Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

from the last thread, a tribute to Dinah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRWDThhTYso

From the last thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeZ64tnkK9s

Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered. Nice way to start the day. Off to work all.

Craig, REALLY good to see you back.

Craig,
Raise you one Dinah......Ain't Mis Behaving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2RNHuGIbjM&feature=related

damn those diet pills julie, damn them. we lost one of the best to those stupid things.

okay now you've guys have kept me up past bedtime with the dinah concert. goin to sleep to 'Unforgettable"

I remember as an teenager listing by the hour to her.
What a difference a day makes was one of my favorite and had forgotten it until tonight. Some of the best blues, old new orleans jazzz was from 20's, thru the 50's.. the drink got a lot of them also.

yeah, I could not let the jazz discussion end with no Dinah. I've been listening to her albums since I was a kid, fifty years ago.

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Don't believe the crush against Romney because of his faith.
I think he could turn Michigan for McCain , and I believe McCain will tap his shoulder soon to join the ticket.
I cannot believe Evan Bayh, the favorite for veep on a possible HRC ticket, is being bandied about as Obama's #2 these days.
I would love it, but we all know it ain't a-gonna happen.
Funny thing is, Bayh is the only one on the planet who could turn Indiana blue. He's the most popular Hoosier by far.

Doesn't anybody like Dakota Staton?

Dex,

I thought Romney was going to be the chosen one too.
But I have seen two or three pieces on Pawlenty.
I don't think it will be Byah either. I thought he said No.
Oh well it is all just a guessing game until the time.

Champ - don't know if you saw my post the other night, but here is the same basic content.

Do you hate St Louis because of sports teams? If not I can't imagine - it could only be a wild guess.

STL is just awful in my opinion. Dirty, dangerous, ugly, materialistic, insecure, stupid hippies (not that all hippies are stupid), vapid yuppie/preppie types, fraternity/sorority culture, stupid Cardinals worship, the pizza blows, can't walk more than 5 feet without someone trying to bum a cigarette off you...I could go on all day, seriously. I just hate STL. Can't say for certain that it's the worst place in the world, but it's right up there. I know there are some good people there, I'm friends with some, but if I never see that damn town again, it will be too soon.

Sorry; you asked...

And it's not that I don't like all cities, btw. San Fran, NYC, Boston, San Diego, San Antonio, maybe some others of which I can't think right now are some that I like. KC is OK. The people are nice, and the BBQ is great, but it is kind of boring.

Philly and Baltimore are good examples of cities with just enough redeeming factors to mitigate the plentitude of drawbacks they have. IMO, of course.

Not that you asked...

Champ - not at all sorry I asked. I was just curious. I do wonder where you went when you were there and how long you were there.

You mentioned Mizzou once, and if so, I thought maybe you had spent a lot of time in St Louis.

I actually had to laugh because your complaints about St Louis are exactly the kinds of things I've always heard about any city. I love NYC, Boston, and San Francisco, too, but haven't spent much time in San Antonio.

I grew up in St Louis county, which does not include the city of St Louis, which is not in any county. That right there makes the city a little short of cash and there is plenty of poverty there. The art museum and the zoo are world-class as is Shaw's Gardens - the museum and the zoo don't charge entrance fees which is highly unusual. There is also a classical music radio station there, and that is also not a given in most big cities.
It is a difficult city to get to know, tho, and I've heard others say that when they firgured it out, they were fine.

The upshot is, I guess you know the place where you grow up better than any place else.

However, I have no ego involved in St Louis so don't care if you hate it - I was just curious cuz you were kinda vehement about it. You've given me some info re St Louis which I find amusing since it's so different from what I had expected.

You sound to me as if you've had a brush with most of the country, so all you have left to do is get in your truck and go. Have a wonderful time and a safe trip.

Thanks. You too.

Obama is a loser.Wake up Democrats!

I posted this in the last thread. A friend of mine from High School named Scott Fisher has traveled the world. He lived in South Korea for over 10 years. He has a self-published book out called "Axis of Evil World Tour: An American's Travels in Iran, Iraq and North Korea". I have been reading the full story of his visit to North Korea. It is a fascinating read! Here is the website for the book.

http://axisofeviltour.com/

Oregon Democrat is a loser. Wake up Democrats!

EuroTom might enjoy this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHtquy539U

I suppose that Oregon Democrat could respond to Mr. Democrat with " I know you are but what am I?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8

Corey -- I bookmarked your friend's site. Looks VERY interesting.

Wash Post: "President Obama Continues Victory Territory"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902068.html?nav=hcmodule

And here is one quote from the Wash Post article:

Inside, according to a witness, he told the House members, "This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for," adding: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

Patsi, I'm not much of a reader, but his story about his trip to North Korea was a very good read. I read all 11 pages of it. There are also a lot of photos included in the story, some of which were taken with great risk.

J Capehart had it all wrong. BO is just arrogant, arrogant, arrogant. It's the "content of his character."

Between the prez seal, O-force One, his prez'l tour & uber-rally and his claim to be a symbol for all that is good & true, I think he out-does W on the hubris-o-meter. (Pete Hamill had it wrong, too. Reagan wasn't referring to himself as a "shining city on a hill." Whereas, all good things BO spews are self-referential.)

As for veep, does BO need one since he is all things to all people?

If the pesky rules call for one, Kaine seems as good as anyone else...except Hil'ry....'cause she would upstage him & wouldn't seem quite so sparkley.

No, I think he wants to stand next to someone who is politically short, fat & homely so he can magnify his magnificent magnificancy even more magnificantly.

corey - How did you feel about the page margins? :)

Well, I am one of those who believe that Senator Clinton's status as Senator Obama's VP has been a fait accompli since shortly after he got the nomination. Regardless of what the polls are saying, and how well he is doing now with those groups who voted for her in the primary, I wonder if he can win without her.

I think he's too arrogant to want her on the ticket. His ego is like a balloon; the more it inflates, the more fragile it becomes. I don't think the DNC could be bothered to pull their heads out to go that route, either. Also, I'm not sure she should sully herself by getting on a losing ticket; she can run clean in '12.

Maybe acting as prez so quickly is genetic.

"...Gutknecht (which means “good serf”) leapt through the ranks to become Mr. Goodknight."

http://www.thelocal.de/13307/

BO's vision for America is BO.

do any beer drinkers actually plan to switch from Budweiser to something else because of the sale? Im curious.

I think the Obama White House will be the most boring, most humorless place since Mr Carter was president. At least we won't have snarky remarks at Amy's expense.

We really need Sen Biden for comic relief.

Patsi
Oh Man! The W.P. article confirms to me what I feel in my gut about this guy.I keep saying Obama's hubris and arrogance reminds me of Bush.Remember the aircraft carrier.I think so much of the awful things Bush has done as President happened because of his hubris and arrogance. I look for humility in leaders and I just don't see any in Sen.Obama....

Most jarring non-sequitur of the morning goes to sturg.

I don't drink beer, but nobody will be ordering anything at Steak & Ale or Bennegan's. More jobs lost. The tax base continues to shrink...c'mon DC, get a move on.

No one will be allowed to smile or joke during a BO admin, at least not at his expense. Putin has put that law back into effect, too.

Good Morning Y'all! All that broom ridin' last night wore me out and I was lucky to sleep in this morning. Yay!

Bluendallas -- I don't know if BO is arrogant -- maybe narcissistic and selfish?

Reading the comments inthe WaPo article yesterday about Tim Kaine's possibility of VEEP. It doesn't appear that many people are excited about it. The folks over on the Raising Kaine Blog (a VA political blog) range from "not that thrilled" to outright opposition.

Craig....
are you suggestin' that there's some kind of shenanigans happening behind the curtain...... now who'd a thunk it.....

of course Obama will pick someone totally boring....
Jesus knew what he was doing when he picked Peter to build his church.... a lowly fisherman wasn't gonna outshine Mr Miracle Man.....

sturg..... next time I see a Clydesdale..... I'm gonna kick it in the shins....

do any beer drinkers actually plan to switch from Budweiser to something else because of the sale? Im curious.
Posted by: sturgeone

probably the same # that stopped shopping at "made in the usa" walmart when it switched to buying global (sam w is still spinning in his grave over that).

I feel a bit estranged from the whole political process....that stuff all happens in rooms far removed from where sturgeone sits........

Sturge

For a working man there is no domestic beer to switch to. All the Big ones are foreign owned. Only PBR and it is a pass through label, Miller brews all their beer.. All that is left is a bunch of high dollar fou fou beers. So I guess I'll just keep drinking budwieser and shopping at walmart.

Jack

China air pollution.

When Stinky and I went to Korea in May, I was absolutely shocked by the pernicious air pollution that choked the peninsula.

It was worse than 40-years earlier when coal was the universal heating and cooking fuel, and ancient steam locomotives belched their way between every Korean city.

In May, I suspected that much of the pollution was courtesy of China. Viewing all the coverage of that country revolving around the Olympics, I have little doubt that they are indeed the culprit.

Patsi,

Dana Milbank's column in WAPO, while dripping in sarcasm---just don't see any real disenchantment in the ranks.

The media may grumble a bit, think that may be more of their being left out, being manipulated, but in the end, they will continue to fawn over Obama.

After all they have assisted in presenting us with the One we are all supposed to be waiting for.
.

I NEVER go to wal-mart......you know, unless I need something.......

Renee
Don't be cruel to the animals, they're just doing their job. Besides they might kick back. Big feet on them horses.
:-)
Jack

Beer,

Every country I've been stationed in has had a great beer. We all know the obvious European ones. Here are some others:
--Korea. O.B. beer. A fine lager.
--Vietnam. 33 or Bas Mi Bas. A French style brew.
--Panama. Cerveza Panama. An excellent brew. Humphrey Bogart would be proud.
--Philippines. San Miguel. We used to call it Sam Magoo. It was the beer of choice on all the neighboring islands.

Stinky says to get off my butt and get ready to go shopping. I'm gone.

been noticing a resurgence of ads by unionfact.com (in states like NH, CO, KY etc). is it related to the senatorial/congressional contests?

sturge, on the subject of home grown beer, here's an interesting story http://207.46.245.33/id/21872115/

Flatus

For first hand look at China I enjoy James fallows Blog on the Atlantic website.

A look at the morning air

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/eleven_days_to_go.php

Jack

we have a rather tasty local brew........might start trying it more......drink locally, dontcha know.........

http://www.pubcrawler.com/Template/ReviewWC.cfm/flat/BrewerID=1775

well......no more non-sequiturous beer ramblings.....but I was rather fond of LaBatt's and Molson when I was up in Canada, oh canada......we return you now to your regular programming.......lol

What can I say?

"Here’s a sobering thought: Hundreds of bottles of Jack Daniel’s whiskey, some of it almost 100 years old, may be unceremoniously poured down a drain"

http://207.46.245.33/id/21824686/

Jack

in re: China.......a nice blog :

http://www.pekingduck.org/

whiskey down the drain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMjKq9ER2EQ

in memory of a cold dixie beer and a po'boy and for you who've ever wanted to know what it was like to be in nawlins circa katrina, i recommend burke's "the tin roof blowdown"... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/books/23masl.html
aside from the usual detective purple prose, it really creeps one out vis a vis government not coming to the rescue of fellow americans. may the good times roll again.

mornin' all.

Remember the good old days when Hillary was being mercilessly trashed by the Obama supporters here asa making her campaign all about herself and what she could do while Obama was all about what we could do together? Now he's jumped past any narcissism of Hillary and is makinghis campaign all about him as the symbol of all things good - forget all that nonsense about doing things. What's next - "I am the way, the truth and the light?" I miss the old days. Sigh.

sturg - RFLMFAO (re: wal-mart). Me and th' missus have a strict rule about Wal-Mart - only go there on Saturday or Sunday mornings before 11:00 - the rednecks are still sleeping last night off until then (the rule doesn'r apply to NASCAR sundays at Daytona and Talladegaoron Super Bowl Sunday) unless of course we need something.

I heard Ed Schultz interview Tom Daschle months ago. Daschle was telling the story of how he discovered Obama, how he introduced Obama to Kerry, how he told Kerry to have Obama speak at the convention, how he put together the team to organize the Obama run. I think the only contender for Veep is Daschle. It reminds me of Cheney deciding to run Bush for Pres in order to take control of the White House.

"I don't know if BO is arrogant -- maybe narcissistic and selfish? "

Let me add Messianic to the list.

"Jesus knew what he was doing when he picked Peter to build his church.... "

Stop it, Renee -- too early in the morning to laugh that hard!

barack obama
exciting as a llama
until he picks a veep
he's putting me to sleep.

"I feel a bit estranged from the whole political process....that stuff all happens in rooms far removed from where sturgeone sits........

Ditto that, sturge.

Jack,I got 2 words for you - Molson Golden. (I know, Canada ain't the US, but it's right next door, half owned by Coors, the beer is good, and it'scheap. My kind of deadly combination.

And I'd say the TN legislature better get a bill on the floor and through to the guv's office pronto - what a stupid f*cking waste-and I don't even particularly like bourbon.

Bud drinkers please keep drinking Bud and Bud products. There are a lot of families in VA who are supported by the Bud brewery and associated facilities (Kingsmill Resort) in Williamsburg. Most of these are union jobs with benefits.

Alicia.......good point......

"the good old days when Hillary was being mercilessly trashed by the Obama supporters" ... pogo, seems political sacrificing is the in thing nowadays. ~what's 200 goats compared to 18 million votes~

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/30/asia/AS-ODD-India-Sacrificial-Celebration.php

Dem no more -- I started listening to Daschle early on, when I heard him just skirt around the advice he gave Obama on how to beat Hillary....he came an inch within admitting that he told him how to try to get under Bill Clinton's skin. Daschle is a weasel. I didn't like him as a US Senator, and I don't like him as consiglieri to the Chicago mob.

Sturge -- I heard a program on NPR where someone had said if Busch was no longer an American beer, they'd say the hell with it and just drink Wild Turkey. The answer: Wild Turkey is owned by the French.

btw, at the bottom of the page of that international herald tribune article is a story about obama's days teaching law... rather enligtening.

sacrebleu !

patd,

""Animals cannot just be sacrificed for the interest of political leaders," said Sangeeta Goswami, head of the Assam chapter of the activist group, People for Animals."

They probably are really a radical church-state spearation group. But I wonder what their position on that issue would be if the goats' and buffaloes' fates were tied to another age old tradition - barbeque? That's an age old tradition I can get behind.

vive la france!!! (Gobble, gobble).

"Returning Troops Blunt Iraq as Campaign Issue in New Hampshire"

"Iraq, New Hampshire voters' second-biggest issue in April, dropped to fourth place, with 8 percent picking it as their top concern............................
More than four of 10 New Hampshire voters picked ``jobs and the economy'' as the most important campaign issue, followed by gasoline prices and health care. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=axFK9LxKEq90&refer=home

Jack

"Affirmative Action That Even Republicans Can Love"

"Why, then, didn't Hochul get the assignment? Why did it go to someone whose meager experience fell short of even the minimum posted requirements for the job?

The answer is, as you angry white males out there may have guessed, affirmative action. Only this program wasn't aimed at gender equality or ethnic diversity. And it was more aggressively single-minded than the standard preferential treatment.

Hochul lost the assignment because hiring practices at the Justice Department gave an extra boost to a completely different sort of group: Republicans."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aItJioUKjCHk&refer=home

Jack

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The magnitude 5.4 earthquake in Southern California on Tuesday caused no serious damage or injuries, but experts say it's a reminder that the "Big One" could happen at any time.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/30/earthquake.ca/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

a little miles walking music .......get out of the house on this one.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTfBpKzu6XA

Yay! Craig's on MSNBC right now with Jonathan Capeheart. My two faves!

Fry, if you're lurking,

I didn't want you to think I forgot our discussion yesterday.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obama-gets-the-travel-bounce.html#comment-121606

I'd agree that Bali probably didn't have the kind of government police/military control that we are accustomed to in the west, what with all the buddhists there, but London and Madrid don't rally seem to make your case about AQ striking places with weak government control. And the plots that were disrupted -again, I don't trust that those plots ever existed, or if they did that they were at a stage of planning to consider them credible threats. The authorities in (Britain was it?) admitted as much about the much ballyhooed airliner plot, which has in the past month been discredited as having been something the would-be perps would have liked to do, but couldn't figure out a way to make the liquid explosives they thought would be a good idea work - which of course didn't stop our crack TSA from banning soft drinks, lotion, mouthwash and toothpaste in containers big enough to make them worth taking on vacation from airplanes. Sorry, Fry, I don't buy most of it as much more than Republican fear mongering to try and stay in power based on "secret information that we can't reveal without tipping off the terrorists" that doesn't exist. And I don't see any terrorists under my bed when I vacuum, which is the only time I check for them. (And no one ever blew up a plane with a shoe bomb, either, but we still have to take our shoes off for x-rays, and I've been felt up by more TSA guys than Carter's has pills - fitting the terrorist profile I'm sure - bald middle aged white man business traveler or vacationer traveling with his wife and kid.

Sorry for the sarcasm - well, actually I'm not - but it's not really directed at you, just at the line of crap you've bought into.

I forgot to include kucinich on my best democrats short list......an egregious oversight.........

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq-Wednesday 30 July 2008

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/45925.html

Jack....
before my summers were largely eaten up by getting ready for and doing my craft fair..... Rick and I used to spend many weekends traveling to different country fairs throughout New England mainly to watch the horse pulls....
I LOVE draft horses!..... the Belgians were the best....

pogo..... you and I tried to be kind to Obama yesterday..... but I see that neither of us could quite hold onto the idea..... oh well.....

It appears that despite the contiinued drop in home prices and consumer confidence reports yesterday, the falling price of oil, the mortgage bailout legislation and the fed continuing it's emergency loan program to Wall Street have given investors enough confidence to make the Dow rise for a second dday in a row.

And Alicia - thanks for reminding me that drinking Bud would be an act of enlightened self interest on my part (although it will be Mich Ultra or Amber Bock) since I own a little piece of Kingsmill. Does Bud own any vineyards that put out a decent red wine? Anyone? Beuhler? (sturg, at least in my neck-o-th'-woods, Molson and LaBatt's is cheaper than Bud - you might want to investigate - could bring back fond memories of happier times - or not)

Renee, try as we might, there seems to always be something that comes up to turn the tide, doesn't there? Hey, enjoy the next couple of weeks. Where is this one?

sturg, now you really have me LOL. Skinny Dennis, indeed.

Thanks for the McClatchy daily, jack. Money qute from it::

"The daily Iraq violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported..."

Hard to rely on it's rosy sounding reports too much, n'est pa?

pogo....
I only do the one fair..... the League of NH Craftsmen fair at Mt Sunapee......
it's 9 days long and it takes me 6 months to get ready....

I deliberately chose not to live the life of a craftsperson who makes his/her total living by doing numerous fairs.... they have no life except with other craftsmen at those fairs....

I make a second income..... it gives me time to do other things (such as blogging).... and I'm happier....

need to get off this machine and go finish packing....

It is McClatchy, I'll rely on them.

Mean while do a search for last year and see what i the report looks like. It is quieter. Things have improved.

Jack

'scuse me, that should have been "its rosy sounding reports..."

Renee, ahhh, Mt. Sunapee - love that area. Guy who worked for me when I was at Plymouth State - Captain Steve - used to be the owner of the Mt. Sunapee II dinner cruise boat. Have a great time - now, get back to work.

jack, I'm sure McClatchy's report is accurate - but when it notes the caveat that much of the violence in Iraq goes unreported, the assumptions you have to make to accept the daily report as indicative of the overall level of violence and death there are too much for me to accept it as anythng more than it is. As I see it there is no reliable source readily available that reflects the overall level of violence and death in Iraq. And I'd love to see one.

jack, point of clarification - are you referring to lies in the NYT editorial or the lies of the McCain campaign?

I hope Congress spits in the face of Bush on this offshore drilling. There is no reason for it.

Pogo

It had the same caveat a year ago. So you get an apples to apples comparison. Violence is down something is going right in Iraq.
I am about as sceptical on this administration as you will find but fact is facts. There is a lot of good news coming out of the defense and state department. It looks like the adults are in charge. It is about time.

Jack

That would be the NYT

"I hope Congress spits in the face of Bush on this offshore drilling. There is no reason for it. "

Jamie -- I think this whole gas price crisis was created to make people get behind more drilling. These a-holes couldn't care less what carnage they cause.

now here's a report that is Bushco putting lipstick on a pig.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/30homeless.html

Chronically homeless numbers fell between 2005 & 2007 - sounds good, doesn't it? Yeah, until you realize that represents 18% of the homeless, whose numbers rose during that same period. Note that in NY, which is held up as the example of how well the program is working, chronically homeless represent just over 10% of the total homeless, not the 18% cited as the national figure. Great report - press release should read "The Bush economy has created more homeless people, but a fifth of them don't stay homeless for as long." Sheesh.

What does Renee make?

contemptible rove
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073001153.html

If corey is around, the you tube he thought I might like to see is not available in my country...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/who-raised-kaine.html#comment-121844

jack, that may be an apples to apples comparison, but it not meaningful as anything other than a comparison of reports of violence (as opposed to reports of violence and killings) unless you know that the proportion of reported violence and killings as a percentage of the total is comparable from one period to the next, and that is not reflected in the report or anywhere else if you don't know what percentage of violence and killings are reported. It could be indicative of a reduction in violence, but without that info, you can't make that statement. It could also reflect a reduction in reporting.

I'm baaaaaaack..... I mostly finished packing yesterday.... just had a few loose ends to contend with....

champ.... I'm a handweaver..... I specialize in weaving scarves and shawls with hand-painted yarns.... it's simple weave structure with luxurious fibers.... and I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE color....

Jamie.... as a fellow horse lover.... I'm sure you're aware of the fact that any Shetland pony can be meaner than any draft horse on given any day of the week....
I've never understood why people think it's ok to get those things for their kids just because of their size.....

pogo..... is the Christian Science Monitor a good enough source for you?...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0730/p01s01-wome.html

btw, what lies are in the editorial? I have seen some of the McCain accusations against Obama it lists, but not all of them.

Pogo,

I remember reading about Ramzi Yousef, who did the 1st bomb at WTC. He was a master of explosives. He now resides in Super Max out in Colorado. Here is one of his many terrorist acts:

Philippine Airlines Flight 434
On December 11, 1994, Yousef boarded a Philippine Airlines Flight 434 in Manila headed to Cebu; he pretended to be an Italian man named Armaldo Forlani. Midway through the flight he disappeared into the toilet, took off his shoes to get the batteries and assembled his bomb which he tucked into the life vest under his seat, seat number 26K. The plane flew on to Cebu where Yousef got off before the final leg of the flight to Tokyo, Japan. Haruki Ikegami, a 24-year-old businessman, took Yousef's old seat. Two hours later, the device exploded, killing Ikegami. The blast blew a hole in the floor and severed the cables that controlled the plane's right aileron. The jet's steering was crippled but the captain made an emergency landing at Naha Airport on Okinawa (southern Japan), saving 272 passengers and 20 crew. Yousef monitored the effects of his "test", then increased the amount of explosive in his devices and began preparing at least a dozen bombs.

But just before the Bojinka Plot was due to be launched, a fire started in Yousef's Manila flat and police, led by Aida Fariscal, uncovered his plot. A Philippine National Police raid in a Manila apartment also turned up evidence that Abdul Murad, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Yousef had drawn up plans for flying an airplane into CIA headquarters. The information was passed on to the FAA, who warned individual airlines.

For more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef

The Paper Trail: Obama’s Indonesian Background [Updated]

"... it would appear that in the State of Hawaii you can have more than one Birth Certificate, if you happen to have been Adopted.

... there exists a possibility that the Birth Certificate on File in Hawaii contains information other than that which appears on the Document that we have all seen. If it does and if it lists Father’s Name as Lolo Soetoro and the Senator’s Surname as Soetoro he has some explaining to do. It would tend to suggest that he possesses, or possessed, a copy of his Original Certificate of Live Birth and that he has been using that in place of his amended Certificate of Live Birth.

IF I am correct in my assumption that Senator Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and I don’t see an alternative that fits, he would have been an Indonesian Citizen until he was 21 years old, unless he made a formal Renunciation. But Indonesia is not Kenya and you do not AUTOMATICALLY lose citizenship, at any point. "

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

Apropos

"Beer For My Horses"-T.Keith

the ole redneck rocker keeps it stirred up;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/toby-keiths-pro-lynching_b_115526.html

"measure how a particular choice will be received by the news media, their supporters and those in their party who marginally back the presumed presidential nominee"

Craig,
I've always thought those names were put out there (leaked) to gage the reaction of the public, etc. I guess they really are paying attention.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/who-raised-kaine.html#comment-121879
Dem No More, I found your post interesting both for what you heard Daschle say and because I haven't heard that much about Daschle for Veep. But I agree with Patsi about him being a weasel.

RR

Yes Shetland's are little beasts. I was being silly with the "downsizing".

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obama-gets-the-travel-bounce.html#comment-121841

http://axisofeviltour.com/

Corey,
Don't know if you're here, but I enjoyed your friends website. It's always interesting to see things first hand through someone elses eyes (if that makes sense to anyone but me). Thanks for linking that.

Sadly, when it comes to the war in Iraq, it is the Arizona Republican who failed his own commander-in-chief exam. At almost every turn in the run-up to the invasion and the ensuing American occupation, McCain’s judgment was almost always wrong, often disastrously so. From his predictions of a short war, claims U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators and that the U.S. would find weapons of mass destruction to his announcements of mission accomplished, his ongoing confusion over friend and foe in Iraq and so much more, John McCain the would-be wartime president gets failing marks.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/29/mccain-fails-mccains-commander-in-chief-test/

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Pogo

Read that one last night on McClatchy web site. (I think).
I must say it doesn't fit my observations. In the article I read it had a wierd definition of homeless too. The individual had to be disabled. So maybe the headline should read " Improvement in mentaly impair services has lead to a decline in their rate of homelessness.
In general the number of people panhandling on street corners has dramatically increased in the last 3 years.

Jack

Renee, that was quick.

I normally find the CSM to have very good reporting - but the article you linked doesn't demonstrate better security - it assumes it, and in passing, I might add. It demonstrates increased oil revenues, which may or may not be a result of a better security situation, at least in the oil fields, but doesn't show any improvement in employment in their chosen fields of study for the graduates it talks about, which I would think improved security and resulting economic resurgence would result in. There are indicators that should be capable of documenting, most of which woudl be economic measures - I just haven't seen the evidence to support the improvements that our government is claiming there. It may exist, and I'll be happy to see that it does, but I ain't seen it yet.

"In general the number of people panhandling on street corners has dramatically increased in the last 3 years."

And the worse the economy the worse it'll get.

Rove declared in contempt of Congress.

President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour
Barack Obama has long been his party's presumptive nominee. Now he's becoming its presumptuous nominee.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902068.html?hpid=topnews

Renee,

I make stuff, too. Pretty much anything except cars.

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along
that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his
visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area
to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and
didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he
finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent
that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he
could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the
opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home
that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to
make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are
providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas
Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the
President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would
want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around
those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know
what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is
all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

I guess pogo on Iraq violence. It is your turn make the case that violence has not gone down.

Good luck

Jack

Kick some ass, Port. Here's to you.

Obama's Vice-Presidential Dilemma"

"...Does Obama counterbalance his relative inexperience in general, and in foreign policy and defense matters in particular, and go with a trusted old-timer or pick a fresh face, someone who can pose as an agent of change, a relative newcomer just like himself?"

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1827714,00.html

Surviving The Free Fall
After a Spectacular Political Failure, the Former Top Aide To Clinton Makes Herself at Home in Obama's Camp

By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 30, 2008; Page C01
CHICAGO

Patti Solis Doyle has come home to get her house in order and her reputation back. It has not been a good year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902451.html?hpid=artslot

Interesting read....

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/who-raised-kaine.html#comment-121941

Captain,
That's a sobering post you made.
It seems more and more like Obama is missing some kind of empathy or real connection to real people. He seems to be a performer more than anything else.

is CPT captain?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

Bowman, that's the closest thing to an operable shoe bomb I've seen (aside from Richard whateverhisnamewas who couldn't get his shoes to light and blow up) but no cigar. It was the batteries in his shoes, not the bomb. I know there are bad people out there, and when they want to cause havoc, they can. But consider that I carry batteries in my laptop, my camera, my blackberry, my cell phone (and my wife's and my kid's), and my kid's dvd player (to say nothing of his travel amp and headphone amps). I'd wager there are more millivolts in those devices than Yousef had in his shoes. I stand on what I said about The TSA's reaction to things that either didn't exist or didn't work. The two things I've seen that look like they might actually provide some measure of security in the airports I go through are the explosives sniffing gateway they have in some of the airports, and the x-ray and metal detectors could actually locate and prevent someone from getting a gun or knife aboard a plane - although I took a corkscrew with a foil cutter (albeit it would be hard to hijack a plane with a corkscrew and a dull 1" knife) on board in my laptop backpack twice last month without setting off any alarms or concern. If you travel much, you come to realizw how easy it would be under existing rules to do what the existing rules supposedly exist to prevent. (btw, if you appreciate irony, and I know you do, click on the John P. O'Neill link in the article and read it).

Well, empty stomach says go to lunch, and i must obey.

jack I can no more prove that it hasn't than you can prove that it has. That's the problem - the data is not there.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/30/2008-07-30_hillary_clinton_agrees_to_denver_keynote.html

Another interesting read... Hillary gives keynote address at convention.

Hillary Clinton agrees to Denver keynote - sign she's not running mate
BY DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
Wednesday, July 30th 2008, 9:52 AM

Now, after the Captain's note (and probably his service file?) was punched full of more holes than a post-SINKEX Spruance, the hapless Captain Porter is now saying something very different:

"I am writing this to ask that you delete my e-mail and not forward it, after checking my sources some of the information that was put out in my e-mail was wrong. This e-mail was meant only for my family. Please respect my wishes and delete the e-mail and if there are any blogs you have my e-mail portrayed on I would ask if you would take it down too.”

I challenge Captain Jeffrey S. Porter to produce a single letter to his immediate family that ends with "In service".

Yeah. And according to the Salt Lake Tribune, the guy--who deals with matters where veracity is of critical importance--is probably not going to be disciplined.

The message above WAS NOT posted by Captain Porter. Part of viral email campaign

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2052424/posts

I'll also check SNOPES

I've been had! Nooooooooooo!

Craig needs to check this ip address to protect against this type of posting.

hear hear! dog

Okay

Here's the Snopes report.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

I may not be a major Obama fan, but I really HATE this stuff and the people who use it.

Craig needs to check this ip address to protect against this type of posting.

Posted by: Rezdog | July 30, 2008 12:04 PM

Why? The community discredited it in 5 minutes by itself. The dude just did more harm to his cause than good.

"your usual role as an echo chamber "

Way to jump on the attack, Dog.
Sic em boy.

Jack

Back off my squirrel, Dog.

My immediate appearance, you moron.
I was already here.
Take your accusations and shove them.
I'm sick of you always hovering over head, trying to accuse me of being something I'm not.

You are evil.

does look coordinated?

Please note that the back channelers were fast with the links waiting with a trap, maybe?
lol

It doesn't matter what you stand by.
Since you have no credibility, except to spread hate.

LOL

Dog your losing it.

Jack

I wasn't applauding a smear .
I was commenting on what sounded like a caring post.
I won't be reading your posts anymore, so swing away.
You don't exist as far as I'm concerned.\

I don't know why you've chosen me, but get lost.

Oh, get off it, Dog. She didn't applaud anything. She got taken and made some conjecture based on false information.

"Please note that the back channelers were fast with the links "

Congrats Jamie. lol

Jamie said " I may not be a major Obama fan, but I really HATE this stuff and the people who use it."

I too, think it is awful that someone would go out of their way to spread lies....especially people who exploit their Military status to gain credibility.

Chloe

Remember the pattern.
one two three, so far

Look familiar?

BTW all that leftest posting you did yesterday was to fake us out.
Your a McCain provocataur. I know it , I know it
Caught you.

Oh and as if you did know, ;-)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jack

He's not evil, Chloe; he's just scared, disillusioned, and grasping at straws, so to speak.

I got taken, too, Dog. Seriously, why not jump down my throat instead of Chloe's? Is it because you know she's an easier target? You've 'spoken' some kind words to me, so I don't really want to mix it up with you, but if you're game, I'm totally down. If the gang wants to go 6-on-1, then bring it. I LOVE it. LOVE it.

So just chill a little.

Native American's Against Obama-Where?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCeImyvNnZ0

I just looked him up on google, this was the first I saw it....maybe my computer is faster then others....I certainly am not a fast typist.

So suspect what you want, whether it is true or not doesn't seem to matter here anymore.

Dog,

That's not fair. I think we all realize that Chloe is not particularly sophisticated when it comes to finding info on the computer. I think her acceptance of that posting was naivete with a bit of wishful thinking thrown in.

As pointed out, virtually everyone who knows their way around the net discredited the posting immediately.
It wasn't necessary to be quite so harsh with her.

Dog, I too looked it up through google....I guess when you question a post...it is wise to research it.

Other just blindly believe.

Dog
You did nothing that reasoned.
What you did was jump in with a stupid accusation.
Just like the stupid one I made back at you.

That is all, I've wasted too much time on stupidity.

Jack

"a trap".......now that is comical

Hey G-man,

That another phony hate/smear group of PUMAs.

I challenged their facts and got slammed and censured for being in disagreement. So much for facts and debate!
Bunch of wannabes. rofl

But go ahead and continue with your smearing. Seems par today around here.

""a trap".......now that is comical"

Yes it is. every bit as laughable as Dogs continued accusation against Chloe.

Jack

to two are unrelated....

to = the

It says to me, Dog, that she is maybe a little more trusting of people than is warranted in an online anonymous forum, which to my mind isn't much of a slander.

You could have respectfully demonstrated the fallacy of the post to her, rather than implying a fault of her reasoning or character; that would have been the stand-up thing to do, and would have shown a genuine concern for your fellow man rather than a contempt for him or her.

Speak, brother; go to it. Prepare to be held accountable, though.

"to two are unrelated"

You betcha

Jack

Champ,
Dog apologized

Why isn't the BCG capable of being respectful and persuasive, rather than arrogant and demeaning? Those of that group who engage in ad hominem attacks and public choir preaching are really turning me off. I won't speak for anyone else.

Do you guys realize how poorly you are representing your candidate, and most likely doing more of a disservice than help? Seriously, the thought crosses my mind to vote McCain just to spite you SOBS. I hope I'm not that manipulable in the end, and I'm just one man, but think about it a little.

Xmas in July. (Nothing more than coal in Karl's stocking, but still...)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_go_co/lame_duck_oversight

another one bites the dust!

I'd call you immature little children, but to be completely honest, that would be an insult to the kids I know that are really cool people. Grow the fuck up.

lol champ

you are really funny.

Dog,

I've been wrong before and I will very likely be wrong again. It isn't making an error that is ever the problem. It is the failure to acknowledge it and correct the error if at all possible.

If you bat .300 in Baseball, they reserve you a spot in the Hall of Fame. My record on taking swings is much, much better than that. :-)

Hey, all this time spent on the computer could be better spent making black friends so you could sleep easily at night knowing that you are morally superior to the rest of humanity, UB. Carpe Diem!

"Chloe is what Chloe is"

And thank God for that, because she is a valuable member of this community. She doen't deserve the attacks you have repeatedly launched at her. Not just today, but for sometime now.

Jack

Tuesday, the U.S. House of Representatives issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the institution of slavery, and the subsequent Jim Crows laws that for years discriminated against blacks as second-class citizens in American society.

Congress Apologizes for Slavery, Jim Crow
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93059465&ft=1&f=1001
(sorry if this is a repeated post)

Buy Your Own Superdelegates And Be A Nominee! Superdelegates For Sale!

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/buy-your-own-superdelegates-and-be-a-nominee-superdelegates-for-sale/

Champ,
Whatever, maybe you don't desire to broaden your exposure to people from different ethnic background. I don't see why that, goal of mine , make some people here so angry.

Make very little sense to me.

Craig! You looked so tan and relaxed, vacation suits you well!

Where did you go for vacay, anyway?

Maybe George Stephahoopahoo can add businesses to his "In Memorium" segment ast they go extinct. Farewell, Monte Cristo sandwich...and tax-paying Bennegan's employees.

People need relief, but I can't believe tax cuts will be the answer as the tax base shrinks. About 10 years ago, I read a book called Middle Class Dreams...the middle is getting squeezed...a few move up, but most get squeezed down an economic peg & the burden on the middle becomes greater.

pogo - From yesterday: But how does it make economical or ecological sense to ship a frozen, spinach pizza a few thousand miles? I wasn't imagining that it was produced in a sweat-shop in Naples, just that it's something we could've handled in-house.

rr - Happy Selling Spiderwoman!

That is so funny.

I remember going to see Hillary Clinton in Nashua back before the NH Primary. One of the songs they played to pump up the crowd was "I'm A Believer"

Must be those Clintonistas will believe anything.

And the content of that e-mail does play into the Obama Myth of being the chosen one and a far superior being to the cheering (or jeering) masses.

I suspect that there are large numbers of people that will believe that e-mail about Obama.

I expect to see much more of this.

"Congress Apologizes for Slavery, Jim Crow"

I bet that makes everybody happy. You know , like AAs standing handcuffed by their car, in the hundred degree heat, while the cop takes 30 min. to "run their licence", when their only offense is driving while black.

The past is the past. It is the present we should be working on. IMO

Jack

Bowman

Stuff like that is in my email every single day as I have a couple of really right wing acquaintances and one relative who would believe anything evil about anyone left of an TV Preacher.

I've got Snopes on speed dial. :-)

Boop: I just joined in this web and was taken back in time with your comments on St. Louis. I grew up there in the 40s, 50s and left in 1968, but still have family there; also grew up in St. Louis County (University City) but am familiar with much in your post. I had wedding pictures taken at the Shaw Gardens, a wedding lunch at the Old Windmill Restaurant on Gravois Road. and remember the outdoor Muny opera, went there for many a date. Ahh, good to remember the familiar of the past. Thank you for your gift!!

The Edwards scandal is now an MSM scandal

"This is all somewhat vague, but the words "money laundering" may eventually come into play. If money is being funneled, have all the relevant taxes been paid?

Assuming the reports are true, and that legal lines were crossed in concealing money transfers, Edwards' scandal could become a crime story."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/the_edwards_scandal_is_now_an.html

"I suspect that there are large numbers of people that will believe that e-mail about Obama"

True, On any group I've been on someone will bite. It helps if you have been stung yourself. Makes one more cautious.

It looked like a mass mailing. No mistakes like you see in regular postings. So even if it was true it would be suspect. IMO

Jack

Jack,
Did you even read the Transcript by Rep. Steve Cohen?

The past isn't just the past. as you say.

Just pretty words, UB. Nothing more. Meanwhile there are problems not being addressed by this congress. Many of them of great importance to the AA comunity.

Jack

ROLF!
the Obots are proving once again why some compare them to Jesus freaks....
"hey, if you're even mildly derogatory toward my Messiah, you've insulted me too"....

oh well..... that's their problem......

as for me..... it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood..... I'm getting on my broom and flying around.....

yes... I'm in a snarky mood..... so what......

Chloe, this is still The United States and you have a right to believe what you believe and to comment on it. I wouldn't pay any attention to the vitriol that the unmentionable ones spew nor the condescension from Jamie.
So many here have such a high opinion of themselves that it's nice to read the reasonable, logical yet humble comments that you make

Have a good flight RR. It's lovely up there above NH

Play nice in the sandbox folks and be sure to share the pail and shovel ... errands call.

"I've got Snopes on speed dial"

I used to get a lot but I've broke most folks of the habit of sending me junk email.

There was a web site that you could send your email to that would take the endlessly forwarded ones and email each address explaining that the email sent by person X was a hoax. I thought about using it on one cousin that just couldn't learn.

Jack

With Commercial, McCain Gets Much More Than His Money’s Worth

WASHINGTON — The number of times Senator John McCain’s new advertisement attacking Senator Barack Obama for canceling a visit with wounded troops in Germany last week has been shown fully or partly on local, national and cable newscasts: well into the hundreds.

The number of times that spot actually, truly ran as a paid commercial: roughly a dozen.

I guess that was pretty stupid on McCains part.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30ads.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1217437590-TWmi7KsyXcIny1AvvcwbYA

RR,

If you buzz my house in Nashua, I'm calling out the NH Air National Guard (if there are any left in the country)

Really, this is just getting out of hand !!! Can we all just stop with the bashing back and forth? I am not taking sides because when I read what I do, most of it is just we've morphed out of Peewee's Playhouse into Peewee's Twist My Balls Until I Scream Playhouse.

Everyone here brings a piece of truth to the discussion, and I value that. I think posting nasty comments back and forth and ever widening the circle of people taking sides is only making what was a small issue into something big.

I often want to "go off" in here, but I try to maintain cool (which I originally was not able to do). I am not superior or arrogant :-) , I am just trying to be practical and say ... ok folks

STOP FUCKING TAKING EVERYTHING SO GODDAMNED PERSONALLY!

Thank you and have a very nice day, and YES, this part I really do mean.

xoxoxoxo

Tom

Was John Edwards pressured to support Obama with threats of his affair and love child being exposed?

"Here’s something we are seeing a lot of on the blogs the last day or so: speculation that John Edwards ... was pressured into endorsing Obama after North Carolina’s primary with threats that if he didn’t, the Obama campaign would expose his longtime affair with Rielle “Lisa Druck” Hunter, and subsequent love child.

It’s certainly the kind of thing Obama would do: just ask Alice Palmer how dirty Obama can get."

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/was-john-edwards-pressured-to-support-obama-with-threats-of-his-affair-and-love-child-being-exposed/

Before anyone gets angry at me, I was trying to inject a bit of humour in what was otherwise a serious topic...

Bowmanc

I posted a bloomberg link that said the NH national guard are all home.
Made me wonder if the California, Illinois, and New york guard get extra duty in Iraq. While swing states like NH , and Ohio get to stay home.
Just speculatin' no hard facts

Jack

Gordo, please clarify. Are you a Republican, or vote Repug? We really did understand that you were supporting Hillary Clinton but now I am not sure. You don't have to answer, but posting all these conspiracist and right wing propaganda sites certainly suggests that you are not a capital "D" in any sense of the word. Post all you want, but since you rarely say anything yourself, it gets hard to understand who you are in terms of these posts....

Thanks for listening.

About Tim Kaine? I understand that he opposes a woman's right to choose. WOW if that is true then I will not be able to support the Democratic ticket. Sen. Obama would again be undercutting the rights of women and negating all of the support for Roe v. Wade which we have defended for decades. It certainly would be a change in politics but one I could not and will not support. God forbid that Tim Kaine would become President but we cannot afford to take that chance.

I do think that the candidate can choose anyone he wants but we also have to choose whether or not to support a ticket at such odds with democratic core beliefs. Support of women, economically and personally has been a mandate of the democratic party. If you do not support women's rights then it does not mean you cannot win an election but it does mean i will not vote for you.

Obama has already hedged on his support of Roe v. Wade and is now floating a veep candidate who opposes the right of choice. NARAL where is your voice, your outrage and withdrawal of support.

"Obama never hedged on support for Roe"
Except for those women with the blues and .............

I missed that rule that we have to state affinity for or ascribe to a political party in order to make comments.

St Louis...I lived there while in nursery school -attended the first integrated nursery school in St Louis
My father was in graduate school at the George Warren Brown School of Social Work at Washington University and my mother worked with displaced persons for the Dept of Social Services.

Weirdly the rabbi they worked with integrating the nursery school ended up being the rabbi at the Temple they belonged to in Ohio many years later.

My neighbors here moved here from St Louis and it sound like it has its moments...but you cannot beat Northern California.

I liked the margins too, Blue. LOL! My friend said they visited the Kim shrines in North Korea. They were forced to wear covers over their shoes so they did not get the floor dirty. They were told that they must have a "proper and respectful" attitude while they were in the shrines. However, he said the floors were so polished that they realized how easily they could slide across the floors. With a good running start, they could easily slide 9ft across the floors! LOL! These tours basically consisted of going room to room and looking at the gifts presented to the Kims by other countries? The gift to the Kims from the USA was a basketball signed by Michael Jordan. They had no idea who he was, but assumed he was someone very important! One of the more interesting stories was his visit to the "DMZ".

http://axisofeviltour.com/nk-trip6-dmz.htm

I missed that rule that we have to state affinity for or ascribe to a political party in order to make comments.

Posted by: Boss Tweed | July 30, 2008 1:33 PM

"You don't have to answer... Post all you want, but since you rarely say anything yourself, it gets hard to understand who you are in terms of these posts...."

Does this clarify what I was saying? It's a two parter... One: he doesn't have to answer, in other words there is not a "rule", so nothing missed there. Two: because there is no text by the poster him/herself as there are in most posts, it is hard to know where the person and the links coalesce together.

Hope this clears the issue up for you.

Tom

Boss Tweed
We must maintain ideological purity.

Repeat after me.

Two legs good , four legs bad
Two legs good , four legs bad
Two legs good , four legs bad
Two legs good , four legs bad

Tom, that Youtube was Robin Thicke's video for his new song called "Magic".

Not likely to be Kaine
Similarly, I think he's unlikely to pick Tim Kaine, whose lieutenant governor is an arch-conservative Republican. It's taken the Democratic party 40 years to get to the point where it's a majority party in Virginia -- I just can't see willingly handing over the governor's mansion to a Republican, even if it is for only one year. And for what? Kaine's not necessarily that helpful in Virginia, as Silver pointed out yesterday. I mean, Tim Kaine's a great guy and everything, but does any marginal improvement that he adds to Obama's campaign offset the damage of coronating a Republican governor in Richmond? I doubt it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/30/10502/7248/367/559001

Oh too bad... he's cool...

And for cryin' out loud, I'll stop asking questions if it results in these pedantic responses from people using fake names to make a point. I am off... bye :-)

OK, here's a BBC link to death tolls in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7036068.stm

It suffers from some of the same problems the link jack posted suffers from - a lack of accurate reporting. My take on it is this - Civilian deaths over the past 4 or so months appear to be about what they were before the excalation in violence of 2006 occurred, and US military deaths this year are somewhat less than they were before that same escalation in violence. Citing the US troop deaths is not much of a metric on security because that death rate is dependent on the number of troops in the field and the level of combat activity they are engaging in - the last two years were horrendous, far surpassing the previous 3. The Iraqi civilian death rate appears to have returned to a level about consistent with the level it was during the third year of the war, which exceeded the prior two and was less than the following two. If you ignore the first 2 years of the war and that reflects increased security in your mind, fine with me. Assuming there is some validity to the figures, any reduction is only in comparison to the last 2 years. That doesn't sound like much of an increase in security to me.

KGC

As I understand it Kaine is also having the typical problems a Governor has in a down turn in the economy. So his political capital is not so great.

I was thinking today, for VP, Obama needs someone like Loyd Bensen. (True, he is dead but a minor technicality. )
What a Bensen type would do is bring poise and age at the same time. would be a great contrast to McCains lack of poise.

Jack

Obama lead in Michigan narrowing, poll says.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080730/NEWS15/80730037

ET? Are you a democrat? Does it matter.? This blog is very heavly weighted towards liberal idiology, I'm suprised that Frydaddy comes around as much as he does. Personally, I'm gald he does.

If this just becomes an echo chamber for one political party what good is it? Not much. And that is why I encourage GORDO to keep those posts coming. The responses are so predictable.

Jack
I guess there are two schools of thought on the veep for both--one of the "do no harm " Evan Bayh type or Tim Pawlenty for the GOP and then someone riskier --
but more in style with the candidates themselves --someone like Sebellius/Napolitano for the Dems and someone like Sarah Pawlin or Christy Todd Whiteman for the GOP.
But all the rumors I've heard say Biden for Dems and gak the Mittster for McCain.

NEW THREAD

blue, I can't speak for the purchasing decisions of grocery chains - I was just commenting on how I thought that may have come about, and that it likely wasn't outsourcing in the pejorative sense we tend to use the word.. I'd hope some of the chains actually consider quality as well as price when they buy stuff to sell in their stores. I frankly don't know what the economics of that situation were, but I think we can reasonably assume it was competitive with offerings of Pizza made in the USA. I have to agree with you about questionning how in the world frozen pizza can be made in Italy and shipped here as economically as pizza made here, particularly considering container shipping costs these days, but the Japanese were able to do that with steel in the 70s and 80s - shipping scrap steel to Japan, making finished steel products out of it and shipping them back here and selling them more cheaply in the US than we could produce and sell those products here. I think labor costs were the primary difference with the steel industry, and have to be a big factor in the pizza industry as wel, although I never would have thought that would be the case.

ET? Are you a democrat? Does it matter.? This blog is very heavly weighted towards liberal idiology, I'm suprised that Frydaddy comes around as much as he does. Personally, I'm gald he does.

If this just becomes an echo chamber for one political party what good is it? Not much. And that is why I encourage GORDO to keep those posts coming. The responses are so predictable.

Posted by: Bowmanc | July 30, 2008 1:53 PM

again my response...

"You don't have to answer... Post all you want, but since you rarely say anything yourself, it gets hard to understand who you are in terms of these posts...."

Does this clarify what I was saying? It's a two parter... One: he doesn't have to answer, in other words there is not a "rule", so nothing missed there. Two: because there is no text by the poster him/herself as there are in most posts, it is hard to know where the person and the links coalesce together.

Hope this clears the issue up for you.

Tom

Sturg, thanks for linking that James Fallows piece.

I don't know where he gets the energy to do all the intellectual exploring that he does. I envy his range of interests.

Chloe, this is still The United States and you have a right to believe what you believe and to comment on it. I wouldn't pay any attention to the vitriol that the unmentionable ones spew nor the condescension from Jamie.
So many here have such a high opinion of themselves that it's nice to read the reasonable, logical yet humble comments that you make Posted by: Boss Tweed | July 30, 2008 1:06 PM

Tweed, I thought maybe I was the only one that noticed. What Jamie said actually made me feel worse than what Dog said.

Thanks for the kind words.

ps. am hoping that might be Nick.

That's not fair. I think we all realize that Chloe is not particularly sophisticated when it comes to finding info on the computer...virtually everyone who knows their way around the net discredited the posting immediately.

Gee, Jamie, I'm surprised I can even use a computer. Aren't you?