Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The posts from the previous thread are among the most distasteful ever.

Perhaps this blog should just shut down if it continues to be a cesspool.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-137052

Craig Crawford's excellent video report brings Warren's words to life.

CNN..the bounce is over

Obama +1
With Nader and Barr/Nader gets4% O leads by 2

We are in big trouble folks..

The more I hear from Gov. Palin, the more I think even I may vote for O..

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Instead of attacking Palin directly - I think the Dems should attack the credibility of the GOP's campaign tactics. (McCain did not look good defending his pick this morning on Fox - even though he maintained a fake smile thoughout and called Palin his "soulmate".)

Republicans are able to turn on a dime. After spending months saying Obama lacked the experience to be President - they have now adopted the themes that Obama has based his campaign on from the start.

To defend Palin - they say judgment is paramount to experience and answer almost every question by repeating the mantra that Palin will bring a change to Washington.

If Obama is so naive and out of touch with America - why did he nail the two things most Americans are seeking from the next President right from the start....

(Kinda like Iraq. Obama opposed the Iraq War at its outset, calling it "an ill-conceived venture which would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences." Call correct.)

One Clintonite's Conversion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083101620.html

Warren----------------------------------

McCain's choice of Palin made the big difference -- the RW and ERW love Sarah. They'll be working and voting for HER. It's not about closing ranks -- it's enthusiasm that didn't exist before. The Repubs will have a united party -- the Dems are divided and will stay that way.

The DNC is going to pay a heavy price for stealing the nomination from Hillary. Just wait until the details from SoetorObama's "hidden" past are revealed to the public. We'll see a political meltdown like you can't even begin to imagine.

Looks like people were taking my advice before I even gave it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199029/

Now we just need to get the so-called surrogates "on message"...

McCain asked several people to be VP, they all said no. So he got desperate and made a knee- jerk decision and now he has an un-vetted under qualified person on his ticket.

Can this election get anymore odd.

Then - no one is showing up for the first day of the convention?

What ? is 72 year -old McCain going down to NOLA and holding back the flood water? when everyoneelse has been ordered to leave? this is insanity once again.

Bush and Cheney are sitting around asking each other:

Are you going?
Not if I don't have to.
Well, I'm the president, I make the call.
Well I have better things to do.
But so do I -will you go for me ?
Come on George - Just make something up we don't have to go.
We could bomb someone.....

dog- thanks for the response.

I believe you are correct, but also wrong. Meaning yes it offends people and makes them want to recoil - but when are they ever going to actually look at themselves and their racist tendencies, if no one calls them on it?

Time is now, the dialog is open, it's time to have it out.

Revenge Voting

"And make no mistake, bypassing Hillary for the conventional Biden was a political blunder of Titanic proportions. First, of course, it further alienated Hillary supporters. Second, it made McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin that much more damaging to Obama. On the Left, it gives Hillary supporters the opportunity, in good conscience, to exact revenge on Obama and the DNC by actually pulling the lever for McCain.

Hillary was Obama’s last chance to bring many of her supporters into the fold.

Obama’s narcissistic drive for power unleashed a politics so ugly that millions of committed progressives are seriously considering voting for his opponent. Palin is McCain’s love letter to Hillary’s supporters. Revenge is a bitch, baby."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/31/revenge-voting/

LOL- you're wearing him down, Gordo. Keep up the good work.

GORDO:

Are you an operative paid by the GOP to stir up discontent between the Obama and Clinton supporters?

I think it is becoming very clear to Hillary Clinton supporters still sitting on the fence that the GOP is doing all it can to manipulate them - rather than show them respect.

Clinton supporters - remember all of the GOP attacks made against Hillary over the last 16 years. Do you really think Obama is a sexist in comparison? Do you think a sexist could have married Michelle Obama?

Looks like this thread is going to be a bunch of infantile knotheads again..Don't some of you ever eat or sleep?

Guess what, twinkle-toes? I feel absolutely no need or obligation to articulate my philosophical beliefs to you.

Now I have posted my reasons why I think Clinton would have been a good pick for VP. But here is what the GOP would have done if Obama did pick her:

1. Use Clinton-hatred to rile up the base. That would have allowed McCain to double-down on experience and pick someone like Ridge or Romney. Instead - he was forced to pick Palin with all of the downside and risks that have been discussed.

2. Would have totally denigrated Hillary's "experience".

3. Would have used the sound byte that have another Clinton in the White House to continue the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cycle is not change. A stupid argument - but may have had some rhetorical effect on less-informed voters. In addition, the more despicable members of the GOP would have argued that a black man and a woman on a ticket is too much change...

4. Would re-raise the Bill Clinton running around the White House with nothing to do = drama. Again a stupid argument - but the GOP would be this dead horse and make some people forget that Bill could actually be a huge asset.

5. Most significantly, would have argued Obama was weak claiming that choosing a VP is the most important decision a nominee makes - and Obama made his choice out of fear and weakness.

Instead, we have McCain making his VP choice out of weakness, without proper vetting - and Obama making a choice that is respected by most fair-minded observers - including plenty of Clinton supporters.

"...the Democratic nominee, a man who has promised to bring this war to an end."

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

"..you support McCain"

A lie. Never said I did, and I don't. You're a compulsive liar, though, so no surprise there.

"...the truth is clear"

I question your clarity

"...you believe in nothing except hate."

Coming from someone so proficient in distributing hate, maybe I should be sobered by those words. They actually just made me laugh, though. Thanks again. You should take your act on the road. Oh, that's right, you don't leave the house.

Funniest line of the night: Oregon Democrat says "We" are in trouble.

As if OD has ever supported the Democratic nominee. lol

Does Biden have an problem?

Joe Biden drunk on campaign trail - NOT a joke video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY

"What are your hopes for the future of your country?"

You out of it.

GORDO:

No answer. Most people on this blog tend to share some personal information every once and awhile on this blog.

But not you.

(To be fair - I may have missed something).

But usually you are just cutting and pasting GOP proganda and seeking to stir up trouble.

Clinton supporters:

Do you want to side with (A) cynical and manipulative Right Wingers who are staunchly opposed to the issues Hillary has been fighting for, or (B) Democrats and Independents that are passionate about many of the same issues as you (even if that passion caused us to say stupid and hurtful things during the historic - and heated - primary race)?

Kudos to GORDO. That is definitely are marvelous thing to do.

I believe you're a total douchebag. Nighty-night, douchebag!

(As long as its true . . . I wouldn't put anything past the Republicans ; )

make that some Republicans...

And I would include the smarmy Dick Morris in that group.

I think Morris and Coulture are a match made in the dungeon located in Karl Rove's basement....

I guess that makes you an old queen after all!

A-ha-ha! You make it too easy.

Yo.
Good Morning everyone...

Am finally starting to enjoy the GE.
Worried that there is no bounce from the speech he (BO) made.... I smell trouble in paradise

OD, I am with you. I was considdering voting for BO after the super super trashy 18million cracks in the ceiling reference that Sarah P made on saturday: I was insulted!
Anyway, I am still not voting. But I am keeping an ear to the convention from the GOP...If they insult me again, I may vote.....

One thing I am happy with is that fact that now that I am an independent I truly give an ear to everyone. I can listen to anyone and just make a decission. I have to say, I followed the dems blindly since I was able to vote, based more on the tradition at home. So....that is good news.

Had a hugh argument with a friend of mine over the weekend about McCain....he plans on voting for the guy after watching him on the TV.....

Does McCain's comment that Palin is his soulmate remind anyone else of Bush's statement that he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul....

Can you believe the attacks the GOP would launch if Obama said he based his most important decision as a nominee because Biden was his soulmate.

And Craig resurfaces finally.

The Republicans should have held their convention in NOLA. Why didn't they?

tt

Jason: we should all be Independents and you should be proud.

(Way before I was ever politically active - or even conscious - my mom made the right decision registering me as an Independent.)

But we need a Democrat this year. We have seen the results of Republican policies over the last 8 years. Why do you think the results will be any different just because the figure-head is changed?

tiptoe! GREAT idea! Yeah, why didn't they?
Sounds like the GOP will be having quite a toned-down party.
Any of yas catch Matt Taibbi's post on the secret party-events the lobbyists held for the delegates and Congresspeople in Denver? It was another great Taibbi piece.
Since it's so quiet in St. Paul, let's reflect back to a livelier convention, 40 years ago...
Dan Rather gets punched by what Uncle Walter referred to as "thugs".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2d_1219739203

oh...there's really little quality blogging getting accomplished when a few keep badgering back and forth in childish sing-song silly posts. If some moron posts some ridiculous thoughts or taunts, for chrissakes, don't give them fuel to tie up this blog by taunting them back...drop the topic and post something worldly and worthwhile.
It's a big world out there and there are lots of things we like to be entertained with by our fellow bloggers' opinions and thoughts.
Childish taunting and accusations and return silly posts degrade this blog.
If you are so interested in what makes an obvious moron post stupid shit,. TAKE IT TO EMAIL.

Why do you think the results will be any different just because the figure-head is changed?

Posted by: warren | September 1, 2008 2:22 AM

....because he is his own person.

I am not saying that I will vote for the guy, but I am not looking at him based solely onthe fact that he is a repub. That is the true good thing about being an indy. Just be free to choose..... :-)

And although she may be unkown and shot a very loose canon Saturday, I think Sarah P is a very good addition to the McCain ticket.

Jason:

I am not looking at McCain soley on the fact that his a Republican either.

-I am looking at the fact that McCain wants to continue the Bush tax cuts when we are fighting two wars - and the deficit is getting out of control.

(btw, the rising deficit weakens the dollar which drives up the price of a barrel of oil - since it is pegged to the dollar.)

-He also has resisted ending the war in Iraq - even though the Iraqi govt and even the Bush administration is starting to work out a time-table.

-He has made irresponsible comments re: two of the major powers the next administration will have to deal with: 1) Bomb bomb bomb Iran 2) Putin is KGB. McCain is openly hostile to those Countries and will provide little chance for a diplomatic sollution.

-Since an honorable campaign was not working - he hired Rove's operatives to start making personal attacks on Obama to distract voters from the issues. And recently, he has cast the central themes of his campaign aside - and has adopted themes that Obama has relied on from the outset: Change and Judgment.

(Both candidates are Senators - so this campaign is really where we get to see their executive skills. Obama had the insight to see what voters were looking for right from the start. And he has also been able to build a grassroots campaign that has shattered all records of the old school establishment campaigns. Advantage = Obama.)

-I don't think enough can be said about Obama's ability to mobilize a huge number of Americans - many of whom had no involvement in politics before - through his inspirational speeches. Words matter. Especially when they are combined with Obama's impressive organizational talents in order to turn hope into action.

With Obama - we get a new generation of energized Americans - willing to participate in civic service - in addition to the many already involved. I think we could see a real "surge" in public service if Obama is elected.

-And yes - I would be proud - as an American - to elect the first President of a major Western nation that is not white. To me - this powerful symbolic moment in history will be much more effective than the barrel of a gun in our fight to spread Democracy throughout the world.

Thanks Warren

Any, rational meaning I can do something with, I will take in. At least two points within your opinion I fully support.

But one more thing: Why do we constantly focus on colour? I mean...I am a very proud American from African descent...But I am american first and foremost. I would like it if an AA was elected as POTUS, but I am not dwelling in the bask of this man. He is a very good orator, but he has many flaws which are certianly never questioned. And that angers me.
Why ? because he is an AA and nobody wants to anger the AA community...FUCK THAT!
If BO fucks up (which I think he will) we as AA´s will be hounded by that debacle for centuries. It will be said: You had your chance and you blew it.

We all know how BO used his race to his advantage, and is still doing. I am saddend by that.

But the again, that is one negative....Maybe JmC has more :-)

Yes, the "BOUNCE IS GONE" the "APPEASEMENT TEAM" is in big trouble now that McCain has Sarah the New Republican Terminator as his VP

She will Terminate Biden in their debate, and make him eat his words about how pretty she is

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Jason:

I can certainly understand and accept the position of those that do not see race as a reason to vote FOR Obama.

Although I am saddened and frustrated to hear anecdotes of those who take the position that race is a reason to vote AGAINST Obama. (Unfortunately I have heard a few such stories.)

I did not come to support Obama because he is African-American. But I do think - since he would be the first - Obama's election would be a significant moment in American history and a necessary step in the right direction towards a future where race and gender are no longer issues.

But regardless of what occurs during Obama's administration - anyone who judges future AA candidates on this basis of what Obama does or does not accomplish - would be acting irrationally.

A white candidate is not destined to be George Washington nor George W. Bush...

Time for bed.

Enjoy the rush now VJ - cause it ain't gonna last...

Come up with some more cliches and catch-phrases in order to obscure the truth - cause the GOP is gonna need them.

Jason:

You mind telling me which 2 you fully agree with?

(ok - now i am really going to sleep!!)

Jason; 3:55 am............... KUDOS in big letters, that is probably the most logical thing I've seen in at least three threads.......................................

Rita

Dos anyone remember, John Edwards as a VP choice? There is a presumption and miscalculation that Hillary's 18 Million votes in the primaries consisted of all females. Wrong! I am an African-American Democrat, a Hillary supporter, who believes Obama is insufficiently experienced for the Presidency. I also believe -- confirmed by the reticence of fellow AA's that I ask this type of question -- if you had to chose a CEO of an organization on whom your livelihood and welfare depended, would you choose someone with proven expertise and accomplishment, who had demonstrated the requisite skills of experience and leadership at that level, would you choose a new manager, a rookie, a surgeon or an intern; would you follow a Corporal into battle when a Captain or General is available? Experience. Leadership.

Later I had a word with one of his seemingly more rational cohorts in a clearing dimly lit from her ineffective sputtering torch......I didnt catch the name.......
"Sure, he can be abrasive, cruel, nasty, toxic, vicious, petulant, childish and mean.......but he's been a good friend to those of us who follow his precepts and abide by his idea of what constitutes a good american.....Say....you're not a muppet, are you??"
"Oh, NO," I hastened to reply, "I SAW one oncet, and I kicked 'im real hard.....right in the shin.....Big Bird, I think it was...."
"Well.....you got a real muppet look to you...."
"Nope, no way, not me....I hate them muppets......"

I took my leave then, resolved to go on back to charleston.....the people are gentler there.....

Warren@3:22
"-I don't think enough can be said about Obama's ability to mobilize a huge number of Americans - many of whom had no involvement in politics before - through his inspirational speeches."

And the same came be said of the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

He's inspired the young people to vote. Wonderful. I wish to hell Mr Bush had inspired them to take civics. Remember? The course they used to teach about the rights and duties of citizens.

There wasn't a damned thing in that curriculum about taking the kool-aid.

sturgeone and flatus, thank you thank you thank you. it's refreshing to take a cold morning shower of laughing at ourselves. sorta cures the hangover of last night's churlish diatribes.

Craig, Video today A+ for strong biased close and one sided reporting. You have flipped flopped from your Floridian roots. Why you ask? Good close to blame Katrina on the Republicans Failures
So wrong. No doubt you are not so old to forget that both the governor and Mayor both Dems in the effected area last time.
Who is the Governor now?
So for unbiased report F

PP, he is our host so I didn't take issue with the close of the video not being supported by the interviews (which I thought were well handled).

Sarah Palins political philosophy by category.
She's a "Populist-Leaning Conservative"

http://www.ontheissues.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=5&a2=3&a3=5&a4=1&a5=1&a6=2&a7=1&a8=4&a9=4&a10=2&a11=4&a12=2&a13=3&a14=4&a15=3&a16=3&a17=2&a18=2&a19=3&a20=4&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=20&e=60&t=4

Flatus - chores today? or did you get to sleep in...

And Craig is a good host... And knowing him he is enjoying the analysis as he is a master in his ability.

He is also a Floridian and knows that the key to Hurricane planning is LOCAL LEVEL, then the State, then the Fed. And they ALL failed last time in NOLA.

OPPS Major correction.
Hurricane Planning (or any situtation in life) First Responsibility is with the INDIVIDUAL !! To follow local Governement......

"Hurricane Planning (or any situtation in life) First Responsibility is with the INDIVIDUAL !! To follow local Governement......"
Posted by: Ping Pong | September 1, 2008 8:52 AM

Agree.

Morning chloe,

I wanted to let you know I read your well-written and brave post in the
previous thread. I admire your stance. You probably know I'm on your
side.

I was so angry reading the self-righteous and morally superior
tone of some of the fierce Obama supporters yesterday. Some on this
blog assume such thought policing tactics that it's creepy and condescending.

I'm not sure what I'll do as far as voting for prez. I only know for sure,
I still haven't made the leap to Obama. I may write in Hillary or not vote at
all for prez. . . but voting for O isn't an option right now for me.

I enjoy your links and thoughts. Wanted you to know.

Ping Pong,

We arose at 0630, which is late for us, got breakfast going, took our walk, and then had that breakfast.

I know Stinky is thinking of things for me to do, but maybe she realizes that it is Labor Day and that the old guy deserves a day off. But, that is so far out of character...

I know I'm about to be wrenched away from my keyboard.

Flatus... Hey it is after 9 and still on the keyboard !!
If I recall you could be in the Hanna path? So this is cause for more chores....
But does not sound like Stinky needs another reason

Flatus...

If it's any comfort, I am nominating your lawn as The Most Mowed Lawn In America.

Lard,

The mower the merrier!

More seriously, I'd love trying some xeriscaping here.

The only things that I know would grow without my intervention are kudzu and fire ants.

I'll have to check to see if there's a local native plants society.

Flatus...I've always fantasized about xeriscaping too.

My St. Augustine lawn is a crime against nature, but I've never had the heart to rip it out.

Have C-Span on in the background.

They're having a group thought session by Politico. One member of the panel is Tucker Carlson. I really react negatively to him.

"My St.Augustine lawn is a crime against nature,but I've never had the heart to rip it out"

I want to,but..............

John:

"I also believe -- confirmed by the reticence of fellow AA's that I ask this type of question -- if you had to chose a CEO of an organization on whom your livelihood and welfare depended, would you choose someone with proven expertise and accomplishment, who had demonstrated the requisite skills of experience and leadership at that level, would you choose a new manager, a rookie, a surgeon or an intern; would you follow a Corporal into battle when a Captain or General is available? Experience. Leadership."

You analogy sounds persuasive on its face - but it misses an important point.

In our situation, we are replacing an outgoing CEO that has ran the corporation into the ground. The proven and experienced CEO that you recommend for the job has made clear during the interview process that he will continue the same business plan of the outgoing CEO. Why do you expect any different results - simply because you like the resume better?

The young and intelligent leader that we have also interviewed has presented a business model that takes the company in a different direction. His business model is almost exactly like the one presented by the candidate you say would be the best for the job - Hillary Clinton.

It is about the policies people!!

(Cheney and Rumsfeld each had resumes comparable to John McCain - and where did that get us. The Republican party created the policies of the last 8 years. Bush was just the inarticulate figurehead that implemented them. Why will anything change if you replace the President - but continue down the same road?!)

Hi Marcia,

Just checking in (on my way out the door) and saw your post. Thank you! Glad to see you here today.

Hope you're still around when I get back.

Lard, where exactly are you?

When I was in Florida I was on the citizens advisory committee to the Tampa Bay National Estuary program. Xeriscaping was one of the things we worked to encourage. We also got into using reclaimed water. Worked big-time,

The regional planning council had _lots_ of resources.

I'm in Orlando, just down the road from Ping Pong and TonyB

Here's what a kickass news website looks like when it's doing its job during a major, live event.

It's the Times-Picayune's up to the minute coverage of Gustav's landfall.

http://www.nola.com/

I find in very ironic the many posters accuse the Obama supporters of engaging in a cult of personality. And yet many of these same posters turn around and say they will vote for McCain based on his resume and personal story - instead of where he proposes to take this Country.

There is nothing wrong with McCain - and indeed a ton of things right. The problem my friends is with the platform of the GOP that McCain promises to implement.

One Clintonite's Conversion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083101620.html

Posted by: warren | September 1, 2008 12:40 AM

Very good link Warren, thanks for posting it.

good 'n mad's obama button Shout-out .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QBY8oYqDqw

Warren, name names. No more sweeping, unsupported charges that many posters "accuse Obama supporters of engaging in a cult of personality." This is as bad as your "you people" postings.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/gop-sings-the-gustav-blues.html#comment-137164

I thought Craig was too nice to the Repugs...

Gardener and garden.-- Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him!

FW Nietzsche, from " Daybreak".

"I'm in Orlando, just down the road from Ping Pong and TonyB"

You folks should get together and start the Trail Mix Florida Resource Conservation Chapter. Get the Orlando Crawfords engaged, too.

Seriously, there are active Native Plant Society chapters in all the counties of Central Florida. And, you have the local water districts that also have resources.

When I do it, I'll do it in stages. Like converting the large flower bed in the center of our front yard and then going from there.

In the Orlando area, I don't see where people have much choice about it--irrigation water is simply going to dry up. What little water is left will probably go to ag and tourist interests.

"Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener..."

Sturg, sounds like the makings for a movie.

Nope...
No labour day here in Holland
Germany celebrates at may 1st

Tony,
Tomorrow is the big night here in Holland.
Madge has not landed yet, but I hear the airport is allready crowded....

Hark! I hear my lady's voice!

Jason you are correct. There is not a Labor Day in The Netherlands per se. But the reason is that April 30th is Queen's Day, which was the birthday of Queen Juliana. When Beatrix became Queen, she kept the official celebration of her birthday on 30 April because it had become so popular.

"Koninginnedag or "Queen's Day" is a national holiday in the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles, and Aruba on 30 April or on 29 April if the 30th is a Sunday. Queen's Day celebrates the birthday of the Queen of the Netherlands and is supposed to be a day of national unity and "togetherness" (Dutch: saamhorigheid). The tradition started on 31 August 1885 on the birthday of Princess Wilhelmina, later Queen Wilhelmina. Since 1949, after the ascension of Queen Juliana, Queen's Day is Queen Juliana's birthday on 30 April. Although Queen Beatrix's birthday is on 31 January, she officially celebrates her birthday on 30 April."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koninginnedag

It is certainly an interesting day to be stuck in Amsterdam. The partying is unbelievable !!!

Here is a fascinating write up about the history of May Day (aka Labour Day) in Europe. In Belgium we celebrate May Day wherein I usually drive up the 35 kilometers to the southern most province of the Netherlands to do some shopping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day

Hi EuroTom,

I've always wanted to ask you if you like living in Europe. Is it a better
life than in the U.S.?

Interesting conversation about xeriscaping. The water agency in Sonoma County has been talking about it for years...but only last year ripped out their own lawn and put in water saving landscaping. In fact, since 1989 they have been giving an award for contributions to xeriscaping.

I am an accidental xeriscaper...I just stopped watering!

Has anyone heard from Carol - I hope she's all right...........

Rita

Warren

Yes, The New Republican Terminator is going to "WOW" the voters.
When Sarah debates Joe "THE MOUTH" BIDEN she will "TERMINATE HIM"

Now don't worry is Sarah becomes the Nations commander and chief, as a hunter is know how to deal with a "RUSSIAN BEAR" who starts to "ROAR", as for the women and child killing terrorists she will "HUNT" them down.

They will not be able to Bomb or sing "ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE BOMBS A CHANCE".

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

What happened to the "Bounce" ?
========================
"Barack Obama didn't get a "bounce" out of the Democratic convention, finding himself statistically tied with John McCain at 49 percent to 48 percent in a CNN/Opinion Research poll conducted Aug. 29-31. The margin of error is 3 percent. The survey covered the period including the day after Obama's acceptance speech and McCain's choice of Sarah Palin. Just before the convention, CNN's poll had the two exactly tied."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/09/cnn-poll-race-still-a-dead-hea.html
========================

"Historically, Democratic Conventions have yielded a 15-16 point bump in the days after the nomination ..."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html

Threadful

Today's blogout on blistersyeahbutchannel

Smearing when I do is justified.
by Kissin' Cuz Kathi

Or is going to be a smear campaign as was done against the Clintons here in South Carolina? And I thought the Repugs owned smear.

Talkleft is deleting comments and banning posters who repeat the outrageous and stupid smears against Palin
such as the ones here on the last thread

Talkleft does the same for all candidates and are BIG supporters of the Obama/Biden ticket

If you cannot do anything but smear your opponent do the rest of us a favor and go elsewhere.

OD, I almost fell for the CNN poll as well until I noticed in the top left corner of the screen that the dates of the polls were August 22-23, before the Dem convention. Blitzer must have an agenda! If you look at other more recent polls, the spread for Obama is anywhere from 4-9% points. That’s a big lead this late in the election. Pays to look at the “fine print”.

Harriet Christian Rants on Fox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5unWHvq9ysI

Smear Queen!

Bry Bry reaches self awareness

Smear EMPRESS, sock drawer.

NO "BOUNCE"
===========

"Barack Obama didn't get a "bounce" -- in a CNN/Opinion Research poll conducted Aug. 29-31."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/gop-sings-the-gustav-blues.html#comment-137218

GHW Bush WON !!!

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/barack_obamas_nobounce_bounce.html

good catch? Ha!
Looks like a forced error.

"Where it matters, electoral votes!

Obama 278 McCain 247 Ties 13"

Wait for NEW numbers from the state polls.

GORDO, Where it rally counts is the compilation of ALL the polls. Again, read the fine print. CNN has consistently put Obama low in the polls. I still know that what I saw last night said “August 22-23” at the top of the screen. And, CNN wants to “keep it interesting” for coverage.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

"Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. So, it's not as if she doesn't understand what's at stake here."

Several years ago I read about a little island in the Archepelego that stretches out towards Russia that serves as a point for some of the Russian and American military/security/immigration people to meet up and trade off whichever idealistic nut case almost succeeding in klling themselves in too small a boat going one way or the other.

Now there is a modern version of Polish fishermen jumping the line to get jobs in America

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE1DC133EF937A3575AC0A96F948260&sec=&spon=

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 49%, McCain 46%".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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"Historically, Democratic Conventions have yielded a 15-16 point bump in the days after the nomination ..."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html

The Palin "baby" controversy gets curiouser and curiouser. The Republicans still haven't offered an absolute denial that the baby Sarah claims is hers, is not Bristol's. I remember "All The President's Men" where "Ben Bradley" asked if the Nixon spokesperson had said their reporting was untrue, after giving a belligerent response. When they hadn't, he knew he had a story. I think there's a story here.

just received this from McCain campaign:

STATEMENT FROM SARAH AND TODD PALIN

For Immediate Release
Contact: Press Office

Monday, September 1, 2008

ARLINGTON, VA -- Today, Sarah and Todd Palin issued this statement:

"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

Ordinarily I'd just let an old thread die, but Bear's remarks, that I just came across, are so egregious that they have me bouncing off the walls. Here's his remark, posted a couple of days ago, and my answers, that I just posted today not realizing that the thread was stale.

As I said, I'm hotter than a firecracker:

Flatus,

I know his decorations and he is fortunate that his are not disparaged in the same way John Kerry's or even Bob Kerrey's have been.

These guys didn't disparage or diminish McCain's history. They just say they are sick of hearing it. They had friends who were POW's who endured concentration camp living. They had friends who endured the living hell that was the Korean War. They told me that you would never hear someone who fought in one of those wars using the fact that they served as the entire basis for their campaign.

In what was always a telling comment about the rift between Vietnam vets and WWII or Korea vets is that the Nam boys had it easy. They never had to fight in the cold and they didn't have to get shot up in order to get home before the war was done.

Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | August 27, 2008 4:07 PM

Bear, tell your buddies to shove it. They're probably wannabes anyhow.

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | September 1, 2008 12:18 PM

Bob Kerrey's disparaged. The Medal of Honor disparaged?

Bear, get a life. Go enlist.

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | September 1, 2008 12:22 PM

Rita,

"My opinion of mo is just that, my opinion, I don't force it on anyone, or expect them to buy into it, and I believe there still is a 1st amendment that guarantees me, my opinion and the freedom to speak it. "

And it is my right to say that if you had said it in my presence I would have said it was a viscious, ugly thing to say about someone you had never met, and said here on the board, it is my opinion that you were viscious and ugly to type those words so I said so.

The truth is bad enough.

Palin opposes sex education and supports abstinence only.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ridiculous lying bitch!!!!
No wonder Palin a republican - lying is one of their core values.

"ARLINGTON, VA -- Today, Sarah and Todd Palin issued this statement:"

Well, that'll teach them to do as parents' of young teen mothers have been doing for years and years.

National Daily Gallup

Obama down 2% but still has a 6% lead.

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Will need to check the battleground polls for any after the Dem convention.

"LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ridiculous lying bitch!!!!
No wonder Palin a republican - lying is one of their core values.

Posted by: lyingsackofshitpalin | September 1, 2008 12:50 PM"

Hey, that's really cool. Nothing like having the courage to post under your normal nym.

Craig, It would sure be nice if you revisited your policy regarding anonymous postings by identity shifters.

"Palin opposes sex education and supports abstinence only."

How's that working out for Palin?

Here is a news article on the preganancy of Palin's daughter

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-confirms-daughters-pregnancy-915378.html

"Such is the risk of being self rightous and thinking you have the right to tell other people how to live their lives!"

Amen! Now, do we have another Amen?

Going to lunch and a movie, but wanted to drop off this well written piece.

McCain’s gamble on Palin is shrewd
'.....Mr McCain has taken an extraordinary risk. It was certainly the act of an unorthodox politician. Was it, though, the act of a reckless and stupid one? I think not"

"The instant reaction among Democrats was astonishment. Quickly that gave way to outrage.,,,,,,The prevailing attitude was a hair's breadth from laughter at the bimbo from a state that does not count."

"The point is simple: for this job, character trumps experience, especially Washington experience, every time. Voters know this even if the experts do not."

"Once again, inexperience and good character pay."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/216cd1d2-77bd-11dd-be24-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

Keep trying. SoetorObama is in BIG trouble. Don't forget the "Bradley" effect.

Just wait until the Repub "TRUTH" machine gets into high gear. Revelations from his "hidden" past will doom the Dems.

Should not have stolen the nomination from Hillary.

Will Reba Mcintyre be singing at the wedding?

Reba's oldest daughter, then high school senior Cheyenne (Joanna García) became pregnant. In the pilot episode, Cheyenne married her baby's father, fellow high-schooler Van Montgomery (Steve Howey), a dim-witted but well-meaning football player. Van moves in with them, as his own parents kicked him out for standing by Cheyenne, and comes to view Reba as a surrogate parent (something Reba is very comfortable with).The show strives to comically but realistically portray the trials and tribulations of family life in modern society.

Monday :: September 01, 2008
Notice to Commenters
By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:15:21 PM EST

This site will not host personal attacks against Sarah Palin, rumors of a personal nature or a discussion of her personal life or that of her children. All such comments will be deleted and repeat offenders banned.

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http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/9/1/131521/5527

BREAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken Starr hired by Obama Campaing to investigate sex life of Palin and the rest of her family.

NEW THREAD

Craig,

In the aftermath of the Edwards story, are MSM looking into whether Palin's fifth baby is actually her daughters?

Jamie; 12:46 pm..................... I appreciate the response since I seem to have offended you. I was very angry yesterday and didn't get crude until I was attacked for supporting one of the other bloggers.

What stunned me more than anything else is that no one wanted to know why I would say such a thing, they just wanted to attack.

Granted, I must deal with the results of my words as with you. You, however, are civil enough to discourse
and as I said, I appreciate that .

Rita