Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Morning! Anyone in here? Hellooooooo!

Craig -- Looks like you're having a good time at the DEM convention! Are you going to the GOP Convention?

ROFL sturge....

Dennis Kucinich's line about Republicans was supposedly stricken: “They’re asking for another four years — in a just world, they’d get 10 to 20.”

Why in the world would the DNC be censoring that line?

Unity?

advance picture of the set for Obama's big sprechen:

http://z.about.com/d/cruises/1/0/9/l/3/Athens030.JPG

Sturge -- Good one! But please-- was Michelle really sitting next to Tah-RAY-zah? Good grief! That is one haughty woman. I hope Michelle isn't taking charm lessons from her.

Michelle may be taking investment lessons from Tah-RAY-zah. I am sure she has big plans also. Cindy would be a better mentor

alicia......I'm not sure, it could just be malicious gossip.......lol

The CNN and MoJo crowd this am is making a lot out of the columns on the set for the speech tonight.

Are there going to be people sitting behind the stage? That's a big stage to have to sit behind.

Hey Patsi!

This was a fun diversion this morning. Can you guess all of them? I only got 7.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/interactives/tv-themes-quiz/

I have not liked Tah-Ray-Zah ever since she sicced her private security goons on me for trying to take her picture at the VA JJ dinner in 2004. Elizabeth Edwards, that same night, posed graciously, and asked me to snap another picture to make sure her eyes weren't closed.

Another gift from Bush and Company

Bankruptcies Soar for Seniors

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1836747,00.html

Jamie, just another loophole for Shrub to close.

Bill Clinton "supports" Obama ('cause BO is the Dem nom), but he "loves" Joe Biden. I think the opening statement said it all. If he thinks BO is ready for the job, why did he bury his lead?

Can BO just admit to being America's spokesmodel & let Biden handle things? I might be able to get behind the ticket then. As it is, I still have absolutely nothing solid to go on with BO. Bill Clinton giving an amazing speech doesn't dissuade me from my concerns about the Dem nom, after all, Bill is a flip-flopper.

If it weren't for his pattern of being so grandiose, I don't think people would be making such a big deal about the Greek columns in Denver. Birthplace of democracy, ya know. (Greece, not Denver...Denver is the birthplace of an omlet.) Plus, you can' t use the same decorations for a banquet hall that you would for a child's party in a backyard. But since BO is positively W-esque in personality, it wasn't a great move.

Mika's worried about being seen as biased for being amazed a the history-making nom of BO? Uh, once again, if it weren't for a pattern of pro-BO bias...

Loved The Daily Show pointing out what a blowhard Olmbermann has become. I saw the exchange with MoJo when it happened the other afternoon, but had missed Tweety going after him. Good for you, Chris Matthews. Good for you. Schuster has become a little KO-wannabe, too.

And, at the end of the week, the best person for the job did not get the Dem nomination, but will head back to the Senate & get ready for 2012.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_bi_ge/china_iraq_oil

Meanwhile, our lanes of transport start to choke.

http://www.startribune.com/local/27550659.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7EaDiaMDCiUT

President Clinton's coif was over the top. The only think it lacked was a blue tint.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-134834

Sturge, Beautiful critique!

The Master Has Arrived
"As for Bill Clinton's speech, halfway through I thought: The Master has arrived. Crazy Bill, the red-faced Rageaholic, was somewhere else. This was Deft Political Pro Bill doing what no one had been able to do up to this point at the convention, and that is make the case for Barack Obama."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121988803885278541.html?mod=todays_columnists

good morning gang....

Big Bill was brilliant as usual....
he hit all the right notes..... after the last 2 nights I hope the "Clintons are only in it for themselves" crowd has been silenced....

now on to the hard fight......

oh yeah.... the Red Sox won again!

BO still has to make the case for himself. I don't know who he is, I don't know what he stands for (really), and I don't know what he would do as prez or how he handles a crisis.

Bill Clinton is great. Hillary Clinton is great. Joe Binden is great. After tonight, BO will have given two speeches...

The write-in ballot.

To all you loyal HRC supporters:

Remember all those questions, doubts you had about BHO, well they have still gone pretty much unanswered. As Ann Price-Mills, the woman in the CNN video clip said, 'would you appoint someone who just graduated college, one who lacks any experience, the CEO of a major company?' The major company we are talking about here is the United States of America.

Why are the fervent HRC supporters lacking the courage of their own convictions. Why is it you will not write-in HRC's name? Why are you letting the DNC, MSM, and Team BHO roll you? Why are you so willing to accept the lesser of the two, when you know full well HRC stands heads and shoulders above BHO on all the major issues? Why are you following in lockstep to the orders of the DNC? You don't really want to vote for BHO, but you will vote for him because you fear writing in HRC name will throw the election to McCain. Here is a bit of news for you, McCain is going to win this election, this country is not about to, in times like this, throw itself behind a person who has little or no experience, a total unknown quantity, as Joe Biden said, "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training". Make no mistake about it, should you HRC supporters follow their conscience you'll still lose, but at least you lost fighting for the person you believed in, and not for some cardboard caricature cut-out of a candidate you were told you had to vote for thinking this will make you a good D. It doesn't make you a good anything other than a head nodding, non-thinking follower, a robot.

Take a look at the following list of candidates who also ran in 2004. Do you really think their supporters thought for a moment their candidate had a chance of winning? Of course not, but they voted their true heart felt convictions. Wonder how many of the self proclaim Socialist on this blog have ever voted Socialist in the any election?

Ralph Nader Independent 465,650 0.38%
Michael Badnarik Libertarian 397,265 0.32%
Michael Peroutka Constitution 143,630 0.12%
David Cobb Green 119,859 0.10%
Peace and Freedom 27,607 0.02%
Walt Brown Socialist 10,837 0.01%
Róger Calero (b) Socialist Workers 10,800 0.01%

Think how great it would be come the day after the election, to see HRC had received 10% of the votes she received during the primary, or 1,800,000 votes. What a wonderful notice to the almighty DNC, and MSM, that you weren't all willing victims, that some of you actually took matters into your own hands and voted for the person you truly wanted to see elected POTUS, and not some PC nominee your party is ramming down your throats. If you really in your hearts of hearts truly want to show the world that your belief in HRC is real and not just hype, then come this November do the correct thing, the brave independent thing, the more time consuming thing, write-in HRC.

Flatus -- Don't you be talkin' about my DAWG now. His hair looked just great.

What I'm wondering about is the macrame friendship bracelet he seemed to be wearing on his right wrist. Unusual -- must have a meaning.

Claire McCaskill was on Scarborough, saying that, in her speech, MLRO needed to let people know who she(MLRO)really is.

Someone(here) was quoting Maya Angelou yesterday(or maybe two days ago).

Here is another MA quote, that(IMHO)applies to both Obamas...

“When people show you who they are, believe them . . . the first time.” ~ Maya Angelou ~

Alicia, you know I'm one of his fans. Didn't notice the bracelet.

I thought his speech was not so good as Sen Clinton's. He's at his best when he starts with a simple theme, builds on it, and continues building until it reaches a crescendo. I didn't feel that last night.

For me, Mrs Obama's facial expressions were the highlight of the speech.

Mark Warner was terrible.

Spielberg's video was awesome--the highlight of the night for me.

I couldn't bear to watch the roll call. (Thanks so much for your post of a couple days of ago on how state laws govern delegates voting.)

I simply don't think I can ever again identify myself as an establishment democrat after this year's crass manipulation of poor we.

I'm a tree-hugging, bleeding heart, card-carrying liberal. An Eleanor Roosevelt Democrat. Just no room for me under this tent.

Lots of REALLY nice Convention Pictures

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/26/slideshow_dnc_day2/?refid=0

big sigh of relief when i checked out this link getting a backstage view of the "temple" and saw that, thank glue, it wasn't composed of the five pillars of islam (sorry about that gordo) but has 12 columns...4 corinthian and 8 doric... more on the colonades at u of va designed by jefferson. o's campaign has a flare for classic hubris.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/08/021339.php

Flatus --

Yep. Mark Warner did not have one of his finest moments. He really needs to work on that oratory. I've heard him do better. I also heard that he was somewhat flummoxed by the DNC speech writers that wanted him to pound on the GOP. That's never been his style, and so he refused their speech and pulled out his stump speech. Which is the result we all saw -- warmed over stump speech, delivered by an uncomfortable, unrehearsed speaker.

Michelle does know better than to make faces -- she just chooses to do so anyway. Tres mean girl, but not very professional or First Lady-ish.

Bill's bracelet in this photo -- http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44965000/jpg/_44965024_bil_512.jpg

could that be a medical alert bracelet?

Patd, Nice Video!

Alicia, I was looking for that bracelet and couldn't find it - thanks

Good morning,all. I'm off to an amusement park for the day. Not sure what time I'll be back tonight.

http://www.miadventure.com/

Good morning all!

Fry Daddy- thanks for your thoughts. Writing HRC in had been my intention until last week- the 3AM text put my over the edge. Will keep your post in mind,

Flatus- Why were her facial expressions the highlight of the speech for you? I was TRULY surprised that she didn't do a better job hiding her feelings during Sen. Clinton's speech. I would have thought that enthusiasm and graciousness would have been included in the new Michelle.

Corey, Have fun!

"Writing HRC in had been my intention until last week- the 3AM text put my over the edge."

Sea, What changed with the 3AM text?

Alicia,

Webb's response to the State of the Nation a couple of years ago was a mark of independence that I thought went marvelously.

But, there's a tremendous difference between doing that in front of a camera with encouraging direction from the stage hands, than stepping out in front of crowd of 20k, many of whom could care less that your on the stage trying to say something important.

It's got to be absolutely deflating.

OSH, I sensed that she had no idea that she would like the speech, and that as he took around each bend of the road, her pleasure burst out. I thought her emotions were transparently authentic.

OSH

I think with Michelle what you see is what you get. She doesn't have a pokerface. If she is worried it shows, if she is mad it shows as with joyous, sad, proud, relieved.
So the look on her face tells us the Obama folks were worried that Clinton would pull a ted Kenndy. after the Big Dog's first sentence her relief was apparent..

Jack

...took her around...

Flatus
Michell can't play poker.

Jack

Jack, surprised Harvard Law didn't have a moot court that would cure that.

Fry, your finger pointing at women is taking on dog's pedantry.

I noticed last night that CNN was getting bored and was starting to speculate on McCain VP.
Not good. The Obama campaign needs to get some meat for the monster. It needs to be fed or it will wander in search of food.

Jack

Who is the McCain VP choice?

BW

We don't know, reasonably certain it won't be lieberman as they have an event on Saturday, I think.

Jack

Chloe- It was a huge nose thumbing to Clinton and her supporters, showing neither sensitivity nor concern for unity .
Flatus & Jack- Aha, That makes sense. I was so aggravated with her facial expressions the night before I guess I blocked her out and just focused on my Big Dawg!

Patsi,

My post today was addressed to HRC supporters, it didn't specify sex, age or race. I will grant you that most HRC supporters are more than likely 40ish plus, white and female, and yes it is her female supporters who have expressed more outrage over this dog and pony show.

"It was a huge nose thumbing to Clinton and her supporters, showing neither sensitivity nor concern for unity "

Sea, I agree.
But how did it change your decision on writing in Hillary?

Who is the McCain VP choice?

Colin Powell?

Craig Crawford man on the street interviews --nice touch!

Too bad there won't be anyone at the Gooper convention - looks like Ahhhnold is taking a pass!

Don't think so Fry. But we'll know tomorrow.

Alicia

That was fun. I got seven as well. Of course they were the seven I watched. :-)

chloe,

I take your reply to me a possible maybe? lol

Lindsay Graham

Fry,
I don't think he'll choose a General.
From what I've read, he's been considering Romney, Pawlenty, and possibly Lieberman. But we could be in for a surprise.

Flatus

Lindsay Graham? Are you an Frydaddy playing a game where you try to top each other with the "least likely."

Lieberman???? Why not just go with Zmell Miller (he's still alive right?)

I think he is going with Tom Ridge --although the Kay Bailey Hutchison float is interesting (guess Liddy is too old now)

Read McCain and Hutchison can't stand each other.

JM doesn't need a military person for his VP slot, JM fills that slot, he needs a high profile successful business person.

Bill Clinton's bracelet - Auspicious

http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/bill-clinton-wrist-bracelet.html

I think Hutchinson is a tease to the Puma types.

Jack

McCain's Pending VP Choice
http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/011368.html

"JM doesn't need a military person for his VP slot, JM fills that slot, he needs a high profile successful business person."

Lfike Romney?

Jack

I hope you are right. I cannot stand to listen to her. For a long time I have thought it would be Romney but as it gets closer I think McCain's calculation is to fight it out in the midwest and I think Ridge is the best bet. Although if it were me I would still go with Christy Todd Whitman and blame Rudee for all the 9/11 problems.

I saw the same CNN segment discussing the Mc-VP with everyone on set glued to their blackberry phones....yet, no name is surfacing. We knew it was going to be Biden (I think KGC told us) a few days before the text announcement. I am surprised the repugs can keep this a secret.

Here is a name I heard mentioned last night.

Sarah Heath Palin, Governor of Alaska.

Chloe- My intent went from showing my support of Hillary to doing what I could with my 1 vote to prevent Obama from becoming Pres. Flatus has giving me food for thought saying that he won't win anyways, so let history reflect her supporters. I'll be watching the polls closely, if it's tight I'll make my vote count.

Palin has been in the mix for awhile and she has a great story and would be interesting. She smoked pot when it was legal and has no problem with it.

chloe,

"Like Romney"

Well that would be one example of a successful business person. If there is such an animal, and to counter Biden's 25 or 30 years in the Congress, I might look for a former Congress person who went on to becoming a successful business person.

"I'll make my vote count."

That's the direction I've been going too.

"I might look for a former Congress person who went on to becoming a successful business person."

Any names Fry?

Isn't Ridge Prochoice?
That would set off a rebellion at the convention, something McCain doesn't need. Why anybody would chose Romney is beyond me, he was a very poor candidate in the primary. I would go with the fresh face that could deliver in the midwest. Is there any Republican in Ohio that is not in jail? So that leaves Pawlenty, who looked very good on TV this morning.

"Palin has been in the mix for awhile and she has a great story and would be interesting."

Katherine, He might be really smart to choose a female.

Is there anyone under the age of 60 in America who hasn't smoke pot, legal or otherwise?

Palin would be interesting purely from the trivia standpoint. The last two states into the union, Alaska and Hawaii, have their first native born candidates for Pres and VP at the same time.

1959 was a good year.

FD

There aren't too many people still alive who haven't tried it at least once.

"So that leaves Pawlenty, who looked very good on TV this morning."

Yes Jack. And he's young. Could be a good thing for the ticket.

"The last two states into the union, Alaska and Hawaii, have their first native born candidates for Pres and VP at the same time."

Sounds good Jamie.

Chloe, I know Gordo gets a lot of guff around here, but I do believe the repubs will come out with something, don't know what or if it will be true, doesn't much matter, as long as they can create a question in voters minds. So I'm hoping their tactics will create enough of a gap that I will be able to vote for Hillary!

One little guys opinion

Palin exactly the veep McCain needs
"But most important, Palin could do something few Republicans seem interested in or able to do these days: Help fuse the two pillars of the Reagan Revolution, traditional conservatives and libertarian Republicans."
http://www.adn.com/opinion/compass/story/481970.html

"I do believe the repubs will come out with something,"

Truth or lie, you can count on it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-134869

Flatus -- Did you mean Warner? Webb wasn't the speaker on Tues. night.

chole,

Thinking chloe, thinking. They would have to be in their 50's, good looking, with a charismatic personality, a family person stilled married to his first spouse, a church goer even when the press isn't following them around, 2 children a boy & girl, hopefully gifted in academia, sports and the arts, they own their own home in a middle class neighborhood, do their own lawn work, no debt, drive a 5 year old Volvo that has been converted with a all electric motor, and a older model Toyota Prius, are loved by their neighbors and their community, regularity help out at the homeless shelter, and are big into charity giving, and his business is the sole tax base for the town. Still thinking.

LOL Fry.

smiles back. At least you get it.

"and yes it is her female supporters who have expressed more outrage over this dog and pony show."

Yes, Fry, and most of them are tired of lectures.

sea; 8:45 am..........."the new michelle". Now that they've made sure that Hillary is no longer the first lady of the campaign, it's up to MO to get out there and promote her old man, how are they going to turn her from the Stepford wife they've made her into, to the pit bull she truly is.............Maybe they should send her to Pennsylvania, WV and Kentucky to tell them how proud she is of them..........

What on earth gave these people the idea that they could be so disrespectful to the only successful democratic presidential couple in 50 years, treat them like dirt, until they were NEEDED, I said NEEDED. The Obot campaign and the DNC, pelosi et al are really disgusting...............

Are we sure that the columns at the field are not the "Pillars of Heaven" or the portico of Mount Olympus?????...............

Rita

FD

And the wife holds multiple PhDs that allow her to home school the kiddies.

Hey Rita, especially in light of the Clintons' performance the last two days, it is all quite inconceivable to me. I feel like I've entered the twilight zone.

"Yes, Fry, and most of them are tired of lectures."

Good one! lol Patsi

btw,

Bob Barr would be a good choice for you osh.

"I feel like I've entered the twilight zone."

Sea! I'm always saying that! I thought I was the only one who ever felt that way.

Mental Picture on how to lighten up tonight.

Have Sen. Obama stride onto the stage with about 10, sqeaking, flag waving R2D2's in his wake spreading around the stage to make fun of all the "exalted one" noise.

Rezdog-Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not a conservative as I have stated many times I have been a lifelong Dem.

Watch out for the lightning and heavens to open tonight. The messiah is about to be crowned.
One word:
CRAPTACULAR

julie

Chloe- I've been saying that for months too!
Jamie- lol!!

"What on earth gave these people the idea that they could be so disrespectful to the only successful democratic presidential couple in 50 years"

Rita, they weren't thinking past the Primary.

Chloe

Judging from all the juicy anon quotes the media gets, a number of them still haven't moved beyond the primary.
Jack

Good Morning all

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121988803885278541.html?mod=todays_columnists

Chloe ,Thanks for that WSJ Peggy Noonan piece.I can't believe she actually wrote those nice things about Hillary!Jamie if you haven't read it give it a look.

Cory
The park looks like fun.I thought you were going to Cedar Point,didn't know about that park..Enjoy..You deserve it!

Wow, I have to say the young delegate from Arkansas was really nice and I am not just meaning eye candy. He was so sincere and excited and a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and ALSO a strong supporter of Barack Obama. His enthusiasm reminded me of my first experience in a Presidential campaign, working as a volunteer in the Seattle office of Mondale/Ferraro. I bet it was his first convention and I am sure he'll carry it with him forever.

I want to thank almost of you today, even when I haven't the time to post or anything to say, I check in and enjoy your comments and find myself especially glad to have this source this morning .

"Bob Barr would be a good choice for you osh."

Nah -- if anyone votes for an indie it ought to be Cynthia McKinney, she may be a part-time crackpot, but she did slug that Capitol cop who grabbed her. Gotta give her props for that.

n addition to Olbermann, MSNBC personalities Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and David Shuster were involved in Denver controversies.

On Monday evening, Olbermann interrupted Scarborough while he was talking about McCain being competitive in the polls. “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?” Olbermann remarked.

On “Morning Joe” the following day, a clearly agitated Scarborough went off on Shuster during a discussion of Iraq, which quickly devolved over several cringe-worthy minutes into personal attacks, such as Scarborough telling the world how his colleague missed the show three times by oversleeping. "Are you Rip Van Shuster?” Scarborough asked. “Have you been sleeping for the past couple of months?”

But Scarborough, a former Republican congressman from Florida, became enraged when Shuster made a reference to “your party.” Asked by Scarborough what his party was, Shuster said he was an “independent.”

"I feel so comforted by the fact that you're an independent,” Scarborough said, in a mocking tone. “I bet everybody at MSNBC has independent on their voting cards. Oh, we're down the middle now.” (Shuster left the set, but returned later to hug it out, "Entourage"-style.)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12900.html

Morning Load and the loadettes

Patsi,

"Yes, Fry, and most of them are tired of lectures."

Maybe, but abuse is abuse and it come in many different forms and shapes. You can color this with any color you want, use a different size brush, try burying it in your backyard, but it is what it is. Different people handle abuse differently. If I am wronged I will seek out my pound of flesh, others have a different approach, I'm sure you have your own way of dealing with things. Writing-in HRC come this election is a just remedy some may wish to use to get their message across.

Tony, I'm glad to see you're back.

Jack, Yes. It's time to get focused.

That Strickland joke about Shrub is hilarious:

Born on third and then stole second.

The other Noonan quote worth reading, "She will not be the president of the United States the next four years, but she can ease herself into the role of Teddy Kennedy-esque fighter for her issues in the Senate."

jamie,
"And the wife holds multiple PhDs that allow her to home school the kiddies"

No jamie that would be a D's wife. Remember we R's like to keep our wives in the kitchen and pregnant. Don't you read your own propaganda?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-134930

Chloe
Your not the only one! I just told my Aunt last night,if someone had told me a year ago the that I would be a registered Independent ,well I surely wouldn't have believed them! I don't know anyone in my family or circle of friends that was a stronger Democrat than I was,its truly an amazing and yet SAD election for me....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-134944

Fry, I agree with that post. We all handle abuse differently.
For me, it's simple. I don't reward bad behavior.

"we R's like to keep our wives in the kitchen and pregnant."

I always heard it was subservient in the line from God to man to woman to child and the man got to tell her what God wanted.

Tony, Good. We need to change when it's necessary.

jamie,

"She will not be the president of the United States the next four years,'

That is Noonan's way of saying, BHO will lose this election.

jamie,

"I always heard it was subservient in the line from God to man to woman to child and the man got to tell her what God wanted."

Opps forgot that one.

"She will not be the president of the United States the next four years,'

Wow. I didn't catch that 4 year thing.

Hey Chloe
Posted this at the end of the last thread,I don't know how to repost it...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-base-closing-ranks.html#comment-134756

Thanks Tony! I don't know how I missed that.
You had me worried when I didn't see you for a few days.

Good video -- listen to SoetorObama. For once, he speaks the TRUTH. His own words and "hidden" past will be devastating. Dems have done it again! The Repubs are going to enjoy taking SoetorObama apart. I'm sure Hill and Bill will be cheering on the Repubs. It'll be fun to watch the Obamabots in complete turmoil. They'll be asking themselves, "What happened?" This could even end up with SoetorObama doing some jail time -- wouldn't that be great! The Dem Party is now on the fast track to destruction -- deserves it for backstabbing the Clintons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nA1MwOE86U

PUMA

That's the TicketJoe Biden finally changes the subject away from the Clintons.
"Barack Obama and Joe Biden became running mates five days ago, but it wasn't until Wednesday night that they became a ticket...."

"... Bill Clinton......He praised Obama relentlessly and took care of the one omission from his wife's performance the night before: Calling on his experience during eight years in the White House, Clinton vouched that Obama was ready to be commander in chief. The only way he could have endorsed
http://www.slate.com/id/2198744/

Thanks everyone. Later.

Bill's speech was magnificent !!! I just watched it on NYTimes.
After listening to the speeches given by both Hillary and Bill, I find it unbelievable that people are still attacking Barack Obama, especially those who seem to think that right wing conspiracy websites "prove" he isn't who he says he is, and those who think "they'll show them" by voting for John McCain. It's your right, but I wish these people would get a clearly sense of what's really at stake here. If you need further info, watch both Hillary's and Bill's speeches on NYTimes online.

"The only way he could have endorsed Obama more enthusiastically is if he'd kissed him."

missed part of the last sentence

GORDO,

Simply amazing! Words have meaning, and I can see where the D's will say well that was said in the heat of the primaries. OK I'll give them that, but since then what has changed about BHO? Nothing, he is the same inexperience, do nothing person now as he was then.

Jamie,

Are you using a saw these days? I'm more fond of an ice pick, but each their own.

Eurotom- I think we've all stated enough times our reservations and concerns about Obama as well as the new direction of the Dem. party. If you need further information to understand the views of the dems who aren't falling in line you could check out past posts on heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/ , she has been very vocal about the process.
I am not surprised by the phenomenal Clinton speeches, they have always been good Dems and expected them to perform as such.

This is a McCain ad. Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs thinks it's his best yet. Of course, McCain's ads will be very mild compared to the 527s. The American people are going to learn about the real SoetorObama and they'll not like what they see and hear -- his "hidden" past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHVrQOlApp4

PUMA

KGC -- http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-134943

This morning on MoJo I was sure that Joe was going to slap the sugar bowl out of Mika's hand while she was pouring it on her grits.

There is something fundamentally wrong with sugar on grits, so he kinda had a point.

Today's thread on the blistersyeahbutchannel

Keeping the Divide Alive!

"Most people Thursday will be talking about former President Clinton, whose standing ovation went on and on before he spoke a word."
http://www.csmonitor.com/patchworknation/csmstaff/2008/0828/a-big-night-for-the-dems-and-clinton-but-biden-shows-his-appeal/
how did the bc standing ovation compare to others demonstrated at the demcon? i haven't heard much about this today. imho, it was very touching, very moving.

The creators of JewsVote.Org, which went live on Monday, acknowledge Obama’s relative under-performance with Jewish voters and aim to learn its causes.

More importantly the Web site, created by The Jewish Council for Educational Research, seeks to counteract the Internet-spread rumors (most prominent among them that Obama is a Muslim) that most analysts say is one reason Obama is running about 62 percent in polls of

Jewish voters. That figure is above his standing with most non-African American groups but well below the Election-Day performance of recent Democratic presidential candidates.

JewsVote.org, according to the Web site, will “take on the rumors using the same networks used to propagate them.”

“We want to find out: Why are Jewish voters one of the only traditional Democratic groups whose support is going down?” said Mik Moore, co-director of the project. Moore, on leave as chief communications officer for the Jewish Funds for Justice, was the creator of Operation Bubbe, which sent young Jews to Florida to stir up support for John Kerry’s 2004 presidential bid. “And we wanted to provide an effective, easy-to-use set of tools that will enable people to counteract these rumors.” (Moore is on the board of The Jewish Week.)

The Web site allows users to create personal networks — an Internet function that has become a part of the daily lives of younger users, in particular — and use them to disseminate information about Obama to friends and colleagues. In an environment in which forwarded e-mails are a favored mode of political communication, the Web site allows users to choose from an array of pro-Obama e-mails and send them to their networks.
http://thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c37_a13286/News/National.html

from the creators of Operation Bubbe...I love this.

"This is a McCain ad"

That's your idea of an ad G Man?

His campaign doesn't even run these on a paid basis. They just create them in hopes that the cable news folks play them, They also depend on reich wing groups and their member to put them out on blogs like this one.

Patd

The BC ovation was something else. He practically had to beg them to stop so he could get on with the speech that he tried to start about three different times.

Neal Boortz is doing a good job of tearing SoetorObama apart. Finally, Frank Marshall Davis is being mentioned -- but it's the CP-USA info. Haven't heard anyone talk about the really "bad stuff" - could be difficult to do on the public airwaves.

PUMA

Fry -- you aren't getting my point, either. First of all, if TN allows it I AM writing in Hillary. However now I find that there are some tricks to that whole deal. If I can't, I'll vote for McKinney because I don't want the rest of my down ticket Democratic votes thrown out.

Craig's picture still isn't in the running ribbon of MSNBC personalities. Maybe we need to be nicer to them.

Jamie

Craig is just going to have to start kissing a little harder;-0

Ya know if it wasn't for the good folks in here I wouldn't even know MSNBC existed.
A few months back the cable company shuffeled the channels around. I've never remembered where they put it. It is no longer on my speed dial.

As for the folks that tell me Fox is an acceptable substitute?
LOL, sure it is.
They are both the same any more. I just wish CNN would take up the mantle of hard news with a world view. lol
Like that is going to happen.

Jack

Looks like the weather in Denver is fine for Obama's event.
I wonder if all those nutz are still praying for rain.

One of my friends from the Denver Indian center emailed me and said their group was planning to perform a special "No Rain" dance this morning. I hope they remember all the moves. rofl

Rezdog --------------------

Then you can rest easy -- nothing to worry about.

SoetorObama's destruction by his own statements and associations from his "hidden" past will be a pleasure to see. When the Repubs go into full attack mode -- watch out!!! The Obamabots won't know what hit them.

PUMA

Rez

Is there a hurricane dance for next week?
The idea of a hurricane hitting during the gooper convention with split screen reporting would be fabulous.

(Of course it should be lots of sound and fury but very little actual damage)

KGC,

Let me go look in the book. LOL

"Then you can rest easy -- nothing to worry about."

If they're depending on people like you, I'm booking my flight and rooms for the Inaugural festivities.

Jack- Where do you get your news?

Jack,
Be sure to include the G Man or you'll hurt his feelings.

"Remember we R's like to keep our wives in the kitchen and pregnant. Don't you read your own propaganda?"

You know, Fry, back in the 70s some of the strongest feminists I knew and worked with were Republican women. Many of them a generation older than I was. Very smart, very politically savvy. The party divisions meant very little then.

About them hurricanes

Looks like the US could get hit with a 1-2 punch first from Gustaf
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at2.shtml?5day#contents

and later in the week Hannah
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5day#contents

Rez

I've actually been enjoying Gordo this week. In a dancing bear sorta way, if you get my meaning.

Jack

"I just wish CNN would take up the mantle of hard news with a world view. lol Like that is going to happen."

If it wasn't for BBC America and Lehrer I wouldn't know what was going on.

CNN is okay for generic repetitive headlines, sort of the TV version of Associated Press with an occasional good documentary unless you want real depth and MSNBC is the left wing twin of FOX News

Rezdog ------------------------

The tone of your post reveals how you really feel -- worried!

Rush is on the attack -- going after the SoetorObama/Ayers connection. Doing a nice job of spreading the TRUTH about this part of SoetorObama's "hidden" past.

PUMA

It isn't that he is doing it well. It's just that he is doing it at all.

Picking Colin Powell would give Obama Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, and the entire Confederacy, as the segregationists who were lured to the republican party by nixon's southern strategy in 1972 would either stay home in 2008, or vote for bob barr.

Jamie
And if ya got enough beer, it's entertainment.

Jack

OSH

NPR radio, it is on around me almost all day

and on line
McClatchy
Bloomberg

NYtimes
Washington post
Wallstreet journal

And a whole load of specialty blogs.

Jack

In case you thought your grocery bills were too high

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSBKK27922820080828?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

G Man,

My candidate just capped off a long hard campaign with a nomination and given this weeks' activities I'm in a rather upbeat mood. Plus, I've been enjoying Jamie's riff on your BS the last couple days.

Excepting my comments directed at you and your continued mis-information (being kind), I thought I was being jovial.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
Obama Muzzling the Media

"... Obama’s camapign has turned its full energy to shutting down any media focus on his relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Obama’s ludicrous claim that Ayers was just some guy in the “neighborhood” is being exposed systematically for the lie it is. In fact, Ayers was a mentor and close associate for years and was instrumental in launching first his professional and then his political career. Obama has systematically covered up their links and lied about them."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/28/obama-muzzling-the-media

Out of Iraq by 2011. Troops redeploying from Iraq to Afghanistan now. Gustav on the way. Catch he-who-shall-not-be-named in a cave & take care of the victims of the next hurricane...BO's worst nightmare is the GOP cleaning up some of their messes before November...and gordo.

Sorry G Man. . You're didn't make Jack's list.

Jack, I like the notion of the dancing bear, but I keep thinking about those old road runner cartoons when I think of Gordo.

Back to the ACME Blog you go G Man! Drag out another smear.

Greece is also the birthplace of Genocide. Under Pericles, the democratic people's republic of Athens killed every man, woman, child, and pet - every living thing - in Mytilene, their ally, for objecting to Athens' bossiness.

They also gave Socrates the choice of execution of suicide, and sent the flower of their youth to conquer Syracuse in far off Sicily. The army of young men sailed off to fight and die. Only one returned.

Throught he millenia, the 'classicists' and 'romantics' both have idealized an ancient Greece, particularly Athens, that has little to do with the grubby, greedy, bloody reality.

"The Big Dog can still hunt..... Barack Obama has great reason to be grateful to Bill Clinton today...."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/28/uselections2008.clinton?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Observations:

Peggy Noonan is a big bag of wind...

Those who felt the Clintons are not loyal to the party just don't get it and never will..

In Oregon, like most places, write-in votes are tallied and posted..

Joe Biden did well in his speech..

The Clintons were great of course..

MSNBC seems to be imploding..I have great sympathy for Tom Brokaw..

I think Craig should end his participation with MSNBC and become affiliated with CNN..a much better fit..

Ignore the Knotheads!

"Obama Muzzling the Media"

Oh, really? Muzzling NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, BBC, AP, Reuters, Bloomberg, Time, Newsweek, and the Onion ?

Even muzzling abc, fox, newsmax, national review, commentary, standard, chitribune, and wsj that are all unashamedly republican shills?

GORDO, you are bringing ridicule upon yourself. Sober up.

Gallup..O +6
Rasmussen O +1
With Leaners ..Tied

xrepublican,

How are those good ole boys down at McDonalds?

comeon, guys, give gordo a break. he's just the messenger or linker loiterer. it might be more effective if you go to those links and blast away directly at those with whom you disagree, deride or disdain, those who create and spew the stuff, rather than gordo the linker.
it's been helpful to hear what's lurking out there, to become prepared and not be blind sided when it hits the fan.

You know, we Clinton supporters were really pissed off at the antics of the MSM and some of the overly enthusiastic Obama supporters who were painting Mr. Obama as the "chosen one". We found such caricature to be naive and unfair. We were offended by the attitude that his New Politics was so exaggerated that people acted like he could walk on water. Our anger at this was understandable.

By the same token, the constant drumbeat of all these "conspiracies" regarding Obama, the "secret videos", Mrs. Obama supposedly attacking 'whiteys' and now this conspiracy of a 'hidden past' of Mr. Obama is just as disgusting. True Clinton supporters remember how outraged we were at the mistreatment of her. We should be just as outraged at these character attacks on Barack Obama's heritage, attacks on his character, and his eligibility to run for President. Just as I was pissed at anti-Clinton posters on this and other blogs, I am just as much offended at the crap GORDO and a few others feel compelled to spread around attempted to fertilize their paranoic suspicions that he is out to destroy the Democrats and beyond that, our country. IN fact, I am MORE offended now because Hillary and Bill supporters have enthusiastically made the case for Barack Obama but some people retain such hatred that they can't hear what is being said.

GORDO, you are a disgrace!

I was just watching MSNBC, because John Legend was being interviewed.

I wonder how many people are actually going to the convention tonight, just to see the concert featuring John Legend and Stevie Wonder.

President Clinton did a masterful job. It was conversational, folksy, and witty. It was also a litigators summation for the jury, restating the evidence and putting that evidence in an understandable narrative. Having given the reasons for the jury to find in favor of his client, he closed the deal: You have to choose for America and her children. You have a choice between Hope or Fear, peace or war, prosperity or poverty, a bright future or the dead past, between Obama, Biden, and the Democrats, or more bush, cheney, and mccain incompetence, neglect, and corruption.

Once again, America owes thanks to Bill Clinton for his kindness, his competence, and his ability to persuade Democrats and Independents - the regular people - to do the right thing.

SoetorObama's Info Suppression
========================
Obama Campaign Harasses WGN Radio Host

"... the Milt Rosenberg show was the subject of a wave of hostile attacks from followers of the Obama campaign because Milt had the nerve to put on his show Dr. Stanley Kurtz (left), a journalist and conservative intellectual who writes for National Review Online. Dr. Kurtz has been writing a series of articles on Obama and, in particular on Obama’s political activities while in Chicago.

Most recently, Dr. Kurtz has turned his attention to ... the relationship between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers (right) particularly on the $160 million six year long Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) from 1995 to 2001.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/diamond-points-obamaayers-update-obama-campaign-harasses-wgn-radio-host/

Speaking of music....

Didn't anyone else besides me think it was incredibly tasteless to play "Addicted to Love" as Bill was leaving the stage last night?

patd, if "being prepared" was GORDO's intention that is one thing... but it isn't. He has made it a personal passion to find anything and EVERYTHING written by the most spurious "sources" possible and to attack constantly even when the process is over. If his intention was to help the dems gather info from the evil right wing conspiracists, he wouldn't end each ridiculous post with his PUMA sign off. He has lost what little credibility he had on this blog and probably elsewhere too. He is so consumed by his hatred that I am sure he scours all the blogs possible to post this crap.

In place of PUMA I would use the letters GLOMA

GORDO's LUDICROUS OBAMA MANUFACTURED ATTACKS.

grow up Gordy.

jeejee that's hilariousl! However, it is better than the old song...

"I love only one girl, one I got my arm around, I love only one girl, one in every town"...

Euro -- Save your outrage for something more important than Gordo. He's just a conspiracy nut.

Afternoon, all.

Been at home with sick kid - some sort of virus the doc thinks - he doesn't feel too bad, doesn't have any real symptoms I associate wtih virii other than intermittent fever, but it wreaks havoc with job, etc.

Did catch a bit of the convention speeches last night - Big Dog done good, as did Biden. They set a high bar. Don't know who came up with the faux capitol portico idea for MHS, but it looks hokey to me - hope Barack has a toga.

Good point Patsi... thanks :)

jee jee

"It's a Beautiful Day" by U2, was played last night, as Clinton was leaving the stage.

For Jeejee and others... Mr. Elvis Presley

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=93BQZWzNi3Y&feature=PlayList&p=4823999367DBAEA1&index=4

FryDaddy,

Those unsheeted klansmen are fit to be tied. Of course, they hate at the Clintons so hard that that their hemorrhoids bleed. They muttered today about the 'Liberal media conspiracy" that ruined gingrich's and bob barr's attempt to remove Clinton from office. I think they feel that if only the trial in the Senate had convicted Clinton, then he wouldn't have been able to make that extraordinarily effective speech.

There were other mutterings about those n****rloving Hollywood Liberals, Spielberg and Hanks.

They have been asking each other if they ever saw so many "darkies" as are at the DNC. They said on day one that DNC stands for 'dam' n****r's club.' So, that's the news from frank rizzo town.

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/its-official-the-great-temple-of-the-obama-nation-the-barackopolis-is-the-new-8th-wonder-of-the-world/

Pogo, he does have a toga, & looks darn good in it, I have to admit.

Heating up the Cold War. Cheney's guy being accused to engineering Georgian mess

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html

LiL

I am guessing probably quite a few. But just like lunch down at Sally's, you have to sign up and hear a little of the sermon before you get served your sandwich.

lol. It seems to work for them.

I guess it was at the beginning, then, LL. But it was a stupid thing to do.

Barack Obama and Bill Ayers relationship.

Team BHO's response to the current attack ad saying that BHO was only 6 or 8 years old when Ayers was in the business of blowing up government buildings. Obviously that isn't the relationship the ad is referring to, but that is how Team BHO responded. Maybe it is just coincidence, but a number of BHO associations have the propensity for hating the US while at the same time enjoying all it's freedoms. Such a conundrum BHO's life has been.

lol, jeejee. The halo's a nice touch, too.

Whoever said it's the south portico of the WH - says who? After a while one greek facade looks like the next.

oooh nooo
puma's- don't drink the koolaid! lord knows what will happen if you do.

HRC was FANTASTIC! it was a 'presidential speech'

WJC, did what he had to do, and he did a good job.
I love him, but i still can't do as he asked.

just don't trust the BHO

Fry
That should read Obama , the city of Chicago and Ayers relationship.

Oboma's response answers the ad very well. Obama did not have a relationship with the bomb throwing radical but with the educational expert willing to help with problems in the neighborhood.
I believe that Obama's response to such nonsense is " I will work with the devil himself, if it will get one child an education and set him on a path out of poverty"

Jack

FryDaddy , sorry but your credibility on this issue and a bus token together would give me a bus ride.

If "guilt by association" was the law of the land, there would need to be a helluva lot more prisons in America then there are now. Please show me where Barack Obama has shown that he hates America.

Guilt by association has been used on the Clintons by your candidate... Remember McInsane was very much behind the impeachment of President Clinton. He might be a maverick, but he is also a partisan lap dog no matter how "independent" he tries to present himsel

You almost wonder if losing Tim Russert really allowed all the infighting to bubble to the surface.

According to Gallup
It is the Hillary Clinton bump

The latest three-day Gallup Poll Daily tracking average (Aug. 25-27) is directly coincident with the first three days of the Democratic National Convention in Denver, and is no doubt beginning to reflect the typical convention "bounce" that Gallup has observed in most party conventions in recent decades. There is a lag of sorts involved in the daily tracking; interviewing is conducted in most parts of the country before that evening's high-focus speeches have taken place. Thus, the current three-day average would reflect any impact of Monday night's speech by Michelle Obama, and Tuesday night's speech by Hillary Clinton, but would not completely reflect Wednesday night's lineup of speakers, such as John Kerry, former President Bill Clinton, and vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, nor the appearance on stage at the end of the evening by Barack Obama himself. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008

I believe that would be the HRC bump

Jack

Just don't trust the BHO
Posted by: NelsonDecker | August 28, 2008 2:04 PM

Oh c'mon... how many politicians can people REALLY trust anyway? I think the most trustworthy President we had in modern times was President Carter and people skewered him over it.

EuroTom -------------------------

"He has made it a personal passion to find anything and EVERYTHING written by the most spurious "sources" possible and to attack constantly even when the process is over."

Actually, I post only the mildest info about SoetorObama's "hidden" past. I just don't feel comfortable posting some of what I've learned about his "hidden" past. You can find that info on other blogs.

The process is NOT over! Many PUMAs feel as if we now have a new goal -- a massive defeat of SoetorObama and a purge of the Dean Gang from the Dem Party. It's Hillary 2012.

PUMA

xrepublican,

I know just what you mean look at this.

Questioner: Can I ask you something on that point? If you were to look at the educational results of schools in Iowa, you would find that they're some of the best in the country. Washington, DC, pays teachers substantially more, so clearly there's more to it than just we're not spending enough money.

Answer: You have to start off with what they start off with. There's less than 1% of the population of Iowa that is African-American. There is probably less than four or five percent that are minorities. What is it in Washington?

Questioner's Reply: I think it's the vast majority.

Answer: Yeah. So, look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with. When you have children coming from dysfunctional homes, when you have children coming from homes where there's no books, where the mother from the time they're born doesn't talk to them, as opposed to the mother in Iowa who is sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts off with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three. Half this education gap exists before a kid puts a foot in the first classroom.

What do you make of the answer?

GORDO... "not comfortable posting some of what [you've] learned"...

LOL... oops excuse me ... *cough, chuckle, *SNORT* ... slapping my leg now.

Thanks Gordo, that's a good one..

JeeJee

Last night I played, "When I'm not near the girl I love, I love the girl I'm near" in his honor.

I think he does love his wife and heart surgery may finally be keeping him closer to the hearth, but he wouldn't be Bill if he ever gave up flirting.

Pogo

At first look it is funny, but the collard greens in the left hand is a bit too much and should have been left out.

jmo

Jack

Funniest giveaway: The pink ''Protect Yourself from John McCain'' condoms from Planned Parenthood.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=14

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-135053

Fry, I'll chime in. It is a conflation of the characteristics of poverty and of minority, almost completely full of stereotypes unfairly applied to AAs and other minority househholds.

EuroTom -------------------

Think what you want. I'll not post or even link to this stuff. You can tell from my posts what subject matter I avoid.

Jack, you sure that's not supposed to be arugula?

Then there is a master seducer: Petruchio is Kiss Me Kate

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ui18maOq0

ET,
You seem alwful fixated on Gordo for some reason. Why don't you leave him alone and ignore his posts. He has as much right as anyone else to be on this blog and I woyuld much rather read the conspiracy story stuff than some of the other crap that is posted here.

Personally, I have a simple neighbor that hears this stuff and asks me whether it is true or not. I like to know what is out there, no matter how outlandish.

Off to Invesco field in a bit. I will try to go see Morning Joe tomorrow since they are next door to my hotel and Wes Clark is scheduled to be on. The downside is they start the show at 4 a.m. I wonder if I will be back from Invesco by then.

Craig,
I hope I sent the picures to the right email...used the one I have used before. Let me know if you got them.

"I guess it was at the beginning, then, LL. But it was a stupid thing to do."
--jeejee

When President Clinton was introduced, last night, "Don't Stop Thinkin' about Tomorrow" was played. ;~)

ET;

"Please show me where Barack Obama has shown that he hates America."

Yet another product of public education. ET it would help if you actually read what I wrote before getting your panties all in a wad. I didn't say BHO hated America now did I. What I said was, "Maybe it is just coincidence, but a number of BHO associations have the propensity for hating the US while at the same time enjoying all it's freedoms. Such a conundrum BHO's life has been." Just bad luck in picking friends.

Ayres is still nor repentant for blowing up government building with total disregard to human life. I think he is famous for saying something on the order of, 'we didn't blow-up enough buildings.' So much for the educational expert willing to help with problems in the neighborhood.

Pogo,

Thanks for your reply. Still waiting for xrepub.

Yes public education is the worst thing possible. Our country was so much better off when only the elites could get educated.

good afternoon gang....

Pogo.... sorry about little pogo..... hope he's well enough to go back to school tomorrow.....

I spent all morning in line at the department of motor vehicles in order to renew my driver's license...... thank god we only have to do it once every 5 yrs here in NH..... bureaucrats are like men..... you can live without them, but they are a necessity every now and then..... :)

In a participative democracy process is more important than outcome. (F. Ohlfahrt, unpub., 2008)

"ET,
You seem alwful fixated on Gordo for some reason. Why don't you leave him alone and ignore his posts. He has as much right as anyone else to be on this blog..."

Yes Zoey, and so do it. And it seems you have missed the meaning of what I wrote. That's ok.

Of course I could offer you the same advice re: my posts as you do for me on Gordo, but that's being silly.

Have a nice time out.

ET

Pogo

How do I know what what arugula looks like. Next you thing I know you will want me to describe endive.
It just looked like collards that I have raised to me.

Did a google image search and you're right.
In fact I found where they stole the image
http://fruitseasons.com/arugula

Jack

Pogo, ditto on making kid healthy.

Time to setup a children's clinic at the old law firm.

ET,

Catholic school isn't for elites. Now public school would be bettered served if they actually taught and kicked out the deadwood of those who call themselves teachers. But the Teachers Union wouldn't like that very well, now would they?

In a participative democracy process is more important than outcome. (F. Ohlfahrt, unpub., 2008)

Posted by: Flatus | August 28, 2008 2:32 PM

Flatus that's an interesting concept. It's something that I see happening in Belgium within the judicial system. Judges are not interested in the outcome of particular crimes conducted by suspects. Their first and only priority is to protect the judicial system itself. Process more important than outcome. As I recall that happens also in the USA but here it is an absolute!

I'm tired, and off now.

OBAMA 2008

I didn't think those looked like laurel branches. I've never seen actual collard greens, though. At least, not the uncanned variety.

Jamie, I agree with you about Bill. I think that Hillary loves him too, in spite of everything.

Renee, thanks. So do I, so does he, so does Mrs. P. It's more annoying than anything. And I'm not sure whether you or I had a worse morning - actually, I take that back - you did.

Fry, No prob. There are plenty of correlations, but my belief is that the strongest correlation re: educational achievement is not race but income level.

I see the bigot has spoken again.

Fry Daddy I think teachers are the heroes of education. What makes catholic education any better than public pray tell.

And I am a strong supporter of unions and the hard work of the teacher's unions in promoting vigorous and well-rounded education. I was accepted in a teaching program in Washington state but decided I didn't want to go through with it. In WA state it is now required to have a Master's Degree in education. order to be certified. If the unions were all that powerful and only interested in their own selfs they would have blocked the possibility of further education required to teach, or so it seems to me.

I am feisty right now, so I'm checking out.

By all.

Jack, great sleuthing - the jokes about Obama have been re: arugula, not collards (btw second only to mustard greens IMHO). I didn't know what arugula really looked like either - now I know - collards. (But they don't grow the same.)

flatus, don't even suggest anything like that - I'd lose my haven away from a sick kid.

Washington state public school students just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

spent all morning in line at the department of motor vehicles in order to renew my driver's license...... thank god we only have to do it once every 5 yrs here in NH..... bureaucrats are like men..... you can live without them, but they are a necessity every now and then..... :)...

In California you can renew your license on line if you haven't had an accident or ticket.

If you've ever had 'spring mix', mesclun, or 'field greens' salads, you've had arugula.

xrepublican - nice comment about Bill. I love the way he uses words. He crafts his speeches to lead somewhere and then he actually arrives at his point at the end.

I don't watch msnbc anymore. Can someone tell me about more about the Joe and Keith and Tweety go-rounds? Did Tweety go after Keith? That's a jealousy set-up waiting to burst open. I saw some of the bit with Joe and Schuster - Schuster actually got up and walked off the set???How hilarious! They are truly going to implode - or maybe they already have but they're trying to contain it.

Poor Joe - he must be so sick of that place, working with those maniacs.

Also, is Tweety going to try to take over Specter's seat and as a repub? Either one or both of tho things is un-imaginable.

What many don't understand about the PUMAs: Millions of Hillary supporters are PUMAs -- they just don't know it. They have never even heard of PUMA. The activists are the card-carrying members of PUMA groups.

Tom

What is the problem right wingers have with teachers unions?
first, the unions oppose those reforms the wingers want.
Like allowing schools to hire teachers who are not qualified.
Or introducing an accountability standard that encourages teaching to the test and discourages creative thinking.

and so on and so on.

Jack

Speaking from personal experience, there are good, bad and indifferent Catholic and public schools - not all the Catholic schools are run by Jesuits after all. I suspect the same could be said of non-parochial private schools asa well, but I have no personal experience with anything other than private skiing academies to base an opinon on, and the one I worked in is representative of only a very small number of schools.

Pogo,

I won't argue you on the wealth point, there is no doubt a lot of merit to your statement.

After integration was accomplished, what the schools system should have started to do, bus teachers. This way good teacher wouldn't be kept in so called safe schools, they would have to do their tour in the not so safe schools.

Still waiting for xrepub. reply?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-135064

No, not when he was coming on stage, just after the speaker before him & before the representative introduced him. I can't find a video clip that shows that part, though.

champ, I've had arugula, but it was just another green leaf among green leaves, and I've never made much of a study of lettuce like salad ingredients. I know a few of the ones that are more common in the grocery stores, but I'm not very picky about the greens in a salad, so don't really care much about what arugula looks like before it becomes part of the spring salad mix. Now when it comes to cookin' greens, I'm a bit pickier.

Fry, I won't argue with your statement either; It makes sense and I assume it has merit, but don't know that as a matter of fact.. But I will agree that equivalent access to better teachers should mean just that. Same can be said for supplies, books, materials, facilities....

Pogo,

I guess to my post of 2:11, why do you think the person answering this questions took the position that children of A-A children in the DC public schools system came from dysfunctional homes, had no books in their homes, the mother from the time they're born doesn't talk to them. As opposed to the mother in Iowa who is sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts off with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three.Yet the white mother in Iowa do?

Pogo, what about poke salad? Every year, this poke bush comes up just outside Mom's bedroom window.
It usually gets so tall that we have to cut it down before it reaches the electric lines, but so far, the people who weedeat haven't touched it. The berries haven't turned yet, so it's not ready to eat, right?

That should have read:

I guess to my post of 2:11, why do you think the person answering this questions took the position that A-A children in the DC public schools system came from dysfunctional homes.

And not children of A-A children.

JeeJee

Poke greens are picked in the early spring when the first come up no more than 2ft high. The berries and stems are not to be eaten as they may be poisonous.

Poke greens are one of my favorite wild greens but they do have a metalic tang that some folks don't like.

Jack

Chinese (Napa) cabbage makes an extremely nice salad. Must be really fresh (if you're not familiar with it, go to your good green grocer). Has something of a peppery taste.

I like it sliced in bite size pieces lightly tossed with sliced white onions and topped with a ranch dressing.

An excellent alternative to normal salad greens.

pogo,

In several comments over the last few days I mentioned south face of the White House, Liberty Hall, and Mt. Vernon as sources for the columns.

The intent of the columns is to associate O and the Democrats with old-fashioned patriotism, George Washington, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Johnny Tremaine, stability, simplicity, integrity, industry, ingenuity, etc. through impressions of the Federal Style archectectural idiom.

Also, the style of '40s and '50s suburban churches, early 20th Century banks, Ethan Allen furniture stores, Faneuil Hall, the SCOTUS, and public buildings in the towns throughout swing states, Ohio and Indiana, especially around LaGrange, LaPorte, Perrysburg, and Maumee.

The intent of the Federal Style was to lend structures the luster of the fantasies people had about the "Glory that was Greece." Artful fraud gave the early US an illusion that it had a tradition, a root deep into antiquity, that tapped at evergreen values. IOW, it was all just 18th Century marketing B.S. And, thank goodness, for antiquity was not an era marked by goodness and generosity.

Now, the idiom is exhumed, trotted out once again, to be used in slick 21st Century B.S. Be that as may be, it is pleasant to look upon.

Fry, the last 2 answers appear to be tied together. He brings the issue of race in IA versus DC into his answer - it wasn't asked of him. The suggestion that race is tied not only to the makeup of DC versus Iowa schools, but to the factors he (she?) identified is clear to me. Like I said there are a lot of correlations out there - he chose race as a differentialiation between Iowa and DC as an assumption in his answer.

"You have to start off with what they start off with. There's less than 1% of the population of Iowa that is African-American. There is probably less than four or five percent that are minorities. What is it in Washington?

Questioner's Reply: I think it's the vast majority.

Answer: Yeah. So, look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with. When you have children coming from dysfunctional homes, when you have children coming from homes where there's no books, where the mother from the time they're born doesn't talk to them, as opposed to the mother in Iowa who is sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts off with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three. Half this education gap exists before a kid puts a foot in the first classroom."

Coming from a state with a significant percentage of minorities and a significant percentage of cross racial poverty, I can say with some certainty that the factors identified in the last paragraph of his answer are pretty common in the dumb as dirt white trash rural poverty stricken areas as they undoubtedly are in the poor urban black areas. The similarities between the two are probably much more striking than the differences.

Zoey..... thanks for all your reports from the convention..... glad to know you're having fun....

KGC..... if I lived in California I'd be able to renew online..... I'd also be able to buy some spectacular wine..... I tried to order a case of wine that you recommended to me online.... only to discover that since my state controls all liquor sales they could not ship to NH..... I LOVE this state.... but sometimes it irks me.....

RebelliousRenee,

I don't have those problems here in Texas...if you want, have it shipped to my office and then I can slap a label to your home...

Can't say I've ever had poke salad (sallet, actually), and thanks to the internets I know what poke looks like and that it is what grows in what should be a flower bed next to our back stairs. Looks like a weed to me, and I just "harvested" a bumper crop of it. Until now, I only knew of it from Tony Joe White's song - Poke Salad Annie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polk_Salad_Annie

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph24.htm

I wouldn't go pickin' it if I was you.

When I was going to school in Montgomery, went to the Alabama State House. From the outside, it looked like a granite block structure. Close-up, though, it was stucco scored to look as if it was granite. Money was tight after The War.

Mom said her mother used to make pokeberry tea when the kids were sick, so they can't be too poisonous. I guess that's the only reason the berries would need to be ripe, then. So if it's too late to eat the sucker (& I wasn't going to anyway, I'm sure it would taste like mustard greens), it's time to saw it down.

For anyone who wants to read info from the AA community, The Villager http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/2008/08/1400th-blog-added-to-villagers-black.html is one of the best blogs out there and links to other AA written blogs on just about every subject under the sun.

JeeJee
The berry tea may have been for medicinal purposes. As we don't know what it was supposed to cure or the dosage I would avoid it.
But the leaves in the spring are safe to eat I've ate many a mess of poke greens with no harm. They nrecomend parboiling it but we never did as a kid just boil it with some ham or a slice of bacon.

http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/Pokeweed.htm

Jack

Pokeberry Tea (Sore Throat)

and other recipes

http://pokeberrykitchen.blogspot.com/2008/04/sore-throat-tea.html

Bear....
thank you so much for that nice offer.....
but it would be illegal for you to ship it to me...... I'd never ask that of you or anyone else..... all alcohol sold in this state is originally the property of the state.... we have state liquor stores and all grocery stores and restaurants must purchase it from the state....

we don't have an income tax.... the state makes up for that by owning all sales of alcohol..... it's really a minor inconvenience and I'm thankful I can afford to drink wine.....

"The activists are the card-carrying members of PUMA groups"

Oh No!! You have to beware of those card carrying types.lol

"just boil it with some ham or a slice of bacon"

poke n pohk a la jack?

using jack's recipe substituting "it" for whatever is in the garden, most always turns out goooood

Pogo,

I guess what I find odd about the answerer is this person paints both Iowa and DC with such a broad brush. In their answers to Iowa schools they seem to be saying, because the are mostly white, that the mother reads to their children, that the children don't come from a dysfunctional family that the children do better in school. Where as in DC they seem to be taking the general view that because they are mostly A-A, because they come from a dysfunctional family, and because their mother doesn't read to them, the children do poorly in school.

Although they may have some valid points, it appears to me they are are suggesting rather broadly, that the success and failure of the children while in school is based on race, and the lack of family unity. I am sure there is a rather segment of A-A mothers who live in DC who would vigorously challenge those assumptions.

Jamie

That link with it cayenne pepper tea reminded me of an oldtime medicinal cure for a cold. As I remember it was equal parts cayenne pepper and corn liquior

LOl
Talk about cure you or kill you. After one dowe of that medicine I'm not going to ever admit I'm sick again.

Jack

"AA" really sounds patronizing and condescending. Reads worse that if you used the "n-word". Just perpetuates race distinction, which I thought modern Liberals aimed to end.

If you were 50 years older, Jack, your parents might have given you smack if you had a cold. Ah, the good ol' days...

flatus, it is a small world - Montgomery is where my favorite uncle/aunt/cousins lived when I was a kid - they were at Maxwell AFB where my uncle taught in the Air College. I loved visiting them. Went to the captiaol a few times - once in about 6th grade as a class trip to see George Wallace inaugurated. Can't say that I'd do that again if given the option (which I wasn't).

I've been following all those links you guys gave me. So far, I've found poke sallet, fried poke, poke cake(made with jello), and tea with no poke but cayenne pepper as an ingredient. That looks like something that could actually work, Jamie, I'll try it sometime. Meanwhile, If my sister could just locate my grandma's little recipe book that she took home & lost, I'll bet that recipe is written down in it. She also had a recipe for a salve that my mother said would cure just about anything.

JeeJee

I think I'll pass on the poke cake if you don't mind.

Jack

Fry, I agree that the picture painted is with way too wide a brush.

champ - I just use AA because I am lazy, it is pretty universally understood and it is shorter than black, african american, or any other similar descriptive term related to black americans. No offense intended, and I would be open to any other short descriptor that you don't consider offensive for use in blog discussions.

Cindy McCain's Sister -- "I'm voting for Obama."

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/cindy-mccains-half-sister-im-voting-for-obama

LOL

Yea champ,

laudanum quiets down a colicy baby

Jack

Champ,

This topic was about race, so A-A seemed fine. If during a discussion where race is a major component how would you delineate these titles so as to identify who you are talking about? White, Caucasian, Black, Afro-American?

And champ, I didn't bring it up, and I was pointing out what I perceived as unfair and inaccurate stereotyping based on race.

Renee,

Who cares if it's illegal...I'll just say it's from Karl Rove and you'll be good.

Seriously, I've repackaged for other people and I worked for someone who was adept at getting wine shipped to RI which was under a similar restriction...

jamie, I loved that the pokeberry site didn't include pokeberries in the tea. btw, now that I know what they are and that they are what I have been attempting to eradicate in my back yard, I find that the best way to harvest poke plants is with a string trimmer with nylon blades instead of string. And you will find that the roots are very large and hard - they look like parsnips to me.

McCain stays mum about vice presidential pick

By LIZ SIDOTI , Associated Press

DENVER - Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain stayed mum about his pick of a running mate Thursday and one top prospect, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, abruptly canceled numerous public appearances.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27596384.html?elr=KArks:DCiUo3PD:3D_V_qD3L:c7cQKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Just to touch on some random themes mentioned in this thread...

1. AA should be dumped for Black.

2. FryDaddy, my experience with Catholic schools is that they are a nice community to be in, have food that is incredibly good but that the educations is not as good as public schools I attended.

3. Any Democrat who didn't listen to Pres. Bill last night and wonder how to repeal the 25th amendment should be made to change John McCain's diaper for 2 weeks. If Bill pointed to anyone and said "run through this wall", that building would have a pile of rubble in 2 minutes.

4. Will Al Gore finally chew up and spit out the Bushies for all the crap they have done?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/dem-delegates-say-yes-we-can.html#comment-135136

KC, sounds mighty suspicious to me.

Pogo, those roots are very large & deep, that's why that thing keeps coming back year after year. I don't have a weedeater that will handle it, but I do have a saw & hatchet. I would like to try to transplant it instead, but I'm just not that ambitious.

"they were at Maxwell AFB where my uncle taught in the Air College. "

Pogo, I went to the AF Senior NCO Academy at Gunter AFS. Talk about a bunch of grouchy old guys separated from their families. Stinky was in England at the time. Was homesick enough that I bought a ticket back to London for the Thanksgiving holiday. Left Wed afternoon, arrived at Gatwick at like 0900, and, after racing through London in a rental, was home in Lakenheath in time for Thanksgiving dinner.

Made it back to Gunter late Sunday afternoon. The guys met me at the airport and we had supper in the little snack bar there. After we got through studying in the evening, we'd sometimes go to the airport and drink hot chocolate, whatever.

Won't forget the first time this Yankee ordered tea and the young lady brought me something with ice in it. But, I never ordered a grit, learned that lesson at Fort Knox in earlier years. :)

Took the tour of Jefferson Davis' house just adjacent to the capitol. It was interesting, but creepy with folks shuffling around whispering their oohs and ahs.

My parents stopped by on their way to Florida towing their trailer. I knew he would never make it to our BEQ so I called the protocol office and told them he was a retired ambassador. They gave him a police escort.

Those were the days.

"As I remember it was equal parts cayenne pepper and corn liquior"

The one time in my childhood that I had the flu, my dad made a hot toddy. There wasn't all that much alcohol in it, but I was staggering and sweating between the kitchen and bed. I don't know all he put in it, but no fever and up and around the next day. Survival may just depend on a great immune system.

Bear, since you're around and pay attention to these things, was the 2nd quarter GDP rise, which was appaently based on stronger export numbers, a result of the weakening dollar?

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-markets-stocks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"Who cares if it's illegal."

Didn't they make some sort of ruling that those restrictions unlawfully interfered in interstate commerce?

Bear,

1. AA should be dumped for Black.

I agree. Black it is.

Pogo
I've been trying to imagine the calculations being made by the Republicans. For a bit there I thought they would make a run at Pa (and pick Ridge) but now it looks like they are going with a real "do no harm choice." They should throw those evangelicals off the bus and push to win back the centrist types of Republicans --

The goopers make a big deal out of the alleged Democratic hardline position on choice but they are far worse. They have denied Tom Ridge a political future because he is pro choice.

I

Pogo,

From what I have read, GDP jumped do to foreign investors taking advantage of our weak dollar and due to the full effect of the stimulus checks... http://www.cnbc.com/id/26436385

No one expects that to continue since it looks like a lot of the world's economies are starting to slow due to our subprime flu and due to all the stimulus checks being spent.

Need to run. Bye

"AA should be dumped for Black"

Bear, This always made sense to me given that people with a certain recent ancestry are referred to as "white" so "black" is easier for a group with a different recent ancesty. Sill, I've always followed the premise that people should be addressed the way they choose to be addressed if only as a matter of courtesy and AA seems to be winning out. I hope "black" will go back to being popular or at least acceptable as an alternative.

Bear, that's sort of what I figured - the relationship is pretty basic - weak dollar and an infusion of cash into the domestic economy should result in increased activity here and abroad. Yeah, I expect this quarter will require looking at very small segments of the economy to find anything that looks much like good news.

Oh, and I agree with Fry - I'll use black instead of AA if AA offends.

FryDaddy, Yes I admit that I am prejudiced against republicans. I remember the '64 republican convention: white delegates putting out their cigarettes on the black delegates coat. I thought it was an aberration. But, then nixon began pandering to the racists with his 'southern strategy.' strom thurmond, jesse helms, & trent lott strove to keep blacks undereducated, underpaid, under-represented, and under white supremacy. It was not an aberration, it was planned pandering to the worst human emotions.

ronald reagan honored the ss at Bitburg, laying a wreath for those who had celebrated Christmas by playing rugby with the severed heads of African Americans. john mccain defended the public display of the confederate battle flag, under which the southern terrorists murdered American soldiers and civilians in defense of black slavery. These were not aberrations, they were planned panderings to the worst human emotions.

babybush adopted the 'gw' icon, which to most represented babybush's wish to be associated with Geo. Washington. But to many across America, it was a covert sign that babybush associated himself with the racist politics of george wallace. That is how the old geezers in Philly see 'gw.' The icon gives comfort to the men who booed Eddie Robinson, in the last town to have an integrated team. That icon warms the hearts of the guys who applauded frank rizzo's immortal line, 'When I'm finished with them, I'll make Attila the Hun look like a fag.'

Not long ago, republican ann coulter yakked about forced conversions of all Muslims - and that the Jews, too should be converted. About Iraq, republican savage said that we need to kill 'em all. Today, republican limbaugh is being as offensive to Greeks as he has been for 7 years toward Muslims. I have frequently heard republicans, even in the media, refer to Muslims as 'ragheads.' I have never heard any of these racial or religious bigots chided by any leader of the republican party in the 44 years since the incident of the cigarettes. No, this is not an aberration, this pandering to haters, and incitement to hate is at the very heart of the republican ethos.

No, FryDaddy, I am no more ashamed of being anti-republican (I have the zeal of the convert!) than you are ashamed of your party's pandering to the very worst of human emotions. You may call me bigot all you want. But, in November, the racist republican party is going down, and I will have the last laugh.

Well, time to get back to tending to th' fam'ly. Maybe tomorrow - maybe not.

Bear/Fry/Jamie/Pogo: Re: the black V AA question

I've said before that in high school my son's pals said they thought AA was bogus. In fact they kind of made fun of the concept of being called anything but black. So it's always been hard for me to use the AA term...I can almost hear those guys snickering....

interstate wine purchses ruling
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4653667

http://www.freethegrapes.org/

http://www.wineinstitute.org/initiatives/stateshippinglaws

FYI Live blogging from Nate Silver at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

* Hard to understate how crazy the security situation is here. People getting testy. 3 minutes ago
* Rumors that press can cut in line. I hope so, because this thing goes to cheyenne. 14 minutes ago
* Met 3 fred phelps protesters on perimiter of the stadium. They seem to be having the time of their life. 23 minutes ago
* Going rate for a parking space is $40-$50. 30 minutes ago
* It's a beautiful day here -- no sign of foul weather despite rumors to the contrary. 44 minutes ago
* Dems are 3-3, although tonight was more of a double than a home run. But I'll bet good money that McCain noms his VP tomorrow to step on ... about 18 hours ago
* People were literally shrieking when Obama came on stage. about 18 hours ago
* More of a check-the-boxes speech than the others we had seen. about 18 hours ago

Don't know why everyone is concerned about the stage backdrop with the Roman style columns, etc. . .

Now, when he enters the stadium riding in a horse-drawn chariot, . . . .that may be a little over the top. . . .LOL

head lines you will never see

"Wall street approves of the Nomination of Barak Obama"

The day after the nomination of Barack Obama for President of the United States at the the Domocratic Convention the Dow rose more than 200 points,

Jack

"Now, when he enters the stadium riding in a horse-drawn chariot"

No over the top will be the "Ben Hur" style race around the circle with Hillary driving the losing chariot.

"Now, when he enters the stadium riding in a horse-drawn chariot, . . . .that may be a little over the top"

that's true lol

Jack

The whole thing will be over the top, if you ask me. I'm going to skip it.

Going home now to cook supper, & maybe I'll take a whack at that weed. Have a good evening.

Ya know even if I had a ticket I would not go to that stadium tonight. A good night to find bar with a few good friends an watch on TV.

Jack

Since we are fantasizing:

mccain should nominate dick cheney.

dick can run as a jenyouwine gun-totin', fried steak-eatin', ohl-pumpin', tabacca spittin', Bud-chuggin' (sorry, Lone Star, but it's a mccain show), Ay-Rab wastin', hell-razin', pro-lifin', quota-bashin', gay-hating, halo painya chewin', weffair mutha-kickin', tuff-tawkin' Texas Sumpich.

Thass plaintawk, 'n' red meat fo' all them WeCaint peeple.

Fish tonight for Sweetie. I'd better go clean 'em. 'Bye.

Jamie,

Dang.. .Ben Hur. .lol

Did you or friends happen to go see JFK in the Coliseum?

Julie Annie would be good, too. Especially if he swooped out of the wings in his gorgeous red dress.

'Bye. Really.

"The 2008 election is almost certainly going to be decided by white, lower-middle-class voters -- the people who voted for Hillary Clinton this year and before that for Ronald Reagan. If these voters don't swing behind the Obama candidacy in Ohio, Michigan, Florida and Missouri, he will lose."

"Yet amid a universally described lack of clarity about Mr. Obama's experience and core political beliefs, it is now being said that if the people in blue-collar counties don't vote for Sen. Obama, they, and their nation, remain racist.

This is false. If they don't vote for Barack Obama, it won't be over his personal roots, but because they're confused about the roots of his politics."

"...When a politician leaves no political trail, some voters get lost. For Sen. Obama, after this long campaign, too many still look lost."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121987550888077611.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

The greek columns actually aren't too pretentious. And the PA system is top-notch. 5 minutes ago

From thetwitter: http://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight

Rez

No I was only 16 and in July of 1960 I had been temporarily shipped to Tucson. Now earlier that year I won the debate against the John Bircher kid who was supporting Nixon.

I'm thrilled to hear that "black" is acceptable because
"AA" just doesn't sound nice to me. I absolutely agree that people should be called what they want and I have a feeling there is a wide variety of preference among blacks.

I'm off for Strawberry for a few weeks. KGC, I hope this weather doesn't follow me up there. Hot in the Sierra isn't fun.

I had ordered a special book to take up there, a new Susanna Gregory, and couldn't find it. I was so angry that I said, "Well, then, I'll show you. (who???) I'l just go to Copperfields and buy the new James Lee Burke
AND the new Deborah Crombie. So there!!!"

Then I found the Susanna Gregory book. My quandry is whether it is moral to still go ahead and buy the other two since I already promised myself I could?

Any help with this gordian knot will be appreciated.

I'm thrilled to hear that "black" is acceptable because
"AA" just doesn't sound nice to me. I absolutely agree that people should be called what they want and I have a feeling there is a wide variety of preference among blacks.

I'm off for Strawberry for a few weeks. KGC, I hope this weather doesn't follow me up there. Hot in the Sierra isn't fun - so dry and dusty!

I had ordered a special book to take up there, a new Susanna Gregory, and couldn't find it. I was so angry that I said, "Well, then, I'll show you. (who???) I'l just go to Copperfields and buy the new James Lee Burke
AND the new Deborah Crombie. So there!!!"

Then I found the Susanna Gregory book. My quandry is whether it is moral to still go ahead and buy the other two since I already promised myself I could?

Any help with this gordian knot will be appreciated.

For anyone looking for men's rooms, the Hermitage Hotel in Nashville has been voted home of the Best Men's Room in the country:

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=DN&Date=20080827&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=808270801&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=2

Threadbare from the blistersyeahbutchannel

We are arbiters of humor.

Bethy

Are you going to the festival for the weekend?

patsi
hopefully some one will read that and pass it on to Larry Craig

Speaking of knocking it out of the park: Jennifer Hudson just did it with the National Anthem. That was wonderful.

For the music lovers, should you happen to be in California for either Memorial or Labor Weekends, this is why I asked Bethy about the festival

http://www.strawberrymusic.com/home.asp

Down at the bottom are the entertainer lists for this past May and this coming weekend.

I think Bethy is going to the Strawberry along the American River. Although the festival at Mather would be great.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
New Info On Bill Ayers, Obama's Unrepentant Terrorist Friend and Colleague

"Obama's dodge --that Ayers' crimes were done when he was a boy-- doesn't begin to address his close working relationship and friendship with the terrorist whose views on America are deeply repulsive to the vast majority of Americans. Like he did with Wright, Obama will now try and persuade the public that this isn't the Ayers that he knew, but the voters aren't fools. The Rosen interview and the SDS Reunion Tapes from November 2007 tell us that Ayers has never hidden who he is or what he believes.

Obama knew. And as with Jeremiah Wright, Obama didn't care."

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/8a6bb79d-e59f-4050-831b-8cd616e3d9ba

Jamie - I doubt if we'll go, unless we happen to be in Sonora and close to Jimtown. For me, I hate crowds, but someone in my family might. If my nephew is around I know he'e love it. I go up for the cabin and the air - it smells so good. Someone told us it is a plant called mountain misery.

But nobody has answered my question of the morality of my buying books I really don't need!!! (I am #28 on the waiting list for one and #15 for the other. On the other hand, I could get them for free basically - I have a kind of coupon.) what is the wisdom and morality of this???

Sorry about the double post - the site told me it was rejected first time.

stadium closed to general public an hour ago...now only ticketed people are allowed in...I gotta share this from Randi Rhodes' website...she is just beside herself with joy and awe of what's going on...
"
Today is the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther Kings’ ’ “I Have a Dream” speech. And from that dream we will pull a new reality.

Tonight, on the shoulders of hundreds of thousands decent and brave men and women of the Civil rights movement will stand Barack Obama. One man representing the hopes of all decent people will proclaim that AMERICA IS after all the GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Or as my mom used to tell me, “We will get there because we live here ONLY IN AMERICA Randi. Only in America”.

KGC - nope - I'm going to the south fork of the Stanislaus, up above Twain Harte and Pinecrest.
Gonna have a birthday party for a two year-old on a party boat on the lake. Leaving tomorrow am.

Bethy

Have a great time.
I have been privileged to spend a lot of time at Hetch Hetchy.
I hope it's not too hot.
Get the books --there is not much else to do there...no tv or internets!

KGC - sad to say, there is tv and I'm taking laptop. It's rented almost everyday in summer and half time in winter so gotta have those amenities.

Bethy

Get the books anyway and then give them to a hospital or some other facility that could use them

who the heck is tweety? i don't watch msnbc, but i heard that KO and CM have gone bonkers. whats up with Shuster? I used to think he was ok. damn, its like a soap opera!

Tweety

Nickname for Chris Matthews, host of 'Hardball.' His staff nicknamed him Tweety Bird because of the shade of yellow he dyes his hair. First divulged at mediawhoresonline.com

Thready again

The Neighborhood Scold and his role in destroying America

hey KGC and patd.... thanks for those links about shipping wine interstate....
maybe I should try again......

Bethy...... BUY THE BOOKS! .... who the hell cares if you need them or not.... and have a good time wherever you're going.....

I prefer black too..... not all black people have African ancestry..... Bear is Haitian and many black baseball players are from the Dominican Republic.... but if someone wanted me to refer to them as African American, I would.....

EdVB..... ok.... your guys took one this afternoon.... congrats....

I'm gonna watch some of the Patriots preseason game with the Giants..... but I'll definitely be watching Barack's speech....

My Dodgers seem to have completely fallen apart.

Maybe Stevie, John, Sheryl and the rest of the all-star cast, from Obama's convention, would be willing to go over to McCain's tomorrow, to bring in the crowds!!

It seems to have worked for BHO...

"I suspect I'm bound to be having the better time tonight"

I doubt it.
But it wouldn't do any good to explain.

Jack

I just got home...

I hope I didn't miss Stevie Wonder or John Legend... 8~P

HA! See, that was a test . I knew no one here would tell me not to buy the books! You guys are so predictable!

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
=============================
The Obama-Ayers Coverup [Update]

"Here are some questions the media should be asking and did not ask throughout the long primary season, abdicating its responsibility. Imagine what would have happened if the media had fully vetted Obama and practiced journalism as they should have done.

When did Barack Obama first meet Bill Ayers?

Did Ayers play any role in Obama coming to Chicago as an organizer in 1985?

Did Ayers introduce Obama the organizer to his family, his father Tom and brother John?

Did the Ayers family help Obama become a summer associate at Sidley Austen, the father’s company’s law firm?"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/28/the-obama-ayers-coverup/

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Hey Gordo - Greta has some guy on Chivago last night who tore her apart and put the Ayers story into perspective.

He said people from Chicago - that actually know the facts - we laughing when she had that hack on the other night with "new developments".

The guy said the hack was a liar, the Annenberg project was a bi-partisan effort and that Obama did not hire Ayers and Ayers did not hire Obama.

She quickly changed subjects.

They had better get some mikes out in the crowd. The venue is deadening the crowd response.

Jack

I am hoping for Pawlenty - but still think there is a chance McCain might pick a woman.

Warren

Pawlenty is a good choice for the Republican party. They need up and comers that are not based in the South.
The Religious right is losing it's grip. this has been demonstrated in Kansas where Phill Kline lost in his primary bid for district attourny to a moderate. The business Republicans and the Eisenhower Republicans find the RR to be an embarrassment.

Jack

Lieberman is out McCain has scheduled events with the VP pick saturday.

GORDO:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/daley_dont_tar_obama_for_ayers.html

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley stated:

There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.

I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.

I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.

No chat?

Kay Bailey Hutichison told us today that Republicans only nominate other Republicans.

Another article said nominating Ridge would cost McCain 20% or more of the base vote. (Assume the same would be true for Loserman since he is also prochoice)

I guess that leaves Pawlenty as the only possible choice.

If McCain picks Pawlenty - he loses. If he picks Lieberman - he loses by even more.

If he picks Kay Bailey or C. Fiona - it will be close....

The Band - Up On Cripple Creek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIpfhEwlw5c

Warren

Kay Bailey or another elected woman but Fiorina no -she has been a bad surrogate.

Kay Bailey does have a lot of personality and looks like a good campaigner.
But warren in the end It is up to McCain to make the case.
As he is still spouting warmed over Reagan talking points on the economy, I don't believe people will buy it. It is another "It's the economy stupid" election.

His only hope is to tie Obama to the left wing of the Democratic party. People don't trust the left wingers with their money, nor btw do they trust Urban politicians either. That btw is why they are going to push the Ayers bit as FD did today.

Jack

Jack

Jack:

I think the Dems need to move away from attacking Bush and keep the attack on the GOP - just like Bill Clinton did last night.

I like McCain - I just think the Republican policies - no matter who is President - are not going to magically start working any differently than they have for the last 8 years.

Well, I've known Al Gore for 20 years, and that's the best speech I've ever heard him present.

After Clinton, Clinton, Biden, and now Gore, the only thing that will meet expectations is if the crowd suddenly levitates in masse out of the stadium at the end of Obama's speech.

warren ------------------------

Keep giving us the SoetorObama campaign talking points. The Repubs/PUMAs are going to get the TRUTH out about this fraud and con man. He is lying about his "hidden" past.

Gordo:

The Obama talking points are based on truth, policies and hope.

The GOP talking points are based on sideshows, slant and fear

Glad to hear Al point out the 2000 election was important and who got elected did make a difference.

Was I the only one who thought maybe General Colin Powell might be the last one introduced?

~Gidget

Dog

Are they going to delay it until November?
Sounds good.

Jack

Gore Gave a good speech, that is a hard venue for a speaker.

Jack

warren-------------------------

Keep feeding that hopey/changey nonsense to the gullible. But there is the possibility that you actually believe it. It's great to hear Obamabots call into conservative radio shows and demonstrate their ignorance about SoetorObama. The hosts play audio clips of THE ONE and often leave the callers speechless -- they can't respond to the TRUTH about this fraud and con man. The Repubs don't have to lie about him -- the TRUTH from his "hidden" past is devastating.

Denver, Colorado

Thu 8/28/2008
Sunrise: 6:24am
Sunset: 7:38pm

maggie's farm at newport 1965

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6I1JSyc8R0

Notice haoe the yes we can chant just did not over power. If it had been in the other venue it would have raised the roof.

Jack

Are they nominating a presidential candidate? Because it sounds like one of those lame David Copperfield specials from the descriptions here. Is Obama going to make Invesco Field dissappear? OOOOHHHH, AHHHHHHH...

I'm back. The amusement park was fun today. It's not a huge park. But it has rides, games and a nice waterpark as well. It has 2 kick-ass rollercoasters. "Shivering Timbers" and "Thunderhawk". Shivering Timbers is a cool "down and back style" wooden roller coaster. It was my favorite. Thunderhawk is a suspended steel roller coaster. It was a shorter ride, but loops and corkscrews in it. Very fun. Both rides rattled my head. The park wasn't too busy today, so we only had to wait 5-10 minutes each time we rode those coasters. I rode Thuinderhawk 7 times and I rode Shivering Timbers 4 times. I took a bunch of pics, I will post them later. BTW, I asked my sister and brother-in-law if we were gonna get home in time to hear Obama's speech tonight and they both laughed at me.

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