Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I've got the ticket! Obama - Huckabee!!

Craig,

I see your point about "taking command of" Hillary's destiny being "the best way for Obama to stay in charge", but you are forgetting about one very crucial element in this equation: Bill.

What does Obama do about HIM? Just because Hillary would be on the ticket (which I hope does not happen by the way), how to you cage a metaphorical beast? Bill Clinton will ALWAYS make it about him, and Hillary if she's there too, but mostly him.

http://thepajamapundit.com/

Dexter@12:05 AM

Dex, your analysis of McGovern Eagleton was so right as is your extrapolation to this year's campaign. Well done!

Hey Craig,

How's is going with your plumbago you showed us in the springtime "there will be growth" video? Did you say it's late-summer bloomer? I read here in Wiki it's also thought to be an old-time cure for lead poisoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumbago

Hi Craig,

I agree with you that choosing Hillary would reflect extremely well on Obama.
I had a post already this morning on this exact topic!

I was watching Dan Abrams today and I was shocked that all three
pundits on his show, Pat Buchanan, Roy Seacrest (a super Clinton
hater from Huffington Post) and Christa someone, an editor of a financial
journal, all agreed that Hillary Clinton would be the best VP choice.

It's odd that suddenly now that Obama is sinking in the polls and the
excitement about him is waning, the media is suddenly touting Hillary
Clinton as the wisest choice for Obama's VP.

Abrams and Buchanan both said that if Obama chose Hillary, he would show
strength and confidence.

It makes a lot of sense. If Obama picked Hillary he would look smart in allowing the Clintons to have such prominence at the convention--since she
would be on the ticket with him. Also, all the divisions in the Dem party would
be forgotten and forgiven.

It's a win-win.

As a Hillary supporter, I'm not sure how I feel about her being on the ticket.On the one hand, I think she should have top spot and I don't want her to be viewed as following three steps behind Obama. On the other hand, the reality would probably be that Hillary is running the show. Obama would be the figurehead--he can be the guy smiling for the cameras and taking all the credit when things are going well--a role that suits him. Maybe this could work.

Pajama Pundit,

Haven't we had enough of the media contrived cliche crapolla, "But, what
will he do about Bill?" It's such a non-starter.

What Obama should do about Bill is hope that Bill will enthusiastically
support him and use all Bill's superstar charisma and political
expertise and savvy to put him in office.

Rest in peace, Stephanie Tubbs Jones.

She was one of Hillary's most effective supporters. Tubbs Jones had
an infectious smile that lit up the television screen. I admired her loyalty and
courage in steadfastly supporting Clinton in spite of the political ramifications for her. I will miss her.

Good Morning everyone!

Prof Marcia -- Yay! on your remarks about what to do about Bill. You're exactly right about how Obama would be wise to use Bill's superstar charisma to help him win.

We need to keep saying it.

It's petty and foolish for the Obama team to keep rejecting the Clintons.

A reverse of last night's question: If you are an Obama supporter and you don't want Hillary as VP, what will you do if he picks her?

Get 3 friends to register to vote and get a free Sheryl Crow cd by digital download.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_en_mu/people_sheryl_crow;_ylt=AjZQ.qkfjKG089oKlzRP9FJxFb8C

No news yet on my parents...But am trying to stay cool.
Anyone any news for me on damges that fay is bringing?

Jason -- it sounds bad in FL -- I have a friend who started driving from Tennessee to Key West yesterday and it stunned me. I have to believe this is a terrible time to make that drive!

Interesting editorial from a self-confessed Obama cheerleader in Boston Herald today:

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view/2008_08_21_Obama%E2%80%99s_not_over_the_Hill_yet_____he_might_still_need_her_to_win/

In the years between earning his M.A. and his Ph.D., Owen taught briefly at Davidson College and Elon College. During a four-year stint as an associate professor at Stetson University in Florida, he published his first poetry collection, and founded Impetus, the literary magazine which would evolve into the Southern Poetry Review. In 1960, he published his first novel, Season of Fear, a Depression-era story set in a rural community.

Another Stetson University guy.

jason, this link might give you some info on what's happening in that area
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/sfl-hurricane-fay,0,6225324.story
hope mom and dad are safe and enjoying a post hurricane party with the neighbors

Good Morning! here's a link from Real Clear Politics- Obama Brings a Knife to a Gunfight
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/obama_brings_a_knife_to_a_gunf.html

Jason -- I don't know where your parents are in FL, but it looks like South Florida has calmed down, but Fay is hanging off the coast near Daytona. Here is the Orlando Sentinel link:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Craig -- I hope your parents are okay in all this severe weather.

Frankly, however this whole thing comes out, the Obama Group is a loser for the way they've butchered the Clinton issue. Can you believe that this is the tenor and texture of the first, most important task he had as the presumptive nominee? That we're down to the Convention and all this is still going on?

Whatever shock and awe accompanied the upset during the Primary has dissipated in the current General Election reality and raises the question(s): Do these guys really know what they're doing and do they deserve to win?

Confidence without confirmation is arrogance!

Here's a fun one-Hillary's Hellions Chaos In Works For Convention

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08212008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/hillarys_hellions_125391.htm

oldsea,

I heard yesterday on CNN and MSN that even now 50% of those who supported Hillary are either definitely not voting for Obama or are still not sure if they'll vote
at all. That's a significant number of Democrats.

I was listening to last nights cable news channels' political coverage when they covered the segment about how Obama was going to get tough with McCain and then showed clips of supposed new tough talk. I said to myself: "Huh!" That's Tough? In the primary, Obama Group would say we're going to get tough and the Media would then talk about how tough Barack had gotten. Sorry Baby, in the Big Leagues aka the General Election, America has a sense of truth and reality:
It's not enough to proclaim you're getting tough, let's hear it and we'll judge!
It's not enough to declare your patriotism, how have you demonstrated it?
We have your Words of how much you love America, but we have the videos!
Promises of Change without Experience, Past Performance are empty fantasies!
Where's the Beef!

And if Obama proves he can manage the Clintons, voters might actually believe he can handle the Russians, the terrorists and the rest of the tough guys around the world.

: ))

Brillant!

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/clinton-obama-ad/252562/

You are right on target. I am amazed at the number of media pundits (except for you of cource) who don’t ‘get it’, the Hillary Democrate like my wife and I are not mollified by just giving Hillary a prime time speech at the convention. Yes BO needs a game changer and BO needs Hillary now if he wants to win. And agree will show strenght if he picks Hillary. And if BO needs someone with foreign experience, who better than a man with 8 years as President can advise and assist BO better than Bill Clinton. Bo needs to embrace Bill as an asset not as a distraction as his comapign has been doing. Otherwise my wife and I will be part of the 25% of Hillary Dems who be being voting for McCain.

Hello Prof. Marcia, I saw that as well, think I even posted the link for it last night. Sorry about the other day, said I would look for an article- it is August on the vineyard and just too crazy, working many, many hours. Now i can't even remember what the article was about!

Thanks for the links everyone.
No word yet.
We live in Boca Raton.
My ister just called and said, they should be fine. She doesn´t want me to woory. But phone line is out. Can´t get through.....

Anyway,
Bloomberg commentator said, Quote:" if BO gives HRC the VP slot, he is over. She will become the de-facto President, and everyone knows it." End quote

Mel,
will you be voting for mac?
I can´t....Really...I can´t.
But I will sit it out. For sure.....

I particularly enjoyed this quote from the Hellion's link-
Says one founder, Democratic activist Jehmu Greene: "This passion won't go away. Obama and McCain will have to answer to the women of America."

oldsea,

Don't worry about the article. It's the thought that counts.

Jason,

Hope your parents are okay.

As far as Bloomberg's quote, I say, so what if Hillary becomes VP and is then the de-facto president. If Obama is that weak, than Hillary deserved the top job in the
first place.

Mel...I like how you think. And I have heard this same refrain from many. Many have written to the DNC and super delegates with the same info. I have also written on pledge cards about my disatisfaction with the party. If the party does not listen to this 'background noise' of dissatisfaction, it will impact them in the general election. Many Obama supporters had beat the Clinton supporters to a pulp instead of reaching out to the HRC supporters. In the time that Obama has been the presumed nominee, he doesn't apprear to be garnering any more new support. I still have not heard anything from him that helps me to think he will be a dynamic prez who really wants to help the little people. And I do not think being a community organizer is enough to put on the pre-prsidnetial resume. So what if HRC is more powerful, we need it.

prof marcia, you said:

'Haven't we had enough of the media contrived cliche crapolla, "But, what will he do about Bill?" It's such a non-starter.'

I do agree that it's fairly cliche, but I would also argue that it has truth to it. Bill Clinton made it fairly clear that he is uncomfortable, at best, with an Obama presidency in that interview that he did on ABC.

You also said:

'What Obama should do about Bill is hope that Bill will enthusiastically support him and use all Bill's superstar charisma and political expertise and savvy to put him in office. '

I agree with you here as well. Obama should hope that Bill will support him. However, Bill's savvy is not what will put Obama in office. The American people will put him in office -- if McCain and the right-wing machinery don't pull the proverbial wool over our eyes.

http://thepajamapundit.com/

"And if Obama proves he can manage the Clintons, voters might actually believe he can handle the Russians, the terrorists and the rest of the tough guys around the world."

Good point
Read this line to my wife and she loved it.
Professional woman/ strong HRC supporter. It would bring in her enthusiastic support. Right now she will vote Democrat but not with any enthusiasm. That could make the difference in if she votes. If the job requires her attention then she will skip voting. If Clinton is on the ticket she will make the effort.

Jack

" Obama himself put that in motion by giving them so much convention air time -- and a roll call vote for her nomination." Craig Crawford

Craig, I can't tell if you resent Obama doing that (as much as it sounds like you do), or if you simply think it was a stupid move, (??)

But, what I really liked reading was: "...if Obama proves he can manage the Clintons, voters might actually believe he can handle the Russians, the terrorists and the rest of the tough guys around the world."

YES!

Sturge, You kept me entertained this morning. I spent a few minutes watching that chair put itself back together. A good laugh. Next, since I often read the posts backwards, I saw that story about about the economy forcing people to give up their pets. That was sad. And then sad again when I read about Cassandra and the destruction of Troy. But I most especially enjoyed your post on Gordo. Please talk more!
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-is-the-least-boring-vp.html#comment-130595

Warren, your post made LOTS of sense.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-is-the-least-boring-vp.html#comment-130585

Rita, I so much enjoyed your 11:13 PM also.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-is-the-least-boring-vp.html#comment-130551

Posted by: oldseahag
"- Clark got disinvited to the Convention?! "

Sea, I read that about Clark on this site actually, by a couple different posters.

All the late niters (and early am-ers) were really interesting to read. Catching up has been fun. Thanks!

"Read this line to my wife and she loved it."

Jack, I already like your wife!

"...Bill Clinton made it fairly clear that he is uncomfortable, at best, with an Obama presidency in that interview that he did on ABC." Posted by: the Pajama Pundit | August 21, 2008 9:08 AM

Pajamas, Maybe Bill just doesn't want to lie anymore. It's gotten him in a lot of trouble in the past.

Chloe...thanks for the post rehash...there are some really great posts and thoughts on the blog.

I have always thought wondered why 'more' are not tolerant of GORDO (perhaps, it is because his name is all CAPS.). It is his America, too, and although some of his posts really have my eyes rolling in my head, he has posted some true and interesting info. Perhaps it is his National Enquirer mentality that upsets many, but wasn't it the NE that exposed Edwards? Yep, having a GORDO does make for interesting copy once you can get those rolling eyes focused.

Pelosi(D-Mars) is a sorry excuse for a Speaker. The dems keep shooting themselves. This country favors Rep. presidents. Even Carter barely got in. Clinton wins twice and the DNC treats him like a red-headed step child! It's just sooo easy to beat the Dems. They deserve to lose. Get rid of DEAN et al.

Blonde,

Yes, there are really great posts on this blog. I learn a lot, and enjoy them all.

Last night and this morning seemed exceptional. I think it may be because we're talking more about the Clinton's.

BW, Chloe

Gordo has been posting his stuff on here for at least 6 months at any time has he been right about anything?
He isn't even right about what the Republicans are going to use against Obama. What he does is post the most lunatic BS out on the web. When you do that all the time don't be suprised when someone points it out in a rude manner.

Jack

Vanessa

: )

D-Mars!

Jack,

I seldom disagree with you. But there is one thing you said last night that I don't agree with.

I don't think Patsi is angry. Not at all. She simply fights fire with fire. There's a difference.

Jack, I haven't mentioned Gordo's name today.

You are right, Jack, we need him. He was right about Wright.

oops! I guess I did say Gordo once. Sorry.

Gordo has been posting his stuff on here for at least 6 months at any time has he been right about anything?

---jack

Jack.....were the swiftboaters for truth "right" about anything they said about John Kerry?

wow, real people at the convention!
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/category/oliver_burkeman/
But how to guarantee that the Real People sound really real -- just like the unvarnished, regular Americans they are? The AP has the answer: "Professional speechwriters are helping prepare their remarks."

BW
he just promoted the smear as it was happening. That tells me all I need to know about him. Just like yesterday when he posted this weeks rightwing smear with the Annenberg foundation and Ayers. Gordo didn't discuss the smear he just forwarded it whole from his rightwing sites.

Jack

Jack

It's not "right about" which democrats will be fighting in November.....it's the Images produced........like I said dukakis in the tank, dean's "crazy" scream, willie horton, swiftboats for truth, gore invented the internet, a long line of etc-etc images of democratic weakness and duplicity, the barrage of which serves to give republicans grounds upon which to reject democratic....in this case.....obamatic.....values......like gordo likes to point out, it's not the birth certificate, it's the "lying about his muslim past" which he has to fight........the smears, and the defamations.......

pajama,

Bill IS uncomfortable with Obama, so he's just being honest in a tactful way.

My comment had nothing to do with that response, anyway. I was referring to all the smears that were put out during the primary about Bill Clinton. . .and the media caricature which developed into, 'What is Obama going to do with Bill?" that now has become a cliche and has no substance in reality.

As I said, the answer to the mostly rhetorical question you posed is simply-- court Bill Clinton and embrace him as the immensely popular and master politician he is; that's what to do about Bill.

It's up to Obama to erase the doubt
"The buzz about Obama's pick for vice president - expected any day now - is irrelevant background noise. No one votes for second banana. People vote for commander in chief. Leadership and empathy at the top of the ticket matter much more than any consultant's notion of balance at the bottom."

"Only Obama can sell Obama to the American people."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/08/21/its_up_to_obama_to_erase_the_doubt/

All the rules went out the window, during this election. Don't necessarily agree with this article.

Obama’s not over the Hill yet ... he might still need her to win
http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1114212

Jack

I understand, but it helps me understand the smear machine. He is the whipping boy of the blog for just such tactics. But, he brings interest and sleaze to the blog....and there is always a thread of truth in the slime or else it wouldn't work so well. Yep, it is taking a small truth and morphing it into an elaborate lie.

And one more point, the G-man, is practicing free speech. Who are we to control him? We can only control our own mind. I like to eat junk food sometimes.

Sturge

What you are loosing track of,
---Gordo is a swift boat helper.----
he adds nothing to the smears he picks up on rightwing sites, except to constantly promote the smears.

Jack

YUP!
They are ok....... :-)
the odd couple has been localized and they are fine.....WHEW!

Ubris: I disagree that Obama would let Hillary (if she is VP) run the show. He appears to me to be strongly opinionated, wilflul and stubborn, along with his wife Michelle.

Prof marcia: I agree with you "suddenly now that Obama is sinking in the polls,", etc. I have always felt that Obama is holding off to the last moment to announce his VP choice, based on the polls and whether he NEEDS Hillary based on that.

Has anyone read the latest Maureen Dowd op piece with her make-believe secret meeting between Hillary and McCain? I am sick of that women. I wish she would just start her column with, "I hate Hillary and Bill Clinton" and here is my latest assertion.

I dont think any of the people here are liable to be swayed by or believe in any of the nonsense Gordo posts.....it's the ones who are not here, but "out there".........Gordo is serving no purpose here save alerting those who are also here as to what to look for coming down the pike from the gop.........it's like listening to rush limbo, which I also have to do sometimes when I work with a particularly goof-ball gop friend of mine and he brings his high powered boom box along to enlighten everyone......

Vanessa,

You're right, of course. The DNC does need an overhaul!

Maureen Dowd is the Anne Coulter of the left.

"Who are we to control him?:

And what is there to fear? If someone wants to believe that stuff, they can find it on their own easily enough. No one is going to look at one of his links, and think: Oh no, I didn't know that. I can't vote for Obama now.

Give people enough credit to filter through the information that's constantly coming at them.

Hi chloe,

I agree that the posts the last two days have been thoughtful and
especially interesting. But, I suspect, for me, it's because the subject
has been the Clintons and, for once, no body was trashing them (quite
refreshing).

Hi Marcia, I agree.

Sorry Sturge I wish you were right but Gordo has groupies on this blog that are buying into his crap.

BW
Free speech is a two edged sword. It doesn't just swing one way.

I'm out of here, see yall later.

Jack

" Obama would be the figurehead--he can be the guy smiling for the cameras and taking all the credit when things are going well--a role that suits him"

Despite being an enthusiastic Clinton supporter, I actually have a higher opinion of Obama than this. He is a brilliant idea person who likes to outline the lofty dreams and goals. The world needs that sort of person. Coming behind them you need the workhorses, the people who can put the ideas into practice or to cool the flames a bit with practicality. It is a team effort but both parties have to be committed to the future and the solutions to the problems they see.

This is one of the major reasons I always throught the "dream team" would be a perfect combo.

Jack...I do not buy into the G-mans crap...I find it comic just like the rest of the right wing noise machine. And it is free (albeit crappy) speech which I defend no matter how distasteful or funny it may seem to others.

Jack, I hope you didn't take offense to our disagreeing.

Jack.....well....you could be right also, of course....I just figure anyone who believes the right wing nonsense after the last eight abyssmal years is already an unrepentant right winger.....

theresa43,

LOL at your Maureen Dizzy Dowd's "I hate Hillary and Bill Clinton"
inner voice.

I can't help but think all that vitriol is personal. I'm thinking she's
jealous of Hillary's success and is secretly lusting after Bill or maybe
Bill rebuffed her advances at a cocktail party.

Ditto from Chloe's message, Jack. I like how you think and enjoy your posts.

I hope that obama is stronger than the "fear the clintons" folks would have everyone believe. He's going to have to be......clintons or no clintons.

PM

About 3 years ago, when Dowd was on IMUS, she did stated it amazed her how powerful HRC was when she walked in to a room. Men would fawn over her...it seemed to piss her (Dowd) off. I agree with the jealousy thing.

Blonde wino,

Wow! That's interesting. I knew I was on to something.

mornin' all,

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130673

And then there are those of us who just wish Gordo would shut the hell up or go to some site other than the internets version of the Enquirer.

Yup, Maureen has whatever the female commenter version of a boner is for the Clintons. When she was trashing Dumya, I was in her corner - now that she's joined the dem circular firing squad, she drives me nuts.

I'm watching CNN and it looks like Denny Hastert --now a consultant to a light bulb company (?) is no longer big Denny
and might be giving skinny Dennis a run for his money on size

Sturg...do you think Obama has gone across the aisle to work with Hillary's people? Gone to Florida and Michigan instead of Germany? To me, Obama hasn't reached out to the alienated dems...instead he is reaching out to repugs, europeans and indies.

OK
trash is on thr curb and tools are loaded
I had to sneek one last peek.
BW Chloe
not offended at all, not even agitated yet;-)

I usually believe ignoring sillyness is the best policy but that also runs the risk that silence means approval.

I do need to get some work done today.

I'll look in at lunch
later
Jack

"some site other than the internets version of the Enquirer"

LOL pogo. I knew there was some reason I liked this place so much.

Good Jack.

You had me worried.

the only thing I can intuit about obama and clinton is the feeling that they have worked something out between them.....I havent seen any "reaching out" towards the hillary supporters from either Obama or from his supporters.

"listening to rush limbo"
sturge, you listen to rash slimeball?

jack, the crap to which you refer is not gordo's... he just links it. i, however, find it helpful to be aware of the whole spectrum from ditzy left to nutty right.

off the subject. is it just me or does the olympic "bird's nest" bldg look like a bedpan wrapped in rubber bands?

To me, it seems so simple to win the election by bringing the HRC folks into the fold. No better way to do so by offering the VP spot. The demographics are just about right. And I am tired of clinging to my guns and religion and fear of black men.

No reaching out from the Obama supporters? You Clinton folks are the NEEDIEST followers of a losing candidate I've ever seen.

"I want you, to want me. I need you, to need me..."

"they have worked something out between them..."

Now, if we only knew what that is.

Yeah
no reaching out to the Clintons..Obama and co. continue to bash the Clintons to gin up their base.

Mr. D,

You really know how to enter a room.

Come on peeps,
He will not reach out...He is doing the customary things...like Hillary is doing what is being asked.

BO is doing it HIS way, not the conventional way.
I applaud him for that.
The problem is....he will not make it to the end. Playing the second Clinton era just in the cards...

I say to you: sit back, and relax..Soon the phone will ring: "Houston, we got a problem."

well there he is.....the militant obama supporter's poster boy with his own fabled brand of "reaching out".

lol

By the way...formerly Fat Denny said the best vp choice for McBush is Loserman or Romney

And a board full of delusional Clintonites who somehow feel that burning through hundreds of millions of campaign dollars is the responsibility of Obama supporters to repay. So we're even.

"And I am tired of clinging to my guns and religion and fear of black men."

Truly laughing out loud Blonde.
Have you considered therapy.
Worked for me.

Well KG,
it ill be another blow for BO if JmC names Mitt Romney as his Co....
That will show once again how unity has progressed in the repugs and not in the dem party........

Mr. D...just typical, needy Americans. Just the type Obama supporters seem to hate so much. When you get lonely on that isolated, elitist Obama island, you know where to find us.

Bottom line, Obama looks like he needs the HRC folks now because his poll numbers are looking so NOT winner-like! Against, an old repug, no less!

Hey, bye bye.....the operative words would be "board FULL of ........Clintonites". Take Heed of Full Boards.

Mr. D...it is always about the money with you!

Jason, I would bet anything that McCain will choose Romney. (at least, if he's smart).

And Romney has been a governor...finally some executive experience.

Jason

When Romney dropped out I thought it was a bid to be vp and I still think he is the choice --although I think Tom Ridge or Christy Todd Whitman would be better in the long run for the GOP but I hope the GOP implodes so maybe McBush will go with the Huckster

well....no more fighting on here for me......gone gone.

Obama: In Need of a Game Changer
"Say what you will about Republicans making a muddle of governing, but they sure know how to campaign. The turn of events that John McCain and his team have engineered in recent weeks is one of the most significant events of the campaign and now poses a serious threat of an upset this fall."
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/20/obama-in-need-of-a-game-changer/

Sturge,

The local mental heath hospital is full of the insane. Doesn't make it a great place to stay, although I should ask Patsi about that. Blonde wino, these are pre-convention numbers. Take no heed. You might as well look at college football polls and predict who'll be #1 by election time and have more accuracy. Things don't count until after the conventions.

I think the evangelicals will accept a Morman before a pro-choice VP candidate.

"Mr. D...it is always about the money with you!"

must not be about $$, bw, since she can bring $26 mil with her to help the big o in the ge. she's already helped pull in a hunk of cash in fundraisers for o.

Chloe -- you're right. I'm not generally angry. I do get incredibly pissed off at stupid crap like sometimes is posted. And I do respond. That's why certain people on here call me names worse than anything I have ever called anyone. They despise women who dare question their BS.

If you'll notice....among the men on here, several who aren't married....sturge, Jason, Tony, ET and others, like women with opinions....and guys like Pogo, Jack and Flatus are married to strong minded women, and they adore their wives for it. And I am in their fan club for it.

One thing that stuns me is that one "man" yesterday sneered at what I do for a living, saying I did that job poorly. Unbelievable that this board has sunk to that level. Especially since that individual wouldn't read a book about country music if water boarded.

You know, even though Burrito and I disagree on much, I loved the painting she did and displayed on her web site. And I mentioned it here. There's something incredibly low class about yesterday's grasp for insults. And yes, that pissed me off.

One more thought about what I do for a living. I edited a feminist magazine for nearly ten years. My kids and I damn near starved. Writing in the entertainment industry allowed me to make a living, not a great one, but I got two children through college on my own. I make no apologies for my profession.

Mr. D

Since the reagan years, the streets are full of insane people.

Blondie "Romney has been a governor ... finally some executive experience" Following up on yesterday's old Chinese proverbs, be careful what you wish for - Dumya was a governor, Reagan was a governor ....

Patsi...no matter what, you are a great writer. Venue doesn't matter.

Furthermore, the person who questions my job is afraid to be identified and point to ANYTHING he has done professionally. Though he claims to be a hot shot.

Pogo....good point. I am full from too many Senators this season.

Patsi,

Thanks for sharing all of that.

I didn't see the post you were talking about, but I am aware how mean some people here are.

I have nothing but respect for you. And respect for your profession. Of course, I, like you, know how many men hate strong minded women. But that's their problem. You are one of the best things about TrailMix.

Blonde wino,

We can agree on that. I see that Patsi has joined us, in her usual Sally Sunshine manner.

Hey Blonde Wino -- I have Evangelical -- hard-shell Baptist friends and they are absolutely anti-Mormon. It's pretty bad -- they consider LDS to be a cult and they don't even let their kids play at Mormon homes. I think they would be more accepting of a Muslim than a Mormon.

For me, putting Romney the GOP ticket would provide some comfort for me -- even though I'm not voting GOP. I think of Romney's 4th quarter conservative conversion as more for political expedience than anything else. I think he's got good economic sense which is something this country needs.

"Furthermore, the person who questions my job is afraid to be identified and point to ANYTHING he has done professionally. Though he claims to be a hot shot.'

As far as I'm concerned, he can STFU.

re bedpan wrapped in rubber bands
see model in design section shown at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium

You too Mr. D.

Ah, Mr. D

I prefer my salmon wild....the farm raised variety is mushy and contains toxic elements. Yep, feed me the wild anyday. Might be why I really like Patsi...she is the real thing and wild.

So are rabid dogs, Blonde wino. So are rabid dogs.

patd -- that's a funny link -- I also thought that the stadium looked more like a toilet bowl than a bird's nest.

Ah, Mr. D

Rabid dogs are sick, not wild.

Obviously time for me to sign off....

LOL at the discussion yesterday about IT geeks. Mrs. P ordered a nice Gateway One computer a few months ago to replace our aging home computer. Despite no warnings to the contrary, it is unable to deal with smaller disks - it took one into the drive just fine and then couldn't eject it, and the computer would cough about halfway through the startup process and shut itself down. I called Gateway, got their best idea about how to get the disk out - the hole they suggested was an emergency eject mechanism didn't exist - in short they were worthless and suggested taking it to the experts (term used advisedly) at Firedog - they kept it for a week and decided it was too difficult to disassemble to get the disk out - so they gave it back, disk still in drive. Before sending it to Gateway I decided to give it the old college try (knowing nothing about the computer or disk drive other than what I could gather by looking at it) so I fashioned a high tech extraction tool - (a straightened paper clip with a little hook on the end) - stuck it into the drive, turned it to fit into the hole in the center of the disk, and pulled it out - and the disk drive and computer worked fine. So much for computer experts for me. I work with systems guys all the time at our firm, in house and contracted, and I find that they think they know a lot more about what they are doing than they actually know. I'm sure there are some good ones out there - if anyone runs across one, let me know.

Not if they're feral.

Ah, Mr. D

Hairsplitting....a domesticated fido can also get rabies. Weak analogy on your part.

Hi Patsi -- You wonderful, smart, witty, sharp, sensible, talented, bewitching woman you!

As a professional writer, what do your think of Obama's writing? I ask because I was stunned when my SIL, who is also a professional writer, said she was sold on Obama because she thought he was a great writer. I've skimmed his books and they seem like they were ghost-written -- as are so many politician's books -- and the ghost writer doesn't get credit. As you probably know, that is a popular way some autobios get written in the DC area-- with uncredited ghost writers.

Can't you just say something once in a while.

You must be the nicest person in 'real life'.
That's the only reason I can imagine that you come here ONLY to say mean things and to hurt as many people as possible.
You must keep it all inside until you're so mad you could bust.

that was to Mr. D.

Chloe...perhaps Mr. D has rabies.

"Patsi -- You wonderful, smart, witty, sharp, sensible, talented, bewitching woman you!"

I second that!

"Gordo has been posting his stuff on here for at least 6 months at any time has he been right about anything?"

Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | August 21, 2008 9:40 AM
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I've been WARNING about what the Repubs will do AFTER a SoetorObama nomination. They are waiting for him to be nominated. Got that. It's after the nomination - not before - when they will begin their serious attacks on him. We will find out if I'm correct about the Repub plans. It will not be much longer - the foundation has been prepared, the attacks have started. The Repubs don't have to lie about him. The TRUTH from his "hidden" past will be devastating. I realize this "stuff" seems fantastic. The Repubs like to target a Dem's character - they have more than enough ammo on SoetorObama.
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sturgeone --------------------------------

I'm not in SC - was quoting someone from SC.

I might, Blonde Wino.

"Chloe...perhaps Mr. D has rabies."

Then we'd better keep our distance.

Mr. D., Have you had your shots?

"I'm not in SC - was quoting someone from SC."

Gordo, where are you?

I've been WARNING about how Obama will lose to CLINTON in the primary. There's no possible way he can be nominated. Got that. The TRUTH about Barack 'Peter Parker" Obama "hidden" past will be devastating since his blood is radioactive. I realize this "stuff" seems fantastic. But I'm crazy, so who cares!

bye, bye, actually rabid feral dogs would be both sick and wild, buy definition.

Im married......over 30 yrs.......she takes no prisoners......

B-Bye.....as for your faith and your insane asylums:

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

and for you:
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.

--FWNietzsche

Cool, then that adequately describes Patsi. Okay, that's my last Patsi shot for the hour.

Mr. D

symptoms?

https://ssl.search.live.com/health/article.aspx?id=articles%2fmc%2fpages%2f1%2fDS00484.html&qu=Rabies+In+Humans

sturg, you do crack me up. Thanks.

What's In a Poll?
"There's an old saying in show business: No one knows anything."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/whats_in_a_poll.html

Sturg...Nietzsche is peachy.

"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one."

That'll be my thought for the day.

"Patsi -- You wonderful, smart, witty, sharp, sensible, talented, bewitching woman you!"

sign me up for the fan club.

Mr. D entered this blog pissed off and abusive. Nothing has changed other than his name. Still no real useful content just name calling and blather.

Well, off to the road again. Later, perhaps.

Mr. D,
Jack pointed out how nice it was when you were just talking and sharing your ideas the other day. I really enjoyed it too and hope you'll continue to do so.

chloe.....the first half of the quote is :

when you look look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks long into you......and those who would fight monsters should beware that in the process they do not become one.......

Thanks Sturgeone.
That's why it's my thought for the day.
I know it's right.

Sturg...creeps me out to have the abyss looking 'back at ya'...what a powerful phrase.

I really wonder about those Obama books. They really seem like a ghost writer had a hand in them. Definitely for polishing, if not writing the entire manuscript.

One day the person who actually did the writing will be able to come out of the contractual shadows and claim the work he/she did.

Isn't Obama picking Clinton as his VP akin to seeing you ex girlfriend after 10 years, seeing that neither of you is married and deciding to shack up since he/she is at least "familiar"?

Bear...my neighbor brought his first wife to live with him after his second wife had died. Strange, but true.

I work with systems guys all the time at our firm, in house and contracted, and I find that they think they know a lot more about what they are doing than they actually know. I'm sure there are some good ones out there - if anyone runs across one, let me know. Posted by: pogo
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130733

pogo, I missed this post of yours while you were still here.
I've come to the same conclusion. A few times we have taken our computers to the BestBuy geek squad to look at and they don't seem to have any ideas on how to solve our problems. The last two times we've done this, we've brought it back with us and solved the problem ourselves. (you can find a lot of answers just looking on line.)

Alicia

"There has been speculation that Kennedy used a ghost-writer - at least in part - to write his book."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiles_in_Courage

"I really wonder about those Obama books. They really seem like a ghost writer had a hand in them. Definitely for polishing, if not writing the entire manuscript."

Alicia! I've wondered the same thing.
I've always thought they were carefully written with the idea that he would be running for President. Why would someone so young write two books about themselves before they were well known.

Brain...remember Obama's political ambitions started in kindergarten. : )

Bear

It could be taking a second look and finally figuring out that you had it right the first time and blew it.

"It could be taking a second look and finally figuring out that you had it right the first time and blew it."

Obama's choice will tell us so much about him.
If he were to choose Hillary, to me it would tell me he's realistic, doesn't hold grudges, willing to honor her 18 million voters, and so on.

Light another joint, B. He had early political ambitions...was meant to take a light hearted approach to phony bs.

Jason...

Found this link to Fay's impact in the Boca Raton area. Hope it's helpful. There's more if you google 'Boca Raton, Florida Fay damage'.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpfaylocal0820pnaug20,0,5760592.story

Wino, He didn't have to pay a ghost writer.
It would have been paid by the politicians behind him.
This was long planned and started in Chicago.

Blonde, didn't mean to call you Wino. You're just blonde to me.

Because, no matter how eloquent, how persuasive, I think Obama is a phony. A contrived, PR candidate as designed by Axelrod. Reminds me of that awful Pacino movie...Simone.

"no matter how eloquent, how persuasive, I think Obama is a phony. A contrived, PR candidate as designed by Axelrod. Reminds me of that awful Pacino movie...Simone."

Blonde, as soon as began to read the first sentence of your post, I was thinking about that movie. I'm so glad you compared that!

Hey Bry Bry
read the signature..not leader of the blog
as for petty childish crap you are the leader of that

Hmmm-- maybe he wrote the first book and worked with a ghot writer for the second one? I just noticed that there are differences in the "voices" from one book to the next -- and also in his speeches. I just picked up on the dissonance and wondered about it that's all.

A lot of politicians use uncredited ghost writers, nothing wrong with it.

"I've always thought they were carefully written with the idea that he would be running for President. Why would someone so young write two books about themselves before they were well known."

Posted by: chloe Author Profile Page | August 21, 2008 11:42 AM
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This question has been answered - none of you would believe it. Things like this don't just happen. Investigate his life, but don't use his writings or anything based on them as a source. He is a "creation" - the facts from his "hidden" past prove this.

I've always thought that putting on the old shoes for dressy occasions is a sign of desperation or lack of preparation...

I can't wait for the Oliver Stone movie!

Were any of these wonderful written masterpieces ever submitted to the Pulitzer Committee? If not, why not? Can't believe no one ever thought of it.

Old shoes are broken-in and comfy....and most of us live casual in this country...dress shoe are shoes only worn for show not support.

when all you have is faith.......why can you not speak without insults? state your faith and go get your stupid abcess scraped.....quit insulting people with your inane imagined superiority.

It is enough to make me think that the "Mentors" were in the background even as early as 1995 smoothing the way. Not necessarily a bad thing, but worth looking into for the sake of influences and understanding his focus and ambitions.
Posted by: Jamie | August 21, 2008 12:00 PM

Exactly Jamie.
The planning doesn't mean anything sinister.
Just that it was well planned.

Another gem Sturge.

".....all you have is your faith."

Some would call it faith, others would call it illusion.

It's funny to see the visceral negative reactions that people have against Obama. Where McCain needs a ghost writer, Obama is being blasted for writing his own books.

No one questions McCain's judgment on anything because he's was a POW. Never mind that his actions led to him becoming a POW, that's besides the point...

He was for invading Iraq in October 2001 when he was on TV linking Anthrax attacks against Democratic Senators to Saddam Hussein. (Does that mean Saddam was a Republican too?)

He declared victory in Iraq soon after the Mission Accomplished banner went up. Heck he even used that banner as the reason to declare victory.

He did not come out against the Bush handling of the war until it was politically expedient to do so in 2006.

He is trying to make everything about the surge without accepting the following facts:

* Had he not supported the flawed Bush plan to invade with a force that was too small, the progress to be made in Iraq could have happened much more quickly. It should be noted that the Generals that were dismissed from pre war planning advocated a force size that was double to post surge size.

* Had we finished the job in Afghanistan, we would have captured Bin Laden and dealt a death blow to Al Qaeda. They cynic in me says this was intentionally done to have a trump card for future elections.

*** WHERE IS THERE AN EXAMPLE OF MCCAIN'S GOOD JUDGMENT? EVERYONE KNEW THE PRESIDENT WAS INCOMPETENT AND YET HE TRUSTED HIM TO PROSECUTE THIS WAR?***

To his credit, Obama, Feingold, Jack Reed, Wellstone and the others in that small minority were right.

A stopped clock is correct twice a day and people are falling for McCain's efforts to say it's always 1:45 ESGT

Didn't O's mother die in 1995? I read that he was sorry couldn't come to her deathbed because he was busy launching his political career? He said he didn't realize she was that sick.

gotta get some work done.
Thanks everyone.

Jamie ------------------------

"It is enough to make me think that the "Mentors" were in the background even as early as 1995 smoothing the way."

BINGO !!!

You are starting to figure this out. Go back even further.

Clue: Mika

Well, pus, cysts, salmon, rabid dogs....I have worked-up quite the appetite. Must seek food.

Have a great day, all!

Bear -- McCain = First rate Schmuck

Bear -- McCain = Wife-Cheater

Alicia Knight: So you make an accusation that Obama used a ghost writer without proof, except her "hunch". Then she throws out that Obama couldn't come to his mother's deathbed because he was launching his political career.

No, you Clinton folks are nothing but fine and fair. You never denigrate Obama. You're just here to uplift Hillary.

By 1995, Obama was already in Chicago for four years, and deciding to run for political office.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/archive/barackobama/

Here is a commercial for the DNC or Obama:

"Do you want this man creating America's tax policy"

Cut to clips of McCain:

-saying $5 millon a year is rich

-saying he does not even know how many houses he owns

"The answer - if you don't have $5 million dollars or multiple homes - should be NO"

Watching a Barakumentary on CNN last night. BO got frustrated when the changes in his community work weren't happening as he expected them to...so he quit?

Perhaps it was just youthful innocence, but since he hasn't had much to support his claims of change in America (I'm sure has folks to flesh out the pesky details for him), I wonder if he could've stuck it out the way Hil'ry did when people were calling for her to back down for weeks and weeks?

Obama was credited for getting Carol Moseley-Braun to the US Senate in 1992 due to his organizing work as head of Project Vote. He was already rubbing elbows with powerful people.

Gail Collins on the VP coverage...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/opinion/21collins.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Warren - McCain=Evil Doom-meister of the Middle Class

GORDO'S EVIL TWIN -----------------------------------------

So you acknowledge that I'm GOOD and you're EVIL? And you're a SoetorObama supporter. Thanks for your honesty.

Does anyone else think the face at the top of the letterhead - the first one, that says essential 2 good guys - looks like either King Tut or Nefertiti? well, I mean the busts of them? I'm not that old!
Nefertiti is one of my favorite faces to look at. Some faces are meant to be looked at. Stephanie tubbs Jones was, also. I just realized, looking at her picture yesterday, that I do love plain flat looking at some faces -
Paul Newman for instance.

Gordo

Again this is not some deep dark secret nefarious plot. Anyone who has been around politics for more than a season knows that the hunt goes on all the time for viable candidates who can be groomed for future success.

You can approve or disapprove of these movers and shakers who make things happen, but some vile plot for world dominion is rarely in the cards. It's more likely to be where they can find their next billion.

Raw meat for Bear --

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_betrayal.htm

Bear

This is hardly a hot bed of McCain enthusiasts. The only reason we are talking about Obama instead of McCain is because we are trying to get to know him well enough to trust him with the highest office in the country.

McCain doesn't get a message because most people here have already rejected him. Sometimes not being talked about is a very, very bad sign.

Tra-la y'all -- Taking the afternoon off to ride the roller coasters with the kiddos! Play nice!

McCain should go with Romney. He needs to redifine the Republican base. It's not the right-wingnuts afraid of LDS. Somebody who knows how to grow the economy before there aren't more than 3 folks left in our tax base. Folks need to realize we don't have the luxury of worring about wedge/social issues right now; they're distracting from more pressing needs.

Jamie --------------------------------

"Again this is not some deep dark secret nefarious plot.

... but some vile plot for world dominion is rarely in the cards."

=================================

It is and it is.

Bear,

You wrote that mccain always wants it to be 1:45 ESGT. What is ESGT?

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light

"The cloak of media invisibility is slowly beginning to lift from Barack Obama's most important administrative leadership experience, helming an expensive educational reform effort in Chicago ...

... former Weatherman and admitted terrorist William Ayers (whom Obama described in the Philadelphia debate as merely a "neighbor") was head of the operating arm of the CAC, working with Obama on distributing scores of millions of dollars to grantees in the wards of the city, and you have a topic that the Obama campaign wishes to avoid at all costs."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah

Proof that just like Osama Bin Laden, Putin prefers a Republican in the White House...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26331771/

what's reputation of chi trib? hard right? who owns it? how much power does it wield? here's an article from it today re some of the stuff posted lately:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-ayers-thurs-21-aug21,0,2127435,print.column
one of gordo's predictions shows up in this excerpt "The relationship between the ambitious Obama and the unrepentant Ayers is a subject that excites Republicans, who haven't really thwacked that pinata as hard as they might."

MD

does it worry you that the obama campaign are letting the Anenberg stuff snow ball. It should be easy to counter yet just like the Reverend Wright blowup they seem frozen.

lol
Obama sat on the board of a nonprofit that was developing ground breaking education strategies for inner city youth.

Hell personaly I would deal with the devil himself if we could fix the Kansas city school district.

Jack

Patd
If you would wonder over to the national review you know that they have been helping Stanley Kurtz with this for several weeks. It is why I gave the link to the corner web site.

Jack

wonder if "thwacking the pinata" will become as useful as "jumping the shark" lexiconically speaking?

Speaking of the National Review.

I regularly read "The Campaign Stop"
It is the only blog over there that doesn't engage in gross stupidity IMO. The Corner blog is just unreadable with it's over the top stupidity.
BTW, Clinton mania must be in the air, he is speculating on HRC as VP too.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

Jack

Here is the direct link to the Clinton musings I mentioned above

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODc0MDAwZTBmMTA2OTM2NmJhMDRiNGE1YWU4ODk5NDg=

Jack

thanks jack, but my questions re chi tri concern it's standing/power. is it on par with wash times, ny post, enquirer??? in other words is it considered even unfit for mullet wrapping by sane people?

Patd

ya got to be colorful if you are going to write about Chicago politics.

"thwacking the pinata"
A good description don't you think?

Jack

With Stephanie Tubbs Jones being so out there for Hillary, wouldn't it have been nice for Hillary to not just issue a statement, but come on camera to show her appreciation? Rep. Tubbs Jones put her political capital at risk. It could have been a classy thing to do.

From what I understand they are on the level of the LA Times. A large city daily paper, not trying to be the nations paper like the WAPO or NYT. I don't think they are a mouthpiece like the Wash times. But I don't know their editorial slant. I think the Sun-times (the other large Chicago Daily) has been the paper to break some of the negative stories on Obama.

Jack

MD

She is busy campaigning for Obama in Florida today

Jack

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
... next SoetorObama scandal on the way

"It’s the same thing with his lies about BAIPA — these documents will contradict recent statements he’s made, and he’ll be further shown to be the prevaricator we know him to be ...

From what we hear on the ground here in Chicago, there’s something big erupting relating to these papers, BAIPA, and the sudden, odd retirement of State Senate President Emile Jones (SoetorObama’s mentor, and ladder to his US Senate seat). And, all of this is connected to Tony Rezko somehow, but it’s a complicated web prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is still working on, making progress daily, with perhaps new developments come October."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/lisa-madigan-to-the-rescue-next-soetorobama-scandal-on-the-way/

Don't mind me. I'm actually not here.

Democratic National Convention 101
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/21/2008-08-21_democratic_national_convention_101.html

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 21, 2008 1:55 PM

Maybe if you had your head out of your ass you wouldn't say so many stupid things

L.A. Times: 'But I don't know their editorial slant.'

It's highly liberal. Beautifully written .
One of the bes papers in the Country, Many awards.

It's ALL connected...you hear me. The crazy CAPITOLS in the middle of my posts. The combo name I USE for Obama. CONspirACy. And it's all going to come OUT now. NOW i say.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I HATE Hillary, blah, blah, blah, blah

Welcome back bye, bye - I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

For Convention, Obama’s Image Is All-AmericanWASHINGTON — One of the first images prime-time viewers will see of the Democratic National Convention next week is that of Michelle Obama, who will begin the four-day introduction of her husband, and her family, on her terms.

But, aides say, another important task is uniting the party after a bruising primary between Mr. Obama, the potential first African-American nominee, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, the potential first female nominee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/us/politics/18convention.html?

More on Hillary's FL schedule
Hillary Clinton will meet with the Sheet Metal Workers Internatl at Disney tomorrow morning, though it's not a public event. She holds a rally for Barack Obama at FAU in Boca early afternoon, then a late afternoon rally at King's Point in Tamarac before hitting a private fundraiser in Miami.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130846

You're a jerk, you are just a crazy optimist. :-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20/rep-tubbs-jones-in-hospit_n_120121.html

"Although she backed Barack Obama in June, [Stephanie] Tubbs Jones has said Obama can't win unless Clinton's supporters rally behind him.

"She is a passionate and tireless advocate for the people of Cleveland and a devoted public servant for all Americans," Obama said in a statement. "We send our heartfelt prayers to Stephanie and her family at this very difficult time."

Right, bye, bye, the sainted one issued a statement as well, despite her having backed him as well.

McCain unsure how many houses he owns
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12685.html

Craig: Obama himself put that in motion by giving them so much convention air time -- and a roll call vote for her nomination.

Craig, I know you probably didn't mean anything by this, but for others in the media who have made similar statements and who I don't trust as much -- it really raises the hackles of HRC supporters to hear that it was HIS decision to LET HER be part of the roll call. The roll call is a tradition at the Democratic Convention since the 1800s and for anyone to act like she is just being petulant or pushy for wanting her name in nomination, especially when Dennis Kucinich and Ted Kennedy with far few delegates were part of the roll call, is condescending and sexist.

ya got to be colorful if you are going to write about Chicago politics.

"thwacking the pinata"
A good description don't you think?
Jack

it does have that chicago style. salacious and a hint of bawdy.

"thwacking the pinata"
A good description don't you think?

Jack

exposing a hollow critter full of goodies?

That's the way to tell 'em, CatBalu.

I myself have problems with the phrase "handling the Clintons" as if they're just a couple of troublemakers out to cause problems. Shame on you, Craig.

Oh, and Hillary, like everyone else, is in charge of her own destiny.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130847

Chloe

My bad, I was addressing patd's question about the Chicago tribune. It and the LA times are similar as they are both big city dailies that focus on the news. But I don't know the Tribs, editorial slant.

Jack

Patd

"thwacking the pinata"

I read it as swing away hopeing you hit the jackpot.

But yours is funny too.

Jack

What was it we were to ld by the Idiot in Chief - you don't set a timetable for the withdrawal of your troops because the enemy will just wait 'til you leave to attack?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world/middleeast/22baghdad.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Idiot. moron. Liar. Political hack making sure McCain wins the election. Take your pick.

Obama's VP: The Candidate Drops Some Hints

Barack Obama offered some clues as to how he is approaching the decision, and--to my ear, at least--a sense that he had pretty much made up his mind.
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/obamas_vp_the_candidate_drops.html

At 10AM Sturge wrote about people who are "out there" and believe the stuff GORDO pastes here. They certainly are. There's a whole branch of my family made up of folks who eat up every conspiracy theory or McCarthyite statement that fits their beliefs. They also refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit.

Just a hit and run from me. Don't know what you've talked about since 10, but couldn't resist throwing some of my born-again relatives under the bus.

Cat, there is another way to look at Craig's statement about Obama making his own problem re: Clinton. The statement you cited follows Criag's first paragraph, which talks not about handling the Clintons, but rather about his unseccessful attempt to make the political world forget about Hillary, and precedes the third one, which talks about Bill's likely overshadowing of the VP choice. She will be the main draw one night, Bill will be a main draw the next (the VP choice will speak that same night), and she will have a bunch of delegates casting their votes for her on his big night - that's 3 nights of the convention that should be all about Obama, but with Clintons having prominent roles. Frankly, I think Craig has a point.

MD

Don't be such a jerk. The Clintons have lost two associates and friends of more than three decades in a very short space of time with the Gwatney shooting and now the loss of Tubbs. She doesn't have to report to you to see if you approve. Just because it hasn't been in front of your face on the news, doesn't mean that Hillary hasn't make a public statement. Here is the written one from her site

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7929

This didn't take long.
Within a news cycle after John McCain stumbled over a question of how many homes he owns, Democratic rival Barack Obama was offering Americans the answer:

Seven. "Worth $13 million.''
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/

Hmm, I wonder how they would have felt if STJ had simply given Hillary a written statement of support versus being on camera and vocal. Would it have hurt her to go on camera and discuss her life or express her gratitude? I would be that 90 percent of you didn't even know her before she placed her political life at risk by support HRC. A thirty second public statement would have made a nice impact on her importance as a friend and political ally.

Pogo, it sounds more like a "going away party" for the Clintons.

just a reminder, folks -- anonymous comments with fake email addresses are subject to deletion

After sleeping on it and reading through the comments today, I've decided that win or lose I hope he doesn't select HRC as his VP choice if she's not his choice but the one he feels compelled to make. He should select the person he feels he can work with and trust. If she fits that bill fine. He needs to win or lose this on his own anyway. If JM ends up the prez then so be it. It's the chance we all take, his if he doesn't become CIC and ours if we don't vote for him.

Would it have hurt her to go on camera and discuss her life or express her gratitude?"

This days not over yet.

MD

What I'm saying is that you don't know that she didn't. Not everything that happens in the world gets shown on CNN the instant it happens if at all. She could very well have made a public statement while in Florida to campaign for Obama that might only appear in the Florida papers again if at all.

Hillary knew and loved her well enough to mention her family members by name rather than some pro forma statement. Did you read it? It was a very personal note and if you back track to the main page, there is a beautiful picture of Tubbs-Jones.

bye bye doesnt care......he wants to hate hillary so what do facts or circumstances have to do with it? Anything which does not further his hatred of hillary is discarded, anything he can dream up to advance said hatred he's good to go with......it has nothing to do with ms Jones' death, and even less with hillary's response.

Our hearts break.
Stephanie Tubbs-Jones video standing up for what she believes
http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=713

Had to laugh! This is what I heard while driving my son to work...and it made me think of all we DON'T know about each other. Oh...the speculation! But the bottom line...we just...don't...know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaGu_496nVM

jeejee, no matter the purpose - for at least 2 nights the focus will be on them, not him.

And I suggest you try Q-Tips to get the sh*t out of your ears, Bye, Bye. You are a jerk was right.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130869

Rez, on that we agree.

HW,
Not a CW fan but the lyrics were great and I see why you had the chuckle.

"my BP was 62/48."

Flatus, You don't take blood pressure meds, do you?

HW

I'll tell everyone you are a very attractive, intelligent woman who is very dedicated to her son and plays a mean game of word twist if you will vouch for me. lol

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130866

Mr.D=Bye Bye=driveby
Why do you enjoy these nasty Hillary driveby's so much?Oh and then there's the nasty Patsi driveby's and the nasty President Clinton driveby's and so on.Why don't you bring to this blog more of the kinds of posts you exchanged with Jack the other day?I enjoyed them very much,but this is BS and benealth someone with your intellect....

Hey Pogo,

Since I got your ear and you seem to know a little about alot and sports. :)
What's with the sudden (to me) explosion of the Jamaican sprinters. These guys and girls seem to be in a class unto themselves. Have you seen or read anything.?

I was teasing G Man about whether there's been some alien influences. lol Anyway. anyone?

No, Chloe, went to my regular doc again today and he's trying to figure it out. Tuesday was the worst reading I've had, but it's been really low for a couple of years. Gives me an excuse for being dizzy and stupid.

Flatus,
My doctor says low blood pressure won't kill (as opposed to high blood pressure, which I have).

But you sure don't want it to get much lower. It probably makes you tired too, I would imagine.

Pogo,

Sorry never mind. I found a great article/video about it.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0628/p01s01-woam.html#

I didn't realize Donovan Bailey of Canada and Linford Christie of Britain are both from Jamaica.

Learn something everyday.. lol

"I would bet that 90 percent of you didn't even know her before she placed her political life at risk by support HRC. A thirty second public statement would have made a nice impact on her importance as a friend and political ally."

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM

Yes, and that is a pity. Jesse Jackson Jr. warned her and other Black politicos that they would be targeted for defeat if they didn't drop their support for Hillary Clinton's candidacy. JJ Jr is a thug, and he showed no respect to long time leaders and heros in the Black community. It was and is wrong to target someone because s/he is Black but supports a white candidate.

My last link, I promise!

Can Obama Be a Working-Class Hero?
Nothing makes me feel sorrier for the once powerful local bosses of each political party than the spectacle of a modern nominating convention. In their glory days, these wily neighborhood sloggers would listen to speeches, size up the appeal of each candidate against hometown tastes, wheel, deal and finally make the thousands of individual decisions that would eventually choose the nominee.

Today there is only one big decision to be made, and the job belongs to a TV programmer, not a political boss..."
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1834320,00.html

EuroTom,

Calling someone a thug is unfair. For some of you, perhaps you don't understand that these "long time leaders and heros (sic))" have been losing their constituency for years. And the pressure didn't come from other black politicos. The pressure came from the constituents in their district. You should expect push back from your constituent when you go with a candidate who gets 10 percent of the vote in your district. It's a poltical risk and I respect her for it. But don't cry when people then don't think you accurately represent their views.

Rez - "know a little about alot and sports" probably is as apt a description of me as I've heard (well, seen) lately. I've always told my boss I'm kind of a utility infielder. In really haven't followed track and field in the past few years, so I would have had to go to SI.com or some other such site to look into the Jamaican running explosion before I could have even hazarded a guess. The only running that came to mind for me before the last 2 days when someone said Jamaica is rum running.

that should be "I really haven't..."

Patd: Regarding the Chicago Tribune, it is a very, very Republican newspaper. It just reports the news. The article above was written by one of their writers, and its very rare to see something negative about Obama in this paper. The Tribune has been pretty neutral. Now the Sun Times is a different story, they have been in the tank for Obama. During the primary, way before the Indiana Primary, their front page had a terrible picture of Hillary on it with the words in CAPS "GET OUT". I think that was back in early May. That did it for me, cancelled my Sun Times subscription after 20 years. I now subscibe to Chicago Tribune, but sometimes it is too boring.

Chloe, is this proof that McCain is a working class hero? Thank god for his judgment on economic matters...

http://therealmccain.com/?utm_source=rgemail

Formula to win the election

Dump Obama + nominate Hillary Clinton = Victory

Bear, McCain's never been a hero to me. I don't like him.

Very interesting article, Rez.

Pogo,

Yeah, it's all that sowing and reaping stuff. lol

Someone planted the seed 30 years ago. Amazing.

Now this is, IMHO, a step in the right direction as far as developing a campaign focus goes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/us/politics/21campaign.html

Bear, If you're talking about that last article I linked, it WASN'T anti Obama. It tlalked about his needing to attract the working class too. Heres the last paragraph:

." Last week Ohio governor Ted Strickland called for Obama to "speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues..... reconnecting with basic Democratic economic issues is good advice. Obama cannot reclaim the lunch-pail wing of the Democratic Party simply by treating Hillary Clinton like a monarch at the convention. These voters are not hers to deliver; Obama has to earn them back on his own with a convention that reaches out to those hardworking Americans who don't drive a Prius, don't listen to npr, don't buy syrah—and assure them that it is still very much their Democratic Party too."

Well, whatever it is Rez, it certainly is working - at least right now. Some day I plan to visit Jamaica - I understand that it is an achingly beautiful country.

Well, gotta stumble along. Later.

How's does everyone feel about the Draft?
Shared sacrifices anyone? Go shopping!

"And these are the people we tied yellow ribbons for, and Bush patted on the back. If we don't reenact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase bin Laden to the gates of Hell."

"Ma'am," the Senator responded, "let me say that I don't disagree with anything you said. Thank you, and I am grateful for your support of all of our veterans."

Video of the exchange appears below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRMFwXGBMfI

If I've learned anything in the last two weeks it's that how you treat people comes back around. You would not believe all the nice gestures my Mom has received since my Father passed away. The Friday visitation was full of friends and family. Even my Uncle Mike, who never goes to anything, showed up. He said to my Mom, "Only for you." He even sent my Mom a check for $50.00. Many others have donated money as well. Our dentist even sent my Mom a expensive plant. My Dad was always giving our dentist a hard time about how much he charged for his services. Also my Mom has received 50 sympathy cards so far. It speaks volumes as to how much people think of her. It's shown me that despite what a lot of people thought about my Father, they thought my Mom was a good person.

Mr. Democrat: Below is the statement from the Clintons, I guess you missed it:

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton:

“There are few words to express the shock we feel at this time. Our deepest condolences are with Stephanie’s son, Mervyn, her family, and her many loved ones, friends, and supporters.

Stephanie’s friendship meant the world to us, a friendship that deepened through every trial and challenge. We could always count on her to be a shoulder on which to lean, an ear to bend, a voice to reassure. Over the course of many years, with many ups and many downs, Stephanie was right by our side—unwavering, indefatigable.

It was that fighting spirit—safely stowed behind her disarming smile, backed by so much integrity and fiery intelligence—that allowed Stephanie to rise from modest beginnings, to succeed in public service, to become a one-woman force for progress in our country.

All of us who were lucky to know her and love her can only hope now to live like her—to be as passionate, loyal, hard charging, and joyful in life’s pursuits.

Stephanie was one of a kind. We will miss our friend always.”

I felt really bad about Stephanie Tubbs Jones. She was so loyal to Hillary and so couragious. I have always said this election would kill some of us Hillary supporters and I think Stephanie was the first victim.

Didn't miss it. Just wondered why she didn't say it in front of a camera.

Not everyone has to have a camera in their face when they say something thoughtful.

Yeah, that's right. The Clintons couldn't express their sorrow in front of the camera. They're known to be very private people.

What does it matter to you? Would it make you feel better about the Clintons if they had done that?

I just watched ESPN news. Former Raider Gene Upshaw died today. John Madden issued a statement, but he did not appear in front of a camera. How can I be certain that John Madden is truly saddened by the passing of Gene Upshaw, if he only issues a written statement. I mean, John Madden was Gene Upshaw's coach from 1969-1978, you would think that he'd be worthy of more than just a written statement!

Patsi; 10:46 am......Pay no attention to the goofs. You are to be commended for your children's education. Screw these guys who can't take a joke, and Mr. D. If you can take a joke , why don't you take it and %#*# off????
Chloe; 12:16 pm......"faith or Illusion???? It's in Blonde Wino's answer...... It's definitely illusion. Your right about the DNC needing and overhaul, but I think a better mechanic is in order - BO is a manufactured opportunist if there ever was one.
Lastly; why not let's leave GORDO alone - he's the only one DOING anything(even if it is only research), instead of just whining like I do.

Rita

Bear; 1:11 pm........ Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I wonder if Putin isn't really and truly, Dubya's good buddy and this BS is all going to add up to a legacy for Bush. Something he wouldn't have had without it.

Rita

Gene Upshaw did spend the past sixteen months defending and supporting John Madden every chance he had, while his Players Association were against his actions. Apples and oranges.

MD - You would be bitching if she said it on camera ,accusing her of grandstanding. Move on to your so- called candidate.

meant Gene Upshaw DIDN'T...

" I hope he doesn't select HRC as his VP choice if she's not his choice but the one he feels compelled to make. He should select the person he feels he can work with and trust. "

Ditto what Rez said.

Sorry Vanessa, unlike you, I don't know what I would have said because it didn't happen. Just saying that it would have been more personal to speak to the nation about her than a statement. Do you know the price she paid within her sorority for Hillary? Not a small one.

Again, I think he should pick Hillary. An African American president and woman vice president is change. And for eight (possibly sixteen years) change the political landscape for the 21st century, opening up the white man's executive office to Latinos, Asians, etc.

He can select who he wants but it is unlikely they will work together. ( on PA ave.) And on another note , I gave up watching CNN for months now but yesterday I saw Madame Cafferty refering to Hillary as"what's her name". At least when he was an alchoholic he was watchable, now he's just an a-hole. You Obamas still don't get it that you NEED us. So just keep up with the insults and HOPE for the best.

I honestly don't care who needs who. The goal is to put Obama in the White House. If Hillary helps, so be it. If she doesn't help, so be it. If she helps a little and hurts a little, so be it. As long as the end result is President Obama, I'm good with any decision.

Jamie...

No problem...I'll be happy to vouch for you! You're a fabulously good-looking, brilliant woman with a 32-year-old brain!

Just checking back in for a brief moment...am busy preparing for my second tax audit in less than a year. Some of us just have all the luck, huh? Anyway, if I'm even more scarce than usual for awhile, it's because I'm up to my ears in paperwork!

I'm just trying to make the point that just because someone says something on camera doesn't make the sentiment of the statement more genuine.

Good luck with that, Harborwoman! Tell the IRS that I'll sic Ron Paul on them if they don't back down.

You would agree that he does need something! He has been on his own with all the help of CNN and MSNBC, and he isn't exactly pulling ahead.

"Just saying that it would have been more personal to speak to the nation about her than a statement. "

Mr. D,

I've been thinking a lot about what you said about Hillary expressing her grief in front of a camera. And the more I think about it, the more I think it would have been inappropriate

If Hillary took advantage, calling a news conference and making this about her instead of Stephanie, it would not have been right. It would look to others as though she was trying to get attention for the tragedy.

I'm cool with that. And just made the observation that it would have been nice if they had said it on camera. BTW, that's not going unnoticed on a lot of African American listserves and boards. It's the little things.

Would it have made a difference if she had been white and died? Would white voters note that Hillary didn't appear on camera to express her feelings.

And if Senator Clinton has spoken out you and the other pigs like you would have posted she was taking advantage of the situation

You remain as ass and you have no credibility to speak out what Clinton (either one) says or does

You are a Clinton hater because it advances you own cause

Too bad about the AA listservers and boards. They dumped her cause she didn't fall in line, and now the Clintons are what you say ?racist? because they didn't make a statement on camera? I am over all of it .Everyone is too sensitive.

Hillary is always classy.

Those who don't understand that shouldn't lose any sleep over it.

They never will understand.

Chloe,

Look, I was simply stating an opinion and I can respect your opinion. You might be right. But I just want to say that this is popping up on African American listserves. Not saying it's right, but just like during the primary where women may have seen things about Obama's actions that struck them as being wrong, and told each other about it, this is resonating in some black circles. Basically it's "STJ was there for you and you couldn't come on camera and say how terrible this is?" Folks are saying that that statement could have been written by any aide, and not Hillary. But that's what you get when you don't do things in person. Speculations and rumor.

Thanks, Mr. D. Other than being pissed because the preparation is such a lot of work, I'm pretty sanguine about it. The IRS has trouble believing how much medical I pay (and how little my insurance provider pays). After my first audit, they owed me money. My fingers are crossed that they will be in the same boat this time. It'll serve them right for questioning this taxpayer! LOL

But Mr. D. The camera's aren't following her around any more. Do you (not the sites you're looking at, but you) think she should call a news conference?

Hey Patsi,

You know that people write in very distinctive ways. Writing styles and voices are easily recognizable, like fingerprints, so you're "You're a Jerk" sig is a pretty thin disguise.

Melissa: Who said anything about the Clinton's being racist because Hillary didn't appear on camera???

Yeah, but....

That's all I got to say, because Sturge isn't here to say it.

That wasn't Patsi. Not her style.

Chloe, maybe people would call it a news conference or not. Often times, people have brief statements outside their homes to say a brief word and then move on. Again, it's just the word going around.

Obama has betrayed his non-existent "new politics" with his ridiculous comments when McCain was unsure about how many investment properties his family has.

Perhaps after Obama loses, he can become a host on Air America. That is where the progressive Limbaughs hang out..

McCain's response was just as bad as the O's remarks.

Thanks for taking the time to explain to us Mr. D.

Chloe,

Take it for someone who's been a writer for twenty years. It's Patsi. You get to learn how to recognize style and voice very easily.

Not Patsi you stoopid effing jerk

You are the sort who thinks you know everything and the more you talk the more ignorance you reveal

It'll all be better AFTER the convention.

Chloe,

I figure that after that convention, folks are going to start really paying attention. The lines are going to get more partisan, but I think the Obama/Clinton split is going to lessen. Personally, I think Bill is going to come through with his speech.

Yeah bye bye you are here under your third name
each new edition more obnoxious

What you do write the cry baby chronicles?

I'm telling you, I'm betting that Obama picks Clinton. That would heal the Democratic family and eclipse anything McCain does.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=====================================
Looks like McCain’s able to do what we couldn’t do in the primaries: make people understand how terrible SoetorObama’s Rezko connections really are

"Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko’s Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. “Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, [Antoin 'Tony'] Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko’s wife.” (Tim Novak, “Obama And His Rezko Ties,” Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)"

(Much more - these are the first and last.)

"The Obamas And Rezkos Took A Trip Together To Rezko’s Home At Lake Geneva, WI. Obama: “[Barack And Michelle Obama] Visited their home in Lake Geneva once for the day.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Interview With Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago, IL, 3/15/08)"

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/looks-like-mccains-able-to-do-what-we-couldnt-do-in-the-primaries-make-people-understand-how-terrible-soetorobamas-rezko-connections-really-are/

"I think Bill is going to come through with his speech."
Posted by: Mr. Democrat | August 21, 2008 6:42 PM

He will, and like no one else can do.
Once he's on board, a lot of others will be to.

Obama says he's decided on running mate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes_59

nite.

Obama campaign made another big mistake

"Both John Nichols, the most sensible writer for the Nation (he's very left, but not so caustic; he said nice things about Tony Snow when he died, for example) and Nate Silver of fivehtiryeight.com are now both pushing for Hillary for VP.

There appears to be a bit of panic in the Obama camp. Ayers and the infanticide issue are not going away, and the appearance of a cover-up on Obama's relationship to Annenberg and Bill Ayers only draws more attention to his track record of failure as a reformer."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_made_another_bi.html

" It's the little things. "

Read: petty things

"You know that people write in very distinctive ways. Writing styles and voices are easily recognizable, like fingerprints, so you're "You're a Jerk" sig is a pretty thin disguise. "

If you think I'm changing my screen name you're nuts. I barely got registered with my real name, let alone any others. Plus, unlike you, I'm willing to represent myself.

G man,
You should read some of the material you link instead of taking someone's opinion for fact.
I read 538 everyday and Silver is very objective. He was only stating his opinion as to why he thinks HRC would help Obama, and imo, he very insightful most of the time.

". . . I think that if Obama picks Clinton, the Republicans are likely to overplay their hand. One thing that Obama has not really been able to do is to generate some organic level of backlash when he is attacked. This is separate and distinct from the notion of "fighting back"; it is voters stepping in and refereeing the match themselves. Voters recognize that McCain has gone negative but they aren't really punishing him for it -- his favorables haven't moved at all. Why not? I think it has to do with the nature of Obama: he is new, he is confident to the point of being arrogant, and up until recently, he has been leading. To the extent there is any genius in the "celebrity" line of attack, it's that nobody feels much sympathy when celebrities are made fun of (well, except for this guy); it is a sort of sport to try and pierce their bubble.

With Clinton, on the other hand, voters naturally want to come to her defense -- and overzealous attempts to whip the Republican base into a frenzy will be counteracted with outrage from significant numbers of older and working-class women."

The first paragraph:

"The case for picking Clinton doesn't have all that much to do with Obama's deteriorating poll numbers -- although you can certainly make a separate argument based on the electoral math. Rather, it's that the Republicans have shown their hand -- and made it clear that they aren't going to be running any sort of nice, safe campaign where Obama coasts to victory while the base stays asleep."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/case-for-hillary.html

"Take it for someone who's been a writer for twenty years. "

BS -- if that were so you'd identify yourself.

MrD - I sure hope you're right. If he picks her, I'll entertain the possibility that he isn't controlled by the machine. I do not think he wiil pick her, tho. I think he is not in charge. I think he probably has sold his soul to the machine, and think Michelle sees it. NB - I am NOT saying the machine and the mob are the same thing at all, but I'm going to use a mob term just to make a point!!! I think they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. No proof, circumstantial strong evidence, but still my opinion, and even that is my opinion.

Sometimes I sits and thinks, and
sometimes I just sits.

I noted here a while ago that Michelle said, when asked what she first said when O told her of his plans,
she said, "Oh, please, no!" in a pleading voice. I can believe it. She may have ambitions but they aren't political, in my opinion. I think she knows, better than he does, what their position is. That made me go deeper, and what I now have to ask is : Wouldn't Michelle make a great candidate if she wanted to be?
I'm not a fan of hers, but wow, couldn't she do it with a little more experience?

And suddenly there came a great light:
The two most dynamic people - THE most dynamic
people in this whole election are Hillary & Michelle.

All the rest are lethargic without an ounce of creativity
among them.

Rez -- sorry, but you are misreading what this has been about from day one. It's that the dripping disdain toward all women has been obvious and disgusting.

Oh Mr. D

That tribute to Stephanie Tubb-Jones from the Clinton web page was also emailed to everyone on her mailing list with a link for people to leave personal tributes to the Congresswoman.

That means that she reached a great many more people with the message than if she went camera hunting and made it about Hillary.

Come on Bye Bye -- you claim to be a writer. What have you written and why are you afraid to let anyone read it. Unless, of course, you are a liar.

Patsi

I believe they are detective books. Harborwoman had the link I think.

Patsi
I think that sexism by some is just excepted!! I found this at my local gym,at least 6 Democratic men said to me that while they liked Hillary they would vote for Obama because they would never vote for a woman.I was stunned really! Could this same statement be made out in the open about not voting for a black person.I don't think so...Sexism USA alive and well!

Obama's Annenberg Challenge:
I do not know if this has been covered before by other Obama Conspiralists but here is a link to an admitted hatchet article about the Papers covering the Project on which Obama served as the Founding Chairman and which was omitted from his résumé. Supposedly millions of dollars were granted from this foundation to improve Chicago schools and involved obama working with Bill Ayers. Public access to those papers has now been denied. While I can not vouch for the veracity, implications or even the content of the papers, I do wonder why it was left off O's résumé when it appears to be the only example where he was in charge of a meaningfull project, having responsibility of directing staff and employees, accountability for performance and achievement, and that could serve as an example of public service to rebut McCain's implication of lack of patriotism err Judgement.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

Tony: There have been many interviews with voters, particularly during the primary, who said they couldn't vote for Barack because he was black. Nearly 20% of voters in Pennsylvania said his race was too much. So racism is out in the open.

Patsi and Jamie: What are you, tag team partners now? To find my books, check the library and bookstores. You'll find them there.

I see where this link was provided before, though without my particular curiosities. For those who did follow the link, what do you think?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html

"To find my books, check the library and bookstores. You'll find them there."

Under the name Mosley, I'm sure. You've never once told us what your books are. And unlike you, I'd actually read something before I commented.

Mr. D

I don't know your name. It's been a while since I saw the link and I didn't bookmark it. I was just letting Patsi know that you really were a writer.

Also, this Joan Walsh tribute to Tubb-Jones is sweet with a video of the Congresswoman playing along with Colbert.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/?last_story=/opinion/walsh/

Okay Patsi, you win. This argument is not worth fanning. Jamie, point taken. I'll check out the tribute.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=====================================
The Obama-Ayers Top Ten: Highlights of the 20 year Obama-Ayers Connection

"If you take the Obama campaign at its word, the contention that there is a relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama is “phony,” “tenuous,” a “stretch.” In Obama's own words, Ayers was "just a guy who lives in my neighborhood," certainly not a long time close political ally.

But a review of just the publicly known highlights of the Ayers-Obama relationship suggests a twenty year pattern of connections between the two.

At the heart of this "Top Ten" list is the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers founded and Obama and Ayers co-chaired for five years, raising and spending at least $110 million in an effort to bolster a "radical" (Ayers' word) reform program in the Chicago Public Schools from 1994 to 2001."

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-ayers-top-ten-10-highlights-of-20.html

Jamie, if you don't know his books, how can you say he's not lying? What books has he written?

I'd buy some of Bye Bye's works, and would praise them if I liked them.

Okay, you got me. Here's a list:

The Bible (only the New Testament)
The Koran
The Torah

Point being: I'm willing to put myself on the line and just wish others would as well.

"I'd buy some of Bye Bye's works, and would praise them if I liked them."

Ha ha ha!

Jamie,

Putting the vitriol to a side for a second, we must have been watching Devil at the same time. Mouse, as played by Don Cheadle, is great.

Mr D

Patsi does have a point that she is willing to identify herself and point to her work. Renee is a weaver and has no trouble identifying herself or displaying her work. Several of us have blogs and a means to contact us either on the blogs or by email.

It might be nice if you openly provided the link to your work. For all you know, it might increase your sales. I doubt anyone is going to stalk you.

Don Cheadle deserved an Oscar nomination for Mouse. Denzel is great but he wasn't quite Easy.

You'd be surprised about the stalker thing, Jamie. Even among fans, I've had people pop up at weird places. No, I like keeping being anonymous. Even if someone was correct in noting who I am, I'd deny it. My writing is my writing. This blog is this blog. And I'm not worried about picking up a few book sales. Everyone else has a choice to reveal who they are. I choose not to.

Besides, despite all of the angry typing on this blog, I'm rarely ever mad at anyone. Even at Patsi. I just come back hard at folks who come hard at me. On a blog, that leads to flame wars. But while I know how I am, I can't predict how others are. So Mr. Democrat it is.

Mr. D

Setting the vitriol aside. Remarks such as the Ha ha ha! above are what bring it on. If Patsi says she would praise something she liked, you can take it to the bank that she would. That's the kind of person she is.

You frenquently storm in throwing insults around and then get all aghast when this produces a negative reaction. Maybe if you just talked without slams, it might produce a different response.

I'm off to watch Jeremiah. Be nice.

I find it funny that when multiple people have problems with Patsi, you all come rushing to her aid. That's your right. But have you ever gone back to see what those people had issues with her in the first place?

It's like the family drunk coming in to your home, smashing over things, and then vouching that she's a fine person and if you all didn't react to her smashing things in the room, you'd see how great a person she really is.

Too often, and remember this is a blog so it ain't that serious, you are demanding of your opponents to change their behavior, because you disagree with them, and rationalize the behavior of those you like. So if Patsi yells screw you at people, well that's just her passion. If someone says that it's unfair to call Obama a name, then we're being sensitive.

This is why it's disingenuous to come to me to change my behavior on the blog unless you point our your friends behavior. When we see that, then we'll probably have a more civil blog. And you won't have to vouch for a person so many people have issues with. Their own behavior will speak the loudest.

No wonder.

I hope Hillary does not accept VP.Hate to see her go down in flames with BO.Any Democrat should be at least 20 points ahead of any Republican.Since he is neck and neck,i can't see him winning.I don't see his young supporters still being interested by november.

Does anyone know if the Do Not Call list has expired?
Lately I have been bombarded by robo calls from credit cards,dish,and direct Tv and siding companies.I stay on the line and tell them I was on list and they hang up on me.

Ruth

John

I didn't go read the site, just from what you posted there was no need.
The words were loaded and said plenty about the writer. Right wing attack machine.

I'm not certain what you are interested in. Is it the fact that Ayers and Obama sat on several boards together. All that tells us is both were active in the Chicago area NonProfit sector. It also tells us that both were highly thought of in the community. This would be obviuos with Ayers as he has a nation wide reputation when it comes to education reform. As Obama is also on many boards he too must have had a good reputation.

Jack

Mr.D
I agree about the exit polling data.I'm talking about someone personally telling me they won't vote for a black person,it hasn't happened and isn't excepted in the open,it is excepted out in the open to say you won't vote for a woman....Especially man to man....You know it....

Sometime I wonder if the warring parties would do better without the inflammatory comments of others?

MD
4 and I'm looking at another one.

Jack

"Don Cheadle deserved an Oscar nomination for Mouse. "

Definitely! He was fabulous.

Craig,
I am packing up the computer and heading to Denver on the train tomorrow after work. I will be at the meeting on Saturday at the Convention Center. You know where I am staying, call or email if you get a minute.

ROFL -- Bye Bye has so many fans he's stalked. He's a liar. Never wrote a word.

"she craves the attention, "

He said, dancing, prancing, lancing boils and telling us about it.

I am hopeful that the color barriers are melting....by way of our children. I just returned from Case Western Reserve....a college campus multi cultural and people were easy with each other and respectful.

Each step is a good step.

Patsi with respect - you are wrong on that one. (re: Mr D)

"Sometime I wonder if the warring parties would do better without the inflammatory comments of others?"

It looks to me as if they do quite well without our help.

wj aka Jack

Small town gym!! New Smyrna Beach,well lets just say it ain't NY...

geezer moment....that's funny....Why John McCain had no idea how many homes he owns.

Can you imagine the taxes (alone) on those properties?

"quick to call people sexist"

Not "people", lol "person"

And he has earned every bit of it.

Jack

If Bye Bye isn't a liar, then what has has he written?

Nice about the taxes....
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This town is spinning with the loss of Stephanie T Jones. It's really sad. She really did a great job for our city. She was a true champion of the people. I think everyone just expected her to be around for a long while. :(

It's not for me to disclose what he has written. That is not my place, I just thought I'd let you know that he isn't lying.

"geezer moment....that's funny....Why John McCain had no idea how many homes he owns"

And the McCain campaign replys.

"“Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses? Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people “cling” to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who’s in touch with regular Americans?"

Reality time folks. It maybe red meat for the faithfull but every time Obma trys to be cute he gets in a tit for tat and he loses in that exchange. He is down on their level and he looks just as mud covered as the rest.

Jack

I never said that the voting public was bright.

Good night everyone. Time to watch the Olympics (by the way, is this the best Olympics in years or what? The Commies know how to throw a festival!). Right now, I'm watching Olympic WALKING. WTH.

I really hate to interrupt this anger management therapy group, but since Obama is probably going to announce his VP tomorrow, I thought I forward the latest Intrade.com Vice Presidential Futures Market Odds...

DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL FUTURES MARKET ODDS

Joe Biden: 2 to 1
Evan Bayh: 6 to 1
Hillary Clinton: 7 to 1
Tim Kaine: 8 to 1
Kathleen Sebelius: 13 to 1
Wesley Clark: 15 to 1
Chuck Hagel: 20 to 1
Dick Gephardt: 20 to 1
John Kerry: 20 to 1
Bill Richardson: 22 to 1
Ed Rendell: 33 to 1
Al Gore: 43 to 1
Mark Warner: 50 to 1
Tom Daschle: 61 to 1
Caroline Kennedy: 83 to 1
Christopher Dodd: 95 to 1
Sam Nunn: 105 to 1

Field (any other candidate): 5 to 1

REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL FUTURES MARKET ODDS

Tim Pawlenty: 3 to 1
Mitt Romney: 3 to 1
Charlie Crist: 15 to 1
Rob Portman: 10 to 1
Sarah Palin: 10 to 1
Tom Ridge: 7 to 1
Joe Lieberman: 10 to 1
Bobby Jindal: 32 to 1
Lindsey Graham: 57 to 1
John Kasich: 77 to 1
Mike Huckabee: 25 to 1
Rudy Giuliani: 22 to 1
Carly Fiorina: 48 to 1
Mark Sanford: 40 to 1
Olympia Snowe: 40 to 1
Kay Bailey Hutchison: 24 to 1

Field (any other candidate): 3 to 1

The Art of War - the Clintonostra file suit to remove Barack Obama from the ballot

"We saw this one coming. Hillary didn't end her campaign, she suspended it. Her operatives have been working on this for months. This is going to be one bloody battle - the Clintonostra vs. the most corrupt political machine in America - Chicago gangland style poltics.

A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a naturalized U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/the-art-of-war.html

PUMA

My darling beloved 4 year old just called to tell me we're having another baby. When I reminded him that babies cry a lot sometimes, he said, "That's ok - I'll just hold him." This will be the third - I'd love papa to have a little daughter, but anything healthy will do.

Congrats Bettyboo!

Be worried, be very worried. SoetorObama is doomed.

PUMA

Gordo may be a twit. But Bye Bye is a liar and a fraud. Probably isn't even black. ROFL -- whatta maroon.

Need more evidence, Jamie?

Jack,

And folks ridiculed me for saying that the Clinton's could sabotage Obama! LOL Hey, it can happen!

If Obama expects to win, he needs to respond forcefully to major charges and ignore the junior high back and forth he is participating in..He appears weak and small when he does this.

MrD - thanks for the congrats. When I answer the phone and hear that sweet voice, my heart flutters,seriously. When I used to talk with his mother and her brother and cousin when they were young, it was the same thing. This four year old also calls us on our birthdays and sings happy bortday to us, and even our friends. I honestly believe life without children somewhere around us would be intolerable.

By the way, he called gammy first, then me, then my little sister - his mother was video-taping him.

Sorry OD, it's the little charges that stick in elections. George Herbert Walker Bush being amazed by a grocery scanner stuck as him being out of touch with America. And GHWB looking at his watch during the debate was a sign that he didn't care. Little things.

You're kidding right? I didn't get a message yet.

Sure that isn't one of the phony ones going around? I haven't received a message either.

Jack

Are you joining the other novelists on the blog?

"Don't worry Patsi, nobody would every suspect you of being anything other than white. "

Hilarious...in this "post racial" world, my skin color matters. Jesus!

what are the obama people thinking picking a fight about houses. talking points has a story about jingleing house keys at democratic convention. i can just see the republican response, just like at football games where one guy holds up a big letter D and the guy next to him holds up a section of picket fence. at the republican convention one guy will hold up the O from the obama presidential seal and the guy next to him will hold up a section of the rezco fence

Phillip Berg is the ONE we have been waiting for !!!

PUMA

Mr. D

All I know is that you entered this space as Bye Bye Billary with one vile and offensive message after another. You then "reformed" into Mr. Democrat but kept up the constant insults and abuse. Every once in a while you engage in a pleasant conversation and I'm willing to engage you then, but don't be surprised that some folks are less forgiving particularly when the stream of anti Clinton crud is still a daily event.

Would it have killed you hours ago to provide a link to your books which I know exists or were you enjoying the fight too much to simply be straightforward and end it?

LOL! I was like, I know my $2300 meant I got a text on time!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/its-all-about-the-clintons.html#comment-130961

JAMIE: I just finished Hillary's email, time was 6:21PM .. so she sent out to her supporters first .. like that .. she's still thinks of us & people wonder why we're so loyal to her ... I can still remember the mother's Day video they made up for us to view .. beautiful how she has opened herself & her family up to us .. makes us feel like she open ... and for the life of me, I can't understand why all the hatred toward this wonderful woman, who has done so much already ...

then we come on here , say something nice about either of them& all we get is grief ... it's like grade school, "we won, you lost, nay nay nay" .. we're all adults here,but some don't want to leave that mentality behind .. day after day .. this plays out here ...

I can't wrap my mind around why we can't agree to disagree & leave all those nasty words a side
Yeah, ya'll probablty thinking have gone off my rocker, but not from the experiences I've had with people on line ....
Since June of '98, been talking to 10 wonderful people all over the country / out of the country ... we agreed to disagree from the beginning & we have wonderful discussions, I've learned so much from them .. was hoping this would be like that, but it's not ... I do enjoy the links everyone posted & check them out, but won't be back to post ... if anyone wants to keep in contact,
amblush617@yahoo.com

take care .... !:^}

viv

Jamie,

I'll keep this short because I'm sure people are pretty tired of this convo. But when I changed my name, I tried for weeks to not be combative. Instead, all I got was "don't be fooled!" "this is bye bye!!" or you all would instead of wiping the slate clean, dredge up everything I said as Bye Bye. So it became clear to me that like every good story needs conflict to be interesting, you all had no need for someone pleasant. You all needed a pinata and I was it. So be it. So let's be honest. It's a catch 22. But you'll find that if you read really close, not all of my posts are attacks and not every criticism against Hillary is a personal affront. So again, approach me civilly and I will return the favor. But I will state my opinion.

http://www.garanthonyhaywood.com/gah_author_home/gah_author_home.html

One down and fifty thousand black authors left to go! LOL

well nobody needs my input again on this, but i'll give it anyway -- as i said at the time, i thought it was a standup thing to do when Mr. D publicly made the switch from his anonymous persona -- would have been easy to simply create a new name and nobody would have known

we sure that isn't Telly Savalas?

I think the GOP talking point that Obama is the media darling and receives an unfair amount of praise completely ignores the slamming he takes every single day on talk radio. I also think 4-hour talk radio programs have more influence on voters than the cable news gossip programs.

But of course the Republicans love to create an entire storyline out of the half of the story that favors them.

text came through...it's ...it's...OMG !!!

http://www.hartlarsson.com/greatis/imgs/Emo_Philips.jpg

warren, if you want radio-balance, tune in Randi Rhodes in the afternoons on Air America. She blasts McCain constantly and is very listenable doing it.
I am a devotee of Ms. Rhodes.

Thanks Craig and I remembered that.

I have heard some woman (not sure if its Rhodes) on the radio that blasts McCain everyday - however her show if often too comical. It spends too much time on gotcha moments and old jokes instead of focusing on the actual issues.

Regardless, Air America is no match for the widely broadcast shows of Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck and the countless other hacks that are even more irresponsible with the truth.

This deficit is not going to be solved anytime soon - but I think it is a very good counterpoint to the argument that the media is pro-Obama.

In case anyone's interested, the Intrade futures market continue to consolidate around Biden as European investors begin coming into the market this morning.

Biden's odds should be under 2-1 shortly. The market is also focusing on Bayh, Clark, Kaine, and Clinton. The Field contracts (any other candidate) continue to lose value as the market focuses on a shrinking number of viable possibilities.

Personally, I think it would be a hoot if the announcement came as a 3 a.m. phone call (or text message)...

NEW THREAD

Nite all, wake me up when the VP text message arrives, or Russia invades Poland -- whichever comes last

Forget about Georgia. Wake me when they invade Mississippi. THAT will be news!!

I'll link you to a blog I visit, warren...the host gives rachel maddow her dues here...the host is an editor and free lancer from the Detroit metro area, and is a former columnist and radio/TV host in Indiana...

http://nancynall.com/

Gracias Dex!

NEW THREAD

Absolutely not. If Obama doesn't choose the egomaniacs known as the Clintons, he will prove that he can both manage and win without them.

I like you Crawford, but it's people like you who KEEP putting the spotlight on the Clintons. It's about Obama, the Democratic Party, and the country right now. It's taking a hell of a long time for quite a few people to get that.

Get over Clintons. And get over it soon.