Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I 've been sitting here trying to think of something interesting to talk about, but all this has been so underwhelming. So, I'll defer to someone else.

From here on in, it will about the Polls and how the campaigns' internal polling show issues, gaffes and the candidates are trending. Will Obama get a bounce from McCain's House gaffe, the Biden roll-out, the Convention? Will McCain's gaffe hurt him and/or be tied into the Dems attempted "out-of-touch narrative? It will all show in the polling.

So far, the House gaffe hasn't hurt McCain in the Polls. Personally, I feel it's all a little too silly and too gotcha. In fact, if enough of the electorate see it as distracting from their real issues and concerns, the Dems should and will drop it. They can read polls, too.

Morning all,

I'm already suffering from Obama VP overdose. As Flutus said,
"all this has been so underwhelming."

Let's see if I got it all right. Obama picks weakest candidate who ran for prez as his VP, not the one who was the strongest choice with 18 mil votes (next to Obama, of course). Obama went out of his way not to vet Hillary Clinton, again, the strongest, most powerful Democrat in the party (next to Obama, naturally). Do I have it all right? And, why exactly, should I be excited and rallying to join Obama's team, suddenly? This was his first big decision as the nominee and I don't think he chose wisely. No matter what, Hillary would have brought real energy to the campaign and probably united a still bitterly divided party.

I take it back. I do have something to say after reading the 'discussion' on racial topics in yesterday's thread. It's basically this. People such as MD will not be satisfied until all white people drink the kool-aid. And, even then, they won't be happy.

another day of its all about Hillary such novelty

if repubs werent trying to paint the Democrat as elitist, the house story would have no traction. if you live in a collection of glass houses, maybe you should not attack someone who studied and wrote his way to success, not married it. character issue.

another day and it's all about how Obama "studied and wrote his way to success." Yawn.

TJ, the 'how many homes' story is BS.

The question Sen McCain was asked was something like, "How many houses do you and your wife own?". That was a fair question.

Here's the BS part. Then the question is transmuted into being, "How many homes do you have?". At that point he becomes a complete putz because he has no idea how many places they go home to after having dinner out.

That's intellectually dishonest.

Attack Mr McCain on genuine matters like the flag in South Carolina, or his response to the woman who referred to Mrs Clinton as 'the bitch'.

"let's hope that no one starts a drinking game for downing shots every time Democratic conventioneers fire off a lame joke about John McCain's housing gaffe."

Craig, It shows you how little they have.

"It would seem to me by being more inclusionary, the depth and interest in discussions here would be even better than they are now"....."I choose to respect the position of everyone on this blog, regardless of whether or not I agree with them." Posted by: spike
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-132240

I agree wholeheartedly with the point you are making here Spike.

" I don't think people necessarily dislike each other. But I do think people have interests and those interests conflict."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-132218

And, this one too Mr. D

Just to add a note: Why all this hysteria and outrage about men who marry
rich women? It happens all the time. Just because John Kerry and John McCain
married mega-wealthy women doesn't mean that suddenly their characters
are suspect. I'd marry for money if I could, well. . .only if he were attractive, too.
But, geez, all this fake outrage about rich women is boring.

flatus

it points out a real disconnect between McCain and the concerns of most Americans

its different to earn your future than to inherit it or marry it

trip, I don't particularly like McCain, but I don't think he's the one with a real disconnect with the concerns of most Americans.

i dont have a problem with Cindy McCain or rich women.

its that the GOP is going with their Democrats as elitists theme to distract from their party running a megarich guy for the benefit (mostly) of plutocrats

who has benefitted more from the Bush admin?

Many women marry for money. It doesn't necessarily mean that these
women don't love their rich husbands.

It costs an enormous amount to run for office. I bet if you researched the
topic you'd find many men and women holding high political offices
married rich people to help their careers.. I don't believe it says anything negative about their accomplishments. It's the American Dream, capitalism at it's most profound.

trip,
Maybe you can explain to me what you consider an elitist.
I'm sure we'd have two different explanations.

I see an elitist as someone who considers himself too far above the average American to understand their concerns. I don't think it has anything to do with money.

Now, I realize we all interpret things differently. But we need to keep in mind that there are those differences. That way, when those of us in the "working class" say we think Obama is an elitist without a clue, you'll know what we're trying to say.

spike.....your post percentage roundup would mean more if it covered a week's time instead of just one rainy saturday..........

When people accuse Obama of being an elitist, I believe they mean more
intellectually disconnected from the "lunch box" blue collar workers, not
so much that he comes from wealth.

spike.....your post percentage roundup would mean more if it covered a week's time instead of just one rainy saturday.........."

Yes. It would also mean more if Spike took into consideration the length of the posts.

Hi chloe,

I think we're trying to explain the same thing to trip.

TJ, I suspect that the McCains have separate checkbooks, separate savings accounts, and separate investment accounts. And, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they didn't enter into their marriage with a pre-nup.

And, he certainly doesn't jet-set or spend his days doing things that are so profligate that we haven't even considered them.

Attack where it's accurate and fair.

And, you know Mr Obama earned the elitist chit with his arugula and similar remarks.

"I believe they mean more intellectually disconnected from the "lunch box" blue collar workers,"

Yes Marcia,
And the sooner to comes to understand this, the sooner he'll earn the respect of the rest of the voters he needs.

Has anyone considered that McCain did know exactly how many houses he has, but was a little embarrassed by the question?

Politicians are always weighing their answers He knew how unusual it is to own seven houses.

Flutus,

You're right! I just read today that John McCain signed the very first
pre-nup in the Senate.

Loose lips sinks ships.

Our own Katherine Graham Cracker told us this a day or 2 before the "OFFICIAL TEXT MESSAGE ANNOUNCEMENT" was released.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92O71600.html

Clinton Backers Point to Obama 'Ego'
Hillary fans come to terms with ticket
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12742.html

Well, have to go feed the critters.
Be back in a bit.

This story falls into the the "No S***" category.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

oh

i see

you understand and are the advocates of the lunch bucket set

thank you for explaining it to me.

I watched MSNBC yesterday and again turned the coverage off( why do I torment myself!) The worship of this team (Biden and Obama) by Chris and Olberman was just over the top. The coverage continues today with a constant repeat of the" event:" Let's move on and discuss some real issues regarding Biden. I also agree with Craig on the housing jokes--enough already. We know he is a rich man with income property and a very rich wife who runs her own business. .

Fry,

Good article you posted. It seems to me your link is pointing out that in choosing Biden, Obama demonstrates that he is just another slick pol after all.
Who would ever have thought it, huh?

chloe

i dont see any point in explaining anything to you or anyone else here. your open minds aren't.

I think we just got dissed, chloe.

I just happened to catch a glimpse of MSNBC yesterday and thought I saw Mika wearing what looked like a wig. Not having watched MSNBC in sometime has Mika undergoing some sort of medical treatment that she would need to wear a wig?

marcia

i put up lots on yesterday's thread about the AP Ron Fornier story. of course FryDaddy is posting it. Fornier interviewed with the McCain campaign before he decided to stick with his "objective reporting" with AP.

thats inconvenient to acknowledge for you, though.

also newsflash

Obama is a politician.
and a good one.

I've been mika-free since Imus came back......maybe she could turn the wig around and wear it backwards.....

I thought BHO's brand of politics was to rid itself of the old way DC conducted policy. There are not many politicians who have been in DC longer than Joe Biden.

If BHO picked Biden to give credentials in the foreign affairs world, he'll do the same for every and all places he lack experience, which means everywhere. So all the D party had to do was select a good looking cardboard cut out, play a pre-recorded message, and surround this cardboard cut-out with qualified people. BHO is today's new Wizard of Oz.

TJ, I think he would be a much better politician if the core of his inner circle included people with more diverse backgrounds than Chicago.

MULTI HOUSING FAMILY

Though the wealth is both his and his spouse's,
And he fancies he's close to the throne,
Politicians who live in glass houses
Should be briefed on how many they own.

www.newsandverse.com
Light verse, ripped from the headlines

I don't think I want to expend the effort in trying to develop information on this question:

Q. "Senator, how many times did you or your office intervene in Amtrak route matters impacting on your commute between Wilmington and the District?".

i dont see any point in explaining anything to you or anyone else here. your open minds aren't."

Sorry trip, if that's how I came across.

Actually, my mind is very open. I really was interested in others explanation of elitism. It wasn't my intention to insult anyone and I was not trying to speak for the entire working class. I was just sharing how I felt about it and why I think he hasn't connected with many. We're on the same team, believe it or not.

trip,

I just said the same thing. Obama is a good politician. But, I thought throughout the primary his message was that he wasn't one, but a transformational,
new kind of leader. My point is that he is, after all, simply a pol, good or
bad.

Axelrod has long Chicago connection but not all Obama inner circle.

David Plouffe is the campaign manager for Barack Obama.
As executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 1999-2000, Plouffe led a focused national campaign that moved a record $95 million to House of Representatives campaigns across the United States, and helped add to the party's membership in the House of Representatives.
Prior to joining the DCCC, Plouffe served as Democratic leader Richard Gephardt's Deputy Chief of Staff in 1997-1998. He joined Leader Gephardt after managing the successful campaign to fill Bill Bradley's seat in the United States Senate for Bob Torricelli, the most hotly contested U.S. Senate race in the 1996 cycle.
Plouffe served as the Campaign Director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 1995, joining the DSCC after managing a U.S. Senate race in Delaware in 1994 for Delaware Attorney General Charles M. Oberly against U.S. Senator William V. Roth, Jr..
Plouffe also successfully managed Congressman John Olver's first reelection bid in western Massachusetts in 1992 and served as a State Field Director for Senator Tom Harkin's Presidential campaign in the 1992 cycle, after serving as the Deputy Field Director in Harkin's successful 1990 U.S. Senate race.
Plouffe joined AKP Message & Media in the winter of 2000, and became a named partner of the firm upon returning in February 2004 after serving as a top strategist to Dick Gephardt in his Presidential bid.

3:00 AM Text Message: A slap at Hillary?

"I don't know if this story has any legs but I can tell you that it won't take much to rub the Hillaisers the wrong way, so raw and strained are their emotions today.

Barack Obama's promised text message to his supporters announcing his choice for running mate was sent around 3:00 AM eastern time. You recall the pivotal TV commercial for Hillary prior to the Ohio/Texas primaries that questioned Obama's judgment if the White House phone were to ring at 3:00 AM."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/300_am_text_message_a_slap_at.html

how many people who are not politicians run for the US presidency, as major candidates? not Green party. Repub or Dem or serious indie bid.

Ross Perot. Steve Forbes.

they are different from most candidates but similar in one way to each other.

TJ, I was going by the graphic that Alicia shared from the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/07/14/GR2008071400059.html?sid=ST2008071400153

Morning peeps,

"if repubs werent trying to paint the Democrat as elitist, the house story would have no traction. if you live in a collection of glass houses, maybe you should not attack someone who studied and wrote his way to success, not married it"

Defiantly best post of the day so far, touche!

if repubs werent trying to paint the Democrat as elitist, the house story would have no traction. if you live in a collection of glass houses, maybe you should not attack someone who studied and wrote his way to success, not married it. character issue.

Posted by: trip johnson | August 24, 2008 7:47 AM

That is totally and utterly crap. Hillary was the backbone behind Bill Clinton before he became a successful politician. It was a partnership. She wasn't and isn't riding on his coattails. Not to take away from Obama's meteoritic rise in the Democratic Party and politics, but Hillary is an accomplished attorney, highly educated and bright enough to accomplish things without "marrying into it".

Really, that was a shameful post. sorry.

definitely?

Plouffe joined AKP Message & Media in the winter of 2000, and became a named partner of the firm upon returning in February 2004 after serving as a top strategist to Dick Gephardt in his Presidential bid.
Posted by: trip johnson | August 24, 2008 9:26 AM

So like all other political "advisors" and "managers" he will rake in millions of dollars for his work on the Obama campaign. Can't anyone see how broken the system is?

EuroTom its about McCain. the glass houses post

haha, Definitely!

mark penn took a vow of poverty

"can't anyone see how broken the system is."

I can.

Well, comedy is not one of the Obama campaign's strong suits....I just think we are looking at the jaws of hell in this country and the next financial crisis will take us under again...drowning out hopes for a robust future. But, we will be laughing about seven kitchens as we go down.

I hope the rest of the convention is not as funny or conventional for that matter.

ET trips post had nothing to do about Hillary, many of have moved on and don't have Hillary on the brain 24/7.

It sounded like it to me Brian but if I was wrong I apologise.

trip, I am just as pissed off at Mark Penn and other "consultants" who have raked in the dough. I think it's even more egregious for dems than repugs because the dems are supposedly the party of the people. This country needs publicly funded elections badly. The Tad Devines, Robert Scum... err Shrumm etc. etc. shouldn't be winning millions for a year or two work. Politics should be about the people, not the super rich. It has evolved into a system where advisors and staff can make mega-bucks that is simply scandalous.

Oh yeah, and Mark Penn is scum...

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
"Looks like McCain’s able to do what we couldn’t do in the primaries: make people understand how terrible SoetorObama’s Rezko connections really are

Obama Engaged In Deal With Convicted Felon To Get Deal On House That Had Four Fireplaces And A Wine Cellar:

Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko’s Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. “Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, [Antoin 'Tony'] Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko’s wife.” (Tim Novak, “Obama And His Rezko Ties,” Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)"

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/looks-like-mccains-able-to-do-what-we-couldnt-do-in-the-primaries-make-people-understand-how-terrible-soetorobamas-rezko-connections-really-are/

Blonde, You're right.
We've got all these issues to worry about and they're talking about how many houses McCain has and whether or not he's too old to remember.

And Biden will neither unify the party nor turn the head of most Clinton supporters. Although we will be enjoying the biggest bump of the campaign season after the convention, I still believe Obama is in trouble. I have heard for the third time from MSM that Obama is re-introducing himself (and the Mrs.) to America. I guess he is not "sticking."

George Bush was the cowboy, the caballero (he did garner the hispanic vote). Obama is cavalier (the french cowboy). As I have mentioned before, I have changed about my political views this year. I was a blind dem for an entire voting lifetime. I feel women were not only kicked-out of the dem party, but also shunned at the same time.

After receiving 18,000,000 votes, HRC was never considered, never consulted by the BHO camp to become his VP. Someone who likes to proclaim himself to be an agent of change, has kicked the female to the curb once again.

oh, so now he's French too? thanks blonde wino. the things one learns on this blog.

And I know this is dem holy week, but if the repugs attempt to attract women to the party....it may change things for me. I am not stupid enough to believe that John McCain will be George Bush...just not possible. And the sooner the dems get to solving problems rather than making foolish jokes, the better they will look. Right now, they look like juveniles who want to run the world.

I think many will not be happy with the new Chicago brand of dem politics after the convention.

But Fry, those 18 million voters he shunned weren't just females.

Merci...Trip Johnson.

trip, I think you know what she meant.
Maybe spend a little less time ridiculed us and a little more time saying what you want to say.

Trip Johnson....the wife/house thing was a problem for Kerry, too.

I attended a Kerry rally in New Mexico for Kerry and it was an extremely hot day.....Teresa Kerry was also there and they were SELLING bottled water. Fireman were attending the crowd as many passed-out from the heat....and Teresa Heinz-Kerry owns Evian bottled water company..."let them buy their water, peasants!"

See dems can be elitist, too. Kerry is one of the worst offenders.

Remember, if HRC really wants to become POTUS, BHO has got to loose this election. Should BHO get elected, and do a poor job at POTUS, the country will vote R in 2012. HRC only real chance of becoming POTUS is to have McCain win, as he will be a one term president, only then will HRC can have a real shot in 2012, if HRC misses the 2012 election her next chance will come in 2016 when she will be 69. All this thanks to BHO.

5 things Biden pick says about Obama
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12751.html

FryDaddy...that is an effective argument to vote for McCain.

chloe,

"But Fry, those 18 million voters he shunned weren't just females."

You are correct, but BHO camp had been kicking HRC to the curb through-out the primary. And it is mostly HRC's female supporters who are out raged at the treatment she received.

I know Fry.
Don't remind me, please.
I'll just get mad all over again.

Blonde,

".that is an effective argument to vote for McCain."

Or sit out the election, or not vote for the presidential choices on the ballot. You can always vote for the other office holders without voting for the presidential nominees.

Fry...makes more sense to vote for McCain than sit out...I just can't sit on my hands and watch this train wreck unfold.

BlondeW was speaking figurativily, trip. Might be hard, but try to keep up.

chloe,

"5 things Biden pick says about Obama"

That is what Joe has let his uncontrollable lips flap about BHO. Although I like Joe, he has a whole closet filled with remarkable mis-speaks.

Have to run, have a great Sunday.

"...makes more sense to vote for McCain than sit out...I just can't sit on my hands and watch this train wreck unfold."

Especially if you decide he's more qualified for the job.

Last Call for Change We Can Believe In
"Obama is never going to be a John Edwards-style populist barnburner. (Edwards wasn’t persuasive either, by the way.) Nor will wonkish laundry lists of policy details work any better for him than they did for Al Gore or Hillary Clinton. Obama has those details to spare, in any case, while McCain, who didn’t even include an education policy on his Web site during primary season, is still winging it. As David Leonhardt observes in his New York Times Magazine cover article on “Obamanomics” today, Obama’s real problem is not a lack of detail but his inability to sell policy with “an effective story.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1219576098-rFyjBvxLV0hsGF8LlIYGow&oref=slogin

Caroline Kennedy will be on MTP today, should be interested to see what she has to say about the VP selection process.

Chloe...thanks for the link to the article....

R.I.P., “Change We Can Believe In.”

Brian...it is dem holy week....she will say the usual bs...interesting, my ass@!

Thought I might as well go back and pick up that New York Times Magazine story he was referring to on my last post too.

NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE PREVIEW
The bottom line on Obamanomics
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/20/america/24obamanomicst.php

whatever wino.

Chloe...thanks for that very long article...exactly my concern. One paragraph of interest....

Even if Obama does figure out how to meet the challenge well enough to get elected, there are any number of ways in which his plans could fail. He has never run any government entity — no state, no city, not even a municipal agency — and he may not prove to be good at doing so. The economy could deteriorate further, leaving him with a Clinton-like choice between manageable deficits and direct help for the middle class. Or maybe the many economists who like his agenda are simply wrong. Maybe his health-care program won't bring down costs. Maybe the Virginia model won't work for the rest of the country.

Today's thread on the BackChannel Blog:

GIVE EM HELL BARRY!, by Chef Sheila

http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

Blonde,
He hasn't given me any reason to believe in him.
At least McCain gives it to us straight.
He's more like Hillary than Obama is, if you really think about it.

I don't really think McCain is like Bush.
And I can't believe we ended up with oil men in the White House all these years. When you think about the problems that has caused us, it's unbelievable.

craig, is any journalist in denver looking into who was in the streets outside the '68 convention but are now insiders at the '08 hall and vice versa? where stand today those aging firebrand youngins of yore? another '68/'08 irony is the heavy hand of chicago. see old link re daley's teddy role. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml

Chloe...the inexperience thing will grow with his choice of Biden. I am sure the younger Obamaniacs are wondering who is Joe Biden? He is sort of looks like John McCain. As I said, the campaign is stalled and many dems are jumping from the train. I just cannot get behind this guy and the more I see, the more I am looking elsewhere.

Blonde, but not blind anymore.

More advice for Obama from another of his media crew---

Bob Herbert NYT--"Voters want more from Obama"

"Since the primaries--campaign seems directionless, uninspired, addicted to the empy calories of generalities. Obama himself has seemed flat, no fire, no passion.....

If ever there was a presidential campaign that cried out for a populist's passion, this is it....

A populist message & a willingness to take the fight to his opponent is Barack Obama's ticket to the White House.

He's got 10 weeks to show if he's got the right stuff."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/opinion/23herbert.html

Coreen...Obama sure can raise the money, but is not effective in using the money. His cost per vote is so much higher than McCain's! So, will this very pricey candidacy translate into economic wisdom for the country? I doubt it.

Too Much of a Bad Thing

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 24, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24dowd.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=dowd&st=cse&oref=slogin

Yes, Brian...I will agree that Maureen Down is too much of a bad thing. Her Anne Coulter demeanor is really tiring.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
This is the latest ad from Floyd "Willie Horton" Brown:

Call to Prayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXSlBjiKioY

=============================
Terrific ad - one of the best. Brown doesn't have to lie - just tell the truth about SoetorObama's "hidden" past. It's a really sorry development when people like Brown and Corsi are far more believable than the Dem. SoetorObama is just another fraud and con man.

Blonde & Chloe,

While I have not made any decision as to who (if any) of
the candidates I may vote for in November--I find myself
saying---will my personal life be changed in any way
by the selection of either of the candidates----

So far, I can say that my life will not change in any way
regardless of who wins.

Whino, same as earlier, "whatever".

As to both Maureen Dowd & Frank Rich--they were some of the most ardent John McCain cheerleaders for years, therefore, their defection to their new love with their corresponding need to slam McCain is not only tiresome, but hypocritical.

Coreen

I appreciate the honesty...for me, this is a gut wrenching decision that has been made easy as of late. To me, which candidate is going to "cost" us more? Obama, I believe, comes with a higher price tag.

Wow...Brian, you really got me there!

Whino stop this, I'm not interested in your opinion, I don't care in anyway about your need to comment after I post, just assume from now on my response to you will be "whatever".

BTW, Craig, your reference to Henny Youngman is not lost...much appreciated here....
Take my wife's house, please! : )

To Zoey and Craig...thank you so much for the inside info on the dem convention. Will anyone be attending the repug convention next week?

Good morning all! Saw Sebellius, Rendel and Jackson Jr. on this morning saying that of course we shall have a united party and the women will fall in line. I can't watch anymore.
"They're not listening, not listening still, I guess they never will"

His royal swiness has spoken.....all must obey.......

oy

Brian, stop this, I'm not interested in your opinion. I don't care about your need to comment after I post, just assume from now on my response will be more intelligent than a juvenile, "whatever."

I always knew you were a fascist, B. No matter what, you cannot take away my right to speak my mind. You are not that powerful. I am thankful you will ignore my posts and save the space for another poster.

"What we have learned this summer is this: McCain’s trigger-happy temperament and reactionary policies offer worse than no change. He is an unstable bridge back not just to Bush policies but to an increasingly distant 20th-century America that is still fighting Red China in Vietnam and the Soviet Union in the cold war. As the country tries to navigate the fast-moving changes of the 21st century, McCain would put America on hold."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html

" is any journalist in denver looking into who was in the streets outside the '68 convention but are now insiders at the '08 hall and vice versa? where stand today those aging firebrand youngins of yore? "

Very good question, patd. I'd also be interested in the answer.

OSH

Yep, I am falling in line, goose-stepping the whole way!

: ) (notice it isn't called gander-stepping!)

Bonde,

I certainly agree that it seems that an Obama administration would indeed come at a high price--one which some of us may decide is just not worth the return--

I for one will get no tax relief by his proposals---nor any benefit.... as to his world view, I remain skeptical that Team Obama will successfully navigate around the "bad guys" that continue to challenge the US.

Example, every time I listen to Susan Rice--I just shake my head at the utter nonsense that comes out of her mouth. No confidence in his advisors, so how can I trust his judgment. But I will continue to listen to both sides--no decision is forthcoming.

And I truly believe that whether Obama or McCain wins, either of them will be a one term president. As always, I remain a true cynic.

watch out for others' agendas

Blonde,
He hasn't given me any reason to believe in him.
At least McCain gives it to us straight.
He's more like Hillary than Obama is, if you really think about it.

I don't really think McCain is like Bush.

"He's more like Hillary than Obama is."

He's prochoice.
He believes in healthcare reform.
He realizes the Iraq War was a mistake.
He worries that the wealthy are getting too many tax cuts.
His economic advisers are imaginative until they are inconvenient. (Nation of whiners. What a sense of humor. LOL.)
He is a real change from the boy's club.
Did you hear the one about that marvelous gorilla?

He is SO like Hillary.

Gordo- Don't know if the MSM will pick it up, but it surely wasn't lost on the Hillary supporters that I know, just the final FU. Doesn't seem too concerned about roping us in. Not setting much of an example for his supporters. Why should he, Donna already told us that the bus has left. So long!!

Yeah McCain's pro-choice record is outstanding, that's why he's the darling of the Emily's List crowd, LOL

"EuroTom its about McCain. the glass houses post"

Greener :) j/k

And lets not forgot those wonderful terms of endearment he has for his wife, trollop and c*nt.

Word to the Wise...so compelling.

It amazes me that so many are telling me what I see with my own eyes just isn't true. Your smoke and mirrors are working on me. Personally, in Springfield yesterday, Obama looked like one of those department store ads for a President. So much wanting to look the part. He is super model, nothing more.

Those 1968 firebrands--at least one---Tom Hayden endorsed Obama--not sure whether he is at the convention--but I would suspect that he probably is there.

The Thin Man
Obama's slender record.

"This week, the least qualified man to receive a major party nomination for the presidency of the United States in modern times will be anointed by his party."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/450xaxqd.asp

Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 24, 2008 11:49 AM

As opposed to the things you have said about women
and the insults to the host of this blog

Obama and the Get-Even Gang
Which brings us back to Mr. Cool. He's assuming leadership of a party that was badly bruised during the era of Republican dominance but learned to fight back. Obama (unlike Reid and Pelosi) is not someone you'd want at your side in a bar fight.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_and_the_geteven_gang.html

I'm not running for president maybe you haven't noticed.

"That's intellectually dishonest."

"Attack where it's accurate and fair."

Them damn Democrats! They're so mean!

McCain should start worrying about Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs instead of Hillary and her plight.

Bob Schieffer of CBS said last night that Obama picked Biden because advisors in Obama's campaign told Barack and Michelle there were perceived weaknesses that Obama had and suggested that he pick someone who could rectify that. They needed someone to add some weight to the ticket.

And Hillary should start worrying about getting that massive debt paid off.

Has it started already? I gotta wake up earlier.

"Now they have an ad saying Hillary Clinton was "passed over" for "speaking the truth" "

Maybe McCain should put her on his ticket if he's so damn concerned about it.

Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 24, 2008 11:56 AM

But you do claim to be an Obama supporter and therefore speak for the campaign and represent it imo very poorly

Well, this election will be more about the blind fold rather than holding my nose. Maybe the choice will be like pin the tail on the donkey (no offense to dems) in the voting booth.

I certainly know that most politicians are ignoring the fact that we have been through a very tough game of financial musical chairs. Some of us are just left out of the game entirely and many of us our stuck with some pretty bad chairs.

Politicians playing childish games with our lives...same as it ever was!

Flipping a coin also works , BW.

You have a coin, Corey? I guess you faired better than most during this economic downturn.

And the bearded one is giving the fine citizens of New Mexico a rebate!!!

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10287647?source=most_viewed

As I have mentioned before, rebates are taxable...stimulus checks are not. I have always wondered about the cost of producing a rebate check....I am sure the $50. rebate cost about $75. to produce given the special sessions, postage, implementation, etc. Thank the Glue this will be taxed so the state can get some of its money back. New Mexico has lost a lot of revenue with the housing crisis which is at the heart of the rebate program.

Whoa...the rebate is not taxable...I am so wrong!!

"McCain should start worrying about Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs "

is that what obama's worried about?

Here is the taxable info for the New Mexican rebate....

Will I pay federal taxes on the state rebate?

No, if you did not itemize deductions on your 2007 federal tax return. The depatment estimates that's the largest share of New Mexicans in line for a rebate. For those who receive a rebate and did itemize for tax pruporse, they must report the rebate as income on their 2008 federal tax return. So, i guess it is taxed, but not for all.

FactCheck's photos of Obama's paper birth certificate proves, once and for all, that their image of it was a forgery!

"From the high-res photos that FactCheck provided, I was able to confirm a number of my findings that exposed the FactCheck COLB image as a manufactured forgery. To get everyone up to speed, there has been one, and only one forged image. From this one source image, several copies were generated. One was kept by the Obama campaign while one copy went to the Daily Kos, and the other went to FactCheck. Both the Daily Kos and the Obama campaign cropped their images before posting them on June 12. The Obama Campaign posted a very small, low-res copy to their "Fight the Smears" website, while the Daily Kos image was cropped close to the borders but left in its original size. FactCheck posted their uncropped image to their website four days later on June 16."

(see link for detailed analysis)

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/22/breaking_news!_factchecks_photos_of_obamas_paper_birth_certificate_proves,_once_and_for_all,_that_their_image_of_it_was_a_forgery!.thtml

the full quote, from Ignatius article. Get-Even Gang somehow left out the following sentence which made Ignatius's point.

"Which brings us back to Mr. Cool. He's assuming leadership of a party that was badly bruised during the era of Republican dominance but learned to fight back. Obama (unlike Reid and Pelosi) is not someone you'd want at your side in a bar fight. But then, FDR and JFK weren't exactly barroom brawlers, either. They were leaders, which is different."

Maybe it would be good to have someone who kept you out of bar fights and kept an eye on winning more important battles? Maybe someone who could even discern the correct battlefield, rather than swinging a punch to be tough?

o-watch,

I think the Democratic party is more concerned about those issues than McCain and the GOP. But that's my opinion.

o-watch

Yeah. Obama is focused on Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs.

Yakety Yak -- you put up my favorite columnist, Bill Kristol. His record of predicting actual outcomes is unmatched. The man is an oracle.

o watch,

The point of that comment was McCain's seems to be more worried ( y his own ad) about what Hillary's doing.

McCain's "Hillary" ad smacks of desperation and will only help to harden Democratic resolve to beat him!

"Them damn Democrats! They're so mean!"

No, Rez, this bunch is pathological.

You may be right Brian about hardening the resolve of some democrats, on the other hand, it will do what it was intended to do and harden the feelings of the Hillary supporters.

Off subject- has anyone tried the Imus greening the cleaning products? Just wondering how well they work.

I would just hope to see the same outrage when Gordo's 527's start their campaigns. With few exceptions, it's been pretty weak around here Flatus.

You feel you're so easily manipulated OSH?

"it will do what it was intended to do and harden the feelings of the Hillary supporters."

And Bill and Hillary better get off their ass and do a better job with their supporters for their beloved Party.

Rez I assumed you typed that out with a tongue in cheek attitude!

Rez, I'm equal opportunity when I think people are being used and treated as if they're terminally stupid.

Off Subject osh; that shit tastes great and gave me one hell of a buzz. lol

Does that happen to you frequently Flatus?

Brian, it's just reads how it reads.

Obama's got a big job doing what he's doing and needs all the help he can get. If that's not asking too much.

Rez I don't think they can be counted on for much help, too self centered to give a damn about what happens to the party. Thank god the era of Clinton control of the party is coming to a very rapid end.

They said on CBS last night:

52% of Clinton supporters now back Obama.

21% now back McCain.

27% are undecided.

Sea...

I use Imus' Greening the Cleaning products. They work extremely well...as well as any of my more toxic products ever did.

osh, Obviously I was kidding but that reminded me of the men's Cologne, "smell goodies" that some buddies use to drink as kids to get high. Don't know what happen to them. probably dead or in prison.

Rez- Ha ha! Imus always said that they are so safe one could drink them! catching a buzz should be a bit more enjoyable than drinking cologne, I think of a few better ways!! Is it 5 yet?

Hey Harborwoman, thanks good to know, gotta get some next time I'm off island..

The press and pundit set overplay the emphasis that Hillary's supporters are almost exclusively women.

There are millions of men like me who find Obama shallow and weak, condescending and a big pile of hype.

We want our party to not only win this election, but to govern effictively starting in January.

effectively not effictively

Craig, I'm going over yesterday's post and wanted to let you know I enjoyed this comment: "If Biden aims his persuasive talents at the lunch-bucked Democrats..."

What's a "lunch-bucked Democrat"? That was a good one, Craig. Have fun in Denver. Looking forward to your posts from the mile high city.

Gallup Tied
Rasmussen O + 3

HW, OSH, et al.,

I use her glass cleaner as our all purpose cleaner. I couldn't be more pleased. Does a really good job on things like video screens, appliances, etc.

"We want our party to not only win this election, but to govern effictively starting in January."

OD,
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't you been stating that you're voting McCain with Obama as the nominee? I apologize if my memory is muddled on this. Wouldn't be the first time. . or last.

There are millions of men like me who find Obama shallow and weak, condescending and a big pile of hype.

Posted by: Oregon Democrat

Obambi has a habit of saying "he's scary." On this one issue I can agree with him fully. Obambi's colossal ego and unchaste hubris causes me to see him as a dangerous cult personality. In fairness and in defense of BO I will credit him by admitting he is indeed a uniquely gifted race baiter, divisive and duplicitous as J. Clyburn the master. What I also find truly "scary" is the Chosen One"s coalition of raptured youths, zealot lefties, and monolithic black voters (99% in two recent Gallup polls} joining forces to bolster misogyny as a noble cause worth fighting for.
I wish I could say that my distaste for Bush has made it easier to accept Obambi but that hasn't been the case. The preening charlatan, like a transfixed lovebird in the mirror has eclipsed Bush on my list of unsavory politicians, his exalted stature made possible by Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and his hand maidens the Rev Wright, Bill Ayers and Rezko his benefactor.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Rez. No

I have never voted for a Republican in my lifetime.

I anticipate writing in the name of a Democrat I respect.

I have never voted for someone I didn't respect and I don't intend to start now.

There is a scant hope that by November, people will figure out that Obama is a weak, flawed candidate and he will be replaced as the nominee.

OD, I stand corrected.

Well off with the dogs. Spike, I got my quota of posts this am.

I've reached my quota of posts also. off to Portland for a fun day. Have a good day everyone.

Flatus- Does it smell good? I like that it has sage in it, used by the Indians for cleansing energy.

ABC News/Wash. Post

Obama + 6

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_082308.html

Sea...

My opinion of the smell is that it's okay...not great, but okay. You definitely smell the sage, but there's something else that I neither love nor hate about the smell. The smell dissipates fairly quickly, however, so it's a non-issue for me. What IS an issue for me is that it's non-toxic! (Haven't eaten any of it yet, but it's reassuring to know that I could if I so desired...lol!)

B4 I leave....I do not know if this has been posted as of yet...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/22/john-king-do-the-democrats-have-an-august-curse/

OSH, it just seems to have a clean smell to me (a hint of citrus?). It's kind of like a couple of weeks ago when people were talking about hanging linens outside to dry and how good they smelled afterwards.