Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

repost.

Apparently the weakening of Gustav and survival of NOLA have trumped the fall of oil prices - the Dow is actually up 160 pts this morning. A rare bit of good economic news in the Bush economy.

Thread barren

blistersyeahbutchannel for the moment
The Nike Generation Takes Charge

Craig, LOL. Great post.

Craig,
I almost always agree with you.
But on this, I don't know. I don't think we know that Palin was a bad choice, through the eyes of middle America (swing voters). It'll take some time to find out. To me, she was the perfect choice.

Since McCain made his announcement, this election has become so much more interesting if nothing else.

Where's the bounce?

Hey, I'd pick Judge Judy for SCOTUS. Gotta be better than Clarence Thomas.

"McCain is the candidate who has adapted quickly and ingeniously to rapid changes on the political battlefield. He has shown an ability to exploit his own reverses. He surprises opponents. No one can sensibly predict who will win. But we can say that McCain won't lose. Obama will have to find some way of defeating him."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/02/do0205.xml

No, no, no. 6 points is a bump from last week, but CNN's poll has it at a one point margin and his lead was bigger in June - almost 8 points.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#chart.

Go Judge Judy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005070602065.html

I'm waiting for Fox News to have a hedline: "Palin's Baby Momma Drama", just as it did with Michelle Obama.

Lucky for you, MD, it is not possible to kill yourself by holding your breath.

These rookies not ready for big league
Palin, Obama dazzle, but what's needed for presidency is experience
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080901/OPINION03/809010368/1271/OPINION01

As if Palin wasn't vetted (they had months to do so) and McCain's selection of her was completely independent without any input from advisors. Puh-leeze.

chloe, LOL.

McCain's Palin Strategy

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/mccains_palin_strategy.html

Of course Palin was vetted - things that we think are surprises - pregnant daughter, Down Syndrome infant, legislative investigation over firing - may have well been known to McCain and his staff, but not considered to be negatives in light of what they perceived as her positives - hunter, fisher, ANWR driller, colorable claim to being anti-Stevens, great teeth & eyes. As what's his name the republican commentator on MSNBC pointed out this morning, if there is a problem with "secret" vetting, it's that you can't talk with the politicians who work with the candidate - they certainly can't keep anything secret.

I think Palin is just as fit to be vice-president as Obama is to be president.

His campaign has been about charisma. She can do the same thing.

Alaska's Jewish Community on Palin Selection

"Sarah Palin has established a great relationship with the Jewish community over recent years, and has attended several of our Jewish cultural gala events,” said Rabbi Yossel Greenberg, Chabad emissary in Alaska."

http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=29167&lang=english

Yeah Chloe you can learn from Bry Bry's multiple original posts

oh right.

Here is a quick stats page on Alaska

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/02000.html

"If one assumes that a parent's attitudes pass to their children, then you would want to question why her daughter's boyfriend decribes himself as a "Proud Redneck".

Doin' the Lord's work, Jamie? Her daughter's boyfriend isn't her child, so there goes that implication. Nice try, though.

Continue to discuss Palin since she's the blog topic dujour. As for me, lunch beckons.

Chloe, agree with you take
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-the-just-do-it-candidat.html#comment-137851

It's just too bad she won't be able to debate Obama (he'll get off light with McCain)--she'd kick his ***. Whart a huckster he is. Just like with Hillary he's ready to have a debate anytime but then can't find the time--worthless.

The persistence of Hillary backers in nurturing their wounds and using Palin as a surrogate outlet for their support is completely illogical and is really getting tiresome. The two women bear absolutely no relation to one another, other than the fact that both are women.

I say that as a strong Hillary backer who got over it and moved on even BEFORE Hillary told everyone to get over it and move on at the convention. So how much longer are you all going to wallow?

Also, someone earlier compared Palin to Harry Truman -- who was offered as another VP candidate with "no experience." Hogwash. Truman had years as an executive as a major urban county under his belt, not to mention a decade in the U.S. Senate and leadership of a major committee investigation into Army contract shenanigans. And we won't even talk about his heroic leadership as a field commander in World War I.

“To me, she was the perfect choice.”

The only thing I can say about this is “God Almighty”! Or “Lord, God Almighty”.

Such an absurd statement. Oldest person running for president who is hot-headed and would not think twice about invading Russia, Iran, or even China. Troops? What troops? We have none now. They’re stretched to the limit.

A VP from Neanderthal land who was a mayor of a non-city where the city hall looks like a bake shop and 20 months as a governor of just over 600,000 people where money is no problem.

If all you want is a woman in there, why not Goldie Hahn?

Chloe, I have no idea who or what you are, but Obama has much more experience just on his US Senate committees than this woman. Seven years as a state senator and four years as a US Senator, the Foreign Relations Committee, the Veterans’ Affairs Committee, Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, plus and mostly importantly the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. You have just closed your eyes to rational thinking because you don’t like him.

Champ

I'm not saying that Palin is prejudiced, but that it is an area you might want to look into if you are vetting her for a job of national significance.

Palin has met Jews, Jamie. Gordo linked an article that has a picture of her sitting with them, caption reading: "Governor Sarah Palin, far right, listens as Chabad's Rabbi Yossi Greenberg addresses Anchorage's Jewish community recently."

You encourage others to research these issues, while relevant information is being posted right in front of your face.

"12. In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected governor?

"Sarah Palin: 1) Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children; 2) Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution, and 3) Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights."

Who'll drink to that?

http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-02-what-did-her-mom-do-wrong

http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-02-if-you-are-easily-offended-198#more-29289

For the record... no one in those pictures is named Chelsea or Hillary.

Scarborough was pontificating this morning about how proud he is of NBC for not "going after" the Palin story as aggressively as other news outlets did. Huh? Since when is a presumptive nominee's total flubbing of a VP choice and stepping all over his own coronation not a major news story?

The best thing that that I've heard said so far about Palin is that she supposedly has "galvanized the base." An op-ed column I read this morning put that in perfect perspective with this line: "The base is necessary, but not sufficient."

So galvanizing his base is sort of the equivalent of saying McCain successfully tied his shoes this morning. Now let's see him dance.

Lardo

"The persistence of Hillary backers in nurturing their wounds and using Palin as a surrogate outlet for their support is completely illogical and is really getting tiresome. The two women bear absolutely no relation to one another, other than the fact that both are women."

I suspect that anyone who supported Hillary who has now switched allegiance to Palin either weren't really Democrats or were only supporting her as an alternative (for whatever reasons) to Obama.

It simply makes no sense to move from Clinton to Palin. Their political attitudes are so diametrically opposed that even the idea makes your head spin.

Chloe

The funny thing the left wing nuts miss is she has actually done somthing during her years in office. She is more experienced than Obama. A minority member of a state legislature doesn't pad a resume.

What is continually missed is that she bridges the reform antigovernment crowd and the social conservative crowd. They all seem to be rallying to her side as the left wing starts in on these very personal attacks.
The more her 17 yrold daughter is shown carrying her sibling and the more people gossip about the girl the more support you will see the McCain ticket recieve.

Jack

Champ

It was an amusing idea that in such a large state, she might have missed them. Also her relgious attitudes are such that while she may have done her duty as a Governor, as a human being she expects to wave goodbye to them while being raptured.

Here comes... the groom?

On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

Craig - good post. I am equally nervous about John "Just Do it!" McCain.

We must not share a congruent sense of humor, Jamie, but you sure are cracking the Empress up!

Jack...

Sure, one element of this whole issue involves an admittedly salacious element (a teen pregnancy) that will inevitably be seized upon by lesser (and dumber) commenters from the left. But they are missing the point, and the rest of us should not be held responsible for that kind of sensationalism.

This isn't about teen pregnancy and resolute parenting in the face of adversity. It's about McCain blowing up his own convention. And the reality of that is self-evident. End of story.

Craig's post is right on target.

A-Ha-Ha! Belittling Palin's daughter's boyfriend is the best you boneheads can do? You must be nervous.

No, Champ.

Just waiting for you to be a big boy and admit you're his father.

Champ

As usual you are missing what is being said in favor of only seeing what you want to see. We aren't attacking the daughter or the boyfriend. They are symptoms of what may be questionable political attitudes and positions on the part of the candidate.

I'm whose father now? WTF are you saying?

I ain't missing ____, Jamie. Her daughter's boyfriend has nothing to do with Palin's political attitudes and positions. Political opportunism is what I'm seeing; unfortunately for you, it's not much of an opportunity. Palin's familial situation reads like a lot of those in middle America. Keep assuming moral superiority over others and you'll demonstrate how incongruent ardent Liberals are with 'mainstream' Americans.

Ain't my tent to fold, Empress. I do agree that McCain doesn't have snowball's chance in Milton's hell, but the recent course of discussion isn't doing your candidate any favors, trust me.

Champ

You may have missed the story. I have a daughter who had a child as a young teenage without being married. It turned out well, but such events point to problems within the family. They don't happen in a vaccuum. It isn't a matter of blame or moral judgement, it is asking how Palin's "political and religious" attitudes may impact her abilities as a Vice President.

What if John McCain as president made such cavalier choices as he did in picking a running mate? For starters, he might not even bother to make up reasons to invade other countries. He'd just do it.

He'd be just like George W. Bush

Yeah, if Palin "doesn't know" or keep up w/the war in Iraq when her son is about to go, well, I can't believe she really hasn't kept up with it...just dodging a question. If she really doesn't know, what does that say about her?

And let's not focus so much on Annie Oakley that we forget to go after McCain. He has certainly abandonded his maverick status in favor of bowing to the far-right with his pick...oh, and by choosing a female right-wingnut instead of a male right-wingnut, has tried to pander to Hil'ry supporters.

It was a dumb move. The far right (f'art) never gonna vote for BO & they are a fearful group who would vote for McCain just to keep BO out of office. He has abandoned any hope of support from the middle.

Heck, I think he is happy about the Palin soap opera...it keeps the spotlight off of the stuff about her that actually matters.

What a crackup to be lectured from the right about "assumptions of moral superiority". How long ago was it that ardent conservatives running on platforms built on images of "welfare queens" cranking out babies out of wedlock in the Great Welfare State.

good afternoon gang....

hope everyone had a great holiday weekend..... mine was very relaxing....

I want to see the Republican party implode as much as any other left or leaning left person on this blog......

Obama gave a great speech Thursday night and less than 24 hrs later the subject changed and has continued to be nothing but about Republicans.....
supposedly the base it rallying and the polls numbers still show very little bounce for Obama..... I fail to see this as the Republicans imploding....

at the moment.... the Republicans are owning the airwaves..... Obama better figure out how to change this quickly, IMO......

Ridge and Lieberman both would have been inferior political selections to Palin. Ridge is a boring public speaker, probably couldn't deliver PA (his home state) and is former Bush cabinet member, which would allow further comparison to Bush.

Lieberman isn't a republican, already a losing VP candidate, probably couldn't deliver CT or NY, and would be easily characterized as duplicitous and disloyal after his last Senate run.

Palin may or may not be McCain's best option, but she sure is better than those 2. I really don't subscribe to the belief that Presidential nominees (McCain or Obama) select their VP's independently. I think their advisors have more say in the matter than they do.

She's lucky the girl is only gonna make her a grandma...she could've gotten sick.

Maybe she was acting out to get her parent's attention.

WADR Jamie, you either don't know what you're saying, or you're just engaging in opportunism. Either way, I can't debate you if you don't make any coherent points. I'm not trying to impugn you in total, you make valid contributions, I don't feel this happens to be one of them.

Let me just conclude that line of discussion with a resounding "whatever".

Allow me to repeat what I said last night:

Look at how well going after Cheney's daughter worked out for you guys. And you wonder why you're apparently superior candidates lose.

This was all about X and Y chromosomes. Didn't you hear Palin invoking Hil'ry's "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling"? We are gonna shatter it for Palin, that's for sure. BO is more pro-female on issues. Palin would set us back 50 years.

This was all about X and Y chromosomes. Didn't you hear Palin invoking Hil'ry's "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling"?

We are NOT gonna shatter it for Palin, that's for sure.

BO is more pro-female on issues. Palin would set us back 50 years.

Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said no matter who the nominee was, the campaign was ready to send a "jump team" to the No. 2's home state to work with the nominee's staff, work with the local media and help handle requests from the national media for information, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.

At several points throughout the process, McCain's team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.

Culvahouse disclosed details of his examination in a half-hour interview with the AP.

First, a team of some 25 people working under Culvahouse culled information from public sources for Palin and other prospective candidates without their knowledge. For all, news reports, speeches, financial and tax return disclosures, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces were reviewed.

For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state's largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn't request paper archives for Palin's hometown newspaper. "I made the decision that we could not get it done and maintain secrecy," Culvahouse said.

Reports, 40-some pages and single-spaced, on each candidate then were reviewed by McCain, Schmidt, campaign manager Rick Davis and top advisers Mark Salter and Charlie Black.

Among the details McCain's campaign found: Palin had once received a citation for fishing without a license.

Palin, like others on the short list, then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 "very intrusive" questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns, as well as any controversial articles she had written or interviews she had done. The campaign also checked her credit.

Then, Culvahouse conducted a nearly three-hour-long interview.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/02/politics/p003214D28.DTL&tsp=1

Dems need to get tough. Let BO stay above the fray, though.

Can you imagine what the GOP would do if someone with Palin's lack of experience & family drama & a pending investigation like Trooper-gate? Do you think they would take it easy on her just because she's a woman. No. Equal is equal. Let the surrogates go after her.

Let her ignorance be her demise in the debate against Biden.

Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven, Dog.

Champ,

Since you insist on only seeing this as an attack on the daughter rather than an attack on the candidates positions regarding items such as:

Abstinance Only Education
Elimination of Choice
Rejection of rights for Gays/Lesbians
Religious dogma in public schools

The list gets way too long.

Whatever

"God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats."

See? That's some whacky shit, right there (assuming Palin actually said it, I'll take your word for it). Unfortunately, I'll bet a lot of people agree with it, but it's still a better line of attack than the daughter's boyfriend, for Christ's sake, pardon the pun.

Don't blame Clinton voters

A shift among Independents seems to be fueling the sudden momentum behind McCain, concluded CBS pollsters.

In its analysis of the numbers, CBS noted that voters tended to line up behind their party's candidate, adding "with Independents now clearly favoring McCain."

According to the CBS findings, 48 percent of Independents favor McCain. That compared to 36 percent for Obama.

One finding might please Democratic Party officials: The CBS poll found that "most Clinton supporters from the primaries are backing Obama."

Sixty percent said they support Obama. Another 23 percent have thrown their allegiance to McCain with 12 percent saying they hadn't decided.

The analysis also noted that nearly 25 percent of all those polled said they might change their minds before November.

Digging a little deeper into voters' minds, CBS found that Obama supporters are more enthusiastic about their candidate.

"About one in four McCain supporters admit they are voting for him only because he is the Republican nominee or that their vote is against Obama," reported the poll. "That's twice the percentage of Obama supporters who give either of those reasons for their support of him."

Overall, women make up a larger share of Obama supporters with men skewing to McCain.
http://www.frostillustrated.com/atf.php?sid=4147

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html?page=9

"She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, the president of the State Senate, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

"Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president...."

Dog,

You are Sheila need a citation for that one! lol I have to read about "The Lizards of Satan". It's like that commercial "They gave their all for you" with the dinosaur head poking out of the gas tank.

I guess we can add geology to the things Palin doesn't believe in.

File this under the Boys will be boys department...

I spoke to a couple of acquaintances who are hard core Republicans. One worked for Ashcroft and the others work in some capacity for the RI governor. Their first opinion when it was announced that Palin was the pick was "I love the naughty librarian."

Blue,

I posted this link earlier...I didn't know Lyda Greene was also a Republican. She's a cancer survivor and listen to what Palin does during this radio appearence...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkydrUnBZE

The only Clinton supporters in that poll who haven't moved to McCain don't know anything about Palin yet, except her gender. When they see what a set-back she & the GOP would mean, they will move to BO.
When BO gives more details about his plans, it will make it easier to see that 2008 needs to be the Dems take back the WH.

"Sep 2nd, 2008 | WASHINGTON -- Republican John McCain, whose running mate disclosed that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, has opposed proposals to spend federal money on teen-pregnancy prevention programs and voted to require poor teen mothers to stay in school or lose their benefits."

http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2008/09/02/D92UENVG0_cvn_mccain_teen_pregnancies/index.html?source=refresh

The Empress wishes I was a skinhead, Dog, because it would allow him to dismiss me more easily, as I am a constant thorn in his side with my interruptions of his recitations of talking points. The funny thing is, if I actually were a skinhead, his inability to debate me effectively would call into question his own reasoning and ability of expression. Can't have your cake and eat it, too, Empress!

Note: Budget
In the first days of her administration, Palin followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet purchased (on a state government credit account) by the Murkowski administration. The state placed the jet for sale on eBay three times. In August 2007, the jet was sold for $2.1 million.

http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=321765

Dog

Champ is grasping some points that many of you don't appear to understand. This election isn't about the true believer. They are already under the tent. It is about the weak supporters and the undecided. For them there is evidence Palin's fighting corruption and fightikng the oil companies can make an impact.
The sillyness I saw on CNN at 4 this morning, a replay of Anderson Cooper, where they constantly replayed images of the daughter isn't helping the Obama campaign.

Jack

Dog

The only 2006 Alaskan interview I could find was about Creationism being taught in schools, but I think the other bit is just someone's parody ala Onion.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-the-just-do-it-candidat.html#comment-137896

LL, that would have been 1980 - it was as untrue then as it is now.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-the-just-do-it-candidat.html#comment-137898

Renee, not only the airwaves -- the blogs, too.

Dog,

I found where it was posted on the MSNBC political site, but there is no attribution, so as of now must assume it is a joke but based on Evangelical teachings.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=765589

Because she sounds like an idiot talking about dinosaurs becoming crude oil, I'd recommend that Palin read this - it is hopefully elementary enough that she can understand it.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/oil.html

Dog/ Sheila / All

This wasn't easy since it was buried under multiple people stealing the joke, but this seems to be the original blog and in the comments, Bob does say he made them up.

http://unbearablebobness.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/08/governor-sarah-palin-quotes.html

OK, after doing some research of my own, I'm going to assert that the Palin "Dinosaurs" quote is a fake. Only links that come upon citation are other message boards, the interview itself, if it even happened is nowhere to be found.

Once again, not helping matters any by making shit up and proliferating it across the net. Ashamed of myself to become a party to it, by I qualified my previous statement before I made it, so I won't be too hard on myself.

So far, this is the most unfocused and off-message GOP convention I can remember. Think about this compared to the shows run by Deaver, et al., Atwater, et al., and Rove et. al.

I think Atwater was already dead by 1992, and I forget what that one was like. Likewise, few memories of the convention that nomintated Dole in 1996 -- but it couldn't have been this bad.

Maybe they can recover starting tonight.

I am a dedicated Hillary supporter who is voting for Barack Obama. I had decided that before the convention but after the appearance of Hillary Clinton, I feel better about that choice. Now John McCain has nominated a woman for VP. I do not agree with Sara Palin on just about any issue and will not be voting for her in November. But after listening to the rhetoric and attempts at humor spewed by our democratic, and media and left wing comedians, I do want to say that sexism is not prettier or more acceptable when it comes from the left than it was coming from the right. The idea that a woman with children should be staying at home and raising them instead of running for office or that if she had paid more attention to her role as mother, her child would not be pregnant. I have had it up to here with the disingenuous remarks which degrade Sara Palin for being a former beauty contestant or that somehow her election to state wide office is inferior to Obama's election. If you want to state that Palin stand on ANWAR or abortion or gun control are out of the main stream or maybe just not your opinions then fine but the sexist comments are not acceptable now as they weren't before when directed at Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton has nothing in common with Sara Palin except they are both women politicians. You will have to prove that by explaining their differences and not using the same bad treatment to prove that we treat all women politicians badly.

Champ...
Your last post pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with treating blogs as reliable sources for anything.

Said it better than I could, Jo.

champ, your research may be right, but before you dismiss the statement outright, you might challenge dog to provide the source of the quote. dog??

Didn't John Kerry have virtually NO bounce after the Democratic National Convention in 2004? I seem to remember there wasn't much.

The persistence of Hillary backers in nurturing their wounds and using Palin as a surrogate outlet for their support is completely illogical and is really getting tiresome. The two women bear absolutely no relation to one another, other than the fact that both are women.

Posted by: LardassLiberal | September 2, 2008 12:02 PM

You are SOOOO right LL !!!!!

She already said she heard it from Sheila, so it was 3rd hand by the time I got it, pogo. I think Jamie pinpointed the source. Couple posts up with 'Bob' in it.

jo,

If John McCain kicked the bucket second day in office, how would you feel about Palin then?

Most of you seem to assume that the Repubs don't have anything to use against SoetorObama. A move up or down in the polls by a few points now doesn't matter. It's all about timing. When the Repubs finish their convention and come out with the heavy artillery -- the Dems are doomed.

Hey folks,

Random question about something not political...

I have seen a couple of banner ads on a website I frequent, Protrade.com, that is collecting for Tsunami victims. It's supposed to be from the Ad Council. Has anyone else seen them in the last day or so? Since that was a couple years ago, is it me or do they sound fake?

Euro, with regards to your bounce question...he bounced like a deflated ball...

I was being somewhat facetious with the term 'research', by the way, pogo. I jst put the quote in its entirety into google and came up with other stupid message boards, and then searched "Palin Alaskan Times interview" and came up with nuthin'. That's the extent of my 'research'.

Karolenna

Read Jo's post. She said she was voting for Obama. She objected to Palin being criticized in a sexist manner that would never have been directed at a male candidate.

All of the Clinton supporters were outraged at the treatment she received that had nothing to do with her capacities as a politician. Those same objects apply to Palin even if we disagree with her positions.

Champ do you have a Facebook or MySpace account?

LOL Karolenna,

You already have her vote. Don't talk her out of it.

The poll showed Kerry with the support of 50 percent of all registered voters, compared with 44 percent for Bush, with independent Ralph Nader at 2 percent. On the eve of the convention, Bush led Kerry 48 percent to 46 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34914-2004Aug2.html

Bear, Protrade.com is listed as a games site by our firewall. Doesn't mean they might not be legit re: their tsunami relief effort, but I'm just sayin'.

Champ

Upthread. I found the source. It was a joke

champ, I just used Palin and dinosaur - didn't come up with anything worth linking. It could certainly be bogus, but not necessarily. Sounds like tracking back from Sheila's source might be a start.

damn, jamie, there you go, spoiling all the fun. :-)

all you want is a woman in there, why not Goldie Hahn?

Posted by: Karolenna | September 2, 2008 12:02 PM

Hey, I'd vote for Goldie Hawn !!!

Got it, Jamie. Nice work, thank you. I grant thee title of "Lead Quote Researcher of Trail Mix". Do I have that authority, C-man? Ok, I'll at least get the paperwork started for you, Jamie. You'll hear from my vetting committee shortly. I hope you don't have any bastard children.

Et tu, Brute? Are you effing with me, pogo? After I called you an 'independent thinker" and all? Is there no shame on the blogosphere these days?

Ain't gonna happen, Tom. Can I please be a non-entity to you again; pretty please?

I suspect that anyone who supported Hillary who has now switched allegiance to Palin either weren't really Democrats or were only supporting her as an alternative (for whatever reasons) to Obama.

Posted by Jamie...

Jamie I would assume this too, but check this out...

A lesbian couple who are good friends of mine now live in FLORIDA! I just got this email from them: "We're voting McCain-Palin - to hell with Mr. Sexist Obama. What a loser for not picking Hillary."

They are highly educated women, one works in government, the other is a lawyer. I knew them in Seattle (Ballard) and were/are awesome people. I sent them the link of Howard Wolfson's positive piece on Obama, but let me tell you I am shocked by the level of their anger. Also the fact it is Florida bothers me more because this is a MAJOR battle ground state.

There is absolutely nothing sexist in questioning Palin's credentials. She is not ready to be VP or anything near it.

Bear

I don't see anything current listed for Tsunami relief though I know work is still being done.

Here are their current sponsored campaigns and they do have a contact page if you want to question a particular allied organization

http://www.adcouncil.org/default.aspx?id=15

"The treatment Sarah Palin has enjoyed during her first 4 days as McCain’s running mate is disgusting. I hope she watched what happened to Hillary, because the same horrible people are using the same tactics. It’s an indication of how much the politics of governing doesn’t matter that the same type of attacks are used against two women with very different political leanings. Get that? It’s NOT ABOUT THE POLITICS."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/02/john-lennon-meet-hillary-clinton-and-sarah-palin/

ET, "Truly Craig, these anonymous drive-by postings are annoying. Can't we all take responsibility for our own positions without hiding behind cute and clever little aliases?" There are lots of reasons, other than the fact thqat they are just fun, that people use aliases to participate in blogs. I could use my first name, but if my employer - a large, conservative law firm - and the partners to whom I report - two big time Republicans -figured out who I was and didn't like my positions, I could lose my job here in a heartbeat in this "employment at will" state. Don't want to do that. And no, we really don't discuss politics here very much. You might call it chickenshit - I'll call it enlightened self interest. And I laugh after every senatorial and HofR election here as Dems get elected and re-elected into those positions.

ET

I would tell them to listen to Clinton and I would point out that in Sarah Palin's world they would not have any partner rights at all.

Sure a lot of us are still angry. Unfortunately she had a poorly organized campaign that could not deal with the onslaught of a combination all out sexist barrage on the part of media and Clinton haters and a very well run, efficient campaign by an opponent.

The issues are simply too important and Senator Clinton will be in the Senate or in the Cabinet or serving on the Supreme court bench to fight those battles. In other words, don't get stuck on stupid.

champ, I'm not effin' with you - I was trying to find the frickin' quote since I made a smart assed response to it. If it's bogus, I want to retract my response - well, not really, but kinda.

Pogo understood, but I think my point is misunderstood. You are registered as POGO. We have a personality and a history of Mr. Pogo. These other aliases are most likely done by people who blog normally here but when they want to really go over the top, they disguise themselves to the very people that they communicate with. Is this clearer? I think my English has suffered after 10 years in Dutch spoken communities.

to waste one blog post space, I am lonely... Solo again til 10 October.

Pogo

I don't consider "Pogo" an alias. You are always "Pogo". You have your little blue key. You speak as "Pogo" without hiding your opinions under some silly, constantly changing, snarky or offensive gag name.

Someone can call themselves "Two Ticks Past A Freckle" if they are ALWAYS "Two Ticks Past A Freckle" . As Craig said a while back, it made more sense to include the gag name in the message, not the signature.

If John McCain kicked the bucket second day in office, how would you feel about Palin then?

LOL
That is not a question that should be ask by an Obama supporter.
Karolenna Palin has proven she can take on the tough challenges, Obama is still very much an unknown.

lol

Add on the the dinasaur quote. Where some of you are behaving on the gullable side. Am I glad none of you are running any champaign I'm supporting.

Jack

You had to be there, Tom... it was pretty frickin' funny. He was badgering me to make a belief statement, I refused, he said I "had all of the substance of one of General Potemkin's villages", I said "that must make you an old queen after all" (alluding to past deprecation I made of him), and he corrected me saying something to the effect of "oh, well I'll have you know Catherine was an EMPRESS, not a queen". Oh god, he's good for a laugh, that's for sure.

Sorry Tom, he's reaping what he's sown. I apologize if it offends you, though; not my intent. To answer your question, though: no, "Emperor" would not get the point across, and would be much to flattering for the likes of him.

Euro,

What is your opinion of where McCain and Obama stand on gay rights?

I have a realtor friend here in Fort Worth, he's a New York transplant and he was a hard core Hillary supporter, he's voting McCain because he's voting his economic interests. He feels that Democrats have paid lip service to gay issues...

Ok Champ, well thanks for the clarification...

Awwwwwwwwww ET,

You can visit here or come play Scrabble on Face Book. Catch up on your reading. Watch reruns. Pace up and down for extra exercise. Cut out paper dolls. Collect butterflies. Count designs in the wall paper. If all else fails, download one hundred different games of solitaire.

BTW,

A sad day for movie fans...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511696/

Bear I think that McCain capitulating to the right wing fundamentalist wing of the Republican party clearly describes his take on gay rights. I don't think he wants to haul gays off to concentration camps, but he is probably of the school that any protections against discrimination would be conceived as "special rights".

For Obama's stand, I guess I would go with this:

Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois:

Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Barack Obama in the United States Senate:

Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated Barack Obama:
Barack Obama on Hate Crimes:

Barack Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity.
Employment Non-Discrimination:

Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military:

Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."
Gay & Lesbian Adoption:

Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.
Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:

Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

Whew, I'm glad I can continue to be Pogo. To paraphrase and apply his most famous quote - if I weren't my own worst enemy, I don't know who would be.

ET, I hoped you meant the "who the hell is that" hit and runners. Your English is still fine, btw. Jamie, I forgot about the blue key - I think I actually have a populated profile - many don't.

oops, that didn't look so long when I cut and paste. I am sorry.

yes pogo, hit and run !!! drive by postings...

Mr. Crawford: ................................ Is this what it all comes down to, all the preparation, all the money, all the hard work, to care about - who cheats on who, who's sleeping with who, who's pregnant and who's not, - how voyeuristic do we have to be to be considered part of the process?..................................

Sturgeone; 7:33 am ................ "the summer of our discontent", and I'm sorely afraid it ain't over yet......

Jason; 8:55 am ............................. Be careful Jason, your INTEGRITY is showing, and you know that's not allowed ...............................................................................

alicia knight; 9:36 am ............... Have you ever heard of a CONVENTION were there wasn't hookers and blow?.

Chloe; 11:35 am ...............................Your right, Experience would be the key, if there was any around that hasn't been shredded .............................................

prof marcia; 1:47 am, previous thread ....................Me too Marcia, I think I will leave it blank as well..............

I have apologized to Mr. Crawford for disrespecting his blog ............ but I feel I have earned the right to say what I feel since I have been attacked more than anyone except Patsi or Gordo. This is supposed to be a forum, not an indoctrination center, where you get attacked if you don't agree or if you have things to say that the obots don't like. Not One had the wit to even ask why I said what I did .............................................

Rita

As Craig said a while back, it made more sense to include the gag name in the message, not the signature.

...if you are using a real name

Pogo...

If you are always jumping up and down...does that make you a flip flopper in the eyes of gravity? lol

Obama Bounce ...smaller... politico

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13068.html

Greg (open drawer)

It doesn't matter what name you want to use all the time, how about getting a little blue Typekey under something you enjoy? That way you don't have to fuss with the Capcha and constant sign in. You are just you, whoever you wants to be.

Seriously Rita, you don't need to make justifications. The motives of "the Gang" and their resulting behavior is pretty transparent in and of itself. Why they gang up on you is beyond me, maybe they perceive you as an easy target, but they're digging their own graves in the process anyway. You don't need to apologize for defending yourself against vicious ideologues.

Gallup looked at perceptions of Palin and of past VP candidates. Interesting noodling.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109951/Palin-Unknown-Most-Americans.aspx

Bear, probably - not that gravity sees, hears or cares. I on the other hand think that makes you a pogoer - at least if you use a springed stick to do it.

Rita, what Champ said.

Karolena You asked how I would feel if McCain died and Palin became President. First of all the fact that McCain was President would be the really bad thing and if Palin then suceeded him, I would suspect that I would not feel any better or worse than if McCain was President.

However since you asked. I would certainly not feel that Sarah Palin would be a worse President than John McCain. They agree on many of the same issues and whether it is McCain or Palin, I still disagree with them on so many things.

I supported Hillary Clinton because I thought she was the most qualified to be President based on her experience and character. I was told by the Obama campaign that experience was over rated and that Obama had the superior judgment because he was a Washington outsider and he did not support the war from the beginning. The Obama campaign told me that Clinton was not qualified to be President because she voted for the war and therefore did not have the judgment necessary to be President and that she had been in Washington too long. Then Obama picks Biden to be the running mate who has been in Washington twice as long as Clinton and who also voted for the war and Obama says Biden is ready to be President. What a bunch of hooey.

Now McCain picks Palin and suddenly the democrats care about experience again. Palin may be a big asset to the campaign or not. But to hear the media and pundits use the same sexist crap to describe Palin that they used against Clinton is unacceptable. For example listen to the first 10 minutes of Real time with Bill Maher from last Friday. Listen to MSNBC just about any time. They have just changed the name from Clinton to Palin. That is not right and should be denounced.

And for the last time, even though I live in a state that is already in the reddest of the red states, I will be voting for Obama/Biden in November. But I will continue to speak out about sexism where I see it.

""Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
Gov. Sarah Palin

Looks like a proper approach if you are going to pray for this country and our troops.
It is no different than my prayer everytime a president sends out the troops. Only mine is worded a little different.
"Please, don't let that silly bastard send our troops into a clusterfuck for no good reason."

I will say that her's is better for church.

Jack

jo, good for you. Just be sure to do your speaking out here - I enjoy the posts.

That gallup poll data is fascinating to say the least...

Jack

Unfortunately for Palin's prayers and her soon to be deployed son, the current silly bastard did send our troops into a clusterfuck for no good reason.

Obama hits 50% for first time in Gallup daily

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109960/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Hits-50-First-Time.aspx

jack, that kind of sh*t scares hell out of me. At least it doesn't sound like she claims to KNOW god's plan and think our armies are just his tools - but then she may just be tempering her words.

well, wall street has recovered from its relief over Gustav's failure to destroy NOLA, and has returned to its focus on oil - now the Dow is off 65 pts.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Wall-Street.html

More proof most of the people commenting here don't read the posts - it's all about their own bloviating

ok, another quote I can't find - anyone got a link to that Palin quote about praying for our troops, leaders, wars and all that jazz?

nevermind - found it -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

Ha! Great insight, Craig...yeah, since McCain is so upset that Rove won't let him have either one of his buddies, Senator Joey or Tom Ridge, why not get Pooty-Poot to be veep? Now THAT tops reaching across the aisle!
Of all the words written and spoken since last week, the funniest angle was about Sarah Palin being experienced i foreign affairs because Russia is so close to Alaska!
And she still hasn't ventured into Dan Quayle uber-class of dimwitedness. Quayle will never be topped . I refreshed my memory regarding Quayle-isms last night...he was unbelievably embarrassing.

Great, just great. Another candidate from another church with another preacher with extreme views. As if the Wright controversy wasn't bad enough. Duelling experience levels, duelling nutty preachers, duelling experience as parents. What's next, pray tell??

Palin puts instant charge in GOP ground troops

"ST. PAUL, Minn. – While Republicans are respectfully easing into their national convention in the wake of Hurricane Gustav, they aren't holding back their enthusiasm for the party's new superstar, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, regarding her not only a catalyst for victory in November but as a transitional figure, reflecting a more "conservative" future course.

"I haven't seen the base this motivated," said Barrett, the party's state executive vice chairman. "It was just instantaneous, People who were a little uncertain on McCain, all of sudden they're calling and asking me, 'Where can I get signs, where can I get signs?'"

"I mean it just changed everything overnight," he told WND."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74113

Governor Palin was apparently a celebrity with the vast right wing conspiracy that makes up the looney wing of the GOP, if the reactions now manifesting themselves are any indication. Republican female Governors like Linda Lingle or Jodi Rell, both with more experience, need not apply. Senators like Kay Hutchison or Olympia Snowe, likewise.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20080902_8604.php

funny you should mention Rev Wright.
National Journal which is usually subscription is free during the conventions. It's got a lot of good stuff.

Dex, in fairness, the foreign policy experience I've heard touted was over the agreement she entered into with the Canadian government without fed assistance for an oil pipeline - that she asked the people of Alaska TO PRAY FOR because it was part of god's plan. JHC!!! Thsi woman has me concerned. I wonder if she will talk Johnnie into reopening the quest for the grail if they are elected?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/earlybirdpunditseditorials.php

cross section of the reaction

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-the-just-do-it-candidat.html#comment-138035

Actually, that was a natural gas pipeline.

Just wondering. could someone explain what a "clusterfuck" is?

OOPS NEVER MIND

[edit]Etymology
Reportedly coined by the hippie poet Ed Sanders in the 1960s, in the form Mongolian clusterfuck; it was frequently used in the military.
[edit]Noun
clusterfuck (plural clusterfucks)
(vulgar) A chaotic mess that might be compared to group sex, in which participants are so intertwined and intermingled that they might penetrate each other rather than their intended target. Its more precise usage describes a particular kind of Catch-22, in which multiple complicated problems mutually interfere with each other's solution. The looser usage, referring to any chaotic situation, probably prevails.
Euphemisms: Goat-Fuck, Goat-Rape, Goat-Rodeo, and Goat-Rope.
[edit]Use in Literature

As the Canadian in residence, may I just say that I'm sure that Palin had Canadian governmental prayers working for her, as our "at least for the moment" Prime Minister is somewhat..er.. republican, shall we say?

Also, just wanted to add that as some of you know I work for a pollster. International polls. I was on one last week that was Canadian, asked about our looming election and then threw in the question: If you could vote in the US election, who would you be supporting:

Barack 55%
McCain 15%

Have a nice day!

Hi, ty, long time...

Christie Todd Whitman would have brought us two months stories about how she lied about the air quality around Ground Zero and how she used her office to shield her husbands business...

Gonzo gone wild.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/washington/03justice.html?hp

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/09/oh-things-people-search-for.html

warning links to Ann Althouse but this is very funny some language issues for the sexists among us.

sturg, I figure you'll pop in to read a few posts later. Thought I'd let you know I saw Felix Cavaliere's Rascals yesterday in a free concert at the Italian Heritage Festival here. Great tight group behind him - still uses a Hammond B-3 with 2 Leslies. Kinda sad, though - he's almost as good as he was in the 60s, but I was chatting with a friend - among the 200-300 people milling about in the street - about seeing him and the Young Rascals in about '69, when they did double bills of big acts - with Vanilla Fudge - to a sold out 5000 seat Birmingham Civic Auditorium - and my friend saw him in the Charlston Civic Center with a couple thousand more folks with the Association as the opening act. I'd thought more old farts like me would show up to see one of the good old acts.

Pogo

Strangely enough that natural gas pipeline might not be the worst idea ever considering the T. Boone Pickens idea of using it as a "bridge" between oil and alternatives such as wind. Would have to look into it a great deal further as the U.S. seems to have a lot of it, but a great deal comes from shale deposits such as what they are mining in Canada. There may be some severe ecological matters to consider.

The Volvo plant that is 4 kilometers from where I live has three huge wind turbines or mills whatever to create electricity. According to VOLVO, the three windmills produce enough energy to fully run all divisions of Volvo cars and trucks here including assembly lines and any and all other electricity!! I don't know if they have to have a backup for those times when there isn't wind... ...???

I am off to bed...

jamie, not saying the NG pipeline was a bad idea - but I'm not so sure that if there is a god anything like christians believe he cares one way or the other about a pipeline for the US to get more NG from Canada. I would hope that god has better things to do.

imagine the stir, the media in overdrive, the bounce for gop integrity if johnny mac asked his party at the repcon to adopt a platform calling for the impeachment of shrub and cheeny or a demand for immediate resignations. now that would settle the maverick question once and for all. as craig said:
"...he might not even bother to make up reasons ...... He'd just do it."

Damn, jo laid down the hammer at 2:33 up there. Nice work, jo.

and he'd be responsible for the first woman becoming president, n pelosi. he's make history! none of this chickens**t vp stuff.

Dave Barry:

And now the eyeballs of the nation turn to this quintessentially Middle American or possibly southern Canadian city, where in the next few days, weather permitting, the Republicans will answer the Democratic Party's call for change by sounding, loud and clear, their own bold campaign theme for 2008: 'What, YOU Never Made a Mistake?

LOL, you guys are funny.

Politically speaking, Palin may be the best VP candidate of the modern era. Gotta respect the GOP- they hit you broad-side and you didn't even see it coming.

Champ

"Palin may be the best VP candidate of the modern era"

Whatever you are imbibing ... pass it over here. She may have energized the base of 20% evangelicals. What happens when she drives away the libertarians?

The polls over the next month are going to be fascinating.

Pogo

I find the description of "God" contained in virtually all religions way to small to even qualify for the position. Anything big enough to construct the universe as a simple little exercise on a slow day, is way too big for me to even imagine much less assume he cares if I win the lottery tonight.

Won't stop me from asking though. lol

I absolutely love Eagleton's dying wish in a letter to his family and friends:

"go forth in love and peace — be kind to dogs — and vote Democratic

NOTHING YOU HAVE PREDICTED HAD COME TRUE, GO AWAY, YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But since you have opened the door
why don't you go away like you promised

jamie, i would hope god has bigger fish to fry. I would also guess that Palin never heard John Prine's "Your Flag Decal ..."

well, gotta run.

Phil Graham has decided to name who the whiners in America are...if you aren't a McCain voter, you're on the list...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aMKGayf6JoDc

jibjab

http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

julie

Betting on a Palin Withdrawal...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/02/technology/kimes_intrade.fortune/index.htm

Were they Catholic, I think we'd know their method of birth control...

Yes, I understand that's a burn in hell statement...couldn't resist though...

Craig,

At some point can you offer an opinion on what the Palin pick means for the Alaska Senate race? Especially if Stevens is convicted, can she save that seat by being on the ticket?

This is an interesting read about the demise of the Northeast Republican...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26510333/

In a bitter House primary last February, Republicans in Maryland’s First Congressional District chose a conservative challenger, Dr. Andrew Harris, booting out centrist Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, who had represented the district for nearly 20 years.

A McCain Republican supports a Democrat
This week Gilchrest revealed that he is abandoning his party’s candidate, Harris, to cross over and endorse Democrat Frank M. Kratovil, Jr.

Greetings all- Went on my annual 4 day vacation to visit my family and Scottish Games, listen to great music and spend as much time possible in the beer tent! Was on the road when a reporter from the WP called me to hear my opinion about Palin. I had been traveling since the early morning , so I didn't know a thing about it. Anyways, was anxious to get back and see what you all thought about McCain's choice. Chloe, Jamie, Jack , Flatus, Sturge, Dr. Marcia?

Jamie- laughed to see you used one of my all time favorite expressions- clusterfuck!

I had to repose a minute when E.Tom asked what a clusterfuck is.
I wish I had dime for every time an army sergeant screamed at a group of to "break up this clusterfuck before a grenade gets all of you!", this said whether in the war or in a peaceful setting.
In army terms, it meant more than a pair of people so close together that a hand grenade could get them all.
In peaceful stateside settings, it just meant to break it up.

Dexter- thanks for that, didn't know it was an army term.

IQ or EQ? IQ will get you through school-EQ will get you through life. Keeping in mind that only 26% of Americans have a college degree--which one will rule in November?

Did I just hear that Dubya is speaking at the convention tonight???? I can't wait for all those shots of the crowd standing and giving that doofus ovation after ovation. It's gonna be saweeeeeeeeeet.

According to Wolf Blitzer, John McCain was supposed to give an interview to CNN today. Excerpts of this interview were to be shown throughout CNN's Tuesday coverage of the RNC.

However, McCain has since withdrawn from this interview. I don't have a direct quote, but Blitzer tells us that the McCain camp claims that Campbell Brown's interview with Tucker Bounds last night went too far. What's "too far?" Simply insisting that he gives an example of Sarah Palin's foreign policy experience.

Video, just in case you haven't seen it, after the jump

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/2/163035/8405/137/583631

Brown is usually a Republican sycophant so I'm sure she is as shocked as anyone at the charge.

KGC,

If I'm correct, Brown's husband is a Republican operative too, so I was shocked that she has been one of the few reporters who went after a Repub spokesperson.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/mccain-the-just-do-it-candidat.html#comment-138088

Hi Sea,
Glad to see you're back. Hope you enjoyed your visit with your family.

Regarding your asking for an opinion on McCains choice, I'm was overjoyed with it. I like her. I also found the reaction to her to be interesting. At first funny, then it got downright mean. And after that, it started looking like she is going to be treated exactly like Hillary was treated by many. The personal attacks have gone on non-stop.

Immediately after sharing my opinion, the attacks started on me too. On this blog I've been told I'm not an American, I've been lying, I'm ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about, I'm not what I appear to be, I don't understand what's important - well, you get the idea. Get in line or get out. So, of course, that made me like Palin even more.

I've come to realize that many Democrats (I am now a Independent) pretend they are tolerant and accepting of those who are different, but instead mock and attack and hate. I guess that's what they meant when they said we have a New Democratic Party. Well, they can have it.

What did you think of Palin?

Craig's take on McCain: "A Supreme Court vacancy? Cool. Why not Judge Judy?"

If McCain becomes President we should thank our lucky stars for an appointment like Judge Judy.

Yes Campbell Brown is married to Dan Senor one of the players in the FUBAR that is the management of our participation in Iraq

"I've come to realize that many Democrats (I am now a Independent) pretend they are tolerant and accepting of those who are different, but instead mock and attack and hate. I guess that's what they meant when they said we have a New Democratic Party. Well, they can have it."

Well said Chloe--a voice of reason among the natering nabobs.

"I was unsure how the pregnancy of Sarah Palin's daughter would affect social conservatives' view of the governor's nomination for VP, but they seem to be taking it in their stride. If anything they are seeing it as a positive--more proof that Mrs Palin is a good and supportive mother. At any rate, they say, it is nobody's business but the family's.

The other good news for the McCain campaign is that many Democrats are mishandling the issue as badly as they mishandled the nomination in the first place. There is a tone of exultation over the Palin family's difficulties that will strike many centrists, and decent people regardless of ideology, as repellent. Again, to his enormous credit, Obama himself was the exception. What a class act he is. He reminded reporters that he is the son of an unmarried mother, said the families of candidates and especially their children should be off-limits, and told the press to drop the story."
http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_palin_nomination.php

All Campbell Brown did was keep pressing for him to answer her question she asked. As with most of these spin types all he did was talk very, very fast using one word from the question while saying nothing but the talking points in hopes that in the muddle the question would be forgotten.

She didn't forget and kept asking. He never answered.

No wonder McCain didn't want to be interviewed.

Ya know, Animal Control, what you said to Nanny was unneccessarily nasty. She doesn't post often, and most of us are glad to read her when she does. If you're going to take shots at people, use your name.

Yours truly,

Nat(t)ering nabob. -- Get a dictionary.

New thread

Hey Chloe
I'm an Independent also!! I understand how you feel about the current Democratic party and as Bethy would say your entitled to your opinion!! I love hearing your take on this election.I think you have taken a long time and thoughtfully considered your voting options and have come up with a smart informed choice for yourself. I did the same thing and came up with a different smart informed choice for myself,Obama.I believe differences should be respected, this is America after all.I know your a very thoughtful and smart person who brings us all up a notch!!!