Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I don't think we should be satisfied with the fact that our Democratic nominee tells FEWER lies than John McCain.

McCain's seem more offensive because his campaign assumes we are all stupid.

This doesn't mean that Obama can mislead and exagerate.

Why Obama?

Because he is intelligent and forward-thinking. He has shown correct judgment on the major issues such as:

IRAQ:

-In 2002, Obama said that the Iraq War was "an ill-conceived venture which would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

IRAN:

-Five former U.S. secretaries of state* have urged the next presidential administration to open a dialogue with Iran.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/28/america/Secretaries-Advice.php

*Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger, James Baker III, Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright.

(While McCain has "joked" - "Bomb bomb bomb Iran." And if you need more evidence Obama is right - compare the situation in N. Korea - which improved after Bush finally agreed to engage - and the situation in Iran).

MORTGAGE CRISIS:

-March 27, 2008:

"Obama laid out six different areas where he would stiffen regulations of the financial system. He proposed relief for homeowners and the long-term unemployed as part of an additional $30 billion stimulus package, much like the one Clinton offered last week.

He said outdated government regulations have fallen dangerously behind the realities of modern finance."

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Mar27/0,4670,DemocratsEconomy,00.html

THE NEXT PRESIDENT:

-For two years, Obama has based his campaign on the idea of bringing change to Washington. John McCain has run on the message of reform for about two weeks. (Prior to that - he ran on "decades of experience in Washington")

Obama continues to provide complex solutions to the complex problems facing our Country. Quick and easy solutions may play well on the campaign trail - but after 8 years of Bush - wouldn't the White House benefit from a thoughtful and pragmatic politician like Obama.

Earlier Monday, AIG said they need a bridge loan of $40 billion...by closing time they had been downgraded so much they now need $75 billion. This is just going to get worse...follow this one closely....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/business/16aig.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Old McInsane stood there last week laughin' and telling us that "AND SHE SOLD IT ON EBAY!!---FOR A PROFIT!! "
That was the jet she had at her disposal. The jet was NOT sold on ebay at all...it was sold by private aviation brokers...AT A LOSS TO THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA.
Another big lie by McInsane.

The private cook? Fired, yes...a true act of compassion!!
She found work cooking in the legislature kitchen or something like that.

TINA FEY FOR VEEP !!!

What about when Obama makes it sound like he is for universal healthcare but if I read Krugman correctly there is an opt out and it wouldn't work. Then there is the charges of racism and the Clintons, since Obama runs his own campaign, Obama never said anything to dispel the charges of racsim against the Clintons from his campaign(the old Catholic sin of omission).

The media and voters questioned Hillary's tales of her Bosnia trip. Hell, Palin's tales pale in comparison on a half a dozen topics. To some, Hillary's gaffe cost her the election. Does no one care here?

Palin lies about:

1. Cooperation in troopergate investigation
2. Taxes she owes on office business travel
3. Bridge to nowhere money
4. Requesting earmarks in general
5. Membership of her and hubby in Alaska separation movement
6. Going to Iraq

That's just the few I remember.

"Evidence Free?" Perceptions never die, they just fade away (very slowly)...

Case-in-point #1: As recently as February 2008, only 53% of those surveyed believe "the Bush administration deliberately misled the American public about whether Iraq has weapons of mass destruction." That is only up from 31% in June 2003. In other words, 42% of the American population still think there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when we invaded (5% didn't have an opinion)..

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1633/Iraq.aspx

Case-in-point #2: In a recent poll, Gallup found that McCain is perceived as more "honest and trustworthy" than Obama 46% to 39% (margin of error +/- 3%). Therefore, McCain can stray further from the truth without the public questioning his claims than can Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110146/McCain-Regains-Upper-Hand-Leadership-Dimension.aspx

It all goes back to the old adage that "people believe what they want to believe."

Consider these sudden, stark and concurrent reversals
- Palin instead of Lieberman
- Sequestration from Press instead of StraighTalk Express
- Gung ho adoption of Bush/Rove campaign torture tactics that were used against him in 2004

Were these McCain's ideas? No. They are the ideas of his newly aquired campaign team. Is McCain in charge of his campaign? Not anymore.

The John McCain who stood up to torture in Vietnam has buckled under to these new Campaign Managers. John McCain the Agent of Change is now a Victim of Change. The people he vowed to fight have already overpowered him.

Michael Lewitt, op-ed, today's Times: " A.I.G. (may) be unable to meet its obligations and be forced into liquidation. A side effect: Its collapse would be as close to an extinction-level event as the financial markets have seen since the Great Depression.

A.I.G. does business with virtually every financial institution in the world."

EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT LOOMING...AS EARLY AS TODAY!!!

McInsane says we're sound...

Blonde wino; 11:53 am............"Obama shoved down our throats", ain't it the truth. It's kinda like when Gretzky used to play hockey, the announcers behaved like there was no one else on the ice, I'm sure he got assist points, even if he was 3 miles away from the rink..................................

Chef Sheila; 1:31 pm ................."only then can we move back towards the middle", FAT CHANCE, and if you truly believe that, I apologise for being snide, and, I have some swampland for sale........................

toast; 2:28 pm ................ "Palin's popularity the only wild card," Hillary, and Harold Ford Jr., now that would be a dream ticket.......................................................

Jamie; 3:38 pm................. Richard Wright, oh I am sorry, they were the very, very best........................

Champ; 3:53 pm............Save your breath, the hypocrisy around here is so deep you could drown in it........4:06 pm ............ "they won't be up to vote", Hear, Hear, if they can't text it, it won't get done....................................

Fry; Never mind, we're only the working class, not the latte drinkers, so we're continually going to get it in the neck from these cultists. Both of these candidates suck gray water. I mean all we had to beat in 2004 was a guy who couldn't get through "The Night Before Christmas", twice, Kerry couldn't do it, and now he's mentoring and promoting this robot he thinks he can govern through. I guess with Theresa's money, he could probably be considered "elitest" as well........

Bowmanc; 7:39 pm ........... Bow, everyone knows if your looking for coverage on BO, all you have to do is dial msnbc........... They're probably playing Lohan or Anderson's quotes. Pamela Anderson, now that's a "pig in lipstick".

Warren 11:25 pm ...................... Don't mean to rain on your parade man, but he's been told what to think and do every day of his very short career, by his WIFE......

These are all to the previous thread..........................

Rita

It's interesting to see how few have posted here - suggests to me that maybe some people wore themselves out on the last blog. There was a flood of hot air on that.

My money is in cd's cuz I can't stand the thought of having to watch the stock market, which I see as pretty much of a poker game on a grand scale

Seems to me the de-reg began with Jimmy Carter - didn't he de-reg the airlines? If anything should have proved how de-reg doesn't solve problems, THAT was the poster child if anybody was watching.

I remember Papa Bush pushing for some breaks for the banking industry - don't remember exactly what they were, but I'd like to know if they directly responsible for today's problems.

Obama has the opportunity now to put McPalin away now. This isn't about today, it's about tomorrow quite literally. If I thought the danger of McPalin would be short term and teach the dnc a lesson, I'd vote for them.
But the next half century and further is looming . I will vote for a candidate I don't like in order to leave a viable
system for children I love.

Good morning all!
Bethyboo- I believe , could be wrong, that Reagan was the one who really started deconstructing the safeguards in place from FDR.

Here's a question which I imagine Jamie or Jack could easily answer. Isn't the real problem in the oil industry, the refining of the oil?

Craig-

Have you read the bill in question? It clearly states that any course in sex education in grades K-12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted disease and infection including HIV. I don't know if Obama supported the bill or not but I think the MSM should get all the facts straight. Read the bill.

BHO, hope you served these Liberal Rich Friends of yours more than chicken.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbh.htm

Craig,
The sad point about the McCain Ads - yes maybe to far but the fact is the results are very possible.
Check your facts and then you will need to revise the strong statement you made in the end of your post.

Fact - Obama voting history has allowed for the potental dangers pointed out - maybe unintended but regardless the outcome is possible

The Grade of today ? – Is the Fact checking supporting the posts then the grade is the lowest on record.

At a minimum Obama is very guilty of being very sloppy in his votes which introduced the ability to teach inappropriate sexual content to children.

Why not jump in his defense on the Abortion ads - by the way in which Obama is playing some very aggressive ads against McCain – and if these facts check out – then McCain did not need Sarah Palin to rally the troops. T

The point is Barack Obama is extremely liberal in his views as demonstrated in his votes and the American People need to know and understand that fact.

End result - Sadly this post is miserably equal to standards of the MSM.

At some point voters ought to recognize that, even within the context of evidence-free MSM articles and loss of Journalistic standards, …….

"in grades K-12"

"K" stands for kindergarten, and as we have already seen, how far of a stretch would it be for some well meaning, Liberal think teacher, I know better than the parents what their kids should be exposed to, bring in Transgenders Life Style Monthly? It is never an exaggeration to expect the Far Left Liberals to trample on parents rights.

If McCain can so easily and readily lie to you without blinking, how can you believe him when he tells you ANYTHING! You can't. A man's word is his bond. You just can't trust McCain to be honest.

John McCain -- "he walked the anti-regulatory party line, with only occasional exceptions...and tried to lay down a smokescreen of righteousness by campaigning against small potato[e!]s like legislative earmarks--money to study the mating habits of, uh, crabs, in, uh, Alaska (proposed by Governor Honorable)." Joe Klein

"It has been noted by Charles Krauthammer and others that very few people have stepped forward to vouch for Barack Obama."

Correct Charles starting with BHO's alleged admission of drug use as a teenager. A closet drug user?

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career

Please Craig.... Obama is quite clever isn't he? He is careful not to say things himself but he leaves the dirt to his surragates and the underground rumor mill. Look at the racist charges leveled at the Clintons. There is ample evidence the Obama campaign fueled much of this and certainly never dispelled the charges in the African-American community. There is plenty of other examples too.

Craig, Is it a fact that MSM continues to protect BHO? and that more digging and negative reporting is being washed on the Republican much as the MSM pushed negative with HRC?

I would agree that the McCain ad might be a distortion and the facts should be checked out - NOT BY THE ST PETE TIMES - which has gone down hill.

How about the past of Obama? When is this going to be vetted in the same agressive style as Palin, and Palin is the VP !!

Sometimes the fluff in the bucket is hiding shards of glass, nails and razor wire. Name-calling is particulary not a good idea when the top of your ticket has been equated with fluff/cotton candy/an empty suit.

Just go after her record of cronyism, taxation, abuse of power, lying and not standing up for womens' rights. Don't let her hide behind that frozen smile, and do not, under any circumstance, be fooled into believing she is just fluff.

A name you should become familiar with, Saul Alinsky, another Chicago Community Organizer.

Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years Obama became very proficient in the Alinsky Method of community organizing. So much so that he became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers..

Author of, "Rules For Radicals"

Alinsky's dedication to his own book, Rules for Radicals:

"Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."

This will play well to BHO has tagged, "those who cling to their guns and religion."

Blue,

"womens' rights"

Please elaborate, specifically which "women's right" are you referring to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html

"Organizers didn’t make any money; their poverty was proof of their integrity."
This Obama quote from FryDaddy's link is an example of what I initially found so irritating about Obama. The premises in his logic are often fallacious.

This morning MoJo had a bash Sarah Palin fest. Even laughing about the fact that she bought, with her own money, a tanning bed for the gym in the govenors office. Considering that Alaska does at times have a lack of optimal sunlight I don't think that was such a stupid idea. It may have been stupid if she lived in California. It can help counter SAD, seasonal affective disorder.

They did show a poll where people chose Paliin as the candidate most like them. I don't think making fun of her is a good tactic anymore than when Obama made fun of those who during times of stress cling to their guns and their religion. I am not a big gun advocate but I do have a gun under my bed and I do a fair amount of praying when times get tough which was just last week when Ike was bearing down on us.

Looking down their noses at regular people, who have gone to run of the mill colleges might not be such a good idea. Look where many of these highly educated people who have gone to Ivy League schools have gotten us. That includes the CEOs of these failing financial instutions and our last president.

Many Americans probably can relate to Sarah Palin, a regular mom, who came from a small town and worked her way up to govenor and now a vice presidential candidate.

Carol

DOW dropped 504.48 points, or 4.4 percent. It was the biggest decline since Sept. 17, 2001. But this doesn't come anywhere close to Black Monday, October, 19.7, 1987, fell over 22.5%.

Why is this group so supportive of BHO? What do they know that is so enticing? Left, Left, Left, go farther to your Left.

http://www.zazzle.com/workers_for_obama_shirt-235848023343662318

ct,
"Many Americans probably can relate to Sarah Palin, a regular mom, who came from a small town and worked her way up to govenor and now a vice presidential candidate."

Sarah Palin scares the living hell out of Liberals. She has accomplished many of the things the Libs only give lip service to, but since Sarah is a R, her accomplishments are meaningless. They are accomplishment to be made fun of, and ridiculed. The Liberal are simply hypocrites, and the female segment are a bunch of angry women who know their own party has screwed them to the wall once again, and are powerless to do anything about it. They basically lack the courage of their convictions, and have become victims by their own hands.

Some of you might find this link interesting, guess it will piss others off too.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/into_the_obama_tank_for_the_fi.html

Mornin' all.

Ping, only time can prove Craig's statement as having being inaccurate and needing to be corrected - although I really can't see time changing the lies about positions already taken. Until it is disproved, McCain's campaign is lying more than Obama's and the statement is perfectly accurate as wriitten..

Here's what I want an answer to - what Obama campaign officials or supporters is behind the Alaska legislature's investigation into Palin's firing of the trooper who was he ex Bro-in-law? That is the reason that is being given for her refusal to cooperate in the investigation. And before you assume too much, I think there was probably plenty of reasonto fire him - I just never heard of a governor making personnel decisions about rank and file state police.

Fry, there's a Transgenders Life Style Monthly? Who knew? More likely they would bring in a condom and a banana - although I doubt that in K. Sex ed has been going on for at least 3 decades in the US, and that's the worst complaint I've heard - aside from acknowledging that sometimes boys like boys and girls like girls - oh, and that the rhythm method doesn't work to prevent pregnancy or STDs, but condoms do.
Saul Alinsky?? Please. Have you ever heard one word from Obama or anyone in his campaign praising Saul Alinsky's beliefs rather than his community organizing methods? I'd love a link to that. I suggest you read about his method and realize that its use has nothing to do with his personal beliefs.

http://www.infed.org/thinkers/alinsky.htm

Here, if we're going to play the guilt by association game, Alinsky was dead for 13 years before Obama became a community organizer in Chicago. Charles Keating was very much alive when John McCain took his bribes. Wonder who knew who better?

And to answer your question about support for Obama - for me it is a one issue campaign to keep McCain from appointing any supreme court justices.

carol - http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145737 - please. SAD? And it gives you that lovely pink-red-brown glow.

Morning,

When Karl Rove goes on FOX News and makes a statement of John McCain's Campaign being over the top with lies and distortions.....well that caused me to pause.

So Craig you are right in making a statement too. Every campaign stretches the truth. However, the ones that were stretched on the McCain side were a bit too far.

oldseahag,

LOL great nic. Never really read it in full.

The link in your 8:12 AM post, hits the old nail firmly on the head about the MSM loves fest with BHO. They, MSM, either over look BHO's failings or provide excuses for them, and very few in the MSM will ever challenge him.

Fry, I usually like your banter here, and agree with you on more than a few points, but you are full of sh*t this morning re: liberals. Insert conservatives and your comments are just as valid. The people on both ends of the political spectrum ignore the faults of their candidate on the huge issues that matter while they pick the other candidate apart on chickenshit - just like you are doing. It's called politics, and even the guru of gutter politics - Karl Rove - has said McCain has ggone too far in his lies. But I digress. While the economy is showing signs of having been damaged badly by Bush's policies you ignore McCain's voting record supporting them right down the line and instead focus on Obama's support for sex ed. Ignore the elephant in the room, please. Palin's accomplishments are perfectly admirable, but are not in the league of accomplishments that I like to see in someone who is running to be the No. 2 job in the US. She has no foreign policy exerience, was a mayor of a one stoplight town, and governor of a small state (population counts - area, not so much). Plus she lies about her experience. btw, I don't think Obama has a great deal more to offer on any of those fronts, but chosing between the two tickets, I'll take the dems.

OH FRY,

Enemy thy name is Bitter.... ;0)

Listen Pal. You don't have a hold of the Press slaming your candidate. We just spent the last two weeks lamenting the same. The Press had a lovefest all over Palin and its not finished.

just because you Candidate stubbed his toe....buck up Mr repo! Buck up!

Good to see ya BTW, ;0) lol

I have always been a hard core Democrat and would have never dreamed I would even be considering a Republican. I am opposed to almost everything they stand for. The only Republican I have been impressed with is Chuck Hagel. He was never one to parrot the Republican talking points.

I was so proud when Nancy P became the speaker of the house and then later dissappointed with her performance.

I still can't understand what qualifies Obama to be our Democratic candidate. He certainly is qualified for his senate seat but even then he had no real competition in that race. His opponent was transplanted from another state and wasn't even liked by some of his children.

Please explain to little old simple me what Obama's great accomplishments are. Maybe that would help. I am still pissed that he didn't select Hillary for his VP. It was as if he didn't want anyone who would out shine him.

Also don't think it was so bad when McCain said the fundamentals of the economy are sound. He did admit we were having a crisis and a lot of things needed to change.

Why scare peole to death? Is it so good an idea to set off a panic. A panic can complicate this crisis. Bush did that in the run up to war with Iraq. The Republicans always used this "fear tactic" to manipulate us.

Carol

"Karl Rove - has said McCain has ggone too far in his lies"

The quote I saw yesterday was "both sides" were going to far.

Jack

Pogo my friend,

Good to be on at the same time. ;0) Mad made it to baby Blog finally .

David Brooks, no wild eyed liberal, he, agrees with Will and Krauthammer and doesn't think Palin has it, either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16brooks.html?ref=opinion

Better go back to the drawing board - the selection Brooks suggests isn't an option.

Bob Herbert's column points out the main problem with this campaign - focusing on the bullsh*t, ignoring the issues that matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html?ref=opinion

He's focusing on health insurance - it applies across the board (oh, check under your beds - there may be a terr'ist under there).

I never said "gone too far". Karl Rove said "over the top". There's a difference here. He expressed that McCain was 100% + on his distortion.

AND Jack, you noticed that I said all campaigns stretch the truth. We know we are too. Just not as heinously.

John McCain will calm down now. No need to protray a legislator as teaching SEX ED to kindergarteners who can't read yet.

I believe thats the one the Karl Rove referenced that sent McCain over the top.

Pogo,

Saul Alinsky?? Please. Have you ever heard one word from Obama or anyone in his campaign praising Saul Alinsky's beliefs rather than his community organizing methods? I'd love a link to that. I suggest you read about his method and realize that its use has nothing to do with his personal beliefs.

Well pogo did he or didn't he: "Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years Obama became very proficient in the Alinsky Method of community organizing. So much so that he became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers.."

BTW that is from from the Far Left not the Right. They obviously see something in BHO you are welling to overlook. There are a lot of association you'll never hear BHO mention, but that is not proof they don't exist. BHO. BHO is dumb, not stupid so you'll not hear him praising a Communist Radical, such as Community Organizer Alinsky, as that would not prove very beneficial. But that doesn't mean BHO doesn't believe in Alinsky's ideology. Of the two, it is the ideology hiding behind the spoken words which is the driving force.

Carol, "Please explain to little old simple me what Obama's great accomplishments are. Maybe that would help. I am still pissed that he didn't select Hillary for his VP. It was as if he didn't want anyone who would out shine him."

I wish I could. There are those here who will try. As for old simple me the choice is about who selects judges and justices - I don't want another Roberts/Scalia/Thomas/Alito on the court. And I don't want a small town mayor as president when JM dies in office.

pogo,

"Palin's accomplishments are perfectly admirable, but are not in the league of accomplishments that I like to see in someone who is running to be the No. 2 job in the US."

But pogo her accomplishments for the #2 position far out shines those of the D party's #1 person, BHO. BHO's resume is empty, just like the person. BHO is the DNC's and MSM PC selection. We all know it, the D party lead BHO to the front of the line over the more qualified person, HRC.

Well,

Before I go to get ready for work Pogo.

I know the reason why he didn't pick Clinton. I also know that Hillary and Bill Clinton agreed with the reason.
My little birds and former friends from the campaign. But right now, i bet its not the time to discuss people who are still feeling slighted. So someday maybe.

Until then good luck to you all. Have a great day. campaigns come and go, but blogs don't. Here's to Friends old and new.

CIO!

AIG Down Again Amid Cash Crisis

AIG has been scrambling to raise as much as $75 billion to weather the crisis

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122156561931242905.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

(where can you find 75 Billion in a couple days ? -the answer is -NOT IN THE USA )

It going to be bad.....dominoes....everything is connected...so get ready - if you think the economy is bad now.....just wait.

pogo - " I don't want another Roberts/Scalia/Thomas/Alito on the court. And I don't want a small town mayor as president when JM dies in office.

me neither.

Sometime in the next 50 days, Obama has to convince people that they will enjoy having him around for at least the next four years and that he will be well counselled enough that he will be entertaining without being dangerous. Otherwise voters will opt for the dull but familiar McCain with the snazzy sidekick even if that isn't in their best interest.

Posted by: Jamie

hard to find the excitement you're talking about in those poll results. Obama should be miles ahead of McCain in the rust belt, but he's struggling to stay even. I really don't get it.

Posted by: pogo
From the previous thread.

Jamie, pogo,

Since we were all ardent Hillary supporters we know that she was harshly criticized by the biased MSM, yet no one ever inferred Hillary was WEAK, the same cannot be said for the steely Obama.

Jamie, in my effort to be fair to Obama I have been reserved in my criticism of him from my earliest posts to the present, having decided to use only "key words" selected from the MSM who were voracious Obama supporters. I culled any and all pundits who displayed the slightest degree of human equity, these debased few, these misogynists all, were my sole source. To name but one source the NYT, I included Frank Rich, Bob Herbert, M. Dowd to name but a few. What also guided my selection was an imperative that they had to hold a greater degree of bitterness for Hillary than OBL.

The words I "cherry picked" were the ones these sycophants "whined" and "opined" about to the point of near apoplexy when critiquing Obama. Without exception this group questioned his "strength" his "timidity'" having grave misgivings about his "weakness." Herbert frustrated, undone, asking again and again where is Obama's "inner toughness" his "pugnacity?" Maureen Dowd articulated it more gracefully, asking: where is his "spine?" I have been careful in the words I choose to criticize Obama to prove a point, limiting myself to the those used by the most blatant of pro Obama journalists.

The salient point being that all of the above pundits bashed Hillary relentlessly but none, not one, questioned her STRENGTH, these same Hillary haters left her UNSCATHED on this issue because she was so evidently a STRONG leader. If Obama's die hards are questioning his "inner toughness" his "pugnacity" his "spinelessness" am I not to take heed like so many others?

Pogo, I am not saying this is the main reason Obama is struggling in the rust belt but his perceived weakness certainly won't help him with Reagan democrats in that region and that's a certainty

If you wish to Google those columnists they will attest to the above, and if you find error - I'll vote for Obama faster than a speeding proton at CERN.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

regards,
toast

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122156561931242905.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Dslideshow

sideshow of Sept 15 - Lehman Brothers files bankruptcy

Fry, the problem is that working for an organization is not the same as adopting the beliefs of its founder, which is what you are trying to suggest without proving. I work for a large, very conservative-leaning law firm, but I certainly don't share most of the beliefs of our managing (and name) partner. I am not aware that Obama has even been asked about the extent to which he ascribes to Alinsky's beliefs as opposed to his organizing methods.

And Alinsky was never a communist. He worked with communists and admired Russia for standing up to Hitler, but he never was a member of the Communist party. He even explained it himself in a Playboy interview. http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky11.htm If you read the article from The Font of All Knowledge you pulled your quote from - you won't find a single reference to communism. And I suggest you do a little reading about the IAF post Alinsky - perhaps you could read Hillary's Wellesly senior honors thesis on his model - it's not locked up, you know - it notes that things in his model change when you take Alinsky out of it - like death took him out of the IAF 13 years before Obama was hired by it.

pogo,

"And I don't want a small town mayor as president when JM dies in office."

She is also a governor, something BHO supporters seem to forget in their attempts to further belittle her accomplishments. She also has a 80% favorable review by Alaskans who know her.

Another things Liberals fear, 2012, when JM will steps aside as POTUS, and VP Sarah Palin will run for POTUS. BHO will will be added to the D junk pile containing the remains of such notables as, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, George McGovern, Walter Mondale.

Again pogo, you don't have to put on a Cub's hat to be a Cub's fan. BHO was hired by them because he embarrassed Alinsky's ideology.

Here is another name to keep in mind, ACORN.

Pogo

As I understand Alinsky's organizing philosophy(as opposed to his political philosophy) it would easily fit with the Republican 1000 points of light or the use of faith organizations.

IIRC , he didn't organize individuals so much as organizations. Such as bringing community churchs together address neighborhood problems. Or bringing local unions to the table with other community organizations.

Jack

i dont post here too much anymore ....because
anyone
who trys to be intelligent gets harrasesd and i see a lot of good people have left this blog.......but the bias towards BHO is overwhelming.......you people are blasting MCC for distortions when obama's been lying and conning from the first day ,,,,,,hes a dirty campaigner as his history in politics have shown...his ACORN background also proves it .......Palin has been investigated more in 3 weeks than obama has in 2 years ....the media is picking our president and the only way to stop this MSM propaganda id to elect MCC
and show them we wont be led by our noses.....i know this post will be ignored as are all posts that have common sense are disregarded .....i will just scam thru the posts here and move on ....i use to like craig but now that he is in the tank for obama i will look
for a non partisan blog which seems impossible
to find.......for the sake of my grandchildren i hope the MSM loses this election

Fry, I disagree that Palin's accomplishments outshine Obama's, but we aren't going to change each other's mind on that. And while I agree with you on the DNC's duplicity, I'm stuck with a choice between the two tickets and my statement stands - I don't want JM appointing SCOTUS seats and judges or Palin being president if he dies in office - and the odds for him aren't good.

Sheila, when you get a chance and if you feel like you can do so to give me some insight, feel free to e-mail me. You know the address.

toast, you may be onto something. Certainly perceived strength is a quality that appeals to blue collar workers such as are in the rust belt. Maybe that's his problem. I think part of it is that he has been painted with the "elite" brush, and his attempts to portray himself as a community organizer in part to combat that image aren't striking a chord with those voters. Blue collar workers by and large don't give a crap about community organization beyond what they see in their unions, or at least none of the blue collar workers I've ever known care about that stuff.

jack, exactly.

Fry, that's bullsh*t. You can't establish the link other than as a matter of opinion, so you call on others to prove a negative. Were you a philosophy major - Sophist school perhaps? btw, he "embarassed Alinsky ideology". I may be even more dense than usual this morning, but what the hell does that mean?

tz, if your premise that the MSM is picking our president is right, they appear to be losing at present.

Carol-
Much of what you have said in your 8:40 post describes my take on this campaign. I have decided to vote for McCain/Palin. A year ago I was definitely leaning Obama but I wanted to know more about him. I was attracted because of his stand on the "War" which I saw as an invasion and occupation. I thought we finally had someone who would stand up to the beltway boys. But the more I saw of him, the more I realized he is just another pol. That includes throwing his friend and mentor, Rev. Wright under the bus. Palin seems like the one that can shake things up.We need a change.

pogo--

Were the justices you referred to in 8:53 post approved by a Democratic or Republican Congress? I'm thinking if McCain nominates anyone too extreme, a Congress controlled by the Dems won't let it happen--I'm counting on it. And that goes also for any legislation introduced that's extreme. By the time it makes it's way through Congress, it's usually something we can live with. Isn't that why the founders set things up this way.

And also, I don't think the founders requireed an Ivy League Education as an eligibility requirement to become POTUS. I thought one of the reasons we declared independence from England was to involve everyone in the government--educated and uneducated alike.

tz, don't quit this blog. We need people with opposing positions. I appreciate your posts. I don't want to be one of the few here who doesn't think Obama is the enlighted one.

My intuition, which has been pretty accurate in the past, tells me that in these terribly troubled times many voters are going to want a more familiar, tested leader for president. Most people are not as knowledgable about politics as the people on this blog. I come here to learn.

If Hillary was our candidate she would have won. I think if conditions were less critical Obama would have had a much better chance.

Carol

Mr. C
It's easy to lie to us,

Given the ubiquity of feelings. We need to watch and listen very carefully to both candidates, Obama and Mccain shamelessly dedicate themselves to manipulating those feelings.

That said, I am now going to vote (so is my wife and son) for Obama,I'll hold my nose,but here's why. Because of the people here that did not try to push me into it, and that I have wonderful friends that are R's, including one that joined the Marine Corps with me,we are very close but some of the things that the R's stand for, I just can't be part of. On this blog the morning crew gave me plenty to consider almost daily,and I really felt comfortable asking questions and get the answers. I also saw the way some of you came to the same conclusion after Sen C. was eliminated, but remained loyal in the only way that anyone could,giving her the credit that some others would not. I don't like to think that loyalty of party is enough. The D's principles are a lot closer to the Natural Law Party and Prof. H. views that attracted me to him.

I won't try to bully anyone into voting for Obama, or try the hypnosis that goes on here some times that others practice, it doesn't work,we aren't stupid as some think, Obama and the extreme left included. I don't think that the D's should wait for a later date to come out firing at the R's, do it now,get the war room going,people have been paying attention for a while.

carol
hillary clinton didnt have a chanch....obama is the MSM candidate ,,,,,hes for change ....he sold the fact hillary voted for the war and the clintons were racist .....but he picks a VP who was a staunch supporter of the and has said many raicist remarks ....he gave a speech wanting to remove SADDAM......nows his support for the war is accepted ....obama says change ....yet his VP has been in washington 36 years...........he says change campaign reform and then renigs on that ....he was going to fillibuster FISA bill and then voted for it............how do people fall for this crap ????
the MSM and bloggers like craig thats how ....thanks for your support carol but i give up with the group of lefties on this blog

I for one and thrill at the possibility that after 8 years of a president who wasn't so smart we have an opportunity to be led by a man who is clearly intelligent.

Btw - if you think the MSM it picking the POTUS - I would like to differ with that opinion....I think it's the activity at ground level....granted I am in a swing state.....so there is a ton of action going on, by regular people, neighbors and other groups....I am seeing a ground swell....I hope I am right and I hope that all the hard work of the Obama volunteers pays off.

The Clintons are doing it the same way, speaking 2 to 3 times a day all over the country...MSM isn't even covering most of their appearances....but people are showing up
in high number to support Obama....

I have seen only 2 McCain stickers on cars, and two McCain Yard signs, Obama signs are due to arrive Oct 4th at the local HQ....Maybe it's because McCain people don't go out of their homes often, but I am just not seeing to many of them.....

Looks like the IQ level of the place just dropped dramatically, later folks

Jack

Before I make my way to work.

tz, No offense but you are not the Gov of a State with a lot of influence on State officials.

Of course tazering children is horrible. However, all that was finished in the courts before the Govenor took office. The Courts decided that Troopers fate.

So, going after the trooper to be fired, after the fact. removing his boss, because the boss decided it wasn't legal to do anything more to this officer....

Well lets call it what it could REALLY be. Abuse of Power. That is why the investigation is being conducted.

Now that investigation was happening before Palin accepted her VP nomination. She knew this was going to happen. So what is the horrible turn of events here?

What has the MSM done? Highlight what would have happened to any candidate?

ok, time to get going.

Pogo,

"Plus she lies about her experience. btw, I don't think Obama has a great deal more to offer on any of those fronts, but chosing between the two tickets, I'll take the dems."

Well to say she lied is fine, but I notice you didn't offer any proof to support that statement.

You'll back BHO because you are a Liberal Dem, no doubt a member of the ACLU, so you really have no other place to go. You must find the brilliant glare of BHO's inadequacies must be very blinding and very discouraging. Then having to accept a such a failed person only because he was hand lead to the front of the line by the DNC over HRC, and now heads your party's ticket. To bad, so sad.

BHO: Full time Community Organizer, part-time US Senator. LOL.

Tz,

If you find a better blog please let me know. I want to hear from both sides and from people who are knowledgable on the facts. I don't want to just hear from bullies on either side. This is the only place I have found that meets those standards.

Carol

Pogo

I agree, the Supreme Court, was a major consideration for me that changed my mind and will vote for Obama,but I will remain a registered Ind

LOL oh my. Fry....the nashing of teeth! have a wonderful day my friend!

If you go on you-tube you can see all kinds of idiots with tazers.... stupid is, as stupid does.

Jason

Wake up, and get every one up too,

ubns - I believe that it was 2 from a Dem Senate and 2 from a repug senate, but I'll have to do a little research to confirm that. You apparently suffer under the mistaken belief that the Senate judiciary committee actually exercises real oversight over the judicial nomination process that extends to ideology. It's a common misperception. In fact, its lack of meaningful oversight mirrors the lack of independence that the Dem leadership and members have shown in the face of the Bush presidency. Even with the exercise of oversight, would a Ted Olsen be rejected? I doubt it; he's an imminently qualified attorney, but he's a right wing ideologue. With a few notable exceptions - Bork for example, and about 5 other instances where appointments were signalled as dead on arrival for the USSCt if they came up - but they had already been put on the Circuit Courts of Appeal - the JC does not reject or fail to pass to the full senate a judicial nomination based on ideology.

How about the past of Obama? When is this going to be vetted in the same agressive style as Palin, and Palin is the VP !!

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 16, 2008 7:33 AM

Has the Powerpuff girl been even glossed over with a vetting? I doubt it...

The point is Barack Obama is extremely liberal in his views

Posted by Ping Pong...

"extremely liberal" I would take that you mean as a pejorative ? The old coot Reagan went on the attack to demonize liberals and the good liberals didn't react because they felt he had the right to his own opinion. Big mistake. But anyway, some good LIBERALS is what this country needs to get things back on track...

Why is this group so supportive of BHO? What do they know that is so enticing? Left, Left, Left, go farther to your Left.

http://www.zazzle.com/workers_for_obama_shirt-235848023343662318

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 16, 2008 8:02 AM

To piss you off???

Wow Alaska is like Important to Americans. What has Chicago turned out lately other then community organizers?

http://bellalu0.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/governor-sarah-palins-alaska-what-do-we-know-about-it/

What happens to the Media if Obama loses? What happens in the aftermath to those unabashed, in-the-tank apologists aka columnists, editorialists, commentators and so-called moderators? Besides becoming a discredited laughing-stock, many of the names and faces will just disappear, others demoted. Viewership and Ratings will fall. Readership decline will accelerate. Advertisers' dollars and buys will quickly and noticeably migrate to the other side. What will be slightly more interesting will be the test of the true commitment and courage of the biased punditry if/when His defeat becomes more probable. Will they hedge their bets? Will they actually turn against Him? Will they try to deny that they were ever in-the-tank? Will they prove themselves to be more like Obama than they can admit: Great Front-Runners who Fade Down the Stretch? They can run but they can't hide from their record, work and quotes!

Troopergate?

Just another coincidence by Team BHO and the MSM. Funny this was never a story before, and it isn't a story now, just an allegation, which the Liberals have been successful pushing to the front.

This trooper should have been fired, and if it took Sarah Palin to get what should have happen, so much the better. How many stories lately have there been reported where grown adults have died after being tasered? I know of at least 6. Typical Liberal BS, find a way to reward bad behavior. This trooper should have fired from his job for unlawful use of a deadly weapon, on a 10 year old "CHILD", and then he should have been prosecuted. And his boss should have been fired as well for being equally incompetent. To think that tasering a 10 year old child is not a firing offense is idiotic. Such typical Liberal BS, this is the only time you'll find Liberals supporting a police action.

Pallin always said the firing of Monaghan was policy and budget related. When you pick facts out of your ass you are bound to get some wrong.

McCain may have a credibility gap but not as large as the Obots who post here.

tz, I agree with you about that trooper. We have seen what out of control police can do and that guy's dangerous activities hit close to her home. Everything I have heard is that he was guilty of the things they reported and it is surprising that the chief did not fire him. None of that would even be tolerated in my little neck of the woods.

Carol

When you pick facts out of your ass you are bound to get some wrong.

Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 10:21 AM

Apparently you are speaking from personal experience???

pogo-

Is it unethical to consider ideology when passing a nominee through the JC to the full Senate or is it just spinelessness ?

FRY,

No one supports the abuse of a child. But you don't even know if it was true. The officer was absolved of the charges and was not held in contempt with the divorce.

The abuse of power suggestion was under investigation before Palin bacame the VP pick. So you cannot pin this on the Liberals. Your just going to have to hang in there.

Sorry, the investigation will continue and its up to Alaska to finish the "Abuse of Power" allegations.

Very serious charge.

With the polls shifting the way they have in last 2 weeks, I am scared that the avg. Am. voter is only looking at the outside package and the Republicans have a way (since Reagan) (and perfected with Rove) to influence the voter with the superficial stuff. How important is it that Palin "is wired" for big time politics, that she can shoot a gun like a man, that she can deliver a well-rehearsed speech with much flair. This, the voters relate to; rather than looking at her administrative decisions and policies as a small town mayor and Governor of a small populace state for ONE AND A HALF YEARS. This is just incredible to me. My thoughts on GWB when he ran for Pres. in 2000 was that he didn't have the background or experience to make the ultimate decisions demanded of a President of the United States of America. Look at the mess he has gotten us in IN EVERY REGARD. Palin will be one heart-beat away from being our national leader, which could happen in one or two years. Incredible. If American voters put McCain in -- I truly do believe that we are stupid; and I believed we were stupid back in 2000 and 2004. And IMO, I was right.

Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | September 16, 2008 10:22 AM

The personal experience of reading the asspickers who post here --

ET,
"To piss you off???"

Oh it doesn't piss me off that Communist support BHO, I sort of expected that. But I do think it will piss off real D's, who think Communists can be found at the bottom of Port-a-John. BHO's true ideology is found far to the Left of Liberal. All you have to do is stop listening to his empty rhetoric and read his own words.

They all lie....and perhaps, like you stated in your book, Craig, we can't handle the truth. It is the reason all of the ex-Presidents have white hair. Once they are in office, they are shown the real truth and it shocks them into white hair. Maybe McCain's has the advantage...his hair is white already. Maybe that is "why" he lies more. Hard to be the governement cheerleader when you know the truth. A lie is sometimes easier than the truth.

Keep talking about Sarah Palin who as governor can hire and fire at will. Plus she offered Monaghan another post which he turned down.

It is consistent with Pallin's pattern to fire a large number of people when she comes into an office.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145738

George Bush's daddy was in office and presided over the 1987 crash. The GOP wants everyone to believe that they know best about economic policy but they sure have a way of creating financial disaster.

When you pick facts out of your ass you are bound to get some wrong.

Damn ET, than that would make you an expert.

The wee ones keep nitpicking because they have no confidence in their ticket. Similar to the on going attacks on Clinton, it is easier to attack a straw argument.

My thoughts on GWB when he ran for Pres. in 2000 was that he didn't have the background or experience to make the ultimate decisions demanded of a President of the United States of America.

And you are telling me Bill Clinton did? LMAO. Arkansas? The only foreign policy experience Bill had was with the people who ran the Chinese Restaurant in Little Rock.

tz, like I said, there are good reasons that Sarah's ex bro-in-law could have been fired, That isn't the issue, though. The issue is whether Palin did anyting improper in firing him. the AK legislature is investigationg and she is not cooperating. Doesn't this have a familiar ring to it? At least Bush and his posse waited until after they got into office to refuse to cooperate in ivestigations.

UBNS, 3 of the 4 SCOTUS justices I mentioned were confirmed by a Rep. Senate, Thomas was the exception.

the wee ones, indeed. Loud mouthed wee ones.
obama chose biden: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can see we are still talking about Palin. Just like the great depression, a curly headed little girl, named, Shirley Temple took the American public's eye off of the economy ball. I watched the crowds for Palin yesterday....she makes people smile. She generates excitement. I also watched McCain's crowd during his speech and in particular one young girl who was so bored and yawning. McCain is lucky he found a perky girl to do the heavy lifting for him. She makes people smile and forget...really going to be tough to dismantle that.

When you pick facts out of your ass you are bound to get some wrong.

Damn ET, than that would make you an expert.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 16, 2008 10:33 AM

Is this the point where we both start chanting "I'm rubber, you're glue...???"

Sounds like your mommy withheld needed love.

At her news conference, Palin tried to separate the issue from lawmakers’ review of the TransCanada gas pipeline proposal under the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act.

“Lawmakers need at this point ... to be statesmen,” she said, “and to make sure that any kind of political distraction that some are trying to stir up to become a greater distraction does not get in the way of this life-changing, monumental, paramount decision that they must make.”

Ramras and French both said they had no trouble separating the two issues personally, but French suggested the firing could play into the gas line vote.

“I can compartmentalize the two,” he said, “but for people who might be looking for a reason to vote against AGIA, they can say this casts a cloud.”
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/jul/22/alaska-legislators-push-investigation-monegan-firi/

Facts not found in anyone's ass
Reporting on the investigation prior to Pallin being nominated.

FryDaddy...don't forget Bill's relationship Walmart and the entire China experience.

The only women's right that some women seem to be concerned with is, ABORTION.

What the SCOTUS would do with ABORTION is return it back to the states where it belongs. The issue of federal tax payer $$$ to help pay for ABORTION is a matter left up to Pennsylvania Ave. With a D controlled Congress that isn't going to change. Does Plan Parenthood should show a video of what an ABORTION looks like to all female considering this procedure?

I love John Hogue's 10:20 post. These media icons aren't fighting for their candidate--they're fighting for their careers. It will be very entertaining to watch which ones back pedal if McCain's numbers continue to rise.

I am at work now, so no continuous posting allowed. but just wanted to shout out to BLond Wino, who I really like.

I certainly hope that you and I can climb the fence and have a civil conversation over and above the rest here. ;0)

I know we are at odds with who we are voting for, but I for one don't have such sensitive emotions pined on my heart toward that.

Agree to disagree on that point?

Chef Sheila

Blonde wino,

LOL forgot Wal-Mart. God there was a whole list of Asian names associated with Bill before and after he was elected POTUS.

You know, Chef Sheila, I like you very much. I respect you and you know a lot about wine and food and I really respect that...and you are a woman, I really admire a woman chef.

I am still sitting on my hands...no longer going into my pockets to give money to any of the politicians. I am an observer who will most likely vote, but I do not like any of the candidates.

Still looking for those big Obama coattails and the landslide for the Democratic Party. It looks more like the downticket races may save Obot

Fair enough Wino.

Glad to know we are two united on the female front.

And Fry, you cherry pick so well. ;0) Yes Clinton has A LOT of aisan doners to his foundation. As a matter of fact, there are substantial amount of donations from Dubai and Saudi Arabia.

ubns - in my opinion it is ethical for each member of the SJC to consider any factor that a member of the judiciary committee believes will impact the ability of a justice to sit and make constitutionally sound decisions on the cases before the court.

Fry, at least Bill had a passport. Read Brooks - he would disagree with you.

sock drawer - Palin's pattern is based on what - 2 elections? Of course that wouldn't be a problem in the WH - can't fire civil service employees; everyone else is fair game.

RCP has refined their EC map pages - here's one showing shifts

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2008/electoral_count.html

btw, they now have O/B 20 EC votes (15 solid) behind M/P, with 104 still toss ups. The Sea change in voting we were told would occur in the red states is not panning out as promised. At this point that sea change is confined to 3 states - CO, NM & IA, and CO & NM are still considered tossups.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Women's right:

During the first 2 years of the Clinton Administration, Bill had both a D Senate and House. Liberal Lip Service ladies, you are all being given LLS by the party that cares so much for you.

Have they removed all the arrows and daggers from HRC's back inflicted by the every caring DNC?

pogo-

Thanks for researching the SCOTUS confirmation votes. So if we retain a Dem controlled JC, McCain, if elected would be unable to push through a conservative justice--Apparently a Dem controlled JC waved Thomas through but I think that was just to keep things from getting any more lurid (if they could)

I have the day off and maybe I will start building the Richard Wright memorial altar...really important to my musical life.

I leave you with a bit of Shirley....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1726102752676072655&q=%22good+ship+lollipop%22&total=55&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Still looking for those big Obama coattails and the landslide for the Democratic Party. It looks more like the downticket races may save Obot

Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 11:01 AM

Jack,

Some Obama supporters were entusiatic enough to yell Landslide with glee. However, the Obama campaign has always known, through its researchers that this would be an uphill climb. The reason they chose the fifty state strategy and highminded campaign.

Another reason why they have consistantly concentrated on the electoral votes and not the popular. The key to winning the Primary.

We know its going to be a squeaker. It always was. But the point is, Obama is still in the race and the bottom line has not been drawn.

I guess the economy is doing fine - if you measure it by the inflation rate - 5.4% over the past year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/business/economy/17econ.html?hp

At least consumer prices were down last month - tied to falling gas prices. What's happening to gas now? It's up 45 cents in the past week. Think those consumer prices will stay low? Think again.

“For the 11th month in a row weekly paychecks have lagged behind prices on a year-over-year basis, this time by 2.5 percent,” he said, referring to the Bureau of Labor Statistics earnings report, also released Tuesday. “That’s a big decline in workers’ buying power.”

All the repug mouthpieces wonder why people can't see how great the economy is. That may explain it even to them.

US inflation fall paves way for interest rate cut

The Fed will consider reducing interest rates later today to help relieve some of the stress on financial markets
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* Ashley Seager
* guardian.co.uk,
* Tuesday September 16 2008 15:05 BST
* Article history

US inflation fell for the first time in two years last month thanks to falling oil prices, something which analysts said could enable the US Federal Reserve to cut interest rates this evening in response to the global market turmoil.

US consumer prices dropped 0.1% in August from July, pulling the annual inflation rate down to 5.4% from 5.6% the month before.

The Fed is thought likely to respond to the stress in money markets today in the wake of the collapse of Lehman Brothers bank by cutting its key interest rate by a quarter-point to just 1.75%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/16/usa.marketturmoil/print

ubns - in theory McCain wouldn't be able to push an ideologue through - but you are right, his dad pushed Thomas through, and he was the last opportunity a Dem JC had to try and block a nominee. And with what came out about him (of course it was he said/she said) they could have voted no without too much blowback. No Pres worth his salt would make such a mistake again.

Pogo

Paychecks? Those are the next to go...unemployment will skyrocket...I am still waiting for the call from the census to track all of the self-employed peeps out of work. Add those to the loss of the hourly and salaried job losses....retail is the next industry to go reeling.

And after yesterday, I can no longer vote for a repug than an inexperienced leader. How are we going to get to the gates of hell if no one knows the way?

sock - apparently no one at the fed buys gas.

Craig, please explain and/or help me understand how a Representative or Senator can vote for/against the President when Congress makes and votes for laws that get sent to the President, not the other way around? How do they decide these percentages? Do those percentages count all votes or only those that get sent to the President?

Blondie, so true. My mom would say just follow the good intentions - they pave the road to hell.

It's amazing

If this am's conversation is any indication of what the left wing of the D's are talking about---------YOU LOST. they throw out attractive looking people with just a few, (as little as possible) talking points, and all you can do is attack a 10 year old child,yes thats what it sounds like to people that doesn't think their s------don't stink,knowing full well that if was your ten yr old you would want the trooper tassed until his b-----ls dropped off, it does not matter if she lying about this, move on.

Rove loves you silly people that attack their candidates I Q.
they are smart to the general public----they think they had to be to get this far, you attack their age, Reagan, now Mc. what I think remarkable about mcain this election is when all the media had wrote him off--only a miracle could save him it was no f---miracle his persistance is what i remember,it took courage to pick up his own luggage at the airport,remember that picture????? That is what you are up against, and all the people behind the pretty face---legs too I might add.

"A LOT of aisan doners."

Well that would be 'Asian' wouldn't it. And yes how many were involved in money laundering. :-O

Bill had a passport as he spent time at Oxford and then went on a trip to Russia. Went to Russia during the Vietnam war and who did we find in Vietnam serving as advisors to the North Vietnamese, Russians. Oh well couldn't expect to know that then.

"Palin's pattern is based on what - 2 elections?"

And BHO's?

I love it, they keep on comparing Sarah Palin's experiences to that of the Do Nothing, No Nothing (ET as in EMPTY SUIT) known as BHO. Keep on doing it. LOL Like I said before, I am praying they keep on smearing, maligning, ridiculing her.

John Hogue - Craig can correct me if I'm wrong, but the Admin supports bills, doesn't support a bill or takes no position - the percentages are based on whther the rep/Den votes consistently with the position the Admin takes on a bill - presumably omitting those it takes no position on. Remember - the budget, which is the source of a huge number of big votes, originates in the Admin.

doesn't support = opposes

Hey Craig.

Could proved us with a 10 minute warning before starting a "NEW THREAD"

Is penny prtizer still the Obama finance chair? She was one of the original bankers in the sub prime mess....

Thanks, pogo. So, how do they determine the Liberal ranking for Obama, Biden/ Is there a Conservative rating?

Thanks pogo, the good intentions are like neon sign posts highlighting the way...

I wonder if bad intentions pave the road to heaven?

At least Clinton had been out of the country, and I'd bet that a bit of reseach would reveal that he took trips as governor to stimulate trade deals - probably to China considering that the biggest retailer in the US was in his state and was beginning to purchase goods there. And lots of students went to Russia when the USSR was still our cold war enemy - BFD - I had a couple of friends who did, and to my knowledge, they didn't support the USSR or become communists as a result. And Nixon went to China. You can't criticize those actions without just tarring Clinton with innuendo. Fact is, Clinton is not running for President, Vice President or any other office, but Palin is, and she don't know sh*t.

Solar Crete,

Your right about McCain. He is persistant and its a great talent, his tenacity.

But my friend, this is politics. he is gong to through out the worst in his opponent and so is the other side.

But, I do take exception to what has been spoken this morning about the tazering. No one worth their weigh in humanity would want a child hurt and we have not said that this morning.

But what I have pointed out is that the Divorce hearing and everything about that incident was decided about two years ago.

The investigation is about whether of not the Governor misused her office to get the guy fired. Clear and simple.

Said investigation was not started because she is now on the Republican ticket. Pure and simple.

No one ever said anything with glee about tazering a child. I would say, pplease turn down your emotions and read what was really written

AND actually what is being talked about is the Economy.

There was a young man who said, "though it
it seems that I know that I know,
What I would like to see
is the 'I' that knows 'me' When I know that I know that I know"

All the repug mouthpieces wonder why people can't see how great the economy is.

Well when you have to get most of your energy from other countries, when you can't use the natural resources which are found in abundance off the our shore and within the country, when food grain becomes consumed to make ethanol all that does is jacks up the cost of all food products. Yet the underpinnings of our economy are sound. With all of the blather about Lehman Brothers, and today AIG, you would think of another traumatic down day, yet the market is up. If the economy was as bad as some would have you believe the DOW would be down around 8,000 and there be food lines. Anyone looking to buy a home the time couldn't be better, all you have to do is qualify.

FACTCHECK.ORG
School Funding Misleads

An Obama ad plays fast and loose with McCain's voting record on education and proposals as a presidential candidate.
By Justin Bank | factcheck.org
Sep 11, 2008 | Updated: 3:56 p.m. ET Sep 11, 2008

That highhorse must be a miniature

John, I've seen those things, but don't know a lot about them. What I've seen is Conservative think tanks labelling Dems liberal to this or that degree and vice versa. I do think that there is an org out there that claims to be non partisan that produces a libera/conservative legislative scorecard, but I'm not sure who it is. Maybe Congressional Quarterly??:-)

Fry My Friend.

(Sheila says with full out happiness) Its just great to notice that you are back to being the real Frydaddy! I missed him for the last year! Welcome back buddy!

John, this might help.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/16/Obama-lefty/

Gibson-Palin interview what ABC left on the cutting room floor.

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

John, btw, that link was also published in CQ :-)

Actually, Fry, the market is up and down - right now it's down 20, having been up about 40 and down about the same. I expect a fairly calm day on wall street in anticipationof the Fed dropping its benchmark rate.

It's that qualification to buy a home thing that is part of the nut of the current home sector problem - criteria are tighter, so while rates are low, there isn't as much money out there, so mortgages aren't being written at a sufficient clip to shore up the housing market. I could qualify if I wanted to buy, but I don't need to do that - I have a house. It's that group that is trying to get in to the market, whose paychecks aren't increasing and who don't have a mortgage credit history, who will find it tough going. Your view of the fundamentals is probably not totally wrong, but that isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking perceptions of the wage earners - they don't care about the economy's fundamentals, they care about seeing their purchasing power shrink and their ability to move up the economic ladder stall. That's what McCain and Bush don't seem to understand - supposedly sound fundamentals don't trump personal experience. And when buying gas is a stretch, a new home doesn't seem possible and the ehadlines are reflecting instability in some of the big names in the investment banking and insurance world, it's hard to believe that the fundamentals are as sound as the republicans claim.

And now, lunch.

Threadilicious

Today's parable is about Old Mother Hubbard

When your cupboard is empty
Fill It Up!

pogo,

According to the always correct jamie, 80% of Americans don't have a passport

Liberals now touting the virtues of Wal-Mart. LMAO.Such hypocrites.

damn pogo have you been drinking this morning, or just typing to fast? Did you actually read your 11:40 post. And Nixon went to China. Duh, yeah he was POTUS.

On Monday's "Anderson Cooper 360," after CNN senior political analyst David Gergen said "what happened over the weekend with the economy and the bottom falling out of the financial markets...is the opportunity for Obama to seize the momentum back on his side," Crowley actually said, "[J]ust as foreclosures were showing up on B-17, or in the real estate section, along comes this horrific headline out of Wall Street...I mean, this is what they wanted."

They being Team BHO.

FD

"BHO is dumb, not stupid so you'll not hear him praising a Communist Radical, such as Community Organizer Alinsky, as that would not prove very beneficial. But that doesn't mean BHO doesn't believe in Alinsky's ideology. Of the two, it is the ideology hiding behind the spoken words which is the driving force. "

It also doesn't mean that a communist can't have a good idea. This right wing habit of making ALL communists the EVIL EMPIRE that had us all curled up in fetal balls under our desks in the 50s while McCarthy indulged in ruining lives between drunken ravings is just plain stupid. You can deplore Communism as a political system while still appreciating some of the good points as they relate to improving the living conditions for the impoverished.

"It also doesn't mean that a communist can't have a good idea"

A libertarian can also have a good idea, I just don't want either in charge. Both tend to forget the human element in governing

Jack

Hey Craig.

Could proved us with a 10 minute warning before starting a "NEW THREAD"

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 16, 2008 11:29 AM

Why? Are you afraid of losing your audience? Pontification can be ever so tiring.

communist can't have a good idea.

Tell the Cuban people that

I know lots of Cubans who say that the US's intervention in Cuba is what has made their lives miserable, not Castro.

"which of course hints at the Keating 5."

lol

That is so insider. for most Americans It is "Keating What?"

Jack

FD

Don't forget that Bill was President of the National Governor's Organization that does have a major international presence for trade in the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Governors_Association

Tom

Castro is a thuggish dictator just like the thuggish dictator he followed. Just like the thuggish dictator that will follow him. It seems to be the way.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145888

Are you saying that you believe Obama is a Communist?

The cubans also have Elian.

Tz,
I'm in full agreement with your comment above:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145767
If you find a non-partisan site let me know. You might try http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ the commenters there are as passionate about doing the right thing as your comment appears. As a lifelong Democrat I cannot reward the Democratic Party for their VILE behavior in stealing the nomination.

It means what it says.
No Obama mentioned in the post, just your defense of communism. Unlike some on this blog I'm not "Obama all the time".

Jack

Tom

Castro is a thuggish dictator just like the thuggish dictator he followed. Just like the thuggish dictator that will follow him. It seems to be the way.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack | September 16, 2008 12:37 PM

Yes Jack, i agree, but the USA has played "thuggish dictator" around the world, closing their eyes to repressive regimes that were/are friendly to the "strategic needs" of the United States and criticizing other countries that didn't hold importance to us or were hostile to our goals and ideas. It's a two way street.

And the fact is, the quality of life in Cuba is amazingly good given the economic and cultural embargo placed on it by the United States of America.

"What's it matter if it's green or red?
The yankee dollar or the commie threat,
when the real POWER in the REAL world
is gonna deny it all anyway..."

-Buffy Sainte Marie written for General Secord after he did the right thing and told the truth in the Iran Contra hearings.

FryDaddy,

If the commies are so bad, why are so many analysts on Wall Street saying that the Chinese are more capitalist than the US?

btw the last comment was directed to Jamie
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145898

and should have included this emoticon , :-)

Jack

EuroTom,

What is the difference between Francois Duvalier and Fidel Castro?

Bear

The cattle prod to the testicles hurt less

Jack

I like Obama's speech....he needs to keep this up. Music to my ears, more music for the game of economic musical chairs. We can keep going.

My advice to Obama is quit talking about Palin, stop your surrogates from talking about Palin. BONBC needs to focus on the economy, not Palin. Send the Palins back to the sunset...whoops its the land of midnight sun. Tricky election.

Oh please jamie list all the virtues of Communism, and how well they have worked. tell me jamie if a system of government is so good, then why just about every county abandoned Communist. You like to tout yourself a liberal moderate, but you are and have been a far Leftist ever since I have been here which is now 3 years. Communism is for the lazy, those can't think for themselves, where gov't supplies them every answer. People like you piss me off, not because you ooze weakness, because all you do is bitch how bad it is, how bad capitalism is, but you still live here. Why not put your words into action and move yourself to Cuba, N Korea. I am sure they'll love having another freeloader to share in the gov't handouts. But you'll never do that, because it would mean turning over all your freedoms to the state. Here where your paranoia tells you the gov't is listening into your your phone calls, there if you are lucky to even have a phone, you can be sure they are listening into your conversations. Silly girl.

With all this talk about the economy has anyone suggested that we the people should take some of the blame for the problem. Not likely to happened but I believe it is true but not PC to say.

I am not an economist and this is just my opinion. Our country is in such a financial mess today and it hasn't happened overnight. Everyone seems to be spending money like they are sure the end of the world is coming and they won't have to pay off their debts. I have even thought that maybe our government may be going on that same philosophy at least since GWB..

I am not sure when this trend started but I have certainly seen it in the last several years. We are all greedy.

i know a lot of young people with very modest incomes who are buying houses that I wouldn't be comfortable buying with over twice as much income. They have all the best toys and pay for help with yardwork and house cleaning. They have multiple credit cards maxed out and they keep getting more credit card applications. It just blows my mind. It will take a major crisis to stop these practices.

I have patients who recieve meager welfare or disability income, food stamps, medicaid but still find way to pay for nice TVs, cable and cell phones.

I make good money and worry that I am a little too frivilous with some of my expenditures even though I have everything paid off except for monthly bills.. Since I am closing in on retirement I try to save enough to be able to have a decent life in my older years.

Not only are these hard financial times not decreasing many peoples expenditures but it also does not seem to be decreasing the political contributions coming in. Maybe they are using credit cards for that also.

Just a little fly in the ointment.
Carol

Quote from Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

Jack,

Again with the rib splitting humor...wtf?!? lol

The correct answer is that Duvalier was a dictator who stayed on our payroll by always threatening to go communist

While Castro was the communist we couldn't get on our payroll. For those of you what if people out there, think of what could have happened had he gotten the tryout he wanted with the Yankees...

chef Sheila

Too many problems to resolve daily, for me to get emotional about what is written here on this blog, I never had a bad feeling in my life about the person that I voted for, now that I will vote for Obama, I know that i will if he loses, but just in case that you are right,i'm going to start selecting what post to read and those not to read, without any emotions at all. Have to go and get Tom Miginty my next door neighbor and take him to the barbers for a hair cut.He is a general contractor that build my house,he is 93 yrs old and will be gone in about 6 months,-------This is emotional for me, he is a life long Dem,vots straight dem down the ticket voter, but I love him anyway.

Has anyone seen this ?

http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies

"If the commies are so bad, why are so many analysts on Wall Street saying that the Chinese are more capitalist than the US?'

Bear did your parents... oh never mind.

Bear re-read your post. But I'll give you a hint, the Chinese have abandoned their true Communist way. The days of Mao are over. China has seen the light of capitalism. China is making $$$$ and the people of China are making $$$$. Something not known during Mao. At that time your very existence came from the state. There is no comparison between the China of today and Mao's China.

Carol, since you wrote "I make good money..." would you like to adopt me?

How can you tell if BHO is lying?

When his lips move.

Soar Crete,

That is so kind of you! A great way to aide in his dignity. May his days be filled with nothing but good thoughts from now until the end. May he have nothing but comfort and no pain. May he pass in his sleep with a great dream.

Animal

Are you a good handyman or woman? I am recovering from surgery, not doing very well, and my house and yard are a mess. Just took a side hit from Ike. I need help and guess I will have to shell out some of my saving to get it.

Carol

Buffy Sainte Marie

I remediable buying some of her LPs during the early 60's. Wonder what she did with all those Yankee $$$

Bear
FD is right

China has just become a thuggish dictator. Wallstreet loves thuggish dictators.

Bear
Now that you mention, Papa Doc, it occurrs to me that he and Chaves have more in common than Chaves and Castro.

Both used their populist anti US posturing to keep the attention on how corrupt they are.
Not that Chaves would make a pimple on the butt of Papa doc when it comes to being a thuggish dictator.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145897

Now Jack. The thuggish dictator that preceded Castro was OUR thuggish dictator. That's why we were so upset at Castro that we wouldn't help him when he asked for it before turning to the Russians. Who's to say that the thuggish dictator that follows him won't be one of our thuggish dictators as well?

That's the way it goes in the world. Sadam was ours before he wasn't, Osama was ours before he wasn't. You just need a card to keep the geopolitical players straight.

Blonde wino,

"My advice to Obama is quit talking about Palin, stop your surrogates from talking about Palin. BONBC needs to focus on the economy, not Palin."

2 things. BHO doesn't have plan for the economy, if he did he would have expounded on it yesterday when the markets were down, he didn't. Also BHO goobers can't stop talking about Sarah Palin, they are like drug addicts it is what feeds their addiction, also if they didn't talk about her they wouldn't have anything to say.

Jamie

ain't it the truth.
You need a score card and I haven't even got a pencil.

Don't you hate it when your thuggish dictator won't stay bought. That is why we have the "Bush doctrine" Replace those nasty dictators and replace them with democracies. Then we can have a democracy love fest.

Jack

China has just become a thuggish dictator

No they have always been a thuggish dictator.

Mao was no choirboy when it came to ruling with a iron hand.

Obama rolls out new faith based merchandize:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/godometer/2008/09/obama-rolls-out-new-line-of-fa.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145935

FD

They used to be a communist thuggish dictator, now they are just a commonish thuggish dictator.

Jack

Carol, yes to your question about handyman. If you're willing to pay travel from DC I'm your man. Since you mention Ike, I assume you're in Texas or thereabouts. Sad to hear about your health issues--my hopes for a full recovery.

Do you think that Charlie Gibson knew there were 4 Bush Doctrines? I don't think he did as he only sighted one.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145938

It is such comments that make me fear for this nation.

Should they also provide fine linen and a properly trained wait staff?

Jack

AC

The God-O-Meter is a creation of Beliefnet.org not Obama. Here is today's page showing the rating of both PResidential candidates

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godometer/

Should they also provide fine linen and a properly trained wait staff?

Jack

no, but they do need a way to cook it, dummy.

Time for lunch.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145942

No wait staff, but they should pile up the splintered houses for ease of fuel collection for bon fires. The pots and pans probably survived the hurricane. Of course, the polluted water will need to be boiled and distilled. No problem with the salt as the ocean is write there and just needs to be sifted from the sand.

Hot dogs on a stick might be a little more practical.

Viv

Don't ask any MD if juicing is good for you, go get a Jack Lalanne Juicer or any one that's available to you. If the following doesn't work for you I'll buy it from you-it's natural so it can't possibly hurt you. If you can------3-4 months you will feel a lot better.

4-5 carrots, 1 apple, small slice of beet, take every day if possible,if not every other day, I used to put in bone building veggies also.

I get my fruit and veg, from CostCo, they sell them in bulk, if you don't have one,get a book about juicing. I have disk problems of my own, been juicing for 3 years and down to only one med.Gabapentin that is a must for me but I feel good most of the time, you know what they say about an apple a day, and a cpl shots of tequila won't hurt, but watch it it's also an aphrodisiac if you over do them,ha but maybe that's just what the doctor ordered huh. good luck

Brain wave

is write there = right there.

add it to the collection of sight and cite showing up today.

"no, but they do need a way to cook it, dummy."

Yes, and only a real idiot couldn't find a way to cook it.

Jack

Fry, I did read my 11:40; in fact I actually read it as I typed it - the point, and I'll type slowly so you don't miss it this time, is that travelling to a foreign country, even if it is our enemy, does not mean that the traveller supports that country, its leaders or its political system, and that is what you were disingenuously suggesting about Clinton and his visit to Russia. Nixon went to China to open up communication with our enemy - a bit more substantive than a student trip. And 80% of Americans are not running for VP, are they? So what the hell does that have to do with Palin not having one? She is. And the pipeline is a business deal with companies in one of our best friends and neighbors. Hardly the stuff of challenging international relations in a tense world. Point is, when it comes to foreign policy, foreign travel, foreign anything, she's less than empty. Hell I doubt she even went to the Chinese restaurant in Juneau.

No one was touting the virtues of WalMart - fact, it is the largest retailer in the world - fact, it is based in Arkansas - fact, it was developing China as a supplier when Clinton was governor - fact, Clinton went to China as governor (beginning around 1985) to develop trade ties with China. That's not touting virtues, that's just the facts.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145887

And it doesn't mean he supports Alinsky, either, Fry. And you don't have a scintilla of evidence to offer to suggest that he does, but continue to paint with your broad brush.

Jamie wanna bet there are a lot of BBQ grills around to use as a stove?

I've been without power for over a week. I cooked everyday.
Water is the problem, but I imagine that is being taken care of.

Jack

countryboy can survive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iFCACmUtEw

pogo, thanks for the link to the article about congressional voting records. It answered most of my questions about what and how, even why.

Separately and editorially, I don't recall offhand where the promotion and linking of a candidate to these voting records and percentages were decisive in their own rights on the outcome of a contest. Maybe, if part of a larger narrative. I am less certain now then months ago of the actual effectiveness of linking McCain to Bush versus the theoretical common sense of it. I know Obama hopes that it works because that is ultimately where all of His "Change" eggs have been placed.

KC, thanks for that link to McCains lies - it bears reposting

http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies

Fry, what's that they say about people - well, their supporters and apologists - who live in glass houses?

Viv, solar's recommendation about the LaLanne juicer is a good one - we have one, and the cleanup is the only drawback The juice you can turn out with it is incredibly good. It ain't cheap, but it is good.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Weird looking EC map Penn tied VA tied, Washington and Minnesota is in play.

Jack

Jack,

Duvalier was never anti US in public. He only did so in private if they were going to hold his human rights record against him. They way he stayed in power was to say that if the US cut him off, he would go to the USSR for backing.

Actually, Washington State has been on a thin margion since the end of the Primaries. Its not a tossup state yet, but its going to be a squeaker.

I am amazed Kemp has been pulled out for this……I actually like Kemp, but talk about dusting off the ancient…..he’s last century’s politics.

Here's a link that should be of interest to some-
Want To Fix The Broken Democratic Party?
http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2008/09/want-to-fix-the-broken-democratic-party-steps-you-can-take-now.html

Bear

I'll take your word on Duvalier, it has been a while since I've paid much attention to it. Some days I think I've reached saturation point for my brain. So if I put in a new fact, an old one gets removed. Thank god for google. It can be the memory I never had and just as messy ;-0

Jack

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/polling-faq.html#cell

from the same site Jack posted, this issue of cell phones and the growing number of homes without landlines....and how this effect polling -

- we ditched our land lines this past year, every family member has a cell and computer, no one wanted to answer the phone anyway...lol....they call out "it's not for me!"... kind of like -"not it!"

Jack,

We have a sterno stove, a BBQ, all sorts of camping supplies, and five gallon jugs of water with a hand pump etc. For a simple power outage, even one that lasts for weeks, we come under the heading of pretty well prepared for eveything execept the house falling down.

Guess what - Their houses fell down. Now I'm sure that there are all sorts of generous folk in there trying to help. I just think that whoever is running FEMA just might have enough forethought to consider how you feed people when none of the facilites for providing food exists.

viv

forgot if you don't like the taste of warm fruit-veg,pour the contents over crushed,do not eat anything for about 15-20 minutes, this way the juice will be absorbed by the whole body a lot better.

Pogo what about the tequila as an aphrodisiac for viv?

No kidding Jamie,
Can you even imagine having everything you owned blown away except the clothes on your back.....and being handed a bag of uncooked rice?

John, on two issues, McCain and Bush are virtually inseparable - the philosphy and conduct of the War on Terror (including Iraq, although we made it part of that war) and the approach to the economy - tax breaks to the folks in the upper income groups and to corporations, and focus on privatizing the general welfare functions of the government.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145969

UB - Same here. Even more important, that is three generations in the same household, none of whom use a land line. That means pollsters are missing voting blocs.

I don't know what percentage of households now fall into the no land line category, but I do know that it is growing by leaps and bournds.

Sheila, I think that Kemp has been in the McCain plans for a while - Hannity has had him on a few times in the past couple of months, and I'm guessing here, but I'm guessing it is in concert with the campaign.

Solar, the tequila works for me - of course I don't generally mix it with anything from the juicer - I find that mixing it only with a little lime and my own digestive juices works just fine, thank you very much.

Does Gallup call cell phones?

We receive a lot of questions about cell phones and their implications for survey research. The short answer to the questions: Gallup includes cell phones in each and every national Gallup Poll survey. Contrary to what appears to be conventional wisdom, those Americans who only have cell phones are not excluded from Gallup Poll national samples.

It is surprising to find that many observers assume that the survey research industry isn't aware of the fact that increasing numbers of Americans are using cell phones in addition to, or in lieu of, traditional landline phones.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110383/Does-Gallup-call-cell-phones.aspx

I have some clients and family in the huricane area...while their homes survived, they've been told no power for at least a month.

FEMA is getting poor grades because without the glare of convention TV cameras, they were surprisingly unprepared for the damage and the stupidity of many who defied evacuation orders to leave.

http://people-press.org/report/391/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145963

Sheila, One thing I found interesting is that Gregoire's commercials identify her as be a Democrat. Rossi's commercials use "G O P". It is an attempt to fool people who might not know better that he isn't a Republican. Now there is a politician you can trust for openess and honor.

Of course Rove said Obama's ads were even more misleading than McCain's, but the Obama brownshirts conveniently don't mention that, because they're liars, too.

Let's not forget they spent the last 7 years characterizing Rove as the embodiment of evil, now they use him to substantiate their arguments. So much for integrity.

Just read Craig's post.

Sounds a lot like the St Pete Times editorial of a couple of days ago:
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article808444.ece

I think Mr Obama and his surrogates are getting a major pass.

People like you piss me off, not because you ooze weakness, because all you do is bitch how bad it is, how bad capitalism is, but you still live here.

Posted by FryDaddy

You sir, are nothing more than a talking parrot, parroting everything the right wing "America, Love it or Leave It" set likes to say whenever someone disagrees with them or criticizes America. Such loaded words as yours has been used in every social and people's movement in our country -- the civil rights movement, feminism, integration, economic democracy, educational reform, freedom of speech, questioning authority, demanding that all peoples are cared for, not just the rich or super rich. People like you are the reason why James Baldwin wrote in his autobiographical Notes:

"I love America more than any other country in the world, and, EXACTLY FOR THAT REASON, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually".

And Fry, your attack on Jamie was like a school yard bully attack. You should apologize to her. If you haven't liked what she has written the past 3 years, well too bad for YOU. I haven't been her that long and I think your nickname should be changed from FRY DADDY to HORSE'S ASS...

So why do you... GROW A PAIR?

How dare you, Flatus! Craig doesn't vote, therefore he MUST be impartial!

Time for lunch.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 16, 2008 1:32 PM

Get a food taster.

Is it a national trend that political yard signs omit the party affiliation of the candidate?

I won't fault FEMA too much on this one - in the US we have better, quicker access to power, etc,. than in a lot of the coutries we provide aid to, even following a disaster such as Ike or Katrina. Still MREs or some other ready to eat food would seem like a much more logical, albeit incredibly more expensive, choice for in kind food aid just following such an event. The power is coming back on in many places in and around Houston - but certainly the story is different in Galveston.

Jamie, I did notice the "GOP" rather than Republican Candidate with Rossi. I had to chuckle with that one. He is afraid. He is very afraid and that one act lead me to believe that he is also ashamed....

Was pleased to see Hillary discussing things with Diane Sawyer on a train by Niagara Falls this morning..so articulate and knowledgeable..paricularly compared to Obama/McCain/Palin.

"According to the always correct jamie..."

Posted by FD...

Pot, Kettle, Repug...

Tell us Fry Daddy, what exactly is it that you REALLY do? You were protecting two Presidents and in a war or two. Big deal. You seem to know everything about everything... a legend in your own mind, but pray tell, what the hell is it you actually DO?

With a nickname like Fry Daddy I would expect you to be an executioner on death row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Ronald_Reagan

Posted by: Viv | September 16, 2008 2:50 PM

I'm right with you on that history Viv... When I was attending Seattle Central Community College, I started letter writing campaigns to ask Congress not to do these draconian cuts in Pell Grants and financial aid. We went as a Student Government delegation to Washington DC and talked with our Reps and delivered our letters. Our first visit was to Congressman Sid Morrison, Republican. I thought for sure he'd be unsympathetic, but I have to hand it to the guy he was really on our side. The best response was from former Congressman and former Washington State Governor Mike Lowry. He called the crazy right wingers just what they were and said there would be no way these cuts would go through. Of course some cuts did go through, but not in the extreme like the Reagan Admin wanted.

Bear, the Houston Chronicle is a great source of info about Ike's aftermath - for instance there's an interactive map showing where power has been rturned. I'm not sure it extends its coverage to the coast yet - so far most of the bubbles are inside the Houston loops.

"How dare you, Flatus! Craig doesn't vote, therefore he MUST be impartial! " champ@2:52 p.m.

And I'm a declared independent. Our credentials are impeccable.

When Rita hit us in SW La. three years ago we had a fairly quick response from the government. But it was about seven days after the storm before I could get out of my place of employment to notice it. The government's poor response to Katrina helped us affected by Rita. It will take at least a week before all the help can arrive.

I did go out a few days after Rita to stand in long lines for some first aid supplies at Sam' s club for the jail's medical department. They had to escort of few people at a time into the store. Our medical department wasn't really prepared for the first aid supplies we would need. I was one of the few medical professionals left in the community.

I waited in long gas lines for hours just to get close and then they were out of gas. They were only giving $15 of gas per person. You wasted that much waiting in line. The heat was horrible. At least we are now having a mild cool front now.

For weeks the highlight of my day was waiting in long lines to see what prize package I would get at the end of the food, ice and water line. We got foods that could be eaten cold. It was pretty decent. I didn't get any rice. The religious organizations did the best job even though the National guard were handing it out.

The population of my town is only 100,000 so I bet it is a real mess trying to take care of everyone in Houston.
I am so thankful we mostly missed Ike. I am not sure I can go through this worry every summer. Before Rita we had not had a hurricane since 1957. We didn't have a clue.

Trying to prepare for the last storm is part of the cause of my medical problems now.

As far as preparing before the storm, for one thing the food you need usually isn't something you would want to eat except in an emergency and two when you get time to get to the store all that food has been cleaned out.

Even though we mostly missed both storms that threatened my town this year I ended up losing a lot of money because I had to empty my freezers and I had no where to put it. Nice stuff like steaks and baby backs, sniff, sniff. Nothing will cover that loss since we don't qualify for insurance to cover it.

One complaint I have with the government is that they wasted a lot of our tax dollars with the road home money. The people that really needed it often didn't get it and the people that had already profited from their insurance got money they used for toys. Isn't that irironic.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-credibility-gap.html#comment-145994

Of course if the relief efforts in Houston and Galveston were getting anything like the coverage Katrina got, I might be finding more fault with FEMA. Fact is, I see more about Obama and MaCain (actually Palin) than I do about the hurricane area.

NEW THREAD

"The crisis that has seized Wall Street over the last few days caught the campaigns of both Barack Obama and John McCain flat-footed.

Neither man, as we wrote yesterday, has a demonstrated expertise on the issue and national polling shows that voters aren't sure whether Obama or McCain would do a better job in managing the economy as president.

So, with both campaigns scrambling to win the issue over the next few days, The Fix solicited the opinions of a handful of Republican and Democratic strategists, asking them what specifically they would advise their party's candidate to do in the short term to stake their claim to this critical issue."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/handling_the_economic_crisis_1.html?nav=rss_blog

The Fix offers its recommendations for each campaign.

When my property and house flooded, FEMA came house to house to write out damage claims and get people immediate aid. The Red Cross and others set up central locations were food, clothes etc were available.

The County moved quickly to get a lot of dumpsters in the area so clean up could begin.

The biggest problems were lack of information and getting the right information to people without power etc.

Damn,
I forgot where I was reading last night (a link posted here) that these Palinistas put H. Christian to shame for their rabid attacks on the media. lol

Here's a link that could be appropo in the near future:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew

The fed - between a rock and a hard place. Benchmark rate remains unchanged.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/business/economy/17fed.html?hp

Pogo, DirecTV channel 361 has had Houston local TV (the CBS affiliate) on 24-hours a day giving area-wide coverage. I haven't watched today, but up through yesterday it appeared to this outsider that they were doing a decent job of reporting.

According to the National Health Interview Survey, by the end of 2007, one in every six American households (15.8 percent) had wireless telephones only.

http://www.conntact.com/article_page.lasso?id=42273

I am sure it is higher now

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I thought cell phone polling could only be done manually with the number already provided..and that automatic dialing of cell phones was illegal...

Back to chauffeuring.

NEW THREAD

The manner in which a campaign is run gives people the idea of how the candidates of such campaign will run the country if they are elected.

The McCain Palin combo has established in less than three weeks an alarming pattern of lies. If they are elected, they can be worse than Bush and their victory based on lies will convince them even more that the way to achieve their goals is by lying more to the American people.

The lipstick ad and their support of it, especially on the View show, shows a very clear model of how McCain and Palin distort the truth and rewrite the facts of history to accomplish their political goals.

Lying is anti-family, unpatriotic, anti-Christian, anti-God and pro-Satan, who according to the Scriptures, is the father of lies. It is written: "Your sin shall find you out.” Just watch.

mccain says he'll appoint a "9/11 commission". Hmmm. 7 years after 9/11 and many of the "9/11 commission's" suggestions are still in the planning stages.

Too bad Ken Lay and Charles Keating aren't around to staff that commission. I guess mccain will have to settle for neil bush and jack abramov.