Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Craig,

How are the Rocky Mountain Oysters?

"One admittedly superficial way to measure the predictive utility of the Clinton convention speeches might be to simply count the number of paragraphs in which they talk about themselves - and contrast that with how much text they devote to talking about Barack Obama."

Craig.... well.... at least you admit that it's superficial..... I would call counting paragraphs the ultimate in nerdiness!..... lol....

I am going to watch the convention tonight..... not only for Hillary's speech, but for Mark Warner's too..... and I will be giving up a Red Sox/Yankees game in order to do so.....

Craig -- for the greatest breakfast in Denver try Pete's Kitchen on East Colfax.

Renee, I'll also be watching Hillary's speech. Likewise Bill's. That's about it. If there is a Clinton wing to the party, I'm already in it.

jamie,

But the truth is, which you can not deny, HRC is the more qualified candidate, and she will be sitting on the sidelines because you, Hillary supporters, let the DNC, MSM and Team BHO roll you. You all talk a good game, but in reality your gutless to do anything about it. You could do something, but you won't, you'll just sit there and take it. Sort of like the abused wife who keeps returning home only to get beat just one more time by the person who is suppose to love them, to care for them. So once again the female has been kicked to the curb. Helloooo

Couldn't you argue the DLC IS the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party?

http://www.dlc.org/

"You all talk a good game, but in reality your gutless to do anything about it. You could do something, but you won't, you'll just sit there and take it. Sort of like the abused wife who keeps returning home only to get beat just one more time by the person who is suppose to love them, to care for them. So once again the female has been kicked to the curb. Helloooo "

BS, Fry. You sound like the flip side of the O-team. Stop it!

"you seized on one line in a carefully written and sincere post I put up Sunday. You do that a lot -- fight around the fringes and ignore the substance."

No, dog. What I do is read your posts for what they are, carefully worded slams. Digs couched in seemingly innocuous commentary. I've never been one who appreciated passive aggressive tendencies. But I sure as hell know 'em when I see 'em.

The way Obama is running his campaign. The Clinton's will be the Democratic Party after November.

McCain now ahead in the daily Gallup --the Biden Bounce?

PRINCETON, NJ -- It's official: Barack Obama has received no bounce in voter support out of his selection of Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice presidential running mate.

Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama's Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week's standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking

Patsi/Saucy Goose,

You're a very angry person.

dog,

I am glad you are not a referee, you would end-up having to be escorted out of the arena by the police, because by trying to please everyone with your decisions, you actually have alienated everyone. You can't proclaim victory when the game has been fixed, by the DNC, MSM, and team BHO.

When Bill Clinton was tarred and feather by Team BHO and the MSM because they propelled his SC remarks as racist, should have been a wake-up call to all HRC supporters that the fix was in for BHO.

frydaddy,

you happen to know anything about how to retension a cable for an overhead garage door?

Read that, Bear. May be a dangerous job, btw.

http://www.homerepairforum.com/forum/garage-doors-openers/4287-retensioning-garage-door-spring.html

"Affirmative action has nothing to do with Obama's winning the nomination"

KGC

It has a little to do with it in that he got the backing to run sooner with less experience than would be the norm, but he made the race and won on his own. Got lots of help, but he attracted the votes. As with any affirmative action. It got the foot in the door. After that he had to make things happen.

JM 2 pts up over BHO.
So much for Biden, Teddy's appearance or Michelle's speech.

Talking about abused wives, what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop.

FD

I didn't have a lot of respect for McCain way back when he was operating in the Maverick edition with the whole Straight Talk Express. Straight Talk only works when you are saying something worth hearing.

"There are many people that vote by likability alone forget facts.......just people I know tend to be more pragmatic....I guess I was referring to those voters who attempt to make an informed vote."

UB..... I think that both candidates will have their share of informed and uninformed votes.....

I will be voting for Obama.... but I don't see people who would vote for McCain as necessarily being uninformed..... I see them as just thinking differently than I do..... I have many friends that regularly vote Republican.... and I have a hard time being with stupid people.....

here's to hoping that Clinton and Warner kick some Republican butt tonight!

"Also there are just too many of the powerful who want the party to move on, namely Nancy, and Howard. "

Well that is a totally lousy endorsement.

but can you spot the relentlessly angry aggressive bitch, when you see 'em ?

"Talking about abused wives, what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop." fry

Fry the Freepers are not Democrats.
Care to post a link to Democrats saying anything of the kind about Elizabeth Edwards?

FD

"what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop."

When did Rash Limpballs become a Democrat. He was the one accusing Elizabeth of not keeping hubby home with a blow job.

Bear,

I know this about garage overhead door springs. If you don't know what your doing, you can get killed messing with those things. Last year our door came off track, guide wires spiraled all over the place, so I called a guy who put the correct tension back on the springs. Learned that these springs only have a life span of about 12 years. This year we had to replace both spring as one cracked in half.

Dog

The sermons get a little hard to take at times. How about sticking to subjects where there is agreement.

Jamie,

But this story is coming from your side. Always blame the victim, isn't that right jamie.

RR, my point is that most people I know, talk about issues and their beliefs and they match themselves up with the closest party...it wasn't meant to be a statement about one party or the other - just in general how people lean, and make voting decisions....sorry if I was too vague.

Champ, Fry,

Thanks for the info...How much did that repair cost you Fry?

Also, did anyone who watched the convention see any "Bring back Pepsi Clear signs?"

FD

No one from my side is blaming Elizabeth. That particular figment is a Republican nightmare.

No one on our side is returning his phone calls begging for forgiveness. Maybe he should call McCain. He knows all about deserting sick wives for a younger model.

KGC,
I'm going to pull a jamie, "Do your own research". Hey if it is good for jamie, it is good for me.

I took a look Fry and no Democrat has said anything of the kind

I would call you a concern troll but you are doing more you are lying.

Bear,

To adjust the springs, about $125, but that was on a Friday after 7:00 PM. To totally replace both of them, the guide wires $250.00. Other than the door itself, just about everything has a 12 year life expectancy.

FD

That is not something where I would use that phrase. You made the accusation. You prove it is true.

Dog,

Not telling you to keep quiet just saying it was boring.
You have done nothing but beat up on Clinton for months. Nothing has changed.

UB.... same with me..... I love sharing my believes with others.....
thanks for the exchange......

Fry.... it feels like you're trying to get us to vote for McCain..... not gonna happen for me..... I may not be in love with Obama.... but the Republicans don't deserve my vote, IMO......

Jamie and KGC,

"Two weeks after a devastating revelation sent her husband into political exile, Elizabeth Edwards isn't getting the steady sympathy usually afforded to a woman scorned.
Instead, she's faced criticism from dedicated Democrats who think she was too willing to keep the affair a secret to help John Edwards' political ambitions."

Sorry girls but since you couldn't find it I did. Sad blaming Elizabeth for keep the story quiet. I thought it was a personal matter. Now she is being blamed for keeping it quiet. Not only did John Edwards screw her over other D's are trying to screw her. Just more of the same, kick the girl when she is down.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfOq80s0bbfh1UP_b8x29EsWTXAwD92PR9500

Dan Balz of WaPo being interviewed on C-APAN

FD

One AP release quoting two political consultants and a commenter from the Daily KOS. Probably not a wholesale drawing and quartering by the Democratic party.

RR,

No not at all. As I told one of your crew this yesterday. Don't feel like you have to vote for JM, you can write in HRC, or not vote the Presidential part of the ticket, you can still vote for your local representatives. RR I am an R, but you know and I know this isn't right what they did to HRC. If HRC was the candidate I would bet you all your green ware she have have a 10 pt margin in her favor. By voting for BHO you are condoning what they did to HRC, you are enabling their actions.Now after the Europe swing, Biden, having Teddy there last night, Michelle presenting herself as a common person, the best Team BHO can do is tie. JM will win this election, no one votes for the VP, and BHO with all his charm is just an empty suit who needs people in every phase to prop him up.

UhOh. Biden cried today. Was he just playing it up for votes? Or is it a sign of weakness? Is he just being over-emotional due to some hormonal thing? Maybe he's in over his head and reacting to the stress? Oh dear, dear, dear.

What's that again, flaming tildes of sarcasm? ~~~~~

Jamie new set of rules. When you ask for proof and then are shown the proof, but you don't like the proof, just deny the proof. I never knew you were such a mushroom.

Does anyone know what time Hillary speaks tonight.Her's and Bill's are the only one's I want to see.Can't waste time with any of the others.Would rather play mahjong

Ruth

Now that is scary. A computer failure in the FAA that processes flight plans. Lots of people sitting on the ground staring at the tarmac. At least they know where the almost 6,000 up in the air are located.

I reregistered my phone no. on do not call list.Could not believe that time has run out on the first registration.Have n\been getting bombarded with robo calls for the last couple of weeks.

Anyone need to reregister the number to call is 1-888-382-1222 or on line at donotcall.gov.

Ruth

jamie,
"
That is not something where I would use that phrase. You made the accusation. You prove it is true."

Oh yes you did and you know you did. You have a convenient memory loss when you want to, or maybe you are having one of those senior moments. :-)

But to answer the 2nd part, I have, you just don't like what it had to say.

FD

I didn't deny the proof. I said it had little import. You were maintaining that the Party was blaming her or Democrats were blaming her. I just don't see any banket condemnation in that article.

if the clintons are the old dem party---what is ted kennedy??
and, i've been wondering..are some of these bho folks the same folks that voted for nader?
i will vote in nov. for my state and local dems. that's it.
i can't vote for someone that i truly believe is not ready for the job.

Dog,

Sorry to disappoint you, but you do have a tendency to lecture from a stand of injured nobility, and you have been letting the Clinton supporters know at length how disappointed you were that they just couldn't somehow see the light.

No one blames Mrs. Edwards for the affair --just for not making it public or for remaining silent. And three people who claim to be Democrats out of millions. Hardly proof of the blanket statement you made.

I have to run, but it has been fun. Don't be a victim, or an enabler, vote HRC!

Dog

Actually I do. When I get intense, I press too hard on people to try to convince them rather than just presenting my position and letting them decide.

Hey Ruth -- I hope you will stay tuned for Mark Warner's speech tonight. I would like to know what you think. He could have run for Pres this year, but decided to stay out of it for now because of his family. He's running for Senate in VA instead.

I know and like Mark, but he's not always been the best public speaker. He has done a lot of work on his public speaking ability since he first started on his political career and he's gotten much better.

Mark has his own log cabin story -- he is he first of his family to go to college, he's a self-made millionaire, but very down to earth. His mother suffered from Alzheimers and I remember how he described how hard it was for him to find care for her -- and while he acknowledged that he has a lot of resources -- it was still hard -- so he could really understand how difficult it is for families who don't have the same resources. Mark is a huge reason why Virginia is even within shooting distance of turning blue -- even the GOP in VA love Mark.

Renee -- I don't think Mark is going to kick too hard on GOP butt -- he will criticize their upside down economic policies -- but I don't think he will get personal about it.

Bear,

With the door in the up position the tension should be fully released. Remove the springs, and then get the weight of the door. The door weight is important when selecting replacement springs. Replacement springs have the weight rating on the package, Install the replacement springs and make sure that you have the safety cable running on the inside of the spring coil and secured to the frame, allowing the sping to extend when the door is closed. Safety cables are EXTREMELY important. If those springs ever break (and they do) those cables keep them from flying in any random directon destroying what ever they come in contact with. They have so much potential energy when extended they can kill.

Thanks y'all. Now I have a paralyzing fear of my garage door.

Fry....
anyone who knows me would NEVER call me a "victim"..... lol....
I ALWAYS make up my own mind and will vote for the candidate of my choice....
I do, however, respect other's right to their own choices....

and as for McCain winning this election..... as someone who's always voted Democratic for president starting in 1972 and a life long Red Sox fan, I've learned to get over losing and disappointment very quickly..... (although it sure is nice to have the Red Sox recently change their losing ways..... )

Alicia.... I will forgive Mark Warner if he can't get too negative on Republicans as long as he gives us an impassioned reason why he is a Democrat......
too much was bland,IMO, last night.....

The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party. I hope -- in vain, probably -- that the Dems see what happened to the Republican Party when the Religious Right was perceived as controlling their Party. The Death of cooperation, moderation, civility and compromise.

Don't know who said it, because just heard in passing on CNN, but one of the movers and shakers said that in the long run 90% of the Clinton voters would "cast a tepid vote for Obama", but they didn't care ... tepid still counted as a vote.

I think that is pretty well what it is going to be on election day. If the "tepid" vote and the young, newly registered vote, then Obama wins.

Renee -- As a preview -- Mark Warner spoke in 2003 about why he is a Democrat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2253608

Bowman,

My issue is that the door slipped a rail and in the process of putting it back, one of the tension cables came off.

The door has a center spring and it seems to be ok...I'm trying to figure out if I can reset the cable with one side of the door under tension...

Can someone tell me if you think this is funny? I went to high school with him so I am not a proper judge...

http://crackle.com/c/Comedy/McCain_Vlog_1_Welcome/2364788/#ml=fi%3D%26fu%3D2446437

I agree with milquetoast and john hogue

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260015
On the August 25 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, when asked by host Chris Matthews about "this civil war" between "the PUMAs, the holdouts ... and the majority, apparently, of [Sen.] Hillary [Clinton] people who really want [Sen.] Barack Obama and the Democratic Party to win this November," NBC News political director Chuck Todd said of the story, "I kind of think we're hyping it up a little bit. It's getting a little overheated. ... And I wonder if in three days, we look back and say, 'Why did we waste all of our time with that?' " Notwithstanding Todd's comments, during MSNBC's August 25 coverage of the Democratic National Convention, in interviews with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), former President Jimmy Carter, and Obama communications director Robert Gibbs, 18 of the 20 questions asked by NBC and MSNBC correspondents and anchors dealt with Clinton, her supporters, or former President Bill Clinton.

Mr. Hogue,

I do not see the centerists and moderates as a new wing of the democratic party. I see them as the old core of the party which has been eviscerated

Reminds me of a song that was written by David Grisman

Old and in the way
That's what I heard him say
They used to heed the words he said
But that was yesterday
Coal will turn to gray
And youth will fade away
They'll never care about you
Cause you're old and in the way

As I hear tell he was happy
He had his share of friends and were kind
Now those freinds have all passed on
He don't have a place called home
Looking back to a better day
When you're old and in the way

When just a boy he left his home
Thought he'd have the world on a string
Now the years have come and gone
Through the streets he walks alone
LIke the old dog gone astray
He's just old and in the way

They'll never care about you
Cause you're old in the way

Right on KGC!

Bowman you are full of it

Are you a handy guy, Bear? If not, call a pro. Not worth getting your hand (or head) cut off. I almost lost a finger screwing with my garage door.

" there is also your better side, the writer/mother/cook/country "

ROFL. The one that's not quite so feminazi?

Well Bear I can't help you with that one, do you have any neighbors with similar doors that are competent mechanically? You might ask them.

If you don't know what you are doing, my advice is don't.

And that is coming from me wearing my Safety Supervisor hat. Just ask yourself, is saving a few bucks worth a potential emergency room visit.

So true Elaine, glad you could figure that out.

"The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party. I hope -- in vain, probably -- that the Dems see what happened to the Republican Party when the Religious Right was perceived as controlling their Party. The Death of cooperation, moderation, civility and compromise."

John H -- I so agree with you. People keep saying this is a new progressive era. But the Democrats being elected through the South are conservative by comparison to most Democrats. And Obama has promised to be a conciliator.

"The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party."
john hogue, like bowman sez it's not new, but you're right about the antagonizm of the more liberal wing which has done damage to the centrist wing. the party now is a lame bird that can barely get off the ground.
it needs both wings before it can soar again.

Likeability counts at this blog too, Renee. At least for the people here.

Yep
the new wing does already exist, It calls itself the DLC as I remember
All the bruising of the Clintons did was remind more people they belong to that wing.

Jack

The convention speeches would be more fun if they did them in the style of those Dean Martin celebrity roasts.

KGC,

It was fairly obvious that CM and Co. had an agenda to drum up controversy . Both "Baghdad Bob" MaCauliffe anf Debbie W-S was adamantly fighting back about going into that line of questioning; which even Chris found a little odd.

Rezdog

The worst interview was the Ann Curry -President Carter
in which he told her she was full of it but she soldiered on with the MSNBC line of crap.

it's time for Dems to start acting like Dems again, the iron is hot, time to strike!

wasn't time for that during the FISA vote

Regarding garage doors: Professionals are best at that kind of thing. My brother-in-law tried for a few days to get his installed. My sister finally called 2 professionals and they had it up and running in an hour.

Corey
Half loaded, with a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other?
You do realize they don't even let these people eat fried food. That is what the real problem is for the Big Dawg, No cheeseburger and fries.

Jack

Thanks...found a quote for labor only since I have the parts still...

Well, my sister's neighbor used hire every thing done, because she wouldn't let her husband do any home improvement work.

Oh, the roast! Yeah! Bring on the funny! No fried food in Denver?

KGC,
I missed that one but DearWife had a good chuckle apparently.
Terry was really stressing the point that "If HRC had money woes, he'd be the first to get out in front on it." but he wasn't going anywhere with the questions about debts. He kept repeating that this event wasn't about HRC. I was even shocked because I like his attitude just not his candidate.

FYI: Here's the link to Tuesday's schedule:

http://www.demconvention.com/tuesday-schedule/

Nobody should write off the Clintons. If Obama loses this election, he's basically history. If he wins, he'd better do a really really good job, or he's basically history. Remember, I'm voting for Obama but do not see anthing as certain.

If he doesn't get a different act together after the convention, he will lose. He's got to ditch that machine because it's losing him votes.

When you dismiss Hillary supporters as whiners and old in the way, you are asking for trouble.

Can Obama Dems, The Media And The Left Blogs Get OverThe Clintons?
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 12:17:01 PM EST

John Harris pens an article titled Can Clintons Get Over It? I think the question is can Obama Dems, the Media and the Left Blogs get over it?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/26/13171/5785

Corey..... what?!!.... no fried food at the convention..... well in that case I'll have to have some fried chicken for supper tonight in sympathy for those poor souls......

Rez..... thanks for the schedule..... all those politicians.... and all of them "honorable"..... who knew.....

Someone should forward this to that Clinton delegate that appeared in the McCain ad. I heard she later said in an interview that she did not think McCain supporting overturning Roe v. Wade:

"Apart from opposing a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, [McCain] is against most abortion rights and says he would favor overturning the Supreme Court decision affirming those rights."

And the platform the GOP will adopt is even more extreme:

"Conservatives succeeded in removing a line from a platform draft urging a reduction in abortions — underscoring their point that abortion should be eliminated."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_gop_platform

"Also there are just too many of the powerful who want the party to move on, namely Nancy, and Howard. "

Well that is a totally lousy endorsement.

Posted by: Jamie | August 26, 2008 2:47 PM

OMG, I have to admit that was totally my reaction as well re the endorsement...

KGC

I agree it's more of the same. From all the gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair, and general whining, you would think the Obama group lost. It's almost as if they can't stand the idea that there are still Democrats in the world who don't think the sun rises and sets in Sen. Obama.

Maybe they should just machine gun the New York delegation and hope it helps their self centered, belly button lint gazing fixation.

Hey Dex,

I heard Randi Rhodes on the air today and she was good. When you first brought her up - I had her confused with Stephanie Miller - who has far less substance and can be annoying.

But any liberal talk show host that has journalistic integrity and a desire to present the truth is at a severe disadvantage when going against the likes of Rush and Hannity.

I was listening to Rush today and that guy really knows how to slant the truth in a convincing way. To listen to him, America will fall off the face of the earth if Obama gets elected. Even though it is the Republicans that got us into the current mess.

And people wonder why Sturge and I discussed what we discussed this morning.

Ruth, Appreciate the heads up on donotcall.

Obama: Sounding Like Thomas and Scalia?

July 04, 2008 12:34 PM

The Supreme Court fired a shot last week that ricocheted into the political campaign when it struck down a Washington DC law that banned people from owning handguns. For the first time in history, the justices said the Constitution's 2nd Amendment protected an individual's right to keep and bear arms.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/07/obama-sounding.html

I did not know Scalia and Thomas were Democrats.

I was thinking...

It is possible that McCain's push to attract HRC supporters will backfire? Can the Republicans actually help the Dems unify?

My thinking is that aggressive push - which is so transparent - might remind some of the Hillary supporters who the real enemy is. Especially after they have trashed her and her husband for the last 16 years - with attacks that make the 2008 primary look like an election for the student body in high school.

It is kinda like when family members are fighting. They could be going at it tooth and nail. But then an outsider steps in - and it drives the two back together.

We'll see...

"When Bill Clinton was tarred and feather by Team BHO and the MSM because they propelled his SC remarks as racist," **"should have been a wake-up call to all HRC supporters that the fix was in for BHO"."** FryDaddy | 2:37 PM

It was a wake-up call Fry. That's when I first understood, for sure, what was going on. But I kept thinking they could overcome it. By the time they figured out how, it was too late.
...........................

"For those of you who believe that the Hillary Clinton Uprising is a fairy tale concocted by a press in search of convention controversy, think again.

"Hillary Clinton's seductive charms lay heavy over Denver. Defiant supporters can be seen citywide, sporting Hillary pins and T-shirts in direct defiance of Unity."

"Most observers say Biden is the "safe" pick. Maybe. But there is one thing for certain: Picking Biden over Clinton helps a presidential candidate. And that candidate is not here in Denver."
"
http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi

I don't know why the delicate Obama and his surrogates think it is encumbered upon Hillary to bring in her supporters. Why the hell should she? He's the nominee-he's "The One." Perhaps at BO's supercilious best he can restate that, "a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama." I haven't seen the light.

Although I am supporting McCain I am voting for the safety of divided government.

PUMA
toast

I think Bear's friend is scheduled to be on C-SPAN in a few minutes. Didn't he say 3:30 mountain time?

"But then an outsider steps in - and it drives the two back together."

Interesting analogy Warren.
I've had to "try" and separate many feuding couples back in the bar days and damn if I didn't get cussed and threatened most of the time. lol If it was both men, forget it. I had a bouncher and the cops on speed dial.

BTW,

MO and HRC were at an Emily's List breakfast together this morning. Getting along just fine thank you.

Not to worry, Tweety will find something to complain about.

Milque, respectfully I disagree. There are so many problems in our country right now and the last thing we need is gridlock. The Dems, IMHO, offer the best solutions (of the two major parties) to these problems. Don't forget that even if the Dems hold the Senate, House and Presidency, they will still have major difficulties due to the variants of the various Congressional members, from ultra liberal to ultra conservative and every stripe in-between. I'd rather they have full reign and, if I were "king", I'd like to see an activist government in the model of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's "New Deal", Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey's "Great Society" (not to mention the Humphrey-Hawkins Act.

MO and HRC were at an Emily's List breakfast together this morning. Getting along just fine thank you.

Posted by: Jamie | August 26, 2008 5:24 PM

And that is very good news. Perhaps the message of these two women should be by their example that "unity" is more than just a buzz word, but a goal and ideal of the Democratic Party. At some point have to see beyond our hurt and really analyze who is best to lead our country in the next 4 years. I sure can't see McCain coming in the preferred slot. Hey, it is a pity that Obama skipped over Hillary, but what is done is done. There's more important issues and problems ahead and I follow Hillary's call for unity and support of Barack Obama. I am not going to allow myself to be so angry that I will support the other major party. To me, that runs against my own values, needs and well-being.

Pogo, Looks like you're not around today, but this reminded me of what you were talking about yesterday.

Please, Democrats, Attack
By Paul Begala
"If the Democrats do not spend the remaining days of their convention -- hell, the remaining days of the campaign -- in an all-out assault on the ruinous Bush-McCain policies, they will lose."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/please_democrats_attack.html

I miss Sturge.

Milque:

You divided government theory may make some sense for domestic policy - but it does not hold much water with respect foreign policy.

That is the area that the President has the most control over. And if you think Congress will act as a check after McCain turns up his hawkish rhetoric to Iran and Russia - I believe you will be proven wrong.

McCain is the perfect candidate to stir up tensions to such a degree that Congress will be forced to act - or there will be no need because one of our enemies will strike us or one of our allies.

We need a smart President. Our millitary is strong enough and we do not need some blowhard or hot head in the White House to try to overcompensate with his mouth.

Emily's list afternoon gala

http://emilyslist.org/candidates/gala_stream/

"I think the question is can Obama Dems, the Media and the Left Blogs get over it?"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-swan-song-or-birth-of.html#comment-133840

Katherine, If you ever figure out what that's all about, could you please clue me in too?

fwiw---(CSpan)

Our friend David Gipp just got to the dais. Hope he doesn't get stage fright! lol

BTW Carol. . I think he gave up yard work years ago :)

David Gipp on now

Milque:

It also totally falls apart in terms of the S. Ct. If the GOP is able to replace a liberal Justice with a conservative one - the balance will be lost and the conservatives will control a very powerful branch of government.

"with the door in the upright position the springs should be released".........

i thought he was talking about the convention!!!!!

i gotta pay more attention, and try not to read so fast

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

The post convention bounce better be ENORMOUS

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"Obama Campaign claims that the lawsuit has been dismissed are false. The lawsuit is proceding through the federal courts.

Obama's eligibility must be resolved immediately. If Obama's citizenship isn't resolved now, the Republicans will use it for an October surprise. If Obama doesn't meet the constitutional requirements, we need to know it now so the Democrats can nominate a candidate who is eligible and can win in November - before it is too late to do any good."

http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/8-obama-citizenship-lawsuit-info-sheet

Warren..if you listen to horrible Randi Rhodes more you will discover:

1. She is crude
2. She is often dismissive of her callers
3. She often usws slurred speech on mike
4. She is vulgar
5. She has championed 911 conspiracy theories on the air
6 She is talk radio at its worst
7. She used to fawn over Hillary Clinton until Hillary did not reappear on her show.

Randi Rhodes had 2 offices at Air America. I saw 'em in person. Very impressive.

The bounce won't be big at all. The Dems better pull it together and get ready for a tough fight.

Anyways, I like the polls being close or even having Obama slightly behind.

America loves an underdog.

And he is the underdog. And yes it is because he is black. And also because he is not a Washington insider. And finally because he is a Democrat - and the Democratic party is not as loyal as the Republicans. (Which might actually be a good thing in theory - but not good in terms of winning elections...)

The goods news is that the GOP also usually out-organizes the Dems - but Obama has show great skill in this area.

Rasmussen is tied today..With McCain's 2 pt. Gallup lead, it might be wise for ALL Obama supporters to show a little respect for the Clintonsand their supporters.

Gallup: 80% Demo.favor rating for Hillary
75% want her to run for President again.

The Clintons and their army are not going away.

Warren, is Biden a Washignton outsider?

OD:

I listen to talk shows more to get a sense of what people are saying out there - including Rush, Glen Beck, etc.

Plus - I am probably guilty of the first 4 things you listed...

Warren, is Biden a Washington outsider?

"but you can't point to any post of mine that was slanderous. "

I thought you did fairly well in that department with "incontinent, basement dwelling, ancient, racist hag" but you may have been loaded that night and are suffering from blackouts.

Corey

The question is, outside of what?
Jack

But, not to the candidates, Jamie.

Corey

He got off some equally foul descriptions of Clinton.

That's the thing, Jack. Obama's appeal was that he is a Washington outsider. Biden has been there for 35 years. Not in keeping with Obama's outsider appeal. I'm just saying that doesn't totally apply right now.

I thought Senator Clinton was a candidate.

It's okay to insult people, just don't defame them.

"communication or a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual"

So you think the statement made about me was factual?

Corey:

No.

But I don't have a problem with that. It is the President that sets the tone of the debate.

And guess what - one of the most important jobs for a President is to TALK...

A President makes the final call - but most decisions are a collaborative effort that is heavily influenced by the Cabinet and the Party. It is then the President's job to go out and sell the policy through SPEECHES. (Can you remember cringing as Bush tried to sell the Iraq War through Cowboy Diplomacy?)

I think it is the stupidest argument in the world to try to turn Obama's strong speaking abilities into a weakness. Since politicians get paid to talk.

Yet people eat that sh*t up...

Bear - I am so elated that you are not going to try to fix your door yourself. It was the use of the term "re-tension" that was freaky. Who wants to deal with a strong metal cable that doesn't want to be tensioned???

I remember when Carroll O'Conner son committed suicide. Carroll O'Conner verbally went after the guy who was his son's drug supplier. Eventhough the guy did supply O'Connor's son with drugs, he filed a defamation of character lawsuit against Carroll O'Conner.

More from SoetorObama's "hidden" past.
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"Today the Ayers/ Obama the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (housed in the UIC library) that had been suspended in lock down were released and according to FOX news the DOCUMENTS LINK BARACK OBAMA TO 1960'S TERRORIST AYERS.

Obama Needs to Explain His Ties to William Ayers By Michael Barone:

... the Weather Underground terrorist in the late 1960s and '70s whose radical group set bombs at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. During the April 16 Democratic debate, Barack Obama explained his past association with Ayers by saying he was just a guy "in my neighborhood," ..."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/documents-link.html

Presuming an Obama win, which I sincerely hope he does, my opinion of him will be made with his cabinet choices. So much of what has gone wrong with this nation has been due to the total incompetence of the Texas mafia and other Bush buddies.

Corey
I think Obama can keep his outsider (not part of theis mess) status as he is running against McCain. His problem may be his claimto be a problem.

What he does give up with Biden is his MR Clean image. Biden has too many contacts , including his son, to the banking industry.

Jack

Jack, Do you really think Biden has much of any impact with the people who will or will not vote for Obama, either way?

Well I haven't changed my mind about you since you continue to heap abuse, sarcasm, and other vile excretions on others, without let up on a daily almost hourly basis.

Senator Clinton isn't interested in serving in McCain's cabinet

"I think it is the stupidest argument in the world to try to turn Obama's strong speaking abilities into a weakness"

Yet McCain has done just that with the "the celeb" ad and "the one" ad.

Kinda interesting, don't know how long it will last tho.

Jack

Corey:

(i didn't really address your statement before I went into my diatribe.)

The point is that I think Obama will (and should) rely heavily on Biden's advice. I also respect Barack's own intelligence and judgment. But Obama will be able to articulate policies it in a way that will move people to action.

He also has a certain amount of credibility on the world stage because he did not support the Iraq war.

How can McCain say to Russia that it should not invade a soverign nation with a straight face? (Especially on right on its own border...)

And let's not forget experience does not guarantee good judgment. The two most experienced - and influential - members of Bush's Administration in terms of Foreign Policy were Cheney and Rumsfeld. And how did that work out?

If you look at the running gallup graph, it really didn't change much more than it has been all along. They've been close to tied for a long time, and nothing has happened to change that.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

but because he has enormous appeal among blue collar voters.

Not so far. Biden named vp and McCain surges in Ohio

Warren: I also like to listen to different perspectives on the radio.

I am greatly disappointe that much of progressive radio such as Rhodes and Ed Schultz are just as destructive and offensive as Limbaugh and Hannity.

but because he has enormous appeal among blue collar voters.

Especially the ones losing their homes to foreclosure since the Biden Bankruptcy law protects the credit card companies before homes.

I thought Biden voted for the war. He also went along with many of the opinions that McCain had. If I remember right, Biden wasn't against the war, he was against the surge.

aw, man...was that magic light shining again and i missed it?
next time i hear the birds singing, i'll run outside and spread my arms up to the heaven and see if i get it.

....so far, nope. nobama

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

Yep, he voted for it.

I think every Democrat should follow up their (often) lame jokes about McCain's 7 houses and his $5M per year is rich - by linking these comments to McCain's desire to continue to Bush tax cuts.

Simply making these jokes everytime they get a chance without tying it to policy will not be enough.

Milque:

It also totally falls apart in terms of the S. Ct. If the GOP is able to replace a liberal Justice with a conservative one - the balance will be lost and the conservatives will control a very powerful branch of government.

Posted by: warren

Welcome back, you are a favorite...

First my hope is that he will pick centrist judges but Obama's tepid an inane initial response to the invasion of Georgia and his willingness to meet without preconditions { still back peddling} with rogue leaders to me trumps all other issues. I am terrified of his singular weakness. I cannot vote for a faculty lounge POTUS who evokes images of Neville Chamberlain. The part played by J. Clyburn also looms large and so my voting for Obama would be the quintessential "fairytale."

I share your concerns so my choice is truly painful.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Corey,

Will you be able to come to California?

Biden headed the Foreign Relations Committee during the pre-invasion debate, so it's fair to ask what he did to stop the failures he's now pinning on Bush. Here's his record:

Before Congress voted for the invasion of Iraq, in October 2002, Biden and Indian Republican Richard Lugar tried to float a more restrictive resolution. It would have authorized the president to go after the alleged weapons of mass destruction -- but not Saddam -- and then only after trying every diplomatic option. Saddam held Iran in check, which was a major reason why the first President Bush, upon liberating Kuwait, decided not to march onto Baghdad.

Although he ultimately voted for the war, Biden continued to complain that the "coalition" in Iraq was really the United States' going it alone. "There's nothing international about this until we get NATO in there and we get Islamic forces in there," he said in August 2003.

More U.S. troops might have made a difference then, when Biden urged that they be sent. He also pressed Bush "to level with the American people" about the likely cost and length of the Iraq war. The administration ignored his advice.

Like Hillary Clinton, Biden has refused to apologize for the vote authorizing the war. Neither should have to. The consensus at the time -- including among mainstream liberal media -- was that Saddam was developing weapons of mass destruction for possible use against us.

Even then, Biden didn't buy the neocon dreams of creating a democratic Mesopotamia with force. Only the WMD warranted war, he said in 2002. "That should be our rationale, not this new doctrine of pre-emption and regime change."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/put_biden_in_the_front_row.html

Chloe

Not really, Everything is mostly known about him. Also, historically the VP has had little impact.
If Obama will start putting people out front and center that have heartland and mountain state ties he should be able to balance the perception that he is east coast.
Biden relates to the common man far better than Obama can and doing that he may be able to help strengthen that part of the campaign.

My point to corey was,
It is just that the Obama campaign has been playing the we are so perfect that we don't play with lobbiest and don't like people who do. Now they can't do that.

I think the VP will go back to being a cutter of ribbons
I hope that we have seen the end of the Cheny style VP

Jack

Toast:

What is the option besides talking...

It's called War.

Moreover, I think talking first - even if diplomacy fails - will give any war effort greater credibility than the shoot first ask questions later policy of Bush and McCain.

FDIC Warns of More Bank Troubles
The Government Insures Depositors When Banks Fail, But Does It Have Enough Cash?
By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
ABC NEWS Business Unit
Aug. 26, 2008

The health of U.S. banks is quickly deteriorating, and the government fund set up to protect depositors might not have enough money to insure everybody, analysts told ABCNews.com.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5660122&page=1

We'll be partying like it's 1929

It would take a miracle. I have discussed this with Julia. Can't swing it right now.

"those are people who now hold the power in the party, and they are there because a MAJORITY in the party want them"

Complete BS. No majority exists right now.

Biden also argued for putting more men in up front and to take over and help set up the natural divisions into Sunni, Shia, and Kurd sections with a centralized government to handle the oil division and other other national interests.

If that had been done at the beginning, there wouldn't have been all this religious slaughter between the various factions with our soldiers caught in the middle.

He understood the historical construction of this hodge podge, thrown together country.

Biden wasn't against the war, but he was for running it a lot smarter than it has been run for much of the time we've been over there.

"Unlike you I don't over personalize my candidates, unlike you I don't feel supporting my candidate justifies crawling in the mud."

Hilarious. You have personalized Obama to the point you beieve you are his personal dope dealer. And you were BORN in the mud.

Corey

RATS!!! You were one of the bright lights of Vegas. If things change between now and November let us know.

This is actually giving me the opportunity to do something I've wanted to do for a while. I'm taking the Coast Starlight overnight from Tacoma to Salinas. Should be a nice trip.

"You must have God giving absolution on speed dial."

Post of the day.

"Jamie you do understand the difference between opinion and slander, yes?"

Fool. Opinion can be slander.

Well, if I hit MegaMillions tonight, that will change. LOL! A few years ago, my Mom and some of her friends from church went to a womens conference at the Grand Hotel in Mackinaw Island. The next year, some other woman decided she wanted to go to the conference with my Mom and her friends. But, my Mom and her friends didn't want her to go with them. This woman called up the hotel and told the hotel she was gonna be staying in a room with some of the women that were going with my Mom. She told the other women that she did this after the fact. My Mom and her friends flipped. They called the hotel and told them this wasn't true! The other woman ended up staying home because that's how they wanted it. I just thought it was funny that my Mom and her friends would purposely not invite another woman to a religious conference.

Ignore the knotheads

Mitt Romney had a funny answer to a question on MSNBC.

How many houses do you have Governor?

Answer: 4..1 less than John Kerry

First time Romney made me laugh..probably the last time.

Ignore the knotheads Posted by: Oregon Democrat

Hi Oregon. I think you and I have figured out by now, that ain't gonna happen.

"First time Romney made me laugh..probably the last time."

Oregon, You have to admit that Romney has a pleasant personality.

Toast:

What is the option besides talking...

Posted by: warren

I agree that diplomacy must always be the first option and with divided government there is greater assurance that will be the case. I am not jumping on the McCain bandwagon with pleasure. It is Obama's sterling quality of being a milquetoast in foreign policy which is exacerbated by a newly resurgent Russia that adds to my concern. I am not asking Obama to beTeddy Roosevelt and to carry a big stick, just show me that he has the capacity to hold a twig.

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

dinner calls, regards

Chloe..Yes..it seems there are a few on this blog who seem to enjoy abusive treatment. Otherwise they would ignore the knotheads..

Romney can be pleasant, but there is a mean edge to him. I wish he would muss up his hair a bit. I think muss is a word.

Or at least enjoy the drama Oregon.

Yes, I'm sure Romney does have a mean edge. But then, doesn't just about everyone.

Craig -- if you and your pals have too much to drink, grag a cab to Pete's Kitchen on Colfax and have the breakfast burrito smothered in green chili.....I think they're open all night.

Dennis K is speaking. Check out his tie..the biggest tie I have seen in years.

"..it seems there are a few on this blog who seem to enjoy abusive treatment. Otherwise they would ignore the knotheads.."

I completely disagree OD. It is like telling a woman to ignore a battering husband. The only way I could ignore it is to never read this blog again.

Patsi. I hope you know we weren't talking about you.

I wasn't talking about Patsi either

No Patsi..It is like telling a battered woman or a battered man that it is good to continue to continue to participate in an abusive relationship!

OD is right. Engaging is what the little twit craves. It gives it a chance to prance around and insult people.

Ignoring the iknotheads doesn't mean leaving the blog.

I only have 4i knotheads on my list.

I don't read their posts.
I try to stop reading posts responding to them
There is plenty to enjoy on the blog.

I don't allow abusive, unbalanced people in my life. I'm not going to lower my standards online and won't be driven away.

"OD is right. Engaging is what the little twit craves"

Glad you said that Katherine.
Because I sure don't think you deserved to be talked to the way you were talked to tonight. We don't have to agree with one another in order to show some respect.

Everyone enjoy Hillary's speech tonight. I know she has to do what she has to do.

We understand.

"I don't allow abusive, unbalanced people in my life."

me either Oregon.

One of the Fox news reporters went to a very well known Denver steak house, who also serves rocky mtn oysters. He tried to explain what they were, then he had the cook show how they cooked them, he actually shivered when the cook sliced through them.Then they are breaded and deep fried.
I am rotfl by this time, then he took several platters back to the fox news rooms. He offered several people a piece and did not tell them what it was. After they had it in their mouth and chewing, he told them. It was hilarious. Some quit chewing, some looked like they could gag, and some just smiled.. Good for a laugh anyhow..
julie

Okay, I know you all will probably attack, but here goes.

What if Barack Obama revitalized ERA and made it a priority? I've always wondered why it never passed thirty years ago, but I think the US is ready for it today. And one can argue that equal pay would help the middle class, particularly by expanding poor single mothers into the middle class and helping raise the income levels of married couples. What do you all think?

Barbara Mikulski is speaking. A tough cookie.. She may be small but I'd want her next to me in the foxhole.

Mr. D, for the first 12 years of working where I work we had equal pay for everyone on the production floor. The only difference in pay was your evaluation score. The higher your score, the higher your pay scale. Last year, the company we got sold as employees to changed things. The top-out pay dropped by $2.80. They then decided that certain jobs were worth more pay than others. Hi-Lo drivers make $1.00 more than production workers. Mold changers make $2.00 more than production workers. However, despite that, everyone still makes less than what we did before May 1st, 2007.

Corey,

With your example, would employers under ERA start making certain jobs defacto "women" jobs like in the old days where only women were Ma Bell operators? That way, they can justify paying a lower wage, as long as they pay men and women the same?

I don't know if ERA's time is now..will have to give that some thought.

Chloe

This is an article from my local paper on Clinton supporters and I think this is representative not the current media narrative. The media is stupid.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080826/NEWS/10194/1350&title=Clinton_backers_moving_on

Wolfe Blizer tthinks it is great there are 16 women in the Senate because he can remember when there were none.
Shouldn't there be at least fifty?

My Dad often told me how things were when he worked in a factory. I haven't seen what he talked about yet. I will say that when I was hired, my company preached to us the importance of doing all kinds of "off-line" jobs. If you came to work and volunteered to do extra work, the better it would reflect on you, the better your pay would be, because you would get a higher evaluation score. A few years ago, my company scrapped the evaluation system. We no longer get them. So people said, "Why should I do any extra work when another person doesn't have to do anything and he and I will still get the same raise." Of course, we no longer even get raises. Women do everything where I work. Our plant manager is a woman. 4 of the last 5 supervisors I've had have been women. The last 3 have been women.

Bidens blue collar appeal, maybe you are on to something there.

He is like the guy in the bar that knows everything and will talk, talk, talk all night. Solving the worlds problems one shot at a time.

Next morning, what the hell? Oh right, we solved all the worlds problems, but why do I have such a massive headache?

Thanks Katherine, I've got to finish some work then I'll finish reading it.

60 Children Among Afghan Dead, U.N. Finds

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/asia/27herat.html

KABUL, Afghanistan — A United Nations human rights team has found “convincing evidence” that some 90 civilians — among them 60 children — were killed in air strikes on a village in western Afghanistan on Thursday night, a statement issued by the United Nations mission in Kabul said, making it almost certainly the deadliest case of civilian casualties caused by any United States military operation in Afghanistan since 2001.

Chloe

If you get a chance ypu might also enjoy this

http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/huffpo-lunch-dirty-bloggers-eatin-cold-salmon/

Pols/old media parasites together feeding off big donors

UB,

Get the stupid reporters out of Denver and into Afghanistan and every other rotten place we have American soldiers stationed around the world. Denver is a waste of time, we all know what is going to happen.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski...On Emily's List program... (
said, "Put CHANGE in women's checkbooks." Time for equal pay for equal work.

Women earn $.73 to the dollar compared to men.

Denver is easy to cover. We all know that news isn't really news anymore it's all commentary....cheaply produced at that.

I remember in the first Gulf war there was a military briefing every single morning on TV. This war, dare to photograph it, or cover any of it, and you may find yourself without employment.

This is just wrong.

Luke Russert has a choppy, unpolished delivery.
Nepotism at its worst..

I like what Luke Russert is saying about younger voters….rings so true with what I know of this group.

Well, if I am not mistaken Obama wants to beef up the war in Afghanistan, and draw down Iraq. So how will Obama make sure this type of airstrike won't happen. Will he be like Nixon and pick targets?

Yikes! Joe Scarborough and David Schuster fight on MSNBC

It’s around 2:15 that things get really exciting.

This is so crazy…Schuster tries to lie and claim he is independent and unbiased, and Scarborough just rips him to shreds.

Shreds.

It’s amazing.

(See link for video.)

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/yikes-joe-scarborough-and-david-schuster-fight-on-msnbc/

Tweety should be fired on the spot

I don't know how it will be handled, but I sure hope that what happens in any conflict is commented on, and not just swept under the rug.....like it never happened.

Afghanistan and now also Pakistan will have to be addressed....as well as other hot spots. The world is a mess we need to make progress in a positive direction....what we are currently doing isn't working.

"What if Barack Obama revitalized ERA and made it a priority? I've always wondered why it never passed thirty years ago, but I think the US is ready for it today."

I seriously doubt it, unless the men look at it as reparations of some sort.

Not all men, of course.

I'd like to have the details of Obama's solution to this mess. I hate to overuse the Nixon analogy, but Nixon had his secret plant to end the war in Vietnam. Well, it took an awful long time to get it over with. Cost too many lives.

Pakistan is the most dangerous, a powderkeg ready to blow with nukes. Are we ready to go into Pakistan and grab all their nukes when that place falls apart. If not, they could end up any where, and India isn't going to be happy about that.

Al Dexter : Pistol Packin' Mama ( 1943

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uESJlJAj7g

"Get the stupid reporters out of Denver and into Afghanistan and every other rotten place we have American soldiers stationed around the world. Denver is a waste of time, we all know what is going to happen. "

Bow has just said what should be shouted from the rooftops of Denver.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-swan-song-or-birth-of.html#comment-134006

Patsi,
Thanks for writing that post. I can only speak for myself on this, but what you do looks more like defense of the site and not the support I see him get from some others. It always surprises me that some can see him verbally abuse so many here, and then turn around and treat him like nothing happened. But that is none of my business, and I shouldn't have said anything.

Gordo, Thanks for linking that Morning Joe video. I'd forgotten how much I like him.

Can't they get some more enthusiastic speakers? My friend suggested comedian Steven Wright.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedkennedy1980dnc.htm

Gee I don't hear Ted Kennedy saying you cannot stay on the sidelines.

Jack,

Don't waste your time, you know how mushrooms are. Never see the light of day, grow in manure. And if you aren't careful which ones you eat, will make you really sick.

Investigators Downplay Alleged Obama Threat

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93974189

Police pulled over Gartrell as his truck weaved across lanes of traffic early Sunday morning. They found bulletproof vests, two rifles — including one with a scope — ammunition, walkie-talkies and drugs.

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"Police pulled over Gartrell as his truck weaved across lanes of traffic early Sunday morning. They found bulletproof vests, two rifles — including one with a scope — ammunition, walkie-talkies and drugs."

Thank GOD Hillary isn't the Veep pick. You people would be pointing the finger at her.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/wokits_2013_29001054

UB

I was thinking the same thing about Luke. He's like a big puppy ... not quite trained yet, but very loveable and extremely bright. He makes me smile and has good insights on his age cohort.

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