Jesse Jr. Eyes Obama's Senate Seat

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Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. would accept an appointment to the Senate if Barack Obama wins the presidency and leaves Gov. Rod Blagojevich with a vacancy to fill. (CQ Politics)

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  1. I wonder if Alan Keyes will run back to Illinois to run against JJ Jr. at first chance?

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:01 PM

  2. Craig,

    Because the tone of the Presidential race has hit the sewer so quickly, I find myself more interested in following the Senate and House Races. Do you plan on publishing a list of your top 10 races to watch?

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:03 PM

  3. sure can't blame you for that, Bear. It's all right here, constantly updated:

    House Races to Watch: http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=ratings-house

    Senate Races to Watch:
    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=ratings-senate

    Governor Races to Watch:
    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=ratings-governor

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:15 PM

  4. Craig hasn't clinton already said she doesn't intend to have her name put up for nomination at the convention? I seem to recall reading that somewhere over the last day or two?

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:22 PM

  5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_lwECEW3g

    ed norton weighs in on sewers

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 2:22 PM

  6. Thanks for the links...it's said to think that this presidential campaign is playing out more predictably that a bad porno flick and I suspect that when the dust settles, the viewer will get much less satisfaction as well.

    Posted by: Bear Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:25 PM

  7. I was surprised to see the Oregon Senate race listed as leaning Republican.

    The most recent poll showed Democrat Jeff Merkley leading Senator Smith by 2 points.

    Smith has gone super negative, threatening his benign, nice guy image.

    Oregon Senate Race -Toss-up.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 2, 2008 2:31 PM

  8. Brian

    That was the NY Daily News article that supposedly came from "insiders"

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/31/2008-07-31_hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:32 PM

  9. tnx Jamie

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:35 PM

  10. I never really knew very much about Jesse Jackson Jr..

    After he threw is dad under the bus, that did it for me.

    Junior better hold off ordering those packing boxes.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 2, 2008 2:43 PM

  11. Champ posted: "Like the old saying: "There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes".


    But the one from Zorro, The Gay Blade: "There is no shame in being poor, only in dressing poorly."

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:47 PM

  12. *flashes the big L*

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 2:48 PM

  13. Time to go put air in my tires.

    "Solving the Energy Crisis one PSI at at time"

    Compressed air you can believe in.!

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:02 PM

  14. That nitrogen *u****** is a scam, btw.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 3:06 PM

  15. Brian, has your cancellation to the New Yorker taken effect yet??

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:10 PM

  16. I received the latest issue, but I've cooled on my anger so it continues to come I won't bitch. Why? I never did receive a reply to my email, i have a feeling they were swamped.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:16 PM

  17. Ow.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 3:20 PM

  18. There's there's a poignant story by Ben McGrath 'A Soldier's Legacy' subtitled 'What a major killed in Iraq couldn't tell."

    Addresses a subject we talked about a few months ago.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:25 PM

  19. Note: PLEASE do not copy and paste entire articles into our threads. Blurbs and links only.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:27 PM

  20. my apologies for the long post above, here are the links on "Barack's shift on Offshore drilling - how he can still seize this issue"

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/pastorjmr3/gG5TpJ
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/07/eight_reasons_spr.html

    Posted by: John R, | August 2, 2008 3:27 PM

  21. That's ok, John R, i edited your earlier posting. It's so much better to give your reasons for interest in an article with a quote or two and the link to original source. Not only is a readibility issue for our threads, but a copyright issue as well. Thanks.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:30 PM

  22. I haven't read the article, I usually read the magazine on the subway and I haven't traveled much over the fast few days.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:32 PM

  23. Craig, guess what song I just listened to and song by whom?

    Beatrice Fairfax, don't you dare
    Ever tell me he will care.
    I'm certain
    It's the final curtain...

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:33 PM

  24. Judy doesn't care that you're a fan, B.....

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:40 PM

  25. craig, after i posted it i said ooops lol, won't happen again, thanks

    Posted by: John R, | August 2, 2008 3:42 PM

  26. Judy?

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:42 PM

  27. Patsi while obviously you are a hag, you are not my hag, I'm not a big judy fan.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:54 PM

  28. oh geez, can we get a break from the brian-patsi wars this weekend???

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:58 PM

  29. for sure.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 3:59 PM

  30. I can make it happen for sure. Signing off.

    Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:00 PM

  31. I'm having a lot more fun watching Roy and Bruce singing Dream Baby.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:03 PM

  32. I'm off to visit with the great Helen Thomas, who is recuperating nicely from her recent illness. I'll relay your Trail Mix love.

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:04 PM

  33. Maybe we should change our names to "George and Martha", LOL.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:05 PM

  34. or Archie and Edith. Bye all, be nice

    Posted by: Craig Crawford Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:06 PM

  35. Perhaps all this talk of who is going to replace Obama in the Senate is premature. He hasn't been elected or for that matter nominated yet.

    What is more interesting is his shifting on offshore oil drilling. I guess he figured out that just tuning up your car and putting air in the tires might not be the answer. But if you remember to change your air filter and make sure your gas cap is on securely that might do it.

    Maybe he can call into Car Talk on NPR.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:07 PM

  36. "get wells" big time to ms thomas.......

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 4:07 PM

  37. Craig, indeed, please do.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:10 PM

  38. Reading that thing about presidents in the Journal and how tall they were, etc., was about the most boring thing around--except for Madison, who tipped the scales at a whopping 98-pounds.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:17 PM

  39. I guess Jesse Jr has a different crystal ball. My mirror on the wall say Obama will be sitting in his Senate seat come January 20th, 2009

    VJ Machiavelli
    http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

    Posted by: VJ Machiavelli Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:20 PM

  40. Like you VJ, your crystal ball is cracked.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:22 PM

  41. oh geez, can we get a break from the brian-everyone who doesn't agree with him wars this weekend???

    Posted by: anonymous | August 2, 2008 4:33 PM

  42. Sup MD?

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:37 PM

  43. LOL

    MD
    The more Obama backers play the poor blackman stuff when it is obviously not true the more likely he loses.
    I can't hink of anything more disgusting than the false accusations you throw around. You and people like Hubert are doing Obama no favors. You are making him a special interest candidate not a candidate for all Americans

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:40 PM

  44. Well that got Jack up and running.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:42 PM

  45. Nothing much. Only staying for a second on the TM. Got writing to do.

    Jack: If what you say is true, I still don't care.

    Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 2, 2008 4:43 PM

  46. Ya done good Brian.
    Now do you have any comment to make but an attack.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:45 PM

  47. Flatus

    Some commentary on Gates' essay in the latest issue of Parameters, the journal published by the Army War College.

    thought you might find it interesting.

    http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/nationalsecurity/2008/07/gates-with-them.html

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:47 PM

  48. Thank you Jack. It's safely on my list.

    Posted by: Flatus Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:50 PM

  49. "If what you say is true, I still don't care. "

    That is probalbly the closest thing to the truth I've heard from you MD.
    The rest of us do care, I like to see progress being made in the neighborhood. It is only when we all sit down together is progress made. Your style of politics doesn't lend itself to that. It is devisive to say the least and plays to the lowest common denominator. In other words IMO there is little difference between your political style and Karl Rove.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 4:57 PM

  50. From the last blog:
    Jesse L. Jackson Jr. is a thug at best. Even if he was appointed to Obama's Senate seat, it would be a short appointment. If I were in his district I would vote Republican, and I seriously mean that!


    Posted by: EuroTom | August 2, 2008 10:25 AM

    Oh and Craig... I'm standing apart on the hair topic. It looks too '90s!

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:01 PM

  51. I guess Jesse Jr has a different crystal ball. My mirror on the wall say Obama will be sitting in his Senate seat come January 20th, 2009

    VJ Machiavelli
    http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
    Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | August 2, 2008 4:20 PM

    Machiavelli is channeling Mussolini from the grave...

    Same old rot, smells worse than it did in the 1940s.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:04 PM

  52. So is JJ jr. that well liked in the Dailey machine to demand the senate seat? Just curious, it looks like he is making a risky play that may blow up in his face if not.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:08 PM

  53. To me, Obama represents the post Al Sharpton-Jesse Jackson political world, and that includes Jackson Jr.

    Enough dynastic politics.


    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 5:11 PM

  54. Brian,

    Coming in late with a guess since you didn't say

    Listening to Ella singing Gershwin's "But Not For Me"

    It all began so well, but what an end,
    This is the time a fella needs a friend,
    When every happy plot,
    Ends in a marriage knot,
    And there's no knot for me.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:17 PM

  55. The "Al Sharpton-Jesse Jackson political world" which was????


    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:17 PM

  56. It was Rosemary Jamie.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:18 PM

  57. Tooting my own horn a bit here:

    As of 1 September 2008, my workplace will change from JET to LukOil. JET is the European brand of ConocoPhillips and I have held a franchise with them since 2003. Last year, the American oil company sold all JET stations in Europe, except for those in Germany and the United Kingdom to Russian oil giant LUKOIL.

    As part of the publicity with the rebranding, we are introducing our new colors which are red, gray and black in place of the Jet colors of yellow and blue.

    Here is a publicity photo that is coming out for people in my area. It is done to reassure the public that while the name's changing, the station manager remains... Excellent campaign!

    To see the photo: http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:21 PM

  58. Rosemary is excellent. I do like Ella's version a bit better.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:25 PM

  59. No one asked, but here is what Carol Mosely Braun, who held the Senate seat from 1993-1999, is doing, at least as of January of this year.

    http://www.grist.org/feature/2008/01/03/braun/index.html


    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 5:35 PM

  60. Why Obama Should Pick Hillary

    OPINION

    by Lanny Davis


    Picking a vice president is obviously Barack Obama's decision to make. He must be comfortable with who he picks. Comfort level between a president and vice president may be the most important factor of all.


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745984626098717.html


    Craig, when you are around again, I still think your notion of the "shotgun" wedding between the two Democratic frontrunners makes the most sense electorally...


    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:47 PM

  61. Obama in Africa: Unanswered Questions About What He Said and Did in Kenya, 2006

    "We believe the GOP has audio or video material from Obama’s 2006 Congressional Delegation trip to South Africa, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Kenya that will sink Obama’s campaign ... if the GOP hits Obama hard before the Democratic Convention ... then superdelegates might wise up and dump Obama before it’s too late.

    ... it seems like Obama could not have avoided making anti-American statements, since the Kenyan government of Mabiki is strongly US-backed.

    So, whatever Obama was saying in Kenya was so bad that Mabiki’s government complained to the United States about it.

    ... the GOP has everything it needs to implode Obama — much more than anyone ever had on Dukakis or Kerry."

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/obama-in-africa-unanswered-questions-about-what-he-said-and-did-in-kenya-2006/

    Posted by: GORDO | August 2, 2008 5:48 PM

  62. "To me, Obama represents the post Al Sharpton-Jesse Jackson political world, and that includes Jackson Jr"

    Where as I view it as the rebirth of that political world.

    They had already been supplanted by a new generation of AA leaders in the late 80's and nineties.
    Harold Ford jr and my Congressman Emanuel Cleaver come to mind. These were political leaders with accomplishments with in the system. JJ and Sharpton were always operating out side the system. Mostly as public scolds to the system. They still play that role IMO.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:54 PM

  63. Yesterday someone called 65 "advanced old age". I meant to point out that even the bible gives your three score and ten before you are considered likely to pop off any second.

    Just for interest, I checked out the Presidents. Other than the ones who got murdered, it turns out being President is very good for your health.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_date_of_death

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 5:59 PM

  64. ET

    I agree about the "Dream Team". If Obama names anyone else, it doesn't matter who, what you get:

    The Dull Thud of Adequate.

    Nothing special. Nothing exciting. Nothing to stir up the crowds following the convention. Obama will be elected and the majority of the Hillary supporters will do their duty unless they sleep in.. Blah blah blah.

    With her a totally unified, excited party.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 6:04 PM

  65. No question, there are a lot of excellent young politicians out there, Artur Davis among them. (And saw Rep Cleaver heading up a House panel on C-Span this week. Very appealing guy; some congresscritters are droning talking heads. He was not.)

    My point was that Obama transcends race to an extent that Jackson Sr and Al Sharpton cannot.
    =====================

    Who is chomping at the bit to replace McCain, in the event his seat is the one that needs a replacement come January?

    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 6:06 PM

  66. One the other side of the country, speculation is equally rampant about who will replace Arizona's Senior Senator John McCain if he's elected president. Governor Janet Napolitano is a Democrat but would be required by Arizona law to choose a Republican to replace McCain. Political watchers expect her to choose a moderate Republican. That, however, could shake things up in Tucson.

    Here's a political parlor game being played down at City Hall: What if Gov. Janet Napolitano were to appoint Mayor Bob Walkup to the U.S. Senate? Napolitano would get to pick a Republican to replace John McCain if our senior senator were to win the White House. Given her own political leanings, she'd be looking for a moderate, and they don't come much more mod than Mayor Bob. This is the guy who can't even bring himself to endorse Republican state Sen. Tim Bee in the race against Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

    If Mr. Walkup did go to Washington, the Democratic Tucson City Council would get to pick his replacement--and there's no requirement in the City Charter that it be a member of the departing mayor's political party.

    All things considered, we think former Congressman Jim Kolbe would make a better pick to replace McCain. He's competent, knows the landscape--and probably couldn't win a statewide GOP primary.

    MSNBC also sees a potential Kolbe appointment but look at a few more.

    A state law requires her to replace McCain with another Republican, but unlike other states that force governors to choose from a list drawn up by the party of the departing senator, she does have some discretion. With that in mind, will she choose a "weak" Republican who would face a strong Democratic challenge in 2010? Someone like, say, former Rep. J.D. Hayworth? Or will she select a party maverick, in the spirit of McCain, who would force the GOP into a bitter and expensive primary battle two years from now? (Rep. Jeff Flake's name comes to mind.) Or will she choose a moderate like former Rep. Jim Kolbe
    http://qninewmedia.typepad.com/newsline_9_political_blog/2008/06/senate-speculat.html

    Posted by: anonymous | August 2, 2008 6:23 PM

  67. Thanks anon. Very interesting. And like the blog you provided; looks worth further reading.

    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 6:34 PM

  68. And so in keeping with Craig's request not to post entire articles.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 6:40 PM

  69. not the entire article over poster

    Posted by: anonymous | August 2, 2008 6:53 PM

  70. KGC - too hot, again. Do you ever get as far out on Sonoma highway to Bob's Fruit Truck? Well, it's not Bob's any more since it's been sold to an organic group. I've always liked going there, and this summer they have some of the best homegrown tomatoes I've tasted in years. I've been making very plain salads with them, just iceberg and romaine an the 'maters - no dressing but salt, so I can taste the 'maters, and they've been pure magic. No wonder salads haven't tasted as good as they did when I was a kid. These tomatoes are called Bruins - gotta go back since I'm almost out.

    I'm draggin' with this cold - nap time.

    Posted by: boop | August 2, 2008 7:07 PM

  71. yeah, anon's post was a brief summary of some of the article, and on the question raised. Appreciated it.

    Actual post goes into a lot more detail than CQ article Craig linked to; good site.

    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 7:11 PM

  72. Boop

    Just for you

    Home grown ta'maters

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nitgmAInI18

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 7:12 PM

  73. Looking forward to some Hanover (County, Virginia) tomatoes for dinner. They even look beautiful on the kitchen table.

    ======

    Josh Marshall of Talking Points:

    "MUST-READ
    Stop what you're doing and read this article. Very acute take on the latest turn of the campaign."

    link:
    http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/48928/

    "Is Mud-Slinging the Only Way John McCain Can Win?"

    And kudos to Chloe, who put this article link up last thread on Craig's blog before Talking Points added it to their site. 3 points.

    Posted by: dog's eye view | August 2, 2008 7:17 PM

  74. too bad they've decided not to do the new style debates. woulda been a real change we coulda believed in...woulda coulda shoulda. http://kevxml.windstream.net/_1_2BTTTO104NRGHW4__wind.main/apnws/story.htm?kcfg=apart&sin=washnews_top&qcat=washnews&ran=28548&feed=ap&top=1

    Posted by: patd | August 2, 2008 7:31 PM


  75. Mr. Crawford; nice relaxed look on KO's show yesterday, it suits you.

    Jamie; 10:50 am and 12:49..... I have a couple of questions about the first post , so I'll go to the second;....Yes, there is reverse racism out there,
    and it all seems to have made it to talk TV. This man will be so screwed up by the time "people" are finished with him, he won't know which half of himself to hate.

    Back to my questions, Do you really believe he is anything other than an empty suit without his handlers?

    question 1) Doesn't everything that goes out about these candidates have to be vetted first? We all know about frivolous lawsuits so I thought that everything connected to him had to be vetted. ie: The ludicris song, somebody in BO's organization(that he's responsible for)had to have heard that before it hit the airwaves, so even disavowing it, was after the fact, with no judge to tell the jury to disregard those last remarks.

    question 2) His supporters treat him as some sort of messiah, hence the "Moses" ad, and they treat anyone who doesn't fall in line as a pariah, how does this signify anything resembling change(which I am desperately trying to find) and how does it not signify mass hysteria.

    These questions are not facetious, or ignorant, but maybe unenlightened.....if you could help..........

    Rita

    Posted by: politicallypissed Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 7:37 PM

  76. WHAT IF OBAMA LOSES?

    "As it turns out, there is a way to render the most vocal Obamamanic speechless: Ask if the possibility - however slight, however remote - of their candidate losing is something that may have ever, for the briefest moment, crossed their mind.

    "I hadn't even thought about it," says Brooklynite Jeff Strabone, who has gone so far as to adopt Obama's middle name, Hussein, as his own.

    I don't even want to think about it." "It's funny - I hadn't even thought about it once," says Jake Abraham, who has produced events for the Obama campaign."

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/what_if_obama_loses__122685.htm

    Posted by: GORDO | August 2, 2008 7:43 PM

  77. Like I said Gordo, lock up the Flavor-Aid.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 7:44 PM

  78. If Obama loses it's time to seriously think about the quality of life you seek, and deciding what country has the best chance of providing it.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 7:47 PM

  79. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/02/mccain-aims-to-drive-home-obama-celebrity-label/

    McCain Aims to Drive Home Obama ‘Celebrity’ Label

    “They’re clever on creating distractions from the issues that really matter in people’s lives,” he [Obama]said. “We’ve got to make sure we keep focused on people’s day-to-day concerns. We don’t take the skill of the Republicans in engaging in negative campaigning lightly.”

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 7:53 PM

  80. Politically Pissed,

    Let's see what I can do with the questions:

    "Do you really believe he is anything other than an empty suit without his handlers?"

    No I believe he is a brilliant and capable man who has gotten long way, very fast with the help of a glib tongue and a lot of mentors. As such he may be a little lazy and take the easy way out of platitudes. That doesn't mean the capacity isn't there and you never know how a man will really behave in the Presidency until they get there. Some cave under the weight and others grow into the job and are bigger than might be expected.


    "Doesn't everything that goes out about these candidates have to be vetted first? We all know about frivolous lawsuits so I thought that everything connected to him had to be vetted. ie: The ludicris song, somebody in BO's organization(that he's responsible for)had to have heard that before it hit the airwaves, so even disavowing it, was after the fact, with no judge to tell the jury to disregard those last remarks."

    Ludicris is a free agent. He can voice his opinion about anything within the framework of his first amendment rights. If he didn't give it to the campaign to screen before release, then there is no way they had any control over it. Now conspiracy types might go for the idea that they knew but did nothing beforehand knowing it would give them something to disavow while looking noble, but there is no way to prove that.

    "His supporters treat him as some sort of messiah, hence the "Moses" ad, and they treat anyone who doesn't fall in line as a pariah, how does this signify anything resembling change(which I am desperately trying to find) and how does it not signify mass hysteria."

    Again people do what they are going to do. He played to the crowds during the primaries, but seems to be toning it down some now. Whether or not his supporters act a little less like teenyboppers screaming over some idol is a matter of wait and see. Also whether they will turn out at the polls or are just socializing is also wait and see.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:06 PM

  81. UB,

    How many people have the means to uproot themselves and move to another country because their candidate lost? Even the high profile celebs that claimed they would leave the USA if Bush won are still here. Plus no one can escape the IRS even if they move.

    The logistics of leaving a job, finding a job, selling a house, buying a house, uprooting kids if you have them, finding a bank, dentist, doctor, health insurance. school.and on and on, makes this a hollow threat.

    And once you have gone down the list of all the countries in the world, I would like to see how they measure up.

    And why are so many people risking everything they have including their life to get into the United States?


    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:09 PM

  82. I am not suggesting everyone leave.....most people do not have the means or the desire. But this country is in serious trouble on all front right now, and personally I do not believe that if McCain wins anything will change for the better.

    Bowmanc - it's an opinion not a directive, I do know that many people do look to foreign countries for retirement....that's been going on for years. The weak dollar may have slowed that a bit, not sure.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:15 PM

  83. Are you considering a move? Maybe ET has some suggestions.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:17 PM

  84. I still have children in High school so I hope it doesn't come to that. A dear friend of mine, has built a second home in Costa Rica, and I know others that have purchased condos in France.....So it is something I have been considering if need be...

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:24 PM

  85. Yes, ET would b a good one to ask.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:27 PM

  86. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/jesse-jr-eyes-obamas-senate-se.html#comment-123431

    I read that last night, good story ... mayhbe it's me, since I've worked with them my whole life, but can't understand peoples hatred at all ... My last job, Patty K, was so good to everyone in our receiving area .. she use to help me when I got swamped w/returns .. miss working with her & wonderful since of humor, !:^)

    Posted by: Viv Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:39 PM

  87. Ah, the apple trees, Sunlit memories, Where the hammock swung, On our backs we'd lie, Looking at the sky, Till the stars were strung, Only last July when the world was young.

    [julie london singing johnny mercer]

    Posted by: patd | August 2, 2008 8:40 PM


  88. Jamie;..8:06..... Thanx, that was almost as good as valium. I wish I could agree on his capability, but I just can not....the problems at this time seem almost insurmountable and I don't see how there's going to be any compromise without losing the left.

    And to add insult to injury, Ms. Pelosi has taken whatever satisfaction, might be gleaned by nailing the bastards that did this, away....

    I think what's eating at me the most is, Are these 2 candidates really the best America can do? I believe that McCain is a sacrificial goat of sorts, but I can't figure out what's going on with the DNC.....

    Rita

    Posted by: politicallypissed Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:41 PM

  89. If Obama loses it's time to seriously think about the quality of life you seek, and deciding what country has the best chance of providing it.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | August 2, 2008 7:47 PM

    You're going to wait 'til then? Heh heh...

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 8:47 PM

  90. Anita O'Day made a nice recording of When the World Was Young.

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:48 PM

  91. There was supposed to be a mass exodus in 2004. You ain't going anywhere. Besides, the entire western world is becoming a police state at a faster rate than us. Even more bad news: doesn't matter who wins the election.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 8:49 PM

  92. A Little Something from Bobby Darin to go with the Julie London

    Once Upon A Time

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ8mVtBnawA&feature=related

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:53 PM

  93. Shirley Bassey

    Yesterday, When I Was Young

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZz6YDs5j0M

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 8:55 PM

  94. Peggy Lee version of
    When The World Was Young

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y0xC6swPrI

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:01 PM

  95. This one is for you UB

    Earl Scruggs & the Byrds: You Ain't Going Nowhere.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHYQr8meeog

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:02 PM

  96. The greatest popular singers of the 20th century..

    Frank Sinatra and Judy Garland

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 2, 2008 9:03 PM

  97. Anita O'Day made a nice recording of When the World Was Young.
    brian, she did. so did peggy lee and mr. frank s

    Posted by: patd | August 2, 2008 9:04 PM

  98. -Mentality of spoiled children, Bowman. If they can't have it their way, they're taking their ball and going home. Oh wait, they don't have one. Run away! Run away!

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:04 PM

  99. Champ, Didn't you learn to indulge the baby boomers.?

    Del Shannon: Runaway

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIaelSVhyM

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:10 PM

  100. Suggestion:

    Senators Obama and McCain should take their families on 10 day vacations. No public statements, no statements from the campaign. Otherwise, by election day, we will all be ready to banish them to another planet.

    Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 2, 2008 9:14 PM

  101. Man, I'm sick of this friggin' mess these boomers created.

    Keep the tunes coming, I need some more for the songbook.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:14 PM

  102. You an archer or am I misinterpreting your screen-name?

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:16 PM

  103. Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:17 PM

  104. This has nothing to do with politics.

    Fastfoodabilly Music. Two Triple cheese side order of Fries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FBQAcjjpY

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:18 PM

  105. Damn, Runaway is a well-composed song.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:19 PM

  106. No, not an archer, worked at Bowman Lake State Park one summer and one of my nutty friends started calling me Bowman C. Studge. That was in 1976 and it has stuck with me ever since.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:21 PM

  107. Alright, you just lost me with the Foodabilly. Can't win 'em all, I guess.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:21 PM

  108. Yup. Figured as much. Never-mind about the archery question I had.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:23 PM

  109. As long as you believe you an put people in categories, such as type-casting, you will remain ignorant of true differences.

    But for many people that, "being able to label someone " brings comfort....to me it's naive...but have fun with it....most of America likes simplicity....

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:23 PM

  110. Damn dude. I was not even in existence when your alter-ego was born. Gots ta go!

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:25 PM

  111. Yeah, whatever, UB. Whatever lets you sleep at night.

    Posted by: champ | August 2, 2008 9:26 PM

  112. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZCbb3PveWw

    mr cab driver - lenny kravitz

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:27 PM

  113. Well it is a song about Fast food done in a rockabilly style: Fastfoodabilly, I didn't invent that name it was either Commander Cody or Bill Kirchen

    Crazy Arms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83k7T7wN9rw

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:29 PM

  114. Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:30 PM

  115. Jack - loved the song! But love home-grown tamatoes
    even more!

    Jamie & Pissed - I understand what Jamie wrote and at times I think the same, but I am with Pissed nonetheless.

    My problem is that I still don't know what he is. I know what others believe of him, but I go by what I have seen of him and heard him say. That's all. I have seen him do practically nothing to ease my mis-givings. I know that infuriates some here, but it's nobody's place to tell me what to think.

    I think his decision to not take public money was nothing short of villainous. (No, don't scream at me. I do believe he made a pledge and he broke it knowingly.) His reason for it was unacceptable to me and if you think I have no right to say so and think so, don't call yourself an American.

    I think his trip abroad and his behaviour as if he were already elected were bad choices, but nothing more.

    I think the way he let his campaign be run was tawdry and inexcusable.

    He is starting to re-think his stand on off-shore drilling.

    How can I know what he is? He changes daily almost.

    HOWEVER, if he sticks to his promise to not try to stop a woman's right to choose, he's fine with me. I don't care what or who he is and doubt we'll ever really know, but what he does is paramount.

    What he needs to do in my opinion is WORK and leave a woman's right to choose be her right.

    I don't vote on what or who I think a candidate is. I vote on what I think he or she will do. I am not sanguine but have no other choice.

    KGC, along those same lines, what do you think of
    Arnie' s stunt yesterday? I wonder if he's going to stick to it and/or will get away with it. Isn't it a good thing we didn't triple our car taxes for just one year so that we can now steal from the poor to balance the bidget????

    Posted by: boop | August 2, 2008 9:38 PM

  116. Type-casting. What a term, it originated with letterpress printing. Casting Type in foundries. That was one the industries that employed thousands of people in the golden age of newspapers. The Otto Mergenthaler went and invented the Linotype. And within ten years most of those foundries were out of business. Then came phototypsetting and Linotype vanished. And then came digital typography (postscript) and that was then end of phototypsetting. Next up, the internet, and that is the end of many print based products, telephone directories, catalogs...

    An interesting side note. If you look at the timeline of when the Linotype became the workhorse of the printing industry, you will see that Public Libraries started appearing. This was no coincidence, the Linotype made book production affordable for the masses.

    Hopefully books will survive. Printing is my profession and I do not want to live to see then end of ink on paper.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:41 PM

  117. Always go with Ella

    Lullaby of Birdland
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjL2Fac40Y

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:42 PM

  118. Sure wish I could type as well as the men (and it was men) that set type on the Linotypes.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:43 PM

  119. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_IyQz_50IQ

    RL Burnside - Dust My Broom

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:46 PM


  120. Bowmanc

    The story of my life

    Commander Cody -- It Shoulda been ME

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se2R1spaaoM

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:48 PM

  121. Bow,

    I have a bit of exposure to printing, was my fathers occupation for many years.....I was young.....off-set press? big machines with plates.... when I acted sick, he would take me to work and I would hang out at the shop, then go out to lunch....I was never really sick...lol

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:52 PM

  122. this from a south carolina conservative columnist:

    http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=49218

    "How the Neocons Gave Obama the World"

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 9:52 PM

  123. Sarah Vaughan - My Funny Valentine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGaPVXy2Cm8

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:52 PM

  124. Sturge
    Lightnin' hopkins
    Good one

    Loved the way they were slappin' down those dominoes.

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:53 PM

  125. The Bluesman's Epitaph:


    "Ah didnt wake up this mornin' "

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 9:55 PM

  126. Jack,

    Maybe, it should have been you. But I bet you did just fine. I would be very hard pressed to come up with a Commander Cody Song that I didn't like. They were my favorite since the early '70's.

    I actually got back stage at the Tower Theater in Philadelphia in 1972 for a show they played with the Byrds and Paul Butterfiled Blues Band. Pretty dam cool for a 17YO kid to meet everybody in those bands.

    Posted by: Bowmanc Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:55 PM

  127. Boop

    I'm very much in wait and see mode. I don't trust Obamas associates such as Axelrod and the part of his overseas trip in Germany truly disturbed me. Still I can't stand the thought of Republicans in office one second longer than the law requires. At this state just hope Obama grows into the job.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 9:55 PM

  128. Im gonna keep on travelin' till I find someplace to go.

    --Lightnin' Hopkins

    lol

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 10:00 PM

  129. You think Obama, an intelligent man, can do any worse than Bush? ....right there we have an improvement.....

    I really think with Obama and Obama's supporting cast......we will actually see things change for the better....it will take time....but it will get us off this track to hell.....

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:00 PM

  130. Mel Torme - A foggy day in London town

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCDZaApwV8

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:01 PM


  131. Bowmanc;..9:41......... I also hope books survive. It's purely selfish on my part , I derive a great deal of pleasure from reading a good book. It also excercises your imagination. I don't know if that's good these days, anyone with an imagination is usually considered a conspiracy theorist(nut).

    Posted by: politicallypissed Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:01 PM

  132. Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 10:07 PM

  133. Well if you are going to London a little something for Brian and ET:

    John Barrowman as Captain Jack Harkness in Torchwood singing

    A Nightingale Sang in Barkley Square

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr3tlFQya_c&feature=related

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:09 PM

  134. a little old style southern gospel musics:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzlX9X3E18

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 10:10 PM

  135. Good Evening, all. I went to the Coast Guard Festival in Grand Haven today. I toured 3 ships while I was there. The "USCGC Mackinaw", the "USCGC Biscayne Bay" and "CCGS/NGCC Samuel Risley". The Samuel Risley was a Canadian Coast Guard ship based out of Parry Sound, ON. For whatever reason, the Canadian crew was the friendliest crew there once again. They gave my nephew and I Canadian Coast Guard tie pins. The weather was great today. I posted a few pictures on my blog. Will have more in the slideshow, eventually. The Grand Haven beach was packed today as well. They had "MWPVA" Midwest Pro Volleyball Association tournament going on at the beach. High quality volleyball. As we were leaving the beach, my nephew leaned on my shoulder and said, "Lots of pretty women!" LOL! Indeed there were!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:11 PM

  136. corey.........."Semper Paratus"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_C7m_5aZXQ

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 10:15 PM

  137. Mel did a great Berkeley Square

    Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:20 PM

  138. Torme did a great everything. One of the best shows ever was in the lounge room at the old Sands with Mel on a stool with a guitar. Very intimate and incredibly good.

    Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:23 PM

  139. Jamie - I agree with you the whole way and enjoyed your response to Pissed, which is why I jumped into the middle of it. It was just interesting the way you said what you did, I was compelled to butt in. Nothing to do now but wait and see cuz we can't have any more reps there.

    Love all these old music posts - Ella knows how to sing, huh? I'm not fond of the shouters and yellers that pass for it today.

    Posted by: boop | August 2, 2008 10:24 PM

  140. 2 funny stories from today. While I was touring the Canadian ship there were two female coast guards on the ship's deck. They were watching the boats go through the channel. One woman said to the other, "Check out the guy in that boat going by down there. He's got a nice body!"
    Then when I was in the control room of that ship, there was a good-looking 25 or so year-old male coast guard greeting people. This very attractive blonde girl walked up to him and asked him, "Are you the Captain?" I laughed when I heard that and said to the guy, "It probably depends on who's asking, right?" LOL! He laughed and told her, "No." I'll give him credit for being more honest than I would have been if I was in his situation! LOL!

    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:27 PM

  141. Sturge

    thanks for the song of faith and inspiration.

    Here is a song that best explains my beliefs.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPSLRqGQ5Q

    Jack

    Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:44 PM

  142. Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 10:55 PM

  143. Jamie,
    Your posting that Shirley Bassey version of 'Yesterday, When I was Young' reminded me of the Roy Clark version that I used to love so much.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEY4LxORCeo

    nite.

    Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 11:01 PM

  144. Posted by: sturgeone | August 2, 2008 11:03 PM

  145. Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 2, 2008 11:05 PM

  146. As the debates ended and the parties settled for their standard bearers , I backed off from watching way too much political coverage. I had given McCain up for dead months before and Obama was just my sixth choice . It got sadder by the week as first Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were sort of kicked out of the debates, then Richardson and Edwards faded away and then HRC was vanquished.
    I have no trouble rooting for a sports team that isn't my favorite in the playoffs, but I have found it difficult to just latch onto Obama and "talk him up" because I disagree with so much policy he proposes.
    I should be giddy, as a Black candidate is about to become the 44th President of the USA. I never thought I would ever see it...I thought it would come long after I was dead.
    That issue alone should have me fired up , but I am not fired up. I have grave differences with Obama , mostly to do with the entire Middle East , which I comment on from time to time.
    I have family members working directly for the campaign; I would not be surprised to see one of them become Obama's Press Secretary. Even this fact doesn't fire me up.
    Most of you know I was a hardcore supporter of Dennis Kucinich. He was laughed at and ridiculed out of the debates. Why? Because this country will not let a true progressive person ascend anywhere near 1600 PA Ave.
    Obama offers plans like transferring the war effort from Iraq to Afghanistan, even though a victory there is impossible as the mess in Iraq is impossible to win.
    Yes, i am convinced the entire war effort on all fronts has been a colossal failure , and I still believe that to Cut And Run is the best strategy. If the USAF needs to bomb something, give orders to bomb that goddam US Embassy in Baghdad...that white elephant rankles my nerves to no end. Obama believes in keeping it going, pouring more billions into it to eventually get it built. I call it W's Legacy.
    So yes, I'll vote for Obama, just to be a part of this historic change in the face of the USA.

    Posted by: Dexter Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 1:25 AM

  147. Corey, I've been up and toured the ships before. My stepkids' grandparents owed that marina at Grand Haven at the mouth of the Grand River, right beside where that Holiday Inn was.
    They're all gone now...the marina was converted to dockominiums ---who knows what it is now.
    Also, in 1990 I was in Baltimore on vacation and we attended a baseball game in old Memorial Stadium. It was Coast Guard night. The Coast Guard passed out huge bags of roasted peanuts to everyone, all for free. I bet the regular peanut vendors had a fit!

    Posted by: Dexter Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 1:35 AM

  148. If Obama loses it's time to seriously think about the quality of life you seek, and deciding what country has the best chance of providing it.

    Posted by: unlikely_burrito | August 2, 2008 7:47 PM

    All things equal, I still say Belgium. :)

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 2:38 AM

  149. Chloe you beat me to the punch on Roy Clark's Yesterday When I Was Young... I remember when I was a young kid and my Mom bought that song and I thought "what a stupid song". It didn't make any sense to me. Now that I am having my 49th birthday in 3 days, I TOTALLY relate to it. I told my Mom about my change of view, and asked if she related to the song more since she turned 70. Her answer was "HELL YES"....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEY4LxORCeo


    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 2:44 AM

  150. If Obama looses? There'll be a lot of suicides, besides the existing financial ones now, & Canada watch out!

    tt

    Posted by: tiptoe Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 2:48 AM

  151. If Obama loses, I won't be one of the suicides.

    Posted by: prof marcia Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 3:10 AM

  152. I will be sad if he loses only because the alternative seems so impalpable and disastrous for the future of our country. It's amazing to me even now to think that the USA has survived 8 years of that idiot Bush. Of course "survived" is a loaded word. Look at the economy, look at the wars, look at the health care crisis.

    Can McCain be any worse that Bush? I don't know... He sure doesn't seem capable of being any better and that's saying something.

    Posted by: EuroTom Author Profile Page | August 3, 2008 3:26 AM

  153. The World Rolled Over -
    MIT announced it yesterday ....

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5889/710b

    'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm

    This is the biggest news any of us will ever read , make no mistake about it .

    Here's what MIT announced yesterday ..... for your house in just a few years :

    You have a solar power plant on your roof , or a wind plant that does the same thing.
    You use that electricity to make 2 things.

    1-Oxygen
    2 - Hydrogen
    From water in a closed system.

    If you can make these two things at your house (Cheaply) , you can do just what the men bound for the moon had in 1969. But your fuel cells are 39 years better.

    Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 3, 2008 5:12 AM

  154. If I'm right, the bottom will fall out of the oil markets the day they see this as well.

    Posted by: Dutton Peabody | August 3, 2008 5:19 AM

  155. McCain would be worse than bush because the ubiquitous "they" will ride him like an old ford truck...Mac wouldnt even know a Tenth part of what goes on around him............sad sad sad.............maybe comparable to US Grant?

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 3, 2008 5:35 AM

  156. go into a bar and find someone to show the trick to......take a glass of beer and set it on the bar......show a fifty cent piece for inspection and hold it over the glass......cover glass and coin with handkerchief........have the mark grasp the coin thru the handkerchief and drop it into the glass and then remove the cloth......coin is clearly visible in bottom of glass......then vye-ola, remove the glass and the coin is left on the bar.

    any guesses as to how?

    Posted by: sturgeone | August 3, 2008 6:51 AM

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