Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

The campaign is turning into a couple of brats fighting back and forth on a daily basis.

Obama seems to think he needs to quickly respond to every single thing said about him. This is a big mistake. Respond to the big stuff or you just play into the Gop (avoid the issues) strategy.

The campaign is turning into a couple of brats fighting back and forth on a daily basis.

Obama seems to think he needs to quickly respond to every single thing said about him. This is a big mistake. Respond to the big stuff or you just play into the Gop (avoid the issues) strategy.

The advertising industry must love it. The politics of change is really expensive. Who says there's no such thing as too much money. And besides, Townhalls are way too revealing. No place to hide when you're face to face with the people.

Anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in

A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist_7

Oregon,
Since I see you''re here this morning, I'd like to thank you for the 'Knucklehead list of rules'. One to live by. Thanks.

Now I must make coffee.

Chloe..I think I'll make coffee too. I went to the midnight opening of the new Mummy movie. Lots of fun. Brenden Frasier always seems like a big kid having fun in his movies. I was surprised so many people were there..familieswith small kids..surprised me.

The knothead list works for me. There are a lot of interesting people here and I want to concentrate on them. I likie the term, knucklehead" also.

"Brenden Frasier always seems like a big kid having fun in his movies."

That's what I love about Brenden Frasier too!.

I was looking forward to 'Swing Vote' with Kevin Costner' this weekend. The previews looked so funny. It's supposed to open today, but I don't see it on the schedule yet.

Good Morning, Chloe and Oregon Democrat,

Wow. These two, less than fascinating candidates, have spent over 48 million on ads so far. And what has all that moola accomplished?

"And what has all that moola accomplished?"

Good Morning Marcia,
That's a good question. It feels like we're right back where we started. Did you see the developing story on Drudge this morning:

McCain accuses Obama of playing politics with race

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9297USO0&show_article=1

Hello Marcia

Chloe..Swing Vote was also opening at midnight. Kevin Costner is usually so laid back, I was afraid I would fall asleep at a late showing.

both movies open today with wide distribution.

I watching Morning Joe..I'm not usually up at this time.
The Mike/Joe spat session is not very appealing.

Regarding the "Race Card":
Of course, Obama's comment was "The" race card. I'm a Black Democrat and I recognize it clearly. Quick Observations: (a) Why didn't/hasn't the predominately white media recognized and acknowledged it for what it is, was and has been? If the McCain camp had indeed said something so blatant, the outcry would have been deafening. (b) It was a brilliant pre-emptive strike by the McCain campaign to assure that they will not be race-boated by the Obama campaign has was done so effectively against the Clintons. Not only has a marker been officially-for-the-record established as to when race was introduced into the GE campaign but by whom, but another bridge has been offered to the Clinton enthusiasts -- "see, they tried to do it to us, too!".

Oregon, I didn't think you were usually up so early.

I just read a review on the NYT and they aren't raving about the movie, but I'm still looking forward to seeing it. They describe it as: This Guy’s for You “Swing Vote” is about life, liberty and the pursuit of Budweiser.

Now I have to feed my critters. They're complaining early today.

My displeasure with Obama is rooted in:

1. His disrespect to the President Clinton years
2. His dismissive, disrespectful attitude toward Senator Clinton
3. A total lack of humility

We need to win this election. Barack Obama is not a good bet.

I better get some sleep..Have a good day everyone.

Hillary has apparently asked that she not be nominated for President at Democratic convention.

NY Daily News reports that a source close to Hillary confirms that she won't file a formal request to the convention asking to be nominated for President.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/31/2008-07-31_hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html

Party rules require that a written request to be nominated must be submitted, as well as a petition signed by at least 300 delegates--without her signed request, petitions of support are meaningless.

Although delegates may vote for whomever they want during the roll call, the report is that Hillary (personally & through surrogates) has counseled her 1886 delegates to vote for Obama & that she may release those delegates when she speaks to the convention.

What is it with the animals? They had me up at 3:00
Now MSNBC has me singing "You're So Vain"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4

Between Obama and the eclipse of the sun in China, it's all merging into one theme for the morning.

Chloe,

Thanks for the link to "McCain Accuses Obama of playing politics with race."

It just seems to me that anytime anyone questions Obama, that this person is
accused of being a racist. As I recall, this is how Camp Obama swiftboated
Hillary.

http://www.slatev.com/player.html?id=1701226987

good morning gang....

got a few minutes before I have to pack my car with my inventory.....

Craig.... great video..... love the choo choo train and the whiskey flask on the shelf behind you.....and I bet I know where you got that Ben Franklin mug..... :0)

haven't seen many of the ads..... not bothering to watch any cable news this summer..... I'll get back into it in the fall....

see y'all later....

While I do believe that the Obama crowd is playing "The Race Card" now and did it before to Sen. Clinton, I also believe that the McCain folks have the worst possible media advisors.

While Brittney and Paris may be two empty headed, celebritards famous for being famous, you would think the McCain folks would know that if you put two blond females in an anti-Obama ad that the "racist" charges would be the immediate fall out.. Haven't they been paying attention to their viral emails?

Oh Patsi, I see you've got your idiot hat on early. Obama simply stated how the McCain campaign was going to define him. And guess what? He's right, just like how dumb the Clinton campaign was when they decided to make the Barack "remember Jesse Jackson won South Carolina" Obama comment. But since you have little understanding about how race works in this country, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. See Obama is smart enough to not get the "you needed that job" white hands treatment that Harvey Gantt received in NC, or the blonde "Call me" bimbo treatment your beloved Harold Ford, Jr. received in Tennessee, or the classic "Willie Horton" treatment that Dukakis received during his campaign. Better to attack than to sit back passively, as you'd like a candidate to do.

Craig

Great video spot, and I love the mantle behind you. Now in here, who are the Sharks and who are the Jets? For all the cross fire in the Democratic camps, only Fry Daddy and Ping Pong are on the Republican side of things.

Patsi has never worn an idiot hat.

Alpha Omega Obama house has pledged a new sorority sister. Gene Robinson. Looks like Meeker handed over the house paddle to Schuster. No, saying that BO would rather lose a war if it means he can win a campaign doesn’t say that he’s unpatriotic or un-American so much as it says that he is so self-serving that he would make poor choices.

MoJo’s the only one with any common sense in that studio today. BO is incredibly famous without having produced anything yet; that’s the correlation between him, Britney & Paris. Where do they get off saying it’s a juxtaposition of races?

That’s exactly what the BO campaign wants. BO can’t throw a temper tantrum, so he tries to play that card, again. (And to think, I had big hopes for this guy six months ago.) The race card. It’s the temper tantrum of 2008.

However, these are just more distractions. I’m pining for some meat-n-potatoes debates, but all the media serves up is doughy Wonder bread that constipates the political process and has little nutrional value.

This Wal-Mart story is disturbing on so many levels.
“
In recent weeks, thousands of Wal-Mart store managers and department heads have been summoned to mandatory meetings at which the retailer stresses the downside for workers if stores were to be unionized.”

I think unions are just the boogey-man; their real concern is raising of the minimum wage. They also benefit from high gas prices and outsourcing manufacturing jobs which force folks to shop there & run alternative stores out of business. To paraphrase Tennessee Ernie Ford’s song, we’re gonna owe our souls to the company store.

Patsi,

My post was referring to Mr. Democrat's comment.

"It just seems to me that anytime anyone questions Obama, that this person is accused of being a racist. As I recall, this is how Camp Obama swiftboated Hillary."

PM,

Exactly. Even the most obtuse observers are recognizing the pattern.

Patsi, You did it again. Made my day with that link. I can't believe they made that Britney tape into an Obama tape. PRICELESS!

"Between Obama and the eclipse of the sun in China, it's all merging into one theme for the morning." Posted by: Jamie

Jamie,
Your 7:14 AM post had me laughing so hard. You have such a great way of putting things.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122750
Oregon,
Your new list works for me too. You even put them in the right order.

Good luck Renee. Have fun.

But if they'd used two young black singers -- or that black airhead on The View -- they'd have been called even more racist. Face it -- anything now is going to be called racist. When trying to give LBJ some credit for Civil Rights legislation became a racist issue, it was all over.

But what surprised me was the effect that Ludicrous song is having. I figured nobody but a few around her (like me) would get PO'd because of the continuing Hillary/bitch theme. But I was talking to a guy who travels and meets a lot of blue collar workers in various cities....last night he told me in the past several days there's been a great deal of talk about this song, and partly because of the McCain/paralyzed line. Obama was smart to quickly disassociate himself with that one.

Blue,

I'm with you on the total inanity of this campaign. Unfortunately, they may be serving up what the majority of the American public can understand. A sincere discussion of the issues and how to resolve the myriad problems currently facing the nation would be met with a barrage of remote controls clicking.

As though you could tell, Marcia.

Patsi

If they were going with the "celebrity/fandom" theme, I would have used something like a screaming fainting crowd of teenyboppers rather than single images.

More than that, the whole series of ads the McCain people have put out have been clumsy, filled with errors, and looking as old fashioned as their candidate.

Good Morning all
I knew the race card was coming!Sen. Obama just can't resist it why? Patsi your point on LBJ says it all!

"nutritional" -- and I forgot to attach the link

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121755649066303381.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox

"series of ads the McCain people have put out have been clumsy, filled with errors, and looking as old fashioned as their candidate. "

Yes -- absolutely. Very bad advertising techniques.

Oh, and Mr. D -- I guess criticising Obama for his FISA vote is racist. And when he screws up as president, if anyone questions him it'll be racist. And if the one criticising him is a woman he'll just run in one of his surrogates, like Luricrous, to call her a bitch.

More on Germans: Three Hogan's Heroes programs on HDN starting at 8:30 EST. Channel 306 on Directv.

When we were stationed at Ft Sill in '65 there was a nice German lady who lived across the hall from us. All semblance of niceness departed when Hogan's Heroes came on the air.

She and Stinky used to have really interesting conversations using universal hand gestures. They got along well.

The yard is beckoning. Argh.

Nope Patsi and that's why you have no understanding of race. You simply have a third graders view of race where it's all or nothing. I suggest you get some books on race in order to understand the complexities. And I'll suggest some. But I think you're much more comfortable wallowing in your ignorance about the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5513mXmQbw4

"You simply have a third graders view of race where it's all or nothing."

That is funny, MD. Especially coming from a whitebread suburbanite type like you.

Jack

Whitebread! Well, there's a first. I guess this inaccurate description of me explains why your political posts are always so inane.

It is what you are MD,

Jack

Okay Jack.

The End of the Dream...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/140060

Mr. D,

Saying Patsi has a 3rd graders understanding of anything means you haven't been paying attention. Could it be that you too easily leap to "racism" as a charge where none exists.

It is possible to think someone is inexperienced and unqualified without it having anything to do with race.

Nope, not possible.

I think Mr. D thinks we're all racists, because he is.

If anyone loved those B & W photographs just on Morning Joe and has a pot of money burning a hole in their pocket, here is the gallery

http://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/set/default.aspx?sectionID=31

So if someone is white and doughy looking but inexperienced and unqualified, saying that they are inexperienced and unqualified is racist?

Why did congress leave town without any meaningful action on energy?

The Elephant in the Room: Democrats impede U.S. on energy

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/26131984.html

Being against drilling for oil offshore is a LOSER for democrats. When the republicans succeed in trying high energy prices to democratic obstruction they win. Plus, if the democrats change their mind, bingo - flip-flop.

"88th anniversary of the ratification of the amendment giving the women the right to vote" [newsweek]

is this the ended dream you are referring to, mr. d? you should be very proud of yourself, mr. civil rights guy.

John, Good analysis.

"Nope, not possible"

So how old is MD? 16? That sounds like something a 16yr old would say. In fact all MD/bye bye posts sound like a teenage boy, playing at what he thinks an AA intellectual would sound like.

Jack

The Cost of Oil Subsidies
Unfortunately, a large share of the world’s population is not responding to high energy prices. Across the developing world, governments are subsidizing energy, blunting the incentive to conserve by keeping prices low. They are absorbing the savings made by industrial countries and helping to raise oil prices by stoking demand.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/opinion/01fri3.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Gotta go face the cold cruel world now.
Have a good day.

replace trying with linking in my last post.

Time to get a new keyboard, this one doesn't work right.

"I think Mr. D thinks we're all racists, because he is"

I don't think so, he has picked up a bunch of those old hoary cliches that mediocre Jr college lecturers use. He probably thinks it makes him look cool and intellectual. No real thinking involved.

Jack

Shuster just said that Claire McCaskill is one of the best surrogates Sen. Obama has. My antenna must be on crooked because every time I start liking him, she comes on and it is instantaneous ... Yuck! A possible eight years of listening to that?

Jack, if an African American intellectual walked in your house and said, "I'm an African American intellectual", you still wouldn't be able to recognize one.

Chloe, whatever gets you through the night.

Jamie: Stop with the dumb comparisons. There's a narrative that the McCain campaign is building and it's about feeding into the racial biases Americans have about African Americans. Not deserving. Arrogant. Presumptive. Who does he think he is? Americans are not used to African Americans who make no apologies for competing on traditionally 100 percent white turf and beating you. And whatever the field, there's always blowback. Remember when Tiger started winning and Fuzzy Zoeller decided to go over a menu of fried chicken and collard greens? The same is happening during this campaign. But, like always, we triumph over the ignorance.

I have met one of the photogs listed on that link Jamie provided. Herman Leonard. This was in Houston and was pre Katrina. He was living in New Orleans at the time. He must be in his late 70's or early 80's now. Very well known jazz musician photographer. All his images were made in the late 50's in NYC when he was working as a advertising photog in the village. He told me that he had a studio that he would turn into a jazz club and he would invite the musicians to his studio in the daytime when they were playing at night so he could make his images. Very nice man.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

when Schuster finish his rehab? I haven't watched any MSOBC in so long I must have missed his return.

Posted by: Boss Tweed | August 1, 2008 8:48 AM

Boss Tweed,
Can't shut down without thanking you for your kind words the other day.

Hope to see more of you around here.
bye

mr. d, feb 5, 2008 was the 138th anniversary of the 15th amendment's ratification, which guaranteed black men the right to vote in 1870. 50 years later the little ladies, black and white, got their chance. is it that you merely want them to wait their turn in all fairness?

correction on the time line for Herman Leonard. Photos made as far back as the 1940's.

here is his wikipedia link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Leonard

LOL@MD

looks like I hit the mark.

Jack

" But I think you're much more comfortable wallowing in your ignorance about the subject. "

I'm sure your great wisdom on the subject will enlighten all of us ignorant old racists. Whatta maroon.

I love coming here for political discussion you can't get elsewhere. Some of you are museum quality.

"Claire McCaskill "

Agree on her, Jamie....did they ever figure out who murdered her first husband? :)

Mr. D

"Not deserving. Arrogant. Presumptive. Who does he think he is? Americans are not used to African Americans who make no apologies for competing on traditionally 100 percent white turf and beating you. And whatever the field, there's always blowback. Remember when Tiger started winning and Fuzzy Zoeller decided to go over a menu of fried chicken and collard greens?"

That is apples and oranges. If Tiger had been a white golfer, he would still be one of the greatest golfers who ever played the game. The Zoeller comment WAS racist and stupid.

If Barack Obama were white with his experience, he wouldn't have gotten the speech at the last convention and he certainly wouldn't have been running for President. In this case being black is actually working in his favor because it brings him to the attention of power brokers who wouldn't have backed him for at least another four to eight years.

This doesn't mean that he can't handle the job. It just means it wouldn't have been offered it in the first place if he had been white. Even with her charitable, international, and senatorial experience you could make a case that being a woman benefitted Sen. Clinton.

"I have met one of the photogs listed on that link Jamie provided. Herman Leonard. "

I worked with Henry Diltz a few times when he was photographing country people...another very nice guy, Doots.

" Even with her charitable, international, and senatorial experience you could make a case that being a woman benefitted Sen. Clinton."

Absolutely true.

I love coming here for political discussion you can't get elsewhere. Some of you are museum quality.

Posted by: cowbird girl

So sweet and true.

Yet some, like Mr. Democrat, are strangely of mausoleum quality.

Mr. D forgets that most of us remember his comments as "Bye Blah" -- sexist, racist and patently meanspirited. So his umbrage now is a joke.

Actually, this WSJ slant is the funniest of all....God 'amighty! I first thought it might be a joke....ala The Onion. But nooooo.

"In a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them."

What a great day! Happy Friday.

Jamie,
what does this mean? "If Barack Obama were white with his experience"

Mornin' all.

Marcia, it may have been before your time here, but just FYI, Mr. Democrat used to go under the moniker Bye Bye Billary, but dropped that to try and be less antagonistic toward Hillary supporters after Obama clinched the nomination. As you can see, the only thing that changed was the name. MD, stupid and blind are two things yoou seem to be familiar with, but misapply to some of the more intelligent and thoughtful posters here regularly. I guess you've been staring into the light too long.

Patsi, you said in your 7:47 comment the same thing I said to Mrs. P this morning while we were watching MoJo pointing out that the McSame campaign has not raised race as an issue thus far, so Obama did instead.

Anyone catch Axelrod trying to defend Obama's comments on MoJo this morning? It was clear that even he wasn't buying what he was trying to sell. Folks, the wheels are starteing to come off the train, and trying to stand on celebrity instead of going head to head with McOldfart is not helping Obama. It's just my opinion, but I attribute the falling lead reflected in the Gallup daily (now down to 1%) to the world tour and the appearance that Obama won't engage McNN directly. Berlin may have been a very gratifying stop for Barack, but it isn't helping him here. Get a grip, agree to debates, and spend your time campaigning in the US - or get used to the sound of President McCain.

Flatus, if you like Hogan's Heroes, and what's not to like - it has become a regular evening feature on TVLand. (Ch. 65 on Time-Warner Cable).

Mr. D makes valid points sometimes. So does Patsi. So do others. Better to focus on the comment and not who posted.

Read the comments for what is said.

Only way to learn something.

If that is the intent of this blog.

Patd,

The 15th amendment theoretically gave African Americans the right to vote. However, after Reconstruction, African Americans were effectively disinfranchised. And while white women didn't get the vote until the 20th Century, it could be argued that theoretically, their husbands cast a vote for their interests. Black women couldn't say the same as when the black man lost the vote, the whole black family was unrepresented.

Patsi: I don't hope to enlighten thickheaded people.

Jamie: You say that about Tiger now, but the same arguments used against Tiger (who does he think he is? Too young. Arrogant without having won yet. Overrated.) where said about him when he first got on the tour. You have the gift of hindsight to know that Tiger fulfilled his potential.

And you're using the classic trick of condemning the obvious as being racist and stupid, mainly because it's easy to do right now, but ignoring the contemporary equivalents because that's much harder to do and your interests might be tied to those interests.

And your notion that Barack only spoke at the Dem convention because of his color is as demeaning as saying that he wouldn't have gotten into Harvard without his race. What quantitative analysis do you have that says this is true? And if you make slippery slope accusations like that, then it is fair game to say that without Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton would not have the accomplishments she has now.

"Henry Diltz"

don't know him but I didn't know Leonard either before I went to that lecture and show.

I am looking forward to attending a photography opening at the Afterimage Gallery tonight over in Dallas. The opening is for a fellow named Robb Kendrick. He has been photographing working cowboys in Texas using an alternative photo method. He is making Tintypes. (the real name is wet plate colloidian) There is only one of an image and no enlargement. should be a good show here is his website pretty cool looking stuff. http://www.robbkendrick.com/

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Patsi, I can give you this. You've been consistently mean spirited and racist. So there's one for you.

Anonymous day...
everyone should post anonymously

"Read the comments for what is said.

Only way to learn something."

The truth of the matter is that race will play a roll in this election, so why is everyone so afraid to talk about it?

MD, stupid and blind are two things yoou seem to be familiar with, but misapply to some of the more intelligent and thoughtful posters here regularly. I guess you've been staring into the light too long.

Disagree. This is a stupid comment. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Expected more of you.

"It should be even more so with anonymous comments. They shouldn't start off with a credibility rating of, say, 0. It should be more like negative-30."

Doots -- Henry Diltz did the photo of Crosby, Stills and Nash....and maybe more on there. This morning, they said that when he took that photo the group hadn't named themselves. So when they did, the photo order was reversed and people got the names confused at times early on:

http://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/set/default.aspx?setID=223

UB

It was a response to Mr. D. and means exactly what it says. If Barack Obama were a white Senator who had limited Senatorial experience, no international experience, no important legislation on which he led, no real state level experience because of jumping from one position to another etc., then he would not be considered a serious Presidential contender for at least another four to eight years.

He never would have been given that prime time speaking spot four years ago that started him on his Presidential campaign in his very first year in the Senate.

It doesn't take a thing away from his brilliance or capacity to do the job to say, no one would have taken him seriously for several more years if he hadn't been black. Being black got his foot in the door. Now he needs to prove he can do the job.

He is very fortunate that the Republicans are running John McCain who has no business being anywhere near the oval office.

Bowman,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122788

I may be wrong, but I think there is a winning argument in the drilling issue - couched in the unused leases and lack of development of alternatives. If a died in the wool oilman and arch concerservative like TBoone can make the argument that drilling is not the answer to energy independence, although it is part of the answer, surely the Dems can make the same argument and move it down the list of approaches to address the problem instead of putting it at the top as Dumya and McCain are doing. I know it takes more than a sounjdbite to make the argument, and soundbites are what generally win elections, but jesus h. christ...

jamie, don't waste your breath explaining the difference between Obama beating Hillary and Tiger beating everyone. It is apparently too nuanced for a true believer to recognize.

Well here is good news, problem is we will probably never know the whole story as it is all grand jury material.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist

" their husbands cast a vote for their interests."

And that worked for you, huh?

Jamie,
In reality, that is something that can't be proven.....how do you "know" he wouldn't have been picked to speak if he was white?

Are you saying that he was picked to speak only because the color of his skin? And not for his beliefs? Or his ability to communicate and inspire?

UB: "The truth of the matter is that race will play a roll in this election, so why is everyone so afraid to talk about it?"

A good and important question.

Mr. D

"Jamie: You say that about Tiger now, but the same arguments used against Tiger (who does he think he is? Too young. Arrogant without having won yet. Overrated.) where said about him when he first got on the tour. You have the gift of hindsight to know that Tiger fulfilled his potential."

The remark about the fried chicken was made after he won the Masters. You don't get a green jacked without being able to play. Again, you are making comparisons that have nothing to do with the issue.

Now eight years from now if we are fortunate and President Obama does a magnificent job, you can say, "once upon a time they called him inexperienced and arrogant".

If Senator Obama had actually done the job of being senator for one term, I wouldn't be calling him inexperienced now, but he didn't. He set up an exploratory group before he had even been in the Senate a year.

Jamie,

You are proving my points better than I could ever. Your backhanded acknowledgment of Barack's brilliance and intelligence is tempered by saying that none of that matters because he could only have gotten the opportunity because of his skin color. You've just identified why racists think the way they do. It is literally impossible for them to think that the brilliance and intelligence were enough to move him over other, but instead, they have to go to the irrational thought that race was used as an advantage. Thanks for the post. It's a wonderful cut and paste explanation of how many people think about African Americans and their accomplishments.

"Henry Diltz did the photo of Crosby, Stills and Nash." Good grief they look young. I don't think I ever looked so young. I remember that image from "a galaxy far far away".

thanks for cluing me in about Henry.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

If Hillary Clinton were not married to Bill Clinton, she would not be senator from New York. If she was not senator, she would not be a presidential candidate. If she was not related to Bill, she would not have access to his financial support network. Works both ways.

John McCain's status as naval hero smoothed his entrance into politics. It weren't his academic standing at Annapolis.

Nelson Mandela was not a professional politician. Hell, he's a jailbird.

pogo,

"If a died in the wool oilman and arch concerservative like TBoone can make the argument that drilling is not the answer to energy independence,"

What TBoone actually said was drilling is not the only answer, as he is in favor of all methods to produce energy, including drilling. He is really big into solar and wind. TBoone thinks the mid-west is the best place for wind, west coast for solar. I don't see any problem with either one of them, but since the mid west is prone to tornadoes, what happens when one of these wind farm is leveled by a tornado?

Rez -- if you are out there -- thanks for the Tom Bark detective work. My son-in-law stopped by yesterday and was talking about some of the people his musician father had worked with....said his (late) father thought Tom Bark was one of the best. I had never heard of him, and it's sad that he seems lost to music history. I do hope you get that album, and who knows, maybe there is info out there so his legacy can be known.

MD - well said

Doots -- I remember when Henry was coming to town, and I was used to working with some of the so-called greats in music photography -- what a bunch of arrogant pricks! And Henry was SO much more accomplished and better known. Then he showed up and was a sweetheart. You'd have never known that he was considered top of the line.

Oh and by the way Jamie: The accusations of arrogance (on par with Zoeller), are occurring after Obama won the Democratic nomination. Yeah, you don't get the nomination without being a damn good politician.

"Are you saying that he was picked to speak only because the color of his skin? And not for his beliefs? Or his ability to communicate and inspire?"

UB,

There are excellent speakers in the Senate. There are excellent speakers in the Democratic pary. There are several people who share the same ideals and can communicate those ideas in an inspirational way.

I am saying that as a virtual unknown on the national stage, he would not have been given such a prominent role if the party didn't want to use him as an example of the "big tent open to all races" theme. His natural gifts combined with his color are what put him in the forefront of images the party wanted to project.

Obama's speech was very successful and put him on the road to the Presidential campaign. I don't know if you remember the disaster of Clinton's speech in similar circumstances when the party wanted a "Southern" strategy image. He really had to crawl back from that with a successful stretch as head of the Governor's association to get back on the Presidential trail.

Opportunites come about for all sorts of reasons. Sen. Obama has married his natural talents to the unique image of being half black in order to attract the attention necessary to run for president.

Sorry, UB -- Mr. D's post to Jamie is what is cut and paste BS. And it's an example of how people are not encouraged to talk about race. (On this board anyway.)

Mr. D -- go read blackagendareport and get back to me.

Patsi,

what is that guys name in Nashville that is considered the "go to guy" wrt photos? He has a bunch of them up at the Bluebird Cafe if I remember correctly.

there are pricks in all sorts of occupations Patsi.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"Unique image of being half black"... you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.

Patsi: What? Did you just google "black" "intellectual" and come up with the black agenda report?

Nice trailmix video today...why is there a dent in the flask? :)

I am happy to say no commercials in Cal -- or at least not on the teevee I see. I think the candidates are only come here to raise money to spend elsewhere.

md, not a golfer? The rap on Tiger was that he signed $60M in endorsement contracts before winning a professional tournament - and that lasted for 3 months after he turned pro. He had won more amateur tournaments and had been the youngest and only multiple U.S. Amateur (3 times) winner in history, and the year before he turned pro was the only amateur to make the cut in the Masters, was the leading amateur at the British Open and won the NCAA individual championship. The questions surrounding Tiger when he turned pro were about money and whether the Tiger brand would justify Nike and Titleist's confidence in his abilities, his talent and place on the tour was not questioned by anyone who followed golf. In less than a year he rose to No. 1, silencing the skeptics. While Tiger enjoyed celebrity early in his career, celebrity never made a long putt or won a golf tournament.

There is no comparison between Tiger Woods and Barack Obama in their respective fields.

"Patsi, I can give you this. You've been consistently mean spirited and racist. So there's one for you. " Beautiful ByeBye. This had to come. Can't defend so you bring out the ad hominem insults. What bullshit.

MrD made a valid point. The cut and paste was not the point that I was addressing, but far be it for you to recognize anything but the most negative morsel you can find....and then slam it missing the intent of the post!

Mr. D

I realize that this is talking to a wall, but saying that a condition exists isn't a negative.

There is nothing backhanded about saying that Barack Obama is brilliant, talented, and inspirational just because you acknowledge other conditions exist.

There is nothing racist about saying that given his limited experience, being black got those talents recognized and used sooner than they might have been otherwise.

Fry, that's what I said. You truncated the sentence.

You know what I really find amusing is how the McCain folks are playing Obama.
Any kind of racial politics is not in Obama's interest. But the Obama camp can't seem to help themselves.
LOL
This morning on GMA they were bringing up OJ Simpson. Stupid.
All the Obama camp should have said was, "Obama was not referring to the McCain campaign but to the inevitable attacks that will be launched by the Republican 527's. That would have made the basic point that Republicans are racist and it stops McCain from getting on national TV and playing the indignation role.

As it is the Obama camp is starting to sound like MD. And if you haven't noticed MD is busy turning friends into enemies. not good politics.

Jack

2 men arrested on Snoop Doog's tour bus for marijuana possession.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_en_mu/people_snoop_dogg_bus;_ylt=AjXO6TVvV9gcmar6vyDv2rlxFb8C

Mr. D

""Unique image of being half black"... you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper."

And you keep on insisting in seeing evil where none exists. How much commentary has there been throughout this whole campaign about whoever won the nomination would be making history. It would either be a black man or a woman. Either condition is a "unique image", a special something that has never existed before in a major political party and both Obama and Clinton used those "unique images" to their advantage.

News flash - John Edwards is white.

"I may be wrong, but I think there is a winning argument in the drilling issue - couched in the unused leases and lack of development of alternatives"

Pogo
It could be but I suspect the McCain reaction would be
"OK let's do that we need all options on the table"

then keep hammering away at the "Democrats oppose off shore drilling and want you to have high oil prices."

Jack

oops forgot the ~~~~~~~

Pogo,

Perhpas it is poor information management on the part of the democrats but that are getting tagged as obstructing energy independence.

Of course we have to develop alternative energy sources. A big breakthrough would be nice, but doesn't seem to something we can depend on. so mixed energy sources are our future for now. Wind is good, but it doesn't always blow, Sun is good but it doesn't always shine. To me it makes sense to explore for more domestically produced oil. And the arguement that it won't help for ten years seems foolish. Why wait? If we wait we just delay the availability of what is found.

I think electric vehicles are a good idea, but the batteries are a problem and it seems that the electrical grid would have to be expanded dramatically to accomodate recharging millions of vehicles every night.

an explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.

I disagree, Bowman. The sun always sheer here at Trail Mix!

Pogo,

I sit here next to Calloway irons and King Cobra woods. Very much a golfer. The point was that for many PGA golfers (substitute politicians in Barack's case), Tiger received hype and endorsement money for his amateur career, but hadn't proven himself on the Tour (or Barack as a "state senator" and then US Senator, prior to presidential run). Once Tiger won the Masters, he was subjected to the Zoeller vitriol (which mimics the vitriol Obama receives as the nominee).

Sturge! Couldn't start the dumbass hour without ya! LOL!

The sun always shines here, I mean.

Mr. D. I know someone who doesn't like Tiger for that very reason. With all of his endorsements, he doesn't even need to win on Sunday to make a good living. While most golfers on tour don't have the endorsements and they need to play to earn their living at golf.

Corey......groucho garcians.......it's quite neat to have a niche .......

the world little cares what storms you encountered along the way, but did you bring in the cargo?

"brilliance and intelligence"

LOL there are numerous individuals who fall into that category, but who can't bring themselves to acknowledge they made a mistake, or who keep changing the rules of the game to suit their current situation. Everyone must recall that BHO is only half black, but BHO has decided to portray himself as Afro-American. And it is for that reason alone that he has garnered 92% of the Afro-American vote. You have to wonder how many of those Afro-Americans would be supporting him in such large number if BHO would have said, I am a product of a mixed racial marriage, so I do not consider myself to be black or white. Or better yet taken a page out of Tiger Woods book when asked how does it feel to be the first Afro-American to win the Masters. Tiger replied, I do not consider myself to be Afro-American, to do so would show disrespect to my mother who is not Afro-American. It is BHO who keeps reminding us that he is a different color, it is BHO who keeps us informed that he is the first Afro-American to be nominated(?) by the D party to run for POTUS. BHO likes to bring race into the equation when it best suits him. If BHO was ice cream he be selling himself as a pure chocolate milk shake, the truth is he is a black and white shake. BHO has been playing the race all along, and when he thinks no one is paying attention he'll slip that card in from the bottom of the deck.

"08-01) 07:05 PDT ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) --

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for a $1,000 "emergency" rebate to consumers to offset soaring energy costs.

Obama says the rebate would be financed with a windfall profits tax on the oil industry.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery Friday at a town hall meeting in the crucial swing state of Florida.

Obama had earlier said the rebates should be part of a larger tax relief package. But now he says the slumping economy demands they be put in place immediately.

Obama's remarks coincide with the release of the latest unemployment figures, which show 51,000 jobs lost last month."

yeah but the people most effected don't pay taxes

I prefer to be a dumbass. My Dad has the grouch thing covered for my family. I'm outta here. Gonna go find some dogs and take them for a walk or something.

MD, Fuzzy Zoeller was more an idiot than a racist - although his advice on the choice of foods that Tiger should avoid for the Champion's dinner menu certainly didn't seem that way. You have actually picked the one thing that IMO is a valid comparison - Zoeller was mimicking Tiger's youth and inexperience, not his race, although his comments were branded racist.. I hope Obama can prove the skeptics wrong as well on that count.

Sen. Obama has married his natural talents to the unique image of being half black in order to attract the attention necessary to run for president.

Hillary Clinton just plain married. Granted, she's a policy wonk.

But competent executive? Surrounding herself with the best advisors? Were you around for her primary campaign?

Give it up Jamie. You are better than this sentiment.

Bowman, nail, head.

I didnt mean grouch......i meant groucho as in mucho gracias......lol.......or like mucus garcias......

hasta lumbago....

There are none so blind....

None are so fined as those who do not flee.

the sayings of Punbad the Railer.

Corey,

No, it is the wind that always blows around here.

Sometimes a hot wind, sometimes an ill wind, and sometimes, unfortunately, a smelly broken wind.

I like like the cool breeze of the early morning.

"Once Tiger won the Masters, he was subjected to the Zoeller vitriol"

Let's keep the record straight---To be accurate, Fuzzy Zoeller made his remarks just after finishing his final Masters round, having scored very poorly and before Tiger had actually won the tournament.

But the rest of the story is being excluded, unlike some here, Tiger Woods accepted Fuzzy Zoeller's apology for his remarks.

"At first I was shocked to hear that Fuzzy Zoeller made those unfortunate remarks. His attempt at humor was out of bounds, and I was disappointed by it. But having played golf with Fuzzy, I know he is a jokester, and I have concluded that no personal animosity toward me was intended. ...I know he feels badly about the remarks. We all make mistakes and it's time to move on."

And, yes, I have been known to play a bit of golf, & even been lucky enough to score a hole in one (and not with a Calloway).

And if you haven't noticed MD is busy turning friends into enemies.

Do you have no skills in this department? Is everyone equally a "friend" to you? To Patsi?

acutally full title:

The Auto Guest Book, Being the Maxims of Punbad the Railer Ga Raja of the Punjob, Vice-Roysterer of Notsopoor.

Jamie...your comment below
"Even with her charitable, international, and senatorial experience you could make a case that being a woman benefitted Sen. Clinton."

I'd be interested in reading your making this case and not that being a woman actually hurt Hillary,
I don't think you can make this case so "iron my shirts sweetie".

jamie,

"John Kerry picked Edwards as his running mate because he was white? "

"No I think he picked him because he needed an attractive Southerner to balance the ticket."

Not sure that Kerry picked Edwards, as Kerry always thought Edwards was pretty much a light weight. It is thought the DNC told Kerry he will have Edwards as his VP. Kerry now must be thinking maybe losing was a sign of things to come. What would be the story today had he won and this story about Edwards had surfaced?

I think so much money has been spent and the campaigns have been so long the public is numb to amounts. I don't get why Obama is resisting making joint appearances with McCain. The conventional wisdom is the contrast would work in Obama's favor.

John McCain ad irritates many in Hollywood

Just for a start, industry types say the ad is wrong: In the Hollywood lexicon, Obama is not a celebrity. He's a rock star. (Note to McCain strategists: That's the difference between Jessica Simpson and Bono.)

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-et-cause1-2008aug01,0,4172463.story

"John McCain ad irritates many in Hollywood"

Well that is good news!

Time to pick-up wife at the airport.

Have a great weekend.

Obama is staying on track with his campaign, and doing what he thinks he has to do to win the GE. I always find it amusing when people question, why one candidate isn't doing what their opponent asks of them.....

McCain is putting out the tackiest ads, almost like local cable ads....Is that the best he can do? I think it is. I can't imagine McCain gang sitting around saying, " this sucks, let's use it."

"there are pricks in all sorts of occupations"

Definitely true! Usually the ones who were the worst were in from LA...they looked down on any photographer from Nashville and made all kinds of disparaging remarks. Henry Diltz was the opposite. He hung out with some local photogs, admired their work -- treated them with respect. I really liked him for that.

this will be good I bet -

A soundtrack CD with songs dedicated to Obama is in the works (think of all that musical hope available for download to your iPod.)

FryDaddy,

You do realize the like of ...

Tom Selleck
Bo Derek
Shannon Doherty
Clint Eastwood
Arnold
Patricia Heaton
Chuck Norris
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Bruce Willis
Heather Locklear
and every jingoistic Pro Wrestler, including the Iron Sheik are Republicans and would take exception to your hateful remark? lol

http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/becksmith.jsp?p=ce_bsf_143

Country music stars, of course, are less reticent. Brooks & Dunn, Lee Ann Womack and the Gatlin Brothers all support Bush. And a few other celebrities are in Bush's corner, if not exactly speaking out on the President's behalf: Bruce Willis, Kid Rock, Kelsey Grammer, Alice Cooper and Britney Spears.

A few years ago, James Woods told Jay Leno he "loves" Dubya and was proud to have voted for him, and Danny Aiello has also been an unabashed Republican. It wasn't so long ago that Michael Moore's Oscar acceptance speech drew audible boos from some of the Hollywood rank-and-file. But at the moment, the Hollywood chorus of conservatives remains comparatively quiet.

Meanwhile, as the campaign has heated up, several news outlets have attempted to "out" Hollywood Republicans, including Details magazine. In a recent issue, Details named a few celebrities who are admitted conservatives, such as Jessica Simpson and Shannen Doherty, and a few surprises, such as Adam Sandler and Freddie Prinze Jr. Prinze's wife, Sarah Michelle Gellar, has expressed right-wing leanings in the past.

I hope Rick Davis doesn't protest the fact that thankfully, these guys don't look like the Gatlin Brothers..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFo4SNXD5BI

Doots -- forgot to answer the other question....you might be thinking of either Slick Lawson or Alan Messer. Both are amazing....although I've worked most with Messer -- what an artist!

UB, better hope Obama can "sing" then. I believe that McCain's folks meant that he's the biggest celebrity - not the biggest rock star. Seems the Hollywoodites who think they got it wrong missed the point.

OK, folks, I'm not going to link all the bad economic news today - suffice it to say that with the exception of Chevron's profit report (which has a familiar ring to the ones reported by Exxon and Shell) there's not much good to read. Jobs lost for the what, 7th, straight month, with manufacturing, construction and administrative services suffering the steepest declines? Wage growth less than inflation. GM lost more than Exxon profited. Unemployment rate at a 4 year high. Average work week fell .1 hours. I will provide one link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/business/02econ.html?hp

Don't open it unless you have a high tolerance for bad news.

Hey nonny nonny

"But competent executive? Surrounding herself with the best advisors? Were you around for her primary campaign? "

Can you find anywhere that I have said the above? I acknowledged a long time ago that her campaign was the pits until the end when she brought in a competent team and it was too late to save the campaign.

Misinterpret things I do say and I'll clarify, but it is impossible to defend things I've never said.

Pogo,

Some schmuck was on CNBC saying that with unemployment not as bad as expected and real wages increasing that things are getting better...

Funny how the people who said that the increase in the minimum wage are now using it as there glass half full life raft...

" Did you just google "black" "intellectual" and come up with the black agenda report?"

No, dope -- that's where I first heard about Obama keeping young blacks out of the photo ops in Iowa....a looong time ago.

Boss Tweed,

I said that you "could" make a case that being a woman benefitted Sen. Clinton not that I actually thought it did. I believe that it cut both ways. As far as making the run in the first place, it was probably more beneficial to be the former first lady.

Being a woman cut both ways. It attracted a lot of women who saw in her someone whose talents had been put to the service of a man who now finally got a chance to shine on her own both as a Senator and as a Presidential contender. At the same time it pulled in all the disgusting chauvenistic insults and prejudices.

Unfortunately, she couldn't overcome the combination of early campaign errors and the overwhelming adulation of Senator Obama.

“MD - well said”

Ditto

Does anyone really believe Barack Obama would look like all those other presidents on the coins? It’s like I’ve said before, McCain’s people (can’t give that old senile drone credit for anything) has attacks ready for if Obama does and if Obama doesn’t. And, it doesn’t matter what that is.

“but far be it for you to recognize anything but the most negative morsel you can find”

Again, ditto.

Example: “stop showing your ignorance”

"Danny Aiello has also been an unabashed Republican. "

That one really surprised me when I first heard it, Bear. Don't know why. And I hadn't heard anything about Freddie Je and Mrs. Freddie (Sr) -- that one also surprised me because Freddie Prinz was a rabid Democrat.

Bear, for god's sake. I can't imagine how anyone can look at that jobs figure in the context of the past 6 months and the rest of the economic reports out this week and see any glass (aside from oil stocks) as half full. One little cross exam question for the schmuck - if wages rise at a rate less than that of inflation, isn't that the definition of real wages falling?

Do all of those who denigrate McCain based on his age and who use demeaning insults to that end plan on euthanizing themselves before age 65?

McCain, poor candidate? Yes.
McCain, of an advanced age? Yes.
McCain, senile? I've seen no evidence of that.

See, I don't make fun of people's age, because if I'm lucky, I'll be old too someday, ergo, those old people now are me in the future.

I believe those who use such tactics demonstrate the fear that belies their overt hubris.

Posted by: Jack's friend | August 1, 2008 10:48 AM

WOW!!!!!!!

I have a friend!!!!
Not a very polite one tho.
A polite friend would have said it in an email.

But beggars can't be can't be picky.

Jack

I have a suspicion the raft gets pretty full when I show up here. I don't plan on perusing that venue to confirm, however.

Well, since the Dumb Drum has gathered a small band -- guess it's time to get back to work.

Patsi's on fire!

champ, as for me as one who makes fun of MOldFart, I don't plan to euthanize myself when I get to be McCain's age - assuming I live that long- and don't suggest that McCain do so either, but neither do I plan to run for president when I get to be his age. McCain is old, mean, apparently uninformed on many of the important issues of the day, and more and more like Bush on policy every day. It's more fun to make fun of his age than the rest of his traits, altrhough they are sufficient IMO to justify voting against him. As I've said before, atleast for me it's not that he IS old that bothers me, it's that he ACTS old. Now get off my lawn.

Time for lunch (oh, joy, salad again).

I'll bet Patsi has had more positive social interactions with people of color than you ever will. That's an easy postulation to disprove, though. Bad news is you're going to have to leave the apartment! Deep breaths, dude. A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

It might do you and a few others who don't know any blacks

Damn. We ran the wrong woman.

Fair enough, pogo. At least you can admit it. I think those who do level such attacks to so to the detriment of their own argument. Not doing their own candidate any favors, that's for sure.

I'm well aware of the manipulative technique that they are trying to employ in supposed service to their cause, i.e. planting seeds of doubt by continually reinforcing a particular theme----Lame!

Ragged old socks, thought they would have been tossed in the trash by now. lol

C'mon gang! I'm tired, sore, sapped of eloquence due to yesterday's lengthy participation, somewhat demoralized, an admitted racist... I'm an easy target. Now's your chance.

(crickets chirping)

Cowards.

Patsi,

I read this blog every day. I usually choose not to get involved due to the bad mouthing and arguing that goes on here. I realize what you were posting. I just don’t understand why you must always go so negative with those who don’t agree with you. You assume that everyone is stupid except those who agree with you most of the time. At least, that’s what I get from your posts because you tend to use the word “stupid” or “ignorant” so much.

Champ

In some ways it does just the opposite. If you have the impression of McCain as old, decrepid and out of touch.
Then the bar is very low for him to exceed expectations. Exceeding expectations could be the tipping point for an undecided voter.

Jack

I wasn't referring to Karo with that comment. I've had very little if any interaction with her. She doesn't post when I'm here, that much I know.

As for 'sustainable logic', I'll just smile and nod. Whatever.

WalMart was caught recruiting illegals in Mexico and smuggling them in to the US to work as night stockers and cleaning crews in more than 300 stores. This means WalMart trafficked thousands of people past Homeland Security.

These workers were directed to local food shelves for food, and to homeless shelters for housing. In cases where there was no local homeless shelter, the illegals were made to sleep on the floors.

The mccain/bush/cheney/gonzales/mukasey did not close the criminal enterprise (WalMArt) down, but allowed WalMart to fire a few management scapegoats. A new administration should make the prosecution, not the unionization, of WalMart a national security priority.

"McCain, of an advanced age? Yes."

Champ,

I don't think advanced age (characterized by age-related difficulties in doing daily tasks such as preparing food, driving, participating in outside-the-house leisure activities) starts until somewhere between a person's mid-80s and mid-90s. Obviously, there'll be exceptions to that range.

Mr McCain has obvious difficulty moving about. My guess is that is primarily related to the beatings he received. He also seems to have some vision problems (presbyopia?). That's a normal part of aging, not an exemplar of advanced age.

If you read comments by some of the older people here, they'll talk about administrations that will probably seem like ancient history to many people. But the reason that people refer to those administrations is because they see similarities between the situations in those days and the situations in the present day. An example would be the economy. Being able to draw on those similarities is generally thought to be why elders are believed to have special wisdom. That is, in societies that are not ageist.

Good post, Flatus, particularly the 3rd paragraph. I may not be familiar with clinical definitions of 'advanced age'. To my mind, it applies to anyone over 65, just because that is a typical demarkation used in contemporary society. I apologize if I misused the term, though I suppose it's only my argument that bear the brunt of my error, if I made one. Duly noted.

I think that being Hil'ry Clinton is what helped Hil'ry Clinton. The more often she debated & trounced the others, the harder she fought to stay in the race despite those calling for her to drop out, the more worthy she seemed of the office. Take gender & race out of the picture; look at actions & character. If we didn't have TV & the tubes of the internet...if we relied on a print report and candidates were only referred to as candidate A, B, C, D, etc., it would be much easier to see who would do the best job. This is, after all, a job interview and not a popularity contest for 8th-grade class prez.

OK, I'm out for a while. Not even going to lurk. As you were.

I see McCain's age showing in the dumb things he says...but then again, that just might be showing his level of intelligence and not be related to his age.

W-mart continues to benefit from high gas prices & people being un/under-employed. Should be called the spend-your-shrinking-dollar-on-stuff-manufactured-outside-the-states-and-priced-to-drive-all-competition-out-of-business campaign. ~Reputation.~

"The development deals a blow to Wal-Mart's reputation just as the company has started seeing its image improve and criticism diminish as it works to improve benefits and push through its "Save money, live better" campaign."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_bi_ge/wal_mart_politics

Dr. Jerome Corsi Claims To Have Tapes of Obama Campaigning For Odinga In Kenya

"Dr. Jerome Corsi told Sean Hannity today that he has tapes of Barack Obama campaigning for his cousin, Raila Odinga, in Kenya back in 2006.

Odinga’s trying to overthrow the US-backed government of democratically-elected President Mwai Kibaki, so he can institute shari’a law (fundamentalist merging of religion and state) in Kenya.

Obama campaigned for Odinga as a sitting United States Senator, where he spoke in front of crowds with his cousin Odinga:

There’s a natural train of logic here that could be very damaging for Obama in the general election ...

If Obama’s audience wanted to hear anti-American remarks, and Odinga always obliged these people, then Obama, with Odinga, at a campaign rally like this, as a sitting US Senator, well, ..."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/dr-jerome-corsi-claims-to-have-tapes-of-obama-campaiging-for-odinga-in-kenya/

(This is what Larry Johnson of NQ was referring to a few months ago.)

At least Danny Aiello is a good actor.

Gellar is a good comedienne. She has made some rightwing remarks, but I doubt that she is a bona fide republican. She's a loud atheist, so they'd never let her in the door.

We shouldn't forget that nazi-sympathizer, mel gibson is a republican.

bruce willis recently said that he isn't a republican, rather, he's independent and middle of the road. Ya. Like, Babs isn't a Dem, and jesse ventura isn't a loudmouth, Independence Party screwball, social-climbing idiot, and john at risque for catching stds.

Champ, don't feel bad, I remember joking with my contemporaries about Charles de Gaulle running for president of France back in 1958. de Gaulle was 68-years old at the time. The jab of the day was, "Would you put your 68-year old grandfather in charge of your affairs for the next four years?"

The French did just that, and then reelected him. He retired in 1969.

OK, so the Obamabots chanted to drown out people daring to question BO's stance.

"During his speech, Obama was interrupted by three men who stood up with a banner asking, "What about the black community, Obama?" Many in the crowd began chanting, "Yes, we can," the Obama campaign mantra to counter the criticism."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama

And maybe BO finally sees that it's getting out of hand, too. (Or, at least that he can't have it both ways.) I'm gonna take him at his word and hope that he has turned a corner so we can move on to the issues that need to be resolved.

"Obama stressed the need to be respectful, saying, "the only way to solve the problems in this country is if we all come together — black and white ..."

flatus,

What about chernenko?

On Day 1, The Obama Nation soars to #1: The Obama camp must be beside itself. WND’s Jerome Corsi has an instant hit on his hands with his new Obama book ...almost immediately climbing the charts to the top spot."

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

Unusual for him, as well.

Wow, living with and enjoying the company of black people for 25 to 50 years? Well hell, that's it then. You couldn't possibly be prejudiced or have racially insensitive beliefs! Hell, you even grew up on Motown and enjoy soul food, so you're all good on the race thing.

Dismissing mccain's crazy comments as merely 'dumb' makes the same mistake Dems made in 2000. Most Americans ID with dumb: they loved Gilligan, Barney Fife, and Ted Baxter. However, people fear madmen. We should have learned early on that babybush experiences midnight visits from Jesus.

Here's the point about mccain: any man who calls his wife a "dumb c!nt" in public has a serious emotional or mental flaw, that should not be dismissed as merely 'dumb.'

Mr. D

You are a major maroon. What do you know of the friends, neighbors, and acquaintances I have had all my life. What do you know of the events and circumstances that shaped my outlook on life.

I consider it more prejudicial to classify people by groups than to care about them as individuals. It is those like you who see only color that perpetuate the distance between races.

Blue,

Why do you continue to fret like you care about Obama when over a year ago you declared a snowball had a better chance in hell than your voting for him?

XR - I agree, I was trying to be less insulting....I think the man is really off his rocker, but since I can't prove it I chose the word dumb.

Actually, neither BO nor McCain are worthy of the office. The best person for the job this go-round was and is Hil'ry Clinton.

ps - That story didn't really show BO's supporters in a favorable light, but they were just being good cult members; they weren't shouting down those men because they were racist. However, it served to create a bigger story:
BO now sees the race card back-firing on him. (Let's hope that means he's hit bottom and can go into recovery.)

Some Democratic 527 should run a series of ads showing how McCain treats the people he supposedly likes...

The first ad would retell the story of when he call his wife a C#@$. Then show him speaking about his affinity for the troops then show all his votes against them.

Do that with his rape joke, then how he voted against women's issues or talk about his wanting to repeal roe v. wade.

There is audio of it, so you could always use McCains words with that "I just farted" smirk of his...

Because I find American politics to be increasingly absurd, I offer this video of something beautiful to enjoy.

"you say it best, when you say nothing at all..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNy9jTeolUk

champ, lol.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122954

Seek professional help, Tom. Please.

Blue,

You are the one proving to be the cult member because you refuse to acknowledge any of the short comings or your candidate. If she were the best candidate, she would have won.

Instead she managed her operation much the same way Mike Tyson and MC Hammer managed their own.

I didn't have a horse in the primary since I stated that I would vote for a steaming pile of shit before I voted for McCain. I see opportunities that Obama is wasting and it annoys the crap out of me.

You need to go listen to something other than the Indigo Girls and walk outside into the heat and humidity to realize Hillary was basically unopposed, spent $30 million in NY and couldn't win more than 67%...she could have gotten 63% spending no money...

unlikely_burrito,

You are obviously a kinder person than I am.

I cannot (even in my wildest flight of fancy & when I am reallyreallyreally p.o.ed about something) imagine calling Sweetie a "dumb c!nt," let alone doing so in public.

The man's bad manners display a mind that we should all recoil from in disgust.

"Some Democratic 527 should run a series of ads showing how McCain treats the people he supposedly likes"

Bear that would set off a pissing match that would make both candidates toxic with women voters.
LOL
Better wait until after the deadline for thirdparty candidates to get on the ballot or HRC would win in a landslide as a third party candidate.

I can see women on both sides going wtf did we do?

Jack

No- I think what McCain did was horrible, but, I think he has been that way he's whole life, and it makes me think that Cindy , even with all her money, is kind of rough......and mostly likely equally crude.

I wouldn't put up with that "talk" for a nano-second....He would be out the door ......

The End of the Dream...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/140060

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 1, 2008 8:38 AM

I think it is a pity. They could have really created a broad spectrum movement working together as running mates.

Patsi, I can give you this. You've been consistently mean spirited and racist. So there's one for you.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 1, 2008 9:39 AM

Stop that, it is patently false !!!

Jamie,

Did I miss something months ago, but what is it with you and Patsi and maroon? I take it you mean moron, but then I could've missed the joke!
Not being a wise ass, just curious.

Actually I had to double check it with google and wiki has a racial definition for maroon. As in separated group of slaves.

Never watched Bug Bunny, Rez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gsaDdqGzA

Patsi,

BTW , I am going to get that album and if it has a bio of the slipcover (as indicated) I'll be happy to share it here.

Hell, you even grew up on Motown and enjoy soul food, so you're all good on the race thing.
Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 1, 2008 1:01 PM

Mr. Democrat, Just exactly what is it you'd like us to do or say in order for you to forgive us for some wrong you're sure we're guilty of? Teach us. Save us. Help us.

Check this out...

Independent Weekly
Durham, NC

"White denial: Obama, race and America's selective memory"
30 JUL 2008 • by Hal Crowther

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A261700

maroon
A term of derision often uttered by Bugs Bunny when referring to an interaction with a dopey adversary. It is a mispronunciation of the word "Moron"

LOL, missed that episode. We didn't running water and electricity back in Oklahoma when I was a kid. Least that's what folks back east used to think .rofl

"Mr. Democrat, Just exactly what is it you'd like us to do or say in order for you to forgive us"
Posted by: guilty innocent | August 1, 2008 1:40 PM

-There's nothing you can do. If Mr D were to be successful in raising you to the level of supposed intellectual equality, he would negate his own self-perceived moral superiority, which he uses as a weapon in arguments for lack of a more effective technique.

You should take it as a compliment when he pulls the race card in debate, as it indicates you have left him with nothing rational to say.

Rez

I see the Bugs Bunny reference has been posted. That is the source.

... what an ultraviolet.

Rez -- hope you're still here...if there is some bio info, is there a way someone can include his name on Wikipedia?

Rez

I actually had to look up "maroon" in the context you cited. I've always been familiar with melungeon because there is an unconfirmed family suspicion that my great great great grandfather was one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon

bugs bunny would have been seen at the movie theater.......

I imagine anyone could Patsi. As long as it's not to long, I guess I could have one of the girls type it up, ROFL, and then post it there.

I keep you posted.

someone above tagged Hillary as "polarizing".....would that not, as evidenced by the great polarization now evolving in the democratic party and this blog in particular, also be an applicable term for Mr Obama?

polarizing.

sturg, I think one could reasonably draw that conclusion.

actually derisively "dismissed" Hillary as being polarizing as I recall......

You can polarize anything if you rub it long enough, Sturge.

lol.........you reckon?

Polarizing? Does that have something to do with global warming and the ice caps?

Well, now you're getting into issues of manipulation that you could further articulate beyond rhetorical query from which I believe the community would benefit, as it seems you carry some weight around these parts. Sincerely.

And, no; I don't need a weight pun, or any pun for that matter.

champ, you're venturing into dangerous territory there. lol

Well, that IS my middle name. Champ 'Territory' McGee. Parents had a twisted and obscure sense of humor.

Comic relief time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV1LWhNpTJU

...and so do you, pogo, I should add upon further contemplation.

"So John McCain is being bashed for his mendacious ad about Obama not visiting the troops because he could not bring cameras. Whoop dee doo. The problem is for three days that ad got run on free media. Dirty politics works and McCain has now shown who will go as far down in the gutter as it takes.

And why not? Dirty politics works. The Gallup tracker now has a once 9 point gap Obama held down to 4. Rassmussen has its Obama 7 point gap down to 2. Three guesses how that happened.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/30/134142/126

Jamie,

A couple of those European explorers during the days of Columbus had scouting parties that disappeared into the bushes, never to be seen again. Obviously not all were dispatched by the Natives. Probably some fast talkers back in those days too. lol Maybe?

heheheh,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122991

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122994

champ, when you talk about rubbing things to polarize them, I assume that's the manipulation you're referencing - and I'm not so sure polarization is the right word... (stop it, stop it, stop it).

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-122998

champ, well, thank you. I certainly hope so after a lifetime of seeing twisted humor in just about everything. Mrs. P just rolls her eyes when I laugh at stuff other folks don't find funny at all. I just say f*ck 'em if they can't take a joke.

I'm here trying to save the world from the comfort of my home, and you're here making dick jokes. For shame, pogo. FOR SHAME!

G.M. Loses $15.5 Billion in Quarter

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/business/02gm.html

The dismal earnings reflected the impact of steadily falling vehicles sales in the overall United States market, and a huge shift by consumers away from the trucks and S.U.V.’s that were once G.M.’s most profitable vehicles.

kc, well, not exactly - that 9 point gallup edge has been reduced to 0.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109219/Gallup-Daily-Race-Tied-44.aspx

sorry champ. Just... can't... help... myself.

All good, bud. Here's to ya.

... or was that joke 'em if they can't take a f*ck. I get those mixed up.

Dude! There's old ladies in here!

Gallup Daily Tracking

44-44

But not all the news is bleak for those who want a dem in the WH.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109036/Obama-Gains-Over-McCain-Swing-States-Since-June.aspx

(yes I know that's a week old, but back then the gap was just 2%)

Pogo
The poster must have used yesterday's numbers.
I wish they would do indepth interviews with the people who are changing their minds. 70% of Americans think Shrub sucks --how could any of them be voting for a third Republican terms? Especially since McCain has attached himself to Shrub instead of divorcing him. Although I did hear a quote from Limpballs saying --it's just five percent of Americans who are causing all the problems.

Rezdog

There is an interesting family photo with scads of unidentified people standing in a line on the porch of a farm house in Arkansas. The shades even in a black and white photo range from very, very blond on one end through obvious looks and shades of red, brown, and black. While we can identify my grandmother and great grandfather on the white end of the spectrum, who all the others are and how related is totally undknown.

My great great great grandfather is described in contemporary records in Kentucky as "swarthy" and is listed in census records as "white", but for some reason his daughters chose to list his grandparents rather than his parents on his tombstone.

I've seen a picture of one of those daughters and her features are decidedly indian with very black hair. So as with most people in this country whose line goes back to the first white settlements, heaven only knows what racial strains are present if not accounted for. :-)

Those would be BOWS, and they know.

Will there be a Jim Jones style suicide party if Obama loses? I don't see it happening, but I'd still lock up the Flavor-Aid as a precaution.

Dare I ask what the 'S' stands for? Silence will be confirmation of my suspicion. FOR SHAME! FIE!

If you want to know about the automotive industry, I'll tell you about it from my perspective. My plant makes doors, center consoles and cargo systems for cars. My department is very slow right now. We make vinyl bolsters that go on the upper part of the door panel for the Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator, I believe. I don't even work 40 hours a week, because we are that slow. They are now trying to come up with a plan to help us get 40 hours of work each week. Mainly through trying to put us in other departments on a temporary basis. There are only 2 departments I know of that are busy at work right now. One department just launched. They are very busy, but only run 2 shifts. The other department is the Lambda console line which we just picked up in July because the supplier that was building it before us completely dissolved. But, that line is only running production until December. We are getting new business in my department but it doesn't fully start until next May and it is only 1 or 2 machines. The other new business we're getting is for the Ford Explorer, but that won't arrive until 2011.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5919368.html
Comcast violated Internet access policy, FCC rules
By JOHN DUNBAR Associated Press
In a precedent-setting move, the FCC by a 3-2 vote today enforced a policy that guarantees customers open access to the Internet.

The commission did not assess a fine, but ordered the company to stop cutting off transfers of large data files among customers who use a special type of "file-sharing" software.

Comcast says its practices are reasonable and that the FCC's so-called network-neutrality "principles" are part of a policy statement and are not enforceable rules.

=====================

Now, let me get this right ... they can level fines but can't enforce their rulings?? doesn't make any sense ...

Wasn't it Comcast the one who blocked Pearl Jams online concert last summer???

I know it''s a dirty word, but ever since Reagan started the ball rolling on cutting regulations, over sight, .. no matter if it's Internet Provider .. Cable ... or Utility Companies ... we are slaves to this ...

yeah, I know, Repugs hate anyone looking over their shoulders, telling them they need to play fair ....

kc, that swing state polling actually was from the 23d, but your point is well taken - I just don't get it, either. (I get what you say, I just can't follow their reasoning.)

Actually, I think it was AT&T, but I could be wrong.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123009

like we've never heard that kind of talk before .. pleaseee ~~~~~~~~

is it possible that our mr. d is really a dirty trickster? i find it odd that a so-called pro-o man would bait and attack jamie (among others) who has declared an intent to vote for o and has come to o's defense several times on this blog. why else the demeaning, the denigration, the dissing of a political compatriot other than that he is here to stir up hatred against the very person he supports, or says he supports. mr. d is obviously a mr. r in d clothing.

btw, your comment "their husbands cast a vote for their interests" is laughable. in those days wives were chattel, property. it is equivalent to saying men cast their votes in accordance with the wishes or interests of their mare, heifer, jenny, or sow. and can you truthfully contend that not a single black man was ever allowed to vote in this country's elections before any black or white women were?

champ, the S shouldn't have been capitalized - in English, it indicates that a singular noun (or in this case acronym) has been pluralized. What did you THINK it meant? BTW, that could also have been BOWW.

The expected Democratic nominee should be well ahead at this point, prior to the onslaught of attack which will come.

We are in deep trouble Democrats. We have two solutions.

1. A different nominee..Hillary is my choice
2. Pray that McCain will implode as a candidate

Here's a high-quality Bugs Bunny cartoon form the Chuck Jones golden age of Looney Tunes.

All of the best Looney Tunes are directed by Chuck Jones, but all of Chuck Jones directed shorts are not the best Looney Tunes. He started to lose something into the 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzyNNhOeBw&feature=related

corey, isn't the Explorer one of the SUVs you can get at about a 50% discount these days? I wouldn't count on that product line for the additional hours.

Well, thanks for the english lesson, sincerely. I think it would be clearer if that were not the case (pardon the pun, oh hee hee (****ing puns)), but I don't make the rules.

...and rhymes with 'mutts', or 'ranks'.

Pogo

Unfortunately the Democratic strategy of doing nothing while Shrub is still in office is not helping anything. I think it is turning people off and making them think/feel all pols are alike.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123024

OD, a bettin' man would put his money on 2.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/31/2008-07-31_hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html

All blog and no play makes champ a dull boy.

*Fwoosh!

I've seen a picture of one of those daughters and her features are decidedly indian with very black hair. So as with most people in this country whose line goes back to the first white settlements, heaven only knows what racial strains are present if not accounted for. :-)

Posted by: Jamie | August 1, 2008 2:21 PM
=================

Jamie: I'm sure if we all could actually trace back to when our families came to America .. we'd find a whole lot of ethnic back grounds .. when I hear Skin Head Stories, wonder what they'd do if someone DID trace them back to what they hate .. love to see their faces, lol

Pogo..Yes,but if things continue to fall apart..who knows. We volunteers still have the hugh freeway overpass signs in our garages..just in case.

For McCain to implode --the media would have to as well since they are his base...despite all the whining he has done lately --the media (sic) still cover and lie for him.

Mom still has hers attached to our porch, lol

well .. er .. not a hugh overpass size ... !:^D

I've learned a lot about cars and trucks over the last 13 years, Pogo. All of them have programs that run for 4 or 5 years. Some of our business lately has been replacement business. Programs we pick up in the middle of their run. They last for 2-3 years at most. Car and truck production numbers usually drop in July, but pick up in August. Usually that's when the new model year starts. However, sometimes production numbers drop, but becuase the demand is low, they don't go back up. That's what's happening now.

champ, I wouldn't go there - not nice.

KC, that's pretty obvious - and presidential-like speeches to adoring (or drunk) crowds of furriners doesn't seem to be the something that needs to be done. I was listening to Bernie Sanders on Thom Hartman's show at lunch, and he explained that the nothing getting done in the Senate is a result of the Repugs' single-minded decision to stall or block any legislation unless and until the offshore legislation is repealed. I'm interested in seeing their explanation for voting against the 2009 defense appropriation bill. Should make for some interesting verbal gymnastics, and I don't mean opera.

Viv.good for Mom.I wear my Hillary pin.

""brilliance and intelligence"

LOL there are numerous individuals who fall into that category, but who can't bring themselves to acknowledge they made a mistake, or who keep changing the rules of the game to suit their current situation." - Fry

...and they seem to have congregated on Trail Mix....

"that the nothing getting done in the Senate is a result of the Repugs' single-minded decision to stall or block any legislation unless and until the offshore legislation is repealed."

No doubt. The Democrats have never been as good as finger pointing and blaming -- I think Dems need to act like Republicans until the Republicans are all gone.

Katherine G.C.

I think the press is involved in a polygamous political relationship with Obama and McCain.

OD, me too .. got it on my Hard Rock hat I wear when I go out, !:^D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-vA50oJSM

corey, just kidding. Ford (like GM) has shown that it is perfectly capable of staying well behind the wave of the car buying public's preferences. Makes for financial reports like GM's today. I doubt that Ford's is much better if at all.

I think the press is involved in a polygamous political relationship with Obama and McCain.

Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 1, 2008 2:46 PM

stabbing out my mind's eye...(miss you EdVB) got a very bad mental image involving the candidates -Keith Olbermann and Sean Hannity

Viv

Absolutely. I know for a fact that I am Scots, English, German, and probably Indian. So did my olive complexion come from my father's dark celtic looks or from my mother's side of the American stew. Since I have one blue eyed child , I have at least one blue eyed gene. Did it come from some highland chief or a germanic strain. Then there is the brown eyed gene present in my daughter's huge "puppy dog" eyes ... Indian or some Spaniard landing in England after the Armada?

Run my DNA and about the only thing that would surprise me would be Chinese ... oops there is that ice bridge bringing Asians to America. So I guess even Chinese wouldn't be a surprise.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123046

ewwwwwww ... I did too, when I read that ...

{{ shutter }}

"She was lookin' kinda dumb with her finger and her thumb in the shape of an "L" on her forehead"- Smashmouth in the song "All Star"

Jamie,

I hip to the ancestry trip. I'm always digging. As far as my Indian ancestry, the hard records run cold in the late 1700s. I have to dig into the historical records from people like D. Thompson and L&C, then we start talking anthropology. lol

Jamie, I beieve it was the comedian Bobcat Goldwaith who was discussing ancestry with some young guy who was railing against people who come to live in America from other countries. Bobcat said to the guy, "That's funny...you don't look Cherokee to me."

"Let's not be L-7."

Domingo Samudio

I like to claim that my entire family came to the new world through Georgia. And they may have.

Have a nice day! Off to Portland for the afternoon..remember..Ignore the knotheads!

Rez

Six sisters. Want to try and take a guess as to lineage? lol

http://bp2.blogger.com/_NqhdO5sZ4x4/Rv7thcfVLGI/AAAAAAAACYw/SAKMzZ8z7y8/s1600-h/PiferGirls.jpg

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123047

Jamie: I wish I knew .. in Mom's famly alone .. out of 7, 5 female & 2 male ... 4 of the gal have the brown eyes, hair, skin, like Indians, but the last gal & the boys, both have light blue eyes with blonde or very light hair .. but their parents had Blue eyes ... and all the kids & great kids, are just as mixed, lol

At least I know my daughter is ½ French Candian Indian .. just don't know the tribe ... lol

Howse about this one for hand signs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjpc_IP_o0U

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/business/02auto.html?ref=business

Corey, like I said. Overall Ford's US sales were off only 13.3% - just over half of GM's US sales decline.

"Ford said its car sales were up 7.8 percent in July but that sales of S.U.V.’s, a segment that used to generate huge profits for all three Detroit automakers, plunged 54.4 percent. G.M. sold 18.9 percent fewer cars and 34.7 percent fewer light trucks."

54.4% - that's almost half, right? :-(

Maybe Honda is hiring? Toyota?

Viv

East coast Canadian Indian tribe is most likley Algonquin.

Jamie: I know we talked when I first came on & I was suppose to email you .. but I could never get thru to your email .. don't know if it's Yahoo acting up, or Vista or both ... am still learning about Vista & all the security on it ...

ok .. maybe I can look into that for her .. Carrie's wanted to know, but for some reason, won't ask her Grandfather .. you see, her father was adopted at Birth & she's not close w/father at all ...

We do business for Honda and Toyota as well, UB. Their sales numbers are down as well. Besides, it all depends on what cars you build parts for. I think we may possibly be getting the door panel for the Honda Civic in the future. That would be a high volume door for sure.

Viv

webthings at comcast dot net

You know to substitute the @ symbol and the period for at and dot.

Reminds me.. . did you hear the one. .

That cute little blue-eyed blond with the great assets I met in the bar back in college said; "I wish I was part Indian"

Of course, my reply,'"If you want a little Indian in you; come with me tonight!" ROFL.

i've always been grateful to those algonquins for giving dot parker, benchley and their friends a place to hang out..........

ub, don't count on a job at Toyota - their US sales were off 11.9%. Whudathunkit?

ARthur wasn't the only one with a round table.

I talked with my sister today. I might go help my brother-in-law with his job. It would help me supplement my income right now.

OK, time fora non sequitor. From Krugman's column today - feel free to use this when your nutcase friends start talking about drilling offshore.

"A McCain campaign ad says that gas prices are high right now because “some in Washington are still saying no to drilling in America.” That’s just plain dishonest: the U.S. government’s own Energy Information Administration says that removing restrictions on offshore drilling wouldn’t lead to any additional domestic oil production until 2017, and that even at its peak the extra production would have an “insignificant” impact on oil prices."

Could one of you folks who are in tight with the Obama campaign (I doubt they would look at an e-mail from me -I still get e-mail from the Clinton campaign and none from the Obama camp) send this to them for Barack's use in a debate with McCain - assuming they eventually have one?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123067

Rez:: LOL !:^D

Well Pogo, we know that the US Government is never wrong.

Everyone mark you calendars!

Barack's 47th birthday is Monday the 4th

Here's one for you G Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVzHm_S0-A&feature=related

Maybe that's why I have the night off from work that day?

Pogo,

To further your point, I heard an "expert ' on the radio the other day say that there are ZERO off-shore and zero land use drilling rigs available today. Seems they're all up and running.

LOL Corey, it's only right!

HMMM, seems like maybe this drilling thing is just another shiny object to hold up for the NITWIT VOTERS to look at. Now I'm disillusioned.~~~~~~~~~~~ :-)

Rez, there better be cake and ice cream or I ain't going to the party.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123076

Bowman, I take that on faith (good thing, too since the facts seldom back that up).

Pogo,

Fortunately I have had little interaction with Agents of the Federal Government. There is one encounter I did have with a gentleman from the EPA who did assure me that he, in fact, was the federal government and was never wrong. I did not bother to argue that point.

phil aint a'marchin' anymore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5pgrKSwFJE

Bowman, I've had more contact with USG personnel over the years, including the EPS, IRS, FBI etc., than I like to think about, and with the exception of one IRS investigator and an FBI agent who was working with him I've never run across one who even suggested that they were anything other than infallible.

Speaking of Calloways, Cobras and women:

Michelle Wie is poised to become the first woman since 1945 to make the cut in a PGA TOUR event, after she carded an impressive 1-over 73 yesterday at the Legends Reno-Tahoe Open.

The only other group that I know of that is even more perfect that the Feds (and no this is not an Obama slam) are the Texas Rangers

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/texas_rangers/#HistoricalDevelopment

Rez, maybe not - Wie's 4 over through 16 so far today, the projected cut is ether going to be an even par 144 - she'll miss the cut by about 5 at this rate. You have to give her credit for her persistence, which is of course not what she is after.

False alarm doesn't look like Wie's going to make the cut!

Well, kids, have a good weekend.

Economic models predict clear Obama win in November

It really is the economy, stupid! Economic models that have correctly predicted the winner of almost all post-war U.S. presidential elections say recession fears will secure a victory for Barack Obama in November.

Any further darkening in the economic outlook -- many analysts think things will get worse between now and November -- would reinforce that election outcome.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080801/pl_nm/usa_politics_economy_dc_2

sorry about that ..obviously incompetent at only getting the part about the polling for Biden...Craig feel free to delete

here's a link to the page apparently polling on Biden

http://dyn.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/index.cfm/category/JoeBiden

Hey guys....
I'm gonna have a blast at the fair this year.....
my neighbor to the left is a female leather worker and a big Hillary supporter....
my neighbor to the right is a female photographer and a big Hillary supporter....

the photographer is also a blogger..... she lurks this site and when she found out that I am RebelliousRenee, she freaked!....

opening day tomorrow..... I've talked to many crafters that have said they've done very well with their fairs this year and were surprised because they didn't expect to...... hope it's a good sign....

RR
Hope it is a big success sounds like fun already..

here is the new McCain ad
title "the One"

http://www.johnmccain.com/

it's on the McCain front page

McCain's ad campaign is really lame.

Does this appeal to anyone here?

The Democratic Platform committee is meeting in Cleveland starting this afternoon...

In 2004,John Kerry insisted on removing support for the death penalty from the platform. It was the first time since the 1980's that the Democratic platform did not contain an endorsement of the death penalty. I hope that continues.

Mr. Democrat(?) FYI..... In 1907 Teddy Roosevelt said" If you are American, you are American to the EXCLUSION of all else(this includes Africans). So black or white you are an American, or your not. It seems Obama and his ilk are NOT.......

Rita

That's a great ad, UB. See it from a different perspective. Tag line at the end sucked, but everything else was very effective.

Should have ended with, "He may be the One, but is he the RIGHT one, for America?" and ended with the German throngs around the 'Victory Column".

Hey, I'm looking for a job, if any of you lurking ad men need some real muscle...

" I AM, I SAID" ........Neil Diamond. I believe it's applicable.

Rita

" It seems Obama and his ilk are NOT......." PoliticallyPissed

What make it SEEM that way to you?

_____

Champ - the ending left open the chance to say" Yes Yes he isthe one - Not you gramps! "....Additionally, old timer movie clip...yuck!

basic mkt 101...lasting impression doesn't leave the viewer wanting to support McCain, the ad stunk (imo)

What mocking juvenile crap will McCain put his name on next? It a pathetic display.

Pretty ironic that I wouldn't have even seen it if you hadn't linked it here, huh?

Maybe he is trying to appeal to his base? Or the disgruntled Hillary people? He's not appealing to anti bush people....there was no message except anti Obama....

Well it's all over the news already....

Come to think of it, the more I consider it, the more likely it seems that you are in fact a McCain agent, UB. You expose those to his message who would not otherwise be privy, and you make a poor argument on Obama's behalf, possibly even alienating undecided voters with your tone and use of pejoratives...

Am I freaking you out yet? Because I'm thoroughly freaked myself.

I don't own a TV, UB! And yes I think that makes me cool!

Champ,

get over yourself....yes I am a secret agent.......lol

"Andrea". Awww, that's sweet. Is that your imaginary TV girlfriend?

See WHY I don't own a TV, UB? They make you stupid.

Oh, there's plenty of work to be had if I want it. Fortunately for me, I'm in a position to be particular at the moment. I'm still on-call with my previous employer anyway, so I pick up some spending cash every now and again.

UB

The Paris ad was just plain dumb. The new Moses ad is humorous up to Moses point but then has no ending and won't be effective other than a one time giggle.

Neither ad is going to move any Democrats to McCain and there is no information there to move independents.

You can get rid of your TV, too, you know. It's not as hard as you think, and you won't miss it once you get past the withdrawals. It's like most other drugs; you'll get over it in about a week.

So basically, look over here at my [McCain's] silly ad and pay no attention to reality:
- don't look at the economy
- don't think about the war
- don't try to buy gas
- forget about health care

What a moron.

"Come to think of it, the more I consider it, the more likely it seems that you are in fact a McCain agent, UB."

Yes!! I knew it! LOL

Champ I rarely watch tv....actually hadn't been watching for several months until last week when a Pinnacle media center was added to my puter.

Get a grip, UB. Seriously, step outside yourself and consider your last set of comments. Don't roll your eyes, don't think up a witty retort, just think.

As for me, I want to ride my bicycle. Have fun.

^(replace all preceding imperatives with "I humbly request you...")

UB

About that you are absolutely right. This has been a campaign with absolutely no discussion of the issues. It doesn't help that the media goes on a 24 hour a day loop of the latest inanity rather than saying HALT! If you discuss issues you get time. If you don't there will be no mention of your name.

If they really wanted to serve the American public, that would be the tack to take.

lol::::::::::::::eye roll:::::::::::::::::perfect thanks for the suggestion. : )

I imagine that this is phase one of their campaign and that , in few weeks that McCain ads should be changing into a more effective message.

I don't think McCain can continue with "you-tube" quality ads...it's just too tacky for the position. I could see these ads from 527's but not directly from the candidate.

Renee

Have a wonderful time. Sell lots of lovely things, and I hope your booth mates drop in as well as lurking.

"Get a grip, UB. Seriously, step outside yourself and consider your last set of comments. Don't roll your eyes, don't think up a witty retort, just think"

lol::::::::::::::eye roll:::::::::::::::::perfect thanks for the suggestion. : )
Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 1, 2008 5:56 PM

One more thing about the McCain ads. The obvious mismatch of mouths and words make it look very, very cheap.

The trailmix videos that Craig puts up every day have been production values than anything the McCain people have created.

Maybe Craig needs to pick up a consultant fee to show them how to do it correctly.

"Oh, there's plenty of work to be had if I want it. "

Ha! Good for you champ -- deflected the snark nicely...

such a thoughtful sort......lol

"- the economy
- the war
-gas
- health care"

I'll be waiting to see what -- if any -- of these problems Obama solves. And how much of the change is smoke and mirrors.

Vincent Bugliosi is complaining that he can't get on MSM shows to discuss his new book - "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder". I heard him on a netcast.

http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/?gclid=CKmerrfP7ZQCFQplHgodAxqRqQ

The thing that is so funny about a McCain YouTube ad is that the kinds of people he reaches think a YouTube ad is a new kind of tire!!!

"Ageism (sometimes 'agism') is a social attitude. It is way of looking at older people that stereotypes them, just as people of particular races are stereotyped as being "smart", "industrious", "thrifty", "lazy", or "easy going" or when men and women are stereotyped as being "strong", "nurturing" or "sensitive" because of their gender."

"Ageism is also part of attitudes where people believe that older adults can be treated in demeaning ways. Many people note that as they grow older and as they reach certain age milestones (age 65 being one of them), others begin to treat them differently. Their attitudes change. In many cases, being treated differently means being treated as “less” — less valued, less capable, etc. Or they are stereotyped. That is ageism."

Why Does Ageism Occur?......
http://wiki.gosurf.tk/index.php?title=Ageism

Obama's now considering offshore drilling...what's next?

What's next?
What Hillary said!

what I'm listening to on pandora
Warren Zevon - Carmelita

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb0OI8wXN4

Here's a four hour old article with Obama OPPOSING off shore drilling

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g3jYOLGEhVkPK4v-HWPexFIrGDYAD929LU980

four minute old story saying Obama changed his mind.
Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer

Friday, August 1, 2008
(08-01) 16:07 PDT ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) --

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

(CNN) – After a week of bare-knuckle political brawling on the trail, it seemed Friday John McCain’s campaign had found religion.

In a Web ad e-mailed to supporters, the McCain team painted Barack Obama as a recipient of near-messianic hype – and a candidate all-too-willing to believe it.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/01/mccain-ad-on-obama-they-will-call-him-the-one/

Same AP writer fo both stories
Heard he is being treated for whiplash

"Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling"

Change we can believe in...

UB..... I didn't intend to upset anyone, but I will not sit back and listen to the supporters of "The One", guys like Ludicrus, who are definately more African than American... and this race is about electing and AMERICAN president.

Jamie; 5:49...... I agree wholeheartedly, and I think I would collapse in dismay if anyone sat down to discuss the issues - the only one who was making reference was Hillary.

Rita

Just for the record. Hillary Clinton opposed to Offshore drilling except in areas NOT covered by the Moratorium and only as part of an overall energy program.

Just to be fair. The Obama campaign disavowed the Ludicris song and said he should be ashamed of himself for criticizing Clinton and McCain with the language he used.

Yesterday Obama supporters said no off shore drilling-it wasn't necessary because gas prices are dropping
I await the spin.

If they actually knew about him disavowal would shortly follow........lol

"Adding their own take on the debate are the Sierra Club and MoveOn.org, which announced Thursday that they will air ads criticizing McCain's call for expanded oil drilling and tax proposals that would benefit oil companies."

LOL
Think how these folks are feeling right now.
Somebody got off message lol, or maybe the folks over at the National review are right when they say. "every Obama position has an expiration date, every one!"

Not a good week, TGIF, gives him the weekend to spin out of this one.
LOL

Jack

"Adding their own take on the debate are the Sierra Club and MoveOn.org, which announced Thursday that they will air ads criticizing McCain's call for expanded oil drilling and tax proposals that would benefit oil companies"

Moveon will change their ad. The Sierra Club doesn't appreciate tread marks.

more from my pandora, john Prine station

Violent Femmes - Jesus Walking On The Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxXJ8iTzmyE

Hillary will not have her name put in nomination at the convention

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/31/2008-07-31_hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123123

Champ .. nawww .. not me love my Sci-fi shows too much, !:^D besides, I need something to watch on those long nights of no sleep ...

Jack

SEveral people have John Prine stations on Pandora. What name do you go by so I can check out yours?

Take a listen to

Eclectic R Us

Viv

Dr. Who finale on Sci Fi channel tonight.

I just got back from the *Taste of Holland* festival. That was the attraction downtown tonight. They had about 15 restaurants or so down there. The steak skewers covered with gorgonzola butter were pretty tasty tonight! They also had a live band down there tonight. Playing all the usual top 40 classics. They even played "Cool Jerk". Tomorrow, I'm gonna go to the Coast Guard Festival in Grand Haven and tour the ships.

http://www.coastguardfest.org/index.php?i=ShipTours

The Washington Obama campaign wants me to canvas for them this weekend. Guess they didn't believe me when I said they got one vote but not one dime and not one minute.

It will be interesting to see if what numbers they turn out for something so "old fashioned" as knocking on doors.

By the way, I made some Kool-Aid earlier. Does anybody want some?

It's like kicking Heroin, Viv. Tough to do, but you'll feel great eventually. You won't miss those Sci-Fi shows at all, and you'll sleep well at night knowing you don't have TV to watch to keep you up.

I used to like History and Science shows. Don't miss 'em at all, and miss the advertising even less than that. "Man Vs. Nature" was my favorite until I found out that *****r was a scam-artist like the rest. "How It's Made" was pretty cool, too, but very exemplary of the hypnotic effect TV has.

It's all a false reality to substitute for the seemingly mundane existence we lead daily, but yet it's in all forms inferior to the latter. What garners praise more than a visual program (cinema or television) than one that supposedly reflects accurately the true nature of things? Cut out the middleman and just throw away your TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0BHxhUnokU&feature=rec-fresh

Jamie: Yep! got it all set so my Dish goes there at the right time, lol
but have to say, not liking the Donna character very much ...

then after that is Stargate Atlantis .. love 'em as much as the orginal ... though was disappointed that Carter won't be ont herre this year .. not that she was much last year either .. since she was off filming the 3 Stargate movies ...

Patsi is a racist spinster. Thanks for the reminder, Champ.

champ
TV is no problem. But how the FK do i kick the computer habit. There is always something new out there.

Jack, information junkie.

Oh, you are SO lucky I have better things to do right now, Mr. D; cuz I would LOVE to mix it up with you. I know Patsi can take care of herself anyway, though, so have fun. Another time.

Patsi is a racist spinster. Thanks for the reminder, Champ.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 1, 2008 8:01 PM

I didn't realise that MD was the one that got the reminder.

LOL

Jack

Viv

She's a good comedienne but just doesn't seem to mesh with the Dr. Who character, certainly not the way Billie Piper played Rose. I don't know if Tennant is coming back or if he will regenerate to someone new with this show.

I don't watch stargate, but I really like Torchwood and then Eureka that started its new season this week.

Internet is boring to me, Jack. Why do you think I'm on here all the time?

"By the way, I made some Kool-Aid earlier. Does anybody want some?"

I'll take green, Corey....in honor of the only color I see when I look at Obama.

It's like kicking Heroin, Viv. Tough to do, but you'll feel great eventually. You won't miss those Sci-Fi shows at all, and you'll sleep well at night knowing you don't have TV to watch to keep you up.
================

Champ, that's not what keeps me up at night,
Tv actually keeps me company when I'm awake from pain ...

Final thought:

There's nothing new under the sun, Jack. People just forget.

If I had the time I would go back and find my post that predicted that Obama would be backing offshore drilling. But I won't waste my time.

I was against drilling before I was for drilling. This will be a problem no matter how it is spun. Democrats have not figured out how to deal with American car culture. Example: Hon. Chas Rangel has a big ol' Caddy. Let's see him trade that taxpayer funded limo for a Focus.

Personally I love that old Detroit Iron: Buick Electra225 was my dream car, but until those offshore wells come on line I'll just keep driving my Subaru.

Get real people. You have two choices in the general election…actually you have three. You can vote for Obama, vote for McInsane, or not vote. The last two will get you just what you have had for the last eight years. If either of the two latter are your choices, you are very satisfied with your life the way it is, you are very, very rich, or you don’t give a damn about anyone else in this country who is suffering in spite of trying very hard to make it, IMO. BTW, I’m not employed but actually getting by better than many, so don’t think of me when you think of those trying very hard to make it, even though I still try very hard every single day. I just have empathy for those who are suffering and there are many in Ohio.

BTW, as a child I stole the packets of Kool-Aid and took my finger, wet it, stuck it in the dry Kool-Aid, and licked the stuff from the packet dry. That’s the way I liked it. So, I don’t drink Kool-Aid!

Sturge, I'm calling the dumbass hour to order!

Just catching up on the posts of the last couple of hours. It is pretty obvious who is not just one, or two, or three tokes over the line. It must have some PCP or Angel Dust on it to cause such an obvious anti-social reaction. Maybe we should put the Psycho Ward on alert.

Yes, love Touchwood & Eureka!! I noticed they're going to have his daughter on more often .. like how they made her a genius too, lol

Yes ...she was so good, with both actors .. I keep meaning to go to their web site to see what's what, but haven't yet ...

A couple of other BBC shows I like are Robin Hood & Wire in the Blood .... most of our channels have those dreaded reality shows, HATE THEM !! ... give me a good plot line anyday ... better than make up conflicts in a house of 20 something people ... lol

Oregon Democrat - I'd like to report that I have managed to avoid EVERY post from anyone on my list of knotheads. I have 8 on my list, you know, but I'm thinking one is a troll, so guess that makes just 7. I'm very happy with my discipline in looking at names before reading the posts.

For those who want to suggest that I won't learn anything if I ignore opposing viewpoints, I'll just say that I avoid those knotheads because I have already learned that they do not present viewpoints - all they do is insult and call names. I read and hear opposing viewpoints all the time, just not here. If the anger against my opposing viewpoint would calm down, maybe we could get somewhere.

When we were kids, my mom said she thought we might be part Indian, we were thrilled. We all preferred Tonto to that boring Lone Ranger. Years later she confessed that she thought one of her uncles had married a woman who was part Indian. I'm glad she waited till we were grown up before she broke the news

A guy on Fox (muted) is a prof at City College of New York and his name is L'Heureux Lewis. I love it. What cool parents to name their kid something so neat. He's an Obama supporter and made his case. I just love that name.

Oh, yeah, I will accept the designation of 'old woman'
as a matter of fact, but draw the line at allowing it to be used as a reason to stop telling dirty jokes!
Unfair - discrimination - censorship!

Karolenna

We have an excellent grasp of reality. Anyone who believes in the principles of the Democratic party has two choices: Either vote for Obama or if you know you live in a totally safe blue state, don't vote.

That doesn't mean we have to support every decision he makes or position he takes. In fact right now I think he is losing a major opportunity to demonstrate that he is a leader by not calling out the Republicans on the whole offshore issue.

Don't compromise, prove he has REAL, absolute convictions. Conservation will bring down prices. Drilling will not make one drop available for years. Lay out the facts and LEAD.

"BTW, as a child I stole the packets of Kool-Aid "

Question: what do they call a KoolAid thief?
Answer: Felony stupid.

Oh, just kidding...lololololol

Robin Hood is coming up on its finale. Wire in the Blood was great. They have tried to do an American version of Life on Mars and the reviews have already been hideous. Americans just have a real problem with that type of humor.

Harbor and I are still in mourning over the cancellation of Moonlight.

Viv

If you like Torchwood, you do know there are scads of cuts on You Tube of him singing. Talk about talent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibaQiXrQ30I&feature=related

Jamie

I use the same name as here.
I don't use Pandora much. I like the way it used to be better than now. It used to offer up a large selection of people I had never heard of but I know almost all of the selections now.

Jack

Me too on Moonlight .. it's like, if it's anything of substance, they cancel .. ok, time for Sci fi, !:^D

Jack

I'll see if I can pull it up. I gets lots of things I don't know, but that may be because I've seeded so many different types of music. I simply never know any more what thread it is going to travel

wow! if i could say anything, this blog is hysterical - don't be surprised if it ends up in print.

65 to dead............lol

CNN is doing a block buster expose on infrastructure and the way the Federal government has totally abrogated its responsibility.

Starting with Jefferson we know that infrastructure creates jobs. Federal programs have pulled us out of recessions, created jobs, and made life better all the way to Ronald Reagan when things turned into pork barrel, power politics.

Another area where Obama could lead. He needs to start pushing issues instead of platitudes.

UB

Would you like to share the joke?

sorry cross commenting......no biggie...it was on count down...

Craig is on

Well that explains that. I don't watch Countdown now unless Craig is on.

A priest, a Rabbi and a hippie walked in to a bar ....................................................

"drink beer with fat people".......that's funny
what Craig said on Count down

I'll take green, Corey....in honor of the only color I see when I look at Obama.

Jealousy, one of the deadliest sins of all..

Drat

That's two nights this week. I caught the first one and missed tonight.

Teach me to carry a grudge!

two irishmen walked out of a bar..........hey, it COULD happen...............

Hilarious -- WSJ asks: Is McCain Stupid?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745962594698731.html?mod=todays_columnists

Nice appearance on Countdown. Maureen Dowd was the first columnist to make fun of Obama and his weight.. last Spring when she called him bambi and implied he was still smoking.

Oh Corey
I'll have one of those steak on sticks with the gorgonzola butter if you have a spare and a big glass of cherry koolaide please.

Craig,

Put up the video when it is available for us still PO'd at Keith folks.

"Drat" such a great word.

Democats need to be meaner to goopers show them no respect.

"...hey, it COULD happen"

In what alternate universe?

corey........do we have a quota?

Guess not, Sturge.

OK smart asses aside........ooops the room is almost clear....are there a lot of McCain supporters here?

I mean seriously .......just curious.

"Anyone who believes in the principles of the Democratic"

what principles might those be?

If we answer that question correctly, what do we win?

or are their people here who just hate Obama? for whatever reason

too thin
too black
not too old
too smart
too tall
too whatever

I'm not a McCain supporter, nor a Obama supporter.

It doesn't matter to me who supports who.

actually.....no matter what anyone says here it's attacked , so the whole idea of a forum is already out the door.........

sorry for the interruption....please continue on...

What makes you support Obama after originally being for Hillary, UB?

corey then don't vote

Craig was just on tonight.

Corey ,
for me it's about issues. Obama most closely shares my stances on issues....I have written a few pieces on specifics on my blog.

Seriously, nobody here has been able to change anyone's minds as far as who they support this election. Some have have jumped on the Obama band wagon. Some haven't, but will vote for Obama. Some won't vote for Obama, but won't vote for McCain either. Some might vote for McCain, maybe.

UB

You do get a little extreme at times. Who here HATES Sen. Obama other than maybe Gordo and his conspiratorial nonsense. There are some who won't vote for him such as Fry Daddy and Ping Pong and I'm not all that sure about Ping Pong.

I share nothing with McCain......absolutely nothing...I think the man is a pig.

Renee has always had the right idea about this election. Read her posts. That's about where I stand. I just don't buy Obama's sudden changes in some of his views. That's not what he stood for. He stood for change.

Jamie, I was just taking off from KO tonight....I guess maybe "hate" is too strong for this forum....sorry

the basic message is the same

Ok

I don't find any commonality with McCain either. What does that have to do with hating?
Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Corey, forget about them, what do you believe? what do you think about the various issues? There has to besomething in there that strikes an interest?

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 1, 2008 9:26 PM

There is something seriously wrong with her.

Jamie , If that was directed to me , I think i answered previously...

A few years ago at work, our plant manager was standing up in front of us. He held up a piece of paper and said he was told to read a prepared statement from our company headquarters. He said, "I'm not gonna read to you what they wanted me to read to you." He took the piece of paper and threw it on the floor. He then took what they had written and gave a speech to us in his own more personal way. It was kind of nice. It was his way of saying, "I'm not like those corporate guys!" As we walked out of the meeting some guy said, "Yeah, right! If management would have been there he would have picked that piece of paper off the floor in about 2 seconds!" That was the difference of opinion right there. I took our plant manager as being sincere as far as caring about us. The other guy thought he was being very phony!

Sunday's NY TIMES evolution of internet trolls from an individual to a pack

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?ei=5058&partner=IWON&pagewanted=all

In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word “troll” to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities. Early trolling was relatively innocuous, taking place inside of small, single-topic Usenet groups. The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a “pseudo-naïve” tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it. As one guide to trolldom puts it, “If you don’t fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.”

Just to be sure everyone knows, when I said I took the Kool Aid, it was from my parent’s cabinets, not some commercial establishment. I would never have done something like that. My grandmother was a good teacher. She once walked a mile to return a penny. That’s a story told by many in the family, but it was probably in the 30’s or 40’s.

Craig, liked you on KO tonight.

"It should be even more so with anonymous comments. They shouldn't start off with a credibility rating of, say, 0. It should be more like negative-30."

UB

Yes you did. We crossed in the mail. lol

Craig was good tonight , funny and fresh....

Federal Judge rules that bush ex-advisors CANNOT ignore subpoenas......

Let the fireworks begin

In 1996, My sister bascially said to me, "How can you vote for Clinton again?!" That was a heavy sentiment here in West Michigan. But, I didn't wanna vote for Dole. So, I went into the election booth not wanting to vote for Dole and afraid to vote for Clinton. I voted for Perot, eventhough I wanted Clinton to win. Had Clinton lost, I would have felt bad. Although, I'd already felt like I threw my vote away.

why thanks UB, Karolenna and others, i love those end-of-show segments on Countdown

If you look around the table......and cant spot the "mark"......the "mark" is YOU

old poker axiom in certain professional gambling circles

Hippy hair after a hippy vacation.....life is good.... : )

Since then, I've never liked the idea of someone telling me who I should or shouldn't vote for. As I've said before, my Dad would never tell anyone who he voted for. That was personal and private to him.

it looks like fun.....kind of a feel for all and laughter....shows off a persons spark.

Craig, was worried when I saw what time you would be on tonight. I thought maybe you were gonna be the worst person in the world tonight. LOL!

feel = free...omg

So Craig,

Who will Sen. Obama name as his VP selection? We can say we heard it here first.

ha, corey, yes, following Worst person seg can be spooky

Corey - you never have to tell, you just need to know

off to watch dvd of Vantage Point, have a great weekend all

UB, in 2004 one of our plant management guys reminded us to "Do the right thing." when we voted for President. I took that as, "Vote for Bush." They allowed us to have a tv on at work so we could follow the election during our 3rd shift work. 2 women and I watched the election coverage and we were greatly disappointed when the final results were announced.

Barack Obama took his fight with John McCain back to elementary school, accusing his rival campaign of acting like a bunch of 5th graders calling names.

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/01/obama-on-mccains-grade-school-campaign/

2004 election was a very sad night indeed.

"If either of the two latter are your choices, you are very satisfied with your life the way it is, you are very, very rich, or you don’t give a damn about anyone else in this country who is suffering in spite of trying very hard to make it, IMO. BTW, I’m not employed but actually getting by better than many, so don’t think of me when you think of those trying very hard to make it, even though I still try very hard every single day. I just have empathy for those who are suffering and there are many in Ohio."

Karo -- I think you were trying to share something here, and I want to respond. Very few people on this board are trust fund babies. Most of us work hard for what money we have and many have probably been damaged financially by this economy. The last time I didn't have to worry about money was during Bill Clinton's term of office. I guess that's why it angers me that people were so quick to slam and demean him.

Anyway, thanks for sharing that concern about the economy -- I think most of us relate. We just believed very much that a different candidate could solve it.

"“pseudo-naïve” tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. "

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

The GOP is starting to have fun with this Celebrity thing.

"Who Said It ? Celebrity edition"
http://www.gop.com/CelebrityQuiz/

Jack

craig.......your hair.......are you sure youre not related to Elvis?

This coming from Eric Clapton? LOL!

Obama Was Not Aware What A Hitch Ball Was Used For. "Despite the phoniness of the trip, there was one candid moment that ever so slightly suggests the distance Obama may need to come in winning over the beer drinkers. … As Obama stood at the counter paying, he looked quizzically at a display of trailer-hitch covers dressed in the guise of moose and turkeys. Turning to the phalanx of cameramen and reporters, Obama bravely wondered, 'Who knows what a hitch ball is? This is a hitch-ball cover. We don't know what a hitch ball is.

ha ha ha ha ha ha

boop..I'm glad the knothead list is working for you. There is still great discussion and information with different viewpoints with the knotheads eliminated. I only have four on my list.

Even Worseness: The Even-Worsening

Posted at 21:17 by Gavin M.

Um, wow. You know that Amy Chozick piece in the Wall Street Journal that asks whether Barack Obama might not be fat enough to be President?

Here’s the on-the-ground research that enabled Ms. Chozick to pose such a bold and allusive query:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10322.html

"we" he says........"we" dont know what a hitch ball is.......We? whass he mean "we" ? He got a frog in his pocket?

"I share nothing with McCain......absolutely nothing...I think the man is a pig."

Ditto that, UB -- but guess what, Obama has shown an incredible tolerance for the most oinker thinking of some so-called liberals. You see, his is more insidious....and he's shown it over time. He may not say obviously ugly things, he has surrogates do it for him.

It's a well known fact that only beer drinkers use trailers which are hooked to their vehicles......

Now...if it was a tennis ball, Sturge...LOL!

Mr D
I was just catching up,I know you come here to throw your insults around and call great folks like Jamie and Patsi crude names and I'm sure you get some pleasure from this!! I enjoyed the debate you and Jamie had on race it was very informative but like always its so hard to take you serious because of all your insults!! In the end it just becomes another one of your Hit and Run's...

It was so crowded we couldnt laugh "ha ha ha"......we had to laugh "ho ho ho".

--WC Fields

Let those who dont want none have memories of not getting any.....

--Brother Dave Gardiner

How about fond memories of ...

"Many of Barack's followers manifest troubling signs of regarding him as at least a demigod. Even while refraining from saying outright that they think he's a god, their belief comes through in the strange messianic iconography of their Obama-glorifying posters, videos and music.

Obama has arisen from nothingness, from one accomplishment-free political gig to another, propped up by leftists adulators and sycophants ...

Barack Obama is walking, talking, breathing narcissism. The iconography of his campaign is nothing, if not the glorification of Obama, a solitary, quite mortal man. They must glorify Obama's image because, in reality, he has no accomplishments that bear mention."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/why_im_thanking_god_for_obama.html

John Mayer's transcript from yesterday:

http://www.johnmayer.com/blog

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2008/07/portfolio_0721

Crude Reporting: Ask the Tough Questions About Oil
By Howell Raines, Portfolio.com 07.21.08
News from Portfolio.com

THe cover of a recent BusinessWeek about the runup in oil and gasoline prices framed the question of what's causing it nicely: "Speculation or Manipulation?" But the story was maddeningly evenhanded. By dodging its own question, the magazine raised another.

LLLLLLLeeeeeetttttttttttt'ssss get ready to RRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEE!

Nah, just kidding. I'm going to play guitar and go to bed. I still dare ya.

Q: If I name my son "Howell", will I guarantee his position as a wealthy power-broker later in life? If not, that is one hell of a burden to place on a middle-class child.

Mr D
I was just catching up... just becomes another one of your Hit and Run's...

Posted by: tonyb39 | August 1, 2008 10:49 PM

He sure makes himself scarce during my shift, that's for goddamn sure. That's right Big D, I'm calling you out. Tomorrow. Noon. You just gave me a reason to wake up before noon.

No takers, huh? Fair enough. I don't blame you.

And yes, I could have a conversation with myself for the entire night.

"She tripped the light fandango..."

^(what an *******)

champ''' must of won by proccess of elimination
no one left to debate with

A: I don't eat that ****, B: How does one call out a bowl of noodles?

Man, I'm sorry, mqw. This guy's got nothing. I would have enjoyed entertaining you for a while, but I suppose it will have to wait.

Wha-BLOW!

g1

Damn dude, you took it with one fell swoop! Holy ****! How can I ever top "jester's hose"?!

Seriously dude, that's the funniest thing you've ever posted. Way to go. I've been humbled.

You take too long. I win. Can't be up all night waiting for your slow ***.

craig said he was off to watch' vantage point'
somebody should have told him that was a
waste of time

Craig, nice hair, dude! Long & hot for the summer?

The anthrax guy: I feel another "Three Days of the Condor" coming on.

Are the Dems blaming the Repubs for killing him? Seems they blamed the Clinton's for killing someone, no?

tt

Vince Foster.

tt

Craig, no ponytail, eh? Bummer. ;-)

tt

Re: Karolenna and Corey

Karolenna advises there are only two votes possible in the Presidential race: Obama or McCain. Corey says he is not for either candidate at this time.

I understand Corey's sentiments, but I just wanted to point out that there are always options beyond what Karolenna has identified.

You could vote for Cynthia McKinney who is running for President on the Green Party ticket.

You could also vote for perennial candidate Ralph Nader for whatever party he could be running for.

Then there is Bob Barr who is expected to drain some GOP support off McCain...

Personally, I am pissed as hell that Obama is not choosing Hillary as his running mate. My vote for Obama is a vote AGAINST any Republicans again holding the White House and subjecting us to another great redistribution of wealth (from the poor and middle classes to the rich), their sexism, racism, homophobia, their disdain for any country other than the USA ... "WE ARE AMERICANS... DO WHAT WE TELL YOUTO DO"... bankrupting the country and also making bankruptcy not possible for those who cannot possibly make ends meet, wars for oil, incompetence, hate...

For this and MORE, I am voting against this corrupt republican machinery and voting for the Democrat. I still would love to vote for the Nutella Jar but the jar said s/he is sitting this one out...

Obama/[Fill in the Blank]2008

Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 12:52 AM
Q: If I name my son "Howell", will I guarantee his position as a wealthy power-broker later in life? If not, that is one hell of a burden to place on a middle-class child.

Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 1:01 AM

Champ you sexist! You could name your a girl "Lovie"... :-)

what time is it belguim 0700

hello, mqw, I am assuming that the time you posted your comment on the blog is EDT... which would mean my time, at the time of your post, was 9:43 am

Morning all,

Today's NY Times has a story and picture about Mr Obama's rally in St Petersburg yesterday ('With genie out of the bottle, Obama treads carefully on race' by Michael Powell NY Times page 1 Aug 2, 2008 with photo by Jae C. Hong, Associated Press).

The article was below the fold. The most interesting aspect of it was the photo of the demonstrators. Their banner read, "What about the Black community, Obama?" It also listed a web site that was illegible and a phone number (727) 821-6620.

I googled the phone number and it comes back to Uhuru group and The African People's Socialist Party. Here is their web site:
http://www.apspuhuru.org/index.shtml

I think their message is Mr Obama's biggest threat, both now, and post-election.

It's been obvious to me that since South Carolina there was clearly a misinterpretation of Mr Obama's message by the Urban black community. The protesting group recognizes this and is trying to pin Mr Obama down.

I hope this gets the play it needs and deserves.

"For this and MORE, I am voting against this corrupt republican machinery and voting for the Democrat. I still would love to vote for the Nutella Jar but the jar said s/he is sitting this one out..."

Tom
A good morning chuckle, thanks.
You did leave out one option.
Voting for no one. That is probably going to be my option. As you can no doubt tell from my posts, I don't buy into the demonizing of McCain and Obama demonstrates too many flaws. I know you will disagree but I worry about the left wing in power too. So there is no candidate out there that I support and either one will make an adequate president. (neither would be as bad as the current administration) So I just let both sides battle it out and bitch about the results;-)

Jack

"In major change, Obama says he'll support offshore drilling"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/46174.html

Getting crowded under that bus.

Jack

"Small study suggests McCain ads lampooning Obama hurt"

"A small study of people's reactions to the Britney-Paris ad suggested, however, that while people don't like the ad, it caused them to doubt Obama, and small percentages who'd said before viewing the ad that they'd vote for him said afterword that they wouldn't.

Those declines didn't result in more support for McCain; doubting Democrats and Republicans instead moved into the undecided column. Independents who moved away from Obama did say they'd vote for McCain"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/46165.html

Just read this article, it is one of those things that make you go wtf and just shake your head. Just too surreal.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/46175.html

"The Karzai government is totally in the hands of India," said Khalid Khawaja, a former ISI officer who served in Afghanistan in the 1980s during the war against the Soviet invasion and once described Osama bin Laden as "a wonderful person." They want to break up Pakistan and seize our nuclear assets. Today, if NATO attacks Pakistan, the Taliban and al Qaida will be the front line of our defense."

Jack

one man's terrorist is another's fiefdom fodder......

It's hysterical to me that the press is outraged, I tell you, outraged, that McCain ran those two ads: one branding Obama a celebrity with little substance, and the other making fun of his quasi-religious campaign.

Hello? Those are the very things being talked about among many pundits! McCain ran with it.

If these ads are examples of dirty, low campaigning -- well, politics has gotten much nicer than I realized.

Uh, huh.....

Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. would accept an appointment to the Senate if Barack Obama wins the presidency and leaves Gov. Rod Blagojevich with a vacancy to fill.

“I wouldn’t say no if asked,” said the Illinois Democrat, who serves as a national co-chairman for Obama’s campaign. In the past, he has declined to speculate on Obama Senate succession scenarios.

Several of Jackson’s colleagues also have been mentioned as possible successors to Obama if the Democrat wins the White House, as has Tammy Duckworth, a disabled Iraq war veteran who lost a House bid in 2006. Democratic Gov. Blagojevich could also appoint himself or another ally in state government.

Other than Jackson, the Democrats most often mentioned as replacements for Obama are Reps. Rahm Emanuel , Jan Schakowsky and Luis V. Gutierrez . Schakowsky has made clear that she is interested in the seat. Emanuel insists he doesn’t want it.

Patsi, it's known as subjective outrage.

"“I wouldn’t say no if asked,” said the Illinois Democrat, who serves as a national co-chairman for Obama’s campaign.""

If anyone was still doubting why he was so quick to throw his daddy under the bus...

Jesse L. Jackson Jr. is a thug at best. Even if he was appointed to Obama's Senate seat, it would be a short appointment. If I were in his district I would vote Republican, and I seriously mean that!

I agree, Tom -- but you know on this board we'll be branded racists for saying that. Even though at the beginning of the primaries Jesse Jr was cracking jokes on television about Hillary getting "OJ'd" by Obama.

I remember when he said it, thinking that his daddy was probably cringing.

There's a story emerging in Tennessee that I'll bet we hear more of closer to Labor Day. Tyson Chickens has scratched Labor Day as a paid holiday, in exchange for a Muslin holiday. Hooboy...this one is gonna cause some redneck feathers to fly.....

I'm laughing about it because Tysons is such a horrible company that they'll deserve whatever chickensh!t is hurled at 'em.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080802/BUSINESS01/808020330

The Board of Directors of Tyson should be tarred and feathered if only for their pollution of the water table and nitrogen run off into the ocean.

Talk about a truly filthy business.

Could only drop in long enough to read the posts this morning, but thought this story tied into what some here were talking about. Have a great day.

The Low-Road Warrior
Mudslinging will damage McCain’s brand—but........

"And who knows, even if Obama stays above the fray, he might still pull this thing off. Because as unwilling as he is to get down and dirty, McCain may simply be unable to drive a consistent negative message. “John is uncomfortable doing this stuff,” says Weaver. “And it isn’t in his skill-set. It’s like adopting the West Coast offense and making Dick Butkus your quarterback.” Butkus, it should be noted, was a linebacker—which actually makes the metaphor more apt. Obama may hesitate to call the right plays, but he knows the difference between offense and defense, and is unlikely to wind up sprinting into his own end zone."
http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/48928/

Barack Obama did well on his press conference today. When his handlers and smirky spokespeople get out of the way, he comes across as a pretty nice man.

"The Board of Directors of Tyson should be tarred and feathered...." Posted by: Jamie

but don't their chickens have to suffer enough without the humility of providing their feathers too?

By the time they lose their feathers, I think they may be past caring.

Patsi and Tom...

If you're branded racist for for honest comments about Jesse Jackson, Jr., I'll stand right alongside you for the branding. What a lowlife! And I'll take it a step further...I feel the same way about his father, the extortionist extraordinaire.

Can't stay to even lurk today. I'm off in a few minutes for a day of Special Olympics softball regionals....

"It would be great to see Tammy Duckworth in that Senate seat. (For more reasons than one!) "

Ditto that sentiment, dog. I really liked what I heard from her when she ran for office.

Maybe Harold Ford could quickly move to Chicago....I'd finally get to see my guy in the senate. :)

Lots of great eclipse pictures from NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/eclipse/index.html

Well it's unanimous. We all move to Illinois and elect Tammy Duckworth. :-)

If forced to conserve energy, might as well do it in style. You will be able to recharge at all Hyatt Hotels, so as long as they aren't farther than 220 miles apart, you'll be fine.

http://www.teslamotors.com/

I'd still prefer a Ferrari.

bear - I did not declare that BO didn't stand a snowball's chance of me voting for him over a year ago. I had big hopes for him until he never showed himself to have anything of substance.

I listened to his presser this morning. He started talking about the American people wanting the negative ads to stop & wanting solutions. He had my attention...but he never gave a hint of a solution for anything. I wish there was more to him, but he hasn't shown it yet.

Also, by your logic, I am about as much a cult member as any of the folks at Heaven's Gate would have been had they refused to put on their Nike's and eat their pudding were members of an opposing cult.

You are a moron. (Hey, you attacked me first.)

Patsi,Tom
The one thing that sticks out at me about this election cycle is how the bar for being called a racist has been lowered so much that even saying Obama is arrogant makes you a racist. I have been told in conversation from some of my Obama supporting friends at the gym that if your a Dem. or Rep. not supporting Obama it might be because he's black.I'm sure in some people thats true. Its just not fair to put the racist label on all people who either don't support Sen.Obama or who are criticle of him........

Well, to end things on a more positive note, enjoy the rest of the summer everybody. (Yes, everybody.)

"It's been obvious to me that since South Carolina there was clearly a misinterpretation of Mr Obama's message by the Urban black community."- Flatus August 2, 2008 8:25 AM

Flatus,

Would you care to be more specific? I know SOME of the flak he's been getting from the black community recently has revolved around his past unsupportive comments about slavery reparations.

The most racist people are the ones who've never entertained they possibility they are racist themselves, tony.

Dog, I supported Tammy last time around when Emily's List sponsored her. Her story was compelling, but, quite honestly, she wasn't the most dynamic candidate. And, it didn't help that she didn't reside in the district she was running for.

Perhaps she's stronger now that she's had real experience in government. I want very much for her to succeed.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/the-big-money-throw-down.html#comment-123360

Champ
Yes! Well said and true.I wen't through that possibility with myself a long time ago and when love is involved its much tougher to figure out,but worth it in the end.........

Rez, the couple of weeks leading up to the local primary, starting with his joint appearance with Ms Winfrey in Columbia at which attendees eagerly provided their local email addys, was the start of it all.

From there, a very strong grassroots populist movement emerged that involved virtually every AA pulpit in the state. The way the press artfully mischaracterized President Clinton's words just made things snowball.

His surrogates promised everything in the name of Obama. A message that by far exceeded what Mr Obama, himself, was articulating.

He is everything to everyone.

Here's one black guy who is sure as hell ain't voting for Obama:

Damn Barack Hussein Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzW7_c6XvU&feature=related

Flatus,

Thx, I recall all the hooplala with Oprah, Johnson, WJC and Clyburn, but I had no idea about the chicken and car from Obama surrogates.

Champ

"The most racist people are the ones who've never entertained they possibility they are racist themselves"

Some of the most racist are those who consider themselves so liberal that they think racism has to be everywhere and seek to find it even when it is absent.

Dog

" never saw the press coverage on Bill Clinton's remarks, only the reaction of some SC voters to his equating Obama's primary victory with Jesse Jackson's earlier campaign (a clear case of not acknowledging the point, since Obama took Iowa weeks earlier, which Jackson never did)."

Bill Clinton was asked for the reasons Obama won the primary and he pointed out the very high percentage of AA voters Obama received and equating it with the large percentage Jackson had received. He was acknowledging that the race of the candidate in a state where the majority of Democratic voters were black meant that a large chunk of the Democratic voters went to one candidate rather than splitting evenly as it normally would in a primary.

For this he was called racist even though those same huge percentages continued in every caucus and primary that followed. Stating a reality is not racist.

"this in a year when voters appear desperate for anything but the current administration"

Dog
Yes! In the end thats why I will being giving my vote to the Democrats.I as Independent no longer feel compelled to vote for either party,but as terrible as I think the current Democratic Party is the Republicans offer nothing new, its just Attack Attack Attack no substance.I would right in Hillary for President but Florida will be to close to take a chance so Obama it will be........

I don't agree with your statement completely there, Jamie, but I think you're on the right track.

Let's accept your statement for the sake of argument. The question becomes "Why would they seek it out? What's that motivation?" I have my own answer, I'll let you obtain yours.

"Here's one black guy who is sure as hell ain't voting for Obama:"

This guy's got a PhD and believes Obama has the ability to control the price of gasoline at the pump. That's says enough for me. Manning is the polar opposite of Wright. Blacks have their share of kooks too.

That ain't the only fundamental flaw in his understanding from my perspective, Rez, but he's a funny guy. I'd have a beer with him. Obama, too. The three of us will all have a beer and a good laugh together.

Champ

""Why would they seek it out? What's that motivation?" I have my own answer, I'll let you obtain yours."

Because it makes them feel good about themselves and any transgressions in their past. If they can point out a flaw, real or imagined, in others it is a kind of atonement.

Wright isn't a "kook", Rez, he's a "liability". BIG DIFFERENCE.

Half right again, Jamie! (in my opinion). You're giving them too much credit in assuming it's atonement or redemption they seek. But otherwise, you're pretty close.

Speaking of kooks;

I ran across this writeup while checking the definition. Sound familiar?

"kook [Usenet; originally and more formally, `net.kook'] Term used to describe a regular poster who continually posts messages with no apparent grounding in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a sort of sly wink on the part of a poster who knows better, kooks really believe what they write, to the extent that they believe anything.

The kook trademark is paranoia and grandiosity. Kooks will often build up elaborate imaginary support structures, fake corporations and the like, and continue to act as if those things are real even after their falsity has been documented in public.

While they may appear harmless, and are usually filtered out by the other regular participants in a newsgroup of mailing list, they can still cause problems because the necessity for these measures is not immediately apparent to newcomers; there are several instances on record, for example, of journalists writing stories with quotes from
kooks who caught them unaware."

http://dictionary.die.net/kook

That ain't the only fundamental flaw in his understanding from my perspective, Rez, but he's a funny guy.

That's just as far as I got . .his first 30 seconds.

Wow, those usenet people sure take themselves seriously, huh? They've built up their own little parallel reality complete with laws and dictionaries.

"Jamie: I am with you that some liberals are the biggest racists of all. "

I well remember when a singer friend of mine bought a farm near Nashville, and discovered a graveyard back on the property. It turned out to be an old slave cemetery. Every liberal I knew -- and I include myself in that crowd -- tsk-tsked over its being so rundown and offered help. Well, in the end, the day we did the clean-up and backbreaking work, there were two "crews." Me and my son's high school football team pals, and a black separatist leader with his crew of young men. Not one of the "latte liberals" (if you will) showed up. I was so pissed I could have spit nails.

But -- the cemetery got a face lift, the names and family put together and a grand ceremony to dedicate the new headstones later, where surprisingly, many of the original tsk-tskers donned finery and attended.

Obama, A Disaster Waiting to Happen: Legal Challenges Imminent?

"Until now this has been a gentlemanly process that has amounted pretty much to self certification but it doesn’t have to be. In each and every State the papers filed with the State Electoral Commissions/Boards are subject to challenge ...

Obama, one way or another, is going to have to prove either some of the things below or all of them:

a) His Legal Name and Age.

b) His Legal Parentage and Place of Birth.

c) His Legal (Sole) Nationality/Citizenship.

d) Whether or not he has EVER been a Citizen of any Country other than the USA.

e) Whether or not he has ever Registered for Selective Service.

f) Whether or not he has any outstanding Tax Debts and his current Tax Status.

g) Whether or not he has any outstanding Criminal Convictions, etc. [Even unpaid Parking Tickets may count.]

h) Whether or not he is suffering from any Mental Illness or Condition that might render him unfit for Office. [Including any Record of Drug or Alcohol Abuse.]

i) Anything else any Court, Election Commission or Secretary of State asks him to prove.

It seems obvious that Senator Obama either cannot answer some of these questions adequately, or dare not answer them for fear of the consequences, or else he would already have done so."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/obama-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/

Now that I'm thinking of it, I neglected to mention another group who really worked their butts off, they were from a local Baha'i church, I believe.

Of course Liberals are the biggest racists. Their solution to every problem is to treat entire minority populations as children.

Maybe atonement is the wrong word. More like if they can point it out in others, then that is normal and you are normal, and the need to fix is normal and therefor they can order you to fix yourself even if there is nothing to fix.

When it comes to self justification, thinking tends to be very convoluted. :-)

I'll make it easy for you, Jamie. One word: "Control".

"Whether or not he is suffering from any Mental Illness or Condition that might render him unfit for Office. "

ROFL! Gordo, that might be a bit of a problem for McCain....

Patsi

Interesting you mentioned Baha'i. When my mother first ditched her Southern Baptist upbringing she became Baha'i. That was part of that "united nations" upbringing I had in early childhood.

I hate anything for which I have to don finery......

World's Oldest Joke

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSKUA14785120080801?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

Let go of the hate, Sturge.

"World's Oldest Joke": So says Reuters. World's oldest joke is humanity itself, so says me.

Hate the finery, not the gig........

Then you just have the wrong finery, my brother.

Like the old saying: "There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes".

that may be so, except i dont have any finery.......i have goodwillery......

oh damn......charlie chaplin is on TCM......wont be long before the Oceania Roll......

talk about bad weather........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighcJBKsUds

OK, I'll give you a 'B' for effort. You set the bar way too high for yourself last night. Funny shit. The floor is yours.

this is an odd version.......I dont remember chaplin narrating it.......

You smokin' crack, Sturge? There's no narration in the link you posted, just some seemingly inappropriately creepy organ music.

the clip i posted is from the original film......the movie on tcm has chaplin narrating......"The Gold Rush"

Ahhhhh... gotcha.

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