Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I agree 9/11 is political. But what a shame. I heard Dubya linking 9/11 to war in Iraq AGAIN today.

It's sad Craig,

I think that is the legacy of Karl Rove, who used the attacks as a sledgehammer to gain more power for his President and party in 2002 and beyond...

911, political ?

I wonder when that happened, must of missed it.

Jack

The TV is off around here, I'm not much on funerals.
I'm gonna try to miss my own.
But the hoopla over it all is obscene to me. It started this morning with a fake special report on GMA. I was still on the morning coffee and thought at first they were getting ready to tell me Obama had been shot. I tell ya if I had a brick. I turned the TV off and there it will stay.

Jack

Jack, I don't know if you're still here. I know I said Ike was no big deal (in my opinion) this morning, but it's starting to look like I was wrong (even this far north).

They're running out of gas, water, ice etc., even in my area. Terrible traffic - I guess all those people evacuating are coming our way. I'm starting to figure that there's going to be a power outage too, using past history as a reference. Any excuse around here and there's an outage. We have a small generator and are hoping it fires up ok. Would hate to be without my computer for any length of time. (my greatest worry!)

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_wednesday_sept_10_94291.asp#more

Rachael Maddow off to a great start

When Maddow heard Buchanan's Republican National Convention speech as a 19-year-old, it left the Castro Valley native in tears and - along with her Bay Area upbringing - inspired her along a life path where she now gets paid to argue with Pat Buchanan. In between, she has unloaded trucks, worked in a jungle-themed espresso bar in San Francisco and served as a Rhodes Scholar. She is perhaps the only person to have worked with both the arch-conservative Buchanan and hip-hop star DJ Chuck D, her former partner on the liberal Air America radio network.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/11/MNJ012RR6S.DTL&hw=Maddow&sn=001&sc=1000

Chloe

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/campaign-map-back-to-the-futur.html#comment-143470

Pttttttttttttttttttttttth

Jack

What's your address, Jack? I'll mail you a brick.

911 has been used for all sorts of purposes - just wish our country would view it as a lesson and actually think before acting in a hostile manner.....think before silencing voices of dissent.....think of consequences for our future global identity, our economy, and our children...and innocents civilians worldwide.

http://www.operationiraqichildren.org/

http://sudhan.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/palin%e2%80%99s-wrongheaded-view-of-god%e2%80%99s-plans/

A response to Palin the Iraq War and God

Lest we forget: Neither the Iraqi people nor their government ever attacked the United States or threatened to do so. No matter how many contortions that Dick Cheney and George W. Bush have engaged in (e.g., WMDs, the war on terrorism, 9/11, spreading democracy, UN resolutions, and radical Islam), the simple truth remains: The U.S. government attacked Iraq, not the other way around.

"Any excuse around here and there's an outage"

Hey get the grill out cook the meat up, Get a couple jugs of whisky. Hurricane party Whoo hoo.

Just be sure to lay a few supplies in. canned goods water ect. Let us know if you survived.
I remember the icestorm of 2003 no internet connection for a week. It was horrible.

Jack

Man...I thought the whole Ground Zero thing with McCain and Obama was awkward and creepy. First, the asymmetry of having Cindy there if Michelle wasn't going to be there. Why couldn't she just have kept away? Better yet, why didn't they all just agree to agree to stay away instead of agree to agree to go and do this muted, unnecessary tribute? I don't think the country would have even noticed.

Obama seems to want to do things on his own, and on his own terms. It’s understandable. Obama has his own crowd – from Chicago, from Harvard, and from a new cadre of wealthy, Ivy-educated movers and shakers.

“He’s an arrogant S.O.B.,” one of the latter told me today. “He wants to do it his way, and his way alone.” But politics doesn’t work that way. And has Obama should know, or is about to find out, that everyone needs a little help.

After traveling with him on the trail, watching him in Denver and talking to Democratic operatives and insiders, here’s my list of his errant shots:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26640489/

Howard Fineman

Oh Jack. I know it won't be that bad. But an inconvenience just the same.

Jack, I feel kinda dumb asking this. But what is Pttttttttttth ? :)

Katherine, that msnbc link you just posted really surprised me considering where it came from.

While the polls don't always sound/look encouraging, this new voter data does. It's obviously going to be a GOTV game as it should and always has been.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/inside_obamas_groundgame.html

Based on the excerpt posted in the last thread, early indications are that Charlie Gibson probably blew it. It looked like he tried to come on strong on foreign policy right out of the box, but she was able to do everything he did, and do it backwards and in high heels, as they used to say of Ginger Rogers.

KGC...good post on the Fineman analysis, much as it pains me to praise anything that guy does. He's certainly better in print than he is on TV.

Lard,
Why would you say Gibson blew it?
Because he couldn't trip her up?
I think she's going to surprise you all.
Like I said before she's real. It's hard to trip someone up when they're 'real'.
Someone posted her in an Alaska debate the other day, and even in a debate, she was amazing. In high heels, no less.:)

Thanks, tylenol !

Reason 105 : bush/mccain/cheney is still lying that Iraq was in on 9/11.

106. bogus 'executive privilege' claims to shield law-breakers.

107. republican support of Big Tobacco i - a pro-life issue.

108. They voted raises for themselves and bush/cheney's political appointees.

Gotta feed my Sweetie.

Throw the bums out !

'bye for now.

I doubt Palin dropped anything from the speech she didn't author, someone else dropped it for her.... ; )

Chloe

I was sticking my tongue out at you for beating me with a link.

Jack

Once in a while, I like to post something out of character.

Bill Clinton predicts Obama will win 'handily'

Former President Clinton shared sandwiches at his office in Harlem with Barack Obama on Thursday and predicted that the Democrat will win the presidential race "pretty handily."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D934LQA80&show_article=1

Got it Jack. :)

What is Iike up to? anyone following the storm closely??

That was IKE

obama by 5 in Ohio.....wow

LL

Do you supose he underestmated her?
As I said last night she looks so unpolitical that you forget that to get where she is she has more than one set of nuts hanging in her trophy case.

Jack

Hurricane Ike is following a track similar to the 1900 Galveston hurricane that killed 8,000 people, the deadliest storm in U.S. history.

Ohio

RCP Average 09/05 - 09/10 -- 47.8 46.0 McCain +1.8

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

I think she has a "nut" collection in that trophy case......could even qualify as a must-see when visiting Alaska

oh sock - I was just repeating what the MSM said on television....

hurricane Ike

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/143912.shtml?3day?large#contents

One of John McCain’s sons bailed off the board of Silver State Bank just before the FDIC shut it down.

Like father, like son!

And that ain't a rap album.

Chloe, Jack...

I guess I should reserve judgment on the Gibson-Palin interview until I see it in its entirety. So I will.

But Chloe: The fact that Sarah Palin is "real" should have nothing to do with whether she is prepared to answer the gravest questions facing our country. I'd say a good 250 million of the 300 million people who live in our country are "real". Hell, on my good days, I even think I'm "real."

But what does that have to do with being qualified to be the President, which is what she told Gibson in no uncertain terms she was (which of course, she had to do.)?

The Palin thing is a huge fraud being perpetrated on the people. Right now, she's got the smartest people in the country briefing her, giving her multi-tabbed, color-coded notebooks that boil it all down, predicting what is going to be asked of her, and basically she's able to make up for the rest through her pure, natural charm. (God, I hope her answer on Ukraine was the right one. Hell if I know. But if it's not, are we at war?) And like that.

But mainly, where does that leave any of us? With our beloved Next Door Neighbor and her finger on the button?

I know plenty of "real" people who drive their kids to sports practice and/or can skin large mammals. But none of them would pretend to be able to LEAD our nation. And as of that Gibson quote, she now is saying that she is prepared to LEAD OUR NATION. (Which, of course, she had to say. But still.)

The whole thing is a joke.

And while we're on the subject, I hate all the circle-jerking going on about the term "hockey mom." It somehow implies someone tougher and more rugged and genuine than a flighty, nothing-but-time-and-a-minivan-on-her-hands "soccer mom," but it's basically the same thing. If your kids play sports, you support them from the sidelines. You're not out on the field.

Who cares what the sport is? Hockey mom is nothing different than football mom or basketball mom or golf mom or even piano mom or ballet mom, or whatever. But I seriously doubt we'd be seeing those terms trumped up as much. She's just playing it to the hilt.

She is such a total phony.

One thing that scares me about McCain, is that he is an under-achiever.....and weak .....he has caved on his own principles for support from Bush and the likes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html?ref=politics

Torture.....sure it's okay !

And if someone ever said -- "The difference between a piano mom and a pitbull? Lipstick!" -- they'd absolutely be laughed off the stage.

I say, "The difference between a Hockey Mom and a Hockey Player? An actual Hockey Stick!"

Well, thanks for all that Lard.

I can tell you feel pretty strongly about it and maybe you think I'm taking it too lightly. But, you might have to take into consideration that I don't think Obama is any more qualified than her. And as many 'real' people that you think there are in the world, I'm not so sure of that. I hope you know when I said real, I meant honest. And honesty goes a long way with me.

I'm assuming by what you said, you consider her less than qualified for the office. Are you telling me you feel Obama is qualified?

I appreciate you giving me your thoughts on it though. I've never been too sure how you feel about it. Has it ever crossed your mind you could be underestimating her? Or are ALL Republicans evil in your mind?

Maybe you're underestimating a lot of people.

Lard
And you think Senator Obama is? cow patties.

He is even less qualified.

julie

He is such a phony!

LL

Look how boldly she did the "are you ready question", everybody seems to expect a female version of Dan Quail. If she preforms that strongly in the rest of the interview then she is no Dan Quail. i think the Dems need to leave her alone, admit to themselve she is the real deal and dangerous, then go after McCain. If McCain continues to tour with her then start questioning his manhood until he stops. And go after him some more.

Jack

No more a joke than Obama, Lard, and you know it. What makes Obama qualified to have his finger on the button?

Of all the people in America, these 4 people are the ones from whom you get to choose. Kind of sad, huh?

There's two sides to every story Lard.

The First and Last Word On Lipstick

"Imagine for a moment if John McCain had used a similar shopworn phrase in reference to Barack Obama's policies. Suppose he said, "Obama says he's going to cut your taxes but he's really going to raise them. My friends, it's time for some straight talk about taxes, it's time to call a spade a spade."

"Do you think for a second the Joe Kleins, Andrew Sullivans, and Josh Marshalls of the world wouldn't scream from the rooftops that McCain had used a racial slur against Obama?"

"So count me among those who are underwhelmed by the entire episode. Obama played cute and got caught. The McCain campaign did what any campaign would do - and probably a lot less than the Obama camp would have done if the shoe were on the other foot."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_first_and_last_word_on_lip.html

Chloe and Julie......wow......sometimes I wonder why you don't just announce your support for McCain...or have you?

I mean seriously, you both are consistent on the non-issues....I have to admit, I'm not the best at following all your posts, I don't have that luxury of time.

Whoa... not trying to pile on. Cross-post.

I think Obama is definitely more qualified than she is. Plus, he's a Democrat...so even if he is an incompetent, he will be incompetently pushing positions I agree with.

The best-case scenario you can offer for Palin, if you're a Democrat like I am, is that she will be incompetently pushing positions abhorrent to your core beliefs. Worst-case scenario is that she actually will turn out to be competently pushing views that are destructive and wrong.

So Chloe and Julie Young, I'm really not sure what your core politics are. I guess that's the real question. But I know what mine are.

"The difference between a Hockey Mom and a Hockey Player? An actual Hockey Stick!"

Your contempt is really showing through. I'm just not sure what it's about.

Champ...I hear you. But see my 7:46 post. It pretty much explains where I stand in this Through The Looking Glass World of people who probably shouldn't be running for president, but are.

There you go, just like the rest Lard. Insinuating Julie and I aren't 'real Democrats' like you. Now you've lowered yourself to the same level as all the others who attack on a personal level.

Chloe...yes, I have contempt for phony Elmer Gantry crapola being mass-perpetrated on the American public. That's what it's about.

Sometimes, contempt can be our friend.

Say that over and over to yourself before you go to bed tonight.

Matthews is a dupe. When Hillary Clinton was asked the same question over and over and over and she finally changed the answer -she was attacked for the last answer.

All Palin did was repeat the same answer to the same question asked three time. Not to mention, Matthews thought her answer was correct.

UB

I do not like some of the republican policies. It pains me what the democratic party has become. As long as Dean is dnc. I wil not vote for them. That said. I definitely will not vote for Obama. His empty suit seems to get more empty every day.
At least McCain is more qualified as well as Palin is.
It is frightening to think of an arrogant no nothing if a 3 am call came. Uh Ah Oh, what do I do Hillary?

Whether I vote for McCain Palin is still open. But I sure like that couple far better than Obama Biden.
No way Obama

"Words, just words---don't tell me words don't matter"
Barack Obama

Thus spoke the "brilliant" enlightened one.

And that quote came without all the stamering becqaudse he was reading them. Can't think on his feet.

Give me a break, words do matter! It's a shame he doesn't have Hillary and Bill to demonize--there he was truly brilliant as us idiots lapped it up. Bye Bye America

Well, that's as honest a rationalization as I'll get. Fair enough. Just admit Obama ain't qualified, and it would be completely honest.

The whole black-white, red-blue, right-wrong, dem-gop thing is counter-productive, imo. Btw.

Say that over and over to yourself before you go to bed tonight.

Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | September 11, 2008 7:50 PM

No I won't you judgmental hypocrite.

Matthews has on Willie Brown, former mayor of SF and speaker of the Cal assembly. His take on things blows.

Hilarious how you and others belittle Buchanan in one breath and use him for validation with the next.

Please excuse the spelling and grammar errors above--Chloe and Julie "pumped me up"

Champ....you probably weren't on the board as much during the Obama-Hillary wars, so I'll give you a pass.

I've already said (mostly) everything negative that I plan to say about Barack Obama. But now all I want is for him to beat McCain. That's all. That pretty much will inform all of my posts here.

Really ...it's about pretty easily defined issues....Chloe and Julie, I am sure you realize that....so if you are truly democrats....than why in the world would you be acting like republicans????? Are you kidding yourselves or just playing games????

This is an important election for us.....it's not a fad or something to toy with....

You know I've been called a lot of things since I first found this site. You'd think I'd be used to being called names and being accused of being all kinds of things because of what I think. But Lard, I sure didn't expect it from you.

Chloe...I'm sorry I don't happen to agree with you. But I feel no personal animosity toward you. I hope I didn't convey that. Meanwhile, please don't call me names anymore, okay?

Chloe...I didn't call you anything. I think you're just imputing way too much here from the conversation.

Let's both take a breath and back off. Okay?

"You're either with us, or against us"

-George W. Bush

Whether the preliminary reports are true will be another discussion but if McCain and Palin drew 20,000 plus in Fairfax City, Virginia (a bastion of Liberals) then Obama/Biden is in deep do do!

I'm not much of a party person but if Democrats want to win they better find a way for Hillary to Lead the ticket!

Chloe and Julie......wow......sometimes I wonder why you don't just announce your support for McCain...or have you?

Chloe...that wasn't my post. Go back and look.

ouchie momma - calling LL a name.

maybe Chloe has a bit of Palin in her......

"You're either with us, or against us"

Champ, I guess the Democrats feel the same way. Glad I'm an Independent now. I never want to have anything to do with that party again. This did it.

UB---

One of the nice things about naming myself "Lardass" is that I get all of the name-calling out of the way up front!

Chloe

Be careful and don't confuse who is saying what. There are several in here playing jr high pile on crap. you know them, ignore them.

Jack

yer either faux us or against us......

Thanks Champ. But I stopped reading her posts long ago.

Laugh out load on that comment Lard.

Thanks Jack. I've finally learned the rules. Nice to know you're here though.

Jack:

Thanks for that covering fire.

I really, really have been trying to read and keep up with ALL the threads. But I'm also trying to make a living.

Lately I've lost track of lots of the personalities and dynamics here, so lots of times I feel sort of like a blind man in traffic.

Maybe the answer is to get to the other side of the street and just shut the fug up for a while.

--Lard.

who's chloe? is she new?

It's got ear holes for just such occasions.

Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | September 11, 2008 8:14 PM

Hey; they're good for a laugh. Who couldn't use a laugh every now and then?

That's what the Bushie's like, never say anything that is outside the box...stfu and get in line...look what they did to Joseph Wilson.

Putting a nominee ahead of country is dangerous in this case. When a nominee is as inexperienced as Obama, it is necessary to consider the country and not the nominee. The party be hanged.. Brazille said she would tear the party apart if he had too. Well she is. good luck with the new democrats..

I also am now an independent.. And for your information I have always voted democratic..
Hang in there Chloe, you are doing fine.

julie

I made a "drug-pushers" analogy, which is inaccurate. They're more like mob goons trying to coerce protection money out of the local shop-keeper as if it were in his/her best-interest.

Julie, I don't know what it is, but you always seem to be around when I need you most. Thanks!

manana.

To all Dems, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians and/or non-affliated here, I say thanks for just showing up! With apologies to Woody Allen, of course.

Woody couldnt make it.

Chloe, I certainly wouldn't pay any attention to Burrito Bi**h, and that overbearing as***** from NYC.

I like how you think and where you stand. It's not often we find principled people in this world. You[re OK in my book.

Thanks Sturge. That makes one less person I have to apologize to tonight.
Jeezlouise! What is it about this place? Just when I get out...it keepsPULLINmebackIN!

LL

I think it is time for me to go back to posting music.

Before I do let me say one thing. I don't believe that Palin is an Elmer Gantry, Her religion is honest. How much that religion influences her decisions is a good question. But when she is speaking about God it is from the heart imo. None of that means I want her for VP

I don't feel that way about GWB who is a religious phoney IMO. That is all I'm going to say for now.

Jack

Who is AC Really? Very Potty Mouth ;0)

How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment, and why am I afraid of a woman in the White House?

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/11/zombie_feminism/

Good to see Patsi back....grrrrrrrrr

Obama should bluntly say he will partiipate in the town hall format McCain has suggested.

He should also suggest that at least one of the townhalls would include both the presidential and vice-presidential candidates.

It is difficult to convince undecided voters that you want to discuss issues when you reject the townhall format.

speaking of which:

Spade......Cooling it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkM2igp82Ec

LL, I find Chloe's posts curiously double talking and inconsistant myself. I'm glad someone with validity here finally called her on it.

The public in many polls has said they prefer the debates to ads and Obama is wrong not to agree to the meetings. He is the one who looks afraid,

I visit NYC often, for fun and business.......and I speak my mind.....and for you and your clan, that makes me a bitch because I am not a republican.

so Animal Control ie:Patsi.....get over yourself.

PS. one thing I do not do is call names, that is absolutely beneath me.

have fun and be all that you can be...it's actually stunning

Fat's on the fire foks, and I gotta go. I apologize to everyone who hates me.

Meanwhile, my big headline is that I'm adopting a second Jack Russell rescue pup Saturday. Driving down to Palm Beach County to pick up "Kaley", who hopefully will become a great playmate to Chopper. We'll see.

I'll let you know...

Sturgeone,

Was it necessary to remind me that I used to watch Spade Cooley on TV, and Cliffie Stone, and Molly Bee and Beanie & Cecil when they were still puppets rather than cartoons.

Went hunting, I had totally forgotten that he murdered his wife.

http://www.biography.com/notorious/crimefiles.do?action=view&profileId=259623&catId=259461

chloe & julie,

You ladies have nailed it! This is something they don't want to talk about, BHO inexperience. They want to talk about Sarah Palin's inexperience to be VP, but not BHO's to be POTUS. This really is the theater of the absurd

The 3 monkeys: See no, hear no and speak no.
Or you could just as well call them: MSM, DNC, Liberal D.
BTW, the order is interchangeable.

Lard,

My Guess - is the only ones who hate you, hate you for your opinion, and if they can't respect that in a free country .....who needs 'em?

UB--Ditto.

Sheila,

Kitchen Nightmares is on!!!!

hazardous duty pay and per diem forthcoming, I suppose?

CS-UB,
You remember the mouth. Got chastised a while back for name calling. can't help themselves. anger mgt probs.

For the bastards that think fly planes into buildings
who think they can terrorize us or scare us
Here is a big FU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WXSI6PcjkE

"You and I together we shall not be moved
You and I together we shall not be moved
Like a tree that along the water
We shall not be moved"

Jack

This may seem like a stupid observation........but why don't posters want to be honest about their preference for the president of the united states?

Wouldn't it be a more respectable conversation, if we knew that the comments were coming from one camp or the other?

Actually.....in foreign affairs that is the way it HAS to be before respect is found......or even a conversation starts

So I feel if there is disrespect here, it is based on false comments intending to inflame.

Look to the instigator not to the response.

LOL

The email went out and the chickens is home

Jack

lambchop....funny name...i have no idea what you are talking about....

Chloe; ........... Don't fret - they are like a bunch of David Axlerods, who was extremely good at beating up a middle-aged woman, but can't do s&^t against the men and one tough young woman...................................

Champ; 9:38 pm previous............. Your right , your not the only Ron Paul supporter out there - as Solar Crete said, I believe I'll vote for him as well. After all, he's a constitutionalist and so whomever is nominated to the SC will also be constitutionalists and down ticket dems. Screw the backroom DNC.......Also the other post about being able to ask again what happened on 9/11 and who's responsible, not while the San Fran lefty is the speaker, she won't even consider impeachment - now this is a bitch .............................

Pogo; 8:47 am previous .............. I really agree about the Hilton, it's probably the whole top floor in Hawaii. I mean they can find moving license plates for god's sake, how can they not find a 6ft,4in. arab, dragging a dialysis machine behind him. They armed him and the muhjadeen to fight the russians in Afghanistan, and just like Saddam, when he wouldn't roll over like a good dog any more - well, gotta go..........................

bacaangel; 9:07 am previous ........ I hope we never, ever, have to deal with a president that people, want to have a beer with, again. Presidents should be smarter than me, and above it......................................

Bowmanc; 3:04 pm ...................... Me too, I'd like to know who his controller is.......................................

Hillary has guts, Sarah Palin has guts, Ron Paul has guts for taking on the status quo. Obama has none and Mc left his in vietnam......... too bad for us................

Rita

LOL

The melon is green but the moose still walk

"Hillary has guts, Sarah Palin has guts, Ron Paul has guts for taking on the status quo. Obama has none and Mc left his in vietnam......... too bad for us................"

Rita

You maybe right.
lol
All I know is when it comes to Palin the Democrats need to look out. I think she could be the first woman president no matter what happens in this election.

Jack

McCain disgraces the dead of the World Trade Center and Pentagon and Penna field.
He went along with Bush as Bush said he was going to smoke OBLaden out, to when Bush abandoned Afghanistan and said "I don't think about him (OBLaden) any more."
As Bush declared Afghanistan a low priority and went full bore into Iraq, McCain swallowed all the Kool-Aid and went overboard to ensure America that he was in Bush's camp 100%.
Now we keep hearing how McCain "hates" Bush !! No he doesn't, not at all. McCain IS McBush, he is no 'maverick' or anything of the sort.
Obama right now is calling for R.O.T.C. to return to the Columbia campus...Obama is no peace candidate, and indeed is already calling for a huge build-up into Afghanistan. Still, he IS a change from Bush, and that's the truth. Obama is friend to farmers and workers, to America .
McCain is another shit sandwich.

Lard,

Your Welcome......lol For That!

Nothing like treating a human being with respect and dignity right? have a good evening with those puppies.

that will be "Mr President Shit Sandwich" If Obama doesn't get his shit together.

JacK

Lamb Chops,

I got exactly what you were saying and I agree with you whole heartedly. thank you, whoever you are ;0)

I'd like to know what Rita considers middle aged....LOL

&

Rita the republican?? <- would that be right? I don't want to make a mistake.

Fry,

You go right ahead and watch Kitchen Nightmares. lol I think its trash.

Champ
Oh you get it!
Chloe
You have every right to your opinion's!! Don't back down,stay strong!!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/no-rest-for-911-politics.html#comment-143556

Well, from what I have seen as a lurker for some months. Politically Pissed, AKA Rita is Republican. Nothing wrong with that, mind you. Live and let live, but Rita is definitely a Republican.

Just like Chloe, confused me. I have never heard a liberal, even center left that sounded like Chloe.

Like I said and with all respect, live and let live.

my main reason for being here tonight was to hope to gain some support for the Iraqi children....this is what I do every 9-11....My first post was held up......too many links...we need to know and own what our country does.....we have been shelter from the facts for too many years............

http://i35.tinypic.com/2dc7o9f.jpg

Heres what you can do to help:

http://www.nomorevictims.org/

thank you to those who consider....and thank you to those who actual take a moment to care.

Commendable UB... These are the real victims from 2003 on.

whskyjack, you are so right. Whatever it takes, Obama must pull out all the stops and go for the jugular. He must ease any fears the fringe voters may have about his religion and everything else about him.
His service spot on TV just concluded and he gave a standard performance, OK. No chance to climb in the polls there, just another night. I saw today Obama is trailing in Ohio, and the chatter about a possible Obama victory in Montana probably won't happen.
Still, America Left (powered by Air America) radio commentators are all calling for an Obama landslide.
They better get the CQ calculator.

yep, we have been shielded from the reality of war.......we moan about 9/11 - yet in the following 7 years we could fill the towers many times over with what we ave done.

We need a change, and now is the time!

Burrito; 9:31 pm ...."Rita the republican " would be a big mistake, just as Sheila's wrong in her post of 9:35 pm...
I've always believed that you can admire certain traits or qualities in people without being in total agreement with their philosophies - over your heads? ...........

Rita

Rock on, tony. You rule.

Thanks for proving my mob analogy accurate, GANG... Oh jeez, I'm funny.

Dex,
You are so right, and isn't it just amazing how people don't consider those facts.

I am a softy when it comes to the living....we as a country, as a force, we have no right to maim and butcher in the name of 9-11. SunTzu should be required reading for every politician.

Okay Rita...whatever...I am sorry I thought you were a republican ( is that a dirty word here?) .....I just never encounter a democrat or moderate that made similar comments as yours. Granted......I only read about one out of five, but they all have the same flavor.
"Over my head".....sure... if that snide comment make you feel better.... : )

take a look - make a difference

http://www.nomorevictims.org/

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice should be standing in the Hague facing war crimes charges, if it was in the Hague the rest of the world might believe that we could come back to our former moral status. But while pelosi is the speaker we can't even consider impeachment, I wonder how much that cost? The backroom dems of the NEW democratic party are almost exactly a carbon copy - he voted for FISA, they bugged Cindy Sheehan's phone when she announced she would be running against pelosi and we saw with our own eyes, the forum that was afforded to the protesters in Denver, this is democracy? Personally I find this, and the extreme, leftist race-baiting and sexism, really embarrassing as a life-long democrat

If all you obots are after is a "pound of flesh", I've already donated by trying to defend my candidate against the obots sliming.......................................

Rita

Hey keen! Pam Anderson is anti-Palin, told her to go suck.lol

Dateline Dallas:

Ike's on his way to the TX coast and millions of folks have fled north to D-FW, again. The more this happens, the more organized everyone gets, at least.

We're supposed to have tropical storm winds and rain this weekend, and we're hundreds of miles from the coast. This is a big 'en.

tt

Ron Paul doesn't support Bush's policies, that's who Rita supports. Oh, you'd have to read her posts to know that... what's that, you did? Oh, THAT'S right, I forgot you were a compulsive liar.

Spare me. You guys ride in here on your high horses a la "Flight of the Valkyries" and try to trample all over Rita and Chloe and whoever else dares voices dissent.

Hey

WHEEEEEEEE

big fight , big fight
Silly liberals , losers losers

Wheeeeeeeeee
nobody loves a loser

Go for a winner

Wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny, Johnny,Johnny,

Go Go Go

By any other name a spade is still a spade, Now where is Karolena to spout her racist stuff.

WHEEEEEEEEE

"whoever else dares voices dissent. "

NO, NO ,NO
NO DISSENT, NEVER!!

Go for a winner

Wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny, Johnny,Johnny,

Go Go Go

Burrito; 10:11 pm ............ Took a look at the link you posted, and just like the rest of this despicable, protect the oil bull*&^%, it broke my heart. I really wish I was younger and in a position to do more but I'm just one of those blue-collar, working woman, Hillary voters, and we're just scraping by ourselves......... BTW if Cheney thinks he's going to be able to control China by controlling Middle-east oil, he better think again, they already own most of North Africa's, South America's and some of Canada's - they're buying it with the interest on the loans their making us to fight "terrorism" .....................................................

Rita

If Rita is voting Ron Paul - why does she give a sh*t what anyone says.....obviously she knows her candidate will lose...and her vote is meaningless....so what is her point????

WHEEEEEEEEEE

We guys? Is that same group as "those people"?

CODE WORD, CODE WORD,CODE WORD,CODE WORD,

WHEEEEEEEEE

Go for a winner

Wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny, Johnny,Johnny,

Go Go Go

Rita ...my post above was in answer to Champs post ....stating your beliefs...I apologies if I reacted out of line to someone speaking for you.....

Rita ...my post above was in answer to Champs post ....stating your beliefs...I apologies if I reacted out of line to someone speaking for you.....

The typical coward snickers.

I wonder...do I have "high horses" ? I have always wanted one....lmao...and to have one without knowing is, like kind of a disappointment..

You have the highest horse of all. How's the weather up there?

Patsi (animal control)- stfu

Right now it's clear and the north star is reflecting off the water....creating a shimmering and small sparkle in the darkness

Champ; 10:31 pm ...... Thanks, but I'm an "old" bitch, they can't hurt me......................................

Burrito; 10:41 pm ....... My point in voting Ron Paul, which isn't assured yet, is just to send a message to the manipulative DNC that they will not MAKE me do it their way. I don't want to vote repug, but I will NOT vote for that neutered, engineered opportunist that was handed to us by acclamation. Because of his very suspect associations and because of his wife. Voting off dem on the top of the ticket, and voting dem down ticket will ensure the House and Senate and if pelosi dies(I hope) and the legislative branch does it's job, it won't matter who's on top of the executive branch......

Rita

I received a notice that I was posting to much, and should wait for a while, sorry if I intruded, been lurking for over a year and felt like I knew all of you well enough. No one came to Patsi's defense, so I will U.B. you know very well that A.C is not Patsi--you just want to keep her away,grrrrr
she doesn't grrrr,she will tell you straight out to pee up a rope. I see a few more Ron Paul Ind's now thanks------keep it up, hope is that there will be enough from the left, and the right to build up the middle after this.You are a very smart individual U.B.and your double meaning is breaking up all the friends you used to have, you have new one's now but watch your back.Pogo gave a very (last thread) about how
the Supreme and the reason he is going to vote for Sen O.Very simple language, and reason that anyone can understand. That is thee way to win over others,but your way just pushed more to the ind's thanks.

hah!!!!.....no one rides with me unless they promise to vote Obama.....in blood

Naw, Solar, that just happens when you double-click the submit button. You don't post too much at all.

Rita-nice to know someone here can read. as for the hyena crew they just spew their bile at anyone not conforming--they've already ordered brownshirts.

http://www.astro.psu.edu/~msinha/Images/bitch.jpg

Rita, if your vote isn't assured yet, please......take some time before you vote to look at the big ugly picture looming before us. We both know that no one person will be perfect, and we really don't know what will become of either man when drenched in the amount of power you and I can no more imagine then fly, so go with your instinct and your core beliefs.....and then vote...it is important...and meaningful....try not to be bitter in a bitter unfair world.....

You see I really believe that "change" is possible, and no amount of old time political smears will sway me....it's bigger and more real this year.....

peace~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c

There's some Philly Soul for you, UB.

Well, Rita, I'm voting for Ron Paul partly because he didn't endorse himself, but 4 other candidates. Sure the power-brokers laugh at write-in votes, but I'm not voting for them, I'm voting for those who died and were injured fighting for my right to do so. It's my way of saying "Thanks, fellas."

Obama, Biden, McCain, and Palin will all have a good laugh together after the election. "They bought it! Can you believe it?"

Biden even said himself that he had great respect for McCain, and would consider it a pleasure to run either with or against him. What does that tell you?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/no-rest-for-911-politics.html#comment-143669

A special response to SolarCrete
You're telling me to watch my back - what do you mean?
What kind of intimidation are you pushing on me?
Unacceptable. Do it again at your our peril.

Wow. Sarah Palin is George W. Bush. That was a devastatingly embarrassing interview. No wonder they've kept her hidden. I know a lot of people have been remarking upon her bellicose (and largely uninformed) response to the Russian conflict, but this is merely war-mongering neo-con ideology. What is inexcusable is her complete ignorance of the Bush doctrine. It's not a minor issue - no matter how the Republicans try to spin this. It's the *major* Bush contribution to the history of foreign policy. Holy cow! And again, we get this nutty "energy is the answer" response to national security questions. Again, she is just as clueless and stupid as Bush. She may be a strong woman and an up-and-coming figure in the Republican army, but she is clearly not ready to be vice president.

Hear Hear ! PU

UB
Got to bed sober up,
Solarcrete wasn't threatening you. He was trying to be nice and warn you.
He needs to be more cynical. Like me. You made your bed, when it happens you earned it.

Jack

Jack,
I have not been drinking, I know a threat when I see one, and I have the means to stop it. So don't you pile on and get into something you don't want to be a part of. Please.

Warn me about what ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IXmHqPWxUw&feature=related

Ron Paul. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a great guy, being a racist homophobe and all....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html

By the way, watching this interview again on Nightline, she's mispronouncing the word "nuclear"

PU

Just saw it on you tube, she looks a lot like Obama only a little sharper on the up take. Or have you forgotten the numbers of stumbles and sillyness he has said.

An average job with an interview that was designed to be a series of gotchas. Not unexpected for a person who's job until a week ago was to be an expert on all things Alaska. and after all she is only the VP.

Lets give Obama a similar interview, see how he fairs.
Notice she knows how to speak with out all the uh uh uh.

Jack

Jack: Don't be an idiot. It's the freaking Bush Doctrine, the most significant aspect of his foreign policy. It's not trivia. It's not gotcha. She's out of her depth.

Going to go grab a smoke. This election is too much : )

Jack....lol May he become President and uh uh uh you until you forget it after 8 years. ;0)

One person's empty suit is another person's brilliance. Just has a lot to do with what color your glasses are.

And Rita, Unlike a lot of regulars here. I don't feel a Republican is so bad. But in truth, you might listen to yourself. Because I honestly thought you were with all the contempt you have towards everyone in this party. Sorry If I was wrong.

Good night all!

inre; Palin interview. Roland Martin and even Bay Buchanon were both chuckling under their breath. Give me a physical break!

U.B. as you can from my posts I'm the very direct type.I ahve never threatened anyone in my whole life,not even in anger----some have felt that way. Thank you Jack for being a fair person,I know that you and every one here, including ub are just that,fair for the most part. I think that sheis just on an emotional ride right now, and her reasons I can understand,but it's getting the best of her some times,like O D say's, get out and get away from it all once in a while

I haven't seen the Palin interview how was it?

I've been off drinking a couple of beers in honor of my friend who died 7 years ago today in New York....

I don't know if he was a Metallica fan but this song captures my mood right now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92miS5edOao

Palin sure didn't look like a pitbull in that interview.

They need to get off the whole - being close to Russia thing. It was not a good line when Palin said that you can actually see Russia from her state.

And Foreign Policy should not be dismissed. Congress has a heck of a lot more control over domestic issues.

Wait...she didn't know the Bush Doctrine?

Someone didn't tell her to just say it's to fuck shit up?

"Or have you forgotten the numbers of stumbles and sillyness he has said."

Jack, We the American people only worry about last night.
Bush Doctrine wtf?.

btw, Can you tell me who won American idol. I'm dying here!

For whom the bell tolls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63YItfPDG4&feature=related

Refresh my memory who the palinista is...

From what I can remember, lurking as I do. Prof marica, Chloe, Zoey, Patsi, Wino......did I miss anyone?

LOL @ Champ. Cute!

Scary.

Well.......It is time to get off the computer. Champ have a great night.

Whoever gets up from here until morning. Have a great night. Life is good and we are in a special time in our country's history. Feel blessed to be a part of it!

Good night

This is how you keep the Russians in line...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/no-rest-for-911-politics.html

I meant this actually...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2GqWNvvl0s

Bear,
My nephew chased Metallica all over europe this past June and July.

I think he left them in Belgium. . had to get home

Before I get out of here. Bear, Blue, Doots, and whoever else is in the State of Texas. So glad you aren't in the path of Ike.

Sounds like a game changer for Galveston and Corpus Christi. Good Luck!

Conservative though she may be, I felt that Palin represented an explosion of a brand new style of muscular American feminism. At her startling debut on that day, she was combining male and female qualities in ways that I have never seen before. And she was somehow able to seem simultaneously reassuringly traditional and gung-ho futurist. In terms of redefining the persona for female authority and leadership, Palin has made the biggest step forward in feminism since Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/

Palin Links Iraq to Sept. 11 In Talk to Troops in Alaska

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews

I don't know what the Bush doctrine is but I know it when I see it. It is all purpose term to allow full latitude to claim it was meant to be whatever worked.

Who disagrees with this?

" [I]f there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."

Boooosh doctrine

McCain Taps Lobbyist for Transition

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840722,00.html

By tapping Timmons, McCain has turned to one of Washington's steadiest and most senior inside players to guide him in the event of a victory — but also to someone who would represent the antithesis of the kind of outside-of-Washington change he has recently been promising. One Republican familiar with the process said the decision to involve Timmons could become a political liability for the campaign's reformist image, especially in the wake of the controversies over the lobbying backgrounds of other McCain staffers, including campaign manager Rick Davis. "It's one more blind spot for Rick Davis and John McCain," the person said.

Charlie "capital gains" Gibson was an idiot then and he was a priggish snob buffoon this time playing gotcha interview

Gibson will get hero status for his faux tough interview with Palin instead of being relegated to the trash heap of irrelevant anchors.

Tom Daschle, his wife and his children are lobbyists.

McCain Still Struggling With The Basics

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralObject=850878100

iGNORE THE KNOTHEADS

To whom are you referring?

Where were YOU on 9/11 when the Towers were hit? Most people clearly remember. Wouldn't it be sick to know were Obama and McCain were?

A word of advice :
Gas up your cars before Ike hits. ( No matter where you live.) Because America's petro/chem industry is about to be hit, and hit very hard.

Good luck to everyone near Houston .... You're gonna need it.

http://my.sfwmd.gov/sfwmd/common/images/weather/plots/storm_09.gif

Dutton Peabody's right! Here we go again with gas.

tt

"The National Weather Service, whose reports often contain only the dry language of meteorology, was discernibly more excited in its 8:19 p.m. bulletin:

"Life threatening inundation likely!" the service said — a statement directed at those living beyond the protection of the sea wall and close to where Ike comes ashore. "All neighborhoods ... and possibly entire coastal communities ... will be inundated during the period of peak storm tide. Persons not heeding evacuation orders in single family one- or two-story homes will face certain death."

Hang in there Chloe, you are doing fine.

julie September 11, 2008 8:19 PM
==============
CHLOE, JULIE: I've really enjoyed all ya'lls post tonight ... I understand exactly what you are "trying" to get them to understand ... but they just can't see ...

Another night when condensending voices on here .... hang in there, gals ... when I can get there, am going to change to Independent too ... a friends sent me an email that lined up BO & Palins Facts ,,,

Too bad the weather's too bad for flying ... just bought me a new Corn Broom .... !:^}
viv

I just watched the video of the Palin interview. Did you notice that she pronounces "noo-ku-lar" just like W? Also, I hope somebody fact checks her on being able to see Russia from Alaska. I know they are close - but I thought is was about 50 miles at the nearest point. She must have some pretty good eyesight, especially given the curve of the earth and all. (Oops, I forgot. She probably thinks the world is flat.)

Well, I think I just answered my own question about whether you can really see Russia from Alaska. Its yes and no. From the mainland of Alaska, its not possible. But there is an Alaskan island in the Bering Straight (Little Diomede) which is very close to a Big Diomede, which is Russian. At the closest distance between the Little Diomede, USA and the Big Diomede, Russia, the two islands are only about 4 km (2.4 mi) apart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

To all who might have to contend with Ike in a serious way, good luck and get outta town.

To everyone: ATTENTION:

I am not a democrat or republican. It appears that there are very stringent rules for qualification as either one.
I have not been able to locate any written rules as such but apparently :proven" members of each party are aware of them.

To be a member of either party, apparently the applicant must relinquish all rights to judge for her/himself. Disagreement with "proven" members of either party obviously dis-qualifies applicants.

The applicant must also agree to the interpetation of the constitution and other laws as stated by "proven" members of either party. Further, the applicant can not ever point out that many long-time "proven" party members disagree with each other violently.

Obviously, if you want to be a member of either party, you must listen and not speak. You should never
never never declare your status as a member if you have been called out by a "proven" member.

I make this statement: I agree with much of the so-called beliefs of the democratic party but not all of it.
I also do not admire much of the behaviour of the "proven" and/ or well-known member of said party.
I would never cede any of my rights to that party.

That said, I agree with a small amount of the so-called beliefs of the republican party, a small amount but DO
definitely agree with it.

As for the rest, I can go along with letting the majority rule, but will not accept dumping the minority.

I find some good things Nixon did (horrors, you say. Ever heard of ddt?) I was not enamored of JFK (what a cold cold bitch I must be). My biggest fear is the mania
of religion writing our laws for that will be the end of us.

So what does that make me? An independent, just like those 13 colonies who gave us the opportunity to think for ourselves and not be subject to penny-ante
qualifiers. Chloe and Julie and Champ and any others who apparently don't show themselves to be good
"proven" party members - I don't agree with all you say but I'm interested in what you say and why you believe it. Go figure - I grew up in America.

Better buy gas wherever you are. Venezuela and Bolivia just kicked our ambassadors out , Chavez is yelling go to hell America. Probably no more oil from them for a while.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080912/ts_nm/venezuela_chavez_dc;_ylt=AqfHX5lO.Z4DACOoKOSSugOGWo14

There are reasons that will prevent Venezuela from cutting off oil to the US.

"The plain vanilla fact-of-the-matter is that Venezuela has no other market for the greater part of its oil. Heavy crude is special stuff and is not for the average refinery. The majority of Venezuela's oil can only be processed in the specialist refineries run by Hovensa (a joint venture between US refiners Hess Corp and PdVSA) located in the US Virgin islands, amongst other places."

Quote from link posted below.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/25485-heavy-crude-why-venezuela-and-the-u-s-need-each-other

Such a weak, watery, wicked old harridan, substituted for the pretty creature I had been used to see.
--De Quincey.

Not you, Chloe, Viv, OSH, Julie, bethy, Rita, Zoey, Marcia, or Wino......regardless of whom you support for president. As you may know, I support obama, but only because McCain is a dangerous ill-tempered wax figure of what used to be a man........Maybe some feel that Decency must be sacrificed in support of a candidate, but I cant see it. Just like Kerry.....if he wins, he wins.....He's made it his very own to win or lose, and his main supporters seem hell-bent towards insuring an insular loss......

SolarC......you should post more, not less.

add tt and blue to the list......those ladies who support whom they support without use of extreme sarcasm and animosity. I'm sure there are more.....

wait a minute.......I feel some Blazing Inferno coming on.........stand back............

extreme sarcasm and animosity should be reserved for bush/cheney and their oil junta......anything less would be too little......but regular people on a blog?
lol

oy.

sturgeone,,
Read your 7:07 post, but why do you support BHO? What can you point that makes you feel safe, in a very unsafe world?

You can try cases in court or in the newspapers. The newspaper might provide you some cover depending on how the article was written.

War is pretty much the same way, you either take the fight to your enemy or you let your enemy take the fight to you. Or you let the NYT explain in their unbiased way on the circumstances surrounding the situation.

My feelings are that Bush should have repeatedly ordered carpet bombing of that whole area between Afghanistan and Pakistan, so nothing existed. But Bush didn't, and even now only sparingly.

The Russians wish they had, if they had they would not have lost :

Soviet Armed Forces, 14 427
KGB sub-units lost 576
MIA 28

These 28 MIA who can not be accounted for were more than likely captured and killed. And trust me, you really don't want to know how they were killed.

sturg..... you forgot me..... I'm crushed......

guess I better fill up the gas tank quick...... Rick and I are off to the beach for a week.....

I'm sure the world will still be here when we get back.....

for all in the path of the hurricane in the gulf...... stay safe.....

for all in the path of the crappola flying around here..... get a flak jacket....

see ya....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/no-rest-for-911-politics.html#comment-143753

Bethy
Exactly...

sturgeone
Love your way with words,inspiring.I support Obama too ,for the very same reason as you do.I enjoy difference of opinion and I agree with so much of what Chloe and Rita and others say regarding the Democratic party,my party for all of my life until last Feb.
I believed all of my life in the Democratic Ideals of looking out for the little guy and counting every vote!! Ha Ha,what a joke that turned out to be.....Independent now and will stay that way until and unless their is primary process reform and a change in the direction the party is going......

Fry.....to put it simply......I am sick of the GOP and what they've accomplished over the last 7 or 8 years, and to reward them for it with electing mccain is anathema to me.......
which doesnt mean I have this great love for the democrats......or that I'm wearing blinders where they are concerned......or where obama is concerned.....I dont care for his arrogance and contained hubris.
what i can point to is that the gop lately have made me feel MORE unsafe.....and the world they have made....borrowing from china to dump money in the desert of iraq while killing soldiers to accomplish it ......Welfare to the rich in hopes that they'll let us have some........well......just see that list someone added up.....101 reasons to vote democratic......to me, obama is merely incidental......he couldnt be worse than bush in ANY substantive way......McCain COULD be worse.

REBELLIOUS RENEE::::::::::GOD LOVES YOU AND SO DO I.......I was mostly working from who was posting last night.......SORRY.....lol

and no......i dont see iraq as being a successful operation in any way......just a money trap for gop and their friends.....blackwater, KBR, Halliburton.....etc etc etc......

Just

I appreciate how amidst all the triviality last night to which I know you don't like to be a 'party', Sturge, you still couldn't resist a good pun opportunity.

Here's a NYT's piece "Obama Plans Sharper Tone,as Party Frets"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Ah, we're creating a traitors list...just like was done during the McCarthy and Nixon years. Our cadre of neo-leftists has learned well.

Sign me up.

Loved last night's forum. So nice to hear the candidates talk sans chanting.

I hope that Obama can rally; McCain looks more dangerous by the week. He seems hell-bent on edifying the US by force rather than diplomacy.

OK, Texans. Bring in the pool furniture & chain down the BBQs.

When Stinky and I flew to Korea, our route took us over the Kola Peninsula. To say I was discomfited is an understatement.

If we had strayed from our flight path, I don't doubt that the ramifications would have been most serious.

Yeah, all joking aside, good luck to all those in the storm's path. Hopefully you're headed to higher ground by now.

Sturg....
I was just yanking your chain...... I love you too....

well.... I gotta get my butt to packing.....

see you all in about 10 days....... take care.....

mornin' all.

sturg, as you might expect you wrote it - I could have.

Renee, have a great trip - hope the weather I woke up to doesn't come your way - not conducive to anything at the beach other than reading and hanging inside with the SO - OK, strike that - hope the weather I woke up to does come your way :-)

My god, I stopped in here last night after the forum for a while just to see what people thought of it and to see what the hell goes on here after the doors are locked and the lights are out. The nastiness was shocking - shocking I say. But I noticed who was here for the purpose of keeping the pot stirred, so I completely understood. I hope they schedule construction on the virtual interstate between here and the Back Channel and interrupt the traffic flow between the two and maybe cut down on the drive by shootings here. Of course this is not meant to apply to all who fled here to go there, specifically those of you who actually are capable of carrying on internet conversations, but you know who you are. For the others - I would just note that roads run both ways.

Oh, good. There's a list. How do I get on it?

Pogo

Before you run off, do you have factual data on how Supremes actually turned-out post appointment? We know the ones who haven't changed, but there are the O'Connors and the Warrens, as well.

Also, lots of us remember the Great Bork Rebuff. Do you think there is any hope of having a Congress that is strong enough to reject lousy candidates?

Also, do you have a non-partisan position paper on the legality of 'signing statements' as a de facto line item veto?

Fry, checked out stormpulse this morning - I really appreciate your providing the link to that site. Next few hours should determine how strong Ike will be when he comes ashore. Hope my niece and her hubby got the hell out of Houston.

One small focus: all the lies and anti-democratic static leading up to our occupying Iraq.....we'll be greeted as liberators, the invasion will pay for itself.....mission accomplished......all a fabric of lies. Rumsfeld......wolfowitz........perle.........card..........powell.............lies all lies and after digging the hole they simply sent out for bigger shovels and lied some more......

WORSE THAN WATERGATE......John Dean

BLACKWATER...............I forget by whom

Dick Clarke..........Valerie Plame......GOP congress.....

DREAMING WAR..........Gore Vidal (Blood for Oil)

CHAOS

(dont say quagmire)

One final name worth a few hundred words.....General Shinseki.

flatus, data? No. Just impressions, but I suppose it's out there. The only thing that gives me cold comfort (and not a great deal of it at that) in the face of a possible McCain presidency is that the Court has a way of maintaining a degree of balance on its own. By all accounts, Souter was expected to be a fire-breathing conservative, but the court needed a moderate, so he filled the role (I know, Kennedy is the one considered the swing vote now - he was in the conservative wing of the court before O'Connor retired - and Souter votes with the liberal wing of the court now, but his positions on many of the more arcane decisions that don't get much media coverage are decidedly moderate.) My biggest concern is that the Repubs have learned from the more noteworthy appointments who haven't toed the strict construction (intentional misnomer) line, and won't make Souter, Warren, etc. mistakes again.

"...the Court has a way of maintaining a degree of balance on its own."

Thanks, Pogo, that supports my impressions. And I agree with your take on the Repug learning curve--seems as if there's no place for intellectual honesty.

As societies grow decadent, the language grows decadent, too. Words are used to disguise, not to illuminate, action: you liberate a city by destroying it. Words are to confuse, so that at election time people will solemnly vote against their own interests.
Gore Vidal

As the age of television progresses the Reagans will be the rule, not the exception. To be perfect for television is all a President has to be these days.
Gore Vidal

By the time a man gets to be presidential material, he's been bought ten times over.
Gore Vidal

The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent.
Gore Vidal

The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along, paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return.
Gore Vidal

Think of the earth as a living organism that is being attacked by billions of bacteria whose numbers double every forty years. Either the host dies, or the virus dies, or both die.
Gore Vidal

Sturg

People are fools when they let others define what their self-interests are and how they should be furthered.

Now, a morning in the veggie patch.

Please add me to the blacklist. Oh no, I bet I can't use that word. Sorry.

Russian long-range bombers now in Venezuela are no threat to the US. It does serve as a notice to all South American democracies, you better be nice when dealing with Venezuela.

OK, I finally got something that makes me rethink my opposition to McCain.

"THE IRISH - SUCH CLEAR THINKERS

( Leave it to the Irish to cut through the crap and make the whole issue
crystal clear... Here some thought from across the pond.)

An email from Ireland to the brethren in the States...a point to ponder despite your political affiliation:

''We, in Ireland , can't figure out why people are even bothering to hold an election in the United States this year.

'On one side, you have a pants wearing woman lawyer, married to a lawyer who can't keep his pants on, who just lost a long and heated primary that they still haven't paid for yet, against a lawyer who states he is 'black' when it is documented that he is only 12% 'black', who goes to the wrong church, who has stated that he wants his countrymen to learn to speak Spanish rather than English, who refuses to put his hand over his heart and say the pledge of allegiance or wear the flag of the country he wants to run, who can't remember if there are 50 or 57 states in his own country , who is married to yet another lawyer who doesn't even like the country her husband wants to run.

'Now...On the other side, you have a nice old war hero whose name starts with the appropriate 'Mc' terminology married to a good looking younger woman who owns a beer distributorship.

'What in Lord's name are ye lads thinking over there in the colonies??'"

LOL

I haven't heard from my sister in Galveston. I expect that they have left. Last time that went to Houston, then had to evacuate Houston all the way to relatives in Austin.

Bowman........yer a list all your own........lol

pogo,

Yesterday there were 2 models that indicated that Ike may move more to the east, but today everything is pointing straight at Galveston, Texas.

Need to run.

Big Ugly Frog theory catches on...

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2008&base_name=responsecentric#109094

I just went over to Pollster - for some reason RCP doesn't make it past our filters anymore - and it appears the race is tightening at the state level. They put it at Obama 243, Mccain 224, tossups - 71. It would appear that the results from the national polls are starting to show up in polls at the state level - unlike some of our more zealous Obama advocates claim.

http://pollster.com/polls/2008president/

Like I've said time and time again - Ohio is the key to this election.

Hurricane Sarah continues to whip the repugs into a frenzy and now the dems need all of the old people and women they dumped during the primaries to win the fight against the repug winds of change.

Just like homeland security and Hurricane Katrina, the dems are illl prepared for Hurricane Sarah.

PRINCETON, NJ -- A potential shift in fortunes for the Republicans in Congress is seen in the latest USA Today/Gallup survey, with the Democrats now leading the Republicans by just 3 percentage points, 48% to 45%, in voters' "generic ballot" preferences for Congress. This is down from consistent double-digit Democratic leads seen on this measure over the past year

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

shoot me now.

AHAH!! RCP is back

They place the race even closer - 216/215/105. Now that sounds like a tossup to me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

"speculating on what Bill Clinton told Obama...first you find the biggest ugliest frog ever to sit down next to John McCain..."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13394.htmlFrom the Clinton vantage point, both Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 lost when they allowed Republicans to get under their skins and hijack their public images.

Obama has hinted that he believes that, too, and has signaled that he will fight back hard.

But that is not as easy at it might sound. A candidate needs to do more than just complain about the unfairness of it all, as when Obama this week shouted “enough!” and denounced “lies, outrage and swift-boat politics.”

The trick is counter-punching without looking rattled, and without letting your opponents set the agenda of the conversation. Though he did not always follow his own advice, Clinton believes humor is one tool that can help a politician connect with audiences and convey toughness rather than whininess.

KC, CQP was predicting modest gains in the House and Senate at the beginning of the campaign season. They aren't enthralled and have their judgment clouded by big crowds at rallies or a cute (in the opinion of most - not me btw) VP candidate. The folks who predicted a landslide in congressional races don't understand that even national politics is essentially local, and it's beyond hard to unseat the incumbent.

Pogo

I never thought of Biden as cute...

KC, time will tell whether Obama can learn anything from Bill. Bets???

KC, how'd you know I meant Joe?? LOL

Timing sure is everything...celebrity cycles are finite...just ask Obama. As I mentioned, the dems really underestimated (or ignored) the hunger for a woman and an older candidate.

I have an early day at work....have a wonderful day all!

A musical interlude from blistersyeahbutchannel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWHyQSpOjc

Katherine,

Saw that USA/Gallup poll as well. In addition to the contraction of the dem. lead in registered voters, 48% to 45%, the poll also states that Republican candidates now lead 50% to 45% in 'likely voters'.

"The positive impact of the GOP convention on polling indicators of Republican strength is further seen in the operation of Gallup's "likely voter" model in this survey. Republicans, who are now much more enthused about the 2008 election than they were prior to the convention, show heightened interest in voting, and thus outscore Democrats in apparent likelihood to vote in November. As a result, Republican candidates now lead Democratic candidates among likely voters by 5 percentage points, 50% to 45%"

This is what should really make the [I feel ill] DNC lose sleep at night:
'Republicans Gaining Ground in Congressional Ballot'
http://www.gallup.com/video/110233/Republicans-Gaining-Ground-Congressional-Ballot.aspx

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Coreen

The faux outrage of impotent Democrats about fairness etc
and nit picky little issues ...I guess it fires up the base but it isn't going to make anyone change their mind and it just reinforces the notion the media is unfairly bashing the Republicans. As Blonde wino points out..timing is everything.
It doesn't seem to matter the Republicans are completely responsible for the entire mess we are in...they have successfully made it a "post partisan issue."

Pogo
It was your sly reference to "big crowds." :)))))

Put up a scarecrow in the garden. Looks remarkably like me. It may deter some birds, but I bet it'll draw the cardinals--they know I'll always give them a handout.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Wall-Street.html

"Stocks are opening lower following an unexpected slowdown at cash registers last month"

UNEXPECTED DROP? The stimulus checks were all spent the two months before, unemployment was up and the economy is on the edge of recession. Are the people in the Commerce Department idiots? Oh, wait, it's the Bush Commerce Department. Never mind. Tralalala...

Sturgeone, thanks, I can understand the reasoning behind you deciding to vote for Sen. O,then when you add Pogo's Supreme Court information clearly explained, it tends to make me vacillate to the point of almost getting over to the D party,I think since they are there for life,they do make a diff.Other wise I think that Corp.America runs this country-world-nothing really will change,for this reason I don't feel my vote is a throw away, but the S.C.argument is something to think about.

I'm off to Indiana now to talk to some Lawyer types about building SolarCrete homes that are 80 to 90 % energy efficient,this a.m. reading and posting is going to my day start off a little late, but it's sooooo much more pleasant and informative to read, thank you all.

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