Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Flip-flopping? I believe he's compromising. Heh.

All the speculators need is for some bad guy in Iran to fart and the prices will go up again. They can always point to some so called "disaster" to reap profits on the backs of hard working people.

ROFL, Tom! Too true!

Also -- loved the wash day post....I remember "bluing" too....loved the smells of wash day!

If you watched The Daily Show last night, you know that Jon Stewart also thought Bob Herbert jumped the shark by crying racism on those ads.

Good Morning all
Hillary still continues to shine in New York last night!

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/04/politics/horserace/entry4320662.shtml

Craig,

Why isn't Obama further ahead?

That's the question that pundits are wringing their hands and racking their alleged brains over. What do you think?

Tom
I share some of the same memories with my Grandmother.I remember spending my summers in Oscoda,Michigan.We had cabins and motels right on Lake Huron and my Grandmother did all the laundry on an old ringer washer and hung all the linens out on the line and hand pressed all the sheets.My god that woman worked twelve hours a day every day! We cleaned all the units in the morning and did general maintainance including keeping the beach weed free.Oh how beautiful the white sandy beaches are in Northern Michigan.My Gram just died two years ago at the age of 94 in her sleep.Loved her and miss her greatly!

Thanks Patsi... I made the "bluing" and "wringer" post a new entry on my blog...

I found a pic of the old bluing bottles we used to have around the house and a small pic of the sort Maytag Wringer machine we had :)

http://eurotom.blogspot.com/

I think Obama isn't further ahead because he assumes all Hillary supporters won't care that he isn't choosing her at his running mate. He needs someone seasoned to balance the ticket, someone who has fought and won against the Repug attack machine. The race is his to lose... tossing out Hillary is one step towards heading for defeat, imho

Tony,
Loved reading 'Clinton Teases Bloomberg About Presidential Ambitions' you linked this morning.

Also very much enjoyed you sharing your memories of summers with your Grandmother on Lake Huron. In spite of all that hard work, what a great life she had. Thanks.

(now I must catch up on yesterdays posts).

Speaking of "jumping the shark" personalities-though some may believe he did this some time ago.

Apparently, Keith Olbermann told his audience that Dana Milbank WAPO ( former regular & favorite) who wrote about Obama's being presumptious & allegedly saying that 'he was the symbol....".at a dem. meeting last week , will no longer be appearing on Olbermann's show. It seems that Milbank did not provide an acceptable apology for daring to write a negative article about Obama & would no longer be welcome there. (Olbermann's statement is at Daily Kos--but for some reason could not link it)

Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen,

Patsi, oh girl I do feel for you. This heat without an a/c is unbearable. Sunday morning while I was chatting on here ,my a/c went out. Had workman her yesterday but it was late afternoon before they came and it reached 101 on my patio. blessed coolness now.

julie

Patsi,Tom
My Grandmother used to have the saying "Doin bluing you want to buy a bottle".Oh good memories.Oh Tom I agree with you, Obama isn't far ahead because of tossing Hillary to the side like an old shoe! I read some where he's losing 1 in 5 of her supporters.Sen. Obama needs to reconsider what he's doing BIG TIME.

Chloe
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for always being so kind and caring.Its always a joy to read your posts.

"For instance, when I see the Paris and Britney and Obama ad, all I see is a bunch of airheads who became famous for doing nothing - I don't see any racism - but then I don't look everywhere for it, I try to believe people are better than that. It's all media hype no matter what color it is." Posted by: politicallypissed
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/presidential-mystery-meat.html#comment-124278

hear! hear!

PP, Thanks for the response - a good one.
Britney and Paris are used to attract the younger crowd. That's the target when they use them in an ad. Nothing more complicated than that, imo.

Tony,
You're the one that's kind and caring. Enjoy reading your posts. And thank you.

This heat without an a/c is unbearable. Sunday morning while I was chatting on here ,my a/c went out. Posted by: julie young | August 5, 2008 7:47 AM

Our power went out for a couple hours yesterday, so I left. There's no possible way to survive Houston without Air Conditioning.

Patsi, I really hated seeing how a particular person was treating you last night. Glad it doesn't bother you.

"It seems that Milbank did not provide an acceptable apology for daring to write a negative article about Obama & would no longer be welcome there."

Another example of how staged Olbermans show is. You're not even allowed to disagree with him when you're not on his show. Censorship of opposing viewpoints. Unbelievable,

Chloe
You took the words right out of my mouth regarding Patsi and how that certain person treats her.I wanted to say say something last night but I keep quiet cause Patsi can take care of herself and with such CLASS!

Repel the calls to contain competitive markets By Alan Greenspan

"The surprise of recent months is not that global economic growth is slowing, but that there is any growth at all. The credit crunch of the past year has not followed the path of recent economically debilitating episodes characterised by a temporary freezing up of liquidity – 1982, 1989, 1997-8 come to mind. This crisis is different – a once or twice a century event deeply rooted in fears of insolvency of major financial institutions."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aaef4f6-623f-11dd-9ff9-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Patsi can take care of herself and with such CLASS!" tonyb39

Yes, Tony. She certainly can. But she still doesn't deserve to be talked to like that.

I have to leave for a while. Have a good day.

Chloe
Ditto!

Dog
Thanks for sharing!Oh the noodles sound Yummy! My grandmother made homemade chicken dumplings.Oh I miss them and her.

Tom....Thanks for ther bluing and Maytag photos! Those are just like the ones I remember. (Oh, I took that test -- I am the Moon....ha)

"remember her making up homemade noodles on her kitchen table and cutting them out when she was in her late 70s, "

dog -- I still make my grandmother's homemade noodles at Thanksgiving and Christmas. For years we had what we called the Widow's and Orphan's Thanksgiving at our house...musicians, etc came because Thanksgiving was too short a holiday for many to go home.

People went nuts over homemade noodles -- and I was surprised at how many had never had them. Dumplings, yes...but not the noodles. My son became the next generation noodle maker.

John Hogue post 7:23 Am says:
Why isn't Obama further ahead.
Politico has a colum his morning that says voters tend to pick the candidate who is the strongest. Not necessarily the right one, the strongest one and Obama has not been portrayed as being the strongest.

Julie

oh, dog -- about generations and food...I really believe they ate as much or in some cases more...but the additives, preservatives etc were not in the food.

I remain pissed about what has happened to the taste of ham.

Tony -- thanks for the link about the NYC event. That was great!

Yesterday the msm all had articles about Clinton saying that he was not racist and had never said anything bad or racist about Obama.

From politico:
"Say whatever you want about Bill Clinton, but it's deeply unfair to suggest his criticism of Obama was race-based,” McCain adviser Steve Schmidt told Politico, after his campaign blasted Obama for suggesting the McCain campaign would use his race against him. “We knew it was coming in our direction because they did it against a president of the United States of their own party.”

Many of Hillary's workers were AA. There is a bad feeling from the campaign workers and her some
supporters because Obama portrayed Clinton's as racist. His using the race card may come back to bite him in a bad way.

Julie
sorry about not posting clip. Having trouble with copy/paste this morning.

I wonder if there are stupid and smart spiders......we have these large spiders this time of year.....banana or garden spiders they're called.........I try to leave them be, because they cut down on the bug population with their beautifully spun architecturally perfect webs....but this one has made its web right in the walkway......I was up in the middle of the night for a bit and watched this poor little critter working on the web....my question at the time was whether to go ahead and cut loose the moorings so that she would be able perhaps to re-spin somewhere else, or just let nature take its course.......I opted for the Star Trek deal....dont interfere....so there's a great web there now which is destined for destruction because it's right over the steps down from the deck.......while on the other side is another which is in a perfect place and will endure as long as the spider's able to eat.....Is one a smart spider and the other stupid, or is it just blind luck?

I'll probably never know.

while i was up i watched Abrams.....went to sleep, left the tv on........woke up to the most inane offensive drivel from the scarbro team.....those people are really out to lunch...............I hope that doesnt happen again.......

Lt Gen. Russel Honore' on Cspan taking questions

It remains drivil. I'm so sick of "commentators" parsing Bill Clinton's words I could puke.

MSNBC is back to ragging on the Clintons. From their viewpoint maybe they feel if they can lower that image, then whomever Obama picks as VP won't suffer by comparison. Rachel Maddow was doing the same thing last night.

I think it just makes Obama look weak if he doesn't pick her. Every single quality that the talking heads say he needs for the ticket is present in one person. If he has so little confidence that he doesn't think he can hold the spotlight then maybe he better stop saying "Team of Rivals" is his favorite book because he is proving to be an emotional coward.

I think he is perfectly capable of wielding power well and he doesn't need the media making him look like a wimp.

chloe, yesterday you posted: "I know there was a plan before even the primary started, but you're not suggesting that the Republicans and Democrats were acting together on this, are you?"
among others, these folks think so
http://floridavoters.blogspot.com/2008/07/donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection.html
google brazile rove and see a variety of links going back to this winter and before.

"Now, in a sign of the times, the company is offering deeper discounts, adding lower-priced store brands and emphasizing value in its advertising."

Whole Foods Looks for a Fresh Image in Lean Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/business/02food.html?em

JetBlue Starts Selling Blankets and Pillows

"The $7 sets, which passengers can keep and reuse, include a 10-by-12 inch pillow, a fleece blanket and a $5 coupon for Bed Bath & Beyond."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/business/05pillow.html?em

Patsi

"I really believe they ate as much or in some cases more...but the additives, preservatives etc were not in the food."

In most households, as a child, you ate breakfast with parents in the morning, hot lunch prepared at school or a bag lunch fixed by mother, sit down dinner at home.

The commute to work was within 15 minutes so people in the earliest suburbs weren't getting up at the crack of dawn to throw back black coffee while rushing to drop kids off at day care before their school day and get on the road. Coming home no drive through fast food before plopping down in front of TV and then collapsing into bed.

There is so much fat, sugar, and preservatives in food that it is almost impossible to buy anything packaged, bottled or boxed that doesn't contain stuff that shouldn't be consumed by anyone.

this is eprof's link to the ongoing story of many questions regarding Ivins and the anthrax investigation......extremely interesting......

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/04/anthrax/

you know, I don't remember Bluing actually having a smell...

Here is the Olbermann link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/4/174920/2691/934/562486

'we have these large spiders this time of year.....banana or garden spiders"
sturge, i think they're also called golden orb. interesting to watch, especially the family tragedies between the large female and her various diminutive mates.
http://conservationinstitute.org/pcn/invertebrates/golden_orb_web_spiders.htm

Sturge,

Spiders are architects, and architects come in all shapes and sizes. Some are practical (boring), some are visionary (ugly misfit buildings), but few have common sense.

(Disclaimer: I don't think I've ever met an architect, but I've met and co-habited with many spiders.)

mornin' all.

sturg, I caught a bit of mojo while I was getting LP's breakfast together, and you are absolutely right about the drivel. Harold Ford was on when I was watching, and I got the impression he was thinking "WTF are you guys on?" I have never thougth much of MIka - she seems a bit (well way too) engrossed in shifting her tits just right for the camera, and doesn't have much depth in her comments either, and while I used to enjoy Mike Barnicle's articles in the Globe in a different lifetime, he's become way to enamored with the sound of his own voice and the wisdom of his words. Joe may be the only regular on the show with half a brain.

4,000 U.S. Deaths, and a Handful of Images

"BAGHDAD — The case of a freelance photographer in Iraq who was barred from covering the Marines after he posted photos on the Internet of several of them dead has underscored what some journalists say is a growing effort by the American military to control graphic images from the war."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/world/middleeast/26censor.html?scp=3&sq=July%2026&st=cse

Good Point, Julie! Can it be that simple?

People aren't going to stop talking about gas prices just because it is under $4 per gallon. The democrats are losing on this one big time. Even with Pelosi's claim that she is working to save the world. It is just not a believable arguement that drilling won't help for ten years. Some can come on line sooner, and who thinks that a reliable long distance electric car will be here in less than then years. Moving away from fossel fuels has got to happen but the transition won't happen overnight.

Drilling is not the problem... Processing of the oil into usable fuel is where there is gross lack of capacity... Plus Americans are going to have to stop thinking it's their god given right to have as much oil as they want per capita and still at prices that keeps them smiling.

Senator Obama..The bloom is off the rose..

patd.....yup that's the one.......I cant imagine how they span some of the gaps they do with their initial anchor lines.....

"Plus Americans are going to have to stop thinking it's their god given right to have as much oil as they want per capita and still at prices that keeps them smiling"

There is the statement that McCain would love to tie to Obama. A big fat TS suffer sucker.
That is why you've seen two whiplash inducing reversals of previous positions from Obama in the last week. He was getting tied to closely to the "take your medicine its for your own good" crowd.

Nobody likes a scold Tom;-)

Jack

"Processing of the oil into usable fuel is where there is gross lack of capacity"

True, and another area for McCain to paint Obama as an out of touch liberal. Bet he is test marketing it as we write.

Jack

I heard a comment on natl weather channel yesterday that there are approximately 3500 oil rigs in gulf of mexico. That is a lot of drilling, eh?
This site shows some of calculations. Interesting
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=5789

julie

Craig on MSNBC "Super Tuesday"
Today (8/5) 9:00am-1:00pm EST
(various times)

craig, can you be a bit more specific than "various times" so those of us who don't want to suffer fools not so gladly for 4 hours in order to gaze upon our leader can effectively pick thru the torture?

in re: obama and millbank and countdown......olbermann had no qualms about settling for half of bill clinton's or hillary's quotations, did he?
why now the high dudgeon? He's such a drudge.

What is the problem with the leases already approved that aren't being drilled? There has to be some reason the oil folks keep wanting more without using what they already have.

Is it a case of the trial probes not working? If so, why not trade off for other areas? If they aren't using them because they are greedy for more and purposefully keeping them off line, then it should be use it or lose it before approving even one more acre.

Nobody likes a scold Tom;-)

The irony.

A sobering article from WAPO this weekend.

Hovering above poverity, grasping for middle class.

Although facing increasing financial insecurity--job losses, rising prices--struggling to pay for life's basics--housing food & health care--with virtually no financial cushion---low wage workers remain inspired by the American dream.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201672.html

Tom, Thanks for accessing the Olbermann link.

Anony
No irony there
I don't give a flying F*** if you or anyone else in this group likes me.

Obama does.

Time to get the brain in gear anony.

Jack

"(Disclaimer: I don't think I've ever met an architect, but I've met and co-habited with many spiders.)"

ROFL, Ed!

"Harold Ford was on when I was watching, and I got the impression he was thinking "WTF are you guys on?" "

I know, pogo. He gets that look quite a bit when those clowns start jumping out of their mini cars.

"It's very anti Obama "

Oh the horror!!!

The funny thing about this is Millbank just went else where when Olberman played his games. Now Olberman is writing blog posts that has him yelling as millbank goes out the door. " you can't quit, You're fired!!!"

Classic comedy there. Only Olberman doesn't get the joke.

Truly a jump the shark moment.
Jack

Most of us already read that article, brain.

sturgeone's condensed theory of evolution:

weak monkey has to leave the tree.

From the last thread:

"Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

His sister."

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/presidential-mystery-meat.html#comment-124288

Jack is right about Olbermann though. His over large head grew two more sizes during primary season and he start seeing himself as king maker. Caught him last night because I was making dinner and couldn't stop to change channels. He's becoming unwatchable, it is so hard to keep a camera on someone twisting around to pat themselves on the back.

And here's Bob Somerby calling some members of the media elite to task for their apparent efforts to lose an election.

"Herbert, meet Dowd--and meet narrative! All big Dems get tagged this way. But to Herbert, it's all about race. How our side loses elections."

He takes on Meet the Press (Lieberman/Kerry appearance) then dissects Herbert's weekend column along with MODO comparing Obama to Austen's Darcy, relating them back to attacks on Al Gore, summing up with: According to Herbert, Gore was condescending, supercilious, contemptuous, disdainful. He was smug & boorish--just as Kerry would turn out to be! By contrast, Bush was more of "an ordinary guy."

Eight years ago Herbert was applying these RNC frameworks to the smug, supercilious Dem. Today, these same frameworks get applied to Obama--and to Herbert, it's about race.

He says this even as he says that discussions of race could doom Obama. But then, our side is amost impossibly feckless. It's how John McCain could still win.

http://dailyhowler.com/

Patsi - I'll be running that image through my head all day and chuckling.

MSNBC staff meeting?

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/Clown%20car.jpg

jamie - I'll DEFINITELY be running that image through my mind. lol.

Right now both candidates are not passing the comfort test, or "who would you like to sit down withand drink a beer"

As i told my wife this morning, they both remind you of people you know at work and don't like.
McCain is coming across as the small minded boss that is always nitpicking your work and Obama is the backstabbing get ahead at all cost bastard that just left his foot prints up your back.

They both need to work on that.

Jack

Some choice, Jack, no?

Dog

The one thing that has been consistant in the polls are the large numbers of undecided. This is August and just silly people like us are thinking about politics but come September.........

I wonder if the McCain campaign's strategy right now is to not be overwhelmed by the Rockstar hoopla that team Obama is planning for the convention. A little early inoculation can't hurt.

Jack

That's been my problem, Pogo.

Jack

As I have posted before, the bird flu vaccine was a huge political issue last election. Issues come and go, but the stain of reaction by the candidates may last through the entire election. Kerry really looked and acted like an idiot in 2004 (and he still is an idiot in my eyes).

"Plus don't forget the rampant sexism many of you claim did Hillary's campaign in."

While I agree that Hillary would also be receiving incredible attacks, I take exception with your above conclusion.

I have never thought sexism killed her campaign. Not understanding the "democratic" system of delegates as well as they should have did that. (Too bad she didn't have the telecommunications crowd running it, like O did.)

The sexism infuriated me on many levels. Most women and men who were as offended as I was felt it was being leveled at all women. On another level, quite frankly, it pissed hell out of me -- and continues to do so -- that blatently sexist commentary was being met with a wink and a nudge while even referring to LBJ was decried as racist.

What this process has shown me is that the Democrats are every bit as sexist as their counterparts. I heard several fools on television and especially on c-span saying that we couldn't afford to offend the black community because they'd be lost forever -- AFTER they rioted in the streets of Denver. (What a stupid accusation to hurl at the black community, by the way.) But those women? Haw-haw, they'll come back around -- 'cause where else they gonna go?

And speaking for myself, Mama don't play that.

Nancy the Widcatter: Funny how a poll can turn a politician's firm conviction.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html

Craig was certainly right on top of the latest issue today: the price of oil.

This just in:

Oil falls as low as $118 on demand concerns
By STEVENSON JACOBS, AP Busines Writer
25 minutes ago
NEW YORK - Oil prices kept falling Tuesday, sinking as low as $118 a barrel on growing concerns that a U.S. economic slowdown and high energy costs are curbing consumer demand for gasoline and other petroleum products.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

Tom

Sorry that that came off as an attack on you. It was a general political observation. Not a comment on you.

Jack

But still you watch.

Thank you.

Here's a tidbit about the offshore drilling issue.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102762.html

For Younger Women, Clinton Is No Martyr

"So I asked them: Did Clinton's sex play a part in her losing the nomination? And did her loss dissuade them or their girlfriends from wanting to pursue political careers? "

Robert Kennedy a big Green and strongly favors wind energy was asked by Larry King how about placing wind turbines off the Massachusetts coast, which Kennedy quickly replied it might cause disruption in the fishing industry. Quick forward 2 weeks ago, Barney Frank was asked about offshore drilling on the Massachusetts coast, which Frank said it would depend on the impact it might have on the fishing industry. LOL. Politicians answer to the energy crisis: We want to be energy independent, oil/gas drilling, solar, wind, wave, nuclear, coal, BUT.....

Here's just on example of the sexism that bubbles around on the "net" -- DISCLAIMER -- not to start a conversation about The Honeymooners. I thought it was lame all along, but that's not the point. I didn't particularly like I Love Lucy either....

An entertainment board I read had a thread started by a woman the other day. She said she'd forgotten how sexist The Honeymooners was. Good God, you'd have thought this woman was advocating mass castration.

Here's one of the first answers: "You could use a swift kick *POW* right in the vagina."

And then a bunch of others joined in...when several of us commented about the above a-hole statement, the boyz club said we just didn't understand humor and sarcasm....

craig, re your comments about bill at/not at the convention. because of his msm volitility and threat of overshadowing bho (and hrc) a safe solution for them might be to run a respectful, nostalgic video of the dems years of surplus and peace under him. or maybe let him wave at the crowd or speak encouraging words by satellite from a far off land where he's playing the good ambassador.

"For Younger Women, Clinton Is No Martyr"

I like HRC, wouldn't vote for her, but I do admire her. It is because of HRC and people like her that the younger women of today have the opportunities the have.

Patd

If Bill is not at the convention it with overshadow the message that the Democrats want to get out. The news out of the convention will be about the disorganised Democrats.

Jack

Frydaddy

That is just the way of modern thinking..

My nephew believes he did everything himself. he refuses to recognize the role public education played in his success, or the labor union that let his father have a good job and send him to college and many other things. We are a country of bootstrappers.

Jack

"MSNBC staff meeting?"

ROFLMAO! That's good, Jamie!

msnbc clowns.

"But still you watch."

No longer since they became a mouth piece for BHO. MSNBC has lost so much credibility it isn't funny, is it no wonder they are so far down in the cable ratings. The only bright spot on MSNBC is when Craig is allowed to venture onto the set.

European June Retail Sales Decline by Most Since at Least 1995
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a7_q2t7wILho&refer=home

This from a young woman who doesn't believe sexism plays a roll in her life....ROFL!

"Keenen also gave a personal example of her views on gender blindness.

She served for two years on her high school theater board, an elective position, and "really wanted to be president my senior year." But she didn't run. Why? Because she knew the race would be a popularity contest, and another candidate, a male, was more popular than she. "It never was because he was a guy," she says.

Maybe my overly cynical brain is making this up, but didn't gas prices drop nicely right before the 2004 presidential election? Of course, it wasn't quite the huge issue it is now - Katrina hadn't happened, and the economy hadn't nosedived. The big issues were the Iraq War (for Democrats) and gay marriage (for Republicans). Still, I seem to remember something like that, though the past four years have led me to always think of the worst case scenario as a default.

Fry, like most energy related issues, it's a case of balancing competing economic interests, and the simple sounding solutions aren't as simple as they sound and don't exist in a vacuum.

http://www.mass-fish.org/social-wind.html

Both are important, both have advocates, and apparently, even environmentalists like Kennedy recognize the competing economic interests - the NE area has already lost multiple industries, and fishing is one of the ones that is left. If you've ever had anything to do with fisermen in NE, you'll understand that they won't go quietly.

Lets see, we have insurance based healthcare and the study finds.

TaDa

"Chronic Illness Common Among Uninsured, Study Finds "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=a3S9yfhOv7gM&refer=home

Well Duh, that is an insurance companies main goal, insure the healthy.

Jack

Jack -- RE the economy and sales....yesterday on NPR they were touting that sales were down, yet more money was made. One economist said, "That's because they are raising the prices of everything."

Bill Clinton has been the most successful dem in the past twenty years and his party wants to hide him. More bs. It should be understood that a two-term POTUS should get some spotlight at the convention. Control freaks = Obama campaign.

What Europe retail sales lowest in 13 years? No that can't be, not Europe. I thought they were the guiding light on how our economy should work. Europe, what a joke.

FryDaddy....the European community can look to their next world prez to help their economy as he has during his short term as Senator her in the United States.

"And if changing our attitude about fuel source and cost is hard, wait until whomever gets around to actually battling the health insurance powers that bee/gatekeepers."

Worth repeating, dog.

mary, a little.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

And now.... lunch.

"most people don't care about the Clintons, you can include me in that group. "

You are missing the point. It isn't whether people care or don't care about the Clintons, it is whether or not Sen. Obama can assume the reins of power from them and not suffer by comparison. It is that strength to hold your position in space that matters.

If you try to make others look small then it diminishes you. If you aren't afraid for others to have power and credit, then it makes you look bigger.

The attack the Clinton airtime from the media takes the spotlight away from Obama and makes him look small and petty. BTW, Big Dog isn't looking all that great either at the moment for the same reason except that he is sucking up the oxygen in the room.

In many ways, we are living the latter half of the 1970s with regard to gas prices and policy. The politicians have dusted-off the old scripts of solutions for a gas-free future. Can the resurrection of disco be far behind?

If you try to make others look small then it diminishes you.

Is that why we were hearing so much about Obama's smirk? You were one of my favorites until then.

Please note that Olberboyy called out Dana Milbank from the very safe distance of Daily Kos where they censor any and all dissent.

Olberboyy is seriously delusional. The presumptuous ass actually referred to his less than entertaining puffery as "the news hour."

I'd love to see Craig take him out. (hint hint)

Jamie: "Every single quality that the talking heads say he needs for the ticket is present in one person."

Obviously "needs for the ticket" is different than what he would want in a VP.

One of the qualities that several ex-pols in the position to even consider a VP pick (i.e. top party contender) have mentioned is the ability to take direction or in other words, do what you told to do. Now, assuming that's important, I don't see HRC as that personality.

Of course the other major concern with Hillary is Bill. What to do with Bill!

"Can the resurrection of disco be far behind?"

Good point
and remember each of those solutions just need a little more money for research and in the next 10 years will be a viable alternative.
Reminds me of a friend of mine who is doing research on nuclear fusion. He started some 30 yrs ago. At the time fusion powerplants were just 20yr in the future. I ask him the other day how it was going"oh we're about 20 yrs out " he said with a straight face.

Jack

" fishing is one of the ones that is left."

And over fishing because of food demands has depleted fish stocks so badly that fisherman are having to venture farther out with greater dangers. There probably needs to be an extended moratorium to allow fish to replenish, but that would destroy the livelihoods of the industry.

Other energy solutions that would create more pollution doesn't help the fishing either. In one case it is too many mouths to feed and in the other too many cars to feed.

Jack

In the 1970, SERI was created and headquartered in Golden, Colorado (home of Coors). The Solar Energy Research Institute never went anywhere....I have to find a link as to when the government shut down the operations. So much for changing energy policy.

Boogey-nights!!

Here is a wiki link for SERI...all these years later and they sure have changed the face of our energy policy.

More waste by the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Energy_Research_Institute

Rez

"the ability to take direction or in other words, do what you told to do. Now, assuming that's important, I don't see HRC as that personality."

When she disagreed with her husband, she did so in private and then went in public to utter the administration position. After losing, the nomination she turned around and immediately appeared and cheered for Obama. She is a loyal Democrat and has the good sense to state her position out of the glare of cameras.

What to do with Bill? Too simple. If you are the Democratic president of the US with the power to ask people to "serve at your pleasure", you send your best asset out to do the humanitarian work for the US that he is already doing for his private charity. The difference as President, you get credit for ordering the response.

That is what holding the reins of power means. You give the orders. The best and brightest of your people go out and do what you tell them to do.

To me it is so obvious, USE BIll Clinton. He is a powerful resource. But, the control freak nature of the Obama PR, er, Presidential campaign, just can't let go.

"Maybe my overly cynical brain is making this up, but didn't gas prices drop nicely right before the 2004 presidential election?"

Maybe it is the oil company's sharing some of their profits with us. Or maybe there is more supply than consumption.

"Is that why we were hearing so much about Obama's smirk? You were one of my favorites until then."

Anonymous shy person without stable identity and enough aliases to fill grand canyon.:

I'm not running for President. I can be petty when I want to be petty. He doesn't have that luxury. He was smirking. I said he was smirking. I've also said very nice things about him.

"should be understood that a two-term POTUS should get some spotlight at the convention."

blode wino, tell that to your host who indicated otherwise on tv today.

Jamie...he does smirk. So does McCain. It is awful to think that we once again will have a smirking prez.

dog,

"Going for cleaner energy and fuel not supplied by the Middle East is life-changing"

OK that sounds great, but what about the 40% of the oil we use coming from Canada, or the 20% from Mexico? If I am not mistaken the US only receives something like 10% of it's oil from the Middle East. Now Europe and Japan might have a problem with the disruption of ME oil.

Oil prices are falling. Now Sen. Obama has to have to courage to come out and tell people to keep up the good work and keep doing everything they can to conserve because nothing will bring prices down faster than a drop in demand.

" Can the resurrection of disco be far behind?"

Ha! Excellent!

"His error here was trying to install the next Constitutionally eliglble member of his family as President. Chelsea's too young and Roger's a pardoned felon."

BS. That's saying Hillary wasn't qualified, merely an appendage of Bill. Maybe a rib?

Bill's error was in not realizing that all those assholes who have been voting Republican or paying no attention at all would take over the Democratic party, dismiss women, older voters and the working class and besically say that the base was worthless.

I have used this analogy before, but Bill Clinton is like one of those Chinese Finger traps....the more you pull and try to control the grip, the more trapped you get. Let him loose. He still is an amazing human.

Jamie maybe you're correct but to me I don't see her as a good second chair. I see her as a distraction. Not of Obama's making but of the media. Imagine at every opportunity there's always '"what does Hillary think". They use to do that with W; '"did he talk this over with daddy" as even dog suggests.

One final point about Bill Clinton, I rather see him than that idiot John Kerry touting the dem ideals. So, the Kennedy branch of the dem party is on this time in the election, but stiffling the Clinton branch will not win over all of the dems. Kerry lost. And he put his foot in his mouth during the four more years of Bush. But, he is a Kennedy, not a Clinton democrat. So, that idiot gets the spotlight.

Fry

2006 numbers from DOE website
Canada (17.2%)
Mexico (12.4%)
Saudi Arabia (10.7%)
Venezuela (10.4%)
Nigeria (8.1%

Lots of fun facts on this page

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm

Obama

*farts*

B -- presumed nominee.

Dog

"that there was an enormous anybody but Hillary vote within the Democratic party and independents"

What I don't understand is how Obama supporters can keep saying my 18 million is bigger than your 18 million. That side of the party keeps trying to minimize her achievement. Again it is this petty attack that his handlers believe that to make obama big they have to make her look small. I don't believe that. I actually give him more credit than that.

As to her executive ability. I think she has it. What was bad is that she didn't exercise it at the beginning and allowed previously trusted advisors to run a really bad campaign while she went and did what they said was necessary with the resultant crash of her campaign.

At the end, after the house had been cleaned and she started behaving like herself, she won won and won some more and simply ran out of states and time.

B -- she IS a Senator and a very successful one. She never lost, but was 'put down' by the Kennedy powers-that-be within the dem party. Like Jamie posted, is your 18 million bigger than my 18 million?

"does that make Hillary wino"

WOW, I didn't know losing hit her that hard
;-0

Jack

dog,

According to T. Boone , the US today, not 2006, is importing almost 70% of its oil. Of that 70% which we import, 40% (28%) comes from our good neighbors to the north, and 20% (14%) from our other good neighbors to the south.

"quadraphonic sound."

I think that is what made me stop buying cutting edge electronics.
lol

Jack

Fry

the numbers for May 2008

"The top sources of US crude oil imports for May were Canada (1.840 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.579 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.116 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.030 million barrels per day), "

oops

I see a real apples to oranges problem

The above is crude oil

The total petroleum has canada almost double others
Still Canada , Saudi Arabia, Mexico in that order

Sorry I didn't post a link
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Dog...not much too think about. Mr. Magoo doesn't have a chance unless he picks a great VP and passes on.

A very basic primer on off shore oil

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/offshore.html

I’ll only make a general statement here not wanting to step on anyone’s self esteem.

It is because of Gloria Steinem, Shirley Chisholm, Bella Abzug, Betty Friedan, Shirley MacLaine, Jane Fonda and many, many more before them that made it possible for Hilliary Clinton to even become a viable candidate.

You can't use simple free market analyses to describe the oil commodities markets. because they are anything but free, controlled by numerous cartels and oligopolies that collude to manipulate both supply and price. Demand doesn't really factor into the equation under those pretexts.

Dog...although I threw quite a bit of money at the Kerry campaign, he was flawed from the outset. I think things may have been different if Edwards has been the first choice. But, now Edwards has his Hunter problem and can't save the dem party, either. Plus, we all boast how a well run campaign makes for a great prez....I disagree. Bush still had Rove in 2004 and like Axelrod, he can run a campaign. IMHO, I disagree that a great political campaign makes for a great prez. After Bush, who can feel that way?

Dog the problem with the tire gauge solution is the in the numbers, notice the article gave no solid numbers.

Jack

Jane Fonda? LOL... keep flying THAT flag.

Karolena

Did you mix movie stars and politicians on purpose? I am having a hard time connecting Jane Fonda's workout video helping HRC.

“Did you mix movie stars and politicians on purpose? I am having a hard time connecting Jane Fonda's workout video helping HRC. “

“Fonda has served as an activist for many political causes, one of the most notable and controversial of which was her opposition to the Vietnam War. She has also protested the Iraq War and violence against women.

Fonda has been a longtime supporter of feminist causes, including V-Day, a movement to stop violence against women, inspired by the off-Broadway hit The Vagina Monologues, of which she is an honorary chairperson. She was present at their first summit in 2002, bringing together founder Eve Ensler, Afghan women oppressed by the Taliban, and a Kenyan activist campaigning to save girls from genital mutilation.”

Guess you had to be there at that time and it’s unfortunate that you think workout videos are all the legacy she will leave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Fonda

Dog

I haven't been tearing him down. I actually think his current management is doing that without my help.
As to whose 18 million is the biggest, that isn't PUMA. That is the popular vote as cast by Democrats during the primary season. To pretend that there isn't a rift between the brothers Teddy Kennedy and Robert Kennedy wings of the party is to deny reality. It is there it exists.

Tearing down Hillary doesn't unify the party. I'm taking the position that Sen Obama makes himself look more presidential by acknowledging his empathy for the people to whom he wasn't the first choice.

Who could forget Barbarella?

Or how about her sitting atop artillery pointed towards U.S. forces?

That's called the pick one small thread and pull while ignoring the rest of the post trick.

Recommended for ignoring the point, which might be inconvenient to acknowledge.

Probably has a fancier name in law school.

"Who could forget Barbarella?"

Didn't see it.

no way to detect which varieties have high THC content.
Posted by: Blonde wino | August 5, 2008 1:44 PM

Uh, yeah, there is; and I'll volunteer to do the testing.

Jack

Quadraphonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WKRRYZEMw

Karolenna

Don't let my blonde hair fool you...I have attended lectures by Jane Fonda...she is a great help here on the border where the life of a female is quite cheap. In our sister city of Juarez, murders of females surpasses any drug cartel wars.

Susan Saradon is also a movie star with political work on her resume. My point was that career politicians are way different than movie stars with polictical leanings.

Blonde Wino,

Hemp has so many useful applications...it's a shame it's still a casualty in the failed war on drugs.

“Or how about her sitting atop artillery pointed towards U.S. forces?“

According to the Vietname POW’s Against McCain, Jane Fonda was actually right in her protests about bombing little children and old people. Watch some of their videos to hear what they say. Maybe that’s why the 32 film clips McCain provided the Viet Cong will never be released and are classified forever. And, the reason his code name was Songbird because he sang repeatedly to the Viet Cong.

I posted some links on here yesterday but they didn't clear the scrutiny process!!!

Champ...great work if you can get it. From the air (in a plane, not flying high), the feds can't detect potent THC from rope hemp.

Karolenna

Don't let my blonde hair fool you...I have attended lectures by Jane Fonda...she is a great help here on the border where the life of a female is quite cheap. In our sister city of Juarez, murders of females surpasses any drug cartel wars.

Susan Saradon is also a movie star with political work on her resume. My point was that career politicians are way different than movie stars with polictical leanings.

Hey whskydog
Before you start the inevitable name calling (the last refuge in a failed argument) I suggest that you do a little homework on PUMA.

So interesting that now that it can have little (if any) impact on the nomination, Obama wants to seat the MI and FLA delegations at full strength. He's fine with it as long as the DNC's soviet-style process is in place (one person / one vote / one candidate).

Big Dawg was right: Obama is a good politician.
Whether he's constitutionally eligible is another story.

Oh and by the way, PUMA exists because the big picture is so very troubling.

Bear...my last post didn't make it, but your point about the feds and hemp is the essence of the "does your government really care about you or is it about making their cronies rich?"

: ) Thanks for the turtle link...I actually have two desert turtles living in my backyard....didn't think of putting them to work!

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Blonde wino,

I really have no idea where you live, what you do, or even if your hair is blonde, which, BTW, mine happens to be. There are probably only about two people on this board that I know may be male or female. Have no clue where they live either. I’m not on here all that much. Just stop by to read from time to time.

I was pointing out that there were many women from different backgrounds who were involved in the women’s moment very early on. And, some stars people go on to be involved in politics. Also love Susan Saradon and her husband for their political work and their professional careers. I happen to like Jane Fonda who has been denigrated by the right wing press too much. I was in and around those protests and riots on the Ohio State campus during the Vietnam War when she was getting much bad press. There are a lot of women in Appalachia whose lives are quite cheap right now. They stand in food lines for their families on a weekly basis…when the food banks have food for them!! It’s the same mostly throughout the US now. That’s why we can’t afford another Bush in the WH. I think you and I agree more than disagree.

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"Dog the problem with the tire gauge solution is the in the numbers, notice the article gave no solid numbers."

Jack,

I don't know if you think maintaining proper tire inflation and having regular engine service will increase performance and mileage. I do and the article PROVIDED a figure of @7%. Which for my old chevy pickup would mean an increase a average from about 15.5 to 17 mpg in both local and highway driving. And that 1-2 mpg increase is about all I 've ever heard from anyone I've listened to in my life on the subject.

As the article and Jamie commented yesterday; extrapolate that to millions of cars and in my mind it doesn't require statistics, a physics degree or a PP presentation to believe our nation's gasoline consumption would decrease by an approximate amount. I think that would in turn show up in similar decrease in pump price as demand would be lower. I'm sure I'm missing something so help me out.

Now, that's not the solution to our energy problems but it's help. And Champ's suggestion that pump price is a mixture of demand and industry BS is probably accurate too.

"I don't see her as a good second chair. "

Agree with Rez on this. I don't want to see her anywhere near the Chicago mob.

In Lansing yesterday, they interviewed a few women who were former Clinton supporters who now fully supported Obama. However, they both said they wished that Obama would pick Clinton as his running mate. I have also heard people say whether or not they vote for Obama depends on who he chooses as his running mate.

"If Hillary were the nominee, I would not be enthusiastic about it. But I cannot imagine being on a website tearing her down daily either. "

BS again. YOu spent the primary yapping away at how polarizing she was -- all that "just not this woman" BS. Face it, you have a problem with other women....

"I’ll only make a general statement here not wanting to step on anyone’s self esteem."

Why would that offend anyone Karo -- it's the first positive thing I've seen you say about women since you showed up here.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/falling-gas-prices-spell-relie.html#comment-124427

jamie, all of that has merit, but those are not the concerns that are at issue between the wind farmers and the fishermen. The New England commercial fisheries have been fishing the Grand Banks and Georges Banks for more than a century - and they want to keep fishing them and will fight to do so. That's where the issue of over fishing probably is the keenest, but that's not where the windfarms will be for the most part - those will be closer in, in shallower waters, and will affect a smaller portion of the fishing fleet that operate smaller boats. The ones at issue are proposed for Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound and should in part at least be within sight of Cape Cod, Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard - which are the rough boundaries of the area at issue, which if you'll recall was an issue for Ted Kennedy that led to accusations of hypocrisy on the part of the Kennedy family because of his apparent NIMBY stance. That area is fished by medium sized trawlers for finfish, flukes and squid, and the efforts of the fishermen are to have appropriate mitigation measures put in place to allow for continued, albeit reduced, fishing of the area. Overfishing is a different issue, that will not be addressed directly as part of this issue. These areas have limits in place as it is, and the development of the wind farms will reduce fishing in the area by necessity.

Oh, and jamie, it's a long read, but the report I linked is a very interesting study that addresses many of the issues surrounding wind farms and fishing - I think you'd enjoy it.

Sorry if I messed up the namr othe poster.

The comment was meant for whoever confuses concern and outrage over the manipulation of the nomination process with "spite".

Europe, what a joke.

Posted by: FryDaddy | August 5, 2008 11:57 AM

Euro haters... What a joke !!

Karolenna,

You may truly have run into a scrutiny process yesterday. I wasn't around enough to have a clue. My guess is that you may have tried to post more than two links in the same post. We've read often here that two is the maximum.

"Why would that offend anyone Karo -- it's the first positive thing I've seen you say about women since you showed up here."

Frankly, Patsi, I saw that you and your partners on here were talking about someone talking offensively or something like that to you last night. I did not know if you were talking about me or someone else, because I did not mean to say anything to you that was offensive. Almost always you come back to me for something I've said and slam me thinking that because I did not support Hilliary Clinton this time that I am anti-woman. If I said anything to you last night that you thought was offensive, it was not meant to be. I'm just getting sick and tired of the venting on here. It's like anyone who comes on who does not agree with you and the "regulars" are called anything.

I say women make their way in this world the same as anyone else. I've worked hard all my life and frankly because I had a husband who was severely ill most of our 30 years together, I worked harder than most sometimes holding my regular position and taking on other positions to get my family by. But, I do not feel that anybody owes me anything.

Almost everything you say is so polarizing to just about everyone, even those you seem to like. I just don’t understand it.

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Karolenna,
We weren't talking about you.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/falling-gas-prices-spell-relie.html#comment-124393
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I disagree with this story completely ... THAT's not this area around us .. my daughter, Carrie just grdurated from College, works at a Savings Bank & a Manager up a AMC theater here .. she's got the ear of a very big age range .. they wanted Hillary Clinton, all around ....