"The crisis that has seized Wall Street over the last few days caught the campaigns of both Barack Obama and John McCain flat-footed.
Neither man, as we wrote yesterday, has a demonstrated expertise on the issue and national polling shows that voters aren't sure whether Obama or McCain would do a better job in managing the economy as president.
So, with both campaigns scrambling to win the issue over the next few days, The Fix solicited the opinions of a handful of Republican and Democratic strategists, asking them what specifically they would advise their party's candidate to do in the short term to stake their claim to this critical issue." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/handling_the_economic_crisis_1.html?nav=rss_blog
The Fix offers its recommendations for each campaign.
When my property and house flooded, FEMA came house to house to write out damage claims and get people immediate aid. The Red Cross and others set up central locations were food, clothes etc were available.
The County moved quickly to get a lot of dumpsters in the area so clean up could begin.
The biggest problems were lack of information and getting the right information to people without power etc.
This should have been the point of attack after the nomination was clinched. Maybe this gaffe happened early enough to reclaim the higher ground in the campaign but I fear the electorate will rally around the party in power because they will buy the fundamentals being "American workers and resources"...
Never mind the fact that Republicans have been against improving the minimum wage or worker benefits...hey it sounds good at least...
Ronald Reagan is another example of an inarticulate man.
He could read a great speech since he was a very good actor.
He could deliver well prepared speeches with great punchlines.
But, like some other political figures, he was very inarticulate when speaking off the cuff. One of the big problems here was a significant lack of background and information about the issues.
Of course, the public is easily fooled by the smooth snakeoil salesman..
In Oregon's 5th Congressional District, Kurt Schraeder is the Democratic candidate to replace retiring Darlene Hooley.
A practicing animal doctor (vet.) he has a great commercial with dogs. Yesterday, two different people mentioned the dog ads to me in a very favorable light.
Obama can't move quickly enough on this to suit me, but he's doing fine. McCain is out of it...I am surprised Lieberman didn't call p. c. to say "...he just misspoke".
Tomorrow we'll know enough to tell if A.I.G. is going bankrupt.
Chaos unlike anything we've ever seen looms if A.I.G, goes the way of Lehman Bros.
uh-oh..."The company (A.I.G.)has hired the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges — which is also handling the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy — to draw up bankruptcy papers."---New York Times, right now...
The current economic crisis's ramification are so profound that the last thing we need are ad hoc 'solutions' from candidates muddying the waters.
This is a case for the technocrats to develop solutions that should be approved and implemented by our current batch of elected officials--as distasteful as that may be to almost all of us.
flatus, you are correct. Who knows what the economy will look like by January? And the opinions of the candidates are pretty predictable at this point - they should go on record only if they have something to say that is contrary to the party line they have been spouting as an approach to the economy for the past few months. The economy for then next 4 months is Bush's baby. He has to try and fix it if he can - and by him I mean the people in his Admin and their advisors who have a clue - I certainly don't mean him individually.
Here's an interesting bit of news re: Bob Barr - he failed to qualify for the WV ballots in Nov., and one of our fed judges threw out the lawsuit brought by his supporters to get him put on the ballot. Judge Copenhaver found "it was their lack of reasonable diligence that ultimately thwarted their effort" and that they "would have satisfied the two requirements had they commenced their efforts just two to three weeks earlier." Too bad.
Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina amended her comments from earlier today that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin could not run a major corporation like HP.
How? By saying that Sen. John McCain couldn’t run one either.
champ - I don't have time to get into it - other duties call. The president's two primary responsibilities are the economy and the nation's security. Damage may have been done, but that doesn't mean that the president can turn a blind eye to the economy that his policies in some measure serve as the foundation of. It's true enough that he can't directly cure all or even most of the economy's ills, at least in the short term, but whether the problems are the result of the failure of his policies as I contend or external forces over which he had little control, he can encourage action by the Fed and other arms of the government to restore confidence in the markets - at a minimum. He tried one stimulus package that wsa too little, and probably too late. I hope he's considering some other approach.
The Fed's part of the problem, pogo. Their monkeying with money supply has created a self-sustaining hyper-inflation that they continue to exacerbate with every rate cut. We'll all be "Turkish millionaires" soon if they keep it up, and you want them to do MORE?
Hi UB,
Just lurking and listening (TV) to the news in the background.
And heard wolf's teaser about Pailin. Thought there was a good joke in that one. lol
She[Fiornina] caused controversy when she said health plans should pay for birth control if they pay for Viagra, a position that is at odds with McCain's.
everyday this GE campaign provides something to laugh about....SNL.... will be having arguments as to what skits to do....they have a wealth a material , and it's only Tuesday!
I've tried to be careful with my comments about Palin...I find that I have the same problem now as I did after going to Mardi Gras in New Orleans ten years ago.
After I got back from N.O. it took me a good three weeks to realize that women weren't going to flash me or get naked or offer sex just to get the set of 99 cent beads around my neck...
I can't help but think that Palin is the political equivalent of that notion, but I'm still waiting to see how things sort out to properly articulate it...
this is the right one....where she's say she doesn't think John McCain could run a major corporation....it's cut off at the end...I wonder how she explained her statement?
Last weekend while at a birthday party I was talking with a nephew that told me that spanish language tv news, beat all their US counter parts, I thought about it, and this might be true if the non-Latinos are on the net more than the Latinos,yes no?
In any case Obama should poke his head in their house once in awhile, and say que pasa.
The Milgram experiment was a seminal series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]
The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiments to answer this question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[3]
Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:
The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.
Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]
interesting experiment about who among us would make good nazis.
Before conducting the experiment, Milgram polled fourteen Yale University senior-year psychology majors as to what they thought would be the results. All of the poll respondents believed that only a few (average 1.2%) would be prepared to inflict the maximum voltage. Milgram also informally polled his colleagues and found that they, too, believed very few subjects would progress beyond a very strong shock.[1]
In Milgram's first set of experiments, 65 percent (26 of 40)[1] of experiment participants administered the experiment's final 450-volt shock, though many were very uncomfortable doing so; at some point, every participant paused and questioned the experiment, some said they would refund the money they were paid for participating in the experiment. No participant steadfastly refused to administer shocks before the 300-volt level.[1]
Obama does have an active Latino Campaign going too. I was in Portland a week ago. While driving through an area that was mainly latino....there in the midst of a very active shopping center was an Obama campaign office with everything in Spanish and a big "Si Se Puede" sign on it.
Obama's supporters step on his message
Obama gives a speech on the economy but all the talk is about dumb irrelevant stories about Palin http://dailyhowler.com/dh091608.shtml
No, that's not what i wrote, he should say something to them himself-a little personal touch goes a long way, unless he thinks their votes are in the bag, Bush did pretty good last time around with them.
While I can understand that the vitamin E? D? you get from the sun is needed when you have long term darkness up there, how do you claim to be the average person, when you have a tanning bed in the governor's mansion?
"The National Organization for Women (NOW) said Tuesday it had been pushed by the Republicans pick of Sarah Palin as vice presidential nominee to back Democrat Barack Obama for the White House."
Bear, If you suffered from SAD and many Alaskans do, the tanning bed would come in handy. Apparently salons that offer the service to the general public do a bang up business in the winter.
Now don't stay in there too long. I might take you a little longer, but you can get a nasty sunburn.
Hey guys, I just made I big Obama sign for my office window....lol...I got a thumbs up from someone in the parking lot....may make another one (maybe Biden) since I have a corner office.....hope building rules permit this.
here's how : 700 point : font Stencil
each letter fits an 8. 5 x11
then put on poster board : )
Bear I thought that same thought, I see how this would be an awesome event to attend...and Cindy would most likely like to go....but she can't, she could afford it, but she can't go.....
Which makes him/her even more of an idiot for insulting me without evidence of any kind or even the courtesy of checking out what I had posted.
That particular "jump to conclusions, hang first hold trial later" mentality indicates someone who has no powers of logical analysis or insight at all and can therefor be ignored completely.
Shelia,
Great effort.....and thank you for making the effort. I think there will always be some just have absolutely no intention, or desire to build bridges.....maybe they aren't comfortable with it or maybe the harbor grudges...I have no idea.....just know that your efforts are appreciated.... : )
After reports that the Michigan Republican party planned to challenge voters whose homes had been foreclosed, thirteen senators have petitioned Attorney General Michael Mukasey to ensure that such voters would not be harassed or intimidated at their polling places.
Jack
Yes, much worse has been said to Jamie,Patsi and other woman here and all it took was being a Hillary supporters!! Oh and not worshiping at the feet of "The One".....
-Why if you dislike someone do you ask about their personal life....oh a jab....or do you really care....My god, do you remember every little detail of the lives of those you dislike? how weird ids that?
The moronic musings of the ignorant are premised on the idea that everyone is as stupid and ill informed as they are.
They are always Shocked! Shocked! when facts come into play and they are wrong.
McCain called this project "Pork" and now it may make it possible to allow drilling. Sometimes doing the right thing can work out in spite of no nothings whose knees jerk instead of letting their brains work.
I don't care for either candidate but will take no chances on whether a democratic senate will accept a pro-life scotus nomination. I will vote for Obama and hope congress will make him behave - that's a less dangerous risk than hoping for a balanced scotus.
Can you imagine a 7 to 2 split on the court, or even a 6 to 3 split, all of them young enough to serve for 20 to 30 years or longer? That's a nightmare waiting to happen and Hillary Clinton has been saying it since she started her campaign.
Just think, 30 years of scotus rulings favoring corporations and churches and rich people. shudder.
I'm only goig to say this once too. I am blown away at your hatred too.
I honestly have cared about you for a very long time and have tried to understand the hit and runs that you make.
I never would have thought that you would treat me this way. But now? You ALL have taught me a lot of about character. Wow....
So, I won't ever try to engage you in conversation ever again....Just get over yourself too. This passive aggressive crap does nothing but injure you in the end.
You know what I find amazing?
Obama spent $8 million for advertising in Florida compared to McCain spending nothing and he has lost it. A state that Al Gore won imo. McCain has been treating Florida like it is solid red and it looks like it is. BTW that doesn't count all the money he has spent opening up 50 offices and hiring 350 staff for them.
Not sure what you're referencing but I think he has a chance; a long row though. I'll be pleasantly surprised because I'm not sure A-meery-cans are ready for a black guy. I use to think a woman (Hillary) would have a tougher ride but I'm not so sure anymore.
1. Jack, thanks for the Head East link...I always wondered who did this song...
2. Ping Pong,..perhaps it had been a while since we chatted but I don't remember you being a Republican. Has it always been this way or is it more an anti Obama thing?
3. Animal Control...if you reread the thread, you will see that I interjected the porn reference with this post...http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146064
It seems that if Sarah Palin is trying to play victim in the same way Clarence Thomas did when the Anita Hill, he made her watch porn thing, hit the airwaves...
Like I said....some people hold grudges....they drink the poison by holding onto negative and hurtful energy, meanwhile whoever they are angered at, goes about living their life.....grudges are a good for nothing waste of time.
If you don't like something stay away from it, if you want something to change make the effort........to change it.
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To change the world start with one step, -Dave Mathews
{rant} Dorgan & Hoyer just spoke out on the Senate floor about the deplorable economy and Bush and McBush and no oversight and no regulations. This is good.
But where the hell has everyone been for the past 5 years, at least? I'm no economist, but I've been saying the economy is falling apart. And now the house of cards is falling.
I don't want to be an economist or politician, but I want the jerks I vote for to be political and reign in the deregulated economy.
Would somebody somewhere show some leadership already?????{/rant}
Douglas Holtz-Eakin said, "Telecommunications of the United States, the premiere innovation in the past 15 years, comes right through the Commerce Committee. So you're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create," Holtz-Eakin said. "And that's what he did. He both regulated and deregulated the industry."
Sturge
lol
What can I say. As you know, trash is and trolls troll.
Beside that,
For a long time I've said this election is going to be about Ohio. If things keep going as they are forget that. That leaves a must win for Obama in Colorado and New Mexico.
He can win but it would be nice to see him helping himself some. Like run a few positive ads while people are undecided and listening maybe.
It is about time to end this experiment, you are down to a handful of people that post and they are not interested in an exchange of ideas, just put downs.
Obviously you don't know what a real neighborhood is like. They go down, they get better, they breath just like a living thing.
Well, this blog more than others is a neighborhood. Get use to it and maybe you will keep your name next time when you understand finally that your part of it too. ;0)
Yeah...plus, once ownership moves to another country, those jobs will be at risk.....selling the jobs away.....his own wife....8 houses...McSame is clueless. freaking clueless.
Obviously, rarely do they get better until a there is someone willing to come in and clean up the crap that has been tossed everywhere, sort of like what Rudi did with NYC after Dinkins failure.
better yet, Pull the plug, perhaps an in blog poll of members present and past who can be located as to what one poster is the cause of the most trouble and nastiness on this blog.....
If it's me, I'll happily post no more.........
just setting a few things straight and defending the neighborhood for Craig Crawford.
Afterall, he did a great job of setting this place up and he's had a lot of dedication keeping it going against all odds. The least we can do is give Craig what he wants.
I great conversation and a lot of involved participants.
You can to if you will just keep your name and take part! ;0)
I notice the critics who constantly change their aliases don't care enough about this place to be themselves.
I may not have a love fest going with everyone from the Obama/Clinton wars, but at least they have the decency to speak for themselves as themselves. That makes it possible to reach detent if not perfect peace.
I am not passive aggressive. Unfortunately or otherwise, this is really who I am.
Second of all, you will get use to me too or you won't. But you are a part of this neighborhood too. I am just coming back after a time away. Get to know me, you might find that you like my views.
The funny part about this is, I like both of those men very much. We actually had history.
You guys ever hear of etiquette? Freedom of speech is one thing, but when you realize that you and your 'friends' have monopolized the conversation for, hmmm, let's see here, 3 days straight, can't you take a step back and give others a chance to participate? Is that too much to ask? Of course it is. Because you guys are Nazis.
Yeah, thugs. You troll the forum all damn day, exchanging triviality, and then when someone dares to post anything that you perceive threatens your agenda, you gang up on them, belittle them, until they wisely just stop participating. Thugs.
1. Knotheads are those who regularly spew venom at posters.
2. Avoid reading their posts whenever possible.
3. Avoid reading posts that respond to knotheads.
I have four on my list. Occasionally a post slips through. I tend to be more bemused than anything else when their predictable diatribes slip through the Ignore the Knotheads net.
I would like to point out that I am one who tends to post at night, mostly because I am on the west coast. I've seen some pretty lousy things said in the morning posts as well as later. I don't see much difference between the 2 times, and I don't think I have ever resorted to name calling altho I have stood up for some who have been picked on in my opinion.
I also would love to be able to read all the posts - the other night I skipped at least half.
But I don't know that it can be helped. I will stay here as long as possible, but if I have to skip most of the posts it's a waste of time.
BOTH SIDES and ALL SIDES have gone too far so anyone who wants to blame either is going too far again. I like hearing what others have to say, but not what they think of the rest of this group. It seems some people just want to fight and insult and I don't think it is possible to curb them, aside from it's being
contrary to the very purpose of this blog.
I don't understand the desire to bring the BC back into the fold if all we do is fight and tell others to leave, but it does add more thoughts and communication.There are maybe 5 or 6 here who are requirements for me - if they leave, I'll really hate it.
Will it help to make a list of things that are over the line?
Perhaps references/attacks on/against sexual orientation...intelligence...ability to tolerate...integrity....
taking offence at others' comments...basic humanity.
Those are the most egregious of the types of things I've seen here, especially lately, and I really believe the people who posted them DON'T really believe what they say. Everybody here is basically decent, but so many can't stop snapping back.
I suppose someone will think I sound like a moralistic lecturer, but plenty of thers have put in their thoughts and I want to as well.
Champ, why don't you take part or start a conversation yourself. It is a freedom of speech thing. No one is drowning you out.
I just have nothing to say about your anger.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM
I've tried to start conversations... they are lost among the BC thugs' riveting discussions of Chris Matthew's Hardball and tanning beds, among other stupid crap.
Oh, thanks again for yet another wonderful example of passive aggression.
She[Fiornina] caused controversy when she said health plans should pay for birth control if they pay for Viagra, a position that is at odds with McCain's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA
unlikely_burrito | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM
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Now I DO agree with that .. all the women in my family have had to go on Birth Control pills at one time or another in their life ...
For REAL medical purpose it was made for, to help regulate menstruation, birth control was a side affect ... it's doesn't make sense not to cover them ...
yeah, I know the agrument, "it will make girls have sex sooner & more often" ....
The thing is, girls, if they're going to have sex, will do it with or w/o the pil .. but this way, at least there won't be any unwanted babies ... JMHO
Yeah, I tried to discuss the economic crisis today and discuss the Fed's role in it, but it went nowhere. You must have been busy making Obama signs on company time with company supplies and missed it. Don't blame me.
I actually became fond of Shelia when she was the really long name....it made me laugh....we were on different sides of the political fence at the time..... it broke the ice so to speak, but I really never thought there was any ice, and in the beginning I couldn't keep anyone straight....kind of like now.....
I lurked here for over a year, and you scared me, I thought you were a real nun,like one of the nun's i had. She could sound so nice one moment, and then pow,right in the kisser,I knew you sounded familiar the way you picked a cpl.things apart i was trying to say, your are good because I didn't understand myself, after you told me what i intended to say. , are you giving classes,some of the others are almost as good,and no i don't want to enroll in one.
I've always known that Obama is full of hot air. I was surprised at the degree of misrepresentation cited on CNN, particularly the Obama ad about McCain voting to cut education funding. That ad was a simple like with four of the five votes represented on the screen misrepresented.
Everyone makes a mistake once in awhile, but it is clear that these two weak candidates have decided to lie their way to the White House.
Jeffery Toobin followed up with his usual "I love Barack" rant..I wonder when he gets his check from the campaign.
Bethy,
Thank you for taking the time to say what you think.....I think you are spot on....but sometimes the reality is lost when a few people who would rather belittle.
Maybe there are different "styles" depending on time of day, I agree with you here, but not much else...today was a huge day of political mis-steps....and at the same time economic melt-down....seems people could forget their anger for a while.
"Jeffery Toobin followed up with his usual "I love Barack" rant..I wonder when he gets his check from the campaign"
Although I attribute it to general "suck up to the host stuff." I saw Toobin on with Lou Dobbs and I thought they were going to lynch an illegal immigrant as part of the segment. It's like he will say anything to be a pundit.
The Obama media has been in a tizzy over the disrespect from McCain. It will be hard for them to keep their tizzy all frothed up because Obama is as big a liar as McCain.
Yep UB is real nice, after she misread, one of my post, and Jack tried to tell her about it, she posted that she had the means to find me and take care of me,or something very close to this.
Good evening all! Was pleased to cast my vote for O'Reilly today. Kerry has totally lost my vote, something I never thought I would say. Twilight zone again!
Solar....you know what...I have been attacked here very violently...so yeah I made a mistake. I don't know who you are and I don't know what you know about me....so forgive me for making a statement to let someone know, not to mess with me.
If you knew more about me and my family you might understand. end of subject.
...and she has "the means to do it" too, Solar! OOOOHHHHH! You have the mentality of a 3rd grader, UB. "I'm going to get my dad, then you'll be sorry"! Puh-leeze.
Lol Thank you I think. lol Oh man, no not a NUN. Though that was the joke between Patsi and I. ;0)
Your are a great person. I hope you and I get to know each other more. I'm sure now that the serious angst is just about over and I've grown a "Set" for a girl, I will be calmer and better. lol
I'll tell you,like I told Sheila, while lurking here for a year I thought what a wonderful place this blog is, I did get to know you a little and liked you very much, if i remember you have a few dogs, a son, or doughter that you made them sound very nice. I remember you trying to understand black people, you did not live near them, at that time Jack talked to about them because of where he lives, sorry if some details are wrong,
mccain says he'll appoint a "9/11 commission" to look at banking. Too look at banking ???
Hmmm. It is 7 years after 9/11, and many of the "9/11 commission's" suggestions are still in the planning stages. Or worse, they were shelved as not providing opportunities to make a buck or opportunities for bush to increase his republican totalitarianism.
Too bad Ken Lay and Charles Keating aren't around to staff that commission. I guess mccain will have to settle for neil bush and jack abramov.
mccheney is merely blathering the same tired old republican bushit.
Champ has been complaining about posters making comments devoid of good sense or judgment and now he is the main one making "foolish remarks". It is time to wear your hypocrite hat and sit in the corner.
UB
Thanks for the offer I accept, now extend that other hand to all the friends,that you can still have around, do it now,or you are going to be fighting all the time with everyone, do it now or come out swinging, but the principles that you have, the ideas that you have Iv'e seen some like said.
Hey Bear,
I have never voted a straight ticket - go by choice, and yes I would say I would be a middle of the road and values are closer to traditional Republican. However was rasied working on some Dem campaigns - Code for Craig - Working at the BROWN COW
Last night it was $75 bil A.I.G. needed..now it's $85 bil a DAY later...and the Fed just gave it to them for an 80% stake.
This is what Bush de-regulation has done. It's all so A.I.G. can try to un-fuck themselves.
Extraordinary !! Unbelievable.
Solar,
there could be hope for us.....2 sons btw.....but I know nothing of you.......so maybe you can understand that when someone out of the blue tells you to watch your back, it's a bit un-settling.......especially with all the name switching.
Oh and by the way,
The FUNDAMENTALS of OUR ECONOMY ARE STRONG !! This is no Gaffe - and I guess my point earlier in the blog got lost with the anger, frustration, rude self center comments.
Stop and Listen and you may hear something of value
I just got an email with some great pix of the alaska rally against Palin. If you haven't seen the signs up close but want to, tell me how to post an email here.
Shame on me....WOW...I guess I better track it down and reread, that was my honest memory......I guess either I was just set up -or there is a huge mis-understanding....
Flatus..I'm in regular contact with several of the Clinton volunteers.
Most of them are very conflicted. Most were going to write in Hillary when it was thought that Oregon was a sure Blue state...but McCain is gaining here and in Washington state.
I can speak only for myself. If Oregon appears close I will probably vote for Biden with Obama along for the ride. If it is a sure Blue victory here, I will write in Hillary.
As I am typing this message, CNN showed again part of Hillary's discussion of the economy with Diane Sawyer this morning.
One reaction that is seldom discussed in the media, is that the more we see Hillary, the angrier her supporters get at the stupid selection of a lightweight like Obama who makes what should be a victory, very precarious.
The volunteers I know haqve stopped any donations to the DNC and the other Obama flacks.
Re: Discussion above about ourselves. For the record, I view the comments section of this blog as an organism that shifts shapes according to primal laws of nature. I don’t get involved in any offsite efforts to shape discussion, or direct who comes or who goes. Whatever I’ve got to say, I say it right here. I do prefer reasonably civil dialogue, and think I’ve made that quite clear many times. Beyond that, my only job is to create the daily columns and videos that I am paid to do. I am not paid to monitor or direct the comments section. But I do stay involved because I enjoy the vigorous debates and sense of community we’ve created. When the comments section descends into mindless chaos or childish tantrums, I am sorry about it, but I keep doing my job, hopeful that, as always seems to happen, soon we will shift shapes again and the comments will be worth reading.
"McCain" is running an inept campaign, the economy is in the toilet, to say nothing else of the last 8 years of utter incompetence of the same brand. If the "Obama" can't win this election, they just need to dissolve the Democratic party and start from scratch, or concede on a wedge issue like abortion.
Where is Barack tonight? How much to join the dinner ? Make sure he is careful before he departs and he keeps his arrogant comments to the private party - we do not need any more clinger comments.
Viv, Rita and all the rest who are recovering from Ike. Karolenna is in the same predicament and doing better. Man you guys went through a lot!
K said there were 75 mile an hour winds and no rain went Ike went through her part of Ohio. lost os tress down and not a lot of people without power.
Has anyone seen DEX?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:36 PM
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Sheila, I was wondering about Karolenna, since I knew she lived in Ohio .. the winds were nothing like I've ever experienced before, I heard ours were around what Ohio got .. .. Ky was lucky, only 1 death .. Ohio has 4, that I know of ... sad, so sad ... there's still a lot of people w/o power tonight .. Duke Energy said they're working as fast as possible .. recalled all their crews who went to Tx & NC to help out ...
OH ... I wanted to share something I heard at my Doctor's office, might give ya smile... !:^D ... as Doc. Cook was walking me out, we passed a boy about 5 or 6 & a girl around 3, the boy was busy telling the nurse all about his power being out at his house & how they ruined his school & he couldn't go & he was sad ...
After we past them, Doc asked, "did he say he was sad about not going to school?, kind of chuckling ... I told him at that age alot of kids love school .. my daughter was the same , it was college that made her hate it ...
Oh, she FINALLY gradurated from college this past spring ... was on the Dean's list w/ a 4.0 the last semester ... now, she's saving for Writers School she wants to go to in NY ..
Also probably important to note that when my earlier blog morphed into this one, it represented a mixing of my professional and personal selves. Previously, I wrote columns for a living and maintained a separate personal blog on the side. Combining the two has meant tradeoffs, which I still wrestle with. But the technical challenges of maintaining a high-traffic blog was more than I could handle on my own. And overall I am so thankful to CQ for rescuing us and efficiently keeping us online (which, as some of you might recall, i was not doing so well). Still, I am eager to maintain the powerful sense of community we had with crawfordslist and will always be striving toward that. Thanks to all who help make it so.
Viv ,
They also need condoms for protection, did you know that that aids rate in Washington DC is 10%...it's a huge problem
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | September 16, 2008 9:15
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UB .. My Bad, ment to say that ... when I found out my son was sexuaally active, I bought his condoms ... only we didn't know at the time that he'd already fathered a child ...
My only grandson, Shawn, ( who is for BO all the way, lol) who turned 17 last Feb ... his Momwell, won't go into that, she signed Shawn over to my son when he was 6 & he's been with us ever since ... when Shawn was around 11, my son was finally able to buy his house & they've been happy ever since ... so , Yes, condoms are very important ... thanks for reminding me ..
lol Viv...that's life.....we bought condoms really early, told all the kids.... that they had to use them....they looked at us like we were crazy.....maybe a tad bit too early....lol....
You are lucky to have Shawn in your life...children are so wonderful...they have a great way of looking at things. :0
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM
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I agree .. I should have talked to my son sooner, maybe it would have made a difference .. but thwen, I wouldn't have Shawn .. my daughter was young, since had to talk to her when she started .. which in my family has always been around 8 or 9 .. yes, pretty early to hear about the birds & the bees, but it had to be done ...
Posted by: Craig Crawford | September 16, 2008 10:15 PM
Craigster - I am very proud to be a part of Crawfordslist and find this as a great escape into another very real world.
Thanks for making it happen -- and to CQ also
Posted by: Ping Pong | September 16, 2008 10:18
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Me too!!! My family is sooo sick of me talking about the GE .. this is the only place I can .. though, I find by time i read the post, most have already posted what I was thinking too, so only get a few opinion on Politics in, lol
You sound like me. A great mom who cares deeply for her child and Shawn sounds like a blessing.
We are not perfect but we try. The blessing is not in the mistake, but in the way our children made it into a blessing. Good Kids make great parents and it all relfects on you.
Just watching CNN on Obama's voter registration efforts. It shows them hanging around a gas station and walking around a neighborhood cold calling. It didn't seem like an efficient method to me. A lot of money for little results.
Question - in fact I have called my Congress People as I am Irate.
What right does the Federal Government have to block health care and Patient information on my 15 year old daughter from me? This is BS - and well known among this age group.
Why build a system that strips parents rights? I am responsible for her? Both as a parent for all matters, and besides who is paying the bill? Is the Fed going to take that over?
This is such BS and I want to make it an explosive issue as it is core to a values system that is so wrong and harmful to our country
just what I've always suspected this year, no place for me. I kept looking for the none of the above button. I would read each statement and say "what a crock"
PP,
As I recall if shes gives you permission you can see the records.
I remember my wife being upset that she couldn't be in the CCU with me with my doctor without my permission.
Rezdog, Yes and she signed a release so we have access, But for some this system created by the PC Federal Government has created a dark hole for children to hide from the parents and keep parents from doing the right thing.
This must change - this is no business of any law to take away a parents rights and more importantly RESPONSIBILITY.
Champ I have no idea why you have made it your mission today to cause as much dissention and anger as you can drum up, but the act is getting really really old.
Solar Crete, UB and I have had our differences at time, but she is a decent person. Don't let troublemakers like Champ color your view of others.
We are genuinely working on trying to reestablish the neighborhood that this place was before primary season. A little cooperation towards that goal would be appreciated.
Do you agree that I should not have to get a childs permission? I am the parent / legal guardian / pay the bills........ I can see at 18 years old or 21 or if I was not legal custody....
Now the hammer - which candidate to you think supports the loss of the parents rights?
That is something I don't like either. I would would want to know. But the government is not able to make exceptions at this point. And that is Incest. I would want anychild to go and take care of a problem like that if they couldn't go to the authorities.
I personally know a woman who fought her father and finally had him put away for incest. By the time she had taken care of him, other family members had been raped and children taken from their mothers and it was a mess because her husband left her too.
She had an abortion. These children are really screwed up in the head and in their heart. its a mess. So, when I say the govenement is not able to make exceptions, its because of these children.
It makes sense that a parent should be able to access the medical records for the minor child with whom they have custody. I don't remember the debate about minor's privacy rights. I know there was one but I wasn't paying attention.
I forced myself to choose on all the questions, but there were a few where I had the same reaction ... neither of these answers is worth the pixels used to transmit them.
Chef Sheila - I agree in that case and the child must be protected and the criminal must be taken away. I to sadly know of a situation.
This must be the exception -
I will come back in a few weeks with more comments after I speak with Dem Bill Nelsons office and Mel Martinez. -- also a littl study to correlate possible impacts.
I just got 3 or 4 in and then I just started clicking on the left one Most of the statements were easy to spot althought the last 5or 6 I'm not even sure I read them.
Sheila has done nothing but call me names since she has "come back". I have been very careful to only talk issues if I direct a comment to her. So no I don't believe she is one of the ones trying.
Jack, Thats just not true. Stop calling me one of the minions and stop implying that I am one of the evil ones. Stop impying and digging that I am stupid.
I said before I have cared about you in the past. That can still be true. But stop the prejudice.
And Jamie understands me. She knows I would never attack without provocation first. So please don't do this. Just get past it and move on.
Viv
I post Sept 16, 1:39 p,m. last thread.
I think it will help you feel better, and ease you pain.
Posted by: SolarCrete | September 16, 2008 10:21
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Solar .... I love juice & all of the veggie's/fruit you mentioned ... been wanting to get one of those Juicers, just not gotten around it ... I like to mix them .. Apple & orange, is good but have to drink in moderation,, since orange is high in natural sugars ... I also like to take juice & mix with sugar free koolaid ... like pinapple juice & raseberry koolaid, yummy ...
But am not a Tequila person at all ... more of a Bud light or Sloe Gin ... lol
Obama has basically proved that he doesn't get the problem..
He offers a laundrylist of special interest tax breaks and pay offs. He then calls it economic policy.
We are having a crises of faith in our economic system.
Capital and money are now moble and they move quickly out of places that are deemed dangerous. No amount of money from the federal treasury can overcome this out flow.
We are a credit using nation, the smart use of credit is what keeps us ahead. With out it we can't survive as the nation we want to be.
The first thing we need to do is assure the world that Americans pay their debt. If this crises continues we will lose our good reputation. and our credit rating
Thanks so much. This has been a great evening and I'm sure this will get nothing bu beter from here on in.
I have to watch get ready to watch Saving Grace soon. Jamie have you gotten into the new one on Monday night yet? I'm pretty sad Closer is over for the season.
We need to pay down the deficit and we are still fighting two wars. So increasing taxes is not about redistribution of wealth - it is about real need.
By increasing taxes on the rich - we can decrease the burden on the lower and middle class. The lower and middle class is strapped. And when they fall on tough times - they start not paying bills - e.g., rise in foreclosures. The pain trickles up.
When you increase taxes 2-3% on the super rich - they still purchase $600 Jimmy Choos and blow cash on cocaine and hookers.
Also - when I was working in NYC over the past 5 years - salaries for many of those that would be affected by Obama's tax cuts rose by way more than 2-3%. The same cannot be said for most lower and middle class jobs - assuming they still exist.
We are not perfect but we try. The blessing is not in the mistake, but in the way our children made it into a blessing. Good Kids make great parents and it all relfects on you.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
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Well Sheila ... I know I'm blessed ... even w/all the health problems .. when I couldn't work anymore .. both of my kids stepped right up to the plate & took care of me ,,,, for 5 long years, they paid for everything, meds, bills, clothes & even took me out regularly to dinner ...
when ever I whined about them doing it, my son & daughter would tell me to shut up!! tell me I'm not a burden, I'm their Mom ... it's also brought us a lot closer ... we don't ever hang up the phone until we say "love you" & they always give me lots of hugs ... which we all know that's helps to lift your spirits so much ...
Been watching what I can't see on "On Demand" my savior for it all. I watch that new BBCA show about a rift between Dinosaurland and now on "On Demand" ;0)
Was the last Grace last week? Where Ham told her to get away? He was going to ask for a new partner?
How about just declaring a truce ... or do you just want to go on with the "late unpleasantness" like some old Confederate playing sniper in the hills.
All we have asked is that you take a step back and give it a try.
Speaking of GOP's policies that have gotten us into the current mess...
"Was Jimmy Carter Right?" (from 2005)
"Carter faced a crisis from a combination of economic problems, failed policies of his predecessors and, finally, an Iranian revolution that cut access to some Middle Eastern oil.
Carter met the problems by starting sweeping oil-reduction reforms, including creation of the Cabinet-level Department of Energy.
He began spending millions of dollars researching alternative sources for electrical power, including solar power. He got utilities to cut their use of oil for electricity and ramp up their use of natural gas or coal.
"Up until Carter, we were getting about 20 percent of our electricity from oil generation," said Jay Hakes, director of the Energy Information Administration under Carter and an authority on modern presidents and oil. "And post-Carter, it went down to about 3 percent."
Carter insisted that U.S. automakers build more fuel-efficient cars, with a goal of 27.5 miles per gallon over the following decade - a requirement passed under Gerald Ford but put into force by Carter.
He offered incentives for getting oil from shale, creating a boom initially in the Rockies - and a bust when it failed to be cost-effective. He offered deductions for using solar water heaters in homes and commercial buildings.
. . .
Then Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan in 1980. The solar panels at the White House eventually came down - and Reagan and his aides gutted the solar research program."
Sheila: Ike turned N'East and , for us, combined with a storm cell that moved over from Illinois, and we had light winds and a lot of rain for three days, lots of flooding in the flood plains but we are never affected by that where we live.
Chicago set a record Saturday at O'Hare with some ridiculous total of like 6.18 inches of rain in one day...whatever it was, it blew away the old record easily.
Galveston's beach areas are a toxic, fish-killing stew of poison and destruction...it's awful.
Yes, it's me...after a power outage during a computer session fried my computer, I had to get the disks out and re-install ack tofactory settings, and TypeKey gave me more problems than anything in the re-installation process...would NOT let me call myself "Dexter" any longer so I used "DexterJohnson", a name I use elsewhere...I call everybody "Johnson"...it started when LBJ was POTUS and I was a kid going door-to-door "gettin' out the vote" with an LBJ pin on my chest.
Jack
Very interesting.I get the sense here in Central Florida that its going to be tough for Obama! I only see McCain/Palin yard signs,I've seen some Obama bumper stickers though.In my circle of business clients, acquaintances and friends at my local gym its overwhelmingly McCain, especially since he chose Palin....Maybe South Florida ,which tends to be overwhelmingly Democratic will carry the state for Obama?
I know I am wasting my breath here. But I want Champ and Jack and a few others to know I understand what they're saying, I support them and I'm sorry they were mistreated. If you don't like that and want to turn my motives into something selfish and self serving, I don't care. I stopped caring about that a while back. There's nothing you can say that will make me feel bad.
If you're a Democrat and you prefer wine over beer, you are an "elitist." If you're a Republican and you prefer a beer heiress over your first wife, you are a "committed family man."
Hey Chloe
Looked for you this morning,my friends and I are in withdrawal not having all those wonderful links you provide to us.A Big pat on the back from me and my friends!! HA HA
Believe me Warren. I'm different. Because I care. I listen. I empathize. I feel. I like you Warren, I pay attention. This had nothing to do with you. You make sense. I'm not sure why you chose to challenge how I felt about this. It shouldn't matter to you. But this was not about me. I see this as good vs. evil. That's how I see life.
That wasn't condescension.
I was talking to those who see it the way I see it.
I was talking to those who would know what I meant.
I don't have an arrogant, condescending bone in my body.
Well, thanks Chloe, though I doubt those two want to be associated with me, and quite frankly I don't blame them. I don't regret anything I've said, either. I could write much more, but there's no point. Hope you're doing well down there; keep your eyes sharp.
Chloe
Same here!! You are never offending!! I love your loyalty and honesty and you have every right to express it and this blog is better for it.............Have a good night all..
Champ,
The problem is, I agree with everything you said.
I don't understand why you say demeaning things about yourself simply because you recognize the hypocrisy of what goes on here.
(I guess I was just a little trigger happy since I can sometimes be accused of living in the land of "make believe" ; )"
Nothing wrong with that. As long as you don't try to drag other people in there with you. That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how some try to control others.
What happened to Carters energy plan was that supply and demand worked. The high oil prices of the 70's created a boom in the oil patch of t
Texas and Wyoming with a lot of new drilling. I knew several people that let town to work in the oil fields. It also promoted drilling around the world. By the late eighties oil had been cut in half or lower. In 79 I was paying around 2 dollars a gallon by 89 it was down th $0.70 a gallon.
It will happen again but there are fewer places not explored and they are mostly in unfriendly hands.
why do I say this. It is because of a fact I read awhile back all of the deep sea drilling platforms are booked for the next 5 years. That means drilling and exploration is in full swing.
But I am sure a lot of people thought Jimmy Carter was living in the land of make believe when he brought up these crazy ideas like alternative energy and getting off our dependence on foreign oil...
And I sure as heck wish he was able to drag enough other people in there with him to actually do something 30 years ago.
But I think in the new information age - demand can be influenced by factors other than price.
We need to "market" alternative energy. Make windmills and solar panels "cool" - and rich people will start buying them. And as they become more common - the price will go down.
Also, I get the whole supply and demand argument - but I think a Government's role is to step in with legislation where normal market forces will run counter to long-term goals.
Warren
You are talking about taxes. who gets what is important to individual and groups but over all we are part of the same pot. neither party is going too far in out on a limb.
In the ninties we saw a change in our credit markets. They became international. In some ways that is good for the world. It allows unpresedented growth to occur in may nations that had been written off as beyond help in the 70's
This is now a fact of life. Capital goes where it gets the best return for it's risk. It is not just some big corporation. who engage in capital flight each of us who have an over seas fund are doing it too.
And it is all done at the click of a mouse.
If we no longer look like a safe place to put our money then we no longer have access to easy money.
It will affect you in your personal loans, me in my business loans, Small and large businesses that want to expand. then we will see a stagnation that no amount of tax breaks or free givaways from uncle sam will cure.
I agree Jack. And in that respect - I think there is a tangible value in the "hope" and "inspiration" of Obama's rhetoric.
I don't think the excitement in Europe and elsewhere is based on the idea that Obama will run this Country into the ground.
It is based on the notion that Obama will turn the page on Bush.
To a certain degree - I agree with those that say the actual policies under either an Obama or McCain administration will not be as drastically as they seem on the campaign trail. And so it is the intangible qualities of an Obama administration that appeal to me.
A surge in public service, a new generation activated and energized by politics, and an immediate shot in the arm to our reputation and credibility around the world.
Warren that last post was to an earlier reply to some of my musings. I aimed to link it. I also aimed to proof read it but hit submit instead of preview
It is late time for bed
BTW , warren as one who has called you naieve may I say you have moved beyond just cheer leading into interesting discussion. It looks better on you.
Although, you did look good in that short skirt.
grin , duck and run
Good night everyone - from the land of make believe...
(And remember - if you believe something (or even if you don't) - and you say it over and over again in response to every question - often it will become "true" ; )
Carol; 10:21 am previous thread ..... "troopergate", this would not be tolerated in my area either. If I had of been Palin, he would have been fired and then charged with threatening - the guy's a creep.............
OD; 9:54 pm ................ Watching Hillary and Diane Sawyer was, to say the least, saddening that we have to put up with the backroom boys choice. I hear an awful lot about what will happen to the supreme court if Mc/Palin are elected. but, and I really stress this, it's total BS.....Women's rights, PUHLEEZ, women don't have any rights, the way that Hillary was blown off by the obots and the DNC and the msm is pretty substantial proof of that. Even Palin, the curveball that she was, is only window dressing. It's a boys club and they'll do anything they have to to keep it that way.......
Chloe; Darlin', I would take to wearing turtlenecks if I was you, cover up your jugular, or they will hurt you..
Mr. Crawford; As I have said before, a few times, I personally, am extremely grateful for a place to - I was going to say discuss, but you can't discuss with the BC's - so I guess I better say vent. Thanks awfully and I promise to try to behave...............................................
Wrong on just about every account, xrep, but I'm glad you got a kick out of it. I'm certainly not Max; he was a lot smarter than I and quite frankly made much more relevant and substantiated posts than I ever have, but he didn't agree with the mob and was run off accordingly. He was also more cordial than I, now that I think of it.
I don't support McCain or Bush, and am as disgusted if not more than anyone else regarding the catastrophic Bush Administration. I've said so numerous times. As you are an ideologue, I know you would prefer to categorize everyone who doesn't agree with you a "Republican". Whatever works for you; doesn't make it true.
I certainly don't feel I was made a fool, quite the opposite, but I suppose that's subjective and I'm biased. Some people like to gang up on others, I suppose because they feel they are fighting the good fight and must win at any cost, integrity be damned. If they want to gang up on me, fine; I'm game. I can be pretty brutal and I don't mince words; duplicity has never been my strong suit.
I don't change my name, either. I stand by my words, assume culpability and apologize for them when warranted. "champ" is anonymous enough.
Moot points all, as I'm gone. It took me a while, but I've finally figured out how this place works. You win. Obama will win. You'll have your utopia soon, and then you can start throwing dissidents in jail. Have fun with that.
Nancy Pfotenhauer is McCain's spokesperson. Her last name is so unique I wondered if she was related to this guy I once knew from the Oregon delegation -- Kurt Pfotenhauer. Gotta be -- I never met Kurt's wife, but I remembered she was something of a GOP operative herself. Hmmm..I wonder what Kurt is up to these days....
Wouldn't you know that he was the top lobbyist for the Mortgage Bankers!
DC Power Couples.......
Kurt Pfotenhauer senior vice president, Mortgage Bankers Association
Nancy Pfotenhauer conservative activist
He's a former chief of staff to Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.). At the age of 24, she served on President George H. W. Bush's transition team, and was appointed by the current president as a delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. She is a director emerita of the Independent Women's Forum, an antifeminist organization funded by conservative philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife. In 2004, Washingtonian magazine named her one of the city's most important conservative leaders.
Kurt has moved on recently to become the to the CEO for the American Land TItle Association -- just ahead of the mortgage crisis chickens coming to roost in McCain's political ambitions.
yep......i fail to recall the showing anyone up for a fool part also.......the only negative I posted about was regarding bri-nyc and his blogging personality, with a few shots at the Chef.......
But I'll think about all that tomorrow......after all.....tomorrow is another day.
uh oh......well, I still cant think about it.......I have to concentrate on the 12 foot red oak bar top with chicago bar rail and red oak tambour covered base and stainless steel motor drive shaft for a foot rest.......all in all, much more pleasant to think about that than blog wars.......
Sturgeone; 5:14 am .........."Tomorrow is another day", "The only thing that matters Katie Scarlett, is the land".................................................................
the old one arrived in 1748, and his grandson married an O'Hara so I guess with a genuine O'Hara in the woodpile, i qualify.......but frankly, I dont.....oh, wait....that was the Butler.......and he came on back to chawson.....oh, well.....back to the bar................lol
Scarlett had good sense enough to collaborate with the nasty bluecoats and saved Tara.......ours in Merriwether County Ga. became truly gone with the wind.....except for the cemetary........
Scarlett didn't collaborate with Yankees -- she was in Atlanta visiting Aunti PittyPat and birthin' Melanie's baby.
The Yankees used Tara as a headquarters and pretty much tore it up. They just didn't burn it down when they left, like they did to Ashely's Twelve Oaks.
xrep - for the first time I have to disagree with you. I know Champ has been sharp and sarcastic and abstruse - but he has been honest as to his feelings. His manner of speech has been no more forceful than several others you do not single out. I understand your reaction to some of Champ's postings but wish you would find the same faults in those others who are equally 'guilty'.
Boy, does that sound stuffy. I really mean it, xrep - I agree with you on just about everything but the same
"problem" lies with more than a few here. I have to stick up for Champ's right to be as irritating as anyone else.
Champ - I know you will understand my point. (right?)
wiki
Scarlett marries Rhett and finds marriage to him surprisingly pleasant. Other than refusing to help Ashley Wilkes, Rhett completely spoils her. Scarlett begins spending time with the newly rich Yankees, who are portrayed as having few if any scruples. Scarlett builds a mansion and spends money lavishly. The Old Guard decide to cut Scarlett and Rhett out of society for keeping company with Yankees and flaunting their wealth.
well, a fine point, but she saved Tara before this time I guess......
champ - I just read the previous posts. Don't you dare leave - that's the easy way out. You've had a lot of positive comments from the rest of the people here so you have to know that many agree with you much of the time. Being strafed by one person or several doesn't mean much in the long run.
Heck, I don't agree with much of what you post, but I can see that you're trying to work thru the info you get everyday from the media and the other posts you read everyday because you want to know what you believe in the middle of the chaos. I wish every body thought about their beliefs as carefully as you do. You're honest about it and not hidebound and not tied to any allegiance other than your own beliefs. Keep on truckin'. So sayeth the old lady.
Sturge -- That part came after the WAR and after she devoured a dirt-laden root vegetable in the barren fields of Tara, cursing the Yankees and vowing "As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again. "
alicia......right.....that's what I meant when I said she had already saved tara before this alleged fraternization with the yankers......ie she didnt save tara by collaboration but by marrying frank.......
Sturge -- Right. She saved Tara from the carpetbagging tax assessors by marrying Frank so she could pay them off. This was after she had a visit with Rhett in the horse jail and found out he couldn't access his money.
These economic issues pose a real dilemma for me. While Obama knows nothing about any issues except what his 1960s elders want him to know (i.e., class warfare and welfare empowerment), McCain's head-in-the-sand attitude about the economy just about makes it impossible for me to vote for him as well. As a Texan, I know Phil Gramm has the soul of prison guard and a heart of coal. Putting these two in charge of the economy would be every bit as disastrous as putting Obama in charge, only for different reasons. Ron Paul understands the problems to a point, but his solutions are stuck in the 19th century.
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"The crisis that has seized Wall Street over the last few days caught the campaigns of both Barack Obama and John McCain flat-footed.
Neither man, as we wrote yesterday, has a demonstrated expertise on the issue and national polling shows that voters aren't sure whether Obama or McCain would do a better job in managing the economy as president.
So, with both campaigns scrambling to win the issue over the next few days, The Fix solicited the opinions of a handful of Republican and Democratic strategists, asking them what specifically they would advise their party's candidate to do in the short term to stake their claim to this critical issue."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/handling_the_economic_crisis_1.html?nav=rss_blog
The Fix offers its recommendations for each campaign.
When my property and house flooded, FEMA came house to house to write out damage claims and get people immediate aid. The Red Cross and others set up central locations were food, clothes etc were available.
The County moved quickly to get a lot of dumpsters in the area so clean up could begin.
The biggest problems were lack of information and getting the right information to people without power etc.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 16, 2008 3:20 PM
This should have been the point of attack after the nomination was clinched. Maybe this gaffe happened early enough to reclaim the higher ground in the campaign but I fear the electorate will rally around the party in power because they will buy the fundamentals being "American workers and resources"...
Never mind the fact that Republicans have been against improving the minimum wage or worker benefits...hey it sounds good at least...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 3:24 PM
Repost (sorry)
The fed - between a rock and a hard place. Benchmark rate remains unchanged.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/business/economy/17fed.html?hp
Posted by: pogo
| September 16, 2008 3:24 PM
jack, I'm glad to see FEMA had the MREs ready to go - like I said, I'm not faulting FEMA that much this time, but it may be out of my own ignorance.
Posted by: pogo
| September 16, 2008 3:25 PM
Excellent video Craig, excellent ad, and how stupid for McCain to tout the fundamentals of the economy. DUH...
Posted by: EuroTom
| September 16, 2008 3:27 PM
Ronald Reagan is another example of an inarticulate man.
He could read a great speech since he was a very good actor.
He could deliver well prepared speeches with great punchlines.
But, like some other political figures, he was very inarticulate when speaking off the cuff. One of the big problems here was a significant lack of background and information about the issues.
Of course, the public is easily fooled by the smooth snakeoil salesman..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 3:27 PM
Carly Fiorina's golden parachute...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-economic.html
Fortunately she already got hers so McCain and Palin can blast it after the fact...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 3:29 PM
In Oregon's 5th Congressional District, Kurt Schraeder is the Democratic candidate to replace retiring Darlene Hooley.
A practicing animal doctor (vet.) he has a great commercial with dogs. Yesterday, two different people mentioned the dog ads to me in a very favorable light.
Very effetive advertisement..
Off to work..have a nice day..90 degrees today..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 3:34 PM
that is "effective"
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 3:35 PM
Blond hair...blue eyes...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 3:37 PM
Obama can't move quickly enough on this to suit me, but he's doing fine. McCain is out of it...I am surprised Lieberman didn't call p. c. to say "...he just misspoke".
Tomorrow we'll know enough to tell if A.I.G. is going bankrupt.
Chaos unlike anything we've ever seen looms if A.I.G, goes the way of Lehman Bros.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 16, 2008 3:37 PM
This seems like it may have some impact...
https://political.moveon.org/donate/myfriends2.html?id=13871-8669638-xHLsYKx&t=1
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 3:39 PM
uh-oh..."The company (A.I.G.)has hired the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges — which is also handling the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy — to draw up bankruptcy papers."---New York Times, right now...
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 16, 2008 3:40 PM
The current economic crisis's ramification are so profound that the last thing we need are ad hoc 'solutions' from candidates muddying the waters.
This is a case for the technocrats to develop solutions that should be approved and implemented by our current batch of elected officials--as distasteful as that may be to almost all of us.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 3:42 PM
HA! Barack Obama approved your post today , Craig?
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 3:50 PM
flatus, you are correct. Who knows what the economy will look like by January? And the opinions of the candidates are pretty predictable at this point - they should go on record only if they have something to say that is contrary to the party line they have been spouting as an approach to the economy for the past few months. The economy for then next 4 months is Bush's baby. He has to try and fix it if he can - and by him I mean the people in his Admin and their advisors who have a clue - I certainly don't mean him individually.
Posted by: pogo
| September 16, 2008 3:54 PM
As if the President has control over the international mortgage and securities markets. The damage has already been done, pogo. You know that.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 3:56 PM
Here's an interesting bit of news re: Bob Barr - he failed to qualify for the WV ballots in Nov., and one of our fed judges threw out the lawsuit brought by his supporters to get him put on the ballot. Judge Copenhaver found "it was their lack of reasonable diligence that ultimately thwarted their effort" and that they "would have satisfied the two requirements had they commenced their efforts just two to three weeks earlier." Too bad.
Posted by: pogo
| September 16, 2008 4:03 PM
"the MILF"
oinker
Posted by: You are stupid | September 16, 2008 4:03 PM
I am left to wonder why Michelle Obama hasn't made the MILF cut.
Posted by: Politically InCorrect | September 16, 2008 4:09 PM
Fiorina: Palin Lacks Experience to Run a Company
Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina amended her comments from earlier today that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin could not run a major corporation like HP.
How? By saying that Sen. John McCain couldn’t run one either.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/fiorina_palin_lacks_experience.html
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:13 PM
I'm sure they will be under the feet of Nazi thugs such as yourself, but for the moment, I'm doing quite well, happy to say.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 4:13 PM
LOL- If you wanted a CEO for President, you should have voted for Romney.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 4:15 PM
champ - I don't have time to get into it - other duties call. The president's two primary responsibilities are the economy and the nation's security. Damage may have been done, but that doesn't mean that the president can turn a blind eye to the economy that his policies in some measure serve as the foundation of. It's true enough that he can't directly cure all or even most of the economy's ills, at least in the short term, but whether the problems are the result of the failure of his policies as I contend or external forces over which he had little control, he can encourage action by the Fed and other arms of the government to restore confidence in the markets - at a minimum. He tried one stimulus package that wsa too little, and probably too late. I hope he's considering some other approach.
Posted by: pogo
| September 16, 2008 4:17 PM
hogaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Posted by: sockmeister | September 16, 2008 4:18 PM
Fiorina's comment was the second gaffe for a McCain staffer today.
Earlier, Doug Holtz-Eakin suggested that McCain created the Blackberry, a statement which was later called "boneheaded" by a McCain spokesman.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:22 PM
The Fed's part of the problem, pogo. Their monkeying with money supply has created a self-sustaining hyper-inflation that they continue to exacerbate with every rate cut. We'll all be "Turkish millionaires" soon if they keep it up, and you want them to do MORE?
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 4:22 PM
S Palin complains she's the victim of a political witch hunt. How accurate is that! lmao
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 4:24 PM
Earlier, Doug Holtz-Eakin suggested that McCain created the Blackberry, a statement which was later called "boneheaded" by a McCain spokesman.
McCain could validate that claim with a joke...
"Since many think I'm old as dirt, it's fair to say I was around on the sixth day when the plants were created and God let me do the blackberry"
I'm sure the thumpers would love that quaint diddy...lol
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:25 PM
Rezdog,
Does that comment mean that like Clarence Thomas, she has an affinity for "Long Dong Silver" movies too? lol
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:26 PM
lol Rez , how are you today?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:27 PM
rewrite:
S Palin complains she's the target of a political witch hunt. How accurate is that! lmao
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 4:27 PM
aren't they really called Crackberry(s)
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:28 PM
President Bush just put a headline to his administrations legacy...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26734268/
"Bush Warns of Disaster Fatigue"
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:30 PM
Hi UB,
Just lurking and listening (TV) to the news in the background.
And heard wolf's teaser about Pailin. Thought there was a good joke in that one. lol
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 4:30 PM
She[Fiornina] caused controversy when she said health plans should pay for birth control if they pay for Viagra, a position that is at odds with McCain's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:31 PM
Damn Bear, I guess I should of posted my U-tube link about
"Nailin Palin" lol
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 4:33 PM
I'm surprised McCain hasn't blamed the economy on the Democratic congress.
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/25923/John-McCain/John-McCain-On-Economy/McCain-Say-Economy-Is-All-Good/Fundamentals-are-still-strong
Posted by: BaxterJ | September 16, 2008 4:33 PM
It looks like any "witch hunt" claims by Palin are her attempt to don the Goalie Pads to see if she can channel Patrick Roy...
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx
Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:33 PM
gave me a chuckle.
everyday this GE campaign provides something to laugh about....SNL.... will be having arguments as to what skits to do....they have a wealth a material , and it's only Tuesday!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:35 PM
Someone was asking earlier for a link to a moderate blog...
Here is one...
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/republican-party/22703/john-mccains-pr-mistake/
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:36 PM
If, and that's a big if, she makes VP. The witch hunt may result in her being inducted into the hall of shame with Agnew. What an honor!
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 4:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA
Here's Carly and Andrea Mitchell
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:39 PM
Rezdog,
I've tried to be careful with my comments about Palin...I find that I have the same problem now as I did after going to Mardi Gras in New Orleans ten years ago.
After I got back from N.O. it took me a good three weeks to realize that women weren't going to flash me or get naked or offer sex just to get the set of 99 cent beads around my neck...
I can't help but think that Palin is the political equivalent of that notion, but I'm still waiting to see how things sort out to properly articulate it...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 4:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJhLsDSIgU
this is the right one....where she's say she doesn't think John McCain could run a major corporation....it's cut off at the end...I wonder how she explained her statement?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:44 PM
Didn't Chris jump all over that one? Welll, if not Keith will.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 4:51 PM
Mr Crawford
Last weekend while at a birthday party I was talking with a nephew that told me that spanish language tv news, beat all their US counter parts, I thought about it, and this might be true if the non-Latinos are on the net more than the Latinos,yes no?
In any case Obama should poke his head in their house once in awhile, and say que pasa.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 4:51 PM
The Milgram experiment was a seminal series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]
The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiments to answer this question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[3]
Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:
The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.
Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
interesting experiment about who among us would make good nazis.
Before conducting the experiment, Milgram polled fourteen Yale University senior-year psychology majors as to what they thought would be the results. All of the poll respondents believed that only a few (average 1.2%) would be prepared to inflict the maximum voltage. Milgram also informally polled his colleagues and found that they, too, believed very few subjects would progress beyond a very strong shock.[1]
In Milgram's first set of experiments, 65 percent (26 of 40)[1] of experiment participants administered the experiment's final 450-volt shock, though many were very uncomfortable doing so; at some point, every participant paused and questioned the experiment, some said they would refund the money they were paid for participating in the experiment. No participant steadfastly refused to administer shocks before the 300-volt level.[1]
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 4:55 PM
Solar Crete,
Obama does have an active Latino Campaign going too. I was in Portland a week ago. While driving through an area that was mainly latino....there in the midst of a very active shopping center was an Obama campaign office with everything in Spanish and a big "Si Se Puede" sign on it.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 4:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 4:59 PM
Chaching!
Chris mentions Fiorina's gaffe immediately
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:03 PM
Solar,
Here is the Latino Portion of the Obama site.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/latinoshome/
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:05 PM
Obama's supporters step on his message
Obama gives a speech on the economy but all the talk is about dumb irrelevant stories about Palin
http://dailyhowler.com/dh091608.shtml
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:08 PM
Chef Sheila
No, that's not what i wrote, he should say something to them himself-a little personal touch goes a long way, unless he thinks their votes are in the bag, Bush did pretty good last time around with them.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 5:08 PM
No we're not Sock, right now we're talking about Carly Fiorina, major surrogate for McCain.
Also talking about Latinos for Obama ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:11 PM
You're so vain
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:12 PM
Good golly Miss Molly, did this place go down the shitter or what?
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 5:17 PM
Sock,
I think the Tanning Bed can be a problem for her.
While I can understand that the vitamin E? D? you get from the sun is needed when you have long term darkness up there, how do you claim to be the average person, when you have a tanning bed in the governor's mansion?
That screams elitist to me...lol
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 5:17 PM
Tanning bed- paid for it herself and it is for the effects of SAD.
You must not be a fan of Sunset Tan --the olley girls rawk!
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:21 PM
That screams elitist to me...lol
Wrong
Elitists go to Hawaii to get their tans.
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:22 PM
I'm Haitian...tanning isn't on the need to do list...lol
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 5:22 PM
Most doctors will tell you that tanning bed are really harmful......there are special non-damaging lights for people who suffer from SAD.
Some people look kind of orange when faux tan...
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 5:27 PM
But Solar, Obama has all year. You just don't get the coverage because its not interesting to the press. He has even gone into the workers fields.
Its true that Hill and Bill had the latino vote locked up, but now here is some good news for you.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-latino-votersjul25,0,1084688.story
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM
Don't need to need a tan to appreciate the olly girls
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=99486555
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:28 PM
Sock,
Are the olley girls the blonds who went from lovers to fighting over the same guy?
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 5:29 PM
Now here is a great picture site for latinos and Obama Solar,
I don't know if you can access this though. but try.
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=46005&id=22203686533
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:29 PM
Obama's speech was great today....many of us watched it live ...thanks to a link provided by....someone...
I think Obama in Las Vegas tomorrow, he should be able to get a good crowd there...maybe some coverage....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 5:32 PM
Anybody got a spare $30,000? I've never heard Streisand live and I understand she's throwing a party tonight. :-)
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 5:32 PM
"Elitists go to Hawaii to get their tans."
I hope you are not implying the Obamas went to HI for a much needed suntan.
Posted by: no more sake for you sock | September 16, 2008 5:34 PM
LOL Jamie, I all ready gave this month.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 5:35 PM
"Are the olley girls the blonds who went from lovers to fighting over the same guy?"
Above my retention grade. They are better with the sound off.
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:35 PM
30k a ticket.....whoa... that's more than Fiorina's $21 million golden parachute.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 5:38 PM
I meant less....lol
.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 5:39 PM
She could take her friends...like Sarah...and a whole bunch more
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 5:40 PM
The irony there is that only rich republicans can afford to pay for her tickets...I wonder if John and Cindy are going...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 5:41 PM
$36 a month and you too can have your own private tanning bed
http://www.suncotanning.com/sunquest_14se_tanning_bed.htm
plugs in to a 20 amp circuit so no fancy electrical rewiring needed.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 5:42 PM
I wonder who Obama will support for Gov of Virginia.
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:51 PM
Palin pick pushes US women's group to back Obama
"The National Organization for Women (NOW) said Tuesday it had been pushed by the Republicans pick of Sarah Palin as vice presidential nominee to back Democrat Barack Obama for the White House."
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Palin_pick_pushes_US_women_s_group__09162008.html
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 5:52 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146099
Bear, If you suffered from SAD and many Alaskans do, the tanning bed would come in handy. Apparently salons that offer the service to the general public do a bang up business in the winter.
Now don't stay in there too long. I might take you a little longer, but you can get a nasty sunburn.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 5:54 PM
you must be new here......he's here with that crap 24/7 to great cheers from his "peeps".
Posted by: sock-eye | September 16, 2008 5:55 PM
"This is a perfect example of why there should exist a way to remove a comment."
I think using the Fand B words are better reasons to delete and ban the user, don't you AC?
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 5:56 PM
I can smell victory in the air and it smells damn fine.
Wow victory smells like Bry Bry's butt?
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 5:57 PM
Hey guys, I just made I big Obama sign for my office window....lol...I got a thumbs up from someone in the parking lot....may make another one (maybe Biden) since I have a corner office.....hope building rules permit this.
here's how : 700 point : font Stencil
each letter fits an 8. 5 x11
then put on poster board : )
downside it blocks my view.... : (
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:00 PM
The MLF Lullaby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB7PRY1Aqds
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 6:00 PM
"Terry McAuliffe To Campaign Hard For Obama"
I belive that would be called scraping the bottom of the barrel.
From Barry to Terry
"Never been any reason for you to think about me"
"Save my life I going down for the last time"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zFrfHI-cN8
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 6:02 PM
cat got another meal I see LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:06 PM
Bear I thought that same thought, I see how this would be an awesome event to attend...and Cindy would most likely like to go....but she can't, she could afford it, but she can't go.....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:08 PM
You're so vain
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 6:08 PM
Your own opinions and point of view reflect your own agreements and are personal to you. It is no one's truth but yours.
-M.Ruiz
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:11 PM
people thinking you suck has nothing to do with the election.
Posted by: sock-eye | September 16, 2008 6:12 PM
the more you attack me the more you show just afraid you really are of the way this election is going.
Like your frantic attacks on Pallin
Posted by: sock drawer open | September 16, 2008 6:13 PM
Multinational Land Force, wow Jamie, stop the porno
At least she's not calling someone a B____ or telling them to F___ off.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:13 PM
You see, apparently not everyone is cut out for open forums, some can't, or actually choose not to, ignore those that bother them.....
you all should be able to handle this....it's pretty simple
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:15 PM
like clockwork, almost on que
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:16 PM
"it's pretty simple"
UB, Some are too simple. :-)
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:17 PM
Now if you want porn, you might have to read between the lines on this Tom Lehrer song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKZR3Bcj4jw&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 6:19 PM
UB,
Stop letting those emotions get the better of you. Damn it!
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:19 PM
How did the dow end up???? up a little ..141
You think AIG will file for bankruptcy tomorrow? I know Dex thought it might.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:20 PM
cue
Posted by: Gordo's proofreading service | September 16, 2008 6:23 PM
you mean suck buddies.
Posted by: sock-eye | September 16, 2008 6:23 PM
lol Rez.....I'm trying...thank you for caring......
~~~~~Wait -are you being a sexist pig....you think I have emotions just because I am a woman.......SLAP! ~~~~~~
: )
an the beat goes on ( sonny and Cher)
a great happy blast from the past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU10TZs1ow0
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:25 PM
Jack,
That's the problem with some people. They don't how to read.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:28 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146158
Which makes him/her even more of an idiot for insulting me without evidence of any kind or even the courtesy of checking out what I had posted.
That particular "jump to conclusions, hang first hold trial later" mentality indicates someone who has no powers of logical analysis or insight at all and can therefor be ignored completely.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 6:28 PM
sorry, They don't know how to read.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:28 PM
Jamie,
Watch out. It's escalating.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:30 PM
Rez
Remember Nick?
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 6:31 PM
Double Down Posts
from dead blog posting
a second cry for help from
blistersyeahbutchannel
How Can You Miss Us If You Won't Read Our Blog
Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | September 16, 2008 6:32 PM
Jack who do think AC is? rofl
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:33 PM
Shelia,
Great effort.....and thank you for making the effort. I think there will always be some just have absolutely no intention, or desire to build bridges.....maybe they aren't comfortable with it or maybe the harbor grudges...I have no idea.....just know that your efforts are appreciated.... : )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:35 PM
here we go;
Senators Seek DOJ for Help in Preventing Disenfranchisement of Voters Losing Homes
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
By Kate Klonick - September 16, 2008, 5:55PM
After reports that the Michigan Republican party planned to challenge voters whose homes had been foreclosed, thirteen senators have petitioned Attorney General Michael Mukasey to ensure that such voters would not be harassed or intimidated at their polling places.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 6:36 PM
Jack
Yes, much worse has been said to Jamie,Patsi and other woman here and all it took was being a Hillary supporters!! Oh and not worshiping at the feet of "The One".....
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 16, 2008 6:37 PM
-Why if you dislike someone do you ask about their personal life....oh a jab....or do you really care....My god, do you remember every little detail of the lives of those you dislike? how weird ids that?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:38 PM
CRAIG -- YOU ARE A POLY SCI LAW MAJOR.... YOU MUST STAY AWAY FROM THINGS WITH NUMBERS
F -
The Fundamentals of the American Economy - Free Enterprise, Capitalism are correct.
Craig are you now moving to the socialistic values of Barack?
I am shocked..... Your grade this mid term is in trouble with two poor performances in a row.
However for a BHO supporter you would get an A
You also need to do FACT CHECK AGAIN.....
Hey want to have lunch in a few weeks when I am in the DC area?
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 6:41 PM
The moronic musings of the ignorant are premised on the idea that everyone is as stupid and ill informed as they are.
They are always Shocked! Shocked! when facts come into play and they are wrong.
Posted by: Hypocritta | September 16, 2008 6:42 PM
Shelia,
the senators were all Democrats.... : )
Yes we can!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:42 PM
The now Democratic Congress over sight and the failure of the congress to pass the McCain sponsored bill in 2005 are the leading causes.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 6:44 PM
Oh my I just found out that this is be kind to editors and writers month.
Sorry Craig
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 6:46 PM
McCain called this project "Pork" and now it may make it possible to allow drilling. Sometimes doing the right thing can work out in spite of no nothings whose knees jerk instead of letting their brains work.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-science/20080916/Grizzly.Bears/
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 6:46 PM
to all homies everywhere......
Sister Sledge.....we are family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw6F3Sf-PGw
you guys can take being called "sisters" ? can't you? ....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 6:46 PM
As long as you can dance like one LOL
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:48 PM
Good night and good luck.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 6:52 PM
Later Keith
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 6:54 PM
Anyone been to a Hamburger Mary's?
Good Burgers
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 6:55 PM
Colon Powell
If you love him so much.
Colin
Posted by: Gordo's proofreading service | September 16, 2008 6:55 PM
"You are crazy to attack me "
Sheila
I don't attack you.
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 6:56 PM
I don't care for either candidate but will take no chances on whether a democratic senate will accept a pro-life scotus nomination. I will vote for Obama and hope congress will make him behave - that's a less dangerous risk than hoping for a balanced scotus.
Can you imagine a 7 to 2 split on the court, or even a 6 to 3 split, all of them young enough to serve for 20 to 30 years or longer? That's a nightmare waiting to happen and Hillary Clinton has been saying it since she started her campaign.
Just think, 30 years of scotus rulings favoring corporations and churches and rich people. shudder.
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 16, 2008 6:57 PM
And Sturg,
I'm only goig to say this once too. I am blown away at your hatred too.
I honestly have cared about you for a very long time and have tried to understand the hit and runs that you make.
I never would have thought that you would treat me this way. But now? You ALL have taught me a lot of about character. Wow....
So, I won't ever try to engage you in conversation ever again....Just get over yourself too. This passive aggressive crap does nothing but injure you in the end.
I for one don't care to see you unhappy.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:00 PM
Jamie, Pogo. and the rest who are trying very hard to pull this site back together for Craig Crawford....
My pardon to you.
I am trying and will keep trying. Someday we will all be apart of the neighborhood again, I promise.
once these few stop digging and attacking, it will be a lot better.
Untill then, I promise I'm not leaving again. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:04 PM
Great comments Bethy!
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 7:04 PM
Actually Bethy,
Well said!
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:08 PM
Bethy
Wonderful post and for me its the same!
Sheila
Yes, stick around and give us all you got!This is your place too...
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 16, 2008 7:09 PM
Thanks Tony.
Because of you are others coming over to the other blog and sharing some of yourself. I really feel more at home here again. Thanks a lot. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:11 PM
oh......I'm voting for obama.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:18 PM
Rez.....you may be right......obama might have a chance to win this thing........I hope he does.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:23 PM
You know what I find amazing?
Obama spent $8 million for advertising in Florida compared to McCain spending nothing and he has lost it. A state that Al Gore won imo. McCain has been treating Florida like it is solid red and it looks like it is. BTW that doesn't count all the money he has spent opening up 50 offices and hiring 350 staff for them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13/report-florida-may-be-fal_n_126189.html
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 7:28 PM
Sturg,
Not sure what you're referencing but I think he has a chance; a long row though. I'll be pleasantly surprised because I'm not sure A-meery-cans are ready for a black guy. I use to think a woman (Hillary) would have a tougher ride but I'm not so sure anymore.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 7:29 PM
Some housekeeping...
1. Jack, thanks for the Head East link...I always wondered who did this song...
2. Ping Pong,..perhaps it had been a while since we chatted but I don't remember you being a Republican. Has it always been this way or is it more an anti Obama thing?
3. Animal Control...if you reread the thread, you will see that I interjected the porn reference with this post...http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146064
It seems that if Sarah Palin is trying to play victim in the same way Clarence Thomas did when the Anita Hill, he made her watch porn thing, hit the airwaves...
Posted by: Bear
| September 16, 2008 7:30 PM
Like I said....some people hold grudges....they drink the poison by holding onto negative and hurtful energy, meanwhile whoever they are angered at, goes about living their life.....grudges are a good for nothing waste of time.
If you don't like something stay away from it, if you want something to change make the effort........to change it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To change the world start with one step, -Dave Mathews
http://www.youtube.com/user/davematthewsband?ob=1
Great performance !!!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 7:34 PM
EVEN Rove said McBush has gone too far.
{rant} Dorgan & Hoyer just spoke out on the Senate floor about the deplorable economy and Bush and McBush and no oversight and no regulations. This is good.
But where the hell has everyone been for the past 5 years, at least? I'm no economist, but I've been saying the economy is falling apart. And now the house of cards is falling.
I don't want to be an economist or politician, but I want the jerks I vote for to be political and reign in the deregulated economy.
Would somebody somewhere show some leadership already?????{/rant}
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| September 16, 2008 7:34 PM
By the way,
Viv, Rita and all the rest who are recovering from Ike. Karolenna is in the same predicament and doing better. Man you guys went through a lot!
K said there were 75 mile an hour winds and no rain went Ike went through her part of Ohio. lost os tress down and not a lot of people without power.
Has anyone seen DEX?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:36 PM
LOL Hey Tip!
Like have you had it? ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:38 PM
Hooray!
SanDisk rejected Samsung's offer to buy them. At least it's rejected for today.
Ah yes, LYAO Department:
"Adviser calls BlackBerry 'miracle' McCain 'helped create' "
Douglas Holtz-Eakin said, "Telecommunications of the United States, the premiere innovation in the past 15 years, comes right through the Commerce Committee. So you're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create," Holtz-Eakin said. "And that's what he did. He both regulated and deregulated the industry."
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/16/mccain.blackberry/?iref=mpstoryview
They're all delusional.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| September 16, 2008 7:39 PM
Saw , Dex this AM briefly, up here ( about 2 hours north of Karo) they say 120,000 without power.....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 7:39 PM
Torpedo.......ha ha.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:41 PM
Posted by: Torpedo.Vindecator
Are you related to the Youngstown Vindicator?
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 16, 2008 7:44 PM
shouldnt it be "Vindicator" if youre going to vindicate something?
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:44 PM
shouldnt it be "Vindicator" if youre going to vindicate something?
I thought it was the English spelling ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 16, 2008 7:46 PM
Well sturg,
Very sad for you. I hope someday you will change your mind.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:47 PM
It has nothing to do with sarah palin, bonehead.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:47 PM
Glad to hear about Dex, thans guys.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:48 PM
Sheila, yep, I've had it. I've had it for 8 years.
Burrito, you mean Dex was physically 'up there'?
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| September 16, 2008 7:51 PM
sheila.....you may begin to not engage me at any time, ok?
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:52 PM
Carly is being covered on HardBall.....they aired the whole quote...it doesn't get any better, she had an idiot moment .
Carly get used to the underside of the bus.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 7:53 PM
Sturge
lol
What can I say. As you know, trash is and trolls troll.
Beside that,
For a long time I've said this election is going to be about Ohio. If things keep going as they are forget that. That leaves a must win for Obama in Colorado and New Mexico.
He can win but it would be nice to see him helping himself some. Like run a few positive ads while people are undecided and listening maybe.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 7:54 PM
8 results for: vindecător Results: 1-8 of 8
English Romanian
curer vindecător
healer vindecător
physician vindecător
lol.......he's healing the "torpedos" egad
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 7:58 PM
My god, I guess sometimes people love to have someone to dislike.......as an adversary.....like a super hero and their evil opponents...
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 7:59 PM
yep....a special nugget for the day.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:00 PM
lol "enough of what?" KO funny
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:05 PM
burrito, my ex ALWAYS had a nemesis.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| September 16, 2008 8:06 PM
Craig,
It is about time to end this experiment, you are down to a handful of people that post and they are not interested in an exchange of ideas, just put downs.
Posted by: Pull the plug | September 16, 2008 8:06 PM
Yes pull the plug.
More readers for blistersyeahbutchannel
Posted by: blistersyeahbutchannel | September 16, 2008 8:09 PM
lol
tt
I know people like that it energies them, but in a negative way.
Happy to hear he's an ex
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:10 PM
Pull the Plug,
Obviously you don't know what a real neighborhood is like. They go down, they get better, they breath just like a living thing.
Well, this blog more than others is a neighborhood. Get use to it and maybe you will keep your name next time when you understand finally that your part of it too. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:10 PM
Yeah...plus, once ownership moves to another country, those jobs will be at risk.....selling the jobs away.....his own wife....8 houses...McSame is clueless. freaking clueless.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:13 PM
Watch Out for The Neighborhood Watch. They are Watching You and Taking Notes. They Report On Your Behavior. It Must Conform to Proper Thinking.
Posted by: Garden Angels | September 16, 2008 8:16 PM
pull the plug
It is called "Sturgeon's law"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 8:17 PM
Just hold your breath with that.
Palin was the fastest rise and fall i have ever seen. It could rise again tomorrow. Everything we know about the Political horserace has changed.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:17 PM
Pull the Plug -
Post something . Go ahead. Post a comment. ...instead of some nasty gram to Craig about his blog.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
Obviously, rarely do they get better until a there is someone willing to come in and clean up the crap that has been tossed everywhere, sort of like what Rudi did with NYC after Dinkins failure.
Posted by: Pull the plug | September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
better yet, Pull the plug, perhaps an in blog poll of members present and past who can be located as to what one poster is the cause of the most trouble and nastiness on this blog.....
If it's me, I'll happily post no more.........
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 8:18 PM
Pull the plug
The 10% that is left doesn't show up in the evenings anymore. A shame but true.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 8:19 PM
No way Garden Angel,
just setting a few things straight and defending the neighborhood for Craig Crawford.
Afterall, he did a great job of setting this place up and he's had a lot of dedication keeping it going against all odds. The least we can do is give Craig what he wants.
I great conversation and a lot of involved participants.
You can to if you will just keep your name and take part! ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:20 PM
"sort of like what Rudi did with NYC after Dinkins failure. "
Chris Matthews is posting on Craig Crawford's blog
Posted by: Boy Howdy | September 16, 2008 8:21 PM
I notice the critics who constantly change their aliases don't care enough about this place to be themselves.
I may not have a love fest going with everyone from the Obama/Clinton wars, but at least they have the decency to speak for themselves as themselves. That makes it possible to reach detent if not perfect peace.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 8:22 PM
shorting Spalin stock....Andrea Mitchell called her Spalin ( yeah I know she was talking too fast....but it was funny.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:22 PM
You can to if you will just keep your name and take part! ;0)
Your rule not Mr. Crawford's.
Posted by: Garden Angel | September 16, 2008 8:23 PM
Well Sturg,
We would want you too, so get over it. We want everyone cranky and not. The only ones who have managed to get kicked off are not here obviously.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:23 PM
We...are Bailing out AIG.....I guess they didn't want people jumping from windows tomorrow...woul look
bad for the sitting Republicans.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:25 PM
thanks Jamie, I for one appreciate your unity.
;0) Your right, its not perfect now, but everyone here must want to be here. That says a lot.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:26 PM
Dont look now, but more have quit than are still posting.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 8:29 PM
Yo Sturg
As Champ would say, you can't go anywhere you kept me here;hang in there
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 8:33 PM
don't worry,
They always come back don't they? We have. ;0)
This place will fill up again in a week.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:34 PM
"Obviously, rarely do they get better until a there is someone willing to come in and clean up the crap that has been tossed everywhere"
Pull the plug
Hey Pilgrim, that sounds like a Duke moment.
Just for you Pull the plug. The Duke at his finest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nnpf9H-QO4
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 8:38 PM
Sturg,
I'll be happy to participate in the poll. Maybe Jack will volunteer to be supervisor of elections.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 8:38 PM
First of all Champ,
I am not passive aggressive. Unfortunately or otherwise, this is really who I am.
Second of all, you will get use to me too or you won't. But you are a part of this neighborhood too. I am just coming back after a time away. Get to know me, you might find that you like my views.
The funny part about this is, I like both of those men very much. We actually had history.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:39 PM
We want everyone cranky and not. The only ones who have managed to get kicked off are not here obviously.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:23 PM
'WE'?!... News Flash! It ain't your blog, Sheila.
Just because you've been posting stupid shit longer than others have doesn't give you authority over the comments section of a blog.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 8:42 PM
Flatus
I've never been in the military but isn't there a rude and crude reply to a request for volunteers ?
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 8:43 PM
You must have me confused with a moron, Sheila. Maybe because you spend so much time speaking with other morons- stupidity is contagious, you know.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 8:44 PM
Champ
Relax take a breath.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 8:45 PM
No it isn't my blog, but this is part of my neighborhood.
its Craig's blog and he likes a lot of diversity. Well I guess I'm just another facet. the one with the cute ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:46 PM
You guys ever hear of etiquette? Freedom of speech is one thing, but when you realize that you and your 'friends' have monopolized the conversation for, hmmm, let's see here, 3 days straight, can't you take a step back and give others a chance to participate? Is that too much to ask? Of course it is. Because you guys are Nazis.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 8:48 PM
A bunch of !@#$? lol a gaggle of swabbies?
A mess a Grunts?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:49 PM
Thugs.....just say NO!
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:49 PM
Chef Sheila
Did you used to sign off as the Nun Sheila, or something like it before?
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 8:50 PM
oh, check out who's mr manners all of a sudden.........
Posted by: sturgeone | September 16, 2008 8:50 PM
Jack, you and I are large enough that we don't have problems with reluctant volunteers.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 8:50 PM
CNN last night exposed the exaggeration of the McCain campaign..
Tonight it is Obama..
When these two debate,they had better not turn toward each other. Their noses might touch..
It is on now..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 8:51 PM
WOW now we are also able to control people's fingers, from a distance without even knowing it.....that's some wild power....
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ
john lennon
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:52 PM
Champ, why don't you take part or start a conversation yourself. It is a freedom of speech thing. No one is drowning you out.
I just have nothing to say about your anger.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM
Yeah, thugs. You troll the forum all damn day, exchanging triviality, and then when someone dares to post anything that you perceive threatens your agenda, you gang up on them, belittle them, until they wisely just stop participating. Thugs.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 8:54 PM
Yes solar crete, if you have seen anything that included my name, Chef Sheila, that is me.
The nun part was a joke between Patsi and myself. But the name got quite long and so I went back to the original
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:55 PM
Animal..Ignore the Knotheads
1. Knotheads are those who regularly spew venom at posters.
2. Avoid reading their posts whenever possible.
3. Avoid reading posts that respond to knotheads.
I have four on my list. Occasionally a post slips through. I tend to be more bemused than anything else when their predictable diatribes slip through the Ignore the Knotheads net.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 8:56 PM
Is that the point you want to make today, no comment on Carly, or AIG, or Obama's great speech in Co.? the economy in general....
anything other than your frustrations with bloggers?
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:57 PM
I would like to point out that I am one who tends to post at night, mostly because I am on the west coast. I've seen some pretty lousy things said in the morning posts as well as later. I don't see much difference between the 2 times, and I don't think I have ever resorted to name calling altho I have stood up for some who have been picked on in my opinion.
I also would love to be able to read all the posts - the other night I skipped at least half.
But I don't know that it can be helped. I will stay here as long as possible, but if I have to skip most of the posts it's a waste of time.
BOTH SIDES and ALL SIDES have gone too far so anyone who wants to blame either is going too far again. I like hearing what others have to say, but not what they think of the rest of this group. It seems some people just want to fight and insult and I don't think it is possible to curb them, aside from it's being
contrary to the very purpose of this blog.
I don't understand the desire to bring the BC back into the fold if all we do is fight and tell others to leave, but it does add more thoughts and communication.There are maybe 5 or 6 here who are requirements for me - if they leave, I'll really hate it.
Will it help to make a list of things that are over the line?
Perhaps references/attacks on/against sexual orientation...intelligence...ability to tolerate...integrity....
taking offence at others' comments...basic humanity.
Those are the most egregious of the types of things I've seen here, especially lately, and I really believe the people who posted them DON'T really believe what they say. Everybody here is basically decent, but so many can't stop snapping back.
I suppose someone will think I sound like a moralistic lecturer, but plenty of thers have put in their thoughts and I want to as well.
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 16, 2008 8:57 PM
Sorry- I didn't post that, someone from another part of the country was controlling me. I blame that person.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 8:58 PM
Champ, why don't you take part or start a conversation yourself. It is a freedom of speech thing. No one is drowning you out.
I just have nothing to say about your anger.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 8:52 PM
I've tried to start conversations... they are lost among the BC thugs' riveting discussions of Chris Matthew's Hardball and tanning beds, among other stupid crap.
Oh, thanks again for yet another wonderful example of passive aggression.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 8:58 PM
She[Fiornina] caused controversy when she said health plans should pay for birth control if they pay for Viagra, a position that is at odds with McCain's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA
unlikely_burrito | September 16, 2008 4:31 PM
-----------
Now I DO agree with that .. all the women in my family have had to go on Birth Control pills at one time or another in their life ...
For REAL medical purpose it was made for, to help regulate menstruation, birth control was a side affect ... it's doesn't make sense not to cover them ...
yeah, I know the agrument, "it will make girls have sex sooner & more often" ....
The thing is, girls, if they're going to have sex, will do it with or w/o the pil .. but this way, at least there won't be any unwanted babies ... JMHO
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 9:00 PM
You didn't miss anything, Beth.
Yeah, I tried to discuss the economic crisis today and discuss the Fed's role in it, but it went nowhere. You must have been busy making Obama signs on company time with company supplies and missed it. Don't blame me.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:02 PM
I actually became fond of Shelia when she was the really long name....it made me laugh....we were on different sides of the political fence at the time..... it broke the ice so to speak, but I really never thought there was any ice, and in the beginning I couldn't keep anyone straight....kind of like now.....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:03 PM
Oh, 2nd part of my post wasn't addressed to you, Beth. Sorry.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:03 PM
OD
I saw the CNN piece too. They are a pair of big fat liars.
It looks like Obama took the biggest, ugliest frog theory to heart.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 16, 2008 9:04 PM
Chef Sheila
I lurked here for over a year, and you scared me, I thought you were a real nun,like one of the nun's i had. She could sound so nice one moment, and then pow,right in the kisser,I knew you sounded familiar the way you picked a cpl.things apart i was trying to say, your are good because I didn't understand myself, after you told me what i intended to say. , are you giving classes,some of the others are almost as good,and no i don't want to enroll in one.
God Bless
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 9:07 PM
UB was making the signs. Read the posts before you comment. It's like "think before you speak"; both alien concepts to you, I realize.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:08 PM
KGC:
I've always known that Obama is full of hot air. I was surprised at the degree of misrepresentation cited on CNN, particularly the Obama ad about McCain voting to cut education funding. That ad was a simple like with four of the five votes represented on the screen misrepresented.
Everyone makes a mistake once in awhile, but it is clear that these two weak candidates have decided to lie their way to the White House.
Jeffery Toobin followed up with his usual "I love Barack" rant..I wonder when he gets his check from the campaign.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 9:09 PM
lie not like. I need to type more slowly..
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 9:10 PM
Ha ha. You should get out more and meet some real people then. You'd have to leave the apartment, though. Baby steps.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:12 PM
Bethy,
Thank you for taking the time to say what you think.....I think you are spot on....but sometimes the reality is lost when a few people who would rather belittle.
Maybe there are different "styles" depending on time of day, I agree with you here, but not much else...today was a huge day of political mis-steps....and at the same time economic melt-down....seems people could forget their anger for a while.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:13 PM
OD,
Do you have a sense how you're fellow Clinton volunteers are leaning right now?
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 9:13 PM
OD
"Jeffery Toobin followed up with his usual "I love Barack" rant..I wonder when he gets his check from the campaign"
Although I attribute it to general "suck up to the host stuff." I saw Toobin on with Lou Dobbs and I thought they were going to lynch an illegal immigrant as part of the segment. It's like he will say anything to be a pundit.
The Obama media has been in a tizzy over the disrespect from McCain. It will be hard for them to keep their tizzy all frothed up because Obama is as big a liar as McCain.
Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker
| September 16, 2008 9:14 PM
Yep UB is real nice, after she misread, one of my post, and Jack tried to tell her about it, she posted that she had the means to find me and take care of me,or something very close to this.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 9:15 PM
Viv ,
They also need condoms for protection, did you know that that aids rate in Washington DC is 10%...it's a huge problem
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:15 PM
Good evening all! Was pleased to cast my vote for O'Reilly today. Kerry has totally lost my vote, something I never thought I would say. Twilight zone again!
Posted by: oldseahag
| September 16, 2008 9:15 PM
Solar....you know what...I have been attacked here very violently...so yeah I made a mistake. I don't know who you are and I don't know what you know about me....so forgive me for making a statement to let someone know, not to mess with me.
If you knew more about me and my family you might understand. end of subject.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:18 PM
...and she has "the means to do it" too, Solar! OOOOHHHHH! You have the mentality of a 3rd grader, UB. "I'm going to get my dad, then you'll be sorry"! Puh-leeze.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:20 PM
Solar are you on face book? .... I am more then willing to make amends.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:21 PM
Solar or do you have a bog that I can go to to learn more about you?
I trust more easily if there is two way sharing of information.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:23 PM
So how often do you call in a favor to fulfill your vendettas against anonymous bloggers, UB?
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:23 PM
Doin' great, buddy! How 'bout you?
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:27 PM
Solar Crete,
Lol Thank you I think. lol Oh man, no not a NUN. Though that was the joke between Patsi and I. ;0)
Your are a great person. I hope you and I get to know each other more. I'm sure now that the serious angst is just about over and I've grown a "Set" for a girl, I will be calmer and better. lol
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:27 PM
UB
I'll tell you,like I told Sheila, while lurking here for a year I thought what a wonderful place this blog is, I did get to know you a little and liked you very much, if i remember you have a few dogs, a son, or doughter that you made them sound very nice. I remember you trying to understand black people, you did not live near them, at that time Jack talked to about them because of where he lives, sorry if some details are wrong,
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 9:30 PM
VIV! Your right. I would love to know how to do the rythem method enough to prevent pregnancy, but its hard to teach and not very effective.
The women in my family needed to have birthcontrol pills to prevent maladies that happen to women that the pills actually solved too.
So the birth control pill is actually needed and has prevented death over the years. too.
I am for "Whole Life, not just at the begining. So I say WHole Life not Pro-life.
Education from the schools and the parents is the key. Just say no is not good enough.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM
You've just crossed over into to the Twilight Zone.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM
mccain says he'll appoint a "9/11 commission" to look at banking. Too look at banking ???
Hmmm. It is 7 years after 9/11, and many of the "9/11 commission's" suggestions are still in the planning stages. Or worse, they were shelved as not providing opportunities to make a buck or opportunities for bush to increase his republican totalitarianism.
Too bad Ken Lay and Charles Keating aren't around to staff that commission. I guess mccain will have to settle for neil bush and jack abramov.
mccheney is merely blathering the same tired old republican bushit.
To bed, perchance to dream.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 16, 2008 9:32 PM
Tread lightly, Solar. Enjoy the O-Jays while you do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48N2R2lO4D8
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:34 PM
LOLOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ct-yAPomU
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Champ has been complaining about posters making comments devoid of good sense or judgment and now he is the main one making "foolish remarks". It is time to wear your hypocrite hat and sit in the corner.
Posted by: lambchop | September 16, 2008 9:35 PM
Charles Keating aren't around to staff that commission.
Hey...Mr. Keating is available.
Posted by: Chuck's Agent | September 16, 2008 9:36 PM
Yeah, but I'll get up eventually, Lambchop; they won't. Be patient.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:37 PM
UB
Thanks for the offer I accept, now extend that other hand to all the friends,that you can still have around, do it now,or you are going to be fighting all the time with everyone, do it now or come out swinging, but the principles that you have, the ideas that you have Iv'e seen some like said.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 9:37 PM
Hey Bear,
I have never voted a straight ticket - go by choice, and yes I would say I would be a middle of the road and values are closer to traditional Republican. However was rasied working on some Dem campaigns - Code for Craig - Working at the BROWN COW
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 9:39 PM
Last night it was $75 bil A.I.G. needed..now it's $85 bil a DAY later...and the Fed just gave it to them for an 80% stake.
This is what Bush de-regulation has done. It's all so A.I.G. can try to un-fuck themselves.
Extraordinary !! Unbelievable.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 16, 2008 9:39 PM
Solar,
there could be hope for us.....2 sons btw.....but I know nothing of you.......so maybe you can understand that when someone out of the blue tells you to watch your back, it's a bit un-settling.......especially with all the name switching.
And also there are other reasons.
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:40 PM
Oh and by the way,
The FUNDAMENTALS of OUR ECONOMY ARE STRONG !! This is no Gaffe - and I guess my point earlier in the blog got lost with the anger, frustration, rude self center comments.
Stop and Listen and you may hear something of value
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 9:41 PM
Dex,
I was waiting to hear what you had to say on this. I was shocked by the Fed as well. ....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:42 PM
It really is Dexter. Unbelievable......thanks for the info
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:43 PM
BTW Dex,
Did Ike touch you or did you slide by untouched?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:44 PM
2 sons and 1 daughter - jtbc just to be clear
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:46 PM
I just got an email with some great pix of the alaska rally against Palin. If you haven't seen the signs up close but want to, tell me how to post an email here.
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 16, 2008 9:46 PM
UB
Shame on you, that's not the way the post sounded at all.
good luck to you and yours.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 9:48 PM
Bethy do you have facebook?
Or google the captions and you will probably find the website that originated them
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:50 PM
Shame on me....WOW...I guess I better track it down and reread, that was my honest memory......I guess either I was just set up -or there is a huge mis-understanding....
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 9:51 PM
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/
Pictures from the Alaska women's rally
Posted by: Hypocritta | September 16, 2008 9:54 PM
Flatus..I'm in regular contact with several of the Clinton volunteers.
Most of them are very conflicted. Most were going to write in Hillary when it was thought that Oregon was a sure Blue state...but McCain is gaining here and in Washington state.
I can speak only for myself. If Oregon appears close I will probably vote for Biden with Obama along for the ride. If it is a sure Blue victory here, I will write in Hillary.
As I am typing this message, CNN showed again part of Hillary's discussion of the economy with Diane Sawyer this morning.
One reaction that is seldom discussed in the media, is that the more we see Hillary, the angrier her supporters get at the stupid selection of a lightweight like Obama who makes what should be a victory, very precarious.
The volunteers I know haqve stopped any donations to the DNC and the other Obama flacks.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 9:54 PM
Re: Discussion above about ourselves. For the record, I view the comments section of this blog as an organism that shifts shapes according to primal laws of nature. I don’t get involved in any offsite efforts to shape discussion, or direct who comes or who goes. Whatever I’ve got to say, I say it right here. I do prefer reasonably civil dialogue, and think I’ve made that quite clear many times. Beyond that, my only job is to create the daily columns and videos that I am paid to do. I am not paid to monitor or direct the comments section. But I do stay involved because I enjoy the vigorous debates and sense of community we’ve created. When the comments section descends into mindless chaos or childish tantrums, I am sorry about it, but I keep doing my job, hopeful that, as always seems to happen, soon we will shift shapes again and the comments will be worth reading.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| September 16, 2008 9:57 PM
Sometimes being a glutton for punishment, yesterday I listened to the Ed Schultz Show from Alaska..
Poor, hapless Ed had an audience that seemed to filled with roaring Palin supporters.
Ed didn't know what to do. He is not very bright and it really shows when his audience isn't stacked in his favor.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 9:58 PM
"McCain" is running an inept campaign, the economy is in the toilet, to say nothing else of the last 8 years of utter incompetence of the same brand. If the "Obama" can't win this election, they just need to dissolve the Democratic party and start from scratch, or concede on a wedge issue like abortion.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 9:59 PM
Thanks Hypocritta,
Great signs. I'd say that was a real protest. The article saying it was the largest protest ever in Alaska.
wow....Barbra Streisand, "This Sarah Palin pulling women for Hillary away will not work!" We won't support her!"
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:00 PM
Where is Barack tonight? How much to join the dinner ? Make sure he is careful before he departs and he keeps his arrogant comments to the private party - we do not need any more clinger comments.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 10:00 PM
For the Record, Thanks Craig. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:03 PM
We're not getting paid, either, Craig.
Posted by: champ | September 16, 2008 10:04 PM
For the most part, people on this site are very interesting.
I've decided to just ignore the posts of 4 people and to concentrate on all the others.
I don't like the personal invective that a few use each day.
I had a choice of leaving or simply ignoring the few who trash up the site. Since doing so I have found the experience to be much more pleasant.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 10:04 PM
PIng, Good to see you again,
Obama is still in Colorado again tomorrow? If not, I believe he's going on to NM....
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:05 PM
By the way,
Viv, Rita and all the rest who are recovering from Ike. Karolenna is in the same predicament and doing better. Man you guys went through a lot!
K said there were 75 mile an hour winds and no rain went Ike went through her part of Ohio. lost os tress down and not a lot of people without power.
Has anyone seen DEX?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 7:36 PM
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Sheila, I was wondering about Karolenna, since I knew she lived in Ohio .. the winds were nothing like I've ever experienced before, I heard ours were around what Ohio got .. .. Ky was lucky, only 1 death .. Ohio has 4, that I know of ... sad, so sad ... there's still a lot of people w/o power tonight .. Duke Energy said they're working as fast as possible .. recalled all their crews who went to Tx & NC to help out ...
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 10:07 PM
So Oregon - Am I ignored...
Craigster - Did you do any time at the Brown Cow
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 10:09 PM
OH ... I wanted to share something I heard at my Doctor's office, might give ya smile... !:^D ... as Doc. Cook was walking me out, we passed a boy about 5 or 6 & a girl around 3, the boy was busy telling the nurse all about his power being out at his house & how they ruined his school & he couldn't go & he was sad ...
After we past them, Doc asked, "did he say he was sad about not going to school?, kind of chuckling ... I told him at that age alot of kids love school .. my daughter was the same , it was college that made her hate it ...
Oh, she FINALLY gradurated from college this past spring ... was on the Dean's list w/ a 4.0 the last semester ... now, she's saving for Writers School she wants to go to in NY ..
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 10:10 PM
Hale to Chef Sheila !! Hope all is well with you..
Good to be seen - Gosh now I feel that I was to aggressive on Criag earlier in the day !!
ahh not
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 10:11 PM
Also probably important to note that when my earlier blog morphed into this one, it represented a mixing of my professional and personal selves. Previously, I wrote columns for a living and maintained a separate personal blog on the side. Combining the two has meant tradeoffs, which I still wrestle with. But the technical challenges of maintaining a high-traffic blog was more than I could handle on my own. And overall I am so thankful to CQ for rescuing us and efficiently keeping us online (which, as some of you might recall, i was not doing so well). Still, I am eager to maintain the powerful sense of community we had with crawfordslist and will always be striving toward that. Thanks to all who help make it so.
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| September 16, 2008 10:15 PM
Craigster - I am very proud to be a part of Crawfordslist and find this as a great escape into another very real world.
Thanks for making it happen -- and to CQ also
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 10:18 PM
Thanks Craig. We are a neighborhood with all the crazy stuff that goes with it.
PING!!!! I have missed you my center right guy! You understand me! lol Remember my center left. ;0)
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:21 PM
Viv
I post Sept 16, 1:39 p,m. last thread.
I think it will help you feel better, and ease you pain.
Posted by: SolarCrete
| September 16, 2008 10:21 PM
Thanks for giving us a home, Craig. I wish others would be more respectful of that.
Posted by: zoey
| September 16, 2008 10:22 PM
Viv ,
They also need condoms for protection, did you know that that aids rate in Washington DC is 10%...it's a huge problem
Posted by: unlikely_burrito | September 16, 2008 9:15
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UB .. My Bad, ment to say that ... when I found out my son was sexuaally active, I bought his condoms ... only we didn't know at the time that he'd already fathered a child ...
My only grandson, Shawn, ( who is for BO all the way, lol) who turned 17 last Feb ... his Momwell, won't go into that, she signed Shawn over to my son when he was 6 & he's been with us ever since ... when Shawn was around 11, my son was finally able to buy his house & they've been happy ever since ... so , Yes, condoms are very important ... thanks for reminding me ..
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 10:28 PM
lol Viv...that's life.....we bought condoms really early, told all the kids.... that they had to use them....they looked at us like we were crazy.....maybe a tad bit too early....lol....
You are lucky to have Shawn in your life...children are so wonderful...they have a great way of looking at things. :0
Posted by: unlikely_burrito
| September 16, 2008 10:32 PM
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 9:31 PM
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I agree .. I should have talked to my son sooner, maybe it would have made a difference .. but thwen, I wouldn't have Shawn .. my daughter was young, since had to talk to her when she started .. which in my family has always been around 8 or 9 .. yes, pretty early to hear about the birds & the bees, but it had to be done ...
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 10:36 PM
"Gosh now I feel that I was to aggressive on Criag earlier in the day !!
ahh not -- Posted by: Ping Pong"
"not" is correct, ping. you're tough but fair
Posted by: Craig Crawford
| September 16, 2008 10:38 PM
Posted by: Craig Crawford | September 16, 2008 10:15 PM
Craigster - I am very proud to be a part of Crawfordslist and find this as a great escape into another very real world.
Thanks for making it happen -- and to CQ also
Posted by: Ping Pong | September 16, 2008 10:18
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Me too!!! My family is sooo sick of me talking about the GE .. this is the only place I can .. though, I find by time i read the post, most have already posted what I was thinking too, so only get a few opinion on Politics in, lol
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
Viv,
You sound like me. A great mom who cares deeply for her child and Shawn sounds like a blessing.
We are not perfect but we try. The blessing is not in the mistake, but in the way our children made it into a blessing. Good Kids make great parents and it all relfects on you.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
Just watching CNN on Obama's voter registration efforts. It shows them hanging around a gas station and walking around a neighborhood cold calling. It didn't seem like an efficient method to me. A lot of money for little results.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
Go have fun. Who is YOUR presidential candidate. Take the "match o matic" test
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/MatchoMatic/fullpage?id=5542139
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 10:50 PM
OK Chef Sheila and Viv and all.....
Question - in fact I have called my Congress People as I am Irate.
What right does the Federal Government have to block health care and Patient information on my 15 year old daughter from me? This is BS - and well known among this age group.
Why build a system that strips parents rights? I am responsible for her? Both as a parent for all matters, and besides who is paying the bill? Is the Fed going to take that over?
This is such BS and I want to make it an explosive issue as it is core to a values system that is so wrong and harmful to our country
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 10:54 PM
Poehler leaving SNL in a month or so
http://www.comcast.net/tv/seenontv/11363/poehlerleavingsnlforbabynewsitcom/
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 10:57 PM
Of course, I wasn't all the way, I missed two. But I am a solid Obama, Jamie.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:59 PM
Jamie
just what I've always suspected this year, no place for me. I kept looking for the none of the above button. I would read each statement and say "what a crock"
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 10:59 PM
Craig, just remember to use the "Prime Directive" from Star Trek to guide your guardianship of Trailmix.
Which brings us to Bill Mahr and William Shatner discussing how the Prime Directive would be implemented today as US foreign policy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_K3gtl7nPI
Posted by: spike | September 16, 2008 11:00 PM
Ping Pong,
Can't you just ask her what you what to know?
I get your point but I don't know all the privacy laws including minors.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 11:02 PM
PP,
As I recall if shes gives you permission you can see the records.
I remember my wife being upset that she couldn't be in the CCU with me with my doctor without my permission.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 11:08 PM
Rezdog, Yes and she signed a release so we have access, But for some this system created by the PC Federal Government has created a dark hole for children to hide from the parents and keep parents from doing the right thing.
This must change - this is no business of any law to take away a parents rights and more importantly RESPONSIBILITY.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 11:09 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146349
Champ I have no idea why you have made it your mission today to cause as much dissention and anger as you can drum up, but the act is getting really really old.
Solar Crete, UB and I have had our differences at time, but she is a decent person. Don't let troublemakers like Champ color your view of others.
We are genuinely working on trying to reestablish the neighborhood that this place was before primary season. A little cooperation towards that goal would be appreciated.
Please stick to issues not personalities.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 11:11 PM
Do you agree that I should not have to get a childs permission? I am the parent / legal guardian / pay the bills........ I can see at 18 years old or 21 or if I was not legal custody....
Now the hammer - which candidate to you think supports the loss of the parents rights?
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 11:11 PM
Jamie
You got a frog in your pocket? What we?
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 11:12 PM
Ping.
That is something I don't like either. I would would want to know. But the government is not able to make exceptions at this point. And that is Incest. I would want anychild to go and take care of a problem like that if they couldn't go to the authorities.
I personally know a woman who fought her father and finally had him put away for incest. By the time she had taken care of him, other family members had been raped and children taken from their mothers and it was a mess because her husband left her too.
She had an abortion. These children are really screwed up in the head and in their heart. its a mess. So, when I say the govenement is not able to make exceptions, its because of these children.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 11:14 PM
It makes sense that a parent should be able to access the medical records for the minor child with whom they have custody. I don't remember the debate about minor's privacy rights. I know there was one but I wasn't paying attention.
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 16, 2008 11:16 PM
Jack
I forced myself to choose on all the questions, but there were a few where I had the same reaction ... neither of these answers is worth the pixels used to transmit them.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 11:16 PM
Chef Sheila - I agree in that case and the child must be protected and the criminal must be taken away. I to sadly know of a situation.
This must be the exception -
I will come back in a few weeks with more comments after I speak with Dem Bill Nelsons office and Mel Martinez. -- also a littl study to correlate possible impacts.
Hey Craig - maybe ground breaking news..... Lets see.
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 11:17 PM
Off to bed and travels. Catch up when I can...
Best to all and Craig if I make DC will look you up... My treat this time
Posted by: Ping Pong
| September 16, 2008 11:19 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146435
Read Sheila's messages ... and yes I've had a few words with her as well.
Let's see if a little oil can be spread on the troubled waters.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 11:20 PM
ping pong..no
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | September 16, 2008 11:21 PM
Jamie
I just got 3 or 4 in and then I just started clicking on the left one Most of the statements were easy to spot althought the last 5or 6 I'm not even sure I read them.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 11:22 PM
Obama proposes a tax plan that will cut taxes for 95% of Americans.
GOP logic - Obama voted in the past for a tax increase - so he will raise taxes if elected.
Under that logic - John McCain voted for the Iraq War - so he will start dumb wars if elected.
Increased taxes for the rich - or more wars....you decide.
Posted by: warren
| September 16, 2008 11:27 PM
Jamie
Sheila has done nothing but call me names since she has "come back". I have been very careful to only talk issues if I direct a comment to her. So no I don't believe she is one of the ones trying.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 11:32 PM
I like the move on here to get back to the issues. Let's see if the Country will follow suit.
Posted by: warren
| September 16, 2008 11:41 PM
Jack, Thats just not true. Stop calling me one of the minions and stop implying that I am one of the evil ones. Stop impying and digging that I am stupid.
I said before I have cared about you in the past. That can still be true. But stop the prejudice.
And Jamie understands me. She knows I would never attack without provocation first. So please don't do this. Just get past it and move on.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 11:42 PM
OD@9:54 p.m.
Thanks for your interesting discussion of the process your fellow volunteers are going through. I could feel their frustration.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 11:43 PM
Viv
I post Sept 16, 1:39 p,m. last thread.
I think it will help you feel better, and ease you pain.
Posted by: SolarCrete | September 16, 2008 10:21
=====================
Solar .... I love juice & all of the veggie's/fruit you mentioned ... been wanting to get one of those Juicers, just not gotten around it ... I like to mix them .. Apple & orange, is good but have to drink in moderation,, since orange is high in natural sugars ... I also like to take juice & mix with sugar free koolaid ... like pinapple juice & raseberry koolaid, yummy ...
But am not a Tequila person at all ... more of a Bud light or Sloe Gin ... lol
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 11:44 PM
Obama has basically proved that he doesn't get the problem..
He offers a laundrylist of special interest tax breaks and pay offs. He then calls it economic policy.
We are having a crises of faith in our economic system.
Capital and money are now moble and they move quickly out of places that are deemed dangerous. No amount of money from the federal treasury can overcome this out flow.
We are a credit using nation, the smart use of credit is what keeps us ahead. With out it we can't survive as the nation we want to be.
The first thing we need to do is assure the world that Americans pay their debt. If this crises continues we will lose our good reputation. and our credit rating
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 16, 2008 11:44 PM
Thanks so much. This has been a great evening and I'm sure this will get nothing bu beter from here on in.
I have to watch get ready to watch Saving Grace soon. Jamie have you gotten into the new one on Monday night yet? I'm pretty sad Closer is over for the season.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 11:45 PM
I don't care for the new show, but I am now hooked on the new HBO series, True Blood.
Did you have Saving Grace recorded? It seemed to end rather abruptly this season.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 11:51 PM
Why Obama's plan to tax the rich makes sense:
We need to pay down the deficit and we are still fighting two wars. So increasing taxes is not about redistribution of wealth - it is about real need.
By increasing taxes on the rich - we can decrease the burden on the lower and middle class. The lower and middle class is strapped. And when they fall on tough times - they start not paying bills - e.g., rise in foreclosures. The pain trickles up.
When you increase taxes 2-3% on the super rich - they still purchase $600 Jimmy Choos and blow cash on cocaine and hookers.
Also - when I was working in NYC over the past 5 years - salaries for many of those that would be affected by Obama's tax cuts rose by way more than 2-3%. The same cannot be said for most lower and middle class jobs - assuming they still exist.
Posted by: warren
| September 16, 2008 11:51 PM
We are not perfect but we try. The blessing is not in the mistake, but in the way our children made it into a blessing. Good Kids make great parents and it all relfects on you.
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 10:47 PM
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Well Sheila ... I know I'm blessed ... even w/all the health problems .. when I couldn't work anymore .. both of my kids stepped right up to the plate & took care of me ,,,, for 5 long years, they paid for everything, meds, bills, clothes & even took me out regularly to dinner ...
when ever I whined about them doing it, my son & daughter would tell me to shut up!! tell me I'm not a burden, I'm their Mom ... it's also brought us a lot closer ... we don't ever hang up the phone until we say "love you" & they always give me lots of hugs ... which we all know that's helps to lift your spirits so much ...
viv
Posted by: Viv
| September 16, 2008 11:55 PM
"Thanks so much. This has been a great evening and I'm sure this will get nothing bu beter from here on in. " sheila@11:45
This must have been misposted--you sure can't be talking about here.
Posted by: Flatus
| September 16, 2008 11:55 PM
Jack:
Obama doesn't get the problem?
If we need to pay our debt - why does McCain now support the Bush tax cuts - that he once rightly opposed.
The Bush tax cuts were and are stupid. But the GOP mantra of: "I will not raise taxes" - prevents the "Maverick" from doing the right thing.
Posted by: warren
| September 16, 2008 11:56 PM
Been watching what I can't see on "On Demand" my savior for it all. I watch that new BBCA show about a rift between Dinosaurland and now on "On Demand" ;0)
Was the last Grace last week? Where Ham told her to get away? He was going to ask for a new partner?
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 16, 2008 11:57 PM
And let's not forget the major reason for the dramatic increase in the national deficit - Neocon Foreign Policy.
Posted by: warren
| September 16, 2008 11:58 PM
Jack
How about just declaring a truce ... or do you just want to go on with the "late unpleasantness" like some old Confederate playing sniper in the hills.
All we have asked is that you take a step back and give it a try.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 16, 2008 11:59 PM
Viv,
you ARE blessed. what a wonderful set of children. Wow!
Posted by: Chef Sheila | September 17, 2008 12:03 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146461
Yes. It just just didn't seem like a season ender, but I'll double check on demand to be sure I didn't miss one by mistake.
Posted by: Jamie
| September 17, 2008 12:05 AM
Speaking of GOP's policies that have gotten us into the current mess...
"Was Jimmy Carter Right?" (from 2005)
"Carter faced a crisis from a combination of economic problems, failed policies of his predecessors and, finally, an Iranian revolution that cut access to some Middle Eastern oil.
Carter met the problems by starting sweeping oil-reduction reforms, including creation of the Cabinet-level Department of Energy.
He began spending millions of dollars researching alternative sources for electrical power, including solar power. He got utilities to cut their use of oil for electricity and ramp up their use of natural gas or coal.
"Up until Carter, we were getting about 20 percent of our electricity from oil generation," said Jay Hakes, director of the Energy Information Administration under Carter and an authority on modern presidents and oil. "And post-Carter, it went down to about 3 percent."
Carter insisted that U.S. automakers build more fuel-efficient cars, with a goal of 27.5 miles per gallon over the following decade - a requirement passed under Gerald Ford but put into force by Carter.
He offered incentives for getting oil from shale, creating a boom initially in the Rockies - and a bust when it failed to be cost-effective. He offered deductions for using solar water heaters in homes and commercial buildings.
. . .
Then Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan in 1980. The solar panels at the White House eventually came down - and Reagan and his aides gutted the solar research program."
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:08 AM
Sheila: Ike turned N'East and , for us, combined with a storm cell that moved over from Illinois, and we had light winds and a lot of rain for three days, lots of flooding in the flood plains but we are never affected by that where we live.
Chicago set a record Saturday at O'Hare with some ridiculous total of like 6.18 inches of rain in one day...whatever it was, it blew away the old record easily.
Galveston's beach areas are a toxic, fish-killing stew of poison and destruction...it's awful.
Yes, it's me...after a power outage during a computer session fried my computer, I had to get the disks out and re-install ack tofactory settings, and TypeKey gave me more problems than anything in the re-installation process...would NOT let me call myself "Dexter" any longer so I used "DexterJohnson", a name I use elsewhere...I call everybody "Johnson"...it started when LBJ was POTUS and I was a kid going door-to-door "gettin' out the vote" with an LBJ pin on my chest.
Posted by: DexterJohnson
| September 17, 2008 12:09 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146228
Jack
Very interesting.I get the sense here in Central Florida that its going to be tough for Obama! I only see McCain/Palin yard signs,I've seen some Obama bumper stickers though.In my circle of business clients, acquaintances and friends at my local gym its overwhelmingly McCain, especially since he chose Palin....Maybe South Florida ,which tends to be overwhelmingly Democratic will carry the state for Obama?
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 17, 2008 12:09 AM
Drill here, drill now (and let our kids deal with the next crisis).
Or actually work on a comprehensive energy plan.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm
Vote Obama - the stakes are too high and another 4 years is too long.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:12 AM
An excellent comprehensive report on government takeover of AIG. A must read for all investors:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122156561931242905.html#articleTabs=article
Posted by: Flatus
| September 17, 2008 12:13 AM
Champ, Jack and Sturgeon
Thanks for trying tonight. But we know how hopeless it is.
They'll never see the things we see. It's all make believe and pretend with them.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:17 AM
chloe:
I see that your comment is a way to pat yourself on the back instead of defending "the things" you see.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:20 AM
You see what you want to see Warren. But you're wrong.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:25 AM
"How about just declaring a truce"
Jamie
I declared a truce about sheila a long time ago. It mostly consists of ignoring her. I will try harder to do it more often.
The reason is any discussion with Sheila where there is not total agreement is only going to end one way.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 17, 2008 12:27 AM
I know I am wasting my breath here. But I want Champ and Jack and a few others to know I understand what they're saying, I support them and I'm sorry they were mistreated. If you don't like that and want to turn my motives into something selfish and self serving, I don't care. I stopped caring about that a while back. There's nothing you can say that will make me feel bad.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:28 AM
And what makes you different chloe.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:29 AM
If you're a Democrat and you prefer wine over beer, you are an "elitist." If you're a Republican and you prefer a beer heiress over your first wife, you are a "committed family man."
From: http://www.thatminoritything.com/
Posted by: Rezdog
| September 17, 2008 12:29 AM
Hey Chloe
Looked for you this morning,my friends and I are in withdrawal not having all those wonderful links you provide to us.A Big pat on the back from me and my friends!! HA HA
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 17, 2008 12:30 AM
Your wasting your breath with you begin or end or post with an insult chloe.
If you actually have something to say - try it without the dig.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:31 AM
Believe me Warren. I'm different. Because I care. I listen. I empathize. I feel. I like you Warren, I pay attention. This had nothing to do with you. You make sense. I'm not sure why you chose to challenge how I felt about this. It shouldn't matter to you. But this was not about me. I see this as good vs. evil. That's how I see life.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:34 AM
I say it anyway I please Warren. And if you consider it a dig, that's your problem, not mine.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:35 AM
Tony, Thanks!
I adore you.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:36 AM
chloe
I am not sure what I stepped into - and have not read what took place earlier on the blog.
I just took offense at the condescension from your intial post:
"Thanks for trying tonight. But we know how hopeless it is. They'll never see the things we see. It's all make believe and pretend with them."
(I guess I was just a little trigger happy since I can sometimes be accused of living in the land of "make believe" ; )
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:38 AM
That wasn't condescension.
I was talking to those who see it the way I see it.
I was talking to those who would know what I meant.
I don't have an arrogant, condescending bone in my body.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:41 AM
Well, thanks Chloe, though I doubt those two want to be associated with me, and quite frankly I don't blame them. I don't regret anything I've said, either. I could write much more, but there's no point. Hope you're doing well down there; keep your eyes sharp.
BTW, you rule, tony.
Posted by: champ | September 17, 2008 12:42 AM
Chloe
Same here!! You are never offending!! I love your loyalty and honesty and you have every right to express it and this blog is better for it.............Have a good night all..
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 17, 2008 12:43 AM
Craig,
This post was disappointing...
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146388
You missed a golden opportunity to declare "The fundementals of this blog are strong..."
At the very least you came out with a resounding declaration for deregulation that must find it's way into a future column...lol
Posted by: Bear
| September 17, 2008 12:43 AM
Champ,
The problem is, I agree with everything you said.
I don't understand why you say demeaning things about yourself simply because you recognize the hypocrisy of what goes on here.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:45 AM
Anyways. beyond all the partisan nonsense and hurt feelings - those are some really interesting articles about Jimmy Carter.
They guy was dead right on the energy issue - and he was ridiculed for it.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/16/jimmy-carter-was-right/2
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:46 AM
If you want to offer input into the Obama campaign...have at it...
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/surv9page1
Posted by: Bear
| September 17, 2008 12:47 AM
Champ
Thanks!Glad your here MR!
Posted by: tonyb39
| September 17, 2008 12:49 AM
(I guess I was just a little trigger happy since I can sometimes be accused of living in the land of "make believe" ; )"
Nothing wrong with that. As long as you don't try to drag other people in there with you. That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how some try to control others.
Have a good evening Warren.
nite.
Posted by: chloe
| September 17, 2008 12:50 AM
You too chloe.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 12:53 AM
Warren
What happened to Carters energy plan was that supply and demand worked. The high oil prices of the 70's created a boom in the oil patch of t
Texas and Wyoming with a lot of new drilling. I knew several people that let town to work in the oil fields. It also promoted drilling around the world. By the late eighties oil had been cut in half or lower. In 79 I was paying around 2 dollars a gallon by 89 it was down th $0.70 a gallon.
It will happen again but there are fewer places not explored and they are mostly in unfriendly hands.
why do I say this. It is because of a fact I read awhile back all of the deep sea drilling platforms are booked for the next 5 years. That means drilling and exploration is in full swing.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 17, 2008 1:00 AM
But I am sure a lot of people thought Jimmy Carter was living in the land of make believe when he brought up these crazy ideas like alternative energy and getting off our dependence on foreign oil...
And I sure as heck wish he was able to drag enough other people in there with him to actually do something 30 years ago.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 1:03 AM
Fair point Jack.
But I think in the new information age - demand can be influenced by factors other than price.
We need to "market" alternative energy. Make windmills and solar panels "cool" - and rich people will start buying them. And as they become more common - the price will go down.
Also, I get the whole supply and demand argument - but I think a Government's role is to step in with legislation where normal market forces will run counter to long-term goals.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 1:12 AM
Warren
You are talking about taxes. who gets what is important to individual and groups but over all we are part of the same pot. neither party is going too far in out on a limb.
In the ninties we saw a change in our credit markets. They became international. In some ways that is good for the world. It allows unpresedented growth to occur in may nations that had been written off as beyond help in the 70's
This is now a fact of life. Capital goes where it gets the best return for it's risk. It is not just some big corporation. who engage in capital flight each of us who have an over seas fund are doing it too.
And it is all done at the click of a mouse.
If we no longer look like a safe place to put our money then we no longer have access to easy money.
It will affect you in your personal loans, me in my business loans, Small and large businesses that want to expand. then we will see a stagnation that no amount of tax breaks or free givaways from uncle sam will cure.
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 17, 2008 1:19 AM
I agree Jack. And in that respect - I think there is a tangible value in the "hope" and "inspiration" of Obama's rhetoric.
I don't think the excitement in Europe and elsewhere is based on the idea that Obama will run this Country into the ground.
It is based on the notion that Obama will turn the page on Bush.
To a certain degree - I agree with those that say the actual policies under either an Obama or McCain administration will not be as drastically as they seem on the campaign trail. And so it is the intangible qualities of an Obama administration that appeal to me.
A surge in public service, a new generation activated and energized by politics, and an immediate shot in the arm to our reputation and credibility around the world.
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 1:27 AM
Warren that last post was to an earlier reply to some of my musings. I aimed to link it. I also aimed to proof read it but hit submit instead of preview
It is late time for bed
BTW , warren as one who has called you naieve may I say you have moved beyond just cheer leading into interesting discussion. It looks better on you.
Although, you did look good in that short skirt.
grin , duck and run
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| September 17, 2008 1:27 AM
"as drastically [different]"
Good night everyone - from the land of make believe...
(And remember - if you believe something (or even if you don't) - and you say it over and over again in response to every question - often it will become "true" ; )
Posted by: warren
| September 17, 2008 1:31 AM
bye, bye Carly!
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 17, 2008 2:23 AM
State dept flying families out of Bolivia since they ousted our US Ambassador..
Posted by: julie young | September 17, 2008 2:41 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-inflates.html
McCain voted for this - Obama as usual did not even show up for the vote.
Posted by: julie young | September 17, 2008 2:51 AM
Carol; 10:21 am previous thread ..... "troopergate", this would not be tolerated in my area either. If I had of been Palin, he would have been fired and then charged with threatening - the guy's a creep.............
OD; 9:54 pm ................ Watching Hillary and Diane Sawyer was, to say the least, saddening that we have to put up with the backroom boys choice. I hear an awful lot about what will happen to the supreme court if Mc/Palin are elected. but, and I really stress this, it's total BS.....Women's rights, PUHLEEZ, women don't have any rights, the way that Hillary was blown off by the obots and the DNC and the msm is pretty substantial proof of that. Even Palin, the curveball that she was, is only window dressing. It's a boys club and they'll do anything they have to to keep it that way.......
Chloe; Darlin', I would take to wearing turtlenecks if I was you, cover up your jugular, or they will hurt you..
Mr. Crawford; As I have said before, a few times, I personally, am extremely grateful for a place to - I was going to say discuss, but you can't discuss with the BC's - so I guess I better say vent. Thanks awfully and I promise to try to behave...............................................
Rita
Posted by: politicallypissed
| September 17, 2008 3:07 AM
Oh yeah, and throw away the key, please.
Posted by: xrepublican
| September 17, 2008 4:40 AM
Good Morning XGOP and anyone else who might be peeking in here in the wee hours.
I just read through the evenings thread. Whew! I need to open a window now -- all that sulfur.
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 4:49 AM
Car bombs at the US embassy in Yemen.
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 4:52 AM
yumpin' yemeni........
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 5:03 AM
Wrong on just about every account, xrep, but I'm glad you got a kick out of it. I'm certainly not Max; he was a lot smarter than I and quite frankly made much more relevant and substantiated posts than I ever have, but he didn't agree with the mob and was run off accordingly. He was also more cordial than I, now that I think of it.
I don't support McCain or Bush, and am as disgusted if not more than anyone else regarding the catastrophic Bush Administration. I've said so numerous times. As you are an ideologue, I know you would prefer to categorize everyone who doesn't agree with you a "Republican". Whatever works for you; doesn't make it true.
I certainly don't feel I was made a fool, quite the opposite, but I suppose that's subjective and I'm biased. Some people like to gang up on others, I suppose because they feel they are fighting the good fight and must win at any cost, integrity be damned. If they want to gang up on me, fine; I'm game. I can be pretty brutal and I don't mince words; duplicity has never been my strong suit.
I don't change my name, either. I stand by my words, assume culpability and apologize for them when warranted. "champ" is anonymous enough.
Moot points all, as I'm gone. It took me a while, but I've finally figured out how this place works. You win. Obama will win. You'll have your utopia soon, and then you can start throwing dissidents in jail. Have fun with that.
Posted by: champ | September 17, 2008 5:08 AM
Nancy Pfotenhauer is McCain's spokesperson. Her last name is so unique I wondered if she was related to this guy I once knew from the Oregon delegation -- Kurt Pfotenhauer. Gotta be -- I never met Kurt's wife, but I remembered she was something of a GOP operative herself. Hmmm..I wonder what Kurt is up to these days....
Wouldn't you know that he was the top lobbyist for the Mortgage Bankers!
DC Power Couples.......
Kurt Pfotenhauer senior vice president, Mortgage Bankers Association
Nancy Pfotenhauer conservative activist
He's a former chief of staff to Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.). At the age of 24, she served on President George H. W. Bush's transition team, and was appointed by the current president as a delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. She is a director emerita of the Independent Women's Forum, an antifeminist organization funded by conservative philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife. In 2004, Washingtonian magazine named her one of the city's most important conservative leaders.
More on dirty Nancy....Who has tried very hard to bury her long-time affiliation with the notorious Koch Industries
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/06/28/dirty-nancy-pfotenhauer/
Kurt has moved on recently to become the to the CEO for the American Land TItle Association -- just ahead of the mortgage crisis chickens coming to roost in McCain's political ambitions.
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 5:12 AM
yep......i fail to recall the showing anyone up for a fool part also.......the only negative I posted about was regarding bri-nyc and his blogging personality, with a few shots at the Chef.......
But I'll think about all that tomorrow......after all.....tomorrow is another day.
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 5:14 AM
Sturge -- It's already tomorrow! LOL
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 5:26 AM
uh oh......well, I still cant think about it.......I have to concentrate on the 12 foot red oak bar top with chicago bar rail and red oak tambour covered base and stainless steel motor drive shaft for a foot rest.......all in all, much more pleasant to think about that than blog wars.......
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 5:35 AM
Sturgeone; 5:14 am .........."Tomorrow is another day", "The only thing that matters Katie Scarlett, is the land".................................................................
Rita
Posted by: politicallypissed
| September 17, 2008 5:49 AM
Sturg
right part of the country, you must be related to Scarlett O'Hara, eh?.... I will think about it tomorrow.... :)
Posted by: julie young | September 17, 2008 5:55 AM
Rita
Looks like we both had the same thing in mind - Scarlett , you just beat me to it.
Julie
Posted by: julie young | September 17, 2008 5:58 AM
the old one arrived in 1748, and his grandson married an O'Hara so I guess with a genuine O'Hara in the woodpile, i qualify.......but frankly, I dont.....oh, wait....that was the Butler.......and he came on back to chawson.....oh, well.....back to the bar................lol
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 6:05 AM
Scarlett had good sense enough to collaborate with the nasty bluecoats and saved Tara.......ours in Merriwether County Ga. became truly gone with the wind.....except for the cemetary........
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 6:08 AM
Scarlett didn't collaborate with Yankees -- she was in Atlanta visiting Aunti PittyPat and birthin' Melanie's baby.
The Yankees used Tara as a headquarters and pretty much tore it up. They just didn't burn it down when they left, like they did to Ashely's Twelve Oaks.
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 6:34 AM
xrep - for the first time I have to disagree with you. I know Champ has been sharp and sarcastic and abstruse - but he has been honest as to his feelings. His manner of speech has been no more forceful than several others you do not single out. I understand your reaction to some of Champ's postings but wish you would find the same faults in those others who are equally 'guilty'.
Boy, does that sound stuffy. I really mean it, xrep - I agree with you on just about everything but the same
"problem" lies with more than a few here. I have to stick up for Champ's right to be as irritating as anyone else.
Champ - I know you will understand my point. (right?)
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 17, 2008 6:39 AM
wiki
Scarlett marries Rhett and finds marriage to him surprisingly pleasant. Other than refusing to help Ashley Wilkes, Rhett completely spoils her. Scarlett begins spending time with the newly rich Yankees, who are portrayed as having few if any scruples. Scarlett builds a mansion and spends money lavishly. The Old Guard decide to cut Scarlett and Rhett out of society for keeping company with Yankees and flaunting their wealth.
well, a fine point, but she saved Tara before this time I guess......
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 6:46 AM
champ - I just read the previous posts. Don't you dare leave - that's the easy way out. You've had a lot of positive comments from the rest of the people here so you have to know that many agree with you much of the time. Being strafed by one person or several doesn't mean much in the long run.
Heck, I don't agree with much of what you post, but I can see that you're trying to work thru the info you get everyday from the media and the other posts you read everyday because you want to know what you believe in the middle of the chaos. I wish every body thought about their beliefs as carefully as you do. You're honest about it and not hidebound and not tied to any allegiance other than your own beliefs. Keep on truckin'. So sayeth the old lady.
Posted by: bethyboo
| September 17, 2008 6:53 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccains-fundamental-gaffe.html#comment-146543
Sturge -- That part came after the WAR and after she devoured a dirt-laden root vegetable in the barren fields of Tara, cursing the Yankees and vowing "As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again. "
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 6:59 AM
alicia......right.....that's what I meant when I said she had already saved tara before this alleged fraternization with the yankers......ie she didnt save tara by collaboration but by marrying frank.......
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 7:04 AM
Sturge -- Right. She saved Tara from the carpetbagging tax assessors by marrying Frank so she could pay them off. This was after she had a visit with Rhett in the horse jail and found out he couldn't access his money.
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 7:08 AM
Sturge -- So is this bar going into your house or your club?
Posted by: Alicia Knight
| September 17, 2008 7:11 AM
a customer's lake house......I cant afford anything so nice.......lol
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 7:13 AM
New Thread
Posted by: New Thread | September 17, 2008 7:29 AM
we know......we's just chattin'
Posted by: sturgeone | September 17, 2008 7:32 AM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: Jamie
| September 17, 2008 10:16 AM
These economic issues pose a real dilemma for me. While Obama knows nothing about any issues except what his 1960s elders want him to know (i.e., class warfare and welfare empowerment), McCain's head-in-the-sand attitude about the economy just about makes it impossible for me to vote for him as well. As a Texan, I know Phil Gramm has the soul of prison guard and a heart of coal. Putting these two in charge of the economy would be every bit as disastrous as putting Obama in charge, only for different reasons. Ron Paul understands the problems to a point, but his solutions are stuck in the 19th century.
Posted by: Dale | September 17, 2008 11:58 AM
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