Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

I 've been sitting here trying to think of something interesting to talk about, but all this has been so underwhelming. So, I'll defer to someone else.

From here on in, it will about the Polls and how the campaigns' internal polling show issues, gaffes and the candidates are trending. Will Obama get a bounce from McCain's House gaffe, the Biden roll-out, the Convention? Will McCain's gaffe hurt him and/or be tied into the Dems attempted "out-of-touch narrative? It will all show in the polling.

So far, the House gaffe hasn't hurt McCain in the Polls. Personally, I feel it's all a little too silly and too gotcha. In fact, if enough of the electorate see it as distracting from their real issues and concerns, the Dems should and will drop it. They can read polls, too.

Morning all,

I'm already suffering from Obama VP overdose. As Flutus said,
"all this has been so underwhelming."

Let's see if I got it all right. Obama picks weakest candidate who ran for prez as his VP, not the one who was the strongest choice with 18 mil votes (next to Obama, of course). Obama went out of his way not to vet Hillary Clinton, again, the strongest, most powerful Democrat in the party (next to Obama, naturally). Do I have it all right? And, why exactly, should I be excited and rallying to join Obama's team, suddenly? This was his first big decision as the nominee and I don't think he chose wisely. No matter what, Hillary would have brought real energy to the campaign and probably united a still bitterly divided party.

I take it back. I do have something to say after reading the 'discussion' on racial topics in yesterday's thread. It's basically this. People such as MD will not be satisfied until all white people drink the kool-aid. And, even then, they won't be happy.

another day of its all about Hillary such novelty

if repubs werent trying to paint the Democrat as elitist, the house story would have no traction. if you live in a collection of glass houses, maybe you should not attack someone who studied and wrote his way to success, not married it. character issue.

another day and it's all about how Obama "studied and wrote his way to success." Yawn.

TJ, the 'how many homes' story is BS.

The question Sen McCain was asked was something like, "How many houses do you and your wife own?". That was a fair question.

Here's the BS part. Then the question is transmuted into being, "How many homes do you have?". At that point he becomes a complete putz because he has no idea how many places they go home to after having dinner out.

That's intellectually dishonest.

Attack Mr McCain on genuine matters like the flag in South Carolina, or his response to the woman who referred to Mrs Clinton as 'the bitch'.

"let's hope that no one starts a drinking game for downing shots every time Democratic conventioneers fire off a lame joke about John McCain's housing gaffe."

Craig, It shows you how little they have.

"It would seem to me by being more inclusionary, the depth and interest in discussions here would be even better than they are now"....."I choose to respect the position of everyone on this blog, regardless of whether or not I agree with them." Posted by: spike
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-132240

I agree wholeheartedly with the point you are making here Spike.

" I don't think people necessarily dislike each other. But I do think people have interests and those interests conflict."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/obamabiden.html#comment-132218

And, this one too Mr. D

Just to add a note: Why all this hysteria and outrage about men who marry
rich women? It happens all the time. Just because John Kerry and John McCain
married mega-wealthy women doesn't mean that suddenly their characters
are suspect. I'd marry for money if I could, well. . .only if he were attractive, too.
But, geez, all this fake outrage about rich women is boring.

flatus

it points out a real disconnect between McCain and the concerns of most Americans

its different to earn your future than to inherit it or marry it

trip, I don't particularly like McCain, but I don't think he's the one with a real disconnect with the concerns of most Americans.

i dont have a problem with Cindy McCain or rich women.

its that the GOP is going with their Democrats as elitists theme to distract from their party running a megarich guy for the benefit (mostly) of plutocrats

who has benefitted more from the Bush admin?

Many women marry for money. It doesn't necessarily mean that these
women don't love their rich husbands.

It costs an enormous amount to run for office. I bet if you researched the
topic you'd find many men and women holding high political offices
married rich people to help their careers.. I don't believe it says anything negative about their accomplishments. It's the American Dream, capitalism at it's most profound.

trip,
Maybe you can explain to me what you consider an elitist.
I'm sure we'd have two different explanations.

I see an elitist as someone who considers himself too far above the average American to understand their concerns. I don't think it has anything to do with money.

Now, I realize we all interpret things differently. But we need to keep in mind that there are those differences. That way, when those of us in the "working class" say we think Obama is an elitist without a clue, you'll know what we're trying to say.

spike.....your post percentage roundup would mean more if it covered a week's time instead of just one rainy saturday..........

When people accuse Obama of being an elitist, I believe they mean more
intellectually disconnected from the "lunch box" blue collar workers, not
so much that he comes from wealth.

spike.....your post percentage roundup would mean more if it covered a week's time instead of just one rainy saturday.........."

Yes. It would also mean more if Spike took into consideration the length of the posts.

Hi chloe,

I think we're trying to explain the same thing to trip.

TJ, I suspect that the McCains have separate checkbooks, separate savings accounts, and separate investment accounts. And, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they didn't enter into their marriage with a pre-nup.

And, he certainly doesn't jet-set or spend his days doing things that are so profligate that we haven't even considered them.

Attack where it's accurate and fair.

And, you know Mr Obama earned the elitist chit with his arugula and similar remarks.

"I believe they mean more intellectually disconnected from the "lunch box" blue collar workers,"

Yes Marcia,
And the sooner to comes to understand this, the sooner he'll earn the respect of the rest of the voters he needs.

Has anyone considered that McCain did know exactly how many houses he has, but was a little embarrassed by the question?

Politicians are always weighing their answers He knew how unusual it is to own seven houses.

Flutus,

You're right! I just read today that John McCain signed the very first
pre-nup in the Senate.

Loose lips sinks ships.

Our own Katherine Graham Cracker told us this a day or 2 before the "OFFICIAL TEXT MESSAGE ANNOUNCEMENT" was released.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92O71600.html

Clinton Backers Point to Obama 'Ego'
Hillary fans come to terms with ticket
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12742.html

Well, have to go feed the critters.
Be back in a bit.

This story falls into the the "No S***" category.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

oh

i see

you understand and are the advocates of the lunch bucket set

thank you for explaining it to me.

I watched MSNBC yesterday and again turned the coverage off( why do I torment myself!) The worship of this team (Biden and Obama) by Chris and Olberman was just over the top. The coverage continues today with a constant repeat of the" event:" Let's move on and discuss some real issues regarding Biden. I also agree with Craig on the housing jokes--enough already. We know he is a rich man with income property and a very rich wife who runs her own business. .

Fry,

Good article you posted. It seems to me your link is pointing out that in choosing Biden, Obama demonstrates that he is just another slick pol after all.
Who would ever have thought it, huh?

chloe

i dont see any point in explaining anything to you or anyone else here. your open minds aren't.

I think we just got dissed, chloe.

I just happened to catch a glimpse of MSNBC yesterday and thought I saw Mika wearing what looked like a wig. Not having watched MSNBC in sometime has Mika undergoing some sort of medical treatment that she would need to wear a wig?

marcia

i put up lots on yesterday's thread about the AP Ron Fornier story. of course FryDaddy is posting it. Fornier interviewed with the McCain campaign before he decided to stick with his "objective reporting" with AP.

thats inconvenient to acknowledge for you, though.

also newsflash

Obama is a politician.
and a good one.

I've been mika-free since Imus came back......maybe she could turn the wig around and wear it backwards.....

I thought BHO's brand of politics was to rid itself of the old way DC conducted policy. There are not many politicians who have been in DC longer than Joe Biden.

If BHO picked Biden to give credentials in the foreign affairs world, he'll do the same for every and all places he lack experience, which means everywhere. So all the D party had to do was select a good looking cardboard cut out, play a pre-recorded message, and surround this cardboard cut-out with qualified people. BHO is today's new Wizard of Oz.

TJ, I think he would be a much better politician if the core of his inner circle included people with more diverse backgrounds than Chicago.

MULTI HOUSING FAMILY

Though the wealth is both his and his spouse's,
And he fancies he's close to the throne,
Politicians who live in glass houses
Should be briefed on how many they own.

www.newsandverse.com
Light verse, ripped from the headlines

I don't think I want to expend the effort in trying to develop information on this question:

Q. "Senator, how many times did you or your office intervene in Amtrak route matters impacting on your commute between Wilmington and the District?".

i dont see any point in explaining anything to you or anyone else here. your open minds aren't."

Sorry trip, if that's how I came across.

Actually, my mind is very open. I really was interested in others explanation of elitism. It wasn't my intention to insult anyone and I was not trying to speak for the entire working class. I was just sharing how I felt about it and why I think he hasn't connected with many. We're on the same team, believe it or not.

trip,

I just said the same thing. Obama is a good politician. But, I thought throughout the primary his message was that he wasn't one, but a transformational,
new kind of leader. My point is that he is, after all, simply a pol, good or
bad.

Axelrod has long Chicago connection but not all Obama inner circle.

David Plouffe is the campaign manager for Barack Obama.
As executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 1999-2000, Plouffe led a focused national campaign that moved a record $95 million to House of Representatives campaigns across the United States, and helped add to the party's membership in the House of Representatives.
Prior to joining the DCCC, Plouffe served as Democratic leader Richard Gephardt's Deputy Chief of Staff in 1997-1998. He joined Leader Gephardt after managing the successful campaign to fill Bill Bradley's seat in the United States Senate for Bob Torricelli, the most hotly contested U.S. Senate race in the 1996 cycle.
Plouffe served as the Campaign Director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 1995, joining the DSCC after managing a U.S. Senate race in Delaware in 1994 for Delaware Attorney General Charles M. Oberly against U.S. Senator William V. Roth, Jr..
Plouffe also successfully managed Congressman John Olver's first reelection bid in western Massachusetts in 1992 and served as a State Field Director for Senator Tom Harkin's Presidential campaign in the 1992 cycle, after serving as the Deputy Field Director in Harkin's successful 1990 U.S. Senate race.
Plouffe joined AKP Message & Media in the winter of 2000, and became a named partner of the firm upon returning in February 2004 after serving as a top strategist to Dick Gephardt in his Presidential bid.

3:00 AM Text Message: A slap at Hillary?

"I don't know if this story has any legs but I can tell you that it won't take much to rub the Hillaisers the wrong way, so raw and strained are their emotions today.

Barack Obama's promised text message to his supporters announcing his choice for running mate was sent around 3:00 AM eastern time. You recall the pivotal TV commercial for Hillary prior to the Ohio/Texas primaries that questioned Obama's judgment if the White House phone were to ring at 3:00 AM."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/300_am_text_message_a_slap_at.html

how many people who are not politicians run for the US presidency, as major candidates? not Green party. Repub or Dem or serious indie bid.

Ross Perot. Steve Forbes.

they are different from most candidates but similar in one way to each other.

TJ, I was going by the graphic that Alicia shared from the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/07/14/GR2008071400059.html?sid=ST2008071400153

if repubs werent trying to paint the Democrat as elitist, the house story would have no traction. if you live in a collection of glass houses, maybe you should not attack someone who studied and wrote his way to success, not married it. character issue.

Posted by: trip johnson | August 24, 2008 7:47 AM

That is totally and utterly crap. Hillary was the backbone behind Bill Clinton before he became a successful politician. It was a partnership. She wasn't and isn't riding on his coattails. Not to take away from Obama's meteoritic rise in the Democratic Party and politics, but Hillary is an accomplished attorney, highly educated and bright enough to accomplish things without "marrying into it".

Really, that was a shameful post. sorry.

definitely?

Plouffe joined AKP Message & Media in the winter of 2000, and became a named partner of the firm upon returning in February 2004 after serving as a top strategist to Dick Gephardt in his Presidential bid.
Posted by: trip johnson | August 24, 2008 9:26 AM

So like all other political "advisors" and "managers" he will rake in millions of dollars for his work on the Obama campaign. Can't anyone see how broken the system is?

EuroTom its about McCain. the glass houses post

mark penn took a vow of poverty

"can't anyone see how broken the system is."

I can.

Well, comedy is not one of the Obama campaign's strong suits....I just think we are looking at the jaws of hell in this country and the next financial crisis will take us under again...drowning out hopes for a robust future. But, we will be laughing about seven kitchens as we go down.

I hope the rest of the convention is not as funny or conventional for that matter.

trip, I am just as pissed off at Mark Penn and other "consultants" who have raked in the dough. I think it's even more egregious for dems than repugs because the dems are supposedly the party of the people. This country needs publicly funded elections badly. The Tad Devines, Robert Scum... err Shrumm etc. etc. shouldn't be winning millions for a year or two work. Politics should be about the people, not the super rich. It has evolved into a system where advisors and staff can make mega-bucks that is simply scandalous.

Oh yeah, and Mark Penn is scum...

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
"Looks like McCain’s able to do what we couldn’t do in the primaries: make people understand how terrible SoetorObama’s Rezko connections really are

Obama Engaged In Deal With Convicted Felon To Get Deal On House That Had Four Fireplaces And A Wine Cellar:

Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko’s Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. “Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, [Antoin 'Tony'] Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko’s wife.” (Tim Novak, “Obama And His Rezko Ties,” Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)"

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/looks-like-mccains-able-to-do-what-we-couldnt-do-in-the-primaries-make-people-understand-how-terrible-soetorobamas-rezko-connections-really-are/

Blonde, You're right.
We've got all these issues to worry about and they're talking about how many houses McCain has and whether or not he's too old to remember.

And Biden will neither unify the party nor turn the head of most Clinton supporters. Although we will be enjoying the biggest bump of the campaign season after the convention, I still believe Obama is in trouble. I have heard for the third time from MSM that Obama is re-introducing himself (and the Mrs.) to America. I guess he is not "sticking."

George Bush was the cowboy, the caballero (he did garner the hispanic vote). Obama is cavalier (the french cowboy). As I have mentioned before, I have changed about my political views this year. I was a blind dem for an entire voting lifetime. I feel women were not only kicked-out of the dem party, but also shunned at the same time.

After receiving 18,000,000 votes, HRC was never considered, never consulted by the BHO camp to become his VP. Someone who likes to proclaim himself to be an agent of change, has kicked the female to the curb once again.

oh, so now he's French too? thanks blonde wino. the things one learns on this blog.

And I know this is dem holy week, but if the repugs attempt to attract women to the party....it may change things for me. I am not stupid enough to believe that John McCain will be George Bush...just not possible. And the sooner the dems get to solving problems rather than making foolish jokes, the better they will look. Right now, they look like juveniles who want to run the world.

I think many will not be happy with the new Chicago brand of dem politics after the convention.

But Fry, those 18 million voters he shunned weren't just females.

Merci...Trip Johnson.

trip, I think you know what she meant.
Maybe spend a little less time ridiculed us and a little more time saying what you want to say.

Trip Johnson....the wife/house thing was a problem for Kerry, too.

I attended a Kerry rally in New Mexico for Kerry and it was an extremely hot day.....Teresa Kerry was also there and they were SELLING bottled water. Fireman were attending the crowd as many passed-out from the heat....and Teresa Heinz-Kerry owns Evian bottled water company..."let them buy their water, peasants!"

See dems can be elitist, too. Kerry is one of the worst offenders.

Remember, if HRC really wants to become POTUS, BHO has got to loose this election. Should BHO get elected, and do a poor job at POTUS, the country will vote R in 2012. HRC only real chance of becoming POTUS is to have McCain win, as he will be a one term president, only then will HRC can have a real shot in 2012, if HRC misses the 2012 election her next chance will come in 2016 when she will be 69. All this thanks to BHO.

5 things Biden pick says about Obama
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12751.html

FryDaddy...that is an effective argument to vote for McCain.

chloe,

"But Fry, those 18 million voters he shunned weren't just females."

You are correct, but BHO camp had been kicking HRC to the curb through-out the primary. And it is mostly HRC's female supporters who are out raged at the treatment she received.

I know Fry.
Don't remind me, please.
I'll just get mad all over again.

Blonde,

".that is an effective argument to vote for McCain."

Or sit out the election, or not vote for the presidential choices on the ballot. You can always vote for the other office holders without voting for the presidential nominees.

Fry...makes more sense to vote for McCain than sit out...I just can't sit on my hands and watch this train wreck unfold.

BlondeW was speaking figurativily, trip. Might be hard, but try to keep up.

chloe,

"5 things Biden pick says about Obama"

That is what Joe has let his uncontrollable lips flap about BHO. Although I like Joe, he has a whole closet filled with remarkable mis-speaks.

Have to run, have a great Sunday.

"...makes more sense to vote for McCain than sit out...I just can't sit on my hands and watch this train wreck unfold."

Especially if you decide he's more qualified for the job.

Last Call for Change We Can Believe In
"Obama is never going to be a John Edwards-style populist barnburner. (Edwards wasn’t persuasive either, by the way.) Nor will wonkish laundry lists of policy details work any better for him than they did for Al Gore or Hillary Clinton. Obama has those details to spare, in any case, while McCain, who didn’t even include an education policy on his Web site during primary season, is still winging it. As David Leonhardt observes in his New York Times Magazine cover article on “Obamanomics” today, Obama’s real problem is not a lack of detail but his inability to sell policy with “an effective story.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1219576098-rFyjBvxLV0hsGF8LlIYGow&oref=slogin

Chloe...thanks for the link to the article....

R.I.P., “Change We Can Believe In.”

Thought I might as well go back and pick up that New York Times Magazine story he was referring to on my last post too.

NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE PREVIEW
The bottom line on Obamanomics
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/20/america/24obamanomicst.php

Chloe...thanks for that very long article...exactly my concern. One paragraph of interest....

Even if Obama does figure out how to meet the challenge well enough to get elected, there are any number of ways in which his plans could fail. He has never run any government entity — no state, no city, not even a municipal agency — and he may not prove to be good at doing so. The economy could deteriorate further, leaving him with a Clinton-like choice between manageable deficits and direct help for the middle class. Or maybe the many economists who like his agenda are simply wrong. Maybe his health-care program won't bring down costs. Maybe the Virginia model won't work for the rest of the country.

Blonde,
He hasn't given me any reason to believe in him.
At least McCain gives it to us straight.
He's more like Hillary than Obama is, if you really think about it.

I don't really think McCain is like Bush.
And I can't believe we ended up with oil men in the White House all these years. When you think about the problems that has caused us, it's unbelievable.

craig, is any journalist in denver looking into who was in the streets outside the '68 convention but are now insiders at the '08 hall and vice versa? where stand today those aging firebrand youngins of yore? another '68/'08 irony is the heavy hand of chicago. see old link re daley's teddy role. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml

Chloe...the inexperience thing will grow with his choice of Biden. I am sure the younger Obamaniacs are wondering who is Joe Biden? He is sort of looks like John McCain. As I said, the campaign is stalled and many dems are jumping from the train. I just cannot get behind this guy and the more I see, the more I am looking elsewhere.

Blonde, but not blind anymore.

More advice for Obama from another of his media crew---

Bob Herbert NYT--"Voters want more from Obama"

"Since the primaries--campaign seems directionless, uninspired, addicted to the empy calories of generalities. Obama himself has seemed flat, no fire, no passion.....

If ever there was a presidential campaign that cried out for a populist's passion, this is it....

A populist message & a willingness to take the fight to his opponent is Barack Obama's ticket to the White House.

He's got 10 weeks to show if he's got the right stuff."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/opinion/23herbert.html

Coreen...Obama sure can raise the money, but is not effective in using the money. His cost per vote is so much higher than McCain's! So, will this very pricey candidacy translate into economic wisdom for the country? I doubt it.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
This is the latest ad from Floyd "Willie Horton" Brown:

Call to Prayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXSlBjiKioY

=============================
Terrific ad - one of the best. Brown doesn't have to lie - just tell the truth about SoetorObama's "hidden" past. It's a really sorry development when people like Brown and Corsi are far more believable than the Dem. SoetorObama is just another fraud and con man.

Blonde & Chloe,

While I have not made any decision as to who (if any) of
the candidates I may vote for in November--I find myself
saying---will my personal life be changed in any way
by the selection of either of the candidates----

So far, I can say that my life will not change in any way
regardless of who wins.

As to both Maureen Dowd & Frank Rich--they were some of the most ardent John McCain cheerleaders for years, therefore, their defection to their new love with their corresponding need to slam McCain is not only tiresome, but hypocritical.

Coreen

I appreciate the honesty...for me, this is a gut wrenching decision that has been made easy as of late. To me, which candidate is going to "cost" us more? Obama, I believe, comes with a higher price tag.

BTW, Craig, your reference to Henny Youngman is not lost...much appreciated here....
Take my wife's house, please! : )

To Zoey and Craig...thank you so much for the inside info on the dem convention. Will anyone be attending the repug convention next week?

Good morning all! Saw Sebellius, Rendel and Jackson Jr. on this morning saying that of course we shall have a united party and the women will fall in line. I can't watch anymore.
"They're not listening, not listening still, I guess they never will"

His royal swiness has spoken.....all must obey.......

oy

" is any journalist in denver looking into who was in the streets outside the '68 convention but are now insiders at the '08 hall and vice versa? where stand today those aging firebrand youngins of yore? "

Very good question, patd. I'd also be interested in the answer.

OSH

Yep, I am falling in line, goose-stepping the whole way!

: ) (notice it isn't called gander-stepping!)

Bonde,

I certainly agree that it seems that an Obama administration would indeed come at a high price--one which some of us may decide is just not worth the return--

I for one will get no tax relief by his proposals---nor any benefit.... as to his world view, I remain skeptical that Team Obama will successfully navigate around the "bad guys" that continue to challenge the US.

Example, every time I listen to Susan Rice--I just shake my head at the utter nonsense that comes out of her mouth. No confidence in his advisors, so how can I trust his judgment. But I will continue to listen to both sides--no decision is forthcoming.

And I truly believe that whether Obama or McCain wins, either of them will be a one term president. As always, I remain a true cynic.

watch out for others' agendas

Blonde,
He hasn't given me any reason to believe in him.
At least McCain gives it to us straight.
He's more like Hillary than Obama is, if you really think about it.

I don't really think McCain is like Bush.

"He's more like Hillary than Obama is."

He's prochoice.
He believes in healthcare reform.
He realizes the Iraq War was a mistake.
He worries that the wealthy are getting too many tax cuts.
His economic advisers are imaginative until they are inconvenient. (Nation of whiners. What a sense of humor. LOL.)
He is a real change from the boy's club.
Did you hear the one about that marvelous gorilla?

He is SO like Hillary.

Gordo- Don't know if the MSM will pick it up, but it surely wasn't lost on the Hillary supporters that I know, just the final FU. Doesn't seem too concerned about roping us in. Not setting much of an example for his supporters. Why should he, Donna already told us that the bus has left. So long!!

"EuroTom its about McCain. the glass houses post"

Greener :) j/k

Word to the Wise...so compelling.

It amazes me that so many are telling me what I see with my own eyes just isn't true. Your smoke and mirrors are working on me. Personally, in Springfield yesterday, Obama looked like one of those department store ads for a President. So much wanting to look the part. He is super model, nothing more.

Those 1968 firebrands--at least one---Tom Hayden endorsed Obama--not sure whether he is at the convention--but I would suspect that he probably is there.

The Thin Man
Obama's slender record.

"This week, the least qualified man to receive a major party nomination for the presidency of the United States in modern times will be anointed by his party."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/450xaxqd.asp

Obama and the Get-Even Gang
Which brings us back to Mr. Cool. He's assuming leadership of a party that was badly bruised during the era of Republican dominance but learned to fight back. Obama (unlike Reid and Pelosi) is not someone you'd want at your side in a bar fight.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_and_the_geteven_gang.html

"That's intellectually dishonest."

"Attack where it's accurate and fair."

Them damn Democrats! They're so mean!

McCain should start worrying about Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs instead of Hillary and her plight.

Bob Schieffer of CBS said last night that Obama picked Biden because advisors in Obama's campaign told Barack and Michelle there were perceived weaknesses that Obama had and suggested that he pick someone who could rectify that. They needed someone to add some weight to the ticket.

Has it started already? I gotta wake up earlier.

"Now they have an ad saying Hillary Clinton was "passed over" for "speaking the truth" "

Maybe McCain should put her on his ticket if he's so damn concerned about it.

Well, this election will be more about the blind fold rather than holding my nose. Maybe the choice will be like pin the tail on the donkey (no offense to dems) in the voting booth.

I certainly know that most politicians are ignoring the fact that we have been through a very tough game of financial musical chairs. Some of us are just left out of the game entirely and many of us our stuck with some pretty bad chairs.

Politicians playing childish games with our lives...same as it ever was!

Flipping a coin also works , BW.

You have a coin, Corey? I guess you faired better than most during this economic downturn.

And the bearded one is giving the fine citizens of New Mexico a rebate!!!

http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10287647?source=most_viewed

As I have mentioned before, rebates are taxable...stimulus checks are not. I have always wondered about the cost of producing a rebate check....I am sure the $50. rebate cost about $75. to produce given the special sessions, postage, implementation, etc. Thank the Glue this will be taxed so the state can get some of its money back. New Mexico has lost a lot of revenue with the housing crisis which is at the heart of the rebate program.

Whoa...the rebate is not taxable...I am so wrong!!

"McCain should start worrying about Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs "

is that what obama's worried about?

Here is the taxable info for the New Mexican rebate....

Will I pay federal taxes on the state rebate?

No, if you did not itemize deductions on your 2007 federal tax return. The depatment estimates that's the largest share of New Mexicans in line for a rebate. For those who receive a rebate and did itemize for tax pruporse, they must report the rebate as income on their 2008 federal tax return. So, i guess it is taxed, but not for all.

FactCheck's photos of Obama's paper birth certificate proves, once and for all, that their image of it was a forgery!

"From the high-res photos that FactCheck provided, I was able to confirm a number of my findings that exposed the FactCheck COLB image as a manufactured forgery. To get everyone up to speed, there has been one, and only one forged image. From this one source image, several copies were generated. One was kept by the Obama campaign while one copy went to the Daily Kos, and the other went to FactCheck. Both the Daily Kos and the Obama campaign cropped their images before posting them on June 12. The Obama Campaign posted a very small, low-res copy to their "Fight the Smears" website, while the Daily Kos image was cropped close to the borders but left in its original size. FactCheck posted their uncropped image to their website four days later on June 16."

(see link for detailed analysis)

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/22/breaking_news!_factchecks_photos_of_obamas_paper_birth_certificate_proves,_once_and_for_all,_that_their_image_of_it_was_a_forgery!.thtml

the full quote, from Ignatius article. Get-Even Gang somehow left out the following sentence which made Ignatius's point.

"Which brings us back to Mr. Cool. He's assuming leadership of a party that was badly bruised during the era of Republican dominance but learned to fight back. Obama (unlike Reid and Pelosi) is not someone you'd want at your side in a bar fight. But then, FDR and JFK weren't exactly barroom brawlers, either. They were leaders, which is different."

Maybe it would be good to have someone who kept you out of bar fights and kept an eye on winning more important battles? Maybe someone who could even discern the correct battlefield, rather than swinging a punch to be tough?

o-watch,

I think the Democratic party is more concerned about those issues than McCain and the GOP. But that's my opinion.

o-watch

Yeah. Obama is focused on Veterans health care, the mortgage crisis, middle class jobs.

Yakety Yak -- you put up my favorite columnist, Bill Kristol. His record of predicting actual outcomes is unmatched. The man is an oracle.

o watch,

The point of that comment was McCain's seems to be more worried ( y his own ad) about what Hillary's doing.

"Them damn Democrats! They're so mean!"

No, Rez, this bunch is pathological.

I would just hope to see the same outrage when Gordo's 527's start their campaigns. With few exceptions, it's been pretty weak around here Flatus.

"it will do what it was intended to do and harden the feelings of the Hillary supporters."

And Bill and Hillary better get off their ass and do a better job with their supporters for their beloved Party.

Rez, I'm equal opportunity when I think people are being used and treated as if they're terminally stupid.

Off Subject osh; that shit tastes great and gave me one hell of a buzz. lol

They said on CBS last night:

52% of Clinton supporters now back Obama.

21% now back McCain.

27% are undecided.

Sea...

I use Imus' Greening the Cleaning products. They work extremely well...as well as any of my more toxic products ever did.

osh, Obviously I was kidding but that reminded me of the men's Cologne, "smell goodies" that some buddies use to drink as kids to get high. Don't know what happen to them. probably dead or in prison.

Rez- Ha ha! Imus always said that they are so safe one could drink them! catching a buzz should be a bit more enjoyable than drinking cologne, I think of a few better ways!! Is it 5 yet?

Hey Harborwoman, thanks good to know, gotta get some next time I'm off island..

The press and pundit set overplay the emphasis that Hillary's supporters are almost exclusively women.

There are millions of men like me who find Obama shallow and weak, condescending and a big pile of hype.

We want our party to not only win this election, but to govern effictively starting in January.

effectively not effictively

Craig, I'm going over yesterday's post and wanted to let you know I enjoyed this comment: "If Biden aims his persuasive talents at the lunch-bucked Democrats..."

What's a "lunch-bucked Democrat"? That was a good one, Craig. Have fun in Denver. Looking forward to your posts from the mile high city.

Gallup Tied
Rasmussen O + 3

HW, OSH, et al.,

I use her glass cleaner as our all purpose cleaner. I couldn't be more pleased. Does a really good job on things like video screens, appliances, etc.

"We want our party to not only win this election, but to govern effictively starting in January."

OD,
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't you been stating that you're voting McCain with Obama as the nominee? I apologize if my memory is muddled on this. Wouldn't be the first time. . or last.

There are millions of men like me who find Obama shallow and weak, condescending and a big pile of hype.

Posted by: Oregon Democrat

Obambi has a habit of saying "he's scary." On this one issue I can agree with him fully. Obambi's colossal ego and unchaste hubris causes me to see him as a dangerous cult personality. In fairness and in defense of BO I will credit him by admitting he is indeed a uniquely gifted race baiter, divisive and duplicitous as J. Clyburn the master. What I also find truly "scary" is the Chosen One"s coalition of raptured youths, zealot lefties, and monolithic black voters (99% in two recent Gallup polls} joining forces to bolster misogyny as a noble cause worth fighting for.
I wish I could say that my distaste for Bush has made it easier to accept Obambi but that hasn't been the case. The preening charlatan, like a transfixed lovebird in the mirror has eclipsed Bush on my list of unsavory politicians, his exalted stature made possible by Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and his hand maidens the Rev Wright, Bill Ayers and Rezko his benefactor.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Rez. No

I have never voted for a Republican in my lifetime.

I anticipate writing in the name of a Democrat I respect.

I have never voted for someone I didn't respect and I don't intend to start now.

There is a scant hope that by November, people will figure out that Obama is a weak, flawed candidate and he will be replaced as the nominee.

OD, I stand corrected.

Well off with the dogs. Spike, I got my quota of posts this am.

I've reached my quota of posts also. off to Portland for a fun day. Have a good day everyone.

Flatus- Does it smell good? I like that it has sage in it, used by the Indians for cleansing energy.

Sea...

My opinion of the smell is that it's okay...not great, but okay. You definitely smell the sage, but there's something else that I neither love nor hate about the smell. The smell dissipates fairly quickly, however, so it's a non-issue for me. What IS an issue for me is that it's non-toxic! (Haven't eaten any of it yet, but it's reassuring to know that I could if I so desired...lol!)

B4 I leave....I do not know if this has been posted as of yet...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/22/john-king-do-the-democrats-have-an-august-curse/

OSH, it just seems to have a clean smell to me (a hint of citrus?). It's kind of like a couple of weeks ago when people were talking about hanging linens outside to dry and how good they smelled afterwards.

Good afternoon everyone --

McCain's Hillary ads could harden some Clintonites against Obama or cause some Clintonites to feel manipulated by McCain, but either way, they're not going to Obama, unless there is a concerted effort to reach out and bring them into the fold. It might be too late for that.

I don't know if it's because I've been hanging around this blog so much in the last half year or so, but politics is really starting to bore me. I think it could also be because I am no longer in the "home country" but living in Europe. I do think election night I will be totally engaged but right now I'm more interested in chatting with people here rather than chatting about the various campaigns. Other than that I have found new addictions: the Here TV Network soap opera "Dante's Cove" and the remake of "Battlestar Galactica".

Oh yeah, I'm on Facebook now, so drop in for a visit...

I'm just amazed that Oregon Democrat is a man. Who woulda thunk it?

Ahem, Mr. D -- your bias is showing :-)

Since its a houses theme how about some songs about houses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJjE-UtqQdU&feature=related

Alicia, there are perhaps half-a-dozen people here, I suppose they consider themselves his TM surrogates, that have killed any desire to embrace his candidacy.

Harborwoman-- Thanks for the thorough description- good to know the smell isn't intolerable!

Flatus -- Roger that, sir.

Posted by: word to the wise | August 24, 2008 12:23 PM

word to the wise = dogs eye view

Patsi,

So, I was being critical (emphatically) of my party's leadership. Shoot me!

In my opinion they (the Clintons) need to appear to be more active in pursuading their supporters to rally for Obama.
Not surprisingly there's been several of the "big time'' TV analysts say the same thing. Contrary to you and many here I think that is her job not his.

And Bill and Hillary better get off their ass and do a better job with their supporters for their beloved Party.

Posted by: Rezdog Author Profile Page | August 24, 2008 12:59 PM
Hill and Bill owe the DNC nothing. The DNC owes them.

"Hill and Bill owe the DNC nothing. The DNC owes them."

Whateva

"And Bill and Hillary better get off their ass and do a better job with their supporters for their beloved Party."
rez, you want her to stop doing what's she doing now, campaigning for o (ex: recent trip to florida), fundraising for o (bro't in hundreds of thousand $$ last month for o)? and do what more than what she's already done which is ask her supporters to support o. walk on coals? burn herself at the stake in front of the protesters?

Rez

"In my opinion they (the Clintons) need to appear to be more active in pursuading their supporters to rally for Obama."

She spent the whole day in Florida on his behalf and all it got her was charges that she wasn't enthusiastic enough. Could it be that the media and Obama tribes haven't quite gotten out of the "let's slap Hillary around some more" habit?

Oh and she's doing the central valley of California for him tonight.

Michigan and Florida have been granted full voting rights at the Convention. I wonder how they will vote and if the delegations have been pre packed with Obama voters.

are o's surrogates on a concerted mission now to pressure hrc into demanding that the pledged delagates disregard the 18 mil voters that selected them?
altho some of her former sds turned a deaf ear to their constituents, they may rue the day next election. karma.

Nice article about Biden

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/23/2008-08-23_joe_biden_beats_odds_after_wife_daughter.html

patd,

To be honest I don't know what she's doing in the background with the PUMA-like groups, but I would hope she messaging them to back off a little if she isn't.

If Hillary wanted face time she could get it to comment on any issue, i.e. Biden's selection, McCain's infatuation. Just quite referring to him as an opponent would help.(at least Tweety is reporting that and getting airtime)

Basically, just haven't seen much of her or Bill out for Obama.

Dog, Bill Kristol is a bright guy, but so often on the wrong side of right.

I wish I was close enough to be there when she visits with the Emilys List group

rocky mountain hi
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/anti-war-protesters-greet-convention-goers-in-denver/

Gordo,
Damn I hate doing this:

From FactCheck.org:

And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Rez, loyalty reflected by doing something as personal as making kissy-face with another candidate, requires at least a hint of reciprocity.

Your Good Enough
Shoulder Brush
99 Problems
Not even vetting
3 AM Email

Well we've had 8 years of an arrogant, snarky SOB. The next 8 years with another one should be no trouble at all.

more on protest preparedness
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27316629.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs

Jamie,

See this is where i disagree with you.
You call Bush arrogant I call him a man with a set of balls. I would also call your D controlled Congress, neutered.

Well said, CatBalu, really, very well said.

craig?
"A few thousand of the 20,000 journalists registered for the convention drifted through the Elitch Garden Theme Park for endless servings of free beer and food, and marked-up rides and games."
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/08/democratic-convention-obama-blog

FD

Bush hasn't made a single good decision since entering office. How he can go around cavalierly cracking jokes after slaughtering thousands upon thousands of innocent people is beyond me. Those aren't balls. His blood dripping brains just sank to a new low.

Obama supporters don't bash Hillary, just Hillary supporters.

catbalu,
I agree with your long comment. We can't get over the treatment from a party we have always supported. They don't deserve us or our vote.
Today they agreed to give us (FL) full votes. Too little, too late.
"Hillary should be on everyone's short list"BO. But they don't even vet her?
Pelosi says on MTP Repubs should not use HRC snub by BO, hey the truth hurts.
I wont be shamed into helping people and a party that has disrespected us and shown that misogyny is alive and well in our party.

I will vote against BO, but to make it have an impact it will have to be a vote cast for Mc Cain. Maybe Nov 5th they will realize we were serious.

"You're an adult not a child CatBalu, act like one. "

Says the man who for months has dripped vitriol all over the place. Does this mean you are finally going to grow up and be courteous to others even when they disagree with you?

BTW, Hillary came out with support of Obama and a rejection of the Republican ad.

Politics of fear.

goodies for craig: contents of this year's DNC media bag listed and pictured at
http://seattlest.com/2008/08/24/conventionist_inside_the_dnc_media.php

Here is Harriet after she cooled down a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIIDtlFzAkg&feature=related

Craig A+ for today.
Maybe the limit of one liners represents the depth of the party? I know better but you are right on.

mood music
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3032720282171603077

I tried to make this as short as possible -- it's about another MSM cover-up. Important!
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FryDaddy -----------------------------------------------

I was going to post this later, but will do it now. FactCheckdotorg has zero credibility. This was done for the purpose of misleading those who have not been following the COLB story in detail.
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Posted this earlier:

BREAKING NEWS! FactCheck's photos of Obama's paper birth certificate proves, once and for all, that their image of it was a forgery

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/22/breaking_news!_factchecks_photos_of_obamas_paper_birth_certificate_proves,_once_and_for_all,_that_their_image_of_it_was_a_forgery!.thtml
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Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"

"Factcheck.org posted 9 photographs of what it claimed were different aspects of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth", all in less than optimal and idiosyncratic lighting conditions. All of them were taken over a less than seven minute period on March 12, 2008 from 10:40:18 to 10:47:02 at night.

No wonder FactCheck sufficed left it a vague "spend some time" when the duration of the entire photography session took 6 minutes and 44 seconds.

If the embedded graphical information is correct, it means that FactCheck is lying about doing the photo session "recently" and may be lying about much more, since it would be implausible that "FactCheck" was even checking facts about the birth certificate in March 2008.

It is striking, too, that Newsweek reprints the FactCheck report under the organizational byline without the minimal scrutiny that one would expect from a serious news magazine. In effect it is an advertorial serving the interests of the Obama campaign, not an objective piece of journalist.

FactCheck itself, as a project primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly fits the bill of being a disinterested party, especially given Obama's four year stint as founding chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently being investigated due to its massive withholding of papers which document the catestrophic failure of the project, including public funds wasted under Obama's leadership, and his relations in that project with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers "

(Much more at link)

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

Jamie,

As I see it, one of the big differences between you and me,as Democrats, is that last December prior to Iowa when we both supported different candidates and when the results were still in doubt, I stated here (several times) that I was going to vote for whomever was the victor. Many of the Obama supporters said the same thing. And this was before the sexism, race baiting and mean MSM excuses.

I suspect that was because you never thought she would lose.

Jamie,

That sort of proves my point doesn't it. If Bush hasn't made any good judgments, why hasn't the D lead Congress stopped him? Because they lack anything that even resembles a pair of balls. I mean you can't have it both ways. You can't call the man stupid then back your party's Congress that has gone along with everything he has purposed. Although at first they say they fight for whats right, but in the end they fold like a house cards.

You forgot FD,

Only the G Man and his bunch know '"the truth". Everyone else is self serving and non-credible.

Jamie,

I accident xed out the last sentence.

"You and most Hillary supporters never did say those kind of things."

Rez

I'm voting for him because I'm a Democrat and after the last 8 years, we need a Democrat in the White House. I just don't like the way his campaign has treated her both during and after the primary season. The 3 AM email was just the latest bit of disrespectful snark.

Since Biden was my first choice, I like him as VP though I think he was picked because of the nose dive in the polls. As it stands now I just don't have a lot of respect for Sen. Obama because of the way he campaigned (though that could be Axelrod's doing) and that opinion probably won't improve until I see the makeup of his cabinet.

repost in entirety

Jamie,

As I see it, one of the big differences between you and me,as Democrats, is that last December prior to Iowa when we both supported different candidates and when the results were still in doubt, I stated here (several times) that I was going to vote for whomever was the victor. Many of the Obama supporters said the same thing. You and most Hillary supporters here never did say those kind of things. And this was before the sexism, race baiting and mean MSM excuses.

I suspect that was because you never thought she would lose.

FD

In many ways I share your opinion of Congress, but to call it a majority is a fallacy. You know perfectly well they don't have the votes to over ride a veto nor can they do anything about the signing statements that virtually destroy any legislation they may actually get passed.

I love this so much I think I'll keep posting it:

After receiving 18,000,000 votes, HRC was never considered, never consulted by the BHO camp to become his VP. Someone who likes to proclaim himself to be an agent of change, has kicked the female to the curb once again.

Remember, if HRC really wants to become POTUS, BHO has got to loose this election. Should BHO get elected, and do a poor job at POTUS, the country will vote R in 2012. HRC only real chance of becoming POTUS is to have McCain win, as he will be a one term president, only then will HRC can have a real shot in 2012, if HRC misses the 2012 election her next chance will come in 2016 when she will be 69. And you can thank Team BHO for this.

In other word ladies, Team BHO has screwed you royally. You'll not see a female POTUS from your side of the aisle in your lifetime. HRC had the best chance, and team BHO with the help of the MSM, trashed that hope of ever seeing the light of day. Your only hope is for BHO to get his butt kicked, then 2012 would look very good for a HRC presidency.

Jamie,

btw, I was just reading the July Rolling Stone article about Obama. Interesting behind the scenes look at his rise with the Dashcle crowd.

I also learned, according to the article, your buddy Axelrod was behind Slick's 'Bridge to the 21st century" motif. If true, strange bedfellows uh?

Hey jamie,

That is what those fools won with. I call it lying to get elected, because Nancy P knew that from the very beginning they couldn't deliver on all those foolish gimmick they called promises. Bring the cost of gas down, bring the troops home, end the war in Iraq. Such garbage.

""You and most Hillary supporters never did say those kind of things."

We never said it because we didn't think he was qualified to be President. For the most part we still don't. That is another reason I like Biden on the ticket.

No one has ever voted for the POTUS because of his VP pick. If BHO is that empty of a suit you might as well just write in Biden for POTUS. Maybe Biden would then ask HRC to be his VP.

FD

Don't worry about those promises, after the vote in November there will be more Democrats there to help out. :-)

Remember the Maine, Remember Pearl Harbor, Remember 9-11.

REMEMBER HRC!

"I stated here (several times) that I was going to vote for whomever was the victor. Many of the Obama supporters said the same thing. "

Rez -- Obama himself threatened that his voters would not support Hillary, but hers would support him.

Patsi,

I don't recall you saying last Dec (or ever) that I'm voting for whomever turns out to be the Democratic nominee.

Jamie,

As we know not all Ds are liberal minded. So don't count your chickens to soon. There are enough conservative D that will block any silly bill sponsored by Nancy P. She is caving into off shore drilling. Not wanting to see people suffer financially, but I would love to see gas hit $5 a gallon right before election day and hear her flapping liberal lips spouting about not wanting to drill off shore because she wants to save the planet. Has she ever stop to think how she could stop China from drilling 200 miles off Calif? Our any politician who is opposed to off shore drilling what they could do to stop any country from drill 200 miles of the US cost. The answer is, NOTHING.

Rezdog-------------------------

What if you were applying for a job and proof of place and date of birth were required -- would you be allowed to just say "An image of my Certificate of Live Birth is posted on my blog. Take a look at it." We all know what the reaction would be to that statement. That is what SoetorObama wants the American people to do -- take his word and that of some less than reliable organizations. Why not just make this and other documents available for examination. Is he hiding something? Why are we debating images on the net -- let's see the hardcopy. I've had to show my BC numerous times (btw born in same hospital as John Kerry). The Repubs are believed to have a copy of his COLB that has the name of Barry Soeotoro. I've been through this many times.

"Your guy isn't closing the deal."-Patsi,

Jeez, it's just starting. I'll use one of Jamie's old standbys.

"He's not even the nominee yet".

G Man,
The Facts check article said they went to his Chicago HQ and held the document.

Please - don't post less just because Spike counted the posts. If you post less, there won't be much to read. I scroll thru about half of the posts as it is. I don't think Spike was counting them for a nefarious reason - he was finding some facts about our blog. Spike is a good guy and has been fun top read. Please don't take his counts as a bad thing.

bethyboo.

You're in trouble now!. One too many posts for you. :)

Hey dog,

To bad Team BHO had to screw the pooch to get where he is. Agent of change my anunt mary's ass. Same old type of politician, say and do anything to get elected. Nothing new about BHO, except his inexperience on just about everything and anything of importance. .

I wish she hadn't caved on off shore drilling and that if it comes to the floor it will die the death it deserves. When the oil cartel uses the leases they already have then they can talk about off shore. The sooner we get off the oil teat the better.

If we put the American no how to work we will be able to come up with clean energy sources to sell and maybe the Chinese can stop killing off their population with their rampant pollution.

It would be great to have a year when the run off of pollutants into US rivers didn't create an ever growing dead zone in the gulf of Mexico.

Rezdog --------------------------

Please go to the link and read the article.
=========================

Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"

"FactCheck itself, as a project primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly fits the bill of being a disinterested party, especially given Obama's four year stint as founding chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge ... and his relations in that project with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers"

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, speaking with “FOX News Sunday,” also disputed reports of lingering divisions in the party, claiming the Democratic National Convention — which begins Monday in Denver — will show a united front.
“Senator Obama had a great conversation with Senator Clinton this week as well as former president Bill Clinton. Everybody’s on board,” he said. “And it’s going to drive the media crazy when we come out of this convention united. … Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, everybody that ran for this office is going to be united.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/obama-camp-blasts-mccain-over-ad-on-hillary-snub/

American Know How .... sheesh

G Man,

I've read the articles. Hell, I'm probably one of the few here who read most of your loony links.
I don't think Townhall or the II are hardly objective either.

I'll side with Pogo and suggest that unless someone credible has bonafide info to the contrary, then, he's been vetted to my comfort level and he meets the requirements of A2.

Rezdog-------------------------

The PROOF that he's hiding something is that he will not make the COLB (and other documents) available for examination by a panel of independent document analysts. What is there to hide?

There is one thing the Repubs are very good at -- opposition research. They are believed to have had teams in Kenya, Canada, Hawaii and Indonesia. The documentation they found will "destroy" not only SoetorObama, but take the Dem Party down with him. SoetorObama and the Dean Gang deserve it -- but not everyone.

"Please - don't post less just because Spike counted the posts. If you post less, there won't be much to read. I scroll thru about half of the posts as it is. I don't think Spike was counting them for a nefarious reason - he was finding some facts about our blog. Spike is a good guy and has been fun top read. Please don't take his counts as a bad thing". Posted by: bethyboo| August 24, 2008 5:24 PM

Bethy,

I'm glad you wrote that post. I think if it slows down, it will only be temporary. I hate it too when someone counts posts and then lists them. It just seems like another way to demean people. But I agree with you. Spike is a very nice person and I don't think that was his intention. I hope you and others continue to post often.

Have a good evening.

Jerusalem Post: Biden's ties with Israel,
Ex-ambassador to US Zalman Shoval: Biden sometimes thinks he knows what's best for Israel.

Although I have only voted for Democrats in the past I left the party after years of watching the far left make a mockery of common sense issues that matter to me.
Take Joe Lieberman, his crime was supporting the war and the wisdom to fight for his beliefs. If I can suffer and endure the tedious Dennis Kucinich then surely the far left zealots could tolerate a hawk in a blue state. Hillary, like Lieberman supported the bill calling Iran's Revolutionary guard a terrorist group which was extraordinarily brave in a contested primary. Biden voted against this bill which IMHO is a vote of weakness and poor judgement, which I believe will become apparent during the next administration. Obama avoided the vote, "too frightened" and all too eager to maintain his mantle and claim at being the new Neville Chamberlain.

For the record I like Joe Biden and wish he were on top of the ticket.
PUMA/Clintons4mccain

toast

Gordo, you make this site more interesting. Thanks

Sturg -- "spike.....your post percentage roundup would mean more if it covered a week's time instead of just one rainy saturday..........":

You're absolutely correct. However, I got bored reading all the gutter water spewing coming from the faggot-haters, racists, and feminazies that were posting at the time, and decided to crunch some numbers instead.

Thought it also remind people that Father Crawford is probably reading these 1000's of posts each day on his Blackberry. Glad it's not me...

Gov. Ed Rendell---calls it like it was-----

"Obama coverage was embarrassing"
"MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign...absolutely embarrassing"

Gov. Rendell at a panel discussion that included all 3 Sunday show moderators---Brokaw, Stephanopolous, Schieffer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html

The protests were exciting and we had a bomb scare in front of our hotel last night. I guess they detonated something in the alley behind our hotel because they were moving people around in the bar to get them away from windows. Wow, I have never seen so many uniformed officers, most in riot gear, in my life. It is not unusual to see a whole pickup load of SWAT go by.

If they rerun today's Hardball, I am in the second row in the front during the Harold Ford segment. I took some pictures of Harold and will post them on my blog when I get time. Now it is off to party, party, party.

'faggot-haters, racists, and feminazies' Spike

Nice Spike. Nice way to talk about the site.

A sobering view of the next 4 years----whether Obama or McCain wins.

"The next president will disappoint you"---Forget the promises: there's only so much a president can achieve. LATimes by Andrew J. Bacevich

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bacevich24-2008aug24,0,6727257.story

Dog's Eye -- Thank you for your kind words earlier. I have so much respect and appreciation for people in this forum, and for all the wide-ranging discussions we have. It's hard when the disagreements and tempers flare, but I guess that's part of the territory. Cheers!

Chloe -- I was just taking Jamie's advice to "get in or get out." (:>)...

If you go back and read yesterday's posts, I think you'd agree things reached a new low around here. It's obvious people are highly educated and articulate. I was just disappointed that those same people stooped to the level they did. I guess I wished people would sometimes just think before they typed. I can't imagine people would say some of the things they did to someone's face.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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Obama hits bottom, keeps digging: Annenberg, Ayers, Obama

"This will bury Obama, if the story makes the light of day. Thomas Lifson writes:

Clarice Feldman lays out the reasons why the William Ayers/Annenberg Challenge story will seriously damage the candidacy of The One. A sample:

...the story was that Ayers was an old professor in Mr. Obama’s neighborhood who just happened to host a fundraiser for him in 1995 which launched his political career.

The truth is that the two men worked closely together for years, beginning several months before that 1995 fundraiser."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/obama-hitys-bot.html

I can't imagine it either Spike, but is name calling your idea of "raising the level of rhetoric and advocating respectful dialogue?"

chloe -- just making my point about the level of rhetoric this blog "rose" to yesterday...If I didn't care about what's written here, I wouldn't have said anything...

Pizza's coming out the oven and the Olympics spectacular is about to begin...Gotta go -- Spike

I understand and didn't mean to sound like I was scolding. We'll all forget this and start over tomorrow. Enjoy the pizza.

DNC Media Swag Bag: Looks like they're counting on the newsies and bloggers to get sick -- Ibuprofen, hand sanitizer, tissues, vitamin water. MEH.

Wonder what the GOP is putting in their swag bags.

Dog,
Thanks for reaching out. I respect what you are saying. I guess many of us just have to agree to disagree at this point --
Cat

MD......I'll tell ya.........I must correct a misconception.......where I lived it was not about the black lady sacrificing her time for the folks up on the hill....it was about we were a community......my old man had a job at the shipyard which is why he came from allybamer so he had an income....it was not about the lady working for "the man" up at the "big house"........it was about a community of people getting by.......we lived in a shack.......a genuine tarpaper shack........and we all pitched in and accomplished what we could.......

Sturge- it sounds like you all had a good life, don't have to have a lot to be rich. Are you near Fripp?

I'm up the road from fripp........played the pianner there a time or two......

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-gearing-up-mccain-house-j.html#comment-132470

Jamie
You spoke for me with this post! I tell myself everyday,you can vote for Obama cause you don't want McCain.I continue with Obama's arrogance and lack of humilty could never be worse than Bush and his lack of any real governing exsperiance and on and on....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-gearing-up-mccain-house-j.html#comment-132500

Same with Obama, he thinks he can't lose ... and that will be a major factor why many reject his candidacy.

I could cross the line and then do a fine dance right on top of it.....the line is a schmoke.......line schmine.....

Just as the convention is about to begin, CNN is up with some pretty impressive pictures of a tornado some 20 miles se of Denver.

Sturge- A couple years back strawberry still had some affordable real estate- still true?

they filled strawberry fulla lead and dumped him on a north charleston street.......what the hell are you tawkin' bout?

"shortsighted and morally incorrect"

Let's see now. Hags, racists, bitches, feminazis -- not to mention shortsighted and morally incorrect. What's next? The c-word?

Patsi -- Don't forget faggot-haters. Although I don't think there are any of those in here, do you?

No. None of those here. But we have been called witches

Jamie -- Forgot the passive aggressive middle finger cheek scratch at the mention of HRC in the shoulder-brush speech.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-gearing-up-mccain-house-j.html#comment-132470

I'll cop to being a fag-hag -- and a witch. Is it broom time ladies?

I remember it well.
One of his worst moments.

Dog,
Thanks for reaching out. I respect what you are saying. I guess many of us just have to agree to disagree at this point --
Cat

Posted by: CatBalu | August 24, 2008 7:29 PM

Dog - same from me. Your tone was very pleasant.

I don't think I've said it yet, but I'm quite satisfied with
Biden - on top of his experience and wisdom, he's one of my favorite faces to gaze upon. He'll add to the campaign. It's the people who are running the campaign I'm worried about.

Chloe - no, I was not kidding re Spike. I was to Rez re
posting too many times, cuz I knew she was joking.
Spike's last couple of posts have suddenly become very critical, and then he specified three groups. If he was joking, that's fine, just not a very good joke. i'm not sure he was joking however.

Patsi -- I'm not short-sighted -- but as I get older I'm more and more near-sighted. Morally incorrect? Hmmm..it would depend on whose morals. LOL. And Bitch? Yes, definitely, I'll cop to that too.

B -- Babe
I -- In
T--- Total
C -- Control
H --- of Herself

Bethy,
I'm thinking he was just mad and hurt and made a mistake.

Jamie,

When the oil cartel?

I would love to hear who they are. If you are speaking of the oil company's here in the US, you'll note they only represent less than 10%.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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Obama failed to list other names he has used on his Illinois ARC registration

"Obama failed to list the name "Barry Soetoro" on his Illinois ARDC (Attorney's Registration and Disciplinary Record) , which was signed under oath with a penalty of perjury. See complete screen print here:"

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/005_Obama%20ARDC.pdf

http://obamacrimes.com/

Dog's Eye -- It was Spike -- for whatever reason:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-gearing-up-mccain-house-j.html#comment-132542

Sturge-Strawberry island, just in from fripp

Hey dog......why not just go and play patty cake over on back bannel and quit triyin to attempt to sound concerned......I mean really....

The problem is that some people here aren't qualified to condemn the behavior of others here, although they try. If you cause problems, don't expect others to feel bad about themselves because you say they are acting like kids instead of grownups.

that should be (governing experience.)

A lot has been made about Biden's lunch bucket credibililty because he commutes from DE to DC.
It's only five stops on Amtrak and there are multiple trains that leave from Wilmington to Union Station in DC. In fact it looks like every train that goes from DC to NYC stops in Wilmington. As far as it being an 1.5 hour commute - that's at least how long it takes for my neighbors who take the VRE train from DC to Fredericksburg. Driving takes even longer -- I-95 is a parking lot during rush hour. When I mentioned this to some of my commuter friends we all thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to move to Wilmington to get an easier commute to DC -- and really low real estate taxes.

Did anyone see the picture of Hillary looking at Obama on the lead picture on Drudge. If not, it's worth a look.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Y'all can't blame me for today's sturm und drang. I've been sacrificing like George W wants us to, by shopping. But somehow, you'll find a way.

hey md......schmuckface.....ua gotta name?

MD

I know this stands a good chance of p*ssing you off, to which I say tough sh*t.
The last night you enegaged in real dialogue with all comers, True much of it was your usual sarcastic way. But there was communication between people. I thank you. For me the last two weeks have gone a long way toward burying a certain troll known as byebye.
Thanks for the conversation even when it gets rough.

Jack

Hey Jack, you're welcome.

jack......grreat jumping jesus x crisht

MD ooops
I forgot to put a smiley face after that first sentence
;-)

Jack

Jamie: Yesterday you asked: "Do you feel that MSNBC trashed Clinton in order to get Obama and will now proceed to bashing Obama to get McCain?

"I don't, but I'm wondering about what you are seeing."

For the most part, thus far MSNBC/NBC has helped McCain mostly in a passive sense, by ignoring his multiple slip-ups and flip flops. Even when they do take note of, for instance, Lieberman's whispered corrections, mostly they make light of these incidents.

MSNBC/NBC has criticized Sentator Obama some, both fairly and unfairly in my point of view; they have not been overboard in either a positive or a negative direction (except for Keith Olbermann, who generally is more favorable toward Senator Obama and David Gregory, who is consistently filled with contempt when speaking of Senator Obama).

However, on today's "Meet The Press," Tom B. and Chuck Todd became less passive about defending McSame, claiming that Senator Biden's remarks about McSame's difficulty in choosing which of seven kitchen tables to sit around were just wrong, somehow, because he is such a hero who had no food on his table for five and one-half years.

I think they're suddenly uncomfortable because the seven tables offer tangible proof that McSame is different than most of us and has difficulty relating to most of us; previously, they could laugh off claims about McSame's being out of touch as those earlier claims were, perhaps, more subjective.

Tom B., in particular, seems inclined to wnat to defend 'American Hero' McSame and probably was very uncomfortable about Senator Biden's remark that we need a leader, not a soldier. He heard the ring of truth in it. He did not mention that remark, but I think he is beginning to understand that McSame's one and only claim to fame -- his five years of imprisonment some 35 years ago -- is being cheapened by McSame's use of it as a defense for everything and is, in fact, irrelevant in terms of his qualification to be president in today's world.

Andrea Mitchell, on the other hand, was once firmly in Bush's corner but seems to have shifted some and seems more willing to give Senator Obama his due.

Bottom line: Most seem to recognize that the status quo should not continue as it is dangerous for the country but have difficulty embracing a Democrat, feeling they must be loyal to the Republican party that has rewarded them so extensively.

Sturge

I don't have to like a man to talk with him. But he at least has to make some effort at communication. a serious part of such effort is to ask questions and to share experiences. He did both last night, something that the troll byebye wouldn't have done.
Will I take him on for some of the stuff he puts out there, yes. But I am willing at times, to communicate a POV with him and he has demonstrated that at times he is also willing.
For a blog that is about all you can expect.

Jack

Jack

Hey Sturge
Dinner last night was great --ribs!
Today big lunch...a friend now living in Turkey was here with friends from Turkey on their first visit to the US. So we had all foods from the Americas...including Turkey. Plus three folks -long term resident of SF--but Irish. All of the foreigners think Americans are - a strange combination of prudishness and porno....and that we are definitely politically schizo.
For dessert I made bittners. The ice cream speciality of my youth. invented in 1931 and named in honor of a delivery boy. This is a secret mixture of vanilla ice cream, chocolate sauce and pecans from a special supplier in Georgia. The end result is a dessert which has the consistency of a milkshake but is too thick to drink.
http://home.netcom.com/~ellisonj/icotaggarts.html

"Any guess as to who Powell will endorse?"

Hillary?

Hey, it could happen. just ask Gordo

Jack

Let me address some of the comments that have been made by reiterating portions of my original posts.

"Given the amount of snipping, name calling, and in general, unrespectful comments, it's amazing to me any "outsiders" care to join the discussion for fear of being ostricized by a bunch of insensitive narcissists..."

"Come on people, we're a bunch of educated, articulate (most of the time) adults. We're here but for the grace of Craig Crawford, and I would hope we could have an intelligent discussion as a matter of course instead of as an exception..."

"If you go back and read yesterday's posts (Obama-Biden), I think you'd agree things reached a new low around here. It's obvious people are highly educated and articulate. I was just disappointed that those same people stooped to the level they did. I guess I wished people would sometimes just think before they typed. I can't imagine people would say some of the things they did to someone's face."

"My original point was that raising the level of rhetoric and advocating respectful dialogue should not be seen as something that should be discouraged. It would seem to me by being more inclusionary, the depth and interest in discussions here would be even better than they are now."
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The post that seemed out-of-character for me was out-of-character. My purpose for writing the words I did was to serve as a wake-up to make people reflect on what was being conveyed (at least by some) in this space. From the comments that have subsequently been made, I believe, at least in part, they have accomplished their purpose.

This will be my last post on this subject. I look forward to continued spirited dialogues as we move toward the November general election.

With my best regards to everyone -- Spike

Prof Marcia wrote: "When people accuse Obama of being an elitist, I believe they mean more
intellectually disconnected from the "lunch box" blue collar workers, not
so much that he comes from wealth."

You're right. Elitism is a synonym for "educated." Many blue collar workers understandably resent those who have education beyond the 8th or 12th grade and who have consequent opportunities.

But of course the Republicans can't come right out and denigrate "education," so they deride public figures who aspire, and they choose people like Mr. Bush, who -- despite his years in school -- come across as proudly definant ignoramuses. McSame, who finished at or near the bottom of his class, has no problem appearing inarticulate.

One comment, only slightly related to the topic of the article: I wonder about true motivations of the Obama supporters who lurk around every politically-related article waiting to pounce on any Hillary supporters who dare to post something. I was (and still am) a proud Hillary supporter who is giving my full support to the Democratic nominee, despite the fact that he wasn't my first choice. The only thing that's going to be accomplished by attacking the people that haven't yet 'come on board' is pushing them further toward putting John McCain in the White House ... and there are enough of them to do it, alongside the votes the Republicans can traditionally depend on. Let up already! Let these people vent; if they're not greeted with hostilty, arrogance, or elementary-school-playground immaturity from Obama supporters (which, all too often, they are), they'll come around and make the right decision in November. If they are ... then you have no one to blame but yourselves for another 4 years of Republican mismanagement. Isn't putting Obama in the White House worth keeping ourselves from stooping to childish, 'we won, you lost' jeers???

Spike - I hated the posts yesterday as well, but I thoroughly disagree with your tactic for waking us up.
You haven't been here long enough to get a solid over-view of the personalities so have no standing in my book to be telling us to shape up, or even to wake up. If someone sent out a 911 call for a superior being to come straightne out this den of faggot-haters,racists, and feminazis, I for one didn't know about it and doubt anyone else did either.You accused mainly the women and a few of the men of being the problem here, and I resent that.

Your last word on the subject?
I think you are going to find a lot more to dislike here because yesterday was pretty common. I have written many posts to try to stop it, as have others, including Craig. I came very close to calling you a name or two in my earlier blog, and that's the first time I've felt like that - but I think I'm the only one you bothered. You aren't going to change this place, and basically it doesn't need to be changed. Some people stay here and some leave when they don't like it, but no one changes it - it is what it is.

Johnny, this has been covered pretty well by RebelliousRenee. Obama beat Hillary. People here still supported Hillary. That irked Obama supporters. Obama picked Biden, people wish it would have been Hillary. That irks Obama supporters. Until people here fully back Obama, Obama supporters will still be upset.

Dog - sorry to have to disagree, but I don't think Spike is
a neutral party.

"Isn't putting Obama in the White House worth keeping ourselves from stooping to childish, 'we won, you lost' jeers???"

Not for the Clinton haters, for them it is all about thge Clintons. Kinda funny in a way.

Jack

Johnny - Corey hit the nail on the head, but so did you.
Thanks for your post, tho. It's not often we skanks and our guys get to read something other than how ueless and stupid we are.

I think things have gotten better here. A lot better.

"It's not often we skanks and our guys get to read something other than how ueless and stupid we are"

Bethy, you just made me laugh. Thanks.
Johnny and Corey - you are great. You too Bethy.
Everyones great.
nite

"Some people stay here and some leave when they don't like it, but no one changes it - it is what it is"

And it is the only real discussion group I've seen on any blog. While we can all dream of things that would improve it, most of our ideas would kill it. I stay for one reason. I get many different ideas with a minimum of flames.
But your point is good and as all of us who post regularly know there is an ebb and flow to the site. Many of us adjust our schedule accordingly. If you are going to hang around here after 8pm you had better wear a flack jacket.

Jack

NO PATSI! I hope you're not talking about yourself.
This site needs you.

Maybe it depends on the manner of how one vents. Either you didn't have a need to or have "come around'" very carefully.

Why Don't You Love Me - Hank Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3DlUCUUsE

Jack

Patsi, with the type of behaviors they exhibit, they'll just bequeath your shroud of vulnerability unto some other poor soul.

BTW

Spike
I take nothing back that I said last night, if you found my comments among those that were offensive{shrug} get used to it. If you want to call me out then do so but this blanket condemnation is pure BS, IMO

Jack

"Any guess as to who Powell will endorse?"

Hillary?"

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"Hey, it could happen. just ask Gordo"

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If the Hillary operatives/PUMAs can get the same documents that the Repubs are now holding - it could happen. But they need to dump the "dirt" from SoetorObama's "hidden" past early in the campaign. I don't know the procedure for replacing the top of the ticket. Fox News reported that Biden received something like 9500 votes in the Primaries compared to Hillary's 18 million. Don't see how Biden could get the top of the ticket instead of Hillary -- then the Powell endorsement.

Rezdog; 1:05 pm......."Obama has a big job", Why? In an election year where the Republican stamp is absolute poison, and the dems are winning everywhere, he should just be able to waltz into office, except for 2 things, his elitest arrogance and his backroom manipulations with the DNC. I don't think anything but a psychologist could help his ego, or are they going to blame that on Hillary too. I hope her and Bill take a holiday........Brazile said it, the Old Guard is out, the New Guard has it handled........yeah right...Good Luck with your New Party.

Mr. Crawford........I wanted to add a favorable comment to your interview from Denver yesterday. Also to say that if the inuendo was intended I absolutely loved it, if it wasn't, I loved it anyway................

Rita

Hey
He comes when called.

Jack

That's it . . Vent away Rita. You'll feel better. Get it out of your system. . There now... .

Bethy...

This isn't meant to be contentious, but Spike has posted on Trail Mix for longer than you have. He just took a hiatus for awhile...probably because he was working.

LOST HIGHWAY by Hank Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcIgQWdWWag

Jack

I was watching a McCain TV ad and does anyone else think he looks and sounds like the crypt keeper?

Patsi
No way!! Think of the pleasure they would get in driving you away..That's what they want and they know who they are,total devotion to "The One" or get out of are way..Patsi they will never knock you down and if by some chance they did you like Hillary would get right back up and keep fighting for are right to be heard...

dead ringer pun intended

Patsi..there is no need for you or others to leave.

Ignore the knotheads!!

Identify your own list of those who regularly are abusive
Don't read the posts of knotheads
When you realize others are responding to knotheads,
skip the post.

When you are playing verbal tennis with the knotheads, I skip the rest of your posts.

You might try this ignore the knotheads idea. I really enjoy the blog concentrating on all the respectful people.

Daily Hee Haw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPD-4HZtahM

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dems-gearing-up-mccain-house-j.html#comment-132633

Jack
Ditto

I spent a nice, rainy day in Portland today.

I wore my Hillary pin and received several complimentary comments.

The clerk at Whole Foods told me he wishes more every day that he had voted for Hillary.

Saw a good movie today, The Rocker..not too sophisticated, but fun.

Please stay, Patsi. We love you so. Don't go. Our lives will be so empty without your...what is it that you contribute positively to this blog anyway?

To paraphrase Tuco from the Good, The Bad and The Ugly when a man started yammering about waiting years to shoot Tuco, but ends up getting shot himself: "When you have to go, don't talk, just go."

If not, you're just saying it so you can get a daily dose of "Woe is Patsi" sympathy.

Dog
Were Mr.D's comments on Spike's list?Were mine counted?I don't recall seeing them,but I could be wrong?

Bethy
I like this place too.I used to get real angry at the horrific things said about Hillary and her supporters,now not so much.I know the posters that do it and in a way have become desensitized to it.I do still get bothered by the attacks on the people I like but most of the time they are strong in responce and it makes me feel whole again.I hate when good people are driven away though as happened to Viv last week.I also don't like being lectured to and wish I could see those posts coming I would skip them...I think this is a great blog warts and all...

Dog
Thanks.

Bethy...

I think you're making a snap judgment about Spike. He's a very intelligent man who brings a great deal of knowledge to this blog...a college professor, I believe, and one of the Iowa trail spotters who provided great data and information throughout the primaries. Zoey is another. I think what he's trying to say is that he doesn't like wasting his time in a forum where so much petty in-fighting goes on...and who can blame him!?! That really shouldn't be what any of us are here for. Then again, I don't think it's incumbent on you to keep trying to tell people what words they can and can't (or should and shouldn't) use when posting. But...as you so often say...that's just my opinion...to which I am entitled.

The expectations game.

The dailey gallup has Obama and McCain tied at 45% each.
What is the bounce Obama will have coming out of the convention

Kerry got no bounce in 2004, The big dawg got a 16 point bounce in 92. The average bounce is a little over 7 points for a democrat.

So what is your forecast. Cookie Roberts predicted a double digit bounce. I think that with all the undecided and weak supporters that a double digit bounce is possible but I'm going with a conservative 9 point bounce.

Jack

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past ???
And a Biden connection.
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"Joseph R. Biden III, (right) son of presumptuous Democratic Vice Presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden II, through his Deputy Attorney General Susan Dwyer, threatens to seek a life sentence in a Delaware case that the Attorney General for Delaware has repeatedly refused to provide any documentation or discovery as requested and as is required by Delaware law."

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

Raven - my god, you are right. He does look like a crypt keeper. I think it's that pale skin - it's even more dead-fish-belly white than mine.

Dog - I don't think I saw my name listed on Spike's list, but I also think I got on line late. I don't know how/if you counted me, I'm supporting Obama but just not enthusiastic about politics now after being screwed in the last two elections. That democratic depression from 2004 hasn't left me. I am also a supporter of Hillary, tho. I hope I don't qualify a a fly-by-nighter.

What your break-down seems to say, I think, is that most of us aren't crazy about Obama the man or the campaign, but most will vote for him. With that being said, the question arises again, if Obama's fervent supporters dislike us so much, and if they can't stand to have decent conversations with us, why are they here? They seem to enjoy the Back Channel and I think that's great. I don't post there because I suspect I won't enjoy it so much, and I simply can not intrude on their spot and criticise them.

What has bothered me so much is those three foul foul words he lobbed at the majority here. The various hate-filled insults that have been thrown around here have been bad, but those three are not sane. They have no place here, or they shouldn't.

So, dog, have you got any ideas why those who are so abused here stay here? You don't particularly agree with us but don't seem to paint yourself as a victim.

McCain "House" jokes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/heard-any-good-john-mccai_b_120505.html

let the drinking begin!

Yes a Drag Queen named Donna Rice was probably in the audience,maybe a Gary too...But DONNA SUMMER headlined at The Hollwood Bowl last night.. Oh what it must been like at the clubs in West Hollywood ...Disco Fever and all inspired by Donna ...Read this and weep NY man...

There is good reason to believe that Donna Rice was a Repub operative. A pick-up and then a set-up. Gary Hart was completely fooled - never suspected anything.

The most over used and probably misused word of this campaign season is "stagecraft"
I approve of three strikes and you are out for pundits.

No bones for Fin. He did get a very nice steak bone the other day.

Bill Kristol shouldn't have even been allowed an at bat.
Dog thanks for the link to balloon-juice.com but it should come with a warning to put down any drink you might have in your hand

You know, I could really care less if people like the discussion, hate the discussions, are offended by the discussions on this blog.

All of this bellyaching over a blog. If it's that upsetting to you, here's a suggestion: walk outside, look at the sky and talk to someone in the real world.

Face it. People come here because their drawn to the drama. I wasn't really posting today, so you can't blame it on me, but I don't hear much about policy around here. The great majority of you moan about the Lost Clinton Cause and how youse was done wrong. We Obama supporters are incredulous that you have the nerve to call yourselves Democrats (or even Clinton supporters for that matter) and contemplate either not voting for the Democratic nominee or by taking your cookies and staying home.

And before you give me one of your "I'm holding my nose, but voting for Obama" comments Jamie, realize that in reality, Obama folks really don't care. We simply like exposing you for what you really are. Petulant folks who wear a cloak of "we's been done wrong" no matter the truth of the situation.

So as for all of this angst about how blog is going downhill, or people leaving, save it. Because for many of you, this blog is only "civil" when there's an echo chamber proclaiming the impending beatification of St Hillary of Clinton. Here's a reality check. Hillary is going back to the Senate where she'll be the junior Senator from New York. A footnote in history, right along with Samuel Tilden, the Bull Moose Party and John Anderson. But at least she didn't go in debt...oh..never mind...

A noun, a verb, and POW.

KGC & dog, That was my favorite.rofl

Mr.D
Oh boy you have this drive-by thing down!! I'm not a Democrat and I will vote how I want! I don't care how many names you call me.I will vote for Obama because it will be close here in Florida and I don't want McCain and your name calling will not change my mind,although it's sure tempting sometimes.I don't like Obama! I didn't like John Kerry or his wife but I voted him because of Bush.I have every right to like or dislike any politicans that I want to and discuss them, this is after all still America!Continue on with your slams..I still enjoy some of your posts,like the one you responded to from me last night.Thankyou for that!

HW - I'm not making any judgement of Spike, snap or otherwise. I'm forming an opinion of him based on the only things I "know" about him. He may be very intelligent and possess a lot of knowledge, but the same is true of me. As you just agreed with me, we share a right to have opinions.

I admire his work in the political and election fields, but since I have contempt for the dnc, it does not do anything forme.

I agree with you as to what he was trying to say, but I thought his tactic was ill-conceived: that was my opinion which I conveyed to him. After being back on the blog for a short while, he chose sides. He let us know he saw the Hillary supporters s being the problem with the nastiness here. That was his opinion and his right, but his mistake was the ugly words he called those he thought were at fault. He said it was to wake us up - as if most of us haven't posted about how the wrangling was depressing. He deigned to instruct us as to how we could best improve the blog. He was condescending and insulting. My only quarrel there is with those three words and his accusations against those people who met his three words. I agree with him about the fighting here, but I like the fighters better than I like Spike's words and accusations.

Again, I agree with you that it isn't incumbent on me to tell people which words they can/should or cannot/shouldn't use when they blog. You do seem to think it is incumbent on Spike and yourself to correct me and others - hmmmmm. It seems to me you are granting yourself and Spike and perhaps others a right you don't want to accord me.

In addition, I don't tell peoplewhat words they can/should or cannot/shouldn't use in their posts. I have named 4 words which I think are horrible and hate-filled and undeserved, those three we got today and "fucking morons." I hate the words and don't think they contribute to understanding, but I never told people not to use them. I said I thought they were horrible.
Once again, my opinion.

So, Spike, how is your master plan working for you?

Bethy...

I didn't take Spike's post as directed only toward Clinton supporters. Not sure why you did. Perhaps I missed something, but I took his post as an effort to say that some are making substantial contributions to a less-than-desirable outcome. If that was his intent, I agree with him.

You're right that I was, in a way, correcting you. Frankly, that's because it irritates me when you constantly remind us of your right to your opinion. That said, it's your right to post whatever you choose to post. And you certainly do get a lot of support for such posts. My opinion of your posts asserting your right to hold your opinion will probably irritate you. And so it goes...on and on...round and round...like a circle with no end....

Good Morning.

I am getting quite tired of this, but once more I will say what I feel.

Yes, I was an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter
Yes, I was extreemly upset that she lost this close race
Yes, I think the media let to the demise of the campaign
Yes, I still feel that Hillary is the strongest candidate to beat John MacCain in November
Yes, I think both Hillary and Bill were treated very unfairly during the primaries
Yes, I know Obama has made this a racial primary (we in Fl and NC have the proof)
Yes, I certainly feel that Nanacy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile did everyhthing they could to end teh Clinton dream

BUT,
I am not angry or Hurt or whatever

The primnaries are over. It is gone, basta, finito, keba!
I have moved on and moved on good.
But that doesn´t mean I will be voting for Barrack in November. If this primary has taught me one thing, it is that I have to look beyond any party for a president. I am not just voting for DNC, I am going to vote for a president. DNC has let me down and it opened my eyes to the truth. And the truth is that DNC doesn´t represent me anymore. I cannot see myself within DNC anymore. So the next step is finding the person who can represent me. And in this election (post primaries) I have not met that person yet.
So, I wil skip i tand sit this elction out. Not out of anger, frusttraion or hurt that Hillary wasnt nominated, but because none of the candidtaes has what it takes to be presdient of the USA. This GE I will NOT vote.

Is it so difficult to understand that?
I can´t fall in line behinf BO because he (in my humble opinion) doesn´t nearly have the minimum requiries to be POTUS.

I think what DNC needs to fcus on, instead of crying that the HRC women and man are hurt etc etc etc…is to find a way to win in November without playing the blame game.
Shut the fuck up DNC and your personal trolls and do what is in your power, within what is tolerable, and win…because from what I see, this is going to be a lost cause, in a year that democrats should in fact steamroll through the general election.

So there. And please people on this borad…. I urge you, stop telling me that I ma bruised or hurt or whatever. I am not . This African American brother is doing extremely good and fine.

And guys stop taking (personal) insults form the yadayada
When I see certain names I don´t read...It´s pretty easy.
If you think some or demeaning and trying ot be ugly, just move on. It is silly to continue to read.
This blog is ok. I come here when I please and read what I want. Stop saying that this blog is going downhill beacuse it is not.... It may be going downhill because we give "airtime" to people who only have on thing in their heads. Trying to out muscle others with the typing of insults behind a keyboard.
Wake up and smell the macaroni....That is the only thing they can do.

So l let them dwell in the sunlight of their words, it is the only thing they have.

Now...
let us enjoy the convention, for what it´s worth...... :-)

Hapy to read by the way that HRC is releasing her candidates Wednesday.
Oops, more trouble for BO, the latest poll numbers are not inspiring.

Jason.I enjoy this blog. Since I've stopped reading posts by four people and don't read posts responding to their drivel, the place isn't too bad.

The convention is opening with even his most dedicated followers realizing that he is an empty suit.

Every time he stands next to Biden, he appears vapid and inexperienced.

Like you on this blog.

Oregon Democrat: Vapid and inexperienced perfectly describes WBush in 2000, along with airhead and cretin.
Bush decided to saddle-up on the neocon cult-movement and here we are. WBush listened to Cheney, many millions came to realize it was Cheney who was pushing the buttons and WBush was just a talking parrot.
Now we have Biden. Biden is kind of a short-tempered crackpot on some foreign policy issues, but he's also wise enough to guide Obama when Obama comes to listen to advice.
Biden is no Cheney neocon...those days are soon to be over.
We have no way of knowing, but I do not believe this will be a faux-Obama presidency, with Biden in charge.
I happen to think that McCain will pick Romney, but if he goes with Lieberman, we'll have a clear choice of whom to cast our vote for, and that's a reasonable candidate with a knowledgeable veep, or a crazy old coot with a mad bomber for second banana who will immediately call for bombing all of Israel's neighbors.

I cannot state quantitatively enough how much I loathe Joe Lieberman. This creep states publicly how the USA should have already bombed Iran. Lieberman is a snake, a disloyal opportunist who is so full of hatred himself he wants to take it out on anybody who has differences with the Zionists.

When Gore chose Lieberman, I felt sick..

Dex,
I asked Craig on the live show a few days ago if Lieberman would be accepted by the GOP base. Craig said it probably wasn't even legal in some states for a dem/indep to be on a GOP ticket. But McCain had evidently asked about Lieberman legality. Craig seems to think that Lieberman and Ridge were just talking points and no more.

Julie

...we can only hope so, julie young! Of course Lieberman is speaking at the repugg Minneapolis convention....

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