Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

If Democrats want to win this election, it is essential that Senator Clinton be the nominee for President.

Wake up Democrats!

I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the low road. She was too concerned with maintaining her dignity and with the good of the party -- ironic, since they then turned around and kicked her in the teeth. She is still worried about the good of the party as she campaigns for BO -- I can't imagine her heart is in it, especially after the low road he took against her, but still she perserveres. That is one tenacious woman and she really does deserve our respect and not the ridicule and villification she receives daily in the press.

I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the low road. She was too concerned with maintaining her dignity and with the good of the party -- ironic, since they then turned around and kicked her in the teeth. She is still worried about the good of the party as she campaigns for BO -- I can't imagine her heart is in it, especially after the low road he took against her, but still she perserveres. That is one tenacious woman and she really does deserve our respect and not the ridicule and villification she receives daily in the press.

Well put Catbalu.

CatBalu

I agree..

CatBalu: My thoughts exactly ... thing is, with that being said & agreed on, we'll be besiege with comments that call us names or sore loosers ...

Hillary is a LADY ....

OFF Top: BEAUTIFUL! since a lot here have gardens, thought this pleasant sight might bring some "ahhhh's"

http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=1221321706636&source=jl999

!:^D
Vivian

CatBalu,

I completely agree with your post:

"I personally don't feel she mismanaged as much as she opted not to take the
low road."

For the media to suggest that any one thing lost Hillary the nomination is
absurd. The media's complete subjective love affair with Obama and Camp
Obama's constant labeling of the Clinton's as racists, Hiilary refusal to attack
Obama with nuclear-negative assaults and label him as un-American, Obama surrogates trashing Bill Clinton's character and presidency, the travesty of how the DNC lined up against Hillary in their back-stabbing, back-room handling of Michigan and Florida voters ALL contributed to why Hillary lost.

For all the "political analysts" to begin circling like sharks over "The Altantic"
article's memos is inane, petty and myopic.

I seems the last few hours, on both of the Trail Mix threads, have beendevoted to punching the Clintons , but, just to take a detour for a moment---
Here's an article I found in the "L.A. Times" today:

"Obama Without His Script," published Aug 12.

I agree that the postponement of decissions is killing, and am a bit at unease that HRC postponed critical decissions...... I think the whole campaign came as a shock, ue to the xpolsion of BO, there was no detailed plan B, and that killed her....
On the other hand, one cannot rule by herself. If the input she gets from the aides is bad, her decissions will be also... I guess..

But, this leak to the press is interesting Craig. I do feel you. I think this election made one thing clear. The Clintons are/ were surrounded by shallow people who did not do things to her benefit and are not fit for the title: loyalists, but were there to collect a pyacheck; have no morals at all as to the being faithful to someone.
The Clintons need to start building, cause their coalition, so called firewall, is not only in shambles, it is not repairable..

What to em is continuously striking is how these things end up in the press....Please refer to my commnets yesterday...Striking that everytime HRC surfaces (one way or the other) it is to dampen teh surge of JmC.... Do it on your own Sir...Please do it on your own. If you have the change mantra, you sure as hell no how to do it on your own!

Oops! Typo in my last post--should read, "been devoted"

Clinton was a mess as a candidate and probably would have been worse as a president. Refusing to deal with the reality that she has ran her campaign so badly that she was out of the running before she really started winning. Then the arrogance of running up a 20 million debt because of her unwillingness or inability to face reality then expecting Obama to pay for her narcissism. We are fortunate that she did not get the nomination as she is in love with power and would have said anything and did to try and get it. We are better off with both of the Clintons just going away.

Typo correction: "Hillary's refusal to attack Obama with nuclear-negative
attacks . .

Corey -- been thinking about you. All I can add (to what others have said) is ..It's been over 4 years and I still think of my mum every day..but now I can smile instead of cry -- well, most of the time. Take care, dear.

CatBalu;......You're right!!!!

prof marcia; 1:48 am...... I agree with you also, to a point. I fimly believe that most of the discredit that comes upon Hillary is mostly media contrivance.

The way the press treated them when Bill was president, and when he was campaigning for her. David Shuster saying that they were "pimping" Chelsea, KO's rants, Rachael Maddow, and Michelle Bernard, msnbc has to be in the tank totally for obama. Jack Cafferty, and others who will brook no disagreement. They all know that if Hillary were to win, the access of the press to the WH would diminsh "a bunch", and who could blame her, not me - if they had of said that about my daughter, I'd be suing the network's ass off.

And we all know that "sources" get paid, especially by scum like the enquirer.

I see that Cindy Sheehan has qualified to run against ms. pelosi......Go Cindy.............

Rita

It is sad that some people can´t imagine that none of these two remaining candidates have the ability to lead in my opinion.
The moment you don´t fall in line behind BO you are an angry frustrated Clintonista not willing ot see the big picture. LOL
Well, I am certainly not an angry frustrated Clintonista. I am an American who is seeing that either JmC or BO will be major steps back for our country. I am therefore not voting in November. I am aware that JmC can become the president. But , I do not see major differences with either Him or BO running the country. it is plusses and minusses in both camps and when you come to the end conclusion, we are better off withouth both of them.
There......my reasoning for not voting in November

Is anyone seeing that Michael Phelps(swimming) is on course to take 9 golds. He is allready at # 5......
The Williamses(tennis) won three matches on one day..WHEW!!!!!!

Interesting. I see your point, Craig, but pretty much disagree with you.

For one thing, if her workers leaked any of this because they were afraid they'd be blamed, I think they were right. They don't show themselves in a good light, fighting rather than working with each other. There have apparently been leaks all along, and you know Hillary didn't do it.

Another thing they have proved is that Hillary knew what was right and wrong, and did the right thing. Bush
was stubborn in doing the wrong thing because he didn't know the difference between right and wrong..

And above all else, even with a staff un-equal to the task, she still matched Obama head-to-head.
The primaries she won were all secret ballots, not an exhibit in front of powerful figures.

Obssessive and rigidly disciplined people might be great in secret ops, but it can be scary in ordinary life.

KGC - what a bummer about your computer. When I go to Strawberry, I'll take mine but it is such a drag because it's all dial up. So you guys will probably get some breaks from my pedantic musings. Or course, my brain will ptobably explode from pent up ravings!

Keep in touch, KGC, and work on getting another time sucker.....er..., I , mean computer.

Corey, just read about your dad and his obit. So sorry for you and the family.

"May the road rise to meet you.
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face.
May the rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the hollow of His hand."

tt

Putin's Eyes: His Soul:

"PRESIDENT BUSH: I will answer the question. I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country. And I appreciated so very much the frank dialogue."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010618.html

It takes one to know one?

tt

"so many aides were willing to share private matters publicly"

Craig, just how many finks are we talking about here? and are they the rat's that jumped ship before it stopped sinking?
btw, certain bloggers hereon should eat their words about you being in the tank for hrc.

Craig,

I'm astonished that you're blaming the betrayal by those on Hillary's staff as being her fault. It's clear to me that there were moles planted from the beginning, and that there's something bigger here than meets the eye.

Oh, and the Spy Talk story is very interesting - maybe even frightening.Posted by: bethyboo | August 13, 2008 12:53 AM

Bethy, thanks for mentioning that spy talk blog. I checked it out a few times, and then forgot about it for some reason. I'm going to start reading it again.

Catbulu, Marcia, Rita and others,

Those leaks were no surprise to me.
This whole election has been a sham since the beginning.

Good Morning, chloe,

You wrote, "This whole election has been a sham since the beginning."

So, true! We are left with two incredibly flawed candidates, when the one
who could have strongly steered this country in a better direction has been marginalized and strong-armed out of the race.

this disgusting woman who put up with an unfaithful husband for years because she thought he would pave the way for her presidency is so upset with her, that's HER, failure that she's willing to sabotage the most important election in the past 100 years.

god bless and protect our country and senator obama.

I suspect that at least half the senior staff of campaigns are not there because of love for country, devotion to the candidate, or some similar altruistic reason.

this disgusting woman who put up with an unfaithful husband for years because she thought he would pave the way for her presidency is so upset with her, that's HER, failure that she's willing to sabotage the most important election in the past 100 years.

god bless and protect our country and senator obama.

Posted by: JP, milltown, nj | August 13, 2008 7:09 AM

It continues to amaze me how everyone seems to know exactly what went on end still goes on in the Clinton household. Amazing..... :-)

And still, it is HRC who is going to sabotage the most important election in 100 years... This is so laughable, it actually makes me sad...But then again..Ignorance is a choice

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story
More likely, uncompromising Clinton supporters will experience those emotions not when Clinton is given her due but when Obama officially clinches the nomination.

The above paragraph is from that same opinion piece.
Wait until we have a nominee. Then we can decide what we want to do.

I'm suspicious that Craig is just trying to pull the party together. As in: Be good children: get in line. Not yet.

But doing the right thing, doesn't mean we have to lie to ourselves about what happened. To some of us, that would be denying the obvious.

Good morning, thought some of you might enjoy this article- Hillary Earned A Roll Call
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/martinez/story/1175422.html

The laying blame on Hillary instead of acknowledging that she chose to take the high road in not attacking Obama's "lack of american roots" and not releasing the tape, is just more of the same from the biased media. The emails don't expose and aren't in line with the media's meme of her being ruthless, her irrational ambition, Hillary will say or do anything to get elected -but it is in line with their own actions of slanted, warped (journalism?) Not directing this at you Craig or including you in the biased media - was thankful during the primary and remain so for your own unique voice. We just happen to disagree on this one.

"she could tamp the division down, but has not done so."

dog,

Just what would make you happy in regard to the way Senator
Clinton should mend the division in the party?

She's already given endless speeches in support of Obama and smilingly stood beside him at several events. She has dutifully not signed
the official form to put her name into nomination at the convention. She has
consistently instructed her supporters to vote for Obama.

If there are still large numbers of people not on Obama's team,
please give specific instructions as to how Senator Clinton should
inspire these folks with Obama spirit.

Not directing this at you Craig or including you in the biased media - was thankful during the primary and remain so for your own unique voice. We just happen to disagree on this one.
Posted by: oldseahag | August 13, 2008 7:38 AM

Yes Craig. I have nothing but respect for you. Even when we disagree.

Agree with CatBalu. Hil'ry took the high road, McCain takes the low road...and Mac beats BO on the bonnie, bonnie banks of November.

But Craig, don't you think that maybe she decided to do that because the media would've been all over her if she had done that to their darling? The GOP can get away with it; another Dem, no way.

She would've lost voters and maybe some of the primaries that she ended up winning late in the season as people started to question what BO was really all about. (I haven't gotten a clear answer on that yet.) She made the right move.

At least some folks can change their assumptions about Craig after this article. As most of us can see, he's very equal-opportunity when it comes to political views.

As for disloyalty, can anyone in politics really be trusted to have anyone's back? How long ago were these memos actually made available? Maybe right after BO was announced lord-n-savior? As he has lost his minty freshness, do they have any regrets about doing so? Are they thinking that maybe they should've stuck by Hil'ry because BO is gonna lose & she's gonna be the nom in 2012?

Tried to turn on MoJo out of habit. MSNBC had Russia/Georgia women's beach volleyball. Really? Were they expecting a fight like at the Russian/Hungarian men's water polo match in the 50s? As the announcer said, the Georgian team is made up of Brazilians given citizenship to play for Georgia, so there's not a lot of hostility. Wanna bet the producers who decided to air that match didn't know that? Would this match have been covered if it weren't for the conflict?

We're not gonna play with you if you can't be nice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080813/pl_afp/georgiarussiaconflictus

Liar, liar pants on fire. (ps - They are also not the father of Rielle Hunter's baby.)

"At first, Russia said separatists — not Russian forces — had done the job. But the claim rang hollow — an AP reporter saw 135 Russian military vehicles heading toward the gorge Tuesday and Russia is the military patron for the separatists."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

".... The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."

Dog, the neo-Democratic Party didn't need to purge me--I purged all by myself. Turned in my Yellow Dog card, starting returning letters, stopped giving to Party organs, and declared myself an Independent, although I will caucus with the Clinton Democrats. :)

I was around when Mr Carter started playing Chicken of the Sea as our tuna boats were being held hostage. I don't want to go through the same thing with Mr Obama.

And, see, I said all that, as did you, without frothing at the mouth, or becoming intemperate.

And, now, it is time to get ready for another stint in the dental chair.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127467ommenolt-127467

oldsea, thanks for that link - another good one.

In addition, I feel these emails were released now to deflect attention from Obama's lack of clear lead in polls and poor performance this week regarding Georgia. I think the Obama camp is getting a little nervous.

"but she does not have the skillset to be president. That's not due to gender. A woman will be president, very likely within the next 4-5 elections."

Not if women like some on this blog have anything to say about it. A great deal of self hatred directed at the female candidate here...

"god bless and protect our country and senator obama"

Idiots like you will be wanting "In Obama We Trust" on the dollar bills next....

good morning gang....

we just had an exciting and grueling primary season where both parties' side were wide open.... two candidates have finally been chosen..... it's only 2 weeks away from convention season.... and what is the media focused on..... the Clintons....

that doesn't say much for the candidates that each side picked.... the media is already bored....

I guess this too shall pass....... someday.....

No, but she will be blamed for sandbagging BO's chances no matter what she does, so she might as not go quietly into that dark, Denver night.

corey - I'm sorry for your loss.

"Should she start holding signs along de I 95? Should she start cleaning his room?
The woman is campaigning for crying out loud and still it is not enough?
She is doing what HE is aksing...If he asks, she delivers....

Give me a break man. This is absurd...."

Hear, hear, Jason!

"and what is the media focused on..... the Clintons...."

Renee, when you think of it that way, it is funny.

Beacuse he will fucking lose this election and everyone knows it. BO will lose in year when the republican presidents approval rate is at a historic low (26%), When the republican candidate is totally out of synch with reality and the economy and when the USA is at the crossroads....
That is why all the blame and all the talk about the Clintons continues...Blame her....we have no fault...
the biggest dickhead of DNC (Dean) is orchestrating every move to make up for his own inability to function in a complete election cycle

excuse my language, I went a wee bit too far....

My pleasure Chloe!

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

And exactly why is it she should do a lot more?

Because she owes it to the party? Because they've all been so good to her that she needs to repay them for their support?

Is it Dean she owes it to? Does she owe it to her supporters (who don't want her to cave in)?

After the convention, she'll be right there supporting the party. Because she wants whats best for this country. Until then, leave her alone and let your guy do his own work for a change.

What Obama people have in common with Bush people:

http://www.theroot.com/id/47621

Excellent post Prof. Marcia. Goldberg should be more careful with his words though "During Obama's make-believe presidency" is dangerously close to sounding racist!

It looks to me like former Clinton staffers are trying to make money/gain power etc by throwing Senator Clinton under the Obama bus. Who knows what is the truth?

I think the Obama campaign which has been unable to close the deal against an incredibly weak Republican Party and candidate needs to revive their primary campaign enemy to fire up their base. Senator Clinton has been gracious in defeat too bad her staff has not.

the smelly drawer is open

And you have the nerve to accuse Obama's supporters of being kool-aid drinkers. Freaks! What sheep you are

When all else fails, call us names.
And thanks for that, it actually helps.

Millstone,

Are you sure you didn't mean

god bless and protect our country from senator obama.

Mark Warner to deliver keynote address. Mixed reaction to Hagel as potential VP

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTApa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD92H9AH00

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

This is simply more misdirection, failure to accept responsibillity by Team Obama for its own failure to secure any recalcitrant democratic voters,as well as
those elusive independents, to date.

It is tiresome and inaccurate to continue to blame Hillary Clinton.

Time to step up to the plate, accept responsibillity for
convincing voters to support Obama, start acting like the winner all Obama cheerleaders/supporter/operatives continue to assert endlessly---stop the blame Clinton routine.

With all the backbiting between parties, the contents never attack her. If she made a serious error, it was expecting campaign people to be as decent as she seems to be. If that is a mistake in judgement, then more people should be like her.

The complete betrayal with the leaked memos tells me that someone was double dealing right from the beginning, probably in the pay or with loyalties to another campaign team. Whoever that person or persons were should never be allowed near another campaign purely on the basis ofm if you will shaft one employer for your own gain, you will shaft another for the next highest biddger.

"Yeah, she could do a lot more."

BS. You won't be happy unless she washes his friggin' feet with her hair.

Posted by: What sheep you are | August 13, 2008 9:03 AM

obama would have a much easier time of it if his supporters were not such [expletives deleted].

"It is tiresome and inaccurate to continue to blame Hillary Clinton.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127497

And unproductive.

[expletives deleted].

Oh boy, Sturge. I can think of a million words to insert.

Dog

""I can't allow a roll call to potentially divide the party, the primary is over and we have a winner -- "

People who keep saying this just don't seem to realize that it would require a rule change. Now I realize that the Democratic party has changed rules at every opportunity to screw with Sen. Clinton and benefit Sen. Obama, but wiping out the party obligation for several thousand people to vote as they were elected to do by the population of their states is going a bit far.

Those people have paid a minimum of $5,000 each (most more) for only one privilege: To stand up when their state is called and cast their vote for their pledged candidate.

This desire of supporters of Sen Obama to wipe out the basic rules of a Democratic society is a little frightening and does not reflect well on him.

Let me know when Obama pays off her debt
all talk no check book

Her donors have given more to him since the close of the primaries

He and his supporters are liars and losers --the evidence is presented here every day

LOL
Craig how many times has this type of stuff been leaked ?
How many time has it been right?

There is a group with in the the second layer of the HRC organization who have reporters on speed dial
They keep leaking information to their pet reporters and since they are't truly in the know they are almost always wrong.

Meanwhile , just another August yawner of a story. Just like the Clinton interview story. But this post will probably be good for your MSNBC gig.

Jack

LOL
Looks like the back channel is happy.
Troll, troll, troll

Jack

"[expletives deleted]."

"He and his supporters are liars and losers" Posted by: Debit Card

I knew someone would find something to fit into there. But it's not an expletive. Guess we'll have to keep trying.

Can't beat McCain
but we can continue to beat Clinton

"T. Boone Pickens has been an oilman for nearly 60 years, but all that experience counted for little last month as the well-schooled octogenarian tycoon took a beating on oil and natural gas bets"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/business/oils_slim_pickens_124275.htm

Dog,

"Even leaving the impression she wanted to take this to the convention, when it was clear her chances of prevailing were so slim, and she really would have ripped the party apart...."

The media can't find statements where she said anything of the sort, so they quote each other "thinking" of "what she REALLY meant" or cut and paste things she does say to make it sound as if she said those things and then the Obama folk fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

She has appeared everywhere he asked her to appear. She has supported his nomination. She has encouraged others to vote for him in November. The only thing she asked is that her supporters be allowed to cast the votes they earned the right to cast even without her name in nomination and with no nominating speeches.

It's a shame all of her supporters can't commit mass suicide to make the Obama people happy, but then we couldn't march in lock step and robotically cast our votes for the ONE and then hold up our purple fingers later to prove it really is still a Democracy.

Corey, thanks for posting the link to your father's obit. Hope the family is hanging in.

to every thing (troll troll troll)
there is a hillary (troll troll troll)
and we can blame her for everything which goes bad
for obama

a time to blame hillary.....a time to blame bill
(cant be 'cause obama is just an empty shrill)

everybody sing along now......
It's all Hillary's fault all of it every bit of it
all hillary's fault cant get quit of it.....

poor poor obama child......just cant get it done

mornin' all.

dog, with all due respect, your argument is full of crap. Obama's support is weaker in the party than you will admit so you and the rest of his rabid supporters are pulling an Axelrod and trying to blame his lack of support on Clinton, to demonize her for his inability to draw that broad support for his vague promise of change and to change the convention rules to make up for his failings and avoid your fear that the superdelegates won't vote as they have said they will. (Using "you" & "your" royally, not individually). NO democratic nominee for president, at least since democratic conventions began being televised, ever won (or lost for that matter) after being nominated at a convention without the names of the other candidates being placed in nomination. It should not happen this time just because Obama's supporters fear that he doesn't have the support necessary among the superdelegates to maintain his aura in the face of normal convention procedures. FWIW, I don't think placing Clinton's name in nomination will cause the upheavel the insecure Obama supporters appear to be afraid of, and if Obama is as good a condidate as you believe, he should be able to beat McCain handily after securing the nomination - and despite his lackluster polling, he still appears to have sufficient support to win enough states to win in the electoral college, so stop acting like the only way he can win is by being unopposed in the convention. Or keep it up and continue to show your lack of confidence in your candidate.

Baaaa, baaaa.

What sheep you are-- I guess with your name you've chosen you are trying to insult Hillary supporters. So sorry, but it isn't even close to working as we know better than others that there is no comparison to sheep when it comes to Hillary supporters. The majority are lifelong democrats who have examined their conscience and painfully decided to not follow party lines for the first time in their lives. They have in fact been threatened, been accused of being racist, been mocked and name called yet bravely stand firm in their convictions. They are not blindly falling in, not being sheepled into voting for a candidate because of their party affiliation, instead they have in their opinion chosen country over Party.

"if his supporters were not such [expletives deleted]."

Cultists? Pricks? Assholes?

now you've done it sturge.
Speaking of ROFLMAO.

"Cultists? Pricks? Assholes?"

good start.

I watched this one it was very exciting, I've very much enjoyed what I've seen of the olympics. Watched the mens team gymnastics the other night , their enthusiasm was contagious

"Phelps, with water in his goggles, trailed Moss Burmester of New Zealand by .03 second at the 50-meter split in his butterfly race, then took the lead and was under world-record pace the rest of the way. After the finish, he ripped off his cap and goggles and threw them onto the pool deck.

``I couldn't see anything for the last 100, my goggles pretty much filled up with water, it just kept getting worse and worse through the race,'' Phelps said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aM8Pkkb7KqLI

Jack

matt taibbi on imus author of "the great derangement"

"dog, with all due respect, your argument is full of crap" pogo

I may have to leave for a while. You guys are killin' me. If I laugh any harder, I'm going to split my side.

sturg, RFLMFAO

Insecurities exhibited by Obama supporters may stem from information like this:

Pennsylavania Poll--Obama leads in PA, but not by much.

Obama 46%; McCain 41%-LV
Obama 44%; McCain 36%-RV

Poll director Terry Madonna said this survey shows Obama has not been able to pull away despite signs it should be a big Democratic year in Pennsylvania.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080813_Poll__Obama_leads_in_Pa___but_not_by_much.html

TECH NOTE: I received reports this morning from IT about recent anonymous comments using fake email addresses. None seemed out of line, so not deleting. But a reminder: Offensive anonymous comments using fake email addresses are subject to deletion.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127519

Beautiful post.

Craig,
Since you're hear, can you please comment on the reaction this morning?

Corey,

Just now catching up and saw the news about your dad, and read his obituary. You have my deepest sympathies...and thanks for sharing every step of this journey with your fellow Trailmixers.

Coreen

That Pennsylvania poll just shows what several of us have been expressing for some time. There are a lot of us dissatisfied with our choices. I would look for a dramatic swing come Sept as folks start paying attention and force themselves to decide.

Jack

"But a reminder: Offensive anonymous comments using fake email addresses are subject to deletion."

Don't worry about me, Craig. I believe in being offensive under my own name. :)

Chloe, see nothing i need to comment about. Interesting discussion. Around here, we're all entitled to our opinions -- and occasionally, our own facts.

Ha, Patsi, you're a stand up gal for sure

jack, Phelps is pretty amazing, no? Spitz reincarnated (although I thought reincarnation occurred after the prior life was dead, but what do I know about that stuff anyway?) I wondered why he didn't do his usual thing at the end of the race - apparently because his eyes wer chlorinated. Ennywho, what a great athlete. LP (the kid who wanted to quit swimming earlier in the season - before he started winning butterfly and freestyle eventsand who currently has long hair) says he wants to get his hair cut like Phelps now.

thanks

I'm saving up my four facts for later.

I'm dealing with food poisoning and so this will be brief but I am now as stunned by reaction to Craig's post as I first was when and evangelical Christian tried to tell me that because the bible "family tree" had the ages of everyone total 3000 years or so, that is the true age of the earth...

Did I see someone was blaming this Clinton issue on the press? I have said since last fall that I didn't think she manage campaigns well. If you think that she was trying to deal with people that were foisted upon her, it doesn't take a competent manager very long to figure out if her team is working well with her and for her. She didn't owe anything to her husband to use any of these incompetent putz's yet she used them anyway.

You say she didn't want to sink to the low road...that's true but I think only because she knew it would push her unfavorables over 50% and into the unelectable category in the general. She acted like a candidate who expected the nomination to be handed to her, very much in the same way McCain is campaigning now.

As for Obama, his biggest problem is that he is getting the scrutiny from the press and many voters that they now regret not giving George W. Bush in the last 2 elections. They chose to blindly ignore the patterns of failures in W's life they are fearful that Obama will yield similar results. I can understand the reasoning behind the argument. So far, Obama hasn't been a failure in his life, hasn't needed his President father and rich friends to bail him out of any messes.

This election will be decided upon the question of whether we want the US to be in a constant war with someone. McCain will try to fight wherever he can to prove that even tough guys have to surrender and I think Obama will do what he can to avoid them in order to use those monies for domestic purposes.

I'm starting to believe that the content of Obama supporters' character is as empty as the suit of their candidate.....

proof..... with the exception of Mr. Democrat.... not a one of them that posts here have been able to muster so much as a little "sorry" to Corey over the passing of his father....

it speaks volumes......

Does anyone know if the living outnumber the dead yet?

Jamie, can we put you on that? You might have it already in your extensive Malthusian files.

Anyway, that would be a good fact to have. Then I would have a total of FIVE facts in my possession.

by the way, just added to today's posting above, CQ producer Andrew Satter's interesting report and video on Clinton enthusiasts

Jack,

A dramatic swing in September--surely--question will be--which way does it swing.

Bear

This election will turn on who can make nervous suburbanites the most comfortable. The war people have already chosen a side. They aren't the great unknown/undecided.

Jack

Prof Marcia

You mentioned "Obama Without His Script" above without the link. I went hunting

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg12-2008aug12,0,1732729.column

Just for info, it is Jonah Goldberg. Anything he says in relation to anything to do with a Democrat should be taken with a large canister of salt. He is decidedly a right wing activist and you have to pick and choose very carefully among the droppings to find a pearl.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127539

Bear, that's some lucid thinking for somebody with food poisoning. What was your poison? Give us the consumer alert. Hope it wasn't killer tomatoes, because i didn't buy that one and eat them every day.

ha, Lardass, five facts is a lot for one day. You might get snagged by our vicious spam filter.

Craig,

"and occasionally, our own facts."

I would appreciate it if you ever see anything that is technically wrong in relation to convention rules and procedures, if you could let us know simply because you are more likely better connected.

yep.....bear is definitely not on the [expletive deleted] list pertaining to O supporters.

LL, ignore the CQ vicious spam filter. If you can't make up facts, what's the point in living after all???

Coreen

If I was to bet with real money , I would put it on the swing going to Obama, just because the Republicans are in the tank this year. But it won't be because Obama is such a brilliant campaigner. He is still having trouble reaching out beyond his primary base.

Jack

Corey, sorry to hear your dad passed - i couldn't get online yesterday, so I wasn't aware until now. Lost both my parents in the last 3 years - I hated to see them suffer, and hope your dad didn't. Take care of yourself.

hahahahahahaha
LOL @ sturgeone

Pogo
We live in a world of made up facts. So much so that my BS meter often over heats and explodes. Especially, befor my second cup of coffee.

Jack

Just played the video. I think the PUMA person is living in a bit of a dreamland. I genuinely cannot believe anyone sincere in their support of Senator Clinton would forget first and foremost that she is a Democrat.

I can understand staying home, voting for a third party candidate, or voting for Obama with less than blissful enthusiasm. But voting for McCain after all we have been through in the last seven years? I doubt there is enough to sway the election, but there is enough to make a difference in Presidential favorability, mandate, and dealings with Congress.

Craig,

"and occasionally, our own facts."

I would appreciate it if you ever see anything that is technically wrong in relation to convention rules and procedures, if you could let us know simply because you are more likely better connected. Posted by: Jamie

Jamie,
I was wishing Craig would elaborate on that too. That 'our own facts' really left me hanging there, trying to figure out what he meant.

Renee

A number of folks responded to Corey over on his Blog. I know Dog did and so did Dooty. There were others but memory fails.
MD removed himself from my worthless list with his response to Corey, not that I think he is worried about my opinion of him.

Jack

no hidden meaning there, chloe. just kidding around.

Well thanks again then, Craig. I would have wondered about it all day (as in: are there facts I'm not seeing).

and as far as party rules go, i don't follow them too closely because on both sides they are made to be broken -- the underlying political leverage is what i follow: in other words, "Might Makes Right" is the only rule that's truly followed

bear....
hope you feel better very soon.....

Jack.... thanks for letting me know that some went to Corey's blog.... it was really bothering me..... I felt the same way after seeing MD's response....

the sun is shining..... and for one day.... it's not supposed to rain here.... I need to get off this machine and go outside.....

My sister said to me the other day, "With all the people in this world, how did we end up with these two as our choices for President?" My Mom had said the same thing to me a few months ago.

Mean while under the "there is more to politics than the latest HRC story" column

Troubles in Republican land.

"As the House's top-ranking Republican, Boehner (pronounced BAY-ner) says he knows that if the party stumbles badly on Nov. 4, his post will be on the line when Republicans pick their leaders for the next Congress"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=acmsTvrSj7jM&refer=home

Jack

And some on this site have been blaming the women for everything.

Obama's problem with white, male voters

"THE MOST remarkable fact of the 2008 presidential election is that it remains a close race. Democrats have not known such favorable political terrain since 1932, yet what should be a blowout is looking like a blanket finish.

The fundamental reason is white men. Like Al Gore in the summer of 2000, Barack Obama is roughly splitting white women. But only 34 to 37 percent of white men support Obama, according to the Gallup Poll's latest weekly index of 6,000 voters

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/08/13/obamas_problem_with_white_male_voters/

""Might Makes Right" is the only rule that's truly followed"

As we saw with the four stolen "just because we can" delegates at the Rules Committee meeting.

That was the single move that set me firmly against Dean, Brazille and company in perpetuity. It was a totally unnecessary slap in the face and probably did more to create the PUMA forces than anything else that has happened this season.

Your sister and mom are right on Corey.

My sister said to me the other day, "With all the people in this world, how did we end up with these two as our choices for President?" My Mom had said the same thing to me a few months ago.

Posted by: Corey | August 13, 2008 10:23 AM

Because Corey: Sometimes a nation deservers the leaders they get! We deserve it, because we as a people do not know how the value true leaders..

**sigh******

I'm pretty shocked by this too Craig... I used to be an avid viewer of the soap ANOTHER WORLD and as dramas go, this one has the intrigue, back-stabbing, cheating and lying. What I have particularly learned from all the leaked papers is that Mark Penn really is a nasty person. I can truly understand why Obama supporters do not want to help Hillary reduce her campaign debt when he was behind a lot of the ideas for negative campaigning. Also, he's like a pig in the trough. How much money did he suck up from hard working people who contributed to Hillary's campaign because they wanted to help her? It just makes me shudder.

I still believe in Hillary, but it's clear she was poorly served by many around her and primarily from HOG PENN.

jack, I guess one man's facts are another man's fancy.

and jack, around here it's pronounced BOAN-er.

Jack

Whenever Stephanie Miller plays anything said by Boehner, she always plays a voice box intoning:

"HOW LONG CAN THIS BONER LAST?"

And then recites the little grammatical poem: When two vowels go walking, the first does the talking.

Jamie

It looks like McCain reads trailmix, He stole both of our talking points, lol

"Addressing the crisis for the second straight day, McCain said Georgia, in addition to being a U.S. ally, lies at a ``strategic crossroads'' for oil from the Caspian Sea region. "

"Russia's military push beyond the separatist region of South Ossetia is intended ``to send a signal to any country that chooses to associate with the West.'' "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=abPV3XxtHTJQ&refer=home

Jack

Hey Pogo, Jamie,

I just cut and paste,

But I've always wondered how you get an "ay" out of "oe".

Jack

Jack

Every once in a while I feel we are the totally unpaid and completely oblivious powers behind the throne. We have all the ideas, observations and words, and they get all the money and glory.

Do something about that would you?

Jamie, the RBC decision was the final straw for me too.

"It looks like McCain reads trailmix -- posted by whskyjack"

don't know about him, jack, but you would be amazed by some of the big guns who read us -- that's why i try so hard to keep you guys mostly between the ditches

don't know about him, jack, but you would be amazed by some of the big guns who read us -- that's why i try so hard to keep you guys mostly between the ditches. Posted by: Craig Crawford August 13, 2008 10:42 AM

A few months ago, we were joking around here, talking about this being our own "reality show". Maybe we weren't so far off.

"Just what would make you happy in regard to the way Senator Clinton should mend the division in the party?"
even if she committed hari kari, they would complain that she only did it to make herself a martyr.

corey, based on the picture posted, your dad was a very handsome man. am sure it must run in the family. your posts indicate you have a handsome spirit at least.

Craig, because I spend too much time in the car traveling to depositions all over the frickin' place, I listen to a lot of Sirius Left. It is amazing to me how often I hear things there that I know were written here the day before. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that some of the biggees read CQPolitics - it's one of the 2 or 3 inside the beltway sources with any credibility.

Jack, I figure you get a long A sound out of OE after a few years of being called Boner in junior high.

It´s been a nice day on the blog..
Going home all.
have a good day..... :-)

Too bad all of this had to happen as I believe that a good campaign does not equate into a good presidency.

Bush is the first example that comes to mind.

Clinton Wouldn't Take Penn's Advice, but McCain Will -
Clinton declined, but McCain won't

"This is a torturous month of what-ifs for Hillary Clinton and her still substantial number of followers.

First, they have to wonder if the Democrat-friendly media that helped her for so long may have doomed her by refusing to follow a John Edwards adultery story that could have given her the Iowa win that Barack Obama used as his nomination springboard."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/mdavis/stories/DN-markdavis_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.4d76bb3.html

Craig

I guess the question that comes to mind is why do they read this blog. It can't be for our brilliance. (although some of us are) And most of the opinions given are of the uninformed coffee shop variety. I can hear much the same disscussion going on around me at the local McD's on a Saturday morning. It even has the mentally unbalanced running around shouting to the world. So any way...........

Jack

Corey, I've been out of touch the last couple days and haven't really read many posts. I am sorry to hear about your Dad. I hope you and your family are ok.

Tom

Dog,
There's really no reason to treat Jamie as though she has said something she needs to be ashamed of.

I've been noticing you putting a lot of effort in being fair. You have great communication skills (as does Jamie). So why not use them, instead of trying to make her feel bad.

A Sign That The DNC and “The One” are Channeling Stalin

"It seems that a Democratic delegate committed a cardinal sin against The State.

She criticized The One.

In true Orwellian fashion, the delegate she emailed did his or her “job” and reported the dissenting email to The Comrades. The General of the Colorado Democratic Party, William Compton, also did his job as well, and sent her a loving “Democratic” Party letter.

“You are hereby directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these comments,” the letter said"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/13/a-sign-that-the-dnc-and-the-one-are-channeling-stalin/

"trying to blame his lack of support on Clinton,"

Pogo,

Sorry to jump in here, but I don't think Obama or his supporters are blaming her for any lack of success he's experiencing. I (some) think they could be a little more supportive in tamping down her most ardent fans i.e. PUMA. I'm not familiar enough with the DemCon rules to understand how that's being interpreted, but it's obvious from her support (comments) here, that many feel there's still hope for her nomination and that, I'm sure, doesn't help Obama.

One of my concerns is the notable lack of support by "so -called" Democrats. It seems now that many are really just fair-weather members of the party. This is particularly noticeable among Hillary's voters. I have to assume many would rather have McCain in the office rather than another Democrat. Oh, many say they're not going to vote either way, but what good is that! Or,they live in a red State. Same thing. Yeah, it's everyone's right to vote their conscience, but the Dem party is more than Obama, it represents many issues.

"but the Dem party is more than Obama, it represents many issues."

Rez
I believe that is the core to many of the points being made by HRC supporters. The party has become unfriendly to them. It is their party too.

Jack

Jack

This blog is probably an intense microcosm of the general public attitude. There are strong, intelligent voices on both sides of the equation. If we are strong here, then we are probably strong elsewhere. That spells "opinion leader" to the powers that be.

Because Craig is so balanced in his analysis, we haven't turned into a totally one sided piece of the political spectrum. We all tend from moderate to left with a couple of farther right contributors, so it probably reflects the likely voters fairly well when combined with more substantive materials such as polling and registration.

jamie, you expect too much.

I read today's thread by Craig and before clicking on the comments section, I thought: I'll bet these poor, deluded Clinton souls miss the whole point of the TM. Sure enough, you guys don't disappoint.

Ready on Day One? It turns out that Hillary wasn't ready past Super Tuesday.

pogo,
I saw you said earlier that you had computer problems.
I was wondering what happened to you yesterday.
It's more interesting when you're here.

Erasing The Race Factor
Barack Obama has a problem. He really, really doesn't want this campaign to be about race. He wants it to be about change, President Bush, the economy, gas prices, Iraq, Afghanistan -- almost anything else. But it is going to be about race, at least in part. That's the lesson of recent weeks, when the McCain campaign brought up race (on the pretext that Obama had brought it up first). The Obama campaign tried desperately to change the subject but couldn't. Once the chum was in the water, the media sharks went wild.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202827.html

Rez, I disagree in part, based on what I'm hearing coming out of the Obama camp. The solutions being floated to his failing to secure a convincing hold on the nomination and what should be a solid lead over a weak Republican candidate strike me as based largely on ACOCD criticisms of Clinton (actually both of them) and manipulation of the convention rules and procedures to avoid an anticipated embarassment that is based on going into it with a virtual tie in support and lack of confidence in the outcome. You may disagree - fine - but that's what I'm seeing and hearing from the Obama supporters, including such "unbiased" political commentators as Maureen Dowd, who defines Anti-Clinton Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Thanks, chloe - for some unexplained reason I was unable to get on the internet through the wireless network in the hotel where I was attending the deposition of a liar for half the day and I was in my car the other half.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127604

Yeah, defend this, dog.

In the interest of being 'fair and balanced', I feel I must link this.

Here come The Clintons
They're baaacckkk.
Rested and ready, the Clinton crew is busy stirring the pot again.

"This is definitely not the vacation Obama had in mind. From the headlines about Edwards' sordid romps to the Russians' brutal reminder of their Evil Empire days, his downtime before the convention begins Aug. 25 hasn't been stress-free."
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/08/13/2008-08-13_here_come_the_clintons.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127595

Jamie

I must say that the comment following yours just blew your whole theory out of the water. lol
I will say that most days we look less like a preschool coming down from a sugar high then others. But we have our 'special people' .

Jack

Here's the latest from Politico on the liklihood of a landslide.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/polls-show-obama-landslide-unlikely/131566

Chloe,

This is exactly the thing I was talking about where the media puts the most negative or altered spin that they can on quotes or events.

"One day she's on a YouTube video talking about the need for a "catharsis" at the Democratic convention, which sounds suspiciously like a demand to have her name put in nomination for a roll call. Then an interview surfaces of Bubba refusing to say Obama is ready to be President. And close aide Howard Wolfson rips the scab off the primary wounds by saying Hillary would have won if the media had exposed John Edwards' affair earlier. "

The You Tube clip is an ANSWER to a question from a disheartened backer and if you listen to the whole thing it concentrates on "counting" not nomination. The Bubba quote was so sliced, diced and pasted that unless you went looking for the whole video, you never heard all the praise he heaped on Senator Obama. Wolfson is Wolfson. He likes to stir things up but is hardly quoting either of the Clintons.

This constant confusion between News and Opinion and the way the two keep merging of late and then get slathered with slant is really infuriating.

Chloe
Interesting editorial not for what was said tho.

Look at this statement on Obama's weakness

"Now that she's back, her shadow is magnified by his weakness. The more he underperforms the generic Democratic brand, the larger she looms"

Yet in the end it is all Clintons fault. The whole editorial seemed to go this way. with various "obama is weak" statements , yet the conclusion is always "it is clintons fault.

lol

Somebody needs to tell folks that it is the Republicans who are the opposition.

Jack

"Clinton horribly mismanaged her own people. Postponing critical decisions until the roof caved in, and then forcing her staff to manage the damage control. Not a pretty picture for running the country."

This summarizes Clinton's campaign perfectly. I think Clinton's other fault (along with the media) was giving her supporters the false notion that the race was 50/50 after February. This deluded them into giving her more and more money that was flushed into her campaign black hole. Maybe that's why those same supporters won't give her any more money to retire her debt?

jack - that comment was typical, no? BTW, the next one was typically misleading - the $106 figure was money spent before IA & NH. She came in 3rd in Iowa (a caucus, right?) - just behind the fallen idol who had spent a year and a half personally shining the shoes of every Iowan in an attempt to win there - but then won NH.

Pogo

I'm more inclined toward the Real Clear electoral numbers than the Gallup daily national numbers

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

If accurate, Obama needs less than 40 of the battleground votes and McCain needs more than 100, and I think Real Clear is being fairly conservative.

I commented about this the other night at the New thread changeover.

McCain Camp Manager: He Could Make One-Term Pledge (VIDEO)

I saw this seemingly innocuous bit of reporting and it got my cynical mind to wondering.

Why would John McCain be promoting himself as a one termer?

Could it be a message to Hillary voters and some anti-Obama Democrats.

"Help me win this one and then you guys can have the next one." You know, a kind of let's keep it in the family message "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/10/mccain-camp-manager-he-co_n_118011.html

"Somebody needs to tell folks that it is the Republicans who are the opposition."

Jack, indeed.

Jamie
There you go again thinking facts matter.

The whole world seems to have adopted the communist model, "say what you want to be reality , then say it loudly and often.

It is really putting stress on my BS meter.

Jack

"Somebody needs to tell folks that it is the Republicans who are the opposition."

You're right Jack. It's weird.

jamie, I tend to agree with you about relying on the RCP numbers (I just happened to run across the Politico article and thought I'd link it) - I don't generally even look at Gallup projections of EC tallies. Of course if RCP is following its normal practice it is relying on the average of polling (genearlly the latest 5) from various pollsters in the various states to project the EC numbers, and I presume that Gallup is relying on their own polling.

Jamie
my above comment was in regard to this post.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127610

Pogo

Something else, when you go to pollster you see that a lot of the individual state most recent polls are often a week or two old so the averages are even farther behind. It does look like there are a lot of undecided and As I said earlier today my money is they will swing mostly to Obama.

Jack

Let's just do the smart thing - nominate Senator Clinton for President.

The Church of Obama should be nervous. The GOP hasn't even brought in the real attacks and Obama is reeling in what should be a Democratic landslide year.

The dramatic effect of a firm nudge

"In the past three decades, psychologists and behavioural economists have learnt that people’s choices can be dramatically affected by subtle features of social situations. For example, inertia turns out to be a powerful force. If people’s magazine subscriptions are automatically renewed, they renew a lot more than if they have to send in a renewal form. Moreover, people are influenced by how problems are framed. If told that salami is “90 per cent fat-free” they are far more likely to buy salami than if they are told it is “10 per cent fat”.

No sensible person could argue that government action should be limited to nudges. But too often governments resort to coercion when gentler approaches, preserving freedom of choice, are at least as effective.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/380082b8-687c-11dd-a4e5-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

I've got to get some work done.
Thanks for a fun day.

Craig,

My Consumer alert is for Sam's Club's 16" pepperoni pizza. Something about the cheese didn't taste right and lord knows it didn't right...

dog's eye..I'm beginning to feel like it is McGovern all over again.

McGovern, at least, had a distinguished background which Obama lacks.

When the fringes of the party begin making decisions, danger lurks.

Either Hillary or Gore would be better candidates than Obama.

Wake up Democrats!

"Yet in the end it is all Clintons fault."

Jack,

IF he loses it won't be because of Hillary.

Things could be worse. We could have nominated John Edwards.

Chloe: are you in the financial or management field?

No Dog - I'm more of a 'rancher'. The only thing I manage are a bunch of animals.

Have a good day.

I know that Obama is not a fringe candidate. He is an unprincipled candidate who is nothing like his worshippers think.

He lacks accomplishment, experience, honesty, and has no understanding of the contributions the Democratic Party has made to this country.

His fringe supporters, combined with the Americdan Idol generation, are the problem.

McGovern's main opposition was Senator Ed Muskie.
The press killed Muskie's campaign. Muskie would have been our sgtrongest candidate in a difficult race against Nixon.

McGovern is a person of character and accomplishment, although a weak candidate.

I remember going to a McGovern rally on the steps of the Pioneer Courthouse in Portland. I was struck by the glazed looks on the faces of his young supporters, quite similar to what we are seeing now.

Everyone have a good day..off to work..

Maybe this is how Hil'ry campaigns for BO. By keeping the focus off of him (and it helps to leave the mainland and not hold Euro-rallies), he stays under the radar.
I am ready for the debates.

Yeah, I can't go with the no-Edwards scenario helping Hil'ry; even I didn't like her chances in the gen'l or know if she really had the stuff do handle the job back then.

The more debates she took part in, the more she stayed in when everyone was begging her to move aside for the glorious one, the more I believed in her ability to handle the office. I still do, despite the rats in the cellar who are probably trying to jump to BO's ship, unaware that it is sinking.

rez - I don't think McCain's one-termer was code to Hil'ry's folks to vote for him. I think it was a way to asuage the concerns some had about his age. What you would get with that scenario is, for example, a Romney who now has extra cred because he has been veep. That's actually a bad thing for Dems.

Blue

I can't wait for the debates either. Let's hope Sen. Obama had Sen. Clinton on debate prep. :-) Being forced to go up against her repeatedly made him a great deal better, and he is going to have to be damned good for any slip not to be slanted in McCain's favor.

I'm really bothered by the seeming McCain/Bush belicose response to Russia. Support of Georgia needs to be done, but not quite so many "fighting words".

"I've been noticing you putting a lot of effort in being fair. You have great communication skills (as does Jamie). So why not use them, instead of trying to make her feel bad."

Nope -- dog is never "fair." What she is is passive aggressive. She coats all her snide comments with just enough sugar to disguise the taste.

And Patsi's just nasty, with a bitter aftertaste.

"It seems now that many are really just fair-weather members of the party. This is particularly noticeable among Hillary's voters."

I can't tell you how much this pisses me off, Rez. I'll put my forty years of democratic support against most. I think you'd be frothing at the mouth if the Dems "nominated" Pol Pot and some of us didn't support him.

Craig,

Here's a further thought about Hillary...

The more you analyze the Clinton campaign, the more you realize that she thought she could invoke her husband's presidency and right that good feeling back to the White House. She was hoping this would outweigh her high negatives.

I think it's most telling that her husband stuck her with his worst advisers. If he really wanted to get her elected, he would have had Carville and Begala come out of retirement and she would have then had things wrapped up on Super Tuesday.

Instead, she got served a shit sandwich, she showed how clearly vulnerable she was after all and that's what started the negative press and feeding frenzy which I think many Clinton supporters point to as being unfair and over the top.

"Obama is not well known on the national scene, but has much better judgment than she does, an ability to take a longer view, and is less beholden to the Democratic machine. "

Biggest crock on today's page.

"she couldn't even decide whether or not to run that racist piece of campaign filth the 3:00 AM ad,"

Sweet Jesus -- that ad was in no way racist. God a'mighty you are turning this man into an affirmative action poster boy.

post of the day - "And Patsi's just nasty, with a bitter aftertaste."

runner-up - "If Democrats want to win this election, it is essential that Senator Clinton be the nominee for President.

Wake up Democrats!"

Just as you've turned Hillary Clinton into the second coming of Susan B. Anthony.

Don't support him and get what's given to you, Patsi!

Oh, that's right you're in TN. Middas not even vote.

Arkansas party chairman critical. Shooter in custody

"On Fox this morning, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine explained how Obama saved Georgia:

“It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.”

Of course the Russians complied with his request. They’ve also started inflating their tires in order to reduce domestic demand and free up oil for export markets. It’s like we don’t even need to elect Obama to the White House–he can stop the rise of the seas, heal the planet, and bring us peace in our time just by issuing press releases from the comfort of his Hawaiian retreat."

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1284

this story sounds like what's being posted here this afternoon. and didn't the same thing happen not long ago in another state to someone else? what's going on?
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/call7investigators/17163668/detail.html

Holy Cow! I hope that quote isn't accurate or Kaine just hit the too dumb to be Veep category. It's one thing to be supportive of your chosen candidate and another to take a jet flight to oblivious.

Yes I am sure Medvedev just dropped everything the minute Obama opened his mouth. Shame on you Tim Kaine.

Julie

dog, that 11:22 post is based only on the "facts" as viewed by the Obama campaign. As I posted earlier - the $16M figure was pre- IA & NH, and Hillary won the primary of those two. That also fails to mention that not all that money was spent in those 2 states, and of the primaries that were contested in the next month or so, HRC won better than half of them, including FL, NY & CA. The 3 a.m. phone call ad was certainly not racist, and only tortured logic gets it to even appear to be. Did Hillary consult with Bill before running it? Probably - he is, after all, her husband, the ex-President and the only Democrat since Johnson to twice run successfully for President. I suppose that "fact" is too inconvenient for the script. Of course, none of that fits the bash-Clinton-at-any-opportunity script, so it goes unsaid.

You may not be afraid the superdelegates will defect, but you are apparentlly afraid of the possibility that her supporters who want to "claw back the nomination" will be driving the action on the convention floor. I don't think they will, but supporting the chicken sh*t approach of changing the convention format and rules to create an appearance of unity while rejecting a democratic process that has been in my estimation the hallmark of the convention does not show the confidence you profess. The bottom line is that you don't trust Hillary and Bill to fall in line as good little Democrats at the convention and profess fawning allegiance to Obama as the savior of the Democratic party and the nation, isn't it? That's fair enough if that's your concern, so long as you acknowledge that as the source of your reservations about a vote on the floor.

Patd
re: your 2:00 pm post. The dnc suppressing delegates opinions, harrassing the sd to vote Obama.
This has all the markings of the chicago machine ruling the dnc. Obama gets shoved down the people's throat, whether they like it or not. Precisely the reason this yellow dog democrat left the party and am now independent. When people are forced and have no individual selection, democracy is not being served.

Julie

The surge worked!!! Oh, wait, that was the tax stimulus package.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/business/economy/14econ.html?hp

Well, it worked for a month, anyway.

We don't have to bash the Clintons. Their "friends" do a good job of it. As for the Clintons at the convention, get used to it. They are part of the Democratic party and not THE Democratic party. They'll get to speak and then leave the stage. Finally. Maybe some of you can hold a vigil outside their home to mourn their political demise.

uhh, that was "$106 M" - damn the typos, full speed ahead.

Julie, you obviously don't understand what being a yellow dog means.

Pogo

The sad fact is if Ted Kennnedy had given Carter as much support as HRC has now given Obama we would have not had a Reagan presidency and If Jesse Jackson had done the same for Dukakis, we would not have had a Bush presidency. Who is behind Obama.?
Maybe they just fear HRC is as low as they are. But time after time she has proven she will take the high road.

Jack

I have a hard time believing what I am reading here. Her campaign was one of the worst run in history. She blew through money needlessly in her largely uncontested Senate campaigns, then found her campaign dead broke a long way from the finish line. She had staff defections and more leaks than any other campaign out there. She changed messages every two weeks. She ran scummy ads (3 AM) and claimed the republican nominee was a better leader than her democratic opponent.

She then sought to aggressively undermine the entire process to advance her own interests by going back on her word about Michigan and Florida (set aside that this was a stupid process to begin with - it was equally stupid for everybody). Fortunately for all of us, she failed. With all the class that I've come to expect from her, she then played the victim, blaming sexism for her own shortcomings and mistakes.

It's a shame that she was the first woman with a real shot. We should have all hoped for a woman that more competent - there are plenty out here.

I'm amazed at the unhinged support for HRC in the face of all the facts that clearly show her to be completely unfit to run this country, despite her obvious brilliance and good intentions. She's a bad manager.

Hey folks keep it up. your support of HRC is driving the Clinton haters nuts. Well maybe nutser, you can't go somewhere when you are already there.

Jack

wonder if this also had anything to do with delegates at the convention?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/13/arkansas.shooting/?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker

"We don't have to bash the Clintons. Their "friends" do a good job of it. " That may very well be the funniest, or at least most ironic, statement posted here today - after over seven months of bashing all things Clinton - including 3 of the 4 posts he posted here today (the fourth being a personal attack on an unapologetic Clinton supporter) and to the point of using the blog synonym "Bye Bye Billary." LOLOL

Patd

Those Arkansawyers take their politics seriously. but was most likely a local matter. After all, whose road gets maintained is way more important than any presidential election.
As someone yesterday said to the winner goes the spoils, to which I say , "and the winner had better be damn careful how he divides up the booty."

Jack

Mr D

I know precisely what a yellow dog democrat is. My family have voted since 1830's democrat. I will have no part of the dnc dirty dealings, so I left them. They left me as well.. When dnc has to resort to vote pampering, leaded votes, caucus tampering, to get their selection pushed unfairly on the people, it is time for those who feel they cannot condone such action to quietly leave them in the dust.

Bear-seems like you have the worst luck health wise, I'll say a prayer for you.

Corey- so sorry for your loss, you too are in my prayers.

Arkansas

29 Clinton Delegates
9 Obama Delegates
13 Super Delegates

Thinking about Booty reminds me

Pirate Song (Salty Dog) - Flogging Molly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCFDT9ELSg

Jack

The gentleman who was shot was the Chairman and a super delegate.

Jack, I didn't buy that in those elections and don't buy it now. (btw, I don't buy Wolfson's take on Edwards' effect on the IA caucuses, either). While the past may have looked different had Teddy (who btw has been lionized by the Obama campaign) and Jesse (who has been largely ignored as an irrelevant relic of the past) not run for president but had been good little followers and supported Carter and Dukakis, that is all unsupportable speculation. Reagan and the economy beat Carter in '80, and Bush 41, invoking a 3rd Reagan term in effect if not in fact, beat Dukakis in '88. But aside from that, HRC has been supporting Obama. Maybe Edwards can step into the role of Obama cheerleader - wait, I guess that's not the best of ideas.

JJD, there are Obama icons at the gift shop just outside the sanctuary. Stop there after the service.

bear - I hope you were sharing that 16" Sam's Club pizza - if not, I think I may have an idea why your digestive tract is in distress. And check to see if it's from China - blue got Chinese Pizza at her local grocery store, and you two are in the same state, after all.

To shift to the bash McCain mode -

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13friedman.html?hp

He has a perfect record on the tax credit for alternative energy bill - just stay the hell away and don't vote. Wouldn't this be part fo the broad energy plan he says he supports - wind, solar, oil, gas, coal, biomass, and all that other jazz? Just don't inflate your tires.

retail sales down - first time in 5 months. Not a very good omen for state of the economy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy

Whisky,

I thought Carter only won 1 state in 1980...I can't believe he took 6. Considering Reagan barely broke 50% of the total vote, you may be on to something but I'm not sure how many of the so called "Reagan Democrats" Kennedy could have kept in the fold.

I'd be curious to hear Craig's perspective on that since he remembers that race far better than me...

Which reminds me, Craig, you should create a scavenger hunt so we can figure out who the big name lurkers are...

Is one of them famous for his trademark "GHH" during news recaps?

Sturg--

Don't know if you're interested in tthe ACLU. In any case, the SC organization is in turmoil and it's charter effectively reclaimed by National. It is in the process of reorganizing.

They are having an open house in Charleston on Aug 21st between 5 and 7. Members and supporters. No RSVP, just drop in at 12 Exchange St right behind the Old Exchange Building.

If it's not something you want to get involved in, then maybe you know somebody it might interest.

I'd kind of like getting some feedback about the group's prospects.

If I was not otherwise committed, I'd go. (translation: if I was able to drive at night, had the energy, was truly motivated, etc., etc.)

btw, that energy bill McCain didn't bother to show up to vote for 8 times is S. 3335. I suggest you go to the Senate site - http://www.senate.gov/ - enter 3335 in the search blck and go read it. It's a very broad bill and has a lot of good stuff in it.

Jack, Julie and Oregon Democrat, thanks for all your comments. In 2004 I volunteered for the Democrats to knock on doors. The meeting for the volunteers was all about Obama, not too much about Kerry/Edwards. I was given 2 big buttons to wear for Obama. I liked the guy and was ready for CHANGE. Spent 4 Sundays knocking on those doors. Obama gets in the Senate, not really having any opposition and gets a million dollar grant for the hospital his wife works at, then his wife Michelle gets a $200,000 raise. Then, he is in Senate for a year and decides to run for President after he promised he would not.

I was not a Hillary supporter, but didn't feel Obama had any experience, and he sure didn't do anything for Illinois. How could he when he only spent a year in the Senate. And, I don't like his associates, you know the ones the media never talks about

So much for CHANGE, same old politics but a little bit dirtier from what I had seen in this primary and the DNC bias toward the Clintons.

I am in my sixties have been a Democrat all my life, but now I too will not fall in line with the Democratic party. Call me a sore loser, an old bat, a crabass, racist, whatever you want, but MAMAKNOWS this guy that has been annointed is a big phoney.

On a netcast Monday night, the guest said a very big story on Obama may break this week or next. He is not working on it, but knows the details. Refused to give any info, only that it would push the Edwards story out of the news. His mention of Edwards could be a clue.

Jamie,
Just being picky because I was saying the same to Max several months ago.

veto-proof Senate = 67, Filibuster proof = 60

Jason; 7:27 am......You are absolutely correct, it is laughable to blame Hillary, but isn't that what the obots are best at - When he starts to drop in the polls it's got to be somebody else's fault - Clyburn said it, if obama loses it will be the Clinton's fault for wearing him out before the general - it couldn't possibly be that he's a FLAWED candidate..........

I see that Bush's russian expert - rice - the most useless human slag on the planet, is mouthing off about sovereignty again. Didn't they say that about Saddam, and Iran that they were a threat to the area's sovereignty. I wonder if anyone is concerned about the sovereignty of Ossetia or Azbakan, maybe not, they have no pipeline.........

Rita

PS: We have a good shot at 57/58 Senate plus two Indies

Russian press referring to this Georgian mess as a "War". Not a good sign.

Corey.... I don't know you, but I do read your posts and you seem to be quite balanced, which is tough enough around here. I am sorry about your father and hope that you are coping.......

Rita

Gordo, that is true, I know the people working on it and was told that it would come out around the 23rd. Although there could be another story out there too.

Jamie,
As has been recounted here over and over, there's good and bad baggage with her, particularly depending on the State. So, maybe yes and maybe no.

For the shallow guy everyone here makes him, don't you think if he thought it would guarantee him the win, he'd pick her? You can't have it both ways. Or would it be his ego in the way?

dirty books season
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/13/america/13book.php
"But books like "Unfit for Command," which remained for some 12 weeks on the Times best-seller list, and, now, "The Obama Nation," have become an effective and favored delivery system for political attacks. There have been anti-Clinton (both Bill and Hillary) and anti-Bush books too numerous to name. The sensational findings in these books, true or dubious, can quickly come to dominate the larger political discussion in the news media, especially on cable television and the less readily detectible confines of talk radio and partisan Web sites."

Rez

I'm one of those who don't think he is shallow. If you go back over all of my comments, I have a great deal of respect for his intelligence and capabilities. I think he will win with or without her.

I don't like his inexperience. I don't like his political ties. I don't like the way the DNC behaved. The people who hate Clinton in the party will vote for him even if she is there. I believe that with her on the ticket, you have a guaranteed landslide and better pull in more of the red states for Congressional seats.

By every measure of where he has weak points (unstudied areas not flaws), she fills the gap. Why keep trying to match him with this person or that person for one positive when you can get all the needed items in one nominee.

It also shuts down the convention protests. Go to vote by acclimation and deprives the Republicans of a major talking point. I like life easy. When you can make it go that way why fight it for the sake of just being cranky.

Sometimes we are so tied up in our own sillyness that we forget.
An article from my neighborhood weekly.

http://www.northeastnews.net/barriers.html

"Riak said she was surprised by the opportunities for women to get an education and all the possibilities of financial aid. She said in Sudan, the men go to school to improve the community, but in America, people go to school to make themselves better people."

Jack

Arkansas shooter has died, so we will probably never learn the "Why?"

Jamie,
Hunky-dory. Maybe she has other plans that don't include VP.
Tango anyone?

Maureen Dowd on Hillary...

It would have been better to put this language in the platform: "A woman who wildly mismanages and bankrupts a quarter-of-a-billion-dollar campaign operation, and then blames sexism in society, will dampen the dreams of our daughters."

Read Patsi. Perhaps you'll learn something.

What a hit job. Interesting timing. Selected emails for most effect. Chicago politics at its worst. Do we know who the leakers are? Solis Doyle, my guess. It has been obvious from the beginning that the only way for Obama and his supporters to win the election is to smear Hillary and Bill Clinton. The democratic party is a disgrace. I'm not the only long time democratic jumping off the this sinking ship. Shameful!

About Social Security and public employees retirement. I don't know if this applies to private, business, pensions.

I can't freakin' hardly believe it. But then again, I'm a middle class We the People. Screwed, yet again.

There are 2 things I just learned about:

The Government Pension Offset (GPO) and the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP).

This is just peachy. My retirement, such as it might be, and my Social Security, that I've paid into since I was a kid, will have so many off sets from each other that I'll be offset to ZERO, probably. Isn't that nice?

And another new, to me thang, Yearly Substantial Earnings. It's $19K this year and to be $20K next. If ya don't make that minimum, your SS year isn't counted. Isn't that marvelous??

So, I've lost several years that I've paid into SS because I didn't earn the then, but identified now, yearly substantial earnings amount.

There're gonna be a lot of use poverty stricken, street folks. I have my street corner picked out. It's got to have WiFi.

tt

Exactly!

Rissia now issuing ultimatums to the United States. WWIII anyone?

But Jamie, Putin's got them Betty Davis EYES.

tt

You know, you really can't make this stuff up.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/08/13/troops.baggage/index.html

Yeah, but what about Putin's soul? That's what Bushie got a sense of when he gazed into his Puti-Puti's eyes.

pogo, it was on the news that American Airlines is charging military folks for their bags, even if they're heading to WAR.

It's always the bottom line.

tt

What Other Secrets is the Media Keeping?

I Know The Secrets That You Keep
"Jerome Corsi, who co-authored the 2004 Swift Boat classic "Unfit for Command" that helped scuttle the SS Kerry is back for Barack...

So Obama has a relationship with Ayers that can be documented from 1995 and almost surely came into being in 1987.....Obama either lied (by ommisison) or had an absurdly hazy memory...- any chance the media will wonder what he is hiding and why?.."
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/08/i-know-the-secr.html

"We don't have to bash the Clintons. Their friends do a good job of it"

I guess they weren't true friends after all, although today a "cherished friend of the Clintons and a Hillary supporter and super delegate was shot.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/13/arkansas-democratic-party-chairman-injured-in-shooting/

Could it have been an Obama supporter sharing some of that hope and unity?

The HRC supporters who continue to push her candidacy will simply have to reconcile themselves to the fact that she lost, and will not be a candidate for President. No machinations will undo the inevitable nomination of Barack Obama. If HRC's supporters' petulance costs Obama the election, her political career will be over and she will not be able to get elected dogcatcher anywhere in American.

"The saddest words of tongue and pen--what might have been."

Perlman

Do try to keep up. No one is expecting a Clinton nomination.

"her political career will be over and she will not be able to get elected dogcatcher anywhere in American."

The dream of every Clinton hater.
How many times has that pronouncement been made?
If Clinton is so dead why is Bill Richardson saying "Here Hillary let me help you with a fund raiser"
Look at him, busy making himself usefull so he can get back in their good graces.

Jack

Perlman:

Well there you go! Blaming Hillary already if the sainted one loses, it is Hillary's fault. BS..

julie

I'm not a Clinton hater at all. Voted for Bill twice. But everyone must know when it is time to leave the stage gracefully.

Gordo is a dedicated cut and past basher pulling in every wacko blog quote he can find and never takes part in actual conversations.

Chloe is partisan but often sweet and conversational. There is a big difference between the two.

Chloe,

Just for reference Jerome Corsi is about as crazed as you can get. Even the far right doesn't give him any credit unless their belfreys are equally bat ridden.

Jack,

Maybe that's because as HuffPObama (and Washington Independent) columnist Ari Melber put it about the Atlantic article: "The promotional material promises an article that "reveals the backstabbing and conflicting strategies that produced an epic meltdown." Using internal memos and a few stray emails, the article delivers all the turmoil and muddled strategies. Green does not come close to proving, however, that nasty infighting caused Clinton's loss. Like most campaign dissection, the piece is so far into the weeds that it misses the big, substantive problems that felled the front-runner."

IOW, well written,well researched article that misses the point. Maybe it's almost as good as winning a small red state caucus.

TT, that's what I guess we should expect when the friggin' idiots running the government outsource troop transportation without making the damned carriers accept the troops' baggage.

OK, enough fun for one day. Later.

Well, one more.

chloe, expect more stuff to come out as the Repug slime machine cranks up into its full tilt anti-Obama boogie - some will have merit, some won't.

ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Perlman.

She is a sitting twice elected Democratic U.S. Senator. She has a huge coterie of voters and her support of Senator Obama for the presidency will be important to the party. Her husband is the last two term President of the party. It makes sense for her to be strongly considered as Veep.

The Obama folks are wasting way too much time attacking Hillary and spinning their wheels on attacking McCain. Try to remember the real enemy.

Jamie,

I don't think P. Perlman said anyone was expecting a Hillary nomination. but I do think P.P was came to a wrong conclusion. As long as Hillary is seen as being supportive of the Dem nominee, she's not going to be held responsible for the petulance of her supporters.

It's Barack's obligation to win over enough voters to put himself in the White House. As long as Hillary isn't caught speaking in code or parseltongue to her supporters, a loss will be blamed on the candidate and his campaign advisers, not former opponents, who are not on the ticket with him.

Tony, I really love you.

Thanks Jack.

Jamie,

I guess you missed my post a while back. I made it clear that I link things that I don't necessarily endorse or agree with. And that still holds.

Now, as far as the things I've read about Obama, I, like a lot of other people believe them. If you want to think that's naive, then so-be-it. But I happen to think some of the Obama worshipers are naive.

And if I have to listen to the crap coming out of their mouths regarding Hillary, and I therefore want to quote someone else writing crap about Obama, then I'm sure as hell going to do it. You guys can consider the source and ignore it. But you're not going to intimidate me into not saying and not quoting what I damn well want to quote.

NYT review of Corsi book

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/us/politics/13book.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1218629698-l5WoesRyaUbnwi14AssKTw

Corsi with Hannity and Colmes

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/jerome_corsi_on_hannity_colmes.html

Chloe

Please go back and read what I wrote about you. I said you were linking for info. I didn't attack you, I attacked Corsi. You can believe anything you want, but if you want an honestly negative voice on Sen. Obama there are much better options than Corsi.

That is horrid about the Arkansas Chair. He was very, very close to the Clintons and a political power in the state and from all info so far a truly decent man.

http://www.cnn.com/

I know that Jami. And I respect you attacking Corsi, and explaining you view of him to me. I'm not accusing you of attacking me. I'm not accusing you of anything. I respect you.

But that's not my point.

well y'all may not approve of corsi book - negativity of obama - but it is # 1 selling on amazon and # 1 ny times...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/anti-obama-best.html

Julie, Pelosi must be green with envy.

It's downright scary that the book is #1 if even a 10th of the readers believe the contents.

As the TImes review says, "being No. 1 doesn't necessarily mean being accurate."

Chloe, yes Pelosi is probably green with envy. Have not found anything on Federreco(sp) book, but I understood it was also selling better than Pelosi. Wonder when she will get the idea that most of the country is not in love with her and herrunning of the house.

Julie

I watched as much of her as I could stand on Larry King the other night. The gag reflex started hic coughing after about 15 minutes. That she is Speaker when California has women such as Feinstein and Harman is practically criminal.

By the way, I wasn't quoting Corsi. The page I linked was not written by him.

Okay. Here's one of my five facts:

According to this article in Scientific American, all the people alive on Earth today only amount to 6 percent of all the people who have ever lived. So the dead still FAR outnumber the living.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-living-outnumber-dead

Besides her poor showing as House Speaker. When she set Jane Harman down, she did a disservice to the country, imho. Pelsoi sure sucked up to George also. Every time I saw her with him, I would have liked to remind her she was a democrat, not a freaking republican, to stop with the palsy walsy stuff with George.. The thought of her and Obama running the country together, does not inspire confidence..

Hey Lard

Welcome back. There are days when I feel half dead.
so do I count as living or dead? Looking forward to the other 4.

I could be all wrong, and hope i am in regards to the murder and apologize in advance but I'm going to say it anyways because I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a politically motivated murder, someone going after the Hillary super delegate.

Here where I live people drive around with old bumper stickers till they fall off. I know for a fact that I'm in Clinton country and I never see one Hillary sticker.. I also know someone will say that is because no one still supports her here. Not true, we all knew them and have never heard a bad story around here about them, as we do with other celebrities. People are scared to show their support. I was interviewed in May by The Washington Post- the comments were absolutely vile. I received nasty, nasty emails. For instance, I was told to go kill myself all because I said I wasn't going to vote for Obama. Yet the Party leaders still say I'll fall in line and we will have unity in Nov.

Why can't we all agree to disagree without all the accusations of not being a true Dem, a yellow dog dem, of being a racist, selfish, irrational and all the other put downs. If the Obama supporters want unity, insulting us daily isn't doing the trick. Nor is shooting anyone. I am admittedly bitter today and I'm sick of being scared.

Sorry for my rant, but I try to live without regrets and if Gwatney was murdered for his political stand, and I was too scared to question the murder motive and acknowledge the fearful atmosphere , I would regret it.

Good grief, I just saw all the back-and-forth about the Atlantic article upthread.

That story was interesting, but hardly revelatory. It basically provided higher granularity to a story whose broad outlines have already been reported in various places going back months. Nothing more than that. So all of this talk about it being "the end of the Clintons" is nonsense. Get over it, Clinton haters.

Hi Julie...and thanks. I've been busy lately, but also trying to keep up with all the threads. Just not commenting as much lately.

Lardo

The scary factoid in that article, "despite a quadrupling of the population in the past century"

At the rate we are reproducing, we may start gaining.

God, I'm so sick of the Clinton's. They're the most self-absorbed, selfish, whiners I have ever heard. I can't believe I actually liked them at one time.

THANK GOD Hillary is not our nominee. She's a horrible leader. In fact, she's no leader at all; she's proven to be indecisive, unable to control her team and tempermental, according to Green.

Good riddance to the Clintons and all their B.S.

Jamie...

By that time, we may both well be on the "other side" and enjoying our majority status for at least a few more years.

"Oh, that's right you're in TN. Middas not even vote. "

Exactly, Rez....TN is red no matter what....

I just learned today that the Queen of England moves her bowels every day. Yessireee...The Atlantic Monthly printed exclusive pictures of her sitting on the toilet. Who knew?

Thank God for those patriotic staffers who leaked the photos to the magazine -- otherwise the world might never have known the shocking truth!

"They're the most self-absorbed, selfish, whiners I have ever heard."

I wish those who publish this sort of thing would link to an example of them doing it, or do you all just echo each other that they are whining and think it is the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127730

I linked Tom Maguire. If you look at the link, it also has many factual links in the story too. The following tell's you a litle about him
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-maguire

But Jamie Population growth is slowing down all across the world. worst area now is Africa. If they ever get it together then they will join the rest of the world.

Jack

Jennifer..

If you are sick of the Clintons, I hope you have good medical insurance.

The Clintons and their millions of supporters are not going away.

Wake Up Democrat!

So jennefer

Don't hang back
Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

Jack~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lardo

And you're not going to scan it for our edification?

The Obama supporters are nervous, and it's because their candidate isn't getting the job done. His job is to win voters. His staff can intimidate people all they want, but he is the one out there talking to the voters - he is on stage. That's where the commitments should be made by the voters.

If she can upset his apple-cart, how will he do with people like Putin and Medvedev and Ahmedinejad sp?)
and Chavez and other real brutes? He has to start showing he can accomplish something on his own.

I head it said several times by talking heads that his campaign was better but she was the better candidate.
The primary really ended up in a tie, bu there was no jump ball because the dnc was scared of the Clintons.
They want a leader they can control - they like having the power.

She is still a better candidate, against both McCain and Obama. Obama supporters know that and that is why they can't take their eyes off her. They will always be afraid of her.

The Democartic party will not be recognizable in four years. The fumble-butters have assured that. If they were smart, they take'd Hillary at her word and stop obssessing about her.

Of course, that's just my opinion, which I am entitled to.
I could be wrong and I know it. There are some people here who need to learn to say the same thing.

"But you're not going to intimidate me into not saying and not quoting what I damn well want to quote."

Hear, hear Chloe!!!!!!

Lardass

The Queen you say?
Sits on a pot just like a mortal.

I just think that is too much information.

Jack

Jack

It may be slowing down but we still have about three billion too many. If the goal is for everyone on the face of the earth to have a lifestyle that permits a roof over their head and regular meals without wiping out other species, a good plague would be a nice start.

Jamie
Something will happen byandby. I'm just going to enjoy my plumbing. By the way did you read the local article I linked to. Was a real difference from living in Sudan to living in this poor working class neighborhood .
I grew up with out indoor plumbing. Could go back but I really don't want to.

Jack

Jack

Read the article. Never had to live long term with one, but I have experienced the joys of an outhouse. You are right, indoor plumbing is a good thing.

Off to fix dinner for my crowd.

Jack

I agree. Those cold cold morningsrunning outside with waxy type sears or monkey wards catalogs, were not one of the best memories of youth...

julie

Greatest Olympians?

Jesse Owens
Jim Thorpe

Babe Dedrickson Zaharias

She won two gold medals and one silver medal for track and field in the 1932 Los Angeles Olympics.

What about Carl Lewis? 9 gold medals and a great singer as well!

Great swimmer?

Gertrude Ederle

Babe played the PGA with the guys and had a recording contract too. She was also an expert seamstress. I don't think Carl sewed all of his sportswear. lol

Media Matters on the Obama Nation errors. Paul Waldman will face Corsi on Larry King tonight

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808040005?f=h_top

Flatus

A friend of a friend

Kip Javrin

Competed in the decathalon. Went to his first Olympics when he was 40. No medals but without him and others like him there is no team.

Jack

I went to the newsstand to buy Atlantic Monthly and it was sold out. Now I know why! Who knew the Queen on her throne would be so hot?

warning: do not try to go to the onion story re obama's "hillbilly half brother" which is linked in today's wapo. the link freezes my computer. tried to get it more than once out of sheer curiosity, but each time it shut everything down. someone doesn't want us to see it.

oldseahag, your comment "people are scared to show their support" along with the banning of elected delegates, shooting of super delegates, vicious namecalling, slander and charges of unpatriotism indicates the mccarthy era has come back. the mummy returns and stalks the trail mixers.

You can go direct to the onion to read the other articles
but don't click on the picture to link to "Cooter" Obama

http://www.theonion.com/content/index

From the picture it looks as if the Onion may have exhausted whatever element of good taste they ever had. It's somewhere between really rough satire and overt racism.

I know folks have said mean and nasty things to one another since this Dem contest started last January. But to suggest that supporters from one faction has resorted to murder for partisan goals is beyond the pale, apologies or otherwise. jmo. Time to slow down a bit.

Patsi

For whatever reason you and I are his favorite targets. I was giving him the benefit of a doubt for when he is in the courting phase of the abuse cycle.

My dad's farm had an outhouse if you didn't feel like climbing the hill to civilization. On the door he hung a crescent wrench.

I din't read der whole day......anything cool?

Lardo's retreat was just a shallow ruse to wheedle my john wayne story outa me and then go fallow......I'm bemused.......

kgc......moretoonies in pitcher?

Mr. Fish

I had another story for Lardo about a threesome that awoke to a lady being whipped (hows that for a teaser), but I was waiting for someone else to take a turn.

flaterus......did you catch my post about the SC soil?

Sturg

One moment let me get the glasses out of the freezer!

I am bemused by all the women who have been named to speak at the convention. I get the feeling that the dnc is trying to convince us that women are important to them and will have a big part in the party.

If this is true, what they are showing is how woefully they fall short of understanding why so many women are disgusted. Speaking at a convention is not the same as being treated fairly. This seems to me to be a very superficial attempt to get us to "come around",
and what it is doing is insulting us.

It is a big mistake to dismiss make light of another's
complaints. I understand the complaints Obama's supporters have about us, and would never dismiss them - I know they are serious and they take it personally. I don't like the way they state their complaints, but the important thing is that the dnc doesn't realize we are as serious as they are.

The damage to the party is being done by the people who are discounting the women who are angry. It will change the party for good.

Women get to speak at the convention - thanks. The reality is that women get to speak any time they want and do not need permission from the dnc. They are talking about how they didn't like what was done in the primaries, and what they wii do about it.

I will vote for Obama once but not twice unless he stops blaming Hillary and DOES something.

We have all heard about the Tavis Smiley threats.death threats to other AA Hillary supporters and most recently PUMAS. I personally know people who have been threatened. Republicans weren't offended by those who are not supporting Obama, so who else would be making threats? I don't think it is a huge stretch. Regardless, if the atmosphere weren't so intimidating, that it could be a politically motivated murder wouldn't even cross my mind.

*Breaking* Photo Documents Barry Soetoro, Indonesian

"The AP caption reads: “This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)”

In addition, it means that Barack Obama apparently lied to the Illinois Supreme Court when asked to provide former names ...

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/

ICAC shut Lardo's Retreat down.

I dont think murder is an inconceivable notion where politics are concerned.......starting with Abe and going thru the others to MLK, JFK, RFK, George Wallace (failed attempt) how could one question the possibility of murder as a solution? whadda we talking, dream world? it's just a question of Who-done-it?

and I dont even know whose murderoso youre talking about.......

Sorry Sturge, I thought I had posted the link, but looking back I realize I didn't -
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/13/arkansas-democratic-party-chairman-injured-in-shooting/

birdfood.....it's not shut down.....

Lardo.....I hate to pick at straws but I never heard any serious criticism of my john wayne story......I did like the true grit picture you posted, thereby assuring myself that you, at least, got it......but harrumph.....others, such as, say, Scott Fitzgerald would never have had to publish without some honest at least one bone wrenching critique.......I am somewhat depressed.......yellow........

Sturge...

Leave me the hell alone! Do you have ANY idea what it's like to administer a site that is dealing with three, maybe FOUR, page views a day?!?!?!?

--Lardo

I mean..............the picture of two john waynes being hounded down the stairs is worthy of Euripides.....or at least woody allen........or mel........

Sturg, do you mean about you having soil in which green stuff will grow without advanced life support?

Lardo.....yes......youre right........time is money......consider me properly chagrined.......

but did you like the part about "That's a mighty purty spread ya got there little missy?"

Sturge,

It was a great, G-rated, family-friendly sex story.

And now, it is in a repository that will preserve it for the ages.

It will be safer here, in cyberspace, than it would had it been painted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

Lard, has John Edwards written a story for your site yet?

Corey...

Nothing from Edwards yet. But I think his sex story is too boring and predictable even for a G-rated blog.

Hope you are doing well, brother. I've been thinking about you.

--Lard

Brain.......with any luck......you'll have a really successful blog, and be so busy that you wont wish to be troubled by having to post your ordure on Craig's (A Nationally known political commentator) site.........oh frabjous day...........

go somewhere and seek thrombosis.

The Lady Was a Spy
Exhibit Presents the Untold Stories of Women in Espionage

Was listening to an interesting NPR story today about Julia Childs, a WWII OSS spy.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/apr/spies/index.html

Not to nitpick, but...
The word is: "nitpick"

"G-rated, family-friendly sex story "
SICK!

Full fathom five,
Thy father lies...

And those were pearls,
That were his eyes.

"G-rated, family-friendly sex story "
SICK!

guess your parents didnt have sex...whaddayou, an egg?

foggin' schmuck.

Those are pearls

SICK!

No

Nothing from Edwards yet. But I think his sex story is too boring and predictable even for a G-rated blog. Posted by: LardassLiberal Author Profile Page | August 13, 2008 9:18 PM

You could just scan one of the Edwards stories off the Enquirer, along with pictures

Complete and definitive from The Tempest:

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes;
Nothing of him that does fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong,
Hark! Now I hear them – Ding-dong, bell.

And this judgement was probably made without the benefit of actually viewing the site to determine its G rating.

"It was a great, G-rated, family-friendly sex story." -LardassLiberal

Good one for a slow night, and since WhiskyJack's tied up...

Laurie Anderson: O Superman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hhm0NHhCBg

REz,

If you liked that NPR story on child you might like this biography

http://www.amazon.com/Appetite-Life-Noel-Riley-Fitch/dp/0385493835/ref=pd_bbs_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218677871&sr=8-11

Here you go birdie

http://lardosretreat.wordpress.com/

Some of the stories are funny. If you have one, be sure and let Lardo know.

"since WhiskyJack's tied up.."

Didn't know he was into it. Maybe he can provide a story or two for Lardo's Retreat.:-)

Jamie, I just like some of those old WWIIspy stories/movies, Doubt if i'd get it ,but DW might if it goes audio.

The most perfect three minutes of music ever recorded.

Louis Armstrong, West End Blues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COgkqy1UU8

(sorry Jack and Sturge, I'm not as good as you guys, but I'm tryin')

Rezdog and Bear...I'm sure BOTH of you dudes have some good potential contributions to Lardo's Retreat.

Streisand as Superman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNqZeqd3_bs

The spy story is also on yahoo. They have released the names of 24,000 of the 35,000 oss affiliates of wwII
both Roosevelt sons, besides Childs a whole slew of famous people..and the ordinary street guy.

julie

Lardo

That was (no words good enough)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The video that went with it and a whole lot more music are available on DVD

http://www.pbs.org/jazz/

(sorry Jack and Sturge, I'm not as good as you guys, but I'm tryin')

Lardrovski.......comparisonos air odious........shall I compare thee to a summer day?

Jamie...with that compliment, I will retire.

See you all tomorrow!

(And seriously, if you get sick of watching synchronized diving at any point tonight, the Laurie Anderson link is definitely worth the time. Eight minutes).

Sorry Lard, All my stuff is at least 1 X at a minimum. lol
I use to own a burger bar.

Sturge...

Look in thy mirror...
And tell the one thou viewest
That now is the time
That one should form another...

(Is that even close to the sonnet? If not, I tried.)

It's my way of saying that I tried to fill in for you and Jack tonite in the DJ chair, try as I could.

Trow arrit mora boatimus ar mar tremplicate........

wait a second.....I'll have to dig out the book again.....

You Obama supporter's make me sick to my stomach. What is it exactly,that you think she should do for him. She has went with him to campaign, and she has done it on her own also. If Obama loses it will be your faults, because you can't keep from trashing The Clintons. I don't know if this is everybodies first time at voting or not, but you better read up on other races. The only reason Obama, has the support of Kennedy, Kerry, and Edwards,is because they couldn't win on their own, so now their trying to get Obama in, so the can feel better. What Phonies,If you actually think this man is better for The Country, you are living in LA-LA LAND,just look at all the hate and racism,he has managed to achieve, just from his supporters.

Lar.....

Never give a sucker an even break......nor smarten up a chump........

---WCFields

I wrote this yesterday to Chloe's post & the only response I got was pretty much what we all seem to get here if we defend Hillary in any way or critize anything about BO
>>>>>>>>>
The party can only hope that that catharsis will purge the Clinton holdouts of their refusal to recognize reality. If not, the party could be headed for a real tragedy."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-clinton12-2008aug12,0,3672348.story
Posted by: chloe | August 12, 2008 1:18 PM
=========================
Chloe:i think it's already a tragedy ... all you have to do is look at this blog, not to mention ALL the BO's supporters blogs or watch the cable/msm news ...

Clinton Supporters are talked down too every day .. calling us "sore loosers" , "won't accept reality", wanting to change the rules. etc. etc, etc ....

When the suppporters of BO drown us out whenever we try to bring up facts, not wanting our voice to be heard at all, especially at the Convention ... The Tragedy is already HERE!!!

jmho,
vivian

Posted by: Viv | August 12, 2008 7:50 PM
--------------------------------
Don't fret so viv, help is on the way.

http://www.firstaidmonster.com/images/products/FAM_MIDOL_MAX_STRENGTH_CAPLE-5300.jpg

Posted by: Get_Help | August 12, 2008 8:01 PM

one of these days LAL

bikers, thieves and Indians.. lol what a place.. oh yeah I forgot strippers..

Good music Lardo

The Laurie Anderson piece was strange but interesting.

Rez
If you ran a bar then for every X rated story you've got at least a dozen G rated ones. Hell thats all most sex stories that happen in a bar. The one that got away, blew you off, too damn drunk to do anything anyhow and on and on.

Jack

Oh what tangled webs we weave
When first we practice to deceive. '
And when we've practiced for awhile,
How we do improve our style!

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_edwards_sex_more_lies_videotape_/celebrity/65288

I'm astonished that you're blaming the betrayal by those on Hillary's staff as being her fault. It's clear to me that there were moles planted from the beginning, and that there's something bigger here than meets the eye.
Posted by: chloe | August 13, 2008 6:36 AM

AGAIN CHLOE, LOL: I agree with you .. I started thinking about that when she fired Patty whatshername .. then to hear she was close friends with Axlrod .. well .. pretty much sealed it
IMHO ...

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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clintons-folly.html#comment-127592
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Hmmm interesting reading, Thanks GORDO .. I went to the Channel 7's web site to watch the interview with Sasha Millstone also ... seems now that it's "out there", now they are going to drop it .. but I wonder .. would they if she hadn't gotten a lawyer??
Oh, also, in my last post here, this type of story about how Hillary supporters are being treated, just proved my point .. did anyone check out the link "Get Help" sent me???

!:^{
Vivian

ahh...... in 72 in columbus ga. with the snake man still......the one who got away.......but she still has no comparison to the one I went home with.......a beautiful scandinavian girl who took me home with her and with whom I sat in the parlour......as it was, I heard some sounds........I enquire as to the origin of those sounds.......she says, "oh, my stupid brothers are playing poker.......I says, of course, "Where?" She gets up and says, "This way...." I follow, she opens two slidiing doors and there at a dining room table are 7 Brides for 7 Brothers........Five of the biggest, most Favio looking fellers I've ever seen at one sitting....

They look at me.......I look at them..........she says, "This is my brother Lars......and this is Hans.......and this is Fritz.......and this is ....etc....5 of them.........
some of the friendliest cats I ever met......could not thank me enough for seeing their little sis home......We ate sausage and drank beer and played poker till way past sun-up..........

I cut this story way short and left out a lot.

Fry......

The most important thing in show business is sincerity.........once you can fake that you got it made.....

--george burns

wah wah wah - do you ever tire? Clinton lost, she failed, her campaign failed and they exploited internal troubles. No control, no loyalty, nothing - where does the buck stop? In the middle?

"we just crossed the 19,000 hits mark, "

ROFL -- how many after the 18,500 clicks you've made?

Patsi accounts for at least 1000 clicks alone.

No doubt Jack, you'd had to been there to believe it. lol
All those laborious auditions. Too bad I don't enjoy writing.

sorry dinner snack break.

I AM A SCHMUCK

Sullivan's got your number Craig. lol

"The Green memos remind me why she would have been a terrible president. Craig Crawford agrees:"

I'm still a schmuck + lololololo

"In a private meeting with Jewish leaders in February, Obama emphatically re-stated the claim. He said:

“I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN, A MUSLIM (ESPECIALLY AN ANTI-AMERICAN ONE)”

(All-caps courtesy of JTA, which published the story ...)

We assert that he was a Muslim, based primarily on his own memoirs and his own sister’s statements, as well as documentation from Indonesia. But now he wants that part of his life to go missing ..."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/fighting-the-muslim-smear/

BTW not that it matters but I think the person who gave Josh Green the inside scoop was Patti Solis Doyle. Talk about someone with justification for being pissed. After 20 years of loyal service to Hillary she certainly had no problem about tossing Patty under the nearest bus.

an assumption based on a false assumption concluded by a fool

Where's Dex? Oh, it must be too early.

tt

wait........snot eating phony in both quotes never applied to obama...........snot eating phony in both cases referred to Edwards.........just because obama is a phony is no reason for me to use the words of Imus in reference to Edwards to refer to mr obama as such merely to gratify my own mindset and prejudices.......

I'd wager a hard earned dollar that I-man lifted that phrase from Wyatt Imus.......lol

Sturg,

Rotflmao. You are in fine form tonight....

The Floyd (Willie Horton) Brown Ad:

Was He Muslim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbsihrdn-_s

"we just crossed the 19,000 hits mark, "

with 5 commenters.

Wow
just
wow
Impressed
Impressed

Tim Kaine: Obama Ended The War Between Georgia and Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0njdTjo0b4A

ROFL -- Yes, wow, some folks have too much time on their hands.

Back about 7 or 8 years ago, a lot of people I knew on the internet had their own websites. Many of them had counters on their websites so they could keep track of how many hits they had on their website. One guy named Dan was particularly proud of how many hits his website got. I was told he also had the technology to track just who visited his website. His website is long defunct.

Here's a sample of his writings:

*So if you haven't seen what 2000+ visitors seen, get on down to

danzero.freeservers.com

(and for those interested, JediClone was hit #2000)

~The Illustrious DanZero

danzero.freeservers.com

The origin of this thread was the deluge of uncomplimentary docs provided by Clinton staffers.

All I can say is if that was the sort of experience they were selling, the country is better off w/inexperience.

Disgusting. Utterly disappointing and disgusting.

And yet, still a cut above mccain.

Craig I have always though that you are not like the rest of the MSM journalist who don't do their job and content with singing praises to the Messiah.

Guess you want KO and MSNBC to keep inviting you to their show. Guess you don't want to suffer the same fate as Dana Millbank. Guess you need to earn some dough for your family. Guess I have to understand your situation. But please don't call yourself an objective journalist. Call yourself an Obama surrogate.