Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I don't agree that Obama has taken the high road before.

He pretended to as he, throughout the long campaign, has allowed others to savage his opponents with slurs and reprehensible charges.

The new politics was always a fraud.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with him.

"Well, well, well....."

--John Lennon

Palin's goin to pass the old guy in the polls real soon- no need to worry about those others, they're not normal American.

Obama was on the High Road??? Oh, does this refer to the same High obtained from certan substance,

He was just much "Slicker" in his delivery - and to some degree with HRC he did not need to take the stabs as the MSM did it for him.

Again and again the only ads from Sen Obama are negative about McCain. This continues to be a disappointment

Ping Pong do you like Sarah, at least?

uh oh.....new fodder for imus.......just two more calves.....Rob? or is it just too broad.....yep, maybe it seems kinda frail......without a twist it would just chick on out......oh, sistah

Good evening! "Obama is just another politician" Never figured he was anything but, as the others are. Nor do I think this was the first time he took the low road.

Isn't there a regular here down on the Louisiana or Mississippi coast?. Sorry I can't remember who, but sure hope they are safe and sound

My father, uncle, and two stepbrothers graduated from the U.S> Military Academy at West Point, where I was born, in the cadet hospital. Although I was brought up by a political grandfather in Washington, D.C., I was well immerseed in the West Point ethos, Duty Honor Country, as was David Eisenhower, the president's grandson whom I met years later. We exchanged notes on how difficult it was to free oneself from that world: " They never let go," I said, "It's like a family."
"No, " he said, "It's like a religion." Although neither of us attended the Point, each was born in the cadet hospital; each went to Exeter and grew up listening to West Pointers gossip about each other as well as vent their political views, usually on the far right. At the time of the Second War, many of them thought they were fighting the wrong side. "We should be helping Hitler destroy Communism......Later we could take care of Hitler."

Gore Vidal.......more to come

Hope they will be safe...Ike looks mean.

I always knew that about Obama; one reason why I was frustrated with his campaign against Hillary Clinton. He chose to say he was not from the "old politics" cloth and would be different. But, I knew he would have to politic the same way as everyone. People don't care about the high moral ground. I believe they change their minds according to the last impressionable soundbite and if it is negative for you, that's what counts in their book. Voters are fickle. If you can't beat them, join them --- that's the current theme. Wake me up when it is over!

The Ballad of Sarah Palin

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cwRnOHsRS48

Sturg, very interesting !!

By the way speaking of all these fish.
When in Season - You must have Copper River Salmon

like that video - Copper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3mi-bKtDGA

Sturgeone

Is that from Vidal's new collection of Essays?

http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Essays-Gore-Vidal/dp/0385524846/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221263840&sr=1-1

Or something else.

In general, they disliked politicians, Franklin Roosevelt most of all. There was also a degree of low-key anti-semitism while pre-world war II Blacks were Ellisonian Invisibles. Even so, in that great war, Duty, Honor, served the country surprisingly well..Unfortunately, some served themselves well when Trumanmilitarized the economy, providing all sorts of lucrative civilian employment for high-ranking officers. Yet it was Eisenhower himself who warned us in 1961 of the dangers of the "military-industrial-complex." Unfortunately, no one seemed eager to control military spendiing, particfularly after the Korean War, which we notoriously failed to win even though the cry "The Russians are coming!" was daily heard throughout the land. Propaganda necessary for Truman's military buildup was never questioned...particularly when demagogues like Senator McCarthy were destroying careers with reckless accusation that anyone able to read the New York Times without moving his lips was Communist.

--Gore Vidal......taking a breath

Catchy Tune

Jamie
it's gore vidal......2004.......IMPERIAL AMERICA

Russia sure -Sarah -if we have to go to war with Russia -we have to - she smiles, says charlie and flashes a calf.

"pre-world war II Blacks were Ellisonian Invisibles"

This is what I love about Gore Vidal. You have to be reasonably literate to even know what he is talking about. It's always fun to read anything by the man who made people look up Palimpsest. :-)

We've been asked (by the host) to refrain from using a candidates name or derivatives thereof in our posting name.

this from Sarah to Charlie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

PP,

Copper River salmon; It's good but ridiculously expensive especially if you have it served in a restaurant.
I have a good buddy from BC that comes down to Seattle once a month with fresh (normally) but mostly smoked salmon to vend out of his trunk to the locals. It's as good as CRS and at my price we can afford several sides of either each trip. I think he seines mostly on a tributary of the Fraser River watershed. (same as CR) It is good!

Sarah doesn't want to insult the white militant extremists might cost votes

Mr. Crawford; .................. Couldn't we please just say "So much for Change", isn't that what's really going to happen................................................................

Copper Catfish Palin; 6:52 pm ....................."lame excuse", What is this, "country first" blather, have any of you, besides Jack even been in the military or public service of any kind? I'm not riding the fence, I thought I had made it perfectly clear that Barry and his brown shirts, is not my candidate, and this democratic party is not the one I've belonged to all my life, that does not make me a repug. Even though I kind of like Sarah, she's gutsy, I have no time for her exremist religious views, Hillary was my candidate, and as far as I'm concerned, irreplaceable. Don't give me party, they're two sides of the same coin, at least they are NOW. What I really wish is that I had the power to make the backroom boys in the DNC pay a heavy price for their manipulation.......................................................

Rita

how pissed are you- politicallypissed?

Craig

Obama has been going negative for sometime around here. I did see his new positive ad on TV this evening.
Bear
It is the one you posted today. I must say it looks a lot better on TV than on the computer. I would like to see some think with a little more bounce.

Jack

Copper = UB, Rita. I wonder why the Goon Squad can't play their reindeer games on their own blog instead of polluting this one. Boredom, I suppose.

Watch out CCP: A-merry-ca, love it or leave it is coming next!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk

for champ

Thanks Rezdog, I like that....Yah! CCP.

Laugh it up, UB. I'm sure you cry yourself to sleep every now and then. If not, you should.

Assurances from a liar are worthless.

LOL

who cares who it is,
sock puppets are sock puppets.

They are adding zip to the conversation.

Jack

Rezdog,

I Copper River Are cold Fish. I'm warm.

As thick as champ.

Posted by: Copper Catfish Palin | September 12, 2008 6:12 PM: " Palin is a Pentacostal from the Assmbly of God. "

Thanks, for the info. So, are Assembly of God people predestinarian, as are Calvinists and Muslims ?

It's just a matter of curiosity. I kid about Governor Palin, but I really don't hold anything against her, besides her unpleasant voice.

What time does the Sarah show air?

Sure Mr xrepublican,

Look under trinitarian.

Pentecostalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostal

Craig
Thanks for your piece.Obama has always been just another politician too me.I have never felt he took the high road ,especially with Hillary.I still don't like Obama.I will vote for him because I talked myself into just looking at two generic people running for President and there positions.Obama most fits with my views!! I really long for the days of feeling so wonderful about the person I was supporting for President(Clinton,Gore) I liked them so much and still do,I miss the passion........

Rita,

I am proud to say that Uncle Sam put me to work carting the sick, injured, and dead around during the Viet Nam fiasco. I did my best for 3 years.

The "Surge" worked there, too. We called it "Vietnamization".

Anyway, what was the point of your Q ?

Hey it's Friday. . ergo. . Casino buffet nite.
Gotta check out the investment lol

XR, Just don't use the word shrill.

Palin -hot legs for sure-nuttin wrong with that - screw the pin

Sturge...the Gore Vidal stuff you have posted over the past couple days has been extraordinary. Thanks.

The downside: As a writer, reading Vidal makes me want to put down my pen forever and ever. Because once I see that level of analtyical intelligence coupled with clear, poetic expression, I'm like..."Why bother to say anything more? He's already said it."

Meanwhile, for Flatus, since you spent a "morning in the vegetable garden", here is your reward. A "Night In Tunisia."

Dizzy Gillespie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJx-qB8Xjxw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

McCain's own words

Oh lordy, we see class resentments arising about fish.

Salmon are cold (meaning snooty);

Catfish are warm (oafs with no sense of their proper place)

Crappies are good, hard working middle class fish that go to school, work hard, pay their taxes.

Thanks Spackle my Brotha! Good Vid

Well , Kansas city is getting the left overs of tropical storm Lowell from the pacific. It has been warm and humid and rainy all day.
Emptied the rain gage, it had 3 inches in it.

Looking forward to Ike next week.
One good thing, the work I did this summer to improve the drainage around the house seemed to work. I have a dry basement.

Jack

fit bump babe ! back at you

no no no......not Crappies......Pike, a good White Fish. lol

.......ha......you mean Fin......

"Crappies are good, hard working middle class fish that go to school, work hard, pay their taxes"

A good thing there are a lot of them and they are tasty

Jack

Rezdog,

Thanks for stopping me from saying that she's shrill. I would not have wanted to call her shrill. Shrill is not quite what I would want to convey.

No, she sounds like a goose. I look for the V in the sky ever time I hear her honk.

Cooper Catfish -got a funny vid for you now - you have whiskers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obama-gives-up-the-high-ground.html#comment-144274

XR Crappies are so dumb you don't need bait. Let's give the middle class a little more credit and at least make them trout.

Jamie

check out ABC

They are showing the latino music awards.
I'm watching a musical tribute to Linda Rondstat.

Good music

Jack

balanced pot on 4 tomatoes that is , ithink captcha ate my pot.

is there a time limit or something on captcha posting,thanks.

Thanks Jack. The ALMA Awards aren't on for another two hours.

I like Pike. Good strong straping white fish.

Trout is too limp.....too colorfull

I am shocked that republican abc has not canned Softball Charlie for pressing the Gov on her for the bridge before she opposed the bridge.

I suppose the big execs were at their worship services, sacrificing a few Reservists to Mammon, Maximus Optimus, and thus missed the big show.

Solar Crete
I'm sure enjoying you,thanks for coming around.

Jamie

I don't know what the first hour had we had wall to wall storm coverage. but the Rondstat thing was in the first part of the second hour. After the 5 min worth of musical tribute nothing else is going on.

Jack

Re : Alaska lawmakers vote to subpoena Todd Palin
this was posted elsewhere:
any email that Sarah sent to whoever and cc’d Todd is not a private communication between spouses.

interesting at least

IKE looks like a direct hit.....Houston

She's back

Jack

Thanks. That means that I can watch Mahar at 8 and switch to the Ronstadt afterwards.

Jack...

What I grew up learing to call "Crappies" in Missouri are called "Speckled Perch" down here in Florida. Or "Specks" for short. (Just like "bluegill" up there is "bream" down here)

Same damn fish. Same great taste.

Guys down here spend thousands of dollars on bass boats to go chase fish that don't taste near as good. Bass tastes like hell. I would catch a bass from my slow-moving Lardass pontoon and throw it back. But give me a 20-ounce Speck in the net, and my day is complete. Time to go home.

No Crappies that big in Missouri...but they still taste as good.

--Lard.

It’s America’s newest disease

You know it by its initials - PDS. Palin Derangement Syndrome.

You can watch the victims of PDS on TV every night, frothing at the mouth in front of Obama banners, repeating scurrilous lies lifted from left-wing blogs or just making up new whoppers as they go along. It’s an epidemic - Palin Derangement Syndrome swept through MSNBC studios this week and claimed two anchors, who are survived by dozens of viewers.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1118511

Where is McCain? napping?

Latino awards all in English

As I was trying to recruit Mexicanos into the neighborhood association several years ago. Our professionals were saying "ooooooh how are we going to handle the language barrier."

I told them it depends. If a few show up then we have translators to help them understand what is going on. But if I'm successful, then we do the meeting in Spanish and put the translator at your table.

It wasn't that long after that my wife and I were run out of town so to speak. Some of the Pros helped run us out.
So being a paid staff community organizer isn't too impressive to me.
Been there, done that, and do I ever have the teeshirts.

And I have a success story, and a picture to prove it.
Many of you have seen it over on my blog

http://showyourgarden.blogspot.com/2008/06/success-story.html

Where are the pictures of Obama's success story?
;-)

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obama-gives-up-the-high-ground.html#comment-144302

Now that is funny.

Jack

Can't read?

Craig
I almost forgot

Only this clip from cassablanca can express my feeling as I learned Obama is going negative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM_A4Skusro

Jack

I can see the froth and it's not a latte!

Pomoxis Nigromaculata is a great working class fish. I think the turbid water cousin is Auratus. Not sure, I only met the fellow once, in a GA reservoir.

Lepomis Gibbosis is the bluecollar Bluegill - almost as hearty, and family-oriented as Mr. & Mrs. Crappie.

The Pike family (aka, Esox) is a gang of hitmen. Masquie and Lucius Esox run the family business. They hit and run. To get away, they'll roll to cut the line with their gill covers.

How about when Whoopie asked if she would be a slave again....lol ...Thank goodness she isn't afraid to speak.

Hi LardAssLiberal,

Bass from cold water can be just as good as Bluegills.

However, big bass aren't as good as 2 1/2 pounders.

I agree, big bass are for sport and breeding more bass, but not for lunch.

"How about when Whoopie asked if she would be a slave again....lol ...Thank goodness she isn't afraid to speak"

now that got him votes, nothing like being impolite to a guest.

Jack

Dr. James Dobson came close to calling mccain the anti-Christ last Spring. Has he changed his mind yet ?

So Xrep,

What dynamite works bet when you are fishing for bass?

Jack

Jack did you watch the show???The View?

When I was young and immortal, I worked poppers and fake mice and frogs through lily pads for hours on end with no result. Now that death is breathing down my neck, I use night crawlers. I drop close to the boat, and hold the hand net as I cast, and retrieve.

Not that I've caught many bass that way, either.

Gimmee crappies, and I'm a happy old geezer.

Ooops. Gotta go to bed. Goodnight everyone.

Have you fisher people been following the blue fin story?

http://www.panda.org/news_facts/newsroom/index.cfm?uNewsID=145184

Hey! Obama gives up the high ground.

Craig, I say, Bout time! Republican Machine AKA Rove is back. Time to get down and dirty back. ;0)

Negative ads drive down the vote.

Point to McCain.

score 2 to 0, first quarter

Jack

So its quite all right for all the dirty campaigning on the part of the Republicans but not hit back allowed for Obama. Good Jack, very good. lol

Obama hitting back is a good thing.

"Obama hitting back is a good thing"

Go for it, if you want to drive down the vote, that is why the Reps don't mind negative. Lower turn out favors them.

Add to it his negative campaigning hasn't gotten him anywhere so far, and around here negative ads are all I've seen.

Maybe he needs to quit letting the Repubs define him and start defining himself.

Jack

I don't know where I heard this but it's been said that American's like negative campaigning as long as it's fair and truthful. Perhaps by stating facts in an ad, one is still practicing new politics...

This is my only post of the evening...I somehow pulled a groin muscle carrying a 50 pound bag of cat litter and it hurts like hell...

If you're a fan of DeNiro and Pacino, I recommend Righteous Kill. I swear that they filmed a scene in the restaurant from Goodfellas where they found out Tommy got whacked, a restaurant from Goodfella's, the warehouse from Heat...I am probably wrong but it seemed like it...

I hope someone sees the movie to tell me if I'm right...

Bear! Gosh, thats too bad. Kitty Litter is a killer, but its great for traction in the winter time up morth ;0) . Take care of yourself!

"OK. Be negative and bitter. "

lol

Yeah, but I get the fun of being able to say "I told you so"

Jack

xrepublican; 8:41 pm .....I didn't mean to offend you X, I just wondered if any of the mouth almightys here, had done anything in the way of public service as opposed to "community organizing", or if all they're good for is to call down the working stiff who doesn't agree with them............................................................

Animal; 9:50 pm ..................... That's the NEW and IMPROVED democratic party, the one we're all supposed to fall in line behind, even if it stinks of rotten fish................ You may as well save your breathe anyway, it's either over their heads or on either side of their blinkers..............................................................

Rita

Hey Jack,

good evening. I read your post earlier that you had gotten 3". Believe I have you beat, registering over 4" now. And all this is from a tropical storm. we will be waterlogged if we get more rain from IKE..

The Kansas side had tornado sirens going during dinner tonight.. no basement, but neighbors have one.

julie

Sturgeone;............ This is probably a silly question but, have you ever read Gore Vidal's, "Kalki"? This election campaign has made me feel like we're living it....................................

Rita

Bear

Here are the locations for Righteous Kill

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034331/locations

If you click on the individual scenes listed, it will take you to the other movies where that filming location was also used. i.e. if you click on the bar scene, it will tell you the other movies filmed there.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/palin-muddles-preemptivestrike.html#comment-144101

Oh please... this post made me gag, and I don't do that easily!

These lyrics are from a song by Peter Paul and Mary and it was during the USA support of the Junta in El Salvador. I find the words relevant in America's latest dirty little war.

"And kill the people to set them free
Who put this price on their liberty?
Don't you think it's time to leave ?"

Oh yeah, things have sure gotten better since America invaded Iraq. Here's one fine example. Thank you and God bless you USA.

"Since invasion, gays in Iraq lead lives of constant fear - Homosexuals have been increasingly targeted by militias and police, human rights groups say. Officials deny the claim."

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/05/world/fg-iraqgay5

" I just wondered if any of the mouth almightys here, had done anything in the way of public service as opposed to "community organizing", or if all they're good for is to call down the working stiff who doesn't agree with them."

Rita, with all due respect, community organizing is a public service. Work to educate and empower communities is an important step to improving their lot in life and create a better future for themselves and their families. Surely you would not look down at people who work tirelessly to help communities to help themselves??

I Googled "Florida politics bitch" just to see what came up, and right there on page one was this: "Katherine Harris is a sick, twisted bitch..."
I post this tidbit to illustrate just what Obama and all the dems are up against in 2008. Harris and all the bullshit in 2000 in FL, and Ken Blackwell's crooked orchestration of early poll closings and rigged voting machines in 2004 serve as reminders that the evil repugg machine will be on overdrive these next few weeks with lies and distortions in their quest for a Bush third term, John McCain, surrogate.
S. Palin was on TV again extolling her virtues regarding being ready to be President. She's winning approval, I hear.
She's saying Obama is regretting not picking HRC as veep.
She's all giddy as she traipses all over pitching McCain's views . She's ridiculous. We cannot allow this nonsense, and we must elect Obama.

Air America hosts are telling us we DO NOT have to use other than paper ballots.
My precinct uses paper ballots and we may watch our vote register as it is read by the scanner.
I guess we have a right to refuse to vote on an electronic machine, when that is the option we are given, and we may demand paper ballots, or vote early, absentee balloting.

You guys are so two-faced...You compare the flavor of bass vs. crappie with glee, but I put up a tasty recipe for frog legs the other day, and everybody went ICK! I think y'all are prejudiced against frogs (with or without lipstick)...

Dex -- "I guess we have a right to refuse to vote on an electronic machine, when that is the option we are given, and we may demand paper ballots, or vote early, absentee balloting."

Speaking of early voting and absentee balloting...there is some thought that the election may be decided as early as October 15th given the number of early votes (including absentees) that will be cast by that date.

Yeah, but I get the fun of being able to say "I told you so"-WhskyJack

That sort answers my question of a day or so ago.
That's too bad.

Bear; 11:53 pm .... Sorry about your Um,"kitty litter", problem. 50 pounds is a lot, how many cats do you have? Anyway, I just wanted to comment on "Goodfellas", and "Heat", both superb movies, I'm hoping "Righteous Kill" will be as good. And btw, Sheila's right, kitty litter is great for traction in the winter.

EuroTom; 12:32 am ....................... Yes Tom, true community organizing is a very, very good thing, I just don't believe - or maybe I should say, I haven't seen, any signs of that being the case here....................

Rita

Sorry about the long post,, but there's really no way to cut it any further...

At least 28 of the 84 legislative chambers with elections this year can be called battlegrounds with either party having a chance to emerge with a majority. The National Conference of State Legislatures has listed the top 10 battleground states in alphabetical order:

Delaware - A switch of just two seats in the House would give Democrats the majority, and they hope having Delaware Senator Joe Biden running for vice president will lead to unprecedented enthusiasm among First State Democrats.

Indiana - Democrats have a two-seat advantage over the Republicans in the House. The chamber has switched party control 15 times in the past 80 years.

Montana - The most competitive legislature in the country. Republicans currently control the House by just one seat. In the Senate, Democrats hold a two-seat advantage.

New York - The New York Senate is up for grabs. Republicans have a one-seat advantage, but Democrats can seize the majority for the first time since 1966 by picking up two Senate seats.

Nevada - Republicans enter the election with a razor thin 11-10 edge in the Senate.

Ohio - Term limits hit Republicans disproportionately hard in the Ohio House offering Democrats their best shot at winning back control since they lost it in 1994.

Oklahoma - The Oklahoma Senate is tied, with an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.

Pennsylvania - On paper, Democrats have a one-seat lead over the Republicans in the House, although the speaker is from the GOP. Republicans would like to gain back the majority after losing it in 2006.

Tennessee - The Senate has equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats, but Republicans control the body through a coalition majority and would like to take outright control by picking up a seat or two.

Wisconsin - Democrats need to win back just three seats to get control of the Assembly for the first time since 1994. Republicans need only two Senate pick-ups to win back control.

"Other states to watch are Arizona, Maine, Michigan, North Dakota, Oregon and South Dakota," said Storey.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/press/2008/pr091108Battleground.htm

Hey B,

I guess I just don't get it. This is such an important election. Yeah I know they all are, but BushCo has the country so twisted and to stand on the sidelines if your vote could make a difference, just wears me out. Pick one that counts and go for it.

Oh, we won a bit. . for a change. and I got to have a few brews since I had my designated driver with me.. lol

I forgot, those folk's investment is doing much better than my wife and mine.:(

Location , location, location said the marketing man

gee spike...Intrade gets involved in state chamber elections? european gamblers bet on that?

Palin has the correct demeanor but not the answers. I thought she floundered A LOT. She's not ready or qualified to be VP or Pres.

Too bad Obama didn't head off a Palin with a Hillary.

Hunkering down here for hurricane Ike. Even this far north we're supposed to get tropical storm winds and rain. It's been beastly humid for a few days.

tt

The thugs rule your blog again tonight, eh Craig?

Biggest asshole I met tonight- an Obama supporter. Go figure. He got kicked out of the bar.

Ok the ad was clever but I think Barack Obama needs to get even more down and dirty. The ad was "cutsie" but as far as I could see, it didn't really go for the jugular. We all KNOW how the Repugs play dirty in these elections. Our good "liberal dems" have to throw their tolerance quotient out the window and fight as down and dirty as the Repugs do.

Dex --"european gamblers bet on that?"

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Champ,

From what Ican tell, he must of been real stupid for being there.

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America," ... "Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me" - Joe Biden

Well, uhhhhh... we Hillary supporters did sound the alarm about Barack Obama not choosing Hillary as his running mate. I do not write this with any sense of glee but I fear greatly that it is a decision that is hurting his chances at winning the Presidency.

The thugs rule your blog again tonight, eh Craig?

Biggest asshole I met tonight- an Obama supporter. Go figure. He got kicked out of the bar.

Posted by: champ | September 13, 2008 2:21 AM

Champ Champ Champ ... Why did an Obama supporter get kicked out of a bar?

Champ, which peoples are you calling Thugs? Seems like most here are behaving rather well.... Or, how do you define "thug" in the context of this blog?

it's cold and grey in Belgium this morning. Reminds me of the winter months in Western Washington...

You guys are so two-faced...You compare the flavor of bass vs. crappie with glee, but I put up a tasty recipe for frog legs the other day, and everybody went ICK! I think y'all are prejudiced against frogs (with or without lipstick)...

Posted by: spike | September 13, 2008 12:40 AM

POOR FROGGIES... After the legs are cooked they have to sit in froggy wheel chairs !!!

Champ,

My point, if i walked into a bar with a bunch of idiot, rednecks, and racists. . .I'd be forced to leave too. LMAO

Damn,

PST: Both Leno and Lettermen were ridiculing Palin in their opening segments. That's embarassing!

Again and again the only ads from Sen Obama are negative about McCain. This continues to be a disappointment

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 12, 2008 7:22 PM

Ok so let me get this right... McCain has been positive about Obama ???

But Rez, don't they ridicule all politicians? Why should there be a double standard for Sarah?

Got to get some sleep before the big Iowa-Iowa State game in the morning -- Night all -- Spike

It shouldn't. You're right they do. But this was pretty bad, made her appear real petty imho. Hey, I laughed my ass off.

Nite A-merry-ca, hello Europe.

"Trying to be above it all wasn't working, never did and never will"

It was a big part of winning the primary and beating the biggest political machine - outside of the Republican party - going...

The American electorate is a drunk.

The Republicans are a bartender telling us to have another drink - while the Democrats are trying to get us into rehab.

Democrats just want to hook you on their shit, warren. Stay sober.

OD

"I don't agree that Obama has taken the high road before."

The ONLY candidate in this long election cycle - who has been criticized on numerous occasions for not being more negative - is Senator Barack Obama.

Well the old shit ain't working.

And you don't need to take anyone's word for it...just look at the last 8 years.

Democratically controlled congress the last 2 years. What have they done for you lately?

So does Obama need to be a "better", i.e., more negative, deceitful and willing to score cheap political points.

Or do we need to be "better" voters.

Nothing due to Bush's veto power.

Oh, all Bush's fault, huh? They could shut down the government if they wanted to, they could cut the funding for and end the war if they wanted to, but they don't. Why?

Because those are two stupid options.

Where were these strident, principled Democrats when Bush sought authorization for the use of force against the Iraqi regime? Biden, for example? Oh, they voted FOR this unjust war out of cowardice or avarice or ignorance. What an alternative. Forgive me for being underwhelmed at the prospect of a Democratic presidency with these goons at the helm.

Plus - neither option would have altered Bush's posture - and both would benefit him politically.

No- those are the necessary options to achieve the desired result, which I'm assuming for most concerned is an end to a catastrophic war for all parties involved, save the ones running it. Grand High Clinton himself helped shut down government for a week over a budget, the Democratic majority can't muster the same effort to end a war?

Just elect Obama and everything will be alright, huh?

They were lied to by a Neocon movement hell bent on war.

And anyone who questioned those lies had their patriotism called into question.

It will start to get better.

Bush is a lame duck, so to speak, why worry about his political benefit? He wouldn't be around to exploit it anyway, and Cheney isn't running. That seems like a pretty lame excuse for allowing the bloodshed to continue... to avoid "Bush's political benefit". Is that the price of human lives?

Ah, so they caved under pressure. Good to know they will be running the show with such a history. You can only hope that it starts to get better, but that's just blind faith, like in that of Jesus himself. It's a religion- a cult, even; just without the God. Plenty of dogma to compensate, though.

The point is that there was not enough support to override Bush's veto.

And giving Bush - and the GOP - the political high ground would make it even harder to get a Democrat in the White House.

Plus - the type of diplomacy that needs to be done to end this war and move forward is impossible with Bush as President. He is far worse than a lame duck in many ways. He is part of the problem because his credibility is shot.

You're getting close, warren.

The continued War in Iraq is in Obama's best interest, as it helps him win the Presidency. If there were no war, Obama wouln't have a snowball's chance in heel of being the nominee, as the main issue would be the economy, and God knows there are more competent and prominent individuals to steward towards that end. So you basically have The Democratic elite sacrificing human lives so that they may garner power. Pretty fucking sick, but nothing new in the grand scope of history. Just don't call it 'change'.

Iraq is one of two wars we are fighting. And there is rising tension with Iran and Russia.

McCain's belligerence is a perfect recipe for WWIII.

And just watch what will happen to the economy then.

CNN and anyone else who thinks the economy - as opposed to Foreign Policy - is issue #1 is wrong.

The President has far more control over Foreign Affairs than they do over the economy.

OD

"I don't agree that Obama has taken the high road before."

The ONLY candidate in this long election cycle - who has been criticized on numerous occasions for not being more negative - is Senator Barack Obama.

Posted by: warren | September 13, 2008 3:35 AM

I disagree. He was going after Hillary when his poll numbers were in the tank. It was not anything other politicians would not do, but it ran smack dab in the face of his whole concept of a "new politics".

That war is inevitable either way, and it will be theater just like this election. Unfortunately, it will be a lot more bloody. Russia's been waiting years to even the score with us, it won't matter who's doing the talking. Great thanks to Saakashvili for getting the ball rolling to that end. What a guy.

EuroTom

I am not saying he has not gone negative. But there were several times in the primary - when observers, i.e., pundits, lawmakers and voters - cried out:

"When will Obama hit back"

"Is he tough enough"

"He has to go negative"

Those points were never raised with others.

He's not perfect - but he is a step in the right direction.

the problem Champ with shutting down the government is that everyone suffers and then there is definitely a voter backlash. We have to remember that with only a 1 seat difference between the Dems being a majority in the Senate and the Repugs being a minority, is the fact that Repugs can filibuster almost any proposal to death or even put "holds" on proposed legislation. I am not sure how it works in the House. My Mom is pissed at the Dems too, but most people don't understand that being the majority party does not equate to enormous power when the division is so close. Also in the House, you have to remember that a lot of Conservative Democrats were recruited in regions that were/are traditionally Republican. In order to hold their own Congressional seats, they have had to buck with the majority leadership. And for the Dem's majority, they've had to incorporate their positions into their legislative game plan because otherwise many would likely lose their seats creating a situation where the Repugs again would rule the roost.

He's not perfect - but he is a step in the right direction.

Posted by: warren | September 13, 2008 4:37 AM

Well compared to what we have now, he's leaps and bounds in the right direction. He burned my ass by not choosing Hillary as his running mate, but that doesn't mean I lose my head and vote for the party that hates ME and anything I believe in... I am tired, stopping now :)

McCain's tough talk only emboldened Saakashvili.

And what credibility does McCain have - who voted for the Iraq war - when he tells Russia it cannot invade a Sovereign nation.

oh yeah one more thing... In all the time I've been on this blog there are exactly two guys I've asked to see a pic of... and you are both here. Don't you guys have a profile, myspace, facebook or something? I am very much into studying people faces...

Piss poor excuse, Tom. You can settle for that; I won't. I understand, though. Politics, not principle. Just don't call it 'change'.

I don't support McCain anymore than I support Obama, warren. You'll receive no defense of either from me.

A war with Russia is NOT inevitable.

Great nations are often made by wars they don't fight as opposed to ones they do.

bye gentlemen... off to a street fair..

It will be a proxy war with Iran, or Syria, or such, not Russia itself.

McCain and the GOP do not even need to start another war to place this Country in danger.

If McCain is elected - and continues beating war drums and insulting foreign leaders - Iran, Russia and Venezuela could stop sending us oil.

It will be another mistake.

I am going to bed.

Night all.

(EuroTom - no pics - I like being just words...)

Oh really? To whom will they 'send' it, then? China, whose economy is driven by OUR consumerism? I wouldn't worry about it.

OK, warren; thank you for patronizing me. Goodnight.

I'm ugly, Tom. I look like the lead singer of the Pogues.

Same to you champ.

(btw - I did enjoy the sparring).

They could send it to China, India and the rest of the developing world.

It is a move that would no doubt hurt them - but it would hurt us worse.

I honestly believe that the only thing that will change will be the supreme court. We ar too deep into all the dirty little aspects of international intrigue and intimidiation that we have to see it thru - unless, of course, something like an asteroid coming at us RIGHT NOW shows up. It's the old chinese finger puzzle trick. We can't get out now and will only make a move when they do. Basically, I can't stand the thought of another repub government in the white house, no matter what.

Barak Obama better figure out how to win this thing - if he can't, he can't do the job of president. Being pres is a lot harder than winning this election - if he can't do the latter, there's no way he can do the former. In that case, he will and should be finished in politics, after the carnage he has left behind him. He's nothing new to me and a whole lot of others. The high road? He's only seen pictures of it - forget the hyperbole = Go out and win this thing!