went up

In 2007 oil trade as low as $57.78 and it a high of $148.13 in July 2008.

Over this same time line New York Harbor RBOB Gasoline, regular gas for autos, traded from a low of $1.84 to a high of $3.54.

Oil went up by X 2.6 times.
Gas only went up X 1.9 times

Point being, gas is cheap.

mornin' all.

McCain aide forgets what GOP did to Gore when he claimed to having been involved in helping create the internet by being on the committee that oversaw the development of its military forerunner.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002952099

Stupid or shameless? You make the call.

S. - the tanning bed makes her look superficial - that's the image the Obama campaign would like to have stick with her. Issues my ass - cheap shots are McCain's stock in trade. When the McCain campaign makes fun of Obama for attending a fundraiser in Beverly Hills arranged and emceed by Barbra Steisand, who has been one of the biggest Dem fundraisers in the SoCal entertainment industry, it and McCain supporters have no credibility complaining about snarky criticism based in fact.

Troopergate.

1.Walt Monegan -- public safety commissioner-- got fired for insubordination on budget matters. Sarah as governor could fire Monegan for wearing 2 different color socks if she so decided. The public safety commissioner serves at her pleasure.

2. The trooper in question, Mike Wooten, was never fired. There was an internal affairs investigation and the allegations: Wooten tazered his 10 year old step-child, drinking while on duty, and uttering death threat to his father-in-law were investigated and proven correct. Wooten punishment for these misconducts, he received a 5 day suspension. This all occurred before Sarah Palin became governor.

3. Sarah Palin is not cooperating because she has not been subpoenaed. Her staff and her husband are cooperating because they have been subpoena. However Alaska's attorney general says state employees subpoenaed in the investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin will not testify.

This nothing more than another D witch hunt, trying to smear and malign the very popular Sarah Palin.

For a party proclaiming 'race" shouldn't be a factor, the D's keep moving this topic to the front burner.

"Have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African-American?"

http://iowaindependent.com/5627/sebelius-obamas-race-may-be-a-factor

In the past year the price of crude oil has gone from $78 to $91 - a 17% rise -, the average price of regular gasoline at the pump on the east coast has gone from $2.73 to $3.81 - a 39.5% rise. Tell the 592,000 newly unemployed workers from August, and the 9.4 million total unemployed how cheap gas is. What do they say, figures don't lie, but liars figure? Fry, anyone can make a case about just about anything by picking the figures they want to support their position with.

New Reuters

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-usa-poll-politics.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Obama leads by 2 - bottom line - the race is tied.

pogo,

I am using the daily charts taken directly from the NY Mercantile Exchange. The NY Merc as you know is where are energy product are traded. All you have to do is look it up for yourself.

FryDaddy,

I don't understand your point...Obama is half black and down here in my part of Texas, people refer to McCain and Palin as 100% American...I assume these people are referring to them being white?

"For the record, I view the comments section of this blog as an organism that shifts shapes according to primal laws of nature. I don’t get involved in any offsite efforts to shape discussion, or direct who comes or who goes. Whatever I’ve got to say, I say it right here. I do prefer reasonably civil dialogue, and think I’ve made that quite clear many times. Beyond that, my only job is to create the daily columns and videos that I am paid to do. I am not paid to monitor or direct the comments section. But I do stay involved because I enjoy the vigorous debates and sense of community we’ve created. When the comments section descends into mindless chaos or childish tantrums, I am sorry about it, but I keep doing my job, hopeful that, as always seems to happen, soon we will shift shapes again and the comments will be worth reading." [Craig Crawford last night]

this shape shifter humbly thanks you, wise master of the force.

"Republican efforts include dispatching a former top U.S. terrorism prosecutor from New York, Ed O’Callaghan, to assist Palin’s personal lawyer working to derail or delay a pending ethics investigation in Alaska."

"The McCain campaign is demanding that it becomes the de facto source for answers about the operations of Alaska’s government during the past 20 months."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS15/80917025/1009/NEWS07

So now the gold standard for cooperation with ethics probes in GOP land is whether you've been subpoenaed?

"Five Republican state legislators filed suit Tuesday to end the bipartisan investigation into Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of the public safety commissioner even though the vice-presidential candidate once said she welcomed the probe into allegations of abuse of power.

"The lawsuit called the investigation "unlawful, biased, partial and partisan.'' None of the legislators who filed the suit in Anchorage Superior Court serves on the bipartisan Legislative Council that unanimously approved the investigation."

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1203559&auth=THE%20ASSOCIATED%20PRESS

You have to ask what, if what Fry posted above is true and would be the result of the investigation (republicans never seem to like to allow the process to yield the results - they will just tell you what the outcome will be), Palin and her Repug buddies are afraid of. LOL - the ethics party, gonna root out corruption. RFLMFAO

"Charlie Gibson's interview questions for Obama vs. for Palin":

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/charlie_gibsons_interview_ques.html

Bear,

The D party didn't want race to be part of their campaign, but it is the D party who keep talking about BHO's race. You did read the link didn't you??? That quote came from, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who is the D governor of Kansas.

Fry, I am using the NYMEX crude oil futures charts and the eia.doe.gov charts for gasoline prices and the latest (August) bls figures for unemployment. You can look them up yourself. All the figures you and I presented are accurate - we just picked idfferent indices and different points from which to measure prices - I looked at crude and gas prices over the past one year period. The point is your conclusion is bullsh*t IMO.

"...in my part of Texas, people refer to McCain and Palin as 100% American...I assume these people are referring to them being white?"
bear, you're probably right; but giving them the benefit of doubt, it might be that it's just too hard in texas twang to say "scots/irish/english/german- or eurowhatever-american" in one breath.

Racism is a huge factor in this election.....everyone can ignore if they want to it doesn't make it go away.

My hope is that the newly registered , and the new voters 18+ group get to the polls, and get their absentee ballots. Also there approximately 7 million american living abroad, they need their absentees as well.

Pogo,

Yeah so are the ones I sighted. You sighted figures for one year and my figures cover 18 plus months. So if you are going to disagree at least use the same time line I submitted, because it is my figures you are questioning. I never said your information was wrong for the 1 year you sighted.

So far, there are nearly 1,000 comments on David Brooks' game-defining column on Palin.

One of my favorite comments: "The people I know that question Palin do so on the basis that she resembles the person at the PTA meeting who is too certain of their own opinion."

FryDaddy + Open Mouth = GOP Talking Points

An open note to the Obama campaign:

To whom it may concern (Plouffe),

I suggest you read the following NYT editorial about John McCain's fundamental lack of understanding about the economy and anything that does not have to do with benefitting from the profits of a huge Budweiser distributorship.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17wed1.html

I further urge you to stop talking about Alaska troopers who should have been fired for being brutal assh*les and tanning beds that Cindy's would-be successor used to keep her perky glow of health while trying to survive the long cold Alaska winter and start talking about the one issue that Bill Clinton rightly said that the party out of the WH should run on when the economy is doing what the economy is doing now. Or you can continue down the road to a loss in November.

Oh, yes. Get Barry to Ohio now and stay there until Nov. 4.

Very truly yours,

Pogo (An ex-Clinton supporter who doesn't want to see you f*ck this up like you're doing.)

Crashing? I must have missed what's happened. Are people finally stopping with the "stupid pills"?

UB,

"Also there approximately 7 million american living abroad, they need their absentees as well."

As well as our military.

UB,

"Also there approximately 7 million american living abroad, they need their absentees as well."

I might add, as well as our military.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146566

Maybe you mean "moose hunt?" Palin loves her violence too much to be a witch.

Fry, you cherrypick your data by defining the time period you think is the rosiest and I'll cherrypick mine - I said the data you posted was correct. Your time period is no less arbitrary than mine - why not choose the past 24 months or 5 years or ten for that matter? Or use 9/11 as a starting point - or January 2001? It makes no difference - gas is expensive, and is driving the price of everything that it touches up - which is why the Fed would not lower rates again - fear of inflation that is being driven largely by the price of fuel, an you know it.

I have a meeting - later.

I don't think racism has been as bad as sexism in this election. It is about equal with oldism and experienceism. I know I made up a few words. Maybe I will send them to Colbert.

Carol-still undecided and waiting for someone to convince me.

any of you econ savants out there have a feel for what the current mess means for state-run retirement funds (for teachers, gov workers), military and social security funds? is the spectre of taking on the financial care of the disabled and old folks in the family additional bad news for joe sixpack?

ubns, and that's why the working elite become so angry at the coastal liberal effetes.

Alice,

Well I guess I shouldn't expect much from a BHO female supporter.Your type reminds me of the women who can be found in every emergency room through out this country on a weekend night with a busted up face caused by her significant other, but just won't file charges. Is that what women mean when the keep talking about women's rights, 'it is our bodies and we can do with them as we please?' I wonder if there is a study showing the similarities between women who have abortions for non-life threatening issues, and women who are constantly being abused.

We will see if the soon to be ex GOVERNOR of the state of ALASKA (with more experience than obama running a state goverment and getting things done actually) will crash and burn, Obama is pathetic!.

Yo Ho Me Harties

Official Talk Like a Pirate Day in Two Days.

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/

remember this? both hrc & bho warned cost of war costs economy.
“We spend $12 billion a month in Iraq, and that does affect the economy,” Mrs. Clinton said. “That’s one of the reasons we’ve gone into more and more debt. We’ve got to begin not only to withdraw our troops, but bring that money back home. We need to put that money to work here in Indiana.”
“The more than $10 billion we’re spending each month in Iraq is money we could be investing here at home,” Mr. Obama said. “Just think about what battles we could be fighting instead of fighting this misguided war.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/us/politics/21campaign.html
anybody know what bugging out would do to the economy? are we stuck where we can't afford the war but at the same time we can't afford to pull out of the war because the pull out will hurt the economy?

I'm trying to remember--How did the "Breakfast Club" resolve their class differences? Aren't we just the "Breakfast Club" on a larger scale?

Apparently Wall street isn't as thrilled with the AIG bailout as I thought they would be. The Dow is down almost 150 in the first hour of trading. Maybe it will turn? Bear what say ye?

ubns, frozen turkeys.

The problems in the financial markets - specifically the banking and mortgage industries - aren't confined to the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/business/worldbusiness/18ruble.html

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-financial.html

Pogo, I think the enforcement against naked shorts is a very big deal.

I've heard no complaining about people being unable to get fast executions, or of being unable to get status of orders, or of being unable to unwind their index option or stock option positions. In, other words, things are operating smoothly. They sure as hell weren't in 1987. It was absolutely impossible to tell what my margin position was.

The volume is astounding.

pogo,

Typical lawyer tactic.

I only presented the facts on what oil and regular gas were trading before their sudden surge upwards. It was you who responded to my figures with totally unrelated figures. Had you found other figures to contradict my figures covering the same time span I "ORIGINALLY" submitted, then we could discussed the issue. But you are the one who cherry picked the numbers. You just have to suck it up.

Pogo I am sure you know there is nothing better while you are in trail than being able to use the opposing attorney's own words aganist them, to make them look foolish in-front of their clients, watching them get all red face and mad, watching them get confused. Nothing better than hearing the client call his attorney a dumb SOB. You know what I mean? LMAO

I see Palin is topic of the day, point for McCain

Meanwhile do either of the candidates have an idea on how to handle this credit crisis other than McCain's form a bipartisan commission?

Come on, they are ready to repo the place, and all I here is the equivilance of a loud fart and popping the top on another beer.

Jack

Jack, I suppose the Prez could have the congressional leadership climb into their Zils and convoy over to Andrews AFB where they would be held in seclusion until they decided something.

Now, wasn't something like that done before?

The Thread of Cliche to Society

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

Securitizing Fraud or Arrest the Fundamentalists

jack, something about outlawing naked shorts sounds better than loud farts. what i want to know is it time to jump out the window or put mamma on the next ice floe?

I see Palin is topic of the day, point for McCain

Jack you mean the D's, they just can't seem to let it go. When I say 'D's" I am also including his willing, bobble head MSM lackeys.

Hey
our congress critters have the answer. Lets do a lot of political posturing. I swear, it is time to line them all ujp against the wall

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNQo2I5pPjdA&refer=home

Data released yesterday showed that Sarah Palin narrowly leads Joe Biden in a hypothetical Presidential match-up. At the same time, Republicans have pulled to within six points of Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot. Other key stats of Election 2008 can still be seen at Obama-McCain: By the Numbers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

If Palin has faded what does that say about Biden?

Thanks, flatus. That's beyond my understanding. Sounds like it could be a whole lot worse than it is.

Patd

Lets just shuffle the deck chairs awhile and make sure we keep the riffraff locked below deck.

Jack

LOL@/Julie

Another classy FryDaddy analogy. Last time it was Hillary supporters as battered women.

lol Jack, quit farting and pass me a beer.

Biden Who?

I understand that the press section of the VP plane flys damn near empty.
There is a save the world from global warming quip in here somewhere.

Jack

For those who are rubbing themselves euphorically with glee wishing to see AIG fail, are nothing short than moronic fools, and don't have a glimmer of understanding the world wide catastrophic results of such a failure. If you thought your money was safe in a money market account, you better hope and/or pray that AIG survives. You don't believe me, then read the prospectus that accompanied your money market account, and see who insures the account.

Fry

The first thing I did yesterday was to check and see how exposed my father in law is with his insurance. He only has a small old peoples term policy with them.

I think.

Jack

Last time it was Hillary supporters as battered women.

Same thing Rezdog.

Women abused. It is not who or what that is doing the abusing, the fact is women continue to be abused in so many ways, usually by the stronger entity that suppose to care and protect them, yet many will just sit back and continue to accept it. But I am sure you would agree with me, women shouldn't be abused or accept abuse in any form???

Dog

As I thought, It is lets party like it is 1992 when we had small fires to put out. But the house is on fire, imo, and peeing on it won't work.

Jack

Fry, you're obviously not a trial attorney. The tactic with respect to the other side's argument is to show that the other side is trying to show you something that is hand picked to make things look better (or worse) than they are.

In this case, oil's rapid rise started in 2001 - but you didn't want to start there because looking at oil and gas from when they were $30 a barrel and less tahn $1.50 a gallon only 7 years ago doesn't support your copnclusion that oil is cheap. Anything that triples in value in less than 7 years isn't going to appear cheap to anyone who's bought it over that period, [particularly when inflation and real wages have remained practically flat over that period. All your argument does is reflect that crude oil price alone doesn't determine the price of gas, but it obviously affects it. And in what rational world would one determine that a commodity's value should be measured against the price of the raw material used to produce it? The costs of refining and delivery - to say nothing of the record profits in the oil industry that reflect their own cynical take on what the price of gas should be also affect the price.

It's a poor attorney that lets the other side define his or her argument - maybe a criminal defense attorney who gets the benefit of a the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard can get away with that approach, but no other trial attorney could. The jury decides which side is presenting the facts they think are valid, not the attorney who attempted to frame the argument.

See you in court, not.

Now, I'm out for a few hours.

Fry I didn't realize you knew so much about battered women. First hand experience on the subject?

Yeah he's watched you verbally abuse women for the last year

Jack,

The real troubling aspect of a AIG failure, this bridge loan of $85 billion, may not be enough.

Wow, I've been gone for a while - and look at how things have changed. I guess FryDaddy's the new Gordo!

jack, rez
gettin' down with riffraff and partyin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9_lrdMQ-oQ

Hillary Rodham Clinton
As Palin Joins Planned Protest Against Iran, Clinton Cancels

Updated 11:38 p.m.
By Colum Lynch
NEW YORK -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton dropped out of a planned rally outside the United Nations next week after learning that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin would also be in the crowd protesting the appearance of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The rally -- which includes prominent political and religious leaders, including Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel -- is being organized by a coalition of American Jewish organizations, under the umbrella group the National Coalition to Stop Iran Now
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/clinton_and_palin_will_rally_t.html

Clinton did not want to give SNL more material. Clinton did not find last Saturday's skit --approved by the Obama team-- amusing.

Politics of Utopia,

Does the truth hurt? Please be more specific. Oh BTW your nic fits you.

Hysterical question.

I heard numbers for AIG of close to a Trillion dollars being thrown around. It was on CNN or a clone so I didn't catch the whole thing. I believe it was total assets. If that number is anywhere close to correct, my question is.

Is AIG too big for us to bail out?

Jack

FD,
I was more than less disagreeing with your use of women Democrats as examples of battered women for any reason but especially because they don't happen to vote or act the way you want them too. In other words, poor choice in a metaphor.

I heard numbers for AIG of close to a Trillion dollars.

I think Jack that $1 trillion is in assets. But I have no idea what they mean by assets, if it includes the $451 billion in money market accounts they insure that may be a big problem.

Is AIG too big for us to bail out?

yeah, jack, we need every cent of that trillion for the war,don't we ~~~~~~

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/29/exclusive_the_three_trillion_dollar_war

Rezdog,

I use D women as an example since their standard barer, HRC, was so horribly mistreated in public, by Team BHO, DNC, and the bobble head MSM.

Rez,

And I might add, some not all appear to have forgiven them for this mistreatment. Not sure if HRC has forgotten so easily, and as I posted near the beginning of today's blog, nether has some other leading D's. You may want to read that article.

jack, fry:
"Officials worried that the collapse of AIG, with its $1 trillion balance sheet and operations in 130 countries, could send the financial system into a tailspin."
http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12244993

Patd

good comparison, if the bailout becomes the equivelence of a major war. Can we do it? Remember this is not the end.

Jack

Fry Daddy -- YOU are the one who is being abusive here. Make your points without the verbal violence.

Patd

Thanks for the link, this quote just jumped out at me

"the government has found itself having to take charge of both the country’s largest insurer and its two giant mortgage agencies"

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146648

Fry - It just sooo suits your GOP agenda to pump those division even further, now doesn't it?

OT ....... hmmm interesting .....

http://www.prwatch.org/node/7749

An Unhealthy Impact on Local Reporting
Topics: advertising | health | journalism
Source: Columbia Journalism Review, September 9, 2008
"A hospital complains about a reporter and pulls ads from the paper. The paper reassigns him. The paper -- offered three chances -- declines to deny that one caused the other," summarizes the Columbia Journalism Review. CJR was following up on a Wall Street Journal article about Carilion Health System, which is Roanoke, Virginia's sole healthcare provider. Since Carilion established a local monopoly, "health-insurance rates in Roanoke have gone from being the lowest in the state to the highest." In 2006, independent local doctors concerned about Carilion's impact on the community and their practices launched the "Coalition for Responsible Healthcare." Roanoke Times healthcare reporter Jeff Sturgeon reported on the controversy. But the paper "moved Mr. Sturgeon off the health-care beat after Carilion complained repeatedly about his coverage. Carilion says it communicated its displeasure to the paper's editors, but never asked that Mr. Sturgeon be reassigned. Carilion withdrew most of its advertising from the paper, but says it did that as part of a reallocation of its ad budget." Roanoke Times' managing editor told CJR, "We feel like we cover Carilion better than any other news media organization." But he wouldn't explain Sturgeon's reassignment to transportation, saying, "We don't get into personnel decisions and why we change beats."

FD,
Give me a break!. It's not that you believe anyone was mistreated and feel bad for them, but because that someone is not switching their vote from Clinton to McCain.
It's that phony outrage you Rethugs are known for putting on.

a few thoughts this morning...

Palin and McCain should have changed from the repug to the Bullmoose Party. It might have kept the ticket in the news a bit longer and the name is more fitting to the brand.

Too bad HRC didn't make a third party run.

Obama = Carter

From that article Frydaddy

“I feel like he is an elitist. "-Lynn Forester de Rothschild

How rich is that? A Rothschild calling Obama an elitist. LMAO

"Fry, you're obviously not a trial attorney. The tactic with respect to the other side's argument is to show that the other side is trying to show you something that is hand picked to make things look better (or worse) than they are."

Is that how it works? WOW I'm impressed. Never heard of such a thing, that must be a secret tactic that only you high end attorneys know about. You don't mind if I relay this secret to some of my attorney associates. I can tell you right here and now, your legal minded brilliance will utterly dazzle them.

Op-Ed Contributor
A Failure Tax

JONATHAN G S KOPPELL
Published: September 16, 2008
New Haven

" Why not make investment banks and other companies pay premiums for this catastrophic risk insurance? The government already provides flood, bank and crop insurance. Unlike participants in those programs, however, the companies that qualify for “too big to fail” insurance do not pay for the privilege. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/opinion/17koppell.html?th&emc=th

Today is the birthday of the US Constitution. Let's all take a moment today to celebrate this. It's a good thing, that what's left of it after 8 years of shredding by BushCheney.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/092008/09172008/411094

fyi, rothchild by marriage only
"Forester is the CEO of EL Rothschild, a holding company with businesses around the world. She is married to international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild. Forester is a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York." [from fry's 6:32 link]

Oh Craig, you're so poetic when describing the Palin Syndrome. Good work! Palin is paling.

{rant} And the walls came tumbling down. BushCo has devastated & raped the whole world's financial system, as predicted.

The financial bail outs have an interesting timing. Let's see, there's a Presidential election in less than 2 months. Sooo, let's get ours NOW, they're saying? YES, of course.

Question: WHY am I, We the People, bailing out corporations with 'our' money? No one's bailing out We the People.

I heard Hank Greenberg make the point that AIG HAS assets and isn't bankrupt. Its ONLY problem is liquidity. WELL.....didn't they think of this & plan ahead? Why do We the People have to provide liquidity to them? Oh yeah, it's because it's an important company with tendrils all over the world.

Bull feathers.

Why doesn't the Fed provide liquidity to all the People who need it? {/rant}

tt

She is married to international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild."

patd, A little down on their luck. :-)

and third wife at that.
"On November 30, 2000, Sir Evelyn married the American lawyer and entrepreneur Lynn Forester, head of the Luxembourg-based wireless broadband venture FirstMark Communications Europe and the former wife of Andrew Stein, a New York City political figure who served as the last president of the New York City Council." [wiki]

My friend is talking right now to her brother in Iraq, he' s living in a tent city in Bagdad. Let's all hope he returns safely.

http://www.house.gov/stearns/SpecialSections/VisitingTroops/Cliff-in-Iraq/CongressIraq/CongressIraq-Images/1.jpg

peace~

Rezdog,

Well at least you read it.

How rich is that? A Rothschild calling Obama an elitist.

LOL. See this is where you are having the problem, you automatically associated rich with elitist. Not sure that is how it works. Being rich or having wealth is a physical thing. An elitist is a class or group issue, more physiological, a perceived superiority, a feeling of self importance. An elitist attitude doesn't discriminate, one could be rich, poor, or somewhere in the middle.

September 16, 2008, 7:00 pm
The Campaign in the Classroom
By Kenneth Bernstein

" I am shameless. When I encounter someone who I think might be of interest to my students, I ask, even beseech, them to come to my classes. In the past I have had such journalistic notables as David Broder of The Washington Post, Candy Crowley of CNN and Chuck Todd of MSNBC, as well as campaign and congressional committee chiefs of staff and candidates for federal office. After the elections my students will hear from two House members from other states. I have parents who work in the government, in politics — or cover both as journalists — and some who are lobbyists. Several have already agreed to come, but that is later in the year. When I let students know that we will have such visitors, it can encourage some to learn more in order to better engage in dialog with our visitors. ""

http://lessonplans.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/the-campaign-in-the-classroom/
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I like his way of teaching .... I don't remember Carrie saying any of her teachers doing this in College ...

viv

in that milieu, she should know an elitist when she sees one.

AIG has traded 360 million shares so far today.

TT -- I'll take that bailout! My broker called me yesterday -- he said the news isn't as bad as I fear, but I might not want to open this month's statement when it comes in, lol.

Anyway -- a perfect song for today -- as it was when it first came out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daBx_PBrvSE

I consider myself a realist and had stated on this site since last fall that Obama would be the nominee and that he would "never pick" Hillary as his VP. Though I support McCain I believed he has little chance to win, yet Obama's weakness was so evident that the closeness of the race tests all rationale. With this financial crisis looming it only adds to Obama's advantage IMO.

I have been circumspect when I speak of Obama and have little difficulty in praising him and paying him his due. Recently when BO went to Europe and met with world leaders, he looked like a statesmen, self assured and confident in his mastery, which belied his inexperience, yet Obama strode with an ease and comfort with fellow dignitaries giving forth a positive impression of himself and of our country.

The pinnacle of BO's triumphant tour was his speech in front of 80,000 adoring, cheering fans, yet there was an imperceptible discordancy, a disquiet that pervaded those festivities like Bavarian sausage on a bagel. When BO returned from his rock star performance, he quickly returned to the campaign trail. Suddenly he found himself thrust amongst strangers, alien, yet recognizable, his fellow citizens of the rust belt and Appalachia, the Wal-mart moms, coal miners, and Reagan democrats. Obama was viewed cooly, with suspicion and perceived he was "not one of them," and when he promised them, much and all. a panoply, like a carnival barker his massage failed to take hold.

Obama "deigned" to seek out "these people," blue collar mostly, and forced by geography, forced by necessity, and even forced against his inclinations. These ordinary citizens could see what the Europeans could not, Obama's "pride," unchecked and pervasive, and found him wanting and "detached" from their lives and concerns. They instinctively knew Obama "was not one of them, and found his entreaties hard to swallow, much like "arugula.".

Many on this site often decry what has BO accomplished?

To those I say please don't sell Obama short, he's succeeded in casting Bill Clinton as a racist, polarized our people by color, age, sex, geography, city and rural, rich and poor. Obama who walked so comfortably with the worlds leaders, yet stumbles in Appalachia and the rust belt. A complicated man of many parts, small and ?

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Robert Reich, my hero says, "...The end of socialized capitalism? Don't bet on it."

...."Ironically, a free-market-loving Republican administration is presiding over the most ambitious intrusion of government into the market in almost anyone's memory."

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

The Repubs are such GD hypocrites!

*gag*

tt

whoops .. ment high school & college

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146647

And they used every old right wing joke, calumny, pieces of filth, and websites to do it. Which is why I can't understand any woman voting Republican particularly when the Reps are modeling Palin as the second coming of Clinton. Too bad that she is at best a cheap imitation knock off.

Alicia Knigh

See Alice that is something to celebrate, the birthday of the US Constitution. You are the first person to make mention of it. Nice work.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146652

I like you and Jack. Sturgeone is a particular favorite because he keeps me on my toes with the puns, music, and references. I do not like Champ, so for the most part ignore him. He is like a foul mouthed teenager who doesn't know how to behave in an adult gathering. I can't give him the heave ho, so I just try not to pay attention to the immature noise.

Fry, AIG got the financial influx and their stock's still down.

tt

Alicia, regardless of the world circumstances, it ya wanna have GOOD NEWS call your broker. Feeling down & depressed? Call your broker.

Broker's are better than a shrink when it come to trying to spread GOOD news.

tt

Nope, definitely more like the TX cheerleader murdering mom. Spidey senses have been tingling for 2 weeks now.

Fry is wrong, just like the MSM was wrong when they thought women would come around before the Dem convention.

The disasta-from-Alaska was a cold, bucket of pandering, sexist water in the face. That's what brought me back to the Dems.

Liked the way Obama sounded yesterday. Now, if he would just flush out his speeches with a few details...

Tanning beds don't give full spectrum light, so I don't think SADD is an excuse. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia.

Toast,

"To those I say please don't sell Obama short, he's succeeded in casting Bill Clinton as a racist, polarized our people by color, age, sex, geography, city and rural, rich and poor. Obama who walked so comfortably with the worlds leaders, yet stumbles in Appalachia and the rust belt"

Yes he is, and more. If JM was smart I keep putting out that video clip of BHO talking about those who cling to their guns and religion. And of course he only apologized because he got caught. He was with people he felt comfortable with, people he could express his true feelings.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Virginia_91735.pdf

As McCain pulls ahead in other states, Virginia becomes a must win for Obama.

alicia, just for you, your broker and the rest of us quivering mortals today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVE72Ae82Tw

Fry -- You keep calling me Alice. Why? My name is Alicia.

Blue,

"Fry is wrong, just like the MSM was wrong when they thought women would come around before the Dem convention."

2 things. The reason the women didn't come around before the D's convention, and some HRC supporter still haven't, is because of the treatment of HRC. And you have to ask yourself why are leading D's and DNC members starting to lean towards JM?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/

Thanks Patd, (I think.) Now here's one for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM&feature=related

Virginia = Wonderland? :-)

Tiptoe -- Very good advice about brokers. Yes, mine tends to be on the sunny side -- all the time. Now's a great time to put more money in the market! Fire sale prices! At least that's what he said yesterday. LOL!

FD

There is no "beginning" about that. It is a rehash of noises she made months ago. She was always a conservative and only backed HIllary based on aquaintance. The fact that the tiger has resumed its stripes isn't news.

Alicia,
I noticed that (name thing) more than once....kind of odd.

Re the Rothschilde NEWS

Here is from July 10. I guess the Reps drag her out every few months to prove women who supported Clinton really do like McCain no matter how often they say they don't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6482200

Gerson is a total Repug hack, discredited as well. He shouldn't be in Wapo, he should be in Whacko.

Obama is not spending the kind of money he needs to in VA. The local committees are having to pony up thousands of $'s in cash for signs and literature from the Obama campaign. A little irritating considering Obama's war chest could very nearly bail out AIG from one month's take.

He does have the advantage of reverse coat tails with Mark Warner running for US Senate. Not much of a speaker -- but one heck of a guvner.

Ohio - Oh eight -Obama (say it out loud & repeat like a chant) you'll get the idea. That was the chant at the Hillary rally on Sunday @ LCCC

I may go to see Biden , I think tomorrow....

You are the biggest loser

“With states like Ohio and Florida trending more toward John McCain, the ability to hold
onto this small lead in Virginia becomes more and more vital to Barack Obama’s chances
of taking the White House,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “He
wins here, he almost definitely wins overall. He loses here and he has very little margin
for error in Colorado, New Mexico, and some of the closer states that voted for Kerry in
2004.”

Failed that comprehension class didja?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146538

Being in the spotlight is not always a good thing... If you really think she represents your values and your vision of the future, by all means vote for her. She's Dan Quayle in drag. Of course if things get too messy, they can always drag out Murphy Brown again as a bad role model for our society.

Gotta love the Repugs....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146539

Yeah right, a Hillary supporter is now supporting McCain. The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!!

Alicia, brokers have to be on the 'sunny side'. The truth is bad for business.

tt

This nothing more than another D witch hunt, trying to smear and malign the very popular Sarah Palin.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 17, 2008 8:12 AM

Yes another D witch hunt, like Whitewater, replacing a neutral special prosecutor with a right wing activist out to derail a sitting President. Yes it's another D witch hunt, like prying into the private sex lives of people when the original charges didn't take.

Damn those D's

Fry, Alice doesn't live here any more.

tt

Dan Quail, Quail

Quayle

Hard to make fun of someone for being stupid when you can't spell their name right.

Or is Palin's passion hate driven?

My name is Alicia.

Yes it is, and I used it the last time I replied to you. But I see I missed some of your posts.

Here is a questions for you, and they are straight forward questions, nothing tricky.

1. How m,any votes did HRC receive during the primary.
2. how many did BHO receive during the primary.

Why wouldn't those dedicated HRC supporters write in her name?

Why hasn't there been a ground swell of PO HRC supporters organizing such a demonstration?

If you, not you personally, but you the HRC supporters were so displeased by the way HRC was treated, how BHO was push to the head of the line, and knowing that HRC is the more qualified candidate no questions asked, why would they settle for 2nd best? BHO is less than 2nd best, but it is what it is.

People are always complaining about the system, but when they are given the chance to really shake things up, they settle for the same old thing. And that is why I see D females as abused women, you come back crawling to those who have abused you.

When you lose come Nov, remember you had a real chance to change things, and you settled for the same old spoon feed crap. This is who you got to vote for.

Bear,

The D party didn't want race to be part of their campaign, but it is the D party who keep talking about BHO's race. You did read the link didn't you??? That quote came from, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who is the D governor of Kansas.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 17, 2008 8:45 AM

Bear, notice how he ignores your question about McInsane and the Powerpuff Girl being "100% American". I would too. How can even FD defend the indefensible?

tt,
Fry, AIG got the financial influx and their stock's still down.

Yeah, so? Your for bigger gov't doesn't get much bigger than this.

"...in my part of Texas, people refer to McCain and Palin as 100% American...I assume these people are referring to them being white?"
bear, you're probably right; but giving them the benefit of doubt, it might be that it's just too hard in texas twang to say "scots/irish/english/german- or eurowhatever-american" in one breath.
Posted by: patd | September 17, 2008 9:01 AM

Patd you are being overly generous. With all the right wing hand wringing that Barack Obama has dual citizenship and a secret Muslim identity and probably his own little decoder ring found in a box of cereal, refering to the Repugs' candidates as "100% American" is clear in intent and meaning.

NEW THREAD

Quayle made himself....he did it all alone....remember his push for Family Values and he sighted a TV sit-com as the example....

Similar to Carly ( except she didn't get pick for VP) Fiorina....complaining about Tina Fey

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I wish Andera Mitchell would have asked Cary if she thought she could run the country? That would have been an interesting answer to hear...after everything else Carly said.

Fry: Grammar police

your = you're = you are

And that makes the Repubs even BIGGER hypocrites seeking corporate handouts, corporate welfare, socialized capitalism.

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-palin-syndrome.html#comment-146597

FryDaddy you are nothing but a repulsive bully. You owe Alicia an apology. I bet you were the one picking on kids littler than you in school to make up for your own feeble ego.

happy birthday constitution! You will recieve a late birthday present in January as Bush finally steps down for good leaving you a chance to heal from all that abuse.

Wow, I've been gone for a while - and look at how things have changed. I guess FryDaddy's the new Gordo!

Posted by: Politics of Utopia | September 17, 2008 11:04 AM

OMG PoU, I've been thinking that exact thing the last couple days. Makes me wonder if he and Gordo aren't one and the same...

But I am sure you would agree with me, women shouldn't be abused or accept abuse in any form???

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 17, 2008 10:54 AM

That is a different tone than you used with Alicia. I agree with your statement here and no, they should not be abused in any form, including on a blog.

Is that how it works? WOW I'm impressed. Never heard of such a thing, that must be a secret tactic that only you high end attorneys know about. You don't mind if I relay this secret to some of my attorney associates. I can tell you right here and now, your legal minded brilliance will utterly dazzle them.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 17, 2008 11:56 AM

FD, all you seem able to do is attack anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you... And for some of us that has gotten pretty old. I've dealt with bullies like you before and know how they tick. As for your "attorney associates", I am sure it is some sort of "secret society". Got a dark room dungeon in your house?" The way you talk I can see you with a hood and all the accessories.

alicia, backatcha. here's to aig et al

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

tt,

And you are over 100, or so you say.

SolarCreate, you are kind !!! We need more voices like yorus!

Fry -- The answer is simple. As much as I'm upset about what happened in my primary, I'm still a Democrat. I've been repeatedly roughed up pretty badly by GOPs in the past and I've never forgotten it. I'm under no illusions that the game of politics is a fair fight, it's not. So I'm not open to the GOP when it now speaks with it's soothing voice, "Come here little lady, you were treated so mean by those nasty boys in the Obama team. We like you now because you will help us win. See? We even got ourselves a girl on the ticket. We're Feminists now!"
(Yeah right, buddy. I think I'll stick with the devils I know.)

Bottom line -- You're right. I really don't like Obama. But you know what, Fry Daddy? I absolutely can't stand McCain.

So I'm holding my nose and voting Obama. I'm not working for him or giving him money -- I'll leave that to the true believers. But there is absolutely nothing you can say that will make me like McCain or the GOP -- who are against everything I'm for.

Aw shucks ET

That's what my workers say when we are not art work---at work they know that there is no messing around, especially when a Concrete truck shows up, just the words concrete makes ( they
say Hkl and Hide) my pulse race.

NEW THREAD

Somebody is still interested in Sarah Palin and now the FBI is interested in them I sure hope these Hackers don't lead back to Obama supporters.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/17/mccain-camp-seeks-investigation-over-reported-e-mail-hack/

Please, Sarah Palin? Oh, and by the way, well done using yahoo to conduct state business. Works well to side step any investigation into abuse of power. She tore a page from the Bush administration on that one. This woman is a JOKE, a scary joke, but a joke nonetheless.

If your ready to become a bible banging evangelical, believe that the world is around 4000 years old (which would mean that that humans, basically put them on a leash like a pet -yabadabadooo), and that a bunch of old hacks in Washington should decide how many babies you have, then by all means vote McCain/Palin. Hey, what the heck it is easier than actually thinking!

Oh and Sarah can see Russia from her house.

Go back to sleep - everything is going to all right...

Need a good laugh ?

SARAH PALIN: A SIX-POINT PLAN FOR HER DEBATE WITH JOSEPH BIDEN.

http://www.culturekiosque.com/nouveau/comment/sarah_palin_joe_biden_debate242.html

False Breeze? Sarah attracted over 60,000 to a rally in The Villages retirement community north of Orlando on September 21. It might be a case of premature prognostication to proclaim her dead and buried.