Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The people Craig interviewed all made sense..they seem to be thoughtful.

Perhaps we could get them to take part on this blog.

It would be nice to have some thoughtful new posters instead of the small group that spends 18 hours a day posting the same old predictable drivel.

IT happened yesterday. The sound of silence is deafening!

Gordo - I'm confused. I figured you were saying 9/24/08 was supposed to be a bad day for Obama, a huge surprise. What are you referring to here? I think it was bad for McCain.

at least mccain is willing to go and shake things up '' piss people off '' knock a few heads together
fire some folks to get there attention
while obama acts aloof and above it all
i guess he's just too cool to get in the mix

we could have already had presidential debates
if obama had taken up on mccains challenge
for town hall debates any time ''anywhere
obama decline and only agreed to three
formal debates''

I dont know what the repubs have up their sleeves but it scares me....
One news caster last night warned that BO should be careful with his questioning of JmC wanting to delay the debates. He (BO) refused to debate HRC for many months...
Everyone is screaming that it is over and that BO has won. Although I do think that BO will win, I would not count out JmC as of yet, and certainly not after what happened today. I think what happened today may well be his ticket to rise again in the polls. Take my word for it... It is a strategy of focussing away from what the issue really is and making a call that everything else can wait... It may find a following.....

mqw,

There is no need for any 'debate' now. mccain has made at last the dingbat decision that discredits him as ethically and intellectually unworthy.

Jeff Greenfield's Law states that Bugs Bunny (the cool character) always beats Daffy Duck (the half-cocked half-bake flake). mccains's decision to tell Letterman that he can't appear on the show, 'cuz he has to go to Washington to cure the banking catastrophe, is bad enough. However, getting caught at a Couric interview, when he's supposed to be either on Letterman or a flight to Washington, is just plain crazy. That is crazy, as in "Daffy".

Wednesday was a bad day for SoetorObama. His "hidden" past continues to threaten his "desired" future. The TRUTH will destroy him.

who cares what letterman thinks
or if he feels insulted
he can always fill in the time slot
with old monica lewinsky jokes
him and leno seems to never tire of them
anyway

mqw,

Right, it doesn't matter what Letterman thinx.

What matters is that mccain got caught on camera telling a lie. He was pretending to be Mr. Noble Spirit again, and this time he got caught cheating. Being untrustworthy is a serious character flaw. Nobody likes liars.

Oops. I meant he got caught in his lie, while on camera in Couric's studio, when he had told people he couldn't do Letterman 'cuz he'd be on a plane. Instead of the plane, he made a date to campaign on Couric's show.

Untrustworthy.

Thanks, Ms view,

1. Claim to put your Country above your Self Interest.
2. Next, drop out of the debate and the12 minutes of Letterman "inorder to fly to the rescue" of the Nation.
3. Third, instead of actually flying to the rescue, sneak into Couric's studio and secretly put your Self-Interest above your Country, by taping a political interview.
4. Finally, get caught.

Who needs a debate after that ?

I'm falling asleep at the keyboard.

Goodnight again !

obamacrats will be calling for mccain to drop out
of the race ''' no need for debates or a messy election
like they srceamed for hillary to drop out the last
three months of the primaries''
lets just go ahead and have the coronation now
we don't won't to stress poor little obama''
he's so sensitive

Craig, Oh my……
The Economy has to do with Numbers, Literal lawyers as you are to stay away of things with numbers beyond polls.
BAD GRADE for significant and substantial failure to accurately reflect the National Crisis.
BAD GRADE for Obama for the same - he is the one using it as Politics.

Question,
Does anyone of the posters on this Blog really understand the danger that this economic situation presents?

This is a serious crisis and all need to dig in.

This blog for the most part represents the want it now, easy button society that along with PC correct policy is part of the problem.

Jason = Thoughtful post.

Now Jason connect the depth of the real problem - do you want your leader out running ads and running a race - or do you want him to dig in to patch the hole in the ship that you are on that is sinking?

No blame as Dems and Reps are more then equal in the failure to allow this to happen.

Clueless at The Coffee Pot by Craig Crawford and Barack Obama

Sound the Alarm and Take Action by John McCain

Good morning all!
Bethyboo- Yes, I'm still here, been getting ready for a harvest festival, creating new products and putting together an auction for tomorrow, so I haven't had any free time. Also, had reached a new level of discouragement with this campaign and the state of the country which was compounded when I would check in and see people being attacked or at least harassed- sometimes its just too toxic. I saw your post and that was so very kind of you to think of me and suggest that book. I'll put in for it at the library today!

Sturge- I understand your frustration but please don't leave. I want to thank you for your insight, but especially the many laughs, thank you.

Gordo- Been wondering where you were at! I saw the piece on Fox last night and thought of you.

"he [McCain]was suspending his campaign and had to leave immediately to get back to Washington., Letterman got word that McCain -- who had announced his candidacy on "The Late Show" way back when -- did not, in fact, rush back to the capital. Instead, he plugged his decision to suspend his campaign, bail on Friday night's debate with Democratic nominee Barack Obama and race back to Washington over on CBS's evening newscast. He was, in fact, taping an interview with Katie Couric.."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092404091.html

Here's Hillary's editorial from the WP- Let's Keep People In Their Homes

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html

Oldseahag....

Good message from Hillary,

Shows she does understand the crisis and is going beyond just words but is also sounding the Alarm and taking action. Very Presidential

Bill was on track also this morning. Listen to his message. Obama people might not like it

Craig....
great video..... Obama supporters think ill of McCain's decision and the lone McCain supporter called it "classic McCain"...... ~~~~~now who could have predicted that ~~~~~

the only interesting comment, IMO, was from the undecided voter.... he saw the wanting of a debate delay as an obvious tactical move, but said he liked McCain...... hard to read into them tea leaves...... I would have loved to have a conversation with him.....

have a lot to do today..... everyone take care....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obamas-amazing-rural-opportuni.html#comment-150156

Bethy
Real good post."Do I get to pick the one I WOULD like to leave?????Its not who you think." Oh are we ever on the same page....

9/11 Sir Viva.........errorism, indeed......a comedy of errorism........

Sturge
Good Morning..Its always a pleasure to read you...Glad your here...

Hey Ping Pong- Where can I find Big Dawg this morning?

In my eyes it's quite simply a choice of being a major player at the table while a decision is being developed on what will certainly be the most significant financial legislation in decades, or of making one's self unavailable because of the perceived importance of having a stellar appearance at a debate on foreign policy. Some things can be left to staff to handle; this isn't one of those things.

The Big dawg was on ABC for his global programs. Of course the current CRISIS was the first subject.

Very interesting and insightful of Big Dawg Bill – He and Hillary are on the same page – which continues to be very different then that of Barack.

Flatus- agreed.

mornin' all.

Gordo - you're so obtuse and mysterious. Good thing that bad day for Obama was also obtuse and escaped the notice of the electorate.

I think McCain looks like an idiot - putting out a political talking points memo about his moves to suspend politics is too Orwellian even for me. Barney Frank nailed him - what's he doing - dropping in to save us from a solution that;s rapidly being worked out in his absence?

"Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me."

If it was so important to him, wouldn't he have also cancelled his talk at Clinton's Global Initiative event, or is Clinton's event more important than either the economic crisis or the election of the next leader of the free world? And he might have cancelled the Couric interview too if he wanted to sound at all convincing. flatus, my friend, he's doing wool pulling because he doesn't like the direction the campaign is taking. And if it was so important to him, why did he wait until yesterday instead of getting engaged Tuesday when the proposal was being presented for 5 hours on the hill? Sorry, but I don't buy it.

And actually mqw, McCain is the one saying "Stop the race, no time for debates." You named the right song, you just got the wrong singer.

And make that - why did he wait until yesterday to announce that he was suspending his campaign today after speaking at the CGI event?

Here's a post from creepy Dick Morris, I do think he has a point though. I guess we'll see.
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/09252008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/o_stumps_as_john_trumps_130637.htm

I rather like his mysteriousness!

Is it Denial?
Is it lack of Understanding and ignorance?
Is it political move resulting from anticipated gains during an economic Crisis?

Why would Sen. Obama not put Country First?

Why the failure of most Americans to understand the importance to find a solution?

John McCain is again acting on instinct - and again he is correct - and yes pogo a little late but better late then sorry.

oh, that Harold Meyerson is one smart cookie at times.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403918.html

Craig,

Loved the interviews. It would be a nice feature for MSNBC or CQ to send you across country doing those coffee shop drop ins. I'm sure a resident trailmixer would be glad to find a unique place for your in each nearby community.

It was nice that it wasn't a crowd, just a small group of real people.

On the issue of stopping the debate, I think it is silly. With today's modern communications system, even if they had to be in DC, they could still put up a big screen in Mississippi for the audience and moderator there. This whole ploy of "I can't do that because I have to be there" just doesn't fly any more. We literally can be in two or more places at once.

Today's video I liked a lot........I really enjoy seeing the regular "folks" out there who just think what they think and say it out the way they feel it.......I hope there are many more of these to come......besides.......probably some great bluegrass going on as well.......cue up: "Make me a pallet on your Floor"...........lol

OSH - yeah, keeps ya guessing doesn't he?

Ping - sorry, it's BS. McCain wasn't putting country first. He was posturing. Getting caught doing the events you want to do before riding to the rescue doesn't exactly underline your positon that you're putting country first - rather it undermines that position. To steal Meyerson's words "McCain's ploy was transparent." And no need to argue it back and forth - you've stated your position, I've stated mine, and we're not going to agree on this.

Pogo

In political campaigns, there are no referees and you and your clique can call your self the victor everyday but the only call that counts is election day.

We don't get much national campaigning in California but some of the cable channels carry the national ads. The McCain campaign doesn't care what a few people said about his Raines ad -- it is still running.

I'm not sure people inside the beltway have a clue what matters to people living in the rest of the US.

The media has disgraced itself and proved to be incredible
and the Shrubs are beyond incompetent. McCain needs to further separate himself. I think he did that.

Also I thought the Obama message got confused. First everyone was complaining that he would get stuck with the Bush package and it would ruin his presidency. But when presented with an opportunity to work on it --he said presidential politics shouldn't intrude.

Everybody Knows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U

Everybody knows.

And the economic news just keeps getting worse - so much for the success of the stimulus package.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-us-usa-economy-durablesbiz.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The Clinton's never forget who screwed them.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

Hee Hee! Looked like a pretty cool place to kick back, relax and enjoy the music. Traveled through WV up in thew Blue Ridge and found everyone up there very fun and hospitable

Pogo- I think he is a hoott. Some months back he left me clues to I don't know what , never could crack them!

kc, we have a rare moment of disagreement - and only on one point - I don't agree that McCain separated himself from the Bushies by trying to "rescue" Bush's plan, which he thought he saw in jeopardy of being defeated. I do agree that Obama's message got garbled - and in fact, aside from planning to be at the debate tomorrow, I'm not sure what he's doing. The tracking polls that get released Friday should start to tell whether McCain's gambit did what you suggest or was as transparent as what I suggest. Given the coverage of the package before Paulson's and Benanke's presentations of it to the Senate Tuesday, the size and import of the issue was not a mystery that warranted McCain waiting to (If Frank is right) ride into town and snatch victory from the arms of victory. But then again, I may just be more cynical than you. I certainly haven't been able to suspend my own campaign for office cynic just because of this "crisis".

OSH, if you had, you would have been the first. :-) I think the key is that his clues and suggestions are so obtuse, even he doesn't know what they are clues for. (His problem is that he believes the "impending disclosure" promises of the nutcase sites he reads, but they never really happen.)

Pogo

I don't think McCain is trying to rescue the Bush plan. He is trying to "rescue America." McCain has his own plan.
It's all about the spin. I think we have to wait until early next week to see the final impact. McCain's claim was the plan was doa. I guess that's the crux...was (and should it have been) it dead.

I do agree the debate thing was silly and McCain will have to show up.

The biggest crisis to hit America since 9-11, and BHO forgets he was elected to the US Senate, and that is what he is being paid to do. This debate can be easily rescheduled, and the world will not come to an end if we don't get to see BHO read from yet another teleprompter.

In the world of BHO it has always been me first, and then comes whoever, whatever that he can benefit from. Maybe a closer look at his and Michelle's 1040 tax return will indicate where I should be investing some of my money. Apple trees?

Something that doesn't get a lot of play is BHO's role as a community organizer in South Chicago. One of his more important duties was going around soliciting $$$$ for pet projects. In Congress they call these people, lobbyist. So it is fair to say BHO was a lobbyist. BTW that area of South Chicago where BHO served as a community organizer has 82% more crime that any other areas of South Chicago. Good works of liberals always end up the same, in the toilet

Fry - 8:57 - good post, thanks. President Clinton is right.

The contrast in leadership between McCain and Obama is stark.McCain rolls up hissleeves and says "let's get something done. Obama says "congress will call me if they need me. He may wait a while for the phone to ring. I don't think they need Obama..

Harry Reid was castigating McCain for not being in his Senator's slot for the bailout issue. So McCain dropped eveything and said "Country first". Reid nearly wet himself in flip flopping and calling McCain out then for not campaigning & debating.. Reid is the mushiest Senate leader ever.. a weasel.

"Threatening to boycott Friday's debate in favor of full time focus on the nation's financial meltdown is one way to at least temporarily upset the course of a race that isn't going your way." CC

OR, maybe McCain thinks the Country is more important than his campaign. Has anyone even considered that?

Why don't we change the name of this blog to The Obama Network.

"It would be nice to have some thoughtful new posters instead of the small group that spends 18 hours a day posting the same old predictable drivel."

I'm not sure what to think of you starting out this thread saying what you said Oregon. I wonder how many posters will feel welcome and make it past that comment today to share their point of view?

I think you liked the people Craig interviewed, because you agree with them. All others 'go away'.

Pogo- Yeah, but they did do a piece on Fox last night about something he had been predicting. Regardless he just cracks me up.

Just push play:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/BLOG2401/80917007

Fading back into obscurity....

Julie, your 9:16.

You touched all the bases on that one. Well done!

McCain speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative

"This crisis calls for all hands on deck!"

The little love fest at the beginning between McCain and Bill Clinton should send the Obama campaign into another snit fit.

McCain is explaining his objections to the Bush plan.

Corey

Don't gooooooooo

great cartoon show!

Drill, Drill, Drill.

Just another defeat for the tough, gritty, not give an inch minded Liberals. So much for all that rhetoric Nancy P and her lackeys have been spouting. Courage of their convictions, backbone, keeping their promises are just not part of their repertoire. LMAO

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_an/drilling_ban_1

These are the death knells of the McCain campaign. In some ways, McCain reminds me of the Confederacy. Undersized, tactically good, but essentially overwhelmed by the superiority of its opponent and the corruption of its original ideal.

This cynical "suspension of his campaign" is one trick too many.

Katherine, this is a repost from last night. I agree with SolarCrete that you are great for this blog and wanted to make sure you didn't miss this:

"KGC
Leads by example,she felt she had enough at one time and came back, at first a little wary, now the past few day's she had all of the neighborhood talking about the issues that matter most.I think she just ignores the posts (about 99.9%) that she does not like. Hey Champ, a little rough but you did what had too, don't let them get to you."
Posted by: SolarCrete | September 24, 2008 11:17 PM

As for Bill, the memory will be very long. His lukewarm support of Obama is not going unnoticed and uncommented on. If he really wanted support back in the black community, he's fooling himself if he thinks praising the Republican VP is somehow going to get him that support. Expect to see some columns written by African American journalists to talk about that point.

Hi Julie, I agree with Flatus. Great posts!

- I would also like to see more of 9/11 -
and Patsi and Maggie. Posted by: bethyboo | September 25, 2008 1:44 AM

I was thinking the same thing Bethy. Glad you wrote that.

In all the news the Obama camp on Wednesday said they had an agreement with the McCain camp to come up with a joint statement on the economic crisis. I guess that lasted only until McCain decided he could get more headlines by going it alone. From all accounts that's pure McCain, an impulsive hot head. George Wills had a column the other day wondering if that's the type of person we really want negotiating with the Russians. He's beginning to sound worse than Bush.

Pogo - give it time, the poll in 24 hours is to soon

Fact is Obama will behave most like Bush. Obama wi look to others - not sure what we will get..... along a socialist path.

At least with McCain we will get action and true leadership

MD@9:29

Your thesis is worth developing.

Please explain how the corruption of its [the Confederacy's] original idea equates with the difficulties facing the McCain campaign.

We all know that the republicanism has some very worthwhile attributes such as fiscal conservatism and government responsive to local concerns. I have trouble thinking of anything worthwhile about the Confederacy in our world.

Is McCain too Distraught and Overwhelmed by economic crisis to debate and explain to the American people what clear ideas and solutions he has to handle this crisis. May be McCain is unable to handle the stress and is having a senior moment, because when you are President of the United States, there is no rest for the weary, and you are always on Call!

Or, is McCain really being dirty and underhanded, trying to pull the wool out from under Barack’s feet, when he reached out to him early Wedensday morning in a bi-partisan moment, so together they could show solidarity and release a Joint Statement, however, McCain did not like that idea and decidied to bring politics into an already unsteady situation in an attempt to aid his political career, pretending that it was he who reached out to Barack and not the otherway around! However, that was not good enough, he must one-up him and cancel the campaign all together, the crisis is so great, a sudden change of heart that makes McCain look phony and untrustworthy. That is not putting Country first, but we already know that by his Pallin pick!

And, of course, the debates should not be cancelled. A President has to be able to multi-task, big time! McCain’s cancelling looks more like a senior moment or that he is too overwhelmed and distraught to be albe to explain to the country just what he would do to address this problem. Maybe McCain will not be able to answer that 3:00 a.m. phone call as a President is always on call.

McCain the Wizard of Oz now pretends he has a heart, brain and courage! If so, its not working very well. His wall of lies and deceipt are closing in on him and soon there will be no place to hide, not even in the Senate. McCain you can run, you can lie, but you cannot hide and Humpty Dumpty couldnot be put together again!

Chloe,

"OR, maybe McCain thinks the Country is more important than his campaign. Has anyone even considered that?"

JM has always been about country first. BHO has always been about him first, and how does it benefit me.

And about what Oregon Democrat said. The D's for some strange reason believe this is their blog, dissenting voices are not tolerated. This little snit comes up from time to time, pay no attention to it. What they forget, or never read was the little saying Craig use to have posted never the top of this blog. I am paraphrasing of course, "All voice and thoughts are welcomed, regardless of politically affiliation."

When I think of Obama holed up in his Florida hotel practicing how to talk to regular people and then says "call me if you need me" it brings back memories of the "My Pet Goat" scene.

Jim M
George Wills - he is an intellectual consultant – there is a reason ABC keeps him in his place. His article is from an insiders of the beltway point of view that is threatened by the possibility of leadership that will take action. George Wills could never run a company, be in office or do anything more then he does as a commentator and one who can over analyze. On this one WIlls was wrong

McCain is McAction.

Obama acts like Bush

Katherine,

I do think your analysis of the bailout/rescue saga is very accurate. Perception of who rescued the country will be more important than the reality of the events.

As far as McCain to the rescue--I believe initially when the proposal was presented, both left & right were objecting---in particular many reps.--so much so that Harry Reid called McCain out to get the reps in line-- McCain it seems has called the dems bluff--shows up & it appears may get enough reps to vote for the plan & gets Bush to in essence to suumon Obama to get back to DC.

Now Reid & Barney Frank are claiming McCain was not needed, he's playing politics--- when the deal is made & it will be--will it be see as the McCain "rescue plan"--if it is--that may indeed be a game changer.

And by the way, remember the proposal for allowing bankruptcy judges to modify loan terms--this a.m on cnbc it was reported that will not be included in the final package.

Thanks Chloe

There is lots of good commentary here and as OD says ignore the Knotheads.

One of things most people object to about politics are the unfair (sexist, racist, classist) attacks on candidates and ideas and it always surprises me that the people who complain the most about that on the left are the first to throw the same bombs at the right.

"One of things most people object to about politics are the unfair (sexist, racist, classist) attacks on candidates and ideas and it always surprises me that the people who complain the most about that on the left are the first to throw the same bombs at the right." KGC

Hear, hear!

Coreen

"And by the way, remember the proposal for allowing bankruptcy judges to modify loan terms--this a.m on cnbc it was reported that will not be included in the final package."

That's terrible. Is there anything for homeowners? I read somehwere that only about 17% of people in default or foreclosure can even qualify for the "cram down." So why not put it in. Or are they afraid of an activist judiciary?

I will dig to find it…

Obama after the McCain announcement -- Something along the lines - yup we talked about it (reschedule the debate and put the economic crisis first) and then John announced that he was going to focus on it – I guess he was serious about it…

Oh my and Sen. Obama wants to be President

Help me with this one….

Sorry Dems but more split continues.

Hillary and McCain - Same page..... Again.

Which is one reason so much revolt early on in the republican party - that McCain was to close to Hillary

Fred Frailey: 15 things you should know about the panic of 2008:

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105826/15-Things-You-Need-to-Know-About-the-Panic-of-2008

dont know fred, but it's interesting to see it laid out in any fashion at all...........

"Why don't we change the name of this blog to The Obama Network."--Chloe

Ok, where will you and flatus and pong and FD and toast and od and the rest of you right wingnuts post? Hummm?

The country wasn't important enough for him to diss Katie or Bill. It's either posturing or smoke and mirrors - I can't really decide which but I'm leaning toward the former.

Fry, the offshore drilling ban was left out of the CR because nothing will happen before it can be brought up for discussion and amendment next year. It was the Dems that decided not to include it. As the Energy Administration office that issues the permits said, even if the ban remains lifted, after environmental impact assessments and the permitting process proceeds, it will be 5-10 years before any drilling occurs. Considering that refinery capacity is close to maxed out with the current volume of crude to be turned into fuels, and that it takes about that same timeframe to bring a new refinery online (or a new nuc plant for that matter), I thnk BFD is the best reaction to the ban not being included in the CR. I also think the Dem leadership, to their credit (and when have I ever praised Pelosi and Reid?) have waked up and now understand that the public supports offshore drilling, but the leadership wants to make sure that whatever bill allowing it passes balances the needs of the energy industry with the needs of the coastal residents. Hell, by that time Pickens will have gotten so much venture capital into the alternative energy industry that some of the technologies that currently don't work well enough or at anything near cost levels similar to oil and coal will realistically be in the mix and the call for offshore drilling likely won't be close to what it is now.

Everything is a political campaign is a stunt. That's what they are. Campaigns are not governing.

"All voice and thoughts are welcomed, regardless of politically affiliation." Posted by: FryDaddy September 25, 2008 9:42 AM

Thanks Fry. I wish Craig still posted that at the top (as a sort of welcoming to everyone).

Fry, I have always been a Democrat. Now I am an Independent. I will stay one (and have never even considered being a Republican).

I like the feeling of choosing to vote for a politician as an individual, and not because of the party he belongs to. It's refreshing and liberating. I hope the trend keeps going in that direction. I've always believed more in the rights of the individual than anything else. And I never forget 'By the people, for the people', and believe that our Country was founded on that idea. To get so attached to 'teams' not only doesn't make sense to me, it's divisive.

Ping, actually , you're right - fact is I thought it was Wednesday and that the tracking polls Friday would reflect the Wed-Thur events (that I thought were Tue-Wed events. I guess time flies when you're having fun. Gotta get more in tune with what day it is I guess.

Mr. Democrat,

"Expect to see some columns written by African American journalists to talk about that point."

Not sure I understand that. Are you saying because BC isn't kissing the enlighten-one's butt, the African American journalist are going to write unfavorable article about BC? WOW, such fairness from your side. BC has never, will never forget what Team BHO did to him in SC. Paybacks can be a bitch. That was written with no sexual and/or canine references attached to it.

Corey ... loved the Vid, lol

FryDaddy: 9:14
Julie: 9:16
Chloe: 9:19, ... ..HEAR, HEAR .. agree completely ... I find it frustrating that BO thinks campaigning & debating is more important than our Country .. it's not ... people will understand why it was delayed ..

I've been watching President Clinton do his "rounds", a dutiful member of the party ... He's GOOD, still got it ...

I love how he doesn't get personall .. even when he gets asked about recemt smears in the MSM, he steers it away from that, with ideas of what they should be discussing ..

He tried to outline a good plan on Jon Stewart the other night, but Stew't was having too much fun intrupting him, saying silly things .. instead of letting him talk ...

I don't like Host like that .. if you ask a question, by God! give them the time to answer it!!
Damn!! these "Host", act like 12 year olds

AS does our Congress .. They are suppose to be leading this Great Country "FOR THE PEOPLE" ..

When I see Host & members of Congress on TV with all their silly childish questions & Congress members reactions, just wish I could reach thru the screen & slap them! Like Cher did to Nicolas Cage in MoonStruck " Snap out of it!" & I'd add to that ...Grow Up!!

Start acting like Grown Men & Women ... LEAD, not Follow all the Special Interest ... PLEASE, do something for the USA .. or there won't be one down the road ...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150254

KC, truer words...

Torpedo...
I love this place!!!
Craig knows how to spice it up and when you filter the crap there is great dialogue

And kiss kiss to KCG... and my articulate friend Brain.. if I can so call him such.

Biggest lesson I am trying to teach my kids -- do not give people the power to inflect. Be strong in and of yourself – have confidence as it is the strength and resolve of the individual that counts

Craig

Very nice video, very nice people, very simple language, reminds me of Sen. C's, beer and shot scenes in In, this is what I have been saying, keep it simple, that voter that said that Sen McCain just keeps on going, should be very interesting to the Obama camp, he is very adaptable, and persistent. UB last night said that Champ hit a brick wall--------Should the O camp run an ad with the very persistent McCain running into the brick of the war, economy, etc, in a way that shows he is stubborn, just like Bush is stubborn, look what a mess that got us into-----if swing voters are the target, they should get this simple message, not what some think about the Letterman, and KO show last night, He was like some kid that was pissed off because he did not get his way, he mostly impressed the people that already was voting for Obama, not the swing voter. Sorry good morning to all.

Coreen
I don't know if you saw this but at least Senator Clinton is still trying to get something for the homeowners.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/25/8421/23701

SolarCrete

Thanks for the kind words. I'll try to live up to them.

no problem figuring out who the "torpedo" is.......

as far as mccain, I see him (just as he was when he finished 894th out of 899 students at Annapolis) as strictly out for the main chance and mainly for mccainly.
Country first? A Fiction.
He is and always has been out for McCain, and if it happens to co-incide with some facet of help for the american people, well, ok, not a problem. First problem for McCain was get on the public payroll and then GET RICH, QUICK. Fred R. Turbo pursues the main chance.

oops.....that's FLOYD R. Turbo
lol

Craig,

Have you seen that Bosch is now making the Tassimo? It looks smaller than the one made by Braun. I wonder if it's quieter too...your parents still use theirs?

Pogo,

The D's backed off, off shore drilling because they finally realized after going home this last time that their constituents were in favor of off shore drilling. So like in typical fashion instead of bringing it up for a vote, they let the ban that lasted for the last 26 years, to just expire. That way they can't say they didn't voted for it, but it also demonstrates they lacked the courage of their so called convictions to vote to continue the ban. You have to admit D leadership in both houses is pretty weak, their words sound strong, but their actions to carry out those words are very weak.

"Ok, where will you and flatus and pong and FD and toast and od and the rest of you right wingnuts post? Hummm?"
Posted by: Torpedo.Vindecator | September 25, 2008 9:54 AM

Thanks Torpedo.
Your post is a good example of why I am not longer Democrat. You may consider what I think meaningless (or worse) but I feel sure there are others out there that feel the same way. Not that I think you care what we think, but I have just as much right to be here as you do. There's plenty on this blog that have tried to shut me and others up. Some of us left, because they didn't think it was worth the abuse but some of us are still here, whether you like it or not.

Katherine,

Yes, did read Hillary's WSJ article earlier. A few days ago she made the rounds of the morning shows & voiced the same concerns---which unfortunately, only
continues to illustrate just how abysmal the choices that we are being asked to make this election.

Sturgeone

Great piece. I would add, Shrub choose cheap credit instead of asking the American public to do the right thing.

Instead of let's plant a victory garden and pay a war tax - he said let's go shopping.

It's Chloe's world. We just live in it.

Viv, Good to see you here today!

"It's Chloe's world. We just live in it."

If you did cow girl, I'd leave.

Civilized conversation on the issues.

I wished we lived in Chloe's world

I'm so glad you don't.

Chloe ... great minds ... I was thinking the same as I read Torp post .. I haven't posted much lately, but I do read .. not all .. not anymore .. But I always look for yours ...

Fry, "You have to admit D leadership in both houses is pretty weak, their words sound strong, but their actions to carry out those words are very weak." Have I EVER said anything contrary to that? Henry Waxman explained yesterday that they let the ban expire and plan to bring it up next year. Since the case has apparently been made to the satisfaction of thepublic that drilling can be done without endangering the coasts, the issue will be where you draw the line so you don't have to look at the rigs. Between us, I thought 100 miles was a bit much, but it would let us drill in downtown Havana. I don't think the leadership (I always use that word strictly in its ceremonial sense when referring to Reid and Pelosi) know this is not the time to press that issue, what with Paulson begging on the hill and McCain suspending his campaign and riding into town in a cloud of dust and all. It will come up again when it can be debated and voted on in due course without the distraction of Bush's last Henny Penny moment (I hope).

That Sarah Palin sure is smart and well informed. “I’ll try to find ya some an’ I’ll bring em to ya!”

The woman channels Abraham Lincoln.

Chloe,
Exactly, being an independent is awesome.

Does anyone remember when John McCain was all but counted out of this election? He was riding commercial planes, toting his own luggage along.
The man has grit . Obama is mostly spit.

Biden going into the coal industry states and dissing the mining voters, saying BO and Biden do not want any more coal. A real sure way to get those votes, eh democrats? No coal, No oil, No nuclear..No drilling.
leads to No Jobs... Pennsylvania, West Virginia depend on coal.. Michigan , Ohio, are needing jobs in the worst way..

The Brown-headed Cowbird (Molothrus ater) is North America's most notorious brood parasite. Instead of building their own nests, incubating their own eggs and raising their own nestlings, Brown-headed Cowbirds have a different breeding strategy. Cowbird females use other bird species as hosts -- laying their eggs in the nests of other bird species and relying on these hosts to incubate and raise their chicks.

sturgeone,

Question for you.

Do you know your personal physician's ranking when he/she graduated medical school? Your physician could have graduated dead last in his class, and still provide you with outstanding service. Graduating first only matters on your resume`, what really matters is what you do with that education/training.

Racial bigotry won't be his undoing
"We have to face the happy fact that America has evolved into a largely post-racial society. This positive fact runs counter to the standard victim catechism spouted by liberal university professors, such as Cornel West at Princeton, my alma mater, and by many racial entrepreneurs, such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton."

"I suspect that my own angst about voting for him is characteristic of many other voters who have not made up their minds. Never, in a long and happy life, have I ever, drunk or sober, voted for a Republican presidential candidate."

"Yet, I am thinking of doing so now because I believe that the nation is in such danger from Islamic extremists and from national leaders who encourage them..."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/380244_obamarace24.html

Hi Chloe ... i wasn't sure you were still here or not ... I had to stop posting for awhile, but this week is looking up ..

ALL this BS being thrown around about Bill Clinton, is frustraing to watch ... He has a good idea, but all everyones cares about is if he's said BO's name enough times ...

Viv

hadn't realized that Cowbirds went "meow", but of course they do when they dont totally get their way and find themselves reading honest opinion without insult or without insulting commentary.

But I always look for yours ...Posted by: Viv | September 25, 2008 10:19 AM

Viv, Thank you! That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. And, of course, I look for yours too.

John McCain was very Presidential, yesterday. He was also prepared. I agree with Julie...the man knows how to roll up his sleeves and get things done. He is not merely impressed with the sound of his own voice.
BTW, I don't know what the latest polls indicate, but the last I heard they were tied...except for one poll that had Obama with more of a lead than normal....very suspect poll.

racist taunts again from the obamatron....when all else fails, call 'em Racist. whadda peeg.

Fry......I dont have a personal physician......I dont have a physician at all.........i depend solely upon staying healthy.......if all else fails there's the VA hospital to die in. and what McCain did with is graduation was a. Get Elected and b. Get rich. all else is pretty much mouthy fluff.

The people Craig interviewed all made sense..they seem to be thoughtful.

Perhaps we could get them to take part on this blog.

It would be nice to have some thoughtful new posters instead of the small group that spends 18 hours a day posting the same old predictable drivel.

Oregon Democrat is right.

"He has a good idea, but all everyones cares about is if he's said BO's name enough times ..."

Ha! I hear ya.

So many new names today. Wonder where they all came from?

http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/

{{ Crash
The big guy with the crew cut and a hand that lost three fingers to a meat grinder looked out at the most powerful men in global capitalism Tuesday, and asked a pointed question:

“I’m a dirt farmer,” said Senator Jon Tester, the Montana Democrat who still lives on his family homestead. “Why do we have one week to determine that $700 billion has to be appropriated or this country’s financial system goes down the pipes?” }}

Fry.....also.....let me be clear......McCain's service record is unassailably honorable.......beyond question......like so many more besides him.......it does NOT qualify him automatically to be handed the presidency just because he's decided he wants it.

"Biden going into the coal industry states and dissing the mining voters, saying BO and Biden do not want any more coal. A real sure way to get those votes, eh democrats? No coal, No oil, No nuclear..No drilling.
leads to No Jobs... Pennsylvania, West Virginia depend on coal.. Michigan , Ohio, are needing jobs in the worst way.."
Posted by: Julie Young | September 25, 2008 10:24 AM

It is so nice today to hear all this defense of the working men and women who depend on the government to do the right thing by them and to not forget they're what it's all about.

Julie, well said!

Fry, one thing I learned in grad school - back when I was in Education - was that the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I don't know whether that matters in this case - but we just suffered through 8 years of national hell witha crappy ex-student from top tier schools, and I wouldn't want to repeat that.

Chloe, always like reading your comments--open minded. Some, as I sometimes just like reading what some such as you care to share. And then it inevitably turns personal and what's the use in commenting.
Not all people have your resolve or outlook to ignore the mindless drivel from persons and groups on this site--so we read, enjoy, and sometimes puke.
But I will vote!

I'm confused Sturg. . I thought it was; when all else fails blame the MSM or call them sexist.

"......it does NOT qualify him automatically to be handed the presidency just because he's decided he wants it."

Sturge, I totally agree with you.
But, in the end, it will be the voters who make the decision (I hope).

and what his standing in his graduating class has to do with it is it shows that he has always wanted to be, as son and grandson of admirals, handed to him whatever he wants.....flyboy playboy wants now to be seen as "statesman".......he was a sperled brat in college and now he's grown up......and how much has changed? you perhaps want to claim that his incarceration changed his character.......I dont think so.
How about that first wife he dumped.........wonder what she thinks......yeah, I know.....since he's running for pres, he's real sorry about that............Ask Nancy Reagan about it.

sturg - of course the order was - a) dump the sick wife, b) marry a rich one, c) get elected.

"There's plenty on this blog that have tried to shut me and others up. Some of us left, because they didn't think it was worth the abuse but some of us are still here, whether you like it or not."

Aw Chloe, don't be mad. No one is trying to shut you up. That is impossible. Just pointing out some of the foolish things you right wingnuts say.

Actually, ask Jane Wyman.

Animal Control,
I wish you were here more. We need all the opinions and views we can get. I have to say, I think there is a lot more good about this site, than there is bad. And the more people who stay around (even if you have to ignore the personal attacks sometimes) the better the site will get. I love reading the opinions here, always. Don't have to agree with someones opinion in order to respect it.

"Aw Chloe, don't be mad."

Who said I was mad Torpedo?

sturg, re: TV - you are right - not hard at all.

sturgeone

"racist taunts again from the obamatron....when all else fails, call 'em Racist. whadda peeg."

They have to go with what works, but the tune is getting mighty thin.

OK forget personal physician, what about anyone else you depend on, have you ever inquired of them what was their placement when they graduated, e.g., heating and air conditioning school, your plumber, lawyer etc?.

Threadful today

blistersyeahbutchannel offers help to get through the financial crisis

Rulz to know where the pea is hidden every time

Pogo,
i agreed with your "oil" time line above, but the offshore drilling proponents really don't care about technical issues you point out. They just want to be able to say "drill baby drill " when they pander for votes.

Animal Control | September 25, 2008 10:40 AM
Not all people have your resolve or outlook to ignore the mindless drivel from persons and groups on this site--so we read, enjoy, and sometimes puke.
But I will vote!
===========

AC ... I agree .. Chloe doesn't mince words, doesn't let anyone get her down & never resorts to name calling when others disagree with her ...
This mornings posts have been very pleasant .. have enjoyed everyone's ...

Just a brief glance, seriously brief, I see the hamsters are still running on their wheels.

They never tire.

Hey, Fry, why you dissing lawyers? Here's what some lawyers say - The top 1/3 become law professors work on Wall Street or become partners at big defense firms, the middle 1/3 work in government and middle size firms or do something other than practice law, and the bottom 1/3 advertise and get rich suing the guys in the top 1/3.

Just a brief glance, seriously brief, I see the hamsters are still running on their wheels.

They never tire.

As opposed to your serious and thoughtful posts

The Queen of Shallow and Snide

Sturg,
I actually agree with his 10:26 just didn't take the time to say it,but thx for the opportunity. I think "few is the key word there.

Hmmm .. after taking pot shots at McCain about going to DC .. BO is now heading to the WH .. lol

oh boy, what a year we're having ...

JM flew the A-4 Skyhawk. A single seat, single engine attack bomber. These links have nothing to do with JM, but with the A-4 Skyhawk.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/attack/a4/index.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4_Skyhawk

Chloe, Viv and anyone else that might care--part of my comment should have read "...some persons..."

Fry, the saying is actually "suing the bastards in the top 1/3."

And my favorite latin phrase I learned in law school - illegitimi non carborundum.

Viv......lol.......touche'

Rez......"a few" which conveniently is left open-ended as to whom the few are is ipso facto a blanket accusation......

pogo,

I'm not dissing lawyers, or plumbers, or any trade. What I was attempting to do is say it matters little where one graduates in their class from college, med school, law school, beautician school, or any other type of specially training above HS. What matters is what you do with that education and training.

I hear McCain/Palin want to postpone the election until both are ready to face Obama/Binden.

In the meantime, for your viewing pleasure --

"why I am voting republican"

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

sorry about the "obamatron" I'll excise that from my vocabulary henceforth.....but really it only applied to the one consistent pom-pom waver here all day everyday.....not just someone who happens to support obama as I do.................

Sorry Sturg that's your take not mine. Few means some not all to me in english.

However, I'd have to further agree that the few to whom I think he was directing his comments to here, is fairly spot on.

Fry, I know you weren't. Just using your mention of us to interject a little jocularity (or at least jocular to me). I forgot to put this after my dissing lawyers remark - :-).

Bear,
Craig must be stealth about buying Bosch as it could be tied back to Disney / ABC type lose connection which is anti ge/msnbc.

Bosch does make great products

Follow the money

okie doke.......

Sturg.
What would happen if Obama wins

Do we have an Obamanation?

Funny, Rez, I think he has his head up his ass.

sturg - I'll see your ipso facto and raise you a quid pro quo.

obamanation is biden its time.......

Later.

I'll see your quick pro crow and raise you an escape goat........

good one BW
btw, I heard Palin wanted to postpone the debate until after the election.

mccain wants to ditch a debate just when all the banks and markets are closed (except Hawaii) for the weekend.

2 hours taken to inform American citizenry is not going to make an iota of difference. mccain can catch up on his sleep on Rosh HaShanah, when the NYSE will be closed.

Let the candidates deduct it from their nap time.

This has never happened before, and while the republican Congress had 10 years, and the bushcheney gang had 7 2/3 years to fix the mess, now they want a stampede to judgement.

Look guys, we taxpayers just took on the 9 TR!LL!ON debt of freddie and fannie. That = $30,000 average debt per man, woman, and suckling babe. = $120,000 debt to that family of 4 in our fables. We doubled the national debt overnight. So, yes, this is humongous, but that doesn't mean that we have to get the job done 'quick & dirty.' We've had enough quick & dirty in Iraq.

Besides, of what value is it to put a compulsive Daffy Duck like mccain on this job ? The guy has no more sense than God gave rocks.

"doesn't let anyone get her down & never resorts to name calling when others disagree with her .."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150312

Thanks Viv, but that's not completely true. It's gotten me down plenty of times and I've said things that I regret.

I've just learned the main players and their MO's. And apparently, I'm interested in promoting my opinion, or I wouldn't be here. But I also feel a need to support others whom I feel are being mistreated. Don't know why. But I hate sitting back and watching it.

ps. Champ, I found myself wondering, when reading some of the posts from last night. Are you a 'guardian angel'? :)

and a "quote a rat demon and strand 'im" in a pear tree.......

by the way.........ping.....lol

Good day to all.
Back to the evil capitalistic, free enterprise world which thankfully has a core foundation fundamental to America - – with a possible Ironic twist. That so much is happening beyond the gaze of the more the average American.

Check back

This could be interesting. Awhile back I noted that Dino Rossi was saying "GOP" in his commercials instead of identifying himself as a Republican. Apparently he has designated himself that way for his ballot information as well.

The Democratic party has sued to stop the printing of ballots because there is no such official party name as "GOP" even though he was listed that way on the Primary ballot.

The Gregoire / Rossi contest is close and this is the second time going against each other so these battles can have an effect in a Presidential year.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008199160_rossisuit24m.html

lol... strug
I part with a smile

Sturgeon

Cue Ed It's his turn to demonstrate.

Rez, great one.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150335

Why isn't the Media covering the Conservative Black Constituents?

Time for Some Rattler Gator, Black Conservatives support “Country First” J.B. White is a wonderful writer. I highly recommend his blog. Obviously he is also a Gators Fan:)

http://rattlergator.typepad.com/rattlergator/2008/09/operation-country-first-the-campaign-theme.html

I have been reading J.B. White since Imus was fired he wrote the article about Imus "sticks and stones"

On Faux News this morning....McCain spokesperson Nancy 'Pfuffly' burst into laughter stating maybe Obama and Biden can debate each other tomorrow night.

She sure looks like a phlustered jerk.

it sure is nice to see some different viewpoints
and opinions on this blog instead of the obama
all the time dribble we see elsewhere'
did'nt craig want some mccain supportors on here
to mix things up
be careful what you wish for

Pogo,
You had a mid-life career change?? What flavor of educator? I would suspect middle school history.

pflustered jerk

sorry for the typos

Chloe {. It's gotten me down plenty of times and I've said things that I regret.}

Haven't we all?? me included.. have let 'em get to me & lowered myself to their level ... won't do it again ...

It is hard to read all the personal attacks & snide remarks .. that are then replied with " Who? me? "

Especailly remarks about someone who isn't posting here anymore ...

Champ & others, can't remember right now {damn memory!} ... I love how you DO stand up for those who are attacked ...

The "dirt farmer" is John Tester. He's a typical Montana democrat politician. He's an "organic" farmer who's against normal ranching, anti development, anti miltiary, etc. He'll talk like a "farmer" when it suites his purposes.

He's very liberal, but now that he's in the Senate he'll go 4 years liberal, two years middle of the road so as to fool the people that haven't been paying attention. Our democrat governor was recently bragging at a conference of trial lawyers about how he engaged in corruption to get Tester elected. It's a tragedy up here that people aren't as informed as they should be.

mqw,
I am happy to see the return of the participation of Repubs such as Ping and Fry (Fry was here during the primaries but was wearing Hillary weeds - it was downright unnatural), and there are others, all of whom add much interest to the intraparty spats we see here so often. I'd say this place is as well rounded as I've ever seen it. The only group missing is the "Independent now since McCain was nominated" ex republicans. (xr is the closest we have to that).

Well, lunch

flatus - I was a counselor/higher ed student administration M.A./ counselor education Ph.D. ABD, turned Outward Bound sailing instructor, turned lawyer.

chloe,

You are soooooo diplomatic at times. I forget what day/night it was, but it wasn't that long ago, you were really getting hammered by the typical suspects. But you didn't let it get to you, and you handled yourself very mannerly.

"Din, Din. You're A Better Man Than I Am, Gunga Din."

Fry.......I just re-read the Anabasis again......if you havent read it yet, I cant recommend it enough.....many fine translations from the ancient greek.....they called them the "marching democracy"

http://www.wlextv.com/global/story.asp?s=9058141

" Lunsford Within 3% In Latest Senate Poll

Democratic challenger Bruce Lunsford has closed to within a statistical tie with Republican incumbent Mitch McConnell in their U.S. Senate race, according to a new poll by SurveyUSA released Tuesday.

With six weeks remaining until election day, McConnell, the Senate minority leader, now holds a 49%-46% lead over Lunsford, which is within the poll's 3.9% margin of error. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released six weeks ago, Lunsford is up six points, McConnell is down three. "

I'm hoping Lunsford is the one to finally kick McConnell out of the Senate ..

I wonder if Obama will get a few more gray hairs tomorrow when he is shown the 'truth' at the White House meeting...McCain knows the truth and ignored it for years. When Obama starts measuring for furniture, McCain will become unglued.

At least Obama can wear two hats at a time....senator and candidate. Poor McCain who needs a hat most of the time, has trouble with just one hat.

Xenophon accompanied the Ten Thousand, a large army of Greek mercenaries hired by Cyrus the Younger, who intended to seize the throne of Persia from his brother, Artaxerxes II. Though Cyrus's army was victorious at Cunaxa in Babylon (401 BC), Cyrus himself was killed in the battle, rendering the victory irrelevant and the expedition a failure.

Stranded deep in enemy territory, the Spartan general Clearchus and the other Greek senior officers were subsequently killed or captured by treachery on the part of the Persian satrap Tissaphernes. Xenophon played an instrumental role in encouraging the Greek army of 10,000 to march north to the Black Sea. Now abandoned in Mesopotamia, without supplies other than what they could obtain by force, the 10,000 had to fight their way northwards through Kurdistan and Armenia, making ad hoc decisions about their leadership, tactics, and destiny.

Ultimately this "marching republic" managed to reach the shores of the Black Sea, a destination they greeted with their famous cry of joyous exultation on the mountain of Madur in Surmene : "thalatta, thalatta" (Greek: the sea, the sea! The cry, written in Greek as θαλασσα, θαλασσα, is conventionally rendered "thalassa, thalassa!" in English. Thalatta was the Attic pronunciation, which substituted -tt- where the written language, as well as spoken Ionic, Doric, and Greek, has -ss-). "The sea" meant Greek cities, but was not the end of their journey, which included a period fighting for Seuthes II of Thrace, and ended with their recruitment into the army of the Spartan general Thibron. This is the story Xenophon relates in this book.

Anabasis/ I'll give it a look see. Thanks.

Thanks Fry. I feel undeserving, but it's still nice to hear it.

sorry.....that was from Wikipedia

Blonde wino,

At least Obama can wear two hats at a time....senator and candidate.

He is being paid to be a Senator, not a candidate.

I have not yet read people's comments here. But my reaction to McCain's proposal is this... If he can't focus on the economy and the election, can he focus on the ongoing issues a President needs to be ready for should he occupy the White House? He had nearly 8 years to do something about the economy and suddenly he's running scared and says "oh no, we must suspend the campaign"... Isn't this the same guy who said "the fundamentals of our economy are sound?" Typical political games, and Mr. McCain, if you can't both walk and talk at the same time, you're in the WRONG business.

"flatus - I was a counselor/higher ed student administration M.A./ counselor education Ph.D. ABD, turned Outward Bound sailing instructor, turned lawyer."

Damn, Pogo, get out of that law office and go teach at my alma mater; it would be a marriage made in heaven:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solebury_School

Chole,

Keep a stiff upper lip.

http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Rudyard_Kipling/kipling_gunga_din.htm

Question,
Does anyone of the posters on this Blog really understand the danger that this economic situation presents?

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 25, 2008 6:16 AM

I think most of us understand that the ideology of your identified party is to take a hands off approach towards the economy and allow the magical "invisble hand of the market" make all the corrections necessary. It's the Republicans who have deregulated and given free hand to speculators, money junkies and white collar criminals, with virtually no oversight and no rules to play by except to acquire personal wealth in the most gluttonous manner possible.

No blame as Dems and Reps are more then equal in the failure to allow this to happen.

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 25, 2008 6:18 AM

Sorry, wrong number.

wonder if the Lunsford is any relation to Tomi Lynn Lunsford, singer and songwriter in nashville, who's mentioned in this article about LOUSIANA'S SONG by Ms Hotaling.......http://www.thesylvaherald.com/2007/072607/html/ruralite_cafe.html

sturgeone,

I wonder if this is the whole text?

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=NCsMAAAAYAAJ&dq=Anabasis&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=BWpRQZg8N_&sig=dugbjmHAhCRMmtXSsg43JbC7EeI&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP6,M1

Is it Denial?
Is it lack of Understanding and ignorance?
Is it political move resulting from anticipated gains during an economic Crisis?

Why would Sen. Obama not put Country First?

Why the failure of most Americans to understand the importance to find a solution?

John McCain is again acting on instinct - and again he is correct - and yes pogo a little late but better late then sorry.

Posted by: Ping Pong | September 25, 2008 8:42 AM

John McCain is acting on perserving his own self interests. If he can't campaign and work on the economy he has mostly ignored, then he is incapable of holding the office of the Presidency. Talking to voters about the issues and educating them is also extremely important. I know the Republicans are worried that their rich friends might lose money, but that's no excuse to run away from a Presidential campaign. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong"....

Yeah, right... Thanks Repubs.

sturgeone,

That links turned out to be a step lower than Cliff Notes. Ugh.

Fry...I understand the 'amateur/volunteer' nature of being a candidate in this election cycle, but it takes the budget of a small country to run one candidate. Big money here and many are getting paid to make it happen for their candidate. So, in essence it is their job to get elected. A hat to wear, so-to-speak, while also being senators.

Letterman isn't fit to clean JM's toilet. He is such a BHO butt boy.

Repetive posts are boring

Speaking of things Latin, "Res ipsa loquiter."

"...as you know, comedy is so important to me. Letterman really nailed McCain about his disappearance." BW@11:57

Do you think timing may have been a factor in the cancellation? Like, even though Letterman tapes in the afternoon, it isn't broadcast until late night. So anything McCain said might well have been overcome by events--especially Pres Bush's speech. That wouldn't have been a factor with the evening news.

"Letterman is going to get McCain"
"I'm going to watch Letterman"
"I'm watching Letterman"
"Letterman ripped McCain a new one"
"Letterman ripped McCain a new one"
"Letterman ripped McCain a new one"

one of McCain's eyes is bulging more than usual...he doesn't look good.

Blonde,

Well if that is the case BHO might as well go home how because his record both in the Senate and in Illinois is pretty...well you said it best a while back. Empty. Talk as you know is cheap, and so far all BHO has done is talk.

Fry:
I know it's on line somewhere, I've read some of it there before. but it's easily procured in any bookstore worth its salt......by order if not in stock, and at not very much money at all......

this one has it:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/xenophon-anabasis.html

Democrats on homeowner assistance.

"Trust us."

Democrats are pushing to allow bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgages to ease the burden on consumers who are facing foreclosure — a nonstarter for Republicans. Democrats acknowledge privately that the provision will almost certainly be dropped in the interest of a bipartisan deal. Obama told reporters it's "probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation."

The Opening:
Now when Darius was dead, and Artaxerxes was established in the kingdom, Tissaphernes brought slanderous accusations against Cyrus before his brother, the king, of harbouring designs against him. And Artaxerxes, listening to the words of Tissaphernes, laid hands upon Cyrus, desiring to put him to death; but his mother made intercession for him, and sent him back again in safety to his province. He then, having so escaped through peril and dishonour, fell to considering, not only how he might avoid ever again being in his brother's power, but how, if possible, he might become king in his stead. Parysatis, his mother, was his first resource; for she had more love for Cyrus than for Artaxerxes upon his throne. Moreover Cyrus's behaviour towards all who came to him from the king's court was such that, when he sent them away again, they were better friends to himself than to 5 the king his brother. Nor did he neglect the barbarians in his own service; but trained them, at once to be capable as warriors and devoted adherents of himself. Lastly, he began collecting his Hellenic armament, but with the utmost secrecy, so that he might take the king as far as might be at unawares.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obamas-amazing-rural-opportuni.html#comment-150109

Tony, You paid me such a nice compliment the other day, about honesty and loyalty, and I was beyond touched by it.

I saw your comment defending Patsi last night. I want to say back to you how much I am impressed with YOUR honesty and loyalty, and that I think this blog is a better place because YOU'RE here. Thanks.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/obamas-amazing-rural-opportuni.html#comment-150112

9/11. That quote you posted was so unbelievably beautiful, it took my breath away. Thank you.

Going shopping. Have a good day!

sturgeone,

TY. Have to run out today, not far because all the gas stations are lacking that one important element of most gas stations, gas, and will take a look for it.

letterman

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.WBmingram20080925114522/WBStory/WBmingram

I heard the ole miss debate cost five million dollars to prepare...

wonder if the Lunsford is any relation to Tomi Lynn Lunsford, singer and songwriter in nashville, who's mentioned in this article about LOUSIANA'S SONG by Ms Hotaling.......
http://www.thesylvaherald.com/2007/072607/html/ruralite_cafe.html
Posted by: sturgeone | September 25, 2008 11:56 AM

Sturg: I don't know, but think I'm going to see if my Library has Kerry Maddens books ... I, too, love the Smokey Mountains ... here's her web site :
http://www.kerrymadden.com/

Viv

Obama abandons commitment to homeowner assistance.

There is another excellent Anabsis, by St. John Perse(Alexis Leger), who 'though French, wrote his Nobel Prize winning poetry in English.

Perse worked for Archibald MacLeish at the Library of Congress during FDR's Administration, while on the run from Petain's secret police and the SS. His poetry is "Revered for its cosmic vision and lofty rhetoric" says nndb.

Besides, Anabasis (my fave), he is well known for Seamarks, and Exile.

People want a trickle up rescue.
Obama lets George do it.
http://www.theolympian.com/672/story/595572.html

OK, who wants to go fishin' for 2 months & make $46K like the First Dud?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/palin_finances

Blonde wino made my day, writing,

" When Obama starts measuring for furniture, McCain will become unglued."

mcheney seems unglued and unhinged a good deal of the time.

After lurking today, I'd like to offer the following random points:

1. While it's no big deal that McCain dissed Letterman, to do so with an outright lie was troubling. The last thing you want to do is give someone who has access to a broad TV audience a reason to attack you on a daily basis. His comic bits will get replayed by all the morning shows and even some of the Sunday shows and that can be a problem.

2. If the media is always complaining about the lack of access to Palin and McCain, especially for questioning, why do they give time to the hack surrogates?

3. McCain's "bold move" came 9 days too late. Had he done this when the news of calamity first dropped, he could have erased his "fundamentals" comment and could have atoned with a lot of voters by really trying to work something out. Instead, he's going to act like that manager who sees a colleague do great work on a project and jumps in at the last minute to steal credit. Of course he's already done that with the recent GI Bill that he opposed.

4. Pundits were making a valid point yesterday. Do you prefer steady calm leadership or someone who will always go for the big splash, hail mary?

5. One could argue that McCain's first reaction after 9/11 and the Anthrax...attack Iraq. I believe the President that Saddam attacked us. We will be greeted as liberators, the oil will pay for this 6 month war etc. Compare that with his fundamentals are strong comment, show that his first, shoot from the hip instinct is woefully wrong.

"He is such a BHO butt boy."

Fry, I never sensed that...but, his distaste for Mr Bush is manifest.

yes.....sorry......LOUISIANA'S SONG by kerry madden, not ms hotaling

5. One could argue that McCain's first reaction after 9/11 and the Anthrax...attack Iraq. I believe the President that Saddam attacked us. We will be greeted as liberators, the oil will pay for this 6 month war etc. Compare that with his fundamentals are strong comment, show that his first, shoot from the hip instinct is woefully wrong.

Posted by: Inconsequential Voter | September 25, 2008 12:28 PM

We have a winner!

IV

Perhaps that is "why" his eye is now bulging.

Say it straight, OR show it crooked (or bulging, for that matter).

I am sure this will be viewed as McCain's failing moment as he is one cat that has used-up his nine lives.

I'm surprised by some of the comments on here today suggesting that McCain was doing anything other than trying to cover his backside by being a no-show Friday night, and, try to politicize it to his advantage by making the ~sacrafice to suspend his campaign.

I thought it was appropriate that he wore a yellow tie when he made the announcement. He's too yellow to debate right now; he can be directly connected to too much of this mess & prior financial fiascos.

He's showing his true color right now & it's yellow.

Blonde,

Well if that is the case BHO might as well go home how because his record both in the Senate and in Illinois is pretty...well you said it best a while back. Empty. Talk as you know is cheap, and so far all BHO has done is talk.

Posted by: FryDaddy | September 25, 2008 12:08 PM

Fry...I do not disagree with you about BHO, but I will vote this election cycle and I have chosen the lesser of two evils in my eyes. I really believe the dems won the coin toss for the election this year and I do not want to see a tie, once again. So I am voting for Obama. I just cannot let the repugs continue...if I could vote for John Kerry, I surely can vote for Obama. I am just not funding this year.

xrep...thank you...I love the humor bone (as opposed to my funny bone)

Chloe..You couldn't be more off base.

The people Craig interviewed had different viewpoints.

They were honest and clearly stated their observations.

I enjoy different views, not the predictable drivel that we see on a daily basis by a small group of dysfunctional people on this blog.

Blonde - Ha! They might try that as an ad with the PUMA holdouts at the end of October. If you could bring
yourself to vote for Kerrey, surely you can do the same for Obama.

Actually, it looks like McShame is starting to have a meltdown. I imagine that this will drive more folks away from him.

Missed this one yesterday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_go_co/lieberman_democrats;_ylt=AlsMgU0jMzEGDiO0lF0i1PhH2ocA

CALL MCCAIN BLUFF!

the dems need to call mccain bluff. mccain has said he wont attend the debate if a deal is not signed. the debate commission said the debate will go on with or without mccain. the dems should drag out the bailout deal til saturday or sunday to see if mccain doesnt show. and if he doesnt show it will be obamaat the debates by himself which will be good. as long as deal happen before markets open on monday monrr u will avoid a market crash on monday. mccain is playing dirty politics its time that his bluff be called!

Off to worik..have a nice day..

Craig...I did enjoy the video...Coffee Pot looks like it has a great bar...probably not much of a wine list or cellar, but a shot with breakfast always appeals to me.

McCain should send Palin to debate Obama

After all that's what vps do --stand in when the president is busy.

sock...Letterman suggested the same thing.

the dems should drag out the bailout deal til saturday or sunday to see if mccain doesnt show. and if he doesnt show it will be obamaat the debates by himself which will be good.

Do you think the American people care more about the debate or more about the failing financial economy? If D's are seen as delaying tactics and McCain stay around an finally gets this thing through who would be seen in a more favorable light, the one who stayed around to do the heavy lifting, or the one who left to get more face time on TV? Putting yourself above country when the country may be on the brink of a financial meltdown will be seen as the more courageous and patriotic thing to do. Remember all JM asked was to delay this debate, not cancel it. Apparently it is BHO who can't do more than one thing at a time. When a country is looking for a new dealer to lead them out of a crisis, BHO will be seen as sneaking out the side door.

Blonde Wino

Plenty of people like mud wrestling.

"CALL MCCAIN BLUFF!"

Oh, yes, please do. Once that's done, we'll surely have an interesting rest of the campaign--watching Mr Obama doing the 'Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy'.

Sturg: The Leonard Cohen video was great. Everybody knows...

Craig: The video was very well done. You just might be the next Charles Kuralt and On the Road.

OK, everyone, back to your usual bitching at each other.

Please, even Sarah Palin could out-debate Obama.

"Craig: The video was very well done. You just might be the next Charles Kuralt and On the Road." eprof2

Great.

sock...I think most of us would enjoy mud wrestling with hot, young bodies instead of old has beens. Just an opinion, of course.

Is anyone here, who uses Firefox as a browser, experiencing a lot of crashes with it in the last week?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150419

Then I apologize Oregon. I misinterpreted your post.

I always enjoy reading what you have to say, and therefore was surprised because I thought you were criticizing the site as a whole. I also felt Craigs blog was a little slanted today, but am maybe wrong about that too. So, therefore, I apologize to both of you.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

Bear, I just got an FF update but not any problems more than normal.

Blonde Wino

Agreed.

Muddy socks...it makes me smile.

I realize this is a pipe dream, but I wish that this bailout could not be politicized by either side.
http://www.entertonement.com/collections/4169/John-McCain-Delays-Campaign

FRY,

cant believe u cant see through this BS by mccain, pure BS, this situation has been known for over 6 months could have been dealt with then, but this admin held it just before the election to push it through. they have played politics with war, privacy and now our financial system, and mcclueless has gone right along with them. everybody in the financial markets know that no major sell orders will hit the market til monday mornn so spare me of the nobleness of JM BS tactics!

G Man,
i hope this wasn't the news you were forecasting last week because if so......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/man-arrested-for-approach_n_128542.html

Heather Wilson (R NM, justice department operative) looks a lot 'lesser' than normal. (She is speaking on BONBC.)

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150431
"Is anyone here, who uses Firefox as a browser, experiencing a lot of crashes with it in the last week? "Posted by: Bear | September 25, 2008 1:08 PM

Bear, I haven't had problems with Firefox. Have you upgraded it lately. I have had to uninstall it and reinstall it a couple of times in the past though. A few people have recommended Chrome to me, but I haven't downloaded and tried it yet.

http://www.google.com/chrome/index.html?hl=en&brand=CHME&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ysm-na-us-sk&utm_medium=ysm&utm_term=Chrome

Now I really do have to get out of here.

Furthermore, once everything become signed, sealed and delivered, the market will sell the news! buy the rumour sell the news, imo will still see a market drop coming up to test dow 10k

Blonde wino,

Now I find your comments odd, last week you were all down on BHO for all the reasons you been citing since Team BHO screwed HRC. Nothing has changed except one thing. BHO can not deliver on any of his many give away promises. Reason, there is no money. So forget health insurance, forget the $1,000 a year heating allotment, forget the $4,000 to every college student who enters into community service, for get all the tax break he promised to give to 95% of Americans, forget everything because he has no $$$ to do any of them. And he can't tax the rich(?) because that would put us further in the toilet. He can't pull the troops out of Iraq on a escalated basis, but the one that are removed will be going to Afghanistan. Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, Russia, China, North Korea, OPEC. These are but a few of the problems facing the new president, and you feel comfortable with a Freshman do nothing, no body, know nothing, Senator at the helm? Pray for America, because we are going to need that and much more.

Blonde Wino

When the sun goes down, the tide goes out, the people gather round and they all
begin to shout.
Hey, Hey Uncle Dud
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud.
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi Mud.

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/r/ray_charles/mississippi_mud.html

Gallup Tracking tied

nanny...interesting thought, but I know Obama can see russia, iraq, iran,etc. from his house...he uses his computer and tv to do so. He doesn't rely on geography for his opine as McCain's VP pick does. McCain really believes Palin and Obama are equal in inexperience. This will be faulty thinking by McCain and company.

here is a freebie for either campaign....

The bailout will put a portfolio in every american pocket!

This update covers interviewing conducted Monday through Wednesday, and as such includes one night after McCain's announcement that he was suspending election campaigning and flying to Washington to help seek a bipartisan solution to the financial crisis. A night by night analysis of interviewing results, however, does not suggest that McCain had a dramatically better night against Obama on Wednesday. Instead, the data show that McCain has been doing slightly better for the last three days than he had in the previous week, and with some strong Obama days falling off of the rolling average, the race has moved to its current tied position. This is the first report since Sept. 13-15, in which Obama did not have at least a one percentage point edge.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx

Bear,

Is anyone here, who uses Firefox as a browser, experiencing a lot of crashes with it in the last week?

Yes. Ever since I downloaded their new 3.0.2 version. I also have been having problems with MS Outlook. Seems every time Firefox locks up so does Outlook. Going to give it till I come back off vacation then I am going back to their older version, this new version isn't doing all that well in my opinion.

shrimp boats is a'comin' there'll be daincin' tonight...

sock...thank you mississippi mud lyrics...loving it.

HRC supporters in June and HRC supporters in September have remained the same for supporting BHO at 58%

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bush.html?hp

"After the overnight drafting efforts on both sides of Capitol Hill — with pizza on the House side, and Thai food in the Senate — Democratic officials said they had nearly completed a unified draft of a bill. (Negotiations between the House and the Senate can be nearly as complicated as negotiations between Democrats and Republicans.)

"Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the Republican minority leader, sought to dispel any notion that a deal was imminent.

“There is no bipartisan deal at this time,” Mr. Boehner said. “There may be a deal among some Democrats, but House Republicans are not a part of it.”

"He was reacting to comments by Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, that an agreement was at hand.

"Speaking at a gathering in Midtown Manhattan, Senator McCain also said that no consensus had developed among lawmakers to support the plan.

* * *

"Democrats were hoping to reach a final agreement on the framework of a bill ahead of that meeting, partly to deny any credit to Mr. McCain, who took the bold step on Wednesday of suspending his campaign and announcing that he would return to Washington to help secure a deal. Democrats said they did not need his help.

"Republicans were not expected to voice any final agreement until after the 3:55 p.m. meeting at the White House, partly in deference to Mr. McCain and partly because they have been clamoring for the Bush administration to give them more aggressive political support before endorsing a plan that so far has been unpopular with the public."

Now who's delaying what for partisan purposes?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150453

Blondie - just in case you're confused since Limpballs is quoting some conservative economist who says the the bailout will eventually result in a $3T windfall for the taxpayers, you may ignore Fry's comments about there being no money. Besides, Reagan and Bush showed us that deficit spending is perfectly acceptable to Republicans - they raised it to an art form. Since our money has no standard to which it is tied, there is as much money as the government wants to release - the only (well, actually there are others) caveat is that if it is not offset by revenue, it drives up the debt and the dollar's value in the world economy goes down, then foreign goods get more expensive and US goods get cheaper abroad, more US goods are bought both here and there and revenues go up. Got it?

Is that a portfolio in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

obama will be very well prepared, the man does his homework, he's been practicing for this debate since last week.

LMAO. But he doesn't do well when hit with topics he hasn't prepared for, and there are numerous situations that can spring up in an instant and no amount of teleprompters will us from the avalanche of "ahs' and "uhs". His record so far is 42 to answer 1 such question.

sturg...lol, pogo....got it!

nannyM, I just heard Haley Barbour say the debate is on, he's looking forward to it, is as proud as punch that it's being held in Miss'ssippi and hosted by Ole Miss. Ya gotta figure that paleoRepublican talked with McCain's guys before he came out with a statement like that.

Fry, I don't doubt your citation of 42 ums and ahs, but do you have a link to that tally?

pogo,

Didn't Jimmy Carter do that, print money and more money. Sure you can print all the money you want, unfortunately this is world wide economy and the $$$ will be worthless out side the US, which mean the cost of imports will be prohibited. Printing more $$$ also raises the chance of inflation, and you reduce inflation by raising interest rates. Inflation high interest rates, sounds like Jimmy carter all over again.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150436

blondie - you can put me down as a yes vote on that issue.

Fry...it's only paper in a society trying to achieve a paperless society....electronic money is the new fabric. I believe we all get a five dollar credit if we go paperless.

pogo I'll look, but this happened right after the D convention, so that has been a while. Might be on Youtube. If I am not mistaken BHO was with Joe Biden when he unleashed this stuttering ah and uh burst. Was quite funny, but not as funny has BHO saying there are 57 states, maybe he was thinking of Heinz 57 sauce.

flatus, if it included free tuition, room & board for LP, I just might consider going to Solebury. I'm ummmm, less than impressed by the education he's getting here.

First it was Blacks, and now it is Jews.

Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/florida-congres.html

nannny...mccain did throw-off the Obama campaign by the selection of Palin....but, I doubt if they can fool him again. If they do, then they deserve to win. Now, how many false surprises before October? Perhaps the October surprise will not materialize...that being the surprise.

This election year sure has a large wounded and casualty list --

S. Tubbs (really a loss)
J. Edwards
E. Spitzer
T. Kennedy
E. Belles
B. Clinton
H. Clinton

and many more, I am sure...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26874567/

I wonder if this will be fixed in any overhaul of the medical system...

Wow..I am late, must go....I think I am enjoying the mud in the mix.

Fry, it's what Reagan did. Compared to Reagan, Carter was a piker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#United_States

Deal or No Deal.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8523

Wondering why some always want the contest to end before it's over.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bush.html?hp

Looks like they didn't need McCain and Obama's help after all. Put the horse back in its stall.

Debate back on? Any "official" word from the McCain camp?

IT, you either learn to ignore it, relax and live with it, or argue with it. Make your own choice.

It took Reagan's his first 2 years to undo the Carter mess. And this is the reason why our current fhis fianacial mess will be with us for many a years.

In Bill Clinton's own words.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5427481

Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader, was huddling with McCain on the rescue. Earlier, asked whether the GOP presidential nominee could corral restive Republicans to support the plan, Boehner said, "Who knows?"

And Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the only House Republican in the bargaining meeting, did not directly say he agreed with the other lawmakers who emerged describing an imminent deal.

"There was progress today," said Bachus, the senior Republican on the Financial Services panel.

Off to the races for a week. No news for a week. Be nice to chloe, and chloe don't take any prisoners. You'll only have to feed them and they'll slow you down. ;-)

“I now expect we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate, be signed by the president, and bring a sense of certainty to this crisis that is still roiling in the markets,” said Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah. “That is our primary responsibility, and I think we our now prepared to meet it.”

And Mr. Bennett, one of the senior members of the banking committee, made a point of describing the meeting as free of political “posturing” in remarks that seemed aimed at Mr. McCain, who announced on Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to help secure a deal.

Republicans have no intention of voting for the Democrats plan and a large number of blue dog Democrats are with the GOP.

Have a good one, Fry - btw - I can't open video files, so I don't know what Clinton's words were - you are changing the subject - but I can read a graph, and I can count - Reagan expanded the money supply much nore than Carter did and it took Clinton 4 years to undo the mess Reagan, then Bush 41 left the economy in. George has done more to screw it up than any of them could have dreamed.

Sock, you're behind in your reading or Boner's trying to cover for McCain.

$612 billion yesterday for defense, $300 billion last week for bailout, and another $700 billion this week for extended bailout. But, no money for health care, no money for schools, no money for...anything. A billion here, a billion there, and now we're talking about some real money. Hold onto your wallet!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150314

Dog,

I'm with you. This hurry up and do something because the sky is falling that seems to have come out of nowhere is highly suspect. You cannot tell me that no one suspected things might be in a state of complete cock up. So if they knew it was coming, why didn't somebody at least raise their hand and say, "May I have your attention, please".

Usually, all that is needed to resolve a crisis is to decide there is an emergency, have someone assume leadership, and tell the chickens running around in circles to stop squawking, that the matter will be handled. You rarely have to do everything at once.

Mr. Pogo

I don't think so

Roll Call confirms my reporting with a Breaking News alert titled: Members Say Deal Near; Boehner Disagrees. Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Schumer and the whole Democratic leadership crew have been crowing about how a bipartisan deal is happening, they are just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Boehner just said that this is bullshit. And frankly, the information I have suggests that the negotiations are still ongoing, and a deal is not finalized. Remember, finalized means agreed to by both House leadership, Senate leadership, the administration, and the House rank and file. My guess is that the leadership is all set to go with a shitty bailout, the Republican rank and file are saying 'hell no', the Bush Dogs are pushing for a shitty bailout, and the other rank and file Democrats don't realize the power they have to stop this pile of steaming pig shit.
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8523

sock if what you're saying is right, it flies against almost everything being reported this afternoon. You could be right, but it doesn't look like it to me.

"I now expect we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate, be signed by the president, and bring a sense of certainty to this crisis that is still roiling in the markets,” said Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah. “That is our primary responsibility, and I think we our now prepared to meet it.”

"And Mr. Bennett, one of the senior members of the banking committee, made a point of describing the meeting as free of political “posturing” in remarks that seemed aimed at Mr. McCain, who announced on Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to help secure a deal.

“I appreciate very much my Republican colleagues who participated in the meeting and added tremendously,” Mr. Bennett said. “We focused on solving the problem, rather than posturing politically and it was one of the most productive sessions in that regard that I have participated in since I have been in the Senate.”

"On Wall Street, shares, which had opened higher, rose sharply on expectations of a rescue plan. The Dow Jones industrial average was up more than 290 points at midday."

That doesn't sound like a Democrats' plan to me, and in light of the market's rise on anticipation of the deal (despite reports of broad public opposition and three terrible economic reports released today), the Repugs would be absolute fools to vote against it.

"flatus, if it included free tuition, room & board for LP, I just might consider going to Solebury. I'm ummmm, less than impressed by the education he's getting here."

I think it probably would...and maybe a dwelling as well. Do you think you could rough it in Bucks County?

The current Head just arrived this summer--but he probably knows of our family. Call and use our name. Columbus Day is right around the corner--you could probably make a nice weekend of it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150482

I'm really upset about the first one and the last three.

Mr. Pogo

You may be right it was just a ploy to give McCain cover
Boner is now saying there is basic agreement.

"That doesn't sound like a Democrats' plan to me, and in light of the market's rise on anticipation of the deal (despite reports of broad public opposition and three terrible economic reports released today), the Repugs would be absolute fools to vote against it."

Any politician who doesn't characterize it as a consensus plan, or a bipartisan plan, or an American plan, is doing the country a disservice.

Mr. Sock Drawer,

Question for you. Does your analysis lead you to conclude that the Republican's in Congress will force this bailout to be done just by Democrats?

If so, do you think the Republican's are doing so as a way they can have their issue, a clear demonstration of how they differed with there currently unpopular president?

If that is the true rationale, are they still able to make a claim they are putting country first then?

Sock, I think Boner's brain has been dessicated by too much time in the tanning bed. He i sthe worst the Repugs have to offer, so he's their leader in the House. Obviously, the man has no shame, and there's nothing important enough for him to put politics aside. I suspect that even Dick Shelby would have liked to deitch slap him for trying to delay progress on the bill.

Oh, and please, it's just Pogo - Mr. Pogo would be my dad (I guess). When I'm old enough to draw
social Security (as if it will be around when that happens) or when Little Pogo goes to college you may call me Mr. Pogo. I promise to let you know when that is.

flatus, you would be exactly right about that IMHO. At $700B it had better be.

that would be: "He is the worst" and "be-itch slap". damn typose.

Inconsequential Voter

Yes. Yes. No but that won't stop them from saying it .
Republicans make partisan hackery to an art form.

Pogo

Shelby: Notably absent from the group was Senator Richard Shelby, the ranking Republican on Dodd's committee and a leading critic of the proposal. He has declared he would not support the mammoth intrusion into capital markets unless other alternatives had been considered.

IV, I know you addressed that to sock, but if that's the case - in light of the opinionof the heads of the Treasury and the Fed that the financial system is in jeopardy and on the verge of collapse if the measure isn't passed, going on record to oppose the administration's financial bail out package amounting to about 1/4 of the entire budget for FY 2007 (20% of the whole if it were part of that budget) whose intent is to rescue the economy from the effects of 8 years of the Administration's laissez faire approach to financial markets and 8 years of lockstep support of every other legislative effort of the administration just to demonstrate a one-time difference between them and the president is a stand to take that is stupid beyond measure.

Sock - interesting about Shelby. I'll closely follow the vote on the bill to see what he ends up doing.

Oh my. Here I am on the side of the Republican hold outs. Mike Spence is making sense

http://mikepence.house.gov/multimedia/

There is something consistent going on here. My naturaly reaction to Chicken Little and other fan clubs is to doubt that the sky is really falling until a cloud hits me on the head.

Inconsequential Voter

Republican members of Congress have seen their poll numbers come up recently and this is a good issue for them
Grassroots groups and online activists rally against the proposed taxpayer rescue of Wall Street.
By Ben Rooney, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: September 25, 2008: 2:45 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The public backlash against the Bush administration's proposal to use tax dollars to bailout Wall Street could spill into the streets Thursday.

"People all over the country are up in arms about this," said David Elliot, a spokesman for grassroots advocacy group UsAction. "Our members are livid, and they're hitting the streets."

At present, there are 220 events planed in more than 30 states to protest the bailout, according to organizers at TrueMajority.com.

Did the kiddy pool close?

Santa Cruz – Have your voices heard. There will be a nationwide protest of the proposed Wall Street Bail Out, September 25th, 2008.

Santa Cruz – Have your voices heard. There will be a nationwide protest of the proposed Wall Street Bail Out, September 25th, 2008.
Longtime Indypendent reporter and editor Arun (A.K.) Gupta was outraged by the government bailout of Wall Street and sent out an email to New York City circles urging people to take to the streets in protest at Bowling Green Park near Wall Street, Thursday, Sept. 25. Tapping into a sea of rage across the nation, more than 100 demonstrations have now been planned in cities across the country. To search for a protest near you, or to start your own, visit True Majority or United for Peace and Justice.
http://september252008.wordpress.com/
Clock Tower at 5PM?

http://www.truemajority.org/

nice way to talk about your peeps

This certainly is a bit scathing...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-note-to-bill-clinton_b_128755.html

"Have your voices heard. "

Remarkable facet of our form of government, a representative democracy, we make our voices heard every time there's an election.

And, of course, we have our constitutionally guaranteed right of free speech.

But, demonstrations seldom have a uniting effect.

If I were immersed in a vat of liquid like a litmus strip, it would glaringly test positive for liberal Democrat. In speech, manner, appearance, and even by inclinations I could easily pass for a liberal Dem. I have even walked the streets of NYC, undetected, without someone pulling a face, thinking I was a tourist or worse from N.J. I bring this up now because I have been troubled by the ferocity of how some have characterized Sarah Palin.

I began thinking why should having opposing views have turned Sarah Palin into a female "Attila?" In defense of Palin, I will simply say; "I like Sarah. I find her genuine, confident, poised and strong under fire, and has the gift of a common touch.

The intemperate comments of many on this site against Palin, lacked reason and grace, and seemed most hurtful from former Hillary backers who defended her so gallantly, and now have attacked Palin so senselessly. Yet this was not the catalyst that prompted me to write this post. I was watching Fox's Greta Van Susteren and was disturbed to hear that CBC journalist Heather Mallick compared Sarah to a "porn star" and called her a "vicious liar." Which made Greta, step out of character, drop the gauntlet calling the columnist "a pig." I was proud of Greta, proud that she and husband supported Hillary, and pleased that his support has migrated to McC.

Sometimes I feel like "Harold," Monty Python's most dangerous of animals "clever sheep." like "Harold" I take flight from what I perceive to be a flawed and risky outcome, sitting contentedly in the boughs of a laurel tree. I don't have to follow the DNC, the media's talking heads, or succumb to this site's woefully acerbic Siren's song.
.
PUMA is still around? It just seems silly & prideful at this point.
Posted by: blueINdallas

I neither support the absolutism of best intentions, nor the tyranny of malice often displayed here and in the MSM against Sarah. Reading the posts since Palin was nominated has brought to the forefront how quickly this site has lost its ability to remain objective.

I say this in the full knowledge that my support for McC runs counter to many, and if that is deemed prideful, I plead guilty, but surely voting one's conscience should be viewed as rather prosaic and should convey little else.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

It seems to me that after watching McCain the last 2 weeks, he seems to be at his campaign best when he steals from Obama.

He did it with success with the change theme and the fact that he has adopted all of Obama's principles for the bailout as his own, it continues.

At first I couldn't figure out why he would be doing that until I remember that he graduated 894 or 899 at Annapolis. It's obvious that he only made it into such a prestigious university since he was a legacy. I wonder if he had to borrow from others at school in order to graduate.

It's another scary parallel to the current president that he must always steal from others (hello blackberry) instead of offering something real to us.

He has claimed to be so much better than Obama and yet he's only been able to succeed at making fun of the nerdy guy. Not only has he done that, but he's had to get the "pretty cheerleader" to put on his arm so people would notice him again and I think it's sad.

"I say this in the full knowledge that my support for McC runs counter to many, and if that is deemed prideful, I plead guilty, but surely voting one's conscience should be viewed as rather prosaic and should convey little else."

Toast,

Nice post.

Listening to the rants of the unhinged left makes me want to lock my doors and buy new batteries for our intrusion alarms. I am totally disinclined to vote for any candidate they support.

Toast, I understand PUMA and speak it at every opportunity.

Flatus
Card carrying member of the ACLU and the ADA as well as a former yellow-dog Democrat. But, still a Blue Dog Democrat at heart.

toast, how's this - Sarah Palin is an immoderate and intemperate conservative idealogue and the thought of Sarah Palin as POTUS (should John McCain somehow not be able to serve) scares me even more than the thought of another term of George Bush as POTUS. You'll note nothing about Attilla the Hun or Palin's credentials as a liar (which has been pretty well documented) or porn star (which I doubt).

Well, it's been fun - toodle-oo.

Evidently not all in Oregon are enamored of Obama.
Effigy found hanging in tree on College Campus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/24/2008-09-24_barack_obama_effigy_found_hanging_on_uni.html

Julie,

"Taped to the cardboard cutout of Obama was a sign that read "Act Six reject." Act Six is a scholarship program geared toward increasing the number of minority and low-income students at several Christian colleges, mostly in the Northwest."

It seems a college GOP'er was flexing his free speech muscles. I wonder though, wouldn't it be more appropriate to mockingly crucify him rather than lynch him?

This is the second bit of horrifying medical news today...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26890724/

Man claims penis amputated without consent

All I can say is huh?!?

McCain pounded the table when Axlerod gave him the opening with the joint statement ploy.

This certainly is a bit scathing...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-note-to-bill-clinton_b_128755.html

Posted by: Inconsequential Voter | September 25, 2008 3:47 PM

That post was ridiculous. It wasn't Bill Clinton's blow jobs that cost the election. What a dumbass. It was the incompetence of Donna Brazile's AMAZING leadership, also a bit on Al Gore, and the idiots who thought voting Ralph Nader would be a "cool thing to do". And besides, the fact is, Gore did win til the Supremes butted in.

Evidently not all in Oregon are enamored of Obama.
Effigy found hanging in tree on College Campus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/24/2008-09-24_barack_obama_effigy_found_hanging_on_uni.html

Posted by: Julie Young | September 25, 2008 4:24 PM

Wow Julie, the way you posted that, you sound positively DELIGHTED !

THAT"s it ! Does Ovaltine still exist? I hated that stuff.

Question for the polling data junkies...

After looking at the state polls on RealClearPolitics.com, it seems that Obama's polling data puts him right in line with where Gore and Kerry performed in his weakest states and is outperforming in some of his stronger.

Is there state data that shows him doing worse than Kerry in 2004?

I do see that McCain has improved upon Bush's numbers in places like Arkansas and Alabama but why is he even with what Bush did in 2004 in Arizona? I don't get this.

Last night, little george said that the bankers wouldn't make any money from the bushmccaincheney plan, which seemed beside the point.

Does anyone believe he didn't notice that the horses left the corral years ago ? I read that Lehman Bros' Swindler-In-Chief made $200 M!LL!ON in the last 4 years, counting bonuses based on the fraudulent bundling and the cooked derivatives. The made out like bandits (an apt phrase) on this bailout business.

Our Capo probably meant that the grifters would NEVER make any more from this latest republican bailout. All this reminds me of the deal brother, neil bush made to avoid prison after he looted the Silverado Savings and Loan of $20 M!LL!ON : banishment from the financial industry FOREVER. For most of us, forever and never are really long units of time. But, for republican criminals, forever is about 2 years.

I'll bet that neil bush is somewhere in the bushes nearby, and I'll bet that he won't hardly make much of anything on big brother's bailout scheme. Not EVER.

Ah but Julie, Oregon has a long history of Ku Klux Klan...

http://www.ohs.org/education/oregonhistory/historical_records/dspDocument.cfm?doc_ID=419C6376-F5D3-411B-1319F7210FB9FB94

I remember learning this in a college course, and Yes, I was surprised at it... greatly.

Tom

P.S. Sorry for misreading your intent. I find myself feeling more edgy as the election season progresses...

Bear,

In most blue and swing states O is also polling better than Gore's GE %.

Try realclearpolitics.com . They have all sorts of maps and side-by-side comparisons.

AZ is losing old republicans at an alarming rate. They are old and failing. Because they are old, they are not reproducing. These are mostly old WWII and Korea vets who think mccain is some kind of war hero, rather than just a flier who was unlucky enough to get shot down and captured.

EuroTom,

In your September 24, 2008 1:00 PM, post - it is clear that we both have doubts about our respective choices, you see McC as reckless and I see Obama as lacking resolve. Yet what we both have in common was our joint belief that Hillary had the experience, wisdom, and fortitude to be Commander In Chief.

I have been measured in my criticism of Obama limiting myself to "key words" gleaned from his most passionate supporters in the MSM, to bolster my reasoning I turned to BO's own ardent backers who publicly stated their misgivings regarding his "pugnacity" and "strength."

Your comment "I'd take pretty much ANY Democrat over pretty much ANY Republican." I agree, if you would simply expunge the word ANY for MOST.

Your comment regarding "face to face negotiations" a sticky wicket, that.

I remember vividly how Obama firmly defended his willingness to meet despots, only to nuance that issue till it is near death and meaningless. I hold that Iran's A'jax will never succumb to Obama's entreaties, NEVER. I believe we should always press diplomacy first but as a realist it will prove useless in deterring Iran from going nuclear. I think I will use Hamas as my guidepost when they state they will NEVER make peace with Israel, I take them at their word, sometimes sadly, never, means never.

ET, your comment that; "we need the Dems stewardship of the economy and our social obligations, is absolutely true, but I fear the Dems will overreach and that may well lead to excesses. Divided government on the other hand will provide some of the needed social obligations with greater safety IMHO.

Also your comment; "Barack Obama is not a bad person. I happen to think he is a very good person." I too think BO is a fine person, gifted, inspiring, and my opposition is based on his readiness to be C.I.C. in a dangerous and uncertain world.

ET, I read your posts and find you a truly caring and thoughtful chap, and regarding one area we seem to have kindred leanings is religion. Personally I keep all religious matters, like dusty artifacts in an old cheese box in the darkest recesses of the basement with the wine, hoping it will improve with age but knowing it will not.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Exrep.

Don't leave out Jeb. His most recent bit of bad behavior -consultant to Lehman Bros selling bad mortgage debt to the state of Fla.

The Bush family needs to go into a witless protection program (I stole this)

Toast, your tenacity may become contagious.
Keep it up

IV

If you are still around...

"TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY PAULSON (the one with 500 million) FEARS BAILOUT DEAL MAY COLLAPSE; PLEADS WITH DEMS, 'PLEASE DON'T BLOW THIS UP,' ABC NEWS HAS LEARNED

Why weren't Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr and the rest of the Presidential candidates invited to Bush's special meeting with Obama and McCain?

Is the assumption that either McCain or Obama will be the next president? How would they know? The election hasn't been held yet. Is the assumption being made based on polls? Is that how our country is governed now, by sponsored polls? Why have an election at all?

Now... who still thinks this is an genuine 'election', rather than political theater? Show of hands.

Animal Control,

Thanks, I appreciate it.

toast

Notice also that most if not all media coverage of the current crisis focuses on a 'bailout' and the negotiation of one, as if that's the only solution to the problem. Bailout, bailout, bailout! Say it enough times and you'll be more comfortable with it.

Not my side and not your conversation
Adults were discussing the Republican strategy

Hand up for "political theater"

Hey Chloe
Thanks so much for your kindness and I'm genuinely touched! I still can't believe last nights comments,they were a real eye opener for me...I feel very disappointed in some who I thought were true blue.....I'm not leaving though cause I love all I learn here...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150395

Wondering why some are so concerned with the idea of sides ..wondering if it was because they were always picked last.

Not a bad day for me. I see you have done nothing useful today as usual

I'm back.... Found it a mentioned this AM....
from wsj on line

Sen. Obama said that when Sen. McCain suggested delaying the debate, "I thought this was something he was mulling over," adding that perhaps Sen. McCain was more decisive

5 generations of confederate expatriates and how they grew........in Brazil

http://gardenandgun.com/stories/features/the_lost_confederados-157#1

Sturg,
As one with a picture of THE GENERAL hanging in my house, I find that link and story very interesting.
And also working for a large Global company - have a few Brazilians in my group.
We in the US can learn a few things from Brazil

McCain Plays It Like McCain
"....Instead, I suspect that, as with the Palin pick, this is McCain being McCain. He didn't like the situation. So, he did something. We've seen him do stuff like this again and again over the years. Lieberman gave the best description of McCain at the Republican convention: he's a restless reformer. I think that McCain being McCain, he felt restless - so he went to Washington to do something."

"Regardless of how we might feel about his decision - we can agree that McCain has once again affected the race by his actions. This is the second time he has done this in a month. It's become an ironic feature of this campaign. While most agree that the election will hinge upon public considerations of Barack Obama, so much of the campaign itself has hinged upon the actions of John McCain."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/09/mccain_plays_it_likemccain.html

Rita

"probably half of the AA community believes in "Obeah", what's the difference?"

Even if this were true, which it isn't, none of them are running to be VP.

Palin is totally unprepared and unqualified for the job.

What are the qualifications to be Vice President?

A person must be a native-born citizen at least 35 years of age and a resident of the united states for at least 14 years.The Vice President is elected for a term of four years.

Jamie,

I would far rather have a vp nominee with the experience Sarah Palin has than the most inexperienced empty suited, inept man ever put up for president as the man now trying to occupy that seat.
Joe Biden said it himself. The presidency is no place to acquire the experience. When the country has so many dire problems , the need for McCain's experience far outweighs Palin as vp . She sure beats Obama in the experience field..

Ping.....the train, or Robert E. ?

Toast

"If I were immersed in a vat of liquid like a litmus strip, it would glaringly test positive for liberal Democrat"

If the above is true and you are still voting for McCain/Palin, something must have polluted the test sollution.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150612

Julie,

McCain showed up at the meeting with a campaign aide. Obama showed up with his financial advisor.

The empty suit seems to have been on the Republican.

yes, the hamsters are still running....lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHu8LAWSKxU

Maybe we should give them names : )

JP Morgan is buying Washington Mutual.

I think the bailout bill is bad and the Democrats should walk away from the table at this point. There is nothing in the bill for consumers. Democrats didn't get anything but oversight.

This post speaks for me.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/25/mccain-and-house-republicans-shred-bill-more-deregulation/

I think intelligence, vision and judgment far outweighs 26 years of Washington experience.

I also think McCain's beliigerence could lead to some severe and negative consequences as tensions rise with Iran and Russia.

(Btw - where did all that tough talk with Russia get us... They did exactly what they wanted to do in Georgia - and now Russia is pulling back its support in helping deal with Iran. "Mission Accomplished" McCain?)

Finally, McCain has stated and demonstrated that the economy is not his strong suit. His lack of understanding - and the fact he still believes in Republican principles of the "free market" and "deregulation" (regardless of what he says on the campaign trail) - should have voters running for the hills!!

Oh my another evangelist wants the little children to come unto him

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080925/Evangelist.Child.Porn/

Notice how the best argument for Obama is that he may not be as bad as McCain. What wonderful options we've been given by our masters.

gives new meaniing to "suffer unto me the little children", eh?

Champ,
I am sorry but I have to ask, have you been reading any of the supporting links to the comments posted here?

Or you one of those that seek perfection out of a non-perfect world?

Aren't I cute

I have a pet hamster named Bri Bri

sturgeone backs slooooowly away from the piano towards the swinging doors as Champ slowly turns his gaze towards the Burrito, and............

I wonder if they have hamster handlers at Bri Bri's church

or maybe it's gerbils

It never stops.....lmao.....

I have a project I am working onand I have to thank each and everyone of you ....this has been a wealth of resources

it's amazing that McCain would run for president......he has it all.....rich blonde wife, houses all over the map, 13 automobiles, powerful senator.......why on earth would someone in his position at his age put himself out there for this absolutely foolish quest to be the successor to Bush?

It's just nuts...........and perhaps the best proof that he's just too old.

does it involve popsickle sticks?

No S, he's just nutz

Aren't I cute

I have a pet hamster named Bri Bri

Posted by: Tacky Taco | September 25, 2008 9:09 PM

any guess on the person cowering behind the curtain?

Wellllll excccuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

I wonder if they have hamster handlers at Bri Bri's place of worship or maybe it's gerbils

Hey Sturg,

I am reminded that the other day you mentioned something about the rethugs just wanting Obama to win so that they could blame all the problems on the Dems. Well is it possible that the stink bomb blew of six months earlier than planned.?

sturge,

Is there an opposite of tongue depressors?

Tongue elators would be a project on which I'd work...

It's me the great and powerful OZ or is it Tony or is it Patsi
what the f--k do you care. Why not ignore it you have such contempt

Let me see if I smell any garlic. sniff sniff.

sturge, out of curiosity , where you asking about my project and the Popsicle sticks?

Supporting links? Perfection in a non-perfect world? Say wha now?

I don't know if you were trying to impugn me or engage me; you'll have to be more clear towards either end.

well.....if it were not for the part about being handed $700 billion with no oversight and no strings attached, and no possibility of review, that could be a possibility.........then again, could be a well planned going away party for the big boys.........Kind of a "Y'all keep in touch, now, y'heah?" With the strain on the economy (ha ha ha ha ha) making it tough for obama to get things he wants to accomplish etc etc......

but there are no clues messing up my immediate area.......just great big question marks.......

There are plenty of clues, Sturge.

all I did what ask a question,

I should have known

He y Rez ...you here?

Ok Sturg,
Just tell me when goes off. It would help to have a little lead time too.

Out of curiosity do any of you visit the Back Channel blog?

Hi UB,
Just got in from playing a little pitch.(two deck)

Hey Champ how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Sometimes my parents let me stay up late and play on the computer.

I think I read an epitaph.

Or half an epitaph perhaph...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzhJKy8H_A

Just what I thought, Oliver Twist

Actually no, I just wondered

nothing more nothing less Champ

Champ

You are not saying a damn thing. You are simply picking on people like some smart ass in the third-grade.

(Not unlike many of the people you slam on this blog for doing the exact same thing.)

god Rez...I ready to play the tables...good thing there are far enough away ....I hope you did well : ) or at least had fun!

Much better version of Oliver Twist!

Andrei Kravchuk's "Italianetz", a/k/a "The Italian" -- marvelous storytelling, shot as wonderfully as La Vie En Rose (both are really les vies en bleu) and a boy who acts in every sense.

It's on Netflix...

"UB and I? "

You mean UB and me, not I.

Actually champ-boy -man-thing, if you ever showed up at the BC you would be treated with respect.

you might just find it liberating.

I'm not picking on anyone, warren. Someone asked a question, I asked for clarification, they tried to provide some, I suppose, and then I answered it.

track you? haha, that's funny. FYI you have to post to have your IP recording. track you, LOL. Besides Champ doesn't your tin foil hat protect you from the likes of UB and I?

Normal tracking programs such as stat counter, record the ip address and the geographic location of anyone who visits the site. It's free

Yours must be inferior.

www.statcounter.com

Look out....wow...have you ever heard of the urban dictionary?

Grammar is as fluid as meaning...at least by today's standards.

Grammar is as fluid as meaning?

Next up -- ethics are as fluid as diarrhea.

braking news

breaking news

" god save us from such help" Barney Frank commenting on McCain's offer of help

La Vie En Rose

I love the version by Louis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbHAvBfmvFM

News is stopping????

GD republicans....damn...anon p was right

No answer to my 9:56? Didn't think so. Okay, you guys can have your Twilight Zone back now.

most anonymous,

Keep an eye out for Terry Teachout's soonishly published Satchmo biography.

Also... second book of Dylan's Chronicles to hit Fourth Street positively by next spring!

Interfacing with the Mentally ill - Police Training Video 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUiMSwcIsO4

Tacky .....you are proving yourself an idiot.....so change your name and try again....coward.

Thanks. Will do

Actually...

More interesting news is that the federal government sold the fatally messed up WaMu out from under its own nose to the seriously messed up JP Morgan Chase.

They are enjoying saying that this will cause no trouble to either shareholders of or people holding accounts at Chase.

To be filed under: "The Germans said they were taking us to a better place..."

I'm an idiot -oh boy

I modeled myself after you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150566

Not only does it still exist, but it makes great chocolate malts. Fill blender half full of ice cream. Three heaping tablespoons of ovaltine. 1/2 cup milk

Whirl Away.

You don't know me so that moronic idea of yours will never work....

Can't you just be yourself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPeyrjPN5Qs

You aren't your real self here?

Are you watching CNN?!

Way to keep politics out of this McCain...

What a joke. It is now clear as day that McCain's campaign has always been about White House First!!

Where are the Bush/McCain cheerleaders now? Oh I forgot it's after 10 pm

"-boy -man-thing"

Classic signs of a sociopath are:

1. They have a lack of empathy for others
2. They are incapable of love or natural human compassion
3. They make a common practice of manipulative behavior
4. Often they are merciless and cold
5. They are always trying to justify behavior they know is wrong

6. They call 'people' things.

Never mind someone else answered my question.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150652

UB - If the author is someone whose writing I really like such as EProf, I'll stop by and read it. I actually wrote an article for it tomorrow.

CNN : some one just called Bush a "high functioning moron."

Hi 9/11

Birdie hasn't posted on her blog in ages. What has she been up to? I miss her.

John Fruciante's Curtains... (all mp3s)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EJ3WNIV0

Jamie,

She is mostly at her art classes, often studying under a fellow who was one of Grosz's students.

Also she is dremeling away at The Bunny Dog's endless nails and giving as many nine or ten year old boys as she can Johnny Ramone's haircut.

The best way to read her writing? Write to her, I'd say!

Very cool Jamie....you know it's just another place on the web.....to relate it to real life, it would be nothing more than another coffee shop at a different address.

I look forward to reading your thread.

I am pleased you keep your open mind, but actually as little I know of you, it is not at all surprising...

be true to yourself...... my dad's words

If not forgotten, less remembered --

Simon & Garfunkel's poised on a verge solo concert at then-Philharmonic Hall (Lincoln Center) in the fall (I think) of 1967.

Want to know where they played the most in NYC? I swear it was the old Forest Hills Tennis Stadium.

Again... all mp3s.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OVWZ783Z

There was one great thing about the weak, chockful of empty boxes Hamlet in Central Park this summer: the Polonius.

Without any departure from the script, the man was a father, a father and then a father. That Hamlet would kill a father, any father, such a father... well...

Be true to yourself indeed.

The album which never leaves the present?

Leonard Cohen's The Future.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WL9HT8R2

That guy at huffpost has a real problem - he talks about Bill's rage???? Jon Stewart was right - if Bill could run again, he'd get elected again.

Does anyone think the House repubs really have a plan? They're probably all - all of 'em - shaking in their boots considering they're all running again.

Did I hear Sarah Palin right? did she really say I'll get some for yuh? WOW - that's not even Barbie talk!

For sweetness to come, serve this with apples on Erev Rosh Hoshanah...

Tupelo Honey by Van Morrison.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EYX581VO

Those who attack Bill Clinton just don't get it. With some people, he can do nothing right.

The American people understand what an important political figure he coninues to be.

Bill Clinton knows how to speak to the people Democrats need to win elections.

Ardent Obama supporters who attack Bill or Hillary only make more difficult the reconciliation that is essential for victory.

OSU leads USC 21-0 at halftime..We're all in a bit of shock. Most fans I know were just hoping not to be humiliated. I hope the 2nd half holds up.. USC is a class program..

okay , I am leaving now
Please find out whatever psychosis that I display then throw it my face Manaña.

That should keep the hamsters busy.

over dose

9/11 - I have to say I did not understand your Hamlet comments. I love the play, but consider the man himself to be one of my candidates for my list of goose-ables - he was in dire need of receiving such action.

sorry.......it was the witches that made me do it ....just ask Sarah

http://i38.tinypic.com/2lvzqe0.jpg

sleep tight repugs.....

Greta on fox tonight asked WHo do you think Bill Clinton will vote for total votes 18,996

Obama 3654 votes

McCain 15342 votes

Greta Van Susteran - has show called -On the Record

that voting information was priceless..

911,
Been a while. VM brings back a lot of good memories. Tupelo Honey. . Cambridge, Mass, 1972 Good ole days. i was just a punk.

Here's a good article that really puts things in perspective."Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Pundits"

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/32501

Alright. Again - no spin - just watch for yourself.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml

What do you think?

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

Just woke up... still tired and hope people can dial it in a bit with the personal attacks.

Hey ET,
Was out clubbing tonite and bumped into one of your old buds, jean eicholt. lol

After watching Palin with Couric - I think the main motivation to postpone tomorrow's debate is to postpone the VP debate.

Palin is very similar to Bush. She tries to make up for what she lacks in knowledge with certitude. A dangerous combination.

Her and angie skov were having a good time.:)

Warren,
plainly, she's just not very smart. That's all.

Chuck Todd's 'First Read" full of info..Michigan polling all over the place...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/25/1445957.aspx

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-turns-heads-with-debate.html#comment-150726

ET
Good luck with that...Last night I was accused of posting under aliases by someone I thought to be above reproach....

Here's some from Joe Biden on the campaign trail from Jake Tapper

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/

Ya es Hora, Ve y Vota!" It's Time, Go Vote"

This is neither a pro-Democratic or a pro-Republican effort," said Mike Fernandez, Vice President of Public Affairs, State Farm Insurance Companies, which helped fund the campaign." "It's pro-voting, and pro-American."

Interesting.

Two Leonard Cohen references in one day. So good!

9/11, nice to see your post. Hope all is going as well as expected. This place is only elevated when you're around.

I'm trying my best to understand why the Dem's are hauling Bush's water on this latest crisis. Let the MFer drown in a legacy of war and greed. There's only a few months left in Bush time so let the chips fall where they may in the meanwhile and face the crisis in January or February. Afterall, BushCo has seen this coming for quite awhile now so what's the rush this week?

eprof2,

I'd say the same about you more than I'd say it about me who got drawn into the vortice of someone's neverending toilet.

rezdog,

About being a punk... hey! ho! let's go!

bethyboo,

To come to avenge the murder of your father then kill a father... what a hall of broken mirrors is man, full of bull not reason.

McCain's judgment on the most important decision a nominee makes:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/25/couricandco/entry4478088.shtml

Politics First.

Rarely is there good news on the WaPo's front page:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504161.html?hpid=topnews

Everything that is said in that article about his flaws is true... but Eschie is more than worth them. First rate human and TWO wonderful artists as he is a truly different conductor than he is a pianist.

If you're in DC (and no one is more DC than Eschie) it will be worth it to hear him and the NSO at the Kennedy Center: you can even go to meet him and have a very good experience after the performances.

If anyone's interested...

I have a few of Eschie's recordings to upload and share.

I have his three late Tchaikovsky symphonies with the Philadelphia... his Schoenberg's Pelleas and Melisande... Zemlinsky's Lyric Symphony... Bruckner's 2nd... a poleaxing Mahler's 6th... Shostakovich's 5th... and a concert from early this year: he was performing Bernstein's Jeremiah Symphony with Rini Shaham and was so moved by her (yet again) that he began a series of after-concerts where they performed Schumann's Frauenliebe und Leben.

The symphony recordings on Ondine all feature Eschenbach as a pianist, too... most memorably playing Shostakovich's Seven Romances on Poems of Alexander Blok.

Jamie; 7:48 pm .................................... "Palin is totally unprepared", I know this Jamie, but she's not the only one(or he wouldn't have had to practice for a week) and I'm so tired of the slash and burn. Why is it so unreasonable to say " I admire her energy, but I'm totally against her right wing religiosity? Why is it necessary to hate so much, to be part of the process. I keep hearing how Obama is going to bring "change", how? since quid pro quo is out of the question, reaching across the aisle and being bipartisan is out of the question, respecting the other side(even this side) is out of the question, what is the change going to be, is he going to kill all the republicans, and everyone who doesn't prate the proper prayers of worship and goosestep to his tune...... If you read the idolators, that's certainly what it appears to be. Please, ANYONE, define the change that's supposed to happen and how he's going to accomplish it - if you can ......................................................................

Rita

P.S. ...... I'm not looking for perfection or even near perfection, and if this great change is just the difference between him and Dubya, well, I don't find that to be impressive or even interesting.

Not my bag :-) though my brother would enjoy if I could reach him.

What's in your bag is bodacious, Rez...

Rita,

I don't hate Palin. I think she should go home and be happy. As to Obama. This horrendous financial mess is going to take all of his brains, organizational skills, and to be hoped good judgment in choosing his cabinet. He has one huge garbage dump to empty out that is being left behind by this administration.

lol, I'm actually a little familiar with Tchaikovsky's symphonies. Just about as much as I am with Kiowa gourd dances and Navajo Yeibichais :-) learned from old girlfriends.

9/11 - I couldn't get that from reading your first post, so thank you. I love the play, but always found just about everyone in it to be tiresome - whiners and mopers, mainly. Someone needed to tell Hamlet to fish or cut bait right after scene 1.

I saw it in Stratford years and years ago with David Warner as Hamlet. When Gertrude drank the poison, she threw it all up on the stage floor, and you should have heard the audience.

Sorry all you guys who give Sarah Palin so much credit, but I really don't agree with you on this.
I don't hate her at all, either, but so few people seem to expect very much from her. The answer she gave Katie Couric about Russia was breath-taking - where Putin's head is and that's where we send them (?) out, and our air space...huh? I'm beginning to wonder if she's educable. Bush is indeed a high-functioning moron and I don't believe he ever flew a plane. (really.) Palin is a step ahead of him.

After Hillary Clinton and her incisive remarks and work,
I don't understand how Palin's hesitant Bush-like answers could pass anybody's scrutiny, except die-hard repubs.

As I said, I do not hate her - I think she was a good choice for McCain for his campaign, but she is so out of her league....If she and her running mate win this election, she will be on a fast track to be the first woman president. If you don't think so, look at W and where he's been living for over 7 years.