Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Stinky got me out of bed at 0530 just to make sure that I wouldn't miss a fine opportunity to work in the yard. Sheesh.

So, we've had breakfast, made the bed, and puttered around the house. And, now, I'm sitting here watching the Palin introduction that's being rerun on C-Span.

I have no idea if Gov Palin will be a good candidate.

But, I know, from her resume, that she has had substantial experience that will be of benefit to our country wherever she serves.

And she's a woman.

Jay
It could be said that you miss the point also.. Palin in her resume has been a mayor, a governor, head of the Alaska National guard, has foreign trade experience.
Obama has nothing. 1 year of senate. Laughable Illinois senate job. running for office the balance of the time. Yes, I would trust her experience over his nothingness any day. Yes he has Biden now to cover his back because he lacks the experience domestic and Foreign. But she would equally have people behind her to bolster her as well.
I believe she could stand up to the foreign powers. Perhaps BO could, but If he could not, you would just say the party has failed!. She is being condemned before she even has a chance . At least she is "a heatbeat away from the presidency" , but Obama would be inexperienced heartbeat itself..
julie

Funny how so many here were making fun of Palin having been in a beauty contest, yet during the primary made fun of Hillary Clinton's "big butt" and attire.

No BS around here -- ha!

McCain Behaving Mavericky: Brilliant! His VP Roll-out blunted coverage of Obama's successful by-all-accounts Convention Speech. His VP Pick makes it more plausable that he can diminish Obama's lead among women by at least a couple of percentage points, thereby bringing several of the closely-contested, critical, Obama-must-have swing states back to Red. No wonder the Democratic response to her has been viral and visious. Of all the counter-arguments, the most mythical is that the Palin pick somehow steps on McCain's chief experience argument against Obama, as if Obama's VP pick didn't step on his Change message. Dan Qayle anyone?

I just learned more about Wasilla, Palin's small town in Alaska. I looked through the town's charter seeing exactly what her responsibilities were.

In many municipalities, the mayor is the titular head of the city with day to day management being accomplished by a city manager or administrator. In Wasilla, Palin was truly the boss having total executive responsibility for everything going on in the city. Her annual salary was $75k.

Despite the population of her town, her office had exactly the same responsibilities as a large city, albeit on a smaller scale.

She had responsibility for roads, fire and police services, parks and recreation, code enforcement, taxation, etc.. In other words, she was a true executive. And, evidently she did well.

Sarah Palin is the one many people have been waiting for. Her appeal is authenticity--something that the other 3 nominees lack. Issues are complicated-gut feelings are not. When voters go to the polls in November, I think most will go with their gut.

Democrats would have more credibility if they accepted Gov Palin as a competent executive with a broad range of experience.

There are plenty of ways contrasting her stand on issues with what liberals generally believe. Just go down, item by item, the platform of each party and differentiate.

Attacking her in the same way that Senator Clinton was attacked makes her one more victim of an out of control Chicago cabal. And it garners for her support that would not otherwise be there.

http://jeancooks.blogspot.com/2006/10/road-food-pursuits-5-8-club-tavern.html

Roadfood for the Republican Convention

How about a "juicy lucy"
or those not familiar, a “Juicy Lucy” (also seen spelled “Jucy Lucy”) is a creation that originated in south Minneapolis. Simply put, it is almost a “reverse cheeseburger, if you will. Two hamburger patties are pressed together with cheese stuffed on the inside. When you bite into it, you will get a nice bit of ooey-gooey cheese seeping out from the middle of the burger.

http://www.hellskitcheninc.com/

This place looks great

Flatus, So you got to sleep in today !! Early bird gets the worm and by now the day is almost half over !!

Sarah Palin by now has already feed the family, run lines with her husband, cleaned something (including corrupt elements ) and is ready for the next thing

Special Chowhound story for people attending the RNC

http://www.chow.com/stories/11271

Mornin KGC, Patsi. and all

Do you think one can get Fried Bologna?

Off to chores

Morning everyone,

I've been blogging on the other thread to sturgeone. I didn't even know
there was a new thread up. Dah!

Patsi,
I left you a post on the thread before this one.

One note of caution to Camp Obama. Don't underestimate
the power of the Repubs and Sarah Palin. There are many
people who find Palin charming and refreshing. To view Palin
as only an empty-headed, unsophisticated, beauty queen
would be a mistake, in my humble opinion.

"Attacking her in the same way that Senator Clinton was attacked makes her one more victim of an out of control Chicago cabal. And it garners for her support that would not otherwise be there."

flatus, you're so right except that it's more the in control msm cabal rather than the chicago one.

patd and flatus,

Your comment about Sarah Palin are important.

Democrats should show respect to Palin even though they disagree with her. The DNC, the media and Camp Obama have a lot of repair work to do in regard to their handling of women presidential and VP candidates. They all should tread softly.

I meant "comments"

and so it goes:

the most amazing thing to me is that anyone anywhere in america at this time could seriously entertain the faintest most miniscule resolve to consider in any way at all imaginable that most ludicrous possibility --- given the last eight years of gop nosediving into unbelievably oil-soaked wretchedness --- of casting a vote for a republican......
It's quite simply mind-boggling to even attempt to form a concept of that (what would you call it....... "delusional "?) construct of GOP politics for which many americans might cast their votes.

I realize that as a gop person one is duty bound to come to the aid of the party.... sifting thru the ruins, as it were, for anything of any value at all which might be salvaged......
But I mean, really..........

facing up to the fact that you, as gop and independents, twice voted bush-cheney into office would HAVE to give you some kind of question about the potential disaster which could result from your pursuing your desires where leader of the country is concerned......

Wouldnt it?

I just cant see the least validity in any reasoning which would lead to a republican vote at this point.........
just for one instance.......when a gop says he or she wants to "cut taxes" .......it's not as if it were YOUR taxes theyre talking about........it's weird the way a phrase "cut taxes" can sway someone into believing that THEY themselves are going to get some actual relief from governmental taxation.....

It's like giving somebody a job for which they are paid handsomely to take a stick and repeatedly jab you and whack you over the head with it.......then when their contract is up they ask you for another stint.......and so "what the hell, you held that stick firmly and really applied yourself to it in a dedicated manner.....Yes, we'll re-new your contract".

Nahhhhhh...........all stick, no carrot.

"Attacking her in the same way that Senator Clinton was attacked makes her one more victim of an out of control Chicago cabal. And it garners for her support that would not otherwise be there."

Exactly right, Flatus. But this crowd is incapale of doing that. (I will give Obama props though -- I think he figured that out yesterday and jumped to correct it. But many of his surrogates won't be able to stop the BS. I even saw one item that suggested she shouldn't be in the VP slot because she should be taking care of her special needs baby.)

KGC -- That place sounds great. I'll have the corned beef hash and eggs.

"Do you think one can get Fried Bologna?"

By Gawd, you can get it here in the South! (Though I prefer my own, less greasy....getting pretty bad when contemplating the grease content of fried balogna, huh?)

Flatus, Patsi...I agree with you about the folly of "attacking" Palin, but I think I'm coming at it from a different angle.

I simply don't think she needs to be attacked -- because all of her deficiencies will become self-evident as the campaign progresses. The last thing Dems should do is anoint her with victim status. That would simply be a distraction.

McCain, on the other hand, is the one who should be attacked for making this cynical choice. I think when the dust settles and all the announcement hype clears, people are going to be scratching their heads and asking whether this is the really kind of judgment we want from a man who would be president.

Patsi,
Someone said the other day that Mika was putting sugar on her grits and that was a no no. I was raised in the south and always put sugar on grits. What do they do in Tenn? Personal preference or sugar a no no.

julie

Sturge...loved your manifesto.

Palin is a big hit with the Republicans and so far the media narrative is good for her. She unites the wacko wings of the GOP in away McCain has not been able to do.

The Minnesota State Fair is going on during the convention and you can get anything fried and on a stick...

"The last thing Dems should do is anoint her with victim status. That would simply be a distraction."

Lard -- I didn't even see Hillary as a "victim." I saw sexism pure and simple. And I took it as personal as if someone called Bye Bye the n-word. That's how serious I am about demeaning women with gender-based attacks.

There are a few things I mightily respect Sarah Palin for -- she absolutely is NOT in the pocket of big business. Unlike every one of the other three candidates. She took on corruption in her own party and beat them. God love her for that. The rest of her politics are fair game -- go for it.

(If I'd been her, and my ex-brother-in-law tasered my sister's son, I wouldn't have fired him. I'd have shot him. And she's damn sure got the guns to do it....:)

Julie -- I love grits fixed the same as Cream of Wheat -- with milk and sugar. I don't like regular grits....

When we moved from Denver in 1983, we were at a little cafe for breakfast and my then-8 year-old son asked the waitress what "grits" were. Her answer: "Honey, if you don't know, you don't want 'em."

Palin followed through on her campaign promises to reduce her own salary, and to reduce property taxes by 40%.[3] At this time, state Republican leaders began grooming her for higher office.[12] She ran for re-election against Stein in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[3][13] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Palin pushes all the gooper buttons. Property taxes are a hot issue everywhere.

In terms of the trooper gate scandal. According to the wiki post --she has fired a lot of people --been investigated and been cleared. She is a raving winger (she likes Bigot Buchanan) yet Andrea Mitchell described her as a libertarian.

I do not think she will fade away as a McCain mistake

Patsi...okay, and thanks for the clarification. It's just that Flatus referred to Palin as possibly "one more victim" of an out of control Chicago cabal, and you agreed with that characterization. (I'm assuming his implication was that Hillary was a previous victim).

Anyway, I never saw Hillary as a "victim" either. I still think she was the best-qualified to be president, even though she turned out not to be the best campaigner.

Lard....maybe more of a mani-fester?

Sturge -- I wholeheartedly agree about the Republicans. They do not deserve another chance. But any illusions I had about the Democratic party are gone as well. They are all despicable. What I do in Red State TN doesn't matter anyway. So I won't cast a vote for either party at the presidential level. I'll vote straight ticket down ballot. Although as far as I can see, half of the new Democrats being elected are as conservative as Republicans.

WHO IS SARAH PALIN? ETHICS CRUSADER, MOM, THORN IN BIG OIL'S SIDE

By TOM KIZZIA
McCLATCHY NEWS SERVICE
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080830/NEWS/808300355/1348&title=Who_is_Sarah_Palin_

Analysis of the pick
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080830/NEWS/808300377/1348&title=McCain_s_right_gamble_

both articles very favorable to the Palin pick

Patsi.....yup.....democrat 'e bun all twiss up too......

Patsi...

Regarding the Sturgeone Manifesto...

The whole political construct of "liberal" vs. "conservative" seems like just a quaint relic anymore. Almost irrelevant.

I think the new choice is "sane" vs. "insane." And unfortunately, we've been living with the latter for the past eight years.

That's how far this country has fallen.

Lard -- I think Flatus was using a kind of generic "victim" -- but then, I tend to think of "victims" as people who get run over by drunk drivers and the like.

That in no way changes the long term effects of sexism. And I know I bring it up too much. But the strangest thing is, I hadn't been on a feminist high horse in years -- until the MSM and complacent Democrats brought it into play.

And calling Alaska a worthless state as a way to demean Palin is another completely stupid tactic.

"The whole political construct of "liberal" vs. "conservative" seems like just a quaint relic anymore. Almost irrelevant."

And as the Dixie Chicks sang, "There's Your Trouble."

The selection of Sarah Palin as vp candidate has certainly raised the anger of democrats & their media allies.

Would not be surprised if Sarah Palin---as incongruous as it may seem-- may appeal to blue collar, lunchbucket voters--just as Hillary did--not because of her views on issues--but more so because of her personal story.

Coreen

You are probably right about the blue collar workers and lunch bucket voters. Both Palin and husband are involved with unions in Alaska. That is bound to appeal to those that Obama cannot attract.

julie

I agree, Coreen. And (sorry Lard, ha!) Last week I did one of those online deals where you could pick Repub candidates by dragging their photos into a line. I tried to think if I was a Pub consultant, and Palin was first in the line. But I never thought McCain would do it.

Taking a road trip for a week. See all you hags and racists later. LOL

j/k Patsi, you're just a Maroon!

Be kind

Sarah Palin made a good first impression. She was unknown nationally before being introduced as the GOP Vice-Presidential pick but is now viewed favorably by 53% of voters nationwide. Her counterpart, Joe Biden, is viewed favorably by 48%. While Palin has made a good first impression, the more significant numbers will come a week from now after the nation has a chance to learn more about her.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Katherine,

Was about to post the Rasmussen poll results about
Sarah Palin's first impression myself, when I saw you
had beat me to the punch.

I think that she will be received very well in
the states situated between you & me! She comes
across as a regular kind of person--no airs, certainly
no hint of elitism.

Probably some good advice over at Talk Left: "If I were the Obama campaign
I would ignore Palin as much as possible. Attacking her will not do you any good."

Craig,

Imus is back on the Little Station that could KCAA kept playing Imus's archived shows after he was fired...got threatened with a lawsuit for their stand. Imus now on more radio stations then when he was fired.

http://getoffmyphone.blogspot.com/2008/08/behind-times.html

When are you going to be on Imus in the Morning again? One more Cow baby just one more Cow :)

I can see the McCain campaign ad about Palin: First listing her positive professional and personal achievements and character and closing with "And She's just the Republican Vice Presidential Candidate. McCain - Palin: Experience, Character, Change!

Coreen

I agree -I think Big Tent's post on the new Obama ad is correct stick to the issues and tie McCain to Bush.

I woke up today and the sun is shining. I was worried it might not be after yesterday's news.

about Palin, rush limbo kept saying: "Guns, Babies, and Jesus".

Ironically, today it is the Republican John McCain who is proposing the tax policies of President Kennedy, which led to the economic boom of the 1960s, rather than the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama. Indeed, what Mr. Obama is proposing is the opposite of Kennedy's tax policies.
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/08/29/mccain-obama-taxes-oped-cx_pf_0829ferrara.html

ROFL, sturge! From Rush's mouth to GOP ears. I'm tellin' you -- she'll make up for McCain's lack of religious and gun shooter enthusiasm. She needs the t-shirt I'm wearing right now: Greetings from The Landover Baptist HOLY BIBLE GUN CAMP.

Bizarre. Why WOULD Dooty vote for John McCain?

Here's the quote about Palin's "mom duties" I referenced earlier:

CNN’s John Roberts: "There's also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome.... Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

The oink just turned into a squeal...

By the way, props again to Obama and Biden for shutting down the campaign's knee jerk attacks against Palin quickly.

Patsi, McCain lost a lot of votes here and there yesterday, it seems.

Okay, I'm off to Verizon Wireless to see if Kris Draper and Darren McCarty of the Detroit Red Wings are really there right now. Don't know if Stanley will be with them.

Memorial for Stephanie Tubb-Jones on C-SPAN

What will the democrats & their media allies do with regard to Rep. VP candidate Sarah Palin---

"A brilliant trap makes dems the male chauvinists"

Kirsten Powers NYPost (yes, this is an admittedly republican/right of center publication)" points out potential traps:

She points out that from the start Obama supporters/operatives are using gender specific attacks to undermine Palin.

"No sooner was Hillary Rodham Clinton out of the race, and a new woman is in the cross hairs".

And the "experience" or more precisely "lack of experience" attack---"The more Democrats complain about this, the more Republicans can turn it on them and say, 'If you are so concerned about the amount of experience of the VP, what about the top of your ticket?'

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302008/news/columnists/a_brilliant_trap_makes_dems_the_male_cha_126765.htm?page=0

Patsi,

Yes it was very wise of Obama to tamp down the direct initial attacks of Palin by his team---but will that direction be heard by Obama supporters/true believers.

Hil'ry helped crack the glass ceiling, but if Palin thinks it's gonna be shatter for her, she is sorely mistaken. It's not that she is unaccomplished, but she is not ready to lead...plus, I really detest her stand on the issues.

If anyone thinks that McCain picked her for anything other than to try to win Hil'ry's supporters, think again. He is pandering; he is sexist; she is a token female. This is not good for women...and her stand on the issues is even worse for women.

If McCain didn't do this out of desparation to grab at the female vote, then the only other scenario that I can think of is that he really is a maverick...and wants to buck the GOP system by losing in November.

I still think Hil'ry was the best choice, but it is increasingly clear that McCain should not be allowed to sit in office...nor should Palin.

I hope that BO has something more substantial & specific to say about his plans in the coming weeks. I'm still not comfortable with some of his statements and choices, but it now seems I will remain blue.

Flatus

"Attacking her in the same way that Senator Clinton was attacked makes her one more victim of an out of control Chicago cabal. And it garners for her support that would not otherwise be there."

You are absolutely right. Any woman who has actually run a home with five children, a small city, and a large state has the capacity to run a country. Heck with a little backup she could probably run the world. Those qualities demonstrate supreme juggling abilities.

Politically, she is a far right idealogue and has little to nothing in common with my beliefs in the way a government should relate to its citizens.

Democrats will underestimate this woman to their peril.

The thrill factor
Saturday, Aug 30, 2008

By Doug Thompson

Any chance Barack Obama would carry Arkansas dried up Friday.

Neither Obama nor his running mate, Joe Biden, could come to Arkansas without Bill or Hillary and draw much more than a polite crowd. New GOP vice presidential pick Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska could. She'd have to go to the Embassy Suites in Rogers, the corporate hanger out at Northwest Regional Airport or the Springdale Convention Center, but she'd draw one. I could see her in a duck blind in Stuttgart wearing camo and an NRA cap, too.

GOP candidate John McCain united his party by picking this conservative darling. Obama's still trying to heal clear rifts in his.

The biggest Democratic rift is not between Obama and former Hillary Clinton supporters, per se. The dangerous split is between Obama and the same "Reagan Democrats" who have cost the Democrats five of the last seven presidential elections.

Those voters aren't "Hillary voters" as much as they are people who fired a protest vote against Obama......

Palin's profoundly inexperienced. What's sobering is that she's made more tough calls as governor of Alaska in two years than Obama's made significant or tough votes in the Senate floor in four. Obama brags about going after big business then votes for the telecommunications immunity bill and belatedly backs offshore drilling. Palin fights the oil industry in Alaska and takes no prisoners even when one of her foes employs her husband.

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2008/08/30/DougThompson/347728.html

So far the GOP is winning the spin war

Now I know who Palin reminds me of - Phylis Schlaffley!

I think McCain did what Obama couldn't...get Hil'ry supporters to show Dem loyalty. Clearly, he had many other choices for veep who are more experienced and who appeal to the GOP base.

PRINCETON, NJ -- John McCain's surprise selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate raises again the issue of gender in presidential politics. McCain, as is typical of Republican presidential candidates, does significantly less well among women than among men, and an analysis of more than 25,000 Gallup Poll Daily tracking interviews in August shows that the biggest gender gap is among whites who are independents.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109942/Can-Sarah-Palin-Appeal-White-Female-Independents.aspx

About the last 8 years and the ability for the GOP to sell a line and make it stick:

Just the other day I received an email from a Republican acquaintance that told me he couldn't possibly vote for Obama/Biden because, "they will bring back tax and spend government programs".

There are some things that make you shake your head and know that there is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will make a bit of difference.

katherine hepburn and dick cavett on tmc channel......kate didnt know it was being filmed, thought it was just prep

I'm sure the GOP will start "whining" as soon as someone goes after Palin...and she has a built-in buffer on the experience issue since BO is a bit lacking in that area, too. However, her stance on the issues will drive Hil'ry's supporters away. We weren't looking for a woman, we were looking for a capable person & that just happened to be a woman. McCain doesn't get it...and he won't get my vote.

Pesonally, I love the pick of Palin for VP...

It means Tina Fey MUST come back to SNL !

~gidget

The Repub lack of fiscal responsibility the past 8 years is going to ensure that they will not get far with the old "tax & spend" line.

If you don't have C-SPAN on, turn or try to play the video that is bound to be up later. They are giving their Sister Stephanie one hell of a send off.

Of course neither of the cable "NEWS" channels is carrying it, but I believe that both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are there, but I only caught one quick camera pass of the dignitaries.

according to cavett, that is......

Funny, I was just wondering who would play her on SNL. Krisen Wiig could surely do the accent, heck, Palin sounds a little bit like the Taarrget lady. Your right. Tina Fey.

Darrel Hammond as Biden...and the Mayor of London.

Barack Obama is there too. Sitting next to Hillary.

HRC, Bill and BO are sitting together at the service....

The Minnesota State Fair is going on during the convention and you can get anything fried and on a stick...

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | August 30, 2008 9:06 A

My favourite event! The Minnesota State Fair !! I miss it so much and wish I could have been there this year. !!!

I can remember walking as a child. It was not customary to say you were fatigued. It was customary to complete the goal of the expedition.

---Katherine Hepburn's Epitaph.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2258563229_3b61c16e08.jpg?v=0

http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-09-27/news/the-conservative-crack-up-over-harriet-miers/

Where's Gordo when you need him to proof read

"There is another kind of conservatism, which might be called legal conservatism. This counsels adherence to precedent, self-restraint, judicial modesty, with an emphasis on preserving the autonomy and integrity of the court from the taint of politics. Chief Justice Roberts espoused this kind of conservatism. From the conservative point of view, the problem with this kind of conservatism is that it promises to lock into place longstanding decisions like Roe and the Warren Court’s liberal constitutional reforms. This is why the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue was unhappy with Roberts, and has already come out against Miers."

Lard, Patsi

I just looked back at what I wrote. I think it says exactly what I wanted it to say if it's not parsed. I suppose it would say it just as well if you substituted casualty for victim, but...

"Democrats would have more credibility if they accepted Gov Palin as a competent executive with a broad range of experience.

There are plenty of ways [of] contrasting her stand on issues with what liberals generally believe. Just go down, item by item, the platform of each party and differentiate.

Attacking her in the same way that Senator Clinton was attacked makes her one more victim of an out of control Chicago cabal. And it garners for her support that would not otherwise be there."

I absolutely believe that the American people have been victimized by a hijacked Democratic party.

Clinton urges support for Obama, says stakes high
(gives weekly Democratic radio response)

By WILL LESTER – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton urged voters Saturday to support Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, saying the stakes of the election are high and the differences between Obama and Republican John McCain are stark.

"During our convention, we Democrats laid out clear, bold solutions to tackle the two biggest challenges confronting our nation — economic disarray at home and a decline in American strength and support around the world," she said in the Democrats' weekly radio address. "The contrasts between us and the Republicans could not be starker, especially on issues that matter to middle-class families."
p://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iep_vt2wcs74HzBCEK_aRPXThS1QD92SM5RG0

"The Corporate Mainstream Media has just received word that they have ANOTHER gang-rape to attend. Just when they thought that they could take a break from their rampant bias, sexism and utter contempt for the concept of journalistic integrity, John McCain has given them another woman to deal with: Sarah Palin.

In a silly stupor, they immediately began their rabid work to somehow discredit her as best they can, slowly finding out that the best they could do was somehow besmirch the event in the minds of the impressionable fools who watch their programs."

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1640

"Now I know who Palin reminds me of - Phylis Schlaffley! "

Nope -- I've spoken at women's conferences where Schlafly spoke back in the 70s. Schlafly uses her right wing nut status as a weapon. I don't think Palin is that way particularly. I disagree completely with her politics, but she's no Phyllis clone.

Wrote a blog article today about the two last states in the union and the two candidates that were born there.

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/

Flatus -- the party has been mugged.

"I absolutely believe that the American people have been victimized by a hijacked Democratic party"

Flatus
I absolutely agree with you!! I also agree on your thoughts regarding the Palin choice..I have been trying to put together a post on Palin,but I couldn't say it better than you!!!

Patsi
I also love your fair minded thoughts on Palin.I say disagree and take her to task on policy, but keep it respectful! I think after the way Hillary was treated by some Dem's,they shouldn't repeat any of the same sexist mean spirited ways on Rep.Gov. Palin.Bad very bad if they do.....

Not just ban same sex, but strip the provision from state employees to extend partner benefits. When it comes to gays and lesbians, Sarah Palin is practically a troglodyte.

Tonyb39

How does it feel to have your every remark parsed and misinterpreted by the blog scold?

"Democrats will underestimate this woman to their peril."

Jamie, you're absolutely correct.

You and I both know that their arrogance will cause just that kind of underestimation.

A Brilliant Trap Makes Dems the Male Chauvinists

"SoetorObama argued all through the primaries that his inexperience doesn’t matter, so hitting Palin with anything falls into a brilliant trap that now focuses attention back on what a poor choice SoetorObama the Modest is for Democrats.

... the liberal left is terrified of Sarah Palin. They have been shrieking irrationally since yesterday morning, attacking her without thinking in the most crazy terms. They are truly terrified — McCain pulled off a stunner. They were all ready to go after Romney and Pawlenty and have been taken completely by surprise. It’s really fun to watch this — because we know the blowback that is coming. Sarah Palin is tough, and she has her party behind her 100%, so SoetorObama the Modest has no idea what’s coming for him."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/a-brilliant-trap-makes-dems-the-male-chauvinists/

Be Be Wynans just tore up the crowd with the Rascal Flats song "Stand"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax0S67XJP7w

"I may not believe that Sen. Obama is as qualified for the job as Senator Clinton,but I KNOW he is ahell of a lot better than the Republican alternative."

Jamie YES!! That explains the reason for my vote here in Florida,if I lived in a red state though?

"The announcement, and genius behind the announcement, of McCain's selection dominated the headlines, media and Internet chatter yesterday. On a morning, in which Obama's nomination was expected to reach epic media proportions, McCain successfully stole the show. We will see what the implications are by the middle of the week, but if McCain's move halted or limited Obama's bump, then he is in trouble. Historically, Democratic Conventions have yielded a 15-16 point bump in the days after the nomination, yet if Obama's bump is limited and he never breaks the 50% barrier, then he is in deep trouble. This convention represented Obama's last best opportunity for a large bump, one that he never received following the primaries, Hillarys endorsement, his European vacation or announcement of his VP choice. If he cannot meet high expectations for a bump now, he has lost his best opportunity."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html

Tony

Before the Palin announcement, if I were in a red state, I would have probably voted third party to show my unahppiness with the Democrats.

Since the Palin announcement, if I were in a red state, I would vote Democratic to show my total displeasure with the Republican platform even if it had no effect.

Wow Tony the blog scold is after you. How could you be so stupid as to have an independent thought?

You should get on Bry Bry's special mailing list in order not to make these kinds of mistakes.

Isn't it funny how this reformer Palin is now against the Bridge to Nowhere when she was openly for her congressional delegation getting as much pork as possible for the home state?

It's funny how women want to be fully engaged in the political process but any forceful attack is considered sexist.

What needs to be considered sexist is that Palin will do better than Hillary Clinton, not because people like her positions on the issues, but they like her positions in their sexual fantasies. When one of your compliments from the right is that you're hot and you love guns and Jesus, that really is a comfort isn't it?

More outrage from the scold. How odd to hear the scold say Clinton worked for 40 years now when it serves his purpose -during the campaign he denied she had any experience.

The only one trying to use Clinton voters is the blog scold,
demonstrating a lack of confidence is his own candidate's message.

sorry for the double post!! Type Key told me to try again!

George HW Bush added Dan Qualye because he was good looking.

The Republicans know a good visual when they see it.
How sexist of you to say Palin cannot be good looking and conservative and an effective elected office holder. Says more about you.

The one interesting thing about the initial Palin appearance is that in 10 minutes, she completely overshadowed McCain. She's a better public speaker, despite a nasally sounding voice. She is way more comfortable in front of an audience. My immediate thought was that if she were smart, she would push for the top spot and have McCain be her veep.

No matter what anyone says about the genius of the pick, it was a panic move from the candidate who was supposed to make choices that were not political first.

Republicans are much more of the good soldier types than the Democrats but I do wonder how the negative rumblings coming from the Pawlenty and Romney camps will impact McCain going forward...

I ask again, who is most anxious for 2012, Clinton or Romney? Clearly they are heads of the aggrieved portions of their respective parties...

Bear,

"It's funny how women want to be fully engaged in the political process but any forceful attack is considered sexist."

May I suggest that this sentence is as offensive as if I directed something toward you with "you people". You might consider putting the word "some" in front of "women".

I honestly believe that most women entering public life only want to be treated in the same way as their male counterparts. Attack the position not the person.

If you discuss large ankles or a broad behind then you better be saying something about beer bellies and bald heads. Just because a man is forceful, it doesn't make a woman bitchy, and there better not be any "periodic" remarks unless you mention the red convertible for a mid life crisis. Why do men laugh "boisterously" while women "cackle"?

Sock,

She's proven to me core commanding than McCain in one appearance. The problem is that the Republicans have made this election about being ready to lead and competence. They've said that the White House isn't a place for on the job training and yet this pick shows us that either they were lying or they admitted that their entire slate of primary candidates was sub par. Neither should engender confidence on the surface.

From a political perspective, all of her positives clearly highlight McCains negatives...

She's much better with the base than him.
She's better in front of a camera.
She is likeable because of her personality and not her story
If she can be VP, you can't argue Obama isn't ready to lead.

Don't forget, Carter and Bush were both successful governor's who are considered failures on the Presidential stage. Clinton, Reagan and Roosevelt are the only successes I can think of...

It seems to me that if GORDO hated McCain with the same venom he hates his house N#$@# gone good, he would be flogging us to death with this...

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/08/trig-is-not-sarah-palins-baby.html

Seems to me that some people think that Palin faked her pregnancy to cover for her daughter...lol

I just read an article at Politico.com that says "historians" claim that Palin is the lest credentialed candidate on a major party ticket , ever. It goes on to mention other previous choices that may have been dubious and to rationalize where in some cases the tickets won in spite of the selection. Never in the whole article did it mention John Edwards.

Was it sexism or just hyperbole of the moment. Tell the truth, when Kerry announced John Edwards, didn't we all say "Huh?". This is the kind of latent bias that back-fires or breaks-wind. Palin doesn't have to be the best pick or the worst pick. She just have to have an effect those few critical swing states that benefits the ticket.

Utterly Disgusting: Daily Kos today claims Sarah Palin’s fifth child is not hers

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/utterly-disgusting-daily-kos-today-claims-sarah-palins-fifth-child-is-not-hers/

===========================
Palin Smear of the Year: Baby not hers

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/palin_smear_of_the_year_baby_n.html

Jimmy Carter was a very good President of the United States.

His work in the Middle East peace process was remarkable. It is not his fault that Reagan squandered the potential for peace in the region.

Carter correctly identified the urgency of becoming energy independent. If Carter had been re-elected, we would be on a much firmer energy independence today. Ronald Reagan and the GOP again squandered our future.

It is fashionable to trash Carter's White House years, but remember..Conventional Wisdom is often horse manure.

Joan Walsh taking Begala to the woodshed for sexism.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/08/30/begala_palin/index.html?source=newsletter

I don't actually believe that Begala is sexist in the worst sense of the word, but the media males have some very bad habits and we need to rap their knuckles everytime they slip into the gool ol boy gags and sterotypes.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136485

Jamie
Thankyou! That is exactly the point I was trying to make! I agree about Mahar's show and" The Stewardess" joke! I laughed but minutes later I thought sexist! I guess sexism bothers me so much because as a gay man,I have been fighting stereotypes and Homophobia all my life..Thanks again,you are so gifted!!

Kay Bailey Hutchison former cheerleader was considered to be pro choice by the party faithful and not acceptable.

Abortion positions

Hutchison is against outlawing abortion.] She also believes that the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade was appropriate and secures a constitutional right, and that it should not be overturned.

Hutchison is currently considered to be liberal on abortion issues, at least compared to most elected Republicans from Texas. Although she has served on the Advisory Board of The Wish List (Women in the Senate and House) Political Action Committee, which contributes to pro-choice female Republican candidates for Congress, she is no longer on the board and the PAC did not endorse her in 2006.

While in the Texas House of Representatives (1973 to 1977), Hutchison worked to protect rape victims from having their names published with Sarah Weddington, the attorney who won the Roe v. Wade case. She supports some abortion rights, but does not believe taxpayers should fund abortions. .

The Republicans have staked their claim to the far right positions and try to deny advancement to those who do not meet the purity test.

Not an endorsement of the VP pick, though.

Not a reason to exclude

Elizabeth Dole participated in beauty pageants

Bess Myerson another pageant winner who used it to leverage her political career.

Diane Sawyer, Dianne Feinstein both particpated in beauty pageants.

The scold is channeling Sally Quinn,

Attacking Palin is going to be Orwellian. Here's what's going to happen. When Joe Biden says hello to her at the VP debates, Republican surrogates are going to cry "sexism" and then bring up his grilling of Anita Hill as an example of his past "crimes". The media will jump on this and debate it as though it's an actual argument, but it will be false.

So what do you do? You point out all of the issues surrounding Palin. You question her values as associated with Pat Buchanan. You define her by the very qualities that make her appealing to the lunatic right fringe. Yeah, we know that she's inexperienced. But that's not germane. Define her by who she is.

Worth repeating
"I find it offensive as well - especially those bloviators (and some who have made comments here) about the fact that she went to GASP the University of Idaho - you know - (whispers) - a state school!

Well, as a proud product of a medium sized state school (Central Michigan - hence, my onscreen moniker), a big state school for graduate work (Texas A&M) and a city school for law school (Wayne State in Detroit), I think I could handle my own when it comes to intellect. And after being out here in DC and meeting all these people with big fancy Ivy League degrees, I can say for sure that while I'm not the smartest person ever, I'm smarter than many people who went to fancy schools (GWB comes to mind).

Where doe these people get off criticizing her for being "backwoods"? This is verrrrry dangerous for the Obama camp, considering most people in America live in small cities, towns, and rural areas. "

"Define her by who she is"

MD
You got it going on man!! I so agree with your post!!

It is probably very inappropriate, but I love funerals in churches where the congregation is majority black. They take you from somber to celebration perfectly. Talk about well done send offs.

Gustav just hit Cat 4. It could actually make 5 before land fall.

I hope all our trailmixers in its path are getting out of the way and staying safe.

John Edwards was picked because he finished 2nd to Kerry and many people thought for some reason it would be a good ticket...

GORDO, you were slow to the draw today by copying my link. When do we get blog postings from you that Obama has lamp shades made from the skin of Jews or that his pillows are stuffed with the hair of murdered Jews?

If you're going to make Nazi references about Obama, I want your proof that he has systematically murdered millions of people, especially with the Catholic church sitting idly by, not doing anything...

I agree that there is nothing wrong with state schools. Bush has single handedly diminished the quality of both a Harvard and Yale degree.

Aunt Kathy = Uncle Tom

Aunt Kathy is a token woman who seeks to advance herself by kowtowing to the sexist views of those whose favor she curries.

Jamie,

If you can ever get a New Orleans themed funeral, those are the best...followed by a good Irish funeral...of course now that I think about my cousins funeral 4 years ago tomorrow, as sad as we were, we were happy to see each other since our family was scattered 3 continents...

Jamie,

Just read your blog post...I like it a lot!

Jamie,

Yeah, but remember that when I was a kid, I didn't understand why everyone was so happy that my great grandfather had died. It was completely confusing, no matter the explanations from my parents and relatives.

GORDO,

Sorry to see what happened to your brother...I hope your family is equipped to cope...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26466169/

heard a great word on klick n klack this am that's apropos of us here and our parties of choice sometimes: "constult" which means to act stupidly together. listen to ammon shea's interview re "reading the oed" to hear about it and some other useful but fogotten words.
">http://www.onpointradio.org/stand-alone-player/?fileUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bu.edu%2Fwbur%2Fstorage%2F2008%2F08%2Fonpoint_0819_2.mp3&fileTitle=Reading%20the%20OED%20target=_blank>

Bear,

Thank you. I thought it was an interesting angle completely separate from the issues involved.

btw, how 'bout for a moment consider and celebrate what's taken place in the last 2 days: the old white man's most restricted and exclusive club has just been block-busted.

"constult" as explained by klick n klack http://www.cartalk.com/content/read-on/2008/08.30.html

You must have gone to some great school to judge people by their shoes and a personal appearance --who are you Earl Butz?

Stephanie Tubb-Jones deserved every accolade and the Clintons and Obama all did well.

"This woman has no business joining the ranks of our national players. You know that may work on some statewide stages, but not the national stage. I mean come on open toe red high heels? "

She could be some sort of wild political "natural", but your are right that her experience doesn't seem to indicate readiness for the Job, but then on paper neither does Obama's. Commenting on her looks distracts from the actual problem: Her knowledge about and positions on the issues.

Early in the debate series, Sen. Obama came across as definitely not ready for prime time. I remember remarking that he sounded like he had swallowed his briefing book the night before. Today one commentator said, "she will have to study her briefing books and be ready to face questioners".

He took his natural talents and conviction on the issues and really must have hit the books because as the season continued, he steadily improved. She has less than three months before the election so it is very likely that there will be a stumble somewhere along the way.

Democrats can't get stuck in the "open toed red high heels" and hit her hard on her ideas and issues.

"Hillary has spent the last 40 years working for the issues you claim are so important to you"

Then why was she continually degraded on this blog? In sexist terms, too. And don't even dream of saying she wasn't.

" A tad too cult of personality for my taste, a charge so many of you are fond of hurling at us Obama supporters. "

You went beyond personality cult months ago. You're in Jim Jones territory now.

This administration has FINALLY paid attention to an impending natural disaster. Texas and the south are gearing up for Gustav and "the refugees". This time they're going to make BOTH sides of highways one way, finally. One way away from the hurricane..

It'll be interesting to see what the Repub Convention will do when it hits US land on Monday.

The more I think about the Repubs typical MO over decades and their Conservatism, the more Palin appears to be a token. An unabashful token on McBush's part.

tt

nahh....he just believes whatever he "needs" to believe at any given time.......if someone he supported attended Idaho State or wherever it was, he'd be ridiculing anyone who suggested it was less than a stellar school......that's the kind of thing which makes him irrelevant at best.....

Brown will do in a Pinch?

While many Texans have approached me when I was wearing a Brown t-shirt to ask if I had it in red or blue, it's the place where more heads of state send their kids than it's more famous brethren...

Fuck Stanford University. If it weren't for the fact that John McEnroe went there, I would demand that it be labeled a terrorist camp and removed from the face of the earth...

TT, it's not the Bush administration waking up to this natural disaster...it's the Governor's being proactive in their disaster declarations and getting to it instead of waiting. I'm not a Jindal fan but at least he appears to have learned a lesson from Katrina...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdl-wXB9do

McCain's pick of Palin:

1. Showed his central attack against Obama - lack of experience - was completely disingenuous. If McCain thinks Palin is ready to be President - so is Obama. Obama has served for 12 years as an elected official – 8 years in the Illinois Legislature and 4 years in the US Senate - during which he passed legislation with Dick Lugar (R) to secure loose nuclear weapons. He has served on the Foreign Relations Comm. And re: the GOP charge that he has spent a lot of time campaigning - running for President entails being grilled on Foreign Policy and Domestic issues - as well as speaking and listening to the American people about these issues.

2. John McCain - Politics First. He barely knew the woman and had little contact with her before the pick. This was a transparent move to try to attract Clinton supporters - one that very well may backfire.

3. Did nothing to shore up his weakness on the economy.

Jamie --------------------------------

The photo:

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/wife.jpg?w=400&h=273

"Even today, earlier at the Tubbs-Jones funeral didn't you feel a sense of pride at our party elite? You think this woman deserves that sort of role? And boy didn't Obama strike just the right pose and temperment at the memorial? "

Too bad so many Obots swore they'd destroy Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Maxine Waters for DARING to support someone other than Obama.

Patsi,

She will make a lot of fetishist happy this election season...

Warren, I have to disagree with you're third point. As a mother of 5, I am confident that she is 100 times more capable than John or Cindi McCain when it comes to balancing a check book...

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2008/08/25/20080825_230033.htm

Jamie-
Here's the picture from the Drudge archives.

Gidget

Galler: DNC Watch
http://www.miamiherald.com/multimedia-todays-extras/photo-galleries/shared-content/gallery/654999.html?number=1

Well Sock Drawer, that is the event other than the editing that makes it look about three times longer than it was and all the racist comments underneath it and the multiple other versions.

So it is unusable for my purposes since I can't capture a still shot.

You would think after more than a half century of hearing, reading, and seeing the kind of garbage racists can spew that I would stop beein shocked by it, but I still find it nauseating that anyone could be so brainless.

Barack Obama's accidental kiss with Jill Biden has become 'Net sensation

BY CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Updated Thursday, August 28th 2008, 4:52 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/28/2008-08-28_barack_obamas_accidental_kiss_with_jill_.html

It's two days since the kiss and this is the first I heard about.
Must spend more time on the 'net.

Gidget

Thank you. That is what I needed. Now I have to rethink if I want to write the article. Forty years ago, Petula Clark caused was controversial for resting her hand on Harry Belafonte's arm following a duet they sang together.

I actually thought we might finally be past the time when a friendly hug and peck could bring the slugs out from under the rocks.

dog's eye..Don't feel badly about your John Anderson vote.

He was a real gentleman. He was a very principled person.

Thanks watch. That is a nice, clear photo of the right size. Still have to think what I want to write. I may need to get some of the newspaper articles and take another tack with the idea.

"resting her hand on Harry Belafonte's arm "

Harry Belafonte -- hot, hot, hot.

Jamie-

When I was poking around looking for the pic of the two couples, I found some rather disturbing innuendo to outright bigotry regarding the picture and the other accidental kiss.
It made me question how far we had actually come too for a bit....but I've changed my mind....the anoninimty of the 'net is is a bigots last refuge...on the whole, in the real world ,we've come much farther than the WWW might lead you to believe.

~Gidget

perhaps the reaction in press or internet to the picture takes you back a bit.....but you can go many many places right here in SC and encounter outright confederate flag waving racism which would make your brain smoke.......

Rasmussen Daily O +4
On the 23rd it was +3

Helpful hint..Some of you appear to make this blog your major social interaction with other people.
Turn off your computers and go outside. It feels good.
Off to Portland for the evening.

Gidget

I know the anonymous denizens of the web say things that they would never say in public, and simply because they tend to really, really LOUD it would be easy to think they are more numerous than they are. Still, the words couldn't be written if the thought wasn't there and even the milder comments speak about something still lurking under the surface.

It's just for me it is literally painful in the same way that watching someone getting pleasure from injuring a child or animal is painful. I simply don't understand the emotion or conduct. Why in the world would anyone hate another human being for such a trivial matter as the amount of melanin in their skin?

"Bangs went out of fashion for GOP women when Mamie Eisenhower moved out of the White House. "

More fashion advice from a bald guy with bloody tattoos.

Hiding SoetorObama's Past
====================
“They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter told Gabriel Sherman at the New Republic. “The whole Obama narrative is built around the narrative that Obama and [campaign strategist] David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.” The stakes are high. If the full story of Mr. Obama’s relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright had been revealed before the Iowa caucus, he wouldn’t have won.

Aides claim Mr. Obama “has taken voluntary transparency steps” that allow “his constituents, the media and his political opponents to fully examine him.” In reality, anyone questioning the approved story line is liable to be ignored, misled or even bullied. This isn’t what reporters expected when Mr. Obama began campaigning for a “new politics” that would bring honesty and openness to government."

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/fund-obama-should-come-clean-ayers-rezko-auchi/

After your bile against women through this season, you don't deserve to even use the word feminist, Brye.

Gordo

Do us a favor and switch gears to the "Is Palin's youngest child really her child?". The public is demanding DNA tests and COLB and interviews with the bedmate in the hospital. BTW, when she shot that moose was anyone caught in the crossfire? We need a Palin Death List.

Get on that right away would you?

"Is Palin's youngest child really her child?". The public is demanding DNA tests and COLB and interviews with the bedmate in the hospital. BTW, when she shot that moose was anyone caught in the crossfire? We need a Palin Death List.

Posted by: Jamie

Your mother let you out of the house with that mouth?

Jamie ------------------------

Why does SoetorObama needs to "hide" his past? See my 8:23 PM post. If the Repubs have what some of the PUMA researchers believe -- he is looking at a McGovern type loss. And huge down ticket damage for the Dems.

So let me get this straight...

Being a mayor of a small city is more experience that serving in a statewide office for 8 years.

Being a titular head of the national guard, what type of deployments or mobilizations has she overseen?

I know politics doesn't exist in a vacuum but I would shudder to think the vitriol on this pages were the pandering neophyte was from the Clinton camp...

Your Mother

Just trying to get Gordo going on another stupid conspiracy rumor. The old one is getting boring.

Hey GORDO,

I saw the earlier post about your brother? Why would it be necessary to teach the kids how to kill by slaughtering the family cat? The Governor as a life long hunter at least has the stones to hunt something that can fight back...at least we know that chicken shit runs in your family...

If this campaign ever returns to a serious discussion of the issues then this gentleman's opinion will certainly be a fascinating framework of the abortion debate...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/why_an_antiabor.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136584

Gordo put an "if" in this one. Could reality be seeping in?

Jamie-
Love your posts...you're really an optimist! : )
~g

Bear ----------------------------

Upset? The McGovern reference? SoetorObama is a fraud and con man. George McGovern is a good, decent and honest man with a record of accomplishment in the military and politics. SoetorObama is nothing like McGovern. SoetorObama is worse than an "empty suit."

A Reform Ticket
Governor Palin's credentials as an agent of reform exceed Barack Obama's. Mr. Obama rose through the Chicago Democratic machine without a peep of push-back. Alaska's politics are deeply inbred and backed by energy-industry money. Mr. Obama slid past the kind of forces that Mrs. Palin took head on. This is one reason her selection -- despite its campaign risks -- seems to have been so well received by Republicans yesterday. They are looking for a new generation of leaders.

She crossed party lines in 2004 to join a Democratic representative's ethics complaint over an international trade deal against the Republican Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who had ties to the Murkowski machine. Mr. Renkes resigned.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122004983609584755.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooksi

GORDO.,

I don't read shit posts from someone who is a blatant racist and delusional sexist such as you...I don't know how me asking if you condone slaughtering a household pet to teach your kids how to kill ties into George McGovern, but since I've defended McGovern against the likes of you and FryDaddy in the past I won't sweat it...

If Obama wasn't black or a Democrat you wouldn't call him an empty suit.

For those who think Palin's a reformer, it was pretty easy to come out against a corrupt Republican party in Alaska since she wasn't entrenched in it's leadership yet. I think Machiavelli would be proud of her. Do remember that before she was against the Bridge to Nowhere, she was for it and any other pork that could get funneled back to the state coffers...

McCain may postpone convention

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13007.html

Bear------------------------

Are you having a nervous breakdown? Guess you are beginning to face reality -- odds are your con man is going to be "destroyed" by the Repub attack machine.

Why the pet question? Over the years, I have either provided a home or found homes for more than 50 stray cats and dogs.

McCain's going to postpone for as long as he can because until he accepts the nomination, he isn't restricted to the Presidential matching fund budget. The further he goes on primary money, the easier it is for him to stretch the money...

I don't fear any honest fights GORDO, especially with a paranoid, racist, sexist pedophile like you.

"Being a mayor of a small city is more experience that serving in a statewide office for 8 years."

Absolutely, if you are talking about the statewide office being a part time legislator.

"Being a titular head of the national guard, what type of deployments or mobilizations has she overseen?"

Once mobilized and deployed, the national guard has been federalized and is no longer her responsibility.

The guard, when it is not mobilized, falls under the state adjutant general who reports to her. Her day-to-day involvement would be virtually nil. But, should there be some catastrophe such as a tidal wave or earthquake, she owns the guard and can direct it as she sees prudent.

"I know politics doesn't exist in a vacuum but I would shudder to think the vitriol on this pages were the pandering neophyte was from the Clinton camp..."

Bear, I'm not exactly sure what your last sentence means. But, I will say this. Most of the vitriol regarding any of the women candidates in this election season has come from the Obama camp.

That we have this vitriol is a shame because it poisons the process of electing a new government.

Move me with logic and informed opinion, not spewings from the lunatic fringe that seeks to force opinion that is inconsitent with fact.

Bear--------------------------

Seriously, you need HELP! You seem to be having a break-down. Maybe you need to call some sort of hotline and talk about it.

An Alaskan reporter, Gregg Erickson, who has followed Sarah Palin in her 20 months as governor, said that last month she authorized the hunting of wolves from airplanes because she says they are killing the moose, which she proudly kills to make her mooseburgers.

“The Dept. of Fish and Game pulled some ‘wolf cubs’ from their den and shot them as part of a program to improve moose survival.”

She has also taken the polar bear off the endangered species list.

This is the soft, loving mother who has children that she home schools and everyone seems to be talking about. Like many fundamentalist Christians, they only know love when it involves their own. The hell with everything and everyone else. All living creatures are sacred, IMO, not just our own. Shooting animals from an airplane takes a real coward…male or female!

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2008/2008-03-18-01.asp

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Flatus,

Any governor has command of the National Guard only when it comes to some sort of disaster response. Otherwise they operate as any other department within a state government does. When they are called to respond, all they do is give the order and stay in the loop to ensure that they have the appropriate resources. Everyone in the Republican primary was arguing that McCain had more experience than Romney because of his years in the Senate. Using the same reasoning, it is dubious to claim differently for the Governor now.

While Alaska is geographically the largest state, its population is 30% smaller than Rhode Island.

If we are going to prioritize any type of executive experience over legislative experience, than you would have to say Palin has more than Hillary Clinton as well. After all, she practiced as a lawyer for all those years and is just 6 years into her Senate career and so far as I can tell, the one project she ran was a failure.

As for my Bill Clinton litmus test, I would argue with any Republican who hated Bill Clinton and loved W that if the shit objectively looked at a Bush fuckup or success and attached Bill Clinton to it instead, would they feel the same way? Would you let Katrina response slide or the poor handling of Iraq, Afghanistan etc...Most would answer me with either silence or a yah but...apply the same litmus test here.

The biggest problem with all the vitriol is that people won't logic for an argument when they have already decided upon an illogical path.

It doesn't faze me since I am committed to voting against John McCain, regardless of who the nominee was. Even the loudest pro Obama yappers would do the same. If they don't they are voting for emotional and not intellectual reasons.

The frustration Obama people have had with Clinton people is that it was never Clinton's fault that she lost a big lead and funding advantage to Obama. People don't like his tactics against her...they thought he was sexist. Fine, but at least recognize that she was equally as harsh in her rhetoric against him and was in fact much more personal in her derision of him. She thought that her husband would get her the nomination and she got lazy. Had her primary opponent been John McCain, she would have sailed to the nomination easily. She ran into a buzz saw a better run campaign and suffered for it.

GORDO.

I'm fine...though I wonder if the person who held up my cousins restaurant and murdered him for $30 was related to you in some way...you seem to fit that profile...

You are the one with the breakdown issues...you're the one accusing people of being wannabee members of the holocaust... of course when McCain gives a rousing convention speech, he won't be doing his best Goebels now will he?

Do remember that when you finally decided to send and aborted fetus to one of Obama's kids, as I'm sure you are want to do, they will trace it back to you...lol

Bear ------------------------------

Why don't you do a bit of research -- SoetorObama and the corrupt DNC stole the nomination from Hillary. He is illegitimate.

(Possibly in more ways than one.)

"Being a mayor of a small city is more experience that serving in a statewide office for 8 years."

It sure isn't if you're a woman, Bear.

"And he views abortion as an "intrinsic evil.''

Oh great....scream about Palin and link this guy. Oops -- he supports the new Messiah. Forgive me.

Karo -- maybe you could advocate exterminating her -- or start calling her a bitch -- like you did with Hillary Clintonb.

"People don't like his tactics against her...they thought he was sexist. Fine, but at least recognize that she was equally as harsh in her rhetoric against him and was in fact much more personal in her derision of him. She thought that her husband would get her the nomination and she got lazy. "

Sorry Bear -- love you -- but you are completely full of shit.

wft is mccain thinking?

mccain is insane

"Know Enough?" Ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0pC_bpY

As long as we are talking about bangs, I want to ask another irrelevent hair question. Do you think the Gov is wearing a hairpiece? To me, it looks like she is wearing one of those clip on pieces that are sold on Home Shopping Network. Just curious if anyone else has noticed.

Anita Bryant - Till There Was You (1959)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6AxGWyz7ow

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Anita Bryant song showcase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKb-dgdrSs

Phyllis Schlafly Speaks Out, 5-15-08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vExMOKn3Swk

Anita Bryant - "Paper Roses"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53q2wnpZIE

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Anita Bryant - "Mixed Emotions"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6Lpyg-Aww

Hey Craig,

In light of the MSM not pursuing the John Edwards rumor, do you think that they'll pursue the rumor that Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughters?

Had a nice evening and met friends for dinner.
I come back home, check the blog and the same
people are partaking in adolescent games. Some of you didn't take my advice earlier to turn off your computers and go outside. Do it now!

The greatest news of the day is that Seasons 5 6 and 7 of The Mary Tyler Moore Show are finally being released on home DVD! hip hip hurrah!

GORDO,

Sorry to see what happened to your brother...I hope your family is equipped to cope...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26466169/

Posted by: ODROG | August 30, 2008 3:51 PM

Sorry, but THAT was in bad taste !!

Years ago I had terrible day at work. A friend suggested we would feel betterif wewentto the new Mary Tyler Moore movie..It would be peppy and fun.
Unfortunately, it was Ordinary People.

" A tad too cult of personality for my taste, a charge so many of you are fond of hurling at us Obama supporters. "

You went beyond personality cult months ago. You're in Jim Jones territory now.

Posted by: Patsi | August 30, 2008 5:05 PM

That was funny ! A bit mean, but funny...

Gordo

Do us a favor and switch gears to the "Is Palin's youngest child really her child?". The public is demanding DNA tests and COLB and interviews with the bedmate in the hospital. BTW, when she shot that moose was anyone caught in the crossfire? We need a Palin Death List.

Get on that right away would you?

Posted by: Jamie | August 30, 2008 8:57 PM

Also funny !!!

O.D. "Ordinary People" .. omg. that reminds me when I had one of my video parties where a group of us would sit around and watch a video, drink and socialize. I grabbed a new Meryl Streep film. Unfortunately it was "Sophie's Choice"... Afterwards my friends were saying things like "uh, thanks for the nice evening, gotta go now.." We were all terribly depressed.

Must go to bed..Have to get up in 5 hours..good night or day..

I don't fear any honest fights GORDO, especially with a paranoid, racist, sexist pedophile like you.

Posted by: Bear | August 30, 2008 10:50 PM

Bear, someone else posted that cat story. I don't think it had anything to do with GORDO... it was just an anonymous below the belt smear.

Also, I wish you'd remove sexist and pedophile from the descriptions of him. We have no proof that he is "sexist" and really the "pedophile" comment is a totally uncalled for smear.

This is good ! From The Daily Show

John McCain Chooses a Running Mate

with Jon Stewart and female analyst Samantha Bee

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521&title=john-mccain-chooses-a-running

Where the hell is everyone? Please note ... if you're still sleeping you're wasting your life !!! :D

good morning et, i was wondering where everyone was myself.

heheheh, well it's easy for me to say people are wasting their lives because it is 3 pm here in Belgium.

et, we seem to be caught in the twilight zone. have tried to post 4 times now and they've been rejected each time. could be that they were considered to inane for this beautiful sunday am or maybe gustav is interfering with the internet. well, one more cow...i mean one more try.

craig! andrew! anybody! help! eurotom and i are caught in a time warp!

et, maybe cq shuts down early for labor day.

Zogby Poll: Equilibrium in the POTUS Race!
McCain/Palin 47% Obama/Biden 45%...
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

Obama's enablers rise to a new low. Thinks the impending hurricane is proof that "God is on our side"

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Don Fowler Don Fowler Amused by New Orleans Hurricane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

SICK, SICK, SICK! Democrats deserve to lose.

patd and et......posting normal over here.....everyone must be in church.......

(hehyeah, RIGHT.....)

Campaigns Shift as McCain Choice Alters the Race
"And Mrs. Clinton is likely to play an even more active role on behalf of Mr. Obama in the fall campaign, her aides said, because of Ms. Palin. She is expected to participate in television appearances, fund-raisers and conference calls with reporters to rebut efforts by the McCain campaign to court her supporters."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31campaign.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

Good morning all

Not much to say, but I didn't want you to think you were alone if you put out a call for help.

Have a great Sunday. I gotta think of something for the blog.

Also just checking in....my sister is making me work today. Thinks I spend too much time slacking on this blog....ha!

Sarah Palin: conservatives find the girl of their dreams
The Alaskan governor’s family life and political views press the right’s buttons
"When Sarah Palin stepped into the spotlight as John McCain’s running mate in Dayton, Ohio, and promised that women could “shatter that glass ceiling once and for all”, it was an electrifying moment in a presidential election that had already produced its share of upsets and surprises."

"Like his wife, he is able to swap the traditional roles. “My husband loves being a dad as much as I love being a mom,” Palin said. “I’ve got great help there."

".....the woman who Palin upstages most of all is Hillary. If Obama wins the election, Hillary will have to wait until 2016 to stand again. And if he loses, Palin will be first in line to become America’s first woman president. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

republicans with crossed fingers heave a collective sigh of relief as Gustav seems it may prevent the president from attending the convention.....
lol

Now I'm aware that I am a total trivia nut who likes odd facts, but is no one else but me intrigued that the first black man who might be President is from the last state admitted to the Union? I hope it will happen and if it does it will be such a delightful little footnote in the history books.

Oh and if I were on the Obama Team

HI There Lurkers - Craig says you read this stuff

I would go out immediately and buy a copy of Michener's "Hawaii" and read the last chapter called "The Golden Men". That material has some ideas that could work well in a speech about the ending of prejudice and the pulling together the talents of all into a single strong unit to face the future.

It was copyrighted in 1959 It had been four years in preparation and three in writing, and he finished writing it on the day that Congress voted Hawaii into the Union. Two years before Barack Obama was born.

Did anyone watch the Daily Show link re: Palin... I posted the link above...

Re: Palin. Anyone who wants me and folks like me to be second class citizens leaves nothing for me to respect.

ET

Black screen. It wouldn't play

Flatus,
When you posted on Alaska and Palin, you reminded me of something I'd read a while back about Alaskans and how they must use nature and their environment to their benefit. I couldn't find that story, but ran accross this (probably unrelated) but still interesting.

16 Stories on Sarah Palin
http://topics.cnn.com/topics/sarah_palin

Jamie, my school in Bucks County was built on the Michener Farm.

Flatus,

This is a nice short bio on Michener on the web. He was certainly a fascinating man.

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/mic0bio-1

"Re: Palin. Anyone who wants me and folks like me to be second class citizens leaves nothing for me to respect. "

That would include most of the Republican party, Tom. And the Democrats are pretty wimpy too, when it comes to same sex marriage. ESPECIALLY all these new elected officials who are running on conservative value platforms.

The Gift

"You have met “The One”, now meet “The Gift”. Does anyone truly want this man advising the most unqualified Presidential candidate in the history of the United States?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCiuj4KcFTU

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1653

it seems that McCain's head is easily turned by a pretty face.......eh?

apropos of no comment.....just an observation.......

I don't know why all these politicians don't just get themselves off the hook and remove the mention of "marriage" in any form from Federal rules and regulations, and just use some variation of "designated partner" for assignment of rights and benefits.

It's crazy to make people jump through legal hoops just to get the same rights that are automatically extended to married couples without a single question being asked.

Let the religious folk decide who they are willing to marry to each other and get the government totally out of the middle of the argument.

He met the lady only once, I see......that seems a bit odd for a potential running mate for pres and VP.......must have been some kind of "gut instinct" like Stephen Colbert's always talking about......

"Does anyone truly want this man advising the most unqualified Presidential candidate in the history of the United States?"

Yes

While the stupid attacks on Obama continue, I offer some real eye and ear candy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECwMvSxqnA

I Promise Myself...

WOOF, WOW, wooo hooo... Mauro who? Just kidding.

mccain is SO old.......(how old is he??)
He's so old......when he was born, the Dead Sea was still just kind of sickly........

Obama: Running on the Cult of Personality
(Phyllis Schlafly)

"Obama's books reveal him as having the personality of a man embittered by being abandoned by his African father and his unconventional white mother, and who came to believe that race is the issue that trumps all else and must be used for the redistribution of power and wealth. Obama sought out relationships with the socialist-radical Saul Alinsky, the unapologetic bomb-thrower Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground associate Bernardine Dohrn, the Communist poet Frank Marshall Davis, leftwing Muslim-supporting politicians in Kenya, the corrupt political fixer Tony Rezko, and the black-liberation-theology Rev. Jeremiah Wright who preaches hate America and accuses the United States of creating the AIDS virus to kill blacks.

Corsi's book quotes Obama's own words as he established his relationship with these radical characters ...

Maybe ... Mark Penn, had it right when he wrote ... Obama lacks "American roots" and "is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28095

Sturgeone

I realize the age jokes are humorous, but consider them much like the gender ones. One problem the US has is our disrespect for age and wisdom. When you think of what Ben Franklin was up to in his advanced years, it would have been a horrid waste to throw him on the garbage heap.

Of course age doesn't guarantee wisdom. Now that is a reason to slam McCain.

"Did anyone watch the Daily Show link re: Palin... I posted the link above..."

et, thanks, i enjoyed it after a few technical problems encountered along the way.

news reports j mc & sp are checking on the storm prep... anything planned for bo & jb also making photo op stops?

oh well Jamie, watch the eye candy instead of I Promise Myself.... WOO HOO

an old ben franklin would bear no comparison to an old john mccain......and ben was never president.....
I think mccain.....as mccain only.....is much past the age where he could have been an adequate president of the USA......he is running on the POW ticket and the Cult of Sentimentality which has attached itself to him........Reagan at the end of his term would seem to be an example of what can happen when someone is just too damn old for the job.......

"Phyllis Schlafly)"

Ding Dong the witch isn't dead.

The battle of hormones still rages...the glue has sent several hurricanes just in time for the repug convention...this sure is a much more interesting election among the sophmores.

Craig may be one of the few at the convention in Minnesota.

And my favorite line regarding the dem convention...."the dems were effective in airbrushing John Edwards from the convention." Too bad his voice was silenced by his little head.

Hey All
"The selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate has electrified conservative activists, providing a boost of energy to the GOP nominee- in-waiting from a key constituency that had been lukewarm--- at best--- about him"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080831/pl_politico/13016

"Having said that, it really does seem there is something to this trooper stuff ....."

Definitely -- it shows poor judgement on her part. As I already said, if this guy tasered her sister's son, she should have shot him instead of getting him fired.

There are Republicans and Independents on this blog also. It would be nice if the same respect was shown to Senator McCain as you expect everyone to show to Senator Obama. Seems almost every posting today has a snarky remark. Policies yes.
Just saying,

julie

and not electing mccain to the presidency doesnt mean he has to volunteer for the "garbage dump".....he's a US senator, after all......

I wonder how well Obama and Biden know each other. During the primary Obama said in an interview that "a year ago I couldn't even get anyone in the Senate to return my calls."

Dog

Thanks for that site. I've read some of John Cole's material before, but had never been to his blog. I've got it bookmarked now.

sorry Julie, but I don't respect a party that has hatred for gays and lesbians and want to police personal relationships and take away freedoms of choice.

Jamie, thanks for the Michener bio.

Back in the middle 80s, they moved to St Pete onto the Eckerd College campus where the school had tried to establish a retirement colony for superior thinkers. I don't know if that idea ever fully materialized, but for him it didn't make much difference because he soon became seriously afflicted with Alzheimer's.

His wife was his caretaker (from memory) and after she died, he might have been transferred to Texas; I don't recall.

In any case, he was a special individual and we are all better for him.

Chloe, thanks for the Palin links.

Chloe
Thanks for the Times UK link regarding Palin.I found this interesting and surprising. "She opposes same-sex marriage,but one of her first acts in office was to veto a bill blocking health benifits to gay lovers of public employee's"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

Wow.
White House just announced Bush and Cheney are skipping the convention cuz of Gustav.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/bush-and-cheney-skip-convention/?hp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

FD, Fowler is another snake in the grass. It's specifically because of him that I left the Democratic Party. He and Rep Clyburn will have joint rights to that special corner in the Land of Perfidy.

Thanks for the link, Flatus....looks like he was bitten at the dem convention...bandaids on the back of his hand.

Champ: Thanks for the laugh

Hey Braindead,

Can you do McCain a favor and participate on a few other blogs? The more people that hear your 'message', the better.

I'm watching MTP with Brokaw as the host. What an incredibly bad job he's doing. They've got to replace him before it's too late.

"I hope that BO has something more substantial & specific to say about his plans in the coming weeks. I'm still not comfortable with some of his statements and choices, but it now seems I will remain blue."

Blue, I came to that decision a little ahead of you simply because I didn't believe any of McCain's choices looked promising particularly as an alternative to the Democratic platform. I may want more in a Presidential candidate, but I certainly don't want less than I will get in Obama with Biden as a backup.

McCain/Palin is simply unacceptable on several grounds.

Thanks mama, it's about all for which I'm good. That, and proper, yet awkward grammar.

and these days, it is so common to find an intolerant democrat. The party is over, so to speak, and the new iteration sort of sucks.

BW, you most certainly speak the truth.

Todd Palin is great eye candy and part Eskimo (a plus for indigenous Americans). He is an independent and that appeals to me. I also like his moniker, First Dude.

Yep, I like looking at Todd...you bet your BPippy.

Flatus,

The program isn't quite that formal, but the retirement condos are there and still affiliated with the lifelong learning program of the college. Apparently they have become the model for other college connected communities.

http://www.eckerd.edu/positiveaging/Conference%20Track%20Descriptions1/Thriving%20in%20Community.php

Biden, drinking on the job?

"Elect Obama, and THIS guy is but a heartbeat away…"

Joe Biden drunk on campaign trail - NOT a joke video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/biden-drinking-on-the-job/

I want to thank all the most rabid of the Obama supporters, both on this site and across the United States. Including those running the DNC, those in the media and all those in the blogosphere. They've managed to take a life long Democrat, who has been loyal, unquestioning and supportive to the party my whole life and turn me into an Independent.

The first thing I ever heard about the Democrats when I was a kid was that they're the party for the "little guy". Well this election cycle and Barack Obama have changed my mind. But I'm sure they won't care, because they've got their new coalition. We were told repeatedly that they don't need the working class anymore throughout the primary. And I have a long memory.

I was going to sit out this election. Not now. When Obama disrespected Hillary by not even considering her for vp, that was the beginning. When McCain chose Palin, I see that as the respect that Obama wasn't man enough to show.

I like Palin. She's 'real' - something I haven't seen in a politician in a long, long time (since Bill). I've thought for a long time that our Government needs a woman's perspective added the the mix. After all, over half the population are women. The way I see it, when McCain chose a woman, he showed respect to women and showed us he was listening. I will continue to learn more about her, but have already made up my mind. I will now vote in November. And I'm taking a stand against the Howard and the DNC, a fixed primary, and a media that tries to decide the election. And misogyny.

If Obama wins, fine. But I don't think he will change anything about Marriage, Abortion or any of the other things we all believe in. And, I, unlike some others, don't have to hate the opponent in order to vote for my choice. All the ugly, personal attacks mean very little to me, except to tell me something about the person making them.

So, McCain/Palin '08!
And for everyone doesn't like it, tough!

The Drunk: Joe Biden drunk singing gaffe Obama vice president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ&feature=related

Threadilicious

Today on Blistersyeahbutchannel

The Obamaway -or no way. The importance of shutting down speech and name calling as it relates to saving democracy.

You're a sick person.
But then, that's ok. Because, once again Knothead, I won't be reading anything you say anyway,

If anyone had bothered to read Chloe's post, she does not blame Obama supporters for her choice. She blames Obama.
But typically the response is to the argument you want to make
not the one Chloe made.

"All the ugly, personal attacks mean very little to me, except to tell me something about the person making them." Chloe

Revenge Voting

"I’m going to be blunt: John McCain respects women, Obama does not. This can be taken as a purely political comment from a pro-Hillary activist. But I can say this from the vantage point of male privilege: I know that weak men fear strong women.

I knew that Obama benefited from and encouraged the misogynistic narrative against Hillary. However, McCain’s nod to Hillary’s voters was exactly what Obama should have done but for which he is psychologically incapable.

Obama’s narcissistic drive for power unleashed a politics so ugly that millions of committed progressives are seriously considering voting for his opponent. Palin is McCain’s love letter to Hillary’s supporters. Revenge is a bitch, baby."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/31/revenge-voting/

Ah Chloe,

Enjoy your new friends over at the GOP. Can you do me a favor? Send my about 33% of your next check. The GOP doesn't believe you deserve to earn the same as me, so you might as well send it to me because I'm a married man, and you know that count more than your needs, family values and all. Oh yeah, let me know when you go to your OB this year. I'd like to tell you, since it's up to me according to the GOP, what medical procedures you should have and which ones you should skip. It's all about my beliefs, so you should listen to me and I have a right to tell you about your body. And by the way, since the GOP doesn't believe in science and only believes in a fraud called "Intelligent Design" which is on par with "jumbo shrimp", I hope you know that you as a woman are the cause of everything evil in this world because you tempted Adam with the apple. So to wrap up, the McCain/Palin ticket wants you to be poorer, have a hand in your body, let you die because of a non belief in science and you're damned anyway because of Eve. Have a great time with them!

Remember what SoetorObama did in public? His hand and fingers. Remember?

McCain the risk taker...

I think McCain's pick of Palin shows what a risk he will be as Commander in Chief. I don't want a President that - goes with his gut in making use of force decisions instead of relying on careful planning. This is exactly what was wrong with Bush's Foreign Policy.

Moreover, McCain has already made clear what his gut thinks in terms of Iran and Russia. He sang: "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" and said he looked into Putin's eyes and saw "K-G-B". Do you think that electing a President who has already been banging the war drum leaves any room for diplomacy? More precisely, any room for diplomacy that has even the slightest chance of success?

And what is the other option: War.

One of my primary reasons for supporting Obama has been Foreign Policy. Even if you believe that having direct talks with hostile dictators has no chance of success - it at least has a chance of galvanizing international support and getting a true coalition to take action - instead of the US going it alone. And lets not forget that direct talks is exactly what improved the situation in North Korea.

It also increases American credibility on the world stage and sets an important precedent for any other world power that may seek to use force against other nation.

Indeed, our actions in Iraq undermine our position in telling Russia that it should not seek "regime change" - a word we coined - in Georgia.

Electing Obama will be a clean break from the Bush Administration. Electing McCain will simply be writing the next chapter.

The eloquence of Barack the Prevaricator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYc7QsWLhrA

chloe: you are welcome to support whomever you like. You are an American

That 's so special you are giving her permission to support whomever she likes and then questioning whether she is an American. No wonder she doesn't read your posts or the other rabid Obama supporters either.

Sarah Palin tops the Sunday shows

"It was hard to keep track of how many Republicans on Sunday morning referred to Gov. Sarah Palin as “commander in chief” of the Alaska National Guard.

But no matter who was talking across the airwaves, it was all about Palin on Sunday.

There was scant analysis of Barack Obama’s historic speech ..."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13021.html

To be fair - the GOP does not "want" woman to earn less than men - it simply favors leaving these decisions to the private sector - a policy that has led to the current imbalance.

I think Obama said it best when he characterized the GOP's "ownership society" as - being on your own.

Gordo:

Obama's speech reached millions. Including a ton of Independent voters and undecideds. And those are the ones that will make a difference in the Fall.

Many of the people watching the Sunday moring shows have already made up their minds.

Warren -------------------------

Just how much "bounch" in the polls did SoetorObama receive from the Goebbels/Riefenstahl extravaganza?

sock drawer,

Thanks so much for your support.
I can't tell you how good it feels to be on the other side of the "Trash Mouths".

I've never understood such hate. They're just as bad as racists. If you don't think like them, if you go to a different church, or if you have different beliefs, if you're the wrong color or the wrong gender, whatever, then they act as though you're dangerous and they will try to destroy you, hurt you, get rid of you.

But then of course, all I have to do is not look at the posts or turn off the computer. Poof. Them and their hate is gone.

What's the bounce?

"If someone wants respect julie he should give respect."

hmm, that's odd coming from someone who himself and who's candidate gave miniscule if any respect to over 52% of his party.

and continues to do so.

"When Obama disrespected Hillary by not even considering her for vp, that was the beginning. When McCain chose Palin, I see that as the respect that Obama wasn't man enough to show."

You gota love Chloe

Dog

That article is why I have maintained from the beginning that the PUMA coalition was a Republican front. Now that info has come out that the 527 was organized three days before Clinton resigned and that the lead person had only made one political contribution of $500 to McCain, that is pretty well proven. It may have attracted a few angry women and some of the sites that initially affiliated with it may have been Democratic, but I doubt that those numbers will hold up in November.

How any woman who favored Hillary could turn around and vote for McCain/Palin is completely nonsensical. That's a little like saying "If I can't have an ice cream sundae, I'm going to stamp my feet and demand spoiled liver instead".

It's funny that the Uber-left in here ridicules the religious right, while at the same time pursuing an agenda with such fervor it must seem to them they are doing the Lord's work.

"If I can't have an ice cream sundae, I'm going to stamp my feet and demand spoiled liver instead".

~~~with hot fudge, whipped cream and a cherry on top who'll no the difference~~~

Champ

I would say that about the only thing most people don't care for about the religious right is that they want to impose their beliefs on everyone else. For people who believe supposedly in "freedom" they seem to have a problem with other people being free to not agree with them.

Gallup - O +6 down from 8 day before
Rasmussen ) +3 same as night before convention

I was watching Obama on the stump with Biden and it hit me that O is a very inarticulate man when he doesn't have a script..he needs to enunciate clearly, stop saing gunna over and over again.

I had noticed during the debates that he stumbles. He does read a speech well I think.

Of course McCain makes O seem like Winston Churchill.

What a lousy choice..

What some of you seem to miss is that Hillary's electoral strength included being able to draw moderate to conservative voters who are attracted to the Clinton experience and the Clinton economy.

In order to win, Democrats need those votes.

It is fashionable on this blog for some Obama supporters to poke fun at middle America, ridiculing people who are essential to a Democratic victory.

Some of Obama's supporters threaten his candidacy with their ridicule. They are the main reason Republicans have been so successful in Presidential elections.

Chloe has always been honest and doesn't need any accolades from the fervent right wing of the "New Democratic Party"

I don't believe anyone has brought this up; but the first thing that jumped into my mind was Palin, the mother of a 4 month old downs syndrome baby -- Who is taking care of this -- around the clock, 24/7 care of a baby with very special needs? I'm sorry, I admire her decision to have a fifth child and to carry this (mentally and physically handicapped) child to term. But I believe her responsibilities are with this child -- not running for a very high level high demanding political office such as Vice President. You make your bed -- you lie in it. AND there is no way -- in my mind -- that she has anywhere the experience and would not be capable of taking over if need be the Presidency of the United States. Bad decision by McCain.

Posted by: theresa43 | August 31, 2008 3:25 PM

Her husband takes care of the baby because they have an equal marriage

Historically 15-16 point bump
=====================
"The announcement, and genius behind the announcement, of McCain's selection dominated the headlines, media and Internet chatter yesterday. On a morning, in which Obama's nomination was expected to reach epic media proportions, McCain successfully stole the show. We will see what the implications are by the middle of the week, but if McCain's move halted or limited Obama's bump, then he is in trouble. Historically, Democratic Conventions have yielded a 15-16 point bump in the days after the nomination, yet if Obama's bump is limited and he never breaks the 50% barrier, then he is in deep trouble. This convention represented Obama's last best opportunity for a large bump, one that he never received following the primaries, Hillarys endorsement, his European vacation or announcement of his VP choice. If he cannot meet high expectations for a bump now, he has lost his best opportunity."

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.htm

CNN’s John Roberts: Palin Might Neglect Her Disabled Infant?
NewsBusters ^ | August 29, 2008 | Matthew Balan

Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 1:34:27 PM by Zakeet

CNN’s John Roberts, after briefly alluding to the issue of Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s experience he called into question earlier on Friday’s "Newsroom" program, asked correspondent Dana Bash about how the Alaska governor’s newborn son with Down’s syndrome might be affected if she were elected: "There's also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome.... Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?"

Bash deftly answered this question, which has the implication that Palin could neglect her infant son, and made a possible counter-argument the McCain camp would use, that a question like Roberts’ would be sexist: "That's a very good question, and I guess -- my guess is that, perhaps, the line inside the McCain campaign would be, if it were a man being picked who also had a baby, but -- you know, four months ago with Down's Syndrome, would you ask the same question?"

Double standard and asking the question demonstrates a lack of understanding of the pro-life position.

Use this for the 3:30 PM post:

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html

Palin is certainly not my cup of tea, but some of the comments here about her youngest child are sexist and simply unworthy.

Chloe, I'm in your corner; you don't need anyone's approval to make-up your own mind in your own way.

I had an associate who used to tell women voters that their husbands weren't allowed to be in the voting booth with them, and that they would have no access to their ballots. Then she would ask for their votes. She never lost an election.

Jamie, I for one liked "Party Unity My Ass' because it expressed exactly how I felt.

"Take responsibility for your own choice and actions, PUMA darlin'."

What a garbage post. Chloe ain't your "darlin'" sweetie.

The threads just write themselves

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Choice is your right as long as you choose right.

Thanks everyone.

This has been hilarious.
I feel like I dropped a hand grenade into the middle of Trail mix, and then watched everyone go crazy.

What a joke. I am going to vote for the persons I want to vote for, and I get accused of ruining the world. I didn't realize how powerful I was.

This has been really fun to watch.

"Chloe, I'm in your corner; you don't need anyone's approval to make-up your own mind in your own way."

Add me to the list Flatus

Why don't you ask Colbert I King if he'd be admonishing blacks who voted McCain or left the party because superdelegates and skewed rules put Hillary in the driver's seat? I think he'd be saying, "We told you what we'd do."

Chloe, do what you do and you could possibly save the world.

Thanks Patsi. I ain't no Puma either.
But whatever floats her boat.
There's nothing she could possibly say that would bother me.

Flatus

The whole way PUMA was sold was as a protest vote against the DNC. That was appealing. I'm in favor or just about anything that would give Pelosi and Dean a well deserved figurative "black eye".

What I could never understand was that if you supported HIllary Clinton and agreed with her position on issues, how could you switch to a party that was 180 degrees away from those positions.

Now if they had said, protest vote a third party or where possible do a write in, it would have made sense, but the whole focus was to push people to McCain which made no sense whatsoever.

"I've never understood such hate. They're just as bad as racists. "

Worse. They are the fundamentalists of the New Church of Obama. And they will damn you to hell for not being a believer.

Well, dog -- maybe now you know how I feel about Obama's lack of credentials to be POTUS. Exactly the way you feel about Sarah Palin.

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Patsi is still contributing her finest bitch commentary - everyone is good at something.

everyone is good at something.
Not true! Look at the Life of Bry Bry

Patsi perfected the language of bitch - she is a professional. She gives nice gin drinking cigarette toking white trash a bad name.

The first minute highlights the "Brilliant Harvard educated Obama" who will go down in history as "Obama the know nothing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMsmMp_jCE&feature=related

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Patsi - pick a line to quote - then bitch - and repeat process

Anyone else read Safire this morning?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31safire.html?ref=opinion
'The Audacity of Hype'

Between knothead postings and infantile responses to knothead postings, there isn't much to read today.
Have a nice day.

Chloe
"I'm in your corner, and you don't need anyone's approval to make- up your own mind in your own way"
Flatus said this well and I so totally agree.Chloe, I agree with your post regarding the Democratic party and taking a stand by becoming an Independent!! It took me a while to decide to give Obama my vote and when I did you always showed me respect and never slamed me for my choice.I will afford you the same respect and I look forward to hearing your thoughts in the future about this Presidential election!!! Please keep all those wonderful links coming,you are a wonderful poster and member here at TM....

Maureen Dowd is the only journalist I can think of who is paid to ingest LSD several times a week and write about the trip.

Oh Lard
Laughing hysterically!!

If you are known by the company you keep, this buddy of Putin's is not a great recommendation

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-europe/20080831/Russia.Web.Site.Owner.Killed/

Well Patsi,

It looks like you will get your way and have a McCain presidency to act as a backdrop for Clinton's run in 2012. If this campaign is any indication, she will lose, this time to the "underqualified Palin" who will be able to boast 4 years of being "almost commander in chief" to trump Hillary's First Lady experience.

My only regret is that I am not in any way connected to our oligarchy because I can just see the billions of additional dollars they will be able to fleece from hard working tax payers who are stupid enough to think that most Republicans or Democrats in power care about them.

The Supreme court will go from 5-4 to 7-2 on most issues before it so when they mandage prayer in schools and codify the inequality of gays in this country, I'll just laugh at the fomenting religious war which should erupt. Fortunately, there are enough blacks with major wealth that they won't care when they are redistricted into permanent second class citizen status...at least they will be forever ahead of women who will realize the government is telling them what they must do with their bodies.

I noticed that a couple of Russian soldiers were killed in a bombing in Chechnya today...anyone what type of connections there is with Chechnya and Georgia?

See Patsi, it's all your fault:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136862

Bear never fails to throw the race bait!

I saw someone earlier that someone was outraged that this Hurricane is a gift from God for the Democrats...those who think that are idiots...it's the biggest gift for McCain for the following reasons:

1. Neither Bush nor Cheney will go to the convention.
2. McCain gets plenty of opportunities to be pretend President by getting invited to the affected states by their Republican governors.
3. He gets plenty of free air time on the networks talking about changes to his convention.
4. Storm comes at a time to distract the media from vetting his running mate.
5. Removes Obama from any hint of news coverage and blunts any of the truth squad attempts during the Republican convention.
6. McCain response to Gustav will be compared to Katrina and even though Bush was in Arizona, giving McCain a cake when the storm hit, all he needs to do is keep a pulse and he will appear to have done far better this time.

Grow up...

I'm not throwing in race bait...I'm saying no matter how bad it gets for minorities, unless you are rich, at least we'll have it better than women who will now have the government tell them what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.

Perhaps you should reread what I said and not what you think I did...

This election stopped being about rational ideas months ago. Some will argue that if this were Bill Clinton running for his first term we wouldn't be here. I agree. Some will claim that race is the reason, others won't

You look at people who were considered light weights when they ran, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, the white guys certainly caught a lot less crap for it.

Bear

Chechnya and Georgia are two different situations even though they are close geographically.

Readers Digest Version: In Georgia there is are two sections that wants to split off and stay part of Russia. In Chechnya there is a rebel group (principally moslem) that wants to split off from Russia. The local Checknyans are caught between the two warring factions (Russia and Rebels) and have been severly injured, the worst being that horrid school bombing. Major thing to consider, Chechnya has lots of oil and natural gas.

This article on Chechnya is two years old, but has a lot of good background info.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3293441.stm

Also,

I am always going to speak from my own perspective...as a Haitian, first gen American. I wouldn't expect Patsi, or Jamie to look at the issues as a woman would or our gay brethren to do the same.

You'll notice "grow up" the amount of passion that comes from people who are voicing their opinions instead of being muckrakers. Those with true passion don't change their names because they are afraid of having an unpopular idea attached to their name.

You tell me grow UP? I'm rubber and you're glue...lol

Thanks for the info Jamie,

I can't help but think that the Russians will tie the two together to justify a complete take over of Georgia...I expect this to occur around Columbus Day...

Flatus,

When it comes to Pelosi...she's as useful as tits on a bull...
She couldn't have been a good subliminal message during Hillary's run...

Bear,

You may not be too far off in your analysis simply because the European Union has been pressuring Russia to tend to the Chechnyan refugess that have been fleeing to parts of the Union. There is a great deal of negotiating going on.

I don't have a clue as yet as to whether Cheney and cohorts actually pushed on Georgia to start problems, but I don't put anything past these old Cold War types who want a new hot cold war.

Bear

Here is a current article on the EU/Russian conflict over Chechnya refugees.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/06/09/russia19059.htm

"... Cheney and cohorts actually pushed on Georgia to start problems ..."

YES ! That's been known in what you call tin-foil world -- from the beginning.

Because Obama, did not pick the best possible running mate. Because Obama, couldn't stand to see HRC,in office. Because The DNC, made back-room deals, Because they threw The Clintons under the bus. Because they told women, it doesn't matter, who you think is better. And because they let CNN, and MSNBC, talk to her and about her, like she was trash under their feet. And Because Sen. McCain, has picked, Palin, giving women, hope that they too matter, and will be respected. Those are the reasons, I will vote in Nov. for The Unity Party of McCain\Palin.

Gordo

You really must learn the difference between suspected and proven.

"It took me a while to decide to give Obama my vote and when I did you always showed me respect and never slamed me for my choice."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136854

Hey Tony,
Of course. I will always treat you with respect. I adore you.
I couldn't care less who anyone else is voting for.
I never have and never will judge people for their political beliefs or any other personal beliefs they have

I respect yours and every ones else's choice and don't expect anyone else to agree with me.

I probably shouldn't have shared it, but I made a decision and felt the need to stand up for what I believe in. That sure doesn't mean I expect anyone else to agree with me.

I can honestly say that I see both sides on this election. I respect everyone's opinion, whatever it is. And I am not interested in convincing anyone to do anything.

"Flatus that's Frank Rich's take not mine, though I do agree with it, and you're an idiot."

Oh, phooey, you sound just like Stinky.

Sorry about the misattribution. If you had bothered using quotes I wouldn't have thought it was your original work. But, I should have know--it was more than a sentence long and was fairly well written.

They have the proof -- you just don't have a clue.

Wow, listen to Bobby Jindal: "We could see flooding even worse than we saw in Hurricane Katrina," Jindal said Saturday after talking with forecasters at the National Hurricane Center. "This is a very dangerous storm."

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1220161408139690.xml&coll=1

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136897

Great post from where I am presently sitting Lampe.

I checked all warning at 3:00 A.M. today and they all said Gustav would reach landfall as a cat-1. At noon the warnings called for a cat-3 landfall. Huge.

"Forgive me Flatus..."

Noted

Rita,

The obots wouldn't know an honest opinion if it slapped them in the teeth, that's the way it is with idol worshippers. Whatever her personal beliefs may be, and I am firmly at the other end of the spectrum, she takes on corruption and makes things work, in other words she has guts.

Here is how Palin takes on corruption...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26486063/

Sought federal help in 2006
She didn't talk that way when she was running for governor. The Anchorage Daily News quoted her on Oct. 22, 2006, as saying yes, she would continue state funding for the bridge because she wanted swift action on infrastructure projects. "The window is now while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist," she said.

This is a New Orleans newspapers LONG story on Gustav

Gustav takes aim
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1220161408139690.xml&coll=1

Oh Rita, you're so part of the bitterati. Just let it go. Take a deep breath. Democrats are united now. Obama is winning women at a great rate than Kerry did. It's okay. Losing the Latino vote? According to what poll on what planet? Losing the Catholic vote? Where Rita?

You're angry, but we'll work you through it. Anger is an irrational emotion and so we'll bring you back to sanity. Come back to us, Rita. No need to spend your life pissed. I'll even send you an Obama t-shirt to help you get through it.

My biggest problem with the arguments that have raged on this blog since the start of the campaign is the notion that only Obama supporters are "cultists".

I've never had a specific horse in this race, though I have been drawn to Obama. I was far more passionate for Bill Clinton. I will always consider him the best president of my lifetime...does that make me a cultist?

Supporters of Obama are not the only people who have been irrational in exuberance over the candidate of their choice. I have always been curious about why supporters of H. Clinton would support someone who is a polar opposite to their ideological beliefs. When Obama supporters sad the same about the prospects of voting for Clinton in the general, I would doubly confused.

I can understand the attraction of voting for the 1st whatever. But my political beliefs would never let me vote for Alan Keyes or a J.C. Watts as President.

If you're a woman and you are comfortable voting for a ticket who run completely opposite of your beliefs, especially on the issues that are supposed to affect women.

My question is, how strong were those beliefs to begin with and what was is that allowed you to cast a vote that would ultimately not serve what you thought your best interests were at the start of the campaign?

This is what happens when you suck up to George W. Bush after winning an Olympic Gold medal...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26487301/

Gordo

The GREAT THEY always has the proof. Of course you haven't seen it and the GREAT THEY hasn't produced it, but you BELIEVE. Oh my do you BELIEVE.

It's probably very peaceful to live in a no logic allowed zone.

Bear; 6:32 pm....... You don't seriously expect me to buy into anything related by msnbc do you? The left's answer the the right's Faux news......................

Mr. Democrat; 6:38 pm..................... Spare me, PLEASE........................

Rita

Bear; 6:40 pm....... I 'm going to assume that you were referring to me in that statement, but if you had read my earlier post, nowhere did I say I was going to vote for her. I just get a kick out of the intestinal fortitude that creates a situation like this..............................................

Rita

While I'm here moaning our imminent election destruction again ...........

Flatus; 5:51 pm.................How very right you are, Pelosi's a TRUE democrats nemesis............................................

Lampe; 6:13 pm...................................... That's what I said, STUPID Obama and bitch...................

Rita

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-in-denver-looking-back.html#comment-136907
"Why do you care??

Rita,
I don't care. I just said those things for myself, nobody else. It just felt good to make up mind. Sarah helped do that.

See the lonely pissed off ladies, looking for attention on a blog - past the time of reproducing and earning an income (female rights not important) - close to death (no time to stay around a see any real change) -hope is a dream they gave up on years ago and now death is knocking at their door - but they hang on with amazing strength to typed words on a screen gathering snippets of attention -that makes them feel alive again- that is all they have left.

Sell hope to the hopeful.

"It looks like you will get your way and have a McCain presidency to act as a backdrop for Clinton's run in 2012. "

Bear, I don't have to want to see McCain in office to dislike Obama, tool of telecommunications. I disliked the way he hung "old style politics" on Hillary while practicing them.

And whatever I do in the ballot box makes no difference in Tennessee.

BTW.....Anyone who watched the Bill Maher(one of my favorites)show the other night, correct me if I'm wrong, but he certainly toned down his criticisms when his roving reporter came in and showed the tape of the place that the NEW Democratic Party ceded to the protesters. Between that and Ms Pelosi bugging Cindy Sheehan's phone(shades of Nixon) it looks to me like this candidate and company are the ones that are "more of the same(Bush, Cheney)". Obot did vote for FISA, did he not?................................................

Rita

Bob Barr on CNN commenting that Sarah Palin wasn't vetted closely enough and the Republicans may come to regret making a decision too rapidly in order to keep it a secret.

Of course he is the Libertarian party candidate.

If there are any real Hillary Clinton supporters considering not voting for Obama, may I suggest that you might be happier philosophically at one of the following:

Bob Barr - Libertarian

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/?s0820

Cynthia McKinney - Green

http://mckinney2008.com/PRESIDENT/

At least this way you wouldn't be totally betraying everything Hillary stands for.

Don't worry Patsi nothing you do makes a difference in Tennessee.

Jamie ----------------------

How do you know what proof was offered? But of course, you know everything because you watch MSM. Right! MSM is the source of all knowledge.

You refuse to believe that SoetorObama is hiding his past. You accept the silence by almost all MSM as proof that there is no "hidden" past.

Do you consider the New Republic and Politico.com to be tin-foil publications?
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“They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter told Gabriel Sherman at the New Republic. “The whole Obama narrative is built around the narrative that Obama and [campaign strategist] David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.” The stakes are high. If the full story of Mr. Obama’s relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright had been revealed before the Iowa caucus, he wouldn’t have won.

Aides claim Mr. Obama “has taken voluntary transparency steps” that allow “his constituents, the media and his political opponents to fully examine him.” In reality, anyone questioning the approved story line is liable to be ignored, misled or even bullied. This isn’t what reporters expected when Mr. Obama began campaigning for a “new politics” that would bring honesty and openness to government.

Walking the rows of media outlets at the Denver convention, I had no trouble finding reporters who complained the campaign was secretive and evasive. Ben Smith of Politico.com has written about Team Obama’s “pattern of rarely volunteering information or documents, even when relatively innocuous.”

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/fund-obama-should-come-clean-ayers-rezko-auchi/

The complete ugliness of the O-bots on here is too much. Sweet Jeezus. Fundamentalist mentalities.

"New Republic and Politico.com "

Far Right with good news articles and some coconut opinion commentators and and completely wacko readers.

Patsi either get drunk or go away - you are boring when you whine on and on and on. You said your vote did not matter, no purpose left in continual bitching is there?

Just ignore Patsi and anyone else who's a pain in the ass. After all, this is the internet and YOU are in charge of your online experience. On the other hand, if ya wanna be aggravated, keep reading it.

Anyone heard from Craig?

Is he here or there?

tt

Jamie -----------------------------------

"New Republic and Politico.com "

Far Right with good news articles and some coconut opinion commentators and and completely wacko readers.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 31, 2008 7:54 PM
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The New Republic

"The New Republic (TNR) is an American magazine of politics and the arts. It is published biweekly and has a circulation of approximately 60,000. The editor-in-chief is Martin Peretz and the current editor is Franklin Foer. Politically, the magazine generally supports center-left, liberal policies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic

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Are you saying Politico.com is Far Right ?

" An Open Letter to God, from Michael Moore*

Sunday, August 31st, 2008"

http://patterns2.blogspot.com/

tt

Good 'n Mad's Great Obama Button Shout out.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QBY8oYqDqw

Patsi
Wonderful as always!! Love reading you!

Gordo

You mention The New Republic and Politico.com and then post a link to "The Real Barack Obama" which was a Wall STreet Journal article that we all read.

No big secrets there other than that he was a designer candidate groomed for election and fast climb up the political ladder ... no mystery and no conspiracy.

It would be helpful if you linked to actual articles rather than slanted commentary on articles. The New Republic and Politico are good reading and often offer insight, but again commentary about those articles is not proof.

Believe anything you want, whatever makes you happy.

tonyb39 - you love anything that breathes.

gusher
Thanks! You remind me of someone!! UMM

Alaska GOP-ers have frosty reaction to Palin pick

State Senate President Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to tell her the news.

"She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/

Trig needs his mommy! Someone tell her.

Tony and Patsi, I hope neither one of you listens to rude commenter s making personal attacks. I think that what we're seeing as many people is just really one or two people (using different names) spreading the hate. It can be overwhelming at times.

So Patsi,

Help me understand. Is it that he said he was against using old politics, but used them to effectively defeat Clinton?

Had he not made that claim but acted similarly, would that still raise your ire?

Obama supporters are religious fundamentalists? Only if the church is Democratic party values...lol If you wish to claim Obama is guilty of hypocrisy, that's fine. You cannot make those claims and not recognize that Hillary Clinton's campaign was being equally hypocritical. How can you be ready to lead from day one when you can't run your own campaign or even anticipate that the only thing Obama would do to beat you...namely get the black vote, was inevitable?

Another item being obscured by Gustav...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GEORGIA_RUSSIA?SITE=OKTUL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Rita,

That Palin flip flop story was an AP article reprinted by MSNBC. Perhaps this link from google news will be easier for you to read...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h1HWeeFRLRyGcNH4UYtN1sLp51EgD92TF3BG1

Jamie ------------------------

Trying to wiggle out of what you posted? Sure you are -- you do that a lot. Why don't you just admit that you were confused?

The problem for people who think they "know it all" is that they often don't feel a need to do any research. Remember when you posted that Stanley Ann Soetoro rushed from Indonesia to Hawaii to give birth to Barry/Barack's half-sister? Wanted her to be born on US soil. If you had even the most basic knowledge of SoetorObama's life, you would not have made that mistake. I've been researching SoetorObama for more than a year -- he does have a "hidden" past.

If the Obama camp needs to pander to Scranton, a staunchly democratic stronghold, they must not be too confident with their chances in PA. Biden sure is right about one thing though, you can't ever get rid of the Scranton in you. Doesn't stop us all from trying.

"Who was left out ?"

Dog eyes view-Posting under multiple names. Constant lecturing and accusations.

Chloe is your halo on tonight? You do not acknowledge the absurdity in your own declarations, do you?

Who was left out ?

Posted by: ops attract | August 31, 2008 8:52 PM

Everyone who agrees with you.

Dog eye view ? I never see that name.

who would agree with me?

Champ
Your right again!! I like your record..........

Champ - what is your record?

tig mommy too busy 4 tig

Tig wants to know why Mommy doesn't want to be a Mommy to me?

Am I not worth it? I am only 4 months old and I have serious health issues, all Mommy wants to do is run around with an old guy.

Family values?

Re: Palin's daughter:

Would she get your vote if she had it aborted? No? You'd find some other irrelevant reason to dismiss her? Ahhhhh, I see how it works now...

Family values?

Posted by: mommyneeded | August 31, 2008 9:49 PM

You have got to be fucking kidding. You guys are despicable.

Tig says I want my mommy - but I don't know who she is.

Doesn't bother me either way...if it's true at least she didn't kick her daughter out like a lot of bible thumpers would do...

Hell if it were a Muslim country, the girl would be shot and burried alive.

Champ you obviously have no family of your own.

It looks like Republican's don't like Clinton voters getting pandered to more than them...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/default.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpmW68VnaE&feature=rec-fresh

Actually I do have a family, "mommyneeded", If I had them aborted would I be able to join your little club, you duplicitous fuck?

Your blog has become quite the sewer since Palin's selection, Craig. I smell fear. I apologize to you Mr. Crawford, for having to use profanity, but I find it much less offensive than the implications being made by some of the more ardent, supposed "Liberals" here. I'm out of this cesspool for the night, I'll be back when some of the more considerate and respectful participants clean the joint up.

Why so angry Champ-thing? Tig just wants to know why Mommy is too busy to help me in my early months of life?

Why is politics more important than me (tig)?

I don't think Champ-thing knows the current un-vetted controversy.

Champ-thing very unstable.

champ, you are beginig to see the vitriol that these same bogers heaped on hillary. despicable is too nice

Some have a sophomoric need to be popular - and no balls to be themselves regardless of consequences.

Except Patsi - She found out a long time ago (decades) how to be disliked, and she loves it.

Gordo is a big winner today
People posting today have made him look brilliant and focused on issues.

Well if it ends up that my sister is my mother I will be happy. -Tig

"Gordo is a big winner today"

Trail Mix must be proud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMc1LOXNxJc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFQqW_cV0WA&feature=related

Champ; 10:12 pm......... Why on earth would you apologize for calling a spade, a spade........

I have been rude sometimes myself, on this blog, but not deliberately or duplicitously the way the NEW party does it.

That's the age thing, punks don't know the meaning of the word "respect", for themselves or anyone else. It comes from blogging or texting continuously and never having a face to face conversation at which point their wounding vocabulary would desert them and they would be lost as is the art of conversation, debate and discussion especially with people(and I use the term loosely)like these who are so indoctrinated, they can't stand the idea of anyone else having a free thought.....................

Rita

Rita you are so much better than everyone else - except Chloe.

You must be very proud.

(however, sometime when talking to "old" people they just do not understand what certain words mean )

Speaking of NEW party politics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have always liked Michael Moore's movies and books, but his open letter to God, disgusts me. I thought that Democrats were supposed to be the compassionate and caring about people party, and now we want a hurricane to land on them........................................ I will not be afiliated with this crap anymore and consider myself an independent now, no way in the world I would be associated with this slimey bunch that has control now...............

Rita

Repugs coming out of the closet

Very interesting

Ops attract; 10:42..................... You know nothing about me, but your right, I am proud, proud not to be associated with the scuzzy, sickening attacks that come from you Obots.............. and I thank goodness that I 'm not in a position where I have to defend the shit that your New party calls debate.....................

Rita

clue in Rita - the Indies dont want you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnrXiaPVeHY&feature=related

Rita,

I never have seen anything from Michael Moore...I have always found he to be a self aggrandizing bloviator.

In 2004 he took great pains to state that he didn't trust Democrats or Republicans and that he was an independent.

I don't think anything has changed. I wonder if his anger at America is that they didn't rise up and dump Bush after Fahrenheit 911

Rita Rita Rita......do you eat with that mouth? Listen - Patsi already has the white trash part in this production, maybe you could be the angry divorcee who was left with nothing after 20+ years (and had no-employable skills due to computers)

Would that work for Rita?

Sock - your ankle is showing

Defining a party by the extreme ends of the spectrum is counterproductive.

Charles Hagee is not representative of the Republicans and Michael Moore is not the Democratic standard bearer.

If you have to define anybody that disagrees with you as a fanatic - then you must not have good logical reasons for your position.

ops attack

your ignorance is showing not to mention your hate

Warren - without extremes Repugs can't gain traction - they live on extreme statements and ideas that have no basis in reality.

That's why we see this show night after night.

Warren- you get to play the roll of the judge

I only hate you sock : )

Because you haven't earned a roll yet

a role as in acting the part - mistake by using dinner roll

I am the director - not the writer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn03ZBahOMk

Geraldine Quayle. Reed's column from Slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2199020/

Ass-Quayle- correcting a 12 year old on camera and being WRONG

ops - here is an example:

"I would dread the day that Senator Obama took the oath to become commander in chief," the South Carolina Republican and ardent McCain supporter said today on ABC's This Week.

Unfortunately - the GOP is good a repeating things so often - regardless of the question they are asked - that some people come to accept such things as true.

Perception is reality...

this is true Warren - and a bit unnerving - but I think there is a ground swell - and that has power - real power

By The Way, Craig has requested that these silly joke aliases be posted within the message and that people use their normal identities rather than constantly changing.

A new experiment by Kimberlee Weaver at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and others shows that hearing the same thing over and over again from one source can have the same effect as hearing that thing from many different people — the brain gets tricked into thinking it has heard a piece of information from multiple, independent sources, even when it has not.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070520183447.htm

Instead of attacking Palin directly - I think the Dems should attack the credibility of the GOP's campaign tactics. (McCain did not look good defending his pick this morning on Fox - even though he maintained a fake smile thoughout and called Palin his "soulmate".)

Republicans are able to turn on a dime. After spending months saying Obama lacked the experience to be President - they have now adopted the campaign themes that Obama has based his campaign on from the start.

To defend Palin - they say judgment is paramount to experience and answer almost every question by repeating the mantra that Palin will bring a change to Washington.

If Obama is so naive and out of touch with America - why did he nail the two things most Americans are seeking from the next President right from the start....

(Kinda like Iraq. Obama opposed the Iraq War at its outset, calling it "an ill-conceived venture which would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences." Call correct.)

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | August 31, 2008 11:35 PM

That is not true. He asked people do that if they were using a real name. He has asked people to use a real email address when posting anonymously.

ops; 10:51pm......... It's just as well the Indies don't want me - well, with me being human, and you'all being robots, it just wouldn't work.

Maybe they can take that big-mouthed hag he's married to and turn her back from a Stepford wife into the pit bull she truly is, to attract some more WOMEN that you know nothing about and can insult to your - silly me - I was going to say heart's, content...................

Rita

Craig said that - wow- when - where- are you designated as Craig's spokesperson?

Jamie has earned the role as the Junior Blog Ass-istant

Sock Puppet

He did say he thought including them in the message was best. He said he thought some of them were funny, but found the constant changes confusing

No one designated me spokesperson. I just mentioned it, because it is so darn aggravating when you are reading the nonsense.

Don't read them.

Actually Rita - Michelle is more a of woman then you will ever be in your entire lifetime and you are nothing more than a racist over the hill bitch who has no reason to exist. Bitter to the end, you totally miss the point of the whole campaign. Don't think anyone could really ever "want you," but anyone will gladly take your vote.

one vote that's what u r

Every Neo-Con, old-Con, Reagan Republican or other Conservative type has told me today, on the TV, just how DELIGHTED they are with Palin.

Me thinks there's just a little too much delight going on!

tt

ops; 10:59 pm................ Just so you know what your attacking you idiot. I work in a law office, have been a Racing Secretary's Assistant and a Casino dealer. Have been married for 42 years and am not a dried up shell of a woman, dummy, I am a WOMAN ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Rita

Rita

But what you said about Michelle Obama was just plain ugly and offensive.

Like I said - no one wants you - you bitter over the hill racist bitch!

Is what you do in you life more important than what you think?
I think not! Case close!

My part in the play is a Comakazi poster.

tt

Another one bites the dust !

Wow. I'm not on the board all day and see what happens! I see that Rita is still up to her old tricks. And things have gone hell in a handbasket. At least you can't blame me!! As you were...

tt - there are several posters trying out for that position....but you may very well be the best suited for the role.

Rita
Of all the ugly things said on this board today...and there were soooo many...you're was by far the worst.

I've been monitoring Right and Extreme Right Wing talk shows on radio and the net -- there is close to !00% support for Palin. Many of the hosts and callers were cool to McCain. Now they are fired-up and ready to work as hard as possible for Sarah -- they'll be voting for her, not McCain. Very bad news for Dems.

Palin combined with the TRUTH from SoetorObama's "hidden" past may result in a loss worse than the McGovern disaster. The Repubs and some PUMAs are determined to crush SoetorObama. Dems should not have stolen the nomination from Hillary.

Or I could be the Grammar Nazi.

tt

It's been very ugly whenever I check in to see if it has died down. Oh well Masterpiece Theater time.

Comakazi poster.

The blog grammarian

But swooping in and posting automatically eliminates me from being the blog grammarian.

I have eliminated myself?

*pirouette poof*

tt

MD don't underestimate yourself - even when you are not here people secretly wish you were .

tiptoe

Comakazi

Something as clever should be rewarded.

GORDO:

The GOP is much more loyal than the Democrats - so you should not be surprised. They know how to close ranks and circle the wagons when it starts getting near election time.

The GOP are true believers. For most of them - putting Country first - entails putting the Republican party first.

I do not think this is the best way to govern - but it is certainly the best way to win elections.

Dog,
okay I am open to suggestions - what do you think Rita deserves? By the way - what in the world did Michelle Obama ever do to Rita? I bet Michelle has been busy living her life, getting an education (much higher than Rita's ) and then raising a family in the political spotlight.

Actually - I see no legitimate reason for a woman to turn on Michelle Obama. I see a republican or a racists.

or both

Btw, Gordo - the Dems did not steal the election from Hillary.

Obama's 17.8 million voters did.

(Sorry - but you don't get extra points for running up the score in CA and NY....)

Yikes, I hope Craig starts a new thread soon. Things are going way downhill here, without a new topic to discuss.

Actually Dog - I believe Rita's core comment was based in racism.

Michelle Obama has never done anything to harm or inflict pain on Rita - why the hatred?

Hit the nail on the head, Rita. I wouldn't give them anymore reason to pounce, though. They're bored, it's the weekend, they're alone, again, and pissing people off on the 'net fills the time. Trust me, to an unbiased observer (lurker), I'm sure it's blatantly evident who here is rational and who isn't.

Oh , and notice Jamie, who posts in here 24/7, hasn't made any posts lately, but there sure are a lot of anonymous posts under newly-created pseudonyms. Must be co-incidence.

Ok, I'm re-reading the thread and maybe it was presumptuous of me to single Jamie out. I sure hope she isn't one of the super-jerks, I was of the mind she was above that. Sorry Jamie (I hope).

Posted by: mommyneeded | August 31, 2008 10:15 PM

mommyneeded = unlike burrito

Posted by: ops attract | August 31, 2008 10:59 PM

ops attract = dogs eye view

"Chloe is your halo on tonight" ops attract | August 31, 9:26 p

Didn't know I had one.
The only thing I'm sure of is that you have horns.