Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

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Craig,

How are the Rocky Mountain Oysters?

"One admittedly superficial way to measure the predictive utility of the Clinton convention speeches might be to simply count the number of paragraphs in which they talk about themselves - and contrast that with how much text they devote to talking about Barack Obama."

Craig.... well.... at least you admit that it's superficial..... I would call counting paragraphs the ultimate in nerdiness!..... lol....

I am going to watch the convention tonight..... not only for Hillary's speech, but for Mark Warner's too..... and I will be giving up a Red Sox/Yankees game in order to do so.....

Craig -- for the greatest breakfast in Denver try Pete's Kitchen on East Colfax.

Renee, I'll also be watching Hillary's speech. Likewise Bill's. That's about it. If there is a Clinton wing to the party, I'm already in it.

jamie,

But the truth is, which you can not deny, HRC is the more qualified candidate, and she will be sitting on the sidelines because you, Hillary supporters, let the DNC, MSM and Team BHO roll you. You all talk a good game, but in reality your gutless to do anything about it. You could do something, but you won't, you'll just sit there and take it. Sort of like the abused wife who keeps returning home only to get beat just one more time by the person who is suppose to love them, to care for them. So once again the female has been kicked to the curb. Helloooo

There will be no clinton wing of the party, the way Obama ran his campaign should make that very clear and how he'll run the party for the next 8 years. Also there are just too many of the powerful who want the party to move on, namely Nancy, and Howard.

Couldn't you argue the DLC IS the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party?

http://www.dlc.org/

Responding to Patsi, who has been on a whine about "morally unfit"

Patsi: you seized on one line in a carefully written and sincere post I put up Sunday. You do that a lot -- fight around the fringes and ignore the substance.

You know what the stakes are in this election.

Thinking on it: if you passionately share Hillary Clinton's view of all that needs to change in this country, and choose to enable a third Bush-Cheney term by using or withholding your vote to punish a third party or entity -- I leave it to individual conscience to decide if that is morally unfit.

We all have a free vote; you will do what you like.

Morally unfit or not, voting for that reason above all strikes me as "vindictive, short-sighted, against self-interest and going to take the chance of punishing a lot of people for the perceived sins of a few."

You happier with that description?

"You all talk a good game, but in reality your gutless to do anything about it. You could do something, but you won't, you'll just sit there and take it. Sort of like the abused wife who keeps returning home only to get beat just one more time by the person who is suppose to love them, to care for them. So once again the female has been kicked to the curb. Helloooo "

BS, Fry. You sound like the flip side of the O-team. Stop it!

I think Hillary and Bill have a future in the party. In addition to whatever she does with her career, maybe she could found or support an organization that finances and enables women running for national office. Use that email list to get it started.

"you seized on one line in a carefully written and sincere post I put up Sunday. You do that a lot -- fight around the fringes and ignore the substance."

No, dog. What I do is read your posts for what they are, carefully worded slams. Digs couched in seemingly innocuous commentary. I've never been one who appreciated passive aggressive tendencies. But I sure as hell know 'em when I see 'em.

Craig I think you fail to give credit to just how much of a desire by many in the party to move away from Clinton style politics and their lack of an ideological core. People get really tired of being thrown under the bus for the good of the Clintons. Just ask the Speaker!

The way Obama is running his campaign. The Clinton's will be the Democratic Party after November.

McCain now ahead in the daily Gallup --the Biden Bounce?

PRINCETON, NJ -- It's official: Barack Obama has received no bounce in voter support out of his selection of Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice presidential running mate.

Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama's Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week's standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking

Patsi/Saucy Goose,

You're a very angry person.

dog,

I am glad you are not a referee, you would end-up having to be escorted out of the arena by the police, because by trying to please everyone with your decisions, you actually have alienated everyone. You can't proclaim victory when the game has been fixed, by the DNC, MSM, and team BHO.

When Bill Clinton was tarred and feather by Team BHO and the MSM because they propelled his SC remarks as racist, should have been a wake-up call to all HRC supporters that the fix was in for BHO.

frydaddy,

you happen to know anything about how to retension a cable for an overhead garage door?

Read that, Bear. May be a dangerous job, btw.

http://www.homerepairforum.com/forum/garage-doors-openers/4287-retensioning-garage-door-spring.html

"Affirmative action has nothing to do with Obama's winning the nomination"

KGC

It has a little to do with it in that he got the backing to run sooner with less experience than would be the norm, but he made the race and won on his own. Got lots of help, but he attracted the votes. As with any affirmative action. It got the foot in the door. After that he had to make things happen.

JM 2 pts up over BHO.
So much for Biden, Teddy's appearance or Michelle's speech.

Talking about abused wives, what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop.

FD

I didn't have a lot of respect for McCain way back when he was operating in the Maverick edition with the whole Straight Talk Express. Straight Talk only works when you are saying something worth hearing.

"There are many people that vote by likability alone forget facts.......just people I know tend to be more pragmatic....I guess I was referring to those voters who attempt to make an informed vote."

UB..... I think that both candidates will have their share of informed and uninformed votes.....

I will be voting for Obama.... but I don't see people who would vote for McCain as necessarily being uninformed..... I see them as just thinking differently than I do..... I have many friends that regularly vote Republican.... and I have a hard time being with stupid people.....

here's to hoping that Clinton and Warner kick some Republican butt tonight!

"Also there are just too many of the powerful who want the party to move on, namely Nancy, and Howard. "

Well that is a totally lousy endorsement.

but can you spot the relentlessly angry aggressive bitch, when you see 'em ?

Patsi: you excel at finding insults and slams where none are intended. Were the women who commented on my post stooges and dupes? CatBalu realized it was sincere. She did not find it persuasive, but that's fine.

You bore me Patsi. You evaluate things through the narrowest and meanest possible prism and your comments are often one long angry scream.

Of course, there is also your better side, the writer/mother/cook/country music scene insider, which is clever and funny. I always read your comments and enjoy when the better person shines through.

Getting sick of the moray eel on steroids, though.

"Talking about abused wives, what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop." fry

Fry the Freepers are not Democrats.
Care to post a link to Democrats saying anything of the kind about Elizabeth Edwards?

FD

"what is this story about blaming poor Elizabeth Edwards for John Edwards screwing around. Democrats blaming Elizabeth Edwards, when will the madness stop."

When did Rash Limpballs become a Democrat. He was the one accusing Elizabeth of not keeping hubby home with a blow job.

Bear,

I know this about garage overhead door springs. If you don't know what your doing, you can get killed messing with those things. Last year our door came off track, guide wires spiraled all over the place, so I called a guy who put the correct tension back on the springs. Learned that these springs only have a life span of about 12 years. This year we had to replace both spring as one cracked in half.

One year ago I held Obama in high esteem and my main impression of him was from his address at the last democratic convention. My favorites this year were Hillary and Biden and though I liked BO it was held in check by his thin resume. Since last summer I have learned more about Obama and my opinion of him has steadily diminished.

Had the DNC and the MSM not acted so egregiously to Hillary, their Clinton hatred so palpable that historians will refer to it as "the Olbermann/Matthews Dark Age. Having only voted for Dems I have taken M.Obama's comment to heart and "give serious thought" before voting, I am voting for McC because I could not sanction the behavior of the media, Dean, Pelosi, and my hero J. Clyburn.

Brian's landslide:
National Gallup Tracking Obama 44, McCain 46 McCain +2

PUMA/Clintons4McCain

toast

Dog

The sermons get a little hard to take at times. How about sticking to subjects where there is agreement.

Jamie,

But this story is coming from your side. Always blame the victim, isn't that right jamie.

RR, my point is that most people I know, talk about issues and their beliefs and they match themselves up with the closest party...it wasn't meant to be a statement about one party or the other - just in general how people lean, and make voting decisions....sorry if I was too vague.

Gee you all act so surprised at Fry posting scummy lies about Dems. Why?

Champ, Fry,

Thanks for the info...How much did that repair cost you Fry?

Also, did anyone who watched the convention see any "Bring back Pepsi Clear signs?"

FD

No one from my side is blaming Elizabeth. That particular figment is a Republican nightmare.

No one on our side is returning his phone calls begging for forgiveness. Maybe he should call McCain. He knows all about deserting sick wives for a younger model.

Sad. Dr Dre's 20 year old son and namesake has been found dead. Returned from a night out and found unresponsive by his mother.

Very sad.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dreson27-2008aug27,0,5839535.story

KGC,
I'm going to pull a jamie, "Do your own research". Hey if it is good for jamie, it is good for me.

No Jamie. That would be silencing a woman's voice, wouldn't it?

I took a look Fry and no Democrat has said anything of the kind

I would call you a concern troll but you are doing more you are lying.

Bear,

To adjust the springs, about $125, but that was on a Friday after 7:00 PM. To totally replace both of them, the guide wires $250.00. Other than the door itself, just about everything has a 12 year life expectancy.

FD

That is not something where I would use that phrase. You made the accusation. You prove it is true.

Dog,

Not telling you to keep quiet just saying it was boring.
You have done nothing but beat up on Clinton for months. Nothing has changed.

UB.... same with me..... I love sharing my believes with others.....
thanks for the exchange......

Fry.... it feels like you're trying to get us to vote for McCain..... not gonna happen for me..... I may not be in love with Obama.... but the Republicans don't deserve my vote, IMO......

Jamie and KGC,

"Two weeks after a devastating revelation sent her husband into political exile, Elizabeth Edwards isn't getting the steady sympathy usually afforded to a woman scorned.
Instead, she's faced criticism from dedicated Democrats who think she was too willing to keep the affair a secret to help John Edwards' political ambitions."

Sorry girls but since you couldn't find it I did. Sad blaming Elizabeth for keep the story quiet. I thought it was a personal matter. Now she is being blamed for keeping it quiet. Not only did John Edwards screw her over other D's are trying to screw her. Just more of the same, kick the girl when she is down.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfOq80s0bbfh1UP_b8x29EsWTXAwD92PR9500

Dan Balz of WaPo being interviewed on C-APAN

FD

One AP release quoting two political consultants and a commenter from the Daily KOS. Probably not a wholesale drawing and quartering by the Democratic party.

RR,

No not at all. As I told one of your crew this yesterday. Don't feel like you have to vote for JM, you can write in HRC, or not vote the Presidential part of the ticket, you can still vote for your local representatives. RR I am an R, but you know and I know this isn't right what they did to HRC. If HRC was the candidate I would bet you all your green ware she have have a 10 pt margin in her favor. By voting for BHO you are condoning what they did to HRC, you are enabling their actions.Now after the Europe swing, Biden, having Teddy there last night, Michelle presenting herself as a common person, the best Team BHO can do is tie. JM will win this election, no one votes for the VP, and BHO with all his charm is just an empty suit who needs people in every phase to prop him up.

UhOh. Biden cried today. Was he just playing it up for votes? Or is it a sign of weakness? Is he just being over-emotional due to some hormonal thing? Maybe he's in over his head and reacting to the stress? Oh dear, dear, dear.

What's that again, flaming tildes of sarcasm? ~~~~~

Gee Mark Penn is helping Bill write his speech for tomorrow. That must make you feel proud Jamie. Good to know despite still being owed millions he's not holding back on providing his services to the Clintons.

Jamie new set of rules. When you ask for proof and then are shown the proof, but you don't like the proof, just deny the proof. I never knew you were such a mushroom.

Does anyone know what time Hillary speaks tonight.Her's and Bill's are the only one's I want to see.Can't waste time with any of the others.Would rather play mahjong

Ruth

Jamie: I am disappointed in you.

And surprised.

Now that is scary. A computer failure in the FAA that processes flight plans. Lots of people sitting on the ground staring at the tarmac. At least they know where the almost 6,000 up in the air are located.

Bill Clinton is a 62 y/o professional politician what is all this crap about his hurt feelings?

I reregistered my phone no. on do not call list.Could not believe that time has run out on the first registration.Have n\been getting bombarded with robo calls for the last couple of weeks.

Anyone need to reregister the number to call is 1-888-382-1222 or on line at donotcall.gov.

Ruth

jamie,
"
That is not something where I would use that phrase. You made the accusation. You prove it is true."

Oh yes you did and you know you did. You have a convenient memory loss when you want to, or maybe you are having one of those senior moments. :-)

But to answer the 2nd part, I have, you just don't like what it had to say.

FD

I didn't deny the proof. I said it had little import. You were maintaining that the Party was blaming her or Democrats were blaming her. I just don't see any banket condemnation in that article.

if the clintons are the old dem party---what is ted kennedy??
and, i've been wondering..are some of these bho folks the same folks that voted for nader?
i will vote in nov. for my state and local dems. that's it.
i can't vote for someone that i truly believe is not ready for the job.

Dog,

Sorry to disappoint you, but you do have a tendency to lecture from a stand of injured nobility, and you have been letting the Clinton supporters know at length how disappointed you were that they just couldn't somehow see the light.

No one blames Mrs. Edwards for the affair --just for not making it public or for remaining silent. And three people who claim to be Democrats out of millions. Hardly proof of the blanket statement you made.

I have to run, but it has been fun. Don't be a victim, or an enabler, vote HRC!

Dog, Sorry to disappoint you, but you do have a tendency to lecture from a stand of injured nobility, and you have been letting the Clinton supporters know at length how disappointed you were that they just couldn't somehow see the light.

=================

Jamie: interesting comment.

It is a mirror image of your behavior.

I see that. Do you?

Dog

Actually I do. When I get intense, I press too hard on people to try to convince them rather than just presenting my position and letting them decide.

Hey Ruth -- I hope you will stay tuned for Mark Warner's speech tonight. I would like to know what you think. He could have run for Pres this year, but decided to stay out of it for now because of his family. He's running for Senate in VA instead.

I know and like Mark, but he's not always been the best public speaker. He has done a lot of work on his public speaking ability since he first started on his political career and he's gotten much better.

Mark has his own log cabin story -- he is he first of his family to go to college, he's a self-made millionaire, but very down to earth. His mother suffered from Alzheimers and I remember how he described how hard it was for him to find care for her -- and while he acknowledged that he has a lot of resources -- it was still hard -- so he could really understand how difficult it is for families who don't have the same resources. Mark is a huge reason why Virginia is even within shooting distance of turning blue -- even the GOP in VA love Mark.

Renee -- I don't think Mark is going to kick too hard on GOP butt -- he will criticize their upside down economic policies -- but I don't think he will get personal about it.

Bear,

With the door in the up position the tension should be fully released. Remove the springs, and then get the weight of the door. The door weight is important when selecting replacement springs. Replacement springs have the weight rating on the package, Install the replacement springs and make sure that you have the safety cable running on the inside of the spring coil and secured to the frame, allowing the sping to extend when the door is closed. Safety cables are EXTREMELY important. If those springs ever break (and they do) those cables keep them from flying in any random directon destroying what ever they come in contact with. They have so much potential energy when extended they can kill.

"Getting sick of the moray eel on steroids, though."

Posted by: dog's eye view

well then either stop poking her with your verbal sticks or learn to ignore the consequences

Thanks y'all. Now I have a paralyzing fear of my garage door.

Fry....
anyone who knows me would NEVER call me a "victim"..... lol....
I ALWAYS make up my own mind and will vote for the candidate of my choice....
I do, however, respect other's right to their own choices....

and as for McCain winning this election..... as someone who's always voted Democratic for president starting in 1972 and a life long Red Sox fan, I've learned to get over losing and disappointment very quickly..... (although it sure is nice to have the Red Sox recently change their losing ways..... )

Alicia.... I will forgive Mark Warner if he can't get too negative on Republicans as long as he gives us an impassioned reason why he is a Democrat......
too much was bland,IMO, last night.....

The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party. I hope -- in vain, probably -- that the Dems see what happened to the Republican Party when the Religious Right was perceived as controlling their Party. The Death of cooperation, moderation, civility and compromise.

Don't know who said it, because just heard in passing on CNN, but one of the movers and shakers said that in the long run 90% of the Clinton voters would "cast a tepid vote for Obama", but they didn't care ... tepid still counted as a vote.

I think that is pretty well what it is going to be on election day. If the "tepid" vote and the young, newly registered vote, then Obama wins.

Renee -- As a preview -- Mark Warner spoke in 2003 about why he is a Democrat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2253608

Bowman,

My issue is that the door slipped a rail and in the process of putting it back, one of the tension cables came off.

The door has a center spring and it seems to be ok...I'm trying to figure out if I can reset the cable with one side of the door under tension...

Can someone tell me if you think this is funny? I went to high school with him so I am not a proper judge...

http://crackle.com/c/Comedy/McCain_Vlog_1_Welcome/2364788/#ml=fi%3D%26fu%3D2446437

I agree with milquetoast and john hogue

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260015
On the August 25 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, when asked by host Chris Matthews about "this civil war" between "the PUMAs, the holdouts ... and the majority, apparently, of [Sen.] Hillary [Clinton] people who really want [Sen.] Barack Obama and the Democratic Party to win this November," NBC News political director Chuck Todd said of the story, "I kind of think we're hyping it up a little bit. It's getting a little overheated. ... And I wonder if in three days, we look back and say, 'Why did we waste all of our time with that?' " Notwithstanding Todd's comments, during MSNBC's August 25 coverage of the Democratic National Convention, in interviews with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), former President Jimmy Carter, and Obama communications director Robert Gibbs, 18 of the 20 questions asked by NBC and MSNBC correspondents and anchors dealt with Clinton, her supporters, or former President Bill Clinton.

Mr. Hogue,

I do not see the centerists and moderates as a new wing of the democratic party. I see them as the old core of the party which has been eviscerated

Reminds me of a song that was written by David Grisman

Old and in the way
That's what I heard him say
They used to heed the words he said
But that was yesterday
Coal will turn to gray
And youth will fade away
They'll never care about you
Cause you're old and in the way

As I hear tell he was happy
He had his share of friends and were kind
Now those freinds have all passed on
He don't have a place called home
Looking back to a better day
When you're old and in the way

When just a boy he left his home
Thought he'd have the world on a string
Now the years have come and gone
Through the streets he walks alone
LIke the old dog gone astray
He's just old and in the way

They'll never care about you
Cause you're old in the way

Right on KGC!

Bowman you are full of it

Are you a handy guy, Bear? If not, call a pro. Not worth getting your hand (or head) cut off. I almost lost a finger screwing with my garage door.

" there is also your better side, the writer/mother/cook/country "

ROFL. The one that's not quite so feminazi?

Well Bear I can't help you with that one, do you have any neighbors with similar doors that are competent mechanically? You might ask them.

If you don't know what you are doing, my advice is don't.

And that is coming from me wearing my Safety Supervisor hat. Just ask yourself, is saving a few bucks worth a potential emergency room visit.

Brian called Allred an ambulance chaser? Funny, isn't that what people used to call John Edwards. Now, he's just a skirt chaser.

So true Elaine, glad you could figure that out.

"The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party. I hope -- in vain, probably -- that the Dems see what happened to the Republican Party when the Religious Right was perceived as controlling their Party. The Death of cooperation, moderation, civility and compromise."

John H -- I so agree with you. People keep saying this is a new progressive era. But the Democrats being elected through the South are conservative by comparison to most Democrats. And Obama has promised to be a conciliator.

"The new wing already exists. It includes the Centrists and Moderates. It already has enemies aka The Liberal Wing of the Party."
john hogue, like bowman sez it's not new, but you're right about the antagonizm of the more liberal wing which has done damage to the centrist wing. the party now is a lame bird that can barely get off the ground.
it needs both wings before it can soar again.

Likeability counts at this blog too, Renee. At least for the people here.

Yep
the new wing does already exist, It calls itself the DLC as I remember
All the bruising of the Clintons did was remind more people they belong to that wing.

Jack

The convention speeches would be more fun if they did them in the style of those Dean Martin celebrity roasts.

KGC,

It was fairly obvious that CM and Co. had an agenda to drum up controversy . Both "Baghdad Bob" MaCauliffe anf Debbie W-S was adamantly fighting back about going into that line of questioning; which even Chris found a little odd.

"I do not see the centerists and moderates as a new wing of the democratic party. I see them as the old core of the party which has been eviscerated"

Right on, it's time for Dems to start acting like Dems again, the iron is hot, time to strike!

Rezdog

The worst interview was the Ann Curry -President Carter
in which he told her she was full of it but she soldiered on with the MSNBC line of crap.

it's time for Dems to start acting like Dems again, the iron is hot, time to strike!

wasn't time for that during the FISA vote

Regarding garage doors: Professionals are best at that kind of thing. My brother-in-law tried for a few days to get his installed. My sister finally called 2 professionals and they had it up and running in an hour.

Corey
Half loaded, with a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other?
You do realize they don't even let these people eat fried food. That is what the real problem is for the Big Dawg, No cheeseburger and fries.

Jack

Thanks...found a quote for labor only since I have the parts still...

Well, my sister's neighbor used hire every thing done, because she wouldn't let her husband do any home improvement work.

Oh, the roast! Yeah! Bring on the funny! No fried food in Denver?

KGC,
I missed that one but DearWife had a good chuckle apparently.
Terry was really stressing the point that "If HRC had money woes, he'd be the first to get out in front on it." but he wasn't going anywhere with the questions about debts. He kept repeating that this event wasn't about HRC. I was even shocked because I like his attitude just not his candidate.

FYI: Here's the link to Tuesday's schedule:

http://www.demconvention.com/tuesday-schedule/

Nobody should write off the Clintons. If Obama loses this election, he's basically history. If he wins, he'd better do a really really good job, or he's basically history. Remember, I'm voting for Obama but do not see anthing as certain.

If he doesn't get a different act together after the convention, he will lose. He's got to ditch that machine because it's losing him votes.

When you dismiss Hillary supporters as whiners and old in the way, you are asking for trouble.

Can Obama Dems, The Media And The Left Blogs Get OverThe Clintons?
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 12:17:01 PM EST

John Harris pens an article titled Can Clintons Get Over It? I think the question is can Obama Dems, the Media and the Left Blogs get over it?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/26/13171/5785

I don't think Obama will be history if he loses. He is a gamechanger and a different approach.

I hope and pray that he will win, think it's marginally his to lose, but his future is bright no matter what.

Corey..... what?!!.... no fried food at the convention..... well in that case I'll have to have some fried chicken for supper tonight in sympathy for those poor souls......

Rez..... thanks for the schedule..... all those politicians.... and all of them "honorable"..... who knew.....

Yeah but KGC you've swigged so much Clinton-aid you're sweating it out already. Lord knows you sold your moral soul to the clintons when you started posting links about Obama, drug use, and gay sex.

Someone should forward this to that Clinton delegate that appeared in the McCain ad. I heard she later said in an interview that she did not think McCain supporting overturning Roe v. Wade:

"Apart from opposing a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, [McCain] is against most abortion rights and says he would favor overturning the Supreme Court decision affirming those rights."

And the platform the GOP will adopt is even more extreme:

"Conservatives succeeded in removing a line from a platform draft urging a reduction in abortions — underscoring their point that abortion should be eliminated."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_gop_platform

Jack: a lot of DLC types supported Obama this time.

I am hardly a liberal. (It took me months to post here once I discovered Craig's blog in an earlier incarnation, because I was so much to the right of most of the others!)

Jamie and I are fairly similar in outlook and approach to a lot of things.

Where would you place Jamie on the spectrum?

"Also there are just too many of the powerful who want the party to move on, namely Nancy, and Howard. "

Well that is a totally lousy endorsement.

Posted by: Jamie | August 26, 2008 2:47 PM

OMG, I have to admit that was totally my reaction as well re the endorsement...

Brian
all you care about is winning and you don't care how it happens and now it turns out you've backed a loser and you are lashing out ...
your candidate needs you in the real world

KGC

I agree it's more of the same. From all the gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair, and general whining, you would think the Obama group lost. It's almost as if they can't stand the idea that there are still Democrats in the world who don't think the sun rises and sets in Sen. Obama.

Maybe they should just machine gun the New York delegation and hope it helps their self centered, belly button lint gazing fixation.

Tom well that's just too bad, those are people who now hold the power in the party, and they are there because a MAJORITY in the party want them, two solid liberals, who saw the legacy of the Clintons triangulations, and just what it cost the party. It might have kept Bill in power, it did nothing for the party.

Hey Dex,

I heard Randi Rhodes on the air today and she was good. When you first brought her up - I had her confused with Stephanie Miller - who has far less substance and can be annoying.

But any liberal talk show host that has journalistic integrity and a desire to present the truth is at a severe disadvantage when going against the likes of Rush and Hannity.

I was listening to Rush today and that guy really knows how to slant the truth in a convincing way. To listen to him, America will fall off the face of the earth if Obama gets elected. Even though it is the Republicans that got us into the current mess.

And people wonder why Sturge and I discussed what we discussed this morning.

Backed a looser my ass, your candidate couldn't even take Iowa for god's sake. Remember Iowa? Remember Super Tuesday?

Ruth, Appreciate the heads up on donotcall.

Obama: Sounding Like Thomas and Scalia?

July 04, 2008 12:34 PM

The Supreme Court fired a shot last week that ricocheted into the political campaign when it struck down a Washington DC law that banned people from owning handguns. For the first time in history, the justices said the Constitution's 2nd Amendment protected an individual's right to keep and bear arms.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/07/obama-sounding.html

I did not know Scalia and Thomas were Democrats.

Brian
Just a little reminder that you were not supporting Obama during the Iowa caucuses..you were supporting the man who dissed his sick wife...the man who couldn't keep it in his pants .

I was thinking...

It is possible that McCain's push to attract HRC supporters will backfire? Can the Republicans actually help the Dems unify?

My thinking is that aggressive push - which is so transparent - might remind some of the Hillary supporters who the real enemy is. Especially after they have trashed her and her husband for the last 16 years - with attacks that make the 2008 primary look like an election for the student body in high school.

It is kinda like when family members are fighting. They could be going at it tooth and nail. But then an outsider steps in - and it drives the two back together.

We'll see...

"When Bill Clinton was tarred and feather by Team BHO and the MSM because they propelled his SC remarks as racist," **"should have been a wake-up call to all HRC supporters that the fix was in for BHO"."** FryDaddy | 2:37 PM

It was a wake-up call Fry. That's when I first understood, for sure, what was going on. But I kept thinking they could overcome it. By the time they figured out how, it was too late.
...........................

"For those of you who believe that the Hillary Clinton Uprising is a fairy tale concocted by a press in search of convention controversy, think again.

"Hillary Clinton's seductive charms lay heavy over Denver. Defiant supporters can be seen citywide, sporting Hillary pins and T-shirts in direct defiance of Unity."

"Most observers say Biden is the "safe" pick. Maybe. But there is one thing for certain: Picking Biden over Clinton helps a presidential candidate. And that candidate is not here in Denver."
"
http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi

Brian, I understand where you are coming from. I just don't respect Dean or Pelosi. I would have had they remained neutral until the process was done, but they were using their power to build up Obama and tear down Clinton and I didn't think that was correct from two of the highest party leaders. Had they worked hard equally for both candidates I think a lot of the bruised feelings would not exist.

Warren, it is good to see you on the blog again.

I don't know why the delicate Obama and his surrogates think it is encumbered upon Hillary to bring in her supporters. Why the hell should she? He's the nominee-he's "The One." Perhaps at BO's supercilious best he can restate that, "a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama." I haven't seen the light.

Although I am supporting McCain I am voting for the safety of divided government.

PUMA
toast

I think Bear's friend is scheduled to be on C-SPAN in a few minutes. Didn't he say 3:30 mountain time?

"But then an outsider steps in - and it drives the two back together."

Interesting analogy Warren.
I've had to "try" and separate many feuding couples back in the bar days and damn if I didn't get cussed and threatened most of the time. lol If it was both men, forget it. I had a bouncher and the cops on speed dial.

BTW,

MO and HRC were at an Emily's List breakfast together this morning. Getting along just fine thank you.

Not to worry, Tweety will find something to complain about.

KGC i know you and some of the others borg think bringing up Edwards is suppose to be some of kind of wound for me, nothing could be further from the truth. When he dropped out my loyalties transferred completely, my only feelings about the Edwards matter is just how hard this must be for his wife. Unlike you I don't over personalize my candidates, unlike you I don't feel supporting my candidate justifies crawling in the mud. The day you posted that link to that story you showed yourself for the low life you really are.

Milque, respectfully I disagree. There are so many problems in our country right now and the last thing we need is gridlock. The Dems, IMHO, offer the best solutions (of the two major parties) to these problems. Don't forget that even if the Dems hold the Senate, House and Presidency, they will still have major difficulties due to the variants of the various Congressional members, from ultra liberal to ultra conservative and every stripe in-between. I'd rather they have full reign and, if I were "king", I'd like to see an activist government in the model of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's "New Deal", Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey's "Great Society" (not to mention the Humphrey-Hawkins Act.

hey warren, good to see you.

ET both Dean and Polisi know who's covering their backs, there is no such thing as neutrality in partisan politics.

Brian
No one personalizes more than you.

I'm sorry I ever engaged you.

MO and HRC were at an Emily's List breakfast together this morning. Getting along just fine thank you.

Posted by: Jamie | August 26, 2008 5:24 PM

And that is very good news. Perhaps the message of these two women should be by their example that "unity" is more than just a buzz word, but a goal and ideal of the Democratic Party. At some point have to see beyond our hurt and really analyze who is best to lead our country in the next 4 years. I sure can't see McCain coming in the preferred slot. Hey, it is a pity that Obama skipped over Hillary, but what is done is done. There's more important issues and problems ahead and I follow Hillary's call for unity and support of Barack Obama. I am not going to allow myself to be so angry that I will support the other major party. To me, that runs against my own values, needs and well-being.

ET both Dean and Polisi know who's covering their backs, there is no such thing as neutrality in partisan politics.

Posted by: BrianInNYC | August 26, 2008 5:28 PM

Hi Brian... Can you illuminate a bit on this?

Pogo, Looks like you're not around today, but this reminded me of what you were talking about yesterday.

Please, Democrats, Attack
By Paul Begala
"If the Democrats do not spend the remaining days of their convention -- hell, the remaining days of the campaign -- in an all-out assault on the ruinous Bush-McCain policies, they will lose."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/please_democrats_attack.html

"I'm sorry I ever engaged you."

You and me both!

I miss Sturge.

Milque:

You divided government theory may make some sense for domestic policy - but it does not hold much water with respect foreign policy.

That is the area that the President has the most control over. And if you think Congress will act as a check after McCain turns up his hawkish rhetoric to Iran and Russia - I believe you will be proven wrong.

McCain is the perfect candidate to stir up tensions to such a degree that Congress will be forced to act - or there will be no need because one of our enemies will strike us or one of our allies.

We need a smart President. Our millitary is strong enough and we do not need some blowhard or hot head in the White House to try to overcompensate with his mouth.

Emily's list afternoon gala

http://emilyslist.org/candidates/gala_stream/

ET Pelosi and Dean, especially Dean are where they are because they are the heads of the anti-Clinton wing of the party. I wrote about his on the BackChannel a while ago, I really feel that the beginning of the end of Hillary's White House ambition started when Dean was elected chairman.

http://clistersbackchannel.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/the-dean-obama-party-how-we-got-here/

"I think the question is can Obama Dems, the Media and the Left Blogs get over it?"
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/clinton-swan-song-or-birth-of.html#comment-133840

Katherine, If you ever figure out what that's all about, could you please clue me in too?

Brian

" I don't feel supporting my candidate justifies crawling in the mud. "

Your ability to totally forget any loathsome thing that you have ever said or done never ceases to amaze me. You must have God giving absolution on speed dial.

fwiw---(CSpan)

Our friend David Gipp just got to the dais. Hope he doesn't get stage fright! lol

BTW Carol. . I think he gave up yard work years ago :)

David Gipp on now

Milque:

It also totally falls apart in terms of the S. Ct. If the GOP is able to replace a liberal Justice with a conservative one - the balance will be lost and the conservatives will control a very powerful branch of government.

"with the door in the upright position the springs should be released".........

i thought he was talking about the convention!!!!!

i gotta pay more attention, and try not to read so fast

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

The post convention bounce better be ENORMOUS

Obama Lawsuit -- "Hidden Past"
=======================
Obama Citizenship Lawsuit Info Sheet

"Obama Campaign claims that the lawsuit has been dismissed are false. The lawsuit is proceding through the federal courts.

Obama's eligibility must be resolved immediately. If Obama's citizenship isn't resolved now, the Republicans will use it for an October surprise. If Obama doesn't meet the constitutional requirements, we need to know it now so the Democrats can nominate a candidate who is eligible and can win in November - before it is too late to do any good."

http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/8-obama-citizenship-lawsuit-info-sheet

Warren..if you listen to horrible Randi Rhodes more you will discover:

1. She is crude
2. She is often dismissive of her callers
3. She often usws slurred speech on mike
4. She is vulgar
5. She has championed 911 conspiracy theories on the air
6 She is talk radio at its worst
7. She used to fawn over Hillary Clinton until Hillary did not reappear on her show.

Jamie I have never slandered a candidate with anything that wasn't truthful, I never invoked racism and homophobia to further the cause of any candidate I supported. Think of me what you want, but you can't point to any post of mine that was slanderous.

Randi Rhodes had 2 offices at Air America. I saw 'em in person. Very impressive.

I think maybe she means what you say towards other bloggers here, Brian.

The bounce won't be big at all. The Dems better pull it together and get ready for a tough fight.

Anyways, I like the polls being close or even having Obama slightly behind.

America loves an underdog.

And he is the underdog. And yes it is because he is black. And also because he is not a Washington insider. And finally because he is a Democrat - and the Democratic party is not as loyal as the Republicans. (Which might actually be a good thing in theory - but not good in terms of winning elections...)

The goods news is that the GOP also usually out-organizes the Dems - but Obama has show great skill in this area.

Posted by: BrianInNYC Author Profile Page | August 26, 2008 5:44 PM

You don't remember what you have posted.

Rasmussen is tied today..With McCain's 2 pt. Gallup lead, it might be wise for ALL Obama supporters to show a little respect for the Clintonsand their supporters.

Gallup: 80% Demo.favor rating for Hillary
75% want her to run for President again.

The Clintons and their army are not going away.

Warren, is Biden a Washignton outsider?

OD:

I listen to talk shows more to get a sense of what people are saying out there - including Rush, Glen Beck, etc.

Plus - I am probably guilty of the first 4 things you listed...

Warren, is Biden a Washington outsider?

"but you can't point to any post of mine that was slanderous. "

I thought you did fairly well in that department with "incontinent, basement dwelling, ancient, racist hag" but you may have been loaded that night and are suffering from blackouts.

Corey

The question is, outside of what?
Jack

But, not to the candidates, Jamie.

Corey

He got off some equally foul descriptions of Clinton.

I never said that about a candidate Jamie. And that was an insult, not a slander.

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Hell I even defended Rudy when the mindless clucks around here were accusing him of being corrupt because he had a city car driving his then mistress around.

That's the thing, Jack. Obama's appeal was that he is a Washington outsider. Biden has been there for 35 years. Not in keeping with Obama's outsider appeal. I'm just saying that doesn't totally apply right now.

I thought Senator Clinton was a candidate.

It's okay to insult people, just don't defame them.

Jamie you do understand the difference between opinion and slander, yes?

"communication or a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual"

So you think the statement made about me was factual?