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Craig great thread, could anything be more desperate than it all coming down to Palin saving the day!

And yo grits thank for the correction on Dole's nickname.

I thought the VP debate was Thursday night not tomorrow night ... typo Craig?

Everything about the McCain campaign is looking desperate. And in the case of Palin's selection he just looks pathetic and ridiculous.

LOL...did you mean to hold that post till midnight, Craig?

Jamie, you still posting recipes on your blog?

If I were in charge of Palin Pgymalion it I would highlight her lack of familiarity with Washington even more. Point out she has no stake in the old fights, issues and failures that make up the beltway baloney.

Whatever the issue - Palin's response should be couched in her approach to problem solving. How she looks at something, who she might turn to and how she would set priorities.

McCain has said she will be working on government reform, Palin should have a good response about what that means..

nann if you want to see just how desperate things are for McCain check out this vid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKfMuENxhY

He's now taking campaign advice from Fox's talking head!

I really don't know what to say to that, Brian. I'm sitting here with my jaw somewhere down around my knees. McCain is an idiot and Doocey and that blonde woman are morons.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152795

I usually do that only around holidays. Is there something special you wanted?

btw...do any of you use a voice chat program like ventrilo? I was thinking it might be fun for us all to be able to talk while we watch the debates.

Don't forget Biden,

Rumor has it that he will be wearing one of those electric dog collars, so his handlers can zap him when he goes off message or if they think that he is about veer off script. So just look for the frozen grin, and you'll know he got zapped.

Jamie today is a holiday! nann we of the backchannel do real time text chat during the debates via my web page, you're more than welcome to join and I'll post the URL before the debate.

well, i could use a really good recipe for apple butter. we're going apple picking like we do every year. but i'd like to do something more than applesauce and apple pies for a change. so if you can scare one up i'd be very appreciative.

LA Times today:

Palin’s former aides say under the lipstick is a real pit bull

subhead: Going into Thursday’s vice presidential debate, Sarah Palin’s former aides and Alaskan political rivals recall the candidate’s jab-with-a-smile skillfulness and warn not to underestimate her.

…”During Palin’s brief exposure to the high-stakes environment of political debates, she has unnerved both her handlers and her opponents. At times she has been handicapped by her lax approach to learning the nuances of policy and state issues, but she has also projected a Reaganesque ability to offer up pithy answers and charm on camera.

“The political landscape here is littered with people who have underestimated Sarah Palin,” said Eric Croft, a former state representative who ran for the Democratic nomination for governor in 2006 and appeared with Palin during several early forums. …

… Biden could face trouble, Alaskan political observers said, if he takes Palin too lightly. But he also has to take care not to be overly aggressive against a candidate who radiates telegenic appeal.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palindebate1-2008oct01,0,6197388,full.story

thanks, brian.

Brian

I know that, but I didn't think This New Year was what Nanny had in mind. You could probably give her better recipes than I can drum up.

Nanny ... You do know that Brian is a trained chef.

A lot of pr firms now have a division called perception management. Pms are not spin doctors because don't spin facts. They CREATE facts and then spin them to the world as truth. That to quote the venerable MarK twain is the diffference between lightning bugs and lighting.
So this perception management could create a man couldn't it? No facts behind the man, no experience, nothing to the man except the perceived ideas manufactured by the perception management firms.
Wow, almost sounds familiar doesn't it. Sure is great what new technology comes up with. Create facts and then give them to the world as truth, when in fact it is the same smelly odor it was to begin with.

Here is an interesting point of view on the bailout. Link below.

Commentary: Bankruptcy, not bailout, is the right answer

* Jeffrey Miron: Government encouraged lenders to relax their standards
* Mortgages were given to people unqualified to repay them, he says
* Miron: Rather than a bailout, government should let firms go bankrupt
* Talk of economic Armageddon is scare-mongering, Miron says

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/miron.bailout/index.html

It did not go without notice that both New Hampshire's freshmen congressional democrats voted against the bailout. I guess they want to get re-elected.

Julie

Even if that were true, you can't fake intelligence, speaking ability, command of issues, and ability to inspire others.

I can fault Obama for lack of experience and not being open enough or being a little snarky etc., but he is definitely growing into the role of President and should do find.

That's better than someone who isn't particularly bright, is more than a little over the hill, and is backed up by a totally unqualified neophyte.

Nan I've never made apple butter, that was my stepmothers job when I was a kid. Here's a pretty good list of apple sauce and spreads recipes, the apple - cherry chutney sounds good!

http://www.bestapples.com/recipes/search.asp?CAT=%27Spreads%27

I do make a lot of pies (not lately lately, I'm trying to knock off some weight and haven't had a baked good or pastry in over a month now) but would never freeze a pie, but I have frozen apple brown betty with good results.

No matter what Biden says or does, the McCain spinners will accuse him of sexism and making unfair attacks on poor little Sarah. I don't envy Biden on this one. I did alot of debating back in HS and college and I know this is not going to be a fair debate. You have one guy with a brain and an opponent with a lipstick painted smile that spews nonsense and sarcasm. it has the potential for disaster.

Thanks for the link, Brian. I had no idea you were a trained chef. I love to cook and bake, pastries and breads especially.

Craig, Another good post !!
The Cycles -
Also when the voters have time to learn the TRUTH of each then this may swing... If indeed this is possible.

NOW BRIAN and liberites calm down....

The Truth is Obama is for more of the same - Make easy credit, Pay for people to get houses, tax even more and double tax those that have been really succesful.
With Obama you will get your punishment of the succesful

Nanny,

I use Jonathan or Winesap apples

8 lbs apples
2 cups cider
2 cups vinegar
2-1/4 cups white sugar
2-1/4 cups packed brown sugar
2 tbsp ground cinnamon
1 tbsp ground cloves
Yield: About 8 to 9 pints

Procedure: Wash, remove stems, quarter and core fruit. Cook slowly in cider and vinegar until soft. Press fruit through a colander, food mill, or strainer.

Cook fruit pulp with sugar and spices, stirring frequently. To test for doneness, remove a spoonful and hold it away from steam for 2 minutes. It is done if the butter remains mounded on the spoon.

Fill hot into sterile half-pint or pint jars, leaving 1/4-inch headspace. Process in hot pack for about 10 minutes

I just don't get why so many pundits are calling PA close:

Q1. Which political party are you currently registered with?
DEMOCRAT..................51%
REPUBLICAN............... 38%
INDEPENDENT.............. 9%
OTHER PARTY...............2%

Q4.. Sarah Palin
FAVORABLE.........................41%
UNFAVORABLE....................39%
NEUTRAL/NOT SURE.......... 16%
HAVEN'T HEARD OF HER.....2%
Q5. and Joe Biden
FAVORABLE.......................50%
UNFAVORABLE..................31%
NEUTRAL/NOT SURE.........16%
HAVEN'T HEARD OF HIM...3%
Q6. Now, if the 2008 presidential election was being held today
and the race was between Barack Obama and
John McCain, who would you vote for? ( INCLUDING LEANERS)
OBAMA.............................49%
MCCAIN............................41%
NEITHER/OTHER..............3%
NOT SURE..........................7%

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/documents/Release_sept30.pdf

OK PING PLAYS THE PALIN RESPONSE...
ASK ME A QUESTION !!

Brain you used to run the polls for Edwards.. Ahhh who??? oh Edwards..
This is a good sign for McCain

Bowmac - GOOD POST.
The Freshman Dems are not brain washed to the socialistic PC Liberal ways of the old dem that are still inside the beltway

I love watching you squirm pong, you know I do! LOL. You going to join the chat during the Palin debate? We missed you last time!

I will try to join,
Hey we need her to do a good job - if not the race could be over and what will we do?

How does being the Gov of Alaska help with dealing with Russia?

Glad you asked.

Response

Certainly a valid question and concern – and should be asked of all. Without a doubt I have a lot to learn regarding specifics. As Gov I have not had the access to different levels of National Intelligence as the 3 Senators running.
And certainly only John McCain and Joe Biden have the time in office.

Being the VP to John McCain will bring the opportunity and this will be a priority. Much as Freshman Sen Obama has been tracking and learning to close his gap, so will I. The difference is on the Republican Ticket the senior most experienced person is in the seat of the President.

Be assured that I will close the gap, Be assured that I also have a personal family stake as does John McCain in the decisions that are made in relation to our National Security.

And in the Matter of National Security the issues related to Energy independence are not new to me.
We are fortunate to have a strong experienced leader such as John McCain as the Presidential nominee for the Republican ticket.

Thank you, too, Jamie. I'm going to try your recipe and one or two of the ones Brian linked too.

Ping Pong,

The NH freshmen democrats are very much the "socialistic PC Liberal" in their orientation. The NH voters generally are not.

They knew that if they voted for it, it would hurt their chances of reelection.

Most people up here don't have much sympathy for "Bankers Gone Wild."

Palin to Biden

Sen Biden,
How are you guiding and helping Sen Obama with your advantage in National Security?
As you and Hillary stated in the Primary and righfully so, he is a NOVICE and danager to America

How and why did you change your position?

Craig - I should be in Poliitics

"Certainly a valid question and concern – and should be asked of all. Without a doubt I have a lot to learn regarding specifics. As Gov I have not had the access to different levels of National Intelligence as the 3 Senators running.
And certainly only John McCain and Joe Biden have the time in office."

Pong what a terrible response to that question. That says I speak out of my ass without having the information to back up what I say.

Bush tool!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDMU-JfYouU&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/unearthed-video-mccain-pu_n_130680.html

Ping:

It is better than anything Palin has come up with so far. But it is still a "punt" and there is no way the McCain campaign will ever let her acknowledge that a "gap" exists.

So, nannymm are you conceding the debate to Palin already? Or just setting low expectations?

That doesn't show much confidence in the Senator Biden, a man who has been in the Senate since 1972.

The key is the connection to Obama - He has little to NO advantage to her in the area other then his Rock Tour to Europe and the Senate time.

Same result for Palin - if she slightly loses she wins as Obama did earlier this week

Major sexist alert, the opinion below comes directly from reading the newspaper comics section for the last 45 years.

My bet is that Palin wins, guys rarely come out on top in an argument with a woman!

I also think it is interesting to watch McCain try to hammer Obama on lack of experience in Friday's debate and then try to defend Palin's experience in his recent interviews.

It is a tough sell he is trying to pull off. It was not as apparent after the RNC - because the McCain campaign dropped the whole "not ready to lead" thing and tried to co-opt the change message.

The Clothes will begin to fall from the Emperor !!! The garments which conceal the impacts to the people
Nero where are you?
October is soon here

No, Bowmanc, I am not conceding. As long as he shows up, Biden will win based on knowlege of the issues. The problem is lies with how much of the ignorant general public scores theses debates based on silly and meaningless soundbites that stick in their empty heads. And let's face it, Palin has cornered the market on silly and meaningless this election cycle.

Ping:

Obama has a huge advantage based on the fact that he has been on the campaign trail for 19 months and particpated in more than 20 debates - and held his own - with Foreign Policy experts.

Obama has been strong on issues of National Security and Foreign Policy - and Palin has been weak.

You don't even get to the "experience" argument if Palin can't instill some confidence when addressing these issues.

nannymm,
turn about is fair play

warren.
who is first choice in National Security? Biden, Clinton or Obama?

Also Obama is CHANGING his positions - like the frog in cold water that slowly comes to boil - his supporters if they listen will find out they have been cooked.

He is slick

Holly shit, Dick Morrison is projecting Obama 355 electoral, McCain 133

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s=al&promo_code=6BE8-1

Olbermann interviewed this guy. The site is loaded with information about polls and statistics.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Hey Chloe
I just caught up.I hope you don't go away,cause that's what they want!! I know I almost quit TM the other day when Jamie, a poster I really liked accused me of posting as Sock!! I was hurt but I set it aside because she doesn't really know me as she doesn't know you!! I support and am voting for Obama and this is total crap from some of his supporters!! Remember Hillary. Stick around there are many of us who like you just as you are!! Don't change for anyone!!

Have it both ways.

THE MARKET IS UP,,,, TRILLIONS MADE !!!
McCain Impact is making the difference !!!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122277013675389859.html?mod=djemalertMARKET

Brian,

That is really scary. Dickie toe sucker is NEVER right about anything.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152843

Tony I made a mistake. I didn't see the quote markets. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, and I definitely wouldn't want you to leave. I was on a tear about all the phony names that made everything so confusing.

Ping:

National Security is my #1 issue. I have listened to all the candidates on this issue - including Obama for a long time before he started running for President (since I was very impressed with what he has to say)

-Clinton is the best politically

-Biden has the most experience and wealth of knowledge.

-Obama has the most intelligence and has shown the best vision and judgment.

(Obama also has a potential to have a level of credibility on the world stage - that cannot be matched by someone who voted for the Iraq War.)

LOL, that wasn't the take I took on it Jamie!

Dream on, Ping. McCain's only impact is negative. He looks like the tired old fool he is. He couldn't even deliver a single representative from his home state yesterday. That's pathetic.

Brian,

You have been wrong about my intentions before. lol

I really, really, really do hate the changing aliases :-)

Yeah but Nann ,Obama couldn't deliver the Congressional Black Caucus either!

Warren,
OK - question. Given the fact we are already at war. Help me understand the following short history

Obama's withdraw NOW during the Primary.

Block the surge - it is a failed strategy or tactic who cares.

No I will not admit the surge is working and the Iraq People are better off - If elected I will exit ASAP.

If we leave I will come back?

Now what is he saying?
Like I said he is changing more to McCain - But what does he really mean? Which part of his best vision do you support? He has many

Well, nammymm

I am so sorry that the unsophisticated, easily manipulated voters will actually be allowed to vote. Obviously if they choose someone that you don't like or agree with that makes them the "ignorant general public". That strikes me as a statement that reeks of condensation. As long as you are comfortable with superior knowledge of what is good for the American public, I say run with it.

nannymm - Yes through your eyes - and many on this blog, Nothing McCain can do will change you, and probably nothing Obama will do can hurt him with you.

But you are not the swing vote and a different set of eyes are the ones that will make the choice.

As Craig says - a few more cycles.
I hope the fun continues

Ping

The stock market and the credit market are two different animals. The stock market is just going up and down as they try to guess whether banks are going to get bailed out of fail and what a continuing tight credit market will do to business.

Today they went shopping for bargains.

Ping:

Despite all the misinformation thrown about in the media. Obama was actually to the right of Clinton on this issue.

Go back and check for yourself - but during the last couple of months. Clinton took the position that she would begin withdrawal in 60 days "no matter what" the generals on the ground said.

Obama did not give in - and stuck to his position that withdrawal would be done responsibly over the course of 18 months.

Warren YES we are saying the same thing.
He did move to a TIME TABLE with no accountability.
I am certain this was a change from early in the Primary ... But I need to check it out
My Point - he has changed several times and he failed to agree with the success of the surge

Ping:

To tell ya the truth - I think McCain's and Obama's position on Iraq is actually getting much closer than the political banter seems.

But I think setting a deadline will give some potential for the Iraqi government to make some political progress. Remember that to many Iraqis - this is an American "occupation". And many Iraqis won't support their own leaders if they appear to be cow-towing to Washington.

I also think a deadline will get spur the Iraqi millitary to action in getting ready to take over. (I know with most things - nothing happens till a deadline is set - it is human nature).

And guess what - under Obama's careful plan - if violence gets out of control we can stop pulling out brigades.

But we will never know what will happen until we start. And there are plenty of good reasons to start this process and end the status quo.

OMG - Someone get this woman a subscription to WaPo and the NY Times ...

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

off to the gym - will be back later.

A study conducted by UCLA's Department of Psychiatry has revealed that
the kind of face a woman finds attractive on a man can differ depending on
where she is in her menstrual cycle.

For example: If she is ovulating, she is attracted to men with rugged
and masculine features. However, if she is menstruating, or menopausal,
she tends to be more attracted to a man with duct tape over his mouth and
a spear lodged in his chest while he is on fire.

No further studies are expected.

Jamie: re Palin and newspapers: that's astounding. She couldn't even fake her way out with Wall Street Journal or NY Times or the Economist.

How parochial. She is just not that curious. I realize she's very busy with her job and family.... but that's just astonishing.

Now that is Foreign Policy!!
Do not attack us at the wrong time

Ping: that's hilarious! You had me for a while!

Now see, you can get away with jokes like that about men.... guess that was yer point....

"condensation".....hmmmm. No comment.

Actually there is some truth to the humor and is taken from a study...
OK I am not a sexist - I am in full support of Sarah or Hillary or or or....
I like women !!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152847

Jamie
Thanks for that!! I learn so much here from all you smart people that it would take much to move me to leave.I defend Chloe as I would defend your right and Brian's to post as you wish.I remember when Craig said some things to Brian ,I felt bad for him and went to the BC and expressed that to him.I like and respect you Jamie as you were the first poster I responded to and felt empathy for,you were attacked daily, all for your beliefs and handled yourself in the most respectful way.I also understand you have been consistent in the fact that some of these anonymous posters are detrimental to this blog and I agree!! Thanks again!

Palin: ‘I’m the New Energy’

“since I was in, like, second grade.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/palin-im-the-new-energy/

And she speak good too

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152865

You would think the waiting room at the Pediatrician would have an old copy of Time.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152849

Brian
Oh you little devil!!
Like you anyways!!!

Hey Sarah the University of Iowa just called, they want the diploma back.

xrepublican; 6:20pm....previous thread...... "monolithic republican is dead", and god damn about time. However, I don't understand why it was directed at me. I'm not a repug, just because Brian says it, doesn't make it so, and just because MO disgusts me and Pelosi is a waste of time, doesn't make me any less of a dem than you or anyone else. I just happen NOT to look at this NEW dem party through rose-colored glasses........................

Chloe; tonyb39; ..previous thread.............. re: links, sometimes you have to explain everything because the aptitude for reading between the lines here is non-existent and the density is worse................................

toast; 10:53 am .....previous thread...."how to praise pelosi", eloquent!!!

Chloe; ....they call me a repug too, but it doesn't matter because once you know that when you ask for answers all you get is attacks, you're ahead of the game because you know it's just because they don't have any answers. I mean the only ones here who do, or have done any REAL research are Jamie, and Gordo........................................................................

Dog's Eye View; previous thread................ "tired of suffering fools gladly", So, what you're saying is that you and others that have been around for a while, got along so well because no one disagreed. How very clicky and myopic and uneducational and sad, sounds like something the right wing churches would demand, how anyone with even a grain of intelligence could get get PASSIONATE over this sorry election is beyond me, and really scraping the bottom of the barrel, entertainment wise..............................................

Animal; 2:08 pm ............."neocons = neolibs", extremely good deduction, I wish more had that insight.

Bear; 3:35 pm ............... "Clinton's most reliable constituancy". Yeah right, reliable. They can be relied on to turn on you at the drop of a hat, or a word..............

Rezdog; 4:55 pm ...................... "why isn't it racist for all blacks to vote for Obama". Well - why isn't it?

For all of you BO supporters: For 3 days I have been asking for someone to define change - what is he going to change and how is he going to do it? If there isn't anyone who can answer, say so, or if you wouldn't mind taking the time, it would be most appreciated, if not, don't attack people who hold a different view than you or who submit different ideas, otherwise people might think your CULTISTS................................................

Rita

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152868

Nannymm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmU3iANbgk

Rita

It is the new politics. You don't debate positions. you sneer , call names, belittle, and demonize the opposition. Not everybody but too many yield to the temptation.

Jack

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152874

Idaho. You know where they grow potatoes.

Rita

It is what happens when you let the wingnuts rule.

We know what happens when the Republicans let the right wing nuts be in charge,
What makes us think that the left wingnuts will be any better.

Jack

Jack
Your another guy I like and respect! Always knowledgeable and always a pleasure to read.Words cost nothing! Thankyou

Jack there you are, I've been wondering where you've been hiding all day.

Idaho, yes, thanks for catching my mistake, I was chatting with my friend Marjorie earlier about her daughter who is going to vet school in Iowa, I guess I had Iowa on my mind.

~~~~~~~~~~Idaho, Iowa what ever, it is all out there in flyover country. Who cares~~~~~~~~~~~~

;-p

Jack

And these are the creatures being slaughtered in miles lon seine nets so that you can eat fish

http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=871915676&pl=872921716.xml&plc=872921716&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headline&config=/config/common/fan/default.xml

"~~~~~~~~~~Idaho, Iowa what ever, it is all out there in flyover country. Who cares~~~~~~~~~~~~"

True that!

Jack; 9:39 pm ................ You know, Jack, I don't expect any different, what's pissing me off is that I, and others like me(Chloe)except they're more polite, are being bullied and called down because we don't expect any different and that seems to be heresy these days........

Rita

"I mean the only ones here who do, or have done any REAL research are Jamie, and Gordo........................................................................"

Rita,

I hope you don't really think that Gordo and I had anything in common. He copied and regurgitated. That isn't research.

Yes rita, you're losing on the issues so now you just attack the Obama supporters, we get it. And BTW to you and others who keep chiming in that I accuse of being repugs solely on the basis you are not supporting Obama, not true. I accuse many of you of being repugs based on the policy statements many of you you have made, and the fact that you could support the likes of Sarah Palin who is so counter to anything the Democratic party stands for that your committed to the values of my party are highly in doubt.

Keep it up, a good part of the population of the US consider themselves hicks and rubes and just love to be looked down upon by the well educated, conceited, sophisticated marvels from the big cities and universities. They work hard, drive old pick up trucks, marry their first cousins (just kidding), pay child support, are honest...and don't spend all day and night on political blogs.

Those are the people that Obama needs to seal the deal. Will he? Time will tell. But insulting them is not the way to their hearts. If you don't think so, rent the movie Deliverance, it's a classic.

And there you have it, the big city contempt of the heartland, except when the electoral votes are needed.

"~~~~~~~~~~Idaho, Iowa what ever, it is all out there in flyover country. Who cares~~~~~~~~~~~~"

True that!

"Words cost nothing!"

That was never more true than a forum like this one. There is little cost on most net discussion groups. I real life it can be a different story.
Which reminds me HRC is not using her email list to fund raise for Obama but I did get an email for her Hillpak to give money to help in local races. I sent a $100, not much but there are other priorities out there too.

Jack

So let me see if I get this Bowmanc, an attack against Palin is an attack against all hard working, uneducated, cousin marrying members of the public? The elitist charge is getting very old Bow, it didn't work for Hillary, it's not working for McCain, and it won't help Palin out of the deep pool of quicksand she now finds herself sinking into. And BTW Bow we don't really need to attack Palin, enough members of your own party are doing just fine at that.

cnn - lou dobbs did a poll /re biden - Palin
check it out on dobbs website

Do you believe it’s time for the liberal national media to take note that Senator Biden has made far more misstatements than Governor Palin?
Yes 66% 5598
No 34% 2873
Total Votes: 8471

This is not a scientific poll

Biden is noted for his gaffes & misstatements..

"So let me see if I get this Bowmanc..."

No you don't , and you never will. But that's OK because you aren't breaking any new ground. Your comments on this blog make your contempt for any one that does not agree with very clear.

And once more you are completely wrong about my party affiliation. Not affiliated with any party in the State of New Hampshire.

"And once more you are completely wrong about my party affiliation"

lol
I've noticed he is good at that.

Also Bowmanc it doesn't matter what Brian thinks of people else where. He is from New York, nobody cares except another New Yorker.

Jack

Jack

Sorry Jack,

New Yorkers don't care either. It's very lonely in the Big City.

ah contempt for us big city dwellers, now we see who the real bigots are! Now I understand just what those cracks about Obama and the "Chicago machine" are all about. Thanks for clearing that up guys, I knew I could count on you two!

And it is also why the bailout failed. People from the "flyover" states told their congressional reps to screw those rich bastards from New York City and Wall Street.

Julie

Lou Dobbs is dissin' my man, Biden? I would say Biden needs to protect his Huevos when he gets in a tangle with Palin. But he doesn't have any.

Jack

It took you this long to figure that out?

My God, you are slipping.

Go to this web site, it could help.

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_diagnosis.asp

Jack,

I think the Palin/Biden debate will be real interesting. Just hope it is not as boring and lackluster and McCain and Barky was.

julie

So just how long have you felt this contempt for city dwellers?

Brian,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152797

Is further proof that Republicans just can't get good fluffers...

Ping Pong...

This is too funny...would it be inflammatory to intimate she was a black woman?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152864

Yes, everyone...I am kidding...

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BTW Ping Pong,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/is-palins-debate-showing-mccai.html#comment-152844

Hard for him to even get credit now since the FDIC limit increase may do the trick and while some house Republican's tossed the idea around...Obama announced it first and McCain credited him with the idea on a morning talk show...lol

Unlike Senator Clinton, Joe Biden was given a pass by msm ,Biden claimed he was "shot at" in iraq 2005.

One of his other gaffes , he intimated that his helicopter went down in Afghanistan due to attack, when in reality it went down because of a snow storm.

The msm and this blog as well has castigated Sarah Palin for everyhing from her hairstyle,clothes, shoes,
her family, her every word, you name it. Why should Biden be given a pass for his numerous misstatements.

Julie

I was listening to Susan Estrich the other day on KCUR. She was telling about the Bensen /Quail debate. Her point is no matter how great a victory a VP scores(and Bensen did.) Nobody votes for the VP.
So enjoy it, look at the future of women in politics. But it is not the main show. The economy has taken the limelight from everybody.

Jack

1. I never head either of those statements.
2. I vaguely remember someone Senators making a forced landing in Afghanistan a couple of years ago and even if a fart freaked out the pilot and cause him to land quick...I'd feel like I was shot at.
3. If you can offer a redeeming quality, like useful knowledge on a meaningful topic, decent personality, you get a pass.

It's not just Biden...everyone admits Cheney is a douchebag but he got a pass for so long because the press either liked him or were scared shitless by him...

Lastly, if you come out right away and say the press is mean or unfair, they tend not to cut you slack. If you pissed off your neighbors enough, don't expect them to stop the guy robbing your house when you aren't home.

"the FDIC limit increase may do the trick"

Do what trick?
How will this address the liquidity crises that is what everyone claims to be happening? This sounds like a 1930's solution to a 21st century problem. Banks don't rule the world.

Jack

"well educated, conceited, sophisticated marvels from the big cities and universities."
posted by bowmanc

you forgot beautiful, chic, and cosmopolitan, but otherwise your right on.
Born and raised in NYC and DAMNED PROUD of it.

Rita:

Change Equals:

-Change from the failed policies of the last 8 years. Most importantly with respect to Foreign Policy. Obama represents a "clean break" from Bush.

-A surge in public service by parlaying the energy of grassroots movement started by Obama's campaign into cvic duty

-A decrease in the partisan nonsense. I am talking about a slight move in the right direction - not a total elimination of partisan politics which I acknowledge is imposiible.

Obama is the only candidate that has been called out for not attacking his opponents hard enough. He has also been mocked for expressing agreement with Clinton and McCain in major debates. Once we move past the heat of the campaign - I think there is a real chance for improvement.

make that "you're."

I knew there was something I liked about you nann!

Jack,

Some attribute bank liquidity issues to a couple of factors...

1. Small Businesses are fearful of keeping more than $100K in a bank because were the bank to fail they would be s.o.l. many medium size companies may need that on hand to manage payroll and accounts payable etc.

2. With people withdrawing funds from banks, it reduces their assets and cash on hand and it can force them to borrow to maintain the authorized amount. If they are unable to borrow from other banks, that creates issues as well.

3. It further reinforces to people that their money is safe and makes them less likely to panic. My girlfriend heard a rumor about Bank of America and I told her she didn't need to take her money out of there. She lived in Rhode Island so she remembers the DEPCO credit union failure which cost her parents a lot of money they never recovered.

Hey, Brian, we New Yorkers gotta stick together. LMAO!

Julie:

The problem is that everything is a big deal when you introduce a VP candidate to the Country with only 60 days until the election.

There is stuff in Biden's closet - and McCain's closet (like Keating 5) - that doesn't get as much attention because (1) it has been covered in the past, and (2) there is a long record of other things to talk about.

And the same thing is done to Obama by the Right Wing media with respect to his associations, his patriotism, etc. Just turn on talk radio at any point during the day....

Obama's neighborhood,

I have been working a cpl. of blocks from the Obama/Rezko house, for a couple that both doctors. Mr. Doctor is still pissed abut Sen. Clinton not representing the Dem's for POTUS. He thinks that he should have waited. Thinks that he doesn't have the experience to see the country through the mess we are in.He will vote for Obama or just sit it out, he will make up his mind when he goes in to vote on the same day.

Mrs Doctor loves O, and is fanatical about him. She showed me the back packs that her 5 and 6 year old take to school with three Obama metal signs pinned on each, she asked me what I thought about them---she didn't like my answer, told her that it looked like it weighed them down. I should have told her that children should not be influenced by parents at such a young age. (that goes for religion too).

Her cook told me that she was afraid Obama would be killed before he finished his term, but he had better win, if he didn't, it would be long long time before another black would get to get this far. These are some thoughts from black people, I hope that the Doctors lack of enthusiasm for O does not make it racial t anyone here.

Chloe, Rita, Toast,Champ, and others, I see that you haven't learnt how to tag team, as well as the others. Since when does seniority count on a blog? when she get tired, the flying nun will come to police the neighborhood and show Craig that she really really cares, while the point man is shooting at you, and using Jamie as cover. I won't post much cause I don't think I contribute that much, but along with the 5,500 lurkers know the truth, if you can;t ignore them kill them with kindness----yes sir, no sir, yes mommy, no mommy, and the go ahead and give us al that great conversation that you all can.

It is September madness!

Here is a bracket to help you keep track of the players and the winners and losers in September Madness.

http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/septembermadnessb.jpg

Is it a liquidity "crisis" if banks stop making the shitty loans that got us into this mess - and decide to only make loans that they reasonably think they will get back?

She didn't even know the name of ONE newspaper!! When Couric asked her , she said she reads "oh, all of them, whatever they put in front of me.."
She never reads The Times, WaPo, The Journal, The Trib, The Freep, The LA Times, The London Times, well...NONE of them!
Biden will simply mop the floor with her.

The Obama camp really needs to tie down McCain in Ohio, even if Obama can't take the state he needs to make McCain fight for ever vote in the state:

"McCain leads by 17 points among those who earn more than $50,000 a year. Obama leads by 21 points among those who earn less than $50,000 a year. McCain leads 5:4 in Columbus, Cincinnati, and Toledo. Obama leads 5:4 in greater Cleveland. McCain and Obama are effectively tied in Dayton. McCain leads by 12 points among whites; Obama leads by 69 points among blacks. 65% of likely voters say the next president should focus on the economy ahead of all other issues: among that group, Obama leads 5:4. 9 of 10 Republicans vote for McCain; 8 of 10 Democrats vote for Obama; independents are tied. Among men, McCain today leads by 5 points, down from 13 points two weeks ago; among women, Obama today leads by 2, down slightly from 4 points two weeks ago. Among voters who are younger than Barack Obama, Obama and McCain were and are tied. Among voters older than John McCain, McCain had led by 10; now, Obama and McCain tie among these voters. Among voters who are in-between the two candidates' ages, McCain had led by 10, now leads by 2."

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f59524ea-868f-443b-bd5f-b96bf98b6e79

A BOA rumor,
that explains the crowd my wife encountered at the midtown bank this afternoon. She went out to a suburban bank and nobody was there.

I can see where raising the limit could calm some jitters and might make for a small movement out of the market into banks. It was my understanding that the problem was mortgage firms and banks can't borrow money against their assets to have more money to loan. This problem is , as I understand it way beyond getting a few more people to deposit money. It involves the large institutional money lender,(insurance companies , pension funds etc.) having confidence in the system so they can turn loose of their money.

Jack

Jack my understanding about raising the FDIC coverage is more about reassuring small business owners that their money is secure in their local banks.

Dex,

when you are a mother with children, a demanding job, a house to run. You rarely have time to read. Then it is usually something at the beauty salon, the dr office, dentist, etc. Or I do suspect the governors office reception area has magazines. Probably a nice supply, and a person tends to pick up the one that has the front cover that is most interesting. Not particularly one for the name. If she named one over the other then she would be said to be partisan.. she was trying to be fair, not stupid....
julie

julie

Jack,

While an understandable concern, banks are not only not making risky loans, they aren't making loans to other banks, or even their best business clients.

There was a story earlier today that some McDonald's franchisee's were having a hard time getting financing from banks.

To put it in perspective, the only McDonald's I have ever known to close in the US were the results of major storm damage or due to mass shootings.

I am hearing a lot of businesses in the Fort Worth area facing similar difficulties and it seems if this isn't fixed this weekend, things will seize up on Monday.

A way to put this in perspective is that you can run an engine for some miles without having any oil in it. You go long enough, it just over heats, seizes up and you aren't going anywhere...If you add oil before it's too late, you'll keep going but maybe not as well until you do a proper tuneup. The legislation is the adding of the oil. Whomever the new president is will do the tune up when they are in office.

"when you are a mother with children, a demanding job, a house to run. You rarely have time to read."

Give me a friggin break, she's not running for Mother of the Year, she's running to be a 72 y/o heartbeat away from the Oval office. The Palin family also has an income of a quarter of a million dollars a year, I doubt she spending a lot of changing diapers, and if she is, she's even more stupid than I thought. Forgive us silly Democrats for expecting the VP to be well informed.

Palin Says She's "Everyday Working Class" Despite $250K Income, 5 Properties, 2 Boats, And 1 Plane

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/palin-says-shes-everyday_n_130711.html

Palin should also stress why Alaska is different from the other states. Alaskans want the smallest possible government with the least amount of regulation and lowest taxes. Alaskans live there because they do not want to be told what to do.
The ungovernment.

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Posted by: sturgeone | September 30, 2008 7:07 PM

ZOT in Dutch means "crazy"...

Or Palin could answer ZOT to every question.

Julie,

For Newspapers, I read the following in some form at least 3 times a week...

1. Providence Journal
2. Boston Globe
3. New York Times
4. Fort Worth Star Telegram
5. USA Today
6. Washington Post
7. Boston Herald
8. Hartford Courant
9. Wall Street Journal

I only read the FST and USA Today physically and I read the rest online.

I have an idea, why not have Tina Fey sit in for Palin during the debate. At least she's fun to watch.

Brian

I am quite sure you have no inkling to what it is to be a working mother with children to raise. SInce you have never had any. Even if someone else is hired, those children need prime time with Mom, events to attend. School conferences, things that a hired person cannot accomplish. A governor's job cannot be a simple 9-5 job either. Her accomplishments are to be admired. Not scorned by men that have no earthly idea what it is all about and just think she is stupid. I would venture to say that neither you nor Dex could ever do what she had accomplished.. Then again , not issues, just generally - she is bad at everything..
A man's view - After all she is just a woman.. If it had not been for a woman , you would not be here now.

Well Powerpuff Girl actually answered a question in a good way (for a fundie):

And on gays, Governor Palin said: “But what you’re talking about, I think, value here, what my position is on homosexuality and you can pray it away, because I think that was the title that was listed on that bulletin. And you know, I don’t know what prayers are worthy of being prayed. I don’t know what prayers are going to be asked and answered. But as for homosexuality, I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships. I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years happens to be gay, and I love her dearly. And she is not my “gay friend,” she is one of my best friends, who happens to have made a choice that isn’t a choice I would have made. But I am not going to judge people.”

One little postscript: It’s been pretty apparent throughout this last week that Ms. Couric has managed to elicit, through quite interesting questions, what Ms. Palin believes. Like no other journalist before the debate on Thursday night.

NYTimes...

And another Julie, she was asked to name a newspaper, not to recall column for column what she had read, she couldn't even name one. She couldn't even site one case that had been in front of the Supreme Court. Shame on you, and shame on your party for trying to push this unqualified nitwit on the American people.

Bear, interesting what you are reading. In Europe I rely on the websites for news. Beyond NYTimes, WashingtonPost, CNN, I enjoy Christian Science Monitor and LA Times. At work I TRY to read the Dutch language news... Of course I am working my ass off the whole day. And Dutch isn't easy, even after 10 years!

"I would venture to say that neither you nor Dex could ever do what she had accomplished."

You're absolutely right, if I had a child I could never force her to into a marriage at 17 to suit my political goals.

I am late for work... crap! OK everyone have a nice evening, sleep well and be nice. Last blog I thought I was watching Krystle and Alexis go at it again. I say that with a group hug and a wink and smile.

bye all.

Bear

I congratulate you for your reading ability. I also read now, a book a day. But when I was in working mother mode, sometimes on sunday, the paper and crossword. So the castigation over her answer is just plain silly. Implying that she is stupid is ridiculous.

Euro,

Those are just newspapers...

I also hit ...

MSNBC.com
cnn.com
huffingtonpost.com
bbc.com
nationalreview.com
newrepublic.com
npr.org

BTW, I think in this video clip, John McCain admits Saddam was a Republican because he tied him to the anthrax attack against Leahey and Daschle...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/unearthed-video-mccain-pu_n_130680.html

We are not implying anything, we are saying flat out, she's stupid.

Julie,

I can understand your frustration, but unfortunately this is a shit sandwich that women in the workforce face when wanting to get ahead. You end up carrying a huge burden.

She isn't free of cri