Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Yep, McCain's weird!

tt

LOL...
According ti us it failed indeed..... BO showed he could stay above the fray.
Wonder what is next for team McCain.
Team BO is just trying to stay on course, they have nothing to losse at the moment. If Team BO is able to hold the wheel and drive past Friday without any scratches, I would say: hello president Obama!

Poor McCain, he isn´t even that bad...... :-)

To really get a good idea on how McCain's antics disrupted the financial hearings and meetings in D.C., look up Senator Dodd's appearance on Imus In The Morning last Friday.
Senator Dodd was furiously livid.
In the polls I believe matter, Obama leads comfortably. I still am fearful , as I know how repugs manipulate polling station on election days.
The CQ map doesn't convince me we have enough domination yet.

Rachel Maddow is a smash hit!

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-maddow29-2008sep29,0,670433.story

maddow asmash hit' now thats wierd
could she be anymore obviously biased
for obama

Rachel Maddow can be very interesting, but..

She is so obviously on the Obama bandwagon and seems to becoming each day more and more like most political talk show hosts who are predictable every single day.

they all are doing the same thing with mccain
as they did with my girl hillary
they are shiny happy people when speaking of obama
but get this scornful frown on thier faces when
they even have to say the word mcain''
it would be funny' if the future of our nation was'nt
at stake

Craig

Are you one of the 14 MILLION people who will pay more in taxes under the "APPEASEMENT KIDS" plan ?

Thats how many people 5% is 14 MILLION, just about the same number of illegal immigrants.

How if you don't want your taxes raised I guess you should tell your boss to lower your salary just a dollar below the thresh hold and you will get a tax cut instead of a tax raise. I wonder how many of the 14 Million people will do that

For those who love online polls. The Wall Street Journal Washington blog has one on who won the debate so far 413,489 votes McCain 166,058 Obama 140,491 neither 106,940. So I guess that settles it McCain won the debate.

Yes, you can still vote so go for it IronMike, Topo, 11201 Saratoga Steve, and all the rest of you.
I was the 413,489 voter, and yes I only voted ONCE, I don' live in Chicago.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

mqw

Good morning, you drifiting up or down the mississippi tonight? I looked at the website you gave me. Really interesting. It was around this time in the morning, quiet and all of sudden the sound of a ship horn blast, I nearly went through the roof. neat looking ships. Bigger than the ones down on the texas coastline.

julie

julie'
still northbound just south 'of hometown of
vicksburg ms.

Craig,
Is it possible that McCain understands the grave nature of the crisis?

The MSM does not seem to get it, but do not expect that from liberal Journalistic majors,

Do you understand the grave nature of the problem?

It is a distraction to keep focusing on "where did John McCain look?" Why Did John McCain show concern for the People?
Craig your grade has slipped again

Substance

Thought

Should not a discussion of Political issues include something more then the superficial elements?
If one wants to serve and provide value the discussion needs to be elevated beyond just the simplistic style of each candidate.
How about some projection as to the direction a candidate will try to take this country?

This it appears must be found elsewhere - But where ?

The bias is to clear - as substance and thought have seemed to disappeared

C-listers,
I bring you SUBSTANCE. Who cares how long a candidate looks at the other - SUCH BS.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122264902427584171.html?mod=article-outset-box

This points to Bush as a spending liberal, and even if talked in 2003 about controls for Freddie and Fannie - Bush did not get it done - nor the fat cat Republicans that have been ousted.

Where do Sen Obama's and McCain stand?

Which one will continue the failed policy and surprise is closer to Bush?

It is Sen Obama - This is pathetically hysterical to dig in and find that Obama policy future is actually more of the same, How IRONIC

i agree with ping completely''' we've seen it all
before during the primaries with hillary'
focus on every little nit-picking thing except for
the actual issues at hand' do we still have
150 thousand troops in iraq ? you wouldn't
know it watching the news lately

craig, i respectfully disagree with you on the "brinkmanship" being all about bho. it is more likely imho that johnny mc's "pathetic hysterical attempt" was at the urging of certain repug chicken littles who saw their polical lives going down on the hms titanic bush and needed the good capt to help them to the lifeboat. sorry about the mixed methaphor. seems to me it was a call to duty thing from within the fractured fraternity which he can't talk about.

and hence his barely suppressed angry demeanor.

btw, what's the story on who all helped bho during his first days in the senate? seems that everyone (from the joes l & b, hillary, jmc etc) have mentioned giving a hand to the newbie. some of those good samaritans are now ruing the day... wonder what was in the helping hands that were extended and how many of those hands ended up being bitten.

mqw
I would have to agree with you,we have seen it all before with Hillary.I am voting for Obama and yet I find it so disturbing the MSM's all Obama all the time bias,however this is not the first time for this stuff remember in 2000 and 2004 the pro Bush MSM!! The who do you want to have a beer with nonsence....I just want neutrality in reporting of the news unless its advertised like Lou Dobbs as news and opinion......

Craig.... I have to agree with Ping Pong on your choice of topic..... that was soooooo 4-5 days ago..... it's all about looking to the future nowadays.......
yes, I'm aware that the candidates spent a lot of time in the debate looking backward..... but you at least have to give it the old college try..... ;)

Ping I agree with you that this country needs to get rid of the bloated long time politicians on both sides...... that's the only way we will see real change.....
the 2006 election was only a start, IMO....

Craig, I think McCain was doing an imitation of a blowfish. Look at me, I'm so important, puff, puff, puff, that I can't be bothered with a debate, I have to get back to WaRshington, puff, puff, puff. Of course, I can show up to debate, I can save the economy & debate Obama, puff, puff, puff. Look at Obama, why would I do that? I'm going to be dismissive and never look at him, although I will look straight ahead and smirk from time to time, puff, puff, puff. Oh, and Palin, yes, I still think I made the right choice; she's just dandy, puff, puff, puff.

All of this bobbing & weaving has made him look energetic for someone of his advanced years, but mostly, he just looks erratic & desparate.

I'm waiting for his famed temper to appear to see if the blowfish will explode.

Still think Hil'ry would be a better choice, but McShame would be the worst choice.

Tina Fey Rocks.

"I'm waiting for his famed temper to appear to see if the blowfish will explode"

then we can start calling him McHootie.....

blue... we can all agree.. Tina Fey Rocks !

Sarah? now lets move on and see what Thursday brings....
We can all agree that it must be another game changer again ......

Brain,
Agree with you that the STYLE of John McCain appears to be problomatic to Obama supporters and is fueled by the MSM. I was hoping for McCain to be more on point - but lets see as it is still short on the cycle.

Sadly most will not get the facts on the crisis as we have a dumbing of Journalism and more of a drive to get an agenda.

Sad for America

Good post, Craig. McCain's antics of the past week made me furious. If Sarah Palin is indeed the "hot librarian" in every high school boy's fantasy, McCain is the creepy janitor who sleeps on a cot down in the boiler room and only comes out at night.

mornin' all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-theatrical-misfire.html#comment-151980

Ping, the crisis didn't begin Tuesday, and there was no agreement reached Friday. McCain last week reminded me of the old saw,"When in danger,when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" The substantive part of the post has little to do with the debate and a lot to do with McCain's temperament and approach to crises, whcih has been questioned by such liberal voices as George Will. McCain did not acquit himself well.

Here's a summary of parts of the bill and its ramifications. The summary seems to be decent. The bill, well, we all have our opinions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/business/29bill.html?hp

"they all are doing the same thing with mccain
as they did with my girl hillary
they are shiny happy people when speaking of obama
but get this scornful frown on thier faces when
"they even have to say the word mcain''
it would be funny' if the future of our nation was'nt
at stake" Posted by: mqw | September 29, 2008 3:22 AM

mqw, Both here and there. You're right!

"The bias is to clear - as substance and thought have seemed to disappeared
Posted by: Ping Pong | September 29, 2008 6:19 AM"

Ping, It disappeared back in January.

"..I just want neutrality in reporting of the news"

Wouldn't that be nice Tony.

Pogo we agree it did not begin Tuesday, a subtantial fact points to begins in 1999 and then poor choice to act in 2003.

Even your response goes to style and OK agree with Brain Temperament difference between the two.
McCain IS REACTING to the greatest crisis we have seen since 9/11.

Question is how many more cycles before the election and when will substance rise to the dialogue?

Or the fact that this spending is OK for a Liberal set such as is the majority on this blog?

I find it offensive - and we must hold the current GOvernment (Dem Congress and Bush) Accountable

In Times of Crisis, Trust Capitalism
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/09/in_times_of_crisis_trust

correct link:

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/09/in_times_of_crisis_trust_capit.html

Mostly lurker who checks in once in a while... for all the chatter about McCain/Obama and who's being ill treated by whom etc, there's little talk about issues and direction. It seems pretty simple to me. If the Republicans nominated Obama I wouldn't vote for him and if the Dems nominated McCain, I would. It is very clear to me that we would be utterly foolish to turn the government, the economy and the military over to the Republican Party for another four days, never mind another four years. The difference is in ideology, direction and policy and it's huge. I don't think I need to specify those differences to the bloggers here, you all understand. The Republican Party believes in trickle down economics - make the rich richer and it will "grow" the economy. The Democrats believe in a regulated economy that holds a place for economic justice. Call it redistribution of wealth if you must. The Republican Party believes the individual needs to be directed by a higher authority in order to achieve his/her best moral position, be it God or lacking a direct connection, government will do. Democrats believe government has a place in the economy but not in your bedroom, nor is there a place for God in the lawbooks. Republicans believe in chip-on-my-shoulder diplomacy, Democrats believe threatening war is the short path to war when a longer path of diplomacy may get us to the same place without needless loss of our soldiers' lives.

It's an easy choice for me. And may be for you too.

TPCTNC - you relay on stero types to much and are way off.

I need to go off to my evil capitalistic world for fiscal year end - and try to find a business plan that keeps jobs and hope we return to the sound fundamentals of our American Economy

well......if god has been on the side of the republicans, as so many of them stand ready to exclaim.....it's not only time for a new party in power in DC......it's time for a new god.
enough is enough.

Ping, his response to the crisis is about substance, and calling McCain's response style doesn't change the fact that he had called the fundamentals of our economy sound (echoing the current admin, who you want us to hold accountable) the day AFTER the Lehman collapse and has not only voted consistently for the deregulation that led to this mess, but had as his chief economic advisor the architect of deregulation, who would still publicly be his chief economic advisor had he not made his stupid "nation of whiners" remark. And it doesn't change the fact that he hadn't even read Paulson's less than voluminous 3 page bill when he felt the need to announce he was suspending his campaign to deal with the crisis - hard to have much of a substantive response to something you haven't read. Maybe Gramm had briefed him - who knows? At least for me, I don't think this spending is any more OK than the current bailouts of the big 3 - but they all may be necessary to stabilize what appears to economy nitwits like me to be a system on the verge of collapse.

And if it's the substance of his response to the crisis you seek to discuss, you might try and provide some instead of pillorying critics of his so-called style. The reports of his role in the same that I've seen haven't revealed any substantive role he polayed other than riding in with his spurs jingling and uttering mumbo jumbo at the end of the meeting with the president. There may have been more, but I haven't seen any evidence of it - sounded to me like Boner was the Repug who was leading the opposition, and that McCain's role was ancillary and ceremonial to the extent it existed at all.

The bailout is a mistake and it won't fix anything except the bank accounts of Paulson's Pals.

When the fake uninformed reporting (skewed by the political bias of the moronic media) finds a new shiny bauble, people will be talking about the courage of Dennis Kucinich and what a lovely first lady his wife will be.

Ping, in case you might misunderstand my position, I own three businesses and make all of my income in competitive markets. That doesn't preclude me from believing that government needs to be an instrument of the people by the people and for the people. Oops more stereotyping?

Perhaps John McCain suspended his campaign and flew back to Washington to do his job. He and his opponent are both still Senators. No need to play one-up-manship by talking about this fact during the debate. I will always remember hearing the words, "if they need me, they will call me", as uttered by his opponent.

Wall Street - ungrateful. The market is down 300 points.

The bailout before McCain got involved was even more unacceptabe.

"If the Republicans nominated Obama I wouldn't vote for him and if the Dems nominated McCain, I would. It is very clear to me that we would be utterly foolish to turn the government, the economy and the military over to the Republican Party for another four days, never mind another four years." Posted by: TPCTNC 9:31 AM

alleluia, amen and right on brother! personalities, nitpics and eclat du jour be damned, it's choosing the lesser of two evils dem/repug party that matter now.

The biggest lies of the Bush administration

The Iraqi's will be happy to see us.

Bid Laden Dead or Alive

The bailout is for main street

sarah as "hot librarian" and "McCain is the creepy janitor "

Great picture. My fave of day so far.

Oregon Democrat talking about someone being predictable about their views. Now that's funny...

The market is sliding because the bailout has nothing to do with fixing the basic problems.

Friday's market did not slide.

"I didn't realize it was a senators job to stall talks when great progress has been made."

I think the progress was illusory.

So far as I can tell, House Republicans were not participants in the 'solution'. Although the Democrats may have had the votes to force passage of the 'solution', their leadership had already gone on record as saying passage would require a plurality of each party's members in each house.

I think he was on the right track doing heavy duty listening then going behind closed doors with the Republican Congressional leadership in an effort to craft an acceptable bill.

If that effort was successful, then I say he was part of the process in a positive way.

Real leaders don't have a problem giving the kudos to real team players.

products alert:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/sep/29/cadburyschweppes.china excerpts

"We believe it is appropriate to take a precautionary step to withdraw from the market all of our Cadbury chocolate products that have been manufactured in Beijing, pending further supply of fresh products," the Cadbury statement said.....

Two US manufacturers are already investigating Indonesian claims that high traces of melamine were found in Oreo wafers, M&Ms and Snickers imported from China.....

Kraft Foods and Mars said they were adhering to a recall order, but stressed that the same products had been cleared of melamine in other Asian countries."

Holy Crap! After the Couric interview, I must go on record to say that Palin has got to be the worst VP candidate in my lifetime. Makes Dan Quayle look like Stephen Hawking. Wow. GOP must want to lose.

yet you predicted between a 500-800 slide due to McCain

Paulson-Bush to Democrats and America: sucka!

You said it, sock. The Dems are completely worthless; hopefully they'll be a little less corrupt than the GOP, but I doubt it.

Dennis Kucinich on Democracy Now! points out Paulson still owns shares of Goldman, Sachs.

Conflict of interest, anyone?

Bailout = Greatest Heist in World History.

Your staff is probably as sick of reading these emails as I am of writing them.

But this issue is too important for me to be silent.

Despite the minimal oversight and protections added to Secy. Paulson's bill over the weekend, the whole deal still stinks to high heaven. Anyone who believes that the American taxpayer or the Treasury will ever see a dime of this money back is a fool. And even with the promise of a bailout, the markets are tanking today. So obviously, the professional money people don't think much of this "rescue" either.

There are also political factors to consider: it's going to be way too easy for the Republicans to drape the "Democratic bailout of Wall Street" sign around every Democrat's neck who's running for office this year. Do we really want to torpedo the only chance we have in this generation for decent government for all Americans? Over an insane outlay of funds that might not do any good?

Please vote "no" on this bailout. Throwing good money after bad is no solution to any problem. Throwing the money at the very people who brought us to this is simply insane.

"letters they get letters..."

here's the bbc's story on the recalls along with a link to map of effected countries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7641317.stm

bad timing this close to halloween

sorry, that's a-ffected

and posting this alert is more for our buddies like jason, et and friends in canada or travelling...
so far, that is

all chocoholics beware!

VJM

So 14 million people will have their taxes go up. Don't see any logical relationship between that and the number of illegal aliens, but logic isn't one of your major talents.

So if 14 million go up that means 286 million stay the same or go down. Sounds like pretty good odds for those who don't make more than five times the median household income.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-theatrical-misfire.html#comment-152024

flatus, let's hide and see if he takes credit (through surrogates, of course) for having done that - not that we know that is what he was doing. Call me a skeptic, but I don't believe he understands the crisis - he didn't see it coming even as it was happening and has suppported the policies that helped create this. His role would be leadership for leadership's sake, rather than leadership to move toward a reasoned solution. No thanks. As to the economy, McCain seems to have a "When you don't care where you're going, It doesn't matter what turns you take" approach that has led to a deregulated banking industry that the government has to bail out to the tune of almost a trillion bucks. That's leadership? I don't think so.

Now, that said, I'm not saying that Obama has done much more than McCain, but he at least hasn't gone to the Phil Gramm well for counsel, and if nothing else, that is a point for him. I don't think this has been a shining exaple of leadership for either candidate - the heavy lifting is being done by others.

Yes, it's all about "if we just believe banks are solvent, they will be! Clap your hands!"

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/29/four-never-never-land-provisions-in-the-new-bill/#more-32135

Paulson as Peter Pan
Does that make Bush Tink?

The recent bank failures and orderly takeovers and sales should give everyone pause as to why this bailout is necessary. It does nothing for the root causes of the problems.

And now we have to watch what chocolate we eat too?
Is nothing sacred?

The bail out as it exists now is still to top down for me, but it may be the best we can get. If nothing else, maybe it will serve as a warning to government officials that you cannot continue to cream profits off the top while forcing costs down on the bottom without breaking the economy.

The people who were speculating in real estate by buying and flipping shouldn't be bailed out, but how about the people foreclosed because of the 600,000 jobs lost or medical expenses or other matters out of the family's control. Wouldn't it be smart to give them a year to get their finances in order before depriving them of their one asset?

"And now we have to watch what chocolate we eat too?
Is nothing sacred?"

kgc, some sacred chocolate just for you:

http://www.chocolatedeities.com/deities.php

Reading up on the Citi/Wachovia transaction that was reported this morning, it actually bears a striking resemblance to the "completely bizarre and unworkable" proposal advanced by the House Republicans. To wit:

The FDIC said it had entered into a loss-sharing arrangement on a $312bn pool of loans with Citigroup. Citigroup will absorb up to $42bn of losses on the loans and the FDIC will be responsible for losses beyond that. In return for taking on that risk, Citigroup will give the FDIC $12bn in preferred stock and warrants.

So Wachovia has a pool of sketchy loans that are impaired in some fashion. Instead of just having the Feds buy these loans altogether, a private purchaser (Citi) is getting them at a bargain price, with their exposure capped at $42 billion so they can assign a solid value to the loans for accounting purposes. The FDIC has provided "insurance" by promising to eat any losses in excess of $42 billion, and in exchange, it receives $12 billion in Citi preferred stock and warrants.

Now, if I'm Mike Pence, I'm like "Isn't this the thing you just told me was a crazy idea? Why can't you use this transaction as the model for dealing with all the other impaired securities?"

patd

I guess there is something sacred after all. Thanks for the laugh on a not funny day.

Sock,

The markets are plunging not because of this bill, but because 7 countries were forced to either prop up or nationalize mortgage companies or banks in Europe.

They are saying that they caught America's cold...

Bill Maher is launching an effort to free Levi Johnson

http://www.freelevi.org/Real_Time_with_Bill_Maher.html

That is why I stand by my decission NOT TO VOTE!

Stay good all, going home, it is pouring in Amsterdam....

p.s: Can someone please free Nancy Pelosi, I constantly have the feeling that she will break with every step she makes. Please take this woman out of her misery.... :-)

Jamie

Owner occupied homes in trouble...Congress is singing this song

.Someday Never Comes.

First thing I remember was askin papa, why? ,
For there were many things I didnt know.
And daddy always smiled; took me by the hand,
Sayin, someday you'll understand.

Well, Im here to tell you now each and every mothers son
You better learn it fast; you better learn it young,
cause, someday never comes.

patd

Great site. Still chomping the head off the kuan Yin probably wouldn't get me too much mercy.

Some interpret this as a Palin endorsement of Hamas...I'm in a bit of pain so my cognitive reasoning isn't up to snuff so I haven't an opinion. Someone please read and offer help...

Thanks...

Pogo, "let's hide and see...". Yes let's.

I think Gramm is a class jerk. His father was a retired Army NCO. He and his wife were in that group of military retirees facing the monthly choice of which spouse was going to have prescriptions filled because there wasn't enough cash to take care of both.

Gramm conscientiously worked against providing the medical benefits that had been promised old soldiers. If it was up to him, judging by his votes, he would have dumped them in front of the Salvation Army.

All that said, he has credentials and represents a point of view held by a significant portion of the population. I would listen to him but do nothing beyond that.

The substantive part of the post has little to do with the debate and a lot to do with McCain's temperament and approach to crises, whcih has been questioned by such liberal voices as George Will. McCain did not acquit himself well.

Posted by: pogo

pogo,

I too found McC wanting in deportment but hope it is transitory and due to his youthful zeal.

regards, toast

Jamie

IMO, the best approach for distressed homeowners

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/29/11350/6228

Oh Craig, our fearless leader...

I felt this comment re: Obama truly summed it up:

" he seemed unflappable on stage." I truly saw that and I was impressed. I thought he might fold but no way. He answered every charge and was not in the least intimidated try as John McCain might.

Game, set match Obama!

Toast

"If I were immersed in a vat of liquid like a litmus strip, it would glaringly test positive for liberal Democrat"

If the above is true and you are still voting for McCain/Palin, something must have polluted the test sollution.

Posted by: Jamie

Jamie,

How clever of you to observe that the liquid was tainted and compromised, yet I cannot deny my apprehension that you are proselytizing the false ideal of like mindedness. Perhaps it will help if I tell you I am pro choice, believe in univ. h.c., social justice, and believe NYC is the center of the known universe, surely that implies some degree of liberalism? More interesting is your lack of credulity and by device or ennui, you seem to expunge or worse expurgate my concerns on security matters. Or do you suspect me of being a closet miscreant, of endangering the harmonics of the Democratic party, which makes me wonder why my disjointed little daubs cause you some vexation? Though curious, that was not my intent.

regards,
toast

From the previous blog where Ping Pong was talking about how we went to Iraq to help the Iraqi people... This was my response, but of course immediately NEW THREAD came through.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obama-wins-debate-by-barely-lo.html#comment-151954

maddow asmash hit' now thats wierd
could she be anymore obviously biased
for obama

Posted by: mqw | September 29, 2008 3:04 AM

Mqw, wierd is a wierd word because it's weird, not wierd. Even though the rule says i before e except after c, wierd is weird, not wierd, making weird a very weird word indeed...

For those who love online polls. The Wall Street Journal Washington blog has one on who won the debate so far 413,489 votes McCain 166,058 Obama 140,491 neither 106,940. So I guess that settles it McCain won the debate.

Yes, you can still vote so go for it IronMike, Topo, 11201 Saratoga Steve, and all the rest of you.
I was the 413,489 voter, and yes I only voted ONCE, I don' live in Chicago.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | September 29, 2008 3:31 AM

Oh come on.. The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper for right wingers. of course THEY will show that McInsane won...

jamie - Thanks for sending that Frank Rich article. I guess McCain's reasons for spazzing as the debate approached go a little deeper than my puffer fish analogy.

rr - McHootie the blowfish...oh, that made my day.

The biggest lies of the Bush administration

The Iraqi's will be happy to see us.

Bid Laden Dead or Alive

The bailout is for main street

Posted by: sock drawer open | September 29, 2008 10:22 AM

Right on brother, or sister... I don't know but RIGHT ON!

Holy Crap! After the Couric interview, I must go on record to say that Palin has got to be the worst VP candidate in my lifetime. Makes Dan Quayle look like Stephen Hawking. Wow. GOP must want to lose.

Posted by: champ | September 29, 2008 10:34 AM

CHAMP LOL... Dan Quayle as Stephen Hawking... heheheheheheheh

You said it, sock. The Dems are completely worthless; hopefully they'll be a little less corrupt than the GOP, but I doubt it.

Posted by: champ | September 29, 2008 10:45 AM

Champ they HAVE to be... When you have hit ROCK BOTTOM with the one party, the other has only one option and that's to go UP....

Swinging the Big Prick

House Republicans Right on the Bailout for all the Wrong Reasons

blistersyeahbutchannel

Swinging the Big Prick

House Republicans Right on the Bailout for all the Wrong Reasons

blistersyeahbutchannel

Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | September 29, 2008 12:27 PM

You know... that post is rude, but incredibly funny too ! :D I'd done for the day... bye all.

Nancy Pelosi on the floor on C-SPAN

Better than watching McCain rant on CNN or CSPAN

Gov. Eliot Spitzer's erie prediction on our current economic crisis, written Feb, 08!

"When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners, the Bush administration will not be judged favorably. The tale is still unfolding, but when the dust settles, it will be judged as a willing accomplice to the lenders who went to any lengths in their quest for profits. So willing, in fact, that it used the power of the federal government in an unprecedented assault on state legislatures, as well as on state attorneys general and anyone else on the side of consumers."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html

blistersyeahbutchannel....... I like your sense of humor......

as a fiber artist.... I feel totally inadequate to debate the economic bailout....
I've been listening to the Diane Rehm Show on NPR which has been doing this topic in depth for 4 out of the last 5 first hours of the show..... the only thing that there seems to be a consensus on is that there needs to be more oversight and transparency on WS.... whether the bailout is necessary or not is still up for debate......

if the so-called economic experts don't agree..... I don't know how the hell I'm suppose the know which end is up or down......

Doesn't anyone think it is at all impressive that McCain, who was in DC all week whatever his reasons and not holed up burning the midnight oil and cramming , was the one who was unflappable, intelligent and informed?

cat - In case jamie didn't post the Frank Rich article here...

"As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. “I have not had a chance to see it in writing,” he explained. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

...and, no, I don't think his shennanigans are impressive. Hubris tends to disgust more than impress. McCain's recent demeanor has taken care of Obama's elitism problem.

Cat,

Were he the unflappable one, I suspect he wouldn't have tried to postpone the debate to interject himself into an argument or negotiation that he had no direct connection too.

It was a further damning process when the Chairman and Republicans on the committee working on the problem basically said McCain was as useless as boobs on a bull during the negotiations.

I suspect if you wish to apply the mantra "Ignorance is bliss" then you could say he was unflappable, since he didn't read the plan for days after it was introduced.

Watching him last week made it easier to see how he graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the USNA. Good thing he had a government bailout to get him in there to begin with.

Alberto Gonzalez - the gift that just keeps giving.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/washington/30attorney.html?hp

Is it just me, or does the House seem to be taking an extraordinarily long time to vote on Paulson's Bush legacy attempted bailout bill?

Pogo,

Most of the right wingers are taking their tv time to come out against the plan and to try and offer an alternative to make it seem like the problem started after they lost control 2 years ago...

Obama will be in the Senate to cast a vote...McCain unsure if he will...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/obama-to-vote-on-bailout_n_130242.html

Cat, further proof that McCain's time in Washington last week was a stunt. If you're going to do all that and not cast a vote?

Catbalu, I actually watched the debate (I've avoided a lot of the tv appearances of the candidates, and Mrs. P kept coming in asking if I was still watching "those idiots") and it sounded to me like McCain giving his campaign utterances yet again, using Jim Lehrer as a catalyst, and little else. Did you hear something you haven't either heard on the evening news or read in the print media? I didn't.

Bear, that's pretty typical - it's sort of like Detroit and the electrical power lobby trying to convince me that carbon dioxide based climate change was caused by cow farts and the bronze, iron then steel industries before cars and coal fired power plants increased the carbon in the atmosphere to its current levels. Problem for the repugs is that they are the ones who pushed deregulation. Sort of a "you made your bed" situation.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-theatrical-misfire.html#comment-152087

Bear, it's been so long since McCain cast a vote, he has probably forgotten how.

One of my favorite lyricists that most people don't recognize even when they know the songs is Ervin Drake. I just came across a song that I didn't know about:

"I'm a card carrying bleeding heart liberal". It's a cute song. The You Tube is by a woman. It's okay but not as great a voice as the male download one available, so here are both.

You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od3c6zBXc6M

Download
http://www.ervindrake.com/lyrics/index.html

If Barack Obama is elected, are we destined to become an Orwellian police state?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/is-this-1984-missouri-public-officials-join-obamas-truth-squad/

•Line of the Week comes from singer Don Henley, courtesy of Steve Glinick: “A man with a briefcase can steal more money than a man with a gun.”

Wow, AC is quoting the same sites as GORDO...curious...

with regards to Orwellian stuff...after watching CNBC last night and seeing how there is special coding we can't see that ties color copies or digital photos to the specific camera or printer without us know it is alarming enough...

OUCH!!!

In today's Salon: John McCain: From the Liberal's Conservative to Flip Flopping Hack

http://www.salon.com/books/review/2008/09/29/mccain/

House Republican's just killed the bailout bill...get ready for the sky to fall...

Bear, Henley's had a hard-on for lawyers for decades. I recommend "End of the Innocence" . Goes great with Jackson Browne's "Lawyers in Love."

Was the line you quoted from "Little Tin God"?

... or was it from "Gimme What You've Got"?

Is McCain on his way back to DC

bear, so much for all that talk this morning about McCain's leadership - unless defeating the bill was what he had in mind. LOL

Bailout Bill may go down to defeat. Vote being held open. Arm Twisting in progress. As of now

207 yea 226 nay

Bill has failed.

Final vote 206 yea 227 nay

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-McCain.html

that first paragraph strikes me as ironic, considering that he couldn't be bothered to stay in DC and off the campaign trail long enought to actually vote on the Dumya legacy bailout measure, no? I understand he's returning to DC for the Senate roll call vote on the matter - maybe he's consulting with Palin about how he should vote on the measure? Of course now that his leadership in his party has resulted in the defeat of the measure in the House, he can stay out on the trail with the governor who protects us from Russia.

CBS News Erases Moderate Quotes from Palin Transcript
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2887-CBS-News-Erases-Moderate-Quotes-from-Palin-Transcript.html

"Monday, September 29, 2008

Let It Fail
If something really needs to be done, tell Paulson, the Republicans, and the Bush Dogs to eat shit and pass a bill Democrats can support.
...adding, most of the time when the clock is held over on House votes, only crazy CSPAN junkies notice. Now the entire universe of cable news watchers is getting a sense of what Pelosi's priorities are.
...failed, for now."
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_09_28_archive.html#876179303118261181

The Republicans own it.

Oh My Goodness

John Boehner just blamed Nancy P

NEW THREAD

Sturgeone; 11:58 am ......a previous thread ........"blackwater", Geez Sturge, I didn't know blackwater knew anything about protecting people, I thought it was just pipelines, etc.. Besides when he got off the plane in DC, he was surrounded by so much black they were tripping over each other, whether they had anything to do with water or not is yet to be discovered......................................................................

tonyb39; 7:13 am ...a previous thread........ Good luck in finding neutrality in the media. The msm is trying desperately to absolve itself for 2000 and 2004...........

I watched Tom Brokaw try to make Bill Clinton say that Obama was a "great man" as he has said about McCain in the past, for his service etc. If and when Obama is elected or placed by the electoral college, which is what it looks like Axlerod is after, and he does something significant with his tenure, then he might be considered a great man. Until then, he has done nothing to deserve the accolade. Poor old Tom Brokaw, msnbc has ruined everyone with their biased stance...............................................................................

Rita

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-theatrical-misfire.html#comment-152077

CatBalu...In a word, NO!

McCain was obviously grandstanding. He neither understands nor is fit to deal with the Wall Street bailout. As Craig Crawford rightly pointed out , "McCain's pre-debate drama was just plain silly and a pathetically hysterical attempt to dominate the campaign narrative for a couple of news cycles."

Besides, Wall Street (investment bankers, hedge-fund managers and the other "I got mine" suspects) didn't even notice McCain or anybody else. They were all busy partying in New York.

GALA GLITTERS AS WALL STREET SHATTERS

http://www.culturekiosque.com/opera/comment/met_gala_wall_street_crisis245.html

Hi,

Great thread - it’s refreshing to read so many insightful and/or amusing posts!!

I realise this is a little bit off-topic, but I need some help.

I’m with an online business TV network called yourBusinessChannel, and we’re looking to collect opinion on Obama and McCain’s performances as persuasive communicators during the debate on Friday.

Ask yourself - politics aside, who would you buy a used car off?

We’re looking for comments and contributions from people who have been following the 2008 campaign closely, who can offer really valuable insights. Clearly, there are many such people commenting on this thread, and elsewhere blogosphere).

A bit about us - yourBusinessChannel produces short internet business TV shows providing advice to business people and entrepreneurs on all aspects of business. Our shows feature advice and insights from a pool of the world’s leading business experts.

We’re interested in the 2008 presidential race because of what it tells us about the power of persuasion, and how to give a really amazing presentations.

Yesterday we posted this three minute summary of the first presidential debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD2DqHqK2Cw

We are currently producing a series which focuses on how to be really persuasive when making business and sales presentations.

Obama and McCain have very different styles, and it’s fascinating to watch what works with the public and what doesn’t. Clearly there are lessons here for businesspeople who have to prepare presentations in their professional lives.

I’ve been reading the comments thread on this blog and I’ve been impressed with the level of discussion here - so I’d love any or all of you to reply to this post with your views and opinions…

I want to know - in your opinion - which candidate:
- Had the most persuasive tone of voice?
- Made best use of body language?
- Seemed genuinely passionate about their message?
- Used humour to good effect?
- Showed total mastery of policy details?
- Rebutted his opponent most convincingly, and dealt best with criticism?
- Was relaxed and confident in making off the cuff comments?
- Avoided major faux pas and screw-ups?
- Came across as a real human being, not a robot regurgitating talking points?

…and why do you think so?

I’m looking forward to hearing your comments!!

cheers,

Steve Kerr
http://www.yourBusinessChannel.com