Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Good Afternoon. Let the battles begin. :-)

A name has surfaced in the McCain search for a VP. He is a retired Army General and he is Black.

Now that the fun is over in Beijing, let the Denver 2008 Nerd Olympics begin!

Dog eyes view,
Next time you make false accusations against me, use your own name. And please get over your obsession with me.

Craig, you have a bunch of people who've not ever been elected to anything trying to shove a United States Senator and a President of the United States around.

It ain't gonna happen.

Quite, simply, substantial elected people hold their non-elected script minders in disdain. If it was me, I would tell them to shove it, I'll say what I want to say on your dais or mine.

Rocky Mountain Meltdown!

Most excellent. This will be a great example to the country of how well the democrats can close ranks and do what is best for the country. If they cannot, they do not deserve to govern, particularly when they have demonstrated how to be completely ineffective once they gained a majority in congress.

Well, it sounds like the DNC is going to treat all non-follows of BO like the Chinese treated the media & potential protesters during the Olympics.

Why is the DNC so afraid of FREE SPEECH!?!

Oh, yeah. We're having company so everything needs to look picture perfect even though it isn't.

From BHO's own words;
"Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think, Beijing looks like a pretty good option."

Obama praising the port systems of China, but who runs these port system, what master of the universe. Dubai Ports World!

Jack- who in your opinion would have been better to feature than Kennedy to rope in the western and heartland voters?

Fry: I doubt Colin Powell is interested in being McCain's VP, or that Alma would support the bid. Who floated Powell's name?

Are you speaking of General Honore, the great guy who worked in New Orleans after Katrina? The Don't Get Stuck on Stupid Guy....

Bowmanc--Truer words have never been spoken.

It was such a relief when Gen. Honore arrived on that terrible scene, that one takes no prisoners.

speaking of china, what was that list of curses?
may the dnc live in interesting times?
may the dnc get the nominee it wants?

"This will be a great example to the country of how well the democrats can close ranks and do what is best for the country."

Bow,
You won't find much disagreement with that sentiment around here. We're all Independents. LOL

Craig: I think you are right and this is a Pandora's Box that a wiser person would not have let get opened. Or someone who was genuinely concerned about uniting the party in the face of McCain doing well with his negative attacks.

Hillary might burn Obama with this, but she is going to get badly burned too.

Too much drama.

Will Rogers once said, I don't belong to a political party: I'm a Democrat! Still true today. Thank goodness!

From the lips of BHO's to your ears:

"We've got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies that they can't charge spew other countries with impunity. Of course, it helps if we are leading by example on that front."

BHO, O enlighten-one, please direct me to your base of knowledege where I can find the following answers to your accusations that we (USA) are no better than Russia:

1. Did the Russians go to the United Nations?
2. Are the Georgians in violation of 17 UN resolutions?
3. Did the Russians seek allies at the United Nations for this invasion?

Flatus,

You have a Senator and a Former President outwardly snubbing the people that gave them this power that has clearly gotten to level of addiction that make Rush Limbaugh jealous.

The Clinton's are upset that they had to work to get elected instead of receiving a coronation. Their laziness in this campaign wasn't rewarded and they are choosing to poison the well for the person who deigned to challenge them and had the nerve to win.

The irony is that many Clinton supporters have stated that the Democratic party is too big and I think they want to assure martyrdom for Hillary by creating a party schism akin to the 95 Theses.

Hillary Clinton basically ran as McCain light when it became Obama was for real and while it may have played well to the general crowd, as Ned Lamont proved, it's death with an agitated party base.

She thinks it will be a ticket to the White House but if they insist upon this course of action, I will take a figurative crap in a box and send it to them along with any Bill Clinton memorabilia that I have and I would contribute to any cause that seeks to keep her from the White House.

At one point, Hillary needs to realize that she lost a race to an intern, a butt ugly skank with braces and a whorish lounge singer...she has unfavorable ratings at or just under 50% and she thought she could run a half assed campaign to be president???

F#$@ no...

They go scorched earth that I'm sure someone will start selling "Ken Starr was right after all" tee shirts...

Boy! Ann Lewis is in full tilt Hillary spin mode.

Do you seriously think Hillary would be doing any better?

She would be at this stage, still almost broke, and Rush and that set were salivating at running against her. And you would not have the influx of young voters and not previously enthused people. Not a party builder.

Be careful what you wish for.

The one difference: I don't see Obama's supporters behaving like spoiled brats. They'd take a longer view AND he is smart enough to tamp any of this PUMA like stuff down if it got started.

dog,
"I doubt Colin Powell is interested in being McCain's VP"

First off that would be Gen. Colin Powell to you. Second why do you think the General would not want to be McCains VP. Both military guys, both served in Nam.

Come on dog the only reason BHO picked Biden is to pick-off some white guy votes.

Biden BTW has been in DC longer than McCain. I know it is being spun Biden is not a DC insider because he takes the train home every night. LMAO

Dog

What in bejeesus do the Obamabots want Hillary to do. In just the past month she has been in five states speaking on his behalf, when Biden was named VP she immediately issued an email congratulating him and support the ticket. She is releasing all of her delegates before the roll call. What is she supposed to do crawl over hot coals to genuflect?

I'm really starting to think that it is the Obama team that wants the drama and are still feeding their trained media the constant whine.

FD

General Powell is in his 70s. The Republicans will have enough of the "age" factor to deal with in McCain. Second, he has not endorsed either candidate, saying it will depend on the VP selection.

Honore would be a great choice and tempting to many moderate voters.

Bear--You miss my point completely; they could care less about becoming anything at this point. It's become personal.

Oh, I'm sure the "big time TV" folks are figuring out more ways to keep trashing the Clintons, Rez. The race has become so boring they have to come up with something.-Patsi

"And wouldn't you know, it's all about the Clintons."--CC

Craig, Now cut that shit out!

jamie,

"What in bejeesus do the Obamabots want Hillary to do."

You have got to be kidding, what they want Hillary to do? They want her to place the crown on the enlighten-one's head.

"I don't see Obama's supporters behaving like spoiled brats."

No, the ones here generally act like a-holes. But what do I know, dog has pronounced Hillary supporters morally lacking.

And trust me, Bye Bye, when I have anything to say to you I'll use my own name. I knew it wouldn't be long before you'd be attacking Jason.

jamie,

Just because you are 71 doesn't mean your dead. Now maybe you are at 63, but not the General. Oh BTW how old will HRC be in 2016?

You know, making it a little stronger, it's at the point where the DNC won't be happy unless they go to center stage and self-immolate while the Democratic Chorus sings 'What a wonderful day for an auto de fe'.

Damn, Just heard a new one. I got a bunch of research today

PUMAs, Clinton Repugs, McCain Dems, now McCain Lights. lol

Obama will probably lose the election for a variety of reasons.

One of the major reasons is that many of his supporters have taken his lead and have shown great disrespect to the Clintons and the history of the Democratic Party.

I have been involved in every Democratic campaign since I was a child and this is the only year where so much abuse has come from supporters of another party candidate.

For Obama to win, despite these supporters, McCain must implode...which could happen

Craig

It looks like the Obama Folks have lost total control of their message., talk about chaos.
Jeez, if they really want to destroy Clinton let him right his speech and give it. It will be like 88, when he said "in conclusion" he got a standing ovation. Only shrub could make Clinton look like a dynamic speaker.

Jack

It was stolen !!!
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We Will Not Be Silenced”

"Senator Clinton, by all accounts, except caucuses, won the Primary Election and, therefore, should be the 2008 Democratic Nominee. That didn’t happen, due largely to illegitimate and illegal acts. We have interviews of many accounts from caucus states recounting threats, intimidation, lies, stolen documents, falsified documents, busing in voters in exchange for paying for “dinners,” etc. There are at least 2000 complaints, in Texas alone, of irregularities directed towards the Obama Campaign, that have lead to a very fractured and broken Democratic Party."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/23/we-will-not-be-silenced/

Field Marshall Fry: here's why about General Colin Powell:

he is a soldier and a Republican, and might even like and admire John McCain. They are in agreement on torture being a terrible policy.

General Powell saw Bush and Cheney ruin his good name by sticking him with that dog of a UN presentation and ignoring virtually all of his advice.

Mrs. General Powell was disinclined to support a presidential bid in 1996 and I cannot imagine General Powell will want to add lustre to his reputation as VP on a ticket trying to take down the first black Democratic nominee in what's going to be a brutal and ugly campaign.

Many of Obama's positions General Powell agrees with, and has said so previously.

Mentioning General Powell as VP possibility might keep him quiet in the runup to the GOP convention, as a courtesy.

I think it's 50/50 that he supports Obama or does not endorse at all (which is a big problem for McCain).

General Powell saw what happened to Admiral Fallon in going up against the neocon Iranian War team.

McCain's foreign policy advisors are primarily neocons and McCain has shown enthusiasm for bombing Iran.

General Powell wanting to be associated with this ticket?

I don't think so, but who knows....

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General Powell as VP for McCain 2000? Now that would be a dream ticket for many. But 2000 is past and McCain has had to make too many compromises

Bear, your entire post presumes that the media knows ANYTHING about what is going on with the Clintons. If the wish of the media and some of the malcontents like Tom Daschle is to destroy the Democratic party, the first and best way is to praise Ronald Reagan and damn Bill Clinton.

You all must be so proud. Not to mention morally fit.

Yeah Bye_Bye I can second that. Never knew Patsi to use an anonymous nic to let you know what is on her mind.

FD

Nothing wrong with being in his 70s. It is that both candates would be in their 70s and part of the resistance to McCain is his age and the feeling that he needs a younger VP to offset that viewpoint.

Hillary would be in her 70s in 2016 which is why so many saw the Clinton/Obama combination as a natural to give the Democrats 16 years in the WH. Now that is in doubt with Biden as VP unless there is another up and comer in the wings.

I just took my little chinese brain test. The body might be 64, but the brain is 32.... so there.

"Mrs. General Powell "

You've never met Alma.

dog,

1. You are scared.
2. You are living in the past. What you have over looked is the General is a patriot. If asked to serve, the general will serve.

I know her name, Flatus and know about her. That was a tease for FM Fry.

Jamie,

Same test, results 28. So there!!!

whoa..... and just when I was wondering if my summer long boredom with politics was going to continue into the fall...... I guess not..... lol.....

Pogo & Chloe.... to continue from the last thread.... I ran into the person who took over my election job last weekend and we had an interesting conversation about the presidential primary ....... in NH, an independent (actually it's "undeclared") can request either party's ballot and then must return to a group of election officials to sign a paper in order to go back to being independent.....
but there's always a handful of people (4-5) that have already been registered in a party that request to becoming undeclared after they've voted.... she told me they got almost 100 people who did that this last primary and that the bulk of them were Republicans......
I took that as a sign that it's not just Democrats who are fed up with party politics.....

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/08/anatomy-of-a-subplot.html#comment-132947

Okay Flatus, that was funny. Cruel but very funny.

More lyrics please. Savanarola could use the good press.

Colin Powell has no business holding any public office.

His disgraceful, immoral presentation to the United Nations regarding Iraq was one of the most shameful moments in modern American history.

dog,

Now that is a real sign of conviction. Could you be anymore spaghetti like?

"General Powell wanting to be associated with this ticket?
I don't think so, but who knows...."

It is no wonder your in the BHO camp.

Frydaddy,

Colin Powell may be General to you, but the way Bush and the Neocons treated him, they called him only Boy.

McCain could never stand on the same stage as Powell because too many people would be reminded that had the administration let him plan the war in Iraq, the US would be eating Filet Mignon instead of shit sandwich on the world stage.

Patsi,

Their is a certain myopia that exists within the hard cores of any candidate. Any hard core Obama candidate, no matter how slighted they felt, would ultimately vote for whomever the nominee is.

I hear Clinton people talking about voting irregularities in Texas...people are complaining because Obama took the time to learn the specific system of deciding delegates and used it to his advantage.

Obama isn't responsible for the Clinton campaign ignoring the caucuses. He isn't responsible that they failed to plan for anything beyond Feb. 5th. At some point that campaign needs to accept responsibility for running a crappy race. During the Olympics, there was a heavily favored American Boxer who lost because he ran the last minute, thinking he was winning the fight when he was in fact trailing. That was a perfect example of how the Clinton's ran this primary season.

Isn't it very strange that Obama seems to have lost total control over the process. In stead of getting stronger and more in comand he is looking more and more like past Democratic losers. He has got to pull a rabbit out of the hat thursday. That Day should be a day of celebration not a must win performance.

Jack

you know, Fry, that's the tragedy.

General Powell is a patriot and a wise man, and Bush-Cheney did not serve him well.

To this day, he seems to be one of the few who regrets his part in the Iraq War runup and feels shame at belonging to that administration.

Please see OD's post, above.

Powell should have resigned rather than given the UN presentation, and would likely do that if he got a second chance.

I suspect he stayed with that awful crew in hopes of mitigating the disaster he saw coming.

OD,

Well I am sure your military record, or your service to this country is more impressive.

What did you do in the war daddy? I shoveled shit in Louisiana.

Fry: Not wishy washy. I don't see myself as an oracle. Unlike others here.

Read Craig's older posts more closely. Not a lot of strong predictions in most of them. (The trained lawyer at work.)

KGC,

For all the history speak here today. (don't take that personally :)) I know you strongly supported Gene in 68. Not that this is an apple to apple comparison, but after he lost to HH , did you support Hubert and if so, when he lost to Nixon what was the one biggest factor to you, for that loss.

Craig, Here's a Sports metaphor:

The Houston Oilers in their hey-day had an offensive concept that was supposed to revolutionize NFL football's winning strategy -- the "Run-&-Shoot" or Shoot & Run, whatever. Led by now-Hall-of-Fame quarterback, Warren Moon, they rolled up the yards and points, but rarely won an important game against a Team with a solid, hit-you-in-the-mouth defense. Close but no cigar, Houston never won the Big One!

Someone more astute than me can reek havoc with this metaphor in terms of the presidential campaign stuggles of the Republicans & Democrats, Obama McCain, Good & Evil, . . . .

Jamie and Fry...

Same test; results 26. So there!

Jamie, it was from Candide. I remember it from the text, but I think there was something in the stage version...too many years. But, it is a fine line--and, every couple of decades, appropriate.

For you older folk...

Who were the players in 68 convention?

Was it basically Humphrey and McCarthy? Where did the Kennedy supporters go?

Bear

Your posts are an excellent example of why the Democratic party is looking like a disaster area.
HRC has said everything that needed to be said, she has actively campaigned for Obama , even knowing that she would not be the VP. After all that, going beyond what any other losing candidate has ever been expected to do, what do we get? It is Clinton's fault.

lol
Clinton is no longer in control, the Obama Campaign and the DNC have made this very clear. They are driving the bus, I think it is time to quit yelling out the window at the Clinton supporters and realize the bus you took control of is going over the cliff.

Jack

From Roger Simon's Relentless article in the Politico...

"It was a campaign that had many people who were knowledgeable about media and messaging but who never
got the math, those tricky little rules that led one candidate to victory and the other to defeat. “Ninety-five percent
of the campaign staff didn’t know the rules,” a top Clinton aide told me. And the 5 percent who did felt nobody
ever listened to them."

Wow...

Bowman: Rocky Mountain Meltdown!

Most excellent. This will be a great example to the country of how well the democrats can close ranks and do what is best for the country. If they cannot, they do not deserve to govern, particularly when they have demonstrated how to be completely ineffective once they gained a majority in congress.

Bowman: I have never seen anybody try to pull out a nomination as late as Hillary Clinton did, or allow so much drama in the runup to the convention. She was trying way too late in the process to paint his slight victory as illegitimate.

To turn Jamie's question on its head, I don't know what else Obama could do to get her to stop it. Rewarding such behavior with VP would have messaged everyone: strongarm me and I'm a wimp.

Hillary created and rode a lot of this drama to this point.

I think she and Bill are almost daring Obama and others to hurdle them and leave them in the past.

That did not have to happen.

"this is the only year where so much abuse has come from supporters of another party candidate"

od, better not say that to jimmy.... or to hhh, if he were still alive.

dog,

You are such a BHO gobber. LOL
And that explains your pledge to vote for BHO. Although I do recall you were once a John Edwards fan before he dropped out. I am sure you would agree Edwards dropping out was a wise decision. How many losers are you going to back? You know and everyone knows if the MSM did their job, and reported BHO's unfavorable news, BHO would be back in the halls of Congress doing what he does best...NOTHING. The Wizard of OZ needs to remain behind the closed curtains.

FryDaddy..Have a nice day.

harborwoman,

You must be some sort of astronaut to get that score.

Jack and Jamie: No, Hillary has not done everything she could. Not at all. That is your view, but not Bear's and not mine and not a lot of people's.

If she had, wouldn't the story be: poor Hillary. She is working her heart out for this ticket and look what her disgruntled supporters are doing?

In the rollcall deliberations, she could have said at the outset: I want my supporters heard and I am going to release my delegates to Obama, unconditionally, the first moment I can because it's more important that this be about him winning than about me. I have a bright future and we need to make sure that all of us do. She could have said that in June.

None of that occurred or is occurring. Please don't ask us to believe something as improbable as your or Jamie's take on this.

President Gore is dubious too.

HHH is a great hero of mine..

OD,

I always do.

Off to work..Enjoy

Hey dog,

Question for you. Since BHO with the help of the MSM and the PC DNC stole the election, when do you foresee the next time a female from the D party being nominated for POTUS? My answer. If BHO is not elected then 2012 lloks good, but should he find more gobbers like you, then the answer is, not ever in your life time.

"lloks" passes for "looks" in the public school system.

I may be one of the few Trail-Mix bloggers who can definitively say where the Kennedy's were in the '68 HH-McCarthy contest. The Kennedy's have consistently been Liberal and anti-War. President Johnson had announced early that he would not run or consider re-election. Humprey was his VP and heir apparent. Robert Kennedy was also a candidate but was assasinated in California. RFK's supporters went to McCarthy and, together they lost to HH in a disastrous, although not closely contested, Chicago Convention. What I've always believed, as a Democrat, that in spite of the un-popular Viet Nam War, HH barely lost to Nixon only because another liberal, John Anderson, runnings as a third-party candidate got 5% of the Vote.

At least that's the way I think I remember it!

Another sports metaphor, this time, Golf:
Drive for Show, Put for Dough!

Run with it!

Yes, fry, I am an astronaut...lol!

Why doesn't Nancy P know this? That natural gas and fossil fuels are one and the same. Wonder where she thinks natural gas comes from?

Dog
Point to somebody in her situation that has done more.

Jack

Fry

Beans and cabbage

Jack

Flatulence?

He didn't steal the election Fry.

I don't know about a female candidate; I know a GOP friend also working for Obama on the SC primary said she worried that if Hillary ran and failed, she was going to screw it up for women for a long time.

I didn't think that was credible when I heard it. Now I look at the terrible feelings and inter-party dissension and remember how long it took the Democrats to get past the 1968 Chicago convention disorder.

People are going to remember the PUMAs for a long time. Most of them, not favorably and many derisively.

PUMA

Pulling up McCain's Ass

Jack

point to someone who had to

"The Kennedy's have consistently been Liberal and anti-War. "

JFK must have have missed a couple of those bullet points.

Jack,

Butter, beans and bullets.

FD

Whisky...

Perhaps Craig's post was meant to jab a sharp stick into his pet beehive, but if the media is reporting it, they are either reporting facts or are looking to create a story.

Yes I know HRC is campaigning for Obama, but when last week she referred to him as her opponent, that set of alarm bells. If you were a fan of the West Wing, you should remember an episode where the POTUS was unable to hang an 18th century world map because it didn't recognize Israel...a country that wouldn't be founded for a couple hundred years...that made no sense either.

I need to eat something before I pass out...

dog,

"He didn't steal the election"

You are right he didn't steal the election, well not by himself anyways. No BHO had the MSM and, Team BHO, and the PC DNC that helped him. dog trust me I would never give the enlighten-one that much credit to engineer a such a blatant day-light robbery.

"Pulling up McCain's Ass"

Hey dog, is that's yours. lol Comes up clean on a google search.

If I lived in Denver, I'd have my screen printer fired up and make a few extra bucks. In the olden days, that is.

Yo, what test? I wanna play... and I will beat you all. Link please.

Correction that would be,
Bullets, butter and beans.

FD,
Are you talking about Lima beans?

Biden son, Hunter, is a Hedge fund type of person with a salary of over $1,000,000. Hunter is a Lobbyist.
A LOBBYIST???? JOE BIDEN's son????

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a6QrVqdTZKv4&refer=home

Bubba Frydaddy;
Yes, JFK was a Liberal. He happened to be a Liberal that had credible military and public service = Patriotism and National Security. Bobby didn't, Ted didn't. All Liberals.

Do you really want to fry that egg, G?

Rez: think I saw that on balloon-juice.com

Will double check the precise wording, but it does fit on a T shirt, doesn't it?

It is a grunt thing Rezdog.

Well I was pointing out the anti-war thing. Seems like I remember there was this Bay of Pig issue, and the Cuban blockade, when the US was within a hairs breath of going nuclear with the USSR. Also JFK was a big tax cutter, maybe because old Joe Kennedy was a big business person. Also the word Liberal keeps changing in it's defintion.

dog, hrc is a piker compared to teddy's in conventions passed. here's some of the delegate rangling at the 68 demcon: "Mayor Daley, who wanted Ted Kennedy to run for President, caucused his delegation of 118 the weekend before the convention and decided to remain "uncommitted." ....Humphrey faced a major credentials fights. Delegations from 15 states tried to unseat Humphrey's delegates and seat anti-Vietnman delegates. Humphrey's forces won every fight. There also was manuevering behind the scenes at the Conrad Hilton (where the press and the Democratic party were staying) to try and get Sen. Ted Kennedy to run." http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml

Oh yeah how the hell could I forgot this about JFK. VIETNAM. Another place where I spent some time. JFK was far from being anti-war.

New CNN Poll says Presidential Race is a dead heat. Why is this bad news for the Obama Nation? (1) It's tied at 47% - 47%; McCain has never been this high in any poll thus far. (2) While there's no accounting in the Poll for the so-called "Bradley Effect", the probability is that if there is one, it puts Obama behind.

Polls, Polls, Polls. After the Convention we will see a switchover from these generic Registered Voters polls to the slightly more accurate Likely Voters polls and State-to-State polls. Let's see what is happening then.

Rez: it's

PUMA = Propping Up McCain's Ass

balloon-juice.com

Pat: is the 1968 convention you would like to see emulated? And the 1968 election results?

Fry, When we were offloading ships, we had four priorities. Booze, beans, band-aids, and bullets.

more on teddy's convention activities and party unity:

"The 1980 convention was notable, as it was the last time in the 20th century, for either major party, that a candidate tried to get delegates released from their voting commitments. This was done by Massachuetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Carter's chief rival for the nomination in the Democratic primaries, who sought the votes of delegates held by Carter."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Democratic_National_Convention

dog,

That's a great site. I don't know if you caught it in the comments of an earlier thread, but it gave me a chuckle.

inre: Biden on Ghoul

A noun, a verb and POW

I have four color press in the garage and a flash dryer (no belt dryer anymore). I could make a couple dollars on the side with a timely message in the right locale. Fast, when I young and full of it. lol

Don't remember if we voted in '68. We were in Korea--the year of the Pueblo. If we did, it was for Humphrey. I know I didn't vote in '72--no confidence.

Frydaddy:
Touché! on the Viet Nam War remembrance. You were there? You will no doubt remember that it was supposed to be a policing action under JFK and was escalated to war status with Johnson. And the Bay of Pigs: that was'nt supposed to be a War, was it? We tried not to even get credit for it. It was more like, "That damned CIA . . ." And the Cuban Missile Crisis: Do you think he had a choice? Allowing Russian Missiles 90 Miles from the US Homeland? He would have been impeached. Kruschev had embarassed and out-smarted the Rookie President at every turn, except that one.

JFK was a Liberal from the aristocracy mantra of responsibility, "From those to whom much Is Given . . . ." It is the Kennedy Family Mantra. Public Service is their obligation and reward. Bless their example and hope more wealthy families follow it.

The One Big difference between JFK and his siblings is that he has military experience and had spent time defending a Nation. He achieved Presidency; they did not.

Rez: wish you could virtually send your printing equipment to dnd and he could make up some items...

that is funny re Biden comment

no dog, these posts are not to promote the same results of '68 and '80. but to remember that some of the same people were responsible for those losses and are playing a big part in this coming debacle.

Dog

I'll second on the Teddy run for Prez. "The Dream Shall Never Die" speech as great as it is was at the end of a tooth and nail campaign that tore the party end to end.

Compared to Ted, Hillary is practically a member of the Obama fan club.

I always thought PUMA meant something totally different.

BTW dog you know I am right. he-he-he

Question: When they vet someone to run for office don't they also look into family members just to make sure they are at least living the life style as you have been preaching? Anti lobbyist Joe Biden', his son is a Lobbyist. You mean to tell me BHO couldn't have picked another white guy who's son wasn't an evil lobbyist? And a lobbyist for the even eviler, if there is such a word, drug company's.

A noun, a verb and RAISED BY A SINGLE, WHITE MOTHER*

*on food stamps

HHH is a great hero of mine..

Posted by: Oregon Democrat | August 25, 2008 2:06 PM

Mine as well. When I was VERY young, 12 years old maybe or 14, I can't remember... I read Hubert Humphrey's autobiography: "The Education of a Public Man: My Life and Politics". He spoke passionately of the need for higher education and I took it to heart. Even though I came from a lower middle class family that was not highly educated, I was determined to go to college and get a degree. It took longer than I planned, but Humphrey's book planted the hope of education for someone like me and I am forever grateful.

The last great program that I remember Hubert Humphrey introducing was the Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act which was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 27, 1978.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey-Hawkins_Full_Employment_Act

I was so proud of Hubert Humphrey and admire he as much today as I did as a kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Humphrey

When he died on January 13, 1978, I stood outside the St. Paul State Capitol with my sister simply to have the opportunity to show my respect and walk in the rotunda and see his flag draped coffin. It was a bitterly cold January night in the Twin Cities and I remember, to this day, that I was wearing stupid vinyl dress shoes and when I wasn't almost falling over on ice, my toes were almost without feeling. Not the best choice of foot attire, but I remain so proud to have been there.

Yo, Frydaddy;
If you're going to roll that far back, wasn't there a Democratic nominee whose VP-candidate selection resigned? Muskie, Eagleburger??? Not Siro T, who resigned while in the Office.

If then, why not Biden now, when the ticket sinks in the Polls? Can a VP candidate resign after nomination? Can a nominated Presidential Candidate?

"I was so proud of Hubert Humphrey and admire he as much today as I did as a kid."
et, me too. it's always galled me that jfk is given sole credit for what was hhh's original idea, the peace corps.

Does anyone remember the 1980 election results?

The Dream Shall Never Die. (and it is poignant that Teddy Kennedy returns for one last convention this week)

Now.

Does anyone remember how long it was until a Democrat was elected after that (and then only because of a third party candidate)?

This is history you would like to repeat?

I think Obama is going to win. I think it will be a rough campaign, but that he will win. I think it will be closer than it should be, given 8 years of Bush-Cheney, but I think Obama-Biden is a stronger horse for the general.

In all honesty, I did not foresee this drama still going on this late in the cycle, but what doesn't kill you...

"did you support Hubert and if so, when he lost to Nixon what was the one biggest factor to you, for that loss."

Rez, for me, 1968 had zero to do with Hubert and Gene. It had everything to do with the criminal conduct of the police in Chicago and the Democrats, led by the Chicago machine, condoning it.

You aren't old enough to remember 1968, the tone and temper of the time. For me it came down to this:

Democrats: criminals in power
Republicans: criminals wanting power

American power structure: equally unacceptable

I was very mistrustful of what Hubert Humphrey might do, wrote in Barry Commoner and make no apologies for it.

JH,

I liked JFK and thought he was ok. Going into Nam, yes I was there, was a good idea, however we should have looked at the French experience a bit closer.

Bay of Pigs, was it a war? That depends on who and where you were. When the the other side side starts lobbing in rockets, bombs, bullets, and your on the beach waiting for your backup who forgot to get the word to show up, or was ordered away you may not call that a war, you may call that a massive cluster "F".

The Cuban blockade the best thing JFK ever did. Glad Uncle Nikita back down, as JFK was ready to launch. JFK had a set of balls and wasn't a bit bashful about using them. BHO is no, not even close, JFK!

Flatus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrOXId1y5g&feature=related

patd: thanks re 3:12 explanation. Noted.

EuroTom: great story. I'm glad you were able to pay your respects, and did not break anything doing so.

OD's mentioning Humphrey was a pleasant memory; he was a good good man.

And reminded me of Muriel, for about a year a Senator serving out his term.

EuroTom
Thanks for telling your HHH story. A very nice and touching tribute to someone who truly deserves everyone's respect.

It looks like the McCain house joke issue has subsided. Democrats are going to do stuff like this they have to looks to what the Republicans did with the "Kerry joke" Everyone has to be on board and stay on message (no matter how stupid and offensive it might be.) The media took back the agenda and returned to their Clinton obsession. The drinking game is every time a "Clinton surrogate says she on completely on board and the pundit says but I heard she isn't' take a drink. if I started that this morning I'd already be passed out.

I counted six uses of "stagecraft" the most overused and inappriately used word of this political season.

A better media please. Three strikes and off the air!

Champ...Here is the test Jamie and Fry were referencing. Jamie sent it to a bunch of folks last week. It's fun!

This is interesting !!! See if your brain is as old as your body or OLDER !! Read this carefully because the instruction on the site are in Chinese;

Procedure of Flash Fabrica Game:

1. Touch 'start'

2. Wait for the countdown to finish, i.e.: 3, 2, 1.

3. Memorize the number's position on the screen and their numerical order, then click the circle from
the smallest number to the biggest number. This sequence will repeat ~ 10 times until the game ends.

4. At the end of game, the computer will tell you how old your brain is in Years

Good luck !!

http://flashfabrica.com/f_learning/brain/brain.html

"Can a VP candidate resign after nomination? Can a nominated Presidential Candidate?"

jamie, do you know the answer to John Hogue's questio? if gordo's right and o gets swift booted, can biden become pres. candidate and pick hrc for vp?

What is this about the C.O.W.S. at the convention? Something to do with communications? I just saw something in passing and missed details.

Is Craig keeping track of the herd?

Hey printer, I like mine better:

A noun, a verb and POW. rofl

Patsi,

I was curious because I remember I had family/friends that was upset at the Dems (voters) in-fighting whom they felt were responsible for HHH's loss and Nixon's win. Throw in Wallace and JA plus RFK's murder.

BTW, It's not like it was before my time. I was 16, in high school. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrOXId1y5g&feature=related

Thanks, Jamie, that's it. Of course, not the version I saw fifty years ago. I wonder how much of a sense of humor Voltaire had?

Of course he had a sense of humor/horror. How else could he have written, that, privation after privation, that this is the "meilleur des mondes possibles" -- the best of possible worlds.

cows http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/holy-cow-wirele.html

patd
thanks for the link...I loved the first comment

"I'm waiting to see the day that PIGS (Pens in good shirts) are put to use by informed and educated reporters .... would that not be a technical milestone!

Posted by: George Stanley Liebowitz | August 25, 2008 at 08:55 AM"

Flatus

It's like the opening to A Tale of Two Cities

Best of times Worst of times.

It doesn't really matter when you live, it always is. Golden years almost always shine only in retrospect.

"Golden years almost always shine only in retrospect."

Indeed

"Some senior Democrats close to Obama, meanwhile, made clear in not-for-attribution comments that they were equally irked at the Clinton operation. Nearly three months after Hillary Clinton conceded defeat in the nomination contest, these Obama partisans complained, her team continues to act like she and Bill Clinton hold leverage"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2008/aug/25/barackobama.clinton?gusrc=rss&feed=commentisfree

LOL
When are they going to wake up and realise she does.
and there is the Obama problem, just like on this blog, a basic refusal to face reality.

Jack

Thanks Patd That explains it.

Is a higher or lower age better on that test? I got 25...

Frydaddy,

If there is one thing the Republican's have shown us in the past 30 years its that when faced with a choice between picking a veteran or civilian, take the civilian... 1988 is the one exception that I can find...

2004 Bush (DD) beat Kerry, decorated vet
2000 Bush (DD) beat Gore, Served in NAM
2000 Bush (DD) beat McCain, POW
1996 Clinton (DD) beat Dole, PH in WWII
1992 Clinton (DD) beat Bush, Decorated in WWII
1988 Bush (Decorated Vet) beat Dukakis schmuck
1984 Reagan (4F) beat Mondale, 2 years in Army
1980 Reagan (4F) beat Carter, USNA Grad
1976 Carter (USNA Grad) beat Ford (WWII Vet)
1972 Nixon (WWII Supply Officer) beat McGovern (Decorated bomber pilot)

So for all the bluster that we need war heroes, when given the choice, Americans and Republican's in particular, don't vote for them.

Bear...

Lower scores indicate a more nimble brain, I assume. Your 25 explains why you so often beat me at Word Twist...lol. I only got a 26.

Thanks, HW. I'll do it tonight after inhaling paint fumes all day and see if I'm still on top of my game.

harbor...

I get dialed into the longer words first...if one comes up with a ton of 3 letter words, i get a little overwhelmed actually...

Great, Champ! After a day of paint fumes, you should score in the 90's!

Frydaddy and Bear,

Let's compromise and call Colin Powell, 'Former Secretary.'

Also, I don't recall george walker bush being deferred. It seems to me, he went AWOL, and was then seperated without criminal charges made against him for his infraction. The records of his desertion then disappeared, much like the records of his arrests on DUIs and Cocaine Posession. Deferred? No, Clinton and Cheney were deferred, no gwb.

"BTW, It's not like it was before my time. I was 16, in high school. :)"

Rez, you're an older old fart than I thought....:)

Bear, not really.

Shrub did NG
Reagan served
Nixon served
Carter served

Being a war hero isn't a valid criterion, otherwise we would have a whole bunch of really stupid people in office.

Quality of service, and level of responsibility while in service are valid criteria. Personal courage and having responsibility for people are both important.

Of all the victors listed, Carter undoubtedly had the most impressive service credentials. And he, IMO, was an abysmal failure.

been around the block with a few spring chickens I guess.

PS -- Rez, I was 23 years old in 1968, working on a masters degree and went with my husband to Germany. I was so disgusted with the US that I really didn't care if I ever returned.

Flatus,

NG was a Draft Dodge...he needed connections to get in...

Reagan was 4F meaning he wasn't eligible. He beat 2 men in Carter and Mondale who both served.

Nixon was a supply officer in WWII and he beat a decorated bomber pilot from WWII.

I read your comments about Carter and it's ironic that many criticize obama for being the next carter when all indicators are that McCain would be that same "failure"

Flatus,

To continue my point. I agree that quality of service is important but the American electorate has demonstrated that it cares more about having a beer with their leader than whether they are competent for the job.

It's part of our celebrity culture and while McCain will use it as a weapon against Obama, were it not for his celebrity status, he wouldn't be in the position he is now.

I wonder how long before McCain's stoner,stalker, creepy guy characters from SNL will find their way into ads...

Cindy Sheehan's phones bugged in Denver....per opednews.com

Frydaddy: "You are living in the past. What you have over looked is the General is a patriot. If asked to serve, the general will serve."

All officers are officers for life. If Former Secretary Powell or any other officer refused to serve the nation during a military emergency, he could be prosecuted.

I am positive that Former Secretary Powell would not have to be asked twice to lead in a military capacity, but to become a political animal, once again working at the whim of Karl Rove, would be an entirely different thing.

Besides, mccain would lose the racist vote if he chose Former Secretary Powell.

Bear

Reagan read scripts in Hollywood for military films. I think he was a captain at the time.

Although I agree about the characterization of Shrub's service, he does have his papers.

The level of responsibilities that Mr Obama has had no way begins to compare with Mr Carter's--nor with Mr McCain's. So, we have to look for some other factors of his persona that make him the superior candidate.

Oh, Bear, I met many fine NG people who served on active duty during the 60s and did a spectacular job. They served without complaint and were philosophical about the jobs and businesses they left behind.

If you're looking for something to watch on tv tonight, the US Open started today.

Besides, mccain would lose the racist vote if he chose Former Secretary Powel

Spoken like a true bigot.

reagan made a couple training films for the army. He wore the uniform.

He also liberated the death camps from his film studio in Menlo, New Jersey. Later, in the Bitburg cemetary, he made up for liberating the death camps by honoring the nazi ss troops - you know - those fun-loving guys who played ruggers with the servered heads of African American servicemen.

Flatus,

That is very true. Unfortunately, W spent his time banging women in Alabama while he was "guarding" our air space...

FryDaddy,

You last post would make Jesse Helms roll over in his grave.

2004 Bush (DD) beat Kerry, decorated vet. BUSH NG
2000 Bush (DD) beat Gore, Served in NAM. BUSH NG
2000 Bush (DD) beat McCain, POW BUSH NG
1996 Clinton (DD) beat Dole, PH in WWII. CLINTON NMS
1992 Clinton (DD) beat Bush, Decorated in WWII. CLINTON NMS
1988 Bush (Decorated Vet) beat Dukakis schmuck BUSH NAVY
1984 Reagan (4F) beat Mondale, 2 years in Army. REAGAN ARMY
1980 Reagan (4F) beat Carter, USNA Grad. REAGAN ARMY
1976 Carter (USNA Grad) beat Ford (WWII Vet) CARTER NAVY
1972 Nixon (WWII Supply Officer) beat McGovern NIXON NAVY(Decorated bomber pilot) and boy did he ever, bomb that is.

damn, stop blaming the Clintons!
if it's so all about obama, let him heal the wounds. HRC has shown her support, and some of her people will follow.
i say again, pissing and moaning about the folks that don't think BHO is ready to lead isn't going to get him any votes.

Bear I was referring to xrepublican's post of 4:22. His is on top and my reply is underneath that..

Saw the author interviewed and this book on Obama looks good and much more balanced than anything we've seen to date

From Promise to Power

http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Promise-Power-David-Mendell/dp/0060858214/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219696817&sr=8-2

sorry, i started that a while back, it was directed way back there.

so what you are saying is that for all the talk, americans don't vote for the one with military experience? psst, did anybody tell FauxNews that?

LOL I'm listening to my wife instructing her mother that vote for JM in 2008, is a vote to let HRC run in 2012. My mother-in-law is 82 from upper Indiana and has never voted for a R until now, and she runs a D block in her county. I love it! lol

Nelson

You and I are on the same page. For a group that achieved the goal they sought there is more pissing and moaning going on (or they are letting the media run wild with the yowling and carping).

I'm really sorry all the Clinton folks weren't struck blind by the light on the way to Damascas, but get over it. You won.

Me:
"Besides, mccain would lose the racist vote if he chose Former Secretary Powell"

Frydaddy response:
"Spoken like a true bigot."

I made the remark after considering the talk I hear when sitting near the retired and semi-retired, practicing republicans who infest our local McDonald's every morning. Those guys are fond of saying things like, "You watch, if the N****r wins, they're all gonna run wild," and "I vote for white guys."

I'll bet that you have heard that from republicans, too. Anywhat, the racist talk colors my already poor opinion of republicans.

Fry,

You were much more of a soldier than Reagan was...they gave him a uniform so he could feel like a big man while Ted Williams, Bob Feller, Jack Warden, Jimmy Stewart and the real men went off to war.

BTW, I'm sure if you rode on one of his missions your draws would still be brown...

http://commentsfromleftfield.com/index.php?s=deferments

They must be nervous, Jamie.

Is there anyone here who happens to have a really good Sausage & Peppers recipe? No I'm not wanting anything from the Larry Craig/Mark Foley, Ted Haggard dating manual either...

Bear

Here's a pretty basic one that you can play around with. I'm sure Sheila or Brian could come up with something spectacular

INGREDIENTS

6 (4 ounce) links sweet or hot Italian sausage
2 tablespoons butter
1 yellow onion, sliced
1/2 red onion, sliced
4 cloves garlic, minced
1 large red bell pepper, sliced
1 green bell pepper, sliced
1 teaspoon dried basil
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1/4 cup white wine

DIRECTIONS
Place the sausage in a large skillet over medium heat, and brown on all sides. Remove from skillet, and slice.

Melt butter in the skillet. Stir in the yellow onion, red onion, and garlic, and cook 2 to 3 minutes. Mix in red bell pepper and green bell pepper. Season with basil, and oregano. Stir in white wine. Continue to cook and stir until peppers and onions are tender.

Return sausage slices to skillet with the vegetables. Reduce heat to low, cover, and simmer 15 minutes, or until sausage is heated through.

Add a little more white wine while simmering if needed.

that's what i mean...all the nastyness during the primary was one thing, but give it a rest! obahmaites are stll fighting HRC. duh, are ya'll so NEW to this process that you don't know who your supposed to fight?
forget in 'new democratic party'
i shall become independant

Corey,

I never got a chance to express my condolences after hearing the news about your father...

After my mom passed away when I was a teenager, I went through a major Moody Blues period. These are two of their best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wltO59I6xcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzRdyC0abA