Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

If Democrats want to win this election, it is essential that Senator Clinton be the nominee for President.

Wake up Democrats!

I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the low road. She was too concerned with maintaining her dignity and with the good of the party -- ironic, since they then turned around and kicked her in the teeth. She is still worried about the good of the party as she campaigns for BO -- I can't imagine her heart is in it, especially after the low road he took against her, but still she perserveres. That is one tenacious woman and she really does deserve our respect and not the ridicule and villification she receives daily in the press.

I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the low road. She was too concerned with maintaining her dignity and with the good of the party -- ironic, since they then turned around and kicked her in the teeth. She is still worried about the good of the party as she campaigns for BO -- I can't imagine her heart is in it, especially after the low road he took against her, but still she perserveres. That is one tenacious woman and she really does deserve our respect and not the ridicule and villification she receives daily in the press.

Well put Catbalu.

CatBalu

I agree..

CatBalu: My thoughts exactly ... thing is, with that being said & agreed on, we'll be besiege with comments that call us names or sore loosers ...

Hillary is a LADY ....

OFF Top: BEAUTIFUL! since a lot here have gardens, thought this pleasant sight might bring some "ahhhh's"

http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=1221321706636&source=jl999

!:^D
Vivian

CatBalu,

I completely agree with your post:

"I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the
low road."

For the media to suggest that any one thing lost Hillary the nomination is
absurd. The media's complete subjective love affair with Obama and Camp
Obama's constant labeling of the Clinton's as racists, Hiilary refusal to attack
Obama with nuclear-negative assaults and label him as un-American, Obama surrogates trashing Bill Clinton's character and presidency, the travesty of how the DNC lined up against Hillary in their back-stabbing, back-room handling of Michigan and Florida voters ALL contributed to why Hillary lost.

For all the "political analysts" to begin circling like sharks over "The Altantic"
article's memos is inane, petty and myopic.

I seems the last few hours, on both of the Trail Mix threads, have beendevoted to punching the Clintons , but, just to take a detour for a moment---
Here's an article I found in the "L.A. Times" today:

"Obama Without His Script," published Aug 12.

I agree that the postponement of decissions is killing, and am a bit at unease that HRC postponed critical decissions...... I think the whole campaign came as a shock, ue to the xpolsion of BO, there was no detailed plan B, and that killed her....
On the other hand, one cannot rule by herself. If the input she gets from the aides is bad, her decissions will be also... I guess..

But, this leak to the press is interesting Craig. I do feel you. I think this election made one thing clear. The Clintons are/ were surrounded by shallow people who did not do things to her benefit and are not fit for the title: loyalists, but were there to collect a pyacheck; have no morals at all as to the being faithful to someone.
The Clintons need to start building, cause their coalition, so called firewall, is not only in shambles, it is not repairable..

What to em is continuously striking is how these things end up in the press....Please refer to my commnets yesterday...Striking that everytime HRC surfaces (one way or the other) it is to dampen teh surge of JmC.... Do it on your own Sir...Please do it on your own. If you have the change mantra, you sure as hell no how to do it on your own!

Oops! Typo in my last post--should read, "been devoted"

Clinton was a mess as a candidate and probably would have been worse as a president. Refusing to deal with the reality that she has ran her campaign so badly that she was out of the running before she really started winning. Then the arrogance of running up a 20 million debt because of her unwillingness or inability to face reality then expecting Obama to pay for her narcissism. We are fortunate that she did not get the nomination as she is in love with power and would have said anything and did to try and get it. We are better off with both of the Clintons just going away.

Typo correction: "Hillary's refusal to attack Obama with nuclear-negative
attacks . .

Corey -- been thinking about you. All I can add (to what others have said) is ..It's been over 4 years and I still think of my mum every day..but now I can smile instead of cry -- well, most of the time. Take care, dear.

CatBalu;......You're right!!!!

prof marcia; 1:48 am...... I agree with you also, to a point. I fimly believe that most of the discredit that comes upon Hillary is mostly media contrivance.

The way the press treated them when Bill was president, and when he was campaigning for her. David Shuster saying that they were "pimping" Chelsea, KO's rants, Rachael Maddow, and Michelle Bernard, msnbc has to be in the tank totally for obama. Jack Cafferty, and others who will brook no disagreement. They all know that if Hillary were to win, the access of the press to the WH would diminsh "a bunch", and who could blame her, not me - if they had of said that about my daughter, I'd be suing the network's ass off.

And we all know that "sources" get paid, especially by scum like the enquirer.

I see that Cindy Sheehan has qualified to run against ms. pelosi......Go Cindy.............

Rita

It is sad that some people can´t imagine that none of these two remaining candidates have the ability to lead in my opinion.
The moment you don´t fall in line behind BO you are an angry frustrated Clintonista not willing ot see the big picture. LOL
Well, I am certainly not an angry frustrated Clintonista. I am an American who is seeing that either JmC or BO will be major steps back for our country. I am therefore not voting in November. I am aware that JmC can become the president. But , I do not see major differences with either Him or BO running the country. it is plusses and minusses in both camps and when you come to the end conclusion, we are better off withouth both of them.
There......my reasoning for not voting in November

Is anyone seeing that Michael Phelps(swimming) is on course to take 9 golds. He is allready at # 5......
The Williamses(tennis) won three matches on one day..WHEW!!!!!!

Interesting. I see your point, Craig, but pretty much disagree with you.

For one thing, if her workers leaked any of this because they were afraid they'd be blamed, I think they were right. They don't show themselves in a good light, fighting rather than working with each other. There have apparently been leaks all along, and you know Hillary didn't do it.

Another thing they have proved is that Hillary knew what was right and wrong, and did the right thing. Bush
was stubborn in doing the wrong thing because he didn't know the difference between right and wrong..

And above all else, even with a staff un-equal to the task, she still matched Obama head-to-head.
The primaries she won were all secret ballots, not an exhibit in front of powerful figures.

Obssessive and rigidly disciplined people might be great in secret ops, but it can be scary in ordinary life.

KGC - what a bummer about your computer. When I go to Strawberry, I'll take mine but it is such a drag because it's all dial up. So you guys will probably get some breaks from my pedantic musings. Or course, my brain will ptobably explode from pent up ravings!

Keep in touch, KGC, and work on getting another time sucker.....er..., I , mean computer.

Corey, just read about your dad and his obit. So sorry for you and the family.

"May the road rise to meet you.
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face.
May the rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the hollow of His hand."

tt

Putin's Eyes: His Soul:

"PRESIDENT BUSH: I will answer the question. I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country. And I appreciated so very much the frank dialogue."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010618.html

It takes one to know one?

tt

"so many aides were willing to share private matters publicly"

Craig, just how many finks are we talking about here? and are they the rat's that jumped ship before it stopped sinking?
btw, certain bloggers hereon should eat their words about you being in the tank for hrc.

Thank you Craig. This needed saying, and appreciate your courage in putting up this blogpost.

If you were in that tank, welcoming you out with a fluffy white towel and some excellent coffee.

Craig,

I'm astonished that you're blaming the betrayal by those on Hillary's staff as being her fault. It's clear to me that there were moles planted from the beginning, and that there's something bigger here than meets the eye.

Oh, and the Spy Talk story is very interesting - maybe even frightening.Posted by: bethyboo | August 13, 2008 12:53 AM

Bethy, thanks for mentioning that spy talk blog. I checked it out a few times, and then forgot about it for some reason. I'm going to start reading it again.

Hillary's a talented public servant and an unusually good senator, but she does not have the skillset to be president. That's not due to gender. A woman will be president, very likely within the next 4-5 elections.

Catbulu, Marcia, Rita and others,

Those leaks were no surprise to me.
This whole election has been a sham since the beginning.

Good Morning, chloe,

You wrote, "This whole election has been a sham since the beginning."

So, true! We are left with two incredibly flawed candidates, when the one
who could have strongly steered this country in a better direction has been marginalized and strong-armed out of the race.

this disgusting woman who put up with an unfaithful husband for years because she thought he would pave the way for her presidency is so upset with her, that's HER, failure that she's willing to sabotage the most important election in the past 100 years.

god bless and protect our country and senator obama.

I suspect that at least half the senior staff of campaigns are not there because of love for country, devotion to the candidate, or some similar altruistic reason.

LA Times editorial yesterday, on Hillary Clinton's desire for "catharsis".

...in her words, "I know from just what I'm hearing that there's incredible pent-up desire, and I think that people want to feel like, 'OK, it's a catharsis, we're here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.' "

We don't know how familiar Clinton is with ancient Greek tragedy, but the use of the term "catharsis" will seem ominous to those who are. According to Aristotle's "Poetics," catharsis (sometimes translated as "purgation") occurs when the audience at a drama experiences a scene -- such as Oedipus' discovery that he has married his mother and killed his father -- that arouses "pity and fear."

.... The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story
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It won't be a tragedy for the Democratic party only. This country cannot stand another 4 years of GOP in the White House.

Yesterday AG Mukasey announced that Dept of Justice staff who were hired for their political affiliations (conservative GOP) will keep their jobs. They are political appointees who now have civil service protection. Those who were screened out by the DOJ's illegal hiring practices are welcome to apply anew.

Time to cut this stuff out.

this disgusting woman who put up with an unfaithful husband for years because she thought he would pave the way for her presidency is so upset with her, that's HER, failure that she's willing to sabotage the most important election in the past 100 years.

god bless and protect our country and senator obama.

Posted by: JP, milltown, nj | August 13, 2008 7:09 AM

It continues to amaze me how everyone seems to know exactly what went on end still goes on in the Clinton household. Amazing..... :-)

And still, it is HRC who is going to sabotage the most important election in 100 years... This is so laughable, it actually makes me sad...But then again..Ignorance is a choice

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story
More likely, uncompromising Clinton supporters will experience those emotions not when Clinton is given her due but when Obama officially clinches the nomination.

The above paragraph is from that same opinion piece.
Wait until we have a nominee. Then we can decide what we want to do.

I'm suspicious that Craig is just trying to pull the party together. As in: Be good children: get in line. Not yet.

But doing the right thing, doesn't mean we have to lie to ourselves about what happened. To some of us, that would be denying the obvious.

Jason: she is sandbagging Obama's chances, whether she wants to recognize and admit that or not. She could tamp the division down, but has not done so. It's been lip service and protecting her own career's viability.

Good morning, thought some of you might enjoy this article- Hillary Earned A Roll Call
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/martinez/story/1175422.html

The laying blame on Hillary instead of acknowledging that she chose to take the high road in not attacking Obama's "lack of american roots" and not releasing the tape, is just more of the same from the biased media. The emails don't expose and aren't in line with the media's meme of her being ruthless, her irrational ambition, Hillary will say or do anything to get elected -but it is in line with their own actions of slanted, warped (journalism?) Not directing this at you Craig or including you in the biased media - was thankful during the primary and remain so for your own unique voice. We just happen to disagree on this one.

"she could tamp the division down, but has not done so."

dog,

Just what would make you happy in regard to the way Senator
Clinton should mend the division in the party?

She's already given endless speeches in support of Obama and smilingly stood beside him at several events. She has dutifully not signed
the official form to put her name into nomination at the convention. She has
consistently instructed her supporters to vote for Obama.

If there are still large numbers of people not on Obama's team,
please give specific instructions as to how Senator Clinton should
inspire these folks with Obama spirit.

Not directing this at you Craig or including you in the biased media - was thankful during the primary and remain so for your own unique voice. We just happen to disagree on this one.
Posted by: oldseahag | August 13, 2008 7:38 AM

Yes Craig. I have nothing but respect for you. Even when we disagree.

Rick Martinez in his opinion piece from the Raleigh News Observer:

"I'm not misty-eyed enough to forget that the main reason Clinton is considered presidential material is because she's married to a former president."

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Hillary is a groundbreaker and deserves credit and recognition for her historic run.

I think she would get more if she was not intent on dragging it out of people.

A bit of graciousness: "I can't allow a roll call to potentially divide the party, the primary is over and we have a winner -- this is Senator Obama's moment" -- would have gone a long way toward keeping the momentum going against McCain, rather than providing this side show.

It would serve her better in the long run too. Soft skills are important. You cannot get what you want solely through power grabs. (Learn from W.)

Agree with CatBalu. Hil'ry took the high road, McCain takes the low road...and Mac beats BO on the bonnie, bonnie banks of November.

But Craig, don't you think that maybe she decided to do that because the media would've been all over her if she had done that to their darling? The GOP can get away with it; another Dem, no way.

She would've lost voters and maybe some of the primaries that she ended up winning late in the season as people started to question what BO was really all about. (I haven't gotten a clear answer on that yet.) She made the right move.

At least some folks can change their assumptions about Craig after this article. As most of us can see, he's very equal-opportunity when it comes to political views.

As for disloyalty, can anyone in politics really be trusted to have anyone's back? How long ago were these memos actually made available? Maybe right after BO was announced lord-n-savior? As he has lost his minty freshness, do they have any regrets about doing so? Are they thinking that maybe they should've stuck by Hil'ry because BO is gonna lose & she's gonna be the nom in 2012?

Tried to turn on MoJo out of habit. MSNBC had Russia/Georgia women's beach volleyball. Really? Were they expecting a fight like at the Russian/Hungarian men's water polo match in the 50s? As the announcer said, the Georgian team is made up of Brazilians given citizenship to play for Georgia, so there's not a lot of hostility. Wanna bet the producers who decided to air that match didn't know that? Would this match have been covered if it weren't for the conflict?

We're not gonna play with you if you can't be nice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080813/pl_afp/georgiarussiaconflictus

Liar, liar pants on fire. (ps - They are also not the father of Rielle Hunter's baby.)

"At first, Russia said separatists — not Russian forces — had done the job. But the claim rang hollow — an AP reporter saw 135 Russian military vehicles heading toward the gorge Tuesday and Russia is the military patron for the separatists."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

".... The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."

Dog, the neo-Democratic Party didn't need to purge me--I purged all by myself. Turned in my Yellow Dog card, starting returning letters, stopped giving to Party organs, and declared myself an Independent, although I will caucus with the Clinton Democrats. :)

I was around when Mr Carter started playing Chicken of the Sea as our tuna boats were being held hostage. I don't want to go through the same thing with Mr Obama.

And, see, I said all that, as did you, without frothing at the mouth, or becoming intemperate.

And, now, it is time to get ready for another stint in the dental chair.

Jason: she is sandbagging Obama's chances, whether she wants to recognize and admit that or not. She could tamp the division down, but has not done so. It's been lip service and protecting her own career's viability.

Posted by: dog's eye view | August 13, 2008 7:34 AM

Please tell me what more she should do sir?
Please.....
Should she start holding signs along de I 95? Should she start cleaning his room?
The woman is campaigning for crying out loud and still it is not enough?
She is doing what HE is aksing...If he asks, she delivers....

Give me a break man. This is absurd....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127467ommenolt-127467

oldsea, thanks for that link - another good one.

In addition, I feel these emails were released now to deflect attention from Obama's lack of clear lead in polls and poor performance this week regarding Georgia. I think the Obama camp is getting a little nervous.

"but she does not have the skillset to be president. That's not due to gender. A woman will be president, very likely within the next 4-5 elections."

Not if women like some on this blog have anything to say about it. A great deal of self hatred directed at the female candidate here...

"god bless and protect our country and senator obama"

Idiots like you will be wanting "In Obama We Trust" on the dollar bills next....

good morning gang....

we just had an exciting and grueling primary season where both parties' side were wide open.... two candidates have finally been chosen..... it's only 2 weeks away from convention season.... and what is the media focused on..... the Clintons....

that doesn't say much for the candidates that each side picked.... the media is already bored....

I guess this too shall pass....... someday.....

No, but she will be blamed for sandbagging BO's chances no matter what she does, so she might as not go quietly into that dark, Denver night.

corey - I'm sorry for your loss.

"Should she start holding signs along de I 95? Should she start cleaning his room?
The woman is campaigning for crying out loud and still it is not enough?
She is doing what HE is aksing...If he asks, she delivers....

Give me a break man. This is absurd...."

Hear, hear, Jason!

"and what is the media focused on..... the Clintons...."

Renee, when you think of it that way, it is funny.

Beacuse he will fucking lose this election and everyone knows it. BO will lose in year when the republican presidents approval rate is at a historic low (26%), When the republican candidate is totally out of synch with reality and the economy and when the USA is at the crossroads....
That is why all the blame and all the talk about the Clintons continues...Blame her....we have no fault...
the biggest dickhead of DNC (Dean) is orchestrating every move to make up for his own inability to function in a complete election cycle

excuse my language, I went a wee bit too far....

Jason: if she wanted to tamp down the PUMAs and talk of a roll call, she could have done it. She did not . It's more important that her supporters see the big picture -- electing the Democrat who prevailed in the primaries, by party rules freely available to both campaigns' staffs -- than in recognition of "them" -- which is actually recognition of her.

Even leaving the impression she wanted to take this to the convention, when it was clear her chances of prevailing were so slim, and she really would have ripped the party apart....

Yeah, she could do a lot more.

My pleasure Chloe!

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

And exactly why is it she should do a lot more?

Because she owes it to the party? Because they've all been so good to her that she needs to repay them for their support?

Is it Dean she owes it to? Does she owe it to her supporters (who don't want her to cave in)?

After the convention, she'll be right there supporting the party. Because she wants whats best for this country. Until then, leave her alone and let your guy do his own work for a change.

What Obama people have in common with Bush people:

http://www.theroot.com/id/47621

Excellent post Prof. Marcia. Goldberg should be more careful with his words though "During Obama's make-believe presidency" is dangerously close to sounding racist!

It looks to me like former Clinton staffers are trying to make money/gain power etc by throwing Senator Clinton under the Obama bus. Who knows what is the truth?

I think the Obama campaign which has been unable to close the deal against an incredibly weak Republican Party and candidate needs to revive their primary campaign enemy to fire up their base. Senator Clinton has been gracious in defeat too bad her staff has not.

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence Senator Clinton isn't up to the job you people continue to blather on how only she can win, only she can run the country. Broke after Iowa, a staff that was never unified, unable to make a decision and having to go to her husband to decide what to do. And you have the nerve to accuse Obama's supporters of being kool-aid drinkers. Freaks!

the smelly drawer is open

And you have the nerve to accuse Obama's supporters of being kool-aid drinkers. Freaks! What sheep you are

When all else fails, call us names.
And thanks for that, it actually helps.

Millstone,

Are you sure you didn't mean

god bless and protect our country from senator obama.

Mark Warner to deliver keynote address. Mixed reaction to Hagel as potential VP

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTApa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD92H9AH00

"Not a pretty picture for running the country."
Craig Crawford
8/13/08

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

This is simply more misdirection, failure to accept responsibillity by Team Obama for its own failure to secure any recalcitrant democratic voters,as well as
those elusive independents, to date.

It is tiresome and inaccurate to continue to blame Hillary Clinton.

Time to step up to the plate, accept responsibillity for
convincing voters to support Obama, start acting like the winner all Obama cheerleaders/supporter/operatives continue to assert endlessly---stop the blame Clinton routine.

With all the backbiting between parties, the contents never attack her. If she made a serious error, it was expecting campaign people to be as decent as she seems to be. If that is a mistake in judgement, then more people should be like her.

The complete betrayal with the leaked memos tells me that someone was double dealing right from the beginning, probably in the pay or with loyalties to another campaign team. Whoever that person or persons were should never be allowed near another campaign purely on the basis ofm if you will shaft one employer for your own gain, you will shaft another for the next highest biddger.

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

BS. You won't be happy unless she washes his friggin' feet with her hair.

Posted by: What sheep you are | August 13, 2008 9:03 AM

Said Granny Kool-aid

obama would have a much easier time of it if his supporters were not such [expletives deleted].

"BS. You won't be happy unless she washes his friggin' feet with her hair."

Not before he pays off her debt, typical.

"It is tiresome and inaccurate to continue to blame Hillary Clinton.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127497

And unproductive.

[expletives deleted].

Oh boy, Sturge. I can think of a million words to insert.

Posted by: What sheep you are | August 13, 2008 9:03 AM

It doesn't matter which BrianNYC shows up.
We can always recognize his style.

Dog

""I can't allow a roll call to potentially divide the party, the primary is over and we have a winner -- "

People who keep saying this just don't seem to realize that it would require a rule change. Now I realize that the Democratic party has changed rules at every opportunity to screw with Sen. Clinton and benefit Sen. Obama, but wiping out the party obligation for several thousand people to vote as they were elected to do by the population of their states is going a bit far.

Those people have paid a minimum of $5,000 each (most more) for only one privilege: To stand up when their state is called and cast their vote for their pledged candidate.

This desire of supporters of Sen Obama to wipe out the basic rules of a Democratic society is a little frightening and does not reflect well on him.

Let me know when Obama pays off her debt
all talk no check book

Her donors have given more to him since the close of the primaries

He and his supporters are liars and losers --the evidence is presented here every day

LOL
Craig how many times has this type of stuff been leaked ?
How many time has it been right?

There is a group with in the the second layer of the HRC organization who have reporters on speed dial
They keep leaking information to their pet reporters and since they are't truly in the know they are almost always wrong.

Meanwhile , just another August yawner of a story. Just like the Clinton interview story. But this post will probably be good for your MSNBC gig.

Jack

LOL
Looks like the back channel is happy.
Troll, troll, troll

Jack

"[expletives deleted]."

"He and his supporters are liars and losers" Posted by: Debit Card

I knew someone would find something to fit into there. But it's not an expletive. Guess we'll have to keep trying.

Can't beat McCain
but we can continue to beat Clinton

"T. Boone Pickens has been an oilman for nearly 60 years, but all that experience counted for little last month as the well-schooled octogenarian tycoon took a beating on oil and natural gas bets"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/business/oils_slim_pickens_124275.htm

Dog,

"Even leaving the impression she wanted to take this to the convention, when it was clear her chances of prevailing were so slim, and she really would have ripped the party apart...."

The media can't find statements where she said anything of the sort, so they quote each other "thinking" of "what she REALLY meant" or cut and paste things she does say to make it sound as if she said those things and then the Obama folk fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

She has appeared everywhere he asked her to appear. She has supported his nomination. She has encouraged others to vote for him in November. The only thing she asked is that her supporters be allowed to cast the votes they earned the right to cast even without her name in nomination and with no nominating speeches.

It's a shame all of her supporters can't commit mass suicide to make the Obama people happy, but then we couldn't march in lock step and robotically cast our votes for the ONE and then hold up our purple fingers later to prove it really is still a Democracy.

Corey, thanks for posting the link to your father's obit. Hope the family is hanging in.

to every thing (troll troll troll)
there is a hillary (troll troll troll)
and we can blame her for everything which goes bad
for obama

a time to blame hillary.....a time to blame bill
(cant be 'cause obama is just an empty shrill)

everybody sing along now......
It's all Hillary's fault all of it every bit of it
all hillary's fault cant get quit of it.....

poor poor obama child......just cant get it done

mornin' all.

dog, with all due respect, your argument is full of crap. Obama's support is weaker in the party than you will admit so you and the rest of his rabid supporters are pulling an Axelrod and trying to blame his lack of support on Clinton, to demonize her for his inability to draw that broad support for his vague promise of change and to change the convention rules to make up for his failings and avoid your fear that the superdelegates won't vote as they have said they will. (Using "you" & "your" royally, not individually). NO democratic nominee for president, at least since democratic conventions began being televised, ever won (or lost for that matter) after being nominated at a convention without the names of the other candidates being placed in nomination. It should not happen this time just because Obama's supporters fear that he doesn't have the support necessary among the superdelegates to maintain his aura in the face of normal convention procedures. FWIW, I don't think placing Clinton's name in nomination will cause the upheavel the insecure Obama supporters appear to be afraid of, and if Obama is as good a condidate as you believe, he should be able to beat McCain handily after securing the nomination - and despite his lackluster polling, he still appears to have sufficient support to win enough states to win in the electoral college, so stop acting like the only way he can win is by being unopposed in the convention. Or keep it up and continue to show your lack of confidence in your candidate.

Baaaa, baaaa.

What sheep you are-- I guess with your name you've chosen you are trying to insult Hillary supporters. So sorry, but it isn't even close to working as we know better than others that there is no comparison to sheep when it comes to Hillary supporters. The majority are lifelong democrats who have examined their conscience and painfully decided to not follow party lines for the first time in their lives. They have in fact been threatened, been accused of being racist, been mocked and name called yet bravely stand firm in their convictions. They are not blindly falling in, not being sheepled into voting for a candidate because of their party affiliation, instead they have in their opinion chosen country over Party.

"if his supporters were not such [expletives deleted]."

Cultists? Pricks? Assholes?

now you've done it sturge.
Speaking of ROFLMAO.

"Cultists? Pricks? Assholes?"

good start.

I watched this one it was very exciting, I've very much enjoyed what I've seen of the olympics. Watched the mens team gymnastics the other night , their enthusiasm was contagious

"Phelps, with water in his goggles, trailed Moss Burmester of New Zealand by .03 second at the 50-meter split in his butterfly race, then took the lead and was under world-record pace the rest of the way. After the finish, he ripped off his cap and goggles and threw them onto the pool deck.

``I couldn't see anything for the last 100, my goggles pretty much filled up with water, it just kept getting worse and worse through the race,'' Phelps said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aM8Pkkb7KqLI

Jack

matt taibbi on imus author of "the great derangement"

"dog, with all due respect, your argument is full of crap" pogo

I may have to leave for a while. You guys are killin' me. If I laugh any harder, I'm going to split my side.

sturg, RFLMFAO

Insecurities exhibited by Obama supporters may stem from information like this:

Pennsylavania Poll--Obama leads in PA, but not by much.

Obama 46%; McCain 41%-LV
Obama 44%; McCain 36%-RV

Poll director Terry Madonna said this survey shows Obama has not been able to pull away despite signs it should be a big Democratic year in Pennsylvania.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080813_Poll__Obama_leads_in_Pa___but_not_by_much.html

TECH NOTE: I received reports this morning from IT about recent anonymous comments using fake email addresses. None seemed out of line, so not deleting. But a reminder: Offensive anonymous comments using fake email addresses are subject to deletion.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127519

Beautiful post.

Craig,
Since you're hear, can you please comment on the reaction this morning?

Corey,

Just now catching up and saw the news about your dad, and read his obituary. You have my deepest sympathies...and thanks for sharing every step of this journey with your fellow Trailmixers.

Coreen

That Pennsylvania poll just shows what several of us have been expressing for some time. There are a lot of us dissatisfied with our choices. I would look for a dramatic swing come Sept as folks start paying attention and force themselves to decide.

Jack

"But a reminder: Offensive anonymous comments using fake email addresses are subject to deletion."

Don't worry about me, Craig. I believe in being offensive under my own name. :)

Chloe, see nothing i need to comment about. Interesting discussion. Around here, we're all entitled to our opinions -- and occasionally, our own facts.

Ha, Patsi, you're a stand up gal for sure

jack, Phelps is pretty amazing, no? Spitz reincarnated (although I thought reincarnation occurred after the prior life was dead, but what do I know about that stuff anyway?) I wondered why he didn't do his usual thing at the end of the race - apparently because his eyes wer chlorinated. Ennywho, what a great athlete. LP (the kid who wanted to quit swimming earlier in the season - before he started winning butterfly and freestyle eventsand who currently has long hair) says he wants to get his hair cut like Phelps now.

thanks

I'm saving up my four facts for later.

I'm dealing with food poisoning and so this will be brief but I am now as stunned by reaction to Craig's post as I first was when and evangelical Christian tried to tell me that because the bible "family tree" had the ages of everyone total 3000 years or so, that is the true age of the earth...

Did I see someone was blaming this Clinton issue on the press? I have said since last fall that I didn't think she manage campaigns well. If you think that she was trying to deal with people that were foisted upon her, it doesn't take a competent manager very long to figure out if her team is working well with her and for her. She didn't owe anything to her husband to use any of these incompetent putz's yet she used them anyway.

You say she didn't want to sink to the low road...that's true but I think only because she knew it would push her unfavorables over 50% and into the unelectable category in the general. She acted like a candidate who expected the nomination to be handed to her, very much in the same way McCain is campaigning now.

As for Obama, his biggest problem is that he is getting the scrutiny from the press and many voters that they now regret not giving George W. Bush in the last 2 elections. They chose to blindly ignore the patterns of failures in W's life they are fearful that Obama will yield similar results. I can understand the reasoning behind the argument. So far, Obama hasn't been a failure in his life, hasn't needed his President father and rich friends to bail him out of any messes.

This election will be decided upon the question of whether we want the US to be in a constant war with someone. McCain will try to fight wherever he can to prove that even tough guys have to surrender and I think Obama will do what he can to avoid them in order to use those monies for domestic purposes.

I'm starting to believe that the content of Obama supporters' character is as empty as the suit of their candidate.....

proof..... with the exception of Mr. Democrat.... not a one of them that posts here have been able to muster so much as a little "sorry" to Corey over the passing of his father....

it speaks volumes......

Does anyone know if the living outnumber the dead yet?

Jamie, can we put you on that? You might have it already in your extensive Malthusian files.

Anyway, that would be a good fact to have. Then I would have a total of FIVE facts in my possession.

by the way, just added to today's posting above, CQ producer Andrew Satter's interesting report and video on Clinton enthusiasts

Jack,

A dramatic swing in September--surely--question will be--which way does it swing.

Bear

This election will turn on who can make nervous suburbanites the most comfortable. The war people have already chosen a side. They aren't the great unknown/undecided.

Jack

Prof Marcia

You mentioned "Obama Without His Script" above without the link. I went hunting

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg12-2008aug12,0,1732729.column

Just for info, it is Jonah Goldberg. Anything he says in relation to anything to do with a Democrat should be taken with a large canister of salt. He is decidedly a right wing activist and you have to pick and choose very carefully among the droppings to find a pearl.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127539

Bear, that's some lucid thinking for somebody with food poisoning. What was your poison? Give us the consumer alert. Hope it wasn't killer tomatoes, because i didn't buy that one and eat them every day.

ha, Lardass, five facts is a lot for one day. You might get snagged by our vicious spam filter.

Craig,

"and occasionally, our own facts."

I would appreciate it if you ever see anything that is technically wrong in relation to convention rules and procedures, if you could let us know simply because you are more likely better connected.

yep.....bear is definitely not on the [expletive deleted] list pertaining to O supporters.

LL, ignore the CQ vicious spam filter. If you can't make up facts, what's the point in living after all???

Coreen

If I was to bet with real money , I would put it on the swing going to Obama, just because the Republicans are in the tank this year. But it won't be because Obama is such a brilliant campaigner. He is still having trouble reaching out beyond his primary base.

Jack

Corey, sorry to hear your dad passed - i couldn't get online yesterday, so I wasn't aware until now. Lost both my parents in the last 3 years - I hated to see them suffer, and hope your dad didn't. Take care of yourself.

hahahahahahaha
LOL @ sturgeone

Pogo
We live in a world of made up facts. So much so that my BS meter often over heats and explodes. Especially, befor my second cup of coffee.

Jack

Just played the video. I think the PUMA person is living in a bit of a dreamland. I genuinely cannot believe anyone sincere in their support of Senator Clinton would forget first and foremost that she is a Democrat.

I can understand staying home, voting for a third party candidate, or voting for Obama with less than blissful enthusiasm. But voting for McCain after all we have been through in the last seven years? I doubt there is enough to sway the election, but there is enough to make a difference in Presidential favorability, mandate, and dealings with Congress.

Craig,

"and occasionally, our own facts."

I would appreciate it if you ever see anything that is technically wrong in relation to convention rules and procedures, if you could let us know simply because you are more likely better connected. Posted by: Jamie

Jamie,
I was wishing Craig would elaborate on that too. That 'our own facts' really left me hanging there, trying to figure out what he meant.

Renee

A number of folks responded to Corey over on his Blog. I know Dog did and so did Dooty. There were others but memory fails.
MD removed himself from my worthless list with his response to Corey, not that I think he is worried about my opinion of him.

Jack

no hidden meaning there, chloe. just kidding around.

Well thanks again then, Craig. I would have wondered about it all day (as in: are there facts I'm not seeing).

and as far as party rules go, i don't follow them too closely because on both sides they are made to be broken -- the underlying political leverage is what i follow: in other words, "Might Makes Right" is the only rule that's truly followed

bear....
hope you feel better very soon.....

Jack.... thanks for letting me know that some went to Corey's blog.... it was really bothering me..... I felt the same way after seeing MD's response....

the sun is shining..... and for one day.... it's not supposed to rain here.... I need to get off this machine and go outside.....

My sister said to me the other day, "With all the people in this world, how did we end up with these two as our choices for President?" My Mom had said the same thing to me a few months ago.

Mean while under the "there is more to politics than the latest HRC story" column

Troubles in Republican land.

"As the House's top-ranking Republican, Boehner (pronounced BAY-ner) says he knows that if the party stumbles badly on Nov. 4, his post will be on the line when Republicans pick their leaders for the next Congress"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=acmsTvrSj7jM&refer=home

Jack

And some on this site have been blaming the women for everything.

Obama's problem with white, male voters

"THE MOST remarkable fact of the 2008 presidential election is that it remains a close race. Democrats have not known such favorable political terrain since 1932, yet what should be a blowout is looking like a blanket finish.

The fundamental reason is white men. Like Al Gore in the summer of 2000, Barack Obama is roughly splitting white women. But only 34 to 37 percent of white men support Obama, according to the Gallup Poll's latest weekly index of 6,000 voters

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/08/13/obamas_problem_with_white_male_voters/

""Might Makes Right" is the only rule that's truly followed"

As we saw with the four stolen "just because we can" delegates at the Rules Committee meeting.

That was the single move that set me firmly against Dean, Brazille and company in perpetuity. It was a totally unnecessary slap in the face and probably did more to create the PUMA forces than anything else that has happened this season.

Your sister and mom are right on Corey.

Today's thread on the BackChannel Blog

The Great Distraction, by Aging Hipster

http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/

Kudos on today's thread Craig, though the reaction by some of your most loyal readers is amazingly scary, talk about head in the sand mentality!

My sister said to me the other day, "With all the people in this world, how did we end up with these two as our choices for President?" My Mom had said the same thing to me a few months ago.

Posted by: Corey | August 13, 2008 10:23 AM

Because Corey: Sometimes a nation deservers the leaders they get! We deserve it, because we as a people do not know how the value true leaders..

**sigh******

I'm pretty shocked by this too Craig... I used to be an avid viewer of the soap ANOTHER WORLD and as dramas go, this one has the intrigue, back-stabbing, cheating and lying. What I have particularly learned from all the leaked papers is that Mark Penn really is a nasty person. I can truly understand why Obama supporters do not want to help Hillary reduce her campaign debt when he was behind a lot of the ideas for negative campaigning. Also, he's like a pig in the trough. How much money did he suck up from hard working people who contributed to Hillary's campaign because they wanted to help her? It just makes me shudder.

I still believe in Hillary, but it's clear she was poorly served by many around her and primarily from HOG PENN.

jack, I guess one man's facts are another man's fancy.

and jack, around here it's pronounced BOAN-er.

Jack

Whenever Stephanie Miller plays anything said by Boehner, she always plays a voice box intoning:

"HOW LONG CAN THIS BONER LAST?"

And then recites the little grammatical poem: When two vowels go walking, the first does the talking.

Jamie

It looks like McCain reads trailmix, He stole both of our talking points, lol

"Addressing the crisis for the second straight day, McCain said Georgia, in addition to being a U.S. ally, lies at a ``strategic crossroads'' for oil from the Caspian Sea region. "

"Russia's military push beyond the separatist region of South Ossetia is intended ``to send a signal to any country that chooses to associate with the West.'' "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=abPV3XxtHTJQ&refer=home

Jack

Hey Pogo, Jamie,

I just cut and paste,

But I've always wondered how you get an "ay" out of "oe".

Jack

Jack

Every once in a while I feel we are the totally unpaid and completely oblivious powers behind the throne. We have all the ideas, observations and words, and they get all the money and glory.

Do something about that would you?

Jamie, the RBC decision was the final straw for me too.

"It looks like McCain reads trailmix -- posted by whskyjack"

don't know about him, jack, but you would be amazed by some of the big guns who read us -- that's why i try so hard to keep you guys mostly between the ditches

don't know about him, jack, but you would be amazed by some of the big guns who read us -- that's why i try so hard to keep you guys mostly between the ditches. Posted by: Craig Crawford August 13, 2008 10:42 AM

A few months ago, we were joking around here, talking about this being our own "reality show". Maybe we weren't so far off.

"Just what would make you happy in regard to the way Senator Clinton should mend the division in the party?"
even if she committed hari kari, they would complain that she only did it to make herself a martyr.

corey, based on the picture posted, your dad was a very handsome man. am sure it must run in the family. your posts indicate you have a handsome spirit at least.

Yes, She Can
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 12, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13dowd.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Craig, because I spend too much time in the car traveling to depositions all over the frickin' place, I listen to a lot of Sirius Left. It is amazing to me how often I hear things there that I know were written here the day before. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that some of the biggees read CQPolitics - it's one of the 2 or 3 inside the beltway sources with any credibility.

Jack, I figure you get a long A sound out of OE after a few years of being called Boner in junior high.

It´s been a nice day on the blog..
Going home all.
have a good day..... :-)

"It would have been better to put this language in the platform: “A woman who wildly mismanages and bankrupts a quarter-of-a-billion-dollar campaign operation, and then blames sexism in society, will dampen the dreams of our daughters.”

"It's a shame all of her supporters can't commit mass suicide to make the Obama people happy, but then we couldn't march in lock step and robotically cast our votes for the ONE and then hold up our purple fingers later to prove it really is still a Democracy."

Shame on you, Jamie.

Too bad all of this had to happen as I believe that a good campaign does not equate into a good presidency.

Bush is the first example that comes to mind.

Clinton Wouldn't Take Penn's Advice, but McCain Will -
Clinton declined, but McCain won't

"This is a torturous month of what-ifs for Hillary Clinton and her still substantial number of followers.

First, they have to wonder if the Democrat-friendly media that helped her for so long may have doomed her by refusing to follow a John Edwards adultery story that could have given her the Iowa win that Barack Obama used as his nomination springboard."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/mdavis/stories/DN-markdavis_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.4d76bb3.html

Craig

I guess the question that comes to mind is why do they read this blog. It can't be for our brilliance. (although some of us are) And most of the opinions given are of the uninformed coffee shop variety. I can hear much the same disscussion going on around me at the local McD's on a Saturday morning. It even has the mentally unbalanced running around shouting to the world. So any way...........

Jack