Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Yeah!!!

Events always drive the polls since polls are just a snapshot in time and cannot be used to predict outcomes.

Right now Mr Obama is talking when he should be listening. We don't need a shadow cabinet, a shadow congress, nor a shadow president right now.

Both candidates need to work within the currently established governmental channels during the next week in an effort to prop things up.

After that, there will still be time for electioneering.

Unfortunately, though, Mr Obama has consistently put his campaign's self-interest above more important interests.

great timing, zoey. was just getting around to posting our photo from Denver and there you are as the first commenter of the day. KARMA!

Obama Gains in Polls as Financial Crisis Shifts Focus (Update1)

By Kristin Jensen and Kim Chipman

Sept. 19 (Bloomberg) -- As global investors lost more than $3 trillion in market value this week, Barack Obama saw his own stock gaining among American voters.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=alGTsxRdiLsU&refer=home

A return to words of wisdom by our leader CC, April 7, 2008.

"Obama is careful to claim in the ad that he does not take money from "Washington" lobbyists. That's because he does take money from state-based lobbyists."

Craig,
People will think we color coordinated our outfits.

i could change it to "ought to be" thrilled, but then i'd need to change it to McCain "might be" yearning

Craig, Mr Obama is extremely good at parsing. Another example of his verbal facility was pointed out by Fry just above.

ha, blue dogs we were, zoey. producer andrew promises to clip our video moment before too long

Trail Mix Western Roundup Cancelled -- For those who didn't get word and were planning to join our gathering in California Nov. 14-17, unfortunately I had to cancel my trip due to a massive writing project now due Dec. 1. Would like to reschedule a Trail Mix retreat there or somewhere for after the holidays.

Craig and Zoey make a cute couple, but the MiniMe Obama peeking out of Craig's coat pocket is a little creepy...

Gretchen Morgenson is assistant business and financial editor and a columnist at the New York Times. She has covered the world financial markets for the Times since May 1998 and won the Pulitzer Prize in 2002 for her "trenchant and incisive" coverage of Wall Street.

Ms. Morgenson added that a single institutional solution to the problem — like the Resolution Trust Corporation that was created to buy assets of failed savings and loans in the late 1980s and early 1990s — is simply not available this time.

“Any solution to this problem really must be done one by one, one mortgage at a time,” Ms. Morgenson predicted, noting that multiple parties — homeowners, investors who own mortgage-based securities, loan servicing companies and law firms that represent the servicing companies — all have a stake in the outcome.

“There’s a cast of characters and their interests are not necessarily aligned,” she said. “It is a really big mess.”
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/new-york-and-the-subprime-mortgage-crisis/
Ms. Morgenson last April

For all of you who like to poo-poo race as a factor in this presidential campaign (that's you Chloe, Patsi, Jack...)

One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840/

Flatus,,

Ref. my post of 1:02 PM, those were the words of Craig Crawford, aka, CC.

BW,

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."

Marx & Engels, On Free Trade (1848)

MD,
Did they poll the corollary question?

No one said race would not be a factor we need come to grips with during elections.

Champ,

"Obama may not be thrilled, but some of his supporters are giddier than school girls."

And how far do those nuts fall from the tree?

"Ref. my post of 1:02 PM, those were the words of Craig Crawford, aka, CC."

Fry, all three of you are really perceptive. :))

ET,,

Should you come back today, I'll most likely be gone, but when we run across each other, hopefully that will be me running over you with my gas thirsty Hummer, remind me to give you the name of someone who is in the comic book world. Think of it as a favor.

Flatus,

There is only 1 of me that I'm aware of, and for that you should be grateful.

Now to catch a little nap before tonight's outing.

KiKi McLean is out for Obama now. She is a great spokesperson formerly with Clinton. What's best about her, is that she looks like a real person. Should be great with the Independents.

Moot point, Jamie. Economy is in toilet. People vote with their wallets. Election is over. One more bounce for McCain, another for Obama, and then a 'squeaker'. Political theater.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148429

going out repoing more cars tonight FD?

"Implement a national usury law. I would make it 12-percent across the board." [flatus 11:10 am]

interesting stuff about usury from wiki: Usury (in the original sense of any interest) was at times denounced by a number of religious leaders and philosophers in the ancient world, including Plato, Aristotle, Cato, Cicero, Seneca[9], Plutarch,[citation needed] Aquinas[10], Muhammad[11], Moses,[citation needed] Philo[citation needed] and Gautama Buddha.[citation needed]
For example, Cato in his De Re Rustica said:
"And what do you think of usury?" - "What do you think of murder?"

wonder where our right wing religious nuts stand on usury. those who believe the bible infalliable might have some trouble re prohibition therein.

patd:

Deuteronomy 23:19-20

Leviticus 25:35 (I think)

I must just have golf on the brain, but Craig and Zoey look like they're on the European Ryder Cup squad.

I thought the same thing yesterday about Bush and Paulson in the Rose Garden:
--Same blue suit
--Same blue shirt
--Same blue tie, almost right down to the pattern.

If this rescue plan works, I hope Paulson and Bernanke are named Time magazine's Men Of The Year. First of all, they would deserve it. Secondly, it would be a nice punctuation mark for the end of W's miserable presidency -- that he was AWOL and was shown up by the hired help.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/golden-oldie-states-get-the-ad.html#comment-148302

Hey Chloe
I did hear from Patsi and she's doing fine.I don't know when or if she will come back to TM.I told her how much she is missed by all of us!! I didn't want to ask her to come back because she takes a lot of crap and maybe she's just tired of it.Sad.All opinions should be excepted and agree to disagree with out the name calling. I will e-mail her again soon and find out what she's up to regarding her book that she is working on with her sister.. I know what your going through because of IKE,3 yrs. ago here in Florida we had 3 hurricanes in a row and no power for weeks!! I was also caring for my Mom and Grandmother both bedridden,i was a little crazy.I remember when those air conditioners started humming again,oh what a beautiful sound!!!

Here's a little Joan Walsh from Salon.."Can McCain sell himself as a Wall Street reformer?"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/?last_story=/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/04/25/olbermann_apologizes/

Rezdog.....are you on board? have a question fer ya.....

McCain Says One Thing and THEN Votes The Opposite! When you hear McCain talk, think -- Wizard of Oz.

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/09/20/john_mccain_environment/?source=newsletter

That is a very cynical thing to say that Barack, someone who cares deeply for this country, is glad that Wall street is breaking up. That is false and ridiculous and shows just what kind of mindset you are dealing with. And it ain't good.

I also wish Patsi would return. I suggest she ignore the knotheads. She would enjoy the site much more if she didn't engage with infantile, cruel people.

ITK

1. Establish your own list of knotheads
I have 4
2. Avoid reading knothead lists
3. When you realize a post is directly responding to
knotheads, stop reading the post

Much more enjoyable experience. Just because you are participating on a blog doesn't mean you must empower those who you wouldn't give the time of day in your daily life.

yep.......nothing cynical about politics.........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148434

Patd,

One of the reason that Jews became bankers in Europe was that Judaism allowed for a reasonable amount of interest to be charged for loans while Christianity did not.

It also had the added advantage that if some Christian ruler got too deeply in debt, they could simply hold a pogrom and kill off their banker.

also the jews were barred from many avenues of employment........

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148439

Tonyb39 -- How can McCain now call for reform when as the Chairman of Senate Commerce he paved the way for the mess we're in now?

His performance wasn't so stellar in the S&L crisis either.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148427

Fry Daddy, that comment was TRULY inappropriate. We can disagree on politics but making comments about running me over with your car is simply sick. Why don't you answer the questions I posted to you before instead of making these incendiary comments? You throw your Repug talking points all around the blog and when people ask for specifics, suddenly you're quiet or ignore the question. That's the tactics of a bully.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148442

OD == Good strategy. I am wondering however, if the people on this list should agree not to make threats of personal violence and to universally shun those who do.

For example -- Fry just wrote a threatening post to Euro Tom -- http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148427

This is completely unacceptable.

If this happened on any of my lists, the poster would not be allowed to post without approval. And if it continued, the poster would be banned.

LAL -- "I must just have golf on the brain, but Craig and Zoey look like they're on the European Ryder Cup squad."

From what I understand, the closest thing you'd want Zoey doing at a golf course is driving the beer cart...No personal experience, mind you, just from what I have heard (Iowa's not that big a state and rumors travel like in a small town)...

Right now Mr Obama is talking when he should be listening. We don't need a shadow cabinet, a shadow congress, nor a shadow president right now.

Both candidates need to work within the currently established governmental channels during the next week in an effort to prop things up.

After that, there will still be time for electioneering.

Unfortunately, though, Mr Obama has consistently put his campaign's self-interest above more important interests.

Posted by: Flatus | September 20, 2008 12:56 PM

Flatus, I am sorry, but I do not agree... He needs to be proactive and showing that he has the knowledge and administrative ability to take action when it is needed. The press would have a field day if he just remained quiet on the sidelines. They would say he was a total wimp. Sorry, but in my humble opinion, you are wrong here.

As for putting his campaign self-interest above other interests, well we could certainly see it in that way, but... there isn't a politician who doesn't do that, and if we want to go all Darwin here, to not do so will extinct the candidate. John McCain was supposed to be a maverick who was against egregious attacks on political opponents and look what he is doing now. Attack! Attack! Attack! He choose a VP candidate that is as right wing as Bush as a way to solidify support from the reactionary right. Sorry, but if Obama didn't respond and also take initiative and speak out, he would lose support.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148420

MD, it's a sad social commentary but not unexpected. I was particularly shocked by the comment in Ohio when a man said "We don't like Black people"... At least he was honest, but still ...

There is some legitimacy for the existence of the mistrust between the races, because of past and current histories. Most of it is simple bigotry created by an unwillingness to welcome people of different racial and cultural backgrounds to a neighbourhood or into a circle of friends. If we cannot join together and learn from each other, the racism won't go away.

What I am trying to say, perhaps not too artfully, is that both sides are at fault for the mistrust, fear and hatred. And it should stop.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148420

MD

From your article

"And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama."

and this is without him even doing any real effort to reach out to those with negative view.

"Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that."

As iI said yesterday, other black politicians have proved they can draw in these votes, what you need to be asking yourself is 'why can't Obama". Crying rasism is counter productive and just pisses off potential votes.

Jack

Jack

MD seems to see things as black and white..........

Jamie; just so you understand, I'm voting the dem ticket but I'm writing in Hillary..............................

Champ; 1:47 pm ................."giddier than schoolgirls", isn't it sad that you are so right................................

Fry; 1:49 pm...................."how far do those nuts fall from the tree", wasn't there some sort of ACORN organization?..................................................

Mr. Democrat; 1:41 pm ...........................""poo-poo race as a factor". So this is the new excuse for him losing, it was the Clinton's fault before, but I guess they pulled that rug out from under him by being ''good democrats". If people have negative views, it's probably more to do with individuals than black people as a whole, for instance, you are a pain in the ass, but I love Harold Ford Jr......Stay on subject, would ya.........

Rita

there is racism involved......I believe most thinking people agree that racism will play a part in this election..........now what?

Is there racism enough that it might cost Obama the election?

Can Obama win?

And, with the "now what?" what exactly can be "done" to make an end to racism?

i.e..........MD......you gotta plan?

"...and was shown up by the hired help." Lard/@2:39 p.m.

Lard, real leaders really don't care who gets credit for hard work and good ideas. And, effective technocrats are unstinting in touting the brilliance of their leaders.

I tend to think adulation spoils the breed--dedicated career public servants often do so just for the satisfaction of making a difference--we shouldn't mess with that.

One of the things many of us admired about Brasil in the 70s was their dependence on technocrats as being the real enablers of good government which in turn was given some focus by elected leaders.

Sturge

He should talk to people like Emanuel Cleaver. Oh I forgot Cleaver is still so pissed off about the primary that he didn't even show up when Obama came through the other day. Scratch that idea.

Jack

And yes there is a plan

a PLAN

Was it written by the same person who said Obama could win Georgia?

The plan was for GWB to totally wreck the economy. Then win in a squeaker and have no coattails or mandate.

ready to govern

Jack

And yes there is a plan, just like there was a plan to win the primary, didn't think he'd win that one either did you sturg?

Limit one reply for the creep: To be correctly stated, I HOPED he wouldnt win and it had nothing to do with racism, or whether or not he COULD win......I supported Hillary, who now supports obama to win as do I.

reply to the creep, part II........When you supported Edwards to win over Obama, was it because you are racist?

He doesn't remember supporting Edwards

Obama supporters are now quoting the AP reporter they dismissed as biased to start to set up the excuses in case he loses.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ap%E2%80%99s-ron-fournier-racial-arsonist-and-unethical-journalist

Why the AP is wrong.

the little pig DO get excited, dont he...........lol

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html

Makes Mr. D look rather shallow

Good grief - - I thought we were beyond calling names like "OCD Clintonistas."

Alicia
I agree with you!! McCain is a total fraud on this and the economy as a whole!
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148447

Alicia
I wish we were beyond the name calling,but some feel the need.Its why so many like Patsi and others have left.I don't know why the opinion of the poster can't be challenged without the name calling?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148462

Rita,

What state are you in? Write Ins are tricky. Some states it is not a problem. Others it is not allowed at all and can invalidate your ballot.

Here is a site giving the rules by state

http://mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.html

one c......I know, I know......

Sturg,

From what I know thru the grapevine there's a joint in El Reno, OK (not the Fed prison lol) which is 20mi W OKC and a big place 30 Mi S of OKC in Norman, OK called Riverwind or as the locals say neverwin lol

sturg,

"didn't think he'd win that one either did you sturg?"

racism on your part or anyones wasn't implied or suggested

Sturg,
The place W o OKC in Lucky Star Casino on HMY 81 a little N of El Reno. But tellem to be on the lookout for a bunch of wild Cheyennes.

but really.......when I asked MD if he had a plan......it had absolutely nothing to do with a plan for obama to win which the creep jumped on......it was did MD have a plan to end racism....

Jamie; 4:33 pm ................. Thanks for that Jamie, I'm in New York, so I guess I'll just have to leave it blank.....

Rita

Rez.......he's been doing "boiler" work of some sort on reservations in the 4 corners area for the last couple of months......I think he does well with our native american friends..........actually I guess that would be more correct as Early American friends......since they too crossed over to get here...............

But if I leave it blank - like Michigan - they will probably assume that I would be voting for him, Damned if you do, damned if you don't.....................................

Rita

Sturgeone; 4:52 pm ................ I understood it Sturge, and I'm just a "cluck"...........................................

Rita

"One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks"
and i wonder, sturge and rez, what percentage of black democrats harbor negative views toward whites? and are they to be deemed "racists" too?

jamie, the torah prohibits usury as well as the quran... everyone got around the prohibitions (including the christians) with a little parsing/interpreting/spin here and there. you know like defining what "is" is. what a mess we've all made of it now.

Some facts to back up the BS.

Emanuel Cleaver won the 5th district race with 64% of the vote. That was almost twice the vote of all the other candidates combined. The make up of the 5th district is 69% white, 25% black. As the district is home to some of the most impoverished black communities in the area the registered vote rate could even fall under 20%.

All Obama has to do is be as good as Emanuel Cleaver. and he would win Missouri by 10 points. Right now he is losing by 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri's_5th_congressional_district

Jack

Rita,

Often the counts for offices don't match. In fact that is the reality more often than not. Some people vote for Prez and leave everything else blank. Unfortunately, failing to cast a vote can invalidate a ballot in some states just as voting for too many people in the same category would.

Check this website for the NY state board of elections to see if the rules are there. If not you can contact them and ask.

http://www.elections.state.ny.us/

pstd, they probably do and I'm sure there are many who would tell you they're racists. And I would bet many blacks of all affiliations (party) not voting for McCain because he's white and that reason alone. I don't have a guess on any numbers.

imo. . I think it's best to drop the subject of racism here since it's a no-win proposition. As I've alluded to before, if it's mentioned it's called race baiting, playing the victim card or even better, an excuse. Why worry about it; he won the primary and I think he'll win the GE despite my misgivings. I'm ready to move on and leave the subject for the academics afterwards. If he doesn't win there will be someone to stand on his shoulders as he has said he's standing on the shoulders of others before him.

Final note though: I don't anyone including Obama has a plan to end racism. Don't you think that's a foolish notion. Admirable but improbable. Again imo.

Jack, . . Obama is running for prez not anyone else or some other black. Besides opinions on race are regional and local as opinions on other issues are. Sure he could adopt some of his EC's methods but ultimately it's the individual with their unique story.

I don't think I could live around a bunch MO mules. it's joke jack.

Patd

The Torah only prohibits charging interest with relatives. You are allowed to loan money and collect interest with strangers.

Usury is outlawed under the definition of "excessive interest".

Deuteronomy 23

20 Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest.

21 Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou puttest thy hand unto, in the land whither thou goest in to possess it.

My post (addressed to MD) was in response to this:

One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840/
---Mr Democrat

and my thrust was yes yes yes, we get it, by all means we know there is racism, but do you wish to light a candle or curse the dark, so to speak.......and MD seems to be one who wishes to continually curse the dark.......(history on the blog)

consider it dropped.................lol

and my question, ie "you gotta plan" was not really did he have a plan to end racism but was he going to work towards it or just keep belaboring it.........

Now it's dropped. Maybe.

No no no.................I said Richard Petty was a racER, not a racIST..............

I gotta say.........Todd Palin's gotta feel like a real goof walking along behind McCain and the Missus.......I think I'd stay the hell home and work the farm or whatever like Dolly Parton's husband did...............and Loretter Lynn's also..........

So, the $85 billion loan to A.I.G. was really a bailout of the company’s counterparties or trading partners.

Now, inquiring minds want to know, whom did we rescue? Which large, wealthy financial institutions — counterparties to A.I.G.’s derivatives contracts — benefited from the taxpayers’ $85 billion loan? Were their representatives involved in the talks that resulted in the last-minute loan?

And did Lehman Brothers not get bailed out because those favored institutions were not on the hook if it failed?

We’ll probably never know the answers to these troubling questions. But by keeping taxpayers in the dark, regulators continue to earn our mistrust. As long as we are not told whom we have bailed out, we will be justified in suspecting that a favored few are making gains on our dimes.

A.I.G.’s financial statements provided a clue to the identities of some of its credit default swap counterparties. The company said that almost three-quarters of the $441 billion it had written on soured mortgage securities was bought by European banks. The banks bought the insurance to reduce the amounts of capital they were required by regulators to set aside to cover future losses.

Enjoy the absurdity: Billions in unregulated derivatives that were about to take down the insurance company that sold them were bought by banks to get around their regulatory capital requirements intended to rein in risk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/business/21gret.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. has called the fund the “troubled asset relief program.” I’ll just call it TARP for short (you know, the kind of thing they spread over muddy fields so you don’t soil your Guccis).

And depending on how TARP is operated, and how the assets are valued before taxpayers are forced to buy them, it could bloat our final bill for this mess while benefiting the very institutions that got us into it.

Yes, we need a smart plan and a concerted effort to get the frozen credit markets up and running. But we also have to be certain that the types of conflicts of interest that riddle Wall Street aren’t visited upon TARP.

Consider: A bank wants to sell the TARPistas (also known as TAXPAYERS) a pile of stinky mortgage securities that it currently values at 60 cents on the dollar. Let’s assume that the most recent actual trade between market participants for similar assets was struck at 30 cents on the dollar.

So what’s a fair price that we TARPistas should pay for the assets? ..from NYTIMES link

"since they too crossed over to get here."

Sturg,

I flunked an Anthropoplogy test years ago when I countered the prof with the idea that there are some who take it on faith as many do in other groups that their origins are in conflict with the scientific record. He permitted me to retest on the question of the origins of early North Americans and asked that I respond to it according to the conclusions of a particular author on our syllabus.

I was food shopping yesterday and at the checkout the young woman at the register had skin tone that was a light cafe au lait. The older lady behind me had darker, cocoa tones in her skin. The lady behind me came right out and asked the clerk, "Are you black?" The young woman was a little startled, but she managed to respond, "Umm, no."
The older lady persisted, "You're not black?! What are you?" The young woman said, "I'm Puerto Rican." The older lady said, "Hmmph. Well you look like you could be black." The young woman was flummoxed. I felt awkward and wondered why that lady was asking those questions, or was I reading too much into it? .

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148512

For a guy with two jobs, he's not spending a lot of time working. Of course if he goes home, he will get subpoenaed and they already sent attorneys to say he couldn't go to court now because he was "too busy" with the campaign.

Rez......there are those who believe that some actually are native americans? I'd like to hear some more about that....................

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148512

Sturge -- Why would Todd Palin feel any different than Cindy McCain following her husband around? Or Jill Biden or Michele Obama?

Should he feel any different than just supporting his spouse's campaign? Did Bill Clinton feel goofy standing behind Hillary?

When I ran for office my husband was very happy to stand behind me -- as long as he didn't have to talk, he was okay with it.

Jamie................oooooooooooh yeah......the subpoena.......lol..........I forgot about that.............

Alicia.......If I were Cindy I think i'd also be at home..........unless I was actually DOING something.....but what the hell...........who knows, eh? Just walking along behind somebody all day while theyre dealing with all that crap would be a drag.

Sturgeone,

Pogo will concur when I declare unequivocally that Richard Petty is not only King, but he's God on 4 wheels. The guy in one of the most unassuming celebrities on the planet.

When I sent away for his autograph on a couple of pictures, I wrote a letter and mentioned that he can brag in the garage that he has some Haitian fans from New England...he actually sent a note with the autographs saying my letter was too funny...

As for the discussion of racism...all I care is that if you're going to burn a cross on my lawn, do it without the hood. Overt racists are much easier to deal with that the two facers. It seems that the more money people have, the more likely they are to two face it, since they fear costing themselves financially if their unsavory "habit" is discovered.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148505

Rez
That is what he is running 50 individual races. If others can take the same obstacles and overcome them why can't he. It moves the discussion over into competence. Right now in Missouri he is running in the low 40's that is almost yellow dog territory a couple of point lower and it will be.

Bear..............yep, and yes, indeed............

Todd Palin walks around with that smirk because he knows there are a lot of men in the audience and some women, that want to have sex with his wife and they can't get her...

Plus, she includes him on some official emails so he's getting to run stuff too. Throw in the fact that many find him good looking and it's not hard to have a shit eating grin plastered on your face either.

Couple seem to fall in two categories
ones that do everything together and ones that have separate lives and each think the other is Krazy!

5/27/2007

It's not just his title as the state's reigning snowmobile co-champion that sets 42-year-old Todd Palin apart from the nation's other first spouses. And it's not that he's one of just five who are men.

White-collar jobs in law, education or health care are typical among the current crop of first spouses, but Palin spent nearly 20 years as a blue-collar employee in the oil fields of the North Slope. And every summer he heads west to his birthplace in Dillingham to work the Bristol Bay commercial salmon fishery from his property on the Nushagak River.

A lifetime of manual labor in the state's two largest and most physically demanding industries is helping Palin carve out his role as Alaska's first spouse, or "first dude," a nickname he has in common with the Kansas governor's husband, Gary Sebelius.

Like other first spouses around the country, Palin has been asked to champion an array of causes or institutions since his wife took office in December.

His favorite is steering young Alaskans toward stable jobs in the oil and gas industry. It's a singular choice among his counterparts, whose pet issues include schools, public health, domestic violence, poverty or the arts.
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8924080p-8824177c.html

Random

That settles it we can't be having any of those blue collar types in the Whitehouse. They might track muddy boots prints all over the carpet. and spit tobacco juice in the corners

Krugman says no deal.

And there’s no quid pro quo here — nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.

I hope I’m wrong about this. But let me say it again: Treasury needs to explain why this is supposed to work — not try to panic Congress into giving it a blank check. Otherwise, no deal.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/no-deal/

(Barney)Frank, who has been in phone discussions with Paulson, said the secretary appeared receptive to adding some foreclosure-relief language. The second Democratic proposal — to impose compensation limits on Wall Street executives — is meeting more resistance.

“Hank says it’s a poison pill,” Frank said. “I say I don’t think it’s very patriotic for someone to not give up his golden parachute when we’re trying to save the markets.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13676.html

"A poison pill? The executives who drove their banks into insolvency won't let the government save their banks if it means they have to give up multi-million dollar golden parachutes? After they've been paying themselves millions a year for the sheer incompetence necessary to bankrupt their companies?"

Democrats better get some spine or someone is going to be left holding a very large bag of sh-t.

Jack,

How (guess) would EC fare in a statewide election. He only won 55% of the 5th in 04 and he was a widely know KC councilman and popular mayor. 1)I'm not conceding this is an apples to apples comparison 2) Why is Obama polling much better in say. . CA than MO. 3) MO will be close in Nov.

Craig said :
"McCain enjoyed an end-of-summer surge that traces back to the Russian invasion of Georgia".

McCain's campaign turned around in June with "Drill Baby Drill".
That put in his floor. Make no mistake.

McCain could win this election if he just said "Drill Baby Drill" for the next 41 days.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148442

Thanks, Oregon Democrat - I've begun following this and your previous suggestions both on and off the site (i.e, in "real life"). This site is actually better than many, thanks to Craig. Please keep posting.

wonder where our right wing religious nuts stand on usury.

Banks have separate rules. In
fact, due to high inflation, in 1980, the federal government passed a
special law which allowed national banks (the ones that have the word
"national" or the term "N.A." in their name, and savings banks that are
federally chartered) to ignore state usury limits and pegged the rate of
interest at a certain number of points above the federal reserve
discount rate. In addition, specially chartered organizations like small
loan companies and installment plan sellers (like car financing
companies) have their own rules.....

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/ban02.htm

It's disgusting...

DON'T BE A SLAVE TO YOUR MASTERCARD !!!

I believe that he won't do that . I believe we will see him come apart in the next few weeks. He's 72, and the grind is eating his ass to pieces, That's why Cindy is on his elbow at every turn now. She's the puppet master now. Watch her the next 40 days, it's tattooed on her $100 Million Dollar face.

You know... Todd Palin is sort of hot...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148532

Rez,

California started out multicultural. Sure there were prejudices, segregated neighborhoods, real estate covenants etc., but from the time it became a state there were already stable populations of Mexicans (It was theirs to beging with), Asians, Hawaiians, Blacks, and White plus no history of Slavery. There has always been a comfort with other races ... even if someone didn't like them, they were used to them being there.

MO has always been mainly White and what blacks were part of the population was originally slave since it entered the union as a slave state. Until recently, that was about all the racial variety there was, so there is a lower comfort level as well as a slave history that they are still trying to get past.

Just the human condition. The familiar is less scary than the unfamiliar.

What is wrong with Cindy McCain's face... I mean, it doesn't look the way a face normally looks. I can't find words to describe it...maybe she had plastic surgery and it's slightly botched? Or maybe this is her normal look. Either way, she has an odd look.

My advice to you all tonight :

WhirlyGigs -

Sometime last Tuesday, an unknown hacker gained access to gov.palin@yahoo.com, an e-mail account that Gov. Sarah Palin has used for personal and possibly also state business in Alaska

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091902806.html

Critics say that she was taking a page from former White House political mastermind Karl Rove, who cooked up the idea of using an off-site e-mail address to confound investigations of his Bush administration activities.....

on an earlier subject:

http://charleston.net/news/2008/sep/20/officials_link_photo_crossesdisturbing_m55255/

that's about 20-30 minutes away from here at the beach.

Some questions (your opinions please) ... I think Joe Biden was a bad selection for VP candidate. And I am still incensed that Obama didn't choose to make a serious offer to Hillary.

Was the choice of Joe Biden as VP candidate a plus or minus for Obama?

Will the bad will felt by some Hillary supporters be a detrimental effect on Obama's chances to win?

Did Obama's call for a "new politics" give him a net gain or net negative in the voting public's mind?

Did Hillary's tenacity in staying in the race strengthen Obama?

Had Hillary been the VP running mate for Obama, who would John McCain have chosen as his running mate?

What was his REAL motivation for choosing Sarah Palin?

Just Say No Is Catching On

Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle
By William Greider

September 19, 2008

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Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses--many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?

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If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public--all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims. My advice to Washington politicians: Stop, take a deep breath and examine what you are being told to do by so-called "responsible opinion." If this deal succeeds, I predict it will become a transforming event in American politics--exposing the deep deformities in our democracy and launching a tidal wave of righteous anger and popular rebellion. As I have been saying for several months, this crisis has the potential to bring down one or both political parties, take your choice.

Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics, a brave conservative critic, put it plainly: "The joyous reception from Congressional Democrats to Paulson's latest massive bailout proposal smells an awful lot like yet another corporatist lovefest between Washington's one-party government and the Sell Side investment banks."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/greider

I am sorry for the poor cutting/pasting of the story,
please delete.

Arthur Hornblow production of Agatha Christie's "Witness for the Prosecution" on Turner Classic Movies.......starting now.......TCM

I think the question could easily be put to rest by asking the following:
1. Does racism currently exist in the United States of America?

2. Will racism ( assuming the answer to #1 is YES ) effect the the votes casts in a general election between a white candidate and a black candidate?

Isn't that fairly logical ?
I'll take the answer off the air....thank you.

Jack, . . .I forgot to mention. .

"If others can take the same obstacles and overcome them why can't he."

I didn't know Emanuel Muhammad Cleaver was Muslim and and can't prove he was born in America so he doesn't say the pledge of allegience.
I also didn't realize Congressman Cleaver is friendly with terrorists and that he is anti-Israel and Al Queda wants him to win.
I also forgot his campaign was endorsed by the KKK and funded by Hugo Chavez.

I could come up with a few more gems but my point is these stories have inundated our media for months and they do have an enormous effect on polling.

Now, none of these lies are really race related by I would argue that Obama got hit with many of these because of who he is. They wouldn't be saying these things about Jim Tallent. Call them excuses for his poor polling or whatever you want but the rethugs wouldn't be saying these things to certain parts of the country if they didn't think many of those certain electorates wouldn't bite.

nice "compare and contrast" story to the cross burning article I posted above

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/sep/20/law_enforcement_pioneer_not_ready_give_u55021/

Playing with the map again.
East coast indicators. Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida.
If Pennsylvania is not called in the first 30 min for Obama get nervous it is going to be a nail biter.
If Penn goes Republican, you Republicans can start putting the bubbly on ice.

The same thing for democrats if the Virginia or Florida go early. Democrats can plan to party.

Jack

Judge orders Cheney to preserve records

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080920/Cheney.Lawsuit/

Do we have to wait for the trial or can we hang 'em high now?

Rez

Yes , this year Cleaver could win. Wheat set the yellow dog floor in a bad year for Dems in 94 running against a popular 2 term governor. at 40%. Where as our current candidate for governor set the limit for white candidates at 38%.(thank god blunt is an idiot)
The momentum would shift the other way and he doesn't come off as a big city liberal. He connects easy with people.
He might even have enough coat tails to pull Obama up. Of course being a Congressman in Kansas City he would have needed to start preparing for it 2 years ago at the minimum. Get across the state and get his name out there so people know him.

Jack

Jamie remember congress already granted them immunity. Your gonna have to kidnap them and take them over seas.

Jack

Give a little effort on the cut & paste there, sock.

Bush & Cheney will NEVER go to jail. Get over it.

Better question: Is racism actually classism? If so, won't matter.

Champ
I've damn near done it myself.
This little comment window hides a lot. and I've copied the whole web page when I thought I was copying the article. Just luck I caught it and I'm not a newbie

Jack

"Never' is a very long time.

Is the statute of limitations up on the falsified SEC reports cheney filed when CEO of halliburton ?

If McCain wins, Obama will pardon them. This country doesn't imprison former heads of state. Sets an uncomfortable precedent for sitting ones.

"If McCain" loses, excuse me. You know what I meant.

Champ

Just enjoying a pleasant day dream

"Sets an uncomfortable precedent for sitting ones"

Gotta point there, it is the ultimate good ol boys club. It is so set into stone that it doen't matter how evil you are. Sadam probably had trouble believeing they were really going to hang him.

Jack

Skin a moose ???

I thought she ate 'em with all the fur still on, & still quivering. Ya mean she isn't a She/He-Man after all ?

Btw, I happen to love moose rib roast . Yum to the 5th power. A cousin of mine was an fanatical moose hunter and treated us to the heavenly delights of the beast.

I never shot one myself, but one almost totaled my car near Tofte MN back in the the late 70s. We didn't actually whack each other - but I got a hoof imprint on the portside fender at 60 mph. I came within 1/100 of a second of being turned into loose red goop. Dam' they're huge.

Hey, you're going into battle tomorrow, right? Going to put on war-paint and try to influence the vote in states in which you don't reside right? Ah, the "good fight".

Yeah, if you criticize Palin for hunting or wildlife conservation policy and you're NOT a vegetarian, stfu.

Watching - Waiting - Lurking

What did the good people of Ohio ever do to warrant such an awful fate? Proof there is no God.

Is that the same person that said you look 35?

Here you go, Gordo; sung to the tune of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbgHM1mI0k

You'd better hope SoeterObama's "hidden past" is more cataclysmic than global economic meltdown.

I hope you were lurking for Bowman's post a few days back when I inquired as to your whereabouts, Gordo, because it was hilarious. You know I'm a fan, though. All in fun.

240908

champ,

I presume the comment about Palin's hunting and conservation policy was aimed at me.

You can check the record and see that I never criticized her on those grounds. However, her voice is very unpleasant. Like a goose.

I like roast goose, too.

Actually it wasn't; just a general 'not for nuthin'. Inspired by you, yes. Aimed at you, no.

Fin.

I presume from Gordo's post that we are to wait breathlesly for some explosive expose to appear on Wednesday. Of course, knowing Gordo this will get pushed back day by day until it finally disappears into the vast never never.

OOOOH ! Frank Rich has a zinger in today's NYTimes column:
"In our news culture, Behar, a stand-up comic by profession, looms as the new Edward R. Murrow. "---in reference to Joy Behar's tough stance against the McCains a few days ago.
Frank knows well how "the filter" works in shielding the McCains.

TIMING

THINK

"new Edward R. Murrow"

LOL

Bar ain't very high these days is it.

Jack

THINK harder!

Perhaps GORDO isn't wrong.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/19/attack-by-association-viewed-as-fair-game-by-mccain-camp/

‘Attack by Association’ Viewed as Fair Game by McCain Camp
Laura Meckler reports on the presidential race:

Don’t be shocked if you see the McCain campaign pull the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright out of mothballs in new attacks against one-time parishioner, Barack Obama.

McCain advisers say that they see “attack by association” as fair game now, arguing that Obama’s campaign has been using that technique to go after McCain. In particular, the Obama campaign has hammered McCain on the stump and in TV ads on the number of one-time lobbyists working for his campaign. (The McCain campaign is also angry about a Spanish-language TV ad that ties McCain to Rush Limbaugh on immigration, without ever saying that McCain took on Limbaugh and others to fight for comprehensive immigration reform.)

“They played it one way, we played it another way,” said one of McCain’s top advisers, Mark Salter. “Now we’re both going to play it the same way.”

For better or worse, each election cycle , programs like SNL, The Daily Show and Colbert are going to impact the results more and more.

Interesting stuff. . .

We spoke with Alex Max, a 15-year old Durango High student and Obama's Southwest Colorado Youth Outreach Coordinator. It turns out that Alex had logged onto Barack Obama's website more than any other person in La Plata County, and one day he got a call from the Obama field organizer here who asked whether he'd be willing to help coordinate high school seniors in youth turnout. There are approximately 300 students in the DHS senior class, and of those only some have birthdays before November 4. Alex has registered 30-50 students to vote, so you do the math on how effective Alex' work has been. They've been reaching out to other high school students to set up similar groups.

Rezdog -

Indiana, has 500,000 new voters on it's rolls, that somehow squares with your story from southwest Colorado.

One month ago there was this town hall with McCain ....... and a woman said we should start-up the draft. He agreed to everything she said.

Run that tape in every college town.

I do not like human beings, I've never liked human beings.

Dogs ..... now there's a mammal we can all get behind.

How's everyone's "Whirlygig Project" coming ?

EuroTom - I'm always ready to give my opinions here-HA!

#1. a draw
#2. a draw
#3. no
#4. negative - he's doing nothing new.
#5. yes - taught him a lot and gave him practice
#6. probably Romney, but would have preferred to concede
#7. might as well take a chance on some new blood

There is racism in our country, sure, just as there is anit-semitism and other religious intolerance, and the racism is held by many different races against many other different races. There's no way to tell for sure how much of any, but you can speculate all you want. If Obama wins, there will still be racism, and some of it will come from Rev Wright and some from the KKK.

I think Todd Palin is creepy.

4 in the morning ..... and I'm
"whippin' my fish".

Betty -
"I think Todd Palin is creepy."

He races in events that last for 2,000 miles. I'd leave for 2,000 miles every chance I got.

Ms. Palin took 5 or 6 tries to get out of school with a "Journalism Degree"
So she could broadcast sports.

All with the most grating voice in the history of voices. If you have any testosterone in your blood...... That voice is like a knife blade across a blackboard.

"That voice is like a knife blade across a blackboard."

Unless you're the "First Dude" .......

I want their tax returns. And I want them now.

Hell in a Bucket -

Well I was drinkin last night with a biker
And I showed him a picture of you
I said, pal get to know her, youll like her
Seemed like the least I could do.
Cause when hes chargin his chopper
Up and down your carpeted halls
You will think I am dressed up quite proper
Never mind how I stumble and fall.

You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
But at least Im enjoying the ride, at least Ill enjoy the ride.

Cause youre a sweet little softcore pretender
Somehow, babe, it got as hot as it gets
With her black leather and gold spike suspenders
And your chain, your black whip and pets.

Well we know youre the reincarnation
Of the infamous catherine the great
And we know how you love the ovation
And the scene that it seems to create.

You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
But at least Im enjoying the ride, at least Ill enjoy the ride.

You analyze me, tend to despise me
You laugh when I stumble and fall
There may come a say when Ill dance on your grave
Unable to dance Ill still crawl across it
Unable to dance Ill still crawl
Unable to dance Ill still crawl
Unable to dance Ill crawl.

You must really consider the circus
It just might be your kind of zoo
I cant think of a place thats more perfect
For a person as perfect as you.

And its not like Im leaving you lonely
Cause I wouldnt know where to begin
Well I know you wake up here only
When the snakes come marching in.

You imagine me sipping champagne from your boot
For taste of your elegant pride
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
But at least Im enjoying the ride, at least Ill enjoy the ride.
Ride, ride, ride
Ride, ride, ride
Ride, ride, ride
At least Ill enjoy the ride.
At least Ill enjoy the ride.
At least Ill enjoy the ride.

Grateful Dead - Hell In A Bucket - 06-26-94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUiutKkMeiA

Bob Dylan - Isis (Unreleased Hard Rain 1976)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igW2s4C_eV4

ET,,

That person's name is, Wahidiyya Kosmotikos, ref comic books. Your friend does very impressive art work, a little on the dark side, but very impressive all the same. Maybe they can hook up and create some work together. As they say, nothing ventured nothing gained.

ET,

BTW when did you change your nic to ET?

"Should you come back today, I'll most likely be gone, but when we run across each other, hopefully that will be me running over you with my gas thirsty Hummer, remind me to give you the name of someone who is in the comic book world. Think of it as a favor."

That was said in jest, a joke, you need to read the whole thing. You know "run across each other", as bump into each other, pass each other, do you now get it , "run across each other"? I threw in the Hummer thing since you are always working on cars. LMAO. Liberals, such thin skin people.

No Longer Ready to Retire
In Economic Crisis, Nest Eggs Vanish, as Do Long-Held Dreams

By Brigid Schulte
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, September 21, 2008; Page C01
The American Psychological Association released a report showing that the No. 1 cause of anxiety for Americans is money fears.

That was in June.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/20/AR2008092002256.html?hpid=topnews

I am thankful I pulled my mutual funds out of the market and put it in a "secure" savings account.

That was said in jest, a joke, you need to read the whole thing. You know "run across each other", as bump into each other, pass each other, do you now get it , "run across each other"? I threw in the Hummer thing since you are always working on cars. LMAO. Liberals, such thin skin people.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 21, 2008 6:52 AM

Well someone did hit me with a car (slightly but it still hurt), so I am a bit sensitive. oh I don't work on cars... I run a shop, very well too. I, of course, do the necessary work outside, cleaning the pumps and the grounds. blah blah blah. I apologize for mistaking your comment but a year or so ago a gas station attendant was run over by someone who stole $40 worth of gasoline and didn't want to pay. It was in Missouri I think, the shop owner/operator was killed. Sometimes when I run to stop a car I have to quickly decide whether to stop cause there are really some strange psychos out there.

GORDO, GORDO, GORDO, GORDO

Welcome back.

You may find this hard to believe, but I think some of these Libs, some not all, actually missed reading your thought provoking commentary.

ET,

"Well someone did hit me with a car"

Well I hope it wasn't a Hummer, or Alicia Knight might be accusing me of the hit and run. LOL

Everyone now take in a big breath of air...hold it...and release. Now again...

ET,

"Sometimes when I run to stop a car I have to quickly decide whether to stop cause there are really some strange psychos out there."

You do have a point there about the psychos. Problem with a lot of psychos, they look just like your next door neighbor. And BTW, running after cars isn't a smart thing to do, just ask a dog that latched onto a rolling tire.

Breakfast

NFL, Sunday Sep. 21

Cincinnati at NY Giants 1:00 PM

Cleveland at Baltimore 4:15 PM

"Stage Door Canteen" on TCM starting.....

WASHINGTON (AP) - "The Bush administration asked Congress on Saturday for the power to buy $700 billion in toxic assets clogging the financial system and threatening the economy as negotiations began on the largest bailout since the Great Depression.

The rescue plan would give Washington broad authority to purchase bad mortgage-related assets from U.S. financial institutions for the next two years. It does not specify which institutions qualify or what, if anything, the government would get in return for the unprecedented infusion.

......The proposal is a mere three pages long, but it gives sweeping powers to the government to dispense gigantic sums of taxpayer dollars in a program that would be sheltered from court review."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080921/D93AVJUO0.html

the players:

Judith Anderson
Henry Armetta
Kenny Baker
Tallulah Bankhead
Ralph Bellamy
Jack Benny
Edgar Bergen (with Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd)
Ray Bolger (featured performer)
Helen Broderick
Ina Claire
Katharine Cornell (This is the only film she ever made.)
Lloyd Corrigan
Jane Darwell
William Demarest
Gracie Fields (featured performer)
Lynn Fontanne
Arlene Francis
Virginia Grey
Helen Hayes
Katharine Hepburn
Hugh Herbert
Jean Hersholt
Sam Jaffe
Allen Jenkins
George Jessel (featured performer)
Otto Kruger
Gertrude Lawrence
Gypsy Rose Lee (featured performer)
Alfred Lunt
Bert Lytell
Aline MacMahon
Harpo Marx
Elsa Maxwell
Helen Menken
Yehudi Menuhin (featured performer)
Ethel Merman (featured performer)
Peggy Moran
Alan Mowbray
Paul Muni
Merle Oberon
Franklin Pangborn
Brock Pemberton
George Raft
Lanny Ross
Martha Scott
Cornelia Otis Skinner
Ned Sparks
Bill Stern
Ethel Waters (featured performer)
Johnny Weissmuller
Dame May Whitty
Ed Wynn (featured performer)
Orchestras: (all featured performers)

Count Basie
Xavier Cugat (with Lina Romay as featured vocalist)
Benny Goodman (with Peggy Lee as featured vocalist)
Kay Kyser
Guy Lombardo
Freddy Martin

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148438

Hey Tony,
Thanks for that update on Patsi.
I appreciate you sharing the hurricane stories with me. Sounds like a rough time for you. Sorry to hear about your mom and grandmother being bedridden at the time though.

Hope everything is good for you now.

For all of you who like to poo-poo race as a factor in this presidential campaign (that's you Chloe, Patsi, Jack...)
One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks
Mr. Democrat | September 20, 2008 1:41 PM

Mr. D.
Good to see you're still around.
I've been wondering why we haven't seen you here.

Sturge,
At the risk of my looking at like a real dummy (and it wouldn't be the first time) what is that you just posted?

Today's science news: When worlds collide

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1947503920080920?feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews

It's a movie on TCM channel...........with all those people listed in the movie.....

TCM is Turner Classic Movie channel........all movies, no commercials.....on most basic cable systems

Chloe

That was the cast of Stage Door Canteen. There were two similar movies made during WW II

Stage Door Canteen
Hollywood Canteen

Scads of starts of New York and Hollywood entertain the troops.

You're quite the typist Sturge.

We saw a great movie yesterday. Ghost Town. Very funny and very touching and meaningful. I highly recommend it.

Saturday we saw Burn after Reading, which was different, but very good and oddly funny too. A very different part for Brad Pitt.

Saturday = Friday

Sunday polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Now here's a new and original idea for politicians - Truthiness. I wonder if they know what that means?

Truthiness Stages a Comeback
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

"And whether the Republican White House can influence events to help McCain"

Everything Shrub does turns to crap. If I were McCain I would ask Shrub to go to Paraguay now.

McCain has already said he opposes the "golden parachuets" I can't believe Paulson would make that a deal killer.

If the Dems approve the package because of a little tidbit thrown in for consumers, it will come back to haunt them during Obama's first term when there is no money to do anything that might really work.

I think the news media has dropped the ball by not doing better reporting on what are the root causes of this problem

And BTW, running after cars isn't a smart thing to do, just ask a dog that latched onto a rolling tire.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 21, 2008 7:19 AM

TRUE! The oil company tells us that too... The drive off is not worth your life. Of course they won't pay if someone does it, but I do see the point !!!

“Welcome to The Jaw,” said a nervous Diamond Jim with his best smile, as he stuck out his hand. “Nice to see you guys.” Tony and Jack could have cared less, but Al greeted him warmly. “I hear you’re doing a great job here, Jim,” Capone said, pumping his hand, “but I want you to do more. We need to double the whiskey coming out of here.”

“We’ll talk, Mr. Capone. Right now, follow me. These old Chinamen tunnels will take us to any hotel in town.” The Moose Jaw tunnels were built in the late 1800s by Chinese people who lived under the stores and hotels illegally. Many worked on the CPR. It was the time when many western Canadians were afraid of what was known as the “yellow peril.” Ottawa had brought in restrictions on the number of Chinese immigrants that were allowed into the country so as not to take away too many jobs from Canadians. The government even imposed a head tax on every Chinese immigrant.

Many of these workers were unable to afford the tax, so they went underground to hide from the authorities. Eventually, many of the immigrants smuggled in their wives and even raised families in the dark secret tunnels under Moose Jaw.

http://www.lonepinepublishing.com/cat/1-894864-11-5/gallery/excerpt

"I wanted to state what I think the most important question of the coming days for me is - will Barack Obama lead the Democrats in a fight against the 700 billion dollar blank check the Bush Administration is asking for to bail out Wall Street?

This is a 3 AM moment. The time to lead is now. We will find out a lot about Barack Obama in the coming days. We already know what John McCain is, an incompetent ideologue. Let's hope that Obama proves himself a leader."

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/21/92845/7502

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

I got to see these tunnels and also stayed a month in Capone's favored room.......corner room with view 2 ways out the windows........Royal Hotel, Moose Jaw......quite a trip.......

Third, what's probably most amazing of all is the contrast between how gargantuan all of this is and the complete absence of debate or disagreement over what's taking place. It's not just that, as usual, Democrats and Republicans are embracing the same core premises ("this is regrettable but necessary"). It's that there's almost no real discussion of what happened, who is responsible, and what the consequences are. It's basically as though the elite class is getting together and discussing this all in whispers, coordinating their views, and releasing just enough information to keep the stupid masses content and calm.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

The Greenwald column is great -- it compares how Congressional Dems went along with the Iraq debacle in the same way they are going along with the Shrubian economic rescue....

Katherine,

While there will most assuredly be much huffing & puffing this week, it would seem that in the end it would be highly unlikely that they will not endorse what Paulsen requested.

The potential risk is too great.

"Almost Armageddon--markets were 500 trades from a meltdown"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09212008/business/almost_armageddon_130110.htm

It is my understanding that when Fannie Mae became a government sponsored enterprise in 1968, it was puposely made up of equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats so that neither could point a finger at the other should something go wrong.Apparently we are at that non-finger pointing place now as KGC's link implies.

Coreen

I think you are right but I hope not. It would be great if the Dems stood up to this bailout of the failed regulatory policy of the Bush administration.

Let them eat cake.

Jack

"Don't worry be happy!" Phil Gramm and Steve Forbes

And here are even more questions to be considered,
with no satisfactory answers. (This is from a primarily
bankruptcy/credit issues website)

"Thoughts on the Bailout Plan"

http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2008/09/thoughts-on-the.html#more

KGC

The thing we have keep our eye on is, This problem was created by all these folks in the first place. It is not just Republicans, they had many willing allies across the aisle. A major one is now running for VP

Jack

Coreen
Good set of questions...too bad Shrubians have no answers

This is another approach
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/some-thoughts-on-bailout.html

Jack
That's the truth. I think others have posted about this before but an echo...too bad there isn't a credible third party candidate
this would have been a good year.

The land lord call the rent is late, he might have to litigate.
Don't worry, Be happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

Has anyone been watching Paulson on the Sunday talk shows?

I'm curious if anyone is asking the hard questions raised by Krugman and others.

The problems cannot be resolved by shifting the debts of the banks onto the taxpayer. That's an illusion. By adding another $1 or $2 trillion dollars to the National Debt, Paulson is just ensuring that interest rates will go up, real estate will crash, unemployment will soar, and foreign central banks will abandon the dollar. In truth, there is no fix for a deleveraging market anymore than there is a fix for gravity. The belief that massive debts and insolvency can be erased by increasing liquidity just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. That's why Henry Paulson is the worst possible person to be orchestrating the so called rescue project. Paulson comes from a business culture which rewards deception, personal acquisitiveness, and extreme risk-taking. Paulson is to finance capitalism what Rumsfeld is to military strategy. His leadership, and the congress' pathetic abdication of responsibility, assures disaster. Besides, why should the taxpayers be happy that the stocks of Morgan Stanley, Washington Mutual and Goldman Sachs surged on the news that there would be a government bailout yesterday? These banks are essentially bankrupt and their business models are broken. Keeping insolvent banks on life support is not a rescue plan; it's insanity.

The rest.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/09/there-is-no-fix.html

well now I'm depressed.

here are two good news stories for us:

don't worry be happy at least we won't get sucked into a black hole for another 2 months
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10047185-76.html

hrc helping to oust mcconnell
http://m.courier-journal.com/news.jsp?key=321298&rc=br

I used to play this song on my ex-radio program at KAOS radio in Olympia Radio. Alana is not getting the attention she deserves! BUY HER ALBUMS!

Alana Davis - 32 Flavors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEfbL53jhN4

I missed Paulson but am listening to Bloomberg on MTP

You want to be real depressed listen to the round table on MTP.

Jack

hope this isn't a repost. re dump both vp nominees.

http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/anotherview/all-parker9-20.6596490sep19,0,3630983.story

Peoples Republic of Wallstreet

LOL
The worst of of everything all tied together.

Jack

We are all socialists now!

http://wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s19.shtml

4 legs bad
2 legs good

Come on people get with the program.

LOL

Enough otf that., I am going to get out of here, gonna do something constructive. Add a little real value to this world.

Jack

You guys have sunk to a new low. Cindy's face is odd? Todd is creepy?Sarah's voice is grinding? It's a relief to know you rely on important issues. How about this- Barack looks so gay with that stupid ass smile and Michelle always looks angry and that is NOT gonna age well. P.S. Hi Gordo , Please be right!!

If Barack would be Gay it would be a ok with me... I can't help it if Cindy's face is odd... Todd is hot to look at, and Sarah's voice is, well Powerpuff Girl sure ain't gonna get hired to do any professional voice overs, that's for sure!

And still what does it mean?

And still what does it mean?

If Obama is gay, it explains why Mrs. O is angry.

And where has MO been? I think she's on the Jesse Jackson/Sharpton tour. Can't remind the folks who is actually on the ballot. And Barack has to distance himself from all the black leaders as well as successful former presidents who went before him. It's ALL about him now.

more good news
Judge orders Cheney to preserve records
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080920/Cheney.Lawsuit/

"Do we have to wait for the trial or can we hang 'em high now?" [Jamie 9:52 PM]

jamie, never put off til tomorrow what you can do today.
ben

The Obots think having access to the programming at SNL is great. However, the recent skit (encouraged by the Obots) which slammed not only Pallin but Hillary Clinton did not sit well with either Clinton. The Clintons are reconsidering their campaign schedules.

September 19, 2008 09:27am

FORMER US president Bill Clinton has cast an approving eye at Sarah Palin's political skills, but would not be drawn on whether his wife Hillary could run for the White House in 2012.
Mr Clinton, acclaimed even by his enemies as one of the most consummate American politicians in recent history, said he did not agree with Republican vice presidential pick Mrs Palin on politics, but warned fellow Democrats not to underestimate her.

"She's an instinctively effective candidate and with a compelling story," Mr Clinton said in an interview with CNBC.

"I think it was exciting to some that she was a woman," said Mr Clinton.

"I think she, I get why she's done so well. It's a mistake to underestimate her. She's got good intuitive skills. They're significant."

Senator Clinton is busy with her senate duties and her own bailout proposal -HOLC.

Whoever buys that debt (the 'gov't') is getting a hell of a deal.

People still watch SNL?

The Clinton Plan HOLC
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

craig, paul harris of the guardian must have read trail mix or maybe it's a "great minds..." thing.

Wall St woes help Obama overtake McCain express
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/21/uselections2008.barackobama

Obama should adopt the Clinton HOLC plan but it would make her look like the better prepared candidate.
Obama should have surrounded himself with her economic advisors instead of Bill's.

Champ

Apparently some body watches snl, I haven't in years.
I guess Frankens return to writing for SNL means he has given up

my recently relocated friends from Alaska sent this link regarding Palin and the religious right....

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/531723.html

IMHO, the switch from the race to the color green has been a great benefit for Mr. o.

don't mean to be the posting pig, but I would like for one of the MSM to ask McCain about how the Bush tax cuts (which he claims are the hallmark of growing the economy) can save the day when most likely the cuts have gotten us into this economic meltdown? They always tout the tax cuts as growing small business -- while the mega giants reap the same rewards? Greed or growth?

Forget about the cold war, drug war, anti-terroism war, we are in a wealth war. And any thinking dem, can't let the repugs win this one again and again.

I'm curious if Craig is lurking today because I wonder what the odds are that the Dems in Florida could succeed in making Palin look like Katherine Harris...

Considering how much money retirees lost last week in there retirement funds, would that be enough to push either candidate over 50% there?

The little tiny brain talking about the "ownership society" as if he could explain it.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/klein

Naomi Klein on the "Ownership Society."

The credit crisis hits all sectors.
Regional banks are in trouble -not because of subprime loans but because of contruction loans.
Mortgages in all sectors have higher default rates as do credit cards and other forms of personal loans.
Blaming one sector is wrong.
When Paulson-Rumsfeld talks about bad debt it is not limited to subprime loans.

no money because of no jobs? No jobs because of no money?

Off for the day....enjoy the ownership class. It is about to be dismissed!

WTF is this: 2007
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Twelve Wall Street firms that had launched competing platforms for trading unregistered securities known as 144a issues have agreed to cooperate on a single platform operated by the Nasdaq Stock Market (NDAQ.O: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the exchange said on Monday.

The move, a result a two months of negotiations between the second-largest U.S. stock exchange and the firms, will bring liquidity and transparency to a market that has so far been "opaque," said Nasdaq Chief Executive Bob Greifeld in an interview.
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN1245320920071112?sp=true

"The Greenwald column is great -- it compares how Congressional Dems went along with the Iraq debacle in the same way they are going along with the Shrubian economic rescue...."

What was that expression: Screw me once. . my fault. .

BW

It is not just the wealthy who move capital part of my 401k is in an overseas fund. And I assume anything I put in a money market fund moves back and forth daily.

A lot of these large capital flows are really an aggregate us. From our 401k funds all of the pension funds, life insurance ect ect.

That is why Pogo and I were going WTF where can we be safe, in my case, with the little bit we have.

Jack

LOL . . maybe it was
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me ...

So Rez

Who's the first against the wall?

"Talkin bout a revolution"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKYWOwWAguk

Jack

The revolution will not be televised

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCQSk2l8bc

You Jack . . lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqz3BZd3cV8&feature=related

Why do I believe this is what the revolution will look like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGQ6syowJoY

How about all the banks that were mandated to become "Equal opportunity lenders"? They had to lend to people that they knew wouldn't be able to pay. It isn't just the banks fault, it is also the laws that forced them to make bad loans.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/

The Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity (FHEO) administers and enforces federal laws and establishes policies that make sure all Americans have equal access to the housing of their choice. Learn more about FHEO.

"They had to lend to people that they knew wouldn't be able to pay. It isn't just the banks fault, it is also the laws that forced them to make bad loans."

I don't believe that is true. What they did have to do was stop redlining neighborhoods such as mine. It didn't force them to make bad loans.

Jack

for those of you who missed the Sunday morning news interviews. I believe this covers it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM-VvLvmV6o

Jack

Bowman,

The point of being an equal opportunity lender is so you can't discriminate on the basis or race, gender, sexual orientation or age.

All loans should be underwritten to qualify on the basis of income, equity and credit standards.

Where your complaint falls under are CRA requirement, but those are for Federal Savings Banks and not mortgage companies. Sometime the lender will stretch to make certain loans, but more often than not, they offer pricing incentives to make these loans. I don't know if it's changed but the default numbers on those loans weren't higher than normal.

Wow...

Nice to see the Patriots are laying down like they are auditioning for a porn film...

Bear

I think we need a score card. What with banks , mortgage companies, investment banks ECt,ect ,ect

Jack

"God wants me to be rich"

http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/07/16/Megachurch-Preacher-Joel-Osteen?tid=advert/intermarkets/megachurch_preacher

If he does then he needs to get off his ass and deliver.

Jack

"Global finance is being torn apart; it can be put back together again"

The Economist's leading article from this week's issue, Very, very worth reading:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12263158

Jack, if I was going to make one major investment right now, it would be Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffet's company. BRK-A

Rez..Obviously you are not on my knothead list because I am responding to you.

I have no illusion that Hillary will be the nominee in November.

When her supporters hear her discussing the economy and the challenges we face, it becomes painful to realize that the major parties have selected candidates who are extremely ill-suited to meet these challenges.

I've made it clear that if my state is in play on election day, I will reluctantly vote for the ticket. Otherwise, I will write in Hillary.

"God wants me to be rich"
If he does then he needs to get off his ass and deliver.

Jack, just for you in these times of woe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-GFqhCq2HA

OD,

I'm glad you'll do the right thing if push comes to shove.

If you promise to do that, I'll promise not to question your mental health. :-)

Sorry OD. You and I both know that Clinton would have been a much better President, but we have what we have. The bright side, is that Obama will still have her to call at 3:00 a.m. if necessary.

You can't write in Clinton
http://mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.html

ET - I would add to my answer as to why Mc chose Palin. I think he saw a chance to one-up Obama after the way he and his campaign treated HRC. People all over the world saw her and her husband being treated with insults and disdain, yet Obama was running as someone who wanted to change things.

When Obama chose yet another white male, Mc saw a chance to co-opt the change meme - he took the step Obama shied away from. It's been effective in that it has stirred up a lot of chatter, but in the long run might not be enough. I certainly hope so - I dread having to see Palin's face constantly thru the years ahead.

However no matter what comes around, I do think dems are going to pay for the way HRC was treated. They are very vulnerable on that point - had a great opportunity, and punted.

Sturge - ever time I've tried to watch Stage Door Canteen, I haven't been able to. It is way beyond poignant and I tear up - probably could have sat thru it when I was a good deal younger, but no way now.

Also, Sturge - I've been meaning to ask if you've ever read any of Dorothy Dunnett's series set in 16th century Scotland, The Lymond Chronicles. The first one is Game of Kings. It is peppered with latin quotations, which I made stabs at not very successfully.
You might enjoy it - it's not everybody's cup of tea but I find the books mesmerizing. Quite a romp.

Shorter financial crisis

Paulsen = Rumsfeld
Financial Crisis = Iraq

Why on God's green earth should we allow the Bush administration to define the problem let alone suggest the solution.

Regretably the media has done the same crummy job on educating the public on the financial mess they did with the war in Iraq.

bethy.....checked it out.....it looks good, looking forward to having something new........have to get Jesus' brother Biff first, but those are next........

thanks......

Has Shuster been slapping around the McBushites?

Hell he does a better job of keeping them honest than Obama's surrogates. . Er. . I mean both sides, not them :-p~~~

"Regretably the media has done the same crummy job on educating the public on the financial mess they did with the war in Iraq."

The more I read and try to inform myself the more confused I get and I think I understand better than the average Indian. lol

I can only guess on the general public's understanding of this mess. I'm so confused ......

The bright side, is that Obama will still have her to call at 3:00 a.m. if necessary.

Maybe so Jamie, in which case I just hope Slick doesn't have the line tied up.

I’m in Istanbul, wondering what I can do for my country thanks to a friend of mine in New York who suggested it as a joke but a good one.

Rather than forwarding emails about how dreadful a candidate Sarah Palin is, make a donation to Planned Parenthood in her name.

The best part: when you make a donation to PP in her name, they'll send her a card telling her that the donation has been made in her honor. Here's the link to the

Planned Parenthood website:

https://secure.ga0.org/02/ pp10000...pp10000_inhonor

Let PP know where to send the card saying "in Sarah Palin's honor".

McCain for President
1235 S. Clark Street
1st Floor
Arlington , VA 22202

Tim
choose the pulldown of Donate--Honorary or Memorial Donations, not the regular "Donate Online"

https://secure.ga0.org/02/pp10000_inhonor

working link for Planned Parenthood

Jamie..While it true that a losing primary candidate cannot file for a write-in campaign in the general, write-ins are allowed for all candidate races and the write-ins are tallied in Oregon.

Also, in Oregon, a Joe Lieberman would not have been able to run in the general after losing the primary.

Flatus
re: Warren Buffet and BRK/A

I would just like to have his list, Very impressive summer run. He has almost regained everything he lost in the last year and the gain is since June.

So how many shares did you buy and if you did do you want to adopt a son?
A bit pricey but you don't need many of them.

Jack

Lord Flatus

I just looked at the chart,
LOL
The sum bytch has to have been in on all the short selling He may be one of the reasons they suspended short selling,

LOL
He made up most of his loses for the year in the LAST WEEK!.

Remember Soros used to do that to third world currencies In the eighties and ninties. Maybe that is where we've sunk to.
A 25% gain in a week WOW

Jack

Dovima with the Elephants.......Dovima and R. Avedon

http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_396_44592_richard-avedon.jpg

Bethyboo

You can find translations for most common latin phrases here:

http://www.epistemelinks.com/Main/LatinWords.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148803

Correction
It slipped my mind that in addition to ownning half the world Bershire Hathaway is also an insurance company. The rebound was because of the suspension of short selling. Still holding your value in this market is still impressive

Jack

OD

"http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148796

I knew Oregon was a sane state when they wouldn't let me pump my own gas. I just may have to move there some day. :-)

I'll trust you to read the polls and decide whether it is Obama or a write in.

Flatus

Another thought, I wonder if the BRK runup was also some big money looking for safety.

Jack

"The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the possibility that a University of Tennessee student hacked into the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin."

http://www.wbir.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=64033&catid=29

Palin's first Fla. campaign stop

"But she was welcomed like a star, with tens of thousands cramming into a plaza and nearby streets"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_el_pr/palin

Jack, Buffet is an old fashioned kick-the-ties type of investor. BRK is essentially a closed-end mutual fund. It sells at a discount to its net asset value (which is fine).

He's one of the few 'tycoons' that I would trust with my money. Another is the founder of Vanguard, John Bogle.

Oh, BKH also has a 'B' stock that is like a fractional share of the big one.

"I wonder if the BRK runup was also some big money looking for safety."

It could also be people covering their shorts. When I traded, short interest was always most interesting.

I found nothing wrong with selling short--it was sensible way of minimizing risk.

Palin in FL:

"She went to perhaps the easiest place in Florida to get a large Republican turnout, stuck mostly to the themes she's hit since the Republican convention and took no questions from reporters or the crowd."

One thought pushes fence-sitters to the left: Palin

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article818181.ece

Why McCain Loves Misha
Georgia's president is a man after the Republican nominee's heart. That's what worries some advisers.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160069

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/news-bumps-drive-the-race.html#comment-148784

Sturg...

Glad to see you've got Lamb (Biff/Jesus' childhood pal) in your reading queue! I used to tell folks that Letters From the Earth made me laugh more than any book I'd ever read. Lamb has changed that. It's that funny!

"He's one of the few 'tycoons' that I would trust with my money"

There are a number of people in Omaha feel the same way. It is probably one of the reasons my wife says Omaha looks like it has money. She has been spending the last week and a half up there on business.

Jack

Independent Economists Confirm the McCain Tax Plan Will Leave out 101 Million Taxpayers.

Analysts Say That Obama’s Tax Cut Plan “Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals” Of McCain.

http://thepage.time.com/obama-campaign-fact-check-of-mccain-on-60-minutes/

Rita,

The Clinton's can't say no to the campaign trail because if they are active at getting down ticket people elected and it's safe to say if she can help defeat McConnell, that victory will be on her shoulders, then she will have built up the bank of good will for 2012.

At that point she will be a front runner for Dem nomination against Palin in 2012 or she can run a Kennedy like insurgency vs. Obama in 2012

Jack,

I'm shocked at the amount of money in Omaha...one thing about Warren Buffet is that he eats at Dairy Queen almost every day..(he owns it) and he hasn't bought a new suit in years.

Palin's Foreign Policy Experience:

"I can see Russia from my house . . . and I am going on a field trip to the UN!"

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palin_united_nations_jos.html

"I can see Russia from my house . . . and I am going on a field trip to the UN!"

Warren is that anything like

I can't be bothered to convene my foreign affairs subcommittee so I think I'll do a rock star tour with my entourage instead.

Well there is one difference, he is running for president, she is not.
Remember all pointing out her experience does is hit your man.
Jack

only an idiot would defend that Palin statement

Sarah Palin draws crowd of 60,000. in Flordia

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

LOL
Looks like Sarah is the new rockstar.

Jack:

His so-called "rock star tour" was almost two years of discussing and debating the major Foreign Policy issues facing this Country.

A stark contrast to Palin going out an saying the same stump speech over and over again and dodging reporters.

Obama also did a tour of the Middle East and Europe holding press conferences and meeting with Foreign leaders - not going on a field trip to the UN to shake their hands.

The incredible shrinking Obama

Trouble is, most of the story of the campaign isn't so much coming from the candidate himself as it is created by all those who, most in worshipful terms, have talked, written and reported on or about him. The Obama campaign is one great text generator, the grand fable of his fans.

This is the nature of Mr. Obama's particular kind of charisma. People project their best wishes on him, they fill in the blank of a very attractive and plausible outline. His is not, emphatically, a charisma of deeds. For what has he done, save run for president? He is an accommodating vessel - cool, smart, biracial and "unfinished." This is the Gatsby quality of him that others have noted. Like Gatsby, he is a receptacle of others' glamorous invention.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080919.wcomurph20/BNStory/specialComment/home

Where is John McCain? Is he still running?

And the Palin pick shows that McCain is putting "Politics First".

After months and months of basing his campaign on the idea that Obama did not have the experience to lead - he goes and selects a VP that has even less Foreign Policy experience.

McCain also selected a VP that did nothing to balance out his weakness on the economy.

zippy:

McCain is the one who had a convention that was based on personality instead of policies.

Trying to make America think that if we have a war hero implementing the GOP's policies - somehow things will work out differently than the last 8 years.

it's like looking for WALDO...

I found McCain : He was in Baltimore speaking to a crowd of just shy of 4000 people.

His little sidekick can certainly pack the house.....wonder how long the will continue apart?

Jack:

I think what Obama said about the Iraq war says a lot more about his judgment than his decision on whether to hold a committee meeting.

In 2002, Obama said that the Iraq War was "an ill-conceived venture which would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

It's all going to boil down to the ground game....imo....And that is a good thing for Obama. His grass roots support, the bottom up theory - for a country for the people - by the people, is huge.

that is the true difference here.....

landslide coming......

Let's see he goes before a bunch of antiwar liberals and panders to them. He gets a plum subcommittee chairmanship and does use it to fill in his thin resume.

OK if knowing how to pander is the judgement you want.

Jack

Worlds apart on healthcare

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/09/21/worlds_apart_on_healthcare/

The [supposed] upshot [of McCain's plan], analysts say, is that many young, healthy workers would reject their employers' taxable insurance benefit and either go without or find a high-deductible, low-premium policy on the private market.

[Who the hell wants to do wants to go out shopping for health insurance on the private market?]
...

The Massachusetts experiment will test whether better access to healthcare does pay off in improved prevention and lower costs. There is no comparable lab test, however, for the radical revision of healthcare that McCain is proposing. For all of his moderate positions on immigration and climate change, on healthcare he has endorsed a right-wing ideologue's vision: destroy employer-based coverage and turn Americans over to the tender mercies of private nongroup insurers in an unregulated environment. It's a prescription for disaster.

Oh if anybody else out there is calling for Obama feel free to comment too

Jack

Jack:

He made a public statement and took a position that was very unpopular at the time.

McCain's pandering:

-Supporting Bush tax cuts
-Saying he would not vote for his own immigration bill
-Palin

Warren

There is no difference in the 2 health plans beyond the cheerleading points. the basics of both are this. They both suffer from the same thing. they are expensive boondoggles that won't work. They both are more interested in taking care of the insurance companies than they are the patient. The only good thing about either is they are both are never going to become law.

Jack

Warren

You don't want to get in a pandering smack down.

FISA

Need I say more?

Jack

" took a position that was very unpopular at the time."

Not at that time and place , Warren.

Jack

"you excel at McCain's talking points"

Am I now, lol as if you had a clue.
You are pisspoor at getting Obama's talking points across, which has been my point all night. As I don't think you are one of the subjects of a McCain talking point then it looks like your wrong again, Big suprise.

Jack

Warren

Better stick to smaking down McCain. that seems to be the only talking point Obama wants out there. Notice the Obama folks are doing the smart thing with Palin, they are treating her like the VP. They are ignoring her.

Jack

Palin will likely finish the job herself.

After the excitement - she is now like coming down to earth. She is now like a more traditional VP - who only gets media coverage when they make a gaffe.

Meant to delete that first "like" - I am not morphing into a valley girl...

60,000 people Warren.
She is here to stay and she will only get stronger. You had better take the Big Dawgs advice and don't underestimate her. Republicans are 90% behind McCain where as the Democrats are only 80% behind Obama.

Jack

I don't underestimate her. But I also know that if she makes one mistake - McCain is in big trouble.

But your right about the press now that Obama made it a nonstory. But her job is to talk to the base while McCain keeps his distance from them.

Jack

Warren

Not with the lowball expectations that are building up for the debate. Biden is the one in danger. If he beats her it is to be expected. If she holds her own that is front page above the fold.

Jack

Jack:

All that needs to happen is one bad sound byte from the debate or the campaign trail.

If she slips up on Foreign Policy - it will feed into the already existing narrative (voiced even by some conservatives) that she has no experience on this topic.

It will then be easy to make a powerful argument against McCain's judgment.

The biggest decision a nominee makes is VP. McCain made a rash decision that demonstrates poor judgment and he placed politics over Country.

(And even if she does not screw up - there are still plenty of people that already believe this to be true).

"You were spot on then "

Thanks for reminding me. I told you your man was going fall by the way early and sure enough that is what happened. Johnny boy didn't work out so well for you did he.

Jack

Minutes after conservative columnist George Will declared that the Senator was decidedly un-presidential is his unexpected call for the firing of SEC Chairman Chris Cox, Sam Donaldson, the long-time ABC hand, said that McCain's erratic message on the economy again raised questions about his age.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/21/abc-panel-tears-into-mcca_n_128055.html

One "senior moment" for McCain in the debates - and he is toast....

Much better , Warren

Jack

Good night all.

Warren
Good night

Jack

It's comforting to know that America can rally behind Bush in a dress...even better to know that what Republicans demand from their opponents, they ignore from their own so long as it's their means to power.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/rush-limbaugh-hates-mexic_b_127902.html

All the Candidates’ Cars

When you have seven homes, that's a lot of garages to fill. After the fuss over the number of residences owned by the two presidential nominees, NEWSWEEK looked into the candidates' cars. And based on public vehicle-registration records, here's the score. John and Cindy McCain: 13. Barack and Michelle Obama: one.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160091

Jamie - thanks for the link to latin phrases. I added it to my favorites - never know when something like that will come in handy. You sure do come up with the links.

Unfortunately, in this book, Dunnett throws in long verses which might be in a latin with some weird spellings. It is a remarkable series and you might enjoy it, too. Be warned, tho, it's beyond addictive if you start off enjoying it.