Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

woo

I won't ruin my summer with the possibility that this party who trashed the US reputation and bankrupted the nation can be returned to power.
I have had a large truckload of sand delivered to my yard for head-sticking-into.
But any country whose voters re-elected WBush can definitely top themselves.

Hmmmmmm..I just saw a news shot that said McCain wouldn't rule out a pro-choice veep. I say "saw" rather than "heard" because my tv is on mute pretty much of the time.

Corsi is really creepy looking - looks like a kid who whispers rumors about the other kid - gee, that's even what is is.

Corsi looks like the old single guy who still lives with his mom and who attends little league games and youth soccer games so he can fulfill his pedophile tendencies.

Eligibility Challenge, State-by-State: Act II

"... I suggested that there was an urgent need to make known and make use of the stunning information revealed by TexasDarlin and researchers regarding the potential ineligibility of Barack Obama to serve as President of the United States because of certain “technical” matters related to his legal name, birth certificate, and multiple citizenship.

These mere “technical” issues are those which may result in his removal from the ballot ..."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/14/eligibility-challenge-state-by-state-act-ii/

whaddya say, gordo.......how's the world treatin' ya?

*looking for dex*

There ya are!

tt

Fields: You were there the night I knocked Chicago Molly down werent you?

Fellow Bartender: YOU knocked her down........I'm the one knocked her down........

Fields: Welllllllll, yeah.......but I'm the one started kicking her........like to've broke my great toe......

Interviewer: Did she come back?

Fields: Wellllllllllllllllll.......

Fellow bartender: I'll say she came back......she came back the next week and beat both of us......

Fields: Yeaaaaaaaah..........but she had another woman WITH her.......

a memorhoid

A thing worth having is a thing worth cheating for.
W. C. Fields
Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people.
W. C. Fields
I always keep a supply of stimulant handy in case I see a snake--which I also keep handy.
W. C. Fields
- More quotations on: [Drinking]
I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.
W. C. Fields
- More quotations on: [Prejudice]
I never vote for anyone; I always vote against.
W. C. Fields
I've never struck a woman in my life, not even my own mother.

The Epitome of Fields: Enters the Black Pussy Cafe as J. Edgar Souse' .........accent grave over the "e"......wends his way to the bar where Shemp is holding down the fort of an early morning......

Fields (soto voce): Uh, Joe.......was I in here last night........and did I spend a twenty dollar bill?

Shemp: Well, Yeah....

Fields: ohhhhhh my........that's a load off my mind......I thought I'd lost it......

Jamie, where ever you are--

Are you taking a head count for the Trail Mix convention in northern
California in November?

I'm in southern Cal and think I may be able to join you all.

there's a fullish moon over the atlantic........great time of year for moon-over-the-atlanticking.........these certainly are dear little beaches down here..........when I was a kid these two beaches hadnt changed in thousands of years.....indians didnt change much.....they just ate the shrimp, crab, oysters, clams, scallops trout, bass and a little deer now and then......summer on the beach.......whoa........whatchoo got there, a gator tail? Homely Momely.....le's cook um.

we grew up with it like that and then about the time we were thru with childhood, the beaches became property, so to speak......the Kuwaiti's bought one and some other guys developed the other one and fore you know it..........there's people from all over the united states buildiing homes on the beaches........real nice homes......if you know what I mean.........

Bear - yeah, just plain flat creepy - maybe like a
Dickens criminal. He just looks covered in slime.

fields played in david copperfield.......I think it was copperfield......Mr Micawbur......

Sturge - yeah, but Mr Micawber was a nice guy! I see Corsi as maybe a Uriah Heep or Mr Murdstone.

I don't know if this is news to anybody - I just got this in an email and thought you might find it interesting. Oh, yeah, forgot to say it's from British Airways.

""I am writing to you to ensure that you are one of the first to hear about the latest news from British Airways. Today we have reached agreement with American Airlines and Iberia to form a joint business, which if approved, will enable us to co-operate on flights from the UK and Continental Europe to the US, Canada and Mexico.

"""We plan to file for worldwide anti-trust immunity from the US Department of Transportation. The European Commission will also review the deal. If successful, we will be able to form a closer working relationship providing significant benefits for customers. All three airlines will continue to operate under our separate brands."""

It's not a bad thing, by the way........the beach is still right there just like it used to be and the people here are liable to be from anywhere in the world and parts of Texas.......the next Hugo will settle a few accounts, (I'll be watching from Asheville)......but these things always even out.......in the meantime I got to install some cabinets in Tara Lupinski's beach house........Her parents are nice peoples........from Sugarland Texas.....that's one of those parts of texas I'se talkin' bout........old Eddie Rabbit was here for a bit also......nice new jersey boy.........

I dont do the flying thing........

sturgeone and bethyboo,

Uriah Heep is a truly creepy villian in "David Copperfield."

Heep is notable for his fake, cloying humility and insincerity. He's a greedy person fueled by ambition. He always says, "I'm just a humble person,"
only he pronounces humble, "umble."

Whenever I think of a really swarmy person, I think of Uriah Heep.

dont bother y'all to be way up in the air with no visible means of support and only able to mystically rely on a hope that all the mechanics were nice folks who sleep o' nights...........?

Not to mention the pilot might pick this ONE trip to completely freak out because of Sylvia and her utter betrayal of his sacred trust........

and then there......well......rock up hill, rock down hill......tomorrow........more rock, more hill......

I saw david copperfield in the eighth grade.......had a goofy teacher who showed us movies.......Lt. Badger....never read the little dickens and dont remember much about it right off the bat.....I guess if I were to sit down and ponder it, I could recall more of it.......I just keep remembering that dickens was paid by the letter........ponderous........

I cant think about Uriah Heep without that Ethan Frome dude popping into it........really strange kind of blockage........

Swami Reeva.......knows all sees all.......i shall ask the magic eight ball at jamie's site and relay to you all the answer you seek forthwith.........

Sturge- it sounds like you had a lovely childhood. Things have chenged a lot here with building on the beaches and then in some towns they started giving out parking stickers so you can't even go to the beach there anymore. That part stinks. I really miss the big bon fire parties held on the beach, between the dunes (so the cops didn't find us) They were pisser!!

I don't fly either- I decided a while back that I can get just about anyplace I want by train or boat. Not that it much matters , never have enough money to go anywhere anyways. If I can get to america,the mainland, i'm doing good.

there were fires on the beach and purple jesus.......the girls would stand before the fire, and the wind would blow their hair.........

and skinny dipping too.

I'll tell ya tha truth.......I never was able to be a party to any great degree of actual "skinny dipping".........not as much as I might'a wanted to have been anyways......

always been a little scared of swimming in the dark, feeding time for the big fish, but i guess thats part of the thrill. do you have phosphorescence there? pretty cool stuff, all green and glowy, looking like a human light stick

phosphorescence..........yep.....run an outboard down the creek at night real slow and lean over the back and it's a regular lsd show...........where you at?

I mean.........aside from "behind the 'at' ".

well i did it, not as bold as some others though, If the boys were around i'd take my suit off in the water. i wasn't a prude, just self conscious i guess. damn, if i knew now what i knew then and looked that way too.i'd get buck naked whenever the hell i wanted and not worry who saw me.

i'm up in ma, on martha's vineyard. our phosphorescence doesn't last too long here, its like a summer treat. it was here a few weeks ago, i missed it. probably wouldn't have gone out anyways, the great whites were here too. where are you and what do you fish for there?

chasson sc........I dont try to catch fish anymore.......cant imagine why........now and then maybe a "weakfish" (trout) or a bluefish or a spot-tailed bass..........throw the net for the mullet and shrimp......pull up de trap fo' da crabman........

day-oh.

never been to chasson, Is your water blue there? My brother built a golf course on Fripp, wanted to buy a lot there- when they were 15 thousand a piece. guess that was a while ago. my family is in st. simons ga, the water is brown there but they got great shrimp! We use to go to the beach with a long net and catch them.

I must arise and sleep now..........danke schorenz

Do you have a lot of tourists? We got so many in Aug. that I feel like i live in a video game when I'm driving.

Good morning peeps! All that talk earlier about beaches and things to do on them brought me back. Until I moved to the Wash, DC area I always lived walking distance from the beach or right on the beach. I'm landlocked in VA now -- with two weeks left to summer, I probably won't get to the beach at all this summer. Maybe a bay beach. There's a great one in Calvert County Maryland that's only about an hour from DC. It's loaded with fossils -- shark teeth in abundance in the sand. The bay at that point is so wide you can't see across, so I can imagine that I'm on the ocean.

Well here I am, it is a Belgian holiday and I sure am glad because I was bustin' my butt last week re-organizing sections of my shop.

About McCain... ewwww. I thought he was such a pr**k during the Clinton impeachment brouhaha. Anyway, if the Dems can't carry the election in 2008, they might as well pack up and go home. This is probably the most favourable Democratic election situation I have witnessed. So, if Obama looses, it doesn't say much for the electability of the Democratic party. Having said that, I do think he will win, but it should be a shoo-in and so far we aren't seeing that.

I hope Hillary will dazzle the attendees at the Democratic National Convention and, particularly, in pushing the NEED to unify behind Obama to win the White House for the Dems again. It is imperative I believe.

Oldseahag, my partner is from Liguria, Italy, the Italian Riviera! Right now it is OVERFLOWING with European and American tourists. I visited last year in October and it was quieter then. Saw beautiful Portofino, etc.

If anyone here is on MY SPACE, I got photos of my Italian escapades at http://www.myspace.com/eurotom

Obama/Clinton 2008

Both of the presumed candidates are flawed....they have a penis. I am sure it is written down some where that the POTUS for 2008 was NOT supposed to have penis. A penis just continues to get this world into trouble. Look what Edward's penis did for him!

good morning gang....

Blonde wino..... ROFL!

oldseahag... my hubby and I went to Martha's Vineyard 30 yrs ago.... the scenery was spectacular.... but as relaxing beach vacations go, we thought it was too overcrowded back then..... can only imagine what it's like now....
we love to go to the beaches in Maine..... and find September to be the best time.....

yeah.... I want the Democrats to regain the WH too.... just can't shake my friend's prediction from back in December that McCain would be our next prez..... it's coming too close to being true for comfort....

Good for you, BW. Edwards? He's just a pecker with ears. Still not too late.

A pecker with ears...something for Rielle to grab on to!

Over the past two evenings, Stinky and I have been watching the so-called director's cut of Heaven's Gate. I guess the film got panned when it first came out, but we find it really close to the real world. We'll finish it up tonight.

Took more than 30-years for Stinky to see the ending of Dr Zhivago--she always fell asleep somewhere around the two hour point. That was back in the days of drive-ins.

We haven't been to a movie house in more than 30-years. Don't do dvds and the vcrs are broken. We really like our HD dvrs. Really great films on HDNet Movies and MGMHD.

Yeah, I know there's a _lot_ of animal cruelty in the film.

Flatus...thanks for bringing up Dr. Zhivago...used to be my Mom's favorite movie. Timely today given the situation in Georgia. Nothing like a russian novel.

EuroTom-- I've been following this story from Belgium....unbelievable:

http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/map/abhilash/htmlpages/Onam_Brussels.html

Good Morning all
Here's good read from USNews..."One might also call it an admission that the Obama campaign is desperate to win the 20% or so of her 18 million supporters who have been telling pollsters they will not vote for Sen.Barack Obama"

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/8/14/hillary-clintons-name-will-go-into-nomination/

"well i did it, not as bold as some others though, If the boys were around I'd take my suit off in the water. i wasn't a prude, just self conscious"
--oldseahag

So, I take it you don't go to the nude beach, by the cliffs...yikes!!

We love Martha's Vineyard...we try to get there as often as possible, but we never, never, never go in the summer.

I think it would be soooo cool to live there(you must love it)...even with all the tourists!!

Patsi...thanks for the flowers...must take time to smell the tubers.

Must work...I am off on a 3 day project. Have a great day, all!

This morning's Journal--an oped:
'How the West
Fueled Putin's
Sense of Impunity'
By GARRY KASPAROV:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121876037443642795.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

"Left Behind authors don't think Obama is the antichrist. Whew."

ROFL. And here I was pissed about Obama's FISA vote and not allowing Charlie Rangel a spot at the convention! Who knew, I could have been pissed that he's the Devil! :)

RE: the Brussels Begonia display....I still remember driving to Amsterdam in 1970, miles and miles and miles of tulip fields....like the waving wheat fields in Kansas -- but wild colors...just beautiful.

Craig, I was looking at the Dem Convention schedule of speakers. Who is left to do the VP acceptance speach? Everyone else mentioned by the pundits has already been given a slot.

Good Morning. I haven't read all the posts yet, but feel the need to comment on Craigs blog.

"Still, the bad news for McCain is that he has had to work so hard for the voters who should have been in his column long ago." CC

Craig,
At least they have had the honor of McCain working for their votes and actually thinking their votes are important.

The Obama campaign made it clear months ago that they had a new coalition, and didn't need the working class. I haven't seen any signs of his campaign trying to correct that perception.

Today , Aug 14, is VJ Day - Victory over Japan Day.
Aug 14 1945, Emperor Hirohito surrendered. The History Channel will air today some of the WWII clips.
I am currently reading Leon Uris - Battle Cry - about WWII Marines - Huxley's 6th regiment called "Huxley's Whores". An extremely good book , if you like that kind.Someone here recommended Uris and I realized it had been a long time since I had read his books.

Julie

Dog, Busy morning and I just now finished reading the posts.

You're right. I haven't been looking (I wonder how many more there are like me?) I haven't been watching the news and get it all on line. And haven't seen the changes you're talking about.
But I'll take your word for it.

But Obama hasn't done as much for women's economic issues as John Edwards has. Just look at his work for unwed mothers.

Good morning Corey

How are you and yours?

Good Morning, Chloe. Just getting ready and getting packed for the drive to Ohio this morning. And then it's back to Adrian for the visitation tonight. How are you?

Obama has made his lack of interest in women and the working class very clear. He may need to just shut up for the rest of the contest. Yesterday I had a call from a guy who was a strong supporter early on, voted for O in the TN primary -- and who is now less than enthused. FISA was part of it, and lack of substance was another.

This guy says that now he finds himself not wanting to listen to Obama give a speech about anything. And I'm serious -- he was a STRONG primary believer.

It won't matter what any Tennessee Democrats do, but if that guy's attitude is spreading, Obama might need to rethink.

Good. But will be happy when we get to see more of you here again. And sorry to know what it is you're going through right now. But hang in there.

Julie.... I read many of Leon Uris' books when I was 16-18 yrs of age..... he was my father's favorite author.... I recall "Exodus" as being my favorite....

Corey.... I thought about you last night.... hope you are doing well.....

Patsi.... yes! ..... beautiful flowers!

mornin' all.

Craig, I've made a few adjustments to your 3rd paragraph.

Athough "veering to the right of the ideological spectrum to win those votes" might lead you to expect that to "cost him the support of middle-of-the-road Americans who tip the balance in November", for some reason inexplicable other than the voters polled just haven't bought Obama and his message, that cost is not reflected in the current polls or the trends in support reflected in the summer's polls.

Frankly, I don't understand how a majority of the middle, comprised of swing voters and independents, which we have been told ad infinitum that Obama as the candidate could attract, all appearances to the contrary, could buy McCain's simple, stupid, dishonest line of horse sh*t (sorry 'dooty), but if dems actually do hold an edge in voters, that is what is happening. The difference from between 5 & 6 points to about 3 in the national polls in the past couple of weeks isn't dramatic and probably not a huge cause for panic, but it is a trend in the wrong direction. dog, if he does care and is reaching out, to the middle class and working class, the polls suggest it isn't having the desired effect. All I can say is I hope his batteries get recharged in Hawaii, because McCain is doing a better job of convincing voters that he should be then next president than Obama is.

hmm guess I am a date late and dollar short as the saying goes - VJ Day was yesterday. Always seem to know the day - but rarely the date. getting old is not for sissies.

julie

We couldn't get a hotel room in Adrian, because there is a NASCAR race at MIS this weekend. All the hotels are booked solid. We are staying in Maumee, just south of Toledo. Almost an hour from Adrian! Well, I think I'm packed. Time to go. Be back tomorrow night! Bye all!

LOL at the "Left Behind" comments above. A few years ago my sister sent me the first book of the series to take and read on vacation. The further I got into the book, the more I thought she had lost her mind and gone all holy roller on me. When I asked her about it, she said she hadn't gone over the edge, but she just thought it was a good thriller (albeit with a message that left me wonderiing what the hell she was thinking). You all do understand they are authors, writing fictional works to sell to an audience they identified as having money and a desire to spend it on novels with a Christian theme and are not necessarily experts on who might be or might not be the antichrist, don't you? Frankly, I found The DaVinci Code much better.

Politico has article on Helen Thomas Documentary.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12543.html

julie

Thanks for linking that politico article on Helen's documentary Julie. It's nice to have the variety you add to the conversation.

I'd also like to thank you for pointing out that Best Seller list (on books) at the appropriate time the other day. I appreciated it.

Iraq May Be Stable,
But the War Was a Mistake

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121876047023242841.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

..." adds LaHaye, "but from my reading of scripture, he doesn't meet the criteria. There is no indication in the Bible that the antichrist will be an American."

I may have missed something in my sunday school days, and I was admittedly a poor student of all things Christian, but I don't recall any mention of America in Reveleations. LOL

"Your friend sounds seriously disappointed in the FISA vote; "

Yeah...he's just bent completely out of shape, dog. About that and some other pandering issues. He wouldn't vote for McCain, but is disgusted to the point of maybe sitting out the first election in his life.

But, as I told him -- "What the hell, you believed enough to vote for him in the primary. So you might as well go for it. Meanwhile, I'll hope for the best, but am buying a 'Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary' bumper sticker'." :)

January 20th so close yet so far.

"Another flub? Bush vowed Navy aid to Georgia too soon"

"The president was writing checks to the Georgians without knowing what he had in the bank," said a senior administration official."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/48293.html

Jack

Barack Obama blinks in Hillary face-off

Obama blinked and stands guilty of appeasing Clinton by agreeing to a roll call vote for her nomination. That he might not have had much choice if he wanted peace only proves the point that he's playing defense at his own convention.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/08/14/2008-08-14_barack_obama_blinks_in_hillary_faceoff.html

Oh, I'm also trying to track down another bumper sticker....saw it the other day and my sister and I almost choked laughing.

Bumper sticker read:

"Fat people are harder to kidnap."

Craig

You missed something in that Pew poll.

For all of his trouble with his base, McCain is bringing his base around faster than Obama

Jack

'Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary' bumper sticker'." :)

Patsi, Let us know where we can get them. (just kidding:)

"Fat people are harder to kidnap."
Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 15, 2008 9:51 AM

Uh oh Patsi. Prepare yourself to get some flak over that one today.

Chloe

~~It wasn't Obama who caved, He was the one who had to convince HRC to have her name placed in nomination~~

This quote from the NY times so it must be true.

"The former rivals never spoke directly about the matter, but advisers said Mr. Obama encouraged Mrs. Clinton to agree to place her name into nomination as a nod to the historic nature of her candidacy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/us/politics/15clinton.html?ref=us

;-P

Jack

"Fat people are harder to kidnap."
Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | August 15, 2008 9:51 AM

Uh oh Patsi. Prepare yourself to get some flak over that one today.

Ha! Chloe -- I gotta tell you that just cracked me up. My sister's been bitching about her weight and she said she'd practically kill for one of those. (Not that she'd ever put it on her car....she's not exactly the bumper sticker type.)

"The Nation" but it's an excellent read.

Progressives in the Obama Moment

"Electric. When Barack Obama receives the Democratic presidential nomination before 75,000 people in Denver's Mile High Stadium on the forty-fifth anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, new possibilities will be born. A historic candidacy, a new generation in motion, a nation yearning for change. Even the cynics running the McCain campaign might be touched, if they weren't so busy savaging Obama as a vain celebrity not up to the task of leading a nation."

"A Sea-Change Election
The Obama nomination sets the stage for a sea-change election, one that could not only elect a Democratic President and increased reform majorities in both houses of Congress but also mark a clear turn from the conservative ideas that have dominated our politics for three decades."

"When John F. Kennedy was elected President, he too summoned a new generation into politics. While Kennedy's agenda was limited, the energy he unleashed helped build the civilizing movements of the following decades--the antiwar, civil rights, women's, environmental and gay rights movements."

"As a former community organizer, Obama has taught that "real change comes from the bottom up."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080901/borosage_kvh

Patsi, I'm not a bumper sticker person either. But I thought it was really funny too.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128307

Jack, funny. A different take.

Chloe,
Thanks. Corsi is just the starting point. Like Jamie said yesterday, if only 10% of the people believe the Corsi stuff, wow..With it being a bestseller, how many are going to believe BO countering?
The gop probably have more stuff , on Obama, if all the adjectives and expletives were used, it would make the dictionary look empty. They will unload on him just before the convention, when he has not enough time to counter it. Good article on the convention , your 9:50 post. Politico has a question re Mark Warner being keynote speaker. 43% yes, 13 no, 39% said who is he.

I know Julie. I'd personally never read the book and am not interested in what's in it. I just thought it was interesting that so many people would read it. I'm not sure what to make of that.

Julie

The Corsi book is for the koolaid drinkers in the Republican party. It will have little to no effect beyond provideing entertainment for the hobbyist.
Any attempt by BHO to dispell it gives it more validity then if it is just ignored.

Jack

Alright, I had to leave bruptly yesterday and missed Gordo & flatus' posts to me.

First, gordo.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/an-olympic-dream.html#comment-128126

Gordo, not to differ with you just for the hell of it, but bullshit. You spent almost the entire summer trying to show that the "fake" COLB suggested that Obama was born somewhere other than HI, rendering him unqualified to serve as POTUS by virtue of not meeting the Article II requirements. You certainly used the sophistic approach to do it by demanding that he prove the posted one was not a fake, but your intent was clear. And in many states, if the parents of a baby are not married, the father must sign a consent to have his name placed on the birth certificate. I'm not sure whether the COLB of HI is the same as the BC in most states, but I assume it is since it is issued by the state. At least here, an adoption only changes the father's name on a birth certificate if the adoptive parents petition the court after or as part of the adoption to change the father's name on the BC AND the natural father consents to the change, and the court finds it is in the best insterests of the child to do that (it is done infrequently at best). Assuming he was adopted by Sotero - which I do not concede was the case notwithstanding a school record that might suggest otherwise (parents lie to schools all the time about their kids' fathers, and schools don't generally require much documentation of anything beyohnd what the parents put on the school's documents) that would not necessarily require him to give up his American citizenship, and I'd venture to suggest that neither you nor I are familiar enough with the conflicts between Indonesian law and American law on citizenship to even intelligently argue the issue, so BFD.

Flatus, the purpose of my post to which you responded was simple - to point out that we (in this case McCain, which was the point) have no problem condeming other countries for violating international law in the same manner that we have violated it and have damn little credibility in our criticisms - particularly when they are uttered by the Idiot in Chief or his would be successor and surrogate. It was specifically in resposne to McCain's editorial, so if your intent was to change the subject, fine, but the argument was the editorial and his credibility, not the conduct of foreign affairs, and therefor did not distract from the argument. My post was pointing out the lack of credibility of McCain's WSJ editorial - not to stake a position on Iraq. It was in the context of the presidential election, not in the context of the conduct of foreign affairs with warring nations. I suggest you read his editorial - it is worth the time whether you agree with him or not.

I do agree that in the conduct of our foreign affairs going forward McCain's lack of credibility in his editorial comments during the election cycle is not the focus we should have, but rather should focus on what our appropriate role WRT the countries involved in such disputes should be. And I can't improve on what you wrote - in it's context I agree with most of it.

Looks like the conservative base of gop are up in arms about talk of Ridge being VP.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12542.html

Jack: Yes, Mccain is pulling a lot of his campaign together and it may be a tough row to beat him.
As the old saying goes: If the democrats can screw it up, they will. It has been shown Hillary could have beat McCain. BO may not. Sure is going to be interesting to see who their VP are, and if it will make a difference.

Julie

Jack, I hope you're right about the Corsi book. By the time MSNBC returns to its regulaly scheduled programming after the Olympics, it will hopefully be yesterday's news and only have exposure on Fox. The guy is a repug 'ho, and I hope no one in the soft middle gives his opinion the time of day.

Oh, two corrections - Soetero and Phillipine law.

Julie
If, by some miracle, Obama should choose Hillary as veep, he would immediately go up in my estimation. He would have my vote with no further thought.

A lot of her supporters don't want her on the ticket. I understand that too. But I'd personally feel a lot more secure (for the country) if she were in that office with him.

And Flatus, this is also a good read, linked yesterday by chloe (thanks for the good work) on that subject or near it, anyway, the bulk of which I agree.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/everyones-a-cri.html

Trivia, but...

Top 10 favourite songs of Barack Obama and John McCain

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2008/08/14/top_10_favourite_songs_of_barack_obama_and_john_mccain_

Chloe,
A person can't be for and against something at the same time. But Hillary being Veep, lordy it goes both ways. I believe Patsi is correct in that every little mis-step by BO will be blamed on Hillary.. Shucks we have already seen it right here on this blog.

julie

Yeah, why would you think being No. 1 on the NYT best seller list for hard bound non fiction books suggests people are actually reading Corsi?

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/index.html

RFLMFAO

I just hope it fades quickly and Corsi doesn't get airtime promoting it in the runup to Nov.

Pogo, The scary thing is that Wright will be promoting his stuff in the runup to November.

"I believe Patsi is correct in that every little mis-step by BO will be blamed on Hillary."

Yes Julie. But that will happen no matter what. It's a given.

Pogo

By November it will be on the discount table at your local B&N, if not already in the land fill.
But I sure there will be several others by then. Even more Gordo like in the sillyness department.. Food for the faithfull so they don't wonder.

Jack

Jack, I think you were right the first time. The only ones who listen to that stuff are the ones that are already on the other side. People are not as dumb as some like to think they are.

Chloe

That is the book Obama needs to address, because it does have the potential to damage him. The right wing smears are just that and everybody knows it. But a book by Obama's long time pastor will be looked at by potential voters.

Jack

The Clintons Are Here to Stay
Get used to it. They are not going away. Anyone who thought that Barack Obama had sent Hillary Clinton back to the Senate to atone for her campaign's sins or banished her husband, baying at the moon, into the wilderness was deluded.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/the_clintons_are_here_to_stay.html

Jack, not sure about that.
I, for one, have heard enough from him to last me the rest of my life. And I'm pretty much the 'average joe', so maybe others have lost interest too.

Have a good day all.

Jack that may be, and I hope you're right, but right now it's #1 on NYTBSL & #3 at Amazon - and I'd bet the Amazon sales are mostly individuals. The silver lining is that while I have absolutely nothing other than gut instinct to base this on, I would guess that the vast majority of those who buy the book already plan to vote against Obama, so it's impact may not be as bad as its sales figures might suggest.

flatus, looks like there is no cooling off period happening between us and Russia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/world/europe/16poland.html?hp

A couple of days ago and associate of Wright said there is no book and that this is just a net rumor. He is currently in Africa with a group of ministers teaching and once he returns will be working on other things but the release of a book and personal appearances aren't on the list.

pogo ----------------

Did you see this?

Eligibility Challenge, State-by-State: Act II

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/14/eligibility-challenge-state-by-

===========================================

Why has Obama never shown the COLB except on the net? Do you really believe he will be able to withstand the legal attack planned by the Repubs? The COLB is only one of many documents he has refused to make public. Most of the info about Obama's background seems to be from one source - Obama. As investigators look into his past, they find the facts don't match Obama's story.

Obama wants the job of POTUS. It is up to him to show that he meets the requirements. Why do we have to prove that he doesn't? It is in his interest to lie. Prove he is not. His past has been scrubbed to the best of his ability. If you and others here would get away from MSM, there is much to learn.

Obama can get away with spin now. The Repubs are ready to "destroy" Obama - they have the ammo. No need to lie about him.

". . .I'd bet the Amazon sales are mostly individuals."

Chloe, What are going to do with a garage full of books. lol

About Corsi's book sales.....A friend of mine said that her church not only is making it available to members of church but also planned to provide books to members of the community. She was unsure how this was to be accomplished but in the past it had been done at community events.

Well that has always been my gripe about organized religion. They build huge muti-million church buildings so that they can appear bigger and more powerful than their competition when they could take the same money and truly affect people's lives for the better. Seems to me that the latter would be a bigger more prestigious "symbol" of power.

TB

Looks like the Republican network is swinging into full gear. So much for that not supporting McCain rumor.

Jack

Jack

You know what they say......Republicans fall in line. Democrats fall in love.

". . .I'd bet the Amazon sales are mostly individuals."
Chloe, What are going to do with a garage full of books. lol
Posted by: Rezdog | August 15, 2008 11:29 AM

Rezdog, I just added you to my "knothead" list.
You obviously don't pay attention and have no idea what I stand for.

The Beauty of Imperfection
"China isn't burdened by such concerns. Sentimentality doesn't enter into the totalitarian equation. In such a world, innocence is irrelevant and deceit is a lesson best learned young. Who cares that a little girl was told she wasn't pretty enough to be seen by the world and that her voice -- though lovely -- belonged not to her, but to the homeland?"

http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/park080815.htm

BTW Jack

Been working alot this summer up in your neck of the state. Mostly east of St, Joe. Nice people up there. Have enjoyed it very much so far. Looking forward to going back in a couple of weeks.

gordo, I had not seen that, but it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the law. The only state that might colorably have standing to even bring up the issue of Obama's eligibility based on the technical matters that Johnson (heavily relyingon Judah Benjamin) mentions is Hawaii. The other states are bound by the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution to accept Hawaii's laws on the issue f his birth and naming there. But even that doesn't matter, because only the federal government has jurisdiction over the citizenship of an individual and as a result over the eligibility of a citizen to be president. It is, as they say, a matter of federal law exclusively. Oh, and to take issue with his recitation of the 14th amendment - one of the primary purposes of that amendment is to apply federal law to the states. And note that Obama has never suggested that ONLY the 14th amendment applies to establish his citizenship, and only nutcases like Johnson ignore that part of the 14th that mirrors Article II. This makes Don Quixote's quest look like a meritorious one.

The dual citizenship and allegiance arguments are not based in the Constitutional eligibility requirements or in the law best I can tell. Were there merit to them, the FEC could file suit in federal court to challenge them, but absent facts to support that or laws that prohibit such arrangements, we lawyers call those type arguments red herrings. I'm sure you've heard the phrase.

I find this inclusion interesting - "Because of the hostility I have already experienced, and the threats to my safety and career that I may incur by openly challenging Senator Obama’s eligibility for the Office of the President, I respectfully request that my name be withheld from the public, democratic or republican party officials, or other public officials in any discussion of this issue. I can be reached by you or your staff at ____________________." It is suggesting that people who have been or may be exposed to no such threats lie to the SoS of their state to avoid having their names released. It is stupid.

And you do not know that Obama has not shown the COLB other than on the net; you only know that he has not shown it TO YOU or Johnson other than on the net. The FEC has standing to challenge his eligibility and it has not. Considering that it is an arm of the Bush administration, I can see no reason that it would not have done so if it had not satisfied itself that he was indeed born in Hawaii to a US citizen or was otherwise disqualified to serve.

Straws can be found on aisle 7 - buy a box and keep grasping.

chloe, didn't last long, did it?

As if we couldn't have guessed, Amazon has already let it be known that the main reason the Corsi book will debut at number one is that there have been a large number of "bulk slaes" for books to be sold or given away by groups not because there are individuals racing to buy the thing.

If you really must pick it up on your own, I would suggest rubber gloves and tongs.

My mistake pogo. I forgot to check my list and accidentally saw his post. Won't happen again.

the problem I see with the Corsi book is not the number of sales it makes..... but the fact that the pundits are all talking about it....

the political round table on the Diane Rehm Show devoted about 15 minutes of an hour discussion on it this morning...... this stuff can become part of the atmosphere just by the mere discussions happening.....

on another note..... in the headlines of one of the tabloids I saw in the grocery store this morning..... "Bush and Laura to separate after they leave they WH.... she has bought her own house in Dallas"...... I laughed..... but after the Enquirer getting the Edwards' affair correct.... who knows..... lol....

pogo -------------------------------

"And you do not know that Obama has not shown the COLB other than on the net; you only know that he has not shown it TO YOU or Johnson other than on the net."

Do you really believe that? Think that info would not be out for everyone? Continue to spin and defend. If Obama is the nominee, he will be legally challenged on his eligibility - state by state. At some point, spin meets reality. He would be forced to provide documentation.

"a large number of "bulk sales" for books to be sold "

Chloe,
Stupid me! *slaps forehead* What an idea!. Buy em cheap in bulk, and then turn around and sell em to your friends with a mark up. Our local B&N has a bunch of hymnals on sale.

Later,

*heading to the garage*

btw put me at the top of the list.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128366

What I believe is that you (Johnson, Benjamin, etc.) have no proof that Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be president and the Commission that has the responsibility to oversee elections and the ability and legal standing to challenge a candidate's qualifications has not challenged his eligibility. Look, wholly aside from being a lawyer and looking at things from that perspective, I was and am a Clinton supporter, and if I thought there was any merit to your quest I would be in there pushing your position. Aisle 7.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128357

jamie, this actually gives me some cold comfort.

pogo -----------------------------------

"The FEC has standing to challenge his eligibility and it has not. Considering that it is an arm of the Bush administration, I can see no reason that it would not have done so if it had not satisfied itself that he was indeed born in Hawaii to a US citizen or was otherwise disqualified to serve."

"I can see no reason that it would not have done so"

How can you believe that? Why would they? Obama is the One the Repubs have been waiting for. Challenge him AFTER he gets the nomination, not before.

The Repubs have so much "dirt" on Obama, they will have trouble deciding what to use and put aside. Have to keep things simple - the public is not able to cope with detail.

The insecure Obama supporters, not the normal ones are in deep defense mode as they see the potential their candidate could actually a victory reliant on McCain imploding.

Hence, the vitriolic onslaught on a daily basis.

One way to avoid much of this..not always perfect, is to create your own "knothead list" identifying those who attack on a regular basis. This blog, like other parts of life, is much better if you ignore the knoteads.

could actually lose. I left out"lose"

Rez

Top of what list?

Stupid me! *slaps forehead* Rezdog

You said it, not me.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128349

Jamie,
I've just been teasing with Chloe and tying in your quotes. Nothing directed at you.

Pogo, was off doing honey do's .

I trust neither Mr Obama nor Mr McCain to do as they suggest they will do if elected. Of the two, I trust Mr Obama the least. I do trust Mrs Clinton, but her chances of securing a nomination are exceedingly slim.

So, if the words of candidate 'O' and candidate 'M' are not to be trusted, and candidate 'C' is much less than likely to be elected, then why should we waste time pondering their future actions based on their past assurances?

Seems to me that we should be working together to create a [gasp!] Dictatorship of the Proletariat where poor clods such as we, are able to state our immutable goals.

Which takes us back to Dr Zhivago.

As it stands right now, I consider my vote to be meaningless.

Yeah, all just teasing. Nothing mean there, right Rez?

Flatus: mine too .. Kentucky has been a red state as far back as i can remember .. I never could undwerstand that, since Ky is a poor state .. some whole countries are called Welfare counties, since there's hardly any work ...

Right now though, we're trying to get that "rat face" Mitch McConnell out .. would love to see him replaced with a Dem ...

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/electionbrief.html?id=13483-8669588-sf9SDsx&t=1

While you're at it Jamie, look what he's accusing me of.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128378

By The way. If we end up doing Asilomar as planned, I would suggest Saturday dinner or Sunday brunch in one of the private rooms (depending on number of people) at Fandango

http://www.fandangorestaurant.com/index.html

This is where the locals go rather than the wharf. It's expensive, but the food is incredible and it is only five minutes driving time from Asilomar.

All other meals can be at The Crocker Dining Hall and included in room rates.

Okay Rez. I was hoping you wanted to fly to California in November.

Gordo, you are naive to think that the Bush administration FEC would wait until after the nomination to move on that and allow the Dems to build any momentum through their convention. Filing now would serve the purpose of injecting uncertainty into the Dem selection process - why now instead of after the convention? Because McCain is on a (small) roll and now would be the time to increase his momentum, plus nothing other than notice to the public that a suit has been filed would occur in the next 2 weeks. Even the repugs are not stupid enough to think that waiting until after the nomination would be a better way to capitalize on the current momentum McCain is enjoying by introducing chaos in to the process and screwing the process up royally.

Besides, there is no legal impediment I know of to prevent someone who is not qualified to hold an office from running for it (assuming they meet the requirements of the FEC to run at all) and an argument can be made that until an unqualified candidate has been elected, no legally cognizable harm upon which to base a lawsuit has occurred. And do you really believe that the Democratic party apparatus is unaware of this threat of legal action and has not investigated the merits of such an action in anticipation of it? Even I give them that much credit.

And he will not be challenged successfully state to state - federal jurisdiction and comity will prevent that.

Look, this is a wholly republican effort to find a procedural way to defeat the Democratic nominee that smacks of the same dirty politics of innuendo that Rove developed to an art form and as a democrat, I don't support any of it.

Updated Translation of Indonesian School Record

"The photo, which was verified Thursday by the AP, provides compelling evidence that Barack Obama once had the legal name Barry Soetoro; had Indonesian citizenship; and was Islam. All of this contradicts official and unofficial information provided by Barack Obama.

As we noted in the breaking story, Obama failed to disclose his former name to the Illinois Supreme Court when registering for the Bar. "

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/updated-translation-of-indonesian-school-
record/

Hey Chloe, it's not like I told you to go jump off a bridge. lol

I'm a old knothead with a strange sense of humor and teasing.

Chloe....
some Native Americans can have a very dry and subtle wit that is easily misinterpreted.....

I have a "knothead" list too..... but Rezdog is not and I doubt ever will be on it.....

Chloe/Rez

I get in enough trouble all by myself. Try to leave me out of this one. lol

My only opinion is that the Corsi book should be treated like all other unwanted deposits and carried away in a pooper scooper.

The sooner everyone stops pointing at it and remarking how awful it is, the sooner it can die a well deserved death.

"Okay Rez. I was hoping you wanted to fly to California in November."

Jamie,

I mentioned it to DW and we discussed the road trip down 101 & 1. Something we've never done but thought about. She's a CC fan. Keep you posted.

"...why should we waste time pondering their future actions based on their past assurances?"

Nah, flatus, I don't suggest that. I think that we (the US) are in a particularly weak position as a result of our recent past actions to be standing before the world community as if holier than thou against Russia in this instance. Tha's all.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128387

Isn't this a repeat?

Viv, it would be a whole lot easier to ditch Mitch if Hillary were the nominee. People around here rarely vote split ticket where the presidential race is involved.

Probably best to do a series of regional meet & greets, Jamie. Ain't no way I'd spend the money to fly to CA to talk about Obama! :)

Rez

That is one of the most wonderful drives in the world. I've actually considered the alternative of driving down from Washington simply because I've never done the Oregon coast.

Pogo! I meant pondering our candidates' future actions. I _know_ what the Russians have in mind.

Patsi

Who wants to talk about Obama. I was thinking more along the line of you, Patsi, and me drowning our sorrows at a variety of interesting locations.

some Native Americans can have a very dry and subtle wit that is easily misinterpreted.....
I have a "knothead" list too..... but Rezdog is not and I doubt ever will be on it.....Posted by: RebelliousRenee

Thank you Renee.
It won't be the first time I've misinterpreted something.. And if I did, I apologize to Rez.

I'm a bit on the defensive her at times, because of previous bad experiences. I'll try harder to not jump to conclusions.

jeejee: Yes, I know .. but I can hope & wish, lol

!:^D
viv

Jamie

Pooper scooper is the appropriate way to deal with it alright, but the problem books like this is that people, especially those with sheep tendencies usually believe what they read. And once the idea is out there it is like trying to incorrect credit information out of the credit industries database. Once it's in the computer it spreads everywhere and there are always people who are going to swear it's the truth.

Chloe: I know exactly what you mean .......

Jamie,

I've done the OR coast down to Florence (midway) but DW hasn't , however, I understand the CA coast is Number 1.
I assume in mid Nov there's no winter concerns? Isn't it all lowlands except maybe the Siskyous?

Anyone know winter road conditions for 101 & 1?

Hey Chloe, it's not like I told you to go jump off a bridge. lol

I'm a old knothead with a strange sense of humor and teasing.

Posted by: Rezdog | August 15, 2008 1:31 PM

Sorry Rez. I guess I belong on the knothead list.

Later.

pogo ------------------------

"Gordo, you are naive to think that the Bush administration FEC would wait until after the nomination to move on that and allow the Dems to build any momentum through their convention."

Please, try to stop spinning. I know - that's what lawyers do.

Ever heard of an "October" surprise? Understand how quickly public opinion can change?

Chloe,

I was teasing hard (mean) so no apology needed.
Corsi's fault . lol

Someone posted late yesterday about all the nasty things he's written and said over the years about several pol. leaders including Hillary. I don't think you'd be mentioning those titles.

flatus, I'm not arguing with you. I think we can predict the future as soon as it becomes the past - if we were paying attention in the present. Again, I was criticizing McCain's editorial based on our diminished standing in the world thanks to the Dumya administration, using Iraq as an example to make the point. btw, you better have gotten those honey do's done.

well, am out of here, too .. I was hoping I could sit here for awhile, but this damn chair isn't comfortable .. plus got to do some wash for tonight .. My kids are taking to to "The Shadow Box" , to celebrate my BD, which is SUnday .. hopefully by the end of this weekend, will have a new chair, my brother mentioned getting one for me ... YEAH!!
lol

have a good one everybody ...

viv

Rez

November is probably the one and only real "weather" month in California. It is just plain downright undependable. Usually the first half is clear, warm and wonderful and then the rains (deluge) come followed by two weeks of winter : -)

The variations are endless from undrivable tule fog to heatwave to the gods must be crazy storms complete with mud slides and houses falling into the sea.

The driving is easy as long as the roads are open and you can see more than two feet in front of you.

I won't be around this weekend, so have a happy birthday, Viv.

Gordo, that's not spinning - that's called analyzing. Imn my book spinning is taking "facts" (either real or imagined) and twisting them to arrive at a predetermined outcome - the spinning is coming from you, bruddah.

Rez.... LOL!

Patsi..... if you decide to go out to California.... I'll have to think really really hard about going out too......

Viv.... early happy birthday!.....
I won't be here either on Sunday..... Rick and I are going to a blues festival in Thorton NH (close to your old stomping grounds, pogo...)

Well it's been nice to be back home so that I can check in on all of you. I enjoy the discussions here alot. But it's time for me to go to work making funnel cakes. I think I'd rather stay home on the computer. It's a rainy day here.

Renee, darlin', Thornton ain't just near my old stomping grounds - I lived in it for 4 of the 6 years I was in NH. Where in Thornton is the festival?

Forgot to mention another reason for mid November. As wonderful as seeing all the people, this is peak season for the butterflies. If you have never walked down a street and been kissed by the Monarchs, you really need to take this trip, just watch where you step.

http://gocalifornia.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=gocalifornia&cdn=travel&tm=78&gps=129_1054_1436_613&f=20&su=p284.9.336.ip_p531.50.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.pacificgrove.org/dirpages/butterflywatching.htm

How hilarious. Rebellious Renee might just well be the friendliest person on this site. To have "issues" with her is equivalent to having issues with the sun coming up in the morning. And only cockroaches and vampires have issues with that. So you're in good company.

pogo ----------------------------

Let's see how this works. The Repubs have devastating info on Obama. So what would the Repubs do? Of course, they would knock Obama out before the convention. Then they could run against Hillary. The AAs and many other Obama supporters would be furious with the Repubs and unite behind Hillary. Seems like a great plan!

I'm going to Pacific City to escape 100 degree temps..
We don't handle extreme weather well since we have little of it..

I'm glad Obama is responding to the awful book.

The advantages of the Oregon Coast include:

Development is severely restricted by state law..

Access to the beach cannot be restricted.

All the beaches belong to all the people of Oregon.

Thank you to Governors West, Straub, and McCall and the voters of Oregon.

"Eight Questions ...

Are you now a U.S. citizen?

Have you ever held as a youth or adult, citizenship in another country?

Did you ever possess or travel using, at least in part, the passport of another country? (E.g., while in Indonesia, visiting Pakistan, Kenya)

Did you renounce any foreign citizenship, and when, and do you now hold solely U.S. citizenship today?

Can you confirm or deny your name change as a youth from Barack Hussein Obama II to Barry Soetoro when you were adopted by your step-father?

Did you legally reclaim your birth name? When and how?

Why did you not list your adopted name Barry Soetoro on any forms associated with your legal profession or others that ask for any other names you have ever used? Have you now or will you update these records?

And by the way, did you register with the U.S. Selective Service when you turned 18?

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/ap-confirms-school-records-listing-obama-as-barry-soetoro-indonesian-citizen-are-legit/

No, gordo, pay attention - it's not that hard. They won't knock Obama out before the convention by filing the suit - filing a suit based on already known allegations doesn't knock him out - they just throw into question his eligibility before the convention by filing the lawsuit, the merits of which Obama loudly denies (the actual filing of the suit is almost immaterial since the strategy has been so well laid out by Johnson and his readers - and the underlying questions about the COLB are so well known at this point they could not be considered a surprise in October or any other month for that matter) And Obama still becomes the nominee because he's reassured the SDs that his COLB is the real thing, but it makes it look like the dems are engaged in a circular firing squad - making it a chaotic convention with a weakened nominee. It's just as plausible that the AAs unite behind Obama in their fury against the Repugs no matter when the suit is filed. They do support him better than 90% after all. In fact, you apparently labor under the false impression that anything at all happens quickly in the legal world, particularly in state courts, where nothing happens quickly. If you want an October surprise based on a lawsuit (federal only - it's already too late in any state court - and that letter ain't gonna make any SoS, particularly not any Dem SoS, move quickly to challenge the nominee once he becomes that), you have to file the suit at least 45 days before any of the "proof" you expect to be produced will be forthcoming (and that assumes a lot since there would inevitably be tons of motion practice regarding filing the documents under seal, etc., etc.). Any lawyer worth his salt could delay production of documents by a month or more beyond the 45 day window following service of the suit, which would get us beyond the election in Nov., at which point the FEC would very likely be deprived of standing (he would no longer be a candidate, and therefor not under FEC authority any longer) for sitting on its hands when it had the opportunity to file and have the merits of any questions it had about his eligiblility resolved in a timely manner. There would of course be arguments to the contrary, but in the meantime, Obama may well have been elected.

You note, I'm not saying anything about the outcome of any of this - just that your idea about the timing of a suit and the so-called state court challenges to knock Obama out of the presidential race are based on a lack of understanding of the process you are advocating using to affect the election and are ignoring the fact that the COLB question that would underlie those suits and challenges is not a surprise any longer.

... and those questions - not bad questions, but to "knock Obama out" they would have to be asked and answered or avoided before the election, and there are only 2 mechanisms available to ask them in the context of a lawsuit - Interrogatories ( see the discussion about he 45 day window, above - it applies to all written discovery - or through a deposition (oral or by written questions) - which would not likely occur before discovery is exchanged, subject to certain exigency-based exceptions, none of which strike me as applicable.

Allow me to use the following anecdote in describing the Hilary/Obama election dynamic.

My best friend in high school turned out to be gay. As luck would have it, we figure that his twin brother was gay since he was the quiet one but we turned out to be wrong. Anyway, my friend wrote me a letter which I read when I was hungover after a homecoming rager...After I thought about it for a second, I figured no big deal and started to perk up for some tailgating...

When I finally got my friend on the phone, we talked about when he knew, etc. etc and he asked if I was pissed that he was gay...I replied, I'm not pissed that your gay...I'm pissed that you knew you were gay and still cock blocked me by hitting on girls you knew I liked...

How does this pertain to Hill/Bar? It's one thing if Obama just blows it voters. If that's the case he has no one to blame. Were it to be shown that she/Bill were trying to court voters to her favor instead, then she would receive huge blame.

Based on what I've heard, if she gives an appropriate speech and votes for Obama's nomination at the convention, anyone still voting for her would just show themselves to be spiteful and I think she'd be okay.

EuroTom-- I've been following this story from Belgium....unbelievable:

http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/map/abhilash/htmlpages/Onam_Brussels.html

Posted by: Patsi | August 15, 2008 8:21 AM

BEAUTIFUL isn't it? Mauro and I are going to Brussel tomorrow (I have to work a couple hours first) and we will see it, along with many comic book stores... hazards of dating an Italian comic book artist. :D

Pogo.....

here's the info: http://www.whitemountainboogie.com/new/

Bumper sticker read:

"Fat people are harder to kidnap."

Posted by: Patsi | August 15, 2008 9:51 AM

Dayum and here I've lost around 45 lbs or something

Lardass....
you're making me blush...... :0)

EuroTom..... lucky you!..... enjoy all the beauty.....

what the hell is "COLB" anyway?

Renee, have a great time - I don't recall the Sugar Shack campground, but I do know where that little star on the map is and remember (vaguely) that the road just bbefore you get to Mill Brook Rd (the main road into the Town of Thornton) was called Sugar Shack Road - pretty country there. If you look to the east from there you should be able to see Cone Mtn. - I lved at the base of it on the south side of the mtn.

Renee, hope you're staying until Sunday - Marcia Ball plays at 4, and she puts on wonderful show - if ya like cajun blues, that is.

ET, Certificate Of Live Birth.

Now for some really important news:

At CNN.com they are streaming live video of the Bigfoot press conference.

Funny, they don't act or sound crazy.

Bear

One other slight viewpoint. I went as far as the county level as a Hillary delegate. If I had the money then would have put myself forward to go as far as the convention.

If someone gets to that convention as a pledged delegate, they are carrying the votes of thousands of people. It really doesn't matter what Sen. CLinton chooses to do with her individual SD vote, but as a delegate to the convention I would feel honor bound on that first ballot to cast it the way those voters had instructed me to do.

That was what was at the heart of all this protest. Those 18 million people told their representatives the way they wanted that first vote to be expressed. To try to shut down the procedure in this close an election and not let those voices be acknowledged just strikes me as a rejection of the electoral process.

I'm glad there will be a roll call. Sen. Obama will still be nominated. Sen. Clinton will still support him and the delegates will have done their duty.

Russia is not threatening Poland.. All this moving & shaking by Russia will only help the GOP.. EH? Will Bush open mouth and put foot in again?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5585656

No, pogo, pay attention - it's not that hard.

This is not just about the legalities. The goal this is to create doubt - to undermine public support for Obama. The Repub opposition research teams have been busy. They don't have to wait for a legal resolution - they just flood the country with attack ads. Then there is TV, radio and the net to spread the "dirt".

Do you understand that one line of attack against Obama would be that he is un-American, anti-American and possibly not American? Sure, this sounds fantastic to most on this blog. The foundation has been prepared - they are waiting.

correction: Russia is NOW threatening Poland

Julie

Gordo

Since most of the spreading has been done by you, why are you helping them?

"they just flood the country with attack ads. Then there is TV, radio and the net to spread the "dirt"."

pogo, i agree with gordo. that's been the mo since atwater. has nothing to do with truthiness, only what can grab the headlines and the talking pinheads' attention. gordo has been doing us a service with heads up info on what's likely to be a hit with the rash slimeball crowd.

Gordo, pardon me for focusing on the legalitiesand potential legal strategies, but that's what I do. If just spreading doubt is the goal, I contend that this is all just a ruse. If there's any merit to it, the earlier suits are filed the more that would happen in them and the more doubt would be created - unless, of course things are as Obama supporters assert and there ain''t no there there - and I suspect that will be the outcome. The more you bring this up and the more we discuss it, the more I'm convinced this is all BS, and Larry Johnson is just a Repug tool, and considering what you are suggesting here, I suppose you are as well.

Jamie, do you have any (historical) sense of how many pledged delegates will be no-shows? Can the state committees reappoint no-shows with someone more meeting their druthers?

patd, you and Gordo might be right, but like I said - the longer it hangs out there, the more doubt would be created. But then again, I voted for Carter in '80, Gore in '00, Kerry in '04 - you get the drift.

Pogo

"Larry Johnson is just a Repug tool, and considering what you are suggesting here, I suppose you are as well."

That was confirmed ages ago. :-)

Gordo - thought you might be interested in this. I posted a few days back that something would be coming out the 23rd- it came early.
http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/guest-post-by-navyvet48-2/

Flatus,

Each state has "X" number of delegates. Each delegate has alternates. Theoretically, the alternate is supposed to be pledged in the same manner as the person but if the run short, any alternate can be thrown in.

Also, the delegate is not "legally" required to vote the way they are supposedly pledged. There have already been reports of Clinton delegates who dropped out being replaced by Obama alternates (I forstalled one of those moves at the County level though I'm sure they pushed it through at State).

End result: Instead of the pledged delegates she earned and with the defecting SDs (including herself), she will probably only get 1/3 of the delegates instead of almost half.

Still the principle will have been upheld.

I'll post something in a few minutes. You probably will not understand why.

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office ... He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school ...

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

==========================================

"So the New York Times has Obama on tape reciting the Muslim Call to Prayer in Arabic. Thus they know he was raised as a Muslim. No one learns that from childhood unless raised as a Muslim.

The NYT knows the liberal MSM is falsely repeating the Obama claim he was never raised a Muslim. They have the tape to refute it. They are withholding it.

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/kristof-new-york-times-has-tape-obama-muslim-prayer-arabic/

Thanks, Jamie. I wish you'd been able to serve. It's a damned shame that the process is left in the hands of mere mortals when there are others who would have done better.

Flatus

If you were really fascinated by how the "official" count may differ from the "real" count, you can check them off state by state using this list of Certified delegates

http://www.demconvention.com/certified-delegates-ec

Theoretically there should be no change from the preference as certified to the preference as cast in the roll call.

Don't count on it.

what fools these mere mortals be's........

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_en_ot/obit_jerry_wexler;_ylt=As3SGdOWYd3iBpTVlEFCQJKs0NUE

jerry wexler dead at 91........famed record producer

Among the standards produced by Wexler: Franklin's "Respect," a dazzling, feminist reworking of an Otis Redding song; Sledge's deep ballad "When A Man Loves A Woman" and Pickett's "In the Midnight Hour," with a horn vamp inspired by Wexler's admittedly rhythmless dancing.

OMG Gordo

ANOTHER tape? Do you realize you sound like some pimply faced, slack jawed twit who has never left the basemen?

I've danced with Greeks ... I'm not Greek; I've been in Buddhist temples ... I'm not Budhist; Dining on Octopus doesn't make me Chinese and chasing cows out of the alfalfa on a ranchero doesn't make me Mexican. I can even count from one to ten in Japanese but have no latent desire to bomb Pearl Harbor.

People see and learn many things in a lifetime. You might try it just for variety.

STurgeone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZwBayLh2Q

Thems are some pretty far reaching conclusions there, Gordo. I guess he could have told his teachers he wanted to go to Catholic class instead??? I've had enough of this HS today - I think I'll go see if I can convince a little white ball to trend left instead of racing right - bet I have better luck wit it than with Gordo.

Yep, sturg, Wexler was a gem - sad to hear he's gone.

oh, yes.....there really was a St. Urgeone.........

or was it St. Hubbins........i always confuse those two......

Veal Piccata made me Italian

Obama is an unknown to many. Doubt that? Ever just listen to people discuss BO and MO? The Repubs are prepared to paint a picture that will shock many of you. It works - ask Dukakis, Gore and Kerry. Do you really believe most people research the nominees? The problem for the Obamas is that the Repubs don't have to lie.

"Chloe: I know exactly what you mean ......."
Posted by: Viv August 15, 2008 1:48 PM

Viv, Thank you.
And Happy Birthday (Sunday)! I didn't see that until I came back. Hope you get your new chair.

"I think we can predict the future as soon as it becomes the past - if we were paying attention in the present. "
Posted by: pogo| August 15, 2008 1:54 PM

Is that the same as hindsight being 20/20? Actually, don't answer that pogo. I like the way you put it better regardless.
...............

Candidates Face Three Critical Weeks
"Barack Obama returns to action Saturday after a week's vacation for a joint appearance with John McCain at the Saddleback Church in California. Obama's reappearance on the campaign trail signals the beginning of three of the most critical weeks of the general election.

In the modern era, there has never been quite as concentrated a dose of potentially campaign-altering events as the coming three weeks could produce......"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/15/candidates_face_three_critical.html

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/candidates_tied_in_tracking_po_1.html

Candidates Tied In Tracking Poll
That is a large drop in two days, and Gallup suggests the narrowing of the numbers could be due to Obama's absence on the campaign trail this week"
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/candidates_tied_in_tracking_po_1.html

I had spoiled calamari in a now-defunct Brew Pub in Chicago once and since then I cannot stand squid nor octopus.

Always experimenting with soft drinks, I found a winner: OJ & ginger ale mixed up in a tall glass with ice.

Seriously, Jamie -- the trip sounds fabulous! Loved that restaurant you posted.

"I think we can predict the future..."

Actually, I meant to say something when Pogo talked about predicting. Seers predict. Fortune tellers predict. etc.,

I prefer to forecast based on understandings of how things work. In this case, the understanding is of Soviet/Russian doctrine.

And now we have talk of possible action in Poland.

Russian reaction to our unilateral abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty was forecast as soon as the Bush Administration decided to deploy our system, which, up to that point was merely something under development.

From the Russian point-of-view, having a deployed ABM system reduces their ability to retaliate should nuclear warfare be initiated. A reduced ability to effectively react places them at a strategic disadvantage, a disadvantage that the ABM Treaty sought to eliminate allowing them, and us, to reduce tensions.

I, and many others, forecast that the Russians would view deployment as tantamount to an act of war. We were shouted down by the neocons.

There are no surprises in what the Russians are doing.

Dexter, sounds something like an Orange Julius. They were good.

“How does this pertain to Hill/Bar? It's one thing if Obama just blows it voters. If that's the case he has no one to blame. Were it to be shown that she/Bill were trying to court voters to her favor instead, then she would receive huge blame.

Based on what I've heard, if she gives an appropriate speech and votes for Obama's nomination at the convention, anyone still voting for her would just show themselves to be spiteful and I think she'd be okay.”

Most sane thing I’ve seen posted on this site for a long, long time. I’ve said it before, HER future hinges on this election as well. This is not ping pong folks; it’s contact sport with many, many players.

Flatus

Did you note in the article that Russia has said they willnot rule out nuclear attack on Poland? Sounds like they sure are trying hard to start a real conflict. Iran will side with them, India?

Julie

"Advertisers will see you read this: If you feel like a shock, try finding out how many online advertising companies are tracking you every time you use the internet."

One way to do so is to go to the Network Advertising Initiative site in the US (www.networkadvertising.org) and click on the opt-out button that allows you to evade their surveillance. It also tells you how many have been watching you already."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04410c10-6965-11dd-91bd-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

Has anyone here ever used CCleanter. It's a free download and it cleans up the files on your computer whenever you ask it to. (not to replace your antivirus of course). But it has a lot of usesbesid es getting rid go old files, etc. One thing it does is remove any old programs you don't want anymore. And it's a lot easier and faster than windows program uninstall. I've been using it for a month or two now. You can check it out if you want by searching for ccleaner or using the link below.
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/

"Orange Julius. They were good."

They were great -- whatever happened to them?

Karo talks about sanity and then turns around and threatens the Clintons again....her "many players" will destroy them, DESTROY, I tell you!

No, Julie, it will be us against the Russians, with the Poles changing their mind about allowing the missiles in. Others will sit in the bleachers cheering.

"Orange Julius. They were good."
They were great -- whatever happened to them?"

Someone told me once that you can make them in your blender with orange juice, ice and a little powdered sugar. Haven't tried it though.

But, as I told him -- "What the hell, you believed enough to vote for him in the primary. So you might as well go for it. Meanwhile, I'll hope for the best, but am buying a 'Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary' bumper sticker'."

I was holding this trying to be nice, but you don’t know anything about "nice". Probably don't even know the meaning of the word.

What’s keeping you from buying a bumper sticker that says “I don’t give a damn about this country and it can go to hell because my woman didn’t get her way”. And, also get one that says “Russia and Iran can have this country because the US didn’t treat HRC fairly”. Russia and Iran are in this thing together. You do know that, correct? McBush gets in there Iran is another target for him because all he knows is bomb, bomb, bomb. You think Russia is going to sit idly by and allow that to happen?

Now, put your cigarette in your mouth and start calling me all those names you like to spout out. I’ve given you all the room you want for a long time. But, enough is enough.

Just googled Orange Julius. They're still around! They weren't on our budget way back when, and they sure aren't now. :)

World got a whole lot scarier today, folks.

I'm planning to calm my nerves tonight with this, and others like it.

Professor Longhair -- Tipitina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Sj_soVKo0

not as scary as Karolenna.......lol

Flatus
Thanks for reply re russia. We are already too scattered with the military..
With all that we have done for India, I sure was surprized recently when they joined with Iran and several others as non aligned countries pact. What are your thoughts here?

Lardo:

Eubie too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AumTplO9I-s

Was in California for a week, someone here said russian river valley, so we went along the river to ocean.My feet were swelling from long sitting travel- so my daughter said she would find a place for me to put my feet in river. It was birthday- 08-08-08 and I found 8 pennies, so I thought my lucky day. All okay until I stepped in the river and went down 8" of mud and panicked, fell in river trying to grab a tree limb. Never bought used clothes before- but was forced to in order to visit wineries and then go to St Helena, Taylor's automatic refresher, voted by bon-apetit as best hamburger in US. With sweet potato fries. Holding my vote for this for now.
Believe I have had my fill of California for a while. And needless to say, I did not play the lottery.
julie

chloe -------------------

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chloe -------------------

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Sweepi

http://sweepi.yooapps.com/?l=E

Thanks Gordo. I'll check out Revo.

Julie, India has certainly benefited from the tremendous outsourcing of jobs from the United States, and from our willingness to educate and then employ highly skilled Indians.

But, so far as defense is concerned, they've largely formed their own alliances based on what they perceive to be in their own best interest. They purchase hardware from the UK, France, Russia, and some from us.

They are a nuclear power in their own right--something that gives them some comfort in dealing with Pakistan, and neighbors such as Iran. They are clearly not a match for China or Russia. And they don't want to be seen as part of group ganging-up on those countries. So, a neutral appearance has been carefully cultivated.

And, after having been part of the British Empire for centuries, they certainly want to maintain their complete independence.

Flatus,
I googled NAM (Non aligned Movement) and with your explanation and the articles there, sure learned a lot that I did not realize before...

julie

Sturge...thanks for your post. I just saw it.

I'm on my threeth marfourni, so I'm a little bit slow.

"What’s keeping you from buying a bumper sticker that says “I don’t give a damn about this country and it can go to hell because my woman didn’t get her way”. And, also get one that says “Russia and Iran can have this country because the US didn’t treat HRC fairly”. "

ROFL! If you don't worship Obama the terrorists win! You hate America!

Lardo.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMjKq9ER2EQ

one little drink

point still valid......

Speaking of Wikipedia, here's the subject that fascinates me of late. (That whole "living outnumber the dead" thing, yada, yada, Lardass bullshit I know.) But...once you read about the Paris Catacombs, you'll know the living will never catch up.

Absolutely amazing stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_catacombs

And, after having been part of the British Empire for centuries [decades], they certainly want to maintain their complete independence.

this point......length of time irrelevant to point.....

Flatus...don't even argue with the guy. I can't believe that the same public school system produced both him, on one end of the spectrum, and Maxtrue, on the other.

My suspicion is that BNYC spent most of his time in the back of the classroom throwing spitballs at classmates.

"If you can read this, you're not our president."

Love it!

y'all playing with that pinhead again?

lol

East India company, one of the early experiments in privatization. It didn't work too well and had to be propped up by the government. One of these measures resulted in the Boston tea party, early 1770's IIRC.

Jack

Sturge...

He's already admitted he has five -- count em -- FIVE computers. He obviously posts under umpteen fake aliases. It's so hilarious.

The funniest part is that Craig is the site administrator, so he knows all of his aliases and IP addresses and fake e-mail socks...even though for ethical reasons he won't share them with us. (God love Craig).

All adding up to: Loser, you should never, EVER bust Craig's chops about anything. Because he has the power. Not you.

Dumbass.

"A modern comparison would be the role played by United Fruit in Central and South America."
Close but not quite.

From Flatus's link

"The Company transformed from a commercial trading venture to one that virtually ruled India and other Asian colonies as it acquired auxiliary governmental and military functions, until by the Government of India Act 1858 the British Crown assumed direct rule, following the events of the Indian Rebellion of 1857. The Company was finally dissolved on January 1, 1874, as a result of the East India Stock Dividend Redemption Act."

As I recall the United Fruit company had no charter and didn't act in a quasigovernmental fashion. They just owned everything in sight and if that ownership was threatened they own enough of the US government to get the Marines to protect their property.

Jack

Patsi

"If you don't worship Obama the terrorists win! You hate America"

Don't you love people who defend Democracy and Freedom by saying you have to believe everything they do or else.

1910 FruitGum Co. I hereby place in nomination for Dorkiest Group of all time......(including Freddy and the Dreamers and that Peter Noone group)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksR0si3ZloY

Some of you have ask about my mother.
I spent the afternoon with her. She is doing very well. She had a pacemaker installed 3 mounths ago and it seems to be doing the trick. At the same time she was in the hospital the doctor had the family come together to discuss what further measures we wanted. It sounded like they were going to let her die. My sister joked that it was that conversation that made moms health improve.

To tell the truth, last January, I didn't think she would be alive today. Everytime she showed a little improvement she would have a set back. 2 months in the hospital is a long time. We are fortunate and I had a pleasant visit with my mother today.
I call that a blessing.

Jack

Making your point?
lol
Such ignorance.

Jack

The dogs told, Tucker nudged me and said "Look flatus is wrong again, nail him"

how do you "nail" someone when it turns out their point is correct?

If your head is like a hammer, every problem seems to be a nail......

it's like a messy monkey in a small cage, aint it........

"We are fortunate and I had a pleasant visit with my mother today.
I call that a blessing."

Yes indeed, Jack. Enjoy every opportunity and every moment!

Dog's Eye,

Did you, by chance, happen to grow up in a family where an alcoholic parent or sibling had to be defended and enabled on a daily basis?

Just curious.

PS: Quit lecturing people so much. No one elected you to be the conscience of this blog.

The superior numskulls here fail repeatedly. How long will you continue your fight? Can't quite make the kill, can you?

I'm for Obama!

(What else do you want?)

from you : less is more

I'm going to miss Gordo after Obama wins. What is he going to do then? Do me a favor, Gordo, send me your address. I'll keep you supplied in aluminum foil for your hats.

Gordo and OD are going to start a PAC called : Hillary One.

MD

What gives you the idea that Gordo will let a mere thing as an election stop him. I look for Gordo to keep posting for years. I hope he gets a book contract. After all look at the Clinton conspiracies. Lots of good money to be made.

Jack

Jack,

LOL...I think GORDO even has the dirt on God His Ownself.

When GORDO gets to the Pearly Gates, he's going to ask for St. Peter's birth certificate.

Wrong again numskull. Not the point just a fact. Not up for discussion.

Flatus

Back to India in the world. They had a close relationship with Russia during the cold war. Most of this was to have a counter balance with China, who they had several border disputes. They have seemed to be coming under our umbrella of protection lately. This is a good relationship for us in the area as the Arab world continues to disintegrate. We need access to ports and landing rights in the area and no Arab country is secure enough to provide them.

Jack

Okay, Patsi...you can take over from here. I'm going back to watch the Olympics.

You are simply a moron -amused by your own mind.

Lard, Jack and Sturge - the 3 stooges

Jack, I agree.

I think they are becoming increasingly more concerned about militant Islam, so there's that incentive. And, we certainly want more than just Diego Garcia and (quite far away) Guam.

The Georgia fiasco must be unnerving for our potential friends in the area.

absurd = dumb shit

What will you do if the Repub (may not be McCain) wins? Have you even considered the possibility? Too horrible to think about?

Remember this: Odinga - 2006

Sturge
Troll boy is back.
As lardo pointed out a bad speller but I don't hold that against him, not very good at it my self.

On an entertainment scale, he comes in several points below gordo.

Jack

stooges behind - but still fighting like little babies

Jack. Absolutely.
Thanks to the Pentagon warmongers, we still have latte bars and Thai restaurants in Lower Manhattan.

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/attackofthepumas.jpg

If it wasn't for the U.S. Army, Jackson Pollack would have been in a Nazi prison roundabout 1950.

Take a look at a satellite photo of the U.S. Eastern Seaboard at night, and then say that.

Pollack was a lucky drunk.

Five computers. Five hundred cyber identities. Rent stabilized apartment.
Energy frugal, my ass.

6 computers here - welcome to the new millennium

Lardass

Good music.
The wife went to bed early so I'm being quiet so no music from me tonight.

Jack

Sock Puppet Sunday! Sock Puppet Sunday! Sock Puppet Sunday!

Jack..

You remember the Uptown Theater and Cowtown Ballroom in their late 70s/early 80s heydays?

That was great music. And that's where me and my brothers learned about people like Pine Top.

bitches will show their faces

face
idiot
livinginthepast
point
absurd
absurdness

Jack,

You can't actually be saying that New York Doesn't Emit, it Just Sucks...can you?

Trail mix : a gaggle of women & 3 stooges + other part--time visitors

Add tally to the mix.

Lard, I'll happily join the sock fest. Craig can let loose with any name I've used other than Flatus.

Lardass

I remember seeing The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band at cowtown had to be in the early 70's
By 75 I had went back to the hills and was smoking dope with all the back to the land movement hippy types.

Jack

easily entertained

And of course, the incredibly eco-conscious realm of New York City has NOTHING to do with stoking the fat-ass desires and dreams of the rest of this country that has it sucking 25 percent of the world's energy resources. No. Not at all. Madison Avenue? You must have us confused for some other town, folks.

Lardass

It's only one and I think we have been down to one for several days.

Jack

Flatus...

Somehow I think Sock Puppet Sunday will never come about. But it's the thought that counts.

So thanks.

(Jack, I saw Arlo Guthrie at the Uptown round about 1976 or 1977...and forever after the starry ceiling of that house was forever emblazed on me memory)

THE CLINTON CONVENTION

"Hillary and Bill have hijacked the Denver convention ...

This Clintonian tour de force raises a key question about Barack Obama: Is he strong enough to be president or can he be pushed around? His failure to stand up to the Clintons makes one wonder how effective he will be against bin Laden, Iran, Chavez, or Putin."

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/15/the-clinton-convention-2/#more-405

A longtime Clinton adviser said it was “crazy” to guess at numbers but estimated that the former first lady would garner between 600 and 1,200 delegates – considerably short of the approximately 1,800 she had collected at the time of her departure from the race in early June.

“It’s a bizarre strategy,” said one Democratic strategist of the roll call. “It could backfire and show that her influence is waning. Chances are, she’s not going to have as many delegates vote for her on the floor as she had in the primary.”

attempting to outsmart words on a screen - the 3 stooges and a few bitches

Lard
Your killing me tonight!! I'm laughing so hard here in New Smyrna Beach....Ha

tonyb39- you laugh with who ever you are with.

think and learn

realmeaning
Ok! Have we met?

Julie - if you were at the Russian River, you were very close to KGC and even to me. That river can really flood in heavy rains and makes the national news from time to time. If you went to where it enters the ocean, you must have seen Jenner - some neat little restaurants there. When you were in St Helena, yoou were in one the few spots where it might occasionally snow.

It wore you out, did I hear you say? California can do that to ya.

queen Patsi low class skank

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128477
Dexter: I've been doing that for years, lol .. I love to take different fruit juices & mix ;em together, or with ginger ale or sprite zero .. got that tang & the fizz, l;o}

Article“The Clintons Are Here to Stay”

"In stark contrast to the Obamedia’s reportage on the roll call vote deal between Obama and Clinton, this new article from Real Clear Politics ... gives us an entirely fresh view — and what a bright view it is, with its claim that Obama has now “ceded control of the convention floor.” Stunning. Here’s the opening salvo:

Get used to it. They are not going away.

Denver shows every sign of being the Clinton show.

… [Obama] was outmaneuvered ..."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/15/the-clintons-are-here-to-stay/

Bethyboo:
Yes, we ate lunch in Jenner.. Fog was coming in pretty bad, so we headed back. Guerneville(sp) was where I bought the used shorts /shirt. They had a fruit stand there also, selling fresh picked cherries from Washington. We toured all napa valley, & San franc for 3 days. Yes I was one tired one by the time I got home.
We packed into one week what we normally would have done in 3.

“How does this pertain to Hill/Bar? It's one thing if Obama just blows it voters. If that's the case he has no one to blame. Were it to be shown that she/Bill were trying to court voters to her favor instead, then she would receive huge blame.

Based on what I've heard, if she gives an appropriate speech and votes for Obama's nomination at the convention, anyone still voting for her would just show themselves to be spiteful and I think she'd be okay.”

Most sane thing I’ve seen posted on this site for a long, long time. I’ve said it before, HER future hinges on this election as well. This is not ping pong folks; it’s contact sport with many, many players.

Posted by: Karolenna | August 15, 2008 6:26 PM

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damn KARO: you just won't give her a break for nothing ... must have a lot of pent up anger inside ...
will light a candle for you, tonight .. to release all of it so you can start a new ... tomorrow is the Full Moon .. and 3 days before, is a good time to release all the negativity in your life ... just say ing, it might help you ....

viv

Viv - you are a total ass - pray for yourself.

chloe -------------------

You might want to test Revo Uninstaller. Does a great job.
http://www.revouninstaller.com/index.html
Posted by: GORDO | August 15, 2008 7:03 PM
============

GORDO: Thanks for the tip to Chloe .. think I need to look into that too ... since I got this new computer with Vista on it, groan ... am needing something badly ..

!:^}
viv

Viv - you are a total ass - pray for yourself.

Posted by: mirror | August 15, 2008 11:21 PM

========================
LMAO!!!!

the view was funny wasn't it? judge not - oh but you did

Lord have mercy - does Craig not have any limit to the number of trolls? This gets so boring.

YOU can't get me down tonight .. just had a wonderful time with my kids at The Shadow Box ... laughing for 2 hours helps ... so, play your games, hilarious, er, huh, mirror? or who ever you think are now ... but then wait, there,s probably more in there just dying to bust out, lol

anonymous posting is a death sentence to blogs

Lord have mercy - does Craig not have any limit to the number of trolls? This gets so boring.

Posted by: bethyboo | August 15, 2008 11:39
================================
Bethy: Sorry, I wasn't thinking ... shouldn't have said anything back ...

Collect your knitting needle girls, the stooges still need support - there is still a reason to live.

Hello all the folks with honest names

Stopped in to see what music is being played and run into a convention of send in the clones of cowards.

clones of cowards -have something to say - say it -open forum -weakness isn't productive

I just want to thank Gordo for my daily laugh.

Oh, and Sturg for making coffee come out my nose.

Patsi, I really do try to refrain from making personal attacks on you, but you provide such an inviting target. Let's just say this:

I may have 99 problems, but Patsi ain't one.

Viv - why did you apologize to me? I don't unnerstan'.

KGC - do you have a blog or an email address you'll tell me so I can forward something to you?

bethyboo,

I second that emotion. . .Sturge is usually always charming and witty. His reactions to that "one person" haven't seemed out of line to me.

Good op/ed from Bob Herbert in today's NY Times, about the nation's crumbling infrastructure -- asks why neither McCain nor Obama are addressing this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/opinion/16herbert.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Sturge:

It really is an unusually nice group of people here, and it is honestly amazing it's held together as well as it has.

I regret that I took the bait yesterday -- I thought I had trained myself just to ignore the crap. After all, having him pick fights with the likes of Patsi, Jamie, you or Jack got to be like watching a feisty little shrimp get into the same barroom brawls and getting his ass kicked the same way every day.

But for him now to start beating up on the likes of RebRenee and Flatus? It's like the little shrimp can't deal with the bar fights anymore, so he's walked down the street to the church and started pulling people out of the pews to stomp on them. That's what disgusted me about the whole thing.

Patsi, I thought the entire editorial section was worthwhile today--unusual.

In the Tampa Bay region we had a very active League of Cities group that met monthly. We talked about a plethora of issues affecting most of us. They were really worthwhile. And they were 'noticed' public meetings, but I almost never saw an outsider there.

And we would have an annual regional retreat focusing on educating ourselves. Once again, these were 'noticed' public meetings. You can guess how many attended.

And our annual statewide conventions were really important learning experiences--even more important than the national affairs.

People really sell their local elected officials short; most are truly dedicated to making their municipalities better.

...not that RebRenee and Flatus can't kick his ass, too. It's just that they are two of the most gentle and generous spirits here.

Lard, it's okay. Actually, he's something of an amateur.

Flatus:

You're like the Robert Duval character in the movie "Secondhand Lions" -- in the scene where the would be tough-guy teenage boys jump him, and he ends up teaching them a lesson instead.

He does play some pretty good characters. Seeing him tango was really good.

Time to go outside and wakeup the neighbors. Lawn is really wet (nice) so it will be more challenging than usual.

"Secondhand Lions"

Lard, I've not seen it, but it's wiki is impressive. I will DVR it from TBS on Wednesday.

So much worthwhile content here. :)

Oh, walked around the yard. It's simply too wet to do a proper job. But, we desperately needed the rain so I'm not complaining. Maybe I can do it tomorrow.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes- together.html#comment-128617

Viv,

I haven't grown to fond of Vista either. Also take a look at that CCleaner. Good all around tool. I still haven't had a chance to check out Gordo's recommendations, but I'm going to.

I really hated seeing what you, Tony, Sturge and others went through last night. I hope it goes in one ear and out the other- like having you here. You know it's all coming from one person, no matter how many names he uses.

Lard, I agree with you about Flatus. A class act.

Peace Comes to the Democratic Party
"Seriously — good work, Democrats. There is no greater achievement than the nonviolent resolution of differences, and we’ll take it on whatever level we can get it. Organizing a harmonious convention is not exactly a new Middle East roadmap. But like all settlements between enemy forces, it required leaders who were willing to forego the temptation to appear tough at all times, and followers prepared to get over it, whatever historical wound “it” happens to represent. For an example of a situation in which both these factors are AWOL, see the current conflict in Georgia."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/opinion/16collins.html?ref=opinion

Obama Moves in the Right Direction on Taxes
My Kind of Flip-Flop

Lo and behold, Team Obama is moving toward the supply-side and pivoting toward the political center on key aspects of its tax policy. Writing in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal, Obama advisors Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee outlined a plan that would only raise tax rates on capital-gains and dividends from 15 percent to 20 percent for individuals making more than $200,000 and on family incomes above $250,000. Prior to this, investors worried that Obama would double the 15 percent tax rate on cap-gains and bring the 15 percent rate on dividends back to 40 percent.
http://www.kudlowsmoneypolitics.blogspot.com/

Dog,

That was a really great post. And very logical, good advice. It could work. Thanks for taking the time to think it through for us.

Have a good day.

Dog,

I do have to hit to road this morning, but I love the "grace and good judgment" stuff. Jamie does have a real art for conversation, but you've already said it well. If we can all put forward the same effort you have just put forward, we'll have an even better forum. I, for one, will do my best to always be reasonable and nice. (we all have our moods, but those are easy to deal with).

Here's a really insightful graf near the end of a fabulous Martin Amis essay on terrorism in today's WSJ (link to article below, and it's definitely a worthwhile read).

I excerpt this graf, because I think a similar human dynamic exists with the attention-grabbing, high-impact reaction one can so easily achieve with persistent negativity and attacking in blog comments (vs. the harder work -- and perhaps lesser impact -- of being positive and thoughtful).

"In his reading of the terrorist psyche, Conrad persistently stresses the qualities of vanity and sloth -- i.e., the desire for maximum distinction with minimum endeavor. In other words, the need to make an impression is overwhelming, and a negative impression is much more easily achieved than a positive. In our era, this translates into a thirst for fame. Probably no one under 30 can fully grasp it, but fame has become a kind of religion -- the opium, and now the angel dust, of the mass individual."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121883817312745575.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_weekendjournal

I'm with Jamie, the aliases add nothing to the dialogue here. If someone wants to make a comment a little funnier or perhaps add to his/her point, he/she could add the alias' signature "above the line," so it appears in the comment.

I'm at a loss for anything very funny this morning, but here's a poor example for the end of a long post:

Sorry to talk your ear off,
V. Van Gogh (alternate M. Tyson)

Dog, thanks for your meaningful comment.

And I agree with _everybody's_ reaction to it.

Each of us is a _very_ distinctive individual who views comments and events from their own perspective. That accounts for the differing reactions.

Just made me think of the old 'transactional analysis' methods of communicating effectively. Here's a wiki on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

I thought it generally worked pretty well if the supposed adult, often the authority figure, didn't jump into parent mode.

People sense almost immediately when they are being manipulated; TA, if not practiced thoughtfully lends itself to manipulation with things ending up worse than they were in the beginning.

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And, my thoughts will be with Corey today as well.

For those who would like to visit Corey's blog, here is the address

http://themitchellblog.blogspot.com/

Stinky and our daughter Flata are in the kitchen making Korean pancakes. They're something like crêpes made with thinly sliced scallions, mushrooms, jalapeños, and a bunch of other things. They're sautéed in sesame oil.

I will have my usual raisin bran with sliced banana for my lunch.

But, it's really nice having Flata come over.

I don't remember what ugly comments Heather made....what were they?

Bush continues his quest for a police state. Will Obama enable him yet again? If Obama is president will he stop this trend? And may I say, I have no problem with the government knowing any damn thing it wants about me. All they'll find is that I can't stand Bush and don't care for either of the presidential candidates this time out. But I promise you that this information will be used against political rivals. Nixon lives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503497.html?hpid=topnews

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/gop-base-comes-together.html#comment-128630
Because BETHY< I responded to him ... instead of ignoring what was said .. in the fact, am guilty of prelonging the torrementing ... I was just feeling NO PAIN last night after my evening out with my Children, so thought I'd read a bit ...

Chloe: HE/She/ is one of the reasons I don't post as often as I'd like .. it's just so childish to come onto a Blog & say nasty things to whoever post .. there's enough nastiness in the world to have to read all the crap that is thrown at us on here ... like being called an ass because I offered to light a candle for KARO to help with her what seems to be, negative feelings ...

I love all the information I get from everyone here, even the a#@%^&*'s have some posted links that are interesting .. But it's gets old, first the nasty remarks & then all the preaching we get from others who aren't on the receiving end & don't see anything wrong, instead, they attack the one who brings the bad behavior up in the first place .. they keep telling us to just ignore them, they will stop ... not going to happen .. that's not in our Human Naturae .. we can only take so much, then we HAVE to say something ...

Yes, this blog is the most pleasant one I've been on, but it's just really hard to justify what you get when you post from some ... makes me not want to post

Flatus

Re "Second Hand Lions". It is a beautiful little movie with a lot of insight about human beings while being a totally fanciful story. Give two great actors, good dialogue and enjoy watching them work.

Peace Comes to the Democratic \

Chloe: I think that's just on the surface ... Oh, the majority of Hillary's supporters will vote for BO, maybe grudgingly, but they will ... Then there's the "others", who are always going to be full of resentment on how the DNC ran this primary .. I'm sure it will be debated for years to come ,...

They would be funnier if they used the suggestions of including the "alias" as part of the message over their known identity. At least then they would get credit for their "humor".

It takes an odd sense of humor to find comments meant to bully, insult or anger as "funny"

Dog, I certainly appreciate and understand your effort at even-handedness. However, there is a difference between even-handedness and moral equivalency.

This blog is home to mostly good-behaving people who sometimes lapse into bad behavior.

It is also home to one or two or three constantly bad actors who occassionally show a good side.

Moral equivalency involves matching up the rarely bad behavior of the many with the constantly bad behavior of the few, and calling it all a wash. Or the converse: Citing the rare examples of good behavior by the few, and arguing that that gives them a claim on the fellowship and society of the many.

Both of those arguments are simply wrong.

I don't remember much about Heather. I do remember a couple of really horrible things she said. But I don't remember her having a cadre of ardent defenders. I seem to recall that her worst behavior was pretty much roundly condemned, which is why she probably just left.

I agree with you about not giving the bad actors "air" to breathe. However, sometimes they simply have to be called out. Ignoring bad behavior -- just like ignoring the effect of a substance abuser -- can sometimes be enabling in and of itself.

"Publishing under a nom de plume is a time honored editorial device. "

ONE nom de plume not three dozen

I'm not trying to control it, only stating my objection to it and my opinion of the cowards that do it.

Dog,

I understand what you mean, but I don't think it is open to judgment. I think if you simply ask who is creating anger in this space, or at least way more anger in relation to wisdom and goodwill, there is not much to debate. It is a simple fact.

As far as the political fault lines go, I'm not even sure any more who I am in agreement with here. (I was a strong Hillary supporter who is now excited about my opportunity to vote for Obama in November.) But that has not affected my opinion about any of my fellow commentors here. And I don't feel like my openness about my position has affected how anyone treats me.

See what happens when you take your eyes off him? His approval rating goes up. It doesn't help to know 33% of the nation is nuts.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109570/Bushs-Job-Approval-Inches-33.aspx

Looking forward to tonight's debate. I hope BO is asked about his bitter folks clinging to religion statement. I think that speaks volumes about him.
The church he joined in Chicago was a political device to get into office & nothing more.

Bill Clinton, “I Am Not A Racist”

"Well, thanks Obama and Jim Clyburn. Without you two, this man who has worked his HEART out for the African American community his entire adult life, who has his Clinton Foundation Office in HARLEM, is being questioned on whether he is a RACIST or not. SHAME on you both!!! That was simply despicable behavior on their part (aided and abetted by Jesse Jackson, Jr., who also painted Hillary as a racist - don’t get me started on him.).

I can tell you this: I will NEVER vote for Jim Clyburn again (he is my representative). He engaged in WILLFUL race-baiting, and completely manipulated what Bill Clinton said about Obama’s “fairy-tale” Iraqi War stance."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/16/bill-clinton-i-am-not-a-racist/

NEW THREAD

Patsi, responding to your 'what did Heather say' comment. I'm deliberately placing this comment in a closed thread because I don't want to start things over again in the new thread.

Heather had a high order detonation.

It was pretty well clear to me that she was going through a rough patch. And, other commenters sensed it as well. Although most of us tried to help her through it despite that process being difficult for some people because of serious disagreements with her politics.

At least one commenter seemed to sense her vulnerability and launched into her in very personal terms. She was unable to handle it and responded with some really vituperative ad hominem phraseology.

At that point, most of us backed away trying to let the participants return to an even keel. It never did.

Sometime prior to the explosion, I asked one of the combatants, trying to build a bridge, if there was some modification that she could make to her posting that would lessen the animosity that was being expressed. The answer, in a word, was no. At that point it was apparent that something ugly was going to happen and it did.

I enjoyed many of Heather's posts. I'm disappointed that she hasn't felt able to return.

Flatus,
I came here at the tail end of Heathers posts. Actually, I think she was already gone, but she came back a few times. I really liked her. She's such a burst of energy and usually had something positive to say.

The way she'd lose her temper was so different than the way mean posters that strategically attack (and I believe feel very unemotional when they are doing it). I don't think most here are that bothered by emotions and someone losing their temper occasionally. It's the ones that are so systematic about attacking us, one by one and on a daily basis, that are the problem.