Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Sunday Morning ...

Julie

Senator Obama does not do well at town hall meetings? Seems he cannot talk to people about the issues spontaneously without the script, all t's crossed , i's dotted , down pat.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/Obama_agrees_to_three_fall_debates_chances_for_town_halls_dim.html?showall

Good Sunday Morning to everyone,

Craig, you looked handsome on the video wearing that classy, black jacket. But, I must admit, I haven't watched Olbermann for ages and haven't missed him.

That strawberry shake Obama was sipping sure made me crave one.

Wow. 32% of the population is overweight? Is that true?

I may disagree with Obama on a lot of issues, but his being thin and
in shape is not one of them. It shows he's disciplined. How could anyone
dislike him for that?

OH My...... Craig and KO..... OH MY.
go back and listen, Did you on purpose try to make it sound like this was a crafted piece on showing he is not one of us...... WAIT CRAIG...... This was a WSJ piece not a Republicain.

Have you now fallen for BHO, of does that open doors?

You failed on this by improper connection - which is a great Dem strategy

Correction, actually, I think Craig's video clip stated,

"32 % of the U.S. population is obese."

That's even more unbelievable. Not that I'm suggesting it isn't true, but
that seems like a lot of obese people.

This was a WSJ piece not a Republicain.

well, it's not exactly the daily worker, ping pong.

Skinny Innes ?
Worrying about by 2030 =obesity . Most of us are probably worrying about having to go on a diet.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Fitness/story?id=5499878&page=1

julie

"32 % of the U.S. population is obese."

prof m, and what percentage of these 32% are termed morbidly obese? no wonder the trans fat ban and get-the-kids-off-their-butts efforts are seriously being pushed by health care/insurance folk.

Hi Julie,

I wonder why so many kids in the U.S are considered obese. I also wonder
if obesity is a problem in other countries.

I saw a book by a French woman at Barnes and Noble entitled,
"French Women Don't Get Fat." I read some it while drinking a latte. The book was pretty interesting. It stated that most French women don't ever diet,
but eat what they want, just in small portions.

sorry, i forgot the flaming whatevers.

"This was a WSJ piece not a Republicain."
~~~well, it's not exactly the daily worker, ping pong~~~

Mornin' patd,

I know what you mean about the efforts by health care folks and insurance
companies to encourage healthy eating and exercise. I get it now.

Once upon a time as one traveled about on christmas day the streets were filled with the little kiddies dashing hither and yon on roller skates, trikes, and bicycles, wearing cowboy outfits and space helmets, etc.....travel about these days and it's like a ghost town.....all inside playing with electronic gizmos of all sorts.......

Patd... Perfect thanks A for you !!! Still F on this one for Craig.
True WSJ reflects the TRUE Republican Values more then anyother Press Outlet, and come on lets graph it OBH Mania is still as strong as it was against H Clinton.
Sad to see if Craig is going that way.....

sturgeone,

"the streets were filled with little kiddies. . ."

That's a huge reason why so many kids are overweight, I bet. They don't
walk or run around much.

These numbers on OBesity are the same I hear at Medical conference.
FACT - MEdical Imaging equipment is made for heavier weights and THICKER people based on the GROWING Problem in the US.

Is it not PC to make kids go exercise?

Is this a form of self imposed domestic terror? Think of outcomes....

Another point in Craigs Video TM today....

He missed the opportunity (opps on KO so no opportunity - as this is just entertainment not news or facts)
Craig missed the chance to show the facts on continued BHO Facade building - Everyone knows you go to Plant City in End of Feb, early March.

This is just more of the Facade, BHO should go to Disney as you know what is really behind those Mainstreet Buildings?

Hi Prof,

Yes It is a problem is some other countries as well.
And the sad thing is that some schools are now dropping physical education classes. Sturge is correct. The inactivity due to sitting and playing computer games for the younger kids and texting full time for teens. Our change in society.

Julie

Well this just prove the stupidity of people. Should I say this takes the cake?

America is obese, diabetes is soaring to epidemic levels....By the year 2030, 11.2 percent of U.S. adults are expected to have the condition. Obesity is the strongest modifiable risk factor for the development of type 2 diabetes.

Maybe we are seeing, why people think Obama is arrogant....because he's not a fat slob.

You'd think in a sane world that Obama would be praised for his healthy habits.

julie,

Do you know why some schools are dropping physical ed classes?
I find this shocking.

any idea of the whereabouts of this "sane world" of which you speak?

Prof Marcia,

There was an article on this subject not too long ago.
Not sure of the reason. I just remember it because of an incident from childhood. That same article did say that some other countries are also experiencing the same thing. Have you all really stopped and looked at all the sugar content in cereal? it is beyond belief. If they are not [utting sugar in, they are adding corn syrup which is just as bad or worse. Even the old standby, tomato soup now has corn syrup.

julie

It's been my experience that active parents have active children. Many time in public places you will see "fat families", fat children more times then not have fat parents.

Rarely do you see really fat children with fit parents.

(just my observation)

lol sturge - obviously not the WSJ

Warning: Conspiracy Theory

Maybe there's a conspiracy to make the masses fat and sick.

Morning Sturg,

Just last night finished a new book by Dorothea Benton Franks, a SC author, called Bulls Island. Good book, Is there really a bulls Island? The back cover says she and husband live on Sullivans Island..

julie

Marcia -- They're dropping classes that don't "prepare" for the NCLB tests. That includes civics as well as phys ed. Actually, I'm surprised that only 32% of the population is obese.

And UB -- I hardly think calling people "fat slobs" will win any friends for your guy.

up the coast a bit........

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

So the last time you went out to eat, they gave you what size portion?

Sturg, Just made Biscuits and Susage Gravy for Breakfast.....

No grits today

havent read the book......or any of the many others which have appeared lately, save Pat Conroy (always worth reading)....... the google link didnt show the zoom....it's just north of charleston and the isle of palms.....she possibly used Bull Island to stand for somewhere else.......

the grits are all in church......

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Thank you,

My "GRITS" will be in Church in a few..... !!!

Always good to date a "Grits"

(Girls raised in the south) lol

EA Poe was living on sullivan's island at one point in his life.......locale for "The Gold Bug"

Hitchcock......."The Paradine Case" coming on TCM channel as I type.......GPeck, Ethyl Barrymore, Charles Laughton etc.......

It was really difficult for me to watch Olberman run his sarcastic, pompous mouth, but it was worth it to see Craig.

Craig, You look great! Keep your hair like that. Love it. (Glad you posted that video).

MORE CHANGE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

BHO is like a box of chocolates, you just don't know what your -a gonna get.....

Hi Patsi,

Thanks for the info. Off this topic, I couldn't help but notice you wrote a post
to Mr. Corn on another blog. I concur with your sentiments and have left
similar comments to him in the past.

hook, line and sinker

Julie......very sorry......didnt mean to imply that the "carolina" books are not worth reading, only that I havent read any yet......

1:25 AM Dexter, I hear ya.
..

"The World Rolled Over -"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/jesse-jr-eyes-obamas-senate-se.html#comment-123581
Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 3, 2008 5:12 AM

Dutton, haven't had time to read your links yet, but you really caught my attention.
..............................................

" I told my Mom about my change of view, and asked if she related to the song more since she turned 70. Her answer was "HELL YES".... "
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/jesse-jr-eyes-obamas-senate-se.html#comment-123577

Tom, What a touching story. And your mom fabulous too (like you). Go Belgium!
..

If Obama loses, I won't be one of the suicides.
Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 3:10 AM

Marcia, You made me laugh awfully early this morning. Thanks.

"Have you all really stopped and looked at all the sugar content in cereal? it is beyond belief."

It certainly is, Julie. Unbelievable. I didn't realize it's even invaded tomato soup now!

The "supersizing" in restaurants is outrageous, as well. I can never finish a meal, and have to "explain" that the food was just fine, thank you -- just way too much of it.

sturgeone,

I love Hitchcock and really like "The Paradine Case," although this
film is underrated by critics and not appreciated by many Hitchcock fans.
I'm watching it again now, thanks to your post!

And of course, being a smoker no doubt has helped keep Obama's weight down.

Hi ya, Chloe,

I'm glad I made you laugh today!

Marcia, yes -- I think David Corn is one of the most odious of all the oinkers!

even g will is in on the skinny slurs this morning:

"Measured against his party's surging strength in every region and at every level, he is dramatically underperforming. Surely this fact is related to anxieties about his thin résumé regarding national security matters, the thinnest of any major party nominee...." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102871.html

Patsi,
Agree with you on the supersizing - it's rediculous.
When i saw others talking about an overweight society this morning, the first thing I thought of was 'junk food' (my favorite kind).

I truly think that people overeat for one single reason. They're not getting the nutrients their body needs. We could eat the junk we eat 24/7 and still never get what we need.

I think David Corn is one of the most odious of all the oinkers!

And he's got the posters to prove it.

Patsi,

You reminded me and then I remembered that Obama is a smoker! I heard Mrs. Obama tried to make him give it up. But, if he is still smoking, he isn't a symbol of good health even if he is slim.

Ping Pong, love this quote

"His change indicates he considers NASA's future an important election issue, especially along the critical Interstate 4 corridor."

First off shore drilling now this.

Seems like Florida is a mind changing experience.
LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT22n6x7J0g

this kid is in the seat of the grocery cart as his mother wheels him up behind a very large lady......the kid says, "Mama.....look at the...." His mom quickly says "Hush!" The kid says, "But mama, look at....." The mom says, "I said HUSH!" Just then the large lady's cell phone begins to ring and the kid says, " Watch out, Mom! She's backing up!"

Marcia -- I've heard differing reports about the quit smoking effort....some say he's done it, but then you'll hear not so. I did think at the time they announced Michelle's ultimatum, that while laudable, to try to quit smoking during a pressure packed campaign might be tough.

I hope others knew when I said Corn had the posters to prove it, I was talking about that Captain guy over there that posts constantly on his site. He's obnoxious.

on second thought......I believe the very large person in front of the kid was a man.....very large man......

Flatus, thanks for pointing the NewYorker story yesterday. I enjoyed it and am linking it in case anyone missed it and is interested.

A Soldier’s Legacy
"Don’t ask, don’t tell, but Alan Rogers was a hero to everyone who knew him."
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/08/04/080804fa_fact_mcgrath

.....very large man......"

Now that makes the story much more funny.

WSJ

A (large) number of years ago I did a four month study of Wall Street Journal news articles that had an ecological side to them.

Going in, I hypothesized that the Journal was hopelessly biased against ecological interests; upon completion, I was more than pleased when I concluded that the Journal was remarkably even handed in its reporting on the subject.

I did not evaluate the editorial content.

Over the four month period I combed the Journal finding every article that talked about ecological choices. I took into consideration such things as prominence, length of discussion, scientific rigor, evenhandedness, and probably some other factors that I don't recall.

There were scores of articles. One that I recall talked about the aquifer in South Florida and the role of oolitic limestone in that aquifer. There were other articles of similar depth.

Although the Journal is going through a period of transition to its new owner, my continuing impression has been that the Journal is a fine newspaper if one is able to separate its editorial content from the news that it quite accurately and completely reports.

I am much more suspect of the news articles in the NY Times to which I also subscribe.

come to think of it.......it may have been an android.....a very large android........

Your welcome, Chloe.

You're

It's gonna be one of those days.

Feel the Eyes Upon You
"Humans are a highly social species; perhaps we’ve evolved to be sensitive to being watched because what other people see you doing may alter the way they treat you. In our evolutionary past, individuals seen to be selfish or greedy may have found themselves ostracized — or even killed.

But can images of eyes modulate other aspects of our behavior — ..,,,Instead of signs announcing, in words, the presence of surveillance systems, would pictures of pairs of eyes be more effective?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/opinion/03Judson.html?adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1217768419-Y/qsPPEbVFMqUAfAxAGUtg

"Obama doesn't do well in Town Hall settings."
This is so interesting! If the polling is close or if McCain is perceived to have an edge by then, he should insist that the 3 debates have Town Hall and direct one-on-one components or else he won't participate. America will eat it up!

What does "not out of 'Central Casting' " mean? If it is generally perceived (especially by the Media) to include his race, then he is still playing the race card. All he will have done is changed some words but the code is the same. I bet if the other side said "Central Casting", racism would be screamed.

I am a Black Democrat and I know the Code(s) -- all of them! Barack had better get on with the people's business and issues or he will be in trouble in November. You can count on America to embrace underdogs and shun phonies.

" the posters to prove it"

I know, Chloe -- there's some jackbooted thugs over there....

Defeat Your Opponents. Then Hire Them.
"Certainly, if the next president were to bring former adversaries into his inner circle, in the No. 2 slot or as members of his administration, he would display that rare combination of humility and confidence required to perform wisely at the highest level. But could a president really create a team of rivals today, and would that team actually be able to get anything done? While Lincoln’s model may be more appealing and more needed than ever before, several factors in our current political climate make it considerably more difficult to bring about."

"History, after all, reveals how dangerous it can be for a president to surround himself with like-minded people."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/opinion/03goodwin.html?ref=opinion

Have a good day.

Just watched the video. I thought it was good. It could have pointed out that Mr Lincoln is believed to have lost at least 20-lbs while he was in office--something that makes an argument for having 'more money in the bank' than Mr Obama currently has.

"Barack had better get on with the people's business and issues or he will be in trouble in November. You can count on America to embrace underdogs and shun phonies."

I support neither candidate. That said, I totally agree with your conclusion.

"History, after all, reveals how dangerous it can be for a president to surround himself with like-minded people."

Chloe, isn't that the truth. And, it's true in any endeavor.

"They're dropping classes that don't "prepare" for the NCLB tests. "

There was a time when on weekends children were thrown outdoors after breakfast, served a sandwich on the porch at noon, and called in at sundown. In school, PE was not only offered, it was Mandatory.

As to classes, the lack of variety in schoolclasses, the shortnening of the school day, and the diminished school year is a crime against the next generation.

"come to think of it.......it may have been an android.....a very large android........"

you are sooo pc sturge! LOL, kudos and a few bravissimos thrown in.

"Pertinent part of Joe Klein's Swampland blogpost:

"... And Obama is probably going to have to get down in the gutter with McCain. But it's pretty depressing, all the same."

Of course, Joe Klein LIVES in the gutter. What a pig.

"the lack of variety in schoolclasses"

Yes indeed. And of course, NCLB ended up lining Neil Bush's pockets....

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_42/b4005059.htm

Oh, good. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman on MTP. Might as well go back to bed for the snooze fest.

"In school, PE was not only offered, it was Mandatory."
jamie, our school gave us the option of pe or joining the band. i was in the high school band for 6 yrs. jr hi didn't have a band so all of us small fry nerd/non athletes got the chhance to play with the big guys.
wonder how this couch potato trend will effect the rhodes scholar pool given that one of the requirements is athleticism.

National Organization For Women has a piece called...

Obama, Are You Listening? This One's for Your Girls

Below the Belt: A Biweekly Column by NOW President Kim Gandy

July 31, 2008

It's hard to believe, but the Democratic National Convention is now less than a month away, and following right on its heels comes the Republican National Convention. This means the media are obsessing, as they love to do, about the presidential candidates' potential running mates.

http://www.now.org/news/note/073108.html

CAESAR
Let me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.

I may disagree with Obama on a lot of issues, but his being thin and
in shape is not one of them. It shows he's disciplined. How could anyone
dislike him for that?

Posted by: prof marcia | August 3, 2008 6:53 AM

Hold on... People who are overweight are not undisciplined....

Sadly No! Follows up the WSJ article
Aug
1 Even Worseness: The Even-Worsening
Posted at 21:17 by Gavin M.
Um, wow. You know that Amy Chozick piece in the Wall Street Journal that asks whether Barack Obama might not be fat enough to be President?

Here’s the on-the-ground research that enabled Ms. Chozick to pose such a bold and allusive query:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10322.html

Dog
Eric Cantor --YIkes! He and that hideous little cretin Patrick McHenry are part of a Gooper Gang that does all kinds of ridiculous things in the House.

Boop
Thanks for the heads up about "new" Bob's. I haven't been out that way this year....and on Westside Rd we have "Tomato Heaven" --the woman who has five acres of tomatoes...I hope she has bruins. Otherwise you made them sound so good I'll have to drive out to Bob's. Hope you are feeling better soon --ginger tea and lemon!

UB, I have had a weight problem my whole life...

I take exception to this characterization:

"Maybe we are seeing, why people think Obama is arrogant....because he's not a fat slob."

It is amazing to me to read about how much dislike there still is for "people of size". I hired a fat woman to work at my shop. She asked if her weight would be an issue for us and not want us to hire her. I, and my business partner, looked at each other and we both said "well if if would be an issue, it sure would make us both hypocrites. Besides my own weight problem, my business partner's husband is over 350 lbs. We hired her and she is great.

Let's get away from pejoratives against big people. It's a very intimate issue for me and many people with weight issues and it is just not correct.

Anyone who watches Meet the Press this morning and doesn't conclude that Tom Brokaw would go to Massachusetts to marry John McCain today is as deluded as Joe Lieberman.

I know some thought that Russert was biased against Hillary Clinton. Even if he was, he was at least better able to hide it. I'm convinced Brokaw, having lost 10 mph off his fastball, has gone to the Fox card to become relevant again.

I couldn't stand to listen to Kerry and Lieberman try to out-drone each other, Bear -- was Brokow's bias that obvious?

Patsi,

So obvious, it made KO put away his own set of knee pads.

NOthing like a budding civil war in Palestine with Israel favoring one side

http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKL38134920080803

Just in case the Middle East wasn't entertaining enough as it is.

"Let's get away from pejoratives against big people. It's a very intimate issue for me and many people with weight issues and it is just not correct."
et, please accept my sincere apology if my posts offended. it seems obvious that the high fructose corn syrup and the trans fat in the bulk of the food supply are instrumental in the obesity epidemic. it wouldn't surprise me to find that they were purposeful additives to increase profits just like the addictive additives found in cigarettes. one can be highly disciplined and still not know or able to avooid being fed a legalized poison.

Bear

KO must be on his third pair by now.

"So obvious, it made KO put away his own set of knee pads."

ROFL, Bear....I'm really sick of commentators showing outright bias, ie, the thrill running up Chris Matthews's leg...gag.

patd -- I think Tom was more concerned about UB's "fat slob" comment.

I completely agree that these food additives are reminiscent of the tobacco/addiction additives. Salt is another thing that's added all the time. After my mother's heart attack, she gave up salt. (very difficult because she was a serious salt lover) After a while she couldn't stand to even salt eggs because, she said, there was so much natural salt in everything. (I wouldn't know because unfortunately, I salt the hell out of everything.)

what about us skinny slobs?

Good Morning all
Here's an interesting read from David Gergen.I'm still hoping for Hillary as VP! Obama has my vote anyways...Oh but if I lived in a red state.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/01/reviving-the-hillary-idea/

Tom
I so agree with you on the issue of weight.I have many friends and family who deal with this and it certainly isn't helpful being insulted.When I read comments calling people "Fat Slobs" well I think of being a chunky overweight kid being picked on by the school bully.If these people hurling the insults could only live a day in the lives of the ones they insult!

for anyone who's ever wondered what it's like to be in the pool with the pres.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/bush-trip-fundr.html

TV + Food = Fat. Food + Boredom = Fat.

Also, we live in a drug culture, and food is the most abused drug of all.

Champ
Well that explains it! I would rather have a bag of Smiths Australia made chicken flavored potato chips than a nice glass of wine any day........Thats my drug!

We loved this in high school.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk

Dog, McCain in the gutter? come now, The primary difference is BHO is very smooth and slick in his campaign - with the entire DNC in concert...

Oh my McCain gets one that makes good points and this is the gutter?

The "skinny" Obama should challenge McBush to a FOOT race. Obama & his people should be PLAYING UP his physical fitness, IMHO.

I just listened to the screaming McLaughlin Group. They're steeped in politics and are political junkies all. What they're missing is that the average Joe is getting sound, or more likely video, bites of Obama.

They aren't seeing the arrogance or hubris that the Group talked about. Folks are seeing a smiling man who's representing the US in a POSITIVE light, e.g the crowd in Germany. It isn't a negative, IMO.

Ludicrous is ludicrous and skinny is goofy.

tt

Regrading MTP - was it so much that Tom B was biased for McCain - which I did not see, But more a statement on how truly weak Kerry is in his ability.

Kerry and BHO are very much alike, arrogant better then thow

And I saw Nancy Pelosi on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos", and she chattered away like a, what?. Politician! Gawd!

tt

to all you BHOmaniacs....
What you call someone biased for McCain is just the FACT that you are so used to over the top support for BHO (BHO vs HRC) that it appears as such.

So you will see fair and balanced out of touch.

CRAIG is this the first week that the MSM has come back a little -- This is scary for the BHOmaniacs

One last before Sunday stuff....

As BHO and the DNC tries so hard to pull JM as if he was GWB,
In the same manner RNC needs to hold BHO accountable for the hord job of Nancy P and Harry R.

I see the ad,,,, America, you gave them a shot - you put them in office (and yes those fat old republicains needed to go) but now the worst approval in history, lower then Bush. What is the Dem Congress doing....

This is another example of Obama following GW Bush model to be president . Remember those pictures of Bush as governer shooting the wrong duck. Bush was not skinny like he is now. Obama and Bush are marketing themselves and skinny sells.

I can tell you what the Democratic congress is doing- trying to ban cell phones form airplanes. Your tax-dollars at work.

There should be NO cell phone talking on airplanes.

tt

Why not? What about on the runway?

Ping Pong,

I'm not sure what you are watching but all this news coverage does is confirm the Rand study that shows that 3 of every 4 stories about Obama is negative.

Tom Brokaw has shown a hostility and contempt for Obama because he's still trying to sell his greatest generation books.

I wonder if the MSM has to be so hard on Obama because they are unwilling to admit that they were lapdogs for Bush in the lead up to the war. I wonder if they are feeling the guilt of being intellectually lazy after having just accepted the Bush talking points?

People doubt whether Obama can be effective and that's fine. What I can't fathom is how the standard bearer for the party that created this horrendous mess is getting no where near the scrutiny.

Why hasn't McCain been taken to task for inferring that the anthrax used in the 2001 attacks came from Iraq? Am I the only person who ever wondered my only Democratic politicians were targetted, or the then anchor of what was perceived as the most liberal of news outlets?

Ping Pong,

I wonder how long it will be before your loathsome Obamaniacs start calling your ilk McC$#ts in honor of the pet name he uses for his wife...in public, in front of reporters when he is having one of his anger fits?

Anyone read much of Joe Bageant?
Here's a small chunk I picked up from his short takes on his blog.

"I'd be willing to bet there is not a working class person within four blocks of where I now sit who has even heard of this media manufactured Obama fracas. Yesterday Smokey, the apartment maintenance man next door, helped me haul a dead washing machine to the city dump. I asked him what he thought about the Obama thing.

"Huh?" he said.

He spoke for millions."

guardian article on the new j mc hitman
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/03/johnmccain.barackobama

Rezdog

Your description of the average person is perfect. Even my son who actually does listen to a news program for a half hour in the evening occasionally turns to me and asks, "Anything happening?"

Just because most of us suffer from a political mania doesn't mean that everyone else isn't wondering what they are doing for summer vacation.

Until the Conventions and probably September, they all have better things to do.

and now on the "lighter" side
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/03/renewableenergy.energy

"Tom Brokaw has shown a hostility and contempt for Obama because he's still trying to sell his greatest generation books."

Jesus yes...he's been hawking that for years now. I don't know if it's true, but I heard a rumor among book people that NBC owned a piece of the book. If so....no wonder he's had that bully pulpit all this time...

"I wonder if the MSM has to be so hard on Obama because they are unwilling to admit that they were lapdogs for Bush in the lead up to the war. I wonder if they are feeling the guilt of being intellectually lazy after having just accepted the Bush talking points?"

Interesting point Bear -- but I saw it as the opposite, that they laid off Obama because of their blind following of Bush to war. That they'll think people forget all the jingoistic broadcasts, and turn into the anti-war crowd. Either way, it's disgusting.

All I saw on MTP was some tough questions and letting the two spokes critters go at it. More watchable than the old MTP but just barely. Didn't listen to the talking heads.

Jack

Jamie,

That little excerpt was from Joe Bageant. if you haven't seen his material put it in your todo folder.

http://www.joebageant.com/

He has a unique touch on expressing the sentiments of the middle class working folks.

Bear.. (hard time typing just used my BIG STIHL extension power trimmer on the high branches !!) out of shape maybe on the way to fat?

Back to Bear --Patsi is correct,, What planet are you on? Obama has no doubt received the most aggressive coverage of any, even to the death of HRC attempt and the MSM had a role.

Now one week of maybe correction and somewhat equal and BHO complains =-- Again this equal coverage thing is new to BHO and the Mainiacs????

Bear your comments regarding anthrax and McCain are just like my extension arm on my stihl trimmer - A BIG REACH

Do you have a poster of Mao over your bed, dog?

Rez

An interesting site
I found this article insightful.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/07/life-in-the-pos.html#more

"In the post political world, the campaign that is less political and less issue-based but is savvier in using new modes of communication technology will be the campaign to win the greatest market share of the electorate. The candidate in this case, Obama, was not a political entity but, in essence a product, an ornament that made his supporters feel better about themselves."

Jack

BTW
Everything that the author, of the link I posted , said could also be applied to the 92 Clinton campaign.

Jack

McCain was on television saying he thought the anthrax came from Iraq......and the targets of the mailed anthrax were whom they were......

I like BHO, He has great ideas, unfortunate the marketing machine behind him may be going over the top... But as Whskyjack has in his post, DNC and the Chicago Machine know what is needed.

To the points earlier people are not diggin past the facade of BHO that is being created to find the facts.

Fact is he is a nice rich elite type (selfmade so go - unlike Kerry - so he needs to dump JKerry) with rose color glasses.

Wore the Mao poster out by kissing it nightly.

--rez

Hold the Mao?

Posters of Mao? come on, the real radicals have Che on the wall.

http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?startat=/getposter.asp&APNum=1181&CID=292DA7B223A44D72AA1C572FDD627F41&PPID=1&search=8361&f=c&FindID=8361&P=1&PP=2&sortby=PD&cname=Che+Guevara&SearchID=

Jack

Dog,,,, Text no voice !!!
I agree - as one that flys all of the time - The runway time is enough.
Plus I do not think Cell will work that high and fast in the sky - The whole plan will be saying - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW.....

Highspeed on the plane no cell phone

You have a choice to get on the plane or not. I know your response to that argument, and you can find another job that requires less travel, you can drive to see your dying Aunt Sally, whatever.

What's the difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to the passenger to one's right or left? Do you propose banning talking altogether on a plane? What's the penalty? I like you, dog (not that you care, or should), and definitely appreciate your sense of humor, but you have possibly the most authoritarian perspective on this blog; it blows my friggin' mind.

...

BNYC --- How you doing!

Champ - Noise Pollution, plain and simple.... People seem to talk much louder then needed when on the cell vs the person next to them.

Give me a break !! what is that important that can not wait? Leave a message- on a flight land at XX

OK, folks, my argument is not really the intricacies of cell phone etiquette. It is that that type of issue is the type our congress chooses to consider despite all of the other more pressing problems we face right now, and the authoritarian mentality to legislate EVERYTHING that may just be a trivial annoyance. "Tyrrany of the Majority" is what I'll call it, although I think someone else already has.

Champ - Ah I missed your point !!
Agree this should not be an issue for the congress however it seems to be in their current realm of competence.

You give them too much credit, Pong.

BNY workin hard... keeping the head above the water and ahead of the knife....

Champ
The right to use a cell phone is not written in the constituion. Unless you are alone, using a cell phone in public always includes intruding on someone elses space. There are places where the intrution is less but a crowded airplane is not one of them.

Jack

Champ, facts are facts......
It is a disappointment in what Nancy, Harry and BHO have done with the trust of the people !!
They are right in we need Change, Change the Congress - Finish the job

Thanks for the set up

OK, folks, here is an very easy way to end the 'inrusion' of other people using cell phones in crowded spaces. It's a technique that requires you to not be afraid of people, so it may not work for you as well as it does for me.

Have a conversation with the offender as if you are the person on the other end of the line. When they tell you they are talking to someone else, Pardon yourself, but indicate your interest in the topic of discussion and continue to offer your perspective. If they haven't begun to walk away from you by then, trust me, they will. Works EVERY time.

Dude, for a guy who spends his weekend evenings posting Doris Day and Mel Tome links, imposing undue characterizations of femininity may not be the wisest tactic.

Whatever, douchebag.

You won't have to look very hard, dog. Remember, you need to be cordial and congenial, to the point where your sanity may be in question from the offender's perspective. Make sure it seems you are genuinely interested in the topic of discussion, no matter how mundane. Have fun.

OK, my last suggestion....
Airlines can charge extra for cell phone section to replace the smoking section at the back of the plane.

Congress should continue to do the nothing before they touch this subject

Champ

I'm all for personal freedom but only up to the point where the majority must suffer because of the rudeness of one. It's bad enough that we have to listen to mobile noise machines throbbing with ear drum shattering crud. Or assinine youth using every four letter word in the universe at the top of their lungs on public transportation.

While I don't believe in coercive legislation for something as trivial as wearing, CD player volume, or the use of a cell phone, unlike public streets or conveyances, Airlines are private businesses. As such they have a right to regulate the behavior of their clients while on the premises. If the airline says No to cell phones, then either don't use the thing or find another airline.

Congress should continue to do nothing before they touch this subject
--ping

Something tells me that they should easily be able to manage that .......

Srimp and grits for you Strug....

Off to take out the yellow jackets that have attacked my dog and I..... Dog is OK... only a few bites...

Nancy P supports Edwards for VP

Chet Edwards that is...congressman from texas
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/03/politics/p114622D98.DTL&tsp=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZencNlP9Lw

Talk Louder (The Cell Phone Guy Song) by David Ippolito

You're all over the place, Jaime. Smile and nod.

The Propaganda Revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmHLOJNnr7s

Not all over the place. I don't believe in legislation to govern the behavior of individuals not actually injuring anyone else. At the same time, I loathe stupid, rude people who don't given a second thought to the consequences of their actions in relation to others.

No one has given me a "poof, you've just been cancelled from the gene pool ray gun" no matter how much I would like to have one.

it's about time this happened. do i smell a deal?
http://kevxml.windstream.net/_1_CEDTO102JS2166__wind.main/apnws/story.htm?kcfg=apart&sin=D92AVTPO0&qcat=washnews&ran=31191&feed=ap&top=1

"No one has given me a "poof, you've just been cancelled from the gene pool ray gun" no matter how much I would like to have one."

You can get them at Wal-Mart.

dog,

I remember posting a link to an article (same topic) some time ago. It's called Reverse Globalization nowadays. who'd a thunk it?

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/06/27/reverse_globalization_2/

Kathleen Reardon

Deluded We Stand On Race And Gender
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted August 2, 2008 | 07:39 AM (EST)

" Among our weak points as Americans is a tendency to believe major issues are "done and dusted" long before we have even scratched the surface of their resolution. The French, for example, recognize more than we "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" (the more things change, the more they remain the same). This election season has revealed that despite such signs of progress as the early twentieth century successful push for the female vote and many years later the Women's Rights Movement, despite the American Civil War during which 600,000 soldiers died, the Civil Rights Movement and The Civil Rights Act of 1964, problems of gender and race bias have not been sufficiently addressed or resolved. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-reardon/deluded-we-stand-on-race_b_116498.html

rez, tip of the hat to your prescience and foresightedness. hand in glove with that reverse globalization is the locavore trend.
http://chihuahuagarden.blogspot.com/2008/02/whats-locavore.html

A Crash Retrieval Team (CRT) in action. The BIG question is what was being retrieved. Ours, theirs or ours from theirs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awGOXaAA0Ts

"You can get them at Wal-Mart."

What was that old joke?

"If you don't think that god has a sense of humor go to your nearest Wal-Mart store."

Lying Voters may skew poll results

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/lying_voters_may_skew_poll_res.html

Particularly when you consider the poor woman who waited for over 20 hours for care in her neighborhood emergency room only to collapse and have her body passed by personnel for hours before they figured out she was dead.

what, nobody's gonna pat gordo on the back for posting something other than noquarter? enjoyed it gordo. thanks.

and what, no comment by anyone about o allowing the mi and fl votes to count in full? for shame.

Name one person, just one, who has 'demonized the poor' on this blog. You can't. It's a tragic story. Life sucks. I don't need the New York Times to make me aware of it. Apparently, you do.

Suggestion patd: Put the headline of an article above your link to it. I actually read the article to which you are alluding, regarding MI and FL, but I usually don't peruse unlabeled articles or youtubes. I like to know on what I'm clicking.

You don't have to be physically active to avoid being fat. I'll be the first to admit I spend a great deal of time in front of the computer/TV, but the key to avoid gaining weight is watching what you eat! Smaller portions and healthier foods is the way to go. If America could stop supersizing everything, we'd be fine. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with physical activity, of course, but if you are like me and hate to exercise, you can still maintain a healthy body weight if you are nutritionally smart! The options are out there!

just to not be misunderstood, i was referring to the post by gordo at 3:56 about the crash retrieval... not the other stuff.

but what about the full count of voting being allowed? doesn't that change things "presumptive nominee"-wise?

"Suggestion patd: Put the headline of an article above your link to it." thanks for the advice champ. nasty surprises can lurk in some of those unlabeled links.

"doesn't that change things "presumptive nominee"-wise?"

Nope, because they were already split up. The only fair thing would have been a re-vote....but that might have chenged the outcome and the DNC wasn't about to allow it. Hmmm, 2008, FL and MI, DNC.....2000, FL, Supreme Court -- it's deja vu all over again...

After the total hassle of getting to and on an airplane, the very last thing I need is to hear some full-of-themselves people chattering loudly in a confined space. I've heard it before the announcement to turn the damned things off. It was men, loud men. What? trying to impress everyone that they NEED to be on the phone ALL the time.

STFU and give it a rest.

How self-important can one be?

And not too long ago, maybe 10 years there were NO cell phones. There weren't even their predacessors then, car phones, and business went on....life went on.

tt

In Japan on the Shinkansen (Bullet Trains) speaking on the cell phone is only allowed between rail cars. And this is a country where people speak softly on their cell phones in public.

TV + Food = Fat. Food + Boredom = Fat.

Also, we live in a drug culture, and food is the most abused drug of all.

Posted by: champ | August 3, 2008 12:01 PM

Interesting calculation but that in and of itself is not the cause of people being fat, though it can certainly be factors.

The weight problem issue is not as simplistic as some like to think it is....

Do you have a poster of Mao over your bed, dog?

Posted by: champ | August 3, 2008 2:16 PM

Another ridiculous comment ...

You have a choice to get on the plane or not. I know your response to that argument, and you can find another job that requires less travel, you can drive to see your dying Aunt Sally, whatever.

Posted by: champ | August 3, 2008 2:29 PM

Again a closed-minded, self-interested, disrespectful take on misuse of cell phones. Champ, I really thought you were smarter than this. Sorry to discover that this is not the case. Time to change your nickname, you aren't a "champion" of fairness, respect, decency toward fellow citizens or civility.

"And I'd much rather see our tax dollars going to repairing the sick and wounded they I would into the pockets of halliburton. "

This is very true, but courtesy of the last 8 years of this president and many more of Republican control of Congress, we have a national debt with more commas than a Tolstoy novel, a deficit that mounts by billions monthly, an infrastructure that is a half century old and crumbling, and a population fearing that it is on the edge of a new great depression.

There are 7 billion people on the planet who would like to have something minimally resembling a liveable standard of living. The only way the United States can help to make that happen is to be financially healthy and environmentall clean itself.

The sooner we get rid of the greed goblins, rebuild the middle class, and ask people to make real sacrifices to make it happen the better.

I'll just give you a pass today, Tom. Impugn me with impunity.

Damn, I'm good.

Ping Pong,

1. When reaching for those high limbs to cut, I found that doing them in pieces was safer because you were at less of a risk of a plinko injury.

2. As for McCain and the anthrax, he was on Letter in October 2001, saying he "heard reports, but don't hold him to it, that the Anthrax came from Iraq".

My bullshit alarm went off immediately. I thought it was odd that Al Qaeda or Saddam would target Democratic Senators, or reporters perceived to be liberals. I always thought is was a Bush job designed to take attention away from their failures pre 9/11 and to be the first in the many steps in the lead up to war.

McCain's utterance of that statement shows how quickly he made up with Bush and how willingly he was in whoring for the war in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuMlae9krFc

If you want to call Obama a phony...whatever. If you aren't willing to call McCain a big phony, despite all the proof to that conclusion, then go work for Fox.

Hi Dog, I am ok, just got home from seeing The Dark Knight at a movie theatre. Good stuff there. Tomorrow Mauro and I go to see Prince Caspian!

Cheers,

For those who may not have heard of this, there is a erotic fetish out there called "gaining and encouraging". In a nutshell there are people who want to become obese and those who want to encourage them to pack on the pounds. As someone who has fought weight his whole life, I can't really follow this, but it's their lives so .. que sera sera...

Here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_fetishism

Maybe the WSJ could find something interesting in this! LOL...

Anyway, as we used to say in Weight Watchers...

See you lighter...

Sorry, Tom. Not going to happen.

Time to up the meds, Tom. Or maybe stop them? Whatever dosage you're on, try a different one.

Ping,

My last sentence wasn't directed at you personally btw...it was a media admonition...

Awww, that's sweet. I'll leave you two lovebirds alone.

Awww, that's sweet. I'll leave you two lovebirds alone.

Posted by: champ | August 3, 2008 6:19 PM

Homophobic to boot....

Sun Aug 3, 1:45 PM Pacific
What Happened? (Extended)
By popular request, I've uploaded a new version of the clip of John McCain's press conference from Friday, August 1 in Panama City, Florida.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/what-happened-e.html#disqus_thread

Original Text Uncovered on Birth Certificate

"This follow up report ... is about to reveal enough proof, beyond any doubt, that the KOS COLB is a digitally modified forgery and was based on another individual’s post-2006 COLB.

Another follow up report will reveal exactly who the original underlying COLB did belong to. Trust me when I tell you it is going to be one hell of a major twist that no one would have seen coming.

That said, and in the interest of fairness, if the people responsible for forging the COLB come forward and admit their liability the name of the original COLB owner will not be released publicly.

As a heads up to the guilty parties – the names and dates have already been restored – as has the fact the owner is a female born in the 70’s.

... there were enough artifacts left to reconstruct most of the underlying image."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/original-text-uncovered-on-birth-certificateexclusive-report/

Obama urges full voting rights for Florida, Michigan delegates:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/NEWS15/80803025

I just finished The New Yorker story on California medical marijuana from last week's magazine. What an ordeal for the dispensary owners as they face harsh invasions and seizures from LAPD and the feds, while the state licenses the very same businesses.
A bit of anxiety? Pay a doc a couple hundred for a letter saying so and you are able to "legally" buy many different strains to cure what ails ya.
The story is quite a read, BTW, chronicling some of the players in this soap opera. I learned a lot.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am sick of McCain's stupid campaign strategy, mentioning Obama's "weaknesses" instead of explaining his policy ideas. The conservative David Brooks, an original "Straight Talk Express" enthusiast, explained why he , Brooks, disagreed with this, but it was the only way McCain can get mentioned on any newscast.
Brooks was on with Shieffer this morning.
Stephanopulous had a great show this morning, very civil discussion...Gwen Ifil was most interesting.

Alexander Solzenitsyn is dead at 89

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4642726a12.html

KGC - just for that, you have to give me directions to the place on Westside Rd - this Tomato Heaven. That sounds like my kind of place. Is it open for the usual hours? I'm not sure the Bruins name is a type of tomato - I thought it was maybe from a particular farm. Whatever.

The new Bob's Truck doesn't have as much as the old one did, but everything is organic and they are open throughout the year. Of course in season they have crab and even clam chowder, etc.

Champ - I doubt you can be convinced on the topic of cell phones on planes, but I do have two thoughts to add .

For one thing, confronting a cell-phone-abuser in the manner you suggest amounts to taunting in my opinion. Just as in this blog, that kind of thing gives rise to arguing and probably fighting. Here, you guys are parted by distance - on a plane with no where to go, the fight will stay there.

As it is, drunks and other disagreeable folks create danger. When a cell-phone-abuse argument breaks out, flight attendants just might be able to stop it. People on an airplane are a captive audience - they have little physical freedom or ability to defend themselves.

In addition, you say that people aren't forced to board the plane, and if they don't want to hear others talking on cell phones they don't have to get on planes - even if it means changing jobs to avoid flying.

The opposite scenario is also true. People who just have to talk on their cell phones don't have to board planes, either. As it is, they know the rules in play today

Rather than requiring people to change jobs in order to allow a small group top use their cell phones.on planes, why not expect that people who know they'll be incommunicado for several hours will prepare for that eventuality?

Majority rules is the usual in a democracy, but minority rights are also to be protected. In this case, the minority right is the right to disturb and endanger the majority simply so that the minority can indulge their casual wish to talk. If they absolutely need to use a phone, they should have no trouble doing so before they board. Do you stay off planes because there might be a crying baby on it?

As for the pe classes in schools, Richard Simmons testified in front of Congress several weeks ago to put pe back in schools. Dropping pe and art and music from public schools has been going on for years.

One of the best promises I heard during the primaries was from Huckabee, of all people . He is dedicated to bringing back those same subjects to education - he said it several times and not one reporter or other candidate took it further. It's such a common sense idea but isn't flamboyant or thrilling.

As for the pe classes in schools, Richard Simmons testified in front of Congress several weeks ago to put pe back in schools. Dropping pe and art and music from public schools has been going on for years.

I googled Richard and there is a you tube link to his testimony. I don't know how to show the link but it's easy to find under his name. I wondered if he is starting a campaign about it. I'd like to see this issue get more coverage.

Yes, Champ, I know you are most concerned tih the idea of Congress getting involved, but Congress is in charge of transportation security, and to me this is a security issue, with manners coming a far second. So Congress can go ahead for my money. As usual, just from my point of view, my opinion.

Ah…Sorry To Bother You Mr. Obama, Sir

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/03/ahsorry-to-bother-you-mr-obamasir/

Random question...

Anyone know the best way to deal with a flash fire on a gas grill. I realized that I don't have a fire extinguisher and fortunately the garden hose was handy but I was curious if there were good things to do in a pinch...

Here's a link to an AP story : McCains attacks paying dividends.Seems like Obama should get some ads out critizing McCain for having no new vision for America.Maybe some attack ads of his own?

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyId=5521386&view=HOME&newsgroup=9000&sSect=HOM_1

Bear

Turn off the gas and a grease fire will usually go out by itself. This is for a cook stove too.

cover it up and turn off the gas.

Jack

The far left and the far right may have fallen off the edge of a flat earth into each other's arms, simply because this would never even occur to anyone in the middle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/03/obama-anti-christ-mccain_n_116588.html

Clinton Embraces Return to Ambassador Role
After the Bitter Primaries, He Calls Charity 'My Life'

"Obama might be helped, Clinton said, "in some debate when he can say, 'You know, a captain I met in Iraq said this to me,' or, 'I observed this in Afghanistan' -- and I don't mean in a phony, showy way. I mean you want your president to have a feel for this. . . . It's like everything else. You just learn it. You absorb it, so every time you do it, your comfort level goes up."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201674_2.html?sid=ST2008080300023&pos=

nite

Chloe

Thats Bill, big and bold as ever. He is going to be irritating his detractors for sometime and unlike Jimmy Carter, there is not a humble bone in his body.
LOL

Jack

Chloe,

Really good Clinton quote from the article you posted above.

""What we Democrats can't afford to do, even as we support Senator Obama, is try to build one America on the cheap," Clinton said, explaining that people could not tell themselves, " 'I voted across the racial divide; I have no obligations to do something in my community or around the world.' In other words, if he wins . . . we've still got a lot of problems. We've got to heave-to here. We've got to show up."

Jamie.

I think the only way to tell the 2 apart is just by which nutball theory they support and not even that some days. But the over the top reaction is stock and trade for both sides. They have been practicing it for decades. Ex: Gun control.

Jack

Jamie,

When I first saw that ad I had a funny feeling someone was going to raise this issue, Obama supporter or otherwise.

"At best, this ad implies that those who plan to support Senator Obama are looking for a new savior or a replacement Messiah."

Jamie

That quote had me nodding in agreement too.

Jack

the android actually was not at all large.....in fact was very slim.....it's just the pants it was wearing made it appear large......that and the angle from which the kid was viewing it.......nevertheless, the android took umbrage and suddenly turned and poked the kid in the snoot.......

Anyone wanting to know how grateful the Iraqis will be in 50 years should read this...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25999745/

Needless to say, the US should pull out every last soldier and let the fucking ingrates starve with their neighbors to the north.

KGC - you still haven't said what you think of
Arnie's pronouncement Friday.

Boop
Tomato Heaven is on Westside Road almost to Healdsburg.

Verdure Farm
2476 Westside Road
Healdsburg, CA 95448
(707) 433-1403

"Tomato Heaven" farmstand specializes in over 200 varieties of heirloom tomatoes, Italian "Profumo di Genova" basil, and American and European heirloom melons. Unusual specialty pumpkins. Sustainably farmed.

couple of specialty pumpkins:

http://www.cool-pumpkins.geraldgore.com/eBooks/Pumpkins/pumpkins%20001.jpg

Boop
Sorry didn't mean to ignore your question. I do however try to ignore Arnie. I think it's theater and while I think the Press Democrat usually sucks I think they did get this right

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger portrayed his order slashing the pay of 200,000 state workers as a stopgap effort to ensure that the state has enough money to pay its bills. Of course, the state payroll is perhaps the largest of those bills.

But acknowledging that might peel away some of the peek-a-boo plumes of the budget fan dance that mask inaction by the self-styled action governor and the tanned, rested and ready-for-action Legislature, which returns from vacation Monday.

Schwarzenegger needlessly caused fear and insecurity for state workers and their families with an executive order reducing salaries to the federal minimum wage of $6.55 an hour pending resolution of the budget mess.

He also eliminated 10,300 part-time and temporary jobs that, in fairness, may have been lost to the state's $15.2 billion budget gap anyway.

State Controller John Chiang said he will continue paying full salaries to state employees, setting the stage for a court fight.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080803/NEWS/808030353&title=Foul_play

the next pay date for state employees is 8/28

GORDO: Loved the link about the UFO .... I always watch any new UFO show that comes on, lol ... I mean, we know that the government is hiding 'em, just doean't make sense to not acknowledge it ... some Countries already have ...

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and what, no comment by anyone about o allowing the mi and fl votes to count in full? for shame.
Posted by: patd | August 3, 2008 5:04 PM

I just read that article, Pat .. seems someone on here or another blog I go to, said he'd change his mind come the convention ...

sick .. That's what the DNC & BHO have done to this party ...
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"Needless to say, the US should pull out every last soldier and let the fucking ingrates starve with their neighbors to the north."

Bear

Much is being lost in translation.

Essentially the reports of large numbers of civilian casualties are true. Even years later we were prepared to shoot into the ranks of civilian hostages if we thought they were shielding advancing enemy _if_ what we were defending was of exceptional importance.

Although there are radical elements within Korean society, they are the exception. Most Koreans understand that the civilian casualties were the consequences of war. They are also deeply appreciative of the sacrifices Americans made in liberating them from the Japanese, and in defending the peninsula from the North.

If you wanted to see an unappreciative, deeply hostile population reacting angrily to American soldiers, all you'd have to do is look to how many of my fellow citizens treating returning Vietnam veterans in my cohort; much worse than anything that I experienced in Korea.

There is nothing to fear in an honest exploration of how civilian casualties occurred in Korea.

Yes, Viv, see how quickly any plan to recognize the full delegations would be dropped if Mrs Clinton filed her request to have her name placed in nomination on the floor.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-skinny-on-obama.html#comment-123782

ET: You've got that right ... alot of people who are over weight can't help it ... and that about seeing a Fat child w/ Fat Parents isn't fair either .. since it has been proven that it's in your genes if you will have problems or not ...

BHO probably has very high metabolism .. my ex was like that & I knew he'd never get fat, all I had to do was look at his family .. all thin in that wirey way, ya know?

KGC - thanks for the name of the tomato place - which exit is it off 101, do you know?

Yeah, I was appalled, also. I think he's trying to put the burden on somebody else - like, hey, I tried to do something and you don't like it? you do something.
Hard decisions. Can you imagine having your paycheck be dropped suddenly to minimum wage? Talk about your heart stopping.

Something has to be done about executives who think they are king, esp corporate ones.

Oh YES!,, I know that ... The thing is, I'm still angery .. she stopped her campaign 2 months ago & the MSM is STILL talking about her & Bill's effect on this election ... I've tried letting it go .. but how can I? when every time you turn on the TV or radio or even your computer!! there he is ...

""At best, this ad implies that those who plan to support Senator Obama are looking for a new savior or a replacement Messiah."

Duh, Rez...the guy presented himself over and over and over as the New Joshua. And Americans are clinically depressed right now, thanks to "W" -- so in fact, they are looking for a savior.

Hallelujah! Blow the horns around the city and watch the walls crumble.

Joshua Instruction Manual

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZuWzZvoYQ

the walls actually tumbled because during that time they spent marching around blowing the ram's horn they had sappers tunnel under said walls shoring them up so that at a signal they pull the plug, the shoring collapsed and with it the walls.......smoke and mirrors....also a little help from the prostitute within the walls.......

Just because I love it, my favorite song by Mahalia

Great gospel as great blues
"Lord Don't Move The Mountain"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9W04GiHcSY&feature=related

Sturgeone

Faith can always use a little hard work.

and a good prostitute on the inside....?

Be sure to send them a sympathy card

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080803/wealthy_spending.html

Boop
It's all political theater. After the last time I thought Schwarzenegger wouldn't mess with public employees again. SEIU is suing him or this.

The exit for tomato heaven is the Central Healdsburg Exit. (not Healdsburg Avenue)
Exit Hwy 101 at Central Healdsburg. At the second traffic light turn 90 degrees left onto Mill treet/Westside Road It's near Armida winery probably about 2 or 5 miles down Westside on the east side of the road.
Most of the time the stand operates on the honor system.

Or somebody good inside the

Nevermind.

"Be sure to send them a sympathy card

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080803/wealthy_spending.html

Thanks for the link, Jamie.....That article sure shoots holes in Bush's "tax cuts for the rich helps the great unwashed," doesn't it?

So when people call Obama an "empty suit" are they just pointing out the fact that they think he's too skinny?

Somebody must have dammed up the trickle down.

"And Americans are clinically depressed right now, thanks to "W" -- so in fact, they are looking for a savior."

Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

More from the article:

"As Christians, we have one Lord And Savior, Jesus Christ. It is blasphemous to suggest otherwise.. . .
It shows the McCain campaign is willing to make a mockery of our faith to feed people's fears. Christians need to reject this out of hand."

From the BBC...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70ZJGbY2pQ8

Flatus,

The Koreans I know, I like. I have a Korean nephew for what that's worth.

My anger stems from the fact that as many American soldiers died in Korea as did during the entire Vietnam war...That's 3 years versus 12? There was a temperature swing of over 100 degrees that our soldiers fought and died in.

I suspect that were I a soldier, I too would have adopted a "kill em all" mentality to keep myself alive.

We were fighting for them to preserve their freedom from the Communists to the North and now, because some civilians were killed, they are talking @#$#$ reparations?

For starters, they should get to the back of the line. Second, if the government paid them a @#$# nickel I would be incensed to no end because what value does that place on our dead soldiers? Were they successful, how much in reparations would the country of Iraq demand?

John McCain does not speak for the McCain campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuTnk5hjcU

About two minutes in...
the campaign is beginning to sound a bit Dole-ish

Bear, as I said earlier this week, a friend of mine lived in South Korea for over 10 years. He visited North Korea as well. He said the North Koreans basically consider the South Koreans as "sell-outs" and the South's government was merely a "puppet government". If you read "Act 4 and Finale" on this page

http://axisofeviltour.com/nk-trip5.htm

It discusses North Korea's hope for Korean unification.

KGC,

I wouldn't be so down on the Dole campaign...at least we know he was getting laid...lol

Corey,

Thanks for the link...I'll read it in the morning...I'm sure the North considers them sellouts, because the south got the brain power, the economic power and they decided that the only real way to get back at the Japanese was to directly compete with them...which they have done...and done well...

My friend Mark has a birthday today as well. He lives in Ann Arbor. Obama is going to be in Lansing today. I asked him if he was going to have lunch with Obama since it was both of their birthdays today.

This is probably the best link I've found. It was of my friend's visit to the "DMZ". Especially the chat with the main tour guide of the "DMZ". Go to the picture of the 2 guys sitting below the pictures of the 2 Kims. That's a good read right there.

http://axisofeviltour.com/nk-trip6-dmz.htm

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-skinny-on-obama.html#comment-123825

sturg: LMAO!! was reading along, wasn't expecting that since the post had been serious ... Chloe jumped a bit when I laughed, lol thanks, needed that tonight ..

viv

Corey

I read the complete printing of axisof eviltour. Iraq was interesting, just to know that Halliburton rules the whole shebang, Loved pics and the commentary of Iran. Beautiful country, had to laugh about his train trip out of Iran into Turkey. North Korea I did not like. Neither the commentary, or pics. Seems that just want everything larger not more beautiful. The people seem just ordinary in any country, don't they? Glad you posted it. Thanks
Julie

Ok,

I decided to read about it now...interesting thought...I'm finding the description of the trip through Iran more fascinating though...

I love this quote from day 5 in Iran...

Professor, and every other Iranian I mentioned it to, didn’t like the Axis of Evil thing; my tour or the original comment. “Comparing us to the North Koreans is just rude, man. We’ve got the Internet. We can talk about politics. We’re not a bunch of crazy assholes.”

Hard decisions. Can you imagine having your paycheck be dropped suddenly to minimum wage? Talk about your heart stopping.

Something has to be done about executives who think they are king, esp corporate ones.

Posted by: boop | August 3, 2008 10:38 PM

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I thinks that's horrible!! It's like being fired in a way , since you won't have enouigh for all your expenses ...

What I want to know .. is it JUST the workers, or are Management being cut down too??? since we all know, they get the lions share & I didn't read anything about that!!

Exactly!

Viv & Corey - this might be too far into the night for you to get the response but I'll try. KGC will be much more knowledgeable about this.

I haven't heard any details, but it so far doesn't sound as if "salaried" people are affected. The protesters outside had a sign with Arnie's salary posted =
$212,000. Of course, he doesn't need it. That's what makes me think it's just one step in shifting the blame.

The editorial KGC copied from our local paper does a good job of stating the situation. Arnie was elected to take the place of a recalled gov, Grey Davis, who took it in the neck because he wanted to triple the car tax for one year to help with the budget deficit. People were outraged.

So Arnie was gonna fix it, and 6 or so years later, his suggestion is to cut employees wages to minimum wage, and get rid of temps, who were gonna go anyway.

Ergo, the owners of lexus and infinit's will be safe, but wage owners are supposed to adjust to minimum wage.

I think it's like playing chicken. I hope Arnie loses because he's rather self-satisified. He's a good reason why I take the un-liberal stance that it's too soon to change the natural-born citizen requirement for a president. He seems to think this is all a game.

Hopefully, the courts will use some brains.

Once again, just my opinion.

I see Obama is coming to Indiana...to offer the veep slot to Evan Bayh? Wishful thinking on my part!

dex, ya just never know.

tt

EuroTom,

Geez. I wasn't implying that people who are overweight are undisciplined.
Isn't it possible for both to be true? People are disciplined who work hard to
exercise and eat vegs and fruit. And yet, people who are overweight may
be disciplined too, yet not be able to lose weight.

Sorry if you thought I was implying anything against those who fight their weight problems. Most everyone I know struggles with weight issues (me too) and most of them are disciplined and serious people.

And as far as what I wrote about Obama and his possible smoking and his weight. I was referring to an earlier post I wrote that implied I thought Obama was healthy and disciplined if he managed to stay slim. However, I clarified
my point later, after Patsi reminded me that Obama may be a smoker, still.
What I was trying to say, in a clumsy way, was that smoking often helps people to stay thin, yet we all know smoking is extremely unhealthy.
So, being thin doesn't necessarily mean someone is healthy especially
if they smoke.

EuroTom,

Thanks for the link to the Obama "They'll get over it," remark. I'm not getting over
it.

But, the reasons I'm not voting for him go way beyond the primary.

Baking Soda will put out a fire.