Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Ich bin erste? Ja?

Craig,
Certainly not the headwaters of the Colorado River in the video.
Michelle Obama may be the better speaker of the two. She was indeed masterful as noted. Maybe one of he best "Re BRANDING" events ever performed!!
This also would help to create a new flow in the under current and a distraction from not only the Hillary issue but as well a great over selling of a product.
The family placement is without doubt and without question - however the activities pronounced by Michelle regarding BHO are found in many and these alone do not substantiate the ability to lead and are a far cry from a validation for BHO to be President of the USA.
good family guy -YES - President? Still not

Good Morning everyone,

Wow! That last thread changed fast. I just posted my unscientific critique
of Monday's convention only to discover we have a new thread. It's quite
all right, though.

For all of you fellow Hillary supporters, you must read the article in the "Washington Post" today about Hillary's difficult position in the Dem party right now and also about her speech tomorrow. It's quite touching and insightful!

"Clinton's Thankless Job"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502334.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Good morning, Ping! Funny video, Craig.

I flipped to the convention a couple of times. Michelle seemed solid from what I heard.

Craig,

I had to laugh at your video--looking at that murky swamp and your scary
warning was like watching a trailer for a creepy, B horror movie--

"Beware of the Rift Between Camp Obama and the Clintons--The Thing
that Lurks Below the Surface and Threatens to Suck Up the Democratic
Convention into the Swampy Abyss. . .(frightening music in background).

Clinton can't win tonight. But then, she knows that.

If there's a political job more fraught with peril than running to become
the next commander-in-chief, surely it is being cast as cheerleader-in-chief.

(from "Clinton's Thankless Job")

Listening to Doris Kearns Goodwin on Imus. In effect, she argues it's time for the Clintons to become pragmatic. She's one of my favorites. I simply don't think she understands.

Priceless. And the last line of that article was too, Marcia!

I like Doris, too, Flatus. But keep in mind that behind every appearance, she's still hawking the Lincoln book on rivals working together.

I think the last really great oration I heard at a convention was Mario Cuomo's address in 1984:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624

Uh Oh -- namecalling in the Chicago machine.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124667,CST-NWS-dem25.article

begala coming up on Imus......

prof marcia: Thank you for the Wash Posts' link to "Clinton's Thankless Job", a good article. I note the reference to Joe Biden, the vp nominee -- who is a Washington INSIDER who also voted in favor of the Iraq war - which were the two big attacks BO used against Clinton so effectively. This reminds me of my belief that politics is really a game. I recognized this in Obama from the beginning (and even Clinton). I was a Clinton supporter, based on her past experiences and her known support for policies that I agreed with. Now, my enthusiasm is gone for this election and party politics. I will end up voting for the party whose policies seem to coincide with mine. Also, I find this blog more agreeable to my thinking than any other. Thanks to all.

Patsi, the incident is upsetting on two levels. Obviously, there's the fighting words aspect of it, then it degenerates into, essentially, a tally of who does more deals with Whitey.

Where's MD when we really need his spin.

MSNBC is running a poll the choices are: is Clinton helping herself or helping Obama?

Well, if we could vote for the candidate with the cutest kids, I could vote for BO. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately, that's not the way it works. (So, was "Daddy" in KC or St. Louis, or, does BO now have the ability to be in two places at once?)

Had to laugh at the MoJo/KO smackdown yesterday. Olbermann is drunk with imaginary power. He out-BillOs BillO. KO can't handle a valid, opposing opinion. It's like anti-matter to him; one day he'll just spontaneously combust.

I think I spotted gordo in Colorado; the woman who told Matthews that BO was a registered Muslim when he was living in Indonesia. Who cares? So what if he is currently a "registered" Muslim? Are we now supposed to pick a prez based on religious affiliation? (No. Cute kids, we vote based on cute kids.)

Why do they think Biden was a good veep pick? Sure, he brings a lot of things to the table that BO lacks, but that just spotlights the fact that BO lacks a lot of things. You don't vote for veep, you vote for prez. (Unless Cheney has permanently changed the view of veepship from state funeral attendee to something less superfluous.) Would've been better to have Hil'ry at the top of the ticket instead of someone with a pretty thin resume to hold the highest office in the land.

Nice to see America's uncle Teddy, again. Also nice to see Luke Russert reporting from the floor of the convention.

Tonight will be the begining of the end for the Dems in '08. I hear a giant sucking sound...and it's the DNC.

corey - Like the Democratic Nat'l Convention isn't a ride. Have fun...weather permitting.

If McCain is smart, he'll announce his veep after Labor Day instead of at the end of the Dem convention. Nobody's gonna pay attention over a long holiday.

Good thoughts, Corey. I didn't watch, either. Stinky and I watched the Olympics closing ceremony which we had DVR'd from the day before. I know we have a bunch of good movies on there, too. Will choose one for tonight.

Who even watches these conventions anymore besides the junkies? I remember them being a big deal before the ubiquity of cable TV and before computers were a form of entertainment, but I haven't talked to a single person who actually takes the time to watch the conventions- can't blame them either.

I was only able to see Michelle speak I thought she did an excellent job at conveying her message.

I think many non-Obama supporters are never going to be satisfied, even if a miracle were to occur hard feeling will still prevail.

To me that is really sad....mainly because many will miss out on opportunities that lie ahead. I can only hope that the disgruntled do not give up on their country due to the fact their candidate lost a primary.

re: Kennedy - that family has endured some of the largest heartaches in life, anyone who shows compassion for them should not be mocked.

(jmo)

good morning gang....

Craig.... careful.... I bet there's BIG mosquitos lurking in that there little creek....

I watched the Dem convention on CNN last night.....
Teddy was steady.... and Michelle was swell.....

Craig's observation that it was basically a wasted night was said over and over again by the CNN panel..... the first one to say it was David Gergen.....
James Carville was so upset by it he threatened to get his ass on down to the podium and wake up the crowd by ripping the Republicans a new one..... now THAT would have been entertaining!

I really do want the Dems to recapture the WH..... so here's to crossing my fingers and toes that Rep Jim Leach won't even be in the building tonight and we finally hear why the Repubs don't deserve to be back and why the Dems do.... let's hear some passion!

oh yeah..... I really did enjoy MO's speech.... she did a great job....

As I was leaving work this morning, some woman stopped me and asked me a question. "Do you have a sense of humor?" She asked. "Yes." I answered. "Say something funny!" She answered back. "Right now?" I asked. "Yes!" She said. I was like Obama. No script, I was lost. I tried to tell a quick joke. She didn't get it. Oh well.

Disgruntled due the loss of our candidate??? No, you, the MSM & the entire DNC are missing the point. We don't have any faith in BO as a candidate. Not just that he can't win the gen'l, but that if he did win, he would be an absolute disaster of a prez. Completely un-equipped for the job & who-the-heck knows what he would really do??? e.g., FISA!!!

Blue-
So you're upset because you don't like the two choices for the GE?

Wouldn't that equate to being upset that the candidate of your choice did not win?.....OR....didn't you like any of them?

forgot to mention....

I really was moved by Ted Kennedy......

and I will give a pass to his sail boating video tribute..... it was shot by Ken Burns..... a fellow New Hampshirite......

I really do hope he gets to have his wish of being on the Senate floor when the new president enters in January.....

You need some go to jokes for just such occasions, Corey. I have a few, but they are a little too off-color for this forum. Woulda shut that broad up, though.

corey......but.......why on earth would she ask you that?

UB, I applaud you for faithfully backing Obama after being for Hillary. But, don't expect the same from others. But, don't lose any sleep over it. It's not worth it.

I have been taking a break from TM, getting my children ready for school, I am also on back channel when I have time....school started today for two, and the third I drive to school on Thursday. It's always busy this time of year, plus soccer started last night....

I don't know. One woman was on a hi-lo, the other woman was on a tugger. The one on the tugger asked me the question. I guess when she asked me if I had a sense of humor I should have said, "I work here, don't I?"

What an amazing article.
Nothing too much. And blatantly honest.
Marie nailed it to the T!

Perfection.......

Am sending the link to my friends.....

The last line is the best.

My niece plays soccer, too. Her 10th birthday today. She's gonna take treats to soccer practice today.

Corey ,
I don't lose sleep over it, lol - and I don't expect anyone here to change their minds. I really find the other viewpoints interesting, even if I do not understand the logic.

At this point, when I break it all down I see the election about Democratic platform vs. Republican platform.

That's why it is so clear to me.

Tonight will be the begining of the end for the Dems in '08.
Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 7:30 AM

Corrrection Blue

Tonight is one of the marquee moments to the end of the Dems in 08!

UB, here's something along those lines. I'm a University of Michigan fan, my sister roots for Michigan St. (as does my brother-in-law's entire family). I got mad one day and said to my sister, "I don't know how the hell you can root for Michigan St. and NOT Michigan?!" I haven't been able to get anyone to join me in rooting for Michigan and not MSU. All I can tell you is that family gatherings are no longer held at my sister's house on college football Saturdays.

As I said earlier...I skiped Ted kennedy. Sorry, Ted kennedy has really lost it for me. Not because he backed BO, but the way it was choreographed. No ill will towards teddy, but no heartfelts from this guy anymore. When he came on, I zapped.....
I watched Michelle and she was a straight A+. However I do not like the parade of her children (so young) on stage everytime. If ya trying to be the good parent they should have been at home getting ready for bed...

Tonight I will watch again as HRC will take the podium. I truly hope and pray that she will keep it short and simple. She needs to stay composed and show NO emotion. She is there to do a job, and show that a job can be done under any circumstance. Period!

yeah -football and world leaders....kind of a stretch I'd say.... :)

Keep an eye on Pakistan -

"Militant activity is rampant in parts of northwest Pakistan, though mainly in tribal regions where U.S. officials say insurgents have found safe havens from which to plan attacks on American and NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOiNT_O7MYpG6MzupugzRbGJsi-QD92PP9T81

Sturge - individuals need to make up their own minds.....I would never let a poster on a blog control my actions... but maybe there are othrs who would - I don't know

it's like holding on to anger against someone who has hurt you.....you end up drinking the poison, while the person that inflicted the pain goes on about their life.

ub.....i mean......it's comments on a blog......what actual difference does it make anywhere what people who comment on here advocate.......it's weird.........there is the Actual Commentary from a real newsperson, and then there are the blitherings from all the "little people" who think theyre accomplishing something or other with their "support"? Why be so ugly for nothing? Unless of course, one is just an ugly little person and that's all that can be expected......etc etc

While Obama is technically eligible to run for President, He Is Not Qualified. I am an African-American, a registered Democrat. Above all and first of all, I am an American. You do not put an inexperienced, untested manager in charge of a large Corporation on whose performance, security and welfare all employees depend on. You hope you don't get a rookie at the other end of the phone when you have a problem and need help. You hope you get a real doctor when you go into surgery, not an intern. I question the Media who just don't get it or don't want to see it and those who want to blame Race as the prime or only reason Obama is "underperforming". We vote for our Representatives and Senators for our own wants and needs. We vote for the President of the United States for America.

I don't care one bit whether the Clintons and the Obamas like each other. What I care about is Democrats getting caught up in the manufactured drama and forgetting that there are millions of us whose standard of living has nosedived in the past couple of years, who long to wake up with the hope that this country is finally rid of George W Bush and his excuse for policies. I have little doubt that McCain's turn to the right since his 2000 bid is not temporary, for if he finds himself in office with an "R" next to his name, he is beholden to the right whether he likes it or not.

I don't want the Democrats playing games with my future and my children's future. If they don't get their act together and stomp the opposition in November, I can easily see never voting again.

I tell you, Sturge, life is funny. Some people are the type you either like or you dislike. There's no in between. That's how it is. I'd never wanna go through life like that. I thought that's how my Dad lived his life. People either liked him or didn't like him and he didn't care one way or the other. Last week, my Mom got a written condolence from a former co-worker of my Dad's. Some woman who said she worked alongside my Dad for many years. She said he was a joy to work with and he always talked about how proud he was of his family and how much he loved them. I was surprised. That was something my Dad never expressed to us. I had always wondered if people were nice to my Dad because of my Mom. But, I guess my Dad did touch the lives of some people. The more you know...

I think Hillary will do great...she is a pro....and this is her night to shine.

Everyone have a good day.....

ciao

LOL
BO again doesnt know where he is

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=v61_EH143XA

In which city are you Sir? LOL

also when such ugliness runs on here 24/7 the entire blog takes on the coloration of that little freak......what a waste

Sturge - there is a lot of ugly out there to go around..as well as thoughtfulness... maybe recognizing the glass half full would better serve this type of venue?

I mean the longer negativity is discussed the longer it's power controls comments.

really going...have a great day.

I'll be voting for obama, without question......as I've said before it will be meaningless, unless SC becomes close which it wont.......But I'll vote democrat as I've said before, as I always have since I was old enough to see straight......I just dont like jerks.

I know, Sturge. Sometimes when you read everyone's comments here, you wonder if we are all talking about the same person. Some people show their good side with a few people and their bad side with everyone else.

I mean the longer negativity is discussed the longer it's power controls comments.

--ub

ub....how about the longer the negativity is perpetrated?

Give your old man a break, Corey. My family has the exact same issues, and others in it place too much of a burden on my own father. He was just a dude; had his own problems, and wasn't Superman, or Satan for that matter. Just a dude.

I'm a love me or hate me kind of guy myself, probably in the mold of my old man; apple doesn't fall far from the tree and all that, but I'd rather have people have an opinion on me than be indifferent towards me; the latter is boring, and life is too short. I'm not advocating actively pursuing alienation of others, but tailoring yourself to suit the approval of others is a sure way to drive yourself nuts. Not for nothing.

And yeah, I'd vote for McCain out of spite for some people. The aftermath would be hilarious.

"It's always busy this time of year, plus soccer started last night...."

That really is busy time, UB, speaking as a former soccer and football mom.

Oooh, I must have missed some TM dra'ah-ma. The internet is fun!

I know, Champ. I am glad to hear nice stories about my Dad from people who knew him. I've learned a lot the last two weeks.

Great video, Craig....you are getting good at self taping.

In watching the event, it is certainly a Kennedy convention, not a Clinton convention.

And it will be hard to unifying two large chunks of voters especially when everyone has the special Obama definition of winning a primary as defined by declaring yourself a winner, declining votes of Florida and Michigan and telling your rival to get out of the primary race. Just like the 2000 election....did we really get the winner?

Perhaps that is "why" the return to the Camelot theme of the Kennedys...the bs really worked back in the sixties. The same cheating and fixing went on during the JFK regime, but the reporting was quite different.

I think I'm going to go back to watching movies and old tv shows for awhile.......I'll rejoin yas after the election......

He loves it, Sturg. Virtual fiefdom and all that.

Okay, Jason. Here's a question for you: Who ya got in the US Open?

Wow in the months that I have not watched Morning Load, Mika has become much worse. She truly is Mrs. Load.
And they are still talking about the Clintons.

Oh yeah, on Youtube yesterday I found archived footage yesterday from Stan Laurel's funeral in 1965. Dick Van Dyke gave the eulogy. It was quite moving. I put the video up on my blog.

Well, it seems as if you have recently joined the Dead Dad Club. My condolences. Now you can live your life out of his shadow. It's liberating after the grief subsides. You can make efforts so that the same won't be said of you after your own passing, but it doesn't seem like you're that kind of guy anyway, so you got nothing to worry about. Keep on keepin' on, brah.

The problem with Obama is that he is unelectable and the dems (per the usual) are stuck with a choice that is flawed. And don't you know that the other half of the dem party will make sure Obama is unelectable even if they have to vote for McCain, stay home of write-in a candidate. That is how it looks to me.

Throwing some Biden meat at the Clinton lioness will not do a damn thing for the party.

corey...........that was great.......god bless the clowns......

The media has shifted the narrative from a referendum on the creepiness and failure of the goopers to a referendum on Obama.

In the same way the media failed to accurately report on the swiftboat and to allow the false charges to fester, this continued to harping on the Clintons and not moving on to substantive issues does the same thing.

The media sucks.

You think Obama is unelectable, Wino? Interesting. I think he's the best and most viable presidential candidate in my lifetime; I just don't trust the machine behind him, and his surrogates do more harm than good from my cursory observation of this whole process. Biden's a joke, by the way; always has been.

Corey........just for you.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHV_FO8z5iU

For the reasons, you mention, Champ....it makes him unelectable. I feel he hasn't done a much in his tenure and doesn't have any executive experience...thus relying on his machine for advice and wisdom. Give me a break about his viability. Axelrod is a PR machine and has done an incredible job.

I forgot to mention the Biden meat was from Scranton, PA....that is really supposed to appease the HRC camp. I can't believe they think her supporters are so simple and the Obama supporters are great intellicuals. : )

Champ, is he a creation of that machine? Will he be strong enough to let his own persona reemerge? What, exactly, is that persona? Best indication we have is his daughters. I agree about his surrogates. I like Biden for his outspoken frankness.

Sorry for the typos and mis-spellings...

Yo Crey ....Now ya talkin......
I have (sadly to say) Rafael Nadal and Serena Williams as champions for this year
Although I hope it will be Roger Federer and Venus Williams.....

Champ, why do U use the word "viable"? I think BO is now passed viable. I think he is now in the stage of: can he pull it off, can he bring it home?

Wino,
The arena was indeed some kind of united front. Sadly for DNC, that is only .0075% of the electorate.....

Here's something cool I've found. A website that is a tribute to Stan Laurel. It contains several letters that Stan wrote to various people, many were written after the death of Oliver Hardy in 1957. The link here contains letters Stan wrote after the assasination of JFK. Interesting to read his thoughts.

http://lettersfromstan.com/stan_1963c.html

"Get over it." I am repeatedly admonished!

As a strong Clinton backer I have come to terms with her loss many months ago. I don't sit in a darkened room and opine for what might have been. I was certain since N.H. that the DNC and the MSM would never allow Hillary to be their nominee. N. Carolina and the right honorable J. Clyburn injected race to reinforce my judgement that Hillary's quest was hopeless. The outcome therefore was no surprise to me or many of her supporters.

I AM OVER IT! I get it! But how does that bloody mean I "must" support "The One."
Obama's inexperience, his preening arrogance, his deeply troubling associations, and the stranglehold dependence on far left wing nuts, all buttressed by his incalculable weakness on foreign policy make him the LAST person I could ever support.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Jason...well stated.

I would have been shocked if the broadcast portion of the demcon looked otherwise. Again, it is a skilled PR game. Just like the candidate...a movie set. Great looking set, but there is nothing behind it.

I don't think Biden/Scranton is to appease Clintonites as much as it is to pull in Lackawanna County and NEPA in general. For some reason, politicians love to pander to that area, I suppose because it is a bastion of blue-collar sentiment, although it's glory days are over, like 100 years over. If Scranton goes red, PA is lost.

"death throes"

Champ....I was born in Pennsylvania. As a child, the Scranton area was know as the 'hard coal' country. Many miners were victims of black lung. It sort of became a symbol of the little working man against the large companies (they weren't called corporations last century....it was more of a company-town problem).

Obama...'is all hype and nothing more, money talks, bullshit walks."

Arf.

Born and raised, Wino. I'm even a minor celebrity in the area. Truth be told, as racist as that area can be, I have a hard time seeing it "go red", it is such a Democratic stronghold.

"tailoring yourself to suit the approval of others is a sure way to drive yourself nuts."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/what-disunity-lurks-below.html#comment-133441

Champ, glad to see you here.

"Disgruntled due the loss of our candidate??? No, you, the MSM & the entire DNC are missing the poin"t. Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 8:02 AM

Worth repeating blue.

"I've read back over the posts this morning and I sure hope you do not leave, Sturg. I really enjoy your posts." Blonde

Me too Sturge.

Thanks, Sturge. Goodnight, folks.

"It's nice to be important, but more important to be nice."

As a woman, and a mother, and a wife I could whole heartedly identify with Michelle when she spoke about her husband and her children and their future....I have always felt that bond is one that crosses all barriers...we all want our children to have a better world, we want to end wars, we want the environment clean and so forth. We want men to be loyal, involved and dedicated fathers of solid character.

I can't imagine anyone not giving her credit for saying what we feel in such an eloquent manner.

And she stressed that we need to work for it.....just as I tell my children....Her message was timely, and well received...

A positive opening night for a convention themed "change."

Champ...you did get my attention with the celebrity status. : ) What's up?

Corey...pleasant dreams. After my father died, I kept finding pennies on the side walks, etc. A friend told me that the pennies were from my Dad....pennies from heaven, so to speak.

Maybe the Repugs will dish the dirt on their first night? who knows?

off to the dog park as well...lol.....I am such an Obama-bot

Champ

I have lived in many states in the US and have visited all but Alaska. I find racism rampant throughout the United States...but the "races" actually change positions throughout the country. Cultural differences are at play, I believe. For example, the black hills of South Dakota are filled with American Indian haters. Jokes from that area are often about how many drunken Indians can you get a a car? Yada-yada. I have visited Pine Ridge Indian reservation, wounded knee, etc. To me it is a sad area and I was shocked at the anti-Indian sentiment. More like the movie Thunderheart (Val Kilmer) to me than Dances with Wolves.

Champ.... great to see you again!

Sturg..... but.... but.... if you go who will be here to speak Latin to us....

com' on Dems..... kick some butt tonight!

I guarantee the Republicans will be from the opening bell.....

" money talks"

And "somebody's" money may just have bought your guy the office of POTUS. Hmm....wonder exactly who he'll owe.

yep.....he's sick all right.....and makes the whole place sick......I've never been able to ignore a fat loudmouth, so the best thing for now is to clear out for awhile.....I really enjoy this place and most of the people who continue to post, but many good people dont post because of the toxicity from one locale and new people dont join in for the same reason so it's just the sameold sick sick day after day and no longer any fun......life's too short to dance with fat sickos who live in their mother's basement....lol...........

nullis illigitimati corborundum

"she'll probably be at some backyard barbecue charging 50 bucks a plate to raise money to pay off her debt talking about having a catharsis. "

And you'll be smoking dope and draining your most recent bodily eruption.

The race was never going to be easy
The Worrywart Party
By Eugene Robinson

"Somehow, tentativeness and insecurity have infected a party that ought to be full of confident swagger. It's not that Democrats don't like their odds of winning the presidency and boosting their majorities in both houses of Congress. It's that they are even bothering to calculate and recalculate those odds."

Sturg...

What is latin for pooper scooper?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502336.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR
the link

merdus pickupus?

I knew you would know, Sturg.

"I've never been able to ignore a fat loudmouth, so the best thing for now is to clear out for awhile...."

Sturge, can't you just bypass the posts?

You know who's posts, is what I mean Sturge

rutrum merda

Funny thought, because it fits with an earlier theme from today: Dems have always been too focused on pleasing everyone within their tent, in keeping with their self-perceived liberal open-mindedness. It's to their own detriment. It's politics, you gotta consolidate and kick some ass; there's no place for scruples, at least where elections are concerned. Republicans are much better at that.

Can you translate that Sturge.

"It's politics, you gotta consolidate and kick some ass;"

champ, don't you think that would mean that they need to stop talking about Hillary.

Add me to the group who hopes you don't leave, sturgeone.

rutrum adhibeo merda......

that's getting closer.....lol

Oh yeah, Sturge:

You add a certain je ne sais quoi to the blog, and it seems you enjoy participating. Why let some douchebag whom almost no one likes influence your decision to do so? Just ignore such parties. Bullies thrive on attention and wither without it.

Thanks

Champ....it is "why" the repugs look better at war than the dems. I thought Obama was an anti-war candidate, but he is just an anti-Iraq candidate. He is ready to move the troops to another war. More men will not find Bin Laden....we need the A team, the dirty dozen, the seven samurai....skilled hit team, not a army. It is a mountain war.

nothing dire or permanent......not to worry......I think too much of craig and his site to keep posting crap about the carbuncle

Sturge,
what language are you talking? :-)

'....we need the A team, the dirty dozen, the seven samurai....skilled hit team, not a army."

Blonde, Your way would be a lot more effective.

The war thing is one of the reasons I wanted to see a woman in the White House. At least I hope there will be more women at the top. Mixed genders adds a lot of balance to the decision making.

Sturg is helping me find the latin for pooper scooper...

Mad props to you this morning, Craig, courtesy of Wonkette:

http://wonkette.com/402206/craig-crawford-parties-with-denver-wastoids-perhaps#comments

And you know what a carbuncle is, Sturg! I am impressed...perhaps if you look at our blog offender as a walking carbuncle, it might ease your pain.

'her advocates are doing her more of a disservice perpetuating the rift twixt her and the DNC.'

Actually Champ, I wasn't singularly talking about her advocates.
The Obama group seems unable to stop talking about Hillary too. It's as though, no one can think of much else to talk about, and I don't get it. Maybe when the convention is over, things will change.

No Champ, it is not her advocates...it is parts of the media and the BO campaign who continues this HRC nonsense by not so subtle ways of making her the vocal point in this ordeal

1. Telling the media that HRC wasn´t vetted because she was vetted throughout the primary.... Even my foot knows that is BS
2. Nominating Patti Solis as VP whatevere. Everyone knew then all along, HRC would not be when he made that move

thes ethings will all be USED by the republicans to show what kind of an arrogant and hateful guy BO is. UI said this many times, the rpeublicans will use all the sthings. And whether we like it or not.....It isn´t lies....

Come on....That is why I am saying unity starts with BO and not with DNC, HRC or PUMA or whoever. If Bo wants unity he will get it. He will make it happen...But he doesn´t, he still needs HRC to have airtime, and that is the problem that he is facing now.
People are tired of the hype, the hype is gone.....Now it is back to reality

it is like fashion. This moment it is something new like the True Religion brand jeans, After a little while it was all back to Gucci....

Bin Laden will never be 'got', if he's even still alive. It would only make him more relevant than he already is. He's much more functional as a mythical boogey-man than as martyr.

Well, Champ, we sure have spent a lot in money in lives to find the mythical unicorn of Islam.

BW

Shitus shovelus ?

Jack

Jason...CNN had Caroline Kennedy in an interview with the 'best team in politics' last night. She was asked about Clinton as VP and she said the same inane thing about HRC...."she would be on anyone's shortlist." It is so obvious, this is about the Kennedys and their choice for prez. She was questioned about the vetting of HRC and she was quite obstinate. Really an eye-opener if you can catch those moments via television. Let me look for a link.

"The Seven Stages of Grief"

LOL
That column was cutting edge before june, you're 3 months too late.

Jack

Who is talking about Change nowadays?
Even BO has stopped with this hollow oneliner that somehow captivated the democratic voting mob in de primaries....
But he stopped that horrendous one liner....because he knows that if change will be his mantra in the GE, than the repubs will laugh all the way to the white house.

I bet he will recite MLK a lot on Thursday....The problem is, the hispanics will not allign as yesterday was seen on RTL. All popular latin stars are urging their people to vote republican.

'these things will all be USED by the republicans to show what kind of an arrogant and hateful guy BO' Jason

He needs to get on it now. Show us something we haven't seen yet. Whatever the Republicans do will bounce off a lot better if he can early on say something to and about the voters who are undecided.

Just call him "Caligula", save yourselves the effort.

Sad statement, BW. If they wanted him, they'd have him. Takes less than you might think

biden voted for the war

change that........

Or 3 months too early. Nothing like being pschlogically prepared for the storm.

"The Seven Stages of Grief, a prep manuel for Obamabots."

Jack

Blonde Wino,

Please no link...Thnx anyway.
I have ceased to watch CNN since may and I am glad to say, have kicked the habit. I´ll take your word for it. CNN is off limits for me

That is why when Teddy Kennedy came on yesterday I happily zapped away and watched live tennis.....

caligula translates as "Bootikins" or little boots for the miniature army boots Gaius wore in his father's army camps.......

"The Seven Stages of Grief, a prep manuel for Obamabots."

Like Patsi's dad said when she hit brand new truck - It's worth it to see the look on their faces.

If the boot fits...

plus, it's adorable!

when i think "little boots" bush and his all hat no cattle come to mind........

Jack...pig latin

Ooper-pay ooper-scay

I am so happy that I am here in Holland.

The news is more balanced. I watch NOS and RtL, and BBC 1, 2 and BBC world....
Yesterday they had an amazing analysis om how BO will lose due to the "murder of HRC". I lauged in the beginning because it was deemed to be satirical...but all of a sudden I fell silent.... Everyone is making a mockery out of our elections.
The guy who was a guest on BBC said: Even we (being the british) elected Margaret Thatcher, we knew she was the most qualified. I can´t understand that the Americans throw away their only chance to regain some authority in the world.....

I didn't know dnd was a grief counselor.

Jason, tell the guy on the BBC that I can't understand how the Brits have allowed their nation to become the pre-eminent police state outside of China. Arrogant pseudo-intellectual Limeys. That accent doesn't fool me.

Jason, are you living in Holland permanently or do you plan to come back?

I guess you all read about the second bunch of nuts caught in Denver

First the guy found dead in his hotel room with a large amount of cyanide.

Yesterday a car full skin heads with a loaded rifle, enough meth to keep themselve going for weeks and a yearning to make the history books the only way losers like that can.
LOL, They had the rifle sighted in for 750 yards, they were going to so cranked up that they couldn't hit something at 10ft.

Wonder what else will crawl out of the woodwork

Jack

Wonder what else will crawl out of the woodwork

Jack

That's why I watch, Jack! Some of these folks will make the yearly Darwin list that circulates on email.

"Obama advisor David Plouffe's opinion: Polls don't count"

"David Plouffe, an architect of Barack Obama's surprise ascension to the pinnacle of the Democratic Party, did not look Monday like a fellow under duress although recent polls show his candidate has lost much of the advantage he had over John McCain."

That's because, to hear him tell it, he all but ignores these surveys.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ticket26-2008aug26,0,6234113.story?track=rss

keep forgetting the link

@ Champ....LOL. Still they make sense to me.

@Chloe: I am working on my dissertation here. Planing on coming back next year, but I was offered a job here...have to say: looking at the state the US is in and where it is headed with either of these two candidates; I think I might take the offer....
The only thing I am having trouble with is the dutch weather. YAK.....

Craig,

These little video forays of yours should become a regular feature on Morning Joe. They are so entertaining and and always set up an excellent conversational topic.

As to the current state of the two party system. Both parties will nominate men not qualified to do the job. Therefor I will have to go with the party closest to my political leanings and go Democratic. Of course I also consider Nancy Pelosi a waste of political air space, but after 8 years of Shrubco, it's time for a complete house (and Senate) cleaning.

Jason, Are the people there much different than here.
Just curious, since I've never been there.

Craig...how about a photo of you with the great blue bear?

http://www.9news.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=98260&catid=337

I have no interest in that "stages of grief" BS. Grief was NEVER what I felt. "Grief" is about your loved ones dying for Christ sakes.

This stages of grief crap is ALL because we are talking about a female candidate and many female supporters. It is stupid and sexist, and the male dominated media and female enablers sold people -- even smart ones like dnd -- on that idea. "Oh, the poor dears must be feeling weepy. (maybe it's just their time of the monet, or else menopause...) But they'll come crawling back like a whipped wife. They have no place else to go!!!!!!!"

God a'mighty. Spare me.

Yo Jay, can a brother get a hook-up with a dutch girl? I like 'em tall, blonde, and somewhat bitchy. See what you can do.

Clinton's Thankless Job
"Clinton is a woman who knows how to lose -- to lose any shred of privacy, to lose face, to lose any expectation of being treated with a modicum of respect by the talking heads in the media and now, to lose a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination that she expected to win. As if to heap insult upon injury, the Obama campaign let it be known that it did not for a minute seriously consider Clinton as a running mate, notwithstanding the 18 million votes she earned during the primaries and her demonstrated ability to win over white, working-class voters who remain cool to Obama and are necessary for victory in the fall. Those 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling that the Obama forces conceded could gain a reference in the party's platform are, apparently, just words."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502334.html

Well,
One thing about the Dutch...they are very very very very down to earth. Very common..... Those are the good qualities.

Thanks dog.

How silly for the work of unity to fall at Hillary's feet! It is the job of the Obama campaign to do so and from my perspective, they are pushing the HRC supporters and not reaching out to the group, at all.

As I have posted, this guy claims to work across the aisle, but he cannot reach out to HRC supporters.

The Obama campaign has adopted the steam roller philosophy for the Clinton half of the party.

Champ,
Ya killing me......
But I can hook U up. You can have them in all sizes and shapes....

Ooper-pay, ooper-scay alert.

Jason, I think he's more interested in the "bitchy" part.

as opposed to obama supporters:

http://www.geetarz.org/funniez/pics/head-up-ass.jpg

Lay the groundwork and I'll be out in a few months. I'm good for a beer and a laugh, and I might even name my first-born little dutch child after you.

Sturge...great photo

What can I say, Chloe? I like a girl with some spunk. I'm in suburban NC right now, and "Stepford Wives" abound. It's creepy.

au contraire....that was you......nyah nyah......lol

it's hell when you find yourself rooting for the crohn's.....

another reason to take a break.......

I'm thrilled that Senator Clinton is addressing the Dem Convention on the anniversary of the passage of the 19th amendment.

It is a great way to honor her candidacy, AND the extraordinary courage of the suffragettes.

It will inspire her supporters to stand by her -- by supporting the candidate she endorses.

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"I like a girl with some spunk. I'm in suburban NC right now, and "Stepford Wives" abound. It's creepy."

You actually seem like you'd like a California type. Many there are very outspoken. Call it bitchy if you want. But I know what you mean.

Champ, I´ll keep you posted..... :-)

Champ, can I ask u a serious question.

Do you think that the latino community is able to tip the scale during these GE´s?

Dog,

Good question:

I want to see BO just being himself. Not really reaching out to anyone in particular....It is too late to specifically reach out to Clinton supporters who by now have not taken the bait. Just focus on getting elected POTUS by being yourself and stop trying to be someone else.

DEV

I think the time has past for the split to be mended, sadly. I think the steam roller mentality of the Obama campaign has gone on too long and they had plenty of time to build bridges instead of burning them down. MObama mentioning HRC and Biden as her favorite white people last night shows that lip service is more important than sincerity.

BW
that's exactly what craig said the other day.....

Well, geez, Jason, as much as I'd like to come off as an authority on just about anything, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the Latino community. I would think that any certain demographic group's influence on the outcome of an election is directly proportional to the pandering to them, and I haven't seen much pandering to the Latino community, although I am seriously out of the loop. I don't consume much media at all lately.

For it was MObama, that stated during the primary process "she would have to think long and hard about voting for HRC in November." Now that the situation is reversed, I do not hear Hillary say anything that comes close to that very crappy statement.

This blog seems to neglect the fact that there are millions of former Hillary supporters that now support Barack Obama.

And for many it wasn't an earth shattering event.....it was more of continuing forward and being a part of the political process in the USA.

Jason, I know that question was to Champ, but there is a larger population of Hispanics in the U.S. than African Americans. Many of them are very loyal voters and probably will go Democrat regardless of who's running. IMO

Dog,

Replacing Reid in the Senate would be good. Not sure if she would want a Cabinet post or Supreme Court Appointment. Shepherding legislation for a Democratic President would probably fit best. The added bonus of a great big backward chin stroke in Pelosi's direction would be nice as well.

"she would have to think long and hard about voting for HRC in November."

Blonde, I remember that well. Someone was talking yesterday about other things she said about the Clintons, but that one wasn't mentioned. To me, it's one of the worst things she said.

Champ,
Because I see the trend that the latino´s are being courted "undercover" by John Mc Cain, while BO is vast asleep. Some of the popular stars are alligning behind JmC and it is not encouraging for BO. He is not doing anything with the latino community.
That is why my question is, can they tip the scale, and according to me...they can.....

Chloe

It used to be that elephants never forget...perhaps the same is true for a donkey.

One special moment last night occurred when I was scanning stations and came upon Rachel MADow literally yelling while she participagted in a panel.

All her protestations that she is balanced went out the window as hysteria prevailed.

I've never seen anything like it in American politics. Your candidate is about to be nominated and so many of his supporters lash out and seem a little disturbed.

Perhaps there is an awakening that Senator O is a pretty weak candidate whose victory depends on his equally flawed November oppenent imploding.

Blonde,
Women have pretty long memories too. And you know what they say about a woman scorned.

Well, Cuban Americans are pretty staunch Repubs, from what I've heard, so they me be a factor there. Texas Latinos are probably Dem, but TX is red all the way, and Cali Latinos are probably Dem also, and Cali is firmly blue. So maybe in FL, which could definitely influence the election.

^(very ignorant analysis, I recognize)

Be back in a while. Thanks everyone.

Off to work. I look forward to Hillary speaking tonight.

Have a good day!

Goodbye all.
Almost six here in Holland
Going home

Thnx for a good session..... :-)

Yes...tonight I am sure HRC will deliver tonight. Too bad when passing the baton, the Obama peeps dropped it instead.

Adios for now....I have a day off and I must get some blonde wino work done.

Wait guys! I have many more important things to say! You'll miss it it all!

Fine. Be that way. See ya.

Here's an interesting article...

http://www.slate.com/id/2198397/

Yes...tonight I am sure HRC will deliver tonight. Too bad when passing the baton, the Obama peeps dropped it instead.

Posted by: Blonde wino | August 26, 2008 12:01 PM

LOL
have to respond to that.
Maybe that is why we failed so misearbly during the relays at the olympics. :-)

Fijne avond allemal (Enjoy the evening everyone in dutch)

"This blog seems to neglect the fact that there are millions of former Hillary supporters that now support Barack Obama. "

Obviously. And that's fine. I applaud their decision. So what?

"the latino´s are being courted "undercover" by John Mc Cain, while BO is vast asleep"

Congresswoman Sanchez said earlier today that no one from the Obama campaign had called her to ask for an endorsement or support. She said as a Democrat that of course she would vote for the nominee, but that it would be nice to hear from someone who thought her constituents might be worth courting.

...adding that to my Dutch phrase book. Fijne avond allemal. Got it. Now how does one say, "Hey baby, what do you say we go back to my place and put our tulips together?"

"If Bo wants unity he will get it. He will make it happen...But he doesn´t, he still needs HRC to have airtime"
jason, so true.

sturgeone, please leave us not for the loss of your humorous wit will bring on an avalanche of boredom. ~nunc lento sonitu dicunt, morieris~ (apologies to jd)

Sturgeone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6V3xHuO9-0

Jamie,

The most important influencers in the Latino community aren't performers or even Congressmen and women. It's people like El Cucuy and Amendarez Coello who get people activated, particularly young Latinos. So while Congresswoman Sanchez is important, she's not the end all, be all.

Jamie

At least her sister could have asked her to support Obama
since they split in the primary

Congresswoman Sanchez will get a call since she publicly complained about not getting a call....I wonder if we will get a play by play of the call? Will it be the right person, or will it be someone other than who she thinks should call her?

"she's not the end all, be all. "

Possibly not, but she is a link to the community and a symptom of the way the Obama folks are treating those connections, particularly given the distrust that exists between the two racial groups. It would be nice to see a move toward unity in that area to improve conditions particularly in urban areas.

"This blog seems to neglect the fact that there are millions of former Hillary supporters that now support Barack Obama."

No one is ignoring anything. The majority of Hillary supporters are Democrats of Democratically leaning Independents. Why wouldn't they support Obama?

The Obama supporters seem to feel that if you don't immediately jump up and down in ecstatic joy over the prospect that you aren't being supportive enough.

For me and probably a lot of Clinton supporters, he is the best choice available now that we hope will work out okay. Take what you can get.

"Why wouldn't they support Obama?" -Jamie

Well I guess I may have missed it, but I got the impression that many posts here state why people "will not" or "don't want" to vote Obama.

As Craig noted, the troubles are beginning to bubble to the surface...

"Clinton delegate and Los Angeles women's lawyer Gloria Allred grabbed a napkin from the tables at the California delegation breakfast this morning and wore it as a gag to protest not being allowed to speak at the breakfast.

"I was not elected to be a potted plant," Allred said through her gag, holding up DNC rules that say delegates must vote as they are elected. Californnia has 204 delegates pledged to Hillary Clinton, versus 166 for Obama."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29479

Maybe, the tide is turning....???

Granted I am not here everyday, you tell me.....do you see a change in attitudes about voting Obama?

Allred will most likely get some press out of that stunt.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Feb. 2008

Well, Jamie that is why I asked you. I do not differentiate between regulars and non-regulars....I do not know how they would be. I believe most people comment how they actually feel, and usually when I read I know you and sturge and ET, tony have said you'd be voting Obama...anyone else....I can't name.

how = who

Who had the job of explaining to Michelle that bad mouthing America doesn't garner you any votes? Of course that will piss off the "I HATE AMERICA" crowd. The make-over looks good, but how long will it last? That is what I like about words, once they are out, you can't retract them. The damage has been done, soft words, smiling faces can't change their true nature.

Dontcha love how Teddy is adored? Wasn't he the one who pushed a roll call voted against *incumbent* Jimmy Carter in 1980 and then wouldn't even shake Carter's hand when he lost the roll call (with far fewer delegates that HRC has now).

I know he's an ICON now , but I'm just sayin'

dog - If anything, the MSM has tried to spin things in BO's favor. It wouldn't make much sense for them to spotlight the Hil'ry contingent in an effort to make it look "bigger than it is." If anything, they would like to pretend their was no rift, it was already November & BO was preparing to take the throne in Jan. I think that you may not understand just how big it is.

I wonder if the Hil'ry people will get shouted down tonight or if the DNC can police this shindig?

dog

yes, this and other blogs....plus whenever someone...makes a scene like Allred....it all leads to more coverage of a small contingency. I am more worried about the white male working class voter....

I think Hillary will do well tonight, and her supporters will be very proud of her accomplishments...I think it will end up being a win -win.

If the GFDL model proves correctly, New Orleans is the bulls eye of a force 5 hurricane.

UB -- I said I would vote for Obama -- but I don't have to like it. I'll just close my eyes and think of Clintons!

Sorry Alicia, I most likely missed that , but I do usually enjoy your comments very much.

"Maybe we can take a friendly bet on the final outcome, with a bottle of nice wine at stake."

Some really nice wine tasting rooms in Monterey ... hint hint

i think a couple of you said it much better than i can. but i didn't vote for bho, because he is not ready to be president.
he isn't any more ready now than he was in march.
lofty talk of dreams and hopes just don't impress me.
with the help of a dem house and senate (with backbone) there isn't much harm mccain can do.

that is horrible about the hurricane...

Dog

At this stage they are predicting a 3 for Gustav by the time it enters the Gulf of Mexico. That is a lot of warm water before land fall.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

dog

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/144112.shtml?5day#contents

the 5 day cone has Gustaf crossing cuba in to the center of the gulf. It could pick up heat in the gulf and and hit the Gulf coast
And yea NO is a good probability for the center.
Jack

Obama Supporters you are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! You talk trash about The Clintons day in and day out, but yet you want them to do everything in the power to bring this party together. Well I've got news for you, you can't have it both ways. Why, in the hell would I want to vote for a man, that brings out this much hatred in people's hearts? What do you think Obama, would say if he read your remarks? Do you think for one minute he would say, " GOOD JOB TRASHING THE CLINTONS< SO I CAN'T WIN THE WHITE HOUSE IN NOV.? No I think he would probably tell you that he needs both of The Clintons and their supporters, so knock of the crap and get over yourselves. you just make us want to tell him and you good-luck trying to do this without us. you have the nerve to call us sore-losers, but at the same time you are the sorest bunch of winners I have every seen.

"that is horrible about the hurricane"

that is part of the adventure,
It could just as easily hit houston too.

Jack

Don't ever forget this ladies, unless BHO loses this election, you will never see in your lifetime a female POTUS from your side of the aisle. HRC has become a victim of Affirmative Action DNC, MSM, Team BHO style. This is nothing anymore complicated that placing the inferior person, BHO, ahead of the more qualified person, HRC, for PC reasons. HRC supporters should use 2012 as their rallying cry. In the vernacular, you have been screwed royally.

Fry -- Words sometimes fail us -- and words are not always reliable indicators of how someone really feels. In my day I've said things that did not truly reflect what I meant to say. In some cases, I was able to go back and clarify my meaning. In some other painfully-learned instances, people were only able to hear my first inarticulate expressions -- words that I wasn't able to take back because the listener refused to allow me to clarify. In a lot of those cases people just chose to think the worst of me -- which just showed they didn't really know me.

It happens to all of us. Joe Biden has said some stupid things, Teddy couldn't even tell an interviewer in 1980 why he wanted to be President, Bill Clinton has said some things that came out twisted. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, Michelle Obama included.

Lampe

Listen to Obama not the supporter.

An interesting inclusion in the speech in KC was a contrast of Bush years with the Clinton years. He is giving Clinton his do.

Dog you ask what Clinton supporters wanted, that is one thing I have looked for.

Jack

I think there will be a Democratic woman president...long before the goopers put up a woman. And it will be sooner rather than later. There are lots of women with "the right stuff" coming up through the legislative and executive branches these days.

It will happen faster if we can get some big changes in the attitudes of the loser media types who are threatened by accomplished women.(Tweety)

Alicia Knight,

Maybe. But what I find odd is this Michelle was whisked away for a period of time, and like a new butterfly emerging from the cocoon we now have a new Michelle.

KGC -- I totally agree. Keep hope alive!

~Alicia

Fry

John McCain may be older with a longer stint in the senate, but his weaknesses are substantial. He is where we is because the Republicans needed to throw a loser at the voters in hopes of developing a stronger bench by 2012. Since that is the case, it makes no real sense to throw a vote in that direction.

" Now if she doesn't do the right thing tonight she will end up becoming the most hated woman in the history of the party, what irony. "

Only by fools and a-holes.

"maybe reading this blog has lead some of our nation's outstanding journalists to conclude the "support Hillary/reject Obama" contingent is bigger than it is?"

ROFL! I'm so sure that Andrea Mitchell grabs her coffee first thing in the morning to see what we have to say.

KGC,

If not 2012, then you are looking at another 20 years plus. In 20 years a number of you will have departed this world.

What I have said is the truth, you may not like hearing it, you may not want to admit it, but it is the truth. Affirmative Action won out, the more qualified person got shoved to the side for PC reasons. Had the MSM not kept the Rev. Wright and other like stories under warps for 18 months, HRC would be the D nominee. As everyone here knows I am not a D, I am not even a Clinton lover, but what right is right and HRC has been wronged.

Alicia, saying you'll vote for O doesn't count. You have to wallow, beg forgiveness and wear a hair shirt.

Fry -- Nothing unusual, really. When MO1.1 s was first rolled out, she was not ready to shine in prime time -- she needed a revamp and a restart. Now she's been fine-tuned and relaunched. MO1.2

Everyone in politics who's had a bad showing usually goes through a period of quietude before re-emerging in a new light. Most of the the time they do better because they've learned a lesson or two or three. Bill Clinton got a second chance after Monicagate, Joe Biden got a second chance after plagiarism-gate, Teddy got a second chance after Chappaquidic. Doesn't Michelle get a second chance too?

Fry
Nice of you to be concerned. (NOT)
The list of Democratic women with presidential ambition grows larger everyday. It won't be 20 years. But it will be 200 years before the Republicans put up a woman.

Affirmative action has nothing to do with Obama's winning the nomination.

You don't give a ra about HIllary Clinton.

Fry ,
I also believe that we may see a female president. Hillary has taught many young women that it is possible, and they think nothing about seeking a career in previously male dominated positions (POTUS now included). She gained support from both male and female voters. Hillary has already succeeded in changing our country even if she didn't win...and that is a good thing.

"Alicia Kennedy got lucky, Carter lost. "

I love Teddy Kennedy. But he ensured Carter's loss.

jamie,

"John McCain may be older with a longer stint in the senate"

Longer than who, certainly not Joe Biden. But I can understand why you don't see this as a big deal. You have come to accept being rolled over.

"In 20 years a number of you will have departed this world.In 20 years a number of you will have departed this world."

I think we will all still be here. Although we live less well, we live longer.

Patsi....
I was thinking more along the lines that if "journalists" have to get a feel for the voting public by reading this blog, then their degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on......

UB..... I don't think this election is going to be decided on which party platform one supports..... platforms are for nerds and junkies such as us.... I honestly think the average voter will decide whom to vote for based on which man they see fit for being the leader of this country..... at the moment that seems to be a toss-up.....
as for who I intend to vote for..... I've never voted for a Republican for president and I'm not changing that come this November.....

it's a good thing she changed the country...just want to be clear...

"Don't ever forget this ladies, unless BHO loses this election, you will never see in your lifetime a female POTUS from your side of the aisle."

Now, now,Fry. I don't want to beat beat over the head with Roe OR whether I'll live to see a woman president. With some of the female-instigated sexism I've witnessed lately, I doubt it'll happen anyway.

"No she doesn't Patsi. And if you think that's the case, you are sadly misinformed."

Oops, to wearing the hair shirt, I should have added "agree to listen to droning 'lectures' ad nauseum about our moral unfitness."

There are many people that vote by likability alone forget facts.......just people I know tend to be more pragmatic....I guess I was referring to those voters who attempt to make an informed vote.

Women in power is very scary to some people.

Spoken like a true bigot.

New Thread

jamie,

But the truth is, which you can not deny, HRC is the more qualified candidate. And she will be sitting on the sidelines because you, Hillary supporters, let the DNC, MSM and Team BHO roll you. You all talk a good game, but in reality your gutless to do anything about it. So once again the female has been kicked to the curb. Helloooo

Craig,

Please someone look at the polls since BO announced Biden, FLA Mccain up by 6, Gallup BO lost 6 points to Mccain, McCain is now up by 2 for first time lead ever.
Wonder what it cound be that is moving voters toward Mccain???? Lets see could it be that our beloved Hillary is not on the ticket and BO never never even considerd her for VP. Looks like me and my wife will be voting Republican for first time in our life.

"Everyone in politics who's had a bad showing usually goes through a period of quietude before re-emerging in a new light."

Come-on Alicia, you and I both know the absence is while the post-lobotomy bruising dissipates.

" "first time I was proud of my country" "

All the right wing outlets cut out the "really" in front of proud. Could it have been just an expression of faith restored and pleasant surprise that the husband she loved had achieved so much.

Hardly grounds for eviction as a subversive of some sort.

UB, earlier on you were frothing over Allred's rebellion at the California breakfast.

Is there any truth to what she says about the rules and the delegates obligation to follow them?

"Affirmative action has nothing to do with Obama's winning the nomination"

KGC

It has a little to do with it in that he got the backing to run sooner with less experience than would be the norm, but he made the race and won on his own. Got lots of help, but he attracted the votes. As with any affirmative action. It got the foot in the door. After that he had to make things happen.

Thanks mel7 for the report. The party hasn't even started. Expect commercials that put BO out by Sept's end. I won't be voting for Pres. I'll vote for the dem senator in my state but GA WILL be RED, and the dems are tripping if they think otherwise.

FD

I didn't have a lot of respect for McCain way back when he was operating in the Maverick edition with the whole Straight Talk Express. Straight Talk only works when you are saying something worth hearing.

"Claire will probably run in 2016"

Now THAT would make me vote Republican.

DITTO Jamie. That woman is THE most annoying head anywhere.

UB -- I vote by party. As I said, I am voting for Obama. I'm doing so largely because I'm a Democrat -- one who has taken a loyalty oath to hold elected membership in the Democratic Committee. So I'm making a vote based on party membership -- not by thinking it all through. If I were to vote by thinking it all through, I would likely vote for Cynthia McKinney.

Flatus -- According to some state laws, pledged delegates elected to represent primary voters are required by law to vote for the pledged candidate on the first ballot.

At least 12 states have binding voter laws:
Arizona, California, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia.

Here is wording from the state laws biding delegates votes to the candidates to whom they are pledged:

"Each person selected as a delegate shall sign a pledge that the person will continue to support at the national convention the candidate for President of the United States the person is selected as favoring until 2 convention nominating ballots have been taken." OR

"Each political party shall, on the first ballot at its national convention, cast this Commonwealth's vote for the candidates as determined by the primary or party caucus." KY

"Each delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention of his political party shall cast their vote on all ballots for the candidate who received this state's vote." OK

"Each delegate to the national convention shall use his best efforts at the convention for the party's presidential nominee candidate who received the greatest number of votes in the presidential preference election until the candidate is nominated for the office of president of the United States by the convention." AZ

"As a delegate to the national convention of the Democratic Party, I pledge myself to vote on the first ballot for the nomination of president by the Democratic Party as required by Section 1-8-60 NMSA 1978." NM

"Delegates and alternates shall be bound to vote on the first ballot at the national convention for the candidate receiving the most votes in the primary." VA

"The delegates to the national conventions shall be bound by the results of the preferential presidential primary for the first two (2) ballots and shall vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged." TN

In an Opinion now appended to his state's binding vote law, the words of the Attorney General of GA reach the heart of similar laws enacted in all of these states: "This section reflects the legitimate interest of the state in insuring orderliness in the electoral process, and it provides a means of presenting the political preferences of the people of this state to a political party." GA

Alicia-
I just don't understand. The oaths I've taken are all based on some superior foundation of principles. Loyalty is of course expected, but only so long as that loyalty supports core values.

So, is loyalty to a political organization intended to be responsive to fundamental beliefs? Or to the cabal du jour.

For all the Obama supporters who have complained that Sen. Clinton has not done enough to support Sen. Obama, you have obviously missed the countless fundraisers and events that she has been to at his bequest since June. New Mexico, Nevada and Florida to name a few. She went and she praised Sen. Obama and told anyone who would listen to support him for President. With very little acknowledment from his campaign and supporters she has done more than any other surregate in the past two months. Also many of you Sen. Clinton critics have forgotten that Sen. Clinton also lost two close friends in recent weeks to tragic ends. The democratic chairman of Arkansas Gwatney and Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones both were great friends of Senator Clinton. But she continued to make campaign appearances for Sen. Obama.

Tonight she will probably deliver a great speech which will serve as a rallying cry to her supporters to come home to support Sen. Obama. Even though some of her supporters won't support him no matter what she says because the reason they supported her was because they did not support him. Regardless if even one of her supporters switches support to McCain, she will be blamed for it. They have set her up to be blamed for his loss and be given no credit if he won.

Tonight I will applaud my candidate and hope that I have the opportunity to vote for her again in the future. In Nov. I will cast my vote for Sen. Obama. If he loses it will not be because of Sen. Clinton and if he wins, it will not be because of Sen. Clinton. He is totally responsible for the result.

Alicia!

Thanks so much for your research re voting obligations of delegates. I'm both cheered and angered.

Dog - that was a nice apology. I don't even know what it was about so no side to pick, I just like a straight out explanation and apology - one of the most adult and non-vain things I've seen here.

I think both Clintons want to beat Bush and McCain, so they don't have to toady to have plenty to say. I think they're going to concentrate on repubs.

I taped Foyle's War Sunday and intend to watch it tonight.

Sturge - as I understand it, you will be back after the convention - right? If you do leave, it will be a case of
"All that is necessary for evil to survive is for good men to do nothing."

Actually, Sturge, why don't you post some of your pianner playing for us here to listen to???????

Sturgeone;.......... Don't go.... a voice of reason.........

Jason; 10:43 am ....... How very true about women who have been elected - even Chile. We're so far behind, we think we're first............

Spike; 12:49 pm ........... Rules don't matter to this DNC, they just make'em up as they need'em............

Lampe; 1:22 pm ............ You can't talk logic or reason to idol worshippers, they have no reason left.............

James Carville was totally right yesterday, this is supposed to be a political convention, not a love fest.

Since Hillary is not the first lady of the campaign anymore, and the attacking and support of BO is up to MO, are they going to turn her back from the Stepford wife they made her into, to the pit bull that she truly is??????......

BTW.............. Any odds on whether Pelosi throws her priest and church under the bus the way obama did???
The letter from the church requires an apology and if she doesn't like the church dogma, she was welcome to find another faith..................................So much for garnering the Catholic vote.............

Rita