Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Craig: Yes he seems to have done that w/Palin .. even though they say "change" , I kept thinking he was tryng for that title of old ... "Maverick" .. again ... got an email from a friend .. it had both BO & Palin's facts ... shows you who has the real experience ... BO lost ...

Vivian

If John McCain is elected, he will probably be a 1 term president. Therefore, he doesn't have to kiss any butt. I see Obama as a Washington outsider who desperately wants to be an insider and will do anything to please the inner circle(media,K Street, congressional leaders). McCain and Palin are more likely to be the "agents of change."

This wall street journal article has a different perspective. McCain has "odd fans". His jailers at the Hanoi Hilton say they endorse McCain as they know and trust him and Vietnam needs a strong America.
An interesting read.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122127000539031163.html?mod=hpp_us_pageone

Chloe: missed you yesterday. Hope all is ok in Houston. I suspect you had to evacuate. Take care

Julie

Strangly McCain looks so much better since he hooked up with Palin. Even physically he seems a new man. Saw him on" The View "yesterday and actually was pulling for him against those obnoxious women. Hope all of you in the storm way are okay.

ABC's 20/20 show last night had Sarah Palin trying to show that McCain and she are for changing things in Washington. She ticked off 3 things. The media sure are not letting up on her, in fact Charlie looked so grim and unsmiling in that first video, it was clear to see he did not particularly like her or so it appeared. She has an 80% approval ratings as a governor. Cannot help but feel that she will just continue to make McCain stronger.. thought they had a rally in New Mexico today but it does not show on website. They are to be in Ohio on Tuesday. Now that can be interesting. See if the crowds increase or decrease. If her interview hurt or helped.
Julie

Is this the McInsane for President crowd?

ET--

I think many people are anti-Obama and anti-media rather than pro McCain. He's the default candidate.

Perhaps tje greatest coup of the unelected president and his handlers was, as usual, a dubious metaphor. All on his own he has declared a war on terrorism, a nonsensical notionlike a war on dandruff. To resist terrorism is the norm for any government, a response best accomplished by international police and intelligence services. So why was the inappropriate word "war" used? Because only in wartime can the executive gain maximum power over the American people by replacing the checks and balances of the Constitution with an emergency apparatus currently called "homeland security," Relying on ad hoc bits of incoherent legislation much of the Bill of Rightscan be suspended because This is War, which it is not: at this point the victims of 9/11 are invariably exploited, but 9/11 was the work of religious zealots and not of a country, and there can be no actual war without a country, particularly when we are faced with criminal gangs given to suicide. To assume wartime powers without a war is something new under the American sun, requiring a blizzard of lies.

Gore Vidal, 2004

Guten Morgan ET.... Ya es ist Rot Morgan

Craig A for a Journalistic piece - with little editorial.

Interesting that many of the reports on the ABC Charlie Gibson thing has effected Charlies rating more then Gov Palin

Obama may have stuck his foot in his mouth again with the ad about McCain does not do e mail.
It was reported way back in the last campaign he ran that he cannot type and dictates or uses oral means for communications. This is due to his stay as a POW.
It is also said he cannot comb his own hair very well as his arms will not reach.

Ah Ping, thank you for the greeting, but you are writing in German :-)

In Dutch you would say

Goedenmorgen or goeiemorgen .. Ja is het een ROT (?) morgen.

Anyway I think I got that right. But the word ROT I am not sure what you mean.

A friend told me yesterday that Charlie Gibson was accused of looking down at Palin, but what he was actually doing is looking down at his notes... No matter....

Obama/Biden 2008

My friend Marc refers to this as his "quote of the day" from Wonder Woman herself, Lynda Carter, who was recently asked by Philadelphia magazine how she felt about the media calling the Republican vice-presidential candidate the "new Wonder Woman":

"Don’t get me started. She’s the anti-Wonder Woman. She’s judgmental and dictatorial, telling people how they’ve got to live their lives. And a superior religious self-righteousness . . . that’s just not what Wonder Woman is about. Hillary Clinton is a lot more like Wonder Woman than Mrs. Palin. She did it all, didn’t she?"

I'd take Lynda Carter for Vice-President. She's far more qualified than the Powerpuff Girl.

You mean old Chuck was sneaking a peak at the twins? Baaaaad Charlie.......

ET Meines schlechtes ROTEN
Entschuldigen Sie mich, ich Mittel roten Morgen

To early to be trying to type German when I have problem with English

ahhh........peek peek peek at the peaks

One must give time to understand Gov Palin from Gov Palin, There is so much noise and distraction that conclusion jumping should be the quote of the day.

This will continue to reveal and in time she will get stronger support

off to chores

If she werent second place for McCain I might tend to agree, Ping.......as it is she's irrelevant......McCain is the reason to vote against McCain and she's just along for the ride........

the presidency is not some kind of "Lifetime Achievement Award" that we award to some old about-to-depart Actor who never got his academy award statue......it's a contract for the job of Running Our Country.....

"I see Obama as a Washington outsider who desperately wants to be an insider and will do anything to please the inner circle(media,K Street, congressional leaders)."

His actions don't support that. Take, for instance, moving the political core of the DNC to Chicago, and the lack of DC types in his inner-inner circle.

or at least being front man for the Group which is Running our Country.........lol

Flatus--

re: His actions don't support that---I forgot that he moved DNC operations. But on the other hand Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt are the epitome of Washington insiders and as I recall they were pulling the strings during primary season to get rid of the Clintons.

Your other point about the lack of DC insiders in his inner circle-who is his inner circle? I've seen friends and family of John McCain,Cindy McCain.Joe Biden, and Sarah Palin interviewed on TV many times. College friends,military friends, neighbors, etc.--who are the Obama's friends and family? Where are they? Who do they go to dinner and a movie with(before he was running for POTUS) . If regular people knew more about them, they may be able to relate to him more.

random episodes of success in warfare:
Herodotus:
Besides this slaughter of the Thessalian foot when it was blockading them, the Phocians had dealt a blow to their horse upon its invading their territory, from which they had never recovered. There is a pass near the city of Hyampolis, where the Phocians, having dug a broad trench, filled up the void with empty wine-jars, after which they covered the place with mould, so that the ground all looked alike, and then awaited the coming of the Thessalians. These, thinking to destroy the Phocians at one sweep, rushed rapidly forward, and became entangled in the wine-jars, which broke the legs of their horses.

Sturg, that hurricane is something else. Can just hope...

We owned an end unit on the 15th floor of our gulf coast condo in FL. Had windows on three sides--put hurricane shutters on every opening.

We felt safe in the big winds, but we new that all the infrastructure in our small city would be destroyed by surge when a direct hit came.

We feel much more comfortable here in Columbia.

The lady who posted early this week after injuring herself (lumbar compression fractures) during Gustav, is likely in the badly affected area of Ike. Hope she's in a safe area this time.

"These, thinking to destroy the Phoenicians at one sweep, rushed rapidly forward, and became entangled in the wine-jars, which broke the legs of their horses."

The genesis of land-mines.

This is election is about our country - not about any immature spitefulness held against Obama or the DNC. If you want to change the DNC get involved with the DNC.

"immature spitefulness"

Judgement, right? "immature" is in the eye of the beholder......perhaps it is immature to cast aspersions upon the values others may hold dear.

except for neo-cons, where severe judgement is called for........lol

Sturge - I gather my thought from statements made by the posters....they have said do much.......

Immature - was definitely the wrong description......obviously, the more I think about it there are so many words that would better describe the posts I have read here....I'll just take the heat for "immature" lol

do = so

I cant see how calling people names, or disparaging their thought processes will lead them to espouse the views which you hold dear.....after all there are as many views as there are people......my first thought if I found my ideas called "immature spitefullness" would be a curt "focus on your own situation, please."

I can see where palin's views are rife for disparaging.....she's seeking high office......I can see where any candidate's views are in the same position.....but what about ordinary people on a blog?
What's the point in calling them anything......even if they change their mind, has anything been won or gained?

an argument won on a blog.......what is that good for?

Sturge , maybe, however.....many have stated that they are "sending a message" ( in so many words ) ..... and voting against rather than for....( in some cases against their own beliefs - as they have said)

I hear what you are saying - which is judgmental on your part....but that doesn't really matter.....opinions and judgments... a fine line in between

one can choose to pick apart every last syllable - or one can choose to "get the point" being expressed. In depends on how you like to spend your time.

Have a great ... off to a polo match

peace~

Blog.......... HUH! (good gawd, y'all) what is it Good For?

Absolutely Nothin' !

lol

day....lol .....oops

Have a great day !

sturg...like war, absolutely nothing.

And Palin is still the talk and Obama has been bumped out of the news cycle. Early voting coming up soon and time is running out. My email from Obama is to get people registered to vote. Sorry, I have given all I can to the dems...no more from me. I still have bus tire marks on my back (Jimi Hendrix would approve) from the primaries.

or one can choose to take umbrage at some blog person choosing to call thoughtful people guilty of "immature spitefulness" which sounds to my ear like "immature spitefulness".

Exposing John McCain’s Lies — Pass it on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Are we finally pulling back the Curtin on the Wizards?

Ground Zero is a Symbol of Republicans' failed policies, that after 7 years Ground Zero is still a hole, still zero! Nothing from nothing leaves nothing and that is not Change we can believe in!

One final comment, whatever anyone wants to do with their lousy vote is fine. Whether revenge voting, stupid choice voting, crush voting, well informed voting, etc., it doesn't matter. Diebold will take care of it! If I want to vote against someone, who cares? Do only the purest of heart and intent get to vote?

btw - I acknowledged "immature"....that was immature choice of word....... : )
............... I rarely call names... ( that said, I am sure that a blog secretary and historian could find a few instances....have fun....or maybe not today due to the power outages)

ciao for real ~ now everyone can enjoy their day.

"I hesitate to speculate too much right now because I believe this political environment is artificial. And it won’t last."

Self-fullfilling prophecy of his own campaign???

Comments were made while wearing polo shirts
today on blistersyeahbutchannel another musical interlude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3jfwdjL8jw&feature=related

Obama will be there before ye

"Thanks, but no thanks. If we want a bridge, we'll build it ourselves.
"
vs

"The writing was on the wall" (that the "bridge to nowhere" was getting so much bad press that it wasn't gonna happen) and "sometimes you just have to call an audible."

She can talk out of both sides of her mouth and smile the entire time, plus, she can throw in a little sports terminology for the common folk.

The writing is on the wall, all right. It's Kerrey part duh.

Spinkling & a light breeze here; huuuumid. Hoping the electricity doesn't go out so I can see SNL. Hope all the of the southeast TX Crawdads are OK.

"She can talk out of both sides of her mouth and smile the entire time, plus, she can throw in a little sports terminology for the common folk. "

Well stated, blue. She will get that nascar vote.

UB......you copped to "immature" but thoughtfully avoided "spitefulness" a double.

If you wish to dispose someone to your ideas, (independents, Hillary voters) the way to go about it is not by browbeating, but with the superiority of your arguments.........with browbeating nothing is gained but umbrageous ire....I say vote as you will.....a vote for mccain is another vote for bush......and there it rests. I cant see for the life of me how my telling you that youre stupid for voting a certain way contains the least possibility of causing you to vote as I wish you to. If I care how you vote, of course........

Sarah is the Rachael Ray of the political world. She'll probably get the RR fans. Food Network chefs were unhinged by RR's style when she started out as were the food editors at the NYT and other publications.Look who's laughing now.

ubns....

Another good point....even oprah can't stop her!

I am being told that Palin is scary by the dems....and it is almost the echo of Mr. o's "they are telling you to be scared of me....."

It is so obvious that the repugs are echoing back the same message to o campaign. Flusteramaobama.

http://www.breitbart.com/image.php?id=app-304a4e2a-ec0b-4a2c-b9f7-212a048a1580&show_article=1&catnum=0&ch=BNImagesAll

Rachael Ray and John McCain 9/12

Mrs. Smith goes to Washington D.C.

Sturgeon - the voters I was referring to, are not changing their votes, they have said so much. Prior attempts by many to understand the logic behind the protest votes, that may, increase the likelihood of McCain taking the white house have proved futile. I do have difficulty understanding why anyone (other than McCain supporters) would vote in any manner that could possibly put McCain/Palin in the oval office.

It boggles my mind - as the old saying goes

Match rained-out today. :(

Crack and Obama, two words that work well together.

Fred Barnes wrote about Palin before she was selected for the McCain ticket.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp?pg=2

Some people have health care has their number one issue but claim they aren't single issue voters...but don't allow the same respect to the rights of others to make similar decisions.

Deaths as bombs rock Indian capital

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/09/200891314524580165.html

A group called the Indian Mujahedeen has claimed responsibility for a series of bomb blasts that have rocked India's capital, New Delhi, leaving at least 18 people dead and 40 injured.

Thats what O should do, change gears,he say's he is for change,adapt and change,Palin big f deal, just another politician,go after,(nothing personnel)her,if you go out,go out swinging.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/13/train.collision/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

At least 18 killed in L.A. train collision

At least 18 people were killed and 135 injured when a passenger train packed with rush-hour commuters slammed head-on into a freight train Friday in suburban Los Angeles, a spokeswoman for the Metrolink train service said Saturday.

unbelievable - trains are on tracks - ??? how can this happen in todays world ?

I feel if Mr. o cannot handle another celebrity politician in the world, how can he rule (I have avoided the use of govern) effectively?

sorry if I offended anyone,was trying for a little humor.

solar....I always appreciate humor (not stink bombs), no matter how bad it is!

Must go...have a wonderful day folks....still be careful out there....no universal health care for any of us! We are all just pre-exisitng conditions!

My progressive Republican friend..yes there are some..told me yesterday that she can't vote for Obama or McCain-Palin. She wishes Hillary were the nominee. She said she probably won't vote for President.

I encouraged her to not close the door on voting for the Democratic ticket because Palin opposes everything she stands for. I was met with silence.

I think voters need to thing about the fact that you don't have to be in love with someone you vote for. Sometimes you have to make a selection from a serious of unsatisfactory choices.

Sorry for the typos..is that how you spell typos?

I'm off to Portland for a labor rally..Have a nice day..

Sarah Palin…“knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.”
Senator John McCain

And just yesterday we learned that John Mc Cain's staff includes these two fellows :
Berman, who's McCain's national finance co-chair and one of the Arizona Senator's leading bundlers, is a lobbyist with Ogilvy Government Relations, which has been paid millions of dollars for lobbying by the Chevron and Hess corporations, according to disclosure forms. The second official, John Green, who is McCain's chief liaison to Congress, also was with Ogilvy and worked on those same contracts until joining the campaign. - Talking Points Memo

Since the good Senator's vice presidential pick is in his own words, is one of the top experts on energy in America. She needs to be asked about how she feels about a campaign running on a reform ticket employing 2 lobbyists from the very companies that were such a corrupting influence on the people who managed the collection of America's oil royalties from these very companies.
Maybe it's that he needs Chevron for more photo-ops on it's drilling rigs.

http://the-shin-bone-star.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palinknows-more-about-energy-than.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144510

Geeze, Patsi can you be anymore wrong? Are you brushing your teeth this morning with cheap Vodka and keeping your breath squeaky fresh with those menthol cigarettes.

’m Linda, Fly Me
Published on January 23, 2003

Photo by Chris Kleponis/ZU7MA The national press corps didn't bother to tell you why Tom Daschle, the Democrats' Senate leader, decided at the 11th hour not to run for president: In the end, he calculated that he couldn't survive scrutiny of his persistent service to the clients of his wife. Linda Daschle has been one of the airline industry's top lobbyists for two decades — when she wasn't busy running the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which explains why, just 11 days after the 9/11 attacks, her husband rushed through the Democratic Senate, which he controlled, the $15 billion bailout for the airline industry, a notorious taxpayer rip-off.

Right after then-Congressman Tom Daschle dumped his first wife for a younger, prettier one, the former Miss Kansas Linda Daschle went to work as chief lobbyist for the Air Transport Association, the airline industry's main lobby; she then became the senior vice president of the American Association of Airport Executives; and these days hangs her hat at the pricey top Washington law/lobby shop Baker, Donelson, Bearman & Caldwell, headed by former GOP Senate leader and ex–Reagan chief of staff Howard Baker — where she peddles influence on behalf of a long list of lucrative aviation clients. The clients for whom Linda lobbied brought more than $5.86 million into Baker, Donelson in one three-year period, including Northwest Airlines ($870,000 from 1997 through 2001) and American Airlines ($1.26 million in fees). Northwest was already teetering on the edge of bankruptcy even before 9/11. American, which has had six fatal crashes since 1994 (not counting 9/11) and has been repeatedly fined by the FAA for a skein of safety violations, had the reputation as the most unsafe major U.S. carrier.

Yet these two clients of Linda Daschle's got nearly $1 billion from the airline bailout her husband pushed into law — thanks to which Northwest (which was the second largest contributor to Senator Daschle's 1998 campaign
http://www.laweekly.com/2003-01-23/news/i-m-linda-fly-me

Dear Cluless
The discussion is about people surrounding candidates
Once again proving you comment and don't read.

"Sometimes you have to make a selection from a serious of unsatisfactory choices"

OD, This is what gripes me (and possibly your friend) is that I have been doing this since 1968. This was the year that I finally got to actually love a candidate since RFK. Instead, this year will be like every other Presidential campaign. I'm stuck with the Democrat again, but I still don't really like him, I don't like the party that screwed over my candidate even more, and I really, really dislike the alternatives.

Grouchy only begins to describe it.

no one cares what you think because you take the most inconsistent and self serving positions

Daschle is being considered for obama's chief of staff
and is wife and daughter in law are both lobbyists
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/tom-daschle---.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

and only last week we were told

It's all about New Hampshire

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144535

for the record, Patsi has not returned as any of these anonymous posters that some seek to think she is. my guess is that if she returns, she will do so as herself.

Craig,

That's good. I like Patsi and I don't like the anonymous cowards. I didn't think she could be one of them.

yep, jamie, i do not make it a practice to check IP addresses of anonymous posters but this developing urban myth about Patsi seemed worth checking

where do we stand on the western roundup jamie? did i tell you the parents are coming? we booked the asimolar (looks like a really cool place). gotta get the flights booked soon i guess

I think the reason Daschle didn't run for President is the same reason George Allen didn't run...

If you can't win reelection to the Senate, especially when you were the Minority Leader, best able to bring money to the home folk, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning nationally.

He'd be like the guy with a fistful of Benjamin's, unable to get laid in a whorehouse...

Good afternoon all!

This is election is about our country - not about any immature spitefulness held against Obama or the DNC. If you want to change the DNC get involved with the DNC

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | September 13, 2008 10:16 AM

UB- Please try to recognize that people have been involved. I went far from home to speak my mind. I wasn't alone. They didn't listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rge8jDYuzRQ

"The expansion of early voting is posing a dilemma for the campaign teams, with decisions having to be made about whether to time ads and rallies to coincide with them or whether to delay drives until nearer November 4....
The Obama campaign is encouraging as many of its supporters as possible to vote early, fearful that would-be Democratic voters might turn away on election day if facing long queues on November 4 because of Republican challenges to voter eligibility."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/13/uselections2008.barackobama

with 30% voting early, gordo's dire surprise predictions may come in to play sooner than october.

Craig,

Flight reservations you have a choice. Fly in to San Francisco or San Jose and short hop to Monterey and I can pick you up at the airport or fly in to one of the main airports and rent a car for the approx two hour drive to Monterey.

If you want to turn it into an adventure, take 17 to Santa Cruz and hit the boardwalk before driving south. Does Toby like roller coasters? :-)

oldseahag - that is commendable to make the effort, I hope that you continue feel that passion and work towards your goal. Sometimes it can be disheartening when people turn a deaf ear.

During a GE they might have their hands full with the task at hand, maybe after this is over they will listen more readily? who knows...

I am hopeful that the Obama / Biden ticket will win, and that many things will change for the better in our country.

Jamie,

Don't forget Oakland too...flights are often 20% cheaper there than SFO and if someone wants to fly Southwest, they can get in there...

wow that all sounds great jamie. thanks again for the organizing. we'll be renting a car and seeing some relatives up north before or after our wacky weekend. toby is not a roller coaster fan, btw, but i luv them.

The October Atlantic Monthly arrived yesterday. The cover story, by Jeffrey Goldberg, talks about McCain's relationship with war, and why he views Iraq as he does.

It will add to both supporters' and detractors' understanding of him--something that's important if we want to believe ourselves credible arbiters of America's future.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200810/mccain

Fact Checking of The Repub ticket...last 2 days...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/weekend_edition.html

Replace He with McCain in last sentence of my last comment.

ET

Even though I have opted for the Obama vote, I totally understand your friend's feelings about the DNC. That farce and obscenity of a committee meeting with the stealing of four electoral votes just because they had the power to do so was the last straw for me. The DNC will NEVER get one one or one minute from me ever again until power mad charlatins like Brazille are long gone.

that should read "one dime" not one one

UB- Please try to recognize that people have been involved. I went far from home to speak my mind. I wasn't alone. They didn't listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rge8jDYuzRQ

Posted by: oldseahag | September 13, 2008 2:03 PM

OldSeaHag, I certainly understand your position. However, I get the sense that most of the angry Hillary supporters have buckled down and decided to vote Obama/Biden because the alternative is too horrible to comprehend.

Hey Craig, if you are still around, what is your take on Obama's refusal to seriously consider Hillary as his running mate? People accuse him of being arrogant (isn't that a prerequisite for any politician?). I am a bit mystified that he banked on Biden who comes from one of the smallest states in the Union so he does very little "electorally" for Obama, assuming we believe that VP candidates can make their home states more competitive come the general. You Craig wrote about the "shotgun marriage" possibility and I really thought that Obama would offer the seat to Hillary. A couple more questions:

Did Obama figure that Hillary supporters had nowhere else to go?

Now that a lot of people are saying it was a mistake not to choose Hillary, do you think McCain would have still chosen Palin to blunt the Hillary effect?

Do you believe that the 1/2 vote meeting of the DNC has further complicated the race for Obama and the Dems?

And if you were to predict, how do you think the election will shape up come election day? Perhaps you aren't into making those kind of predictions, but I'll cop to feeling pessimistic.

Jamie,

I don't know if you've ever been asked this, but let me ask you now.

1. What should the penalty have been for violating party rules?

2. Were the players in this soap opera's positions reversed, what would your thoughts be about how things played out had they been in Sen Clinton's favor?

Jamie it bothers me too, but as a lifelong Democrat, I can't turn my back on my heritage going back to my Norwegian-American Minnesotan roots. I don't give money to the parties or the candidates anymore. I resent too much the millions that the "professional political consultants" hog home after the elections are done Face it... politics are big business and I don't think people scraping along to make ends meet should finance these "professional" monetary gluttons.

Jamie,

I don't know if you've ever been asked this, but let me ask you now.

1. What should the penalty have been for violating party rules?

Posted by Bear ...

Bear you didn't ask me, and I am over participating so this should be my last post today...

I can't answer the question on penalties. I don't agree at all with the same states always being able to be first to vote in primaries. I do think it was INSANE to penalize two important states like Michigan and Florida. Were the Dems so convinced that those states didn't matter because it would DEFINITELY be a Dem landslide? Taking away the votes runs counter to anything the Dems have stood for in the quest of voters rights and ending such unscrupulous activities as the poll tax!

Anyway that's my view...

"She and her partner are both so angry that their votes counted as only 1/2 a vote each that they will NOT vote Democrat at all this time. They are both extremely angry women who feel that Mr. Obama has disrespected most women voters by not seriously considering Hillary as his running mate. They decided that opening the VP slot for a woman is more important than which woman so long as that glass ceiling is finally broke through" .EuroTom

Tom,
Your friend explained so well why some women are so mad at the Democratic Party. I agree with all the things she said, plus I have some other issues to add to the list too. But I won't add them right now since I can't stay. Just wanted to say I respect you for respecting her decision (even though you disagree).

Evangelicals or "born again" Christian voters are fought for by both Mccain, and Obama. my brother ,a catholic decon told me that the catholic church will get behind mccain(letters etc.) due to the abortion argument.

I think the end of wars, terrorism, and a lot of our worlds woes will end when all religion ends--when???

Amen Solar Crete !! :)

I wonder if this means the Pope is glad McCain is not a Catholic?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26677884/

Bear

1. If the penalties had been equal for all of the states who wanted to violate the rules, then that would have been fair, but they all asked for waivers and only the states the powers that be "liked" got them. Then there were all sorts of Shenanigans about the Michigan "penalty" even though there was no necessity for candidates to remove their names from the ballot. That "all is forgiven your whole delegation (now that we have packed it with Obama delegates) will be seated was more backroom BS.

In the future, there are all sorts of changes I would make. Number one being NO Exceptions. If a state, any state, chooses to violate the agreed upon rules, it will be announced that no one needs to go to the polls because their votes will not be recognized and no delegation will be seated at the convention. Let the state parties deal with the outcry that would cause.

I would love to do away with the caucus system or at the least insist on a 50/50 caucus/primary combination. (The Republicans did this in Washington this year while the Dems stuck with Caucus only) , and not that insane Texas two step variety. As it stands now, I consider the caucus a total violation of voting rights for the majority of the public.

If the situation had been reversed, I probably would have allowed Florida simply because they were at the mercy of the Republicans. Michigan, I would have enforced the no campaigning but left all names on the ballot. Failure to place name on ballot means you don't get to guess about how many votes your "might have gotten".

Basically, no matter who wins, I come down on the side of the voters. If they don't vote you can't count them. If they do vote, you count them. Any system that makes it possible for the most people to vote without obstruction is the system that should be favored.

P.S. Biggest change: Fire Brazille and never allow her another position in the party ever again.

" think the end of wars, terrorism, and a lot of our worlds woes will end when all religion ends--when???"

From you lips to God's ears. :-)

After Buddha was dead, his shadow was still shown for centuries in a cave - a tremendous, gruesome shadow. God is dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. -And we- we still have to vanquish his shadow, too.

from Nietzsche's The Gay Science

solar......liked the bar, not sure I'd make a good professor.........now get down and gimme 250 words on what is solar crete?

lol

UB- "will they listen more readily? who knows..." Good question, damned if I know.
ET- Thanks for the understanding, sincerely. You have twice used "angry" in your description of women. A more sensitive approach would be to drop that popular msm meme.

maybe 50 words or less.....

WASHINGTON—A conservative political forum on Saturday sold boxes of waffle mix depicting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a racial stereotype on its front and wearing Arab-like headdress on its top flap.

The product, Obama Waffles, was meant as political satire, said Mark Whitlock and Bob DeMoss, two writers from Franklin, Tenn., who created the mix and sold it for $10 a box from a booth at the Values Voter Summit sponsored by the lobbying arm of the Family Research Council.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/

would you believe 3 words and a picture?

--maxwell smart

interesting site for solarcrete construction
http://www.solarcrete.com/solarcrete-wall-construction-process.php

you still get an A......some professor.....stop me before I profess again......

Palin to go it alone tomorrow in New Hampshire at the Nascar races.... yep she is going after the nascar moms.

julie

"McCain, Palin to campaign in Cedar Rapids Thursday"

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080913/NEWS/80913021

"McCain and Democrat Barack Obama have said Iowa, carried narrowly by Republican George Bush in 2004 and Democrat Al Gore in 2000, is among the top tier of battleground states in the 2008 race with roughly seven weeks until Election Day."

This is why we have had non-stop ads for McCain and Obama for months, as well as visits from party officials, candidates, and surrogates. Take no state for granted, many are in play right now. This is why I am ignoring most polls at this time unless I can look through their methodology and deem it as sound.

Cedar Rapids is a very strong Democrat area...it will be interesting to see what size crowd the Republicans can come up with on a Thursday morning at an airport hanger in a solidly Democratic area.

Solarcrete,

Is that some form of Insulated Concrete Forms?

d no,never saw the child again. This the power that religion carries.

Sen.Lieberman very war like is scary to me. another reason to consider the chicago machine that backs Obama---see what im going through ,Sturg is right stop pushing people like me---i'll figure it out, with a gentle nudge,don'tr push me I don't like it,Im not stupid, care less about my country,I was twenty something when I became a citizen, and love it here mistakes and all.

Duh...as I read further I see it is...

This is some cool stuff...how's you business been?

Jamie,

Thanks for the perspective...

Bear, Sturg I will try to answer, having a hard time with captcha stuff

Solar Crete ... 12:06 PM .... ROTFLMAO!!!! OMG, Solar ... lol .. thanks for the big belly laugh .. laughed so hard ... needed that today .... Love your humor, hehe

viv

Solar Crete...I loved your one act play about Crawfordslist Tavern. Hell, all you needed were two guys popping out of garbage cans, and it would have been worthy of Samuel Beckett.

I even like my speaking part: "Grrrrrr"

Just got home from South Florida this afternoon with my second Jack Russell rescue pup.

Chopper now has a new gal pal named "Kaley." She's his age, and as sweet as can be. She was rescued out of the Miami-Dade dog pound and spent the past two months in a foster home.

It's been a blast watching the "dominance dance." I swear, both dogs are dehydrated already from marking and over-marking each other's spots in my backyard. But now they're resting peacefully, side by side on the rug in my office.

Say hello to everyone Kaley.

Rules

Are really important in ordered society. They establish the mechanism for, and the bounds of, discourse for any particular occasion.

In debate and in councils of government, Roberts Rules generally govern.

In order to have a more informal discussion of a particular matter, I've moved to suspend the rules. This is a legitimate thing to do as it enhances the democratic process.

In the current election cycle, in the Rules Committee meeting held in May, the Committee suspended their own governing charter, not to allow a broadening of the consideration of an issue, but to curtail debate and dissent. That, in my mind, is a fraudulent abuse of parliamentary process.

I think the appropriate remedy would be a court imposed invalidation of all Committee actions subsequent to the suspension.

Ironic that a song that was partially about John McCain in the early 1990's had someone that gave Bill Clinton the cultural bona fides he needed to win in 1992...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39DJqI8puV0&feature=related

Flatus...

Point of personal privilege...

Huh? lol

Congratulations, Lard!!

I'll post a short video of the two pups in a bit.

Hi Kaley

When will your human post a picture so that we can ooh and ahhh over you?

"Early balloting after Virginia opens in Idaho on September 22, Missouri the day after and Iowa, another state that Obama hopes to take from the Republicans, on September 25. In battlefield states that have often decided the outcome of recent elections, early balloting opens in Ohio on September 30 and Florida on October 20." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/13/uselections2008.barackobama
this explains some of the strange campaigning going on now.

You know the one thing that really puts me off McCain? This man has had nothing but government care for his whole life from being the child of a Naval Officer to Veterans care to Congressional programs. Given his injuries, cancer, and lymph nodes amongst who knows what else, without that care he probably wouldn't be in any shape to run or he would be dead.

How he can stand in front of any audience and say that government health care is a bad choice is beyond me. 47 million people without the care he takes for granted makes him a total ass.

sure, lard.....you got a big fat "grrrrr"......all I got was compared to Frasier.........lol

Solar Crete, 6'3 how did you know.
good one bwt.

Jack

Amy Goodman Arrest at RNC Convention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ

nicole Salazar arrest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jreRSEQ_yg

Morning after arrests with Thom Hartmann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42hNWw32F8

Considering he helped create our current recession, I think Mr. Greenspan's opinion is interesting...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13/greenspan-american-cant-a_n_126183.html

Democrats "suspended their own governing charter"
That the equivalent of Congress suspending the Constitution.

And we allow these people (slimes) to speak for us!

Always like to read your comments Flatus.

CNN is going to do their "Revealed" specials on the VP candidates just as they did on McCain and Obama. I wonder if they will be polite like Wikipedia was and not give dates for Palin's marriage and birth of first child or whether they will be mention like mother like daughter?

Jamie,

I'm noticing some feminist friends are forwarding this link to their lady friends vote for the Republican ticket..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/drill-drill-drill_b_124829.html

To bad it's not the girl on girl action to many men crave...lol

I guess Obama canceled his SNL appearence tonight due to Ike...I wonder if McCain would have canceled?

Okay, here it is...

Cecil B.D. I ain't, but on the other hand I don't think Cecil ever tried to capture two young Jack Russells in the same frame in fading daylight, especially with a cell phone cam.

Meet Kaley...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBxr8wvOHhc

WC Fields used to sit in his pajamas in a lawn chair on his front lawn in the rare pouring rain reading his paper, simply because he knew it drove his neighbor DeMille stark raving mad......

Bear,

THAT is a great column. It pretty much says everything that puts me off Palin.

I like Obama well enough. He's okay. Don't think he is right for the Job just now though I would have supported him whole heartedly in four or eight years and would have liked him in the second chair as being capable of learning the ropes and moving up if necessary.

But everything about Palin nauseates me. She is the embodiment of everything I have always voted against. She may be a personable human being that I wouldn't mind having live next door, though I'm not too sure of even that because I recycle and I'm not sure she does. The idea of her being the person who would move up if the health of a 72 year old man with a history of severe medical conditions is enough to give me the creeps while awake and nightmares when asleep.

Maybe we should do a protest and carry signs reading: "I Like Polar Bears"

New Yorker has a profile/interview of Gov. Palin researched mostly prior to her selection... written afterward.

Lots of perspective, information and local opinion.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch?printable=true

Lardo

She looks as if she still has questions about you. Just wait until she finds out what a complete softie you are. She will get her Jack Russel grin back.

Lardass,

Thanks for the video of your two precious dogs. I, too, have a rescue Jack Russell. I've had him for a year.
It's my first small dog. He's a charmer.
Are Jack Russells usually quite hyper? Mine is.

Marcia

Russells aren't "hyper" They invented "hyper" :-) They are so bright that they usually train well.

hyper contest:: Jack Russels vs Scottish Border Collies

Charlie biased, see for yourself. even abc now has shown how the media no longer has integrity, honesty, only bias. They edited so much of her answers as to make it seem like a really bad interview.
Gibson Obama interview:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Gibson Palin interview:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

The only Jack Russell I saw who wasn't hyper used to run around all day with a greyhound in the yard...

Julie,

People basically know Obama's basic positions on the issues, therefore Gibson could ask those questions of Obama.

Palin was pushed on the American public as someone ready to lead and as experienced in foreign policy. Therefore Gibson asked questions to kick those tires.

Here is the original transcript , if anyone cares.
The bold is what Charlie left out.

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

Geez, Louise...I just took them on their first walk together. I feel like I just finished the Iditarod.

It's amazing watching how quickly these two dogs are bonding. They've only known each other six hours, and they're already shadowing each other everywhere, and following me wherever I go.

Kaley's definitely a keeper.

(Oh..and she's got a nice big smile, Jamie. In that shot I think she was just wondering why I was sticking a cellphone in her face! LOL)

It seems like the Texas officials are pissed off that so many people in Galveston ignored the warning to leave or face imminent death ahead of Ike.

There have been a lot of people begging for help today. I was wondering how that county voted in 2004 and this is what we have...

http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe

Use the drop down to get to Galveston county.

Now I know in Michigan, there will be Republicans at the polls to ensue that people don't vote if they were foreclosed upon and kicked from their houses. I wonder if any Democrat will do that in these areas.

I heard from someone who spent 40 years working for the electric company in RI and he said that most will need to wait at least 2 weeks before they get power and that some won't get power back until Thanksgiving...

Thanks for all the nice words about my new family member, everyone.

ProfMarcia...feel free to compare notes with me anytime. I think Harborwoman's pooch is a rescue as well...an Aeirdale terrier, if memory serves. It's beautiful too.

Lardass,

How much did it cost to adopt the pup?

Come on Bear, then why didn't he question The sainted one Obama the same questions. This man has never been vetted properly. They can't put his friends on display. They are all unsavory characters.
He has ridden the free ride so long now, he thinks he is entitled to the presidency. Those soft ball questions of Charlies to Obama, bias pure and simple.
His disdain of sarah Palin clearly showed on his face during the interview.. He lost my respect.

Julie

"Jack Russels vs Scottish Border Collies"

No contest, the Jack Russel wins. A neughbor had one, It could jump up and down for hours in the same spot. Boing,boing , boing.

Jack

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fbi13-2008sep13,0,4696825.story

New rules would give FBI more freedom in U.S. operations

Agents would be allowed to conduct physical surveillance in a public location, recruit and deploy informants, and conduct interviews without identifying themselves. Civil libertarians are worried.

Lard

A couple of good looking dogs. Keeping up with them should help take some weight off.

Jack

911

Thanks for the New Yorker article.

Jack

Bear

It is good thing I'm not a 911 dispatch for Galveston last night. I can't think of anything polite to tell someone who decided to ride out the storm on that island and then call me in the middle of a hurricane and ask for help.
Maybe, "Goodluck and enjoy your adventure"

Jack

Jack,

I' agree...I think I would have asked if they hit the liquor store before deciding to stay...

If they said no...I'd have laughed even harder...

Julie,

Obama has been a candidate for 2 years, not 2 weeks. I don't think it would be too difficult to extrapolate the answers to the same questions for McCain, Obama, Biden, Clinton as we kind of know them.

Palin is new to the scene and being billed as an expert. Kind of like the scene in My Cousin Vinny when Mona Lisa is being Voir Dire'd...

Also, I've never heard Obama say he knows Canada because they are neighbors.

McCain could make that kind of claim about Mexico and people have assumed it because of his many positions on immigration...but he never claimed, "I am an expert on Mexico because you can see the country from parts of my state"

Bear,
now you know she did not claim to be an expert because she could see Russia. read the transcript first before making silly remarks like that. You are far better than that. I usually respect your opinion very highly, this time I do not...

julie

Flatus; 8:32 am ...... I'm curious, why would "Chicago politics" be any different than Washington's except maybe dirtier and lowdown...............................................

Sturgeone; 8:37 am ...................... not often, but always right as is the 10.33 am.. "values held dear" and a HEAR, HEAR on the 10:44 am..................................

Solar Crete; 12:06 pm ....."Sorry I missed you at the tavern, man." That was very, very good, I enjoyed it thoroughly.......................................................................

Blonde wino; 12:27 pm ..............."avoidance of the word govern," careful, your intelligence is showing...............

Jamie; 1:27 pm ....." Grouchy only begins to describe it."
You speak for me with that one and BIG KUDOS for the deductions in the 3:28 pm post...............................

Sea; 2:03 pm ....Anyone who had anything to say at the "stage production" in Denver, were given a junkyard, again with no one to hear,,,,maybe they've outlawed listening - except to Cindy Sheehan's phone calls of course..............................................................

Hi Chloe; missed you yesterday, hope everythings all right with your part of the world, after the storm...........

Rita

Craig,

A bit of a heads up. Just finished talking to my favorite right wing Republican and he was going on about just how energized the party regulars and volunteers are by the Palin candidacy. They have gone from dejected to elated in the space of a few weeks and are out working hard for the ticket instead of moaning and sitting it out. Also some of the down ticket races are turning in favor of Republicans as well.

They are looking hard at the polls and think that they should solidify in about 10 days to two weeks. He's betting that for the first time a VP debate could make the difference.

Rossi pulls ahead of Gregoire in Washington Gubernatorial

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_governor_elections/washington/election_2008_washington_governor

Let me rephrase...

"She knows foreign policy since Alaska is next to Russia"

"Also, I've never heard Obama say he knows Canada because they are neighbors"

Bear

As governor of Alaska she has many contacts with Canada. She has had experience working with another nation. Limited? true. But much more than Obama.

Jack

Drill, baby , drill

Not just the Republicans

Seven out of 10 voters (69%) support offshore oil drilling,
Only 19% oppose it

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_strongly_favor_offshore_drilling_alternative_energy_plans

Jack

Bear...

re your upthread question.

Adoption fee was $200.

I went through a national Jack Russell Terrier rescue group, and it involved applications, references and screening, etc. It's a great group.

In contrast to Chopper, who I picked up from a humane society shelter in a rural county on the Gulf Coast. They were great people but the screening process basically involved me driving there, writing them a check for 60 bucks to cover his neutering and shots, and them saying "Good Luck."

So the experience can differ from case to case.

Lard,
Great looking dogs and you can't beat a rescue dog. I have posted some new pictures of my two rescue terriers on my blog if you care to look when you have recovered from the walk. We walk everyday-sometimes twice, they have a yard to play in, and they wresle every night before bed...and they are 7. I call them my 7 year old puppies...I hope they never grow up.

http://zoeyadventures.blogspot.com/

Oh and you might find a picture of Craig on the blog, too.

"As governor of Alaska she has many contacts with Canada. She has had experience working with another nation."

And don't forget, Jack, his economic adviser entered into diplomatic contact regarding Mr Obama's comments about NAFTA that were, as he told the Canadians, only for domestic consumption--what he would actually do would be something different. wink wink.

Would someone like to explain to me how the Democrats could take an almost guaranteed landslide election and turn it into a fight for political life?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Why the HELL would Dino Rossi pull ahead in the Gov. race. Is Gregoire messing up? She was a pretty good Attorney General. Why is she being bested right now by that right wing lunatic? Are Washington voters as stupid as in most of the rest of the country? I don't get it.

Would someone like to explain to me how the Democrats could take an almost guaranteed landslide election and turn it into a fight for political life?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Posted by: Jamie | September 13, 2008 7:19 PM

Well Jamie, I still think it was the snub of Hillary... And then McInsane was advised to do something drastic to turn around his candidacy and he found a woman to be his running mate... Plus, Dems are not good at standing up to Repug attacks. This is where Hillary would have excelled.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144448

U B
I don't enjoy the lecture!! Thankfully ,I made up my mind to vote for Obama on my own terms.If I'd listened to posts like yours and cared I'd say NO to Obama.What happened to you?????Fear Obama might lose or what?Think about it...........

Solar Crete
So enjoyed you earlier,I needed a laugh after working so hard today!! I really mean I'm glad your around!! Miss Patsi and kind of sad she's gone from here,so the humor is Great!!
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-c.cgi#comment-144545

Jamie
I am so glad you posted this!! I sometimes feel so petty regarding my feelings for the Dem's,but when you see it written down, what was done by the DNC,well I'm still so ANGRY!! I was raised to believe the Democrats looked out for the little guy and counted every vote...I'm SAD too......

Chloe
Glad to see you for a minute,hope the storm treated you Ok.I know what hurricanes are like living here in Florida.....Sucks!

The news isn't getting any better from what I can see...

Barac​k Obama​ under​ fire for ignor​ing advic​e on how to beat John McCai​n

By Tim Shipm​an in Washi​ngton​
Last Updat​ed:​ 9:​29PM BST 13 Sep 2008

Barac​k Obama​ and his senio​r advis​ers are under​ fire for ignor​ing the advic​e of Democ​ratic​ senat​ors and gover​nors who are conce​rned that they do not know how to beat John McCai​n.​

The Democ​ratic​ presi​denti​al candi​date'​s slump​ in the polls​ has spark​ed point​ed priva​te criti​cism that he is squan​derin​g a once-​in-​a-​gener​ation​ chanc​e to win back the White​ House​.​

Party​ elder​s also belie​ve the Obama​ camp is in denia​l about​ warni​ngs from Democ​ratic​ polls​ters that his true stand​ing is four to six point​s lower​ than that in publi​shed polls​ becau​se of hidde​n racis​m from voter​s - somet​hing that would​ put him a long way behin​d Mr McCai​n.​

http:​/​/​www.​ teleg​raph.​ co. uk/​news/​newst​opics​/​usele​ction​2008/​barac​kobam​a/​29098​44/​Barac​k-​Obama​-​under​-​fire-​for-​ignor​ing-​advic​e-​on-​how-​to-​beat-​John-​McCai​n.​ html

CORRECTING THE LINK... sorry

http:​/​/​www.​teleg​raph.​co.uk/​news/​newst​opics​/​usele​ction​2008/​barac​kobam​a/​29098​44/​Barac​k-​Obama​-​under​-​fire-​for-​ignor​ing-​advic​e-​on-​how-​to-​beat-​John-​McCai​n.​html

last fricken try

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2909844/Barack-Obama-under-fire-for-ignoring-advice-on-how-to-beat-John-McCain.html

"Wasilly really sounds like the just type of town I've been thinking about retiring to one, maybe I should plan a trip!"

You might have a great time. I'm sure the closets are really crowded.

John McCain's bump out of the Republican National Convention helped create his lead in the head-to-head Presidential Futures market on Intrade.com. For the first time since the early primary season, McCain's chances of winning the Presidency are now greater than Barak Obama.

http://worldsofspike.blogspot.com

Dateline Dallas, again:

We've got a gentle breeze and gentle rain going here from an outer ring of Ike. With any luck it won't get worse.

tt

“It’s mostly lack of awareness, which could be chalked up to not being exposed to gayness,” says the Manhattan-based writer, who came out to family and friends in Wasilla after his freshman year away at college, and even brought a boyfriend to visit. “The reaction was overwhelmingly positive from the people I heard from, and certainly from the people who know me on a personal basis,” he says. “I’ve never encountered homophobia in Alaska.”
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid61388.asp

ET- thanks for the link.

Isn't that rich though- the democratic leaders , who in my opinion, turned their backs on democratic principles, are now passing the back to Obama- it's his fault. Obama is never wrong, who will he be able to blame? Women and Hillary?

Go, McMaverick!
We're all fans in the battle ground swing state of New Hampshire. Please bring Sarah to see us! She'll like our moose burgers -- no arugula haha

Tom
Thanks for that UK Telegraph link.I'm starting to feel like its John Kerry all over again!! I do think Obama will best McSame as Bush in the debates,so maybe that will be the game changer?I'm also hoping the new Dem. registrations will put Obama over the top. Also the AP poll said Obama is doing as well with white voter's as Kerry.I hope the Telegraph is wrong regarding a Bradely effect!!

"judgment trumps experience this year"

Good thing for Obama your not right on that one either.
Because he is more of a light weight in the judgement department than the exxperience department.

Jack

Good evening everyone!

Craig's "Ugly Frogs" story from a couple threads back caught the interest of a scribe across the pond:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2008/09/13/john_mccains_ugly_frog_routine

This is true: Todd Palin's Secret Service code name is "Driller."

Alicia,
Oh please no, not McAuliff. I am so ready for him to just disappear off the political scene.

ET,
WA Dems are broke. Rossi ads more in abundance. But that is also Ras polling (leans right). She'll win.

Back to football.
OK kickin WA ass woo hoo!

Zoey

You're right. I need to ignore it.

I just love the game and forget that not everybody loves the inside stuff.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144703

Jamie
Based on the married men who hit on me,the closets are full!!! HA HA.......

We've been watching KHOU TV out of Houston over DirecTV (channel 361). They've been doing a tremendous job of keeping people in their communities informed about what's happening.

It's all much better done than the cable news services, so if you know of someone with friends and family in that area, you might let them know that this station is available.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144714

daughter is following in the footsteps of her mother that or it was an early birth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

Brutal

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/

Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund

Alicia

Is Virginia just a one term for the govenor, It seems to me you just elected a govenor.

Jack

http://i35.tinypic.com/2hd18r4.jpg

when I see the slaughter of those wolves - I see in them what I see in my dogs, who are decedents of wolves = I see life.

You don't understand it because you are city-folk disconnected from the natural world. Don't fault others for living a different lifestyle than yours. That's snobbery.

Religion isn't the cause of wars, but it's often used as the justification for them.

I think the end of wars, terrorism, and a lot of our worlds woes will end when all religion ends--when???

Posted by: Solar Crete | September 13, 2008 3:23 PM

Was the comment to which I was responding with my previous post, btw. Sorry.

Well then, way to make an effort to understand other lifestyles. Keep it up.

People say the same thing about homosexuality, you know. Would you prefer they say "it's beyond me..." and leave it at that? Of course not. You want respect and acceptance. Well, it's a two-way street.

Only here, in his little virtual fiefdom. Luckily.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144714

Actually 7 1/2 months short of the classic 9 and most first children are two weeks late, so lets call it 7.
She was 24 and they "eloped" suddenly on August 29, 1988 and Track was born April 20, 1989.

Nothing wrong with it. A lot of marriages get started that way, but given the religious beliefs and the preference for "abstinance only" plus the pregnant daughter, you have to wonder where she is coming from. She isn't stupid, so is it "sin and be forgiven" when you fall from grace ala Swaggert?

Uh yeah, Jamie. Forgiveness is the 2nd most central tenet of Christianity, in case you hadn't heard.

Oh, and religion ends when mankind ceases to exist. It's human nature. People like ghosts, and spirits and all that hokey shit. It's fun!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144736

Alicia, I work on a lot of genealogy and see a great number of marriage, birth and death certificates. A lot of first children rush into the world. A century or more ago, people got wed when they could find someone official to perform the deed. I've seen cases where the several children were baptised on the same day their parents got "married". :-)

Find any cool relatives, like Charlemagne or something like that? Seriously. I fond genealogy interesting as well, I got back to the 1820's or so and kind of hit a dead-end, pardon then pun.

What's warped? I made like 5 or 6 posts ...

Champ
I agree with you it is a two way street.I'm from Michigan and lived there my whole life until five years ago and I was taught to shoot a rifle and made to go hunting and kill deer for sport.I understand the culture and wouldn't put it down for anything.I worked at General Motor's where they shutdown the assembly line's for deer hunting opening day.I think we put these folks down with a cost..............Dem's lose the working class lunch buckets because they just don't get it.Hillary and Bill did!!! Obama are listening???

Champ,

On my father's side, I have it back to early 1700s. My mother's is split. Half of her lineage arrived from Germany just before the Civil war, but on her mother's side it goes back to the settling of VA and Maryland and then skips over the pond to England and into the Howard line, which makes me roughly umpteen zillionth in line for the throne. lol

Champ

If you send me an email, I can see if I can help you resurrect that dead end.

webthings at comcast dot net

Yeah Jamie. I have a claim to a throne as well, but a whole lotta people would have to die, and I'm sure a lot of paperwork would be involved.

My uncle had his claim to the throne too. I was always late to school because of it. :-)

Hmmmm... OK, there is a surname with which I could use help. I'll see if I can get around to it later. Thanks.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144754

It can also be blatant hypocrisy or don't do as I do, do as I say, or trying to shove your religious beliefs down the throats of others when you don't practice what your preach.

Given the Republican penchant for trying to ruin others (i.e. Clinton) and then getting caught with their pants down or in this case skirts up, I'm a little less charitable than I might be otherwise.

I recently was in the Fabulous Fern's in St. Paul, my old home town. There, a drunken blonde woman named Joey, who claimed to be a big shot in the local republican party and the mccain campaign, said that we should kill all the stupid people and all the people who aren't working. Joey carried a whistle on a ribbon around her neck that said, "US Marines The Few The Proud US Marines The Few...." She was ranting at two old drinking buddies of mine, light colonels, one Army, the other USAF, named Gahr and Carver. They seemed to know her, and didn't doubt that she was a republican hack. However, they didn't buy any of her scroogey, mean-spirited, bloodthirsty, "survival of the fittest" doctrine.

I asked Joey about all those stupid or unemployed women who were pregnant; killing them would also kill their precious embryos.

Joey loudly replied, "Fogc that, nobody cares about the dam' fetuses ! "

As the conversation went on I discovered that making big money, cutting taxes, and killing people who disagreed with Joey, were the really important parts of the republican platform. The rest is apparently window dressing to fool the boobs whom we ought to kill. Joey's revelations tend to confirm suspicians I have harbored since the republican party turned anti-abortion in 1978 - coincidently, the last year I ever voted for republicans.

I don't know if Joey was really a republican hack, or it was bs, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Tonight at the soccer game a bald eagle soared from one end of the field the the other.....The crowd was in total awe. It's not a common sight here......Many had never ever seen a bald eagle in the wild before.

The species was on the brink of extirpation in the continental United States late in the 20th century, but now has a stable population and has been officially removed from the U.S. federal government's list of endangered species.

http://www.nwf.org/polarbearsandglobalwarming/

Is anyone suggesting that pre-marital sex is a genetically inherited trait ?

I've gotta see a throne right now. Maybe I'll be back later. If not, goodnight all.

XR

Well sex is the nature part. What you do about it is the nurture side of the argument. :-)

Yeah, I don't want to get too into theology with the trolls that hang out here, but I will say to xrep, your generalization of millions of people based on one conversation with one drunk one night is ridiculous. Hypocrites come in many stripes.

And Jamie, I can't justify hypocrisy. Just because some people of faith are hypocrites doesn't mean they all are. This is pretty basic stuff. The GOP panders to the religious right because they need to to with elections, not out of principle. It's all about money and power, not God.

The Oreo cookie was developed and produced by Nabisco, an American, New Jersey based company, in February 1912

Champ

I agree with you. I know many people of faith who live the tenets fully. My problem tends to be the hard right. They are lacking in a generosity of spirit that I associate with the best of Christianity. As far as pandering, I wonder what the deep believers would think if they actually confronted the gross manipulation of their faith solely for the purpose of power. They often vote against their best interest simply because they get sold on the God's will argument.

Hey XR,

I think Joey was the blond gal on stage at Diva’s Overtime Lounge in St Paul last time I was in town.:p)

champ,

You're right on all points, of course. Even if Joey is a republican and mccain campaign big britches, she was stewed to the gills, may have had a bad day, and been mad at the world.

Also, yes, the gop is all about money and power. They pander to the religious right, yes. They also pander to racial, religious, and and regional and cuisine ("S.F. LIBERALS & CHARDONNAY DRINKERS") bigots, and murderous foreign dictators. They are also the party of Big Porn. Sweetie is calling me back to my birthday party. 61. Goodnight.

Democrat Barack Obama has established a double-digit lead over Republican John McCain in Iowa as the presidential race in this Midwestern battleground enters its critical fall stretch, according to The Des Moines Register's latest Iowa Poll. Although only 5 percent were undecided, the race remains fluid, with one in four voters saying they could still be persuaded to vote for another candidate in the seven weeks left until Election Day.

Among Independents, 49 percent say they prefer Obama, compared to 36 percent who say they support McCain.

Sarah Palin is seen by the McCain campaign as having special appeal among .. But Obama led by a healthy margin among Iowa women voters, 53 percent of whom preferred the Illinois senator, compared to 39 percent for McCain

The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The Iowa Poll, conducted for The Des Moines Register by Selzer & Co. Inc. of Des Moines, is based on interviews with 801 Iowans ages 18 or older. Responses were weighted by age to reflect the general population based on recent census data.The poll was conducted Sept. 8-10.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080913/NEWS09/80913038

Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live tonight was the PERFECT Sarah Palin. Had her look and her voice inflections down to a T.

Amazing impersonation.

tt

What would political pundits do without the word "LOOK"?

What would weather and news casters do without the word "OBVIOUSLY"?

tt

Dick Cavett on Palin, McCain, and Westmoreland

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/experience-101/#comments

oops....that was comments....this the blog:

http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/

Champ & Jamie

I have ancestry account which has availability to a whole lot the library version does not. If I can be of help Jamie has my e mail. Would be happy to and would love to help.

Julie

sturg, thanks for the Dick Cavett link.

That man can write!!

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144778

CHAMP .... Happy Birthday !!! hope you have a good one ...

VIVIAN

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144739

Jack -- Virginia Governors only get one term of four years. The next election is 2009 -- so the campaigns are sort of up and running now.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144756

Jamie -- Yes, in the colonial era pre-marriage pregnancies and births were not uncommon. Courtship often involved couples bundling in bed, and as parental influence over marriage choice declined the number of pregnant brides went from below 10 percent in the 17th century to over 40 percent by the mid-18th century. This is an interesting article on the history of courtship. http://www.class.uh.edu/gl/uscourt.htm

Jack Russell Fans -- The Story of Pip and the Jack Russell Terrier Races at the VA Gold Cup:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS242&=&q=jack+russell+races&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1#

Another cute JRT video --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gegIrPQT0ok

I don't care if Obama hits McCain hard or cheaply - I want him to change his speaking style. He is a good preacher, that's all. He needs to speak with strength and power - why do you think Palin has all this attention? She speaks firmly - her voice is clear and crisp. He is still playing the bemused rumbling academic who pauses for JUST the right word. He must stand up and SPEAK, not talk.

Solar - your play was terrific. Again. (as our adorable four-year-old says after a rasslin' match.)

Tina Fey and Amy Poehler on SNL...

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

8~D

This is an empire [USA] which is on the one hand the most powerful empire that ever existed; on the other hand an empire that is crumbling - an empire that has no future ... because the rest of the world is alienated and simply because this empire is top-heavy with military commitments, with bases around the world, with the exhaustion of its own resources at home.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/20089814415795791.html

Vivian, I Believe the birthday celebration was for xrepublican.

UB@8:51 a.m.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144803

What a bunch of absolute drivel.

LL..thanks for the SNL link. Brilliant sketch...women and humor and politics....nothing more exciting.

Flatus - take your issues up with Howard Zinn, the author, American historian, social critic and activist, about how the Iraq war damaged attitudes towards the US.

It was his interview.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/20089814415795791.html

re: jack russels vs border collies
"No contest, the Jack Russel wins."
jack, evidently you've never been nipped at the heels while a border collie herds you, a chow and some cats every time it wants entertainment. along with their penchant for mesmerizing sheep, people et alia with their crouch and stare technique, i find them to be quite formidible bundles of tightly wound and purposeful energy.

btw, welcome home, kaley; and in case chopper hasn't clued you in, lard is all bark and no bite.

George Santayana:

"A man's feet must be planted in his country, but his eyes should survey the world."

I would put the time and place for our fall as the White House in 1950. Harry Truman and his advisers decided that it would be a good idea to keep the United States on a full wartime basis even though there was no enemy on earth who would challenge us militarily or economically. Therefore an enemy had to be invented. The dictator Stalin fit the bill. So did atheistic and godless communism as a rival religion. But, said a republican senator to Truman, if you really want to waste all that money on the military, youre going to have to scare the hell out of the American people. With a lot of help from Congress and the likes of Henry Luce, Truman did just that.

Out of fairness to our inadvertant totalitarianism, there was an urgent economic motive in 1950. We had made our recovery from the Depression of the 1930's only when the war put everyone to work. After the war, rather than run the terrible risk of a free economy in which General Motors would have to make something people wanted, like a car, we decided to take all the revenue---two-thirds, anyway---of the federal government and put it into armaments.

Since the reading skills of the American People are the lowest in the First World, the general public is always easy prey to manipulation by television. This means that if you want to demonize drugs or the Arabs or the Japanese you do so openly in the media. You also do it subliminally. As a result, in the past two years, drugs was pushed from tenth to first place as a national worry. Aircraft carriers are needed off the coast of Colombia to intercept drug exporters. And so two-thirds of the true budget will continue to go to the government in its latest "war"---a war that will not be won because no one has any interest in winning it, ass opposed to expensively prosecuting it. The oligarchy does not care whether the citizens make themselves sick with drugs or not. What government wants is simple: total control. If this can be got by dispensing with the bill of rights, then that's a small price to pay. The whole tone of the Reagan-Bush management is one of open hostility to our ancient rights in particular and to the people in general. Today the poor, as Mr Bush might put it, are in deep doo-doo. The rich are fed up with the poor. And if the p[oor dont shape up, the rich just arent going to take it anymore.

Gore Vidal c. bush 1

Sinclair Lewis:
" When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Have a wonderful Sunday

peace~

"This is an empire [USA] which is on the one hand the most powerful empire that ever existed; on the other hand an empire that is crumbling - an empire that has no future ... because the rest of the world is alienated and simply because this empire is top-heavy with military commitments, with bases around the world, with the exhaustion of its own resources at home."

This is the quote that I lift from your comment. In the original it has no quotation marks and is not attributed to another individual. So, I believed it to be your thought, or at a minimum, thought that your subscribe to.

In either case, it's absolute drivel.

Remember those old political ads? Check out the Living Room Candidate:

http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/

Aw...sturg...

"And if the p[oor dont shape up, the rich just arent going to take it anymore."

And I was just on my fourth step in oil addiction recovery...believing that "I" and my oil addiction are my fault. Middle class no more....we are all poor, down and out junkies.

Good thing I provided a link as the source - for those who were interested enough to read.

brain...again, all of that money and Mr. o is falling in the polls. He is the most expensive candidate and he is going to save our economy??? I doubt if anyone with fiscal sense would believe he can do it.

Darn tootin'.......I like fig newton.......

"Good thing I provided a link as the source - for those who were interested enough to read. "

Just like Obama--plagiarize then blame the reader.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144823

Part of it may be overstatement, i.e. "on the other hand an empire that is crumbling - an empire that has no future"... but the rest of it I find to be rather spot on...

"Me... I loved Burry's cookies. They had a deluxe chocolate chip which I still remember (along with other brands with Jay Ward like packaging which Keebler ripped off and softened in style). But my favorite -- because of the marketing -- was Mr. Chips Chocolate Chips Cookies."

9/11

My all time favorite is the peanut butter Girl Scout cookie that they made right after the War. It was a _real_ peanut butter cookie--the kind you make if you go to Mrs Rombauer's original edition of Joy of Cooking.

They came in a large cylindrical canister that was filled with cookies--not the crinkled paper and cardboard that protect today's miserable creations.

that is great news about new donors...but, he is not doing the job with all of that money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

We have to spread the truth about McCain ourselves because it's clear the corporate media won't. NOW. FAST. FURIOUS. EVERYWHERE.

We are in the two-minute drill with no timeouts. No more sitting on the sidelines and allowing the McCain campaign to rack up points with countless distortions.

As we've seen with The Real McCain 2 (nearly 4.5 million views and counting!), once the truth gets out, it's hard to stop. In the last few days we have seen a disgusting descent into the worst of sleazy smear politics. We need to spread the facts and the truth. Send this to your friends and relations, especially if they are unsure or undecided—they're more willing to believe you than a talking head!

Spread the truth. Don't wait. It starts with you.
Category: News & Politics
Tags: john mccain distortions barack obama smear lies ads 2008 election media sarah palin rachel maddow

And we are still talking about Palin...the celebrity cycle continues. This cycle may last another 53 days and that is trouble for the dems.

So, ET, you subscribe to this, "...and simply because this empire is top-heavy with military commitments, with bases around the world, with the exhaustion of its own resources at home."

Our military basings worldwide are the lowest they've been since before the Korean War. Our level of military funding is at an historic low as well. Our troop strength is at another low. The numbers of aircraft and ships in our inventory is also at an historic low. Lack of military strength is because we allowed our armed forces to languish.

Exhaustion of our resources at home?? Pray tell, elaborate on this. In your own words from your own ex pat point of view.

Is the Bloom coming off of Palin, as Alaska Women Against Palin Rally is HUGE!

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska...

Politicians who lie to the public are engaging in a Betrayal of the Public Trust and it should be deemed unethical and a part of the past as we move toward a more Holistic way of life here in America.

Great Film Exposing John McCain’s Lies — Pass it on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Are we finally pulling back the Curtin on the Wizards?

Lastly, Ground Zero is a Symbol and a message of Republicans' failed policies and a gaping Wound, that after 7 years Ground Zero is still a hole, still zero -- that we were unable to lift ourselves out of the ashes and make ourselves whole again. You see, nothing from nothing leaves nothing and that is not Change we can believe in. Enough is Enough!

baca

Alaska mountains are huge, not the population.

That's pretty self evident Flatus. Investment in our own communities have diminished while military spending has flourished. On top of that, the poor veterans do not even get treated right when they return from their "tours of duty". The American economy is virtually bankrupt and rather than trying to rebuild our own infrastructure, we keep on expanding our military spending and expansionist desires around the globe.

"What's it matter if it's green or red?
The yankee dollar or the commie threat...
When the real power in the real world
Is gonna deny it all anyway?"

Fallen Angels by Buffy Sainte Marie.

Alaska mountains are huge, not the population.

Posted by: Blonde wino | September 14, 2008 11:30 AM

size isn't everything... ;-)

Strangly McCain looks so much better since he hooked up with Palin. Even physically he seems a new man. Saw him on" The View "yesterday and actually was pulling for him against those obnoxious women. Hope all of you in the storm way are okay.

Posted by: jane | September 13, 2008 7:23 AM

Well good for him. McInsane could hardly look worse.

Interesting chart on military spending courtesy of the War Resisters League

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

'Florida may be falling from Obama's grasp"
"Obama can still win Florida despite the gains McCain has made since naming Sara Palin as his running mate,and there is no sign Obama is pulling back in Florida yet.Obama allies say he has 350 paid staffers in the state and about 50 field offices,including in places not known as fertile ground for Democrats,such as Sun City Center,lake and Sebring."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article808637.ece

Palin 'governed from the center,' went after big oil

But in her 21 months as governor, Palin has taken few steps to advance culturally conservative causes. Instead, after she knocked off an incumbent amid an influence-peddling scandal linked to the oil industry, Palin pursued a populist agenda that toughened ethics rules and raised taxes on oil and gas companies.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm#uslPageReturn

ET...if Mr. o has raised 66 million in August, why must we do his campaign's job? We needs tools, not commands.

Like my friend Lissa said... as a voter in Florida she refuses to vote for Obama because his campaign worked with the DNC to deny her vote in the Presidential primary. I warned about this months ago, but few took me seriously. I'm not saying this is the only reason that there is a bit of faltering in Florida, but people like Donna Brazille, acting as if they were doing the people of Florida and Michigan a big favor by giving them 1/2 of a vote, just didn't sit well with the people I know in the state. Given, that is anecdotal, but it certainly could be a factor.

Tom

Obama/Biden 2008

ET...if Mr. o has raised 66 million in August, why must we do his campaign's job? We needs tools, not commands.

Posted by: Blonde wino | September 14, 2008 11:50 AM

Is that from the video I posted? I just posted the comments from the video as the text...

for those crawdads who can't link the snl video, here's an article from chi hrld trib with substantive discriptions, quotes and excerpts:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/09/saturday-night.html

sorry make that "posted the description" of the video.. the text next to the video on YouTube...

for those crawdads who can't link the snl video, here's an article from chi hrld trib with substantive discriptions, quotes and excerpts:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/09/saturday-night.html

Posted by: patd | September 14, 2008 11:53 AM

I posted it on http://eurotom.blogspot.com

what is your question??

How does being a smoker impact one abilities to handle the responsibilities of being command in chief?

1) diminished oxygen to the brain. Circulatory problems. Heart attack. Sickness.

2) being viewed as a ineffective hypocrite...'fullofshititis.' Very dangerous for the leader. Do as I say, not as I do. Sets a very bad example for the health of the country.

3) Misses that 3am phone call because he is outside smoking in the rose garden.

Hey Tom
I believe the 1/2 vote here in Florida is a huge factor! My client Rose a 72 year old Dem sights this as the very reason she will vote for McCain.Rose told me last week that she and her deceased husband Bill had never voted Rep. in their lives,but that she didn't want the Democrat's to think that they couldn't count her vote and then expect her vote in Nov. I just listened and said nothing,I could hardly tell her she was wrong....

BW

My hope is that the Obama campaign have more on the ball then his supporters in the netroots. My fear is that they don't.
As my wife said to me this morning, it is bad when people who are going to vote for you are getting bored with the whine.

Jack

" diminished oxygen to the brain"

That explains a lot.

Red Red Wine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Csn44haVM

"Thanks for driving up my health care "

LOL

Oh the irony.

LOL

in re up post comment on johnny mc's looks, he reminds me of charlie chaplain in his later years, 'specially that strange smile. bho reminds me of jimmy stewart in his early movies, even down to the "uhs" and the movements.

as for smoking, bho seemed to lack the stamina on the trail that hrc had. looked right down peaked there sometimes. had to take more days off than she did. has a more up to date med history on him been released than what came out that was based on records over a yr ago?

"He no longer smokes"
That's why Michelle and the girls call him "Stinky"

Everything about Obama is a lie!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144817

Patd, I'm a border collie fan as well, but haven't had one since I became an adult (too many moves). They are incredible dogs and one of the things I like most about Highland Games is that there is usually a demonstration of them working a flock of sheep.

Is Obama still smoking while hiding and denying it?

I've written very recently of my sympathy for Sen. Obama's difficulty in trying to quit his cigarette habit. It literally took a heart attack three years ago to get me to stop, and even so, the last time I had a craving for a cigarette was ... oh, about six seconds ago. I am certainly not one of those ex-smokers who's become completely intolerant of those who still indulge, or those who have tried to quit without success so far. And I am, and always will be, vulnerable to the possibility of resuming the habit. So I'm slow to condemn smokers.

But it's disturbing to have my suspicions renewed that Sen. Obama's not only a chronic smoker, but a chronic liar about whether he's been successful in quitting. Jake Tapper of ABC News blogged yesterday about an episode from last August in which he'd smelled cigarette smoke on Sen. Obama, despite the campaign's emphatic denials that he'd still been smoking. And Tapper was apparently reminded of that episode by Obama's vague and evasive statements on the topic of his smoking on MSNBC's Hardball Softball with Chris Matthews on Wednesday:

http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/04/obama-still-smo.htm

Today, Jeff Stier, an associate director of the American Council on Science and Health, questions the risks Obama faces following years of smoking.

In an opinion piece in Politico, Stier wrote that few people realize that even though Obama is now a former smoker, he faces a much higher risk of contracting smoking-related diseases.

"These risks did not simply disappear when he quit smoking in February 2007," Stier wrote, citing the "long-term and sometimes irreversible consequences of smoking cigarettes."

Yes, Obama claims to have quit -- and by doing so, he did reduce his risk of smoking-related disease," Stier said. "But the science tells us that it is naive to think that quitting after years of smoking returns you to the state of health of a never-smoker. In fact, after enough smoking, some health effects are irreversible. How long and how much one smokes determines the extent of health risk after quitting."

Stier estimated that Obama, who frequently chews Nicorette gum, smoked for at least 25 years, which he calculates would mean he smoked anywhere from 50,000 to 70,000 cigarettes.

"Just because he's young, looks great and exercises, doesn't mean he's completely healthy," Stier warned. "And given what an important figure he is, to ignore his smoking history is to miss an educational opportunity."

Thank you, new politics.

"...I'm just trying to figure out why some woman who embraced Hillary are embracing Palin, it just doesn't make any sense to me."

I was a Hillary supporter and want to respond to this comment.

I still do not know who I will vote for or if I will even vote for president. I am watching the candidates closely. I was always a passionate Democrat but now????

My comment may be a little shakey because I am recovering from recent back surgery and just went through a significant side swip from Ike. I had to ride out the storm knowing I couldn't even get up and run if I needed to.

The winds here in SW La were not as bad as they were from Rita but the flooding is much worse. I do have electricity at my home.

My camp down the road on the river may be under water and I can't check on it because of the water and my physical condition.

I really want to support Obama but I just can't yet. I am still so dissappointed with how Hillary was treated by our party. I still feel like she would have been the best candidate. I think she would have had support from both Democrats and more Republicans than Obama.

Hillary didn't deserve the treatment she got. She paid her dues and is certainly more qualified than Obama. The Democratic Party took a gamble that a young charismatic candidate would fare better than Hillary. I think he did surprisingly well up against her but he had the help of the power players in the party. If she would have had the same support she would have won. Technically I still think she did win.

Much of my professional life I have had to take a back seat to younger, less qualified and experienced men. I have been in the professional world for 36 years I don't think young women of the current generation have had to deal with this as much. Hillary's treatment gave me bad flashbacks.

Another reason I have had a hard time supporting Obama is because those of us who didn't support him have been accused of being racist. Hillary and Bill were also and that is so tragic. The worst of it comes from many of his supporters. I feel that that tactic is being supported by the Democratic Party and Obama. That is so undemocratic.

I will keep watching both candidates and maybe before the election I will have made a decision and maybe not, but I would appreciate not being called names if I don't choose Obama. I don't think it will change anyone's vote.

I will not vote for Palin because she is a woman even though it is interesting that the Republicans are willing to take a chance on a woman and it seems to be working.

Just because Obama's thin as a rail is also not indicative of healthiness--remember Nazi Germany or people starving in other parts of the world. In fact in many parts of the world excessive thinness is a sign of ill health.

Thin is not necessarily healthy.

"..... your point is mute. "

Where is Gordo when you need a proof reader

ct...very eloquent.

"I am still so dissappointed with how Hillary was treated by our party"

ct, you nailed it!

It was the Democratic Party that was duplicitous in the primaries---so why support anyone they now profess to support!

NO OBAMA, NO RACIST, NO MISOGYNISTS, NO SEXISTS, NO WAY!!

Well, time to move on and enjoy the day...but one last thought highlighting the major difference between dems and repugs.

Ted Kennedy....we'll drive off that bridge when we get there!

Sarah Pallin and John McCain..we are driving on a bridge to nowhere.

Sunday, and like commercial say's Do you know where your
children(teens) Our group of devoted sunday regulalr' s asked for the
most cash we could get, and head out for St.Pancake hse,and other
locall churches that served a full meal by a hot looking pancake.
Champ, Deuteronomy 13 tells me that religion is very warlike,also,hell
all of the Old Testament is scary as the devil.If given a choice I
would pick the devil, with him you could make plans,for a hot
time,never quite know whats going to happen if and when it happens with
the other choice.No can define what state of grace is.
I know that (forgot names and dates) that Popes went into
villages,towns, to kill the preceding Popes followers-declare war
themselves.
Even now there are people that act according to Papa=Government--Mama =
Religion,Middle East is one. some wars,not all,had to be manipulated by
religion,therefore religion is a partner with the gov, with and for
warring.Weren't Jesus apostlels , cloak and dagger men,=terrorists,even
bible gives us all these examples
I don'think, the world will end in 100 yrs or so,but i do think
religion will-gots to,now that knowledge is out there for the
taking,via net,cable,etc.eduction about the past,present, and future
along with all the science's working together now will make sure of
this, if not put that bible away for 100 yrs and explain it to me,write
another book, make up a new religion, and make the other religion,I
know Im going on but fight you for it, wait there a moment while I go
get Papa.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144830

My favorite cookie as a child was a "very thin" chocolate layer over marshmallow on a "thin" shortbread cookie. Naturally, they were hard to get to the shelves without cracking the thin chocolate layer.

The modern version is the "Pinwheel" with a thick chocolate coating over the marshmallow sitting on a thick cookie. HOlds up great on the shelf. Tastes awful.

The False Statement statute: Title 18: Section 1001

provides a penalty of up to five years in prison, a fine, or both to:

whoever, in any manner within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the government of the United States, knowingly and willfully (1). falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme or device a meterial fact; (2.makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement of representation, or (3) makes or uses any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (4) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry.......

When will Biden release his medical records?

many a victor finds the hard fought for spoils he's won turned to ashes in the noonday sun

--Bongo Seville

ct--

Great post! I think many women feel as you do although a lot of us have decided who will get our vote.

It is by the fortune of God that, in this country, we have three benefits: freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and the wisdom never to use either.
- Mark Twain

Ubns,

Your decision and rationale if you wish to share.

BTW, I am now watching a DVDed special on Sarah Palin and she does impress me in many ways. She doesn't seem like a typical Republican. I don't see McCain as a typical Republican either.

Carol

They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern warfare there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die in the dirt like a dog for no good reason.

--Ernest Hemingway

dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

from a political columnist in today's lovuisville courier-journal:

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., isn't exactly producing quotes that the GOP could use in a political ad.

Last week Bunning was asked by reporters whether he thought it was unusual that McCain and his vice presidential running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, were running against President Bush and the GOP.

"No, I don't find that unusual at all," Bunning said. "Why wouldn't you run against a very unpopular incumbent -- even one of your own party if he's done a lousy job."

Do you think Bush has done a lousy job? the senator was asked.

"In the last two years, I absolutely do," Bunning said.

This piece from the current Economist is sure to make some people crazy. I'm inclined to agree with their conclusion:
"The triumph of feminism"
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12208893

Where Are Joe Biden's Medical Records?

04 Sep 2008 12:22 pm

It's been a while since he was nominated as a vice-presidential candidate, and we still haven't had a look at his medical history. This is the normal course of events for a person who could potentially be president next February. The press really needs to do its job and get Biden's medical records pronto. Again: this needn't be too invasive. It could even be done the way McCain's medical vetting was - reserved for a room of reporters to comb through all the major and obvious issues.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/where-are-joe-b.html

Republican political women are popping up like weeds all over TV today.

CNN is doing an interview with the lying sack of cute right now.

AC

"It was the Democratic Party that was duplicitous in the primaries---so why support anyone they now profess to support!"

Because the alternative is much, much worse?

Champ:
forgot to give my thoughts about,spooks,ghosts etc. why they are fun or scary or both, was in Adv.for 8 yrs, all about the context in which they are given,and received,advertising and selling candy to give to children that dress up as all kinds of ghosts,monsters,hell their cute-yes. I have a sister that is so religious that she believes it's the work of the devellllll.

I think the scary ghost movies at the show,books lets our imagination run away with us,we wonder what death is like without really dying,I remember when the exorcist first came out, ist date with a girl I was trying to date for a while, We didn't talk much,the movie did what it it intended to.Hey Carrol was her name,I intended to get even just get a little kiss-never happened,she was truly scared,another Hey, my neck just did a full 359and3/4 % HERP. I mean HELP.

Relative military spending 1940 - 2003

Although these statistics don't include the last few years, there has been no dramatic increase in defense spending (as a percentage of GDP) over that period.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/military-relative-size.php

Carl Rove divided the country into electoral votes---Axelrod divided the Democratic Party into racists and non-racists--No reward for this!

Jack; 6'3 I saw a picture of you a while back 4-6 months? YOu had on suspenders i think, well any way I remember thinking you had to be a big guy in proportion to what around you,

Flatus

I can't really tell from your chart if those figures are "off budget". Most of the spending on Iraq has fallen into that column as the result of "emergency spending" appropriations with money borrowed from China et al.

"your point is mute."

A-hahahahahahaha...

Here is a nice counter you can watch run as the Iraq costs go up. Then there are links that show what we could have bought instead.

I thought the whole idea of borrowing money was to have something to show for the purchase that you could hang on to into the future (i.e. a house, car, education etc.).

Unfortunately, our government isn't borrowing for the purposes of infrastructure that will benefit the American public well into the future (roads, bridges, high speed rail, schools, alternative energy etc.). We are borrowing so that we can make things go boom and kill people. Sort of like borrowing against the mortgage in order to have a great 4th of July.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

"your point is mute."

Champ,

It would be very quiet around here if more of them were.

champ like the way you laugh-down deep and with me,not against me, thanks gotta go hit the bowflex-will check in from time to time,

THANKS TOM ....

Happy Belated Birthday xrepublican .... I put Champ last night .... opps, my bad ========

We're starting to get Ike in Northern KY ... winds are so strong, it swagging our house .... chloe, my cat,. is going crazy ... can't seem to rest in one spot for long ... rain's to be here by this evening ...

viv

I like fig newton.......
Posted by: sturgeone | September 14, 2008 10:52 AM
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I love those, but they're getting a bit too pricy ... though, I did break down & get some right before this new hike ... I have a recipe that's very close in taste, but barely bake now, since my hands don't always work for me ..... last time I made those cookies was Fall '06 ..... !:^)
viv

Anybody want a $2 million home in England for only $50?

http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=855067491&pl=853780502.xml&plc=853780502&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headline&config=/config/common/fan/default.xml

Champ I try not to argue too much mute points yes,I have 4 brothers and 4 sisters they give me all the point counter points that I can handle. I do like they way that you make most of your I'm here to learn mostly. I like the way most make their points and or thoughts here very much.thanks,

Thanks Champ,10-4 carry on

Sturg thanks for the link for soalrcete, Bear i hope that for right now it's enough,talk later-thanks

Don't you mean "God Damn the KKK of America"

that fig newton post was supposed to evoke the image of a cartoon tiger bopping along thru the forest singing, "Darn Tootin'......I like fig Newton!"

Early fifties.

ubns; 7:59 am .................. "anti Obama, anti media," that's what I've been trying to say and now, your right, McCain is the default candidate...................................

Carol; 12:48 pm ................. Glad to hear your all right, but you must know that the indoctrinated ones will not give you a break ........................................................

Sturgeone; 2:03 pm ...................."How beautiful is patriotic death?" My latin's not too good, neither is patriotic death....................................................

Animal; 2:27 pm ..............."no reward for this", your right, just a bunch more years of infighting.....What were they thinking?..........................................................................

Rita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyI3IL46yq4

He was too good......I think maybe they cut the commercial and turned him into the more commercially viable "Snagglepuss" on the huckhound show..........

the dates may prove some of that........

WILFRED OWEN
Dulce et Decorum Est
- best known poem of the First World War
(with explanatory notes)

DULCE ET DECORUM EST

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped5 Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas!7 Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty pane and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

8 October 1917 - March, 1918

Viv; ........ Are you the one that was talking about Lou Dobbs, on an earlier thread, if you are, I watched his impromtu Independent Convention and I must say that at least they bring out the issues and not all this stupid childish wrangling about lipstick and pigs, or who's cheating and who's not, or who's pregnant and who's child is it? How sad for our country ..........................

Rita

Sturgeone; 4:12 pm .................... Thanks Sturge, the poem is beautiful, the death isn't................tylenol would probably know this, Carolyn Parrish, a liberal backbencher in Canada, once said to Tucker Carlson, "We don't need the same size military as you have, because we don't piss people off like you do." .........................................

Rita

LushIsLinda, thanks for the SNL link. I still say it's an amazing performance.

tt

Rita thanks for the Lou Dobbs info,haven't seen any tv for months now,t.v. seen in guide.com,rerun at 5;00 Il time Central.

*what if the other 5,550 lurkers started posting*

Interesting thought, isn't it Craig.

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/the-change-race-tightens.html#comment-144976

It would put quite a kink in the ambience, but it might be fun to see what they come up with.

sturge, thanks for your 1:31 link partially quoting
The False Statement statute: Title 18: Section 1001... the hardest thing usually is proving the " knowingly and willfully" part.

wonder how many of us lesser types out there are being prosecuted right now under that very law while our ignoble leader and his henchmen are getting off scot free. yeh, yeh, i know scot-free is inaccurately used here since it has some damn thing to do with not paying english taxes, but hope you get my point (whether it's mute or moot when you read this).

patd

"scot-free"

http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970204

All this talk about McCain dying in office because he is old and has had skin cancer.My brother died in his sleep,from a heart attack, after he came home from work at the age of 49,and my friends' brother died driving home from work from a massive heart attack at the age of 34.Another freind"s son died at age 41 from sudden heart attack.So why does everyone think Obama is immune because of his age.And being a smoker,it increases his risk.

Ruth

Ruth

Looking at Mccain on CNN it doesn't look like he is going to die soon. In fact it looks like he is having a lot of fun.

lol

I wish Obama would get that excited.

Jack

From the ads here in Kansas city I it looks like Obama is still on defense. I wonder when he is going on the offense. How about some ads that define Obama for a change. People are looking and listening, why isn't he talking.

Jack

Jack

He reminds me of the cat that swallowed the canary.He sure pulled one over on the sainted one's campaign

Ruth

Obama can't buy a headline.After all that free coverage he got against Hillary,he now doesn't know how to get it back.

Ruth

Ruth

You and I both know that McCain shouldn't even be in this race let alone ahead in the polls. It is what happens when the leftwingers get in control. I just hope they haven't screwed up the congressional election. We were looking at dominance there and in the governorships.

Jack

It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races.
- Mark Twain

All democrats are insane, but not one of them knows it; none but the republicans and mugwumps know it. All the republicans are insane, but only the democrats and mugwumps can perceive it. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
- Mark Twain

Twain... America's horseracist.

Jamie

how about a Moon Pie, with a R C cocacola.

http://www.moonpie.com/single/prod_level1.asp

Jack

jamie, thanks for the info on scot-free.
since the link points out "By extension, it came to mean 'free from obligation, harm, punishment, or restraint'." guess i wasn't too far off using it in the context of our illustrious criminal element in the wh.

"scot-free"

The Scot side of me thinks this is an ethnic slur, the Irish side of me is too drunk to care the Indian side is passed out and the little bit that is still French is sneering down on all the rest and you too.

Mean while this collective we call Jack is just looking for a bit of entertainment on a dreary sunday afternoon.

Jack
With a rationality that no medication can cure

as they say back a few posts, it's all "mute" anyway. too late on bringing them to justice. i forgot that he's already pardoned himself and his gang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

jack, i'll join you in a cup of irrationality.... with bitters.

The only song I know written to a snack cake.

Camel Walk, Southern Culture on the Skids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpExtjJjmw

Jack

jack, it's not moon pie; but maybe this will do ya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzT6miAyl0I

Found It

A song about RC and Moon pie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxIhdKZ00Q

Jack

Jack

Moonpies are still too heavy. The ones I remember were so light they practically cracked if you looked at them sideways. Even the marshmallow was airier.

I put up the origin of "scot-free" above, but in your drunken state I'll make it easy: "scot" was old English for tax. "scot-free" meant not taxable. To get off "scot-free", meant you did have to pay taxes on your property for whatever reason, and of course has now come to mean to escape without penalty.

Has anyone here watched the two specials on Palin, the ones on CNN and MSNBC? The more I get to know about her the better I like her. The thing I like the least is that she is a Republican but she has taken on powerful members of her own party at the risk of political suicide. Anyone know if Obama has done that. It seems to me that Obama tries to please everyone. I am afraid he has probably made more promises to people than he can ever keep.

O tried to please everyone but bill and hillary, maybe.....

Now, Sturge, you Palinistas are just bitter.

jack

thought I would see if I could beat the BC

Tiptoe Hello,---------your 4:33 post

What if the other 5,550 lurkers started posting-----Interesting thought ,isn't it Craig

In const. there are many daily problems to resolve, from the mundane to the complex,this an easy one , I would drop out this blog, and not contribute to the demise of it and or the quality of it, in fact Craig should see to it I would not want to change the standards that you all have here now,I would leave, asking some others to go with me,(the new ones) you guys take care of the older ones,but you should not drive out people like Patsi---Hey Patsi how long is it going to take for you and your sister to write that book huh,like Strug say drop down and give me a thousand words twice a day.

Jack you asked about how i knew you were 6'3 I told ya, and are you satisfied now or are you still looking for me, I'll be at Crawfords Joint at sunup or sundown I forget how that goes.

My fave was a red nehi and a moonpie.

Rez
I like orange nehi as a kid.
My favorite memory of a sweet was toostie roll.
My, Dad was an over the road trucker when I was a small child, my good memories of him are when he would come home on a Saturday and give us each a tootsie roll.

Jack

I remember the giant tootsie roll. My dentist bill reflects it too.

Jamie,

The marshmallow/chocolate/graham cracker cookie you remember may be a Mallomar.

honey bun, banana flip, jelly roll, Butternut

Damn

So much sugar in here, I need to check my blood sugar.

Jack

orange crush.......no carbonation......

Another marshmallow type creation. If all you want is sugar this one works

http://www.valomilk.com/

nabisco biggie.....

http://www.neiluchitel.com/images/marshmallow_sandwiches_wrapper.jpg

I want a Border Collie, or any type of Collie.

Coreen

Thanks It was Mallomar.

beautiful border collie:

http://www.galleryone.com/images/townsend/townsend-trooper-border-collie.jpg

Spike

Thanks for the report. He definitely sounds like someone to watch for the future.

"Now the Obama campaign and its allies need to understand that in arguing that John McCain represents a third term of George Bush and the GOP agenda it is the Obama campaign that risks sounding partisan in a country that yearns for the post-partisanship of “country first” and “shaking things up in Washington”."

http://joetrippi.com/blog/?p=2479

~~~~~~~~~~Those bitter palinistas just keep on talking~~~~~~~~

Jack

Money Talks

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/us/politics/15cnd-campaign.html?em

In August, Obama Raised $66 Million

Mr. Obama’s previous monthly fund-raising record of $55 million came in February; McCain’s best month was August, with $47 million.

lol...of coarse

Alaska Women Reject Palin’ Rally is HUGE!

Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/

Rita ... 4:14 PM ....... Lou Dobbs Show .......

Yes, Rita, I'm the one who keeps posting about him ... Of all the News shows on Cable .. his is the real deal .. all those others, like you said .. fluff & petty ...

viv

Rita thanks for the Lou Dobbs info,haven't seen any tv for months now,t.v. seen in guide.com,rerun at 5;00 Il time Central.
Posted by: Solar Crete | September 14, 2008 4:26 PM

Solar .... Lou also has a daily radio show from 3 to 6PM ...

http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

viv

STOP THIS. PUHLEEZEEEEEEEEEEEE. I CAN´T HEAR THE WORD "CHANGE" ANYMORE. STOP THIS HOLLOW CRY.......

Now,
good morning from cold, yet sunny Amsterdam.... I am catching up with the stuff written over here..

All this talk about McCain dying in office because he is old and has had skin cancer.My brother died in his sleep,from a heart attack, after he came home from work at the age of 49,and my friends' brother died driving home from work from a massive heart attack at the age of 34.Another freind"s son died at age 41 from sudden heart attack.So why does everyone think Obama is immune because of his age.

Ruth

Posted by: painter | September 14, 2008 5:13 PM

FEAR Ruth. They want to spread fear in the eyes of people. He is "old" so he will die and he "had" cancer, so he will die....And governor Palin will not be equipped to lead. This is the fear card which is being played, unfortunately it has come from BO, so it will not be covred like that in the media.

Hmmm, se that everyone enjoyed the snl skit with SP and HRC. I thought it wans´t all that funny though.... Maybe I didn´t get the humor.

Anyway,
I thought that Michael Phelps and his mom were super. I mean when she said to the other mom: "How many fo your children have gold medals", I just died.....LOL...LOL

This media is entertaining, you gotta give it to them.
They just silenced Joe Biden, and made him a non factor in the race up to this point. John McCain is trying to weasel himself into the campign and some of the time he is lucky... But morover it is a contest between BO and SP...Amazing.
I mean, pick up one tabloid in the US this week without a cover on SP.....They just make us want more, and if you are not strong, you fall into that immediate trap of them.
I mean, quesion the woman on her credentials or merits or whatever you want to call it. I give a rat´s ass if her daughter is accidentally pregnant at the age of 17...... It can happen. But to focus on that, makes her more important then she is.

Anyway, I still think team BO can pull this one off.
It will be interesting. One of the most important moments will be in the VP debate. For sure.....

" On Saudi Arabia "

Only a Brit can say it so gracefully!

http://dotsub.com/view/84f5c72d-b0ba-408c-ace3-8cc40995e011
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~~~ got a lot of smiles & chuckles out of this .. sad that it's all true .. boy, how the mighty have fallen ~~~

viv