Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I think pootty poot can manage evil on his own without the assistance of the GOP. A President has to be ready to respond to a crisis whether he is in the WH or deep sea fishing off of Cabo. Obama came out pretty fast with s statement. The usual fluff and vagueries from both parties but the GOP get the bad end since this is all the result of Shrub's lack of talent at soul reading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJK052E7M8&feature=related

Sorry Craig, but that dog won't hunt. Americans are attracted to shiny things and the Olympics are one big shiny event. When the majority of our country can't point out the state of Georgia, I doubt many understand the dangers within the country of Georgia.

If I were to take the temperature of the country right now, McCain can stand behind as many flags as he wants, puff out his chest and say he'll stand up to the Russian, but most Americans will yawn and see if Michael Phelps has won another gold. The country's new mantra: if it doesn't concern us, then don't concern us.

Haven't been reading the TM, but have you guys been reading The Atlantic??? This shows how Clinton's people really failed her. Yikes.

LOL! Then you're just like the people who worked on the Clinton campaign!

See no caucuses...hear no caucuses...

Mr. D,

As you're salivating about "The Atlantic" article and gearing up for full-on
Clinton bashing this morning, huffing and puffing, here's an article posted
about two hours ago on the Obama friendly MSNBC website,
which states that one of the main reasons Hillary lost was because
she refused to go nuclear negative on Obama and paint him as
un-American when most of her advisors advised her to do so. Her refusal
caused ongoing tension in the campaign.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26146898

The fan club -- McC's latest mash-up:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_moves_DNC_operations_to_Chicago.html

Haven't been reading the TM, but have you guys been reading The Atlantic??? This shows how Clinton's people really failed her. Yikes.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 12, 2008 1:19 AM

TRUE MD, very true..... and if you ask me: very Sad!
And then, even throughout this she managed to come so far...

Marcia's point SHOULD have been the media's point: Hillary refused to use those tactics. Instead, she pointed our a lack of experience, certainly a valid criticism.

She took the high road, and yet still got blasted for being negative, whiner a racist. and on and on I have a long memory, CNN and MSNBC is not now viewed in my house and I certainly won't be voting for Obama.

"What's a caucuses?"

Russian mountain range?

Our military right now has been consumed by Bush, and just like him, there's not much left accept a belt buckle and a pair of boots.

accept =except

Clearly, Medvedev is in the tank for Obama.

MOSCOW - "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered a halt to military action in Georgia on Tuesday..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

Corey....
you have my very deepest condolences....

a lot of people here think you are a treasure..... hope that thought gives you some measure of comfort.....

take care and get back to us when you feel better.....

Craig....
~~~you must have your tongue planted so far up your cheek you could swallow it~~~ surely you don't think we have that much influence in the world any longer....

and as for Russia being told "they aren't acting like a democracy"..... yeah, right..... like we were acting so democratic when we invaded Iraq.....

we have no more moral authority..... Bushy and co. made sure of that.....

i look foward to discussing hillary's campaign during the worst administration in american history...even worse than bush's...mccain's.

WAKE UP PEOPLE...hillary doesn't matter anymore. saving our country matters. concentrate on electing sen. obama. FOCUS.

sheesh.

"we have no more moral authority..... Bushy and co. made sure of that....."

Renee

We only have no moral authority because our leaders have none. Putin is not worried about any retribution because Bushco have little influence with the world and what are we gonna do? Go to war with the second largest nuclear power in the world, I don't think so.

Jack

JP
The only people worried about HRC appear to be the Obamabots which basically proves they aren't true Obama supporters, just pitiful Clinton haters.

Enough with them.

Jack

I'll tell you, if the SDs don't come to their senses and rebel from the Obama/Chicago machine that is holding them hostage, our country will have hell to pay.

We don't need inspiration; we need competence.

From the link Blue posted above

"French President Nicolas Sarkozy, just arrived in Moscow carrying Western demands for a Russian pullback, welcomed the decision to halt the fighting but said Georgia's sovereignty, integrity and security must be protected. There was no immediate comment from the United States."

Jack

georgia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thls_tMuFkc

I think Sarkozy may be the kind of person who will get right in their faces. That's what's needed.

A great takedown of McCains response to the Georgia crisis. This from a natural ally.

http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2008/08/mccain_clueless.html

Flatus

It looks like Sarkozy may be able to give the EU some strong leadership. They are going to need it when dealing with a resurging activist Russia. But then again, he is French so maybe not so much.

Jack

Patd, maybe more appropriate
Back in the USSR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqH11Fa3e0

Jack

seems like the quality of imus' mercy is very strained..............lol

She took the high road, and yet still got blasted for being negative, whiner a racist. and on and on I have a long memory, CNN and MSNBC is not now viewed in my house and I certainly won't be voting for Obama.

Posted by: oldseahag | August 12, 2008 7:01 AM

Welcome to the CNN ban group. Have to say, Am in my 4th month and the habit was kicked sucessfully.
The more I stay in this country the more I like the way the are and bringing the news. I have never seen more objective news anywhere than here in Holland.

Good morning -- my friends and I were talking about the tragically bogus SWAT police raid on the home of Berwyn Heights, MD Mayor. There was a study done by CATO Institute about how these "no-knock" raids and mistaken house, mistaken identity, or false assumption raids are on the rise with violent results.

Here is a map of these raids throughout the US. I don't think it includes all these raids, since there are two that I know about that occurred in Virginia and are not on the list.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

The French have always done what they perceived to be in their national interest. Sometimes they were right, and sometimes wrong. But, they have enough independence to keep their forces out of a U.S. dominated NATO military structure. That probably makes them appear as something of a loose cannon to Russian eyes.

People, indeed wake up.... Let HRC be.

I am a true, true HRC supporter and will not vote Barrack in the fall (100%), but I really want the focus to shift from HRC to BO. It is the only chance for HRC not to get blamed for his demise.
That is what Hillary needs... talk and walk BO for that matter but leave HRC alone...She will resurface, sonner than we think!....that is a promise

US has been playing a large part in outfitting and training the Georgian Army --

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html

Imus sure gave Craig little slack on the Edwards thing.

I think Craig's position is totally wrong so far as everybody is doing it therefore we can't/shouldn't make a big deal of it.

We are very quick in making an issue of such things as wearing helmets while riding motorcycles, or of chewing tobacco, or of wearing seatbelts.

But fornication with skanks while still having children in the nest, and while holding one's self out to be an exemplar of caring monogamousness is beyond pitiful.

Jason, Obama is only 49 delegates ahead now that he is willing to seat MI and FL as voted. Obama is flagging and it appears as if the media is even catching on. I'm looking for an genuine Convention, not a coronation and we just might end up0 with that.

Jason, Obama is only 49 delegates ahead now that he is willing to seat MI and FL as voted. Obama is flagging and it appears as if the media is even catching on. I'm looking for an genuine Convention, not a coronation. Still have hope that we just might end up with that.

I continue to support Senator Clinton to be the Democratic nominee. She most prepared to be President and is our best chance of victory.

The GOP haven't even brought out the big attaciks and Senator Lightweight is reeling.

oldseahag

It ain't going to happen. Your choices are Obama or McCain.
You may also do a number of options that add up to sitting this one out also. But HRC is not going to be in the race any more this year. She has made that very plain.

Jack

"She most prepared to be President and is our best chance of victory."

OD

She *was* the most prepared, She is now, not in the running.

Jack

Thanks for the Wired links, Alicia. There are a bunch of related posts referenced in it. Lots of history there.

Blue,

You Medvedev contrivance seems a bit cynical since you are so whole heartedly for McCain.

I wonder if your candidate appreciates that your first reaction is that the Russians are in the tank for Obama and not that they cowed in the face of McCain's remarks.

If you are in fact a liberal in Dallas, I would hate to see what the Larry Kudlow of your world looks like.

I know...
But this is not the time. HRC stepped up and is campaigning for him, so we must follow the lead. I am not saying: Go vote for the guy (I won´t) but I think that if we want to have another shot with HRC we should stay put.
Every little hassle that might remotely be attributed to the HRC camp will me magnified 1 trillion times and blamed on her. I do not think we can have another blame game, if HRC is to have a future in politics in this country.
BO will falter, there is no question about it. The only question is: WHEN......

I say, after the convention. People are allready starting to realise that this rockstar phenom is not the chance to take. The campaign is making a big fault to do this 75.000 people extravaganza, which is going to wreak havoc sooner than later.
If BO after the election doesn´t pull away from JmC in double digits, it is over....And he knows...

The release of these internal Clinton memos is the most damning counter to any charge that she was the best option. All they did was further highlight how unqualified she was to manage the strong personalities on her staff. They further demonstrate that early on she knew she couldn't win on her own merits and that they needed to destroy her opponent as well

In previous elections, it would have worked but this year, people are wanting things different. Now this may work for McCain, but since his celebrity has bought him some chits with the MSM, he isn't going to get called to the carpet for it like Clinton did...

Flatus

As I read the news story about Sarkozy, I had 2 reactions. first was good the Europeans are addressing this at least. Followed by my fear this is only a bit of strutting by the French, with no real backing by other EU members. I wish I knew which.

The second reaction was,
Where is the headline about the US SoS flying into Moscow to meet with Russian officials. Bush has changed our status in the world and not for the better.

Jack

Flatus -- The US involvement in Georgia kinda opens up a whole new aspect of that dangerous situation -- one that BUSHCO policies perhaps helped to provoke? Follow the oil!

Jason,

Your comments and those from Clinton supporters lead me to wonder if any of you care about the significant damage a McCain presidency can do to this country economically, with regards to a generational shift of the Supreme Court and our long term safety.

I think it's hilarious that the same women who champion women's rights think McCain will do anything to preserve them.

People who claim to advocate for the poor or middle class honestly think McCain gives a shit about them when all he wants to do is make permanent a set of tax cuts he first opposed just to make himself look good politically. Now they are in place, he supports the same cuts he called frivolous.

All he wants to do is follow the Orwellian idea that constant war is necessary for peace...and to distract the folks at home about how bad things really are.

It never ceases to amaze me at the selfishness of her voters. You claim that Obama supporters are cultists and I say Bullshit. I don't know any who would have voted for McCain...I guess that makes the Obama people the truer Democrats because they would still vote like one had their choice failed to get the nom...

"if HRC is to have a future in politics in this country"

Jason

She will have what ever future she wants, right now she is the major power in the Democratic party. Her supporters provide her with a powerful platform. Now she needs to deliver them for Democrats nationwide.

After that the world is wide open.

Jack

The Quality of Mercy

The quality of mercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
It is an attribute of God himself;
And earthly power doth then show like God's
When mercy seasons justice.

Yeah, but..............

You don't get it do you Bear, It is not that McCain will support the causes. It is that Obama has demonstrated that he will gladly throw any issue they value overboard if they are in the way of him getting elected.

Jack

They further demonstrate that early on she knew she couldn't win on her own merits and that they needed to destroy her opponent as well

--bear

But that's exactly what obama did to garner his "win".

Good morning all
Very good read from Slate "Lonely Night in Georgia"

"In the long term,the best way to take Russia down a notch (along with Iran,Venezuela and other hostile powers overflowing with oil money) is to pursue policies and fund technologies that slash the demand for oil.The Georgia crisis should make it clear,if it isn't already that this is a matter of hard-headed national security".
http://slate.com/id/2197281

Bear,

Because I care so deeply I will not vote.
If I didn´t care I would vote for Mr.Popular or for Mr.Bush3.
But I care and so I won´t vote......
It is a choice between two of the worse, and seen as I will not choose between them, I am willing to take the chance and sit this out.

I am a former democrat and only looking at the person nowawayds, not at a party....Seen as this election will bring Obama and McCain, I have no choice but to sit it out.

Hope U can respect my views.
BO is NOT the one for me. Not now.... This has nothing to do with hate or vindication, but with ratio, my ratio

hey all, sorry i've been out of the comments flow lately but reading as always. think i'll hide under the desk today like they told us to do during the Cuban missile crisis.

Alas Babylon!

Craig....
Canadian food prices have been higher than this country for a long time... I remember visiting my grandparents in New Brunswick as a little kid and accompanying my parents into the local grocery store and hearing my father grumbling about the prices.... one explanation is that Canada's minimum wage is almost twice that of this country...... and Canadians live much more modestly than we do..... they don't build McMansions and have to have all the latest toys....

my problem with Edwards' indiscretion is that he did it when his spouse has terminal breast cancer..... and IMO, this type of thing.... just like Newt Gingrich... shows a complete lack of character....

A fun read

Jack
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/08/americans-wait.html#more

"Ya know, as much as Americans want to see everything in black and white, there ain't no bad guys causing all this to happen from behind some curtain. There is only us. All 300 million of us. Even as mere moving parts we are mutually dependant upon one another for survival. In fact, especially as mere moving parts. In some relative unison AFTER the big smackdown of American numbness and hubris, we just may have enough sense to choose to be parts in a different machine altogether, a more compassionate and fair one"

Renee
Those McMansions are a lot harder to heat in the Frozen North.

Jack

Flatus,

"while holding one's self out to be an exemplar of caring monogamousness is beyond pitiful."

I realize that your comment wasn't meant to be funny, but it did remind me of the first Senator from Utah whose comment actually ties into the Edwards mess.

When Reed Smoot first arrived in DC and took a great deal of heat about his religion. He observed about the "Christians" sharing the Senate with him:

"Which would you rather have, a Polygamist who does polyg or a Monogamist who doesn't Monog?"

craig........ha ha .......valiant stand-up to the old I-man, but it was like a palm tree against a hurricane......"snot-eating phony"? mercy has no footing against that degree of ire........mucho kudo for the attempt, however........

It's always best here when youre present......

(wocka wocka wocka)

whskyjack- I'm going with- it ain't over till the lady in the pant suit sings. I even think Big Dawg is leaning that way, with his statement last week which he qualified by saying
“I’m not, and I never was mad at Senator Obama. I think everybody’s got a right to run for president if he qualifies under the Constitution,

I think he knows something we don't know yet.
I find Mark Penn's "release the tapes" interesting too. Could be he is referring to Wright, as he is mentioned elsewhere in the emails, could be another tape....
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/penn-in-decembe.html

ISo for now 'm banking on the good work of Heidi Li Feldman, a law prof. at Georgetown and her pac The Denver Group.
http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/interview-exclusive/
as well as Texas Darlin and the petition she is getting signed by delegates.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

"Cuban missile crisis"

Ah, them was the days. We had an official lunatic bad guy(he proved it by banging on the podium with his shoe), who could destroy the world with one simple push of a button.
Makes you feel sorry for Georgy boy, all he had for a bad guy was that tinhorn wannabe , Saddam.

Jack

I read one article on the Russian-Georgian skirmish in which Putin was quoted as calling the US a Hypocrite. Wow! How often do we see that type of language in exchanges between Powers. When you compare the Bush-US stance, claims and language in this situation with the Israel-Lebanon skirmish, Putin has a point, even if we don't want to hear it.

Bear- not so fast, even Michelle Obama replied when asked if she would vote for Hillary if she became the nominee "I don't know, I'll have to think about that"

Why are you hiding under the table C?
There is no reason sir...
Now.....
Get your silly behind from under that desk and start blogging..... LOL

Anyone catch the Serena olympics match today? Hilarious. In 44 minutes she was gone. Critics are saying that like Wimbledon it will be an all sister final and a doubles championship

Duck and Cover:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0K_LZDXp0I

"Which would you rather have, a Polygamist who does polyg or a Monogamist who doesn't Monog?"

Isn't that right, Jamie.

Who was it that was drunk, dancing in the reflecting pool with a hooker during the wee hours?

Jack.....

ha!
actually the temps in the Maritime provinces aren't that much different from those here in northern New England..... McMansions have been sprouting up here like mushrooms.... but nobody's buying.....

BTW.... I loved Imus making fun of Chris Matthews.....

A post of mine was held for review- Is there a limit to the number of links posted?

"Putin has a point, even if we don't want to hear it"
{Insert chuckle here}
Yep
I think that is why Bushco seems to be setting around looking at each other saying "wtf do we do now?"

Jack

Wilbur Mills?

Bear- not so fast, even Michelle Obama replied when asked if she would vote for Hillary if she became the nominee "I don't know, I'll have to think about that"

Posted by: oldseahag | August 12, 2008 9:54 AM

Very true, and she never changed her mind. hahahhahaha...You just gotta love her.
So she is allowed to think about it, as a true true democrat, and I should like follow in line like a toy soldier...(quoting an 80´s hit from Martika)....Not in this lifetime... :-))

"craig........ha ha .......valiant stand-up to the old I-man, but it was like a palm tree against a hurricane......"snot-eating phony"? mercy has no footing against that degree of ire........mucho kudo for the attempt, however........"

Sturg you're right. I think Imus' outrage goes beyond entertainment. Hard to stand up against that.

I hope all this outrage is not just generational.

In the emotion of the moment, Michele's comments were understandable. Just as the initial reaction from Clinton was as well.

However, had Clinton won, there is no doubt that Obama would have campaigned hard for Hillary.

Also, is Michele's pronouncement any different than Bill Clinton's tantrum that he has quietly been throwing? I don't think so.

"Wilbur Mills?"

Yeah, Sturg, that was the rascal.

Flatus,

Here is Fanny Foxe and down at the bottom click on some of the other more notorious "bad girls" helping the political "bad, bad, naughty boys"

http://congressionalbadboys.com/Fanny.htm

"no doubt that Obama would have campaigned hard for Hillary."

From all the whine about racism from the Obama campaign, I think there is plenty of doubt.

Jack

Bear, are you commenting from fantasyland?

Loved this quote from Paula Parkinson about life in DC:

"Washington is basically a very horny city. For one thing, there are more women here than men. And men can be jerks with women and get away with it, because men are so scarce around here."

"If I'd slept with everybody who asked me, I never would have gotten out of bed."

Thanks, Jamie, nice find.
http://congressionalbadboys.com/index.htm

Yes, it is different- the Clinton's have always stressed the importance of getting a Democrat in the WH, whereas Michelle, when given the chance did not.

Bear
Oh and there is no doubt that Hillary's campaining hard for Obama and whether President Clinton is throwing a tantrum or not is in the eye of the beholder!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/wag-the-bear.html#comment-127110

"it was like a palm tree against a hurricane" -- posted by sturgeone

ha, glad you chose palm tree for me, because they usually don't break, not even for hurricanes

So, he said as he stirred the pot, does anybody have an opinion about the HRC article, upset outraged? Come on the back channel lurkers need to be entertained.

Jack

Bear

"any different than Bill Clinton's tantrum that he has quietly been throwing? I"

For the most part this has been one of those media creations. There has been so much selective editing and deletions of his comments as to make the reports a tissue of lies. Even Sen. Obama countered some of it by calling the principal interview "difficult" and saying Pres Clinton had handled it well and that they had had excellent conversations.

I'm sure his feelings were hurt by that Axelrod created nonsense in SC, but he is too much of a politician to let a temper tantrum get in the way of practical negotiations.

Could someone please tell me if there is a limit to links in a post? A post of mine was held back and I had two links in it and also a quote. Is one required to back quotes up by posting the link?

My opinion on the article.
I have none because I doubt if I even read it. Other more interesting things out there than to listen to the same old stuff.

Jack

sorry for your trouble oldesahag -- unfortunately we had to limit comments to no more than two links in order to help prevent spam -- i'll go look up your comment and release it from spam jail

seahag

I think there is a 3 link rule
I usually only do one.

Jack

Tiptoe is probably going to be haunting that badboysofcongress website for hours to double check her list of the performers of nefarious acts.

here ya go, oldseahag, you are freed from spam jail:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/wag-the-bear.html#comment-127112

Oldseahag,

There cannot be more that two direct links in any post or it gets dumped into never never land for review. A long post will sometimes get lost in the ether so if you do one, it is a good idea to copy before hitting submit to prevent frustration.

Bear I love your reply with regards to Michelle. Of course it was the emotion of the moment
yep it was understandable...... And since that day many many months ago the emotion is still there?

gekkenhuis......:-)

As many of the morning folks don't read the over nights
I thought I would link to this post by Corey. His father past away last night.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/give-edwards-a-break.html#comment-127012

Jack

Thanks Craig and an A for effort on Imus today! He really can get on a roll sometimes.

TECH NOTE: I found many legit comments held in spam bin that were held for containing more than 2 links. So here's a reminder, our spam filter holds comments with more than 2 links. So if you've got more than 2 links to share, please divide into separate comments. Checking that pending pin is just not something i've been able to make time to keep up with.

As you might notice, our spam filter does work but we have to live with this incovenience to get the job done. If you could see our spam bin, you'd agree that it's worth it to keep that nasty junk out of our threads.

Haven´t you noticed: the moment BO is dipping from the radar somehow some stuff with regards to HRC mysteriously surfaces.......

Reminds me of my friend Isaac Hayes when he sang:

I Never can say goodbye, no, no, no, no, now.
I never can say goodbye.

Even though the pain and heartache
seems to follow me wherever I go,
Though I try and try to hide my feelings,
they always seems to show,

Then you try to say you're leaving me
and I always have to say no,
tell me why is it so.

That I never can say goodbye, no, no, no, no, now.
I never can say goodbye.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/wag-the-bear.html#comment-127146

just saw that myself, Jack. Very sorry about Corey's loss of his Dad. Corey is one of our originals and joined us at our Vegas gathering in, what was it? 2006 in think. Sharing personal stories of relations with his father has been such a meaningful contribution to our little world. Hang in there, Corey!

Ohhh. Thanx Jack!

Well Corey, all I can say is: keep praying that your dad gets there. In these tough times, All I can say is: be courageous, and pray to our creator that he welcomes him and he gets THERE!

Brotherly hug from Amsterdam......

Thanks Jack and Jamie for your reply and advice which I will follow in the future.

Craig...the spam bin sounds like a grease trap. Eww.

Great post...the warrior vs. the orator.

Jack -- Thank you for reporting this. I had a notion that Corey's dad was gravely ill, but didn't know the full story.

Corey -- I am so sorry for your loss. I hope that you can keep good memories of your father in your heart forever, and that this will somehow ease your grief. ~Alicia

~
These hearts were woven of human joys and cares,
Washed marvellously with sorrow, swift to mirth.
The years had given them kindness. Dawn was theirs,
And sunset, and the colours of the earth.
These had seen movement, and heard music; known
Slumber and waking; loved; gone proudly friended;
Felt the quick stir of wonder; sat alone;
Touched flowers and furs and cheeks. All this is ended.

There are waters blown by changing winds to laughter
And lit by the rich skies, all day. And after,
Frost, with a gesture, stays the waves that dance
And wandering loveliness. He leaves a white
Unbroken glory, a gathered radiance,
A width, a shining peace, under the night

The Dead
Rupert Brooke

Corey,

May I add my sincere condolences to you and your family at the passing of your father.

The big Moscow - Georgia skirmish is -- whispers -- all about oil. Sound familiar?

Aww corey.. so very sorry to hear.. you are amongst friends..

"hillary doesn't matter anymore. saving our country matters. concentrate on electing sen. obama. FOCUS.

sheesh."

Too late, pal. We blew it. Now no matter what, we'll have a second rate POTUS.

we'll have a second rate POTUS.

Posted by: Patsi | August 12, 2008 10:45 AM

Second?
come on Patsi...Ecven you don´t believe that... I am allready thinking double digits here and not the lower ones... :-)

I had posted a few thoughts on Edwards last night...only to delete them....I am still hurting from his betrayal. I am amazed as to how personally I am taking the news of his affair. I wondered how he felt during the Spitzer revelation. I wondered "why" he stayed in the race. But after all is said and done, he is the Gary Hart of the new millenium. One thing about Edwards, he is cold fish. He is proud of the fact he doesn't cry and doesn't love Ms. Hunter. Yet, he is so passionate about the poor...or maybe he is duping us all again. Yep, a bit embarrassed I am taking this personally. Sorry, for not posting last night (where this dribble belongs).

whskyjack- I'm going with- it ain't over till the lady in the pant suit sings. I even think Big Dawg is leaning that way, with his statement last week which he qualified by saying
“I’m not, and I never was mad at Senator Obama. I think everybody’s got a right to run for president if he qualifies under the Constitution,

I think he knows something we don't know yet.
I find Mark Penn's "release the tapes" interesting too. Could be he is referring to Wright, as he is mentioned elsewhere in the emails, could be another tape....
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/penn-in-decembe.html

Jason

"Haven´t you noticed: the moment BO is dipping from the radar somehow some stuff with regards to HRC mysteriously surfaces......."

Given all the leaks about the Clinton operations, I know there had to be more moles than the south forty. She wouldn't fight dirty. Axelrod had no such qualms.

So for now 'm banking on the good work of Heidi Li Feldman, a law prof. at Georgetown and her pac The Denver Group.
http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/interview-exclusive/

as well as keeping on eye onTexas Darlin and the petition she is getting signed by delegates.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

Given all the leaks about the Clinton operations, I know there had to be more moles than the south forty. She wouldn't fight dirty. Axelrod had no such qualms.

Posted by: Jamie | August 12, 2008 10:59 AM

Very perceptive and on the mark, Jamie!

Blond Wino

One of the uglier Anne Coulter remarks about Edwards was that he was such a user that he should have a bumper sticker on his car reading, "Ask me about my dead son.". That remark is what provoked Elizabeth Edwards to call in on Hardball and chastize her.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/06/hotline_after_d_232.html

It was a hideous thing to say, and now you almost wonder if she was accurate about his character if not her description of it.

I finally have a day off...and tons of personal errands to run, but I enjoy this blog so much. Although I do not have time to post as much, I am a faithful reader.

Have a great day...

I'm sorely disappointed with Rendell's response to the delegate petition.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
What has become of our Party?

Jamie...I am sure Edwards has a very complicated psychological profile. He may have had the affair as a reaction to Elizabeth's illness...especially since he made mention of the cancer during his interview with ABC.

Again...I am surprised at my voyuerism into their lives...not the usual for me, but lying always fascinates me. Some folks are so good at it.

Corey, If you're around, I want to tell you how sorry I am to hear about your dad. Nothing ever prepares you for losing someone. Please let us know how you and your mom, and the rest of your family, are doing.

Raising Kaine Blog in Virginia is reporting that Robert Barr has made the required 10,000 signatures to get on the ballot. So far, Nader (Ind) and McKinney (Green) have not filed, although their campaigns say they will by the Aug 22 deadline.

http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=15345

Marcia, Thanks for that 1:47am link.

"Chloe, the problem with many of the Afrocenteric folks is they are very centered on their issues and their problems. You can see it with the Reverend Wright. He address's things from his point of view. I don't think Reverend Wright is a bad man but I do wonder if he has had his assumptions tested as much as many of us who have had to deal with a variety of cultures have.Jack"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/give-edwards-a- break.html#comment-126930

Jack, I saw your post from last night and was afraid I left you with the impression I support what Wright stands for.

Reg. your above post, I say Wright's not interested in testing his assumptions. He's interested in preaching his point of view. I wasn't trying to legitimize what he's doing, I was just pointing out what I think his motivation and plan is. I have no respect for the guy. He teaches hate.

One of my cousins dumped his wife for the cancer free model.

She died shortly thereafter.

I haven't spoken to him since then. It's been at least thirty years. I don't intend to speak to him ever again.

I listen to talk radio in the car....the latest round from the repugs has to deal with this...

http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/07/chicagos_murder_rate_up.php

More deaths this month in Chicago, than Iraq. So, when Obama goes off to Europe again, they will point out he does little for his hometown and state as the sitting Senator.

"Again...I am surprised at my voyuerism into their lives...not the usual for me,"

BW, Cancer has visited almost all our families. We judge his reaction to such terrible adversity. I don't think that's voyeurism--more like empathizing with the victims. And hoping to goodness that we'll do better.

One of my cousins dumped his wife for the cancer free model.

She died shortly thereafter.

I haven't spoken to him since then. It's been at least thirty years. I don't intend to speak to him ever again.

Posted by: Flatus | August 12, 2008 11:14 AM

Flatus, this is way out of my territory, but I am warning you in a civil way. Even if the hurt is that bad, try to forgive. Forgive doesn´t mean forget, but it means letting go. By holding on to a grudge you do not free yourself and you are constantly staying aware of what happend in the past.
Even if the hurt is very high, holding on to a grudge will not make it any easier. Let go and let the big man upstairs do the rest. I speak from experience....

Good luck!

Thanks for all the nice comments and well wishes, everyone. We all spent last night at my sister's house. It was hard to sleep last night. I did look at the sky last night as I was lying on my sister's couch. I noticed there were a few stars out last night, but one star was clearly brighter than all of the others. We have to make the funeral arrangements this afternoon. We are going to have a visitation here in Holland and then a visitation and burial in Adrian. Talk to all of you later.

Flatus...you are so much of a better person than I am....you are right about cancer, I watched both of my parents die from the disease along with two brother-in-laws. My brother is a cancer survivor as is my mother-in-law. Cancer has touched all of our lives.

My interest in Edwards is for the lying and cheating...it fascinates me while I condemn it. Yet, it is so human. We all have our public and private personas. To me, honesty is so powerful and difficult.

I listen to talk radio in the car....the latest round from the repugs has to deal with this...

http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/07/chicagos_murder_rate_up.php

More deaths this month in Chicago, than Iraq. So, when Obama goes off to Europe again, they will point out he does little for his hometown and state as the sitting Senator.

Posted by: Blonde wino | August 12, 2008 11:18 AM

In an earlier post I have said: Let us just wait and see. It will happen soon, the demise. Cause tha party is allready over. I´ve said it once, I ´ll say it again: BO will NOT be elected potus in 2008. And we all know that... Now what we need to do is not to let any blame fall on HRC.....That is why I am asking you to let this go and stay home on electionday....

Flatus,
I came back to post this link, but noticed your post about your cousin. Sorry to hear that, but you did the right thing.

MOSCOW -- "The past week's events in South Ossetia are bound to shock and pain anyone. Already, thousands of people have died, tens of thousands have been turned into refugees, and towns and villages lie in ruins. Nothing can justify this loss of life and destruction. It is a warning to all.

The roots of this tragedy lie in the decision of Georgia's separatist leaders in 1991 to abolish South Ossetian autonomy. This turned out to be a time bomb....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081101372.html

Oldseahag

Petitioning for her name to be put in nomination is counter productive. Insistence on that move could force the powers that be to try to go for a vote by acclimation rather than a simple roll call. A floor fight over a vote by acclimation would be the weapon the Republicans could use about a "divided" party. Of course I happen to think that the PUMAs are Republicans just making trouble.

In a roll call, the name does not have to be put in nomination for the delegates to vote for that person. That is why Hillary is not signing the request to put her name in nomination but is also calling for the roll call.

Nice and peaceful, makes the point, everybody goes home almost happy.

I apologize, Craig, but one last Edwards observation, when viewing the "film" Ms. Hunter made of Edwards (it appears to be on the plane)...it reminded me of pillow talk between the two. So, obvious to me and I am sure Mrs. Edwards picked-up on the vibe. He was eye-f*cking her. I am surprised they both weren't seen smoking a cig after a few minutes.

Chloe

"The roots of this tragedy lie in the decision of Georgia's separatist leaders in 1991 to abolish South Ossetian autonomy. This turned out to be a time bomb....."

That could well be true, but the even bigger time bomb is that lovely little oil pipeline out of the Black Sea that runs through Georgia . Russia doesn't like the fact that it can't shut off oil to Europe because that pipe line isn't under their control, so they have been bombing the cities along that line even though that is not disputed territory.

Blonde,
Edwards arranging for them to spend all that time together makes it all even worse. Insult to injury. I have no idea how Elizabeth has dealt with all this. Edwards could have had his little fling without ensuring that all the details would be so public. There's something sinister about the way he did it.

Agree Jamie.

Excellent Der Spiegel article via Salon re Georgian invasion and European reactions

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/11/putin_politics/index.html?source=newsletter

Jason....I used to have one vote...but through careful geographic manipulation, it is now equal to .78 of a vote. Yep, what I do in November with my less than one, lousy vote will be interesting. I had promised to hold my nose and vote for the dem choice when it appeared to be Obama. But, with moles like Mark and Patty in the Clinton campaign, I just can't shake the feeling this was another stolen moment in politics. I am still very uneasy with Obama and McCain is just plain, painful to watch. I guess I need to get over my co-dependency with politics.

Jamie, From what I have learned a name has to be put into nomination as well on the ballot otherwise it is purely symbolic. I am a PUMA and have never voted for a Republican in my life. I came know many others during the primary and they certainly were not Republicans. I think this whole thing about PUMAs being Republicans is that is what the media would like us to believe.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-being-on-ballot-is-not-enough.html

Most corporations pay no income tax

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hK6PvUKazIU7T7oE7Qe-cJwP5rogD92GL1U00

Just to put up the conservative arguement: No company would pay income tax even if they didn't escape them through loopholes, because they always pass through costs to the consumer and thus all taxes are paid by individuals it's just a lot of those taxes are hidden in the price of products.

Oldseahag

The PUMAs may not have started out that way, but the Republicans have definitely jumped on the bandwagon. PUMA is being used as well as scads of similar groups created i.e. "Dems for Hillary". I receive tons of email that start off sounding like disaffected HIllary voters that then pitch for McCain money.

The roll call always counts. Of course she won't win short of a total Obama meltdown prior to the convention and a whole lot of vote changing, but her delegates will be officially counted in a way they never would be in a voice vote.

I am looking forward to the next installment of both campaign's "My Big, Fat VP Vetting." I am sure I will be truly disappointed again with politics as usual.

I had such high hopes for this year's campaign and I feel like I am caught in the spam bin grease trap. I guess I am holding my nose a lot earlier than I had planned.

"The release of these internal Clinton memos is the most damning counter to any charge that she was the best option. All they did was further highlight how unqualified she was to manage the strong personalities on her staff. "

Have you ever worked for corporate America, bear? Strong personalities battle it out all the time. All Hillary did was ignore them and refuse to go for the Un-American meme. What's wrong with that?

BW

Come sit by me. We can cry on each other's shoulder. I'm coming to terms with Obama despite feeling that he is totally unprepared for the job as well as all the party machinations to injure Clinton as much as possible. I'm disgusted with Dean, Brazille and company. Definitely clothespin on the nose time with hopes that he gets a decent cabinet because if they shut out Clinton as VP, the rest of this campaign is going to be about exciting as cold mush.

Jamie...I'm there. I still remember the great job Donna Brazille did with the Gore campaign...she sucked then as she does now.

McCain is making an excellent speech about Georgia. He is making the most of his expertise in European matters.

Wow. You guys don't understand how this works, do you? You think Hillary will get 1800 votes during a roll call? Nope. She'll get a few hundred, mainly because all of the rest of her delegates will back Obama. It'll not be proud moment, but an embarrassing moment for her.

And Bear, these "I won't vote for Obama" people aren't rational, so don't sweat it. Talking with crazy people (sitting out elections; voting for anti-abortion candidates after declaring ones loyalty for a pro-choice one, etc.) only makes you crazy.

Dorgan wants to withdraw Iraq money
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) said today that he wants $10 billion of U.S. funds that have been so far unpsent on Iraqi reconstruction rescinded, citing Iraq's ballooning budget surplus. Dorgan wants to use the money for domestic renewable energy production instead.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/

Jamie,

Please, shed a tear for Clinton. Not only did she have EVERY advantage, she had the name recognition, the experts and the infrastructure. And they blew it all. So don't get mad because people like Dean refused to help her out. Donna Brazille had the right to stay neutral or go with Obama if she wished. Face it. Clinton's campaign was a disaster and incompetent. The faster you realize that, the easier it will be to understand why she lost.

"It never ceases to amaze me at the selfishness of her voters. You claim that Obama supporters are cultists and I say Bullshit. I don't know any who would have voted for McCain...I guess that makes the Obama people the truer Democrats because they would still vote like one had their choice failed to get the nom..."

And I say bullshit here, bear. What if in my heart of hearts, I believe that Obama has shown himself to be willing to damage Roe, sneer at woman and treat them like second class citizens? What if I believe he is in bed with big business every bit as much as McCain?

I won't vote for McCain, but I don't think our own candidate is worth a plugged nickel.

Selfish? BS.

Wow...selfish voters elect selfish candidates. What a concept.

Interesting article from Huffington about the "false balance" given to voter projections by the media in order to have a "close" horse race to report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/the-medias-problem-of-fal_b_118420.html

Mr. Dem...there is a difference between losing by a hair and losing by a landslide. The sooner you understand the difference, the easier it will be for you to understnad why so many question the "loss?"

Mr. Dem...after the debacle of the 2000 presidential election as decided by the Supreme Court, we should all question what it means to "lose." Especially when Florida is involved.

MD

I acknowledged a long time ago the deficiencies in the Clinton campaign. My comments were to the back stabbing and double dealing of the party. The phony math used to deprive voters of equal representation and a caucus system that amounted to little more than thuggery in many areas.

I'm perfectly willing to see Clinton's flaws though I think once she gave the boot to the trouble makers, she had a very well run but too late campaign that truly reflected her expertise.

None of the above makes me respect Axelrod's Chicago's machine or makes me believe that Sen. Obama is ready for the Presidency despite all of his good qualities, and they are many and significant, He is simply to inexperienced on the national and international scene and too much a product of the image makers. My only hope is that he will win, will grow into the job, and will have a great cabinet to assist his decision making. That and hoping the wheels of that bus roll over Axelrod's head.

I love it. Our President is in China patting volleyball players and the French President is in Russia. George is such a totally useless schmuck but at least he may stay out of trouble or do no worse than fall in a swimming pool.

Notice with MD as with a good many Obamabots it is about HRC

Time after time after time. They are the ones who are trying to keep the HRC stuff alive. With out her they have no reason to support Obama.

Jack

This is a phrase that I really despise: " that dog won't hunt".

I have heard it used in political circles for years and somehow it strikes me as unsophisticated, uneducated and a form of uncouth slang. I am not sure if I can really finger WHY I dislike this phrase, but I do. Probably since being in Europe for 10 years, it's something I don't really hear in European and UK English. I remember Republicans using that phrase against Kerry in 2006 and I really bristled. It just sounds like something that the two mountain men in Deliverance would say.

Silly post today, but it was what I first reacted to after reading comments...

Oh and Craig, I am glad Obama issued a statement. I believe if he just remained in "vacation mode" during this potential crisis, he would be seen as a totally oblivious amateur, and that obviously is not an image any of us want to see projected (well most of us anyway).

More interested in the Emails from the old Clinton campaign. The whole crew could join Adult Children From Dysfuntional Political Families (ACDPF) . I am convinced that several 12 step interventions could still be helpful :) ... except for Mark Penn... I think some people lack the basic skills of rehabilitation.

Cheers,

Isaac Hayes? I thought "Never Can Say Goodbye," was a Donny Osmond song.

As for BO, we go across the pond to find his support, again.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/08/tuesday_miscellany.html

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7011915343

Jamie

It is the new world order baby bush style.

What one group of people have done to this country in eight years . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .

Jack

ah I just googled "That Dog Won't Hunt"

2. that dog don't hunt
12 up, 35 down
pseudo-country-bumpkin wisdom uttered in response to news item or rumor designed to scandalize a political opponent.

The idea is that the rumor is either very easily refuted or is unimportant to the public, and thus is as worthless as a dog who won't hunt.

****

Aha! So it is as I viewed it. In honor of "that dog won't hunt" I offer this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPcXX2dKJCI

"pseudo-country-bumpkin wisdom "

Tom about that definition
Sorry but that dog don't hunt.

Jack

Ice, Ice Baby

:) Jack

"That Dog Won't Hunt"

That expression makes perfect sense to me.

Shutting down...

"...BP PLC said it shut down an oil pipeline that runs through Georgia ..."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSy9sHVh-fPOSfbGrR2TADIYWvbgD92GR8000

"WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans are poised to shut down the government if they are not allowed a vote on new oil drilling legislation.

This comes even as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi indicated she could budge on allowing a drilling vote, which so far she and her Senate counterpart have blocked from seeing daylight in Congress."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402101,00.html

Chloe

until I replyed with my bit of sillyness to Tom I hadn't realised that the grammar had been cleaned up in Toms version. where as my version is in full Ozark dialect.

Tom
On the "that dog don't hunt" it is also a way of telling some one they are full of **it with out having to fight your way out of the room.

Jack

For lovers of history, this weird twist on the modern court system and its application to African Americans facing trial for murder and drug trafficing is fascinating. It's long but worth the read.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0805.carey.html

There is nothing "pseudo" or funny about a non hunting dog. The lucky ones got adopted by someone as a pet. Most got killed as a useless mouth to feed.

Really Jack? My Texas born and bred grandfather said it all of the time. Does that make him a part of the club?

until I replyed with my bit of sillyness to Tom I hadn't realised "that the grammar had been cleaned up in Toms version. where as my version is in full Ozark dialect."

To tell the truth, Jack, I didn't notice until I read yours either. I don't use the expression, but it still makes perfect sense to me.

Another little opinion piece I don't really like reading, but I do agree with the last line: "If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."

Hillary's psychological bloc
Hillary Clinton's supporters seem to want some kind of 'catharsis' at the Democratic convention.

"More likely, uncompromising Clinton supporters will experience those emotions not when Clinton is given her due but when Obama officially clinches the nomination.

The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story

So Jamie, let's agree to this:

Hillary ran a terrible campaign that included many incompetent advisors and failed to take decisive action to correct it until it was too late. However, she probably would have been the most competent candidate if she'd made it that far.

Obama ran a brilliant campaign, avoiding all of the drama that plagued the Clinton campaign, and showed that he understood message discipline, while successfully navigating minefields like the Reverend Wright debacle, which could have sunk other campaigns. However, he's less experienced than Clinton and will have to grow on the job.

Can we agree on that?

Real Clear electoral map

238 to 163

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Is His Legal Name Obama or Soetoro?

"There is now evidence indicating that his actual valid Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii says Barry Soetoro. That was the Indonesian identity that Obama acquired when Lolo Soetoro adopted him.

It seems that Obama put a fake Birth Certificate on his official campaign website because he wanted to hide his Indonesian identity from us, including his Muslim background and that pesky Constitutional dual-citizenship matter.

... our researchers have been unable to locate the public record showing that Barry Soetoro legally changed his name back to Barack Obama."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/is-his-legal-name-obama-or-soetoro-act-now/

MD

That's pretty close. You didn't mention one aspect that was totally the doing of the Democratic party that Obama took advantage of and Hillary's team failed to consider.

The weighted vote that meant she could take the majority of the popular vote, but he could end up with more or equal electoral votes just by virtue of location of those votes. This is where Obama's voter registration, GOTV activities made a big big difference particularly when combined with the one-sided AA vote.

Manipulation of the Caucus system again via use of the overwhelming AA partisanship plus some shenanigans with the Richardson and Edwards contingent that amounted to threatening or shutting out the Clinton voters. (I saw this first hand in Washington). It was a masterful exercise by the Obama team unless you have an objection to voter intimidation.

I don't begrudge the AA voter majority and can appreciate the desire to finally vote for a talented man of their own. I do object to the Democratic party rules that made it possible to literally steal delegates. When combined with the Florida and Michigan rulings and the power play four vote theft by the rules committee, I feel that the fact Clinton fought back to as close as she came was damn near a miracle.

I think the absolute least her delegates deserve is the chance to cast their votes for her. What they really deserve unless Obama is too petty is her as the VP nominee to give them a reason to make the ticket a landslide.

Jamie, iI think Bills comment indicates that the Clintons knew about this or at least know about it now.

Jamie, I think Bills comment indicates that the Clintons knew about this or at least know about it now.

MD

Texas is part of the Arc

Jack

Gordo

"... our researchers have been unable to locate the public record showing that Barry Soetoro legally changed his name back to Barack Obama."

This is so incredibly stupid. You are free to call yourself anything you want as long as there is no intent to defraud. I have a few years of school records under a different name than that on my birth certificate simply because of my mother's fourth marriage. No adoption, but it was easier to use the stepfather's last name. Once away from that situation I returned to my birth name.

A lot of divorcee's go back to their birth name (I did) without taking any legal action other than requesting a new Social Security card and Driver's License. No legal action required.

The name isn't so much the question, it is the dual citizenship

Jamie

Your situation is not uncommon. I remember a friend of mine that took the name of his step father for a while in jr high I believe. I don't know if any official records were changed but the teachers went along with his request. He was very close to his step father until his step fathers death even though his mother had divorced and moved on.

Jack

And there is always Bobby Jindal. Who took his first name off the tv show the brady bunch.

Jack

Jamie,

One thing the Atlantic article pointed out was that the Clinton campaign didn't contest states that Obama would win, therefore lowering their delegate counts in counties that voted for Clinton, making her delegate margin even lower. That, according to the Clinton notes, was due to a lack of ground campaign planning and a calculation that the race would be over by Super Tuesday. But don't blame Obama for playing and winning. Clinton was like a football team that kept passing, while avoiding their running game. And then after the game complains when they lose to a team that kept intercepting their passes and ran the ball down their throats. You play the card you're dealt.

While Obama had the AA vote (not at the start, I like to remind folks. Clinton had that until they messed that up too.), Hillary also had the older white woman advantage. But because her staff was so dysfunctional, they lost the younger white women to Obama who gravitated more toward his message of change versus the clarion call of gender.

Mr. D

"She'll get a few hundred, mainly because all of the rest of her delegates will back Obama"

Actually no. She has never officially released them. As a matter of honor that means they should vote for her on the first ballot as they are pledged to do. The SDs are another matter as they are not bound by any elective process. I would suspect that she would end up with the votes she won, but fewer than what was credited to her due to the switch of at least some of those SDs originally slated for her that switch to Obama.

Of course, now if something truly horrendous came out about Sen. Obama (not expected or desired), all of the SDs could switch to her which would make her the nominee because neither of them could win the nomination without them on just the votes garnered in primaries and caucuses.

I intend to vote for a Democrat in November. It won't be Barack Obama.

Jamie

If there is a role call, I look for a way for the SD's to sit out. I suspect a great many of them don't want to have to be on the record. It is a losing proposition.

Jack

Gordo, That right wing crud about dual citizenship is so insane, I can't believe any sane person believing even a word of it. It's nothing more than a vote getting operation addressed to the far right, evangelical, white power, and tin hat types.

"far right, evangelical, white power, and tin hat types."

Jamie
I don't think it even has that much appeal.
Just one of those wierd internet things, if not for the power of the net we would have never heard about it.

Jack

Why would Bill Clinton make the strange comment last week "if he qualifies under the Constitution"?

Oregon Democrat,

I'd suggest you stay home and watch the election. Your vote is meaningless.

Jamie,

She'll still get considerably less than the 1800 her supporters think will show up for her. And you might be surprised by how honor takes a lesser role compared to political practicality.

My voting record:

1972-McGovern..knew we would lose
1976-Jimmy Carter
1980-Jimmy Carter
1984-Walter Mondale..would have been a good leader
1988-Michael Dukakis
1992-Bill Clinton
1996-Bill Clinton
2000-Al Gore
2004-John Kerry
2008-Will vote for a Democrat I respect..not Obama

Oregon Democrat, voter for the Lost Cause!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Obama is replaced as the nominee sometime before November...It would be advisable to not nominate him at all.

Jamie are you running for president and is Obama a divorcee? Muhammad Ali changed his name LEGALY, one must take LEGAL action to change one's LEGAL NAME. !
Your comparisons are stupid!

Hey Oregon Democrat,

I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon decided that it wants to secede from the Union and join Canada.

My first political experience was in 1960 when our mother got us up early to go see John Kennedy speak from the back of a train. He looked different than any person I have ever seen....so dynamic..full of life..so smart. Even though he was young, he had so much life experience, just like so many of that generation.

I have a fabric print of the wonderful Norman Rockwell Kennedy portrait in my living room.

I think this whole election has brought us to a sad state, democrats threatening other democrats, name calling or just being plain rude. Love that unity and hope.

Geez, Craig, you drove old Imus to apoplexy today.
I don't now why I felt the same way you do about Edwards, regarding Clinton, but I feel very differently about Edwards.
I agree with Flatus. Somehow Edwards seems so much more disgusting. Now, however, since Elizabeth Edwards has forgiven him, maybe we should lighten up on him...it's just that that flirting video on that campaign bus is SO CREEPY !

If Obama’s name is really Barry Soetoro, his primary results are all disqualified and he is not the nominee

"... if it’s true that Obama’s name is actually “Barry Soetoro”, as it increasingly seems (and as it’s recorded on his birth certificate), then any time he’s been listed on a ballot as “Barack Obama” has been a fraud, and those results should be disqualified.

If appearing on a ballot under a name different from your legal name disqualifies someone from office, then Obama/Soetoro would not only lose the votes cast for him in the Democratic primaries, but would also lose his Senate seat in Illinois, since those votes were cast for a “Barack Obama”, when in fact the man calling himself “Barack Obama” is legally “Barry Soetoro”.

When exactly did Barry Soetoro start calling himself Barack Obama, and why didn’t he go through the proper legal steps to change his name?

And, if he DID in fact legally change his name, why hasn’t he disclosed this?"

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/breaking-if-obamas-name-is-really-barry-soetoro-his-primary-results-are-all-disqualified-and-he-is-not-the-nominee/

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/wag-the-bear.html#comment-127251

oldseahag, Is this what you're talking about? Or is there more? It doesn't sound like we'll hear more until after the convention.

What Bill Clinton Really Thinks About Obama's Candidacy
"I think everybody's got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution,'' he said today on Good Morning America. Also, he promised that as soon as the election in November is over, he'll have lots more to say. Can't wait.
Published Monday, August 04, 2008 6:46 PM by Melinda Henneberger Slate

Old Sea Hag

"Why would Bill Clinton make the strange comment last week "if he qualifies under the Constitution"? "

That isn't what he said. He said, "The Constitution sets the qualifications for President" speaking about anyone running for the office. In addition, he said a whole lot of complimentary things about Sen. Obama's talents that somehow got cut out of most media reports in order to twist it into another Clinton hate tirade.

People forget what a total policy wonk Pres. Clinton is. Ask him the time and he will build you a watch thinking that you are as fascinated by the nitty gritty of the details as he is. That makes it easy for a reporter to pick and choose the most damning of remarks from amid the conversation. It got him in trouble during Primary season and is still getting him in trouble.

My first political experience was in 1960 when our mother got us up early to go see John Kennedy speak from the back of a train. Oregon Democrat | August 12, 2008 2:14 PM

What a great memory Oregon. And what a great mother.

It got him in trouble during Primary season and is still getting him in trouble. Posted by: Jamie | August 12, 2008 2:27 PM

Not in trouble with those who support him Jamie. The media will invent things, if necessary. But most don't us no longer take them at their word, at least not without verification.

Chloe..Yes..Politics was always a big part of our home growing up. I've never understood people who find politics boring. It can be hearbreaking at times, but it is worth it.
I've never understood people not voting.

One thing I always look for in candidates is empathy. They may be imperfect just like the rest of us. In current times it is getting more difficult to find people running for office who honor and appreciate the work by people in the past. Being self-cengtered is celebraged. We'll just have to keep up the good fight.

He did say that, here is the exact quote:

BILL CLINTON: I'm not. And I never was mad at Senator Obama. I think everybody's got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2008/08/04/abcs-kate-snow-tells-bill-clinton-feel-free-not-answer-my-question

I find it curious.

Boss Tweed

Muhammed Ali did it legally to reflect his change of religion and to claim a military status. That required the legal action to avoid charges of trying to defraud the government.

Barack Obama was his legal name on his birth certificate. It is what his mother named him. She had no relationship with Soetero until several years later. He used or went by Barry Soetero or Barry Obama at later dates during his youth to be more comfortable socially. His legal name is still Barack Obama and there is no need to alter that condition.

As I said, I can call myself Petunia Periwinkle, get identification under the new name, work, file tax returns etc. As long as there is no criminal intent to defraud, there is no crime. For most activities it is still a better idea to get a legal change simply for tracking records.

I understand that Tullulah Willis is changing her name legally to Lula Willis because she doesn't like the name daddy Bruce Willis stuck her with. At some later date someone could come along and find copies of an "original" birth certificate and a "revised" birth certificate. That wouldn't mean they are two separate people or that she wouldn't be free to use either name.

Your comment about empathy makes me realize why you support Hillary. Character is the most important qualitfication in choosing politicians. We're required to give them a lot of trust, since we're not involved in the day to day choices they make on our behalf.

that was to oregon

oldseahag,
I watched that interview---what you initial said was/is accurate--Jamie doesn't know what she's talking about-but she'll find a quote, any quote to say someone else is wrong..

Jamie, how is it you know everything about everything--how do you compare you're life experiences with someone running for office!

"Obama ran a brilliant campaign, avoiding all of the drama that plagued the Clinton campaign, and showed that he understood message discipline, while successfully navigating minefields like the Reverend Wright debacle, which could have sunk other campaigns. "

TRANSLATION: He's a phony and backed by the Chicago machine.

Boss/Sea Hag

There was no "if" in the Clinton statement. It was generic. "The Constitutions sets the qualifications for President". You can twist it any way you like but there was no intimation in that interview that Sen. Obama was not legally entitled to run for the office.

Jamie, now you're an expert of the inner working of Muhammad Ali's psyche? You really are full of yourself!

Yes Chloe that is what I am referring to and if we hear about it before the election, it won't be from the Clintons. I suspect that it is something the Repubs are saving for Oct., but I do wonder if he was alluding to that issue.

Seahag - do you think Obama is not legally eligible to run for Prez? what is curious?

There you go Patsi. Making me laugh again. Plus, you're right.

TRANSLATION: He's a phony and backed by the Chicago machine.

Posted by: Patsi | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM

Jamie, Why don't you call yourself "I Know Everything" it will certainly reflect your persona.

"I do wonder if he was alluding to that issue."

oldseahag, I don't know exactly why he said it. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're right. The really interesting stuff won't be coming out until AFTER the election. Can just see the movie now. There will be plenty of surprises, I'm sure.

Boss

I've worked on several campaigns and I don't know everything about everything but forty years as a researcher in one form or another means that I know a tiny bit about darn near everything in order to know where to go hunting for the rest of the information if needed.

No omniscience involved just a total generalist who is willing to listen to experts in any field in order to understand it. over the years a lot of the stuff stuck.

Fairly comprehensive Muhammed Ali biography with links to different aspects of his life. See parts on conversion to Islam, dealings with selective service and declaring himself to be a consciencious objector

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/mali1.html

I didn't need to do any mind reading.

Boss
As a person who does know everything, I must say Jamie comes very close and before I would disparage any comment of hers I would be sure I had nailed down my facts. That is if I didn't mind looking like a fool.

Jack

Wow

Boss see what I mean.
Do you need help reattaching that head you are holding? Nice platter too.

Jack

Ha! By Patsi's thinking, then we should say that:

Hillary's incompetent and wouldn't be where she is without Bill. Goose meet Gander.

Obama is over 35.

He has been a permanent resident of the US for more than 14 years.

Is he not American? Is that what you imply?

Are you doing McCains work for him?

Article Two of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications to be eligible for election as President. A Presidential candidate must:
be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

Additionally, the Constitution disqualifies some people from the Presidency. Under Article One of the United States Constitution, the Senate has the option, upon conviction, of disqualifying impeached individuals from holding other federal offices, including the Presidency.[4] Under the Twenty-Second Amendment, no one can be elected President more than twice. The Twenty-Second Amendment also specifies that anyone who serves more than two years as President or Acting President, of a term for which someone else was elected President, can only be elected President once. Under the Twelfth Amendment a person who is no longer eligible to be President may not be Vice President either.

source - wikipedia

Or she is not and Bill would been the helpless dufuss he looked like at the 88 convention, without her brains.

Jack.

GetHelp,
finaly a voice of reason. Of course the princes of trail mix (jamie) always has the last word and her resident brown nose Jack always inputs his irrelevant two cents.

LOL
Boss that slap to the head must still be hurting. Can't say you haven't been warned. If you want to run with the big dogs ya got to learn to take your licks and stop the whine.

Jack

The name isn't so much the question, it is the dual citizenship

Posted by: oldseahag | August 12, 2008 1:44 PM

you should call yourself smearhag.

Clinton not convention keynote

Contrary to some early reporting, Hillary Clinton's Tuesday night speech at the Democratic National Convention won't be the event's "keynote speech," a defining convention role occupied in 2004 by Sen. Barack Obama.

The Convention Committee never actually put that out, but it's been fairly widely reported (and, in a few cases, corrected).

Clinton "is one of four prime-time headline speakers. We will have a separate keynote speaker," said Jenny Backus, a consultant to the convention. "Stay tuned."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Clinton_not_convention_keynote.html

Mary

Everybody needs a hobby, worrying about Obamas birth certificate is as good as any. I know people who have crazier ones.

Jack

Mary, I don't know what or if it was to mean anything. It just seems to be falling in line with questions being raised about Obama vis a vis his birth certificate. We are learning now that the Clinton campaign had a tape and didn't release it. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are other issues lurking that they do know about

I got chatting with someone at the Clinton headquarters last week. I made it known that I am supporting the work of The Denver Group, consider Hillary's hands tied being the faithful Democrat that she is and that now is the time for her supporters to say and do for her what she can't regarding putting her name into nomination and on the roll call. She replied "I think you are exactly right"

Mary, you should call yourself b****

What harm is there in asking questions?

"For those who have not followed this story, Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at that time.

We assert that Barry Soetoro acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it.

The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website ... and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/

Habeas corpus

Wow name calling, sorry I tried to honestly answer your question.

Wow name calling, sorry I tried to honestly answer your question.
Posted by: oldseahag Author Profile Page | August 12, 2008 3:23 PM

Who was that directed at?

a pedibus usque ad caput ?

Sorry Chloe for not specifying- it was mean't for Mary who reduced herself to calling me smearhag

seahag - I appreciate the honest answer, really I do. Thank you. but a smear is a smear. Is it believable someone would fight so hard over Florigan if they knew the otehr was not even eleigible under the constit? Clinton campaign did some dumb stuff but that is insane.

do you see the problem?

oldseahag, I have no way of knowing what all of that was about. But I personally appreciated your story, and can see no problem with asking questions. Say or ask whatever you want and don't let anyone try to make you feel guilty about it. It's just their way of stopping you.

I see the blog piranhas are biting...let them eat tofu.

so it is worse to call someone names than pass along bad information that is a lie? Lie is a lie. if I said soemthing bad about Obama uyou would like me.

BW

When we lived in Panama, Stinky and I used to make our own tofu--from scratch. No piranhas but lots of sharks; didn't get close enough to ask if they liked tofu.

That's not true Mary. If you go back and look at how this started (which I just did) all I can find is oldsea asking one question - a simple one. (I, for one, already like you.) We've all lost our tempers here at one time or another.

Mary, well I guess I'm insane, even went to DC all the way from MA to protest at the Rules & Bi-laws Committee Meeting.

I am aware of all the bc stuff, don't have a whole lot of credence in it, yet found it to be a strange thing for Big Dawg to say and wonder why he did. I would imagine one who knew something of the bc issue might qualify his statement as he did.

Flatus
good news -- the floods in the midwest did not hurt the soybean crop this year...should be a good crop. I use a lot of tofu, but buy it already made. I am impressed you had the patience to make tofu.

Thank you Chloe.

BW

Didn't sell it in the markets. It was fun, actually. Wouldn't be surprised if we still have the junk we made to do it.

OSH

Was that you standing up in the back raising all kinds of hell?? If it was, good for you!

I marinate sliced (firm) tofu and grill...

Flatus- were you there too?

This little child will become a physiological basket case because her parents didn't bother to take advantage of the free dental care provided by the government. Now if this was the US, the child might even be able to sue her own parents because of their obvious neglect, but this is China, and the child in question is after all just a female.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2545387/Beijing-Olympics-Faking-scandal-over-girl-who-sang-in-opening-ceremony.html

thank you chloe.

dont think Clinton would have conceeded if any possbilty Obama not eliglble or legal challenge could happen.

" By Patsi's thinking, then we should say that:"

Mr. D is being deliberately obtuse....or....maybe he really....uh

OSH

Was riveted to the TV--high drama!

I agree Mary.

BW

Stinky makes the world's best bean sprout soup with tofu. Must use soybean sprouts and firm tofu and lots of other stuff. Really, very, very tasty.

Many people don't realize how versatile tofu is.

We had more trouble sprouting soybeans--among the more difficult things (for us) to sprout. But, still worth the effort.

looks like some from the back channel are bored with Sheila's post over there.... oh well.....

Blonde wino... glad to hear that someone's crops are doing ok....
we've had so much rain here in the northeast that everyone's garden has rotted.... wouldn't mind if I could go to the local farmer's market and get fresh veggies, but their gardens have all rotted too....

I didn't know Isaac Hayes had died until this morning. As for "Never Can Say Goodbye", it was originally a big hit for the Jackson 5. However, Motown wouldn't release it as a single because it sounded too grown up for the Jackson 5. Frustrated producers blasted the song over the speakers in the Motown office. Berry Gordy asked who was singing that song. When told it was the Jackson 5 and that others in the company wouldn't release it as a single, he said, "That song is a hit!" He forced the song to be released as a single.

The Russian Empire Strikes Back
Russia's invasion of Georgia has less to do with South Ossetia and more about a Russia that never reconciled itself to losing an empire — or being treated like a second rate power all these years. Russia's resentment has only grown as oil prices have risen, turning Russia, with the five million barrels of oil it exports a day, into a first-world economic power. It was only a matter of time, then, before Russia taught the world a lesson.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1831857,00.html

Jamie, Isn't this story closer to what you were talking about this morning?

Yeah Corey. It was a pretty big shock to hear about Isaac Hayes this weekend. I actually found out here on this site.

Flatus
my hubby likes tofu, too. good health benefits for men and women.

RR
My corn failed (I fed the small cobs to the birds and turtles). But, my tomatoes, squash, beans were great. My sunflowers are still blooming.

I am going to buy my green chile at a local farm...much better than I can grow.

I haven't figured out why all the produce is not as good this year (at all the markets). More money too. I figured maybe they're shipping it less often and often it looks like it's spoiling by the time you buy it. It's been a disappointment.

Flatus=It was a pisser of a day,energy was incredible. What a huge let down though that night. I have some videos if you ever want to see them.

Hillary suspended not conceded her campaign. In doing so I think she carefully left a door open.

Chloe

Yes. There are four pipelines that run through Georgia. Three of them are now shut down. Kurds attacked one awhile back causing it to be shut off, others are protective measures.

As always it is about oil, who owns it, and who controls it.

A Tad Short Of 99%
"Every sex scandal, it seems, comes with its own catchphrase, a linguistic contortion destined to outlive our memory of the seamy details: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Or "wide stance." Now comes former -- and, I think it's safe to say, not future -- presidential candidate John Edwards with his own distinctive concept: 99 percent honesty."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081102016.html

Have a good evening!

And many of the US power brokers are up to their necks in involvement with oil in that part of the world...Cheney Mika's dad (not going to try to spell their last name), Rumsfeld, etc. Read Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill if you'd like to know more.

The Russian ambassador in New York sounds like a replay of Bagdhad Bob ...

CNN: Has the bombing stopped?

Ambassador: Well the Russian president has ordered it stopped if there are no provocations.

CNN: Yes but are bombings currently taking place?

Ambassador: We have ordered the military withdrawal back to Aug 6 lines, but our peacekeepers will stay on the ground.

HW

I always just go for ZBig :-)

Jamie

Only partly about oil imo. But a great deal about a demonstration of power to all those trouble some breakaways from the old USSR. Just a reminder to eastern Europe that the devil is close and the USA is far away.

Jack

just before my fair started I relaxed by watching some reruns of South Park on Comedy Central..... I finally got to see the episode where they killed off Chef.... started to wish they'd bring him back as Chef has always been my favorite character on that show..... how sad that that now can't happen.....

I don't remember who said "oil is a four letter word" on this blog the other day.....
but who ever you are..... you were spot on!

Wise choice, Jamie...but thanks to Morning Joe, at least most everyone knows who Mika's dad is.... However, Zbig would have been much faster to type. Hmmmm....

Jack

Oil is important, but you are right. It is just the rope they are using for the tug of war.

Russian didn't take kindly to all those Eastern European countries wanting to change their allegiance as soon as the chance arose.

Putin put a stop to all that glasnost business and now his puppet Medvedev is trying to tighten the noose on former possessions.

Fry -- per your link -- China is becoming more "American" every day....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/2545387/Beijing-Olympics-Faking-scandal-over-girl-who-sang-in-opening-ceremony.html

Jamie

I think we can trust the Russians to take every oppotunity that come their way to dominate Europe. Right now they have the EU by the short hairs with the EU's reliance on energy from Russia.
As you said it is about oil but not in the old leftist manner of corporate dominance. A good many foriegn policy issues in the 21st century will be about energy. Just a sad fact of life. Our civilization is built on machine production and that takes energy.

Jack

vacation update
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080812/NEWS05/808120360/0/LOCALNEWSFRONT
willi k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeNHvJPF2g&feature=related

Patsi

There are certain things in this world that really piss me off. That story is one of them. I'm not Chinese and I don't know the little girl. But to be dropped at the last second because some politician found her teeth too ugly.
If I was the ruler of the Universe..................

Jack

Patd

Those vacation links make me hope there will be some Hawaiian entertainment at the convention. It would be fun to see some flaming swords flying around the place plus a little body slapping and hip swinging. I wonder if Obama can hula?

Sonny Ching kumu hula from O'ahu
performs 'O Ke Ahi Lonomakua

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puelcyhsXQ0

BTW

With all this noise about nominating Clinton (which she has not requested) and/or a roll call (which she has requested) here is how the delegates for each state is pledged and how they would be expected to vote on a first ballot directly from the convention website

http://www.demconvention.com/certified-delegates-ec

Gethelp

You don't have to care. I just happen to have a fondness for Democracy and accurate counting of votes. If you don't care about recording votes accurately, then be my guest and go to work for Diebold. I'm sure they will be glad to relieve you of the responsibilities connected with freedom.

Get help......care or dont care, as you will......who cares?

Craig.......palm tree was exactly the image........after the big blow, it's still there.........I've also been thru a hurricane or two......oak or pine tree just wouldnt have been the picture.......

Clintonista = Collective Insanity
---Gethelp

Get help<~~~~~~~~~Jerkoff

Sturge
just a troll baby.
Not a very good one at that.

Jack

Those who know how to win are much more numerous than those who know how to make proper use of their victories.
Polybius (205 BC - 118 BC), History

Troll baby

Sorry to hear that, they can do wonders with medication these days

Jack

Youre Making:.......
glad to see youre exercising self-help and are making such positive progress in your auto diagnosis......keep up the good work and you will someday no longer be a wooden puppet but rather a real live little boy........It does my heart good to see people work to better themselves......

Sturge

Cross my fingers but I think we are down to one they have become too bored with us to flock in all at once>

Jack

that'd be the good news.....bad news is, it's probably the same one........oy.

Do you suppose they are clones? The Borg? Daleks? Some poor soul with multiple personalities talking to himself?

I am just reading yesterday's posts and admit I am a day late and a dollar short, but are you people serious? Elizabeth Edwards underwent hormone treatments after they lost their son so that she could provide John Edwards with another son, which is probably why she developed cancer and it is ok for him to then F some other woman while she is stricken with that cancer? Oh yes, I know she was in remission at the time -- well that's completely different then, isn't it? Of course, he can still serve in an Obama administration everyone is piping in -- how politically correct and "live and let live" can we be? This is not just cheating -- this is over the top, despicable behavior. I thought we had had enough of this type of person in Washington. As James Carville said, if he wants to get 5% of the women's vote, sure he can run for something again. I personally think he's toast.

You're_making_fools_of_yourselves = Some poor soul with multiple personalities talking to himself?

He fell in love with himself at first sight and it is a passion to which he has always remained faithful. Self-love seems so often unrequited.

—Powell, Anthony Dymoke

The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story

Posted by: chloe | August 12, 2008 1:18 PM
=========================

I think it's already a tragedy ... all you have to do is look at this blog, not to mention ALL the BO's supporters blogs or watch the cable/msm news ...

Clinton Supporters are talked down too every day .. calling us "sore loosers" , "won't accept reality", wanting to change the rules. etc. etc, etc ....

When the suppporters of BO drown us out whenever we try to bring up facts, not wanting our voice to be heard at all, especially at the Convention ... The Tragedy is already HERE!!!

jmho,
vivian

CatBalu post is so true! Probably "stupid and ego-gratifying" rather than despicable behavior but everything else stands.

Richard Holbrooke was on Lou Dobbs really nailing the
Bush asministration for being so laid-back on the Russia-Georgia thing. He hit Condi Rice specifically and the fact that there was nothing much done at all with other diplomats. Holbrooke has such a calm and un-loud way of speaking that he carries a lot of weight, I think. Of course, he could really be a monster.

Oh, oh, breaking news : cease fire. Yeaj right.

***Are you doing McCains work for him?

Mary - I have to wonder whose work you are doing when you tell Americans they should not speak their minds? I have no part in that argument except that I
admire oldseahag and have enjoyed all her posts.
I have no opinion, tho, re the disagreement you two have - my only comment is that by telling others they should not speak, it seems to me that you are saying you can speak and they cannot.

***you should call yourself smearhag.

Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2008 3:11 PM

Sorry, but I think she was wondering, just as you were.

Hell, did I say "scum"? I meant to say essence of, uh......er......ordure................yeah, that's the ticket.......ordure...........

Hi Corey

Thinking about you and your family. Hope you are all at ease.

I'm glad to have been privvy to the back story of Corey's dad's passing......had it merely been a case of corey coming on and saying "dad died"....it would have been a whole different ball game from the way it is when I am somewhat allowed to be a part of the progress of this very human in-the-moment sharing of what corey was living thru every day, along with all the other events in his life with which he had to contend. Corey.....I'm confident that you have the situation well in hand, and will continue just so.

I'm glad to have been privvy to the back story

damn.....i'm full of gringly tonight......Im editing myself now, as I must......it should have read:

As it turns out, I have been privileged to have been privvy to the back story.

Craig,

Imus really ripped you a new one this morning for wanting to give John Edwards another chance. My own personal feelings aside, I have to say bless your heart. You gave *Imus* a second chance when he f@cked up the last time. I think Imus needs a lesson in irony, no?

Hey Sturg
Ya start drinking those martunies without me

Race weekend at MIS. No rooms at the inn for us.

There are about 50 voters here all democrats and we will vote for mccain, mo

KGC! How is your neighborhood? Are you completely in possession of a computer? I keep thinking maybe my poor little laptop is getting tired.

Along that line, can anybody tell me how to find instructions to linking? I was advised by someone to got to html link, which I did but also which made NO sense to me at all.

Also, is there a link to the Craig/Imus meeting this am?
I've also looked for that but can't find it. I will not watch even Craig interact with Herr Olbermann, but Imus I think I can handle.

Sorry to be such a pain in the ass with my inabilities with computer - but I DID get my little blue square back on my own. Okay, it was luck, but still............

Duke Ellington - Take the A Train (Ella Fitzgerald)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhK-zYfFsIY

Corey

Always something, how ya doing.
Been a rough day for you , I know. hang in there. The first day is probably the roughest.
Take care.

Jack

Count Basie One O'Clock Jump 1943

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUGwqRg0PBQ

Tomorrow will be a light day before everything for the next 3 days afterwards. The only problem arising now is that there is a race this weekend at MIS. Adrian is 30 minutes from MIS. All the hotel rooms within an hour or so of MIS are booked solid.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/give-edwards-a-break.html#comment-127012

Corey: will light candles to send warm
thoughts/ healing energy your way ...

viv

Bethy,
What is it you want to link?
Do you know how to link sites, etc?
If you can leave a message, I can try to help tomorrow.
Basically, all your doing is copy and pasting from the address bar in most cases.
Once you enter it, Craigs site will turn it into a link.

I guess we're gonna stay in Maumee, Ohio on Friday night.

Corey
This is a crazy time for you, I know.
wish I could help, but i'm half way across the country. All I can do is keep you and your family in my thoughts. Jack

My Father's obituary:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/announcements_obits/x1485136045/Milton-Doan-76

Bethy, see if this helps.

Copy And Paste URLs
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107019/stories/2002/04/12/copyAndPasteUrls.html

The link on Mr. Doan's obituary is a little wonkie. If you want to contribute to his book, the direct link is

http://www.lifestorynet.com/memories/39174/

kgc......yes......I must confess that when I was faced with the altoonity of making a martini........I made 3......and dared the cat to even so much as look at one.....

Bethy
My computer died and I'm still working off a friends waiting for my new one to arrive so the biggest problem is I can't log on to my own network and I'm just a the mercy of whatever is in the ether and I get kicked off a lot.
We had a huge community meeting last night almost everyone in the four block area came. The people from the Sheriff's dept were fairly useless. But now we have a email list and are thinking about a neighborhood blog.
There haven't been any break-ins since we posted the warnings. There is a lot of frustration and unhappiness with the police response.
The most important thing is for the Sheriff to keep us informed of ANY crime in our neighborhood so people can be warned if something is going on ...not two weeks later after 12 other people have been victimized.

just a thought......we dont drill for our oil......we deplete the oil of the auslanders and we KEEP our oil........for later when we really need it........reasonable or stupid?

Let's spend THEIR oil.

Sturgeone

You might check with the starving and brutalized Nigerians within their destroyed environment before you go for that option.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4803867

Sturg--haven't we been doing that for years? And even adding to our reserves by adding offshore oil to our strategic reserves.

Chloe - you are an angel, and so is whoever wrote that site. It was copyrighted in 2002 - I wonder where that guy is now. He should be making a fortune.

If anyone paid attention to the struggles several of us have had with Typekey, I just lost my little blue square again. I went to the SpyTalk blog again whcih asked me to sign in -- which this blog has never done -- and got my little blue square back.

I have a feeling that I jump around on the different sites etc, and that confuses the circuit or whatever. I am going to try to be careful from now on.

Oh, and the Spy Talk story is very interesting - maybe even frightening.