Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Hillary has a tightrope to walk right now. She has a huge base, as big as Obama's. The O-team -- and Obama himself -- have dismissed that block as irrelevant. Oh sure, he's making noises, but it's obvious that the base doesn't interest him. He's pandering to expatriate Republicans and indies.

What Hillary MUST do is to reassure her voters that no matter what the new Joshua thinks of them, she's in their corner, as were they in hers. It's her power base and she's not going to diss them.

Obama has said enough to alienate some key elements of the party.

HRC is not going away as quietly as some would have liked. I hate to say I told you, but after the DNC did their little backdoor stunt and push the enlighten one to the head of the line, what did you think the Clinton's would do, roll over and play dead? The Obamaics must have forgot who they are dealing with, and accusing or insinuating BC is a racist is aas close to suicidal as one can become. The Clinton's are going to get their pound of flesh off of skinny BHO's hide. My wife will vote for McCain if BHO is the D's nominee, but will vote for HRC if she can become the D's nominee.

No Obama ads at gas stations:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gas_pump_ads

"Obama has said enough to alienate some key elements of the party"

Oh god Patsi so True! I still can't believe the O-teams treatment or lack of concern of the working class base.I was talking to my friend and fellow GM assembly line worker in Michigan yesterday and he has some of the same feelings about Sen.Obama as alot of us do.My friend said" I just don't feel like he gets us or even wants are vote".Amazing! Hope your visit with your sister is a good one.

Fry
Here's a piece about The Clintons from Karen Tumilty of Time.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

HRC is not going away as quietly as some would have liked. I hate to say I told you, but after the DNC did their little backdoor stunt and push the enlighten one to the head of the line, what did you think the Clinton's would do, roll over and play dead? The Obamaics must have forgot who they are dealing with, and accusing or insinuating BC is a racist is aas close to suicidal as one can become. The Clinton's are going to get their pound of flesh off of skinny BHO's hide. My wife will vote for McCain if BHO is the D's nominee, but will vote for HRC if she can become the D's nominee.

Posted by: FryDaddy | August 7, 2008 7:06 AM

I have to say I truly agree with your post 100%....

I think it was amazing that BC upped his ante this week by saying that he will tackle AIDS in the AA community....They are slowly coming back. And this time they will do it with much more caution. I think this presidency is lost for them, but DNC should watch their back.
I loved Ed Rendell last week, when he said once again: NEVER count the Clinton´s out! As one of thier loyalists, I think that meant something, surely at this stage of the campaign.

Also saw the short list of VP hopefuls for BO from a credible source.
Richardson has fallen off the radar. I wonder what his position is now.....

Let's see. If Mr Edwards and Gov Richardson reclaim their pledged delegates, and the grassroots lean on scumbag supers who talk out of both sides of their mouths on their obligation to vote for the strongest candidate as shown by primary results in the SDs' states, then what would the delegate count be?

Oh, yeah, anyone really believe the Obama DNC will seat all the Michigan and Florida delegates if there's any question as to the outcome?

Maybe he should work on a name change. Something like [gasp] George Obama.

which word best describes the woman who threatens to screw up the most important election i've seen in 62 years of life?

self-centered?
selfish?
evil?
maniacal?

Just had to take a vacation from vacation to say....ROLLCALL! Hil'ry Clinton! Yes!

Craig, typo???
"...Democrat ticket -- to giver her supporters ..."

I'll bet the powers-that-be at the DNC are beside themselves about now.

Patriotic

Confident
Strong
Within her rights to do so
With millions of supporters backing her
With a better chance of winning the general than BO

(It seems jp is having a round of DNC-itis.)

This is a great lesson to teach the kids about America - that even when you lost fair and square you can still weasel in and out of loopholes and procedures, fracture the party even further and lose the election for the Democrats out of spite.

The Democrats WILL figure out how to lose again. So why not vote for the candidate that actually represents your views instead of approximates them?

Snowball sez - Two parties good - four parties bad!

'If Mr Edwards and Gov Richardson reclaim their pledged delegates"

Not sure claiming his delegates is the most important thing facing John Edwards these days.

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1167499.html

If two parties are better than four, I guess that means a one-party system would be best of all, comrade?

If the shoe was on the other foot, I think you would be singing a different tune. (It sounds like jp also has a problem with the shoe being an older woman's pump...somebody has mommy issues.)

ps - She got more votes...if you figure in the folks who have buyers' remorse for buying BO...she's the one who could beat McCain.

Hi everyone,

I have to thank Craig for broaching this topic which has been on my mind
since the primary ended.

Patsi, your first place post was very good. The DNC and the O Team
have tried everything to make the Clintons and those who voted for Hillary irrelevant. But, It's painfully obvious there is still a great divide in the
Democratic party.

The Clintons still have a lot of power and they have every right to use it whether at the Denver convention or in speeches. During the primary, Bill Clinton was treated with great disrespect by the media and by surrogates for Obama.

Why all this fake surprise that Bill's a bit miffed?

Bill and Hillary can still charm an audience like rock stars and they're not going quietly into that good night.

blueINdallas - Sorry. No mommy issues here. Nice try, though. She gets more votes if you add in all the votes that she said didn't count. Oh, right - vote count doesn't mean anything - it's the delegate count that gets you the nomination. But I guess we'll just have to keep changing the rules until HRC wins, huh? After all, America doesn't need a president that other countries like and seem to trust. That would be a stupid thing.

I dont think Bill Clinton is "miffed", "jealous", "petulant", "sulking", or any of those perjoratives.......I think he and hillary are quite pragmatic....and I think O better figure out how to deal with it and cut a deal.....cause this isnt "petulance"......Hillary's supporters want to be representation.

Ah, Paul, the Law of Rules--the ones the Rules Committee through out the window.

and also want to be represented.....lol

Blue,

See the BHO ppl though this was all over with, after all she endorsed him, or did she? I don't think HRC ever did, if anyone read/heard here speech, it sure didn't sound like this battle was over. I guess if this was a mob movie we would be calling "to go to the mattresses", but here we are calling to "go to the floor". Denver is going to be a very interesting place

There must be a new page of BHO talking points out, along with a plan for diversionary tactics. Brian jumped into full hate mode last-night--I suppose he's being coached by the DNC staff. And, Paul, in a nicer manner, is picking up the ball this morning.

"But, I guess we'll just have to keep changing the rules until HRC wins, huh?"

What about the rules that were changed in not counting the votes in Michigan and Florida?

strug,

I'd be miffed.

ProMar.......I'd be coldly figuring out how to win.......like all the rest of them......

DNC Platform Committee meeting to be on C-Span2 at 10:00 AM and on C-Spam at 8:00 AM. Wonder if they'll be boring or high drama.

Oops, C-Span should be 8:00 PM.

Good morning all.

Karen Tumulty's Time mag piece, "Have the Clintons Gotten Over It?"

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

The Clintons could be costly to us all.

Totally disagree that Obama has written off Clinton's primary voters; that may be what some people want to think, but it's not the case at all. He is fighting for every vote.

Hillary Clinton doesn't believe Obama can win the general. Fine. She didn't believe he could win the primary either.

Her actions may buoy many of you.

They disturb me; this election ain't all about her. It's not all about Obama either. It's about us.

It's about taking back our country after 8 years of the worst presidency in history, and not allowing Rovian tactics to work on behalf of John McCain.

We cannot kick this can down the road again. We are out of time to make a course correction, and McCain 2008 is not the man for the job.

Have no idea who Obama will choose as VP. If he chooses Hillary, I will support that. She is not owed the position, though.

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I don't know about buyers' remorse on Obama. I question whether Clinton could win some of the big early states again. She locked California up with early voting.

You remember the valiant fighter in the pantsuit.

I remember a badly executed strategy, burning through money and shambolic advisors. Yes, I do want to move past a candidate that relies on Harold Ickes and Howard Wolfson.

Not ready on Day One, and not cognizant of her shortfalls (despite strengths as well).

Obama seems to me the more capable of sounding out good advisors and realizing he has a LOT to learn. On the job, as does any president.

Hello Blue. Was wondering where you had been this week. This thread may cause some people who arrive later to lament the tediousness of it. To remind all that HRC dropped out of the race long ago. Although that does spice up the thread! LOL! I will say that last night while watching tv I saw a McCain ad come across the tv. I am starting to get annoyed by all the political ads, especially those that make no sense. The election is starting bore me. It was more fun when there were more people to talk about. I'm not really looking all that forward to Nov. 4th and it's my birthday on that day!

Hi Corey. Yep, tedious topic indeed.

Obama's going on vacation in Hawaii very soon; then we have the Olympics.

Think I saw that McCain has to spend his primary funds before the convention, as a condition of accepting public financing, so spending on ads now is probably what he has to do.

People will tune in again around convention time, or after Labor Day.

This campaign has been too long. Hope we never see another of its duration.

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Blue: enjoy your vacation! Hope you are somewhere good, and maybe not Dallas!

I understand Hillary has $25 Million in donations that can only be accessed for the General Election. Does she get access if she is the VP candidate on either of the tickets?

Will they be staying with his grandmother?

I remember that there are many hillary supporters who are not satisfied with O's manipulated "win". I see a lot of sulking and petulance, etc from O's supporters as Hillary supporters refuse to just roll over, like people rolled over as bush "won" by stealing it from Gore with the media's connivance (fox), and Kerry "won" because the media crucified Howard Dean..........let the winner carry the roll call at the convention.......That's who "wins".

Reuters: Glen Campbell to play rare club date. The Troubador in LA, August 19.

Wow, would love to see this. Wish he would tour. Patsi: any inside news on that?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080602186.html?hpid=entnews

Funny, my kids are getting an altogether different lesson from this election -

Obama is only the presumptive nominee and there was NOTHING fair and square about it at all. Always think for yourself and don't follow blindly.

Spite has nothing to do with how I will support, democratic values and experience are behind it. Although spite might have something to do with the fact that Hillary has raised 500,000 for Obama, yet he remains to do the same for her as agreed.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

Dog, on the advisors, I haven't been keeping close track. But, I was concerned about the military people he started out with. Who's being his gatekeeper in allowing people into the inner circle?

This thing about requiring Mr Edwards to explain himself is interesting:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/737028.html

The role of Don Fowler is also significant. I think he was probably the key player (snake in the grass) that enabled the Obama coup at the Rules Committee meeting. Clearly, Fowler is a member of the DNC's ruling junta.

I'm ashamed that he's from South Carolina.

The Obama folks are fond of saying they're bored with conversation about
Hillary. Well, here's a new malady, "Obama Fatigue." I think I'm coming down with it.

"I'm so bored with O-B-A-M-A" an article on Salon.com.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/07/obama/

Old Seahag:

I would have donated to retire Richardson's debt, or Edwards, or Biden's or Dodd's.

Will not donate to Hillary, because she carried her campaign on long after it was apparent she could not win the delegate count, and hung in there as a spoiler. She damaged Obama's chances as much as she could, as long as she could get away with it. She used her late victories in West Virginia and Kentucky to raise doubts about Obama and the working class. (He was always going to have trouble in those states, which went for GWBush in 2000 and 2004.)

If press accounts were accurate, H Clinton wanted to wait another 2 weeks or so to concede after the primary season, until her fellow Dems put an end to that.

So no, I am not handing her a dollar. Brian was more generous in that respect.

The other candidates were not suggesting Obama be their VP, when he was in the lead. Back of the bus, young 'un.

Bygones can be bygones, but that ain't gonna help her raise any money. And no one else is manipulating their delegates' anger and disappointment like Mrs. Clinton seems to be doing.

Say what you will, she sure hasn't done anything to tamp it down.

FWIW, I don't think stories like Tumulty's in Time help Pres. or Mrs. Clinton very much. Leaves the impression they'd rather exercise their power within the party rather than help remove the GOP from the White House.

Sad.

Bored with many of you. Same old same old, day in and day out. No forward movement.

cowbird......how would you characterize, and what do you posit as "forward movement", please......if you just want to carp, go to the fish tank.....if you want to provide some "forward movement", then please do so.

FWIW, I don't think stories like Tumulty's in Time help Pres. or Mrs. Clinton very much. Leaves the impression they'd rather exercise their power within the party rather than help remove the GOP from the White House.

--dog eye

I rather doubt Ms Clinton expects much help from the media.

Dog, Brian said, I think, that he gave $25. That was nice of him. You articulate your reasons for not contributing quite well. Obviously, no one is obligated to pay another's debt under these circumstances. I, however, feel that she was doing my bidding so, at a minimum, I have a moral obligation to contribute--something I've done several times as my circumstance permits.

This has been the longest and costliest campaign season in American history, to elect a successor to the worst and costliest president in US history.

I hope we never see either's like again.

Well, this is an interesting thread! I had not read any news yet today, so I am surprised by the developments.

I am FOR Hillary being officially nominated at the national convention.

And she has earned the right to be the vice-presidential candidate for the Democratic party. Anything less diminishes the importance of the nearly even vote between both candidates.

I dont know.......Dog's post sounded "miffed" "petulant" and riffed with spite to me.......just an observation.......

"The Brown-headed Cowbird (Molothrus ater) is North America's most notorious brood parasite. Instead of building their own nests, incubating their own eggs and raising their own nestlings, Brown-headed Cowbirds have a different breeding strategy. Cowbird females use other bird species as hosts -- laying their eggs in the nests of other bird species and relying on these hosts to incubate and raise their chicks."

Explains a lot doesn't it.

Jack

mornin' all.

Well, after hearing Axelrod on MoJo (after the us beat Japan 1-0 in their preliminary match - way to go, guys) I think the deal is set. He blamed the reporter and did not take humbrage at the Big Dog's failure to give a ringing endorsement to Obama's being qualified to be president. And he would not agree wtih MIka's simplistic assessment that he was dissing Obama because he didn't just say yes.

So Brett Favre's going to the Jets - great bookend to Namath for that franchise. Think he'll fill a few seats? It's the rare franchise that gets two hall of famers at QB.

dog, that's some selective recollection - what big early states that Clinton won do you question her being able to carry in the very unlikely event (ain't gonna happen)she might get the chance to try? NY, OH, MI, PA? Aside from VA, which she didn't win, & FL, which no candidate has a lock on, I don't see any big states east of the Mississippi she wouldn't carry. If there is a candidate who might not be able to win early states he carried in the primary, e.g. GA & SC, it is Obama. And her early strategy was fine - she lost because of a failed strategy re: the middle caucuses. I'll grant you the campaign's money management was poor - but with Penn as one of the people directing how it would be spent, who would that surprise - in retrospect, of course?

Sturg, someone else's feelings are their personal property. I see little point in trying to change how someone else feels. I merely try to state my feelings and my rationale for them.

Flate:
as I said.......just an observation......and I always feel free (as do most other people and the media especially to observate.

close parenthesis after especially

I don't think Namath is in the Hall of Fame.

When professed Democrats start referring to Obama as BHO, there's a big problem. It shows the exact lack of respect that they accuse Obama supporters of showing Hillary.

Florida and Michigan were penalized for moving up their primaries. That's about it. Hillary claims victory in Michigan because she was the only person on the ballot. Haven't we invaded and sanctioned countries for that reason?

Isn't treating Hillary with kid gloves the exact same kind of sexism that her supporters get so mad about? You can fling all sorts of dirt at Obama and he's supposed to smile and shrug it off because he's a man. Say one wrong thing about Hillary and you're sexist. Funny, dat.

Isn't treating Hillary with kid gloves the exact same kind of sexism that her supporters get so mad about?

Kid gloves? faulty premise.

Two points. and you are CIC.

But, we've gone over the say one thing bad about Obama and you are racist. Read the past threads, Paul.

Mean while , just what do the Clintons have to do to enthusiastically support Obama. How much more praise does Bill have to heap on his head before it is enough. How many times does HRC have to campaign for Obama at joint events?

This is getting more than a little stupid, when you compare it to past history of the democratic party.
IMO not allowing HRC's name to be placed into nomination is disrespectful in the extreme and all of her supporters know this.
HRC is bending over backward to accomodate all of Obama's petty demands. She is even willing to not have her name placed in nomination.
It was her supporters who were demanding her just due.

Jack

dog's eye view- What is sad is that Dean, his crowd and the media don't expect Hillary to have the same consideration as Sen. Kennedy, Roosevelt etc. and place her name in nomination. An open convention with an honest roll call vote as opposed to a coronation.

For the record, I didn't give anybody any money. But, nobody gave me any money either.

Pogo: New Jersey for sure. California.

Paul, would you rather have BO or BHO? Personally, I find BHO less offensive to others.

How about HST (Harry S Truman). He really didn't have a middle name, just an initial. Go figure.

"Wish he would tour. Patsi: any inside news on that?"

dog -- I don't look for Glen to do any big tours these days. He's still got the talent, but I've heard he gets very tired, very easily.

Have the Clintons Gotten Over It?
Wednesday, Aug. 06, 2008 By KAREN TUMULTY

TIME.COM

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html?imw=Y

"The July 31 cocktail reception outside Palo Alto, Calif., had been billed as an evening for letting bygones be bygones, a coming together of Hillary Clinton's Silicon Valley backers with Barack Obama's to help the New York Senator retire her campaign debt. But as Clinton took questions from the 150 or so people who had paid $500 and up a head to listen, it became clear that the healing process was far from over. "For so many of my supporters, just like so many of Barack's supporters, this was a first-time investment of heart and soul and money and effort and sleepless nights and miles of travel," Clinton said. "You just don't turn it off like that."

O has done and does and will continue to do what it takes to win the nomination.......Hillary should do exactly the same. "Win" is defined as coming out of the convention as the democratic nominee.....and not before.

dont like it? tough noogies.

Maybe it's kinda like when a sports figure announces his retirement and fans start chanting, "ONE MORE YEAR! ONE MORE YEAR!"

Paul: I'm an Obama supporter and I go with BHO a lot. A) It's his initials, and Hussein is unquestionably his given middle name and B) for obvious reasons, "BO" is problematic.

I don't read many other blogs. Is BHO use on the incline, and for negative reasons?

What a frickin' joke - seven years of the war on terror and full resources of the U.S. Government results in the war crimes conviction of an OBL limo driver? Great job George.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/washington/07gitmo.html?hp

Corey - he is - he was inducted in 1985.

Corey,

I was a die-hard Joe Namath /NYJet fan(today not so much--remain a die-hard NYYankee fan)--so for the record, yes, he is in the NFL Hall of Fame.

Therefore, for some of us, January 12, 1969 was the best super bowl game.

corey - for your perusal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

That's a shame, re touring being too tiring for Glen Campbell. Because it's just so excellent to see musicians in live performance (most of the time).

Corey,

Joe Namath was elected to NFL Hall of Fame in 1985.

by the way, glen campbell is far more than just a "country singer" he made big money for years before he ever cut his own record by playing guitar for sessions of such as Sinatra, and Tony Bennet.......by playing for Ricky Nelson and The Beach Boys etc......

"What a frickin' joke - seven years of the war on terror and full resources of the U.S. Government results in the war crimes conviction of an OBL limo driver? Great job George."

I sat here shaking my head at that trial. What a bunch of BS. Yep -- we tracked down the big fish.

Pogo

Interesting about Axelrod.
Combine that with Obama's qickly stateing that McCain is not a racist(something he didn't do with HRC). Wonder if the Obama campaign is getting worried about the monster they unleashed in the internet tubes.
They have kinda lost control of the ability to keep their message out there. It is like all the Brians out there have become his official spokesman.

Jack

dog -- Glen is one of the great talents -- not appreciated enough I think.

perhaps paul, who refers to hrc as "hillary", would prefer sen. obama to be referred to as "barack" to be fair. altho it sounds like he'd prefer the greek symbol "Ω".
"Omega (majuscule: Ω, minuscule: ω; Greek Ωμέγα) is the 24th and last letter of the Greek alphabet. In the Greek numeric system, it has a value of 800. The word literally means "great O" (ō mega, mega
meaning 'great')..." [see wiki for rest].

Wonder if the Obama campaign is getting worried about the monster they unleashed in the internet tubes.
They have kinda lost control of the ability to keep their message out there.
Posted by: whskyjack | August 7, 2008 9:41 AM

Very good point jack......

feeding crumbs to the hungry.....

What do we get with a divided democratic party?

A republican win.

So who is it that really cares about our country more then self ?

oldseahag: If many of her more militant supporters didn't call for the name in nomination in hopes of undoing the primary results, I think you'd see more support for the idea. Quite aside from the delegate count, Obama finished the primary season with millions in the bank and strong grassroots organizations in just about every state. Those are additional marks of a successful primary season that Mrs. Clinton does not possess.

I think Hillary Clinton should get A LOT of recognition, maybe along the lines of a stirring video tribute to her career and 2008 campaign and standing ovation and heartfelt speech. She worked very hard and deserves acclaim.

I would have been fine with a roll call except it was so obvious that a lot of her die-hard supporters were hoping to tear the nomination away from Obama and open too many wounds just before the election. You do that, the Dems absolutely go down to defeat. Who wants to give the GOP footage to use in the fall campaign?

Look at the No Quarter maniacs and some of the PUMAs. They really limited the convention organizers' options.

I agree, this is a real problem and it's not just the Obama folks who caused it.

FWIW: if the situation were reversed and Hillary was the nominee, I would be disappointed with the results but would NEVER take to a public blog to run her down or give the GOP anything to use against her. It's too important to win.

It doesn't help the conflict that a salivating media needing headlines will chop, paste, and select out of context the few segments from any statement guaranteed to create the worst impression and then serve up what sounds like "fighting words" to a gullible public with appropriate "Isn't that awful" commentary.

It just never ends

Tennesee Democratic Primary

Race rears it ugly head again.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/08/a_nasty_primary_in_tennessee.html?hpid=news-col-blogs

Wow - - I wonder if Brian knows about his new position as "official spokesman?"

official........lol

PS: what I left out of my 9:52 post: If the situation were reversed and Hillary were the presumptive nominee, I would NOT want to see an Obama supporters floor demonstration.

Because of the chance of its being disruptive and not helpful in the long run overshadows any "feel good" moment for Obama supporters.

I'd be disappointed at the results but realize it's so much more important to present a united front. Because it's too important to win the White House.

Dog, I don't believe that for a second - she beat Obama in both of those states and had 6 & 4 point polling advantages respectively in the last polls before the primaries in those states and won them by 10 and 9 points. They are both rated as strong Dem by pollster in the current polling for the general, so aside from gut feeling do you base your skepticism on anything?

Coreen, Joe Willy was my man at 'Bama and in NY. I just loved the "We'll win the game. I guarantee you." confidence he showed, then backed it up with a win. Fact known to those Namath lovers like myself (from Wiki) - "The apex of his career was his performance in the Jets' January 1969 win over the Baltimore Colts in the AFL-NFL World Championship Game, now referred to as the Super Bowl. This win would make him the only QB to ever start and win a national championship in college and start and win the Super Bowl. "

Okay, Pogo. I guess I was remembering a discussion on ESPN about the greatest QB's in history and someone saying Namath's career stats really weren't all that good when compared to Montana, Marino, Elway etc....Nothing against Joe, personally.

It appears that in addition to Axelrod's efforts to tamp down any dissension before the Convention, as exhibited by his comments on MOJO, the Clinton & Obama press offices put out a joint statement of unity in response to the ABC report/video from a Clinton fundraiser in CA.

"We are working together to make sure the fall campaign & the convention are a success. At the Dem Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Clinton_Obama_reiterate_unity.html

Flatus at 9:18: Sturg, someone else's feelings are their personal property. I see little point in trying to change how someone else feels. I merely try to state my feelings and my rationale for them.

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That's good advice, Flatus. Point taken.

Sadly, Bowman that is a standard way of running a race in a majority black district in many parts of the country. It used to be that way in m y city council district, but the AA candidates are getting smarter and have learned the advantage of inclusiveness. One of our former coucilcritters was very bad about campaigning that way, in the last campaign her name was used as an attack ad by the winning AA candidate. It is so nice to have 2 qualified candidates to chose from and not have to say"oh no not her again"

Jack

paul, my apologies, i left out the "A" in the above reference to "Ω"... are we now pc with referring to the senator as A-Ω?
oops, lightening duck...hmmm, guess somebody else got dibs on the alpha omega label. those copyright laws can be sooo boring.
but seriously, why do you call her "hillary" and not call him "barack"?

"But advisers to the New York senator [HRC] said she will almost certainly not ask to have her name placed in formal nomination at the convention, avoiding a divisive vote on the night Obama is expected to become the Democratic Party's first black presidential nominee."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATIC_CONVENTION?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I hereby reject said advice.....in the face of all the observating by O supporters and the media.

Sturge
You're just being stubborn and contrarian.
Why don't you be a nice, amiable, go along to get along, team player like me?

Jack

oldseahag: If many of her more militant supporters didn't call for the name in nomination in hopes of undoing the primary results, I think you'd see more support for the idea.

dog's eye

You mean if it didnt count in any meaningful way, you'd be fer it.......

lol

Glen Campbell - great musician and singer - despite a pretty squeaky image, he had his demons. Here's more than you want to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Campbell

Some of the songs he appeared on should surprise even the biggest die hard Campbell fans out there.

And who would be surprised that at 72 touring would be too tiring for him? Hell, who other than the Stones do we expect to be doing big venue tours at that age? Maybe the Eagles?

Yeah, but...

Jack...............yeah, but..................

wo

A good song for the morning coffee

Gentle On My Mind Glen Campbell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRLCh4m3vA

Jack

"Hell, who other than the Stones do we expect to be doing big venue tours at that age?"
j mc, pogo?

patd: on "Hillary" vs. "Barack": because "Clinton" for many people is still first a reference to WJC, former president.

Hillary is shorter than Hillary Clinton and there's not another Hillary in mix.

You could not say "John" with no context without people wondering "Kerry or Edwards" or now "McCain".

It's purely shorthand.

Obama and McCain because there's no confusion as to you're most likely referring to.

Would guess Elizabeth Dole faces the same problem; she's not "Dole" unless the context is very clear.

and the horse glen rode in on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXXkybycsU

One final thought before sleep:

"I ain't never had no fun when I was quiet." - Fred G. Sanford.

Yes, Sturgeone, I don't want to see antics at the Democratic Convention tear the party apart and I would be no more for Obama's pulling these tactics than I am for Clinton (possibly) doing so.

Was that not clear?

This reluctance to open the convention to a genuine political give-and-take process reminds me of what FDR said in his first inaugural, "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself..."

What in the world does Mr Obama fear about letting the full process work its way?

FDR's speech:
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/

It was clear long ago, Dog........but it doesnt matter what you wish any more than it matters what I wish.....what will be will be......

Dog.......and it seems to me that the antics are from all sides and the demo party is already plenty disrupt as it is.....torn apart, shall we say.........and O's tactics already disgust me completely......as do many of the tactics of his supporters.

She doesn't deserve less opportunity than historically offered to candidates, regardless of her 18 million supporters hopes.

The superdelegates were created to prevent an "unelectable" candidate.as in McGovern's case. Why do all these fine Democrats seem to be bucking the democratic process our Democratic leaders created to prevent a loss in November? It doesn't seem prudent at many levels to avoid following the process in place, neither creating harmony within the party nor ensuring a wiin in the GE, I suggest that it won't be the Hillary supporters who will be responsible if we lose in Nov.

[sturge].....what will be will be......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jG91sPvf0

If I had any sense, I'd go off and start a blog where everyone who came simply agreed wholeheartedly with whatever I choose to believe.....

Corey - all those guys played 16 game seasons - Joe played 14 game seasons - his career passing record - first player to throw for 4000 yards - for NFL seasons of 14 games stood until the NFL lengthened the season to 16. Dan Fouts beat that record in a 16 game season in 1879. Joe was a great runner in college, but because of the knee injuries and a hamstring injury from water skiing he suffered, he never had the mobility to be a great scrambler in the pros. I was given the book "Namath" for Christmas last year - the back flyleaf has a photo of him as a Jet - passing over a charging line - looks like he's 3 feet in the air.

patd - LOL!!! (They are about the same age, after all - Glen is 4 months older).

Pogo, Now I know why we get along.

My first recollection of my "Broadway Joe" was the New Year's game his Tide played against Texas--white shoes & all (I know they lost)--but that was the beginning of my absolute adulation of Joe Willie Namath.

By the way other than the 1969 Colts victory, the best game for me was the AFL Championship game against the hated Oakland Raiders in New York--a cold, windy December day--that was such sweet revenge. Well, enough reminiscing.

If I were King of the Bloggists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWFh9Rp1hac

Well based on today's thread it's going to be even more ugly around here than usual. Later peeps.

damn, that was easy enough.

"And he would not agree wtih MIka's simplistic assessment that he was dissing Obama because he didn't just say yes."

I wish I had seen Axelrod do this. It would make me think better of him. Virtually every uncut piece I have seen of Sen.or Presient Clinton has called for the election of Sen. Obama as president while calling for a unified party coming out of Denver. Sen. Clinton has not even put in a formal request for her name to be put in nomination.

The meeting in Palo Alto, a guest asked her about a roll call and her response was that they were looking for "some way" for her delegates to feel included and respected.

Out of this the media has built this whole "Clintons are still pissed" meme. Sure their feelings may be hurt over real or imagined slights, but they are Democrats and they are calling for the election of Barack Obama as president of the US. They have opened up their money coffers and she has appeared on his behalf both with and without him.

The media acts as if they should grovel in his presence to prove they really, really mean it. My opinion is that this is more DNC back stabbing to make her look bad so that her supporters will stop demanding that he pick the obviously best possible candidate to run with him as VP. If they can make her look bad enough, then some totally dull yawn of an appointment can be selected without conflict.

In an unusual twist, 30% of the voters from both parties are still saying they will make their decision this year based on the VP appointment.

King of the Ugliness departs in face of Ugliness?

details at eleven..........cant tell the irony without a scorecard.

Was it antics that elected President Roosevelt? He won on the fourth ballot. I guess they believed in democratic conventions then.

doggone it sturg - I can't view youtube stuff - what was that Campbell thing a link to - him in sequins on a lit up horse?

Thanks for the warning, Brian.

Stinky says she's going to take me out to lunch. So, I might as well go make myself presentable so that I won't completely shame her.

And, when we return, it will be nap time.

So, Brian, save your best for when I'm back.

Who's ugly around here?

Sturge? Pogo?

It's not me I'm quite handsome.

Jack

"this was a first-time investment of heart and soul and money" EuroTom 9:30 AM

Good morning. Great thread.
Tom, love that paragraph you quoted. Said it all.
...............................

Obama Pivots to Populism
This turn to populism is not an extreme political makeover. Rather, it's a distinct tonal shift as the Democratic presidential candidate finishes a trip through three swing states -- Michigan, Ohio and Indiana -- where blue-collar voters aren't necessarily on board.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_pivots_to_populism.html

Warning!: Only Hillary supporters should read the following. All others will be angered.

Hillary's Growing Shadow
By Victor Davis Hanson
Barack Obama and John McCain are running neck and neck.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/hillarys_growing_shadow.html

pogo.....sorry......should have done a blurb......Johnny Hartford doing "gentle on me mind"

coreen, yep - revenge for the Heidi game.

sturg - another wonderful musician - I used to love watching John play banjer while Glen sang his song.

It's not all about Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Please don't lose sight of that.

It's today's bright shiny object. And who does the division benefit, in the end?

This story won't even touch most voters. Many people are vacationing and getting their families ready for the new school year and enjoying the last days of summer.

They will wait for the convention, see how it goes, and vote in November.

The web certainly has the ability to make a non-story into todays news.

Today's thread on the BackChannel Blog

Hey Chuck Todd, what the hell?, by BrianInNYC

http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

jamie - despite Mika's best efforts (a low bar indeed) to get Axelrod to diss Bill, he said that what he saw was a reporter trying very hard to get Bill to say something negative about Obama - and he didn't think what Bill said was a slight. In my view it showed a bit of class I never saw in Axelrod before.

It's ugly around here? I hadn't noticed. Jack, I'm certain there are folks who's say I'm the one. I'm sure you and sturg cut fine figures. (btw, good work, sturg).

oldseahag: Calling you out. FDR went into the 1932 convention way stronger than Hillary Clinton or Obama (he had triple Al Smith's delegates on the first ballot and only improved his margin in subsequent votes). Further, it was not the YouTube and Macaca age. Way less room for error.

We are at war in two other countries, still deeply divided, and facing turbulent economic and political times.

Americans want to look at the Democratic convention and see a party that can get things done, not a party that hasn't fought enough over the nomination in the previous two years and still can't get it together.

Here's Wikipedia on the 1932 Democratic convention. It bears little resemblance to the current situation:

Presidential Balloting, DNC 1932
ballot 1 2 3 4
Gov. Franklin Roosevelt 666.5 677 682 945
Former Gov. Al Smith 201 194 190 190

For heaven's sake, Will Rogers got 22 votes on the second ballot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_Democratic_National_Convention

Pogo--revenge for the Laassiter & Davidson's late hits
to his face--concussion, black eye, fractured jaw in '67. Don't let me get started. The Heidi game--diving for a radio as the TV goes off--the culmination of the long standing hatred of the Raiders--therefore most sweet revenge.

Just when you thought it was going to stay civil.......

Stay good all, and have fun watching the olympics opening ceremony..It will be a blast

"..........cant tell the irony without a scorecard."

ROFL!

what about the Kennedy Carter convention ...
didn't Ted have his name put in against a sitting president

Exactly, anon. That worked out so well, didn't it?

Giving up here for the day. Following Flatus' advice (and hope you and Mrs. have a good lunch).

..........cant tell the irony without a scorecard."
ROFL! Posted by: Patsi

Patsi, Yes sturge has had me laughing all morning. He's right on the mark today.

Dog

"Gov. Franklin Roosevelt 666.5 677 682 945
Former Gov. Al Smith 201 194 190 190"

This is exactly why so many of the Clinton delegates want a first ballot roll call. It acknowledges all their hard work for their candidate, and demonstrates the viability of the party. Sen. Obama would still win on the first ballot. There would be a call for unanimity and then a big whoop it up celebration. It's called democracy. You are allowed to vote for someone other than the winner and have that vote counted.

Coreen, of course there is a little irony in that Raiders-Jets 68-69 rivalry. Ken "the snake" Stabler - Namath's successor at Bama, was on the sidelines of the Raiders (drafted in '68) although he didn't play in the '68 season or the '69 championship game.

The new Obama energy commercial is great. It's done as bullet point statements of his actions to take and looks very sharp and professional. It makes the McCain commercials look like amateur hour.

1980 Delegate count

The delegate tally at the convention was in part:

Jimmy Carter – 2,129.02
Ted Kennedy– 1,150.48
Hugh Carey – 16
William Proxmire – 10
14 others – 40.5

Suddenly being green is not cool any more
As the credit crunch bites, environmental policies are being ditched. But oddly we are doing better at saving the planet

"Bottled water sales have fallen. Garden centres have reported a 10 per cent rise in the sales of vegetable seeds in the past 12 months. People are saving money by growing their own potatoes and carrots. They are turning off their central heating for a few more months of the year and ditching their second car rather than buying an electric runaround. And instead of carbon-offsetting their holidays, they are simply going on fewer of them.

It's the downturn that has made greenery look unappetising - but it may yet prove to do more than anything to save the planet."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4474202.ece

Have a good day.

Lets look at this another way. What if the current impasse ends up being more costly for the Clintons? They are basically daring Obama and the Dems to repudiate them. What good comes of that.

I associate myself with the comments of dog's eye view

Hasta Manana.

Rez

Yeah, but . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .

via con dios

Jack

"What if the current impasse ends up being more costly for the Clintons?"

What if it doesn't?
Same formula in the end, Obama needs her more than she needs Obama.
Remember her base ain't going anywhere. That was the news contained in yesterdays youtube, btw.

Jack

More Bush economy BS. Jobless claims rise to highest level since 3/02.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/business/08econ.html?hp

"A program to locate people eligible for jobless benefits played a role in the increase, a Labor Department analyst said. However, the analyst could not say how much of a role."

Can't say how many people that program located? Now what did I do with the Brooklyn Bridge? It's time to sell it.

In case you get bored during the Convention speeches, here is something for your playtime

http://www.obamapaperdoll.com/

or

http://www.mccainpaperdoll.com/

Includes family members and changes of clothes both casual and formal as worn on the campaign trail.

dog's eye view- Go ahead and stamp your feet and demand Party unity if you think that's constructive and will help to meet the big goal.

Jamie

does it have Michelles urban terrorist costume from the New Yorker ?

Saw her on GMA this morning and they have got the lid so clamped down on her that she can't be herself or she is dog tired. I suspect the later as I can't see anyone keeping her contained for long. She is a bit like the Big Dog,Bill in that respect. Time for her to take a break get a couple of weeks rest during the olympics, be ready for the sprint to the end in November.

Jack

jamie, after my last outburst they took all sharp objects away from me - think they have a virtual version?

"Remember her base ain't going anywhere."

only 6 feet under

Back for one question.

EuroTom: how was the birthday?

Bird food
"Jumbo edible sunflower, Safflower,
Grey Striped Sunflower, Whole Corn, Buckwheat, Wheat, Kafir, Whole Oats, Peanuts,
Protein Biscuits, Chili Peppers, Oyster Shells, Banana Chips, Pineapple, Raisins, Pellets, Ground Corn, Soybean meal"

Yep, about what I thought

Jack

There you go in your CIC role whiskyjack. birdfood sounds yummy to me.

"they took all sharp objects away from me - think they have a virtual version?"

Pogo, We told you to stop stabbing folks with the scissors to emphasize your arguments.

I do believe the dolls have perforations ... no cutting required.

Jack

I'm really starting to like Michelle except when they have her so tightly controlled that her smile and sharp wit doesn't come through. She actually has more management experience than her husband. Maybe we could have her run for President in 2016.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if she and Hillary could kick back and hit the wine bottle, they would have a great time together.

Rednecks and Obama

an interesting read

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4428685.ece

Jack

Jamie

She one of those strong women types that have held the AA comunity together through all of their troubles. Very impressive in her own right.

Jack

This maybe too intense for some people

Cowbird Courtship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2HGVPR8gvk

Jack:-P

jack chirps back

waiter, check please.
Time to get out of here.

Those were Eduardo and Clarabell. During their celibate phase. They're raising a brood now. Hands full. At least they didn't have to build their own nest.

The Bradley Effect: From a Zogby.com article:
Political scientists estimated the Bradley effect or lie factor at close to seven percent; others place it slightly lower, but it has been the bane of African American candidates for a long time.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=18035

must stop stabbing...must stop stabbing.

OK, Obama isn't concerned about the evil Clintons tearing theparty apart.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON_OBAMA?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Why shouldn't his followers listen to him and relax?

Obama Losing Steadily to McCain On Issues of “Trust”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/07/obama-losing-steadily-to-mccain-on-issues-of-trust/

"Obama told reporters on his campaign plane that he talked separately this week to Clinton and her husband, the former president, and that they were enthusiastic about having a smooth convention at the end of the month in Denver."

Pogo, No matter how the networks slice, dice, insert and paste the remarks on that interview with Pres. Clinton or Sen. Clinton answering a question, I think I'll take Sen. Obama's word that he has spoken to them since and everything is just fine.