Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Let's start this off right!

And in your terms, that would mean? A genuflect?

LOL

Our trolls are tweaking.
(Drug speak for being up all night from smoking meth.)

Patsi, It is a troll. A troll has only one desire in this world. That is to provoke a reaction. Any time you think you are having a discussion with a troll you aren't. Look at Jamies attempt to be reasonable with the trolls last night. She would have had more of a conversation if she had just talked to herself.

Jack

watch it patsi.....bye bye knows the first rule of blog-war is you must cripple your opponent with withering blather and a battery of broom jokes......

"Look at Jamies attempt to be reasonable with the trolls last night. "

I know, Jack. She made them both look like fools....

and yes, Sturge -- they dragged out the brooms & blather....

For all you hillbillies out there

http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/466236.html
An interesting story about the Appalachian dialect.

It ranges from Appalachia through kentucky, the Ozarks down into Texas.

Jack

"She made them both look like fools"

Patsi

You can't make something that already is.
Jamie did give us a very good example of reasonable discourse even on a silly subject. At least one troll groupy should think about how silly she looked next to Jamie.

Jack

Now on to more fun stuff.

Did you see the pictures of the Butterfies in my garden, great picture of a yellow swallowtale.

http://showyourgarden.blogspot.com/

Jack

had a greek history prof once who loved to point out that the ancient greeks suffered from schizophrenia.....

Washing clothes with only one cup of water? Now this IS SOMETHING!

http://gizmodo.com/5014920/one-wash-one-cup-of-water-nearly-waterless-washing-machine-invented

"Mickey, check the weering to the bittrey....."

"Hit maght be the celloid.....if the celloid is messed up hit twon't hit a lick....."

overheard in bristol tennessee....circa 1981........two locals trying to start an automobile......

Sturge

Maybe it is because Greek culture is naturally bisexual as was pointed out endlessly by my Greek history instructor.

Jack

Sturg, don't do this to me--not while I'm drinking my cuppa.

Schizo whatever isn't in my normal vocabulary so I did a dictionary search on it:
http://www.tfd.com/schizophrenia

Golly, talk about a word that perfectly personifies the groupie gaggle that has gathered in the evenings ever since the full-moon.

They're a hoot!

And, go figure, the EU likes the Greeks but hates the Turks.

Ifen ya jiggle that war, ya mahght git hit a runnin'

An elderly cousin helping me start my car , Mid seventies missouri Ozarks

Jack

my ab-psych guy would point out that schizophrenia is often seen as "multiple personalities" whereas it was actually an inability to muster or sustain even one coherent personality

First, his own Prez'denshal seal & now...well, now all of the rallies seem even more disturbing.

http://blogs.dw-world.de/acrossthepond/michael/1.6834.html

But Andreas Schockenhoff, deputy head of the CDU/CSU parliamentary group, told Sunday paper Bild am Sonntag: "The Berlin Victory Column is dedicated to the victory over neighbors, who today are our European friends and allies. To me that is an unfortunate imagery." Rainer Brüderle, deputy leader of the Free Democrats said in the same paper, that the column was moved to its current location by Adolf Hitler. Brüderle added: "For him (Hitler) it was a symbol of German superiority and victorious wars over Denmark, Austria and France. I ask myself whether Obama was well advised to choose the Victory Column as a venue for a speech about his vision for global cooperation."

Well the Turks who have immigrated into Europe have been largely the uneducated "mountain people" and heavily islamic.

There is great fear of opening up Europe to further Islamic immigration. I would venture to say that most Europeans see Islam as a great threat to western values and the preservation of European culture. Also, only a slab of Turkey is in Europe... it is really an Asian country. In many ways Turkey is unstable and opening the borders further will simply create even less security in a continent that seems to be a new breeding ground for islamic fundamentalism. And yes, I see this as a threat to my own personal freedoms and those of people who choose not to blindly follow doctrinaire, oppressive religious ideologies!

imus has moved from mccain to the "undecided" column because "mccain is insane".

of course.......(lol).... that could change........

Tom

Us mountain folk, we scare the hell out of everybody when we move in. It may be because of all of our guns and religion.

Jack

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/ap_on_re_as/china_russia_border

"China and Russia were bitter rivals during the Cold War, but their ties have warmed considerably in recent years, partly from a mutual desire to counter U.S. influence in world affairs."

"Beijing is also eager to secure access to Russia's oil and gas deposits, and has been a major buyer of Russian military hardware."

C'mon, T-Boone. Get those pinwheels goin'.

I'd take the American mountain folk any day to those from Turkey, Morocco et al...

jack......good book for you.......CRACKER CULTURE by McWhiney (sic) University of Alabama Press.....Celtic influence in the old south........

And don't forget we are bitter to.

Jack

I love Celtic music !!!

Rice, ever the diplomat...

http://voanews.com/english/2008-07-21-voa9.cfm

Looks like Bush/Cheney still set on stirring it up with Iran.

You know, when I was at my reunion on Saturday night I stood next to this guy named Alex. I almost had to put on waders because the crap flowing out of his mouth was getting really deep. But, after reading last night's thread....

Tom

A little amataur anthropology here.

I've notice that places where it is hard to survive such as mountainous areas. you tend to see a more demanding religion. It is as if there is no margin of error in their lives and they must always remind themselves that to stray from the path of survival means death for them. It is only in the flatlands that you see the less restrictive religions. Where the folks are richer and food is easier to come by.

Jack

Good morning all
Were off to a good start this a.m.!! Well except for the first poster,hope he doesn't make it habit.Love the mornings here!!! Blue Thanks for those great links between them and my iced tea i'm wide awake and ready to start my day....

w'jack - I think it also has to do with the hard terrain...isolation...no exposure to new ideas.

Just like everyone in Iraq seems to be a Bahgdad Bob...the sand shifts and so do their statements.

How's about some Georgia Cracker Salad to go with that iced tea?

http://www.razzledazzlerecipes.com/salad-recipes/georgia-cracker-salad.htm

corey - Are you saying this blog is like bootcamp for class reunions?

corey.......right.....waders, hell......you needed a john boat........

Corey
How's the Michigan summer this year.I notice you been going to the beach some.What lake? I grew up spending my summers in Oscoda,MI on Lake Huron.Lots of good memories!!! Oh the bomb fires on the beach and paddle boarding on the lake and fishing.......

Here is video of McCain in Kansas city working the crowd in one of his town hall meetings. Noticed how relaxed he looks.

http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2006584&item_index=43

Jack

"I think it also has to do with the hard terrain...isolation...no exposure to new ideas"

That is part of it too, I think.

Jack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWaAyPFhvoY

kansas city star

Sturge, yeah, but....

It's been warm here the last week or so, Tony. I was off for 2 weeks, but I went back to work last night.

Blue, I go to reunions and I talk to some people and I wish I was like them. You know, good job, married and have kids. Then I talk to others who still act like asshats 20 years after we graduated and I'm glad I'm not like them.

The girl I sat with at dinner told this guy named Arik, "Arik, you creeped me out in high school!" She said this in front of Arik's wife. She quite enjoyed that.
Arik was acting weird on Saturday night. Was he drunk or on something? I wasn't sure.

I'll vote for McCain as soon as Hades becomes a venue for the Ice-capades......not one second sooner.

Sturge
Unlike the koolaid drinkers in both camps, I don't care who you will or will not vote for.

I'm interested in the process and found the McCain video interesting from a process point of view.

Jack

Although I was tempted to creat a sock puppet last night and join in the fun.

Jack

Jack.....roger that......
he looks in that video just like he did when i went to see him at the Citadel.......I just dont like him a'tall and seeing him brought bubbling forth from me that response.......

"One of the largest illegal migrations in the world continues to swell as Zimbabweans stream into South Africa"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/44706.html

Blue

Last night supper
Because of the heat we did a cold supper.
I took fresh garden tomato slices and topped them with a soft sharp goat cheese mixed with garlic chives and Italian spice.

mmmmm good

Jack

Don't grow too enamored with your presidential candidate's many promises..........

"The list of problems facing the nation means that campaign promises -- Obama's universal health care, middle-class tax cut and immigration overhaul, or McCain's corporate and individual tax reductions and energy-independence plan -- will likely be put on hold while the president focuses on more immediate concerns, especially the economy"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKIkmrDcRKv4&refer=home

McCain's behavior in captivity was exemplary and beyond reproach......all that any nation could expect from a member of it's armed services........his behavior both before and after has been that of a real live jerk......especially his behavior after the 2000 SC primary......

picture worth a thousand words:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Biggerfoot/1-mccain_bush_hug.jpg

I just dont like him.

Dog

a few years ago I had a contract with the Corps of Engineers for litter and camp site maintance. It put me out in the country a couple of times a week. I would stop by little road side stands where the corn was picked that morning. I would eat half of the corn I bought raw on the cob before I got home.
Jack

I aint that crazy 'bout obammer either........but if push came to shove I'll vote for the democrat.
someone like chuck hagel I could possibly consider, except for the potential for cover-up of past cheney-bush junta actions......

not that anyone pays any attention to what I'M going to do.........lol

"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez heads to Moscow to shop for air defense systems, submarines and other weaponry as Latin America's arms race quickens amid signs that his regional influence is waning. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aciomXiknWY0&refer=home

Jack

Jack, Dog,

It really did get hot in Kansas--and the temperature swings were tremendous. Although we lived at Ft Leavenworth from 81 to 83, I had traveled there a number of times during the late 70s.

On my first trip it was probably late January. When I drove from my motel in downtown Leavenworth, went by the digital temperature display on the side of the bank. It said -19 deg f. Then, that summer when I returned, It was almost 100 degrees warmer.

Stinky and I had a marvelous flower garden with some veggies growing amongst them. That was when we lived on the post in one of those old sets of quarters built at the turn of the century. I enjoyed Kansas.

And, yesterday, picked our first tomatoes of the season over here in SC. Today's heat will probably hit the new buds hard. Oh, well, that's the way it goes. We'll have tomatoes until sometime around or after Thanksgiving.

Under the "Its an Illwind" column

Never Have So Many Short Sellers Made So Much Money With Stocks

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=abz3Png6wvrM&refer=home

Jack

from www.crooksandliars.com

In fact, it helped reveal a McCain who was an underachieving party boy during his military career - lucky to have graduated at all, much less fifth from the bottom of his class in the Naval Academy, and reminded viewers of his involvement in one of the biggest financial scandals to touch the capitol in the 80s and 90s.

As the CNN report tells it, the lessons John McCain learned during his time as a POW were “that one of the most important things in life - along with a man’s family - is to make some contribution to his country,” and that his involvement in the Keating 5 scandal which resulted in the Congressional finding that he had exercised poor judgment for intervening with federal regulators on behalf of his good friend and largest political contributor/fundraiser, Charles Keating, led to his becoming “a crusader for campaign finance reform and transparency.”

While the lessons learned parts may sound nice, what the segment didn’t reveal was the fact that his own actions have in large part belied that account. The McCain that learned the importance of family as a POW returned to divorce his first wife in a manner that offended many of his friends and colleagues to this day, and his supposed commitment as a crusader for campaign finance reform and transparency went out the window when he began skirting or breaking many of the very campaign finance laws he used to champion just as soon as they would have applied to him during this campaign.

Seriously, what part of John McCain’s past would lead anyone who actually looked at it to believe he’s the one who should lead this country forward? What part of what little we know about his military record suggests he’s leadership material? Is “there any significant policy position that John McCain currently holds, on any topic, that he’s consistently held” about anything?

well.....I must go and work on the bar up on lake santee....sorry to have belabored the subject......but he really irks me.

I never saw anything wrong in selling short. It sure saved my butt in '87. It's not for the faint of heart.

Sturg,

Face it, McCain is a typical fighter jock (jerk) of that era.

Democracy lol
Ya got to love it

"India's Singh Counts on Jailed Lawmakers to Win Confidence Vote "

"The four imprisoned lawmakers - - serving time for murder, kidnapping and arson -- were released for the two-day debate under constitutional provisions guaranteeing their right to vote."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aXuBFgJHHJR8&refer=home

Jack

Flatus

Not a thing wrong with it, it is a vital part of the system. It can be a crazy ride though, as you say not for us faint of heart.

Jack

Dexter,
Just saw your grocery rant and this story was in the local paper yesterday.

"These are very alarming statistics," said Sheila McCusker, a partner in Information Resources Inc., a private company which tracks consumer spending and released the report. "We're not talking about people saying, 'I can't buy that flat-screen TV' but 'I can't feed my family.'"

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080720/NEWS/807200379

I do sometimes wonder whatever happened to those five guys who finished lower than Mac at Annapolis.........

McCain has done an interesting dance between his moral code and his need to get elected by the right wing in his party. It is no less interesting than the dance Obama has done with is basic philosophy and the political left. then the dance he has done in the last 2 weeks. For process folks like me fastinating.

Jack

Ah, good morning you wild and crazy Clintonites. I was up all night making a poster. It was of a mother. She was wearing a Hilary Clinton button and a little daughter was at her knee. And the little daughter looked at her with innocent eyes asking, "Mommy, what did you do to erase Hillary's debt?"

The shame. The utter shame. Can't we all just pass the hat around and save Mark Penn from a life of utter insolvency? Can't we help the hard working white folk in the Appalachians who printed signs and shoveled coal for good ole Scranton Hillary?

"PUMA = Cheap ?
( Can Hillary expect another penny ? )"

For those of you who didn't get this....C H E A P is acronym for a the question....Can Hillary expect another penny?

Didn't mean to offend, and by the rate she is raising money, I think it's a fair question.

Carry on.

jack.......Actually I see Craig's blog as being devoted to "the process" and all it's works and ramifications...........

I see the troll is still tweaking

Jack

UB, I think she'll take Euros, so that's even more bang for the buck.

That stuff will rot your gums MD
I can see you now a big toothless smile
Jack

As long as I can type Jack, I can sip my nutrients.

Someone suggested that the Hillary supporters were throwing their cash to McCain....I find that hard to believe....

Jack
Nice photos from your garden.
Thanks so much for recommending a heat pump.
I have been thinking about changing out my current
furnace and this sounds like just the ticket.

That would be hilarious.

Barack Obama arrived in Iraq today for meetings with U.S. generals and Iraqi leaders as his approach for gradually withdrawing U.S. combat troops received fresh support.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a5Z9622LxRgg&refer=home

While Barack Obama commands the headlines with his traveling abroad, the central front on the road to the White House remains back home:

"Rising Value of a vote in a struggling economy"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/us/politics/21caucus.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"in some ways economic events on the ground have led debate toward the remedies of Mr. Obama & his party....

Surveys suggest Mr. Obama particularly needs to explain his stance on the blazing hot consumer issue of gas prices....

Polling by Stan Greenberg shows Mr. McCain grabbing the upper hand with his argument for expanded off-shore oil drilling & other immediate steps....

While the young Democrat draws rock-star attention,(traveling abroad) the veteran Republican will appear in small venues....to convey his familiarity with average Americans' economic struggles.

Blue,

Re: Georgia Cracker Salad ingredients

When they say " three green onions" are they talking about scallions, onions that aren't quite ripe, or something else?

The only Green Onions are know about was by Booker T and the M G's.

Sturge
True, it is why I like it here. It is more than just shouting advocacy. Though that to has its place.

Jack

Coreen

This is another article from the local paper
It's adding up, and we're just scraping by
Gas. Inflation. Recession. Mortgage crisis. Unemployment. Smaller paychecks. Bank failures.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080720/NEWS/807200382/0/WEATHER

The only Green Onions are know about was by Booker T and the M G's.

Posted by: EdVB | July 21, 2008 9:34 AM

One of my favorites!

Not all of us have spare money to donate to campaigns... There are close to 18 million voters for Barack and Hillary each. To assume these voters have a lot of money to throw around to political campaigns is elitist to say the least.

But even if I had spare money, and I don't, I wouldn't give a dime to political campaigns. Elections are bought and paid for by the rich anyway, regardless of party. I don't need to toss my hard earned money towards those who live a life I could only dream of.

another cost of war......

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/20/enemy.within.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Such a sad story....on a brighter it's nice to see Obama having a successful trip....and a warm reception

"imus has moved from mccain to the "undecided" column because "mccain is insane".

ROFL...McCane is toast if he's lost his main butt boy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdj970vqyOU&feature=related

Everyone in this country who votes has at least a dollar fifty. And since 18 million people voted for Clinton, they could retire her debt in five minutes. Funny, but the same people who don't have a lot of money continue to donate to the Obama campaign. Maybe there was a passion gap between Clinton supporters and the candidate?

how ya gonna beat dat...........live with Duck Dunn and Steve Cropper and the Book.........

bye bye.......can you splain exactly how it's any business of YOURS? I do believe mr obama and ms clinton will work it out, dont you?

lol whadda midget.......

mornin' all.

Someone just open the sock drawer? Thought so.

I don't often go back and read weekend posts, but did today because of the comments above. IMHO, Patsi, jack and sturg got that one right.

MD if people want to give their money to campaigns, good for them. No matter which candidate was financially "in the hole" I sure wouldn't contribute.

ET ,
I use to not give, but this year was different for me I wanted Hillary to have everything she needed. So I donated.

I feel very strongly about this election, and I am donating to Obama to help win the White House.... I do not think that makes me an elitist, just someone who really wants change, and this is how I can best help.

( if every one of the 18 million donated 1 bucks = 18 million, I am sure you get the idea Suze Orman would tell you could most likely find that in your sofa, car, or pockets )

Blue & KGC,

That was supposed to say, "The only Green Onions I know about was by Booker T and the M G's."

Bad situation developing in Dubai

Cross-dressing tourists held in Dubai crackdown on 'indecency'
Ian Black, Middle East editor
The Guardian, Friday July 18, 2008
Article history
Foreigners visiting the Gulf tourist hub of Dubai have discovered the limits of tolerance after cross-dressing in the city's shopping malls and other public places.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/18/middleeast.middleeast

I have spoken with a gay friend online who is not a crossdresser, and very macho. I've asked about this situation, and this is what he wrote:

"everyone can help! we need the maximum noise about this witch hunt! we cannot go out. we cannot meet. we cannot have parties. we look over our shoulder every-time we walk outside. we are afraid to post profiles on websites. i am taking huge personal risk and i know that no one will stand for me. so the more noise is out about our situation, the more we will have eyes that will watch out for any disaster. it's true we had a lot of the asian transvestites who work in the country who used to put on make up and dress up more behave more feminie than others... these are terrified. they had to cut their hair short, remove their ear rings, die their hair black again and don't dare to be who they want to be. i certainly don't show that i am gay, but i sure feel threatened and feel bad for the others among us who are discriminated against just because they look different."

I am contacting the International Gay and Lesbian Association (IGLA) about this issue. Please read the article, and I would like to hear suggestions on what can be done to protect people from this kind of harassment and scare tactics.

I'd like to see her debt retired so that she can move on....carrying debt is a burden and a distraction...for anyone...and it seems it would be easy to do, but it's not as of yet getting accomplished. So it remains in th news....when there are so many more important issues taking place.

Katherine,

Thanks for your post regarding what is happening in your local area--sadly it is consistent with too many parts of this country.

But the article does show the grit & resolve that is a marker of our great american spirit.

Would be nice if one of the candidates that want to represent them would offer some real solutions.

Yo Jack, I'm a big Buddleia guy myself. If you ever see a blue one, get it.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/open-thread-monday.html#comment-118140

Tom,
Your post was an excellent presentation that left me understanding exactly why you feel the way you do.

Sturgeone,
Liked the way you described Craig's blog style. And agree with Jack. It's more about the process, in this election and everywhere else too.

I miss Craig (and Nick, Ally, Marcia, lizbeth, viv, Lard, 911 and many more. Maggisd hasn't been around enough either. I'm enjoying those who are here though.

And your ab-psych professor's decription of schizophrenia as being "actually an inability to muster or sustain even one coherent personality" was the best description of schizophrenia that I have ever heard. Made me really think about it. It seemed to explain the disease and it's causes perfectly.

Blue,
Thanks for the excellent links this morning. Can't do more than scan them right now but will finish later.

All GOOD STUFF.
As Lard would say, Carry on!

KGC

I wish we had a way to install a ground source heat pump. It will work in cold weather climates where a regular heat pump won't.

http://www.igshpa.okstate.edu/geothermal/geothermal.htm

The installation is expensive but the monthly bill goes way down.

You either need to be able to drill a well or dig a big trench. neither one will work for us.

Jack

Champ

Our sun garden spots are at a premium. I'm fighting for a spot for my tomatoes as it is. They are great summer shrubs though. My wife was talking about a different colored one to put over by tomatoes.
Jack

OBAMA’S FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

"BREAKING NEWS! Blog contributor, TechDude, has released a long-awaited document that represents a cooperative venture among myself, TechDude, and TexasDarlin. By combining my original analyses along with his own, TechDude has validated what I have been saying since June 19 -- that the images posted on the Daily Kos website, the Obama campaign website, and the FactCheck website are indeed, fakes, frauds, and forgeries. We have demonstrated in our empirically-derived evidence why these images are not genuine, to which the most that our detractors can offer are endless conjectures and ad hominem arguments."

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/07/20/obama’s_fake_birth_certificate_why_i’m_right,_and_they’re_wrong!.thtml

jack, we looked into installing one of those ground source systems last year when we were trying to decide what to replace our 50s era furnaces with and decided after getting back up after the estimate knocked us off our feet to go with energy star gas furnaces and a/c instead. We rejected a conventional heat pump because w're just far enough north that they aren't efficient enough to keep us warm/cool in the season we want to be warm or cool. I think they would have had to put in something close to 300' of trenching to service our house, and that would have been more dog cleaning each night until the grass grew back in than I was willing to tolerate.

It's worth digging up the purple to replace it. No matter, the nursery from which I got mine stopped propagating them, so the ones I have are like gold to me. I wonder how they propagate themselves? I've never seen seeds off of them, and one can't split them. Hmmm.

Sent you a pic.

Racel Maddow--rising star at MSNBC. A good thing.

When I heard Ms. Maddow on Air America I liked her, still do, though I find myself often at odds with her opinions lately.

Interesting to see how she happened upon her career.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/the_cable_tv_rising_star_who_doesnt_own_a_tv_89439.asp#more

Following up on my friend's situation in Dubai, he writes:

"thanks, i appreciate it... i am also trying to get the issue out,,, this has started 4 weeks ago, with a campaign that was front page on a local newspaper. it was the police chief of dubai who announced the campaign... they were targeting universities, shopping malls, and other public areas. the preachers in mosques were encouraged on the following weekend to preach about the campaign and encourage the witch hunt. there were even stupid surveys asking people what they think,,, many had their faces printed and could not say other than they support the cleansing drive. they talk of several 10s of foreign gays that are in detention awaiting deportation!!! horrible! thanks again for your support, we appreciate every person's contribution."

Oh, yeah...

White ones are solid, too. Yellow ones don't put out too many flowers, kind of a dud. Stay away from the red. Just speaking from experience.

GORDO, why is it when one negative about Obama goes the way of the trash can, you just resurrect the other. I am thinking of the Larry Johnson so called Michelle Obama video, and now this birth certificate. Time to change the needle, the record is stuck.

So eat those tomatoes but no hot salsa for ya!
Today's recall:Grande Produce, LTD.CO Recalls Jalapeno Peppers, Serrano Peppers, and Avocados Because of Possible Health Risk (July 19)
Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:00:00 -0500
The Jalapeno Peppers, Serrano Peppers and Avocados were distributed to the following states: TX, DE, NC, GA, OK, IA, MN, IL, FL, IN, MD, NY, MS, AR, KS, and KY. The avocados being recalled were shipped in boxes labeled "Frutas Finas de Tancitaro HASS Avocados, Produce of Mexico," all sizes, with lot number HUE08160090889. The Jalapeno Peppers and Serrano peppers being recalled were shipped in 35lb. plastic crates with no brand name or label.

KGC

Now the fools are messing with my guacamole.

I'm gonna get irritated.
This whole thing has been one wild goose chase after another.

I like to roast Jalapenos on the grill. Most of the ones I usually by at the local price chapper are not too hot. They had some local produce one, whoo are they hot.

Jack

Thanks for that info, Tom -- that is scary stuff.

Champ

A humorous thought occurred to me.. It has to look strange to all the folks we have managed to irritate for a couple of bastards like us to be discussing flowers like two old women at the senior citizens center.
Got the picture btw.
Day lilys are one of those perfect flowers. You plant them and forget about them. They keep comin up year after year with little to no maintance.

Talk to you later.

Jack

lol

You morning people are just too boring for the trolls. They just couldn't stick with it.

Jack

ET

You might like one of my favorite singers of Celtic folk songs

http://www.alexbeaton.com/

Try studying the "info" before being so dismissive. Most people DO believe the MSM, even when what they see and hear tells a different story - it's just too hard to deal with the idea that we live in media-controlled world. There is no point in arguing when one side has no "facts". Are you afraid of what you might learn?

‘Late Registration’ & Out-of-State Births in Hawaii

"I have said that I believe Barack Obama has some kind of Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii.

If there is a BC in Hawaii for Obama, people want to know how that could be if he was born someplace else, as I suspect may be the case.

This is how:

[§338-16] Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

§338-21 Children born to parents not married to each other."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/hawaii-law-on-late-registration-out-of-state-births/

Gordo, WADR, if your boys had anything at all that had merit, who doesn't believe that at a minimum Fox News would put them on to try and smear Obama, and that if it had any legs, it would be picked up and run with by at least one of the conservative rags out there? If neither the right or the left outlets in the MSM aren't interested, I can only assume it's because there's a piece of the story that is going untold at the nutcase sites - and remember, beyond him being a democrat I don't even like Obama.

jack, if boring is what it takes to drive the trolls away, then I say everyone be boring. Anyone got a good recipe for peanut butter pie? lol

now, everyone, I must hit the road - hope it still goes all the way to Cinci.

"Day lilys are one of those perfect flowers."

Ain't that the truth!

Much of what we know about Barack Obama's personal history is from one source - Barack Obama. Explain the Mercer Island visit by a new 18 year old mother - traveling alone from Hawaii with a two - three week old infant. Guess she just had too much free time.

Why would the Right Wing (RW media included) want to use very damaging info on Obama now? That could result in the nomination of Hillary. Wait until October.

The Left Wing (LW media included) has protected BO and MO.

What is Obama hiding? Most of us have had to prove date and place of birth with a BC. But Obama, it is only his word and some "fake" COLB images on the net.

GORDO,

Do you realize that while you've been pissing into the wind with this whole Obama thing that if you listened to me and bought Fannie Mae stock last Tuesday, you would have more than doubled your investment?

"The Politico points out that Obama raised $25 million on the last day of June alone"

~~~~~~~Gee, I wonder how that happened?~~~~~~

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/all-aboard-the-trip-to-unity/

Jack

Patsi

And several others that sound a lot like Bye-Bye ?

Jack

Yeah Gordo,

You should spend more time shifting money around while producing nothing. What an idiot you must be. God bless America.

By the way,

My theme for today is the Prodigal Son. I had the opportunity to reconnect with my former karate instructor this past weekend after 23 years. It was nice to see my contemporaries have all aged well and have grown so much since our paths last crossed.

I was amazed at how much I missed TSD and the positve energy it promotes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP11NdY8xmQ

sturg said..."imus has moved from mccain to the "undecided" column because "mccain is insane"."

That is very good news, indeed, sturg! I'll have to go watch my tivo'd Imus....

EdVB - Hey! Green onions are spring onions aka scallions.

Has anyone ever actually made the Ritz cracker mock apple pie?

corey - Don't worry. By the next reunion many will probably be divorced and whining about their teenagers. I've never gone to a reunion; I'm still somewhat in touch with most of the people I would care to know & the rest are were strangers now & then. I hope you had fun & saw some humor in it.

Champ

IMO, What bear is doing is reasonable, although a bit risky. I wouldn't be betting the food money on it. But if it is money you can kiss good by without crying too much. Go for it.

Jack

Ah, but you wouldn't recognize me there anyway. So how do you know if I'm there or not?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/open-thread-monday.html#comment-118182

Beginning to look like a Dust Bowl without the dust, ain't it, katy crack? And without an FDR....

Yeah, but his implication was that social activism is a foolish endeavor while arbitrage is a more worthwhile pursuit. I just have to wonder why everyone is trying to shout down Gordo, all of the sudden. Pissing into the wind indeed. Very hot wind.

"And several others that sound a lot like Bye-Bye ?"

Yep -- the whole batch.

Whisky,

With regards to Fannie and Freddie,

Buying the stocks then was akin to betting on a sporting event and being guaranteed to pick the winner.

It never made sense that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were getting beaten up because by definition, Sub Prime mortgages and Alt-A mortgages were loans that didn't conform to the Fannie or Freddie guidelines. That means that their exposure to the seriously underperforming loans was mitigated.

ALL OF A SUDDEN?

right...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121664370370270061.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

"Tropical Storm Dolly is on track to hit southern Texas mid-week, potentially as a weak hurricane. Dolly isn't expected to threaten the main oil-producing section of the U.S. Gulf, but is garnering attention as the first storm to come close this year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSN2142079120080721

"Shell Oil Co began flying workers from platforms in the western Gulf of Mexico on Sunday ahead of Tropical Storm Dolly, but said no production was shut..."

Re: The cost of goods - Has anyone started stockpiling when they see a good deal?

...and, no, I don't want to make a Ritz cracker "apple" pie, I just want to know if anyone has because in what way is a cracker anything like an apple?

crunchy

Republican talking head commenting on Malaki statements sounding a lot like Obama schedule:

"I'm sure more people will put more faith in the commanders on the ground about conditions than they do in the Iraqi government."

Say what? So much for being there by invitation of the Iraqi government.

Loved hearing the WH "time horizon of aspirational goals" being called the kind of statement you hear at a middle management retreat where people are thinking outside the box. :-)

And several others that sound a lot like Bye-Bye ?"

Yep -- the whole batch.

Posted by: Patsi | July 21, 2008 12:45 PM

Well if comparing ALL of us to Mr DEM and Bye Bye? Well on behalf of all of us, Thanks. Last nights rumble was pretty interesting and logical. Not trollish at all. I just think your version of "Trolling" is a bit exagerated.

BTW Patsi, Thanks for the support. We really like having you read us everyday.

its very neighborly of you!

Bear
The problem at the time, at least for long term investment, is what form was the bailout going to take. If they take the assetts and roll them into another entity of the same name then you will be screwed.
I agree, with most of what you say but great reward carries risk and you are betting on some government persons decision. It is a good bet for money you don't need to survive.

Jack

"Well if comparing ALL of us to Mr DEM and Bye Bye?"

Sheila, you might consider taking a reading comprehension class. I was referring to the troll element.

My whole thought about the Hillary debt is that it will get quietly retired around the time of the convention. There will be so much fundraising going on that they will be able to direct a portion of what will surely be a huge amount to get her taken care of.

If not, Bill can hit the road for a couple of months worth of speeches and ice it that way.

Could the Obama people get any smarmier? Give me some odds, Bear; I'm going long.

Jeb Bush, Of course!

"Well if comparing ALL of us to Mr DEM and Bye Bye?"

The "whole bunch" comment was in regard to several disruptive posters here that one would think they would have a natural home over there. Yet for some mysterious reason, they don't post over there.

Hum, I wonder why?

Jack

At last, Gordo, you've latched on to something else besides BO's BC. Yes, I had the same thought about it being a Romney/Huckabee ticket if McCain left do to "health" reasons. Of course, I had the same thought about Cheney leaving due to his mechanical heart & W putting in someone to give the new veep an air of authority before the election...back when W wasn't a complete, political albatross.

Jack,

I had the same concern as you but once the President assured that they were going to stay private, I realized that the stock would be safe.

I think it's a bit curious that all of this occurred right before most of the big banks announced huge earning for this quarter...

Can't get over the BC's fixation with Mrs Obama's debt. Not that I've especially been searching for press reports, etc., I've heard her say nothing about the subject of her debt beyond the email I received back in June.

I, of course, have done my moral share in helping her retire it as she was doing my bidding.

I've never seriously considered looking at the BC. Figure I get a pretty good reflection of the carping going on there from the its participants' actions here.

"President assured that they were going to stay private"

Good point.

Jack

Oh, gee, that should have been Mrs Clinton's debt.

Obama COLB is a Forgery [UPDATE]

"With the KOS image all it really takes to dispel the document’s authenticity is to find real documents from the same time frame, make some visual comparisons, and then make a few phone calls. Having a fully equipped forensics lab with specialized software just validates the visual observations and helps to drive home the point that the KOS image is nothing more than an “artist’s” rendition of a COLB.

By first separating the certificate issue dates into their various date groups it is apparent that the pre-2006 certificates have a different security border design than the more recent 2006 through 2008 design. This is the first visual indication that the KOS image is not authentic since it’s border design does not fit into any of the known groups.

However once you assemble known good certificates from the same time frame the differences become painfully apparent that the KOS image is not authentic."

Much more:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/techdude-obama-colb-is-a-forgery/#more-771

"Asides from Patsi's desire to stir up trouble why are we even discussing the BC here? "

Well, let's see. You posted an invitation to read Hipster's article. I read it and posted a complimentary comment about it. So I guess it's Hipster's fault. :)

I believe the discussion was why do some people behave like my neighbors dog down on the corner,

Anyway, I believe the answers are both similar; it's their basic nature mto behave that way.

Jack

Flatus

I believe the large debt that the Obama's carried was the one from the failed attempt to run for congress. That all disappeared after he became a senator with friends.

Jack

"you really do need to rein your ego in a bit. You're no smarter or better than anyone else here, " hw

I disagree with you.
I think Jack is smarter and better.

WADR, Chloe, I think you're wrong about Jack.

I don't think any RESPECT was included in your statement about Jack. So you needn't show me any either.

Trust me, Chloe, there was none. Respect has to be earned, and when you interject yourself into my conversations, you don't exactly engender same.

"Yep -- the whole batch." -Patsi

harborwoman,
What does WADR mean?
I'm not interested in your respect.
And I'll interject myself into anything I want on a public blog.

harbor -- I said the "whole batch" in response to Jack's saying: "several others that sound a lot like Bye-Bye ?"

Do you think every person on the BC sounds like Bye Bye?

WADR = with all due respect

I couldn't see that ANY was due. And frankly, Chloe, when that phrase is used, it usually indicates that the user is not feeling very respectful of the person to whom they are speaking.

I can see that you feel free to interject yourself into anything you want on a public blog. Just please realize that you may not always get a positive response. Especially when someone thinks your interjection is empty, vapid, and ignorant. Which is what I thought of your interjection.

HW

Today, yes I'm smarter than you.
Go back and point to me one place that we talked about anybody that was a member of the back channel.
That was the discussion.
None of them are over there.

Or are you telling me I'm right when I say they are sockpuppets who only post here for the purpose of disrupting things.

And I don't give a damn wheather you like me or not

Jack

, when that phrase is used, it usually indicates that the user is not feeling very respectful of the person to whom they are speaking. fhw

Oh, you mean like sarcasm. Right?

"Do you think every person on the BC sounds like Bye Bye?" -Patsi

I don't think it matters, Patsi. The point I'm trying to make is that I think it's fruitless and silly to do this every f*ing day.

"Especially when someone thinks your interjection is empty, vapid, and ignorant. Which is what I thought of your interjection."

Jeezus! Time to go. This just got completely ugly.

"Today, yes I'm smarter than you." -Jack

WADR, I disagree...for today and most likely every day.

No, Patsi, it just got completely honest.

HW

You can't defend your attacks can you. I laid the point out. You can't defend it.

That says it all

Jack

Patsi

Do you notice who is ugly
Again

Jack

Jack...

Now I must question your reading comprehension. My initial words were not an attack, though now I seem to be in the middle of a bit of a donnybrook, for I have dared to disagree with you.

"you really do need to rein your ego in a bit. You're no smarter or better than anyone else here". Harborwoman

Actually, Jack, I will hang around long enough to complete this to my satisfaction. Your need to have the last word on everything that is said is part of what I mean when I say you make it difficult to enjoy your company...even on this blog.

Statement of fact, IMO, Chloe.

That was for you.

you make it difficult to enjoy your company...even on this blog.
Posted by: harborwoman Author Profile Page | July 21, 2008 2:04 PM

I enjoy his company.

Miss Interjection...

I assume that you enjoy Jack's company. I was speaking of how I feel when he turns into the sock puppet he so decries and begins to behave like a much younger male personage than he actually is.

Jack, please don't take this to heart.
Gotta go.

HW
you made a startment that was factually incorrect
You were corrected by at least three people.

In your response to me you chose again to make a statement that was factually incorrect and included an attack.
You have yet to correct yourself. Instead you launched a series of attacks on various people pointing out you mistakes.

Neither my response nor any one else's has come to the level of the attacks you made on me.
At this time you have no credibility, IMO

Jack

Which sock puppet would that be HW

Chloe

The secret is to ignore the jerk.
Talk to the people you like and leave the rest alone
Don't bother defending me from.
The only reason some come in here any more is to defend their little brother and now , it looks like, the Sock puppet trolls. I have strong opinions on both so it is me they attack.

Jack

Chloe
That should read
"The secret is to ignore the jerks"

there are more than one of them.
As you know.

Jack

Chloe
The secret is to ignore the jerk.
Talk to the people you like and leave the rest alone whiskyjack

Jack,
I know all of that.
I had time to do a lot of thinking.

I didn't really defend you. I just said the truth.
That's what they want, isn't it? A discussion.
I wasn't even arguing. I was stating fact.

"The morning conversation does tend to be quite pleasant (not this morning as the leftovers from last night seem to have been left over). If you pop in early and just shoot the breeze, you will see what I mean."

Jamie...I read the conversations daily. I often make no comment because what's posted is so repetitive. Which is what I mean. The same comments about how pleasant it is without the 'others' are made virtually every morning. It becomes an echo chamber.

Jack...

You, Chloe and Patsi are welcome to interpret my opinions in any way you like. I truly don't consider giving my opinion an attack. However, I've said nothing here today that I don't really feel, so if my comments feel like an attack to you, then I suppose to you - they are. So be it.

right back at ya.

"That's what they want, isn't it?"

*gently* LOL

No I don't believe so.

I am not for sure they want to face the truth
when dealing with some people the truth is the last thing you want to tell them. It often conflicts with some valude belief and they will die before they will give up that belief. How strong that is in this case I have no clue. But there is a very strong tribalism at stake for HW and others IMO.

Jack

Chloe

Got business to take care of
catch you later.

Jack

bye

Getting pretty hot on the old trail today.

Bowmanc's Trail Tip #3

Always drink upstream from the herd.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/open-thread-monday.html#comment-118347

Got a mirror?

Let's all grab some chains and knives, head to the beach, and settle this the old-fashioned way. Losers buy winners taffy.

I'd better bring my A-game. Don't think too many have my back.

...then bring your wallet.

Wow, you are really bad at this. Don't you have a Rasmussen poll to cite?

Ok, truce. Enough silliness for now.

Champ,

Unlike most of your remarks, the Rasmussen polls are useful.

Don't mix it up with me, Jamie; I'll eat you for breakfast. Leave it to the masochist. I said truce.

Forensics Expert: Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery

"... several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. ... I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices.

When asked if he had seen the KOS images on-line he replied that he had – and that there is “no way” they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions.

While many people will continue to make excuses for the appearance of the KOS image no one has been able to locate or to supply another image that is graphically identical to the KOS certificate."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/forensics-expert-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

Well, I can see nothing has changed over the past six months or so. Carry on!

Come before 10 am if you want an adult discussion and anything goes after 6pm Inbetween who knows.
But that seems to be the way it works now.

Jack

'I believe that either today or tomorrow -- and I'm not privy to his schedule -- Sen. Obama will be landing in Iraq with some other senators who make up a congressional delegation,' MCain told a campaign fund-raising luncheon."-
JM shares Obama's tripdetails at a public fundfraiser

Psst! Hey AQ, Here's your chance to take out the guy.
I guess he's no better at keeping secrets even if he's not being tortured.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080718/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_obama_dc_2

Sup bro?

You're sounding mighty black these days. LOL!

UB

It might be nice if some of those topics were brought up here. If you want a conversation, broach a topic for discussion.

Jamie,
I was talking about the threads....by the guest bloggers...This is Craigs Blog, he write the lead.....I have brought things up, but like I say if it isn't what the "day longer's" want it gets ignored or dissed.

Here is a topic. There has been a lot of noise on the news channels today about the NY Times rejecting a McCain Op Ed because it wasn't specific, just filled with platitudes.

This got blown up on Drudge as Media bias by both the NY Times and the TV coverage of the rejection.

If you do a google search on McCain and NY Times, you get scads of references to it and all the blogs that are yakking about it pro and con.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS211US212&q=McCain+NY+Times+rejection

So is there media bias in the coverage of Obama and campaign? Are the blogs nothing but echo chambers depending on their slant? How much of this is time filler on the cable channels to avoid covering real news?

Take your piece of the issue and have a go at it.

UB

The crowd rarely spends more than an hour on Craig's basic topic before heading into other items. Anyplace that has room for recipes and you tube has room for questions and ideas. Just throw it out there. If it gets discussed or dissed at least you contributed something.

Last day to vote on the final pair in the Veepstakes

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS211US212&q=McCain+NY+Times+rejection

Oops wrong link. Here's the Veepstakes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24672458/

NYT REJECTS MCCAIN'S EDITORIAL; SHOULD 'MIRROR' OBAMA
Mon Jul 21 2008 12:00:25 ET

An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES -- less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The paper's decision to refuse McCain's direct rebuttal to Obama's 'My Plan for Iraq' has ignited explosive charges of media bias in top Republican circles.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnym.htm

Obama Ditches The American Flag

"Barack Obama used donations to refurbish and repaint his campaign plane, and has removed the flag of the United States from the tail of the plane.

This means, of course, that the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Germany, and other countries will see a plane without an American flag — a plane on which the sole symbol is all about one man. Barack: Afghans and Iraqis won’t be voting for you in November. But they will notice that you failed to represent yourself as a proud American citizen while you are abroad. We’ve noticed too.

Not only is his plane’s symbolism unpatriotic, it is also narcissistic."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-ditches-the-american-flag/

Hi Chloe, you still here?

viv

Limited in political conversation the TM blog.NO!! imo.I also very much enjoy the guest posts on the Back Channel blog!!! The comments there a very informative as well.I have learned alot about Politics and World issues on TM .Its very important for me since i have given up the cable news channels and all their biased reporting....Thanks all and keep throwing out new topics to discuss this place is up for it........

Jamie,

You woke a sleeping puma by linking that google page. :-)

Chloe: It's been rough .. everything seems to be flaring up, arthritis/fibro/stenosis .. plus, been locked out of here since Friday afternoon .. I tried posting, b ut a message kept coming up telling me that it was being sent to Craig for his approvel .. groan

viv

My son has been emailing me about the NYT rejection of McCain's Op-Ed. I haven't had time to read it yet, but it's good to know the Times still has standards.

Sounds like the McCain camp chose to cry foul rather than come up with an acceptable re-write. I'd tell my kids that's a lazy way out, but it might be a good strategy for Senator McCain. He can at least score points with his detractors on the right for not caving in to the NYT.

If he eventually does come up with a rebuttal piece, this dust up will bring more attention to it.

From a Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/20/AR2008072001190.html

"Clinton has continued to raise money and Obama has asked that his donors help her as well to reduce her debt. Clinton owed $5.3 million to her senior adviser and pollster Mark Penn, but aides to Clinton said she first intends to pay off small vendors owed money by the campaign."

(snip)

My opinion is this: If Mark Penn was at all a decent man he'd realize all the bum advice he gave to the Clinton campaign and forgive the remaining debt. Hasn't he already gotten richer beyond belief from the campaign? You see, this is exactly why I REFUSE to contribute money to political campaigns. Penn might not have received his full paycheck, but he has a HELLUVA lot more money than I ever WILL !!

Nobody in their right mind would come in here and be an advocate for McCain. They would be butchered. It would however, allow all the Obamatrons and Clintonistas to unite against a common enemy, a Republican.

And there you have it from the Amen corner!

I think it's only reasonable that the op-ed be coordinated with, and approved by, the Obama Campaign. To not do so would be exceedingly disrespectful.

Actually, I don't see anything wrong in the way he wrote it. Let it stand on its own merits and the voters can evaluate its substance compared with Mr Obama's submission.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnym.htm

As to the McCain rejected NYT op-ed article.

"Let it stand on its own merits and the voters can evaluate its substance compared with Mr Obama's submission." (courtesy of Flatus)

A reasoned & reasonable solution.

Whether it is an ad or an op-ed is at best in the eye of the beholder.

Jamie asks: So is there media bias in the coverage of Obama & this campaign?

Here's another of those pesky polls: It would seem that perhaps more & more people believe there is.

A new Rasmussen poll (automated suvey of 1000 likely voters)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11912.html

49% believe reporters would favor Obama in their coverage this fall, compared with 14% who expected them to boost McCain.

Only 24% now trust the press to report on the election w/o bias.

Not surprisingly Republicans believe coverage is slanted-78% saying media would try to assist Obama

Only 21% of Democrats suspected similar bias in favor of McCain.

Hillary Clinton

An Outrageous Attempt by the Bush Administration to Undermine Women's Rights
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hillary-clinton/an-outrageous-attempt-by_b_114064.html

Senator Clinton speaks out about Bush efforts to send women back to the stone age.

Katherine,

There's a video of Hillary speaking out on this issue at TalkLeft. And yes, she has grown into an extremely effective as well as passionate speaker on issues of importance to many of us.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/21/172159/942

While we wait for the election, the Shrubs continue their destructive path.

"The current outrage.

The Bush administration is moving forward with a weakened version of a rule requiring the government to release lists naming stores that receive meat products subject to recall.

Unlike the original proposal submitted two years ago, the rule announced Friday July 11, would apply only to certain recalls and would not have come into play during the recent Chino meat scandal, which resulted in the largest beef recall in United States history. "

Unbelievably in the press release, the FDA said they were issuing the rule to help restore confidence in food inspection programs.

ps Re: salmonella out reak- It looks like it was jalapenos afterall but the exact source of the recent salmonella scare is still not known.
The FDA is taking comments on their Food Safety Plan until 7/30 --let them know what you think about their efforts.

Wait, after dropping out of the race, Hillary had to loan her campaign one million dollars to keep ahead of the bills. That brings her total to $13 million. Come on you Clintonites! You mean you guys can't help her? You can't call your friends? What about the Nobama ones? You guys were all so passionate back then...

"Memories..."

Coreen
Thanks for the link. I'm kind of stunned at the backward march the DNC is taking in their outreach to evangelicals. Not surprising the one place both Obama and Mccain have agreed to appear in Rick Warren's church.

I have always wanted to live in Nelson, BC

Mr As-h-le the one trick pony is back
Can the sock drawer be far behind

Just had a few minutes to leaf through _THE_ issue of the New Yorker (it didn't arrive here until Saturday).

I wasn't bothered by the cover.

But, the photograph on pages 88-89 of that magazine was unnecessarily brutal and lurid. It is an in-your-face scene of gratuitous carnality complements of Sylvia Plachy in Alex Ross' review of Zimmermann's opera 'Die Soldaten', The New Yorker, July 21, 2008.

So far as 'military' musical works is concerned, Stravinsky's 'L'Histoire du Soldat' conveys the essence of all that is important and relevant.

Also, does anyone here, besides me, subscribe to the Wilson Quarterly?

Katherine,

Don't believe in mixing religion/politics/government.

And I have a deep aversion to these megachurch preachers/televangalists of any kind--to me its all "brother love's traveling salvation show".

ohboyohbotohboyohboyohboyohboy

I like Jack, too. I don't think anyone was asked to leave TM for BC . I did read several comments that wondered why some people just don't stay there. I kinda asked the same question in, I think, the last few days. I didn't really get answers, but think I understand it a little.

The reason anyone blogs here is that it makes him/her
feel good. I can't say why anyone derives pleasure from what I consider dis-pleasure, but I'm not going to go there. It would give me dis-pleasure.

Harborwoman - I noticed once before that you're not afraid to snap, but my basic opinion of you has always been that you are a calm gentle person who doesn't call names or make personal attacks. That makes two people now who have suddenly shown different sides to their personalities. I wonder if that's in the very nature of blogging.

Anyway, HW, do you really read TM everday and find it tiotally boring but say so little? How can you stand that? I don't think it's boring, but that's just me. I find the insults boring so I scroll thru them, and I'm even getting to the point where I check ALL names before I read.

Champ & Jack - I like your discussions re the plants, and I thought your pix were great, Jack. Champ, I wasn't being mean when I told you not to tell me I was a fool for donating - I was trying to be a little funny.

KGC - can you believe this weather? Do you know we broke a record Fri night/Sat morn? It got down to 44 in downtown SR, which means here in Rincon Valley and definitely out where you are, it was colder than that.
I sure hope we don't pay for this in August and September!

Flatus,

Oh, that's nothing. Long before it Sylvia Plachy brought the world the exceptionally gratuitious Adrian Brody. (Who used to set their house on fire.)

Also... make some room for the all too universal Wozzeck, okay?

Logan: "Do you have any doubts?"

Obama: "Never."

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Oh, and Obama will be on Nightline tonite in an interview in Iraq with Terry Moran

Full context...

Logan: "Okay, last question: There is a perception that you lack experience in world affairs."

Obama: "Right."

Logan: "Is this trip partly aimed at overcoming that concern, that, you know, there are doubts among some Americans that you could lead the country at war as commander in chief from day one?"

Obama: "You know, the interesting thing is that the people who are very experienced in foreign affairs, I don't think have those thoughts. The troops that I've been meeting with over the last several days, they don't seem to have those doubts. The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to ten years.

"It's important for me to have a relationship with them early, that I start listening to them now, getting a sense of what their interests and concerns are, because one of the shifts in foreign policy that I want to execute as president is giving the world a clear message that America intends to continue to show leadership, but our style of leadership is going to be less unilateral, that we're going to see our role as building partnerships around the world that are of mutual interest to the parties involved. And I think this gives me a head start in that process."

Logan: "Do you have any doubts?"

Obama: "Never."

9/11,

"Wozzeck, okay?" Okay!

"The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to ten years." -BO

Getting ANY clearer yet? At all? Hello?

"Getting ANY clearer yet? At all? Hello?"

Yes, it's clear that he must reimburse DoD for cost of the trip as its primary purpose was not Senatorial oversight.

boop
People were wearing coats and sweaters this morning when I was out walking the dog. Although we paddled Friday night and it was pretty nice - no wind.

Coreen

Your comment re religion in politics -- me too!

Flatus,

No doubt!

"Military music"

Victory at Sea and Lt.Kije Suite.

Champ et al

He's allowed to go on talking to them after leaving the presidency. Former President Clinton still does and it has been more than two years for him.

Wow.

He's speaking as if his 'election' was a foregone conclusion. Well, he certainly knows more than I.

The game is rigged. Wake up. Please.

One way to look at a possible VP choice for Sen. Obama.

Whomever he picks will be President of the Senate. They will have to be someone who can be trusted to present the President's wishes, even if they have reservations, and assist in negotiating getting those programs passed.

It has to be someone who can counsel in private and support totally in public whatever their own opinion.

What Pelosi Doesn't Get About Persuasion

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-reardon/what-pelosi-doest-get-abo_b_114129.html

While I'm right on board with the need to beat John McCain, party unity is a matter of persuasion, not accusations of insubordination. Berating women who are still supporting for vice president a candidate who won half the Democratic presidential nominee votes and, as Barack Obama says, took us all another step further in breaking through the political glass ceiling, is not the way to persuade them or anyone to vote for Obama. It's counterproductive.

Jamie,

No doubt!

I just got mentioned on Road to the White House. At least something went right.

My Gordo Moment...

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/18/has-puma-met-its-match/

As elements of this group would say, "The EVIL Jamie!" :)

Other elements would say, "The LIVE one" :)

"Other elements would say, "The LIVE one" :)"

Me included. Good on you!

I like that. The McCain campaign about the media:

"They are treating us like a speed bump on the road to history".

The McCain folks may be right.

There's something soothing or reassuring about seeing Obama 'over there' talking with 'those people'.

tt

Tip, I felt the same way. Looked like he was comfortable and right where he wanted to be too.

Radovan Karadzic has been caught - remember that creep in Serbia? I really really hated that man - he's one of the three or four on my list. Hope his heart is healthy.

Coreen & KGC - absolute agreement on religion and politics. That's one opinion that's etched in my soul.
At John Ashcroft's nomination hearing, a prof emeritus from U of Chicago said that in his view, separation of church and state is America's greatest gift to the world.
Ashcroft had worked to get lower fire safety standards for paroachial schools in MO - amazing, huh?

Obama and the Mirror of Erised

"Barack Obama brags about being a blank screen onto which people can project their beliefs. He claims he can be anything to anyone. Since when is being a human Rorschach test some kind of virtue?

It gets worse. Now, Obama is playing his shtick on desperate Afghans.

According to John Nichols at The Nation, Obama has been meeting with tribal lords and promising them roses and sunshine:

Apparently, The One is running around countries harboring suicidal terrorists and telling them he’ll give them anything they want. IS HE OUT OF HIS MIND? There are consequences if his alleged promises never come to fruition - PEOPLE WILL DIE

Here’s what I know. Confidence men succeed by promising their victims what they desire. They’re “blank screens.”

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-the-mirror-of-erised/

Sheila, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way.

In a sense, it is change.

tt

Tip,

you are experiencing a tad bit of "Real Obama" the Military Fed the Press not the other way around.

Which means, even though they didn't like it, there was no sway in shooting or cuting footage. They shot all three Senators alike and showed the military men and women in a good light. Showed Obama reacting to the young men and women. Who are his contstituents too. I'm sure they were from Illinios the other day. Thats a usual practice for Congressional Junckets.

In a lot of ways the Military SHooters are much better at objective shooting than the Nets anymore.

Andrea Mitchell was not happy. I was.

Tip,

you are experiencing a tad bit of "Real Obama" the Military Fed the Press not the other way around.

Which means, even though they didn't like it, there was no sway in shooting or cuting footage. They shot all three Senators alike and showed the military men and women in a good light. Showed Obama reacting to the young men and women. Who are his contstituents too. I'm sure they were from Illinios the other day. Thats a usual practice for Congressional Junckets.

In a lot of ways the Military SHooters are much better at objective shooting than the Nets anymore.

Andrea Mitchell was not happy. I was.

bethy said...
"Harborwoman - I noticed once before that you're not afraid to snap, but my basic opinion of you has always been that you are a calm gentle person who doesn't call names or make personal attacks. That makes two people now who have suddenly shown different sides to their personalities. I wonder if that's in the very nature of blogging.

Anyway, HW, do you really read TM everday and find it tiotally boring but say so little? How can you stand that? I don't think it's boring, but that's just me. I find the insults boring so I scroll thru them, and I'm even getting to the point where I check ALL names before I read."

bethy, bethy, bethy...

A..I didn't snap; I merely gave my opinion of a habit some here indulge in day after endless day.

B. Yes, I read the comments made here every day...unless life intrudes and I need to be elsewhere. Even then, I usually catch up by going back and starting where I left off. I skip posts by selected posters. I lurk more now than I used to because it's become a less tolerant environment during this election season. There are some bullies here now who are enabled by many of you, but who appear to either not recognize their own behavior or to revel in it. I think the 'boring' description was yours, not mine.

C. Perhaps you should assess whatever it is in your personality that makes you feel qualified to assess those of any of us who 'displease' you with our posts.

D. Why did you feel compelled to dredge this up again? It was over hours ago, and could have been left there....

,,,,LOL....Well I guess I burped. Excuse me ;0)

Hey Harborwoman,

Good to see you again!

I'm not sure everyone here feels that way, but thank you, Chef Sheila. It's good to be here.

Bethy is just new here. She doesn't know yours or my long and varied history here. The joys and the fun we had here and the sadness we feel at times for the subtle "Pricks" given out evertime we try to make a point.

She only knows what she has read for the past month.

The military shoots footage equally. The media decides what footage they will carry. Hegel and Reed will probably show THEIR footage to their constituents because it is doubtful the networks will show much of it.

This is NOT a slap at Sen. Obama. He is doing well on the trip, looks good meeting with both country leaders and the troops. The only problem is that he is still not taking any questions or doing any press briefings. While I still think he is the better man to receive my vote, I am bothered that he doesn't seem to want to deal with off the cuff questioning.

Jamie,

He said he wouldn't. He said there was only one president. This campaign advisors said he was there are a junior senator.

I'm glad he didn't. Let it start with the Press in Jordon. There is time enough for that. But since they are on Military prperty in military terms and they were shooting the footage, he wasn't going to who the Commander In Chief up.

Nothing to be concerned about and I'd say in another's country and while on a Military Base. Diplomacy and Patience is always best.

BTW,

The media is doing a fine job of showing the footage. But UTUBE is doing a great job. Its out there.

And what was that other medium? Wikio

Irony is dead.

21 Jul 2008 08:19 pm
Obama Concedes That Surge Didn't Go As He Expected
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

Irony is dead.

Posted by: anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:18 PM

Well....the latest McCain add blaming Obama for High Gas prices is a sad bit of irony.

And to cart it out during his Iraq trip with Al Maliki reiterating Iraqs wishes for withdrawl....

Good Interview with Terry Moran. Honest and anoter aspect of not trying to pull the wool over the public's eyes.

Is that the Nightline interview tonight?

Senator Hagel Positions

http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=231

Senator Reed Positions

http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=27060

Impressive school...no tuition, serves only low-income students....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/education/21endowments.html?th&emc=th

http://thesanctuary.soapblox.net/

Harborwoman,

I great prototype for what can be done and what may happen again. Great article. Thanks for highlighting.

Anonymous,
you chicken shit -get your own name!

wringing hands.....who to believe, who to believe......the one withthe key or the one without?

BTW, whoever posted the "Sanctuary" bog link. Interesting. I'll read more soon.

Hey both of you
I was here first

Sheila,

There are exactly two names for Veep that I consider acceptable: Biden and Clinton

Anything else would be a big judgement question for me. I would still vote for him, but suspicions would be lurking.

Watching re-run of Countdown, Obama looks good! He seems to be very comfortable in Iraq...

If your not Anon-Paranoid then no I don't believe you were. There have been an infinite number of Anonymous here on Craigs Blog, but the number uno ala #1 is still and remains Anon-P who finally got a key.

So why don't you find another one and get a key. You are already welcome if you want to.

Jamie,

I have come to sincerely respect Obama's judgement. I know we are going to be pleasantly surprised as time goes by. He's smart and he's humble enough to know how to fill in any persceived weakness.

106 days until election, I may be off a day or two....but that time will fly by so, so fast.........I wish they would hurry up and pick Veeps! I'd like to go to at one rally.....this summer

Hi Burrito.

Yes and KO's unwinding of the spin was refreshing. I learned a lot tonight on Countdown. Love it when I learn something knew.

It's only getting more exciting....Go Obama!

McCain must be really steaming, I hear he has quite a temper.

his temper has been caught on tape. Might be interesting to see if they have found their way on UTUBE

Iraq / Pakistan border....omg McCain.........geez.... he should have note cards if he can't remember what to say...McCain would be better off, laying low....(imo)

He's smart and he's humble enough to know how to fill in any persceived weakness.

Posted by: Chef Sheila

Logan: "Do you have any doubts?"

Obama: "Never."

Burrito,

I kind of feel badly for him. These gaffs are really bad ones. I just don't remember McCain ever doing this badly. Its like the 1997 campaign and a revisit of the Bob Dole gaffs. In any case I am sorry for his blunders. A poor showing for such a patriot.

You know all he has to do, is take the first step in establishing a level of respect for everyone involved and then listen....I bet he does very well....he isn't the president, so he is just there to learn, no need to project.....just collect information....short and sweet visit...

Politically Tone Deaf, Morally Bereft; The Cowardly Obama Campaign Strikes Again

"For someone who is running on his great judgment, he seems to exercise none.

Senator Obama’s endless gaffes and misstatements, his blunders and the well of seemingly never ending arrogance are given grateful audience by his supporters and unfathomable political cover from mainstream news outlets and the Party powerful.

A good friend said to me today, a cruise ship is slow to turn. I’m still waiting for all those aboard this particular Titanic to change course."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/19/politically-tone-deaf-morally-bereft-the-cowardly-obama-campaign-strikes-again/

He's smart and he's humble enough to know how to fill in any persceived weakness.

Posted by: Chef Sheila

Logan: "Do you have any doubts?"

Obama: "Never."

Posted by: Bush Redux | July 21, 2008 10:16 PM

Ah but to me, there is a difference between being very sure of certain about Afganistan and Iraq. But in that interview, he had the humility to admit that political points in Iraq has changed and reasoned that as a president he would have to be fluid.

bethy/coreen

Re: Religion in politics. This stuff makes me a bit nervous.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/who-needs-eggheads-by-digby-im-under.html

http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/the-dnc-and-the-voodoo-chicken-cure-for-cancer/

Well time for me to settle in with a salad and some boob tube.

Night all!

What's painful about today?

I'm not for McCain, just against Obama.

The American people have VERY short memories.

Gordo,
If you are against Obama, but not for McCain, what is your purpose? your goal?

see ya Shelia....enjoy

Haven't heard Cleland complain:

Cleland is registered to lobby for a company whose products are aimed at helping soldiers recover more quickly from battlefield injuries, Tissue Regeneration Technologies.

“Sen. Cleland is definitely not doing lobbying work. He gives speeches and campaigns for a few friends, but mostly he’s spending his time taking care of his father," said Cleland advisor John Marshall, who said that Tissue Regeneration Technologies was the only company on whose behalf he lobbies.

He declined to comment on the incident in Atlanta.

In a brief telephone interview, Cleland also declined to comment on his treatment by the campaign.

"I’m pretty much retired from politics," he said. "I don’t really want to get into that at all."

But Cleland told others he was unpleasantly surprised when, after an invitation to the event for Obama — whom he supports — he was told at the last minute by an Obama aide that he wouldn't be welcome.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Obama_disinvited_lobbyist_Cleland.html

No you're not. And it was a pretty good day.

Do I have to spell it out?

Thanks Burrito (with a mouthfull of salad) here is an article about the July 8th.

its fair to say that the campaign was being too sensitive maybe. But as critical as the other side has been, I guess I understand. It was a decision that had the best interests of the campaign in mind and Obama understood that.

But then so did Max Cleland in the last sentance of the article.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Obama_disinvited_lobbyist_Cleland.html

Sen. Obama has nothing but respect for Sen. Cleland's service to our country and appreciates his support," he said.

UPDATE: A Cleland spokeswoman says he was invited by a friend, not the campaign itself, and has no hard feelings..

The answer to the question.

This didn't get posted, so it is about half-an- hour or so out of th time line, but I worked hard at it, so will post it anyway. boop

Harborwoman - I had just read all of that before I answered, so answered what I had read. I had not intended to dredge it all up again. I had a comment to make, and I made it.

As to whether or not you snapped, I was referring to your advice to Jack to rein in his ego a bit, and that you stated that you had no respect for another poster or what she said. I think simply that you and I interpret things differently. Maybe it was a snap or a jab, but I interpret telling someone to rein in his ego as a slap down or a criticism that's all. Maybe you meant it as friendly advice - I do not know. I didn't interpret it that way. If you did intend that as friendly advice, rather than correcting him, I am sorry - I mis-interpreted.

It's been mentioned quite a few times here that that is a danger with communicating without having facial exoressions and the sounds of voices to aid in understanding.

"C. Perhaps you should assess whatever it is in your personality that makes you feel qualified to assess those of any of us who 'displease' you with our posts."

"I can't say why anyone derives pleasure from what I consider dis-pleasure, but I'm not going to go there. It would give me dis-pleasure."

I wasn't talking about anyone giving me displeasure. I said I didn't want to contemplate why anyone would like displeasure. I had just said I thought people blogged here because it made them feel food. I don't think anyone here is a masochist, therefore I think everyone here gets enjoyment for being here.

I don't assess people. There was nothing personal in that comment of mine that was directed at any body in particular. I'm sorry you took it that way. As I said, we interpret things differently.

"Jamie...I read the conversations daily. I often make no comment because what's posted is so repetitive. Which is what I mean. The same comments about how pleasant it is without the 'others' are made virtually every morning. It becomes an echo chamber."

Again, I think that sounds as if you mean it is boring.
Sorry if you meant it differently. I merely said that I don't find any of it boring.

I would find reading posts and not commenting to be boring. I asked if you didn't find it boring - that's all. I think most of the posts here are interesting and that's why I come back.

Sheila - you're right that I'm kind of a newbie here, but I can tell many of you have good memories of the past years you've posted. I can only work with my own experience here, and I've said time and again that I enjoy it here immensely. I haven't criticized anyone here and have tried hard not to. I am not interested in insulting anyone, or correcting people's attitude. That's all.

I've also said before that I hate to be mis-understood and that's why I've gone to such lengths here to try to be more understable. I could have jumped into the fray many times, but haven't because there are no ideas exchanged when insults fly.

I am very sorry Harborwoman felt insulted, but I don't feel I insulted her - it was not my intention.

Sincerely,

What is glorious about it? Why gloat and cheerlead? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Obama is the Great Black Hope. Have you, or are you capable of being critical of him and his candidacy even one iota? Don't you see how your ascription of infallibility unto him is frighteningly similar to the same deification Bush received from your counterparts on the religious right?

I can understand how you are eager to see a reversal in policies and trends you feel are detrimental to your ideal vision of society. I can also understand how the seeming inevitability of his presidency would make you happy. Don't you think it's in your own, and everyone else's best interest to broaden your scope and consider other possibilities? Like I said last night, this isn't a football game. It sure sounds as if you are treating it as if it were.

~~~~O please~~~~

Thank you for the update Sheila.

Champ

"Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Obama is the Great Black Hope."

Maybe he is the great people hope. What does color have to do with it?

Uh, because the cliche "Great White Hope" wouldn't have worked as well. Let's not get hung up on semantics. I asked a serious question. Has there been anything which warranted criticism from your perspective thus far, and if so, what?

Champ.....there are only two choices in the GE.......why not get excited when the person you support has a good day?

Why do you find something "wrong" with that?

Obama, Marketing over Matter ... Hitler would be pleased

"... another massive rally of adoring fans just as Adolf Hitler wanted to impress crowds by moving it to that location, the Siegessäule (Victory Column) has nothing to do with the U.S. and German relationship. It is all about Prussia’s victories over Denmark, Austria and France; what a slap in the face to those American allies. Obama is so consumed with imagery; the image here will be he and Hitler side by side in front of a massive crowd ..."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obama-marketing.html

B in NYC the "O please" wasn't directed at u

There are more than 2 choices. Don't fall for that baloney.

I went from a "no-Bama" to an Obama supporter....it surprised me....even.

What have you won?

champ.....what are the other choices?

LOOK!!! Wesley Crusher is in trouble!!! I gotta go.....>>>>>> lol

Oh you are brighter then I thought...lol : )

I know. I've watched a lot of you fall into line and suddenly direct criticism towards me, which is fine, and your (spelling intended) right.

It seems to me I represent a possible reality which many of you aren't even willing to consider.

UB,

There is Nader,

Barr Libertarian

And Gravel is now the green party.

Well, I suppose Bob Barr is one, for example. Not advocating for him or anything. Nader is another. There are probably 30 or so candidates running.

champ,

What do you want out of the next administration? I am curious, because I don't think of you as a conservative....? Is there something , some issue that doesn't fly for you about Obama?

Well you right this time around. most of us on baby blog have figured out our ground.

but would you take that from us? I think Barr is a really good candidate. Nader I voted for once. Not again. Gravel.....I just can't. ;0)

Yeah, what doesn't fly for me about Obama is how he reversed key positions immediately after securing the nomination, FISA for example. Turned on a friggin' dime as soon as the deal was done. Not a big fan of Machiavellian pandering, which is the best rationalization one could provide.

okay - when you vote third party in a two party system you are throwing your vote away.....or helping the one opposite the one that was closest to you ideals....

What an asshole. Trying to have a serious discussion and be somewhat deferential, and still with the lame wise-cracks.

Hey! Wesley is at the academy in big trouble. Is he going to tell the truth? WE SHALL SEE....

What good does that accomplish?

I already told you. Scroll up.

That's what the people in power want you to believe, UB. Their way or no way.

Anyone who gets in office will raise taxes....have you seen the deficit...holy cow....Bush should be hung by his ....oh wait a minute....he doesn't have any.

It was an alteration of a cliche. Consider it dropped. Now will you answer my question?

Champ,

what a lot of the public didn't understand then was that Obama's so called turn to the center is a classic campaign strategy. Seemed so jarring because more are paying attention.

But most of his turns to the center are really long held positions. I am blown away at how some tried to wound Obama as the far right candidate.

The issues you heard during the Primaries were true and the next bunch, what you just saw were tru too.

Obama is a populist. More moderate than most far left and far right care to say.

What impotant is his listening skills and ability to hear and act. More promise there.

Champ,
Please as a realist, you vote third party and guess what?, your candidate will lose. Are you trying to say that any third party candidate has a chance 2008? if so who?

They could cut spending, UB. Get out of Iraq immediately. There's half a billion a day right there.

Oh you crazy kids! I go off for a few hours and see that champ is referring to Obama as the "Great Black Hope". In the voice of the Church Lady, "Well isn't that special?"

Wow. Right out there, eh Champ. Wear that racism on your sleeve proudly son, and declare it part of your non conformity!

thats far left

what is your answer?

I believe the outcome has already been decided anyway, UB. Who cares if your candidate loses? Stand for something. Be on record. That's why I would vote for a 3rd party.

Voting is almost irrelevant anway. One person, one vote, right? Well, what about all the campaign contributions? They allow undue influence on the political process, so that one voice counts for many more. Do you think the millions of hard-working. paycheck to paycheck citizens trying to feed a family have $2300 dollars to give? Are their voices less significant?

11:08 PM is my question

well Champ there you have pegged it, here's my question to you:

what are you standing up for in this election?

I love that commercial with the baby and the blackberry it sooo funny....

I'm just trying to figure it all out UB.

Champ they can give as little as one dollar to support the candidate of their choice, and they do not even have to do that...it's all voluntary......

yes answer....green light

How much influence do you think a dollar buys? Why is it even for sale?

champ,

I think there is a discussion going on....each person has to allow some room for thought.......(imo)

Post at your leisure. I can follow. I'm constrained by the format and talking to 3 people at once.

Champ,
it's a donation, to someone who you feel would be best in the position.....

You are not buying anything, you are contributing to help someone you believe in, get to a place where they can influence change.

And as a matter of fact, I am starting to believe you (champ) are just toying and not really interested in anything anyone says.

I hope that's not true, but seriously you are coming close to behavior of a dysfunctional teen.

OK, that's an answer. I suppose that's as far as I'm going to get.

webb is on.

lol "your books all have the word "fight " in it"

Champ,

i usually only do a one time donation, but this last primary I donated every month. I am one of the small doners

Okay , champ that good to know...

we are not, I am not being dismissive, but when you , don't answer.....okay let me just click that off, if you say you are sincere I believe you....

I feel by making a donation, one is attempting to exert a greater proportion of influence than they would possess just by voting alone. I also understand the rationalization for such action, but I feel that the system is inherently flawed when money is the most significant factor of a candidate's viability. Maybe public financing and spending caps is the right way to go. Can't say for sure.

I never gave before this election......nada zip....but I wanted my girl to win....Now I want Obama to win...and if money helps. I'll find it...I can't contribute time....

Why isn't your vote enough? I understand that traveling costs money, staffing costs money, whatever else there is... but so that a candidate may purchase time for manipulative TV ads just doesn't make sense to me, and that's where most of the money goes. And guess to whom it goes? The same media outlets that supposedly cover the election objectively. Or guys like Mark Penn. So when you donate, you are really just handing money to pollsters and media conglomerates that are rolling in cash already. Does that not seem crazy to you? It does to me. The process I mean.

He who holds the gold rules....it just life....everything costs ....

no one works for free...but I think if you look at the issues, you might just see something that is close enough to your ideals, that you may find hope for a better future.

That's the system in this country, and that is so much better then other countries.

Actually Champ, that's what they want - your vote......all that money is spent to get your vote. So in reality, your vote is very valuable.

Well, at least your contributions are emotional rather than rational. I do remember you criticizing Clinton supporters for emotional support around the end of May, however.

I think the game is rigged, UB. I think all that vote business is political theater. Criticisms of Diebold and electronic voting abounded last election cycle, haven't heard too much of it since. I know I received no tangible record of my vote this past April. Just slid a piece of paper into what looked like a shredder and *Blip*, it disappeared.

Oh yeah, I forgot all about Ron Paul. Gordo was right regarding the American people and their memories. And I've called you a lot worse than 'nazi'. Don't tell me what to do. You didn't state why you found his ideology highly flawed, you dismissed him because of the support he received from the "skinhead and white-power set" (maybe my memory aint so bad after all). Speaking of chimps, you're not dealing with one.

Ron Paul '08. I'll vote for him.

Sheila

You might want to rethink your impression of Barr. I met him once. It wasn't pleasant.

there we go....answer received

Thanks jamie,

I its been a long time since I paid attention to Mr Barr. This season, he just looks like the McCain spoiler. the anti-nader. ;0)

Back to Star Trek. Worf's Son has been reunited with his father and Deanna troy's mother is getting married on the Enterprise....Whew! What a mess.... ;0)

wow! that McCain ad is down right nasty.

Exactly what I would expect from someone who had nothing to say.

Yeah you did. You want ME to dig, or would you rather rescind that statement? It'll take me 10 minutes, tops.

Hey Guys,

I just got this article from an old buddy at Navy Times. Gannett Press owns Military Times. The conglomeration of all four services.

Anway, here is the Obama Interview that was conducted recently. Specificaly for sservice members and their families.

First time I have seen this for the opposite Party candidate from the Commander in Chief. Times They are a Changin.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_obama_070708/

Sheila

Have you gotten into either The Closer or Saving Grace. I like both of them but really, really like Saving Grace (and Earl the Angel)

Jamie we agree on all things TV. lol If that.

I love the Closer, but I can't miss Grace and Earl! I never miss them and got mad when their were no reruns this season.

I also want more Jekyll!

And I'm so glad Robin Hood is back on.

Charity starts at home. I don't feel it's the government's job to decide who is worthy to receive the citizenry's compassion (in the form of taxes), if for no other reason than the sheer inefficiency of bureaucracy. But that's not the issue at hand. I'm not really concerned with your opinion of Ron Paul or his positions. I know you don't support him, I'm not asking you specifically to (although I may have in the past, though once again, not specifically, more of a general appeal), and respect your right to support whomever you want.

I will say that he is a man of principle, was never on the dole himself, and when he lost a reelection bid, went back to private practice as an OB/GYN rather than assume a role as lobbyist, which is what most defeated incumbents do. Like I said, neither here nor there. Just since you brought it up.

That's an unfair characterization of all Republicans and Libertarians, by the way (of which I consider myself neither). As long as invectives such as those are used in the discussion of politics and related matters, the us vs. them mentality will persist to all of our detriment. Doesn't it irritate you when jerks like Hannity use the term "Liberal" in the pejorative? Well, you're doing the same thing. It irritates me, and once again, I don't consider myself a Liberal, either. It's a 'divide and conquer' strategy.

It all boils down to one word. Respect.

That just leaves Dr. Who on the Sci Fi Channel. :-)

Oh, and the assumption that government is the most capable entity to correct social inequalities hinges on the implication that human beings are so utterly avaricious that more enlightened individuals need to make those decisions on the populace's behalf. That's a pretty sad commentary. I know plenty of people who help others out of the goodness of their own heart rather than out of guilt or perceived obligation.

Imagine the good that would result form all those $2300 contributions if that money went to people who genuinely needed it, rather than a bunch of manipulative, wealthy, ruling class robber-barons. McCain, Obama, Clinton- the whole lot of them.

I like Doctor Who, but I will admit to missing my Doctor Who, Tom Baker. So i am not as avid as you. I am a more a Torchwood fan.

"I don't believe people in need should have to depend on the whims of others in order to survive."

That's exactly what government administration of social welfare is. Bureaucrats deciding who gets what.

I do have cause, because it poisons the discussion, as I said, to everyone's detriment, when debate is reduced to invectives.

How about Ron Paul's principles? How do you feel about them?

My teasing regarding your misspelling aside, I never asserted you claimed Ron Paul wasn't a man of principle. I just described why I respected him. You are creating arguments for yourself that don't exist beyond you own perception.

Quick question:

Are you taking the dogs out?

OK, I'm done. I've gotten all the answers I need. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

If you like Torchwood, hit You Tube. Barrowman is all over it singing up a storm. He is a major stage musical star in England.

Here's one for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stF2mXucm_w

Sheila, yes, Obama looked way better 'over there' than McBush did.

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Oh, I thought it was his compassionate conservatism!

His satisfaction with such bad work really is not to be dwelled on because it's actually not good for my blood pressure. He's even satisfied with his own work - he's a creature from another universe.

I'm toying with hoping he just steps down now and lets us wing it till January.

Good Morning all.

Just read through some of the posts form yesterday..Have to say...Nice analysis from Champ, good wording from Chef Sheila...

Will try to read some more.
Thanx for the birthday wishes everyone. Enjoyed it.