Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

First, all we talked about was Hillary. Now, all we talk about is Palin. When do we talk about Obama?

McCain's pick of Palin, a woman with very little executive experience, a woman who has approved a 26 billion dollar oil pipeline to Canada instead of the United States shows that McCain's decision was made from an adlolescent place of "I'll show you mentallity" instead of one of wisdom and judgment and will be a disaster because this is not a game but serious, deadly business! Maybe McCain really is senile and confused and incapable of making sound judgments. This woman will be a heartbeat away from being in charge of the highest office in the land. If she was Qualified, that would be different but she is not and that is the bottom line. Not to mention that his argument that Barack has no experience And Is not Ready is out the door, his strongest argument against Barack.

Is this decision Historic or Hysterical or a mockery to our political system? A game changer or a roll of the dice? And should a Presidential candidate play russian roulette with the people's business? It is sort of sad to me personally, that McCain with all the problems we face here, did not have the People's interest at heart but rather a desire to win for winning's sake and did not think of the consequences of his actions and what it would mean for this country if she had to be sworn in as President of the United States!

However, in this evil ploy to pull Hillary women from Barack with no consideration as to whether or not this woman has the ability and experience to lead the United States here and on a world scale shows a very adolescent way of thinking, and a lack of sound judgment and as McCain's first executive decision, a disaster! Through this pick, McCain has just shown that he is NOT READY TO LEAD, and it also proves that he is not really serious about solving America's problems!

Really you thought Tim Kaine was qualified to be president

Really, think about it .

Really you thought Katherine Sebillius was qualified to be president

Really, think about it.

Posted by: sock drawer open | August 29, 2008 1:39 PM

I don't think GWB gave a second's worth of thought to what would happen if he died while in office. For that, we can all be glad he remained healthy.

Oyez! Oyez! Oyez!

At 12:15 this afternoon Flatus and Stinky became parents once again having adopted a third daughter, Jennie Williams Ohlfahrt, who, from this point forward, shall be known as Toots.

Yeah... I smell fear. I think you guys know it's a good pick, hence the immediate yet unsubstantiated attacks. A political unknown yesterday, she hasn't been the VP nominee for more than 3 hours and already everyone is a Sarah Palin expert.

Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 1:44 PM

How wonderful for you. I saw your post to Pogo the other day and wondered what you were up to...

This move will come back to haunt Mac. It's telling that even some of the Washington Republicans are nonplussed by the selection.

As Craig aptly noted, it makes for a good political surprise, but when the media digs deeper - little to no experience in a less than populous state; staunch pro-life anti-feminist; corruption scandal involving her brother in-law; and so on - she may very well be seen as a disaster and a liability.

Mac is old...if he were to kick the bucket in office, do you think Palin's ready to confront the national security challenges this country faces? Do you think she has *any* ethos abroad as a diplomat?

Geez....

LMAO, the D machine and their cohorts in the MSM have already started to attack Palin. Why am I so surprised, after all isn't this what they allowed happen to HRC.

Flatus

Congratulations. Toots is lucky to get parents like you and stinky..

julie

Fry: Why shouldn't they attack her? Why should she receive immunity? She is a terrible VP candidate.

KGC,

I know you're right in the way that you meant it, but I still have to respond.

Alaska's a small state?

Yes, but only because they don't award electoral votes by the square mile.

FD

I didn't need to know what went into the decision to know some very important things: The United States does not engage in pre emptive strikes and that would be a horrid black mark against our country. Osama ben Ladin was holed up in Afghanistan and no where near Iraq. A lot of innocent people got slaughtered unnecessarily. Terrorism is rarely a government function and using armies to fight it was to deny everything known about anarchists and terrorists of all kinds was the height of ignorarnce.

Gung ho, cowboy George and the America firster, flag waving jingoists wanted to kill some Arabs. That just made it popular not right.

My favorite of the prime time soap operas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_(TV_miniseries)

XR

"the "intelligent" purpose behind "designing" viruses ?"

God ordered humans to go forth and multiply. Viruses are God's way of keeping things from being overcrowded. Just for the record, it's not working.

EdVB

You are such a stickler....:)))))
Next time I'll say least populous state...

And If Obama Loses? (Pat Buchanan)

"After the phony roll call vote was taken here to formally nominate Barack Obama -- a roll call that did not remotely reflect the true delegate strength of Hillary -- the media exploded in an orgy of celebration about the historic character of the moment to which they had just been privileged to be witness.

No candidate has ever been nominated by a major party with fewer credentials or a weaker claim to the presidency, or more doubts as to his core beliefs. If Obama wins, the country could be in real trouble. And if he loses, the country could be in real trouble.

What the media celebrate today, they may rue tomorrow."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28277

"little to no experience"

And BHO has tremendous experience? Is why he had to pick Biden as his VP to make up for his less than spectacular knowledge of foreign affairs. Plus Palin has more executive experience than BHO and Biden put together, and unlike BHO, JM didn't pick a DC insider like BHO was so opposed to. You will recall BHO saying he wanted to get away from the old ways of how DC worked. Biden has been there for 30 years. I love JM tact, this story has completely blown BHO thingy off the front page, and placed it on page B-5, and then into the circular bin.

"Toots is lucky to get parents like you and stinky.."

Julie, many thanks, but I reckon it is we who are the lucky ones.

PU: Any time a man accuses a woman of being 'anti-feminist', it rings a little hollow. Abortion is a women's issue; you, as a man, flying that flag just comes across as pandering.

The posting of "We Are The World" reminded me of "Hands Across America" the following year in 1986.

Who participated and where were you.

I was in DC up near Dupont Circle/Embassy Row

Flatus....
CONGRATS to you and Stinky..... and Toots.... how old is she?

Corey....... Obama didn't last as the topic of discussion very long today.....
and I bet the GOP give him a few lessons with their convention next week....
here's to hoping he's a fast learner.....

John McCain secretly *hearts* the Democrats! Why else would he have chosen Palin (who is nearly as dull a speaker as he is!)

jamie,.

Your knowledge of the decisions making that goes into launching something as serious as a preemptive strike could fill a flea's behind. Next you'll be telling me about your law enforcement experience, which equates to you once firing a gun. You'll never know, because you have never been there. But keep reading those novels.

Welcome to the family Toots Olfart, I'm sure Stinky and Flatus will be happy to have another instrument in the orchestra.

Her husband, Todd Palin, is part Yup'ik Eskimo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Alaskan_Yup'ik

interesting the multi-racial spectrum when you look at the children (including adoptees) of the dem/rep nominees.
isn't america great!

Hands across America?
I was in Hartville Ohio...we had a big group of family and friends --the pictures from the day are pretty funny
We had a few teenagers in our group who couldn't have looked more bored

ET,

Are you still out there, or did you go home? You'll have to refresh my failing memory, did I say No, or did I say Know? Please enlighten me.

Congratulations to flatus, stinky and toots ohlfart!!!

Now, I really miss Al Gore! He has it all: legislative, executive, Nobel Peace Prize, Academy Award, veteran, and a crusader for climate control in his background.

FD

I would like to point out that however I based my judgement about iraq, I was right.

It was a monumental cockup and continues to be one. Has cost us thousands of US lives while wasting US treasure and put us massively in debt to another world power, slaughtered thousands upon thousands of innocentsand ruined our reputation in the world. Can't be much more wrong than George was about that decision.

Do we have any overnight poll numbers since Obama's speech last night?

Embassy Row is nowhere near Dupont Circle

Renee,

She's 53. Was found on Stinky's doorstep in the summer of '55 back when there were lots of orphans in Korea.

Always thought of Stinky as her Mom although she was raised by grandma and a brother, both since deceased.

When we went back to Korea in May, we were exceedingly fortunate in finding her. It was as if no time had passed.

In any case, not only did we gain a daughter, we acquired a son-in-law, four granddaughters, one grandson-in-law, another to be gained in October, and a great grandkid to arrive in November.

We've decided that her birthday will be July 4th, 1955.

April showers in August!

Never mind. Gallup has it up. 8 point lead. Now we can compare tomorrow to see if Palin makes a difference.

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

The question between now and election day isn't which of these tickets is superior to partisans but rather which of these tickets will appeal to Independents?

Palin ended the bridge to no where and sold the jet (for profit) the previous governor had purchased.

Prior to being governor she was a mayor whose focus was lowering property taxes. Palin has very strong appeal to independents and people fed up with government.

Boss,

General area. I was directly on Dupont Circle for the hand holding, but we were wandering around that whole weekend just kind of sight seeing on Massachusetts and in Rock Creek and the Zoo.

They are like Reagan DEMS. They feel very estranged from the DEMs right now and they are enjoying the ass-kissing that the GOP is giving them. The DEMs would be smart to start doing doing some ass-kissing of their own, with a little groveling thrown in, or they may lose the PUMAs for as long as they lost the Reagan DEMS.

Posted by: Alicia Knight

Alicia,

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama may have missed a chance to score bigger with New Yorkers who supported their senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Democratic Gov. David Paterson says Obama could have overcome supreme disappointment in the New York delegation over Clinton's loss of the nomination by stopping by to visit or sending a top surrogate.
Paterson, who had supported New York Sen. Clinton, says it would have wise for Obama to try to defuse the hurt feelings among New York's Democrats. Paterson made the comments from the Denver convention to Talk 1300 AM radio in Albany.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/NEWS/80828021

Obama also dissed Charlie Rangel the powerful Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means which was not just impolitic but grievously petty. Great leaders like Churchill and Lincoln were "magnanimous" in victory, not so Obama. To paraphrase Abba Eban, Obama, "never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. "
PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

I think Sarah Palin is a terrific pick.

Last night was a historical night for Obama and now all we're talking about is Palin. Jamie, Axelrod said that he was not looking for a huge boost in poll numbers today.

Typical Obama thinking --It's all about Hillary.

It's all about turning out your base and picking up the middle.

Obots want to keep the Clinton mythology alive to blame her when he loses. The reaction today demonstrates a complete lack of confidence in the Democratic ticket.

See, here's why Palin is such a smart pick, dog...

Anytime a guy like you criticizes a woman in any way, justly or not, it comes off as misogynist (see, even THAT sounds misogynist). As the media rips her apart in the next few month, or tries to, the tone will inevitably become overtly more sexist, and will piss women off progressively until voting day, when they get in the booth... their right arms are going to be real itchy.

Politics of Utopia, And why is she terrible?

Because she is a female.
Because she hasn't spent half her life in DC.
Because she has a 80% approval record of the citizen in Alaska.
Because she is right to life.
Because she is an executive.
Because she has reduced taxes.
Because she was against "The Bridge to No-Where".
Because she has a history of foreign trade.
Because she turned the tax money from big oil back over to the people of Alaska.
Because she is still married to her HS sweetheart.
Because she has 5 Children. the oldest in Iran withe US Army.
Because she decided not to abort her unborn child who was diagnosed with down syndrome.
Because her husband holds 2 jobs. Commercial fisherman, and working for an oil company.
Because she was involved in civic affairs. PTA.
Because she got elected mayor of a small town.
Because she enjoys, hunting and fishing.
Because she is NRA member, and is big on the 2nd Amendment.
Because no one knew of her and yet she has as much poise as anyone I've seen so far.
Because she represent small town values.

As I said earlier I am hoping and praying the D smear machine unleash their hounds from hell, because it is going to get shoved right back up their asses. So bring it the Fuck On Bitches.

Other than that i am having a great day!

Frankly, I'd feel safer with Palen was president as Joe Liebermans.

I wonder if KO has come down from last night yet? He was so giggly and goofy it was almost embarrassing to watch the sloppy adulation. Even Matthews didn't have that big a man crush.

"Now back to reality. Palin is going to be savaged in this campaign. "

Why not, bear --- the DNC did a practice run on HRC...

Patsi

No one would feel safe with Joe Lieberman. I didn't like it when he was Gore's choice, just prayed that if he won, Gore would stay healthy.

Champ

dog is not "a guy like you".not a guy at all.

"Does John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin give you in any way the sense that McCain gave a second's worth of thought to what would happen if he died in office? "

She has as much experience as the Democratic nominee. What does that say about you?

I have no friggin' idea what Jesus Christ Political Rock Star will do. His ego seems awfully close to that of George W Bush.

Jamie,

Even a blind squirrel can find nuts, sometimes. You being right is nothing than pure chance, it wasn't based on knowledge, so I assume it was based on your horoscope?

I won't be voting McCain/Palin -- but I find it absolutely hysterical that a man with zip experience is given a pass and a woman with about the same is being crucified. Pot? Kettle?

Patsi,

"but I find it absolutely hysterical that a man with zip experience is given a pass and a woman with about the same is being crucified."

Amen to that sister.

Considering how most people here feel about McCain and his pick of Palin, why even worry about it? I mean, unless you are worried that McCain might actually win.

FD

What is it with you? My ability to analyze situations and apply existing conditions while considering historical context is quite good. You don't have to be some sort of insider to think logically. I knew a great deal of middle east history and it didn't take all that much imagination to see that an error was being made.

Just because you were taken in by all the patriotic, flag waving, and general bs doesn't mean that all of us were.

Yeah, I was wondering, KGC. She certainly employs masculine diction then. In any case, I'll stand by my analysis. Substitute "guys like me".

"No candidate has ever been nominated by a major party with fewer credentials or a weaker claim to the presidency, or more doubts as to his core beliefs."
-GORDO

Friend, you forget that your party picked Wendell Willkie during WWII, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, and Abraham Lincoln in 1860. Herbert Hoover, on the other hand, had gobs of experience.

Corey

Overconfidence has killed the Democrats before.

Sarah Palin has a lot going for her that combined with John McCain will be very attractive to about 40% of the population of voters.

Sen. Obama has a lot going for him that combined with Joe Biden will be very attractive to about 40% of the population of voters.

How the remaining 20% of the electorate divides will decide who sits in 1600.

FryDaddy,

It can't speak well to the state of the economy if the husband of the Governor from the State of Alaska needs 2 jobs does it?

ET,,
Why post a statement then not reply to my question.

It like the xrepublican guy that keeps hanging at the same McDonalds where these KKK sounding guys drink their morning brew. If their racial comments bother you that much why not tell them to shut their yaps, or to prevent from getting lynched, move to another coffee shop.

Jamie, yeah but she has been torn down here already. People saying what a terrible pick she is. If she's as bad as people say she is here, why worry? Of course, I did watch a few minutes of FOX News just to hear what they had to say. Dems and Republicans remind me of the Red Sox and Yankees. Red Sox make a personnel move and people watch to see what the Yankees are gonna do next. Yankees make a personell move and people watch to see what the Red Sox are gonna do next.

I am curious,

Who likes their chances more in 2012...

Mitt Romney or Hillary Clinton?

"As I said earlier I . . . unleash their hounds from hell, . . . shoved right back up their asses. . . So bring it . . Bitches."

Posted by: FryDaddy August 29, 2008 2:30 PM

Damn Daddy, chill bro. .
It was a bad choice, but no need to stroke out about it.

ROFLAMFAO

Let me be petty here for a moment. I'll bet Palin gets a new hairdo from what I've seen of her so far. What a
mixed bags of candidates!!

Bear,

Alaska needs 2 jobs does it?.

Has to do with the seasons. Winter in Alaska. Guess you have to be in Alaska in the winter to appreciated the bitter cold. So bitter cold and water is a bad combination. But like I was told when I use to travel to Tucson, AZ in the summertime. Yes it does get hot here, but we have little humidity.

Oh, just a general impression formed over the course of my participation here rather than anything specific recently. The reason I always jumped down his/her throat upon his/her attacks upon my fan club president were because I thought he/she was a dude. Call me old-fashioned. Now that I know it to be a cat-fight, I suppose I'll just sit back and enjoy...

Rezdog,

No the bad choice was BHO. Mr Do Nothing, Mr. No Nothing.

OK, enough from me.

I will just say that Palin is a much better VP candidate than McCain is a Presidential candidate. Too little too late? Probably.

Rez

who knew?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENhdV9if5Z4

KNOW NOTHING

Fry,

Forgetting the seasonal nature of work in Alaska, it's not like he's working 40 hours a week at both jobs like many Americans struggling with the current economy.

I've known some people who worked in the Alaskan fishing industry and they seemed to do well enough that they could work 4 months and be set for the year...

LOL

KGC,

Dang, Hurricane's a coming for sure now!

I'm wondering why the Democrats haven't been focusing more on the McCain house thing for this reason...

Not only does he not know how many houses he owns, but he and his wife can't even pay their property taxes on time...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/01/McCains_wife_avoids_property_tax_default/UPI-58751214932897/

It makes you wonder if the only reason he wants to cut taxes is so he doesn't have to remember to pay them..

Rez

I want that split screen....go rae rae!

fry daddy, add beauty queen to that list
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/29/palinfrom-beauty-pageant-to-popular-governor/

Palin sure fits the traditional model for women elected officials--start out in PTA then graduate to higher levels of government.

The wonderful thing about local governments is that they are often non-partisan so it's up to people to build working coalitions on their own without help from party interests.

She wouldn't have survived to the level she's at now if she wasn't an effective public servant.

It's certain that the next few days and weeks will be really interesting.

And, now it's time to do the convention by telephone, instead of the Twin Cities, and let Mr Obama and Mr Biden figure out what the devil has happened to them.

Does McCain (or his handlers, more likely) think that those of us who supported Hillary Clinton will all of a sudden say, "Look! McCain selected a woman running mate! I'm voting for THEM!"

I'm a little insulted if he does.

Bethy

Aren't you glad we "passed the test." You know you wanted to buy the extra books! :))))))

Palin is a nod to the religious right - not Clinton supporters.
Why do you think they rolled it out in Ohio - a state where evangelicals can and have made a difference.

All the religious wackos have weighed in about how Pallin is t the right pick.

KGC,

I going to have to get in shape so I can get back out on the circuit and make a little extra. I bet I could clean up in FL if I modified that to a "No Cane" dance! lol

Mary Kitt,

That's exactly what they are counting on. The curious thing is that if a clinton supporter wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway, why waste the pick on a woman to attract the voters you were getting anyway?

I have no fear that McCain will win in November. I more interested in how big a margin he'll lose by.

As to his choice for VP - Palin isn't the only questionable decision he's made during this campaign. A better choice for him would have been any of his competitors... Maybe Romney. Maybe he should even have gone with Tim Pawlenty.

His choice of Palin seems, at least on the surface, an obvious ploy to try elicit the disenfranchised Hillary supporters. It's not going to work. Those supporters weren't holding out for any woman - they wanted a specific woman. Palin pales in comparison.

BTW, I'm an independent and not enrolled in a party. If McCain had remained the liberal Republican renegade he had been in the 2000 primaries, he would have been my candidate. As it stands now, I'm pleased to say I'm for the Obaman/Biden ticket.

And how can you go wrong with Joe Biden. He's knowledgable and could step in to the center seat in an instant if needed.

Bear,

I knew a few people who worked the Alaskan Pipeline, but like everything thing else if you work in an industry where you have little or no control of the catch, farmer their crops, you end up working 2 jobs to make ends meet, or to put away the extra money into savings. I sort of doubt if he is working the 2 x 40 hours jobs at the same time, the logistics just won't work out. But working 2 jobs isn't something to be looked down upon. Also living in Alaska has always been expensive, unless you want to live in the wilds and live off the land. You could be known as Bear of the North, or The North Bearside.

In an interview, Southern Baptist spokesman Richard Land vetoes as a pro-choice "catastrophe" Tom Ridge and, reluctantly, Joe Lieberman, who he "would love to have" as Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State. (In 2002, they both evangelized for Iraq as a "just war.")

Who does Land like? "Governor (Sarah) Palin of Alaska...She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child...She's strongly pro-life. She's a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. She would ring so many bells."
August 9, 2008
http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/08/religious-rights-vp-choices.html

Rez
"No Cane" LOL

maybe you can get a contract with Gov Christ
Speaking of whom...should we have a pool on long his engagement will last now that he is not the vp pick

Corey

"yeah but she has been torn down here already"

Despite a few such as Champ, FD, and Ping Pong, this is hardly a Republican hang out. Even our moderate leaning Dems such as myself, Blue and Patsi get slapped around a lot.

Basing how the electorate is going to respond to Palin by the reactions here would be like judging the life expectancy of an Impala by seeing it in the middle of a pride of lions.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-political-fast-ball.html#comment-135876

I think McCain can count on the media for help with Hillary's voters. Once they start up with all their sexist crap, it's just going to bring up all the old garbage again & keep the wounds open. In fact, they've already started.

1. There is nothing WRONG with Palin. She is just an odd choice, and unlikely to be of much help to the ticket. She does have poise, gained during her beauty queen days. Maybe she can help john with his poise problem.

2. I can't wait to hear john call her a "stupid c?nt."

3. a. Re the alledged experience gap: yes, Obama spent years in a foreign country, living among the simple folk, and learning how the rest of humanity lives. On the other hand, Palin once bought take out from an Italian restaurant.

3. b. Obama knows many of the legislators he will have to work with to get things done, after he is elected. Palin knows her US Representative and two Senators. Of course, ted stevens and don young will probably both retire in January, but they are from the Organized Crime wing of the party, and not on speaking terms with Palin, anyway.

4. ~~~The entire US has had TONS of EXPERIENCE with mccain's hobbyhorses. mccain's war in Iraq is wildly popular and successful. mccain's disapproval of letting soldiers and vets get educated, and his opposition to vet's benefits is very popular, because his policies will save cowardly Billionaires hundreds of dollars each! mccain's support for deregulating lending institutions has worked out beautifully: America has never produced so many wonderful foreclosures. mccain's love of the confederate battle flag, under which the southern terrorists murdered American soldiers and civilians, makes us all proud as Punch.~~~

5. The bigger Q is why Palin would want to even stand on the same planet with mccain, let alone be on his lame ticket.

Does McCain (or his handlers, more likely) think that those of us who supported Hillary Clinton will all of a sudden say, "Look! McCain selected a woman running mate! I'm voting for THEM!"

I'm a little insulted if he does.

Why would you be insulted? Sounds like you have already made your mind up, and you are going to vote for BHO.

But of the HRC supporters their is a segment that will vote for McCain as they will see he at least is giving a female, one with executive credentials, a shot at VP. What did The D party give HRC, they didn't give her a shot, although she may have thought at time she became the main target in a shooting gallery.

Despite a few such as Champ, FD, and Ping Pong

Jamie, didn't you forget someone?

I'm going to donate $25 to the McCain campaign, I'm so happy. I was terrified that they'd get Romney, send him to Michigan and take the state. But ole Maverick proved that judgment does count and he picked an unknown from a state people still think is owned by Russia. Thanks John!

Fry,

Nothing wrong with working two jobs. I'm just wondering aloud that the fact could be spun into a creative campaign ad.

Here is some analysis about where the campaign will now be decided...

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/29/1802129-thanks-to-palin-its-all-about-abortion-now

"The wonderful thing about local governments is that they are often non-partisan so it's up to people to build working coalitions on their own without help from party interests."

Women understand that the local PTA and school board can be more shark filled than any caucus in Congress.

o be sure, I'm a poor judge of the visual side of campaign events. But what I saw in Dayton was (1) the "maverick" GOP presidential candidate introducing his "maverick" running mate, even though Palin, even more than McCain, is actually a conservative ideologue whose selection thrilled both cultural and economic factions of the Right; (2) a direct appeal by Palin to HRC supporters to consummate Hillary's campaign by shattering the splintered "glass ceiling;" (3) a compelling personal story of a woman who (a) has one son with Down's Syndrome, (b) another who is being deployed to Iraq on September 11; (c) is married to a Native American (at least technically) union worker and athlete; and (d) has bravely defied her party and oil companies in Alaska.
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2008/08/avoiding_the_mccainpalin_trap.php

KGC

Just remembered. I found a something for you to do while in Monterey ... go kayaking with the otters

http://www.montereybaykayaks.com/info/monterey.php

Jamie,

You should have reminded FD that you stayed in a Holiday Inn Xpress once.

"I was terrified that they'd get Romney, send him to Michigan and take the state. But ole Maverick proved that judgment does count and he picked an unknown from a state people still think is owned by Russia. Thanks John!" -Mr. Democrat

Laughed 'til I hurt.

My niece who was a big Hillary supporter just e-mailed me an article on Palin & said John McCain now has her vote. Things are going to get interesting now, as if they weren't enough already.

"is married to a Native American (at least technically) union worker and athlete;"

Damn it! I might have to reconsider my vote.

Wonder where the "technically" tribe comes from ?

Rez....
if you do do the No Cane dance, please make sure it goes up on utube..... that's something I've gotta see........

Flatus..... 53.... hey that's my age.....
BTW..... I LOVE the name Toots and have named 2 cats that..... it's the only name I've ever used twice.....

OMG..... we're still talking about Hillary......

gotta go get ready for my party..... see y'all later....

Frydaddy

I could have sworn I typed F D

Who did you have in mind?

"he picked an unknown from a state people still think is owned by Russia."

See ET here is another example of the public school system They still think Alaska is owned by Russia. Would that be Czar Nicholas, Katherine the Great, Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible. Who is the leader over there these days?

Jamie,

You did, I was speaking about another R, you know starts with the letter "G".

Good points Craig !
Key is the VP on the Rep ticket compares to the Top of the Dem ticket.
The Dem ticket is upside down

Flatus
Congat's

Jamie, that's why I said I watched a little bit of FOX News to see what they had to say about Palin. I figured they might view her a little differently than how she is viewed here. That said, I still don't see why anybody would want the job of president or vice president.

FD

I try to forget Gordo as often as possible. With friends like that you really don't need enemies.

And still kinda hot.

No offense to her--I liked the way she presented herself--but she is like the latest contestant to be introduced in that reality TV series, "America's Next President!"

McCain has chosen a total unknown for dubious political motives. I suspect he overruled the wisdom of his Rovian advisors and went on his wife's recommendation. What does this say about his readiness to be President?

Say goodbye to the votes of moderates (when her radical right-wing views become known) and national security voters (one 72-year-old heartbeat away....)

"here is another example of the public school system "

No proof of that is that American children don't know why the Bering Sea is named Bering or why there is a Baranov Island.

Opps it is Friday, time to celebrate. John good strong American name, and Sarah one of my all time favorite names ever.

Things are looking brighter already, and our convention hasn't even started :-) Think I'll even seen some money to the Campaign to Elect John McCain.

No ET yet? Hmmmm

Oh happy day, oh happy day...

Have a Great Labor Day weekend.

All the blondebimbo newstweekers at faux news must love the beauty queen pick :

"It's a qualification which none of the other candidates have, and should play veryyyyy well inside America's gated communities. Coming up in the next hour, bill o'reilly's guest is...."

It kills me that Palin cites the PTA in her service record. Gimme a break. She is the Harriet Miers of VP picks. It's hilarious trying to listen to right-wing try and defend Mac's choice. I heard one guy actually saying - "well, as long as she doesn't get any of those silly stump-em questions about foreign policy, she'll kill in the vp debate"

There is a huge experience gap between Obama and Palin. With his state senate experience, Barack has been in elected office longer than even HRC; Palin's not even completed her first term as gov in a state smaller than the city of Atlanta! She claims she doesn't deal in the "good old boys" network of DC. Imagine if Mac kicks the bucket - she'd be utterly lost. No DC experience whatsoever.

Someone earlier said that as a man I can't talk about feminist issue. What is is, some kind of first-wave nonsense? I *teach* feminist theory to undergraduates, so I think I know a thing or two about the subject. Palin is anti-feminist, period.

FryDaddy,

Just like your eyes lit up when you saw down's syndrome?

My sister has 2 kids with Downs Syndrome.

Okay, I'm confused.

On whose boat did she crew on The Deadliest Catch? And what season?

From late July: Palin, "What is it exactly that the VP does every day?"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/palin-what-is-it-exactly-that-the-vp-does-every-day/

McCain loses the experience and the national security argument in one day. She's a Harriet Miers for sure!

Wait till HRC comes out swinging!

I *teach* feminist theory to undergraduates, so I think I know a thing or two about the subject. Palin is anti-feminist, period.

Posted by: Politics of Utopia Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 3:58 PM

Did she say she was a feminist?
Feminist theory???????

She was on Deadliest Catch? That would get my vote if she was on the Northwestern...but she wasn't

RR, Sorry, PPV Only. :)

The boys sure are catty about the new girl on the block.

* Sarah Palin used to wrestle kodiak bears in Alaskan bare knuckles fight clubs.
* Sarah Palin once bagged a caribou by staring it down until it died.
* Sarah Palin turned down a job as skipper of a Deadliest Catch boat because it wasn’t challenging enough
* Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it’s in their interest to jump into the boat.
* Sarah Palin once guided Santa’s sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.

sock: the point would be - she is anti-feminist in that she doesn't support the biggest issue that defines the struggle for women everywhere: the control over their own bodies

Palin lives feminist theory.
Working mother of five. Equal partner with her spouse.
Commitment to her own values.

Wait till HRC comes out swinging!

Hey PU, what are you thinking, Hill vs Palin, mud wrestling. lol

j/k Patsi, Don't be calling me names now!

I just got two calls in the space of five minutes. One from my Christian fundamentalist Army wife friend who doesn't like McCain and wanted to know what I thought of Palin. When I told her that Palin has been Gov of Alaska for less than two years, Alalska having a population of 750,000 which is less than our DC Metro area, before that being the mayor of a town of only 8,500 people (about half the size of a magisterial district in our county), and now potentially a heart beat away from one of the oldest president who's also had cancer. My friend said, "I don't even want to vote this year."

The other was from my liberal pro-Hillary DEM, now PUMA , friend who doesn't like McCain but was very excited about Palin. She said -- "She's got 5 kids! She's a working mom! She's got a Down Syndrome Child so now children with disabilities will get some attention, so this is a good thing! And she's a woman! Yay!" I asked her if she thought Sarah Palin supported things like increasing quality child care, child care assistance, family leave, universal preschool, pay equity, preventing sexual harassment, supporting women's advancement from the secretarial pool to the executive level (an important issue for my friend since that's how she made it.)

She said, "It's like staying in a dysfunctional marriage. Why would I want to support a party that's always dirty-dealing women candidates?" I said it was a question that a lot of women are probably thinking about now -- stay with a party that treats women candidates like dirt but the rest of us like queens, or move to a party that treats women candidates like queens but the rest of us like dirt?

Meanwhile, I'm trying to do more research on Palin's programs as Gov. and the Alaska state websites is frozen up -- probably too many hits of people like e trying to find out more about her.

Let the Palin humor begin.

Top ten reasons McCain picked Sarah Palin

http://vagreatblueheron.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/top-ten-reasons-mccain-picked-sarah-palin/

sock: you're wrong.

unless you discount the scholarship of feminist thinkers everywhere and translate their political struggle into having a good job and some kids.

she's a narrative, that's all she has to offer for the ticket.

nobody can argue with a straight face that she is in anyway qualified for the position. nobody can seriously claim that she was the best candidate for the job. mccain gave it to her because he's cynical and calculating. he hopes there are enough uncritical voters out there - or enough pumas who would rather take out their petty vengeance than have a supreme court that protects women - to put him over the top.

as my girlfriend said: this election is going to be, in the end and ironically, the true test for women. will they vote for her because she's a woman, or will they vote for Obama because they actually care about women's rights.

http://www.feministsforlife.org/

The term feminist is used by those who have no clue.

For aesthetic purposes, I would rather see a Pelosi vs. Palin or Boxer vs Palin in the mud wrestling arena...though it Ben could spare Jennifer for a few minutes...

Well, some continuity.

At least there'll still be one Republican candidate on a debate stage to raise a hand when someone asks who doesn't believe in evolution.

Bear,

Well, if Palin wasn't on TDC before, she caught herself one big ol' king crab today.

Wonder when (not if) he'll use that infamous term of endearment towards her he shares with Cindy?

Sarah Palin might have been chosen for two reasons (one serious - one not so serious)

1. Republicans tend to have trophy wives. Now John McCain has a trophy running mate...

2. Picking Palin may have been selected in order to target NASCAR Moms and Dads. Those most people only talk about NASCAR Dads (who voted for George W. Bush 70% to 27% for Kerry), women comprise 40% of NASCAR audiences.

The most wanted demographic is comprised of Southern and Midwestern white males and females age 25 and older who usually vote Republican, but can be swayed to vote Democratic if the candidate better addresses the issues they care about.

NASCAR men and women are very conservative and tend to be very religious. They most likely to be anti-cultural, anti diversity and anti abortion. They are highly influenced by churches and driven by what is perceived as “blind patriotism”. Those conservative “values” tend to drive their vote Republican.

Women are a diverse group.
Many a pro-choice but many are not.

Dog: Good point. I would only add that pro-life positions impede on the ability to crack the glass ceiling. Try advancing up the ladder through the ceiling when abortion is outlawed and you're forced to give up your job as a consequence.

Ron Fournier's Analysis: Palin's age and inexperience rivals Obama's.

I guess you can dismiss that analysis.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes_analysis;_ylt=Apl_RDzi6BgvJv.h4Zr6G3us0NUE

"Senator, she is no Dan Quayle!" At this point, the race looks like it could come down to a few closely contested swing states like Colorado and Virgina, both of which "O" needs to avoid dependence on Ohio. A couple of percentage-points swing in the female vote in critical swing states will be the difference between real Change and Hillary Was Right.

Does/Can the VP choice make a difference? There's no quantitative or anecdoctal evidence to indicate that it does. Ask GW, the First. What about McCain's experience wack against Obama? Then, what about the change wack against barack's pick of Biden. This contest will clearly, as always, NOT be decided on the basis of using My VP vsTheir President picks. It has never happened and will not now, even with Mac's age.

Corey: Thanks for the link. I usually disagree with the guy - but he's right on the money. She's a disaster waiting to happen to Mac.

Not only are McCain-Palin going after the DNC and BHO women they left behind, but did you take notice that not only was McCain in Ohio, so was Pawlenty and Romney. They are going to go after Ohio, WV and Ky , Pa. The blue collar vote that BHO could not get either. In fact that is where they are starting their campaign right now going through those very states.

julie

Perhaps the ones most disturbed by McCain's choice of Palin are the polar bears in Alaska.

Democrats should have selected Hillary for VP.

Also, the Super Delegates should have voted for Hillary as Presidential Nominee..

Looks like pro choice women vote Republican
Republicans get more than 24% of women voting for them

I also wonder how many HRC Pumas will appreciate her nutty anti-evolution, pro-creationism agenda. Jesus, she's a joke. But, the right seems to be happy with her, which simply confirms my suspicion that they're not at all interested in governing, but merely winning.

What we need now is for HRC to make good on her promise of support for Obama.

Posted by: Politics of Utopia | August 29, 2008 1:58 PM

What do you think her convention speech was all about? You think she's going to sit on the sidelines??? You really don't like her do you?

You have to love that McCain is using a person to get Hillary voters who recently called Hillary a whiner...lol

Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining.")

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

Palin ended the bridge to no where and sold the jet (for profit) the previous governor had purchased.

Prior to being governor she was a mayor whose focus was lowering property taxes. Palin has very strong appeal to independents and people fed up with government.

Posted by: sock drawer open | August 29, 2008 2:25 PM

People are "fed up with government" only until they have some crisis or a need that goes unfulfilled. THEN suddenly they want governmental help.

Have fun, everybody. Be back later.

ET,

Are you still out there, or did you go home? You'll have to refresh my failing memory, did I say No, or did I say Know? Please enlighten me.

Posted by: FryDaddy | August 29, 2008 2:10 PM

Yes, you said "and I no"... but I was being a bit snarky at the moment.

That's the rub, Dog. McCain liked to point out Obama's lack of experience. He probably can't do that now. Obama will have to criticize Palin carefully, so he doesn't fall into a trap. You know how people portrayed Hillary's treament as sexist. Obama can't criticize her lack of as experience either, without people reminding of how that has been used against him. I do think Obama and McCain each chose their VPs to serve a purpose for their campaign.

Republicans only need to hold on to Ohio.
Palin could do the trick. The 24% of women who are anti-choice must all live there.

SoetorObama/Ayers Cover-up
======================
David Axelrod Talking Regularly with Bill Ayers?

"I now have two sources confirming that Barack Obama’s Communications Director, David Axelrod has been communicating regularly with unrepentant terrorist and former member of the Weathermen, Bill Ayers, about how to respond to stories trying to report on Obama’s longstanding relationship with Ayers.

A source with direct access to the Obama campaign reports that it is David Axelrod who is fielding these calls. It is astonishing that the Obama team thought they could contain this information. But they will fail. Their fear about Ayers has little to do with his past as a bomber of U.S. Government facilities and more to do with the mismanagement of more than 100 million dollars that was spent by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). "

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/breaking-news-david-axelrod-talking-regularly-with-bill-ayers/

Reminder Bill Mahar returns to HBO tonight

If he isn't still too totally besotted with BHO, he should be able to get off some good jokes about all the candidates.

Palin's anti-corruption brand will turn off the Organized Crime wing of the republican party, resulting in a significant loss in contributions, and possibly a much smaller harvest of absentee ballots.

1. There is nothing WRONG with Palin.

Posted by: xrepublican | August 29, 2008 3:21 PM

Well my biggest beef is her fundamentalist, conservative Christian beliefs. I have had many unpleasant encounters with such people and they talk about "love" but their hearts are full of hate for anyone who does not fit into their perfect, "traditional values" role model of wife, husband 2.5 kids and a dog that craps on the lawn.

Jesus protect me from your fundamentalist followers...

Poor Bry Bry stuck with his Pawlenty talking points

Dog, that just shows that woman doesn't know much about Downs Syndrome. I mean, my sister's 2 oldest children have it. It was never a choice whether to have them or not. However, she did have a baby 11 years ago who was born with a severe inoperable heart defect. She had to make a choice of whether to keep the baby alive and on life support, or to take him off of life support.

I think there is a typo in the last post - the CD.

Obama was told that he needed someone to cover his so-called weaknesses. He listened. Biden does that. I guess it depends on the reasons behind why McCain picked Palin.

ET

In case you had any doubts:

http://www.metroweekly.com/gauge/last_word/2008/08/gay-republicans-support-nomine.html

John Edwards to emerge from seclusion for speech

By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer

Friday, August 29, 2008

(08-29) 13:39 PDT Raleigh, N.C. (AP) --

John Edwards will emerge from seclusion and speak next month at Hofstra University in New York, taking the stage exactly one month after admitting to an extramarital affair.

But his wife Elizabeth has canceled what was to be a joint appearance.

"We are so proud to be Americans today. So proud of John McCain for making this choice. So proud of Sarah Palin for having the guts to face the sexism and misogyny we know SoetorObama is going to fling at her — just as he did to Hillary Clinton.

ONLY THIS TIME, the candidate who will be attacked by SoetorObama in such vulgar terms will actually have a political party behind her who will FIGHT BACK and not allow David Axelrod and his own special Frankenstein to get away with that garbage again."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/hooray-for-sarah-palin/

The Republicans are energized by the McCain selection.

For all of you who bring up Dan Quayle -he won.

All the whack job Republicans who were luke warm about McCain are over the moon with this pick.

Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are happy campers aboard the straight talk express now.

EuroTom,

I have had unpleasant experiences, too. Mostly not, but a few turned on my flame. In my experience, JWs are polite, perhaps because they are fundamental fatalists.

With the rude sort, I have been replying lately, "If Judaism is good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for you."

For those who interrupt me with cant about Man seperated from God by the Fall, and Jesus being the only 'way' back, I praise their knowledge of the doctrine Augustine, the Catholic Bishop, invented in the 5th Century . The pitchman is usually Assemblies, Pentacostal, or SBC, and making "good and knowledgeable Catholics" out of them usually puts them to flight. Most of them know less about Jesus and the world he lived in than the Buddhists do, and are offended at the description of Jesus as an actual historical & political Jew living in a Jewish world, and agitating against Rome and Romans.

The Republicans are energized by the McCain selection.

For all of you who bring up Dan Quayle -he won.

Posted by: sock drawer open | August 29, 2008 5:09 PM

The Repugs are probably "energized" because there is at least 1 person on the ticket that does not look like someone who needs an eveready battery plugged into the backside just to keep it moving.

good night to all. it's 11:15 here now and I got to go to work at 6:30 tomorrow morning. Keep it real gang ! xoxoxoxo

Halprin at Time has the most even analysis of the Palin pick.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837514,00.html

Palin won quick confirmation from the fiscal conservative wing of the party in the form of Club For Growth president Pat Toomey. "At a time when many Republicans are still clinging to pork-barrel politics, Governor Palin has quickly become a leader on this issue," said Toomey. "She is a principled reformer who understands how badly wasteful spending has marred the Republican brand."

The Republicans had been divided the pro-life wing wanting one candidate, the fiscal conservatives another. Palin unites the party.

How many millions were disgusted at the Joseph Goebbels and Leni Riefenstahl event?

by

Gotta love Jack Cafferty and the rest of the oinkers who set out to destroy Hillary Clinton now invoking her name in an attempt to destroy yet another woman. Calling a state governor a "nobody." ROFL.

Most Democratic HRC supporters wwon't be ,moved by McCain's choice, but certain among indies and Republicans will. Plus the evangelical appeal, which he lacked. The choice is a helluva lot better than a lot of those putzes he had to choose from.

I was prepared to hate her but upon hearing her and learning about her "story" I found myself liking her. McCain really did need to shake it up and he did. I have to laugh how he pushed Obama off the news.
Also it was actually somewhat refreshing seeing a somewhat normal event after all the soaring events of the last week. Is it possible to have Obama fatigue?

Corey,

Re: your 4:02 pm post

As a displaced Michigander who has an adult daughter who has Down Syndrome I'm interested in hearing more about your sister and her children ...are they in MI where there are educational programs far better than those I've seen in NC? Hope so!

What is her impression of McCain's choice of Sarah Palin? Does her having children with Down Syndrome have any influence in how she feels about her as a candidate for VP? I know there is a great feeling of community among parents whose children have this syndrome and am curious as to whether this will influence any of them in their vote.

I for one have been so disappointed in the actions of the DNC ,the media, and the Obama Campaign related to their treatment of women and of Hillary and Bill Clinton that as a lifelong independant voter who has always voted for the Democratic Presidential Candidate I currently find that I cannot support Obama-Biden. I was considering not voting for the top of the ticket or voting for McCain as a protest vote to assist him in winning NC with hopes that Hillary could run in 2012 if McCain wins.

Now I have to seriously consider whether or not the Palin family sharing a life experience I have is a realistic reason to consider supporting the Republican ticket.(among all the other reasons I have to consider) I know how dramatically my daughter has altered our family's perspective on every aspect of our lives and I'd have to say it has been positive for us, though difficult at times.

I watched the event wondering if her son would be on stage with her and when I saw that he was it brought tears of joy to my eyes. Thirty years ago our family experienced so much negative reaction from the general public - the stares, the mothers pulling their children away when they were looking at my daughter, etc., etc. - that to see their family receive such a warm welcome reminded me how far we've come in our understanding of and compassion for people who happen to have different capacities couched in a label. We still have a long journey ahead and I can't help but think that with Sarah Palin's advocacy as VP we as a people could advance our understanding further and she could insure there wouldn't be cuts in programs for americans with disabilities.

Look forward to hearing from you about your sister and her family! Always enjoy your posts!

Sorry about the long post!

John McCain with this choice has made a complete mockery of the presidential election process.

I think we should go back to the pre-running-mate days, back when the person who came in second for president got to be the veep.

What a joke this is. Honest to God, I'm sure she's a perfectly fine woman and living the feminist ideals, as sock puppy said up higher. But there are tens of millions of other women who meet those criteria. What else does she bring?

I'm praying -- absolutely praying -- for a Kimba Wood/Zoey Baird style blowup.

Kate...

Unfortunately the Down Syndrome angle is just being treated cynically, as another political chit. I heard several pundits today describe it as another "feature" in her favor. How sickening.

The Hitler, Goebbels and Leni Riefenstahl reference fits.

Believe this makes five.

John McCain with this choice has made a complete mockery of the presidential election process.

Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | August 29, 2008 6:05 PM

As if the Democrats haven't made a mockery of the process by nominating a guy who hasn't even served a full term in the Senate as their presidential candidate. Had Obama selected Palin as his VP choice, I'm sure you'd call it "bold change towards a brighter and more equitable future" or something stupid like that.

For like the 80th time, Jamie, I'm not a Republican; never have been. I was actually a registered Democrat until a few weeks ago and after I had participated here long enough to realize what ideological company I was keeping. I'm registered "Independent" now, fyi, so mleh.

"Palin's anti-corruption brand will turn off the Organized Crime wing of the republican party, resulting in a significant loss in contributions, and possibly a much smaller harvest of absentee ballots."

xrepub -- you may have hit it on the head.

Brainless---------------------------

Perfected your goose-step?

(six)

Re reponse from the last thread:

“For while Sen. McCain was turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, I stood up and opposed this war, knowing that it would distract us from the real threats that we face.

FYI to BHO, sir you were sworn into office January 4, 2005. Exactly what national security intelligence were you privilege to while in the Illinois state Senate, for you to make such a profound conclusion?“

FryDaddy,

While what you say makes “some” sense, it is not all that accurate. Because, you see, I heard Jay Rockefeller speak this year. In case you did not know, Jay is Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence. He said even though Obama was not in the US Senate at the time and was still in the IL Senate, he asked to see a copy of the "Iraq War Resolution", because he was skeptical about such a document at the time and felt that Bush wanted nothing more than a document to allow him to go to war. I’m sure you have heard other candidates say that “although I voted for the resolution I did not believe Bush would actually go to war”. They also said they had not read the entire resolution. Obama did read the entire resolution and he knew Bush would go to war because the Iraq War Resolution plainly gave him that authority. I also made that same statement five minutes after Bush was “appointed” president in 2000. I have people who can attest to it, and 9/11 had not even happened yet! Everyone knew Bush wanted to try to “exonerate” Daddy.

Champ...

Re your 6:14 post.

You propose a false hypothetical based on an invalid comparison.

For better or worse, Obama actually went through the process by which voters select candidates. Palin did not. She is simply having her name drawn from a hat by McCain, for purposes having nothing to do with her actual qualifications for the job.

So if Obama becomes president and screws up, we have no one to blame but ourselves. If Palin becomes president, we can blame one person: John McCain.

And you're right: The words you wrote about "a bold change towards a brighter and more equitable future" are really stupid. I would never have said anything that dumb.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/08/29/DI2008082902052.html

An interview with a reporter who covers Palin

I didn't hear Obama's speech last night. But in discussing the specifics of it with a friend who did about how it clarified Barack's position on a number of the current issues, my friend couldn't recall. Perhaps someone here can help. Based on last night's speech, Is Barack Obama For or Against:
Affirmative Action?
Abortion?
Gun Control?
Wealth Re-Distribution?
Off-Shore Drilling?
Bombing in Pakistan without their knowledge or Approval?
For Georgia, Against Russia?
Owning Multiple Homes or Properties?
Appointing Un-Quaified People to Positions?
What issues was he definitely for or against besides McCain & Bush?

"But there are tens of millions of other women who meet those criteria. "

In the Republican party? Bailey Hutchinson? Dole? Yuk.

As I said, I won't be voting for that ticket, but aside from the Jesus-factor, I think Palin is a tough and accomplished woman. I've followed her since she was elected. She's got as much experience as Obama and no ties to the Chicago mob or corporate thugs.

You say dumb stuff all the time LL, but I won't hold it against you.

You can construct any scenario you'd like within which paradigm you'll always be right; have fun with that.

Champ: If you were half as smart as you pretend to be you'd be twice as smart as you sometimes manage to be, once in a blue moon.

Please don't hold that against me either. ;)

Nope, that's accurate; I'll give you that much.

"I've followed her since she was elected...."

Very funny, Patsi. But that's sort of like saying you remember brushing your teeth this morning -- because that's about how long it's been since she took office. Unless you count her years as mayor of Elk Testicles, Alaska.

I think some should actually see parts of the “interview” about Palin and comments from Gregg Erickson, who has covered Alaskan legislature since 1991.

“Palin, like about 60 percent of Alaska voters, favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Her environmental credentials are, at best, mixed. She favors what we in Alaska call "predator control," including, if necessary, the hunting of wolves from the air.

Just recently her Dept. of Fish and Game pulled some wolf cubs from their den and shot them as part of a program to improve moose survival. She also opposes the listing of the polar bear as an endangered species.

It will be interesting to see what happens when she confronts the national media regarding her positions on Roe v. Wade, airborne wolf hunting, etc.”

I hate people who hate animals. Why couldn’t they have moved the wolf cubs?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/08/29/DI2008082902052.html

Hey now
Shrub proved anyone can be elected president --twice.
We are Americans and we care more about having a beer with someone then their ability to perform in office.

Palin - is snow mobile driving, moose hunting, good ole gal...
Someone said --she was probably Cindy McCain's pick..

Have a bud girls!

I hate people who hate animals. Why couldn’t they have moved the wolf cubs?

Posted by: Karolenna | August 29, 2008 6:54 PM

Because they are attempting to REDUCE the population, retard.

EXPERIENCE:

Palin = governor of Alaska for two years and a former part-time mayor of Wasilla, AK Pop. 5,470; heartbeat away from presidency, and animal murderer.

Obama = Six years in the Illinois Senate, four years in the US Senate (when he becomes president), plus law professor, community organizer, president Harvard Law Review.

It's been stated in various ways here already, but it bears repeating:

As Craig has said over and over again, the choice of a running mate is unfortunately the only "presidential-level" decision voters ever get to see a candidate make before pulling the lever.

Obama made a great choice.

McCain made a daffy choice.

Who would have thought Obama could have ever hoped for a better day than Thursday? But McCain made today an even better day for the Democrat nominee.

From a purely political standpoint, I couldn't be more thrilled.

"That hillaryclintonformum.com site is still closed to lurkers, and last time I was there I saw at least 400 comments, probably many more, 99% whooping and cheering Palin, promising to donate, volunteer, and vote Republican for the first time in their lives. There were several comments about Rice and Powell, excoriating the Dems for hypocricy for ever having accused Republicans of being racists and sexists, professing the realization that it's the Dems that are the real bigots, etc., etc. Truly a sight to see."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/hillary_supporters_and_sarah_p.html

Oh, goodnight, you silly, partisan, baby-killing straw-graspers.

The media is in love with Sarah Palin. Mrs. Greenspan just said Palin a pro gay libertarian. Whatever you may think is the truth is not the media narrative.

Chuck Todd said there are three days when the vp counts and the announcement day is one and Palin knocked it out of the park.

The mysogynists are coming out of the woodwork today.

Now they have another woman to go after over the next few months. Watch them both here and the ones that will pop up on the media. It'll be disgusting.

Obots talk about everything EXCEPT their candidate.

GORDO...

Have you heard about the COLB controversy involving Palin? Apparently she attempted to destroy several copies that indicated she was born on the other side of the Bering Strait, and that she is actually a citizen of Russia.

Get on that right away, could you please?

KGC...

I wonder if one of the "three days" that Chuck Todd is talking about includes the day the dottering old president dies in office?

I suspect not.

The pro Obama media is based around the likely hood McCain will die sooner rather than later. McCain is going to start campaigning with his Mom.

I don't think any real Clinton supporters are insulted by Palin's pick what a pile of caca that.

The media is doing it's usual dreadful job. They should just get an actuarial and predict the life span of all the candidates.

McCain campaigning with his mom?

Does anyone happen to know if Dick Cheney's mom is still living?

I think I'm sensing a whole new Campbell's Soup "extra chunky" campaign coming on here.

"My Mom makes sure I eat plenty of extra chunky Vegetable Beef Soup. That way, I have plenty of energy to DESTROY THE WORLD!! Right Mom?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZNMR4nWPk

I bet she would take that contract.

LardassLiberal --------------------------

Cute.

If you knew more about SoetorObama's COLB, you might have some questions. Do you have the same knowledge level as EuroTom? That would be zero!

Champ

Okay you're not a Republican. You just do a good imitation of far right opinions while being independent.

Lardass,

That was a damn funny comment about COLB and Palin. Bravo!

GORDO

Very nice.

But, before I answer any of your questions, you have to answer the one question everyone on this blog has been asking you for so long:

What are you actually for (as opposed to against)?

WaPo article about McCain's problems with HIS father

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/29/AR2008082901419.html?nav=rss_email/components

Obama traces his drive and ambition to his father's desertion.

Do you have to have daddy issues to become President?

I am for revealing the TRUTH about SoetorObama's "hidden" past.

Gordo

Which candidate do you support?

i am coming to this party late, and have missed the conversation so far. I am not sure if this was a foolish choice or a shrewd one.

One thing it completely buried Obama's news right after the convention.

It also was not a particularly "safe"choice, which reinforces McCain's image.

It does energize the conservative base, as far as I can tell.

So, is it a plus or a minus, too early to tell, in my opinion. The next few days and week on the campaign trail will tell.

One thing, they say she is a hunter. If she really is, those skills of observing your target, learning their habits, and then using them to your advantage, could be very useful in going after Biden and Obama. Going after big game is alot different that dropping a three pointer.

'What are you actually for (as opposed to against)?'

That is a good question for all the Obama supporters.
Allegiance to a Party they believe in regardless of whatever they do? Like Hitlers followers were.

Pathfinder are you related to Deerslayer?

Glimmerglass wants to know.

Blame it on Palin dip shit. Anyone but yourself.

Pathfinder are you related to Deerslayer?

Oooooh! Name calling. There's a new idea.

Some of us think it's absolutely hilarious that Obama fans point out Sarah Palin's inexperience to be President, when we've been saying the exact same thing about their PRESIDENTIAL candidate for months!!! LOL!

Does Obama think he's god or something?
Is he now predicting that John McCain is going to die in office?!!? Sick.

The Democrats just told 18 million voters (and the world) that they put no value on the value and leadership of women.
The GOP heard that message and pulled out a leader.

Sarah Palin is a truly amazing person, and will be an inspiration in leadership for all Americans.

Thank you, Sarah Palin. I have a place to put my vote.

Thank god I am not a member of either the democratic or republican party. If I had to embrace the total package of either of these groups it would require the complete voiding of any independent thoughts.

hey Brainless

It's a copy and paste -- not my typo.

========================

Bought your brownshirts?

(seven)

Thank you Sarah Palin.
You told us something about McCain.
He's willing to reach out.

Pathfinder, that is not name calling. It goes back to early American literature: James Fenimore Cooper, Cooperstown, NY (home of the Baseball Hall of Fame ) is named afer him.

The Leatherstocking Tales is a series of novels by American writer James Fenimore Cooper, each featuring the main hero Natty Bumppo, known by European settlers as "Leatherstocking," 'The Pathfinder", and "the trapper" and by the Native Americans as "Deerslayer," "La Longue Carabine" and "Hawkeye".

Sarah Palin had the good grace to reach out to Geraldine and Hillary. 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling folks. You don't think women are going to escape with that many openings? Prepare yourselves loyal 'Democrats'.

EDvb,

Are you there? You are just a few miles away from Cooperstown, if I remember correctly.

"early American literature"

http://www.nissanusa.com/pathfinder/?dcp=ppy.epid!.&dcc=0.95621155

That's because he's a GOOFO

Pathfinder

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13155/13155-h/images/081a.png

GORDO...

So let me get this straight: You're saying Hitler was bad?

deerslayer:

http://www.ithacagun.com/images/deerslayer3feature.jpg

You're asking me Lardass?
Don't you know?

Sturge...thank God you're still here. I was starting to feel like my lunar lander had misdirected me to some other solar system.

GORDO...are you pathfinder?

How hilarious!!!!!

It did.

you mean this isnt some other solar system??

Palin is not qualified.
At least she has something in common with the community organizer.

Sturge...

This solar system has two suns. Which means extra expense for sunblock, if you're a golfer or a beach enthusiast.

"But that's sort of like saying you remember brushing your teeth this morning -- because that's about how long it's been since she took office. "

Lard -- Two years ago I thought, "Damn -- this is an interesting woman." I didn't agree with her politics, except loved that she took on some crooks. I hadn't heard of Jon Tester before he was elected to the Senate, either. But I'm a HUGE fan. And like with Palin, once I heard about him I made it a point to find out more.

She'll unite the Repub base, you watch.

I find it hypocritical to question her experience considering our candidate.

I am so sick of Hillary supporters who can't get over it.

I was a HUGE Hillary supporter, and went through all the same anger as you did. But please, please get over it.

Really.

Interesting column by Jack Bass, Strom Thurmond biographer:

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/aug/29/biden_can_bring_s_c_into_play52335/

Brainless ---------------------------------

That was from a poster at JOM -- it was a copy and paste by AT.

=======================
"A poster at JOM just posted this and I want to share it with you:" (the post)

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/hillary_supporters_and_sarah_p.html

Patsi--

My last comment wasn't directed at your last comment. They sort of crossed in the mail.

Either way, I'm just trying to move on. I watched Obama's speech last night and was proud to be a Democrat. I hope he kicks McCain's ass in November.

Hillary supporters and Sarah Polin: a first indication
Clarice Feldman
A poster at JOM just posted this and I want to share it with you:

That hillaryclintonformum.com site is still closed to lurkers, and last time I was there I saw at least 400 comments, probably many more, 99% whooping and cheering Palin, promising to donate, volunteer, and vote Republican for the first time in their lives. There were several comments about Rice and Powell, excoriating the Dems for hypocricy for ever having accused Republicans of being racists and sexists, professing the realization that it's the Dems that are the real bigots, etc., etc. Truly a sight to see.

Sturg,

Nice picture, my Ithaca Deerslayer doesn't look that good. It has nicks & dings and scratches from many seasons hunting in the the hills of Chenango County in upstate NY. Excellent deer country. Much better hunting than here in populated southern New Hampshire.

I figured that Lard -- all I'm saying is that Palin isn't such a dumb choice. I ain't sayin' I'm voting for them.

But I will stand by my belief that the attacks against her will be gender-based.

"Sarah Palin had the good grace to reach out to Geraldine and Hillary."

You mean the ones she called "whiners" a few months ago?

Sturge...

Great article on the Biden bond with Strom in Reagan's Oval Office.

I'm trying to think of the equivalent Palin story: Like, maybe the time she really put her foot down on summer mosquito control.

Yuk. Yuk. Yukon.

Sturge & LL

That extra sun must be the reason for all the extra spin.

yukon say that again.........

Patsi...you are WAY out on a very flimsy limb at this point.

Because I love you, I'll talk you back in at some point. But it'll have to wait...cuz dinner's done.

See you later.

No shout out to Liddy Dole????

..just beans and cornbread for dinner, for me----I was all set for moose stew and mooseburgers, but , well...that's repugg food and I lost my appetite.
Palin was a surprise...jeezuss..talk about Beauty & The Beast!!

That hillaryclintonformum.com site is still closed to lurkers, and last time I was there I saw at least 400 comments, probably many more, 99% whooping and cheering Palin, promising to donate, volunteer, and vote Republican for the first time in their lives.

GOOFO

Well, that answers Senator Clinton's question of Tuesday not --

They were NOT in it only for her.

If these women were in it for her policies, her experience... it was all easily transferrable to a stranger.

I don't know what their particular motivations were. But it had to begin with at least some anger, a great sense of rejection which may have transformed into a goal of rejecting all those who reject them.

Why do I feel that cycle may repeat itself once early November has passed?

shout out to liddy dole:

http://originaldo.com/Bob-and-Elizabeth-Dole.jpg

It's comforting to know sheep never change.
Just make sure you all hang around here. That way you won't have to worry about anyone disagreeing with you.

"Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister."-ktva.7/28/08

She would make Cheney proud.

http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165

"They were NOT in it only for her."

Just like the African American community are not in it only for him. Surprise!

George Washington didnt have a flag lapel pin on his slave.

--Stephen Colbert

KEITH OLBERMANN MAY QUIT msnbc OVER SECURITY FLAP

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08292008/gossip/pagesix/secret_service_due_for_keith__126549.htm

"you are WAY out on a very flimsy limb at this point."

We'll see, Lard. She's got the NRA/Jesus-factor McCain needed.

Another Troppergate?

". . firing of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan was fired two weeks ago without explanation and has said he was pressured by the governor and her staff to fire a trooper who was once married to Palin's sister.Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan was fired two weeks ago without explanation and has said he was pressured by the governor and her staff to fire a trooper who was once married to Palin's sister."

Sorry Troopergate

Rez,

There will be nothing to this. There is no way that this has not been checked out completely by the McCain campaign. We are way past the Eagleton era when reporters could still ferret out unknown information. Five will get you ten that this cop was a whack job. probably started out as a security guard at a mall and drove a Crown Vic to feed his ego.

Brainless --------------------------

I don't proofread everything that I post for typos. I'm familiar with that site, so it was seen as it should have been. The brain does that sometimes. But you wouldn't know that since you're brainless.

She's definitely hooked up with the right wing evangelical crowd and McCain wants their money.

Too bad Palin doesn't have the experience of John Edwards.

Bow, Nasty little divorce story the media loves

Have any of you seen the Capitol Steps?

Sarah Pallin= Pail of Sarin

Rez

I wouldn't jump on the ethics investigation of Palin too fast. She made a lot of enemies cleaning up some messes and doesn't seem to be directly involved in the request too fire (an aide may be taking the fall, but so far no direct fingerprints). The person fired was an ex brother in law with charges of spousal and children's abuse.

She isn't my cup of tea politically, but I'll still hold off on the ethics problems until the facts are in.

Craig on

old craig on with schuster.......

Capitol Steps

Barack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr-QLG2W-oY

McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6efBh1Cdb8

CLinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjRmHcquE0I

Did anyone hear Pat Buchanan today say something like "Johnny got himself a new girl " Too much!

Extra Thready Goodness

Rush To Judgement or How the Democrats Blew a Sure Thing

Jamie,

Shuckster's got that old shoe in his mouth and not to willing to let go.:)

Seriously folks, who the hell picks a running mate who's under investigation? Senile old men I guess.

If I say this over and over and over and over, it will be true. Please Jesus, oh I forgot I don't believe in Jesus, please God, oops, please Obama, make my fantasy come true.

washington post - good article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_the_mysterious_s.html

"BTW Julie has your husband (as described by you) the racist doing?"

They don't agree with you. Call them a name.

"So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he's out. Then there's William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He's out. Where are the others?

The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger -- a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night."

"Sarah Palin is designed to win, not govern."

Exactly, but she'd be one heartbeat from the Oval Office.

Scary.

tt

Dipsh-t you are thinking of Ruth or painter

Too bad you are incapable of shame or you would slink away and never come back

PUMAs for Palin: Clinton Democrats support McCain-Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrbhYQLrqp0

Dex, KO dispelled the rumors about him tonight.

It ain't true.

tt

Why aren't we discussing the Goebbels/Riefenstahl event? It's all about Hillary and Sarah.

(nine)

You also owe an apology to the woman you thought you were insulting. You lifted her statement out of context.

Should Obama have picked Hillary?
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2008/08/29/palin/

Angry PUMAs on the prowl in Denver
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/08/26/pumas/

TYPO ALERT

Your

The fact that there are such great differences between the politics of Palin and HRC only points to the dishonesty, inauthenticity and insincerity of the PUMA groups.

If you people wanna get rid of Palin, I'll volunteer my services. A sex scandal would do the trick. LOL!

Gustav now predicted to be a Cat 4

So....everybody hates Palin?

No, Corey, just the same people who hated Senator Clinton.

This is for all the Obamabots.

http://savagepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obamatoga400pv3.png

Back to Kate: My sister has not said much about the campaign. She is a registered Republican, but doesn't really talk about the election. I don't think she likes either candidate. She doesn't talk about McCain, but she said Obama scares her because he's gonna raise taxes. I don't think she trusts Obama. I know a lot of people who don't really care for either candidate this election. My sister has a daughter who's 20 and has Downs Syndrome. She goes to a program at Hope College in Holland called "Ready For Life". It's college for young adults with disabilities. She likes it a lot. My sister's son has Downs Syndrome as well and is 17 and going to be a junior in high school. Both he and my niece have been in normal classes all throughout school. Except for having maybe 1 class with special education children. Zeeland, MI. has a good school system for this. My niece and nephew have also been lucky enough to have teacher's aides to work with them in school. My sister fought hard to keep their school experience as close to a normal child's as possible. My sister and brothrer-in-law have friends who have kids with Downs Syndrome as well. It's been a learning experience, but a good one. How old is your child? Thanks for writing and the compliment.

Palin isn't Biden, but then again, neither is Obama.

Why is it contempt?

Gordo..with all due respect, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you use savagepolitics..

Has McCain said what his motive for picking her was?

Well, she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

Except she never was really against it.

From an election year interview...

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now–while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

Then... later:

“Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer,” said Governor Palin. “Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Governor Palin added. “Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened.”

G Man,

I'm surprised you haven't posted the video of Obama entering Mile High Stadium on his chariot.

Well, considering how you are voting for Obama anyway....why get upset? All that you're worried about could only happen if he gets elected. I thought you were prediciting a landslide in November? Is the anger coming from the fear that McCain might actually defeat Obama in November. Personally, I'd rather have Biden as president, not Obama. I believe that McCain can no longer use the inexpericenced argument against Obama. That was his best argument. He lost that today.

Oregon Democrat ------------------

DISCLAIMER
This site is NOT related in ANY WAY to Right-Wing Political Pundit MICHAEL SAVAGE and it is NOT a MEMBER of ANY Political Party or Campaign!

http://savagepolitics.com/

Inexperienced, I mean. Teach McCain a lesson if you are angry. Don't vote for him.

Palin, Crist , Jindal And Kaine
You can argue that that these three men have somewhat more experience than Sarah Palin, but not much more and in the case of Crist and Kaine, none at the national level. But nothing that say 'well, that proves they have the experience necessary.' So here's the question, if McCain had picked Crist or Jindal, or if Obama had picked Kaine, would we be hearing as much about their lack of experience as we are hearing about Sarah Palin? I think the honest answer is no, though with Kaine you may have. Why? Because the VP slot is not viewed with needing experience when the top of the ticket is perceived as having the necessary experience. John McCain is viewed as having the necessary experience.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/29/213546/711

BTW, a friend of mine is going to the RNC in Minneapolis. She works for "Shoot The Messenger" in NYC and they are going to be at the RNC for 3 days.

Two more for the Obamabots.

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bho-as-saint.jpg?w=340&h=753

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bho-toga.jpg?w=290&h=389

Once again, Andy Roddick is imploding at the US Open.

Palin

First, let me say that I am a long time Dem.

I know that many of you are die hard Obama fans. Let me give you the perspective of a conservative female Dem from the swing state of MO who supported Hillary. I had planned on either abstaining from voting this time or voting for McCain. This pick of Palin just gave me an added incentive to get to the polls. No, I do not agree with all of her view. However, the media needs to realize that women are not one issue voters. We do not only vote on the issue of abortion. Indeed, I am more interested in the economy and foreign affairs. While I am skeptical about how much McCain will lead on the economy, I believe he will keep this country safe. I cannot say the same for Obama.

So, combined with pissing me off about his treatment of Hillary with the fact that I do not believe that Obama will deliver on his promise, McCain just got my vote as well as my husband's who also supported Hillary.

McCain's gamble in a close election just paid off in my opinion.

KGC
I agree with your post 11:32 Pm. Palin will be talked over and about for some time. The one thing I keep hearing that really puzzles me - she is one hearbeat away from the presidency- At lease she is only the VP candidate. But we are being asked to accept Obama who hasn't even the administrative experience Palin has. His inexperience does not qualify him for the presidency either, imho. If he did not have Biden to take his back, he would be zilch.

julie

Julie,

Good point! During the primaries, Obama's lack of experience was one of the main problems that I had with him. In addition to the fact that he has not been in the senate for that long or has any executive experience, he has no significant accomplishments in the senate. Now, his campaign wants to criticize Palin! They should rethink that strategy because it only highlights his own lack of experience. At least in the day to day running of a state, she has made critical decisions every day. She has been in charge of the national guard and has ran the state budget. He has barely seen the senate floors because he has been running for pres since almost day one since he was elected for this position. When has he made decisions on the budget? When has he cut taxes?

You know, Bill Clinton with his X and Z candidate the other day read my mind: I would rather choose a candidate that I believe will deliver on some of what I believe in rather than one who does not have the experience or the conviction to deliver more of what I believe in.

Corey, McBush will never say that the reason he picked the beauty queen is because he thinks women are stupid and would vote for her just because she's a woman.

Nevah. She doesn't stand for anything that I value.

tt

DD,

Spare us the BS, I don't think you ever had any intention of voting for Obama or any other Democrat beside Hillary.

You deserve McCain

Nanny,

Having Obama in the presidency is what scares me. He has no accomplisments other than his speaking abilities and his popularity. When has he been in charge of a budget? When has overseen a big beaurocracy? When has he worked in a bi-partisan manner? When has he led on any bills?

At least McCain is a leader. I do not agree with him on all of the issues. However, he has produced results. So, I believe on the isssues that I agree with him on that he will work hard to accomplish them. In addition, Palin in her 2 years as governor has accomplshed all of those questions that I asked about Obama. In that respect, he has more experience than him because she has actually worked at her job everyday. Obama has been running a campaign instead of legislating full time.

Since Obama has no proven record, he is the gamble. Even though I agree with a lot of his ideas, I prefer not to gamble with my family's safety.

For all of those Dems who pushed Obama and did not reach out to Hillary supporters in a heartfelt manner, this will make an impact. With a close election, this matters. Just imagine how swing states like MO, Ohio, MI, and PA can change by more women like me voting for McCain.

The media said that Hill women would all come back to the fold. News flash: this is one among many I imagine that will not.

"McCain's pick of Palin, a woman with very little executive experience..." Obama has zero executive experience. ZERO. How is he qualified and she not??

Now this is good.

"I can hear Joe Biden now at the VP debate....

“Palin … I know Hillary … Hillary is a friend of mine … and Palin … YOU’RE NO HILLARY!!!”

~Slfriend79

tt

Mark,

Ditto! Obama's attacks on her only highlight his lack of experience. She has at least ran a state for 2 years while he has been campaigning. During the last 3 years of his senate seat, he has probably been on the floor participating 100 days or less. Palin has been working at her job making tough decisions daily for 2 years.

I cannot believe that I hear women (or anyone for that matter) support McSame/Palin because she has been a governor of Alaska for 20 months and a part-time mayor prior to that. She governs a state where the entire state population is 670,053. That’s not even half the population of some big cities, so it would seem that McSame could have picked any mayor of a large city who would have had more experience than the right-wing, gun totting, and animal slaughtering Palin.

No “free-thinking, intelligent” female would vote for McSame just because he has this woman on the ticket with him.

“But we are being asked to accept Obama who hasn't even the administrative experience Palin has.”

That doesn’t seem to be what his peers in the Senate, Republican and Democrat, think. Maybe we can paint his face white for you?

This is bullshit. Just look at the state this woman governed. 670,053 people. Absolutely stupid! She is so much like McSame. She has flipped-flopped like a fish out of water.

Mark Sommer: six years in the state senate and four years in the US senate, plus a very, very intelligent law professor, seems to me to be much more experience than this new VP choice.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08 FOR SURE

I'd rather have an inexperienced VP, than a inexperienced president.

Corey,

Thanks for your response. Your sister and her family have been fortunate to live in an area where they have had the opportunity to provide their children with such "normal" childhood experiences and education!

My daughter is 30 and was born in Grand Rapids. She was in the infant parent program at Ken-O Sha. When we left there I had to fight to receive the programs the laws required. Had the only Hearing ever won in a northern district in order to get them to provide an appropriate preschool program. I had to continue to fight for her rights throughout her school years. She is in Traverse City (where her adult siblings live) living in a supervised home with another woman her age who has Down Syndrome, has a great job at a major Motel/tourist attraction, a steady boyfriend, and we all claim that she is the happiest member of the family! The additional work was worth it to see my daughter be so happy, successful and well loved in her life.

Regardless of Sarah Palin's political belief's and how they may be at odds with mine I have great respect for her conscious decision to give her son life. I would hope that those here would at least find a way to respect her for that very personal decision that was not politically motivated but rather a family's choice. I would have as much respect for a woman who would choose to not carry such a pregnancy to term if she felt she couldn't handle it.

Hope this post gets through. Last time it took me four attempts with the captcha - which is why I'm finding it easier to lurk than to join in the conversation in a timely manner.

Karolenna,

I am insulted by your comment. I am a woman, a smart one with a PhD. I can tell you that I have thought this through.

Bottom line: Obama has very little experience. Certainly, his experience is the senate has been very limited, and he has few accomplishments.

If you want to compare the 2, Palin wins with her executive experience. By the way, Obama's state senate experience is laughable.

Finally, we are electing McCain, not Palin as the top of the ticket. Compare the experience of MCCain to Obama and there is no comparison.

So, since Palin has equal if not better experience than Obama, I would argue that Palin is better to be a heartbeat away from the presidency than Obama as the president.

Corey,

While we're at it ; how much executive/admin experience does McCain have? I don't think much. Maybe we should just put Palin in there to run the Country.

That's good to hear, Kate. My niece's major adjustment was graduating high school because it hurt her social life. Many of her friends going to college etc..She has made some friends at college, including a 24 year-old young man named Adam. They go to school together and talk on the phone all the time.

Corey

Exactly

Julie

Rez,

You miss the bigger point. People are comparing Palin to Obama's experience. In this respect, she has better suited because of the executive experience.

If you want to compare the experience of Obama to McCain, then you are correct that neither one have executive. That said, McCain has an actual record of producing results and reaching out in a bipartison manner. One cannot say that about Obama. Therefore, McCain is much more qualified.

Rez, here's the honest truth: If I end up voting for Obama, it wouldn't be because of Obama. It would be because I like Joe Biden. Biden was the candidate I like at the beginning of all of this. I'm not saying that I'm gonna vote for McCain, I just don't get why a lot of people here have taken his choice of Palin so personally.

What baring does that have to do with her ability to sit across from Putin or any world leader.

maybe you should have Gordon edit your posts for typos and misspellings

And John Edwards experience ????

Dis Dem,

I'm voting on issues and Party not some perceived notion of the lack of executive experience.

Obama presided over a half billion $, 2 year campaign and managed to win. Not some small feat.
I've lived in several 10K or less communities and I could of managed those meager affairs.

I've made my decision and if you're voting for McCain , I am sorry for you.

Which ticket would you rather vote for
on November 4th?

Osama - Bye then or McCain - McHottie (Palin)

I believe this is selfexplanatory
Enjoy the campaign!

Rez,

Please, save the your empathy for me.

Obama is your choice and that is fine. My main point on this board tonight is that Dems are overconfident. They cannot see the possible ramification of this VP pick.

In some of the polls for the last 2 elections, Dems either won or lost a state by less than one percent. This woman not only appeals to women, but she also appeals to those union workers who have not fully committed to Obama. She and her husband hold memberships with unions. Plus, she is as middle class as anyone can get. It is easy to identify with her.

Nanny,

Following your line of reasoning, if experience was what was important to you for Hillary, why choose Obama who is a novice? He has no record of accomplishing any of his ideas. How can you trust that he will follow though ?

Personally, I do not find him credible because he did not wait to run. He was so ambitious that he felt that he did not need a record of accomplishments.

Right now, I see that the people who support him are doing so because they are dazzled by his personality. That can be choreographed. For instance, look at the disparity between how he speaks in a prepared speech versus a debate. He is good when he has the text in from of him prepared by others. But how do we know he really believs in those values? When has he demonstrated them? When has he led?

How do you get the message across to McCain that he made a terrible choice for his VP pick?

Nanny
Your comment about Iraq. Bush has signed with Iraq just recently to be out by 2011.. I believe MCain will be out before then.
Obama first said a year, then said 16 months, then said well he would have to talk with the generals. He will not be out any sooner than McCain. Bank on it.

julie

I'm not taking this election as personally as others I guess. I guess I don't realize the seriousness of it all.

With respect to Iraq, I think Obama says whatever is politically expendient. I say this because if he were president, he would need to base his decisions on what is happenning at the time. Noone can know this unless you can see into a crystal ball. In fact, it is worrisome that he has pledged to bring them out in 16 months period because things can change. It is somewhat reckless to make this assertion.

For all you political junkies, the National Journal online is free during the conventions

http://www.nationaljournal.com/conventions/

Generally a balanced perspective and lots of gossip and inside poop

I cant believe that McCodger forces think Any Woman would lure HRC voters; I also can't believe there are HRC voters who would consider voting for McCoot/Palin (that's not the Monty Python guy, right? )

If you wanted HRC to win -- and I'm assuming it was because of the issues she talked about -- then even entertaining the idea of voting for McOldtimer/Palin makes no sense.

For the love of gawwwd, do what they asked and UNITE!

Nanny,

You first have to believe that your candidate will deliver before you can go with their policies. I understand your pessimism about politicians, but what why do you have any faith in Obama? How do you even know he will have the determination to stand up to foreign leaders? When has demonstrated leadership?

Ideas are not enough. I see electing Obama as selecting a resident MD to perform a surgery versus one who has 20 years experience. Yes, the resident may have some knowledge on the topic, but does he have the years of experience to react appropriatly in a crisis? Maybe, maybe not. I prefer not to gamble.

Tylenol,

You assume that all Dem women agree with the entire Dem platform. Many of them agree with different issues with each party. Obama should have chosen Hillary as VP. This is coming to bite him in the ass. His arrogance may cost him with female swing voters. Let's be real: while McCain may not siphon off a lot of Hill voters, this pick will appeal to independent women.

This is what should scare Obama people because these swing voters will determine who wins.

I just read that women voted more for Bush last time than for Kerry. When you think about that, women voters become even more important.

Even if you do not like Palin, this was a smart political move.

Tylenol
With all due respect - we do not all agree with your point of view.

Unite - we do not all agree on that either. Obama is not utimate answer for everyone. we have a right to our opinion and the right to say no to Obama.
If the Obama /dem party wanted Unity - they should never have forced him on everyone and put Hillary out to dry. If he loses the Hillary voters - it is own fault no one elses.. As well as the blue collar voters he says are clinging to their guns and religion.. Palin may look real good to those blue collar union people..
Julie

Julie,

I am with you all the way! I have been insulted by how the talk of how Dem women will come back to the fold. Dems take their females for granted. They assume that as long as Dems support abortion that we will always vote for them. I do not like my vote taken for granted.

Nanny,

My stepfather is a doctor, so I respecfully disagree.

In addition, I have a PhD, and I can tell you that the more I have been in my field, the more depth I have.

DD
I also lived Missouri until recently moved over to just mile away from Mo line in Kansas now. Johnson County . A republican state - my vote will not matter much which ever way I vote.
As the Missouri motto - you have to show us...

julie

Hi Julie,

I am with you there! Show me is our motto:) Obama has not done that.

Dog, I have heard of that group. I am not affiliated with them, although I am sure it makes you feel better to place me there because then you can rationalize my thoughts as a small minority that cannot threaten Obama's chances. However, if you believe that I am not part that group, then all of a sudden there is the possiblity that there are more like me.

Women like me usually do not have the time to blog. So, our voices are not heard that often. That does not mean that we are not out there.

I may add that it is the mean spiritedness of the Obama supporters that has also increased tensions between Hill supporters and Obama. None of you who support him make it a palatable decision to support him because you cannot argue your positions without name calling and hostility. Use reasoning, logic, and evicence.

Nanny,

This is a political move on McCain's part just like Obama's VP choice was a political stunt to make him look like he has more experience. That's just politics.

This is what I would tell Hillary:

McCain, unlike Obama, has a proven track record of getting things done. He is willing to work with Dems as demonstrated by his record in campaign financing, for instance. On the issue of foreign policy, I believe that he will project crediblity. He will not let rogu leaders walk all over him because he will place conditions on talks.

Moreover, on a personal level, McCain has shown courage, which is something lacking in many people. When he was a POW, he decided to stay. That was a choice. It is choices like these that reflect the type of person he is.

Then, I would add this: with respect to health care, please Mrs Clinton, continue your work in the senate. After all, this is where the changes will originate. If McCain is a reformer and willing to work with Dems as he has shown in the past, then maybe the will of the American people will encourage him to sign that into practice.

I can tell you this: I do not like Obama's health care policy. I would rather wait 4 years for the chance of another Dem than get a system that is flawed and that will not last long.

Finally, I would tell Hillary to hang in there and fight in 2012.

FryDaddy, if I don't respond right away to something please remember that I am between 6 to 9 hours ahead of USA time.

To me the question is this: if McCain wins and passes away before his term is over, and there was some nuclear confrontation between the US and Iran or North Korea, or Russia decided to invade Poland, do you trust Sarah Palin to stand toe-to-toe with Ahmedinejad, or Kim Jung Il, or Vladimir Putin? In your heart of hearts, would you kiss your children good night with the confidence that Sarah Palin could confront these threats to American security and interests?

If you respond that Obama is less experienced than Palin, you miss the point. Obama was elected by the Democratic Party to run as its candidate, if he is inexperienced and thus a bad candidate, then the party has failed. So be it. But Palin was selected by a candidate, not a party, a candidate that hardly knows her, a candidate whose judgment we must trust if he is president. That, to me, is the core issue. McCain's choice is so dubious as to be reckless. I, for one, pray that McCain loses because this is a horrible decision by McCain and proves to me his judgment is suspect at best.

EuroTom -----------------------

Learned anything about COLBs? You are exactly the type of person THEY want - totally clueless. If it's not in MSM, then it doesn't exist. Right? I've been researching SoetorObama for more than a year. How much do you really know about him? Only what MSM has fed to you. Try educating yourself about his "hidden" past. Are you afraid of what you might find? Yes.

Hilarious. The Democratic oinkers are back in full force while the evangelicals finally begin to rally around McCain.

And dog, I can't see any particular writing pattern in DDs posts so I disagree that she's a regular. But I'll warn her right now that if she stays she'll soon be called a racist hag and worse.

Jay
It could be said that you miss the point also.. Palin in her resume has been a mayor, a governor, head of the Alaska National guard, has foreign trade experience.
Obama has nothing. 1 year of senate. Laughable Illinois senate job. running for office the balance of the time. Yes, I would trust her experience over his nothingness any day. Yes he has Biden now to cover his back because he lacks the experience domestic and Foreign. But she would equally have people behind her to bolster her as well.
I believe she could stand up to the foreign powers. Perhaps BO could, but If he could not, you would just say the party has failed!. She is being condemned before she even has a chance . At least she is "a heatbeat away from the presidency" , but Obama would be inexperienced heartbeat itself..

Julie:

Your run down of her credentials are silly. Mayor, it was a town of 8,700 people. It was a part time job which required that she sit through city counsel meetings and cast tie breaking votes. Barely more important than being a camp counselor. She is the governor of one of the smallest states in the union, a state that's population is only 8 times larger than the audience that Obama spoke before on Thursday. Her job of running the state's national guard has required no decisions by her, she does nothing with the guard unless an emergency erupts in which case she orders their deployment.

Obama is heads and tails above her in intellect, oratory skills and knowledge. You may not be impressed with his Senatorial experience, but being a US Senator for over 2 years (not 1 as you say) is one of the most important and difficult political positions in the world to get. Secondly, what experience did John Kennedy, or Harry Truman, or Abraham Lincoln have other than legislative experience.

Also, the issue isn't experience. McCain's selection of Palin implies that she is the most qualified to be commander in chief if he were incapacitated. How? What does she know about foreign affairs? How could you possibly have faith in her ability to handle affairs with our enemies in times of crisis, I can't imagine that you even heard of her prior to this afternoon. McCain's choice demonstrates that he is either purely political, making a decision based on his relentless desire to be president regardless of whether his vice president is the best person for the job (he met only once before offering her the job), or he lacks any foresight and judgment, or he is delusional in his decision making. Whatever it is, he will never get my vote.

the most amazing thing to me is that anyone anywhere in america at this time could seriously entertain the faintest most miniscule resolve to consider in any way at all imaginable that most ludicrous possibility --- given the last eight years of gop nosediving into unbelievably oil-soaked wretchedness --- of casting a vote for a republican......
It's quite simply mind-boggling to even attempt to form a concept of that (what would you call it....... "delusional "?) construct of GOP politics for which many americans might cast their votes.

I realize that as a gop person one is duty bound to come to the aid of the party.... sifting thru the ruins, as it were, for anything of any value at all which might be salvaged......
But I mean, really..........

Hello Patsi,

I just checked in after a busy day and I have been catching up on reading the posts. It's interesting that the hardcore Obama supporters just can't get it that there are smart, accomplished, logical women like Julie and DisenchantedDem who simply will not vote for Obama.

And I agree with you. I don't think DD is a regular Trail Mixer. And I doubt she'll stick around in such hostile territory where dissenting opinions (any criticisms of Obama) are usually treated with such disdain.

Julie:

I just read a previous post of yours in which you state, "Obama did not even pay a visit to the troops because he could not take his press entourage along."

The statement is completely false. He visited troops inn Kuwait where he played basketball with them, he visited them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Legitimate debate is fine, but repeating false republican talking points is really sophomoric. Learn to argue your points with real facts, not some crap you heard on The O'Reilly Factor or where ever you get this nonsense from, otherwise your level of discourse is so low as to be laughable.

Hi sturgeone,

Just to butt in with a comment on your last post. With all due respect, I think that if Hillary and
Obama hadn't battled it out in the way they did and all the fallout that
entailed (sexism, biased media,mean-spirited anti-Clinton attacks)
that there would not be any Democrat even considering voting for a
Republican.
But, I do understand that some women like Julie and DD feel so
dissed by the DNC that they have gone over to the other side. I don't think
Julie or DD are delusional, maybe just disillusioned by the Dems.

I mean.......facing up to the fact that you, as gop and independents, twice voted bush-cheney into office would HAVE to give you some kind of question about the potential disaster which could result from your pursuing your desires where leader of the country is concerned......

Wouldnt it?

promar ....Hey, how ya doin' ovedare?

I just cant see the least validity in any reasoning which would lead to a republican vote at this point.........

sturgeone,

I understand how wretched the idea of voting Republican is to you. When I consider the horrible mess that has been left to us by Bush,I cringe.
But, this election season has been like no other and has turned lifetime Democrats against each other in a way
I never though possible. It's all quite disappointing and draining. That's why
I have empathy for Julie and DD. I feel their pain.

I meant "thought"

It's like giving somebody a job for which they are paid handsomely to take a stick and repeatedly jab you and whack you over the head with it.......then when their contract is up they ask you for another stint.......and so "what the hell, you held that stick firmly and really applied yourself to it in a dedicated manner.....Yes, we'll re-new your contract".

Nahhhhhh...........all stick, no carrot.

Hey sturg,

I just realized there's a new thread. I'll meet you over there.

just for one instance.......when a gop says he or she wants to "cut taxes" .......it's not as if it were YOUR taxes theyre talking about........it's weird the way a phrase "cut taxes" can sway someone into believing they are going to get some relief from governmental taxation.....

What if Sarah Palin's name were Sam Palin. I don't think everyone would be questioning her ability. Look at what she has done in two short years as governor compared to the previous 12 year run of a corrupt governor. As a disenfranchised Hillary supporter I find that sexism is still running rampant and sadly you don't even realize it. Sarah Palin has more real experience than Obama. She has a list of accomplishments, he has a speeches I am sure was written by Axelrod & Co..