Sneaky of you, Craig, to put this thread up midday on a Saturday! Apparently no one was expecting it, but this late riser managed to walk right into it. I'll go get the gang!
Old media dethroned
Edwards' admission signals the end of the era in which traditional media set the limits of acceptable political journalism.
August 9, 2008
"When John Edwards admitted Friday that he lied about his affair with filmmaker Rielle Hunter, a former employee of his campaign, he may have ended his public life but he certainly ratified an end to the era in which traditional media set the agenda for national political journalism." http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-newrutten9-2008aug09,0,3175773.column
Russians and Georgians are killing each other. Putin is laying claim with missles to S. Ossetia. Georgia is withdrawing it's soldiers from Iraq to bring them home for the fight.
George Bush is playing beach volleyball and women's softball in China.
Can we please have the swearing in of the new Prez immediately after the election, and do we have to have a campaign before the election? Let's schedule everything early.
McCain obviously has a strategy and so far it is obviously working. Event the most Koolaid drinking Obama supporter knows this. They usually call McCain names for it. but that is just proof it works.
I get the feeling that the Republicans aren't even in drive yet.
They're still coasting.
Craig, I think their ad is trying to get swing voters and Democrats to vote for him. They figure they already have the Republicans, no matter what they say.
Good to get a second viewing of Craig's interview. Keith was actually less long-winded than I'd thought, giving Craig a good chance to express his thoughts. His observations about McCain's lack of strategy contribute to me increasingly regarding McCain's nomination as "the accidental candidacy."
The whole McCain campaign just looks plain pathetic. You really have to be a total knee jerk Republican no matter what to vote for him. The commercials are all over the place, poorly made, and lack a theme or focus.
The candidate has to go crowd hunting to even give a speech.
Richardson just got mentioned in passing on the Veepstakes. Considering the Edwards endorsement, it makes me wonder if the Obama camp doesn't have Richardson pictures as well. He did endorse after saying that he wouldn't endorse either Obama or Clinton.
It would be funny if the only person Axlerod couldn't get out of the race via blackmail was Hillary.
I watched some of Anderson Cooper last night. One of the guests said "Thank God Edwards didn't end up being the Democratic party's candidate for President. Think of how much trouble the party would be in right now."
"It isn't a matter of "enjoyment". D women just have a better grasp of reality than R women seem to have or at least admit to having. Men behaving badly is not a wonderful thing, but it is something to be dealt with. You either resolve it or leave it"
Oh yeah that's right it was you who said that. Couldn't remember if it was you or Sheila.
Not not really Jamie, most women just stick around and accept the BS lies, the lame excuses they are being spooned feed, they tend to over look the very obvious signs of a cheating husband to avoid confrontation, or acknowledge the truth their husband has been slip sliding away with another female, a younger female, a better looking female, etc.. They become so beaten down, so demoralized, they lose whatever self confidence they ever had, by the actions of these cheating males they call husbands and fathers, they know no where else to go, they feel struck unable to move, they sink under their own weight of guilt and indecision. It is just another form of abuse wrapped up with different paper. You can try to rationalize away this all you want, try to paint it with a new color, use a new brush, the truth is these women have been abused. I personally see this stuff come across my desk everyday of the week, and 95% of the time the ending is always the same. The wife goes back to the cheat, and guess what, he cheats again because he knows nothing will happen to him, he fully understands that psychologically his wife has been reduce to that of a puddle of water. What is so typical here of most of the D females is this; because Edwards was once a leading D in their eyes, they are trying to somehow justify Edwards' bad behavior by sighting the same type of bad behavior committed by some R's. Trying to award bad behavior by sighting another's bad behavior is pretty much a self defeating task. In the end all you have to look up to is an example of bad behavior.
"They become so beaten down, so demoralized, they lose whatever self confidence they ever had, by the actions of these cheating males they call husbands and fathers, they know no where else to go, they feel struck unable to move, they sink under their own weight of guilt and indecision. It is just another form of abuse wrapped up with different paper." http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126253
Fry,
I don't think these women know they have a choice. And many of them start believe the abusive things they're told repeatedly. The alternative, in their view, is the unknown.
If women (people) would only keep in mind that they always have choices, their lives would change immediately.
Fry,
Is it possible that Elizabeth loves John more than (or as much as) herself?
She's a practical woman. She loves her children and husband. She's dying of cancer. She's not breaking up her family. He made a mistake. A big one. But I don't think he abuses her in other ways. Now that's definitely not an excuse. But it's reality.
If what you say is true, then there are a whole lot of demoralized, pathetic Republican women than there are Democratic ones. Back in my real activist days, I know there were a whole lot more cheating R's than D's. One of the standing jokes was guessing who would come out of who's rooms if the fire alarm went off in the middle of the night.
Certainly there are women who stay in marriages because they just don't know what to do with their lives if they aren't half of a pair. There are a lot more who think the marriage has value beyond sex and is worth fighting for. Heck, I've even known ones where the couple had a sort of "straying contract" that didn't disturb the marriage at all.
None of those would be my preference but whatever gets you through life.
Only meaningless to you. This story is much more than a cheating husband. There are several stories which have yet to be aired, but soon will be. 1. Campaign money and how it was used or misused. 2. Then there is this little matter of a criminal complaint flied by the National Enquirer. Oh I keep forgetting Brina that you were waving your pom-poms for Edwards back in Oct. Come on Brain gives us another Edwards cheer. Your have have to be so proud of your hero that he is once again of the front page of every newspaper.
Fry,
He doesn't think there's anything wrong with what Edwards did.
He hates women.
So why would you be concerned about a man mistreating what you already hate anyway.
I guess the best strategy is no strategy at all. But maybe you do not need one to beat Obama. He will beat himself. He flies around in "APPEASEMENT ONE" and his VP choice will fly "WITHDRAWAL TWO" Paris Hilton has a "BETTER" energy plan then Obama. If fact she knows more about the economic than OBAMA. The Gallup daily tracking has him neck and neck with McCain.
John Edwards is back in the news. "BILL" is being "BILL" Nancy Pelosi is makin Republicans in Congress look good, and last but not least Obama has to pick a VP.
CNN just advertised where all our list job hunters need to go:
Stanley, ND
Small town, farming community, that they just discovered is sitting on a billion or so barrels of oil.
Anyway, they are growing so fast that they need just about anyone able to do anything.
Pausing today to remember Jerry Garcia (August 1, 1942 - August 9, 1995). What a not-very-long strange trip it was. Maybe some music-folks here will put up a tune or two...
Is it possible that Elizabeth loves John more than (or as much as) herself?"
I, myself adore and think the world of Elizabeth Edwards. And I don't doubt for a minute her love for John, and that she will keep the family together as best she can, for as long as she can. Having said that, if Elizabeth was a healthy woman I think she and the children would be packing up and moving on with their lives minus 1 John Edwards.
I could be wrong, but there have been some dustups where the aliases were popping all over the place so he either has a twin, alter ego, or obsessive fan because it sure read as if he were cheerleading himself.
After reading this from factcheck.org, it's a good thing that McCain is no longer at Annapolis, for if he was, I think he would have been expelled for multiple honor code violations...
McCain pretty much admits to his lack of study and running around while at Annapolis. That is is no big secret. But what I haven't heard much about is BHO's accomplishments. Other than being against the war in Iraq before he was a US Senator.
My freakin lord...this page is as bad as Days of Our Lives. On that soap, you can tune in every 5 years to find Brady's at war with the Dimera's, dorks with bad mullets or feathered hair wearing atrocious suits, or aging women with bad plastic surgery wearing matronly outfits, bad jewelry and poorly stuffed bras...don't even get me started on the incestuous family connections...
That's no different than the constant pissing match going on here...
Since it's a cross gender/sexuality battle, may I suggest some sort of contest where you can do your penis envy type contests or can you just hook up already and get it out of your collective systems?
It's much more pleasant to read a GORDO post and wonder why his stuff comes from anti Obama jews than to have to read about who is a prick, who's rude, who can' or can't get laid...etc...
could it be that ms. hunter, a "filmaker" according to wapo, might have shot the infamous hair-cut ditty and then leaked it in a state of pique?... a woman scorned and all that drivel.
bear, i thoroughly agree that "It's much more pleasant to read a GORDO post and wonder why his stuff comes from anti Obama jews than to have to read about who is a prick, who's rude, who can' or can't get laid...etc..."
Dog, it was in the middle 60s this morning. Waited until most of the neighbors were awake, then did the yard. It's only in the middle 80s now--a welcome respite!
If she could get them closer to the Clinton plan I would be thrilled; our healthcare will still be third-world for tens of millions until we make universal healthcare the law.
I need some help here. On August 7th, Michelle (My Belle) Obama while being interviwed on Good Morning America, said the following about BHO.
"You know, this is the kid who was raised by a single mother who didn't have access to many resources, who, you know, has walked away his entire life from lucrative careers to work in the community."
I thought it was his grandparents who raised him? Oh whatever.
I guess maybe with all the hoopla the MSM has been heaping on BHO, one hoopla starts sounding like the last hoopla, so I may have missed this one. What lucrative careers has BHO walked away from to work in the community"? We know Michelle didn't walk away from them, but she is saying BHO did. Please enlighten me about the enlighten one's lucrative careers, can't seem to find mention of those anywhere. Of course the good people at Good Morning America, never bother to ask what lucrative careers she was referring to.
Clinton team internal memos referring to BHO as "unelectable." 130 of them willl be published online by the Atlantic Monthly this Monday. Not sure BHO will take kindly to some of these. When is BHO going to go to Hawaii?
what i dont understand is why elizabeth edwards went along with John's plan to run for president knowing of this campaign killing fact in his past....i understand that it's not such a big deal in the context of a long life of service and hard work, but the fact remains it would kill any chance for winning any election.......how could they think that this would not ever see the light of day?
He's in Hawaii now. I wouldn't worry about the memos unless someone used language worse than unelectable.. Some of the Obama memos against the Clintons were equally bad. It's just campaigning and lower level staff writing stuff.
Elizabeth Edwards a few months back, maybe even more, took exception to one of BHO's speeches on health care as coming directly off John Edwards' playbook.
Sturgeone,
how could they think that this would not ever see the light of day?'
John Edwards said it best, "In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic." He thought he was invincible.
NC clear blue skies today. Hope it is nice tonight as we are suppose to go out boating. Not mine, a friends. I gave up owning a boat after I learned it took almost the same amount of time to keep the boat looking good as it did my home. Sold boat.
Vacation? Yes Vegas. Sin City. Here we come in late September.
Stinky and I took a one day vacation on Thursday. Thought about all the places we wanted to go, got in the car and drove down to the new Cracker Barrel a couple of miles away from here. Had lunch, drove back home, and took a nap. Perfect.
If anyone is considering on purchasing a boat you should know the cost of up-keeping a boat per year use to be roughly 10% of the original cost, but that was before gas tripled. I would think today that cost is 15%.
Finally. The difference between a boat and a ship? You can put a boat on a ship, you could never, nor would you want to, put a ship on a boat.
but then, Clinton's affairs came to light before the election........and they rose over it.....so what the hell..........you just never know........of course, they were Clintons not Edwards........
As evening approaches more Obamaiacs come out. So I'll re-ask my question of 3:59 PM today.
What lucrative careers has BHO walked away from to work in the community? Michelle made this statement on August 7, 2008 while being interviewed on Good Morning America.
And when are these town hall meetings going to start?
I'll be back tomorrow to see if anyone has an answer to my question. If you do know the answer to this question you may want to post somewhere on the net as no one else knows what she, she being Michelle, is talking about. Unless she means he could have had a lucrative career if only he had applied for them. But Michelle didn't use the world ":could", she used the words, "walked away". Meaning he was offered these position, but didn't accept them.
it's my guess, Fry, that Michelle thinks it's obvious that Obama could have had a lucrative career in almost any field he might have chosen.......which is probably true, all things considered........
Thanks for those Dead-tubes, Jamie. I think the blonde girl on "Touch of Grey" at 1:55 coulda been me!! (lol)
Btw, I was held accountable for the premature death of Jerry Garcia because I wouldn't let my teenage son take off to any Grateful Dead concerts. I don't know if the band was actually touring or planning a tour during that time period, but my son was mounting a campaign to get to one. My standard delaying tactic on such requests was "Not until you're 18."
On this occasion, my son replied, "But Jerry's OLD - I have to see him NOW because he's going to DIE."
"Oh, poo," I scoffed, "He's not old, and besides he'll live forever." About two weeks later, Jerry died.
I took me little daughter to a Dead concert at Raliegh in 91.....we had to park way the hell away from the stadium in parking lot Triple Z (so to speak)......well ...pulled up next to me was a black rental continental from Philly with one young feller wearing what appeared to be a "sharkskin suit" and his sidekick in sandals, t-shirt and shorts......they cracked the trunk open revealing two big containers of NO2......nitrous oxide.......he broke out 2 packs of large balloons and soon had a line of Deadheads leading to the trunk of his car........so for $5 a baloon, he was busy for 2 days as fast as the sidekick could fill the balloons........
Occasionally, Obama has indicated that he has a weak sense of American history. He didn’t seem to know that the Cold War was not a time when the world was standing as one. He didn’t know the history of presidential summits and seems to think that FDR and Truman met with our nation’s enemies. He didn’t know how the Nuremberg Trials worked. And I’m not even talking about his mistake that Americans liberated Auschwitz.
But I think his remark when the little girl asked him why he decided to run for president and he gave this response.
“America is …, uh, is no longer, uh … what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don’t want that future for my children.”
As you watch the video, it’s clear that he formed his words carefully and was thinking about how to answer the little girl.
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.
The firm was well-known among influential Chicago liberals and leaders of the black community, and the firm's Judson H. Miner, who met with Obama to recruit him before Obama's 1991 graduation from law school, had been counsel to former Chicago Mayor Harold Washington, although the law firm often clashed with the administration of Mayor Richard M. Daley.
The 29-year-old law student made it clear in his initial interview with Miner that he was more interested in joining the firm to learn about Chicago politics than to practice law.
Chloe - you asked me about re-registering with a different name and email address. I did that once but it made no difference. I think the problem is that activating my account(?) doesn't get done. It tells me to click on a web site for activation, but that web site doesn't exist. After corresponding with six apart several times, they told me I was activated and it worked for a month or two.
So I re-registered and can't get it activated. I finally did find an acceptable web site google recognized, clicked on it, and got the "sorry this page is not available" thing.
See why I'm so frustrated? I will go try again so I can say with certainty that it doesn't work. Wait right there, ok? (HA!) Here is one of the messages I have received:
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Oh, well, I was just on several other screens and one of them might work for bethypoo. As my father used to say, this is most likely cockpit trouble (me), but there is such a gulf!
Thanks, Chloe, You're inspiring me to try again.
Anyway, I didn't see all of the oopening ceremony but what I did saw was literally breath-taking. I love Chinese history, but find the sheer size of the country un-settling, un-nerving - not bad, mind you, but .............
maybe un-imaginable.
A lot of you are writing about the Edwards' affair. I think the part that bothers
me isn't the morality question as much as the long term cover-up. Also,
what irks me is the money question. Ms. Hunter has been receiving thousands of dollars for many months from someone associated with Edwards, if not Edwards.
As I said to a wealthy friend of mine who gambled a lot of money
away in Vegas, "If you would only give even a small part of the cash you
throw away gambling to animal charities, I would respect you more."
(My friend did start donating to some animal shelters I suggested.)
It just seems that Edwards and his donors who have been financially supporting Reille Hunter in luxury could find more worthy places to put that money like maybe channel it to the poor folks that Edwards was so fond of pointing to during his run for president.
Sorry you're still having trouble with type key. You can try the following.:
To activate the typekey account: After you've filled out signup info., it takes you to the "Please activate your account page. Do not exit out of that window, but instead minimize it.
Then open another window and go login to the email address you've given them.
There you will find an activation code from them.
Copy that code, then go back to the typekey page you minimized and paste that activation code into the slot that asks for it.
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It just seems that Edwards and his donors who have been financially supporting Reille Hunter in luxury could find more worthy places to put th at money like maybe channel it to the poor folks that Edwards was so fond of pointing to during his run for president.Posted by: prof marcia | August 9, 2008 6:55
Hi marcia,
I agree with you. But I don't think they were giving her that money out of the kindness of their heart. It sounds more like hush money, maybe.
Another rhetorical question I posed to my husband last night as we were watching the extravagant but selective "history of China..."
"Doesn't Richard Nixon deserve some of the credit for this??"
And Nixon's also the one who said it's the "cover-up" that will get you. Lesson lost on John Edwards?
Patd........possible stalking horse is exactly the way I see McCain.........as to who will replace him.......that's up for grabs......but I see no way he will be the eventual nominee unless the gop just wants to lose for whatever reason, and there could be many reasons......
I haven't been commenting on the music you post here. But I have to say that you are consistently posting great music. So I've got to add one I like: Can't You See- Marshall Tucker Band
Maybe John Edwards is more decent than some folks believe. Maybe his decision to go ahead with his campaign after 2006 was an act of love. Maybe he was trying to fulfill his wife's dying wish -- to see him ensconced in the White House.
As for "using his family" to advance his chances, look at the Christmas cards you received over the last 10 years or so. How many of the senders that posed as "perfect" families for holiday photos are still together? How fooled were you by the idealized images suggested by those photos? And how many of the card senders who strayed were forced to abandon their careers because of an indiscretion?
I still believe in Senator Edwards (and Mrs. Edwards). They are far more authentic and far more able to relate to the electorate than, for instance, Mr. and Mrs. Bush (41 or 43), Mr.and Mrs. McCain or, for that matter, President and Mrs. Clinton.
It is time for the media to concentrate on all of the lies told by Mr. Bush (41 or 43) -- lies that actually have a material impact on our lives -- instead of rehashing the technically true but misleading denials issued by Senator Edwards.
Let's aim our anger/hostility/judgment at those who have truly let us down. The press should be taken to task for its misplaced priorities, its attempts to manipulate public opinion and its general laziness in terms of investigating anything of consequence.
Chloe - I'm going to wait till I see if I get any answers to questions I have left with them. It is my fault, I'm sure.
I don't mind his lying about it - who wouldn't? He took a big risk, tho, with our possible future.
IF this is the only time he's done this, I'm wondering if it isn't part of the turmoil going on in their lives. I have to think how to say what I want to.
If any of yoou watch As Time Goes By, do you remember how Lionel didn't want to share their story - he kept saying, "It's ours," and other people's problems were "theirs". That's pretty much how this strikes me. We have no idea what's been going on with them over the years. I'm sorry for all of them.
However, I never believed he hadn't messed around, long before the rumors started. Hunter doesn't seem to be very admirable.
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Last summer we helped my inlaws celebrate their 65th wedding anniversery. the Bob Wills number reminds me of all the music we found in the web.
One of my motherinlaws favorite was the Inkspots.
I can't believe how judgemental people can be. Lordy, we only get one kick at the can, folks. Our lives are a blip in time and space. We all, yes ALL, just do the best we can with what we got. We're all just stuck on this tiny ball in the sky that's circling a shinier ball. What if ya wake up tomorrow and it's all been some weird verrrry long-running movie? Who CARES what the Edwards are doing????
Jack:
my first week in boot camp was spent with a lot of time in our barracks waiting on things......there came a time when everyone had exhausted every known joke available and the only thing left which would get a laugh was plain and fancy farting......I took that to mean something, I'm just not sure what........
Last summer we helped my inlaws celebrate their 65th wedding anniversery. the Bob Wills number reminds me of all the music we found in the web.
One of my motherinlaws favorite was the Inkspots.
Posted by: whskyjack | August 9, 2008 9:20
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OH WOW! Jack ... been thinking of my Dad .. died 31 years ago at age 49, on this past Thursday ,. this weekend, have thought of nothing else ... his favorite was The Ink Spots .. can remember him playing them on the console we had .. when we was recovering from one of his 3 heart attacks, I'd come home to this music ,... beautiful ...
thanks for the nice memory ...
*Breaking* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands
"Two sources ... have independently confirmed with me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro.
It means that Barack Obama has been hiding his Indonesian identity and citizenship ... He may still have Indonesian citizenship ...
... Obama concealed it from us. He lied. He tried to wipe out his past, for fear that it would render him ineligible. He thought he was beyond being vetted, questioned, researched."
11:15 here on the west coast and such a soft and dreamy night - as I drove into the parking lot, I spied an suv with a family around it, everybody carrying something.
I stopped and asked, "Are you getting in or going out?" They all replied, "Gettin' in."
I asked, "Did you have a good time?" and evryone said, "Yes!" with smiles in their voices, kids and all.
I have memories of that kind of day - a long day with lots of stuff to cart back after being out swimming or the like. I imagine a lot of you guys do as well.
Aren't we lucky? Would that the whole world were, too.
I care. I care on the philosophical and sociological levels
I believe that many of the problems within American society are caused by men who can't keep their peckers in their pants, and by women who aren't smart enough to realize what's in their own long term interests.
I think the reason we care is because it gives us a chance to talk about how we feel about the media and tablid news; human relations, families, marriage and loyalty; infidelity and lies; psychology and motivations; morals and goals, etc. Also politicians and politics; careers and how quickly they can end; gossip and more lies; what's important and not important in life - well, so on and so on.
And it becomes even more important for who love Elizabeth (and are concerned about how this will affect her children), and worry about how long she has known about this and how it has affected her health.
Edwards is a VERY public figure. He did a VERY stupid thing. And it's going to be discussed a VERY long time. But it's NOT just about Edwards.
"What worries many Democrats is that Obama’s success in raising campaign funds directly from donors through the internet and elsewhere has in effect marginalised the independent groups who might instead have acted as surrogates in attacking McCain...
"Yet he will need to refresh himself mentally if he is to cope with jokes such as this one: Bill Maher, a popular satirist, noted that Catholic groups had forced a New York art gallery “to shut down an exhibition of a 6ft image of Jesus in chocolate. Or, as Democrats call it, Barack Obama”." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/incomingFeeds/article4493319.ece
Chloe, I feel so badly for Elizabeth. From his first go for the presidency years ago, it was clear that she was the better half of the marriage on both the personal and intellectual levels. She deserved better from the clod she married.
How about a hypothetical for those over on some other blog decrying the hue and cry over Mr. Edwards' predicament ............Just imagine, if you can, the level of up-roar on this and that other blog in particular had it been Bill Clinton caught with hush money being paid out and hiding in a bathroom......
well, it wasnt bill clinton.......it was john edwards. Inconvenient truth.
Oh, yeah, Sturg. That was a really good one. I've gotten in a couple of shouting matches with people like Nicholson's character. It's really neat the way the veins in their foreheads become super-defined.
Thanks for all the deeply wise and witty comments this morn concerning
the Edwards' affair.
I'm interested in the Edwards' story, too--not, as the media is interested, but
on so many other levels. For one, it is a cautionary tale.
I'm angry at Edwards for purely emotional reasons, too. I hate that he's
carrying on an almost juvenile, flirty affair, (see video Rielle made of him on the airplane where he bats his eyes at her and giggles) while Elizabeth is suffering with terminal cancer.
I 'm peevish about all the thousands of dollars Edwards has paid Ms. Hunter
that could have gone to one of Edward's charities or even the DNC.
Although I'm still prickly toward the Huffington Post after their treatment
of Hillary, I did see some interesting articles there about the Edward's
debacle, one is especially insightful about Ms. Hunter written by a Newsweek journalist. I'll link it.
Don't really want to link this, but the whole story will be out there soon enough anyway.
Clinton advised to portray Obama as foreign
Mark Penn, the top campaign strategist for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), advised her to portray Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as having a “limited” connection “to basic American values and culture,” according to a forthcoming article in The Atlantic magazine. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12420.html
I'm not sure where I put infidelity in the list of marriage issues. I do believe some people get to a point where it's not the issue we might think. Never a good thing, but maybe just not as important as what the rest of the relationship is about.
I honestly believe that after nine children my grandmother wished my grandfather had a girlfriend on the side so he's stay out of her bed. Her idea of birth control was to move into separate rooms.
And I often think of my parents long marriage and love affair. My dad was a great father and according to him he never even considered cheating on my mom. As he once said, "Why in hell would I take a chance on losing the most important thing in my life?"
HOWEVER -- he loved playing poker and drinking with his other cowboy pals, and nothing my mother did could keep him away from a game. (I should say that he didn't hurt the family finances, and according to his friends, he won a lot more often than he lost. They all said he was the best poker player they ever played with.)
My mother hated gambling and liquor. In her later years she'd just shake her head and say she loved him more than she hated those poker games.
(I used to kid her, that I never heard her gripe about his being a card shark when he was her partner in couples bridge!)
"Michelle’s “whitey” tape and the controversy over his birth certificate are the least of his concerns. Opponents of Obama and some proponents of McCain have acquired information that will rapidly erase any memory of the audacity and perfidy of John Edwards.
I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack.
Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him.
... you are going to meet a Barack Obama that was hidden and disguised during the Democratic primary. And when the introduction is over the Obama supporters will wish the only thing they had to worry about was a video with Michelle saying disparaging things about caucasians."
Tom,
When you have a post you're working hard on like that, it's sometimes better to type it onto notepad (or other) and copy and paste. (Don't delete the notepad, until you know it posts on Trail Mix) That way, if you lose it for some reason, you've still got it to go back and copy and paste again.
Having said all that about infidelity, I think Edwards' entire handling of this mess has been abysmal. Plus, after Bill Clinton got busted, why do these guys continue to believe they'll cruise out of these dalliances?
"he just uses whatever he can to try and stick a figurative knife into anyone who doesnt genuflect before obama (it was edwards before this).......age....gender.....geographic location......economic status.....etc......whatever he finds with which he can possibly wound someone personally with whom he disagrees."
Ha -- no wonder he rags on me all the time...I'm perfect -- an old, female hillbilly and working class!
But I promise you, he is incapable of hurting my feelings. He ain't got the juice.
Chloe -- yes -- she drove in yesterday! It's great -- she tried to take a nap after the drive, and was awakened with Faron the cat licking her nose, by way of a feline welcome to Tennessee.
I loved your marriage post and the story about your parent's marriage.
It's funny you should mention this subject because after all the coverage
of the Edwards' affair, I started thinking about my parent's marriage, too.
It was similar to your parent's relationship in many ways- a very good one lasting many years. It was my parent's only marriage and none of my parent's friends were divorced.
I came to the conclusion that relationships and marriages must have been
quite different years ago. I know people probably still had affairs, but it
seems like the average folks were more faithful and responsible in terms
of their commitments in relationships. They seemed to believe more in
the everlasting, a love that remains.
Good morning everyone!
Here's a CNN link about the Democrats and their party platform.It appears Sen.Obama's side is taking Hillary's position on Health Care,no surprise to me!
Ha! I did the same thing--I stopped watching Bill Maher during the primary and I still haven't gone back. He was so hateful to the Clintons. I not sure I'm ready to watch him again, just like I still can't tune in that sarcastic, egotist Keith Olbermann.
".he just uses whatever he can to try and stick a figurative knife into anyone who doesnt genuflect before obama (it was edwards before this).........whatever he finds with which he can possibly wound someone personally with whom he disagrees." sturgeone
Noticed that Sturge. He looks for each persons weak spots and goes in for the kill. Just wish he didn't get so much attention for it though.
I stopped watching Maher and Olberman too. I'm sure at some point I'll start watching Bill Maher again thought. Things are going to be so different after this election is over.
Patsi
Hope you and your sister have a good visit and your book together is a success.I know she's in for a lots of laughs...Have you ever been to Columbia,Tenn? My dad was born and raised there.My Grandparents too.Just curious what its like today...
Glad your sister arrived safely and was properly greeted with a Tennessee Hello.
As to marriages, it would have been nice to grow up somewhere near a happy one but being the child of two juvenile delinquents got in the way of that. :-)
Neither of my parents believed in infidelity; they just went in for serial monogamy, and I came in on the beginning of the nine marriages they managed to rack up between them.
Don’t Call Me—I May Call You
He may be reluctant to admit it, but Obama needs Bill Clinton.
"Soon after he wrapped up the Democratic nomination in June, Sen. Barack Obama invited some of Sen. Hillary Clinton's key financial supporters—"bundlers" .....speaking to me on condition of anonymity, said she pleaded with the senator to spend quality time with a wounded and therefore potentially disruptive Bill Clinton. "I told Barack, 'Have dinner. Clear the air. Win him over'." Obama didn't seem eager, but he did make a brief call a month later. The bundler pressed him to do more. "Barack told me it was hard to find the time, and I said, 'You'd better!' " Last week Obama called a second time, and the result was a deal for Clinton to speak at the convention in Denver. Still, there are no plans for them to sit down alone." http://www.newsweek.com/id/151723
Prof Marcia
Ditto on KO too.I quit watching Bill Maher after watching him since his ABC days because he like so many others just could'nt be fair.Bills panels were all weighted with Obama supporters pummeling Hillary and Bill non-stop just like CNN.I did'nt include MSNBC because its in a special class of its own! I would come away from Bills show so pissed I could'nt go to sleep.I might start again if when he returns this month it does'nt just become a total Obama lovefest.I will vote for Obama here in Florida because it will be so close and I don't want McCain.I just don't feel any Obama Love.....
No -- Tony, I haven't been to Columbia -- thought about going to Mule Days a couple of times though!
My sister and I will have a blast. She is my best friend. When she was college homecoming queen, and I was 14, the guardians of the gate didn't want to let me in to the place she was being crowned because liquor was being served and I was underage. Sis informed them that either I got in or they could find a new queen. She's a pistol.
That Newsweek article makes me physically ill. If I was Elizabeth Edwards, I would be more mad that my husband cheated with a moron than anything else.
Marriage is a job that requires full time attention. Long marriages are seldom perfect; the participants simply understand that the years-long bond that they've established is special; and, engaging in behavior that would ultimately sever that bond is unthinkable.
There is some kind of perverse joy in sharing decrepitude with someone you deeply love.
I sense that Mr Obama is a combination of shy and insecure. The basis for me saying that is the reaction he had to meeting Mrs Clinton on the floor of the Senate after some particularly testy moments. Oh, it was after the Kennedy endorsement. Mrs Clinton was chatting with Senator Kennedy. Mr Obama ignored her as if she wasn't their. Not the thing you'd expect of a 'professional'.
Chloe
Oh man that Newsweek Howard Fineman piece its very telling! Its hard for Sen.Obama to find the time to meet with the only two term mid-60's (approval rating) Dem.President since FDR.Unbelievable!!!
"With the exception of Obama, himself a first-term senator, few politicians reach the heights of prominence as fast as Edwards.
He's Icarus – he flew very close to the sun,” says Shrum, referring to the mythological character who fell to his death on melted wings. “He could have been a force in American politics for a very long time.”
“I'm not sure I had a political career for the future, anyway,” Edwards replied. “I'm not sure that politics was what I wanted to spend my life doing.
thanx chloe for the link. after reading it i still wonder re clinton team internal memos, who leaked them? and why? which side do they help rs or ds? were any written by patti solis doyle or her ally?
Chloe
So True.I wonder why? I just sent that Newsweek article to a friend and said this comes from one of the biggest pro-Obama publications of them all........
"Long marriages are seldom perfect; the participants simply understand that the years-long bond that they've established is special; and, engaging in behavior that would ultimately sever that bond is unthinkable."
Fry -- I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is. He'll cave to the interests of big business, you wait and see.
*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]
"The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.
I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in ‘81 with an Indonesian passport.
These revelations raise several troubling issues for Obama’s electability and eligibility. Foremost, there is the concerted attempt to conceal his background and dual citizenship/identity from the electorate. Secondly, there is a potential Constitutional problem with a POTUS having held dual citizenship ..."
Now I wouldn't be all that surprised if the National Enquirer hasn't already collected the necessary DNA to conclude the child's true father. It is either Edwards or it isn't Edwards. But as I said before that is only one problem, and that is a personal problem although it could end up being a very large personal problem. The much bigger problem someone will have to answer for is why was all this money and secrecy spent on moving Ms Hunter around the country under various alias. What is all that about? Apparently much of this information have been funneled to the National Enquirer by someone close to the Edwards camp, a mole so to speak, a disillusioned Edwards supporter, who knows. Whoever it was, was paid big money for this leak. Unlike the so-called legitimate MSM, the National Enquirer doesn't hide the fact that they pay their sources, and pays them well.
"I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is."
You know, and I am being serious, you may be just be right about that. If so that is a very dangerous card to play. His base is pretty much Lefty's and the 18 to 25 year old group. The Lefty's will lap up all the big government stuff, and the 18-25 years old are still under the belief that someone should pick-up caring for them where the parents left off.
"I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is."
You know, and I am being serious, you may be just be right about that. If so that is a very dangerous card to play. His base is pretty much Lefty's and the 18 to 25 year old group. The Lefty's will lap up all the big government stuff, and the 18-25 years old are still under the belief that someone should pick-up caring for them where the parents left off.
Fry,
I don't know where the original leak came from, but they've been following him around for months. The Enquirer paparazzi are merciless.
"According to the Enquirer, young Mr. Young, who is married himself, had essentially taken the fall for being the father of Rielle's daughter, knowing it was really Edwards. I haven't been following the story too closely because ... well ... it was from the National Enquirer. Now that Edwards has admitted it, he's in for a media storm of Olympic proportions ..." http://blog.reidreport.com/2008/08/enquirer-1-edwards-0.html
She does bring up the issue to which the answer remains elusive: Why do these guys think the media will not find & reveal their actions?
"Still, it's bizarre the way these pols spend millions getting their faces plastered everywhere and then think they can do something in secret. 'Yeah, I didn't think anyone would ever know about it, I didn't,' Edwards said."
It's pretty simple why Rielle won't have the test. She has been shaking Edwards down for money. If the test proves it wasn't his, then he's off the hook. There goes the money tree. I bet it really isn't his.
What I don't understand is why there is a female left in the world who doesn't know that if you get involved with a self centered, married male that you are going to end up dreary and dumped if you are lucky.
Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter.
Certainly agree with your perspective about the generally no-win situation of falling for a married guy.
Often see a similar phenomenom in divorce matters--the person who seeks the divorce more often than not has another support person waiting in the wings--the one who that person believes will provide stability & security which allows (usually) the woman to start a divorce--unfortunately more often than not-- that perceived security does not prove to be there for her in the end.
The first, "Hillary will likely not sign the document that is necessary under party rules for her name to be placed in nomination. The Obama forces aren't dumb enough to permit it..." is remarkable in suggesting that they can prohibit her from signing any damned thing she wants to sign. I would sign it out of spite based just on that type of expressed sentiment.
The second, "The best outcome for Democrats would be for a President Obama to send Bill Clinton to the Middle East next year as his special envoy. Then all will be forgiven on both sides" completely misjudges the situation.
If Mr Obama sent President Clinton on any sort of mission, he would have had to agree, before hand, that he would accept Mr Clinton's advice as to outcome. Not to do so would make Amb Wilson's Niger Nightmare seem like off-Broadway.
Friedman's next energy saving examples for Americans to employ will be of those of the people of Tonga.
Why doesn't Friedman talk to his pals Robert Kennedy Jr, and Barney Frank for acknowledging wind turbines although a great form of clean energy, but not good for the Massachusetts coastline, even if that means placing them 50 miles off shore.
"Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter."
1. pretty well financially independent. Hunter isn't.
2. young and gorgeous. Hunter isn't.
3. wife number two. Hunter never had a chance.
4. isn't going to dump the starter. A girl can dream can't she.
"Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter."
financially independent.......cindy mccain
young (at the time) and gorgeous........cindy mccain
etc......mccain is the one who dumped the starter for number two.
I see no one has discover any of those lucrative jobs BHO turned down that Michelle Obama alluded to on Good Morning America.
Why is it the MSM won't challenge the Obama's, when they make such claims? These lucrative job offerings have never been reported on by anyone, except recently by Michelle Obama, who failed to back-up her statement by providing the name(s) of these so called potential employers. Of course she was asked to do do, so why should she bother. We after all the Obama's, we talk, you listen, and you do not asking follow-up questions because we won't answer them. Quote the Obama's evermore.
Just in case there is something out there that is truly explosive against Obama that is revealed after his nomination at the Convention, are there any replacement/substitution options for the Dems other than the VP? Nothing comes to alleged mind, which puts extra pressure on the VP choice.
The party elders should vet Barack on all potential, perceivable, conceivable character and legal pitfalls. If they are still not satisfied, perhaps they should force Hillary as the VP choice. I'm still baffled by the strong objection to having her name as part of the Roll Call. The Conspiracy Theorist in me believes that the Obamans don't want to take a chance that something unseemly will be revealed in time.
You post was an example of what the banned Fritz would have called a red herring argument.
I linked a Newsweek article chronicling McCain's outright lying about Obama's positions.
I referenced the Naval Honor code with states the following:
"A Cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do.
It was with this basis that I said it's a good thing he wasn't in school because he would get expelled.
GORDO,
Since the your posts link to sites of Jews how are stridently anti Obama, and to steal from the vernacular of Whites displaced by affirmative action, they sound like "reverse Anti Semitism", I wonder if you are Jewish yourself. Please clarify why your source of information comes from these sources only.
It is around... I have only seen it once. The panels were traditionally sent to different locations... I don't know if that is still true.
It's such a sad thing... I remember seeing a baby's panel... with his blue baseball outfit and baby cap and it said "slugger"... It really broke me up.
Your rant about wind turbines off the Massachusetts coast is wrong because it's Senator Kennedy who has been the biggest road block.
It seems that the view of said towers is right in the middle of prime sailing territory and it would also impact the view and thus the property values of his Republican neighbors.
How about doing some research before spouting out some McCain like crap...at least GORDO has links to his bullshit.
I have not and will not read anything about the Edwards-es. It's none of our business how this has affected either his wife or his children. These things happen every day of every year, and people manage to work it out -- they will too. But I'll tell ya something: that bald-headed fart from the Enquirer (I was flipping channels from The Sports Network to Bravo, and there he was!) was rolling in it, like a pig in ..well, ya know. For someone to take such delight in someone else's pain is just... inhuman.
Tyle.....I can dig it.......but just imagine the glee and exultation in certain quarters had it been bill clinton instead........it'd look like arm in arm riverdance all up in here........
For all the media attention given John Edwards for fooling around with another women, I haven't heard anything from McCain.
I suppose that only right because he did the exact same thing. Screwed around on your first wife. And from some other earlier news, he's been messing around on this one too.
Bear that is such BS. here is what Bobby Kennedy said on Larry King's show when asked this very question. "It is because of the impact it may have on the fishing industry"., Nothing about being able to view the towers.
Bear you must not be to knowledgeable about what can be viewed from the waters edge, or in terms you may better understand, beach. You can only see maybe 15 to 20 miles out. If these wind turbines were place 25 miles out nobody could see them and they have little affect on the fishing industry. In fact, like old wrecks they would probably entice fish to them.
It is the same of BS. We want alternative sources, but not in my neighborhood. Kennedy would have been on better grounds had he said something like and pointed to studies have proven the winds off the cost of Massachusetts are to irregular to provide a constant source of electricity. Of course that would be a lie, but it would have sounded better.
FYI: water boundries
Seaward boundary of each original coastal State 3 geographical miles distant from its coast line.
U.S.'s territorial sea to 12 miles. In the Gulf of Mexico, Fl and TX only go out to 9 miles.
U.S.'s contiguous zone from 12 to 24 miles.
And here is a good one fore all you wind turbine fans: States' territorial claims have expanded considerably since the 18th century is 200 hundred miles offshore is the limit of a State's potential exclusive economic zone. Potential because States must claim the territory they want within this limit, and not all of them do so. In this zone the State has some exclusive rights to exploration and resources. However, other States' ships have a right of innocent passage through the EEZ
Just depend on the terrain. Off Los Angeles a you can almost make out the humps, 800 to 1200 feet, on Santa Catalina Island, and that is something like 23 miles.
there must be something newsworthy that i overlooked since that ap story on hrc at conven. was reported as an update. what was new? mo's kick off on 1st night?
Almost forgot this point. Campaign money wasn't involved as it was with John Edwards. Follow the money baby, follow the money, this puppy hasn't stopped breathing just yet.
If the US was a restaurant the sign outside would read as follows, "Eat all you want...Not all you can". Pigs of all colors, stripes and sizes lined up at the restaurant, paid no heed to the sign and ate all they could. When the pigs returned the following day they discovered the restaurant had gone out of business. A sign in the window read, "Gluttony won over common sense. The Pigs came and now you know the rest."
"Since the story broke late Saturday that Barack Obama’s real Birth Certificate, now in Republican hands, has the name Barry Soetoro and not Barack Obama, as we predicted a couple of weeks ago, I notice that many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama.
The matter is somewhat complex, so I’ve decided to try to provide a summary ..."
Oh, Fry...the pigs did indeed come...in the form of big banks, big pharma, big oil, and all the other 'bigs'...and they've bought so many of our politicians that we are now in real danger of losing what our forefathers fought for. I don't blame either party individually. Politicians of both stripes have sold us out very cheaply indeed. But we can't risk another four years under the party of big business. There MAY be at least a fighting chance of some reversal with the Dems.
For all those who were angry at us old broads for not giving in to their urging us to believe in Obama, I say,
"This Edwards business is just EXACTLY why we couldn't automatically accept him as The One."
You may not like to hear us refer to our age and experience, but I doubt that any of us oldies here was surprised at the Edwards news. We know things like this happen. They have happened all too many times in our lives. Things like this have happened in our families, in our friends' families, in our churches and schools, and to us personally. Actually, they have happened through constantly thru 5,000 damn years of history.
We know we don't need a role model, and anyway, they tend to be no better than we already are. We know we need someone who knows how to freaking WORK.
Ergo, it follows as the night the day, that we need to know that a candidate knows HOW TO WORK. We know Hillary can work cause we've seen her work, but we sure as heaven haven't seen Obama work. We've seen him give religious-like speeches that knock the socks off credulous people, but the work output has been from this surrogates.......and that has included smearing the Clinton's with the name 'racist', spreading lies and innuendos about other 'opponents',
dismissing older women, and many reports of thuggery, intimidation, and bullying at rallies and even on college kids.
We have not seen Obama work, since he hasn't spent much time at his REAL job in Congress. It comes down to 'show me the money (work)' and 'where's the
beef (work)?'
I do not for one moment believe that Obama hasn't cheated on his wife. We know he cheated on his church and many friends, and even his own grandmother. Why should M ichelle be any different?
Why should the American public be any different?
Why shoulc the Chicago public be any different? He got two able opponents bumped off the ballot - black activists like himself.
He was presented as a good family man who went to church often and was dedicated to his church and pastor. The he was shown to be not so dedicated to his church because its mission was not attractive to Americans. Then he was shown to be not as close to his pastor as he had said because that pastor espoused a mission that was not attractive to the American people. Everything he has been presented to us as being has turned out to be not true.
Prepare yourselves - he is probably not the perfect family man he has been presented as, either. The shock when it comes just might take you a step forward to being as questioning and doubtful as were are.
Since you are angry with Typekey, I can I assume you are registered there? If you are having to do captcha, you are not having the pleasure of that little blue square after your name under your post.
Is this right? That has been my dilemna, and I have shared emails with Typekey quite a few times. I have done what they suggested (correctly, I hope), but just now I noticed another site under Craig's. It sounded interesting so I opened it.
It was Poll Tracker - Public Opinion and Power. It WAS interesting so I decided to comment. It simply said to sign in to comment - not the request for email address etc, and tha damn captcha. I clicked on that and got a screen asking me to sign in or register. So I clicked on sign in, and, lo and behold, it recognized me as bethyboo!
Saints presarve us!!!! Of course, I cam back here and found I had my little blue square back and, hopefully, I won't have to do captcha!!!!!!!
As far asnot losing what you work on, I simply copy and paste everything and email it to myself. Then if it disappeares, I can copy and paste from my email.
If you are not registered with Typekey, you might want to try it. You do not have to go thru captcha with it.
It's emabarrassing to admit that in my last email to typekey, I whined, "All I want is my little blue square back!"
Tylinol -- here's the only reason to pay attention to this shit:
"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen," - John Edwards, on Bill Clinton, 1999.
"Oh, Fry...the pigs did indeed come...in the form of big banks, big pharma, big oil, and all the other 'bigs'...and they've bought so many of our politicians that we are now in real danger of losing what our forefathers fought for. I don't blame either party individually. Politicians of both stripes have sold us out very cheaply indeed. But we can't risk another four years under the party of big business. There MAY be at least a fighting chance of some reversal with the Dems"
Hear hear! But harbor -- I'm no longer sure the Dems will fight for anyone.
I'm not sure either, Patsi. Sadly. There's just too much corporate ownership of our political process. The current crop of Dems have certainly done little with their majority.
I just read Matt Taibbi's The Derangement. It's very cynical, but its cynical viewpoint comes from someone who sees the process up close day after day.
I'm also afraid we're so far down the road that there may be no saving the country anyway. The only thing I can see on the horizon right now is that there could be many living wage jobs to be created in our effort to wean ourselves from oil.
"I'm also afraid we're so far down the road that there may be no saving the country anyway. "
harbor -- I hate to sound negative, but that's where I am too. My sister said this afternoon that our problem is that we forget how young we are...that we don't relize that we are a baby country.
It's emabarrassing to admit that in my last email to typekey, I whined, "All I want is my little blue square back!"
Posted by: bethyboo | August 10, 2008 7:30 PM
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Bethy: I've been having to click on the anonymous button for the last week, since it was the only way I could get the comment box to come up ...soo I tried that with the other Blog, came back here & now am logged in, lol ... looks like Type Key needs some attending too ... somewhere a codes broken ..
Patsi & Habor: I agree .. I don't think the Dems will fight for us either .. look how they've dragged their feet with a lot of important Bills that could help the Middle Class .. Then there's all that with those 2 Border Agents ... Every time I think about it makes me so angry that those men are STILL in prison, even after they finally sent that illegal Drug smuggler to prison himself .. grrrrr ...
This is an issue that goes back years. I have spent time in the area and I know many people who are still there now.
Ted Kennedy and many other Nantucket/Vineyard rich types don't want the turbines in that area because it would mess up there sailing. I'm sure there would be disruption to some fishing but I doubt it would be much.
You seem to doubt my capacity to judge the view...on a clear day you can see for up to 30 miles in that area and for some snotty rich types, just knowing that these were out there would send a burr up their asses.
It's a NIMBY situation, pure and simple. It's the same way that McCain is pro nuclear power, yet he won't allow a drop of nuclear waste to enter the state of Arizona...why is that?
Viv - I immediately emailed Typekey to tell them what happened to me but haven't heard back yet. I don't know if the catch is with our blog site or with Typekey - something gets snagged somewhere and I think it's up to the 'geeks' to figure it out. I'm thrilled to see it worked for you. Isn't that funny?
One of the things I learned by reading The Derangement is that Tom DeLay (criminal thug that he is!) decided that the new Republican majority Congress under Bush the Younger had no need to do the people's business while the people might actually be watching. As a consequence, visitors to our once great halls of government are likely to see an endless parade of renamed federal buildings (such as post offices), with very few elected officials attending.
The real business of government...I don't think it can be called the people's business any longer...is conducted in the dead of night, so we are unlikely to be watching...or to object to the evil being done...like when Bill Frist tried to sneak the provision to provide protection from product liability for pharmaceutical companies into a bill. He did that at 2:00 AM, then tried to deny any involvement. But he's a good doctor (NOT!), and was a fine advocate for the people (NOT!). In a time when there's so little to be happy about in government, I'm at least happy that he's gone from the scene!
RELEASE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE! TRACKING OBAMA IN INDONESIA & KENYA
"Am I the only one who finds it just a tad peculiar that Obama would stop his relentless campaign for Presidency to go to .......Hawaii, home of the COLB?"
"Am I the only one who finds it just a tad peculiar that Obama would stop his relentless campaign for Presidency to go to .......Hawaii, home of the COLB?"
OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY: The SMOKING CANNON has been found!
"The following findings are too big to call it a "smoking gun," so I called the "smoking cannon" because it's going to knock down a lot of other theories surrounding the infamous image allegedly made of Barack Obama's "birth certificate." ... the image purported to be Obama's birth certificate, or rather, his "Certification of Live Birth (COLB) cannot possibly exist as anything but a manufactured image forgery."
While cooking dinner, I was thinking how bleak my outlook is on the future of this country. I do feel that our federal government is slipping away from us, away from being useful to us in any positive way at all. But the saving grace may be the states. State government seems much more responsive to the needs of the people, and much more 'honest' in the way politicians at that level relate to the people. I hope that continues. As campaigns become ever more sophisticated, we seem to lose more and more connection to those who govern us.
Patsi said:
"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen," - John Edwards, on Bill Clinton, 1999. Johnny, we hardly knew ye..... http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126610
Patsi, so glad you found that quote from '99. Looking ahead to now, how hypocritical.
I thought it was interesting your sister said that. I often think of how incredibly young this country is. If you think of it in generations, how few there actually are, is surprising. Did she elaborate on that being a problem? If so, I'd be interested in her take on it.
I have trouble seeing a quote from '99 as representative of hypocrisy for a future act. Perhaps, at the time he made that statement, Edwards had no inclination at all toward cheating. Bottom line...we'll never know..but I can't label him hypocritical on the basis of that statement.
Harbor......good point......but there has always been something nagging at me about John.....couldnt put my finger on it exactly, but there was something......and that holier than thou when the chips were up statement brings me closer to it.......he did all the right things.....told Eliz, and saved his marriage, etc....
I didnt know about that statement until I saw it on this blog, but had I known about it, whether he had had an affair or not, that statement would have been very off-putting for me........and to me his making sure it was known that Eliz was in remission is somehow weird.....mitigating.......(Do not MITIGATE! --Rumpole [john mortimer]) anyway....that statement disturbs me, much the same as Larry Craig with his "bad bad boy" performance on MTP.
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Posted by: harborwoman
| August 9, 2008 12:10 PM
Sneaky of you, Craig, to put this thread up midday on a Saturday! Apparently no one was expecting it, but this late riser managed to walk right into it. I'll go get the gang!
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 9, 2008 12:14 PM
Sounds like Edwards won't be going to Denver.
Posted by: Corey
| August 9, 2008 12:15 PM
For reference:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/edwards_affair;_ylt=AtFezpqWETAKMYucf16wF9es0NUE
Posted by: Corey
| August 9, 2008 12:16 PM
Old media dethroned
Edwards' admission signals the end of the era in which traditional media set the limits of acceptable political journalism.
August 9, 2008
"When John Edwards admitted Friday that he lied about his affair with filmmaker Rielle Hunter, a former employee of his campaign, he may have ended his public life but he certainly ratified an end to the era in which traditional media set the agenda for national political journalism."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-newrutten9-2008aug09,0,3175773.column
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:20 PM
LOL
at the two videos
Just another bunch of flip flopping democrats.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 12:20 PM
Craig,
You keep making me watch Olbermann.
Quite painful.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:23 PM
Russians and Georgians are killing each other. Putin is laying claim with missles to S. Ossetia. Georgia is withdrawing it's soldiers from Iraq to bring them home for the fight.
George Bush is playing beach volleyball and women's softball in China.
Can we please have the swearing in of the new Prez immediately after the election, and do we have to have a campaign before the election? Let's schedule everything early.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 12:26 PM
Craig
Whats the deal,
McCain obviously has a strategy and so far it is obviously working. Event the most Koolaid drinking Obama supporter knows this. They usually call McCain names for it. but that is just proof it works.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 12:27 PM
I get the feeling that the Republicans aren't even in drive yet.
They're still coasting.
Craig, I think their ad is trying to get swing voters and Democrats to vote for him. They figure they already have the Republicans, no matter what they say.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:29 PM
Jamie
Looks like the Bush russian expert, Condi Rice is not so much.
What a cluster f***
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 12:29 PM
If you are trying to keep track of what will be shown when or you want to watch replays on line, you can start here
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 12:31 PM
Good to get a second viewing of Craig's interview. Keith was actually less long-winded than I'd thought, giving Craig a good chance to express his thoughts. His observations about McCain's lack of strategy contribute to me increasingly regarding McCain's nomination as "the accidental candidacy."
Posted by: Ivy Green | August 9, 2008 12:34 PM
The whole McCain campaign just looks plain pathetic. You really have to be a total knee jerk Republican no matter what to vote for him. The commercials are all over the place, poorly made, and lack a theme or focus.
The candidate has to go crowd hunting to even give a speech.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 12:35 PM
Richardson just got mentioned in passing on the Veepstakes. Considering the Edwards endorsement, it makes me wonder if the Obama camp doesn't have Richardson pictures as well. He did endorse after saying that he wouldn't endorse either Obama or Clinton.
It would be funny if the only person Axlerod couldn't get out of the race via blackmail was Hillary.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 12:37 PM
What's depressing is that McCain's running a terrible, campaign but is still polling ok.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Daily Presidential Tracking PollThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that the race for the White House is tied—Barack Obama and John McCain each attract 44% of the vote. When "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:40 PM
I watched some of Anderson Cooper last night. One of the guests said "Thank God Edwards didn't end up being the Democratic party's candidate for President. Think of how much trouble the party would be in right now."
Posted by: Corey
| August 9, 2008 12:42 PM
Jamie.
"It isn't a matter of "enjoyment". D women just have a better grasp of reality than R women seem to have or at least admit to having. Men behaving badly is not a wonderful thing, but it is something to be dealt with. You either resolve it or leave it"
Oh yeah that's right it was you who said that. Couldn't remember if it was you or Sheila.
Not not really Jamie, most women just stick around and accept the BS lies, the lame excuses they are being spooned feed, they tend to over look the very obvious signs of a cheating husband to avoid confrontation, or acknowledge the truth their husband has been slip sliding away with another female, a younger female, a better looking female, etc.. They become so beaten down, so demoralized, they lose whatever self confidence they ever had, by the actions of these cheating males they call husbands and fathers, they know no where else to go, they feel struck unable to move, they sink under their own weight of guilt and indecision. It is just another form of abuse wrapped up with different paper. You can try to rationalize away this all you want, try to paint it with a new color, use a new brush, the truth is these women have been abused. I personally see this stuff come across my desk everyday of the week, and 95% of the time the ending is always the same. The wife goes back to the cheat, and guess what, he cheats again because he knows nothing will happen to him, he fully understands that psychologically his wife has been reduce to that of a puddle of water. What is so typical here of most of the D females is this; because Edwards was once a leading D in their eyes, they are trying to somehow justify Edwards' bad behavior by sighting the same type of bad behavior committed by some R's. Trying to award bad behavior by sighting another's bad behavior is pretty much a self defeating task. In the end all you have to look up to is an example of bad behavior.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 12:45 PM
This piece regarding John Edwards by Kirsten Powers really surprised me. She's usually so fair with everyone (although I haven't watched in a while).
HE WAS ALWAYS A FAKE
"If it looks like a phony, walks like a phony, quacks like a phony, it's a phony.
There's nothing particularly shocking about a politician cheating, and there's even less shock in learning that Edwards has been lying through his teeth about his own affair. In fact, we should assume that his detailed timeline about the affair is likely just another lie."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/he_was_always_a_fake_123661.htm
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:46 PM
Chloe,
Compare the 2 stories. Read what Edwards said or didn't say and what the Enquirer, a tabloid, reported.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5544981&page=1
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sen_john_edwards_caught_with_mistress_and_love_child_in_la_hotel/celebrity/65193
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 12:53 PM
"They become so beaten down, so demoralized, they lose whatever self confidence they ever had, by the actions of these cheating males they call husbands and fathers, they know no where else to go, they feel struck unable to move, they sink under their own weight of guilt and indecision. It is just another form of abuse wrapped up with different paper."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126253
Fry,
I don't think these women know they have a choice. And many of them start believe the abusive things they're told repeatedly. The alternative, in their view, is the unknown.
If women (people) would only keep in mind that they always have choices, their lives would change immediately.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 12:58 PM
Fry,
Is it possible that Elizabeth loves John more than (or as much as) herself?
She's a practical woman. She loves her children and husband. She's dying of cancer. She's not breaking up her family. He made a mistake. A big one. But I don't think he abuses her in other ways. Now that's definitely not an excuse. But it's reality.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 1:03 PM
Frydaddy
If what you say is true, then there are a whole lot of demoralized, pathetic Republican women than there are Democratic ones. Back in my real activist days, I know there were a whole lot more cheating R's than D's. One of the standing jokes was guessing who would come out of who's rooms if the fire alarm went off in the middle of the night.
Certainly there are women who stay in marriages because they just don't know what to do with their lives if they aren't half of a pair. There are a lot more who think the marriage has value beyond sex and is worth fighting for. Heck, I've even known ones where the couple had a sort of "straying contract" that didn't disturb the marriage at all.
None of those would be my preference but whatever gets you through life.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 1:04 PM
Only meaningless to you. This story is much more than a cheating husband. There are several stories which have yet to be aired, but soon will be. 1. Campaign money and how it was used or misused. 2. Then there is this little matter of a criminal complaint flied by the National Enquirer. Oh I keep forgetting Brina that you were waving your pom-poms for Edwards back in Oct. Come on Brain gives us another Edwards cheer. Your have have to be so proud of your hero that he is once again of the front page of every newspaper.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 1:08 PM
Fry,
He doesn't think there's anything wrong with what Edwards did.
He hates women.
So why would you be concerned about a man mistreating what you already hate anyway.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 1:11 PM
Chloe,
"She's dying of cancer"
Exactly. What affect does this type of behavior have on a person who is diagnosed with cancer. Does this strengthen or weaken the immune system?
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 1:21 PM
I guess the best strategy is no strategy at all. But maybe you do not need one to beat Obama. He will beat himself. He flies around in "APPEASEMENT ONE" and his VP choice will fly "WITHDRAWAL TWO" Paris Hilton has a "BETTER" energy plan then Obama. If fact she knows more about the economic than OBAMA. The Gallup daily tracking has him neck and neck with McCain.
John Edwards is back in the news. "BILL" is being "BILL" Nancy Pelosi is makin Republicans in Congress look good, and last but not least Obama has to pick a VP.
VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
Posted by: VJ Machiavelli
| August 9, 2008 1:21 PM
CNN just advertised where all our list job hunters need to go:
Stanley, ND
Small town, farming community, that they just discovered is sitting on a billion or so barrels of oil.
Anyway, they are growing so fast that they need just about anyone able to do anything.
http://www.stanleynd.com/
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 1:22 PM
Fry,
You're right. I can't imagine it strengthening it.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 1:23 PM
Pausing today to remember Jerry Garcia (August 1, 1942 - August 9, 1995). What a not-very-long strange trip it was. Maybe some music-folks here will put up a tune or two...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Garcia
Posted by: Ivy Green | August 9, 2008 1:25 PM
The Humor Deficit
McCain and Obama seem like funny guys, so why are their campaigns anything but?
http://nymag.com/news/imperialcity/49124/
Have a good day!
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 1:29 PM
Collateral damage in the Edwards confession
"Barack Obama and the MSM ... will suffer significant collateral damage from the Edwards fallout.
A BIG Democrat, one of Obama's peers as candidate for president, is a phony.
The archetype of the phony populist, master manipulator of suckers, gets recharged, bigtime.
Voters puzzled by Obama are much more inclined to consider the hypothesis that Obama is a big phony too."
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/collateral_damage_in_the_edwar.html
Posted by: GORDO | August 9, 2008 1:34 PM
Here you go Ivy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NEE8oURdM0&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 1:36 PM
The Dead playing Me & Bobby McGee with some incredible guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKkQoOfIpY&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 1:39 PM
Fry
You forgot espousing that all women should die via their heads blowing up the instant their youngest son reached 18.
I guess this was intended as a single generation project since all the children were to be male.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 1:44 PM
Chloe,
Is it possible that Elizabeth loves John more than (or as much as) herself?"
I, myself adore and think the world of Elizabeth Edwards. And I don't doubt for a minute her love for John, and that she will keep the family together as best she can, for as long as she can. Having said that, if Elizabeth was a healthy woman I think she and the children would be packing up and moving on with their lives minus 1 John Edwards.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 1:50 PM
Jamie,
No jamie you need a newer color. That old one has already been used and has pretty much been worn away.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 1:55 PM
What does that mean?
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 2:00 PM
Jamie,
I was going to ask you the same thing, about your previous post: Heads blowing up
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 2:04 PM
for the record,
A "fool' doesn't equal "stupid", it does mean foolish, and sometimes childlike behavior, as in 'it is my ball and I'm going home.'
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 2:10 PM
dog
I didn't write the list above. I don't save his comments. I just remembered that one item from yesterday as being particularly nauseating.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 2:13 PM
dog,
That Collins op ed is perfect.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 2:46 PM
I could be wrong, but there have been some dustups where the aliases were popping all over the place so he either has a twin, alter ego, or obsessive fan because it sure read as if he were cheerleading himself.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 2:56 PM
Craig,
I love the paintball reference...lol
After reading this from factcheck.org, it's a good thing that McCain is no longer at Annapolis, for if he was, I think he would have been expelled for multiple honor code violations...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151621/page/1
Posted by: Bear
| August 9, 2008 2:57 PM
Bear,
McCain pretty much admits to his lack of study and running around while at Annapolis. That is is no big secret. But what I haven't heard much about is BHO's accomplishments. Other than being against the war in Iraq before he was a US Senator.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 3:03 PM
My freakin lord...this page is as bad as Days of Our Lives. On that soap, you can tune in every 5 years to find Brady's at war with the Dimera's, dorks with bad mullets or feathered hair wearing atrocious suits, or aging women with bad plastic surgery wearing matronly outfits, bad jewelry and poorly stuffed bras...don't even get me started on the incestuous family connections...
That's no different than the constant pissing match going on here...
Since it's a cross gender/sexuality battle, may I suggest some sort of contest where you can do your penis envy type contests or can you just hook up already and get it out of your collective systems?
It's much more pleasant to read a GORDO post and wonder why his stuff comes from anti Obama jews than to have to read about who is a prick, who's rude, who can' or can't get laid...etc...
Posted by: Bear
| August 9, 2008 3:07 PM
"In person?"
He denies everything he ever says.
And you join him in that.
Kind of makes me happy some people don't have kids.
Posted by: Ghost | August 9, 2008 3:09 PM
More DOOL lol
Seems It is human.
Condi Rice Admits to Crush on Denzel Washington
http://www.wowowow.com/post/condoleezza-rice-iran-iraq-denzel-washington-nfl-76877
Posted by: Rezdog
| August 9, 2008 3:21 PM
Well, just finished another nap and found a new thread along with more mention of Elizabeth Edwards.
Right about now I bet she could use a quiet, gentle group hug.
Anyone want to join in?
Posted by: Flatus
| August 9, 2008 3:37 PM
could it be that ms. hunter, a "filmaker" according to wapo, might have shot the infamous hair-cut ditty and then leaked it in a state of pique?... a woman scorned and all that drivel.
bear, i thoroughly agree that "It's much more pleasant to read a GORDO post and wonder why his stuff comes from anti Obama jews than to have to read about who is a prick, who's rude, who can' or can't get laid...etc..."
Posted by: patd | August 9, 2008 3:53 PM
Dog, it was in the middle 60s this morning. Waited until most of the neighbors were awake, then did the yard. It's only in the middle 80s now--a welcome respite!
If she could get them closer to the Clinton plan I would be thrilled; our healthcare will still be third-world for tens of millions until we make universal healthcare the law.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 9, 2008 3:54 PM
A 3 hour anti-Obama talk show with host Laurie Roth and guest Pam Geller.
(Fri - Aug 8)
http://www.therothshow.com/RothArchives.aspx
Posted by: GORDO | August 9, 2008 3:58 PM
I need some help here. On August 7th, Michelle (My Belle) Obama while being interviwed on Good Morning America, said the following about BHO.
"You know, this is the kid who was raised by a single mother who didn't have access to many resources, who, you know, has walked away his entire life from lucrative careers to work in the community."
I thought it was his grandparents who raised him? Oh whatever.
I guess maybe with all the hoopla the MSM has been heaping on BHO, one hoopla starts sounding like the last hoopla, so I may have missed this one. What lucrative careers has BHO walked away from to work in the community"? We know Michelle didn't walk away from them, but she is saying BHO did. Please enlighten me about the enlighten one's lucrative careers, can't seem to find mention of those anywhere. Of course the good people at Good Morning America, never bother to ask what lucrative careers she was referring to.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 3:59 PM
Clinton team internal memos referring to BHO as "unelectable." 130 of them willl be published online by the Atlantic Monthly this Monday. Not sure BHO will take kindly to some of these. When is BHO going to go to Hawaii?
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:10 PM
what i dont understand is why elizabeth edwards went along with John's plan to run for president knowing of this campaign killing fact in his past....i understand that it's not such a big deal in the context of a long life of service and hard work, but the fact remains it would kill any chance for winning any election.......how could they think that this would not ever see the light of day?
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:20 PM
FD
He's in Hawaii now. I wouldn't worry about the memos unless someone used language worse than unelectable.. Some of the Obama memos against the Clintons were equally bad. It's just campaigning and lower level staff writing stuff.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 4:20 PM
Jamie,
Elizabeth Edwards a few months back, maybe even more, took exception to one of BHO's speeches on health care as coming directly off John Edwards' playbook.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:21 PM
Maybe they thought she would stay quiet and maybe Elizabeth thought he would never go near her again.
Which brings up the quote:
Any woman who thinks a man will change and any man who thinks a woman won't change are both doomed to disappointment.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 4:22 PM
Sturgeone,
how could they think that this would not ever see the light of day?'
John Edwards said it best, "In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic." He thought he was invincible.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:27 PM
Fry.....seems to be a fact of life with celebrity of most any type of stripe, I suppose.
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:30 PM
NC clear blue skies today. Hope it is nice tonight as we are suppose to go out boating. Not mine, a friends. I gave up owning a boat after I learned it took almost the same amount of time to keep the boat looking good as it did my home. Sold boat.
Vacation? Yes Vegas. Sin City. Here we come in late September.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:31 PM
Boat: hole in the water into which one tosses money.
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:33 PM
'Boat: hole in the water into which one tosses money.'
Yes it is, no doubt about that and it doesn't matter if the boat is small or large. The only thing that changes is the size of the hole in the water.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:36 PM
Fry
Stinky and I took a one day vacation on Thursday. Thought about all the places we wanted to go, got in the car and drove down to the new Cracker Barrel a couple of miles away from here. Had lunch, drove back home, and took a nap. Perfect.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 9, 2008 4:40 PM
Food for thought.
If anyone is considering on purchasing a boat you should know the cost of up-keeping a boat per year use to be roughly 10% of the original cost, but that was before gas tripled. I would think today that cost is 15%.
Finally. The difference between a boat and a ship? You can put a boat on a ship, you could never, nor would you want to, put a ship on a boat.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:46 PM
well.......I mean......the name IS "Cracker" Barrel, after all.........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:49 PM
ha ha ha ha .......that's a good one, sturgeone.........lol
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:50 PM
but then, Clinton's affairs came to light before the election........and they rose over it.....so what the hell..........you just never know........of course, they were Clintons not Edwards........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 4:54 PM
Flatus,
There is nothing wrong with simplicity.
The Italians are good at making the same product, but arriving at it from 2 different directions.
Beretta makes a fine hand gun has only 9 moving pieces.
Benelli also make a fine hand gun, but with over 30 moving pieces.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 4:56 PM
Craig, glad you're back in favor with KO.
MSNBC, baby!
Yes, I like Obama's calmness.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| August 9, 2008 4:59 PM
As evening approaches more Obamaiacs come out. So I'll re-ask my question of 3:59 PM today.
What lucrative careers has BHO walked away from to work in the community? Michelle made this statement on August 7, 2008 while being interviewed on Good Morning America.
And when are these town hall meetings going to start?
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 5:08 PM
I'll be back tomorrow to see if anyone has an answer to my question. If you do know the answer to this question you may want to post somewhere on the net as no one else knows what she, she being Michelle, is talking about. Unless she means he could have had a lucrative career if only he had applied for them. But Michelle didn't use the world ":could", she used the words, "walked away". Meaning he was offered these position, but didn't accept them.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 9, 2008 5:16 PM
If you love someone, set them free......if they dont come back to you, get drunk and call them back at midnight.....
post card I saw once in cracker barrel
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 5:17 PM
I like my Women on the Trashy side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj80jzTZ9Co
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 5:20 PM
Red neck mother, Jerry Jeff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQevzz3aRM
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 5:24 PM
it's my guess, Fry, that Michelle thinks it's obvious that Obama could have had a lucrative career in almost any field he might have chosen.......which is probably true, all things considered........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 5:25 PM
BTW
Dog , thankyou, I can't think of better company than 911
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 5:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NEE8oURdM0&feature=related
Thanks for those Dead-tubes, Jamie. I think the blonde girl on "Touch of Grey" at 1:55 coulda been me!! (lol)
Btw, I was held accountable for the premature death of Jerry Garcia because I wouldn't let my teenage son take off to any Grateful Dead concerts. I don't know if the band was actually touring or planning a tour during that time period, but my son was mounting a campaign to get to one. My standard delaying tactic on such requests was "Not until you're 18."
On this occasion, my son replied, "But Jerry's OLD - I have to see him NOW because he's going to DIE."
"Oh, poo," I scoffed, "He's not old, and besides he'll live forever." About two weeks later, Jerry died.
Posted by: Ivy Green | August 9, 2008 5:34 PM
I took me little daughter to a Dead concert at Raliegh in 91.....we had to park way the hell away from the stadium in parking lot Triple Z (so to speak)......well ...pulled up next to me was a black rental continental from Philly with one young feller wearing what appeared to be a "sharkskin suit" and his sidekick in sandals, t-shirt and shorts......they cracked the trunk open revealing two big containers of NO2......nitrous oxide.......he broke out 2 packs of large balloons and soon had a line of Deadheads leading to the trunk of his car........so for $5 a baloon, he was busy for 2 days as fast as the sidekick could fill the balloons........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 5:39 PM
Occasionally, Obama has indicated that he has a weak sense of American history. He didn’t seem to know that the Cold War was not a time when the world was standing as one. He didn’t know the history of presidential summits and seems to think that FDR and Truman met with our nation’s enemies. He didn’t know how the Nuremberg Trials worked. And I’m not even talking about his mistake that Americans liberated Auschwitz.
But I think his remark when the little girl asked him why he decided to run for president and he gave this response.
“America is …, uh, is no longer, uh … what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don’t want that future for my children.”
As you watch the video, it’s clear that he formed his words carefully and was thinking about how to answer the little girl.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/08/what-is-obama-talking-about/
Posted by: pita | August 9, 2008 6:01 PM
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.
The firm was well-known among influential Chicago liberals and leaders of the black community, and the firm's Judson H. Miner, who met with Obama to recruit him before Obama's 1991 graduation from law school, had been counsel to former Chicago Mayor Harold Washington, although the law firm often clashed with the administration of Mayor Richard M. Daley.
The 29-year-old law student made it clear in his initial interview with Miner that he was more interested in joining the firm to learn about Chicago politics than to practice law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama
Posted by: pita | August 9, 2008 6:16 PM
Obama's 50 lies
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Posted by: pita | August 9, 2008 6:20 PM
Chloe - you asked me about re-registering with a different name and email address. I did that once but it made no difference. I think the problem is that activating my account(?) doesn't get done. It tells me to click on a web site for activation, but that web site doesn't exist. After corresponding with six apart several times, they told me I was activated and it worked for a month or two.
So I re-registered and can't get it activated. I finally did find an acceptable web site google recognized, clicked on it, and got the "sorry this page is not available" thing.
See why I'm so frustrated? I will go try again so I can say with certainty that it doesn't work. Wait right there, ok? (HA!) Here is one of the messages I have received:
***Our apologies.
***TypeKey has encountered an error. The requested ***page could not be found or the requested action ***could not be completed. Please check the URL ***carefully and try again. If you accessed this page ***from an email, make sure you cut and pasted the ***URL accurately.
This is another suggestion from them, but there is no place to enter the activation code:
***If you prefer, you can simply enter the following ***activation code the next time you login to TypeKey ***http://www.typekey.com/.
Oh, well, I was just on several other screens and one of them might work for bethypoo. As my father used to say, this is most likely cockpit trouble (me), but there is such a gulf!
Thanks, Chloe, You're inspiring me to try again.
Anyway, I didn't see all of the oopening ceremony but what I did saw was literally breath-taking. I love Chinese history, but find the sheer size of the country un-settling, un-nerving - not bad, mind you, but .............
maybe un-imaginable.
I'm off to see if typekey has found bethhyboo.
Activation code: 0ab2afb714
Posted by: boop | August 9, 2008 6:35 PM
I don't think so.
Posted by: bethyboo | August 9, 2008 6:39 PM
Richard Dreyfus is suing his father and uncle.......there's a story on it on Huffpost........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 6:50 PM
Hi Everyone,
A lot of you are writing about the Edwards' affair. I think the part that bothers
me isn't the morality question as much as the long term cover-up. Also,
what irks me is the money question. Ms. Hunter has been receiving thousands of dollars for many months from someone associated with Edwards, if not Edwards.
As I said to a wealthy friend of mine who gambled a lot of money
away in Vegas, "If you would only give even a small part of the cash you
throw away gambling to animal charities, I would respect you more."
(My friend did start donating to some animal shelters I suggested.)
It just seems that Edwards and his donors who have been financially supporting Reille Hunter in luxury could find more worthy places to put that money like maybe channel it to the poor folks that Edwards was so fond of pointing to during his run for president.
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 9, 2008 6:55 PM
oh great......just joined Arbitron........that should be fun......
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 7:02 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126377
Hi Bethy,
Sorry you're still having trouble with type key. You can try the following.:
To activate the typekey account: After you've filled out signup info., it takes you to the "Please activate your account page. Do not exit out of that window, but instead minimize it.
Then open another window and go login to the email address you've given them.
There you will find an activation code from them.
Copy that code, then go back to the typekey page you minimized and paste that activation code into the slot that asks for it.
(don't go to the link they provide, but instead go to the original window you left open (by minimizing) and fill it in there).
Once you enter it, you will have an account.
If you have any questions, just ask. I'll check back.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 7:02 PM
It just seems that Edwards and his donors who have been financially supporting Reille Hunter in luxury could find more worthy places to put th at money like maybe channel it to the poor folks that Edwards was so fond of pointing to during his run for president.Posted by: prof marcia | August 9, 2008 6:55
Hi marcia,
I agree with you. But I don't think they were giving her that money out of the kindness of their heart. It sounds more like hush money, maybe.
Posted by: chloe
| August 9, 2008 7:14 PM
Another rhetorical question I posed to my husband last night as we were watching the extravagant but selective "history of China..."
"Doesn't Richard Nixon deserve some of the credit for this??"
And Nixon's also the one who said it's the "cover-up" that will get you. Lesson lost on John Edwards?
Posted by: Ivy Green | August 9, 2008 7:35 PM
Image the unthinkable.
In 2008 John McCain, a terribly flawed candidate, could actually defeat Barack Obama.
Wake up Democrats, before it is too late.
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 9, 2008 7:47 PM
Are you good enough for Barack Obama--take the test.
http://obamatest.com/
Posted by: Boss Tweed | August 9, 2008 7:48 PM
Tribute to Cowboy Boots: 'Charlie Dunn', Jerry Jeff Walker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fg3y_PvUxM
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 7:57 PM
re clinton team internal memos, who leaked them? and why? which side do they help rs or ds? were they written during the time of patti solis doyle?
on another topic: is j mc a stalking horse? who do you think has been picked to step in at the last minute when he pulls out?
Posted by: patd | August 9, 2008 8:01 PM
Guy Clark - Desperados Waiting For A Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFb1lGMvS3I
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 8:01 PM
Beautiful June and 2 others not so beautiful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbZduysXsOU&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:05 PM
Patd........possible stalking horse is exactly the way I see McCain.........as to who will replace him.......that's up for grabs......but I see no way he will be the eventual nominee unless the gop just wants to lose for whatever reason, and there could be many reasons......
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:08 PM
whskyjack,
I haven't been commenting on the music you post here. But I have to say that you are consistently posting great music. So I've got to add one I like: Can't You See- Marshall Tucker Band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOV5vWfSgI&feature=related
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 8:11 PM
beautiful June once time more.......
with Marty Robbins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arde9psKcYY&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:13 PM
Bret Maverick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrsDT02OcE&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZzY6KZuLUo&NR=1
Paladin
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:29 PM
Buddy Emmons - I just Destroyed The World.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFuYmuZpFiw
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 8:32 PM
don helms.......blues stay away from me......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2LAA7eunL8&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:38 PM
Maybe John Edwards is more decent than some folks believe. Maybe his decision to go ahead with his campaign after 2006 was an act of love. Maybe he was trying to fulfill his wife's dying wish -- to see him ensconced in the White House.
As for "using his family" to advance his chances, look at the Christmas cards you received over the last 10 years or so. How many of the senders that posed as "perfect" families for holiday photos are still together? How fooled were you by the idealized images suggested by those photos? And how many of the card senders who strayed were forced to abandon their careers because of an indiscretion?
I still believe in Senator Edwards (and Mrs. Edwards). They are far more authentic and far more able to relate to the electorate than, for instance, Mr. and Mrs. Bush (41 or 43), Mr.and Mrs. McCain or, for that matter, President and Mrs. Clinton.
It is time for the media to concentrate on all of the lies told by Mr. Bush (41 or 43) -- lies that actually have a material impact on our lives -- instead of rehashing the technically true but misleading denials issued by Senator Edwards.
Let's aim our anger/hostility/judgment at those who have truly let us down. The press should be taken to task for its misplaced priorities, its attempts to manipulate public opinion and its general laziness in terms of investigating anything of consequence.
Posted by: benjaminblue | August 9, 2008 8:40 PM
Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys - Take Me Back To Tulsa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrjBXrvBdiU
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 8:41 PM
Chloe - I'm going to wait till I see if I get any answers to questions I have left with them. It is my fault, I'm sure.
I don't mind his lying about it - who wouldn't? He took a big risk, tho, with our possible future.
IF this is the only time he's done this, I'm wondering if it isn't part of the turmoil going on in their lives. I have to think how to say what I want to.
If any of yoou watch As Time Goes By, do you remember how Lionel didn't want to share their story - he kept saying, "It's ours," and other people's problems were "theirs". That's pretty much how this strikes me. We have no idea what's been going on with them over the years. I'm sorry for all of them.
However, I never believed he hadn't messed around, long before the rumors started. Hunter doesn't seem to be very admirable.
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Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 8:52 PM
tribute to bob by mick and the lads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xECNrYxRUA
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 8:54 PM
Tulsa Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cpzdFqnbj4
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 9:02 PM
Sturge,
Hate to say it. but I like Waylon's version better.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 9:03 PM
Country & Western Night on the Trail Mix....
POCO - Hoe Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtGRp-6J98k
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 9:05 PM
You want Waylon. You Get Waylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKV7vt1kHnk&feature=related
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 9:11 PM
Jamie,
And that is about as good as it gets. Period.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 9, 2008 9:15 PM
bowman......i agree......but it's like an elephant's singing......it's not about how good it is, but about the fact that he's singing.......
lol
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:19 PM
Last summer we helped my inlaws celebrate their 65th wedding anniversery. the Bob Wills number reminds me of all the music we found in the web.
One of my motherinlaws favorite was the Inkspots.
The Inkspots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6wjVYkkFo
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:20 PM
I can't believe how judgemental people can be. Lordy, we only get one kick at the can, folks. Our lives are a blip in time and space. We all, yes ALL, just do the best we can with what we got. We're all just stuck on this tiny ball in the sky that's circling a shinier ball. What if ya wake up tomorrow and it's all been some weird verrrry long-running movie? Who CARES what the Edwards are doing????
Posted by: tylenol
| August 9, 2008 9:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhYy26-kV1g
mo waylon live
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:23 PM
Tylenol
Us monkeys got to be entertained.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:24 PM
monkey entertaining self:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmnt0FAGKGE
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:29 PM
our daily, Hee Haw.
Carter Family - My Dixie Darlin' - Hee Haw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J4HcjV7KII
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:29 PM
Sturge
LOL, Have fart jokes been around on this earth longer than humans have?
Looks like we have a lot in common with chimps.
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:34 PM
Good music tonight folks just catching up thanks
jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:35 PM
Stoneman Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsRgZRjJfts
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:37 PM
Original Carter Family - My Dixie Darling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq3AiyahYk4
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:39 PM
Jack:
my first week in boot camp was spent with a lot of time in our barracks waiting on things......there came a time when everyone had exhausted every known joke available and the only thing left which would get a laugh was plain and fancy farting......I took that to mean something, I'm just not sure what........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V25iA2XPzuA&feature=related
McKinley Morganfield, the muddy one.........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 9:46 PM
farting.. such a guy thing! and why oh WHY do you (all!) always look so damned SURPRISED when it happens????
Posted by: tylenol
| August 9, 2008 9:50 PM
whoa..just noticed.. that great PBS sherlock holmes series with Jeremy Brett is rerunning! Have a nice night everyone!
Posted by: tylenol
| August 9, 2008 9:57 PM
Last one for the night from me
Sturge
I'll leave you at the controls.
Howlin' Wolf - Wang Dang Doodle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoUb5ULcjY
Jack
Posted by: whskyjack
| August 9, 2008 9:59 PM
"Country Man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM58A13_bXE
Posted by: Corey
| August 9, 2008 10:04 PM
There is a time for many words, and there is also a time for sleep.
Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
Sleep, that knits the ravelled sleeve of care.....
---Shake.....
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 10:13 PM
Lend me your Corn.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNRoeMvzMVo
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 10:20 PM
cry havoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD8N-RCjV7A&feature=related
Posted by: sturgeone | August 9, 2008 10:32 PM
Obama Is a Mack Daddy - Pastor Manning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0&feature=related
Posted by: GORDO | August 9, 2008 10:33 PM
sometimes being an ass can be entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gleDhAQcYJ0
Posted by: Jamie
| August 9, 2008 11:18 PM
sleep, perchance to dream (also Shake.)
Posted by: tylenol
| August 9, 2008 11:28 PM
Last summer we helped my inlaws celebrate their 65th wedding anniversery. the Bob Wills number reminds me of all the music we found in the web.
One of my motherinlaws favorite was the Inkspots.
The Inkspots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6wjVYkkFo
Posted by: whskyjack | August 9, 2008 9:20
=======================
OH WOW! Jack ... been thinking of my Dad .. died 31 years ago at age 49, on this past Thursday ,. this weekend, have thought of nothing else ... his favorite was The Ink Spots .. can remember him playing them on the console we had .. when we was recovering from one of his 3 heart attacks, I'd come home to this music ,... beautiful ...
thanks for the nice memory ...
Vivian
Posted by: viv | August 9, 2008 11:52 PM
Tylenol...
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126419
Posts like this are why I think you're such a fabulous human being! Talk about having your priorities straight!
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 12:11 AM
I am not dead ....
I am not a liar ......
We are tougher , than we ever dreamed, my friends.
I what you all to listen to Daylan.
Isis
I used to bring the song.
You have to go get it.
Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 10, 2008 12:29 AM
As for tonight's topic, I got John McCain's balls in my pocket.
Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 10, 2008 12:40 AM
Well I'll be damned ... they didn't taken it down :
I came in from the east
With the sun in my eyes
I cursed her one time ,
And I rode on ahead.
She said where you been ?
I said no place special.
She you different
I said well I guess
She said you been gone
I said that's only natural.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZWz-9x68uM
Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 10, 2008 1:35 AM
*Breaking* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands
"Two sources ... have independently confirmed with me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.
The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro.
It means that Barack Obama has been hiding his Indonesian identity and citizenship ... He may still have Indonesian citizenship ...
... Obama concealed it from us. He lied. He tried to wipe out his past, for fear that it would render him ineligible. He thought he was beyond being vetted, questioned, researched."
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 1:55 AM
I have great sympathy for Barack Obama Supporters. He is obviously an empty suit.
Wake up Democrats...
Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 10, 2008 2:10 AM
11:15 here on the west coast and such a soft and dreamy night - as I drove into the parking lot, I spied an suv with a family around it, everybody carrying something.
I stopped and asked, "Are you getting in or going out?" They all replied, "Gettin' in."
I asked, "Did you have a good time?" and evryone said, "Yes!" with smiles in their voices, kids and all.
I have memories of that kind of day - a long day with lots of stuff to cart back after being out swimming or the like. I imagine a lot of you guys do as well.
Aren't we lucky? Would that the whole world were, too.
night.
Posted by: boop | August 10, 2008 2:32 AM
China's not looking so hot, not that I ever thought it did.
ALL that pollution and now the stabbing.
Mao is spinning in his grave with all the capitalism going on there.
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| August 10, 2008 4:21 AM
Sue your relatives and play Cheney in "W".
"Dreyfuss Comments on Playing Cheney in Upcoming Film"
"... he had to speak slowly and do away with personality."
http://www.knx1070.com/Dreyfuss-Comments-on-Playing-Cheney-in-Upcoming-Fi/2756519
tt
Posted by: tiptoe
| August 10, 2008 4:25 AM
Johhny Cash and Kris Kristofferson
Sunday Morning Coming Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RLiuPRMJy8&feature=related
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 10, 2008 5:14 AM
"Who cares what the Edwards are doing?"
Unfortunately, most of the voters and the insidious media.
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 10, 2008 7:33 AM
PM
I care. I care on the philosophical and sociological levels
I believe that many of the problems within American society are caused by men who can't keep their peckers in their pants, and by women who aren't smart enough to realize what's in their own long term interests.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 8:10 AM
"Who cares what the Edwards are doing?"
I think the reason we care is because it gives us a chance to talk about how we feel about the media and tablid news; human relations, families, marriage and loyalty; infidelity and lies; psychology and motivations; morals and goals, etc. Also politicians and politics; careers and how quickly they can end; gossip and more lies; what's important and not important in life - well, so on and so on.
And it becomes even more important for who love Elizabeth (and are concerned about how this will affect her children), and worry about how long she has known about this and how it has affected her health.
Edwards is a VERY public figure. He did a VERY stupid thing. And it's going to be discussed a VERY long time. But it's NOT just about Edwards.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 8:27 AM
This ought to piss someone off this morning.
"What worries many Democrats is that Obama’s success in raising campaign funds directly from donors through the internet and elsewhere has in effect marginalised the independent groups who might instead have acted as surrogates in attacking McCain...
"Yet he will need to refresh himself mentally if he is to cope with jokes such as this one: Bill Maher, a popular satirist, noted that Catholic groups had forced a New York art gallery “to shut down an exhibition of a 6ft image of Jesus in chocolate. Or, as Democrats call it, Barack Obama”."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/incomingFeeds/article4493319.ece
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 8:43 AM
Chloe, I feel so badly for Elizabeth. From his first go for the presidency years ago, it was clear that she was the better half of the marriage on both the personal and intellectual levels. She deserved better from the clod she married.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 8:44 AM
How about a hypothetical for those over on some other blog decrying the hue and cry over Mr. Edwards' predicament ............Just imagine, if you can, the level of up-roar on this and that other blog in particular had it been Bill Clinton caught with hush money being paid out and hiding in a bathroom......
well, it wasnt bill clinton.......it was john edwards. Inconvenient truth.
so grin and bear it.
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 8:48 AM
She deserved better from the clod she married. Posted by: Flatus | August 10, 2008 8:44 AM
Flatus,
I agree. But that's the clod she wants.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 8:53 AM
"......it was john edwards. Inconvenient truth." sturgeone
Sturge,
They're interested in the truth. Could have fooled me.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 8:58 AM
speaking of that ....truth.........."You can't HANDLE the truth!" with Nicholson and Cruise is showing on TNT right now
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 9:08 AM
Oh, yeah, Sturg. That was a really good one. I've gotten in a couple of shouting matches with people like Nicholson's character. It's really neat the way the veins in their foreheads become super-defined.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 9:15 AM
Tom. you think you got problems? It's Sunday morning here in the States and Stinky wants me to get off my butt an clean the tops of the refrigerators.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 9:21 AM
Good Morning Chloe, Sturg, Flatus,
Thanks for all the deeply wise and witty comments this morn concerning
the Edwards' affair.
I'm interested in the Edwards' story, too--not, as the media is interested, but
on so many other levels. For one, it is a cautionary tale.
I'm angry at Edwards for purely emotional reasons, too. I hate that he's
carrying on an almost juvenile, flirty affair, (see video Rielle made of him on the airplane where he bats his eyes at her and giggles) while Elizabeth is suffering with terminal cancer.
I 'm peevish about all the thousands of dollars Edwards has paid Ms. Hunter
that could have gone to one of Edward's charities or even the DNC.
Although I'm still prickly toward the Huffington Post after their treatment
of Hillary, I did see some interesting articles there about the Edward's
debacle, one is especially insightful about Ms. Hunter written by a Newsweek journalist. I'll link it.
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 10, 2008 9:21 AM
Don't really want to link this, but the whole story will be out there soon enough anyway.
Clinton advised to portray Obama as foreign
Mark Penn, the top campaign strategist for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), advised her to portray Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as having a “limited” connection “to basic American values and culture,” according to a forthcoming article in The Atlantic magazine.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12420.html
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:21 AM
Hi Marcia,
I've noticed the Huntington Post has printed a wider variety of opinions lately (on occasion) too.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:25 AM
I'm not sure where I put infidelity in the list of marriage issues. I do believe some people get to a point where it's not the issue we might think. Never a good thing, but maybe just not as important as what the rest of the relationship is about.
I honestly believe that after nine children my grandmother wished my grandfather had a girlfriend on the side so he's stay out of her bed. Her idea of birth control was to move into separate rooms.
And I often think of my parents long marriage and love affair. My dad was a great father and according to him he never even considered cheating on my mom. As he once said, "Why in hell would I take a chance on losing the most important thing in my life?"
HOWEVER -- he loved playing poker and drinking with his other cowboy pals, and nothing my mother did could keep him away from a game. (I should say that he didn't hurt the family finances, and according to his friends, he won a lot more often than he lost. They all said he was the best poker player they ever played with.)
My mother hated gambling and liquor. In her later years she'd just shake her head and say she loved him more than she hated those poker games.
(I used to kid her, that I never heard her gripe about his being a card shark when he was her partner in couples bridge!)
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 9:27 AM
Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor
"Michelle’s “whitey” tape and the controversy over his birth certificate are the least of his concerns. Opponents of Obama and some proponents of McCain have acquired information that will rapidly erase any memory of the audacity and perfidy of John Edwards.
I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack.
Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him.
... you are going to meet a Barack Obama that was hidden and disguised during the Democratic primary. And when the introduction is over the Obama supporters will wish the only thing they had to worry about was a video with Michelle saying disparaging things about caucasians."
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/09/obamas-impending-pearl-harbor/
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 9:27 AM
Entertaining Newsweek article about Edwards' affair:
"W\hat Rielle Hunter told Me," by Jonathan Darman
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151783
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 10, 2008 9:28 AM
TYPEKEY FUCKING SUCKS." Posted by: EuroTom
Tom,
When you have a post you're working hard on like that, it's sometimes better to type it onto notepad (or other) and copy and paste. (Don't delete the notepad, until you know it posts on Trail Mix) That way, if you lose it for some reason, you've still got it to go back and copy and paste again.
It's not your computer! It's typekey.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Having said all that about infidelity, I think Edwards' entire handling of this mess has been abysmal. Plus, after Bill Clinton got busted, why do these guys continue to believe they'll cruise out of these dalliances?
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
or you can just right click and save BEFORE you hit enter, and it will still be saved in your mouse if you have a problem.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:31 AM
Patsi, Is your sister here?
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:33 AM
I mean there.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:33 AM
"he just uses whatever he can to try and stick a figurative knife into anyone who doesnt genuflect before obama (it was edwards before this).......age....gender.....geographic location......economic status.....etc......whatever he finds with which he can possibly wound someone personally with whom he disagrees."
Ha -- no wonder he rags on me all the time...I'm perfect -- an old, female hillbilly and working class!
But I promise you, he is incapable of hurting my feelings. He ain't got the juice.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 9:35 AM
Chloe -- yes -- she drove in yesterday! It's great -- she tried to take a nap after the drive, and was awakened with Faron the cat licking her nose, by way of a feline welcome to Tennessee.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 9:38 AM
Morning Patsi,
I loved your marriage post and the story about your parent's marriage.
It's funny you should mention this subject because after all the coverage
of the Edwards' affair, I started thinking about my parent's marriage, too.
It was similar to your parent's relationship in many ways- a very good one lasting many years. It was my parent's only marriage and none of my parent's friends were divorced.
I came to the conclusion that relationships and marriages must have been
quite different years ago. I know people probably still had affairs, but it
seems like the average folks were more faithful and responsible in terms
of their commitments in relationships. They seemed to believe more in
the everlasting, a love that remains.
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 10, 2008 9:40 AM
Good morning everyone!
Here's a CNN link about the Democrats and their party platform.It appears Sen.Obama's side is taking Hillary's position on Health Care,no surprise to me!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/democrats-debate-party-platform/
Tom
You have me laughing.Sorry about the loss of your post,oh I was'nt laughing all the times it has happened to me.
Chloe
That link with Bill Maher's joke was great. I was pissed with Bill during the primary season and I quit watching him...Thanks
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 9:46 AM
tonyb39,
Ha! I did the same thing--I stopped watching Bill Maher during the primary and I still haven't gone back. He was so hateful to the Clintons. I not sure I'm ready to watch him again, just like I still can't tune in that sarcastic, egotist Keith Olbermann.
Posted by: prof marcia
| August 10, 2008 9:50 AM
".he just uses whatever he can to try and stick a figurative knife into anyone who doesnt genuflect before obama (it was edwards before this).........whatever he finds with which he can possibly wound someone personally with whom he disagrees." sturgeone
Noticed that Sturge. He looks for each persons weak spots and goes in for the kill. Just wish he didn't get so much attention for it though.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:55 AM
I stopped watching Maher and Olberman too. I'm sure at some point I'll start watching Bill Maher again thought. Things are going to be so different after this election is over.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 9:57 AM
Patsi
Hope you and your sister have a good visit and your book together is a success.I know she's in for a lots of laughs...Have you ever been to Columbia,Tenn? My dad was born and raised there.My Grandparents too.Just curious what its like today...
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 9:57 AM
Patsi
Glad your sister arrived safely and was properly greeted with a Tennessee Hello.
As to marriages, it would have been nice to grow up somewhere near a happy one but being the child of two juvenile delinquents got in the way of that. :-)
Neither of my parents believed in infidelity; they just went in for serial monogamy, and I came in on the beginning of the nine marriages they managed to rack up between them.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 10, 2008 10:08 AM
Don’t Call Me—I May Call You
He may be reluctant to admit it, but Obama needs Bill Clinton.
"Soon after he wrapped up the Democratic nomination in June, Sen. Barack Obama invited some of Sen. Hillary Clinton's key financial supporters—"bundlers" .....speaking to me on condition of anonymity, said she pleaded with the senator to spend quality time with a wounded and therefore potentially disruptive Bill Clinton. "I told Barack, 'Have dinner. Clear the air. Win him over'." Obama didn't seem eager, but he did make a brief call a month later. The bundler pressed him to do more. "Barack told me it was hard to find the time, and I said, 'You'd better!' " Last week Obama called a second time, and the result was a deal for Clinton to speak at the convention in Denver. Still, there are no plans for them to sit down alone."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151723
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:13 AM
Jamie,
Now your childhood sounds a little more like mine.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Patsi and Jamie
Two powerful stories. Thanks, so much.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Prof Marcia
Ditto on KO too.I quit watching Bill Maher after watching him since his ABC days because he like so many others just could'nt be fair.Bills panels were all weighted with Obama supporters pummeling Hillary and Bill non-stop just like CNN.I did'nt include MSNBC because its in a special class of its own! I would come away from Bills show so pissed I could'nt go to sleep.I might start again if when he returns this month it does'nt just become a total Obama lovefest.I will vote for Obama here in Florida because it will be so close and I don't want McCain.I just don't feel any Obama Love.....
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 10:16 AM
No -- Tony, I haven't been to Columbia -- thought about going to Mule Days a couple of times though!
My sister and I will have a blast. She is my best friend. When she was college homecoming queen, and I was 14, the guardians of the gate didn't want to let me in to the place she was being crowned because liquor was being served and I was underage. Sis informed them that either I got in or they could find a new queen. She's a pistol.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 10:17 AM
That Newsweek article makes me physically ill. If I was Elizabeth Edwards, I would be more mad that my husband cheated with a moron than anything else.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 10:18 AM
PM
Marriage is a job that requires full time attention. Long marriages are seldom perfect; the participants simply understand that the years-long bond that they've established is special; and, engaging in behavior that would ultimately sever that bond is unthinkable.
There is some kind of perverse joy in sharing decrepitude with someone you deeply love.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 10:19 AM
Chloe, your Newsweek story.
I sense that Mr Obama is a combination of shy and insecure. The basis for me saying that is the reaction he had to meeting Mrs Clinton on the floor of the Senate after some particularly testy moments. Oh, it was after the Kennedy endorsement. Mrs Clinton was chatting with Senator Kennedy. Mr Obama ignored her as if she wasn't their. Not the thing you'd expect of a 'professional'.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 10:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1NZg2GJI5Y&feature=related
grow old along with me.......john lennon
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 10:31 AM
Flatus,
Yes, but add in a dash of immaturity and arrogance. And shy? Well I don't see that. Proud. Yes.
Inexperience may also account for some of his behavior.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:38 AM
Chloe
Oh man that Newsweek Howard Fineman piece its very telling! Its hard for Sen.Obama to find the time to meet with the only two term mid-60's (approval rating) Dem.President since FDR.Unbelievable!!!
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 10:46 AM
My comment was about the Fry's assertion that by being a "committed socialist" is akin to "hating America"...
I will pontificate later on this...
Ciao
Posted by: EuroTom
| August 10, 2008 10:46 AM
The rise and fall of John Edwards
"With the exception of Obama, himself a first-term senator, few politicians reach the heights of prominence as fast as Edwards.
He's Icarus – he flew very close to the sun,” says Shrum, referring to the mythological character who fell to his death on melted wings. “He could have been a force in American politics for a very long time.”
“I'm not sure I had a political career for the future, anyway,” Edwards replied. “I'm not sure that politics was what I wanted to spend my life doing.
“I don't know what's possible and what's gone. … I don't think anything's ended. I see no end. My Lord and my wife have forgiven me, so I'm going to move on.”
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/100/story/117753.html
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:53 AM
thanx chloe for the link. after reading it i still wonder re clinton team internal memos, who leaked them? and why? which side do they help rs or ds? were any written by patti solis doyle or her ally?
Posted by: patd | August 10, 2008 10:54 AM
Tony, What's so surprising is that Newsweek is suddenly becoming slightly more balanced.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:56 AM
patd, I hope all that comes out eventually too. I love a good mystery.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:57 AM
Chloe
So True.I wonder why? I just sent that Newsweek article to a friend and said this comes from one of the biggest pro-Obama publications of them all........
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 11:00 AM
"Long marriages are seldom perfect; the participants simply understand that the years-long bond that they've established is special; and, engaging in behavior that would ultimately sever that bond is unthinkable."
Wonderful way to put it, Flatus.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 11:01 AM
Hey ET, do Socialist pontificate? Is that self motivated or a government controlled action?
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 11:13 AM
Fry -- I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is. He'll cave to the interests of big business, you wait and see.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 11:17 AM
*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]
"The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.
I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in ‘81 with an Indonesian passport.
These revelations raise several troubling issues for Obama’s electability and eligibility. Foremost, there is the concerted attempt to conceal his background and dual citizenship/identity from the electorate. Secondly, there is a potential Constitutional problem with a POTUS having held dual citizenship ..."
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 11:22 AM
"I wonder why?" Posted by: tonyb39http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126507
Tony, Maybe it just got to hard for them to ignore reality.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 11:27 AM
Edwards will, but Hunter won't. Now why is that?
Now I wouldn't be all that surprised if the National Enquirer hasn't already collected the necessary DNA to conclude the child's true father. It is either Edwards or it isn't Edwards. But as I said before that is only one problem, and that is a personal problem although it could end up being a very large personal problem. The much bigger problem someone will have to answer for is why was all this money and secrecy spent on moving Ms Hunter around the country under various alias. What is all that about? Apparently much of this information have been funneled to the National Enquirer by someone close to the Edwards camp, a mole so to speak, a disillusioned Edwards supporter, who knows. Whoever it was, was paid big money for this leak. Unlike the so-called legitimate MSM, the National Enquirer doesn't hide the fact that they pay their sources, and pays them well.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 11:34 AM
Patsi,
"I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is."
You know, and I am being serious, you may be just be right about that. If so that is a very dangerous card to play. His base is pretty much Lefty's and the 18 to 25 year old group. The Lefty's will lap up all the big government stuff, and the 18-25 years old are still under the belief that someone should pick-up caring for them where the parents left off.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 11:44 AM
Patsi,
"I don't see Obama as a real lefty at all. I think he's just convinced some of his Kood Aid crowd that he is."
You know, and I am being serious, you may be just be right about that. If so that is a very dangerous card to play. His base is pretty much Lefty's and the 18 to 25 year old group. The Lefty's will lap up all the big government stuff, and the 18-25 years old are still under the belief that someone should pick-up caring for them where the parents left off.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 11:45 AM
Sorry about that was getting a disconnect error message.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 11:47 AM
Tom Friedman on Denmark's energy independence
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/opinion/10friedman1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
Posted by: Jamie
| August 10, 2008 11:50 AM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126516
Fry,
I don't know where the original leak came from, but they've been following him around for months. The Enquirer paparazzi are merciless.
"According to the Enquirer, young Mr. Young, who is married himself, had essentially taken the fall for being the father of Rielle's daughter, knowing it was really Edwards. I haven't been following the story too closely because ... well ... it was from the National Enquirer. Now that Edwards has admitted it, he's in for a media storm of Olympic proportions ..."
http://blog.reidreport.com/2008/08/enquirer-1-edwards-0.html
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 11:51 AM
And here comes MODO on John Edwards---Ouch!
"Keeping it Rielle"
She does bring up the issue to which the answer remains elusive: Why do these guys think the media will not find & reveal their actions?
"Still, it's bizarre the way these pols spend millions getting their faces plastered everywhere and then think they can do something in secret. 'Yeah, I didn't think anyone would ever know about it, I didn't,' Edwards said."
I remain convinced that it is arrogance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/opinion/10dowd.html?hp
Posted by: Coreen
| August 10, 2008 11:52 AM
It's pretty simple why Rielle won't have the test. She has been shaking Edwards down for money. If the test proves it wasn't his, then he's off the hook. There goes the money tree. I bet it really isn't his.
Posted by: Bowmanc
| August 10, 2008 11:58 AM
Coreen
What I don't understand is why there is a female left in the world who doesn't know that if you get involved with a self centered, married male that you are going to end up dreary and dumped if you are lucky.
Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 10, 2008 11:58 AM
Jamie,
Certainly agree with your perspective about the generally no-win situation of falling for a married guy.
Often see a similar phenomenom in divorce matters--the person who seeks the divorce more often than not has another support person waiting in the wings--the one who that person believes will provide stability & security which allows (usually) the woman to start a divorce--unfortunately more often than not-- that perceived security does not prove to be there for her in the end.
Posted by: Coreen
| August 10, 2008 12:06 PM
Just read Fineman's and Alter's articles.
Alter makes two remarks that are interesting.
The first, "Hillary will likely not sign the document that is necessary under party rules for her name to be placed in nomination. The Obama forces aren't dumb enough to permit it..." is remarkable in suggesting that they can prohibit her from signing any damned thing she wants to sign. I would sign it out of spite based just on that type of expressed sentiment.
The second, "The best outcome for Democrats would be for a President Obama to send Bill Clinton to the Middle East next year as his special envoy. Then all will be forgiven on both sides" completely misjudges the situation.
If Mr Obama sent President Clinton on any sort of mission, he would have had to agree, before hand, that he would accept Mr Clinton's advice as to outcome. Not to do so would make Amb Wilson's Niger Nightmare seem like off-Broadway.
Alter's article is here:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151388/output/print
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 12:07 PM
Jamie,
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
Friedman's next energy saving examples for Americans to employ will be of those of the people of Tonga.
Why doesn't Friedman talk to his pals Robert Kennedy Jr, and Barney Frank for acknowledging wind turbines although a great form of clean energy, but not good for the Massachusetts coastline, even if that means placing them 50 miles off shore.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 12:11 PM
Chloe's Newseweek article reveals the sorry state of the current Democratic party's hierachy mindset, as per this comment about Bill Clinton.
"A tentful of academics, business leaders, journos and, yes, bundlers, sat in rapt silence.
I knew what they were thinking: the guy is flawed (as are we all), but what a once-in-a-generation talent. Obama sure could use him."
When will they learn?
Posted by: Coreen
| August 10, 2008 12:13 PM
Jamie,
"Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter."
1. pretty well financially independent. Hunter isn't.
2. young and gorgeous. Hunter isn't.
3. wife number two. Hunter never had a chance.
4. isn't going to dump the starter. A girl can dream can't she.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 12:18 PM
Jamie,
"Unless you are pretty well financially independent, young and gorgeous, you are not going to be wife number two when he dumps the starter and if he is a politician he isn't going to dump the starter."
financially independent.......cindy mccain
young (at the time) and gorgeous........cindy mccain
etc......mccain is the one who dumped the starter for number two.
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 12:22 PM
FD
" A girl can dream can't she"
Sure and if you kiss enough frogs you are going to get something more than pollywogs.
Posted by: Jamie
| August 10, 2008 12:22 PM
I see no one has discover any of those lucrative jobs BHO turned down that Michelle Obama alluded to on Good Morning America.
Why is it the MSM won't challenge the Obama's, when they make such claims? These lucrative job offerings have never been reported on by anyone, except recently by Michelle Obama, who failed to back-up her statement by providing the name(s) of these so called potential employers. Of course she was asked to do do, so why should she bother. We after all the Obama's, we talk, you listen, and you do not asking follow-up questions because we won't answer them. Quote the Obama's evermore.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 12:35 PM
Is pollywogs the same as babies?.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 12:37 PM
Just in case there is something out there that is truly explosive against Obama that is revealed after his nomination at the Convention, are there any replacement/substitution options for the Dems other than the VP? Nothing comes to alleged mind, which puts extra pressure on the VP choice.
The party elders should vet Barack on all potential, perceivable, conceivable character and legal pitfalls. If they are still not satisfied, perhaps they should force Hillary as the VP choice. I'm still baffled by the strong objection to having her name as part of the Roll Call. The Conspiracy Theorist in me believes that the Obamans don't want to take a chance that something unseemly will be revealed in time.
Posted by: John Hogue | August 10, 2008 1:33 PM
In my personal blog, I have a comment about an AIDS Quilt panel that has really affected me.
If you are interested, feel free to read: http://eurotom.blogspot.com/
Posted by: EuroTom
| August 10, 2008 1:56 PM
FryDaddy,
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126306
You post was an example of what the banned Fritz would have called a red herring argument.
I linked a Newsweek article chronicling McCain's outright lying about Obama's positions.
I referenced the Naval Honor code with states the following:
"A Cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do.
It was with this basis that I said it's a good thing he wasn't in school because he would get expelled.
GORDO,
Since the your posts link to sites of Jews how are stridently anti Obama, and to steal from the vernacular of Whites displaced by affirmative action, they sound like "reverse Anti Semitism", I wonder if you are Jewish yourself. Please clarify why your source of information comes from these sources only.
Posted by: Bear
| August 10, 2008 2:08 PM
EuroTom,
Funny you should mention the AIDS quilt...I remember seeing it a couple of times...whatever happened to it?
Posted by: Bear
| August 10, 2008 2:09 PM
It is around... I have only seen it once. The panels were traditionally sent to different locations... I don't know if that is still true.
It's such a sad thing... I remember seeing a baby's panel... with his blue baseball outfit and baby cap and it said "slugger"... It really broke me up.
Posted by: EuroTom
| August 10, 2008 2:12 PM
FryDaddy,
Your rant about wind turbines off the Massachusetts coast is wrong because it's Senator Kennedy who has been the biggest road block.
It seems that the view of said towers is right in the middle of prime sailing territory and it would also impact the view and thus the property values of his Republican neighbors.
How about doing some research before spouting out some McCain like crap...at least GORDO has links to his bullshit.
Posted by: Bear
| August 10, 2008 2:16 PM
I have not and will not read anything about the Edwards-es. It's none of our business how this has affected either his wife or his children. These things happen every day of every year, and people manage to work it out -- they will too. But I'll tell ya something: that bald-headed fart from the Enquirer (I was flipping channels from The Sports Network to Bravo, and there he was!) was rolling in it, like a pig in ..well, ya know. For someone to take such delight in someone else's pain is just... inhuman.
Posted by: tylenol
| August 10, 2008 2:29 PM
Tyle.....I can dig it.......but just imagine the glee and exultation in certain quarters had it been bill clinton instead........it'd look like arm in arm riverdance all up in here........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 3:42 PM
This week's The Economist:
'Obama fatigue
Is America beginning to weary of “Yes we can”?'
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11885292
Reads like a lot of what we've seen here.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 3:56 PM
For all the media attention given John Edwards for fooling around with another women, I haven't heard anything from McCain.
I suppose that only right because he did the exact same thing. Screwed around on your first wife. And from some other earlier news, he's been messing around on this one too.
Posted by: Rezdog
| August 10, 2008 4:02 PM
Bear that is such BS. here is what Bobby Kennedy said on Larry King's show when asked this very question. "It is because of the impact it may have on the fishing industry"., Nothing about being able to view the towers.
Bear you must not be to knowledgeable about what can be viewed from the waters edge, or in terms you may better understand, beach. You can only see maybe 15 to 20 miles out. If these wind turbines were place 25 miles out nobody could see them and they have little affect on the fishing industry. In fact, like old wrecks they would probably entice fish to them.
It is the same of BS. We want alternative sources, but not in my neighborhood. Kennedy would have been on better grounds had he said something like and pointed to studies have proven the winds off the cost of Massachusetts are to irregular to provide a constant source of electricity. Of course that would be a lie, but it would have sounded better.
FYI: water boundries
Seaward boundary of each original coastal State 3 geographical miles distant from its coast line.
U.S.'s territorial sea to 12 miles. In the Gulf of Mexico, Fl and TX only go out to 9 miles.
U.S.'s contiguous zone from 12 to 24 miles.
And here is a good one fore all you wind turbine fans: States' territorial claims have expanded considerably since the 18th century is 200 hundred miles offshore is the limit of a State's potential exclusive economic zone. Potential because States must claim the territory they want within this limit, and not all of them do so. In this zone the State has some exclusive rights to exploration and resources. However, other States' ships have a right of innocent passage through the EEZ
After 24 miles it is called, Open High Seas.
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mlawofsea.html
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 4:14 PM
Isaac Hayes dead........songwriter for sam and dave, "chef" on South Park........detective on Rockford files.....etc......Theme from Shaft?
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:15 PM
when I get out to #4 KI a sea bouy at nine miles out.....I can see no land........
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:17 PM
Rezdog,
That is just old news. You need to keep up to date with who is currently screwing who.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 4:17 PM
update on hrc night at convention
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/10/AR2008081001370.html
Posted by: patd | August 10, 2008 4:17 PM
sturgeone,
Just depend on the terrain. Off Los Angeles a you can almost make out the humps, 800 to 1200 feet, on Santa Catalina Island, and that is something like 23 miles.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 4:23 PM
and sang an AMAZING version of "Here Comes The Sun"!!
Posted by: tylenol
| August 10, 2008 4:25 PM
there must be something newsworthy that i overlooked since that ap story on hrc at conven. was reported as an update. what was new? mo's kick off on 1st night?
Posted by: patd | August 10, 2008 4:25 PM
was that isaac hayes or richie havens?
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:29 PM
Plus Rezdog,
Almost forgot this point. Campaign money wasn't involved as it was with John Edwards. Follow the money baby, follow the money, this puppy hasn't stopped breathing just yet.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 4:29 PM
sturgeone,
Although Mt. Orizaba is 2,000 feet.
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 4:35 PM
oops..yer right.. isaac hayes WAS shaft..
Posted by: tylenol
| August 10, 2008 4:37 PM
Sturg, were you a Coastie?
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 4:50 PM
semper paratus
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:53 PM
aviation......C-130's and the Albatross.....HU16Echo
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:54 PM
http://www.einsteins-emporium.com/technology/aviation/1946-1970/images/afs00-photo.jpg
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 4:56 PM
ET,
If the US was a restaurant the sign outside would read as follows, "Eat all you want...Not all you can". Pigs of all colors, stripes and sizes lined up at the restaurant, paid no heed to the sign and ate all they could. When the pigs returned the following day they discovered the restaurant had gone out of business. A sign in the window read, "Gluttony won over common sense. The Pigs came and now you know the rest."
Posted by: FryDaddy
| August 10, 2008 5:31 PM
Semper Paratus" (Latin for "Always Ready")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semper_Paratus_(march)
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 5:31 PM
"You need to keep up to date with who is currently screwing who."
That's right FD, I forgot that they found McCain name on the social escort telephone list.
Posted by: Rezdog
| August 10, 2008 5:36 PM
"Eat all you want...Not all you can".
Your story really made me laugh.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 5:37 PM
"semper paratus"
They had Semper Paratus gin at the CG Exchange in St Pete--it was a best seller.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 5:40 PM
"aviation......C-130's and the Albatross.....HU16Echo"
Did you make it to Clearwater?
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 5:42 PM
naval school in millington for electronics, and then E-City for the duration.....made a few places in florida on S&R and Newfoundland oncet......
I was very successful as you will notice......not one inch of coast is missing.......
Posted by: sturgeone | August 10, 2008 5:47 PM
There are few parts we wouldn't miss at all.
Posted by: Flatus
| August 10, 2008 5:54 PM
Obama’s Dual Citizenship Disaster: an Overview
"Since the story broke late Saturday that Barack Obama’s real Birth Certificate, now in Republican hands, has the name Barry Soetoro and not Barack Obama, as we predicted a couple of weeks ago, I notice that many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama.
The matter is somewhat complex, so I’ve decided to try to provide a summary ..."
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 6:28 PM
Oh, Fry...the pigs did indeed come...in the form of big banks, big pharma, big oil, and all the other 'bigs'...and they've bought so many of our politicians that we are now in real danger of losing what our forefathers fought for. I don't blame either party individually. Politicians of both stripes have sold us out very cheaply indeed. But we can't risk another four years under the party of big business. There MAY be at least a fighting chance of some reversal with the Dems.
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 6:34 PM
For all those who were angry at us old broads for not giving in to their urging us to believe in Obama, I say,
"This Edwards business is just EXACTLY why we couldn't automatically accept him as The One."
You may not like to hear us refer to our age and experience, but I doubt that any of us oldies here was surprised at the Edwards news. We know things like this happen. They have happened all too many times in our lives. Things like this have happened in our families, in our friends' families, in our churches and schools, and to us personally. Actually, they have happened through constantly thru 5,000 damn years of history.
We know we don't need a role model, and anyway, they tend to be no better than we already are. We know we need someone who knows how to freaking WORK.
Ergo, it follows as the night the day, that we need to know that a candidate knows HOW TO WORK. We know Hillary can work cause we've seen her work, but we sure as heaven haven't seen Obama work. We've seen him give religious-like speeches that knock the socks off credulous people, but the work output has been from this surrogates.......and that has included smearing the Clinton's with the name 'racist', spreading lies and innuendos about other 'opponents',
dismissing older women, and many reports of thuggery, intimidation, and bullying at rallies and even on college kids.
We have not seen Obama work, since he hasn't spent much time at his REAL job in Congress. It comes down to 'show me the money (work)' and 'where's the
beef (work)?'
I do not for one moment believe that Obama hasn't cheated on his wife. We know he cheated on his church and many friends, and even his own grandmother. Why should M ichelle be any different?
Why should the American public be any different?
Why shoulc the Chicago public be any different? He got two able opponents bumped off the ballot - black activists like himself.
He was presented as a good family man who went to church often and was dedicated to his church and pastor. The he was shown to be not so dedicated to his church because its mission was not attractive to Americans. Then he was shown to be not as close to his pastor as he had said because that pastor espoused a mission that was not attractive to the American people. Everything he has been presented to us as being has turned out to be not true.
Prepare yourselves - he is probably not the perfect family man he has been presented as, either. The shock when it comes just might take you a step forward to being as questioning and doubtful as were are.
Posted by: boop | August 10, 2008 6:38 PM
EuroTom - I have some news that might help you.
Since you are angry with Typekey, I can I assume you are registered there? If you are having to do captcha, you are not having the pleasure of that little blue square after your name under your post.
Is this right? That has been my dilemna, and I have shared emails with Typekey quite a few times. I have done what they suggested (correctly, I hope), but just now I noticed another site under Craig's. It sounded interesting so I opened it.
It was Poll Tracker - Public Opinion and Power. It WAS interesting so I decided to comment. It simply said to sign in to comment - not the request for email address etc, and tha damn captcha. I clicked on that and got a screen asking me to sign in or register. So I clicked on sign in, and, lo and behold, it recognized me as bethyboo!
Saints presarve us!!!! Of course, I cam back here and found I had my little blue square back and, hopefully, I won't have to do captcha!!!!!!!
As far asnot losing what you work on, I simply copy and paste everything and email it to myself. Then if it disappeares, I can copy and paste from my email.
If you are not registered with Typekey, you might want to try it. You do not have to go thru captcha with it.
It's emabarrassing to admit that in my last email to typekey, I whined, "All I want is my little blue square back!"
Posted by: bethyboo
| August 10, 2008 7:30 PM
Tylinol -- here's the only reason to pay attention to this shit:
"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen," - John Edwards, on Bill Clinton, 1999.
Johnny, we hardly knew ye.....
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 7:34 PM
"Oh, Fry...the pigs did indeed come...in the form of big banks, big pharma, big oil, and all the other 'bigs'...and they've bought so many of our politicians that we are now in real danger of losing what our forefathers fought for. I don't blame either party individually. Politicians of both stripes have sold us out very cheaply indeed. But we can't risk another four years under the party of big business. There MAY be at least a fighting chance of some reversal with the Dems"
Hear hear! But harbor -- I'm no longer sure the Dems will fight for anyone.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 7:40 PM
I'm not sure either, Patsi. Sadly. There's just too much corporate ownership of our political process. The current crop of Dems have certainly done little with their majority.
I just read Matt Taibbi's The Derangement. It's very cynical, but its cynical viewpoint comes from someone who sees the process up close day after day.
I'm also afraid we're so far down the road that there may be no saving the country anyway. The only thing I can see on the horizon right now is that there could be many living wage jobs to be created in our effort to wean ourselves from oil.
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 7:50 PM
"I'm also afraid we're so far down the road that there may be no saving the country anyway. "
harbor -- I hate to sound negative, but that's where I am too. My sister said this afternoon that our problem is that we forget how young we are...that we don't relize that we are a baby country.
Posted by: Patsi
| August 10, 2008 8:42 PM
It's emabarrassing to admit that in my last email to typekey, I whined, "All I want is my little blue square back!"
Posted by: bethyboo | August 10, 2008 7:30 PM
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Bethy: I've been having to click on the anonymous button for the last week, since it was the only way I could get the comment box to come up ...soo I tried that with the other Blog, came back here & now am logged in, lol ... looks like Type Key needs some attending too ... somewhere a codes broken ..
Patsi & Habor: I agree .. I don't think the Dems will fight for us either .. look how they've dragged their feet with a lot of important Bills that could help the Middle Class .. Then there's all that with those 2 Border Agents ... Every time I think about it makes me so angry that those men are STILL in prison, even after they finally sent that illegal Drug smuggler to prison himself .. grrrrr ...
Posted by: Viv
| August 10, 2008 8:42 PM
Fry,
With regards to this post
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126562
This is an issue that goes back years. I have spent time in the area and I know many people who are still there now.
Ted Kennedy and many other Nantucket/Vineyard rich types don't want the turbines in that area because it would mess up there sailing. I'm sure there would be disruption to some fishing but I doubt it would be much.
You seem to doubt my capacity to judge the view...on a clear day you can see for up to 30 miles in that area and for some snotty rich types, just knowing that these were out there would send a burr up their asses.
It's a NIMBY situation, pure and simple. It's the same way that McCain is pro nuclear power, yet he won't allow a drop of nuclear waste to enter the state of Arizona...why is that?
Posted by: Bear
| August 10, 2008 8:51 PM
Viv - I immediately emailed Typekey to tell them what happened to me but haven't heard back yet. I don't know if the catch is with our blog site or with Typekey - something gets snagged somewhere and I think it's up to the 'geeks' to figure it out. I'm thrilled to see it worked for you. Isn't that funny?
Posted by: bethyboo
| August 10, 2008 8:55 PM
Patsi et al...
One of the things I learned by reading The Derangement is that Tom DeLay (criminal thug that he is!) decided that the new Republican majority Congress under Bush the Younger had no need to do the people's business while the people might actually be watching. As a consequence, visitors to our once great halls of government are likely to see an endless parade of renamed federal buildings (such as post offices), with very few elected officials attending.
The real business of government...I don't think it can be called the people's business any longer...is conducted in the dead of night, so we are unlikely to be watching...or to object to the evil being done...like when Bill Frist tried to sneak the provision to provide protection from product liability for pharmaceutical companies into a bill. He did that at 2:00 AM, then tried to deny any involvement. But he's a good doctor (NOT!), and was a fine advocate for the people (NOT!). In a time when there's so little to be happy about in government, I'm at least happy that he's gone from the scene!
The Derangement is a book worth reading.
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 9:21 PM
RELEASE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE! TRACKING OBAMA IN INDONESIA & KENYA
"Am I the only one who finds it just a tad peculiar that Obama would stop his relentless campaign for Presidency to go to .......Hawaii, home of the COLB?"
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/release-the-bir.html
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 9:23 PM
"Am I the only one who finds it just a tad peculiar that Obama would stop his relentless campaign for Presidency to go to .......Hawaii, home of the COLB?"
GORDO...Yes!!!
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 9:30 PM
Here's a good one from the LA Times."Clinton supporters in Democratic meeting fail in bid to end caucus system"
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign10-2008aug10,0,443871.story
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 10:10 PM
Oh and another. "Chelsea Clinton,not Bill Clinton,to introduce Hillary at the convention"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/09/2008-08-09_chelsea_clinton_not_bill_clinton_to_intr.html
Posted by: tonyb39
| August 10, 2008 10:22 PM
OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY: The SMOKING CANNON has been found!
"The following findings are too big to call it a "smoking gun," so I called the "smoking cannon" because it's going to knock down a lot of other theories surrounding the infamous image allegedly made of Barack Obama's "birth certificate." ... the image purported to be Obama's birth certificate, or rather, his "Certification of Live Birth (COLB) cannot possibly exist as anything but a manufactured image forgery."
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/07/27/obamas_birth_certificate_forgery_the_smoking_cannon_has_been_found!.thtml
Posted by: GORDO | August 10, 2008 10:24 PM
Patsi et al (again)...
While cooking dinner, I was thinking how bleak my outlook is on the future of this country. I do feel that our federal government is slipping away from us, away from being useful to us in any positive way at all. But the saving grace may be the states. State government seems much more responsive to the needs of the people, and much more 'honest' in the way politicians at that level relate to the people. I hope that continues. As campaigns become ever more sophisticated, we seem to lose more and more connection to those who govern us.
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 10:32 PM
Patsi said:
"I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen," - John Edwards, on Bill Clinton, 1999. Johnny, we hardly knew ye.....
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126610
Patsi, so glad you found that quote from '99. Looking ahead to now, how hypocritical.
also, reg.
I hate to sound negative, but that's where I am too. My sister said this afternoon that our problem is that we forget how young we are...that we don't relize that we are a baby country.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126613
I thought it was interesting your sister said that. I often think of how incredibly young this country is. If you think of it in generations, how few there actually are, is surprising. Did she elaborate on that being a problem? If so, I'd be interested in her take on it.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:56 PM
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/mccains-mavericktude.html#comment-126609
Congratulations Bethy on being BethyBoo again.
Tony, Glad to hear that Chelsea will be introducing Hillary, but sorry to hear there's no end to the caucuses.
nite.
Posted by: chloe
| August 10, 2008 10:56 PM
Chloe and Patsi...
I have trouble seeing a quote from '99 as representative of hypocrisy for a future act. Perhaps, at the time he made that statement, Edwards had no inclination at all toward cheating. Bottom line...we'll never know..but I can't label him hypocritical on the basis of that statement.
Posted by: harborwoman
| August 10, 2008 11:44 PM
Harbor......good point......but there has always been something nagging at me about John.....couldnt put my finger on it exactly, but there was something......and that holier than thou when the chips were up statement brings me closer to it.......he did all the right things.....told Eliz, and saved his marriage, etc....
I didnt know about that statement until I saw it on this blog, but had I known about it, whether he had had an affair or not, that statement would have been very off-putting for me........and to me his making sure it was known that Eliz was in remission is somehow weird.....mitigating.......(Do not MITIGATE! --Rumpole [john mortimer]) anyway....that statement disturbs me, much the same as Larry Craig with his "bad bad boy" performance on MTP.
Posted by: sturgeone | August 11, 2008 12:10 AM
NEW THREAD
Posted by: Jamie
| August 11, 2008 12:12 AM
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