Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Jack

Thank you for the article on Sarah Palin- re abortion. You are so good at finding just the right article or
you tube image for the subject..

julie

"Listening to Barack Obama,it can seem like vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin is the main person standing between him and the White House instead of John McCain"
Where's Joe Biden on Sarah Palin?Why is the Dem nominee for Pres.taking on the Rep. VP nominee?Doesn't it make everyone compare the experience of Obama top of the ticket vs Palin 2nd spot on the Rep. ticket?

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyId=5771076&view=HOME&newsgroup=9000&sSect=HOM_1

The news doesn't cover what Biden says about Palin - unless it is some type of gaffe.

I think the Obama campaign probably made the decision that Obama had to take on Palin for a couple of days - get some of the truth out about her record - and then he can move on...

I agree if he spends too much time on her - he is making a mistake.

Warren
Thanks.I just don't ever recall a Pres.nominee taking on a VP nominee. I wish Joe Biden could get some coverage....I can't even find anything written about him on the campaign trail.......

It takes a celebrity to take on a celebrity...

Biden said he would not be attack dog and it was agreed with obama evidently before he took the VP
slot. I just read the article today, but do not know where to find it now.. agree, Obama should leave it to the campaign.. he is only hurting himself. Where is axelrod?
That being said, a debate is something else. Biden has said he is used to dealing and working with women in Senate . He will be firm but not abusive, imo.

Biden said he would not be attack dog and it was agreed with obama evidently before he took the VP
slot. I just read the article today, but do not know where to find it now.. agree, Obama should leave it to the campaign.. he is only hurting himself. Where is axelrod?
That being said, a debate is something else. Biden has said he is used to dealing and working with women in Senate . He will be firm but not abusive, imo.

sorry for the double post. It said to go back and redo.

julie

Random question of the year...Cary Grant was gay?

Why is McCain's teenage daughter allowed to say with impunity that only her family knows war?

If that's the case, why would John McCain sign on to a completely incompetent war plan that Bush put forward? Why did it take him so long to question Rummy? Why was he so nervous that the surge would be a failure?

If Obama said that, there would be a Fox New lynching Posse getting rounded up. Instead Meghan's comment get's little response from the media.

If her statement is true, I guess Rudy really can claim ownership of 9/11

Warren

Did you read the post today about Obama bailing out on Georgia and sending workers to North Carolina.
The above information on the states says a USA poll
Sept 6-8 has McCain leading 52-38.. holy cow, better hope that is just bounce or Obama is toast in NC also.

julie

tonyb39:

Just a little correction, no I'm not a Republican, or a Dem, an Ind, I do admire Pres, Clinton, would have voted for Sen, Clinton, or vp, Gore if he would have run this time. I think he was as prepared as she is, if not more to run this country.I'm looking at Ron Paul pretty, really like his personal history-but probably wil get over it.Swing to the middle lets one look at all around.

tonyb39:

Just a little correction, no I'm not a Republican, or a Dem, an Ind, I do admire Pres, Clinton, would have voted for Sen, Clinton, or vp, Gore if he would have run this time. I think he was as prepared as she is, if not more to run this country.I'm looking at Ron Paul pretty, really like his personal history-but probably wil get over it.Swing to the middle lets one look at all around.

republicans are smart by going what works. maybe obama and biden should campaighn together it might have prevented lipstick on a pig gaffe . axlerod seems off his game i cant believe he and obama didnt talk about lipstick on pig remark before obama said it . this seemed like another one of those too cute by half comments that obama used during the primary

Craig,

You are on to something about Palin having to hold McCain's hand on the trail. There is almost a Driving Mr. Daisy feel to this...

The biggest plus is that McCain no longer appears on state with Lieberman and Lindsay Graham.

At some point I wonder if people will question if McCain has issues to need someone with him all the time. I suspect were someone to question it, they will go back to his 5 solitary years at the Hanoi Hilton...

Bear,

Cary Grant - More or less undecided. Not particularly enthusiastic in either direction.

Jamie,

I was reading a story about Lindsay Lohan and her girlfriend...btw, I hope women take a cue from Lindsay and realize that they look much hotter with a healthy looking weight and curves... anyway, the story talked about how people tend to be older when they come out in Hollywood. Cary Grant and his "roommate" were mentioned in the story...

Funny how most of the hollywood men from the golden age were gay...

Grant was married several times. He roomed with Randolph Scott for an extended period when not married. That was the only "rumor" that got some confirmation. Here is one article about his death.

The only stories I ever heard from out of the studios was that he had tried everything, but just wasn't all that interested and preferred being married.

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/g/Cary%20Grant/cary_grant.htm

Last year while criticizing health proposals from the Democratic presidential candidates, he said Hillary Rodham Clinton’s resembled the failed plan she offered as first lady during the 1990s. ‘‘I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,’’ McCain of her proposal.

What is the process for replacing Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee?

Super blog Craig. I truly feel U....And agree with you 100%. These days every news item in Holland about the election is about Palin Palin palin.
I checked with my mates in the UK and in Singapore and it is all about Palin. The campaign people need not forget the oversea voters who also have a say. And if we see only Palin....they will vote for McCain.

anyway,
Don´t know if this is covered yet, but did anyone see the latest poll numbers from likely independent voters? Enormous upswing for JmC

I am beginning to feel sorry for BO, maybe I should vote for him...But that wouldn´t be correct. I would be voting out of pity.....

but it wasnt after hillary made a lipstick on a pitbull remark

What is the process for replacing Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee?

Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 10, 2008 1:38 AM

LOL
No clue OD... But do not count on it.
Let him be. This is good. Maybe it will purify DNC after this debacle. Heads will roll and DNC will make a fresh new start, with people who actually care for the country. Sometimes we have to fall hard as a country, start form scratch and build on a true and solid foundation.

Bear - the only specific story I ever heard was that Grant was straight but pretty doggone kinky.

Palin is getting attention because she is emphatic. She looks straight in the eye and points her finger and pounds her fist, and says, Yes, I want to do such-n-such. What about it? She doesn't mind her opponents thinking she is un-reasonable.

Obama doesn't have to yell , but he has to get some grit in his voice and be emphatic - and I DON'T mean saying Yes we can. He is too convinced of his own great talent for speaking, which I frankly do not like.

His ramblin' days should be over. He has to sit up straight, not round-shouldered and comfy, and state.

bethyboo,

too many people fear black men who sit up straight and speak with stern voices...

Bear,
I think you could have ended your sentence with men and still have been accurate.

"but it wasnt after hillary made a lipstick on a pitbull remark"

I saw somewhere someone suggest a comparable adage,
"wrap a fish is newspaper and after eight years it still stinks"

Obama could of used that and someone would have tied it to Palin and AK.

It's called looking for an excuse.

This is what Americans want, eh? Yes, this is why I never believed Obama just walks to 1600 in January.
This is the electorate that returned Bush in 2004.
McCain is a blubbering, blundering old fool who relies on his warm-up act to draw rallies. So what? If this is what Americans want, so be it.

Obama is the man we need. I listen to Air America a lot and the hosts there all predict an Obama landslide, but they don't break it down .

Jason..I don't think we can afford to lose this election..supreme court etc...Obama is such a weak candidate...I know replacing him is not practical....but what is the alternative..so many liberal democrats are just as stupid as conservative republicans.

Dexter..Air America is full of fools..the same as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity..Liberal morons are no more acceptable than conservative morons.

Dex,
A week is a lifetime in a campaign like this. I'm not slitting my wrists yet. lol

Dex,
There are several good Electoral College (state) polling sites. Find one and follow it. Thanks be it we elect our prez based on EC not popular vote. I'll be first to admit it's tough sledding ahead.

Here's one I think has good analysis.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

OD,
wake up. We will now tin come NOvember. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but it is just the way it is...
This morning the start of the reverend Wright saga. He got busted for havinfg an affair with a white woman. Well, that will bring up the whole reverend Wright story yet again. The repugs machine is going to start now, and they ( John and Sara) are allready ahead in the polls...
The independents are flocking to JmC, a difference in polling numbers of 15%.. I mean, DNC could´ve seen this coming.

As I Said. The sad thing is that they USED an AA to get rid of the Clintons and now it is all going to blow up in their face. Sadly we AA´s will have to wait for ages to ever get a viable candidate yet again. Thank You to the DNc elite.

Just heard that NC is running away with JmC..... Giving up Georgia probably. Hate to say: I told you so!

Bear - I get your point and agree for the most part, but I don't want him to sound stern. I want him to speak emphatically. Obama speaks so slowly at times that it's almost a drawl, and to me it takes some of the certainty out of what he's saying.

However, while there may be some who fear that stern black man, I think there are many who grant extra credence to that black man. When you referred to that stern black man, I got quite a few mental images
but think Denzel Washington fits the bill best (visually, not personality-wise since I don't know Washington.) Maybe, what I mean is that Obama seems to me to try to soft-soap everything. I very much like that stern black man who sits straight, and think many many people do too. Granted, I would not want to try to cheat him, but that's a good thing.

Anyway, I'm going to vote for him so i want to add my two cents worth to help him get elected.

Lard - don't get mad but you seem a little grumpy after being away for a while. I'm used to your being funny and pretending to be a curmudgen. Anyway, about Ms Palin, I think she is a good choice for repubs because she sets up several opportunities to taunt dems.

After the disgusting behaviour of the dnc and the Obama campaign and msnbc, here come the champs of the "barefoot and pregnant" brigade to show they treat women better than liberal women's lib folk do.
I don't buy that myself, but it was masterful - they now have a chance to say it and use it in an argument. They also have one candidate who talks the evangelical talk, for appearance sake alone.

Also, she puts oomph into a ticket which is really rather
tepid? anemic? lethargic? languid? diluted?

From all I've seen and heard of her, I do not like her one bit. I don't like her interest in putting her religious beliefs into law. I don't like her charge ahead, take no prisoner attitude. I don't like the trade-offs she seems ready to make. Of course, this is all based on the little real info I've been able to come across. Maybe, I'd love her if I knew her - but I suspect not

I just think she was the smartest choice McCain would have made. I hope she doesn't help him win.

I don't like her charge ahead, take no prisoner attitude.

Posted by: bethyboo | September 10, 2008 2:52 AM

Wit this I respectfully disagree. I do like her on that stand. Charging ahead, getting geared up and pushing along. We as a country are staying behind because we are waiting for everyone to come along.
Move ahead....GO! I like that spirit in her.

I'd appreciate her "charge ahead, take no prisoner attitude" if she were a democrat charging ahead against the gop......as she is a typical noodnik gop that kind of attitude is what led us into iraq, abu ghraib, fisa violations, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, ETC ETC ETC.....

vote no on the attitude of Mooseslayer.

by the way.......when dressing a moose.....how does one get the T-shirt over the horns?

Chloe; 4:24 pm ........... Thanks muchly for going to the trouble to look that stuff up for me Chloe......You too Sturge; 4:50 pm..............................

Sturgeone; 4:51 pm ..................." Breakin' up is Hard to Do?" ...................................................

Mr. Crawford; 4:55 pm .............................. I respect Helen Thomas immensely, but I don't believe Biden to be any more qualified to take over than Palin is. I really believe we got screwed in our candidates and their choices this election year.............................

Jason; 1:43 am ................... Jeez, Jason if we only had the time to fail and heal and start again, but we have a war, a mortgage crisis, gas prices, and disrespect around the world, I think it has to be now or never, look how useless this particular congress has been...........

OD; 2:17 am ...................... Oh yes, and in this case, stupidity truly reigns supreme..........................................

Rita

I see Joe is back on MOJO.

Jason; 1:43 am ................... Jeez, Jason if we only had the time to fail and heal and start again, but we have a war, a mortgage crisis, gas prices, and disrespect around the world, I think it has to be now or never, look how useless this particular congress has been...........
Rita

Posted by: politicallypissed | September 10, 2008 5:42 AM

I know, but we haven´t seen rock bottom yet as a country. And I for one, am willing to go rock bottom to start once again. Fresh...The longer we sit back and have these bozo´s up there telling us what to do, the time will never be perfect. There is no perfect time to go through bad times. But we need to stop this turmoil NOW. I am willing ot go the deep end now....

Look not at what the Obama campaign says but what it does. Giving up on States, ignoring polls (now that the trend is adverse), changing tone, Pres to VP candidate attacks, etc.

Rezdog- re: your 2:08 am post

Obama did use the fish adage right after the pig remark--I only saw it once--I don't remember what channel I was watching.

It really doesn't matter how he meant it-It's perception that matters

if the last 8 years are not rock bottom, then rock bottom is going to resemble the reigns of Caligula and Nero.....
NO THANKS........could we please apply some brakes to this slide towards "rock bottom"?

someone let dnd know that "per diem" has nothing to do with God........it simply means "per day"

unless "carpe diem" means "sieze the god", that is.

Rangel Owes U.S. Back Taxes on Villa, Lawyer Says

Way to go, Charlie.

Once again you have shown yourself to be a good citizen and public servent. Multiple rent controlled apartments, and now the failure to pay taxes on income from his beachfront house at the Punta Cana resort the Dominican Republic.

Craig, How about a column on Biden's abduction? Can we put his picture on milk cartons or send out an Amber Alert?

Bowman & Tony

Three articles on Biden . Debate strategy, and further down the page 2 other articles.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Julie

I have little sympathy for the Obama campaign. They managed to smear the Clintons probably for life as racists. They had MSNBC hammering away for months on his opponents. Payback is a bitch isn't it!
However since Mathews devoted his whole show yesterday to how terrible Palin is and what a liar --I have faith they will overturn any advantage Palin has very shortly.

Biden's abduction would probably wind up much like "The Ransom of Red Chief" by wm sydney porter........

Team BHO and his surrogates are trying to slime Palin with false stories. These falsehoods have become known as The Sliming of Palin, and now these lies and distortions have been corrected:

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

"Chuck stand-up, stand up Chuck."

Didn't Biden know that Chuck was in a wheel chair?

BHO remarks yesterday about pigs and lip stick. Now maybe he wasn't referring to Sarah Palin, but the crowd who was listening to his speech were very silent up until that phrase was said, then they erupted in laughter and applause. I think BHO knew what he was saying, and knew that catch line would get the reaction it did. That phrase has always been directed toward females some consider trailer trash.

Everytime the D's do this is just another reminder to all females of the similar treatment they showed towards HRC. Seems the Team BHO has issues with strong females assuming top positions.

sturgeone

"The Ransom of Red Chief" by wm sydney porter........

LOL

Lipstick on pigs is all the rage and yet NO ONE but Craig is talking about the Willie Horton racist ad that McCain is running in MI?

Some one in here, I think it may have been Chloe, said Obama played the race card so often that people no longer care about being called racist. The fact is the GOPs NEVER care abut being called racist -- they even take it on a matter of PRIDE. As in, "Hey, I know it's not PC to say so, but most crime is committed by blacks." (CLARIFICATION -- These are NOT the views that I hold -- I am using this as an example of some of the milder racist comments I've heard from GOPs.)

Welcome to the mean and meaner season of the GOP.

"However since Mathews devoted his whole show yesterday to how terrible Palin is and what a liar"

I think anything that comes out of the mouth of Matthews can be viewed as suspect and being heavily tilted towards Team BHO. Matthews' unfounded accusations and half truths will only help to sink Team BHO deeper and deeper in the tar pit they have created with their simple minded, scurrilous attacks on Palin.

We're still talking about lipstick and the McCain camp is running ads that accuse BO of teaching sex to kindergardeners?

The goal of doing all these ugly ads is to suppress the vote Low voter turnout =GOP Victory

"The fact is the GOPs NEVER care abut being called racist -- they even take it on a matter of PRIDE."

Can I get you a broader brush to paint every R? I think you might have missed a few over there in the corner.

Lets not forget who was Willie "The Murder/Rapist" Horton:

* On June 6, 1986, convicted murderer Willie Horton was released from the Northeastern Correctional Center in Concord. Under state law, he had become eligible for an unguarded, 48-hour furlough. He never came back.

* Horton showed up in Oxon Hill, Maryland, on April 3, 1987. Clifford Barnes, 28, heard footsteps in his house and thought his fiancée had returned early from a wedding party. Suddenly Willie Horton stepped out of the shadows with a gun. For the next seven hours, Horton punched, pistol-whipped, and kicked Barnes – and also cut him 22 times across his midsection.

* When Barnes' fiancée Angela returned that evening, Horton gagged her and savagely raped her twice. Horton then stole Barnes' car, and was later chased by police until captured.

* On October 20, 1987, Horton was sentenced in Maryland to two consecutive life terms plus 85 years. The sentencing judge refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, "I'm not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released. This man should never draw a breath of free air again."

* Variations of this story were repeated on several occasions in Massachusetts. Confessed rapist John Zukoski, who had brutally beaten and murdered a 44 year-old woman in 1970, became eligible for furloughs and was eventually paroled in 1986. A few months later he was arrested and indicted yet again for beating and raping a woman.

* The Massachusetts inmate furlough program actually began under Governor Francis Sargent in 1972. But in 1976 Governor Dukakis vetoed a bill to ban furloughs for first-degree murderers. It would, he said, "Cut the heart out of inmate rehabilitation."

* The program, in essence, released killers on an "honor system" to see if they would stay out of trouble. On the average, convicts who had been sentenced to "life without parole" spent fewer than 19 years in prison. By March 1987, Dukakis had commuted the sentences of 28 first-degree murderers.

* Of over 80 Massachusetts convicts listed as escaped and still at large, only four had actually "escaped." The rest simply walked away from furloughs, prerelease centers and other minimum-security programs. These convicts included murderers, rapists, armed robbers and drug dealers.

* First-degree murderer Armand Therrien was transferred from a medium security prison to a minimum-security one, which made him eligible for a work-release program. He walked off and vanished in December 1987.

* When citizens began to protest, Dukakis and his aides defended the program relentlessly. One commissioner stated that furloughs were a "management tool" to help the prisons. Unless a convict had hope of parole, he argued, "we would have a very dangerous population in an already dangerous system." But, critics wondered, if armed guards can't control dangerous killers inside locked cells, how are unarmed citizens supposed to deal with them?

* It was through the efforts of a grassroots organization, Citizens Against Unsafe Society, that the issue was finally brought before the people. With mounting pressure from his own aides to sign a bill ending the program – for fear that it would hurt his presidential campaign – Dukakis signed the legislation in April of this year.

Fry -- where is your sense of outrage for the scurrilous attacks on Obama and DEMs? A purposefully racist ad attempting to connect BO to the indicted mayor of Detroit? A completely FALSE ad about teaching sex to kindergardeners?

These are not just one liners and badly used analogies -- these are purposeful, intentional and RACIST ads to make a black candidate looks like a scary lawbreaker and pedophile sex offender.

FRY -- Your McCain GOP Team is DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY.

Julia
Thanks for the politico links!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/hillary-to-the-rescue-not.html#comment-141982

Chloe
I got it thanks!
Pogo THANKYOU!

Governor Michael Dukakis believed that it was "rehabilitative" for prisoners to be allowed to roam the streets unsupervised in what was known as the Prison Furlough Program. This is how Willie Horton ended up in Oxon Hill, Maryland.

Just another fine example of how Liberals treat criminals, they reward them with special privileges, as they will always have a 'want some nice milk and cookie' excuse for granting such privileges. Criminal such as Horton should have never been released. Under Dukakis rehabilitation plan he was released unsupervised and allowed to commit other vicious crimes.

FRY -- Willie Horton has NOTHING to do with THIS Campaign in 2008. Why in the world are you bringing it up?

If it looks like a racist, talks like a racist and walks like a racist it's a racist. Is that what you are Fry? Is that what you want to be known for? Or do you even care? If you don't care, then I guess that gives you the liberty to go around spraying your racist venom.

The corrupt Mayor of Detroit was a big backer of BHO. BHO has associated with a number of questionable associates throughout his life, from racist religious ministers, to unrepentant bomb throwing radicals, to scrupulous entrepreneurs. It can't all be a matter of just bad luck, just a coincidence, there is something about the makeup of these individuals BHO finds attractive.

Fry,

Just when I thought Biden was lost, he shows up. Confirming his proclivity for gaffs.

It is too bad Chuck didn't stand up. If he had, Biden could claim to heal the lame.

Has anyone heard that Sen McCain gave Mrs Clinton a substantial sum to help retire her campaign debt?

Alice,

You brought up Willie Horton, and the GOP. I just reminding everyone who Willie Horton was and how he was allowed to walk out of prison unsupervised. I know the truth is hard to take, but Willie Horton was allowed out of prison to rape that poor woman and pistol beat her boyfriend under the then Gov. of MA rehabilitation program. Here is the the 1988 GOP ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9j6Wfdq3o

Oh and Alice the first person to mention the Dukakis' get out of prison weekend pass was, Al Gore. It is not racist to put a face with a murder/rapist, who was allowed out to commit other heinous crimes.

Fry -- McCain hires the lobbyists of dictators, torturers and terrorists to work on his campaign: Charlie Black, Doug Davenport, Doug Goodyear, Tom Loeffler to name a few of McCains associates.

Of course we can't forget the hate-preachers Rod Parsley and John Hagee.

I'm glad to see that Al Franken prevailed in his contest. Used wisely, humor can be a terrific tool.

Will he become a 21st century Will Rodgers?

"Sen McCain gave Mrs Clinton a substantial sum to help retire her campaign debt?"

Maybe HRC got tired of waiting for BHO to deliver on his promise? But seriously why would JM's campaign give HRC money when they just started to collect a substantial war chest to hold them through the next 50 some days of this election? That really doesn't make much sense...unless HRC has some sort of pay back in mind for Team BHO. Ohhhhhhhhhh wouldn't that be interesting.

I do think JM would consider her, at least extend the opportunity, to be part of his cabinet. Unlike BHO who never consider her, let alone extend her the opportunity to be his VP.

"She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

THEN WHY WERE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY LEADERSHIP FOR AIP SAYING SHE WAS ONE OF THEM? WHAT ABOUT HER HUSBAND?

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

SHE WORE THE PIN AS A COURTESY? IF DAVID DUKE WAS IN TOWN AS A CANDIDATE DOES SHE WEAR THAT PIN AS A COURTESY TOO? DOES THAT MEAN SHE SUPPORTS THE MIDDLE CLASS AS A COURTESY TOO?

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." "

YOU ARE TEACHING @#$# SCIENCE, HOW DOES ONE TEACH A BIBLICAL STORY AS SCIENCE? WHY STOP AT CREATIONISM? WHY NOT MAKE UP SOME "LAW" ABOUT HOW TO CONVERT WATER TO WINE, RESURRECT LAZURUS, OR HOW JESUS COULD ALTER MATTER AND REPLICATE THE 6 FISH AND 2 LOAVES OF BREAD? SOUNDS LIKE A STAR TREK PLOT...MUST BE SCIENCE.

It is too bad Chuck didn't stand up. If he had, Biden could claim to heal the lame.

Posted by: Bowmanc | September 10, 2008 8:15 AM

LOL.....This one is good.

Bowmanc,

Never count-out Biden for some real gaffs. lol

When Joe's lips start a flapping, there is no telling what will roll out.

Anybody see Obama last night with Bill O'Reilly?

He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't that great either. I don't see the appearance giving him a boost. The biggest plus is that now he can say he went head to head with O'Reilly. If he hadn't gone on he would have been called "chicken"

Fry, I was led to believe that it was done out of friendship.

Has anyone heard that Sen McCain gave Mrs Clinton a substantial sum to help retire her campaign debt?

Posted by: Flatus | September 10, 2008 8:16 AM

I truly hope it is not true. But if it is, it is another jab to BO..... Can someone hopefully clear this statement....

Caught some snippets from BO´s speach yesterday. I have to say, he is indeed improving without the teleprompter. He look smore at ease, not worrying too much.... Good!!

Frydaddy,

As long as the face is White, Republicans are okay with the crimes. Just look at theMcCain advisor Phil Gramm's connection to the sub prime mess or high fuel prices for example.

Millions have lost their homes because of him and there is not one iota of outrage from Republicans until it cost them investment money.

Willie Horton does a despicable act and it still resonates today.

I really am excited for the McCain ad of just 30 seconds, it will be like the Budweiser Rabbits and it will just be...

Ni...iiig....errrrr Niiiig iiiiiii....gerrrrr

Bowman,

"Anybody see Obama last night with Bill O'Reilly?"

I hope they did. I posted this 3 times yesterday so all the BHO supporters could watch their guy in action..

BHO can not answer those questions truthfully so what he does is reinterpets the question to something he can supply an answer to, but he never answers the questions that were asked.

What I find very odd about his appearance last night was all these questions O'Riley asked of BHO, have been brought up before by O'Riley as questions he would like to ask BHO for the last several months when they were trying to get BHO to come on his show. So Team BHO knew what questions BHO was going to be asked. And you can tell he knew the questions because of the lack of "ahs" and "uhs' in his answers. BHO as we all have observed, doesn't do well with spontaneous questions he hasn't been prep for, and that is why there will be no Town Hall Meetings.

Look at what Jamie caught last night
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/its-vote-counting-time-tonight.html#comment-142374

Looks like someone from CNN hangs around here for their internet fix.
BTW, I've started watching the CNN election coverage, they have really improved their product imo. More real discussion and less of the talking heads shouting past each other. If you are out there keep up the good work.

Jack

"so what he does is reinterpets the question to something he can supply an answer to, but he never answers the questions that were asked. "

LOL

Fry, So?

I could put McCains name at the front of that sentence and it would be just as true. Or any other person running for an office higher than dog catcher.

Jack

Flatus,

"Fry, I was led to believe that it was done out of friendship."

Well that maybe as I do believe those 2 do have a true friendship, so there may be something to to that.

And I do believe JM would ask her to be part of his cabinet. She would prove a great resource.

Jack,

Except BHO does it all the time. After all he is a lawyer, and lawyers because of their training/education never answer a question flat out unless the ball is a slow pitch right down the middle and they can hit out of the park. Lawyer speak, a language unto its own.

mornin' all.

Lipstick on a pig?? Good god. How stupid does McCain think the voters are? Oh, wait, incredibly stupid. OK, John, listen closely. Obama was referring to Palin as the lipstick on the pig that is your campaign. Now your campaign is a pig with lipstick. Get it?

Bowman, I can't understand why Obama thought he could get any benefit from going onto O'Reilly's show. Fox's audience is not going to vote for him fuhchrissake, and going into the belly of the beast just to be slapped around strikes me as boneheaded.

Fry, nice cut/paste on the Horton stuff. Is Dukakis running? I missed that.

A new political campaign slogan for BHO.

"BHO for POTUS.
Fake it, till you make it.
It worked for me"

Fry, you'll excuse me if I'm less than impressed by the Willie Horton account from the forerunner. From their site:

"The Forerunner is a grass-roots organization which is dedicated to the training of student interns to produce media. The Forerunner assumes an explicitly biblical worldview. Our long term goal is to bring all types of media under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. We are Christians who desire to see the kingdom of God advanced in the world through the media. In short, our goal is to help fulfill the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20) through the printed word."

I think they have an agenda.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142494

LOL
Fry is in rare form today

Jack

Pogo

I suspect they even have an agenda within the Christian world. I bet they can point to who is going to heaven or hell.

Jack

"However he is more informed and far more intelligent than I.."
Posted by: julie young | September 9, 2008 10:32 PM

It always surprises me when I hear intelligent people say that. (and it's often). It seems that the wisest people don't know how smart they are.

Julie, you are very well informed and intelligent too, like Jack. Even more important, though, you are very kind (like Jack).

I always appreciate and enjoy your posts.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142407

Tony, your 12:2 post makes so much sense.

"He has to sit up straight, not round-shouldered and comfy, and state."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142431

Yes, Bethy. It's called passion.

"It really doesn't matter how he meant it-It's perception that matters"
Posted by: ubns | September 10, 2008 6:12 AM

Truer words were never spoken ubns.

About the Michigan ad, anybody who can't see the racist aspects of that ad are operating on half a brain. It is so crudely done that I'm certain the McCain campaign doesn't approve of it.
But it is a problem for all fair minded
republicans. As granny said , "If you sleep with the dogs you wake up with fleas." The Republicans can't seem to kick the racist to the curb.

Jack

Fry,

I don't know if you're still here, but I also think Obama knew exactly what he was saying yesterday about pigs and lip stick. It fits right into the same mo he used, during the Primary, against Hillary. To expect (all) women to think that is funny or appropriate is unbelievable. We all know exactly what he meant with his 'little joke'. He isn't even trying to get to know the rest of the electorate.

Meet the Real Sarah Palin blog, has a poll about the pig and lipstick comment, you can vote here.

http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/campaign-rhetoric-hits-new-low-with.html

It is common practice to link your opponant to unsavory characters. You should hear the Shaheen ad in New Hampshire against Sununu. It has a clip of Bush repeating over and over "John Sununu stood with me ...."

Is it a smear, of course, that what it is for. Make people not want to vote for Sununu.

to try to put the librarian firing issue to rest, here's the anchoarge daily news article on it - the most comprehensive on I've seen.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html

She ultimately didn't fire the librarian - she sent her a termination letter then relented and let her keep her job after the town supported the librarian. The fact is she wanted to censor the library, the librarian refused to go along, she sent her a termination letter, then let her keep the job in response to the citizens' pressure. And she didn't actually censor the library - at least there's no evidence of that. She just wanted to.

Craig...thanks for the state by state poll tracking numbers...almost frightening if they are to be believed. Also, virgin posting on that site...I left a message.

pogo,

You mean the Willie Horton crime wave post. Yep, must confess I did, was just to long to type out.

Dukakis running? God lets hope the only place he is running is to the bathroom. Actually it was Alice who brought up the Willie Horton issue not I. I just wanted to remind everyone who Willie "The Murder/Rapist" Horton was. Wanted to show once again the Liberal idiocy when the coddle criminals such as Will Horton.

The lipstick on a pig was said yesterday and if you listed to the crowd they were silent until that phrase was spoken by the enlighten-one, and then the goobers erupted with laughter and loud cheering. This is nothing more than Team BHO code, silly and moronic, in an attempt to paint Sarah as trailer trash. Problem is, it is back firing on him. See Team BHO doesn't care if its HRC, or Sarah Palin, the fact is they are females and both are more qualified than he is, so he must try to destroy them.

Sorry about all these post at once.
It just took me a long time to catch up.

"I have little sympathy for the Obama campaign. They managed to smear the Clintons probably for life as racists."
Posted by: jane | September 10, 2008 7:05 AM

Jane, Actually I think the Obama campaign managed to smear the Obama campaign for life.

"She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142460

You mean like in 'Free Speech"?

Jack, that's one scary website. A man who know the truth and god's mind.

"an attempt to paint Sarah as trailer trash."

Actually Fry, I'd go one step further.
An attempt to paint all women (who don't agree with him) as trailer trash.

This is beginning to unwind for Obama/Biden unless they answer the attacks from McCain's campaign. I bet they rue every day that they did not pick Hillary. As someone pointed out on MSNBC this morning, Senator Obama's sit down with President Clinton will perhaps bring him some wisdom some a terrific campaigner if he will take the advice of the Master Campaigner.

Freedom's Defense Fund -- the producer of the racist ad in Michigan is a 527 working on behalf of McCain.

Morning... Quick post then off to the airport....

Nice job Pogo to get to the facts.

There was no censorship at the library. This is one of those learning experience events for Palin or anyone that is in executive position – which is why even being a small town mayor is valuable.

Palin is a tough cookie –
So in the end those that try to spin this as a negative are going to find it biting them in the Backend.

Palin will make it happen
and is already making things happen in Craig’s A rated post of the morning!!

Fry -- Craig Crawford brought up the Wllie Horton comparison several threads back. My point is that everyone is screaming about a stupid comment about lipstick yet the McCain people can get away with blatantly racist ads.

And it's ALICIA, not Alice.

I see Rev. Wright is back in the news.

Morning all.

The hypocrisy of Palin and the rest of the GOP's "small-town America" rhetoric is skewered in today's Thomas Frank (The Tilting Yard) column in the WSJ.

Best section comes as Frank describes all the shrinking, deserted and boarded up Main Streets that can be found by simply driving west from Kansas City.

"And eventually you will ask yourself, how did this happen? Did Hollywood do this? Was it those 'reporters and commentators' with their fancy college degrees who wrecked Main Street?

No. For decades now we have been electing people like Sarah Palin who claimed to love and respect the folksy conservatism of small towns, and yet who have unfailingly enacted laws to aid the small town's mortal enemies.

Without raising an antitrust finger they have permitted fantastic concentration in the various industries that buy the farmer's crops. They have undone the New Deal system of agricultural price supports in favor of schemes called 'Freedom To Farm' and loan deficiency payments -- each reform apparently designed to secure just one thing out of small town America: Cheap commodities for the big food processors....

But [John McCain] seems to think that small-town people can be easily played. Just choose a running mate who knows how to skin a moose and all will be forgiven. Drive them off the land, shutter their towns, toss their life chances into the grinder of big agriculture...and praise their values."

Awesome stuff. Sorry for the excerpt instead of the link, but Frank's column is in the walled-off part of wsj.com and available only to online subscribers.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142502

Chloe -- Your guy John McCain used the same dumb lipstick on a pig analogy when he referred to HRC's health care plan. Are you not upset about that?

Well, Fry, I was offended by what I saw as misogynistic crap from the BHO camp against Hillary in the primaries, but I didn't take the lipstick comment as being that - I rather saw it as a pretty cute turn of her own reference to lipstick on hockey moms. Frankly, I don't get it - Palin's a feisty woman, but she certainly can't be considered by any thinking person to be qualified to be POTUS - the only job that the VPOTUS is constitutionally required to be able to do. Running Wasilla for a while and Alaska for less than 2 years hardly qualifies anyone to be POTUS, and she doesn't seem to have the underlying experience outside those jobs to fill the bill.

It is really scary that this gun loving, creationist promoter, liar on the bridge to nowhere, extremist on abortion, ANWR drilling woman has so many people excited about her prospect to be VP.

I guess this country is so enamored by the thought of having a woman in or near the White House that they would vote for someone who didn't even leave the country until 2007, committed fraud with her per diem charges the first 19 months as governor and is so unready to be VP that she has to be TRAINED BEFORE SHE IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE PRESS. THIS COUNTRY IS IN BIG TROUBLE !!!!!!

Yeah Lard. But what do you think?

Good morning Alicia.

John McCain is not my guy.

Bear and Alicia,

Great comments this a.m. I imagine that the nasty GOP ads will energies the Obama supporters. I know that many new young voters , are truly disgusted as this is their first exposure.

They have been taught how great this country and political process is and now they are bing exposed to the dirty under belly. It has them revved up! and more determined to win!

The audacity of youth... more power to them. : )

Chloe...LOL

As the chairman and CEO of Cargill Inc. (okay, so you found me out) I totally disagree with Mr. Frank's analysis.

You making fun of me Lard?

LL - great post. Wasilla is reportedly making the move to big box stores, starting with Target. That move started here 20 years ago, and now we have a boarded up main street with the storefronts that are actually still open consisting of about a half dozen stores that actually sell something - everything else is a bar, a government building, a law office, an accountant's office or a insurance office. Hell, the only jewlery store is a pawn shop - and it's on a side street.

Not at all Chloe. I was laughing along with your quip about "what I really think" after quoting such a passionate column.

Lib,
To date we have never elected anyone like Sarah Palin to the executive office.

The article is garbage based on this point alone

The McCain campaign dropped a dirty bomb in the form of Palin into the election fray...and Obama cannot face his first crisis.

We have lived in the best of times...and we are headed for the worst....be scared, be prepared. The general election of 2008 is upon us!

Lard,
I really just meant that we haven't heard enough from you in your own words lately. I miss that.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Obama-Lipstick.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Speaking of lipstick ....

pogo,

"I think they have an agenda"

OK I never said they didn't have an agenda, but that doesn't mean what they have presented isn't correct. Now maybe you have some additional insight into the Willie "The Murder/Rapist" Horton issue that you would like to share with us to correct the record. What did this organization say that was wrong?

Hey i know: Was Willie was just a good guy who just happened to get mixed-up with the wrong people, or did he come from a broken family, or maybe a single parent family, or did he have to sleep with numerous people in the same bed, or did he come from a financially challenge family, or did he not complete school, or did he have to do work at home. What was his excuse for turning into a murder and rapist? I am sure it had to be something really special. Problem with that is not everyone who comes from such conditions resorts to criminal activity to justify their very existence.

I always marvel at Liberal think. Always trying to find some excuse to blame on society for the perverted/heinous actions of the maggot scum, and then a way to reward them.

The problem that Obama has with the lipstick comment is that he has no room to manuver because of the sexist campaign against HRC. It is coming back to bite him in the backside. The McCain campaign is playing hardball at the majorleague level. The Obama campaign is starting to look like the rookie phenom, who just discovered he can't hit a curve ball.
The world series isn't the place to find this out.

Jack

Fry

You are lost in the eighties.

Jack

Just like the mortgage/housing crisis...did anyone see this election coming? All of these brillant leaders and not one who can take us out of this mess. Losers leading losers. Sad, but perhaps the truth.

As I have posted before, I feel there was a hunger for a women in politics and the dems just keep us on a diet of black men. And here we are in September, sneaking bites from the repugs because we hate our current diet. Now we are bloated and guilty....and how is Obama going to raise money now? Who the hell am I going to vote for in November?

I see Rev. Wright is back in the news.

Posted by: Bowmanc | September 10, 2008 9:34 AM

YES!
That old ghost is not going away.
As a pastor he had an affair with a married white woman.
Who called who racist? Wasn´t it Wright who referred to the clintons as white elites who don´t give a crap about the black community? This is one sad story.... I am once again ashamed of one of my felloow AA+s....
oooooooooo when will we learn....OMG....

Chloe -- Your guy John McCain used the same dumb lipstick on a pig analogy when he referred to HRC's health care plan. Are you not upset about that?

Posted by: Alicia Knight | September 10, 2008 9:35 AM

100% true....He did. Again one sad puppy.....No w he screams fire and hell when BO repepats the words....

Oh. Okay, Chloe...I get it now. Thanks for the compliment! Mostly I've just been enjoying Craig's posts and the back and forth in the comments lately. But I'll try to get up enough steam to come up with some original thoughts today. LOL!

Ping, I don't think you can argue that making big-business even bigger, consolidation and efficiency of scale, promoting global free markets, etc. etc. are all staples of the GOP economic vision. I think Frank is just pointing out that the forces unleashed by those priorities have also had a lot to do with the decline of small-town America. You can of course make a strong case for the merits of all of the above, as the GOP is quick to do. But for the party to then turn around and brush itself into the backdrop of a Norman Rockwell painting every election is a bit much. As in hypocritical. That's all he's saying.

Perhaps, the lipstick comment was aimed at John Edwards? Rev. Wright?

Mr. O is so off topic.

Pogo,

"Palin's a feisty woman, but she certainly can't be considered by any thinking person to be qualified to be POTUS"

But you are all out for BHO for POTUS. WOW. How then do you justify this do nothing, no nothing (ET that means empty suit), to be at the head of the D ticket. Other than maybe his checkbook, what finical projects has he ever submitted and had to balance, what jobs has he ever created using tax payer money, what executive decisions has he ever made? BHO is the most unprepared, ill equipped person to run for POTUS of the US since my great great great great great great grandfather Jame Buchanan.

Fry, you're making a leap that most liberals don't make. That's still true in some circles, but overall that's just crap held over from the bygone era of the hippies. Willie Horton was a bad dude who should never have been let out of prison on a furlough. The 70s saw a huge influx of prisoners thanks in large part to drug busts, and there were many different programs that sought to address the overcrowding of prisons and come up with fresh approaches to rehabilitation instead of just punishment. They weren't limited to nice young white kids who sent to prison for selling pot, but they also weren't all liberal or put in place by liberals and they weren't all as extreme as MA's. The biggest push back then was from the APA, that was establishing Correctional Psych Master's Degree programs in the universities. They obviously were looking at cause of crime as well as rehabilitation of prisoners - go figure. Some states, like MA, set up model programs based on the psych theories the APA was basing those programs on, but they were by and large pilot programs and they weren't all that numerous. I don't understand why you (I know you didn't bring it up initially) or anyone else would bring up Willie Horton other than as an example of the beginning of political attack ads as we recognize them today. Froma corrections perspective, substantively it has no relevance whatever to the contest between Obama and McCain. Oh, and btw, Gore (can we agree he's a liberal?) never mentioned Willie Horton when he was talking about Dukakis and Massachusetts' furlough program in '88. That fell to GHWB.

Jack,

"Fry

You are lost in the eighties.

Jack"

??? OK not sure I understand that, but OK.
Now had you said 50's I totally agree with you.

Jason

He is screaming because it works. Silly liberals go into explanation mode instead of just laughing at it.

Proper response "If Sarah Palin is that frail she needs to go back to Alaska. This is the big leagues and brush backs are to be expected"

Jack

Chloe -- Your guy John McCain used the same dumb lipstick on a pig analogy when he referred to HRC's health care plan. Are you not upset about that?

Posted by: Alicia Knight | September 10, 2008 9:35 AM

100% true....He did. Again one sad puppy.....No w he screams fire and hell when BO repepats the words....

Posted by: Jason | September 10, 2008 10:06 AM

You would expect McCain to say something this stupid, but Mr. o diminished himself in repeating the McCain phrase. This like his 'clinging to guns and religion' phrases will haunt him long before halloween. We live in a sound bite world and these expressions will end-up on a t-shirt.

BW,

NO ONE....
Like me. Vote for no one if no one appeals to you. Break free of wanting to feel sorry, because U are a democrat.
What has DNC done for you in the past decade?
For me and my family? NONE!
We have worked are asses off to get that plastic barbie wannabe in the house as speaker and the repayment was quite nice. NOT....
People need to wake the fuck up and start voting for a person, and anyone will do...As long as he or she is the one that in your eyes is bringing the change you want. if it is Bo?fine. If it is McKinney? fine. If it is JmC? fine...If it is no one? fine also..
But vote your conscience, do not vote for a party out of tradition or obligation. We are in the new milelnnium...These things do not longer hold up...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142542

You repeat that enough times, people are going to begin to believe he really is my guy. :) He's not.

Fry, Jack...LOL.

So do you guys think Eisenhower is going to go for a second term? He seems kind of bored with the job.

"start voting for a person, and anyone will do..."

Jason

Spoken like a true independent. You are starting to get this Independent thing down. ;-)

Jack

Fry, I didn't support him as head of the ticket - in large part for those reasons. I vote issues when that is where the candidates differ. HRC and Obama didn't differ much on the issues - so I supported HRC based on her experience. Obama and McCain differ tremendously on the issues, so experience is not my touchstone in this election, although I have to say I'm glad Biden's around. You can fault him for many things, but he has experience. I don't think executive experience in the sense of running a state or a business is necessary for a president - and I doubt that anyone could point to a president who had to balance his own checkbook, much less the nation's. I think thye have staff that does that stuff. It might be helpful to understand the office, but I'm not convinced even of that. But neither do I want to see McCain bring us more Bushonomics and neoconservative military foreign policy. On those issues alone, I'll take Obama over McCain.

Jason...I am a registered indie who has voted dem most of her entire life. It will be hard for me to sit on my hands during the election, but maybe I can have fun with that!

I really feel Mr. o doesn't hold women in high regard and I have not heard one issue from him that will help me in this new millenium.

LL

I'm gonna vote Goldwater so we can just nuke all those viet cong, Settle this war once and for all. That will get us the respect we deserve.

Jack

Pogo...what about the dems in the house and senate? Why can't they stop the White House? Why haven't the dems taken out Bush in the two years they have been in power? I am not convinced the dems have our best interests in mind! Or ar they so ineffective at their jobs? It hit home when Ted Kennedy passed the baton...only problem he has been working for over forty years on the same issues and very little accomplished for his paid work on behalf of the little people. Talk about celebrity. Maybe term limits are the answer since inexperience is highlighted in this campaign.

CRANK IT UP!!

The CERN successfully test fired today.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Big-Bang.html

Must go to work...running late, but enjoying the posts.

"It will be hard for me to sit on my hands during the election, but maybe I can have fun with that!"

Blondie, I suppose that depends on what you're doing with your hands while you sit on them. LOL Sorry, couldn't resist.

well, one thing for certain, many of us here can use this phrase in November.

I told you so!

Pogo...I am glad you caught my playful reference...

Blondie, I believe the answer to your question about what's wrong with the dems in the house and senate is lack of gumption in the leaders. In short, they are scared to do anything that will look weak on security, and since they don't have the votes for an override of a Bush veto on most issues, they just go along and don't force the issues they should force. They are collectively a disgrace, and I hope neither Nan nor Harry will be in their leadership positions in the next congress.

Lissen, blondie - a veiled sexual reference is seldom lost on me. If you can't get your mind in the gutter, you won't be chatting with me. Have a good day at work (well, you know what I mean).

The biggest plus is that McCain no longer appears on state with Lieberman and Lindsay Graham.

Posted by: Bear

With 9/11 a day away I must say I spent most of my life in NYC and the threat posed by terrorists with nuclear weapons is germane to say the least, and unlike the ignored warnings voiced prior to the Twin Towers attack, NYPD have a special navel Police unit checking incoming cargo with advanced radiation detectors. NYC police are very aware that the terrorist thread is very real and yet most dems dismiss this threat as fear mongering. If Obama had just half the security background and strength of character of the universally beloved Joe Lieberman I would support Obama in a nano second.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain
toast

Pat Buchanan on Imus just said Obama's comment about "lipstick on a pig" had his adoring crowd standing up and cheering {Wellstone Memorial comes to mind} gave the inference that "Sarah is white trash." How will this unite us as a people? Both Imus and Buchanan thought Obama's gaffe made him a magnet for ridicule and would alienate the very voters he seeks.

Thank you Dean, Brazile and the DNC
toast

toast, I disagree with them. If that comment alienates voters, they are too stupid to be electing our leaders.

BW

Last night on CNN they were talking about mthe disarray of the Obama campaign. Some one said that the HRC people must be saying amoung them selves "told you so"

Jack

Jack.

Told you so.

" they are too stupid to be electing our leaders. " -pogo

hence the two terms for Bush.....they have proven their stupidity more than once.

Pogo,

"Oh, and btw, Gore (can we agree he's a liberal?) never mentioned Willie Horton when he was talking about Dukakis and Massachusetts' furlough program in '88."

So what is worse? The liberal program that allowed Horton out on furlough or the crimes Horton committed while on his 48 furlough? I say the program, because without the program being in existence Horton would not have been allowed out on a 48 hour furlough.

As far a Gore, as I originally stated Gore was the first to mention Dukakis furlough program. The fact that GHWB had a campaign ad showing who this thug was is fair game. The fact that he is Black, is just that, Horton was Black and in 1987 he committed several violent criminal acts while out on a 48 hour furlough. I know Liberals find this disturbing, but It is not racist to show mug shots, and if you watch local TV much, you will see a similar thing occurring nightly, but it isn't racist on part of the TV station, it is what it is.

Here in Charlotte the leaders of the Black community wish this wasn't the case, they have tried numerous ways working within the community, civic leaders, the Mayors office, with the police, to correct the problem, but crime in the Black community is staggering. It is not racist, it is a fact of life. And to further illustrate my point you need only look to the % how many Blacks will not be allowed to vote because of their felonious criminal background.

There are more White criminals to be sure, but as a % of race there are more Black criminals. There are numerous proven ways to correct this failing situation, but this would cause the ACLU to have multiple conniptions.

I'am out of here. I've been spending thlast several days getting my fatherin laws papers together. We are trying to get him into assisted living. It is very hard on the wife.

Got to talk to some more Insurance companies. They had over half a dozen different life insurance policies.

Jack

@ Jack.... True dat brother. Happy to be one. The more I see it form an indy side, the more happy I am. I made a wise decision.....

@BW: I honestly do think that he holds women in high regard. I really do. The problem is is that he is a puppet being used by the leute who have lost their shot and somehow want to redeem themsleves. On the other hand, If Michelle had an ounce of decency she would tell him to take back the lipstick comment. It is degrading....

Feeling threadish?

Today on blistersyeahbutchannel

George Bernard Shaw: I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

pogo, I agree with you but the images of Obama's hysterical fans like Wellstone's will due the damage. Regarding your comment "too stupid to be electing our leaders," as a Hillary supporter I was told much the same on this blog.

regards
toast

Pogo
back at ya
I told you so

lol
got to get our fun where we can

Jack

"If that comment alienates voters, they are too stupid to be electing our leaders."
Posted by: pogo | September 10, 2008 10:38 AM

pogo,

Surely you most know that comment represents a larger problem. Can't you see he's missing the point. He's not acting like a leader. He wants to be President to some of the people, not all the people. Those people that so many demean, by calling them 'stupid' need a president too. And their vote is just as important as yours. So shouldn't he be reaching out to everyone. Or are you saying he should only talk to those you deem intelligent enough to deserve his audience.

pogo,

The CERN successfully test fired today.

People need to see the pictures of this machine, it looks as if it came straight out of a Star Wars, and there are 4 of these monsters. When you look at it is is impossible to explain what it is you are looking at. Really an amazing piece of engineering.

Both Imus and Buchanan thought Obama's gaffe made him a magnet for ridicule and would alienate the very voters he seeks.

Posted by: Milquetoast | September 10, 2008 10:35 AM

Exactly.....
Look for this comment to become the next " clinging to guns line" that nearly killed him in the primaries.
Just saw that this coment is now headlining our news here in Holland. For those who can read the online www.telegraaf.nl

@BW: I honestly do think that he holds women in high regard. I really do. The problem is is that he is a puppet being used by the leute who have lost their shot and somehow want to redeem themsleves. On the other hand, If Michelle had an ounce of decency she would tell him to take back the lipstick comment. It is degrading...."

Jason, Someone needs to tell him.
His mouth gets him in more trouble as each day passes.

I don't think he holds anyone in high regard though. Except himself and his.

toast, I disagree with them. If that comment alienates voters, they are too stupid to be electing our leaders.

Posted by: pogo | September 10, 2008 10:38 AM

Ooooh Pogo. Sorry...I have to reject this comment.

Obama and the media.
It doesn't matter what he said or meant. Like the John Kerry joke, the right is better at distortion and media manipulation.
Kerry was not insulting the soldiers, he was making fun of Shrub -but Kerry is the one who ended up apologizing.

To me the biggest mistake the Obama campaign has made was to expect the media to support him as it did during the primary. Hello Chicago, the Republicans elected the most incompetent person with no experience twice and they did with the help of a captive media. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Chloe,
Look...the guy is an elitist. We all know that. He sees himself as God´s gift to Mankind...
Oprah parised him with: "He´s the one....I really think...he´s the one" , so he really regards himslef high and mighty
But, I do not think that he doesn´t hold women in high regard.... it would be very sad for Michelle, Sasha and Malia if he didn´t....

And yeah, his mouth gets him in trouble...But he has to speak, he cannot just go out and shake hands like Queen Elizabeth..:-)
We´re in the second innig you all...And if you ask me, this game is NOT gonna go into overtime

Gotta go for today.....

Hello Chicago, the Republicans elected the most incompetent person with no experience twice and they did with the help of a captive media. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | September 10, 2008 10:59 AM

Newsflash KGC......Please send this one as a NEWSFLASH to the pighead and the wannabe barbie

"But, I do not think that he doesn´t hold women in high regard.... it would be very sad for Michelle, Sasha and Malia if he didn´t...."

He does hold the women that he chooses worthy in high regard Jason. That's why I said his. I should have said his own. Whomever he chooses as being worthy.

"he cannot just go out and shake hands like Queen Elizabeth..:-)"

LOL

But you are all out for BHO for POTUS. WOW. How then do you justify this do nothing, no nothing (ET that means empty suit), to be at the head of the D ticket.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 10, 2008 10:08 AM

Well although your question is overly loaded with your personal disdain of him, I think the intent of asking re: qualifications is fair. And here is my answer ...
I don't care if he's had NO experience... We have suffered under the worst President in the history of our country, a man who should be jailed for life for all the crap he's done to civil rights, the economy, lying to get us into a war because he's an oilman and got a hard-on thinking about oil profits and not minding that he sends young men and women off to DIE for his dirty little war, his attacks on Gays and Lesbians, his fundamentalist approach to AIDS education and denial of federal funding for agencies that provide information on pregnancy termination, his attempts to be a dictator telling the Congress what to do, ignoring repeated warning signs that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were actually in Afghanistan and only lately has decided something needs to be done there... The only decent thing that as*h*le has done was award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Ms. Doris Day.

Thus having said all of this, when you've reached TRULY rock bottom, there really is only one way left to go... and that's up (sadly McInsane and the Powerpuff Girl are at the same level as Dubya. I've said it before and I will say it again, the repugs have destroyed our economy, our health care, our housing market, financial markets, oil pricing and the like. There isn't a "get rich quick" scheme they don't like as long as their friends and allies profit from it. They "love" the environment they say, but seem to be following the example of senile Reagan's Dept of Interior chief James Watt who reportedly said "James Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ.". He denies it, but many people claim that he indeed said those words.

Therefore... given the operational "excellence" of this right wing nightmare, I will gladly vote for Barack Obama. If not him or not Hillary, hell I'd still throw a vote in for a Nutella Jar. That's how strongly I feel about those people.

"Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Wednesday, September 10, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 46% of the vote. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 48%, McCain 47% (see recent daily results). "

It loks like the Republican convention bounce is fading but the state by state numbers are still improved for McCain

Ohio and Virginia both like to claim they are the "mother of presidents" it looks like both states will play a role in deciding the next one.

oh bloody hell, when can we do away with the stupid electoral college and have a true democracy... one person, one vote???

Powerpuff Girl

She is kind of Mrs. Smith goes to Washington

The CERN successfully test fired today.
Posted by: FryDaddy

I consider myself an adept practitioner of triviality with that said, with regards to CERN does anyone have a thought on Enrico Fermi's paradox; "Where Is Everybody?"

toast

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Ras link and I meant to say to ET --powerpuff is a great decription for Palin

"powerpuff is a great decription for Palin"

I don't know Katherine.
I think I prefer Barracuda.:)

"She is kind of Mrs. Smith goes to Washington"

Saw a McCain ad this morning, It was we are going to go to Washington and clean the place up. It had more of a Rambo feel to it. Crusaders for truth , justice and the American waaaaaay.

Jack

I think I prefer Barracuda.:)

But we aren't allowed to use that :::))))))))))))

"It had more of a Rambo feel to it. Crusaders for truth , justice and the American waaaaaay."

Love your description Jack.
That's how you talk to 'swing voters'.

Hmmm. maybe a better description would be:

Powderpuff Girl...

Chloe

I will take Palin at her word, A pitbull in lipstick.

Jack

But we aren't allowed to use that :::))))))))))))

LOL Katherine. I never let that stop me before . :)

Euro Tom -
I like the passion in your post, and want to to know that there are millions of people who share your thoughts...voters who are equally fed up with what the Republicans have manage to do to our country, to other countries, the economy, the environment and to personal rights and freedom. People who are anxious to cast their vote for real change - for Obama /Biden 2008

Keep up the great posting. : )

Fry, I know your response re: Horton is not aimed at me but is meant just to smear liberals generally since I didn't defend the program in general or its application to Horton. Happy I could be a catalyst, but like I said, it's not substantively applicable to the election we're in.

Jason, reject that comment if you will, but with 3 of the 4 candidates uttering lipstick remarks, being offended by one of them that was patently not the sexist comment it is being portrayed as made against a candidate who started the whole frickin shebang by trying to be funny and tough is IMHO ridiculous. If that is what a voter bases a decision to vote for one or the other candidates on, that is stupid.

chloe, he was commenting on McCain's policies as a gussied up extension of Bush's. He could have used more leaderlike language and set himself apart from the other candidate I suppose, but uttering colloquialisms and idioms in the context of a political speech is hardly unleaderlike. (But don't get me wrong - I've not become a big BHO fan and am not trying to be his apologist - i just think this is a ridiculous issue). And yes, a stupid person's vote counts as much as a smart one's, after all, Dumya won WV twice and we have lots of stupid people here, but that doesn't make the stupid reason for the vote any smarter.

Fry, indeed it is amazing - the concept of a what, a 26 mile circular underground accelerator is mind boggling - nevermind the supercooling technology necessary just to keep the thing operating. And the "cameras" can take more than a million pictures per second. JHC!!.

toast - as was I.

Chloe

I think the ad will play well in the "mad as hell with the crap coming out of Washington" crowd.
The laid back do nothing crap the Dems did while in control of congress is coming back to bite them in the a$$.

Jack

The straw that stirs the drink
"Common sense and its snarky cousin, conventional wisdom, hold that presidential elections are won or lost at the top of the ticket."

"And here's the absolute proof Palin is the straw that stirs the drink: Democrats are attacking her more than McCain......Days after he congratulated her and called her "an admirable person" who "will add a compelling new voice to this campaign," Barack Obama Tuesday called Palin a liar. You know she's hit a nerve when the opposing party's presidential nominee goes after the other party's VP nominee in such raw terms."
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_the_straw_that_stirs_the_drink.html

Thanks everyone. Later.

KC, we can use it - the Repugs just can't use the song.

ET,

This country has never been a "true Democracy". You would have to scrap the constitution.

A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority. A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with majority group wants or needs.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

"But, I do not think that he doesn´t hold women in high regard.... it would be very sad for Michelle, Sasha and Malia if he didn´t...."

He does hold the women that he chooses worthy in high regard Jason. That's why I said his. I should have said his own. Whomever he chooses as being worthy.

Posted by: chloe | September 10, 2008 11:03 AM

I am with you on that one Chloe.....

Jack,

Good luck on your search. I think there used to be a nice assisted living facility up in Leavenworth--on the south side of town not too far from their mall.

If and when you feel up to it, how about talking about the types of insurance and whether or not they really helped them.

EuroTom,

'Powderpuff' is bound to be taken as a gender insult.

Mention instead that 'she sounds like an angry goose.'

mccain is 72 and has cancer, so do you want to hear that angry goose honking at you for four years ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA

He did not say powderpuff

He said powerpuff

oops sorry missed the additional post.
Powderpuff no

KGC
Interesting video

WOW

The McCain people are getting fast and aggressive. They have become focused and taken it to a new level.

Jack

Ok I take back powderpuff...

:-)

It's happening again,

The R's are going to use any tactics to win, just now Willie Horton is being resurrected, it does not matter how it started-it's out there now.Why simple it works-on many levels. The r's will use any and all tools needed,Willie H, Monica L. It doesn't matter if it's relates,redundant, or not, It's all about emotional connections.
The D's should take their thumbs of of their collective mouths-grow some b's and grow up. Don't t use the Kerry,Gore,Dashel,Kennedy models-use the Clinton model.Paul Begala,Carvelle,G.S,,Fight back with emmotional connections. H.C. was right not to go after Gov.P.

The R's are talking about change-how can you talk about change when you have V.P. Chenney (list all of his connection-and to whom)if he's not around it's is real change,a few dozen people that he controlls just like he controlled 43, won't be around to make choices,that will us,our children,and our grandchildren.Emotional connections.

The R's changed-the hearts and minds of our military leaders,look at Gen. Powell,he was changed after they set him up to lie and get us into an unjust war in Iraq. The D's will change back to honesty,honor,in dealing with our military and the American people.

There's a lot to use, J. Abr. J libby etc,etc,
No personal attacks by O of B. period,let someone else do this.

Charlie Blacks was mentioned, and other bad guys-these are the R's stealth force, with the tenacity and disapline/ needed.
Where are the D's once again, Kerry,Kennedy,Dacshell. They go out and give it you intellectually,and the far left understands them perfectly, but there is no emotional connection,like when the big dawg(like Jack say's) does it. We need our own stealth fighters and a party that sticks to talking points,simple ones.People like Harold F.Jr. R Emmanuel etc.get people like them to organize like the R's,too late?

Sorry but my guy will never run again(Prof Hagelin) and I'm going to join the D's I"m coming in swinging, but it has to be the right guy, still in the middle and looking,might skip this time?.

Jack
Just because McCain doesn't use the intertubes doesn't mean Republicans don't.

As a former Hillary supporter who once thought highly of Obama he has diminished himself in my eyes mainly in what I clearly see as his startling inner weakness. I cannot except him as Commander In Chief in these dangerous times so it with some deep satisfaction that Palin is now the center of discussion. With the media fixated on Sarah it slowly almost inexorable is letting the air out of the Obama Campaign. Sarah's brilliant but cutting speech has pierced Obama's claim of inevitability and his recent lipstick gaffe will fuel it with division and sadly derision.

PUMA/Clintons4mccain - Palin Power

toast

Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | September 10, 2008 11:53 AM

great idea...have Palin morphing into Cheney

KGC

True, but how fast they had the video up is impressive. No hesitation, no debate, they are very focused. They have also been very adapt at the free media stuff.

So where is Obama?

Jack

I cannot except him as Commander In Chief

Posted by: Milquetoast | September 10, 2008 11:54 AM

Toast, I am sure you cannot ACCEPT him...

I certainly cannot "except" him... he is ready for duty as far as I am concerned...

You know an issue is totally manufactured when the spinners stumble over that day's talking point. This morning one lady repeated three times, (stuttering each time over the order of the words while trying to talk over the interviewer), a variation of

Women all over America are putting on a lipstick named "Pit Bull" and voting for McCain.

If you are going to be "OUTRAGED AND INSULTED DEMANDING AN APOLOGY" over a complete non event, at least get the talking point down so that you can sound authentic while lying through your teeth.

good afternoon gang....

don't have much time to post today.....

one thing I have learned.... the number one reason that nascar people, southerners, mid westerners, lower middle classers, lunch bucket classers, rednecks, etc. etc. tend to vote Republican is because they are thought of as "stupid"..... if Democrats can ever figure out how much they are biting off their own noses to spite their own faces while throwing that term around, they just might be able to recapture the WH....

Dean did get this at one time when he made his remark about people in pickup trucks with gun racks during a debate in 2004..... unfortunately for him he came off sounding like a snob..... and now he seems to have forgotten it all together....

As a follow up. Just once I would like some interviewer hearing one of these obvious sentences, quietly look the person in the eye and say:

Yes, we have now all heard (whatever the phrase), are you now finished lying on behalf of your campaign?

ET
"I don't care if he's had NO experience..."

Words of wisdom from a BHO supporter.

FryDaddy, please let me know whenever you plan to offer any words of wisdom. I am still watching...

The right guy or gal, that is. This can be addictive, have to pay attention to my two way radio-one of my workers just told me to wake up.

KGC
Palin, morphing into Chenny? Now there is a scary thought.

I just hope nobody is showing Palin film of Thatcher. I can see her maturing into a Thatcher like figure.

Jack

last one:

Do we want change from constant bail outs that makes us run to China for loans,make friends with Chavez, the bail out of Bush,41 this pres 43 and his vp bail outs,how did this hurt the Latins that nobody is talking about,the AA's The Bubba's etc.

Renee, Mauro is totally into Nascar.. He even made me ride the simulated NASCAR in the Mall of America.. (I got sick, dizzy and sweaty of course). Anyway he is no idiot, but I always thought these things were pretty much for machos. Oh .. wait, come to think of it.. .he does have that Italian machismo thing going!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142632

Renee,

How about a speech along the lines of , "We know you people are too smart to believe all this phony outrage this time. We have all been around this block many times before. You have seen and heard it. I have seen and heard it. What's that song? "Won't get fooled again!"

The goopers have completely knocked the Democrats off message. It is in McCain's best interest that Shrub be quietly tucked away. So instead of discussing Shrub's disgusting last act.in iraq.to leave the entire mess for the next administration, we are discussing "lipstick on a pig" and sex education for children.

Of course, having initially been a Clinton voter, I wish she had used the above on Obama when he pulled the same crud on her. :-p

fast and furious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs

Barack Obama: “They Must Think You’re Stupid”
By: John Amato on Monday, September 8th, 2008 at 3:00 PM - PDT

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/08/barack-obama-they-must-think-youre-stupid/

Jamie, the problem with that is they aren't sure that Obama isn't fooling them either. Who in their right mind would think that you can have a "taxcut" for 95% of Americans, have everyone receive health care, reduce the deficit, fix the housing crisis and so forth

The problem with any politician is that they actually believe they are profoundly smarter than the rest of us. And they often make daft decisions because of it. It seems to me that Obama was sure that the Hillary supporters would naturally gravitate to him because there was/is no place else to go. He felt that he could dismiss Hillary as a possible running mate and people would understand. But for the Hillary supporters they don't understand... well at least I don't. Obama should have shown a bit of humbleness and offered her the VP slot. But he couldn't do it... and thus we are in this mess where Dems should win in a cake walk and are struggling to keep on message and keep ahead in the polls. Nothing against Biden and I do respect Obama's choice to choose whom he most wants as a running mate, but it just put his campaign into a THUD mode. All the worse for us. I cannot contemplate another 4 years of the last 8....

STOP THE INSANITY!

KGC

I noticed something interesting on the C&L video.

Obama kept saying "people are" as if he is discussing an abstract thing out there some where.

He needs to feel the pain and conect with the worries.
To start with he needs to say "You" everytime he wants to say people.

Jack

"We have suffered under the worst President in the history of our country.."

Well you haven't suffered anything since you live in the Netherlands.

"A man who should be jailed for life for all the crap he's done to civil rights, the economy, lying to get us into a war."

Really? He did that all by is little lonesome? Have you been reading the DailyKos again?

"because he's an oilman and got a hard-on thinking about oil profits and not minding that he sends young men and women off to DIE for his dirty little war, "

Now Sigmund Freud would have found you to be a verrrryyyyy interesting subject. Your is much to pre-occupied with oilman, sex and money.

"his attacks on Gays and Lesbians"

Is that right? Cheney's daughter, did he attacked her? I thought that was John Edwards?

"his fundamentalist approach to AIDS education and denial of federal funding for agencies that provide information on pregnancy termination,"

Yes lets forget about all the money Bush has provide to Africa. Taxpayer money for abortions, yes I can see your desire to terminate birth. Is that a European thing or a Chinese thing?

"his attempts to be a dictator telling the Congress what to do,"

Got me there ET, but it does seems like the weak knee D lead Congress does listen to him. Lack of courage and their convictions.

"ignoring repeated warning signs that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were actually in Afghanistan and only lately has decided something needs to be done there"

Where did the US first send their military, Iraq or Afghanistan? Why does Afghanistan stand out in my mind?
But isn't this one of those wars you have deemed oh what is the word you use, unauthorized?

You will be voting ET won't you? I mean you foolishly haven't lost your right to vote because of your extended stay in Europe, now have you? How many years did you say you have been there, 10? You know ET, you and Europe have some much in common with their high unemployment rates, and their open sewers.

if this country had listened to our forefathers ..WASHINGTON ...JEFFERSON ....
ADAMS...
we wouldnt be in this mess......washington warned in his farewell address do not form political parties because in time you will be more loyal to your party than to the people later jefferson and adams said the same......im paraphrasing the quote but boy were they right ...as far as the lipstick remark ...thats obama's pattern he said things about HRC.... and then says that
that wasnt what he meant ........he's shrewed but its starting to backfire on him...he should stick to issues
.....a comedian hes not

Is that right? Cheney's daughter, did he attacked her? I thought that was John Edwards?

Fry you could write ads for the Republicans. No one attacked Cheney's daughter and it is the Republicans that are denying her a right to equal protection. Even Cheney said he disagrees with Bush on the issue of gay rights "but after all
Bush is the president."

As for the rest of your post...oy vey.

pogo,

"I was offended by what I saw as misogynistic crap from the BHO camp against Hillary in the primaries,"

As you can see nothing has changed.

I lied:

If you want the fans that watch cars go around and around a track,well like how are they going to be hurt--------it takes a lot of fuel that makes it go around, times how many cars times how many events just here in your own back yard, the tickets,popcorn,beer, sodi pop all go up real real real high,Palin is just like,tiedd to vp through oil is this true, if not drop her name and put in anyone --can this be applied to most situations to keep this formula simple?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142649

Bowman, Actually he could do by simply refocusing the tax burden. Now whether than money would actually go to those projects is another matter. Given our current deficit and debt, it is going to be very difficult

Of course it is even more insane to believe that McCain could continue the Bush tax cuts on the top 1% of income earners and not have it continue to cripple the middle class.

If we are going to continue borrowing money, then we need to have that money go as investment in the middle class and the infrastructure that supports them, so that there is some hope of paying off that debt in the future. Just as the upper incomes were hit with 90% taxes following WWII so that investment could be made into the GI Bill, so we now need to stop the slide of the middle class into poverty.

There are roads to be built, bridges to refurbish, green technologies to develop, schools to upgrade, colleges to support ... all of the things that have been pushed aside and ignored for decades in favor of more and more for fewer and fewer people.

bear wrote: Last year while criticizing health proposals from the Democratic presidential candidates, he said Hillary Rodham Clinton’s resembled the failed plan she offered as first lady during the 1990s. ‘‘I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,’’ McCain of her proposal.

I think that Bear, and many others on this blog, could run a campaign better than the Team Obama (or last go-around's Team Kerrey).

Reminded of a debate for Dallas mayor many years ago. One candidate kept saying 3-words over & over: police, roads, education. That person won.

Respond once, loudly, and while you have their attention...GET BACK ON MESSAGE!

Today's Theme Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeo0_3gN190&feature=related

Actually, Fry, something did change. McCain showed what a pandering sexist he is by trying to replace Hil'ry with someone who isn't fit to walk in her shoes. (Do you really think he would've picked picked her if Hil'ry was the veep nom? No, he would've gone with P'lenty.)

Scary, the GOP moose murderer, in no way that I have seen, reflects anything for which Hil'ry stands. McCain managed to do the one thing that will get me to vote for Obama. Scary is bad for women.

This is the complete article Lard quoted from this morning.
(It pulls up on the onlone WSJ version)

The Tilting Yard
The GOP
Loves the Heartland
To Death
By THOMAS FRANK
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100226859616967.html

Floyd's a little more appropriate I think, Jamie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBkTUzKAiXQ

Chloe,

This is a great quote for that article and absolutely true. How anyone can vote for McCain and more of the same is beyond me.

"For decades now we have been electing people like Sarah Palin who claimed to love and respect the folksy conservatism of small towns, and yet who have unfailingly enacted laws to aid the small town's mortal enemies."

NEW THREAD

Katherine,

You actually replied to one of my post, I am honored. How I miss our bantering.

You are correct no one came out and called her a Dike, or a number of other derogatory names, I mean not even the DNC would stoop so low. Well that is questionable.

But in similar fashion to BHO's coded phrase "pig and lipstick", the point is to get the message across without saying the actual words. Lipstick on a pig was a direct assult on Sarah Palin to refer to her as trailer trash.

This is similar John "PB" Edwards, intention to make sure everyone listening to the debate be made aware that Cheney's daughter, Mary, is a lesbian. It was a kind of in your face statement for Bush-Cheney supporters or anyone considering voting for them. Pssss...Did you know Cheney's daughter is a lesbian? Do you know what lesbians do?

John "POS" Edwards. Just another example of a leading D who has pushed a female under the bus. OK so it was his wife. A private matter.

"who claimed to love and respect the folksy conservatism of small towns"

Jamie,

I understand exactly how you feel about it.

But if you actually understood what I am 'trying' to say (and apparently I'm not doing a vey good job of it) is that in order to win this election. the Dems are going to have to 'claim' to love and respect the folksy conservatism of small towns too. But instead, all I'm seeing are demeaning jokes and statements about 'bubbas' and how stupid the people in small towns all are.

Is that the best way to win an election? Is that the new way to win friends and influence people?

Do so many of you really think people who don't agree with you as just stupid and dismiss them as that.

Fry

so much piffle. The question was how can you treat your own daughter like a third class citizen? How can you treat any American that way...yet Republicans always have some excuse most of them with some religious base. Did you forget there is separation of church and state?

And Cheney said..I bow to the superior intellect of George W Bush.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-boosts-mccains-primetime.html#comment-142630

jamie, LOL. This is all such bull$hit. since there is no discussion to speak of of anything of substance coming out of either campaign, there is no discussion of Obama's and McCain's economic plans that would increase the debt by $3.5 and $5 T, respectively. No discussion of soldiers staying, coming home, going elsewhere to fight a group of enemies that is virtually endless in number. No discussion of how either plans to deal with unfunded Medicare and social security program costs in excess of $50T. No, the discussionis about whether Palin is qualified to be POTUS - she isn't - and whether lipstick/pig/fish/newspaper comments are sexist and ageist - they aren't - or make Obama appear unpresidential - they may or may not depending on your political sensibilities.

And Fry, I do not see the misogynistic crap I saw in the primaries. It was clera Obama was not referring to Palin as the pig, and she is inexperienced, but some things indeed haven't changed. They just aren't working for Obama right now.

KGC your 12:14 post is why everyone is all over the place.
I was in advertising and maybe would run this commercial.
Put a normal looking guy in a uniform delivered the mail that you can plainly see from the r's x it as junk mail and challenge a few of their talking points with real simple language,do this for every day in the week.
Make these the D's talking points for everyone that opens up their mouth, if talking points change due to new info out there another commercial to rebut.Just an idea but they better do something fast no?

Posted by: SolarCrete Author Profile Page | September 10, 2008 1:13 PM

Hopefully someone will read your post

and new thread...you might want to repost you idea. :)

NEW THREAD

Clemmeio; 9:28 am ........... "his sit down with Bill", My own personal hope is that Bill says," you screwed her over, now pay the price F*&^head..................................

How very, very sad that in this day and age we can not have political discussion without being tarred as racists. I think it will never come to be, because reverse racists are like spoiled children, who have a tantrum every time you say no. There are some very intelligent, very thoughtfull postings here from people like Bear and don't know the rest. But posters like Alicia and Karolenna should just shut up and go away, they just throw BS into the conversation and just belittle the things that serious posters like Chloe, Jamie, Viv, Bethy, ubns and other women have to say.......IMHO...

Rita

SPIRIT OF 76
76 reasons to end the McCheneybush experience:
1. runaway inflation, 2. cooked intelligence, 3. ENRON, 4. rising unemployment, 5. G-men reading your mail, 6. the missing WMDs, 7. jack abramov, 8. record foreclosures, 9. preventing the troops from getting body armor, 10. World Com, loss of respect around the world, 11. G-men reading your email, the defeat in Iraq, 12. alberto gonzales, 13. Fannie Mae, the secret gulag, 14. $4/gallon gas, 15. failure to prosecute wolfowitz's corruption(s), 16. preventing the troops from getting properly armored vehicles, 17. the attempt to ENRONize Social Security, 18. global Chelabi, 19. our impending defeat in Afghanistan, 20. the destruction of New Orleans, 21. warcrimes, 22. Creation taught as a science, 23. appeasement of north korea, 24. the growing class division, 25. global warming, 26. the outing of our most important international spy and her informants, 27. Halliburton, 28. growing poverty, 29. the Secret Service preventing Sheriff deputies from giving cheney a breathalyzer test following the shooting, 30. larry craig, 31. Supreme Court Justices who vote on cases presented by their sons qnd get away with it, 32. torture, 33. more trashy and degrading network tv programming, 34. G-men listening toyourphoneconversations, 35. the missing billions of $$ in Iraq, 36. the libby pardon, 37. 13 million illegal aliens, 38. scooter libby's defective brain defense, 39. weak dollar, 40. ralph reed cheating reservations, 41. randy cunningham's graft, 42. the 7 fired US attorneys, 43. paul bremer, 44. indiscriminate 'disappearences', 45. the bullying of scientists, 46etting an Iranian spy make our foreign policy, 47 imprisonment without trial, 48 cronyism, 49. he disruption of airline traffic over tweezers, 50. Freddie Mac, 51. failure to prosecute bob novak, 52. bridges and highways to nowhere, 53. record trade imbalance, 54. the failure to go after human traffickers, 55. "Mission Accomplished", 56. the defunding of our public schools, 57. global dimming, 58. the 140,000 missing weapons in Iraq, 59. unguarded US ports, 60. mark foley grooming boys for 'the business', 61. absentee ballots taken from the polling stations to republican headquarters for 'correction', 62. failure to prosecute the Mann Act, 63. giving aid to a Palestinian terrorist organization, 64. less job security, 65. the veterans hospital scandals, 66. $100 billion in contractor fraud in Iraq, and 67. rumsfeld, 68. attempt to sell US ports to Arabs, 69. appeasement of Sudan, 70. the drug company bailout, 71. lower prepared military, 72. failure to prosecute on cheney's false depositions to the SEC, 73. bush/cheney/mccain subsidies for gashogs increased dependence on terrorist oil. 74. shrinking the middle class, 75. record deficits, 76. blowing the chance to get osama bin laden.

Vote Your Country First, Throw McCheneybush Out !

OBAMA = BETRAYAL
Obama supporters are foolish to think that he will never betray them.
Obama was a close friend of Pastor Wright for TWENTY YEARS.
Obama threw Wright under the bus for personal ambition.
McCain would not betray his country even after 5 years of torture.
You can put lipstick on a traitor, but he's still a traitor.