What Disunity Lurks Below?

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Produced by CQ's Andrew Satter

Craig's Webcam Edition ponders the disconnect between public claims of unity among Democrats and private words about an Obama-Clinton rift.

 

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  1. Ich bin erste? Ja?

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:03 AM

  2. Craig,
    Certainly not the headwaters of the Colorado River in the video.
    Michelle Obama may be the better speaker of the two. She was indeed masterful as noted. Maybe one of he best "Re BRANDING" events ever performed!!
    This also would help to create a new flow in the under current and a distraction from not only the Hillary issue but as well a great over selling of a product.
    The family placement is without doubt and without question - however the activities pronounced by Michelle regarding BHO are found in many and these alone do not substantiate the ability to lead and are a far cry from a validation for BHO to be President of the USA.
    good family guy -YES - President? Still not

    Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:17 AM

  3. Good Morning everyone,

    Wow! That last thread changed fast. I just posted my unscientific critique
    of Monday's convention only to discover we have a new thread. It's quite
    all right, though.

    For all of you fellow Hillary supporters, you must read the article in the "Washington Post" today about Hillary's difficult position in the Dem party right now and also about her speech tomorrow. It's quite touching and insightful!

    "Clinton's Thankless Job"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502334.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:23 AM

  4. Good morning, Ping! Funny video, Craig.

    I flipped to the convention a couple of times. Michelle seemed solid from what I heard.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:29 AM

  5. Craig,

    I had to laugh at your video--looking at that murky swamp and your scary
    warning was like watching a trailer for a creepy, B horror movie--

    "Beware of the Rift Between Camp Obama and the Clintons--The Thing
    that Lurks Below the Surface and Threatens to Suck Up the Democratic
    Convention into the Swampy Abyss. . .(frightening music in background).

    Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:33 AM

  6. Clinton can't win tonight. But then, she knows that.

    If there's a political job more fraught with peril than running to become
    the next commander-in-chief, surely it is being cast as cheerleader-in-chief.

    (from "Clinton's Thankless Job")

    Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:42 AM

  7. Listening to Doris Kearns Goodwin on Imus. In effect, she argues it's time for the Clintons to become pragmatic. She's one of my favorites. I simply don't think she understands.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:51 AM

  8. Priceless. And the last line of that article was too, Marcia!

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:51 AM

  9. I like Doris, too, Flatus. But keep in mind that behind every appearance, she's still hawking the Lincoln book on rivals working together.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 6:53 AM

  10. I think the last really great oration I heard at a convention was Mario Cuomo's address in 1984:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:00 AM

  11. Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:00 AM

  12. begala coming up on Imus......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 7:07 AM

  13. prof marcia: Thank you for the Wash Posts' link to "Clinton's Thankless Job", a good article. I note the reference to Joe Biden, the vp nominee -- who is a Washington INSIDER who also voted in favor of the Iraq war - which were the two big attacks BO used against Clinton so effectively. This reminds me of my belief that politics is really a game. I recognized this in Obama from the beginning (and even Clinton). I was a Clinton supporter, based on her past experiences and her known support for policies that I agreed with. Now, my enthusiasm is gone for this election and party politics. I will end up voting for the party whose policies seem to coincide with mine. Also, I find this blog more agreeable to my thinking than any other. Thanks to all.

    Posted by: theresa43 | August 26, 2008 7:11 AM

  14. Patsi, the incident is upsetting on two levels. Obviously, there's the fighting words aspect of it, then it degenerates into, essentially, a tally of who does more deals with Whitey.

    Where's MD when we really need his spin.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:15 AM

  15. MSNBC is running a poll the choices are: is Clinton helping herself or helping Obama?

    Posted by: sock drawer open | August 26, 2008 7:28 AM

  16. Well, if we could vote for the candidate with the cutest kids, I could vote for BO. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately, that's not the way it works. (So, was "Daddy" in KC or St. Louis, or, does BO now have the ability to be in two places at once?)

    Had to laugh at the MoJo/KO smackdown yesterday. Olbermann is drunk with imaginary power. He out-BillOs BillO. KO can't handle a valid, opposing opinion. It's like anti-matter to him; one day he'll just spontaneously combust.

    I think I spotted gordo in Colorado; the woman who told Matthews that BO was a registered Muslim when he was living in Indonesia. Who cares? So what if he is currently a "registered" Muslim? Are we now supposed to pick a prez based on religious affiliation? (No. Cute kids, we vote based on cute kids.)

    Why do they think Biden was a good veep pick? Sure, he brings a lot of things to the table that BO lacks, but that just spotlights the fact that BO lacks a lot of things. You don't vote for veep, you vote for prez. (Unless Cheney has permanently changed the view of veepship from state funeral attendee to something less superfluous.) Would've been better to have Hil'ry at the top of the ticket instead of someone with a pretty thin resume to hold the highest office in the land.

    Nice to see America's uncle Teddy, again. Also nice to see Luke Russert reporting from the floor of the convention.

    Tonight will be the begining of the end for the Dems in '08. I hear a giant sucking sound...and it's the DNC.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 7:30 AM

  17. Belated thanks to Bear for his comments last night. I didn't watch the convention last night. Don't plan to. May go to an amusement park (weather permitting) on Thursday and ride some roller coasters. I knew we were in trouble last night when Ted Kennedy spoke and Brian's post here afterwards said, "God bless him." When an agnostic says that, we are in trouble.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:43 AM

  18. corey - Like the Democratic Nat'l Convention isn't a ride. Have fun...weather permitting.

    If McCain is smart, he'll announce his veep after Labor Day instead of at the end of the Dem convention. Nobody's gonna pay attention over a long holiday.

    Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 7:49 AM

  19. Good thoughts, Corey. I didn't watch, either. Stinky and I watched the Olympics closing ceremony which we had DVR'd from the day before. I know we have a bunch of good movies on there, too. Will choose one for tonight.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:51 AM

  20. Who even watches these conventions anymore besides the junkies? I remember them being a big deal before the ubiquity of cable TV and before computers were a form of entertainment, but I haven't talked to a single person who actually takes the time to watch the conventions- can't blame them either.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 7:54 AM

  21. I was only able to see Michelle speak I thought she did an excellent job at conveying her message.

    I think many non-Obama supporters are never going to be satisfied, even if a miracle were to occur hard feeling will still prevail.

    To me that is really sad....mainly because many will miss out on opportunities that lie ahead. I can only hope that the disgruntled do not give up on their country due to the fact their candidate lost a primary.

    re: Kennedy - that family has endured some of the largest heartaches in life, anyone who shows compassion for them should not be mocked.

    (jmo)

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:59 AM

  22. good morning gang....

    Craig.... careful.... I bet there's BIG mosquitos lurking in that there little creek....

    I watched the Dem convention on CNN last night.....
    Teddy was steady.... and Michelle was swell.....

    Craig's observation that it was basically a wasted night was said over and over again by the CNN panel..... the first one to say it was David Gergen.....
    James Carville was so upset by it he threatened to get his ass on down to the podium and wake up the crowd by ripping the Republicans a new one..... now THAT would have been entertaining!

    I really do want the Dems to recapture the WH..... so here's to crossing my fingers and toes that Rep Jim Leach won't even be in the building tonight and we finally hear why the Repubs don't deserve to be back and why the Dems do.... let's hear some passion!

    oh yeah..... I really did enjoy MO's speech.... she did a great job....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 7:59 AM

  23. As I was leaving work this morning, some woman stopped me and asked me a question. "Do you have a sense of humor?" She asked. "Yes." I answered. "Say something funny!" She answered back. "Right now?" I asked. "Yes!" She said. I was like Obama. No script, I was lost. I tried to tell a quick joke. She didn't get it. Oh well.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:00 AM

  24. Disgruntled due the loss of our candidate??? No, you, the MSM & the entire DNC are missing the point. We don't have any faith in BO as a candidate. Not just that he can't win the gen'l, but that if he did win, he would be an absolute disaster of a prez. Completely un-equipped for the job & who-the-heck knows what he would really do??? e.g., FISA!!!

    Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 8:02 AM

  25. Blue-
    So you're upset because you don't like the two choices for the GE?

    Wouldn't that equate to being upset that the candidate of your choice did not win?.....OR....didn't you like any of them?

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:05 AM

  26. forgot to mention....

    I really was moved by Ted Kennedy......

    and I will give a pass to his sail boating video tribute..... it was shot by Ken Burns..... a fellow New Hampshirite......

    I really do hope he gets to have his wish of being on the Senate floor when the new president enters in January.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:05 AM

  27. UB, the mocking comes from the fact that it is out of character for him to say "God Bless". Sometimes when people say things that seem out of character for them the reaction is "Where did that come from?" It would be nice to see more of that. My Father was that way. Never really showed much compassion for others, but he would occasionally tell me about a show he watched on tv and say to me, "I ain't kidding you, I was crying while watching that show!" By the way, where have you been, UB? At the BackChannel?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:10 AM

  28. You need some go to jokes for just such occasions, Corey. I have a few, but they are a little too off-color for this forum. Woulda shut that broad up, though.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 8:10 AM

  29. corey......but.......why on earth would she ask you that?

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:12 AM

  30. UB, I applaud you for faithfully backing Obama after being for Hillary. But, don't expect the same from others. But, don't lose any sleep over it. It's not worth it.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:12 AM

  31. I have been taking a break from TM, getting my children ready for school, I am also on back channel when I have time....school started today for two, and the third I drive to school on Thursday. It's always busy this time of year, plus soccer started last night....

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:12 AM

  32. I don't know. One woman was on a hi-lo, the other woman was on a tugger. The one on the tugger asked me the question. I guess when she asked me if I had a sense of humor I should have said, "I work here, don't I?"

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:14 AM

  33. What an amazing article.
    Nothing too much. And blatantly honest.
    Marie nailed it to the T!

    Perfection.......

    Am sending the link to my friends.....

    The last line is the best.

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 8:14 AM

  34. My niece plays soccer, too. Her 10th birthday today. She's gonna take treats to soccer practice today.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:15 AM

  35. Corey ,
    I don't lose sleep over it, lol - and I don't expect anyone here to change their minds. I really find the other viewpoints interesting, even if I do not understand the logic.

    At this point, when I break it all down I see the election about Democratic platform vs. Republican platform.

    That's why it is so clear to me.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:16 AM

  36. Tonight will be the begining of the end for the Dems in '08.
    Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 7:30 AM

    Corrrection Blue

    Tonight is one of the marquee moments to the end of the Dems in 08!

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 8:16 AM

  37. UB, here's something along those lines. I'm a University of Michigan fan, my sister roots for Michigan St. (as does my brother-in-law's entire family). I got mad one day and said to my sister, "I don't know how the hell you can root for Michigan St. and NOT Michigan?!" I haven't been able to get anyone to join me in rooting for Michigan and not MSU. All I can tell you is that family gatherings are no longer held at my sister's house on college football Saturdays.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:22 AM

  38. As I said earlier...I skiped Ted kennedy. Sorry, Ted kennedy has really lost it for me. Not because he backed BO, but the way it was choreographed. No ill will towards teddy, but no heartfelts from this guy anymore. When he came on, I zapped.....
    I watched Michelle and she was a straight A+. However I do not like the parade of her children (so young) on stage everytime. If ya trying to be the good parent they should have been at home getting ready for bed...

    Tonight I will watch again as HRC will take the podium. I truly hope and pray that she will keep it short and simple. She needs to stay composed and show NO emotion. She is there to do a job, and show that a job can be done under any circumstance. Period!

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 8:23 AM

  39. UB.......I'll tell you one thing.......it wouldnt matter who briannyc supported......a great majority of those exposed to his blitherings would actively root for the other guy..........

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:24 AM

  40. yeah -football and world leaders....kind of a stretch I'd say.... :)

    Keep an eye on Pakistan -

    "Militant activity is rampant in parts of northwest Pakistan, though mainly in tribal regions where U.S. officials say insurgents have found safe havens from which to plan attacks on American and NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan."

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOiNT_O7MYpG6MzupugzRbGJsi-QD92PP9T81

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:26 AM

  41. Sturge - individuals need to make up their own minds.....I would never let a poster on a blog control my actions... but maybe there are othrs who would - I don't know

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:28 AM

  42. it's like holding on to anger against someone who has hurt you.....you end up drinking the poison, while the person that inflicted the pain goes on about their life.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:30 AM

  43. ub.....i mean......it's comments on a blog......what actual difference does it make anywhere what people who comment on here advocate.......it's weird.........there is the Actual Commentary from a real newsperson, and then there are the blitherings from all the "little people" who think theyre accomplishing something or other with their "support"? Why be so ugly for nothing? Unless of course, one is just an ugly little person and that's all that can be expected......etc etc

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:31 AM

  44. While Obama is technically eligible to run for President, He Is Not Qualified. I am an African-American, a registered Democrat. Above all and first of all, I am an American. You do not put an inexperienced, untested manager in charge of a large Corporation on whose performance, security and welfare all employees depend on. You hope you don't get a rookie at the other end of the phone when you have a problem and need help. You hope you get a real doctor when you go into surgery, not an intern. I question the Media who just don't get it or don't want to see it and those who want to blame Race as the prime or only reason Obama is "underperforming". We vote for our Representatives and Senators for our own wants and needs. We vote for the President of the United States for America.

    Posted by: John Hogue | August 26, 2008 8:31 AM

  45. I don't care one bit whether the Clintons and the Obamas like each other. What I care about is Democrats getting caught up in the manufactured drama and forgetting that there are millions of us whose standard of living has nosedived in the past couple of years, who long to wake up with the hope that this country is finally rid of George W Bush and his excuse for policies. I have little doubt that McCain's turn to the right since his 2000 bid is not temporary, for if he finds himself in office with an "R" next to his name, he is beholden to the right whether he likes it or not.

    I don't want the Democrats playing games with my future and my children's future. If they don't get their act together and stomp the opposition in November, I can easily see never voting again.

    Posted by: Mary Kitt-Neel Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:32 AM

  46. I tell you, Sturge, life is funny. Some people are the type you either like or you dislike. There's no in between. That's how it is. I'd never wanna go through life like that. I thought that's how my Dad lived his life. People either liked him or didn't like him and he didn't care one way or the other. Last week, my Mom got a written condolence from a former co-worker of my Dad's. Some woman who said she worked alongside my Dad for many years. She said he was a joy to work with and he always talked about how proud he was of his family and how much he loved them. I was surprised. That was something my Dad never expressed to us. I had always wondered if people were nice to my Dad because of my Mom. But, I guess my Dad did touch the lives of some people. The more you know...

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:34 AM

  47. I think Hillary will do great...she is a pro....and this is her night to shine.

    Everyone have a good day.....

    ciao

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:35 AM

  48. LOL
    BO again doesnt know where he is

    http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=v61_EH143XA

    In which city are you Sir? LOL

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 8:35 AM

  49. corey.......yes, true......and it's easily seen that many on here condone and approve of brian and his tactics....and maybe he does some actual good somewhere, who knows....... doesn't mitigate such ugliness, the way my opinion runs.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:38 AM

  50. also when such ugliness runs on here 24/7 the entire blog takes on the coloration of that little freak......what a waste

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:39 AM

  51. Sturge - there is a lot of ugly out there to go around..as well as thoughtfulness... maybe recognizing the glass half full would better serve this type of venue?

    I mean the longer negativity is discussed the longer it's power controls comments.

    really going...have a great day.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:41 AM

  52. I'll be voting for obama, without question......as I've said before it will be meaningless, unless SC becomes close which it wont.......But I'll vote democrat as I've said before, as I always have since I was old enough to see straight......I just dont like jerks.

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:42 AM

  53. I know, Sturge. Sometimes when you read everyone's comments here, you wonder if we are all talking about the same person. Some people show their good side with a few people and their bad side with everyone else.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:44 AM

  54. I mean the longer negativity is discussed the longer it's power controls comments.

    --ub

    ub....how about the longer the negativity is perpetrated?

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:46 AM

  55. But can we please stop talking about Brian....
    Come on guys, we are adults. if an adult does things on purpose to upset you, just neglect that individual.
    Brian doesn´t get to me, even when and if he says the ugliest things about me.
    People who become ugly and nasty are pityful....If you pay attention you get the same tactics...

    Move on, let those people be....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 8:47 AM

  56. Give your old man a break, Corey. My family has the exact same issues, and others in it place too much of a burden on my own father. He was just a dude; had his own problems, and wasn't Superman, or Satan for that matter. Just a dude.

    I'm a love me or hate me kind of guy myself, probably in the mold of my old man; apple doesn't fall far from the tree and all that, but I'd rather have people have an opinion on me than be indifferent towards me; the latter is boring, and life is too short. I'm not advocating actively pursuing alienation of others, but tailoring yourself to suit the approval of others is a sure way to drive yourself nuts. Not for nothing.

    And yeah, I'd vote for McCain out of spite for some people. The aftermath would be hilarious.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 8:47 AM

  57. jason.....that's what I'm talking about......when he's here constantly, seven days, 24 hours, posting his drivel, he's here even when he's not here.....the entire blog becomes Brian's Trail Mix.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:50 AM

  58. "It's always busy this time of year, plus soccer started last night...."

    That really is busy time, UB, speaking as a former soccer and football mom.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:51 AM

  59. Oooh, I must have missed some TM dra'ah-ma. The internet is fun!

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 8:51 AM

  60. I know, Champ. I am glad to hear nice stories about my Dad from people who knew him. I've learned a lot the last two weeks.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:51 AM

  61. Great video, Craig....you are getting good at self taping.

    In watching the event, it is certainly a Kennedy convention, not a Clinton convention.

    And it will be hard to unifying two large chunks of voters especially when everyone has the special Obama definition of winning a primary as defined by declaring yourself a winner, declining votes of Florida and Michigan and telling your rival to get out of the primary race. Just like the 2000 election....did we really get the winner?

    Perhaps that is "why" the return to the Camelot theme of the Kennedys...the bs really worked back in the sixties. The same cheating and fixing went on during the JFK regime, but the reporting was quite different.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:51 AM

  62. I think I'm going to go back to watching movies and old tv shows for awhile.......I'll rejoin yas after the election......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:52 AM

  63. He loves it, Sturg. Virtual fiefdom and all that.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 8:52 AM

  64. Okay, Jason. Here's a question for you: Who ya got in the US Open?

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:52 AM

  65. Wow in the months that I have not watched Morning Load, Mika has become much worse. She truly is Mrs. Load.
    And they are still talking about the Clintons.


    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:54 AM

  66. Oh yeah, on Youtube yesterday I found archived footage yesterday from Stan Laurel's funeral in 1965. Dick Van Dyke gave the eulogy. It was quite moving. I put the video up on my blog.

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:54 AM

  67. Well, it seems as if you have recently joined the Dead Dad Club. My condolences. Now you can live your life out of his shadow. It's liberating after the grief subsides. You can make efforts so that the same won't be said of you after your own passing, but it doesn't seem like you're that kind of guy anyway, so you got nothing to worry about. Keep on keepin' on, brah.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 8:56 AM

  68. The problem with Obama is that he is unelectable and the dems (per the usual) are stuck with a choice that is flawed. And don't you know that the other half of the dem party will make sure Obama is unelectable even if they have to vote for McCain, stay home of write-in a candidate. That is how it looks to me.

    Throwing some Biden meat at the Clinton lioness will not do a damn thing for the party.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 8:58 AM

  69. corey...........that was great.......god bless the clowns......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 8:58 AM

  70. The media has shifted the narrative from a referendum on the creepiness and failure of the goopers to a referendum on Obama.

    In the same way the media failed to accurately report on the swiftboat and to allow the false charges to fester, this continued to harping on the Clintons and not moving on to substantive issues does the same thing.

    The media sucks.

    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:03 AM

  71. You think Obama is unelectable, Wino? Interesting. I think he's the best and most viable presidential candidate in my lifetime; I just don't trust the machine behind him, and his surrogates do more harm than good from my cursory observation of this whole process. Biden's a joke, by the way; always has been.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 9:04 AM

  72. Corey........just for you.........

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHV_FO8z5iU

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 9:04 AM

  73. For the reasons, you mention, Champ....it makes him unelectable. I feel he hasn't done a much in his tenure and doesn't have any executive experience...thus relying on his machine for advice and wisdom. Give me a break about his viability. Axelrod is a PR machine and has done an incredible job.

    I forgot to mention the Biden meat was from Scranton, PA....that is really supposed to appease the HRC camp. I can't believe they think her supporters are so simple and the Obama supporters are great intellicuals. : )

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:09 AM

  74. Champ, is he a creation of that machine? Will he be strong enough to let his own persona reemerge? What, exactly, is that persona? Best indication we have is his daughters. I agree about his surrogates. I like Biden for his outspoken frankness.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:10 AM

  75. All I saw was a unified arena last night, and an enthusiastically received Michelle Obama, this whole concept of disunity while it may exist seems to me to be overly hyped by pundits who weren't impressed by Obama to begin with and still aren't.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:10 AM

  76. Sorry for the typos and mis-spellings...

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:11 AM

  77. Good for you, Brian. But if we all saw with the "same eyes" it would make things a lot easier for your guy. You keep forgetting that you have had the koolaid and your opine is wonderful, but not true for everyone.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:13 AM

  78. Yo Crey ....Now ya talkin......
    I have (sadly to say) Rafael Nadal and Serena Williams as champions for this year
    Although I hope it will be Roger Federer and Venus Williams.....

    Champ, why do U use the word "viable"? I think BO is now passed viable. I think he is now in the stage of: can he pull it off, can he bring it home?

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 9:21 AM

  79. Wino,
    The arena was indeed some kind of united front. Sadly for DNC, that is only .0075% of the electorate.....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 9:22 AM

  80. I've read back over the posts this morning and I sure hope you do not leave, Sturg. I really enjoy your posts.

    A word on brian, when I first started posting here, he tried to run me off....I remember I had posted he was constricted in his writing and he flipped out because he had Crohns disease (how was I supposed to know? And I think he was pissed because I did recognize his "problem" by his writing. He called me gross and stupid which was a first for me...he was awful. But, I changed and realized he is just a barking dog.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:25 AM

  81. Here's something cool I've found. A website that is a tribute to Stan Laurel. It contains several letters that Stan wrote to various people, many were written after the death of Oliver Hardy in 1957. The link here contains letters Stan wrote after the assasination of JFK. Interesting to read his thoughts.


    http://lettersfromstan.com/stan_1963c.html

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:28 AM


  82. "Get over it." I am repeatedly admonished!

    As a strong Clinton backer I have come to terms with her loss many months ago. I don't sit in a darkened room and opine for what might have been. I was certain since N.H. that the DNC and the MSM would never allow Hillary to be their nominee. N. Carolina and the right honorable J. Clyburn injected race to reinforce my judgement that Hillary's quest was hopeless. The outcome therefore was no surprise to me or many of her supporters.

    I AM OVER IT! I get it! But how does that bloody mean I "must" support "The One."
    Obama's inexperience, his preening arrogance, his deeply troubling associations, and the stranglehold dependence on far left wing nuts, all buttressed by his incalculable weakness on foreign policy make him the LAST person I could ever support.

    PUMA/Clintons4McCain

    toast


    Posted by: Milquetoast | August 26, 2008 9:31 AM

  83. Jason...well stated.

    I would have been shocked if the broadcast portion of the demcon looked otherwise. Again, it is a skilled PR game. Just like the candidate...a movie set. Great looking set, but there is nothing behind it.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:35 AM

  84. Blondi Whino the only one who cares about your PUMA pissiness are PUMAs and the few pundits who cater to them, most of the are on Fox, but not all. You want to spend the next 8 years in a snit, have fun, that's your choice. As I've said repeatedly after Hillary speaks tonight no one care about Hillary anymore, and her and her husband's attempt to push into the limelight will appear to be just what they are, the death throws of a couple who refuse to accept their time has passed and the world has moved on.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:36 AM

  85. brian, woof-woof, back at ya!

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:36 AM

  86. I don't think Biden/Scranton is to appease Clintonites as much as it is to pull in Lackawanna County and NEPA in general. For some reason, politicians love to pander to that area, I suppose because it is a bastion of blue-collar sentiment, although it's glory days are over, like 100 years over. If Scranton goes red, PA is lost.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 9:37 AM

  87. "death throes"

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 9:39 AM

  88. Champ....I was born in Pennsylvania. As a child, the Scranton area was know as the 'hard coal' country. Many miners were victims of black lung. It sort of became a symbol of the little working man against the large companies (they weren't called corporations last century....it was more of a company-town problem).

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:41 AM

  89. BTW what happened to those 10 of thousands of PUMA protesters who were supposed to show up last night? You all should have realized that since Hillary still hasn't been able to pay off her mountain of debt that "PUMA power" is all hype and nothing more, money talks, bullshit walks.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:43 AM

  90. Obama...'is all hype and nothing more, money talks, bullshit walks."

    Arf.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:44 AM

  91. Born and raised, Wino. I'm even a minor celebrity in the area. Truth be told, as racist as that area can be, I have a hard time seeing it "go red", it is such a Democratic stronghold.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 9:45 AM

  92. "tailoring yourself to suit the approval of others is a sure way to drive yourself nuts."
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/what-disunity-lurks-below.html#comment-133441

    Champ, glad to see you here.


    "Disgruntled due the loss of our candidate??? No, you, the MSM & the entire DNC are missing the poin"t. Posted by: blueINdallas | August 26, 2008 8:02 AM

    Worth repeating blue.


    "I've read back over the posts this morning and I sure hope you do not leave, Sturg. I really enjoy your posts." Blonde

    Me too Sturge.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:45 AM

  93. Thanks, Sturge. Goodnight, folks.

    "It's nice to be important, but more important to be nice."

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:45 AM

  94. Yeah right, that's why he'll be accepting the nomination Thursday night. What's Hillary's plans for Thursday night, she'll probably be at some backyard barbecue charging 50 bucks a plate to raise money to pay off her debt talking about having a catharsis.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:47 AM

  95. As a woman, and a mother, and a wife I could whole heartedly identify with Michelle when she spoke about her husband and her children and their future....I have always felt that bond is one that crosses all barriers...we all want our children to have a better world, we want to end wars, we want the environment clean and so forth. We want men to be loyal, involved and dedicated fathers of solid character.

    I can't imagine anyone not giving her credit for saying what we feel in such an eloquent manner.

    And she stressed that we need to work for it.....just as I tell my children....Her message was timely, and well received...

    A positive opening night for a convention themed "change."

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:48 AM

  96. Champ...you did get my attention with the celebrity status. : ) What's up?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:49 AM

  97. Well I have dogs to walk, enjoy your en masse wound licking.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:49 AM

  98. Corey...pleasant dreams. After my father died, I kept finding pennies on the side walks, etc. A friend told me that the pennies were from my Dad....pennies from heaven, so to speak.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:50 AM

  99. Yes we can, and yes we will!

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:50 AM

  100. Maybe the Repugs will dish the dirt on their first night? who knows?

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:50 AM

  101. off to the dog park as well...lol.....I am such an Obama-bot

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:52 AM

  102. Champ

    I have lived in many states in the US and have visited all but Alaska. I find racism rampant throughout the United States...but the "races" actually change positions throughout the country. Cultural differences are at play, I believe. For example, the black hills of South Dakota are filled with American Indian haters. Jokes from that area are often about how many drunken Indians can you get a a car? Yada-yada. I have visited Pine Ridge Indian reservation, wounded knee, etc. To me it is a sad area and I was shocked at the anti-Indian sentiment. More like the movie Thunderheart (Val Kilmer) to me than Dances with Wolves.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:57 AM

  103. See? I for one am grateful for folks like Brian, as such are constants in an ever-changing world. It's reassuring to know that whatever may come today or tomorrow, he will still be in here, being a total tool.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 9:57 AM

  104. Champ.... great to see you again!

    Sturg..... but.... but.... if you go who will be here to speak Latin to us....

    com' on Dems..... kick some butt tonight!

    I guarantee the Republicans will be from the opening bell.....

    Posted by: RebelliousRenee Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:58 AM

  105. " money talks"

    And "somebody's" money may just have bought your guy the office of POTUS. Hmm....wonder exactly who he'll owe.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:59 AM

  106. yep.....he's sick all right.....and makes the whole place sick......I've never been able to ignore a fat loudmouth, so the best thing for now is to clear out for awhile.....I really enjoy this place and most of the people who continue to post, but many good people dont post because of the toxicity from one locale and new people dont join in for the same reason so it's just the sameold sick sick day after day and no longer any fun......life's too short to dance with fat sickos who live in their mother's basement....lol...........

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 9:59 AM

  107. Champ...I will do the translation for brian

    Woof...arf...howl.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 9:59 AM

  108. nullis illigitimati corborundum

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:00 AM

  109. "she'll probably be at some backyard barbecue charging 50 bucks a plate to raise money to pay off her debt talking about having a catharsis. "

    And you'll be smoking dope and draining your most recent bodily eruption.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:01 AM

  110. The race was never going to be easy
    The Worrywart Party
    By Eugene Robinson

    "Somehow, tentativeness and insecurity have infected a party that ought to be full of confident swagger. It's not that Democrats don't like their odds of winning the presidency and boosting their majorities in both houses of Congress. It's that they are even bothering to calculate and recalculate those odds."

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:02 AM

  111. Sturg...

    What is latin for pooper scooper?

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:02 AM

  112. merdus pickupus?

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:04 AM

  113. I knew you would know, Sturg.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:06 AM

  114. "I've never been able to ignore a fat loudmouth, so the best thing for now is to clear out for awhile...."

    Sturge, can't you just bypass the posts?

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:06 AM

  115. You know who's posts, is what I mean Sturge

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:07 AM

  116. Well, I wonder if brian takes plastic bags to the park?

    Anyway, I believe he is gone and the area has been cleaned of dog poop! Not much we can do about the urine, however.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:07 AM

  117. rutrum merda

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:08 AM

  118. Funny thought, because it fits with an earlier theme from today: Dems have always been too focused on pleasing everyone within their tent, in keeping with their self-perceived liberal open-mindedness. It's to their own detriment. It's politics, you gotta consolidate and kick some ass; there's no place for scruples, at least where elections are concerned. Republicans are much better at that.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:11 AM

  119. Can you translate that Sturge.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:11 AM

  120. "It's politics, you gotta consolidate and kick some ass;"

    champ, don't you think that would mean that they need to stop talking about Hillary.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:13 AM

  121. To the victor goes the nomination and white house, to the vanquished goes a mountain of debt and a petulant husband with an amazing talent for inserting his foot into his mouth.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:14 AM

  122. Add me to the group who hopes you don't leave, sturgeone.


    Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:14 AM

  123. rutrum adhibeo merda......

    that's getting closer.....lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:14 AM

  124. Oh yeah, Sturge:

    You add a certain je ne sais quoi to the blog, and it seems you enjoy participating. Why let some douchebag whom almost no one likes influence your decision to do so? Just ignore such parties. Bullies thrive on attention and wither without it.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:14 AM

  125. Thanks

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:15 AM

  126. Champ....it is "why" the repugs look better at war than the dems. I thought Obama was an anti-war candidate, but he is just an anti-Iraq candidate. He is ready to move the troops to another war. More men will not find Bin Laden....we need the A team, the dirty dozen, the seven samurai....skilled hit team, not a army. It is a mountain war.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:15 AM

  127. Yeah Chloe, I really don't understand the continued resentment regarding the whole Hillary situation. It's over. If there is genuine concern for HIllary and her future, her advocates are doing her more of a disservice perpetuating the rift twixt her and the DNC. Believe it or not, Brian is on target with his analysis of this phenomenon, he just has a poor way of expressing it. Vinegar, honey and flies, dude.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:19 AM

  128. nothing dire or permanent......not to worry......I think too much of craig and his site to keep posting crap about the carbuncle

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:19 AM

  129. Sturge,
    what language are you talking? :-)

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:21 AM

  130. '....we need the A team, the dirty dozen, the seven samurai....skilled hit team, not a army."

    Blonde, Your way would be a lot more effective.

    The war thing is one of the reasons I wanted to see a woman in the White House. At least I hope there will be more women at the top. Mixed genders adds a lot of balance to the decision making.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:22 AM

  131. Sturg is helping me find the latin for pooper scooper...

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:24 AM

  132. Mad props to you this morning, Craig, courtesy of Wonkette:

    http://wonkette.com/402206/craig-crawford-parties-with-denver-wastoids-perhaps#comments

    Posted by: Julia | August 26, 2008 10:27 AM

  133. LOL
    The silly thing about Brian is the total hatred he shows toward Clinton. This election is never about Winning against the Republicans. It is his total obsession with the Clintons. The unfortunate problem for the Dems is that he is not the only one.

    What has not gone unnoticed in MSM about MO's speech is the very loud applause for her HRC line.

    As far as bring the party together. That is the Oboma camp's problem and from anon quotes in the press they may be a major part of the problem.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:27 AM

  134. And you know what a carbuncle is, Sturg! I am impressed...perhaps if you look at our blog offender as a walking carbuncle, it might ease your pain.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:27 AM

  135. 'her advocates are doing her more of a disservice perpetuating the rift twixt her and the DNC.'

    Actually Champ, I wasn't singularly talking about her advocates.
    The Obama group seems unable to stop talking about Hillary too. It's as though, no one can think of much else to talk about, and I don't get it. Maybe when the convention is over, things will change.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:28 AM

  136. No Champ, it is not her advocates...it is parts of the media and the BO campaign who continues this HRC nonsense by not so subtle ways of making her the vocal point in this ordeal

    1. Telling the media that HRC wasn´t vetted because she was vetted throughout the primary.... Even my foot knows that is BS
    2. Nominating Patti Solis as VP whatevere. Everyone knew then all along, HRC would not be when he made that move

    thes ethings will all be USED by the republicans to show what kind of an arrogant and hateful guy BO is. UI said this many times, the rpeublicans will use all the sthings. And whether we like it or not.....It isn´t lies....

    Come on....That is why I am saying unity starts with BO and not with DNC, HRC or PUMA or whoever. If Bo wants unity he will get it. He will make it happen...But he doesn´t, he still needs HRC to have airtime, and that is the problem that he is facing now.
    People are tired of the hype, the hype is gone.....Now it is back to reality

    it is like fashion. This moment it is something new like the True Religion brand jeans, After a little while it was all back to Gucci....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:28 AM

  137. Bin Laden will never be 'got', if he's even still alive. It would only make him more relevant than he already is. He's much more functional as a mythical boogey-man than as martyr.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:28 AM

  138. Well, Champ, we sure have spent a lot in money in lives to find the mythical unicorn of Islam.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:30 AM

  139. Today's thread on the BackChannel Blog

    The Seven Stages of Grief, by dnd

    http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:30 AM

  140. BW

    Shitus shovelus ?

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:31 AM

  141. Jason...CNN had Caroline Kennedy in an interview with the 'best team in politics' last night. She was asked about Clinton as VP and she said the same inane thing about HRC...."she would be on anyone's shortlist." It is so obvious, this is about the Kennedys and their choice for prez. She was questioned about the vetting of HRC and she was quite obstinate. Really an eye-opener if you can catch those moments via television. Let me look for a link.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:34 AM

  142. "The Seven Stages of Grief"

    LOL
    That column was cutting edge before june, you're 3 months too late.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:35 AM

  143. Who is talking about Change nowadays?
    Even BO has stopped with this hollow oneliner that somehow captivated the democratic voting mob in de primaries....
    But he stopped that horrendous one liner....because he knows that if change will be his mantra in the GE, than the repubs will laugh all the way to the white house.

    I bet he will recite MLK a lot on Thursday....The problem is, the hispanics will not allign as yesterday was seen on RTL. All popular latin stars are urging their people to vote republican.

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:35 AM

  144. 'these things will all be USED by the republicans to show what kind of an arrogant and hateful guy BO' Jason

    He needs to get on it now. Show us something we haven't seen yet. Whatever the Republicans do will bounce off a lot better if he can early on say something to and about the voters who are undecided.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:36 AM

  145. Just call him "Caligula", save yourselves the effort.


    Sad statement, BW. If they wanted him, they'd have him. Takes less than you might think

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:37 AM

  146. biden voted for the war

    change that........

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:37 AM

  147. Or 3 months too early. Nothing like being pschlogically prepared for the storm.

    "The Seven Stages of Grief, a prep manuel for Obamabots."

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:38 AM

  148. Blonde Wino,

    Please no link...Thnx anyway.
    I have ceased to watch CNN since may and I am glad to say, have kicked the habit. I´ll take your word for it. CNN is off limits for me

    That is why when Teddy Kennedy came on yesterday I happily zapped away and watched live tennis.....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:38 AM

  149. caligula translates as "Bootikins" or little boots for the miniature army boots Gaius wore in his father's army camps.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:39 AM

  150. "The Seven Stages of Grief, a prep manuel for Obamabots."

    Like Patsi's dad said when she hit brand new truck - It's worth it to see the look on their faces.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:40 AM

  151. If the boot fits...

    plus, it's adorable!

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:40 AM

  152. when i think "little boots" bush and his all hat no cattle come to mind........

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 26, 2008 10:41 AM

  153. Jack...pig latin


    Ooper-pay ooper-scay

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:41 AM

  154. I am so happy that I am here in Holland.

    The news is more balanced. I watch NOS and RtL, and BBC 1, 2 and BBC world....
    Yesterday they had an amazing analysis om how BO will lose due to the "murder of HRC". I lauged in the beginning because it was deemed to be satirical...but all of a sudden I fell silent.... Everyone is making a mockery out of our elections.
    The guy who was a guest on BBC said: Even we (being the british) elected Margaret Thatcher, we knew she was the most qualified. I can´t understand that the Americans throw away their only chance to regain some authority in the world.....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:43 AM

  155. I didn't know dnd was a grief counselor.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:44 AM

  156. Jason, tell the guy on the BBC that I can't understand how the Brits have allowed their nation to become the pre-eminent police state outside of China. Arrogant pseudo-intellectual Limeys. That accent doesn't fool me.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 10:47 AM

  157. Jason, are you living in Holland permanently or do you plan to come back?

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:50 AM

  158. I guess you all read about the second bunch of nuts caught in Denver

    First the guy found dead in his hotel room with a large amount of cyanide.

    Yesterday a car full skin heads with a loaded rifle, enough meth to keep themselve going for weeks and a yearning to make the history books the only way losers like that can.
    LOL, They had the rifle sighted in for 750 yards, they were going to so cranked up that they couldn't hit something at 10ft.

    Wonder what else will crawl out of the woodwork

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:50 AM

  159. Wonder what else will crawl out of the woodwork

    Jack


    That's why I watch, Jack! Some of these folks will make the yearly Darwin list that circulates on email.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:54 AM

  160. "Obama advisor David Plouffe's opinion: Polls don't count"

    "David Plouffe, an architect of Barack Obama's surprise ascension to the pinnacle of the Democratic Party, did not look Monday like a fellow under duress although recent polls show his candidate has lost much of the advantage he had over John McCain."

    That's because, to hear him tell it, he all but ignores these surveys.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 10:57 AM

  161. @ Champ....LOL. Still they make sense to me.

    @Chloe: I am working on my dissertation here. Planing on coming back next year, but I was offered a job here...have to say: looking at the state the US is in and where it is headed with either of these two candidates; I think I might take the offer....
    The only thing I am having trouble with is the dutch weather. YAK.....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 10:59 AM

  162. Craig,

    These little video forays of yours should become a regular feature on Morning Joe. They are so entertaining and and always set up an excellent conversational topic.

    As to the current state of the two party system. Both parties will nominate men not qualified to do the job. Therefor I will have to go with the party closest to my political leanings and go Democratic. Of course I also consider Nancy Pelosi a waste of political air space, but after 8 years of Shrubco, it's time for a complete house (and Senate) cleaning.


    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:01 AM

  163. Jason, Are the people there much different than here.
    Just curious, since I've never been there.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:01 AM

  164. Craig...how about a photo of you with the great blue bear?

    http://www.9news.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=98260&catid=337

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:06 AM

  165. I have no interest in that "stages of grief" BS. Grief was NEVER what I felt. "Grief" is about your loved ones dying for Christ sakes.

    This stages of grief crap is ALL because we are talking about a female candidate and many female supporters. It is stupid and sexist, and the male dominated media and female enablers sold people -- even smart ones like dnd -- on that idea. "Oh, the poor dears must be feeling weepy. (maybe it's just their time of the monet, or else menopause...) But they'll come crawling back like a whipped wife. They have no place else to go!!!!!!!"

    God a'mighty. Spare me.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:06 AM

  166. Yo Jay, can a brother get a hook-up with a dutch girl? I like 'em tall, blonde, and somewhat bitchy. See what you can do.

    Posted by: champ | August 26, 2008 11:07 AM

  167. Clinton's Thankless Job
    "Clinton is a woman who knows how to lose -- to lose any shred of privacy, to lose face, to lose any expectation of being treated with a modicum of respect by the talking heads in the media and now, to lose a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination that she expected to win. As if to heap insult upon injury, the Obama campaign let it be known that it did not for a minute seriously consider Clinton as a running mate, notwithstanding the 18 million votes she earned during the primaries and her demonstrated ability to win over white, working-class voters who remain cool to Obama and are necessary for victory in the fall. Those 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling that the Obama forces conceded could gain a reference in the party's platform are, apparently, just words."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502334.html

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:09 AM

  168. chloe: thought about it and decided that I do owe you an apology for the post as whomever yesterday.

    So, I am sorry and will be more straightforward in the future.

    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 26, 2008 11:10 AM

  169. Well,
    One thing about the Dutch...they are very very very very down to earth. Very common..... Those are the good qualities.

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 11:11 AM

  170. Thanks dog.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:13 AM

  171. How silly for the work of unity to fall at Hillary's feet! It is the job of the Obama campaign to do so and from my perspective, they are pushing the HRC supporters and not reaching out to the group, at all.

    As I have posted, this guy claims to work across the aisle, but he cannot reach out to HRC supporters.

    The Obama campaign has adopted the steam roller philosophy for the Clinton half of the party.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:13 AM

  172. Champ,
    Ya killing me......
    But I can hook U up. You can have them in all sizes and shapes....

    Posted by: Jason | August 26, 2008 11:15 AM

  173. Ooper-pay, ooper-scay alert.

    Posted by: Blonde wino Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 11:17 AM

  174. Jason, I think he's more interested in the "bitchy" part.