Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Happy Friday ladies and gentlemen,

Since one of the topics yesterday was taking quizzes to determine our
inner personalities and prejudices, here's my contribution.

Are You a Redneck? Test.

What's your favorite thing to do on a Saturday night?
A. Imbibe from a bottle of 30 year old scotch on my yacht.
B. Look in the mirror and shout, "Al Pacino! Al Pa-cheen-oh!"
C. Make fun of the hillbillies who live next door.
D. Cook up some grits and hog jowls.
E. "Breedin"

For more of the test go to:
http://tech.propeller.com/viewstory/2006/06/30/link-to-good-ole-netscape/?url=http%253A%252F%252Fisp.netscape.com%252F&frame=true

"Are You a Redneck? Test"

Ha -- I don't fit most of the answers....and I consider myself a part-time redneck....I have a fabulous t-shirt that says: The Great White Trash Conspiracy.

Bethy -- Yes to your medical post from last thread! Especially the part about second opinions.

Did anyone discuss McCain's gorilla joke yesterday? For those who were Clinton supporters and now say you'll vote for McCain, do you still have that position?

patsi, have you ever seen ernest matthew mickler's books "white trash cooking" and "sinkin spells, hot flashes, fits and cravins"? in addition to some basic (and i mean basic) recipes, he has some wonderful pictures of old timey picnics and down home thangs.

Harper Lee's quote about Mickler's white trash cooking book: "I have never seen a sociological document of such beauty - the photographs alone are shattering. ....Now that it's harder than ever to identify the genuine article on sight - with two generations of prosperity white trash looks like gentry - we've long needed something other than the ballot box to remind us of their presence: [WTC] is a beautiful testament to a stubborn people of proud and poignant heritage."

Aw, man. I could've written the "are you a redneck" quiz, having lived in Tennessee for over 30 years. I remember one from years ago on a Jeff Foxworthy calendar that said something like, "You know you're a redneck if your high school marching band plays 'The Waffle House Song.'

Oops, forgot to close quotes at the end of the last one. Here it is posthumously: "

you can get excerpts from the book at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gIQHMBWdhHMC&dq=mickler+white+trash+cooking&pg=PP1&ots=GPHdeEddH4&sig=F5iQTSPjdLQzeJmi1qKSDqnPc0M&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA79,M1

oops, that site put you right in the middle of some of the pictures... hope you scrolled up to the recipes. sorry about that.
well, guess i better go. by now i've violated the number of posts a day limit.

Boop, Patsi, 9/11

I have Crohn's. The inflammation from that disease affects everything from my vision to my ability to walk. Every four weeks I go for a Remicade infusion. Although that treatment is extremely expensive (reimbursed at about $5.2K each time) it is only somewhat effective. Because of the Remicade I have managed to avoid surgery (which is not a curative for Crohn's) and have been off Prednisone for the past six-years.

Pain control is still an issue for me. Because of the intractable pain from the polyarthralgias accompnying the disease, and a herniated disk in my neck, I take lots of darvocet and tons of neurontin.

I absolutely will not take any substance based on anecdotals. I will go to www.ccfa.org to see what they say about the substance, and I may do a google looking for opinion from major treatment centers.

I have not come across one single substance that appears to have a significant chance of improving my condition without causing significant damage in the process.

Like most Crohnie's, I realize that I can do much to control flares in my condition by dietary control. But, even in that measure, one person's success may be another's disaster.

The last time I looked (it was several years ago) the average cost of keeping a Chronie going was about $100k a year.

Wait. The Waffle House has a song?

Flatus....
thanks for that post on your disease.....
my hubby just found out last night that one of his good friends was diagnosed with Crohn's..... I had him read your post....
the weird thing is this guy is a hiking trail runner..... and hiking trails out here always means going up and down several mountains.... for all intents and purposes, this guy was physically fit....

Dex.... thanks for the pictures on Vietnam..... sorry to hear that medicine didn't sit right with you..... I had a very bad reaction this past winter to a new diabetes medicine.... Byetta.... I stopped taking it on my own and my doctor told me it was the right move.... put me on something else and now I'm back in full control....

oh yeah...... good morning gang....

Catching up on the summer drink posts --

Summer Gimlet with muddled cucumber, Hendricks gin and lime

Here's my unsolicited medical advice for people over 60 --get the shingles vaccine. A friend just got shingles and yuck. The vaccine doesn't work for everyone but even if you get it (and the older you get the the odds increase) it will be less severe.

When the spinach ecoli event happpend the FDA moved quickly to establish a food inspection program and safety program for leafy green. http://www.ccof.org/foodsafety.php

Why can't they act quickly now and establish a program for tracing the rest of the produce. The technology is in place.

One other shingles related note -- if you have shingles and are around people who have not had chicken pox...you can give it to them.

And good morning everyone! It's full moon time --
if you can make here in time, we will be paddling tonight.

"Did anyone discuss McCain's gorilla joke yesterday?"

That was an old joke he's used....one of MANY that men use, Bye Bye. McCain sure ain't no feminist. But then, so far he hasn't paraded out on stage sneering to the song "I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One."

"patsi, have you ever seen ernest matthew mickler's books "white trash cooking"

I loved that book, patd -- In fact, I bet I ended up buying ten copies for friends that year!

"Aw, man. I could've written the "are you a redneck" quiz, having lived in Tennessee for over 30 years."

Mary -- too true...I've lived here now since 1983. I've posted this so many timnes (just because I love the story) -- but my intro to TN politics was when I first moved here and saw them elect a guy to state office from his jail cell. Gotta love it.

"The last time I looked (it was several years ago) the average cost of keeping a Chronie going was about $100k a year. "

There's the rub. I know that should I get such a condition, I can just kiss off, because I lost my health insurance some time back. And unless you are 65 or living in abject poverty, there's nowhere to go. Nowhere.

There are arthritis medicines right now that I don't buy because of the expense.

Gotta get back to work for a bit -- later!

A bagdad then and now commentary
From some one who lived through it

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/nationalsecurity/2008/07/baghdad-at-nigh.html#comments

Jack

Morning Jack
Got your point about naming the plant after Shrub
maybe they should pick a landfill that specializes in
disposable diapers.

"Tomatoes Called Safe as U.S. Lifts Salmonella Warning "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=agpGwSsx87PY&refer=home

The most damning statement about this whole chickenlittle stupid incident.

"The FDA has tested produce, farms and warehouses and hasn't found evidence of the strain of salmonella associated with the illnesses, Acheson said. The government may never determine whether tomatoes were the cause, he said"

Jack

The Florida tomato growers are considering suing the FDA -- the loss to the tomato industry has been huge

I am sympathetic but not too much since the tomato growers lobbied against the tracing legislation which would have cleared them much earlier.

The loss to the industry would have covered the cost of the tracing technology by a lot.

KGC

Good morning
I mostly wish for the memory of this administration to fade. The only exception is a monument of some sort dedicated to the enormous stupidity of this administration. You have to admit it is hard to raise that high and be that stupid.
I think everybody, with the exception of family and paid staff, are just waiting for it to be over with.

Jack

Patsi, so far as insurance is concerned I completely understand how fortunate I am. But, even with that, it took years to get the government to honor the promises they made soldiers in enticing them to make the military their career.

The common treatments for arthritis aren't an option for me. The old 'specific' was "take aspirin until your ears ring." I liked feldene, but it's off the list, too.

The people who get Remicade are generally very well insured. The over-65 retirees often come-in from assisted living facilities and have Medicaid as their supplement to Medicare. All of us know what that means for their financial situation.

I've talked to both my rheumatologist and G.I. doc about alternatives to Remicade. They are out there, but there's no assurance they will be as efficacious. And, the big kicker is, if I stop the Remicade, it will be ineffective if I restart it.

Damned, arthritis. It is truly one of the major curses of getting old after having engaged in a 'physical' lifestyle.

I'm with you Jack -- the sooner they are gone the better

Yesterday Bush blamed Congress for letting him be stupid --he does have a point.

Dog,

Thanks for that post, my old stomping grounds, I like the fact she is a strong environmental crusader the people I know living there want that more than anything.

Happy Friday everyone,

The Kool-aid stand is open....a refreshing drink for a change.

: )

flatus,

Thank you for your openness.

All I can add is something simple.

As we're all our own control group (and petri dishes), I was too busy with both work and a current insurance nightmare to go out and get more of that kombucha.

So I've gone for an unplanned 36 hours without it.

When I got up this morning at five, I was drenched in sweat, experienced a return of the GI issues and neuropathy.

So I'm off to the store. Perhaps the thing cited most often hold -- that it needs to be imbibed daily or else. Perhaps my inner circus decided to open another ring.

But this is consistent with what I had been told by both my nutritionist and endocrinologist.

Off to the store and a good day to all.

RR,

Crohn's affects people from every walk of life. It attacks athletes, factory workers, sedentary people, anybody. The worst curse is when it attacks youngsters. It's especially difficult for adolescents.

I hope your husband's friend has found a good GI doc who will be there for him when things flare. A supportive family doc is also essential.

For those who are comfortable with support groups, they are out there. The www.ccfa.org site is an excellent resource.

"Fed's Hoenig Finds Bitter Inflation in Colorado Chocolate Plant "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=akTK1v_ewpko&refer=home

Just loved the headline, the story is good too.

With Chocolate prices rising, Budwieser being sold to Foreigners, there goes my comfort food.

Jack

Here's an assignment should anyone be ~~~brave~~~ enough (or even care at all) to take it:

Consider pouring yourself a tall glass of Kool-aid, and reading or watching the news with an open mind about Obama. Just for the weekend, put away the frustrations over the DNC, the media, and Hillary's loss.

I am asking a few of my friends to do this for fun, because we AGREE on so many important issues, yet they are saying they may vote McCain.

It's an experiment....I have no idea how they will react.

redneck's last words:

"Hey Fellers, Watch THIS!"

"Yesterday Bush blamed Congress for letting him be stupid --he does have a point."

LOL
True

I think it is time to have a "If your not working on a solution your part of the problem" campaign. Targeting those obstuctionist members in the senate. We need to quit using the term, cloture. Instead mput it in the plain English description it is. A cloture vote is a vote to quit talking and take action. If you vote against it then all you want to do is talk. That is a ststement that will even stick in the brain of the most dimwitted redneck in Mississippi.

Jack

UB

You're not very good at this trolling thing;-)

Jack

Why am I considered a troll? Jack? Just bcause I support Obama?

As I recall no one called me a troll when I supported Hillary?

Name calling at me started when I openly supported Obama......

More signs that the dominance of Cheney and the neocons on foreign policy may be over

"President George W. Bush is sending a top envoy to multinational talks in Geneva tomorrow that will include Iran, the highest-level discussions between the two countries since Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979. The administration is also considering stationing diplomats in Tehran for the first time since then. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTacplWsM2cc&refer=home

I thought politics was "on topic" here....Didn't know that Trail Mix had become a disease forum, or food forum, or vintage music forum..

...maybe that's all you have left

UB

It is simple
Because that is what your doing with the silly Koolaid statements.

And you know it
LOL
So quit with the phoney protests.

Jack

Good Morning all -- We had a quiet day yesterday. The kids slept in a couple hours, then played a massive game of team Halo. After lunch we went bowling. (Love those bumper guards!)

Good news: Harriet Tubman's hometown of Cambridge, MD has a history of racial strife and injustice. But progress is coming, as evidenced by the election of a new mayor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/11/AR2008071100267.html

UB

then start talking politics and quit trolling.

Or keep trolling if you wish
I don't care , I just had to laugh at it

End of discussion

Jack

I like the kool-aid.........it's a term that originate from those who do not support Obama....are you now mad because I use it in a joking manner??? have you no sense of humor???

End of discussion because you are out of line and you know it!

Best you could do was call names then retreat.

Why not laugh before calling names Jack?

Didn't know that Trail Mix had become a disease forum, or food forum, or vintage music forum..

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:21 AM

It's none of your business what kind of forum it is.

kool aid drinkers did not originate with the Obama campaign. Born yesterday?

9/11,

"Thank you for your openness."

I'm really sorry that you're going through an additional dose of misery because of the realities of your situation. I hope you are able to find your kombucha and get back on it.

With the type of chronic illness that I have, I've given up any modesty and shyness and reticence in discussing it. As one might say, my life is now an open book.

And, the thanks goes in both directions. Thank you, 9/11.

UB

I'm actually going to watch the Overseas trip avidly, simply because I approve of his going but I don't approve of it turning into a political event with massive press coverage. I will try to just listen and then comment upon the senator's return.

Now, fun stuff. They are Californians and they have been doing this for 30 years ... You might want to join in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePk3GSduhc

"kool aid drinkers did not originate with the Obama campaign. Born yesterday?" R A

I said the opposite jack

"it's a term that originate from those who do not support Obama"

Get your Organic Kombucha Culture Online
http://www.kombuchacultures.com/

LOL that's funny Jamie, but I feel for those passengers...

Back up troops have arrived. Always right on time.

RA

It looks like you is I or I is you

LOL
I don't know which one of us should be the most insulted.

Jack

Everyone enjoy your day and remember Kool-aid isn't a four letter word!

peace~

Jack -I didn't use "jack"as a proper name, please get over it already....geez

I am looking for good ways to cook collard greens besides the traditional ham hocks (tasty) but I get a lot of them in my CSA box. These are mature greens so
they need cookin'.

Didn't get the job, Jack?

UB

Some people book rides between the two stations just to get mooned. What can I say? There's something in the water.

A good read on the Afganistan situation

"Barack Obama and John McCain, in a rare note of harmony on national security, both want a surge of troops into Afghanistan. Experts say adding forces won't help much in combating insurgents unless Pakistan joins the fight"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awsRdSKbfgYo&refer=home

Jack

An admission you need to drink the kool-aid to support Obama. Thanks,

You might like to try this Italian style casserole

1 1/2 pounds greens, washed and trimmed
salt and black pepper
1 cup chicken or vegetable broth
1 cup half-and-half
4 tablespoons butter
1/4 cup flour
1/2 cup grated Parmesan cheese
1/2 cup ricotta cheese (whole milk or part skim)
3 tablespoons dry bread crumbs
2 ounces Mozzarella cheese, shredded
Preparation:
Butter a 1 1/2-quart baking dish or casserole; preheat the oven to 375 degrees or 350 degrees for oven-proof glass.
Cut out and discard the tough stems; if using kale or collards, cut out thick center ribs. Rinse all the greens and shake off any excess water, chop them into 1/2-inch pieces. In a large skillet, cook the greens over low heat, adding them by handfuls and stirring them down as they wilt. Add 1/2 cup of water if the greens seem dry, then cover the skillet and braise for 10 to 15 minutes, or until tender. Pour off any liquid left in the skillet, then season the greens with salt and pepper. Transfer to a bowl and set aside.

Heat the broth and half-and-half in a saucepan, just until bubbles form around the edge of the pan.

In the large skillet, melt the butter over low heat. Add the flour and cook, stirring, for one minute. Add the hot broth mixture all at once and stir over medium heat until the sauce is smooth and thickened. Whisk in the grated Parmesan and ricotta. Stir the greens into the cheese sauce and pour the mixture into the prepared baking dish. Sprinkle with the bread crumbs and then sprinkle the grated mozzarella over the top; bake for 20 minutes, or until the sauce is bubbling and the mozzarella is melted and lightly browned. Serve immediately.
Serves 6.

Harvey Wallbanger Cake Recipe

http://homecooking.about.com/od/cakerecipes/r/blc1.htm

Got it Champ
Just a small fixup jog. A condo repo Interior doors all missing for some reason. Stair rail kicked out..
A couple of days work for next week.
Doing a little house keeping today.
Wife will be home in a couple hours.

Jack

An admission you need to drink the kool-aid to support Obama. Thanks,

Posted by: R A Absurdum | July 18, 2008 10:49 AM

It's hallucinatory.

Jamie
Thanks. That sounds pretty good. Since starting my CSA and using the Thomas Jefferson motto of "meat as a condiment," I have lost 5 pounds without trying.
Can you easily reheat a portion?

UB

"One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, “Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.” This has come to mean, "Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." Of course, you would have to know of Kool-Aid’s dubious connection to Jim Jones to understand the proverb."
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-kool-aid.html

Separate subject., Are you close to the Lordstown GM factory? Sure was some good news they received yestereday.

Cool, man. Hope it goes well for you.

Funny thing is Jones served his followers Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid.

"Don't drink the Flavor-Aid" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

No Kool-Aid for me, I like sweet tea.

Larry Craig - the gift the keeps on giving.
I can't wait for the Gooper convention and lots of
shots of the Minneapolis Airport

Sen Larry Craig: Don’t let foreigners “jerk us around by the gas nozzle”
By: SilentPatriot on Thursday, July 17th, 2008 at 6:10 PM - PDT

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/17/sen-larry-craig-dont-let-foreigners-%e2%80%9cjerk-us-around-by-the-gas-nozzle%e2%80%9d/

KGC

Yes, but I use a square casserole so that there is only a little left over for second day. I wouldn't push it beyond that. The same sauce works well with spinach or as an additional step, sauteed eggplant, mushrooms as a kind of white sauce, vegetable lasagne without the noodles.

It's one of those play around with it recipes.

Hasn't even been 'elected' et and he's already engaging if foreign diplomacy. What does that tell you?

You need to be 'drinking kool-aid' to believe we live in a representative democracy.

"Obama also is expected to deliver a speech in Berlin. It remains unclear where that event might take place."

Merkel has a set alright and Obama is not speaking at the Brandenberg gate. Meeting with her was never at issue.

""Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side."

Flatus, I think politically "drinking the koolaid" is anyone who blindly supports any group. Being a total proponent without any balance in judgment.

Zing!

My next favorite news items of the day.

"Comfort Capsules"

You really cannot make this crap up:

The Air Force's top leadership sought for three years to spend counterterrorism funds on "comfort capsules" to be installed on military planes that ferry senior officers and civilian leaders around the world, with at least four top generals involved in design details such as the color of the capsules' carpet and leather chairs, according to internal e-mails and budget documents...

In all, for the past three years the service has asked to divert $16.2 million to the effort from what the military calls the GWOT, or global war on terrorism. Congress has twice told the service that it cannot, including an August 2007 letter from Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) to the Pentagon ordering that the money be spent on a "higher priority" need.

Meanwhile, as noted by Hecate in comments:

Shoddy electrical work by private contractors on United States military bases in Iraq is widespread and dangerous, causing more deaths and injuries from fires and shocks than the Pentagon has acknowledged, according to internal Army documents.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_07_13_archive.html#3935005856997730200

Based on what I've seen here, it is good that Obama does not depend on these supporters: name calling, lame insults, and lies.

Meanwhile news on the PUMA front, looks like they are real Jamie

"Top Clinton Donors Meet with McCain Camp"
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/17/top-clinton-donors-meet-with-mccain-camp

Jamie

Hack-igations
International and Foreign E-discovery & E-blackmail
http://hack-igations.blogspot.com/

Ah, It's a spammer

Jack

Dow is in positive territory again today

Currently up 43

Jack

Is the rise in the market fueled by dropping oil prices?

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-fi-oil18-2008jul18,0,6872187.story

All I can say is wow,
impressive on many levels

"300 Advisers Shape Obama’s Foreign Policy"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/us/politics/18advisers.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Jack

UB...
well.... let me make a suggestion that's even ~~~~~~braver~~~~~~

how about everyone get the beverage of their choice...... grab a book..... any book.... even a comic book..... and go outside to read this weekend....

turn off the television..... turn off the computer....

and don't forget to pause every now and then to listen to the sounds around you.....

KGC

interesting quote from the article

"You are seeing the end of the rally," said David Kirsch, a manager at PFC Energy in New York. "I think you're going to see a major correction. . . . If your pension fund was long in oil, you're going to have to work a couple more years."

As I said a few weeks back, its a commodity it goes up high and then you will see a sharp drop, then long term stability for a while. Kinda how commodities behave, if it is hogs, wheat, or oil.

Jack

The DNC is soliciting ideas from the general public for platfom ideas.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/MN3T11Q5O6.DTL&tsp=1

The head of the committee is Michael Yaki, a former Pelosi aid and defeated SF Supervisor.

prof marcia'

If we substitute a '94 CA Cabernet and my little 'speed' boat, I'll take A.

KGC,

Air Force is said to be experiencing difficulty w/leadership, mission, and Academy. They're a mess right now.

I have to say it's boring without Craig's topic even when we go off topic...

KGC

Call me a cynic but if the idea doesn't come out of a certain office in Chicago, it ain't happening.

Jack

Was just reading Vanity Fair at work and found this article

Hillaryland at War

Hillary Clinton’s campaign had it all: near-death moments, hard-won triumphs, dysfunctional relationships—and a staff consumed with infighting over how to sell their candidate. It was a battle that revealed why she came so close to victory, as well as why she didn’t make it.

by GAIL SHEEHY
August 2008

Link: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/clinton200808

Would love to read comments... it's a pretty fair article. I particularly liked the discussion after Hillary teared up a bit.

"Those really are quality of life stealers."

Well, you just have to get used to a little pain. When all is said and done, I guess I was lucky...I was incredibly healthy for all those years I had insurance. :)

xrepublican

Didn't the Airforce brass recently get a verbal spanking from Gates or someone for concetrating too many of their assets in the old coldwar mindset? Change is difficult for the military.

Jack

I think the Air Force is planning on the rapture saving them from having to do anything.

"Here's an assignment should anyone be ~~~brave~~~ enough (or even care at all) to take it: "

UB, since I am not voting for McCain, live in a very red state, and don't care....it's not about bravery.

My only "hope" connected to Obama is that he's not as controlled by telecommunications and banking as I think he is.

say when I said 'boring' I meant not having a topical header. I haven't read the blog yet... so that wasn't directed at conversations here... Just miss Craig's opening insights.

"I think the Air Force is planning on the rapture saving them from having to do anything"

LOL

Could be, they do kind of have a problem with that.

Jack

I just took the redneck quiz. I got a "0" and the text says "cheery-o ole chap. Geez, you're a bore. You better stay out of Albama, Georgia and Louisiana"

LOL LOL LOL

I just took the quiz as if it was my brother doing it. If I predicted right, he'd get a 15... says the sunburn on his neck is probably permanent. "Sunblock won't help"...

Anyway I've always said the stork dropped me in the wrong house ;-)

Hey,

I don't know if you all saw this but this one is for GORDO...

I've heard that Barack Obama doesn't qualify as a natural-born U.S. citizen — and can't serve as president — because his one parent who was a citizen (his mother) hadn't lived in the U.S. for five years past her 16th birthday when Obama was born. Is this true?

Arnold Cate

North Carolina

___

This is one of the many myths about Obama that have been circulating on the Internet, and it's entirely untrue.

You do indeed need to be a natural-born citizen to serve as president — and Obama, who was born in Hawaii, qualifies. The age and citizenship status of Obama's parents have nothing to do with his citizenship status; under the law, he's a natural-born citizen because he was born in the United States.

Some bloggers have raised similar questions about whether Sen. John McCain is eligible to run, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. He too is considered a natural-born citizen, since he was born on an U.S. military base in a place that was, at the time, a U.S. territory.

Just to put any concerns to rest, the Senate passed a resolution declaring that McCain is a natural-born citizen. The resolution — submitted to the Senate by Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, among others — passed by unanimous consent in April.

Donna Cassata

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22576415/for/cnbc/

wow I still make harvey wallbanger cakes !!!

It is funny that on the link page it says:

Why Your Stomach is Fat
I fought with excess belly fat for years until I found this 1 trick.
www.TruthAboutAbs.com

Colon Cleansing Recipe
Colon cleansing kit. Gently removes toxins in your body. View photos.
MarthaVolchok.com

"How To Lose Belly Fat"
Lose 1 Jean Size Every 7 Days! As Seen On CNN.
www.FireYourFat.com

About the recipe... It is close to what I do. Let me review it and I will tell you what I do different.

In the states I would buy an Orange cake mix... but in Europe they don't have those. I would say I use 1/2 cup vodka and 1/2 cup galliano liquer and only 1/2 c orange juice. It is pretty darn close to what I do though, amazingly. I don't measure anything though.

The glaze is all wrong though... you have to use powdered sugar which is moistened by more vodka and galliano. Then you must use a meat fork to put holes into the cake and let the alcohol-laden glaze seep in... It's kick ass, totally. I mean cooking alcohol sort of diminishes the alcohol... Pure alcohol poured into the cake after it is baked makes it not only taste, a a good buzz too.

too bad I can't eat it anymore...

For any art lovers...this is one of my favorite young artists....she's in Brooklyn. I own several of her pieces, including one titled The Critic -- which is a painting every writer should own!

http://web.mac.com/oilconstructs/jamiekelty.com/_jamie_kelty_oil_constructs.html

Jamie just asked Mauro to evaluate the recipe you posted. He says he is not a chef, but it is not from Liguria to be sure and his first reaction was "it's HEAVY"... Is it of Italian origin or something that is similar?

Tom

I have not taken the Redneck test. I don't need to, My parents don't think it was in my genes, so it must have been acquired by hanging out with farmers and truckdrivers.

RR,

no books for me this weekend, just sunshine, beer and bluegrass music on a farm in upstate New York.

The Infamous Stringdusters at Grey Fox 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyXZGxxrQls&feature=related

jamie - Sounds like a milder version of spanikopita filling...yum.

OK, this is just the coolest thing. Type in the name of the band/artists & it gives you more options.

http://www.music-map.com/

Ok I admit it... I LOVED Kool-Aid !!! It used to be my favourite as a kid. We'd always buy those small packs that made a quart or something with a cup of sugar added... yeah sweet and unhealthy, but I LOVED it... !! I wonder if it would work with artificial sugar?

When I was a kid I wanted a Kool-aid pitcher because I thought it was soooo cool. Never did get one. Never did get the Quisp cap either... But I did get a cardboard record from the back of Corn Flakes with Gary Lewis and the Playboys singing "Doin the Flake"

OMG I found this on YouTube... awesome! I even had that 45 !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTuCj83hhwI

"Don't Cry for Me Alabama... THe truth is, I couldn't survive you.... "

I am bored and since no one is replying to me, I am just typing silly stuff...

Anyway, 3 day weekend for me. Monday is Belgian founding holiday. Of course our government is in tatters again between the Flemish north and the French speaking south and there is talk of a permanent split between the two regions. I wonder if that means we'd get a second holiday ?

I'll reply, Tom -- I loved those Kool Aid pitchers too...I got one for the kids when they were little....

Eurotom - I always assumed that people in Europe were multilingual, so when you referred to the "French-speaking South," it made me wonder...is there a divisiveness based on language over there?

Recipe from childhood: Hot toast, butter, sprinkle with dry Jell-O.

And for a helping of funny with your recipes, Amy Sedaris' I LIKE YOU is a hoot-and-a-half.

ET
Would the area be better served with two tiny governments? I love Belgium: chocolate and beer
Brugge is one of my favorite places and kayaking (canoeing) too. Lots and lots of Michelin starred restauants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppRjknOryk

Drink the Kool Aid !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-sh9pVPNZo

If democrats are tagged as obstructionists with respect to oil exploration, they will be in trouble. People know that large scale alternatives to oil are a long way off. So when the heating season hits the northeast and those heating bills start arriving, look out.

Someone tell me how fast they think that all those oil furnaces can be converted. What will they be converted to? Coal, wood?

It is probably not cheap or easy for many of those burning oil to convert to gas. Is the basic infrastructure even in place to deliver gas?

Jack

The problem in Belgium is that the rich north has to keep paying for the poor south. The Flemish are a people of Germanic descent which the Walloons, aka the French speakers ... are of Latin descent. They are totally different sorts of people. Belgium was created as an accident of history, and besides the fact the two regions were joined together without any cultural commonalities has been a problem all along. For a long time the elites of Walloon controlled the government. All documents had to be in French and the Flemish, who could not read or speak French, were disadvantaged. Since the growth of Flanders, the Flemish have become more assertive and now are demanding that their interests are protected.

The big battle now is splitting the voting bloc of Brussels, Halle and Vilvoorde. Although all 3 cities are in Flanders, Brussels has changed to a population that is 85% French speaking and they are able to vote for French politicians whom the Flemish despise and see as contrary to their own autonomy. They are demanding that there be a splitting of this voting bloc so that the Flemish region is better protected. Of course now the Walloons want to claim Brussels because it is 85% French speaking and it is home to the European Union. It's all a mess...

Here is an excellent analysis: http://www.globalinsight.com/SDA/SDADetail13312.htm

It should also be said that for a country the size of Maryland, there is a national parliment, a flemish parliment, a wallonia parliment and a Brussels constituency parliment... all with overpaid Ministers and bureaucrats.

And where does natural gas come from? Underground. Shocking!

ET
Thanks for the info and link. It's interesting stuff.

ET
Do you suscribe to the Global Insights newsletter.
It looks like a very interesting sight.

Even If a city services line runs past your house, if you don't have gas service to your house, here in kansas city it is $500 to get a hookup service installed. Converting your old oil or coal furnace is for the era of cheap energy and will probably cost at least half the price of a new furnace. So add $1200 to install a new furnace.

choice, do I stay the same and struggle throughhoping that oil prices will go down to a managable level or do I bight the bullet and switch , hoping that all the people switching don't drive natural gas prices skyhigh.

Jack

Katherine Graham Cracker,

One can substitute smoked turkey parts for ham

or

1 lb collards
1 can chicken broth
1 tsp minced garlic
1/4 tsp crushed red pepper

simmer collards in broth w/garlic 30 minutes or until soft, then add crushed red pepper. Mix and serve.

or

1lb collards
1/4 cup chopped onions
1 Tbsp. butter
1/4 cup lemon juice or apple cider vinegar
2 tsps. brown sugar
1/2 tsp. salt

Place greens in saucepan and cover with water. simmer 30 minute or until soft. /Saute onions in butter. Add onions, lemon or vinegar, sugar and salt to soft collards and mix. Cook anther 15 minutes.

or

Add 1/2 lb cooked, drained collards to 1 lb cooked rice.
mix in 1/4 cup thinly slices dates, and 3 thinly sliced apricots. Heat for 15 min and serve w/wo strips of cooked chicken or lamb.

Jack,

You make it sound soooooo complicated. Just run a hose to the nearest landfill and hook it up. What is so hard about that?

I bet that Obama will be calling for more domestic drilling before the election in November.

"natural and bio gas are easily bottled"

No they aren't. It takes a lot of high pressure equipment and highpressure storage to deliver Natural gas by truck in any economical managable level.
So we go back to the same problem this winter no infrastructure

Jack

xrepublican
Add 1/2 lb cooked, drained collards to 1 lb cooked rice.
mix in 1/4 cup thinly slices dates, and 3 thinly sliced apricots. Heat for 15 min and serve w/wo strips of cooked chicken or lamb.

This sounds great. Thanks. I can see why you are the cook in your family.

Winter Could Test Energy Math
Rising Heat Costs
May Be Last Straw
For Family Budgets
By REBECCA SMITH
July 18, 2008; Page A3 Wall Street Journal

The next blow from high energy prices could come in the dead of winter.

Utilities and industry analysts estimate that it will cost families 30% to 50% more to heat their homes with natural gas this winter.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121633904671763931.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Jack,

Ya, SAC has been the pride of the AF. Unfortunately, the main SAC mission ended in about eighteen years ago. The AF shouldn't treat the rest of the service as an afterthough.

my window:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYarHymJjL8

Ever see a natural gas explosion? I have when there was a derailment on the D&H railroad in Bainbridge, NY. The train went right through the fire station. A couple of the tankers blew up and ended up about 2 miles away.

Explosions is why they are having trouble finding sites for LNG storage.

Jack,

You might try passive solar. At these oil prices, passive solar can pay for itself in a few years. A friend in MN put one on his 4 square 1,500 sq ft house 2 years ago, and heats most of it passively. Last winter cost him $300, down from $ 1,300.

KGC,
Gotta make sure the collards are well drained or they make the rice sticky - especially if it is white rice.

Gallup's Daily Tracking shows a 1 pt. race.

People, living in the world of reality, know this will probably will end up a very close race.

I'm going to Mama Mia this afternoon..never miss a Meryl Streep movie..

xrep-
Thanks for the tip

Jack
There are also small wind turbines now. The City of SF has invested in the design and they supply enough to serve a household. Not as big and noisy as the windmills.
"At a tour of the home last Friday, Mayor Gavin Newsom announced that he was forming a Residential Wind Power Working Group under Director of Climate Protection Initiatives, Wade Crowfoot. The goal of the group is to change San Francisco’s building codes so that businesses and residents can install wind turbines without having to go through the lengthy, painstaking process that Robin did."
http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=8290967

We've been looking into a neighborhood coop. We are hoping the vineyard owners will let us put it on their property -the grapes don't care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muP9eH2p2PI

This is a better picture of the small wind turbine from
SF

http://www.examiner.com/a-819169~Ammiano_spins_rooftop_wind_turbine_idea_in_S_F_.html

New Yorker Cover Cartoon NOT a Satire?

"It is being reported today that Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times has in his possession a tape recording of an interview he once had with Barack Obama that may be very damaging to the latter’s campaign for the presidency.

The tape (and the transcript of it) stem from a February 27, 2007 visit Kristof paid to Obama’s senate offices. A column Kristof wrote based upon this interview appeared in the New York Times on March 6, 2007.

What may be damning about the interview, the transcript of it and—especially—the original tape recording is that Obama allegedly provided Kristof with a recitation from memory of the Muslim call to prayer in Arabic. One of Obama’s cousins in Africa has stated in the recent past that Obama was, indeed, once a Muslim.

Obama lived in Indonesia until he was about ten years old. He attended a Catholic school there but was allegedly enrolled as a student of the Muslim faith.

The issue is not whether Obama was ever a Muslim. What Kristof may, however, have raised as an issue once again—and, this time, in spades—is Obama’s inability and/or unwillingness to tell us the truth about his past in Southeast Asia, Chicago or anywhere else."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/new-yorker-cover-cartoon-not-a-satire/

Manufacturer of small wind turbines
http://bluegreenpacific.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTl2Op-KAq4&feature=related

mr jones

Dems Block Gas Terminal-- Claim Tire Dump is "Wild & Scenic" Area

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/breaking-house-democrats-block-drilling.html

There's still hope!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080718/en_afp/entertainmentfilmhayekpeople;_ylt=AhhSc4U33p40QToCIohTi6BxFb8C

Ted Kennedy Defeats Cape Cod “Wind Farm”

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ted-kennedy-defeats-cape-cod-wind-mill-farm

Go for it Corey.

Oh , what are you favorite candy bars? Just in case you put in jail for stocking or something like that.

Jack

exrep , KGC

Good ideas and fun ones too.
Maybe another time.

The wife is home so to heck with this place for a while.
See ya later.

Jack

Big "O"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLIwvYUfTt0

KGC,

I forgot a half onion diced and sauted in olive oil for the rice dish.

I hope this isn't too late.

The elitist pig position - change but no offer of help to make it happen. The folks in need of conservation measures have no money to pay for it but the rich pigs of the elitist front could care less.

The same as Bush unfunded mandates for change.

RA

The people at the bottom aren't the ones in control They just rent and pay large utility bills. As a landlord why should I spend money that will not directly benefit me?
Insulate my house and I can't rent it for anymore than the house down the street.

Jack

LOL
The liberal democrats easy solution to everything, personal sacrifice

Jack

"And no it's not always about choice, sometimes the great good is more important than personal choice."

Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils

And are there any solutions out there that address the issues of the poor that arn't just short term bandaids, throw a little money and hope they shut up.

Jack

Jack

Congress is letting the tax credits for alternative energy development expire. Our leaders talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they spend our money bailing out financial idiots.

What flipflop ?

Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils

or the evil of two lessers.

xrep
Not too late. I have a lot of collard greens.

Jack
In the Northeast, there are alternative energy companies that work with low income people. I think that is what one of the Kennedys does.
California has a few programs but nothing of substance mostly emergency funding so your uitlities aren't shut off in the middle of winter.

I live on top of a very large natural gas reserve. It is called the Barnett Shale. I have a gas water heater and a gas furnace in my house. The A/C and oven and range are both electric. We here in Texas have been using natural gas for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Shale

T Boone’s wind farm has the largest output of wind power in North America. At 4,000 megawatts, this is the equivalent combined output of four large coal-fire plants and the production of the completed Pampa, Texas, facility then will double the wind energy output of the United States.

We have city vehicles and buses running on natural gas. We have the technology now to convert. It won't completely solve the fact that we get 70% of our oil from over seas and it costs about $700 Billion a year. Wind power can take over some of the processes we now use oil for and natural gas can add to that. There aren't gonna be any wind powered grills or solar powered riding lawnmowers.

I think it will help us use the resources we have to buy in a wiser way.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I'm outta here for the weekend! 20th Class reunion tomorrow night. Have a good weekend!

Jack
The Canadians have done a better job on working with low income people and energy conservation issues.
http://indeco.com/www.nsf/papers/tea

Personal sacrifice is not real conservation in the long run,
nor are your belittling attacks a form of discussion.

It is a complex issue, if you were truly interested you would address the landloard tenant issue above.

It is an issue that is played out everyday, millions of time a day.

Jack

Born in the USA?

"... it’s quite possible that Obama was born outside the US and was issued a “late registration” Birth Certificate (BC) by the State of Hawaii. Hawaii makes it fairly easy to get one.

... set of facts have emerged, which we hope to explore in more depth, suggesting that Obama was born in Canada. One of those facts is the presence of Obama, with his mother Stanley Ann Dunham, in Mercer Island shortly after his birth. The circumstances of that visit indicate that Ann and the newborn Barack could have been in Canada ...

The possibility that Obama was born in Canada is fueled by Obama’s refusal to show a hard-copy of his original BC that would name the hospital.

The original BC shows substantially more information than the COLB shows. The original includes the name of the hospital, parents’ signatures and occupations, addresses, and so forth."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more-682

Political Printing's Big Carbon Footprint?

Both presidential campaigns are touting their efforts to “green” their upcoming conventions, but neither is addressing the carbon footprint of their political advertising, which includes a significant amount of print, reports the Institute for Sustainable Communications.

TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Analysis Group says the McCain and Obama campaigns are already spending between $250,000 to $300,000 per day on advertising. However, their campaign’s Websites fail to indicate how their ad spending is offset with carbon credits or handled in an environmentally responsible way.

“While spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, each campaign has the opportunity to determine the carbon footprint of their advertising and set an example on the issue of climate change,” says Don Carli, senior research fellow at the institute and GAM's sustainability editor.

http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6579733.html?nid=3470&rid=reg_visitor_id&source=link

Jack, you're exactly right.

You're in competition with every other landlord. Unless you can come-up with some way of marketing the energy efficiency advantage of your rental as being more of an advantage than the lower cost rental down the street, than it is an economic absurdity to unilaterally make any improvements.

And, that's exactly the reason why apartment owners won't install sprinklers in their apartments, and why convenience stores won't have two people on every shift unless forced to by government.

Government has mandated 'disposal' fees on all types of items like tires and batteries. Have those fees in fact resulted in a higher ecological standard?

I'm a liberal. But, that stops when someone else has their hand in my pocket trying to grab my billfold.

"Personal sacrifice is not real conservation in the long run,
nor are your belittling attacks a form of discussion."

Well said. There is nothing to respect more than honesty and common sense.

"I think it will help us use the resources we have to buy in a wiser way.'

Doots I think you and T. Boone P. are exactly right.

Look, people need to start thinking about the sustainability of our planet. We Americans have acted like buying gas at prices that keep us smiling and traveling is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT! We are overusing the world's resources and it's time to think not only for our individual interests, but our collective ones as well.

Think people! WE have only 1 planet. We can all do little bits to make improvements.

Tom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhYy26-kV1g

ET,

Tell me one more time, what business are you in? What, in your business life, are you doing to reduce the carbon footprint of your clientele?

"This is however a best guess based on limited economic data so please take this observation with a large grain of salt. "

Then why post it?

Adds nothing and wastes bandwidth. Conservation begins at home.

If there not with you, they're against you, eh?

Posted by: champ | July 18, 2008 4:03 PM
That nailed it.
It's about winning. No principles involved.

Too bad I undermined some of it's efficacy with a typo. Foiled again!

And again!

ET,

Tell me one more time, what business are you in? What, in your business life, are you doing to reduce the carbon footprint of your clientele?

Posted by: Flatus | July 18, 2008 3:54 PM

I ride my bike to work for one thing...

I don't care if I am criticized for running a gas station... it's a job and nothing else. And a stressful one at that. My interest is my SHOP, not the filling of cars with fossil fuels. And it's not my decision how the products are distributed. I understand some "ethanol" is going to be added to the gas, but I don't care... I drive as little as possible, and I give each customer a folder of tips on how to conserve gasoline...

Do I pass?

Oh and this is the second time that I have gotten a rather dismissive comment on the blog for my profession. I find it highly unfair.

Riding your bike to work is great. Good for the environment and good for you too. I imagine with the retail cost of gas, people are happy to get the tips.

My house is a big leaking sieve. It was a summer house that has been added on to over the years. We don't have natural gas lines and have to use the unregulated propane industry. At first, propane was cheaper but now I'm thinking about switching out my remaining gas appliances for electric. The first thing will be an on demand water heater.

ps I live in a faux rural area - it seems like everything is 40 minutes away. A big change here has been a lot more car pooling and waiting to all your errands at one time. Public transportation is available but not very time efficient. If I want to go to Santa Rosa about 20 miles -- it would take two hours if I time it just right.

My apartment sucks. The windows are single pane and the frames are old aluminum which causes mold and mildew to come in... I try to keep the heat down in the winter and shut the door to my office so it isn't heated.

I don't ride the bike though if the weather is bad, as it has been the last 2 weeks... almost autumn like weather. yuck

I was thinking about Flatus' question in a larger context. I don't think I sell much of anything that is "healthy" Lots of booze, beer sugar snacks, candies, salty snacks and CIGARETTES... I sell it because I have to... And believe me, people are consuming less gasoline here... the price is oppressive !!!

KGC... I think the car pooling idea is GREAT! I often have to use my peugeot to pick up goods for the shop.. It has good "gas mileage" but it is diesel. It does not have back seats... it is only for professional reasons... but it drives well.

If I had a car with back seats too, I would try to organize communal trips to the store and such. We need energy but we also need to be smarter about using it. It ISN'T EASY! I stopped using my clothes dryer as much as possible.. and I even heat water in my elec. water cooker in the morning if I do a sponge bath because I have to waste a lot of water to get the warm water up and running.. As I type this I am thinking maybe I can have a bucket under the faucet to collect the water to use for plants or rinsing dishes or cleaning...

Other conservation tips anyone?

Everyone complains because I won't turn on the heat in the winter unless I think the pipes might freeze.
As far as I'm concerned they can just wear more clothes. Although I was a bit embarassed at dinner one night, when a guest was still wearing a coat.
My brother is still making fun of me for that.

"this is the second time that I have gotten a rather dismissive comment on the blog for my profession"

et, bet that dismissive commentator doesn't ride a bike to work everyday. probably drives a gas guzzler or causes someone else to drive one for him/her. must be a case of petrol envy.

ok but I don't ride my bike everyday !!! But I Try to ride as much as I can...

petrol envy! LOL...

I am probably overly sensitive because I am INCREDIBLY unhappy in what I do now, but I am looking at something new... time will tell if it will be possible for me or not.

" was thinking about Flatus' question in a larger context. I don't think I sell much of anything that is "healthy" Lots of booze, beer sugar snacks, candies, salty snacks and CIGARETTES... I sell it because I have to... And believe me, people are consuming less gasoline here... the price is oppressive !!!"

There's very little you can do at a gas station to change what food products people want to buy. I don't think arugula salads will fly.

And I scrolled back to read the dismissive comment and couldn't find it. Which post are you talking about?

If it was Flatus's I don't think that's what he meant. (I don't think he particularly meant it as dismissive.) Just what do you do in your business. Are there ways to be "greener"?

I know there are more things I could do at home, even though I do quite a bit.

And I think we know, Tom, who posted that dismissive comments long ago....ha

ETom....
if it was possible for me to send you a piece of the blueberry pies I'll be baking tomorrow.... I would....

yeah... I know it's sugar and white flour..... but in my experience.... fresh blueberries puts a smile on even the crabbiest of faces.....

hope you are able to do something different soon.....

McCain up with first negative TV ad against Obama
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/McCain_up_with_first_negative_TV_ad_against_Obama.html

'em old boys down in SC and jaw-jabamasippiana aint wearied bout no perduction values.....

Meet the Bloggers
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/18/meet-the-bloggers-and-sendkarlrovetojailcom/

KGC

I would think a heat pump would be very effective for you as both a cooling and heating. You rarely have very cold weather so the backup wouldn't be used much.

On helpig the poor. all I see is just help with the payment of the bill. Section 8 housing vouchers inspect a house for livability but the don't have energy usage requirement on appliances or insulation in the house.

Dooty
All of the different forms of alternative energy are coming more into the realm of possibility. Different places and houses will use differnt things. Right now I wouldn't know how to find out what is more effecient in my area. It may be research needs to be done and information spread.

Flatus
How far I should go to insulate and improve energy effeciency is a source of many family discussions when I buy an old house. I'm for stripping them to the studs and doing a total rehab. I think I can then be more picky with my renters and they will stay longer.
I hope I'm right. I would like some tax credits for being such a good citizen

Jack

Born in the USA? [UPDATE]

"Judah Benjamin, who has been doing extensive research, sent me a comment:

Two points. Under Article 97 of the Constitution of Kenya, or under The British Nationality Act 1948, it wouldn’t matter a damn WHERE Obama was born, British Crown Jurisdiction or not. It would sure as hell make a BIG difference in US Law!! Under US Law as it stood in 1961 he would not have had US Citizenship at all and could not have claimed it until November 1986. That would place him in the Naturalized Bracket.

NOTE: The question of whether Obama was born outside the US (such as Canada) is a separate (but related) issue from the question of dual citizenship — another major problem for him. "

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/

Are we at all sure that Bruce WAS born in the USA?

somebody get Gordo on this.......stat.

I believe he was born in New Jersey, So there maybe some question.

Jack

UB - just a response, not criticism.....You seem to have really changed personality since you decided to go for Obama. You may not have realized it, but I have.
It stunned me at first, but now I'm getting used to it.

As for what we discuss here, for one thing it is an open thread now. In addition our host has told us that he really enjoys when we talk about the ordinary things is our lives.

Champ - I agree with you about all this Obama campaigning around the world. The voters he needs to talk with are here. Frankly I think both candidates don't want to have to talk with us, and I don't blame them. It's pretty hairy here and making comments about it is a minefield.

Makes me wonder if they think they can keep this up till the election. Actually, maybe they can. Either way, I'll get my news slowly - I can't remember an election that's so depressing.....except for dumping W! God, I hope the door does hit him on the ass on the way out.

Patsi -- I have the Whitetrash Cookbook. My favorite recipe is for tomato sandwich -- white bread, mayo, season salt, a whole ripe tomato from the garden, eat over the sink.

KGC -- Oh yes! Love Hendricks Gin -- the cucumber gimlet sounds lovely. Will have to try it.

Dog's Eye -- That is fantastic news about HB Mayor Debbie Cook giving Rohrbacher a run for his money. I grew up there and back then the OC was solid GOP. I'm amazed that HB has a DEM Mayor. Last night's thread about police states reminded me of the HB Police Dept. They had one of the first SWAT teams in suburbia, which was regularly deployed to break up teenage beer bashes in the beach. We used to joke that HB had the most police per capita -- and there was some truth in it.

Love The Irony Dept.

From Oxford American Magazine: "Let Us Now Praise Fabulous Cooks" ~

In January of 1986, The New Yorker rejected an advertisement from the Jargon Society, a North Carolina literary press, for White Trash Cooking by Ernest Matthew Mickler. Camera-ready art and a check for $900 were returned. "We thought the title might offend our readers," a spokesperson for the magazine said.

http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/content.cfm?ArticleID=46&Entry=Extras

Alicia -- RE: White Trash

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/members/products/product_edit_design.aspx?itemno=37852685&side=F

"From Oxford American Magazine: "Let Us Now Praise Fabulous Cooks"

Thanks so much for that article -- wonderful!

That's not the point, boop,

He's not the President yet, he shouldn't be functioning in a diplomatic role as an equal with foreign leaders, unless....

He's already been coronated, which is my suspicion. Gettin' a jump start on his globalist agenda.

(Funny, "coronated" and "globalist" aren't in this spell-check database)

Yeah I can see it Boops, before I was never attacked personally. At the first attacks, I just tried to take the high road, but then it got very old. I have decided not to take the abuse that gets placed on my door step anymore.

As long as I was singing along bashing Obama, I was a-o-k , now when I stand up for myself, or get silly with some of my banter, I get criticized. That's what happens here, I am just one out of many that have had that experience.

I think I have only insulted one person personaly....I am sorry for that.

Other than that, I usually can put up with those I have known the longest.....as far as the "made up" names I am not so inclined to care. I am against anonymous posting but I know it is Craig choice.

And Boops, I haven't really been following any one poster here closely enough to be able to comment on their "change." I know for fact many regulars here, when they want to say something out of character, they just use a fake name so it can't be pinned on them.

I don't do that - never will - sorry for the interruption.

~peace

Jo Stafford Has passed away at 90

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-stafford18-2008jul18,0,527937.story

Biggest Hit: You Belong To Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1Imb6jm0U

Oops....count Max Cleland among those under the wheels of Obama's bus....

Max has been disinvited from an Atlanta event because he now works as a lobbyist. Never mind that the man who planned O's entire election strategy is a telecommunications lobbyist. Throw a Vietnam vet in the trash with Rev. Wright and Granny.

Dog -- At first I lived in Fountain Valley After Fountain Valley I moved to Newport Beach and lived a block away from the Newport Pier. My BF lived in Seal Beach. Memories of Huntington include the Golden Bear on PCH & Main, a long-gone night club where I saw Golden Earring, July 4th fireworks and surfer riots on the beach, Dukes and Ruby's on the pier.

Seal was famous for St. Patrick's Day. There used to be three Irish pubs on Main Street. The places would overflow by 2 in the afternoon and the party would continue out on the street and on to the beach.

dog, are you incapable of googling anything?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Obama_disinvited_lobbyist_Cleland.html

And you give drug dealers a bad name, Bry-Bry.

Local columnist for chas. city paper:

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A48519

Throughout the endless Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama used Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate vote in favor of the Iraq war against her, time and time again.

I thought it an unwise political move for Obama because, as much as his campaign invokes the "change" mantra, he is an old-school Chicago pol and had he been in the Senate at the time, I am certain he would have followed Clinton in the "aye" column.

You can imagine the boatloads of crap I have received from fellow Democrats for this opinion. One person had the gall to tell me that unacknowledged racism was the basis for my "opinion" (her air quotes). Of course, she supports school vouchers, so I didn't sweat her "accusation" (my air quotes).

Obama, heading into next month's convention, doesn't want to look weak on national security to Middle America and is following an established strategy of moving to the center.

His characterization of the law as "improved but imperfect" is not only disingenuous, but also a blithe relegation of Fourth Amendment protections to the dustbin of history.

It's more than a little ironic given that Obama received the Kennedy imprimatur, yet returned the favor with a McCain-style "yea."

Hillary Clinton never disavowed her Iraq war vote and maybe that cost her the nomination.

Last Wednesday, she voted "no" on the new FISA.

I knew what you meant, Champ, and I agree whole-heartedly. I do think he wants to appear presidential and to get some foreign policy experience, since he's been slammed for having none.

I'm just also disturbed by both of them going overseas so much - I don't want the rest of the world to be courted. What we need to do to get the world back on our side is act responsibly, but that should happen after the election to some degree. Just getting rid of W is going to make the world cheer.

I just think HERE is a dangerous place for any politician because they could so easily mis-speak or make a mistake in judgement. We've got so many problems here I wish they would stay here and show us what they're made of - that's probably what they're afraid of. They don't know for sure what they're made of.

Someone has to make the first move, to create a position so the other one can be a contrast. It looks as if McCain made the first move with his ad.

I do agree that he has no standing to be conducting foreign policy, and that McCain doesn't either.

UB - I hadn't noticed anybody insulting you, that's why I noticed the change. However, I'm the first to admit that a lot of stuff like that goes over my head. I for one haven't thought less of you for going for Obama - what other people believe is up to them. I have enough trouble running my own life - want no responsiblity for anyone else's!

UB

"I know for fact many regulars here, when they want to say something out of character, they just use a fake name so it can't be pinned on them."

We are really kindred spirits on this one. I really think doing this is both petty and cowardly. The consistent silly names are fine. You know the person behind the name and how they think and feel. These drive by single shots are the tools of a chicken shit unwilling to take responsibility for their words.

Why do you expect to be bribed for doing the right thing?

Why not? Now we subsidize the wrong behavior.

Patsi

http://shop.cafepress.com/white-trash

I Love the "My Trailer or Yours" :-)

http://politickeroh.com/index.php?q=img_assist/popup/392

Jamie -- Yes, that's funny! And I like, "White by birth, Trash by choice."

Jo Stafford and Gordon MacRae singing
Whispering Hope - beyond description.

"shut the fuck up. "

See, BryBry -- here's the problem. I will respond anytime I think you are being stupid or acting like an arrogant bully. And you cannot intimidate me with any of your name calling...why? Two reasons:

1. I think you are basically ignorant.
2. I know you are basically mean.

I might put up with mean, but never stupid.

Bethy -- glad you mentioned Whispering Hope -- had forgotten about it...wonderful!

Yeah but it is still her basement isn't it. Don't blame her for moving to Florida

Jack

Just got home, man it's hot outside.....
Jamie thanks for your comment.

The MCCain ad won't make sense when it hits the air, if Obama is in Iraq.....it won't make sense....

Take your pick: Global warming, over fishing for global food supplies, or oil spills

They are all very dead

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080718/Brazil.Dead.Penguins/

I've heard some comments today from a young couple that is totally confused as to what is true, or not true, about each candidate....they are considering not voting....

It's so sad......

we need to get off oil, for all the right reasons, doesn't mean the rest of the world will follow.....

Bush is isolated because no one likes him.

See, Patsi-- here's the problem. I will respond anytime I think you are being stupid or acting like an arrogant bully. And you cannot intimidate me with any of your name calling...why? Two reasons:

1. I think you are basically ignorant.
2. I know you are basically mean.

I might put up with mean, but never stupid. And you are always both.

"I've heard some comments today from a young couple that is totally confused as to what is true, or not true, about each candidate....they are considering not voting....It's so sad......"

Yes it is. I had the same experience today, UB. The woman who sometimes cleans my house said she and her husband -- a teacher! -- don't know what to believe and will probably not vote....then she started in on things they'd heard about both candidates.

I understand not liking either candidate -- I don't either. But not for the bizarre reasons that are out there.

~~ashamed....lol....you do know who you are talking about~~

KO has a good show tonight

If he actually carries through on it, this is indeed a point in Obama's favor:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/beyond/2008/07/obama-endorses-calls-for-new-f.html

whskyjack,

Isn't it delightful to know how easy it is to elicit a completely outrageous attack. It isn't really even sport, more like shooting fish in a barrel.

Now, I have to get ready for the drive to Oak Hill, NY for a day & night of bluegrass music.

Aha -- so now we have narrowed down the anon posters on the O-team to at least two or three people....interesting.

lol

Look Patsi
His big sister showed up better look out she might give you a whoopin'.

Jack

Wrong again Patsi and Jack-off. As you would say, ROFL!

Patsi,

Here's a test, "Are you really a Southerner?"

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/25552.html

Well, be careful this weekend, Bow....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25741296/

Bowmanc

True, but I always did enjoy rattling the door just to make the dog bark.

One of my several failings.

Jack

Well at least that anonymous one showed up with at least half an accurate description.

Would someone please take out the trash.

Phil Gramn - threw himself under the McCain express....self inflicted

LOL

White trash it makes no difference who you are, it is the roll you playing
LOL

your the big sister of the spoiled little brat.

Jack

Jamie.....~~how big is the trash bag? ~~

Patsi,

Re the updating of the poverty guidelines. That would be an interesting subject to get into. How do you deliver those services in a way to actually benefit those in poverty while protecting children and other dependents.

The trouble with some of these programs is that they are federally funded and mandated but have no real local oversight. Too much one size fits all and too little defense agains fraud and abuse.

~~~ does this work??? ~~~

I always thought that ( ~ ) was like a wave, never knew it meant sarcasm

UB

It may take a role of the super gigantic size.

Jamie -- that test is funny -- I'm afraid I should have studied up! Plus the high on the hog question interests me...I'm sure that Alton Brown says the best ham is from the butt, not the shoulder. I have to try to find that info because now you've got me interested!

Of course, because they now fatten hogs to slaughter in about 3-4 months instead of a year, none of it tastes like it used to.

What do you use to get the flaming tildes of sarcasm?

Patsi

I was amazed that I knew there were 7 vienna sausages in a can. :-)

that would be the best out there, as far as I can see....but I don't know all the character in each font...there's no font choice here....

never really use anything, therefore....most likely pissed many people off....lol unintentionally

Jamie on my key board it is the key in the upper left just under the Esc key.

Jack

Oh and in honor of that fuzzy stuff hanging in the oak trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM

Jack-off
You are the spoiled little brat. Everybody with a brain knows it. And I'm not your sister.

what is in a vienna sausage? use to feed to my babies, but can't remember looking at ingredients....cow? pig?both?

"The trouble with some of these programs is that they are federally funded and mandated but have no real local oversight."

Yes -- our entire social services system is in drastic need of an overhaul. We know that it better be done by tough people who actually give a damn or everything will be gutted.

Jack

That really looks tiny barely an apostrophe not a nice and wavy symbol

````````````

~~~~~~~~~~

Never mind ~~~~~~~~

I can now be more sarcastic than usual

~~~~~~~no wonder they hate me now~~~~

But Jamie how do you pronounce it, that is what is important.

A common Ozark pronunciation v,eye,in, ee.
It is fairly common oldtime dialect to pronounce names ending with an, a, as a long e.

Jack

~~~the flaming tilde of sarcasm button~~~

jamie```````````````ooops shift~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jack

Don't know what's in them, UB -- I used to buy something called chicken or turkey sticks that looked exactly like vienna sausages...my kids loved them. But when my granddaughter visited a week or so ago, I got her some and she hates 'em....:)

~~~~~~~~sister # 2 the even handed one~~~~~~~~

All of my southerness is second hand from aunts and grandmother. Mom lost most of hers. Scottish burr from dad and grandfather got added in.

Anyone listening to me doesn't have a clue where I'm from except that it isn't where they were born. :-)

"We know that it better be done by tough people who actually give a damn or everything will be gutted."

The biggest problem is that it isn't being run by people who hope that some day they won't have a job.

Kids these days are sophisticated .... get her some tofu...

Patsi

The grandaughter has good taste

Jack

Go Larry Hunter!

yes, someone who isn't afraid....more power to him

We were talking about the differences in the 50s

Here's a song about when kids started to listen to their own music and times were really starting to change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_bkuAZD8A

And the song that was the chorus - The Five Satins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBT3oDMCWpI&feature=related

I understand when people are a afraid to embrace the idea of "change" because of employment, but the individuals.....who are free to do whatever they like......I don't understand ...especially since Obama's position are so close to HRCs.

I have not heard one reason that is solid for support McCain and continued Republican rule.

I love my Pandora Radio.

Has anyone else created a radio station they want to share?

yes, John McCain actually stepped in it....it's all recorded, he has embraced the President....and the ideals that go along with that.....even when he knew better (especially re:torture)...that was McCain literally selling his soul

imo

you know...people think like that.....they may be the same people that believe pro wrestling is real.......hope they aren't registered to vote

http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1-caesarforobamaseal2.jpg?w=300&h=295

http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1-obamas-got-talent56.jpg?w=500&h=344

Gordo - what's up? Is this the new assignment?

"I understand when people are a afraid to embrace the idea of "change" because of employment, but the individuals.....who are free to do whatever they like......I don't understand ...especially since Obama's position are so close to HRCs."

I don't think all that many people are actually voting for McCain. Nor do I think anybody really knows what "change" means to Obama other than a campaign slogan for a clinically depressed country.

Omg - Craig will be so proud.....That took a lot of time for someone to put that together......

Patsi

I love the Jib Jab cartoon with Obama on the Unicorn. They really nailed the whole over the top movement.

I've resigned myself to voting for him simply because there isn't any viable alternative, but I still find all this adoration at the throne a little on the gag a maggot side of human behavior.

P.S.

I'll like him a whole lot better in FEbruary when he settles down to just being a politician.

not only depressed but not being treated......Hopefully with a change in Administration,,,America will realize that the brain is an organ in the body that requires treatment, treatment that is covered by insurance....

I think I was asked if I was the devil....because I was commenting on Larry Hunter's comments.....

LoL.... okay to the person afraid to show yourself....

Larry Hunter....talked about those afraid.....it's an unfortunate place to live

Oh and stubborn me. I still think if Obama picks anyone other than Hillary Clinton for VP he is settling for second best , caving in to his super lib supporters instead of using his best judgement, and saying he doesn't have the power to hold his position in space.

I don't believe the third item is true so there is no reason for him not to name her.

Jamie,
I think and hope that over time Obama win be able to show you who he really is and that it turns out to be someone good hearted, seriously involved and sincere in his efforts. I believe he is smart enough for the position, and has a solid sense of what is happening in our country.

How great would it be, if he was just what America needed?

A man who can lead and inspire, and get things accomplished?

UB, this is in regards to your earlier post about someone taking you to task, also Bethy's thinking you have changed.

Here's my take on all that. You are much like Pokey from The Group. She kind of bopped along through life, sometimes paying attention and sometimes not. That's how you are on the message board -- and I don't blame you. Sometimes it's easy just to skim through things. BUT, then some of your comments seem like they are coming from Mars, while others are spot on. So people aren't always sure what you are talking about...:)

If Hillary wants the VP, I would support her in that, but don't you think that has already been decided?

Yeah, boop, quite frankly I don't give a damn about the rest of the world's opinions on our government. My contention with the Bush administration and both congresses under his tenure is that they have driven our economy, our military, and our civil liberties into the ground.

There's something to be said for reputation, but I don't believe it should be a primary motivator. Do what's best for Americans, and let others think what they will. As it is now, It looks like the majority of Americans are ready to toss our sovereignty away for the sake of some whiny Europeans.

I remember someone quoted a European saying "We want America back". Well, tough cookies, it's our country, not theirs.

ET,

This is your message from 3:37 PM:

"Look, people need to start thinking about the sustainability of our planet. We Americans have acted like buying gas at prices that keep us smiling and traveling is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT! We are overusing the world's resources and it's time to think not only for our individual interests, but our collective ones as well.

Think people! WE have only 1 planet. We can all do little bits to make improvements."

Tom, I certainly wasn't criticizing you for the choice of work you're doing; I don't do that type of thing.

But I did sense, in your above comment, that you were being overly judgmental of us. We, collectively, are victims of our circumstance and environment just as you describe with your own situation in your later comments.

I was trying to have you recognize the absolute futility of any effort on your part to make a meaningful change in reducing consumption in the fuel side of your business. For example, if you convened a meeting of all your fellow service station operators in your region and proposed restricting fuel sales hours to 0700 to 1900 daily with no sales on Sundays, what do you think the reaction of your suppliers would be? Do you think they would be pleased at your effort to significantly reduce fuel consumption?

All of us are trying to reduce our energy consumption just to reduce the cash flow out of our pockets. That's a greater motivator than saving the whales (for most people).

But we all have to understand, freezing our butts off in winter or melting in the summer heat is not conservation.

Tom, I wasn't trying to offend you; I apologize for having done so.

UB

All of that is well and good. WE have been fortunate to have men such s that in office. I just don't like the sense that he is a shade too in love with his own publicity image.

He has all the requirements to be great at the job unless he gets lost in the publicity and forgets the practicalities. His experience is limited. That means he is going to have to rely on others to fill in the blanks as he grows into the position. Who he chooses to fill in those blanks are going to be the measurement of his success or failure.

There are plenty of viable alternatives, Jamie. The GOP, Dems, and the media would just like you to believe otherwise. If we want our democracy back (if that's even possible), people need to stop believing the aforementioned. We're getting hustled.

"but don't you think that has already been decided?"

It may have been decided. Whether or not it was decided for the best is the question at hand. I'm waiting to see what he does.

If you do use Pandora it has this neat feature. You put in an artist you like and then it adds in more of the type. My surprise tonight: James Booker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooy1T6YDUko

Patsi,
I'll take that to heart....maybe that 's just who I am....I really don't pretend to be anything I am not.....

I am on facebook and I have a blog.....I am not a closed book and I'm not trying to impress people here or anywhere....I like it here because I learn a lot, I like the differences...I find them interesting.......

What I don't like isn't really important until ....I feel like commenting....nbd....(no big deal)

Maybe it should be someone else's turn on the couch.

"So, you know, to me, it's a case of, really, I think, in many ways, federal politics is very much like pro-wrestling. In front of us, the public, they pretend they're angry with each other and they pretend to not like each other. But in the back rooms, they're all buddies and cutting deals. And I think that's what the two parties do today at the federal level."

-Jesse Ventura, 7/14/08

...coming from a guy who would know. Another guy who would make a great president. Too smart to get involved, unfortunately.

The Audacity of Vanity

"Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

It is a subject upon which he can dilate effortlessly. As Hudson Institute economist Irwin Stelzer noted in his London Daily Telegraph column, "Moses made the waters recede, but he had help." Obama apparently works alone.

After all, in the words of his own slogan, "we are the ones we've been waiting for," which, translating the royal "we," means: " I am the one we've been waiting for."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071701839.html

Jamie -- The Redneck test is funny -- too many sports questions for me though. At least I know that you have to bawl peanuts fer longer'n hour. And they best be green peanuts too.

Jamie absolutely,
Who he chooses is very important, and I think he has a wealth of choices at this point in time.....which is even more exciting....now if he chooses Rev Wright...I'll be pissed....lol

I hope you understand what I am trying to say, VP and the cabinet ..... there are so many good democrats out there....to me it all looks positive....especially when compare to McCain

Champ

He had his chance in the catbird seat and blew it. Just being a cynic isn't enough. You have to know how to turn the wheels of power.

Schwarzenegger has done fairly well even as a moderate Republican up against a legislature of Super libs with a smattering of flat earth rights in a state with every modern problem there is hyped up off the wild end of the richter scale.

Say no evil about Arnold around me. He is just as brilliant now as when he was barely a Santa Monica somebody. He does well with what he has to work with.

For you vienna sausage lovers.
http://www.mountainsoul.net/vienna.html

A site that gives you several tasty ways to cook your Vienna sausage. With trail cooking tips and recipes.

Complete with a list of the ingredients and the method of preperation of your vienna sausage.

I was enjoyed the smoked vienna and the viennas and marshmallows.

LOL

Jack

Obama's vote on FISA shows he lies.

There's no doubt that Barack Obama reversed his earlier position on FISA "reform" legislation when he voted for that scandalous bill. It's equally clear I think (that the sellout was a political calculation, a tactical retreat, rather than a rethinking of the rule of law or the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. As kos has remarked, it was a tactical blunder. His FISA reversal was a major leap forward in the Obama campaign's rush this summer to undermine his image as a principled leader with the courage of his own convictions. It's a sickening spectacle of self-inflicted damage. dkos

Just another decider.

"What I don't like isn't really important until ....I feel like commenting....nbd....(no big deal)"

Don't take those comments as a negative, UB....I think it's an kind of endearing trait....once I figured out where some of the comments were coming from. A few times I went back to see if I could piece it together....because you often don't quote the thing you are referencing.

It's not a criticism at all. (Plus Pokey is one of the few well adjusted people in the book....)

I'm no disciple of Reagan, and you're no Henny Youngman.

Shining example of why middle Americans despise pretentious New York metropolitans. You do your candidate no favors. One hell of a masochist, though. Here's to you; every good story needs a villain.

LOL
Champ
He shoots, he scooooooooooores

LOL

Jack

Jamie: Allow me to second your sentiment on Ah-nold. I didn't vote for him because I was angry about the recall situation. But I realized, as many others did, that Gov Schwarzenegger could never have won a Republican primary and I am happy that I was proven wrong.
Given California's arcane and idiotic Constitution, filled with initiative-inspired mandates, it's a wonder to me that the Gubernator has done as well as he has. He is exactly the right fit for California.

"It's not a criticism at all. (Plus Pokey is one of the few well adjusted people in the book....)"

I was going to mention that, but you beat me to it.

UB, Being called "Pokey" from the group is a compliment. She may be vague at times, but she is one of the few that really has her life togehter.

It's a good if somewhat dated book.

~~~~~~I'd like to say that there are some really f*cked up people here~~~~~~~primarily the sh*t heads that comment anonymously ~~~~~they are the people that lie and cheat themselves out of a true life.....so sad....but not my problem. : )

Sh*t I don't know sh*t!

: )

I am laughing over here.....o k

"UB, this is in regards to your earlier post about someone taking you to task, also Bethy's thinking you have changed.

Here's my take on all that. You are much like Pokey from The Group. She kind of bopped along through life, sometimes paying attention and sometimes not. That's how you are on the message board -- and I don't blame you. Sometimes it's easy just to skim through things. BUT, then some of your comments seem like they are coming from Mars, while others are spot on. So people aren't always sure what you are talking about...:)"
Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 9:17 PM

Good God, woman!
Who died and made you chief of the political 'splainers?
What arrogance! How rude!

It's too easy, Jack. It's like playing the Washington Generals.

Patsi: You were talking about Alton Brown and the his preference for pork butt over pork shoulder earlier?
Actually, the shoulder is commonly known as a Boston butt (because it's the butt end of the limb) and that is supposedly the preferred cut for pulled pork.
That is the cut I use for Mexican-style shredded pork and it works very well.

Jamie,
Remember when I started out to read one good book? Well I bought it....it's beautiful....it's in the back seat of my car.....it's so pretty...but a constant reminder of what I haven't done...ouch!...to make matters worse I told my mother to read th same book so we could discuss it......well she's reading and I am looking.

such is life

"Some of us see this in a different light, Jamie."
signed Butt Out

apparently not enough to take responsibility for your words.

Yes, Jamie -- actually, Pokey was my favorite person in the whole book ...."Who'd a' thunk it?" ROFL!

Some of you people who think you're so perfect need to go back and read today's posts. The garbage today was started and continued by Jack and Patsi, with help from some of their posse - like Katherine Graham Cracker, probably posing as several different people, and Jamie and some others. It's time to do some growing up.

When the cats away, they mice will play...

Speaking of cats, time to hit the bar.

R A Absurdum: (whoever you are)
In your FISA post you speak of Sen Obama's as a principled leader with the courage of his own convictions.
Do you have any idea what his principles and core convictions are?

you know.....there is no end to some peoples anger

think about this blog and think about the middle east

can you see any similarities

peace is a practice, not just an idea

Champ

LOL
Your right

When Maggisd is cracking on your butt it is time to retire for the night.

Jack

Jamie,
Apparently not. Some of us don't want to be attacked by you or your friends.

LOL

~~~~~~ I see the sisters are helping there poor picked on brother~~~~~~~~

"Now tell us your ducking sniper fire story, LOL"

How have I changed by mind and what are you talking about?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

whskyjack

your a real grade A pr*!* sometimes

Anderson Cooper is doing a full bio on Obama. It looks pretty good if a little adoring.

Some of you people who think you're so perfect need to go back and read today's posts. The garbage today was started and continued by Jack and Patsi, with help from some of their posse - like Katherine Graham Cracker, probably posing as several different people, and Jamie and some others. It's time to do some growing up.

Posted by: none so blind | July 18, 2008 10:00 PM

If they hate everyone here so much, why don't they stay over where they came from. Instead, they choose to come here and insult everyone and prevent new posters from arriving.

No I said I was a writer and editor. Mainly technical materials, political papers, and radio presentations.

What does that have to do with changing my mind?

wow wild ride on the fake name convention

wow like I said before .....f*cked up people

"What arrogance! How rude!"

ROFL -- obviously not a reader of books or he/she would know Pokey is not a slam....

Seems to me that it is anonymous posters with ever-changing pseudonyms who are taking great delight in stirring a pot that really bubbles along quite well without help.
Who are you?

just before they set their sights one me...I am a stupid snob nazi bitch.....

Some of you people who think you're so perfect need to go back and read today's posts. The garbage today was started and continued by Jack and Patsi, with help from some of their posse - like Katherine Graham Cracker, probably posing as several different people, and Jamie and some others. It's time to do some growing up.

Posted by: none so blind | July 18, 2008 10:00 PM

If they hate everyone here so much, why don't they stay over where they came from. Instead, they choose to come here and insult everyone and prevent new posters from arriving.

Posted by: a dog is a dog by any name | July 18, 2008 10:07 PM

Missed the part about hating anybody. Hmmmmm.

"What arrogance!"

Plus, you can't irritate me too much. I made my deadline today and got my house cleaned by someone other than myself. It's all good.

I wish you could take my dogs......dang

Maggisd

I used to think RA was a sock puppet, but today he was doing more than mocking. He was engaging in a valid comment or two.
As I read his comment he said Obama in the fisa vote was underminding his reputation of being straight and principled , not that Obama was straight and principled.

Jack

Burrito: May I ask you why you are so angry today? I know I am an old fuddy-duddy but I find that the language you are using today doesn't sound at all the way you usually sound.

"Anderson Cooper is doing a full bio on Obama."
============================
"OBAMA TELLS GLAMOUR MAG “TELL ME TO MY FACE”: Problem Is Obama Is A Coward To Stand Face To Face With A Real Challenge."

http://larrysinclair0926.com/?p=512

none so blind....honey, it's obvious who you are....give it up. Either have the nerve to say what you want...or hide....

that "dog" post wasn't the real dog post.....do you think Jamie?

this is getting complex for the tired

Nah, I only read toilet paper. It's just the super smart people like you who think you have the right to tell everyone else what's wrong with them Like I said, what arrogance! how rude!

"What arrogance! How rude!"

ROFL -- obviously not a reader of books or he/she would know Pokey is not a slam....

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:11 PM

that's funny maggs -I am not angry at all

who else thinks I am angry? ....weird

I don’t find you insufferable, just your behavior.
Your insult other’s intelligence, motivation, grasp and fundamental human decency, while holding yourself to be a model of moral rectitude, all-encompassing knowledge and, always, right.
Whatever interest you may profess in rational discussion seems to take a back seat to your short-sighted polemics.
Have you no respect for others OR their analysis?
Can you even hear anyone else?
You have just about convinced me that, like your candidate, you’ve no interest in anything which does not serve your ends, whatever they may be.
Basically, you articulate a ’scorched-earth’ attitude regarding your candidate, the rest of us, truth, and any attempt at honest discourse

Holy shit, people! Settle down... It's like friggin' WWIV up in this joint.

OK, out for real this time.

Jack: That was my point, exactly. I didn't mean it to be insulting so much as to express my own confusion. I am waiting still to grasp what Sen Obama's core principles really are.
I know there are certain policies he espouses -- none of them particularly new, all the standard liberal policies that I more or less support myself. But I don't know where it is that he takes the position, here I stand and I will not be moved.
Not saying that I can point to dozens of other politicians who are more principled than he ... it is just that I don't know what it is I'm supposed to be so excited about.

This is a joke, right?

Seems to me that it is anonymous posters with ever-changing pseudonyms who are taking great delight in stirring a pot that really bubbles along quite well without help.
Who are you?

Posted by: maggisd Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:11 PM

burrito: Sorry if I offended. I am not used to seeing so many um err (to me at least) obscene words in your posts. As I said, I know I'm an old fuddy-duddy...I just assumed that you must be really upset about something.

if you are confused about Obama, why not look at him issue by issue.....at least it would provide a start.....here's one issue dear to my heart

http://unlikelyburrito.blogspot.com/2008/07/bushs-cell-block_12.html

UB

No I don't think that was the real Dog. It didn't sound like her.

That's the trouble with the fly bys. We probably shouldn't respond to them at all since they obviously only want to start trouble.

no just "toying" with the rest of them

champ

out side of know entities and bastards such as myself

There are only two others I think.

Jack

This is obviously an attempt at a hostile takeover, or a coup of some sort. I still say ... who are you?

none so blind....honey, it's obvious who you are....give it up. Either have the nerve to say what you want...or hide....

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:15 PM

out me then, sugar lump

I really dislike the anon posts....because that discounts everyone here equally....because we never really know....talk about evil...a deception that inflicts distrust of all others....

it's really unacceptable because it doesn't have to happen...

that's my take on it...

UB

Definitely on your side on the stem cell debate. Also,

I love the photo you chose for the Vote Obama 2008. Don't they look pretty together? :-)

OK, I finally figured out which pair of shoes will get me laid, and the answer is: none of them. Birkenstocks it is. Betulas actually, I'm too cheap for Birks.

From one bastard to another...

yes they do : )

burrito: TY for the reference. I, too, am in favor of embryonic stem cell research. I do not think of that as a principle so much as a policy with the underlying principle of believing in scientific research.
Unless he has changed his mind in recent weeks, however, Sen McCain is also in favor of embryonic stem cell research. It is one of the things the fundies don't like about him.

This is obviously an attempt at a hostile takeover, or a coup of some sort. I still say ... who are you?

Posted by: maggisd Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:25 PM

exactly who I said I am

"wow like I said before .....f*cked up people"

You see which crowd is doing most of the anonymous drive-by slamming, don't you? (Nazi bitch! ROFL! I like it almost as much as when "someone" refers to me as one with cloven hooves!) :)

Champ....hate to break it to you...it's not your shoes

Well champ, Good luck.
If you get a good story out of it post it over on lardos space.
Don't expect the truth cause as the late Robert Hienlein said "everybody lies about sex"

Jack

UB, Jamie: My brother was a medical professor and researcher in the field of genetic microbiology. Years before the general public (or most of the medical profession) had any knowledge of the concept. His work was primarily in oncology, but of course the landscape has broadened since then.
My one caveat about the use of stem cells for treatment is that -- particularly in genetic conditions -- they cannot cure the underlying problem. The only therapy that will rid us of genetic illnesses is pre-pregnancy testing ... and that is a subject that most people find very disturbing.

Okay

Can we do a blog gang up on the anonymous posters as being totally worthless to the conversation?

Obama folks?

Clintonistas and misc. diehards :)?

"You see which crowd is doing most of the anonymous drive-by slamming, don't you? (Nazi bitch! ROFL! I like it almost as much as when "someone" refers to me as one with cloven hooves!) :)"

There's a laugh. But it isn't funny.

I have a glass of wine and Pandora is playing "Carefree Highway"

Go ahead. Try to bother me. :-)

Posted by: Jamie | July 18, 2008 10:37 PM

Planning on burning a cross on anonymous comments? If you don't like it, ignore it.

No McCain is quite clear on this....visit his site....he's trying to hold on to the right.....
If you ever listen to Science Friday NPR - you should have a full understanding of the damage the Bush years have done for development and research. The rest of the world isn't waiting....we can't afford to be beholden to foreign technology as well as oil.

thanks for taking the time to look... :) I am not the devil- devilish maybe.....

I am certainly ready to agree that the anonymous posters are worthless. And worse than that. Agents provacateurs ...

Okay

Can we do a blog gang up on the anonymous posters as being totally worthless to the conversation?

Obama folks?

Clintonistas and misc. diehards :)?

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:37 PM

If it brings you people together on something, my work will be done.

Jack

A Heinlein fan? Tell me tell me: Favorite book?

Around our place we have been known to refer to the notebooks as "The Bible"

"If it brings you people together on something, my work will be done"

Don't be silly. This is a political blog. : )

UB: I am well aware of the years we have lost in this research. Although I would not ever claim to have the fine scientific mind my brother did, I have been interested in this field for more than 20 years... because of him.

Ooo, I like that.

But maggisd, my comments are not any more worthless than all the stupid fighting that goes on on this blog all day long every day, day after day, until some of us want to puke all over the shoes of those who can't seem to let anything go.

Maggs,
I find it difficult to understand why you want to support more of the same....respectfully..... I hope you look at your choices

The NIH is out of the stem cell game. Individual states like Wisconsin and California have taken over. California's budget is over 3 billion.

"No McCain is quite clear on this....visit his site....he's trying to hold on to the right.....
If you ever listen to Science Friday NPR - you should have a full understanding of the damage the Bush years have done for development and research. "

No question about it, UB.

Michigan , is really doing a great job in this area......

Burrito: Just back from a furious round of googling. Numerous stories on the fact that Sen McCain continues to support embryonic stem cell research (and has voted that way). He has, however, voted against so-called fetal farming and human cloning.

Here is an interesting recent article on the areas where the views of Sen McCain and Sen Obama converge
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-centrists13-2008jul13,0,4649817.story

Jamie......waldo......the puppet masters.....and his (at least two) non-fiction ones are great......

When I lived in California....the rest of the world didn't exist.....

it's not anything but a truthful comment...CA is so cutting edge, and progressive, they can't keep up with the old school...that would make them move backwards....

Just read
Dragon's teeth by James Hetley

a modern fantasy, a bit noir, set in Maine
Was a good read.

On the bed
Little grrl lost , by Charles Delint
the master of Urban fantasy

Up next
Safe and Sound, JD Rhoades
A great writr of action crime novels called Redneck noir
All of his books so far have had such believable character that I said to my self I know those folks, I just didn't realise they had made it to North Carolina where they are set.

Jack

"dog -- as far as saying I was the one who started negative posting....complete BS and you know it."

Nice try, Patsi. Dog is nicer than I am.

You did say that this morning, didn't you? And a bunch of other garbage too. A lot of the trouble on this blog starts when people just can't stay out of other people's posts. On both sides.

well on his current web-site, which expresses his position to the voters....he supports it as long as it's not "embryonic" stem cells

Maybe McCain should make up his mind and stick to it.

agent provacateur

"my comments are not any more worthless than all the stupid fighting that goes on on this blog all day long every day, day after day"

Yes they are worthless. Because you have no consistent identity. Unless you choose to remain "agent provacateur" and forsake all other identities, you are nothing more than graffitti on a wall ... a moment's thought or humor, not a communication with fellow beings.

STurgeone

I think we have them all. Heinlein is a great favorite.

Among my other favorites: Spider Robinson and your almost namesake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Sturgeon

Jamie I'm reasonably certain one of the trolls will start cursing in a minute.
Jack

Sturgeone

Every once in a while this place does take on the characteristics of Callahan's.

agent provacateur

"my comments are not any more worthless than all the stupid fighting that goes on on this blog all day long every day, day after day"

Yes they are worthless. Because you have no consistent identity. Unless you choose to remain "agent provacateur" and forsake all other identities, you are nothing more than graffitti on a wall ... a moment's thought or humor, not a communication with fellow beings.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 10:57 PM

Then none so blind is right, and you are deaf too. My identity may be hidden, but at least I'm aware enough to recognize truth. Some people on this blog need to take a good look at how they behave.

Jamie,
nice try...but it's up to Craig. We can express whatever we like...but it's not going to change, unless Craig decides to change it.

I can see the value in making it an identified forum....more credibility, more valued opinions...maybe an effort for more substantiated comments.

It's something to think about.

Jamie I'm reasonably certain one of the trolls will start cursing in a minute.
Jack

Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:02 PM

Sh*t! Sh*t! Sh*t!
Happy now, Jack?
from one agent provacateur to another

Burrito: If I lived in your state, I might make a different choice. But I live in a state that -- if it doesn't go overwhelmingly for Sen Obama -- he has no chance of winning at all.
As I have said before -- #1. I actually like Sen McCain, whom I almost consider that I know personally
and
#2. I am part of the only generation that has never had a President. It's generational solidarity.

You must admit that, although I sometimes defend Sen McCain, I have not tried to change anyone's mind nor to proselytize on his behalf.

Jamie -- we've talked about the new tv season...did you notice that Monk and Psyche had their season premiers tonight?

I'm not saying not to keep your identity hidden. I'm saying to choose ONE hidden identity. Be a person not a wisp of something floating in the air.

weirdo alert! lol

see this is the issue...no one who isn't involved here would take the time to even engage.....maybe it's a return of someone who ......left suddenly......or left by force.....

weirdo alert! lol

“Here's my take on all that. You are much like Pokey from The Group. She kind of bopped along through life, sometimes paying attention and sometimes not. That's how you are on the message board -- and I don't blame you. Sometimes it's easy just to skim through things. BUT, then some of your comments seem like they are coming from Mars, while others are spot on. So people aren't always sure what you are talking about...:)”

It’s my turn on the couch.

One thing for sure. I can tell it is FRI --- DAY --- NIGHT!!! Seems like everyone is cel – ah – brating!!!

UB, You rock. IMO, you are solid and you make more sense than most on here. Go right along bopping in life. That will get you more than bitter regret. Maybe UB’s got a clue that the world keeps turning and we must keep it that way? Possibly, unlike some of the rest of you?

From what I have heard and read that you have posted, you take everything you read to heart and comprehend it, unlike some.

Interesting television tonight! So many Repugs coming out to endorse and talk about the merits of an Obama presidency!! Or, were many of you on here bashing each other?

Patsi

No. Neither is a favorite of mine, I sometime watch them if they are there. Monk was fine the first couple of season and then I got a bit bored with the quirks.

The two cable shows I'm still very much in to are on TNT: The Closer and Saving Grace, particularly Saving Grace.

Jamie

Right now it is, JOB, a Comedy of Justice.
But that it is one that I just reread.
It could be others later.
I have them all.

I really enjoyed Robinson original Star dance but found the later books in the series to be not as good. I liked mind killer too. most of his Callahan stories are nice candy but are losing quality as is most of his writings in the last 10 years. I think he has run out of ideas.

Jack

Maggs,
I give you credit for standing up for your beliefs....I have never felt anything for you but respect....even if I wish that you would cast your vote for Obama , I understand.....

not a weirdo, burrito. not at all. just someone who has become fed up with the crap that passes for grown-up conversation around here.

Karolenna........over here......

-------Fist bump~Ohio girls! --------
: )

Burrito: BTW, I think Sen McCain's website will probably cost him votes. He really ought to get rid of whoever designed that thing.

If you read his statement really really carefully, you will note that he is against the "intentional" destruction of embryos for research purposes. Weasel words, of course. He has said in statements and speeches that if frozen embryos are going to be discarded anyway ... etc, etc. It is essentially the same position as Gordon Smith, Orrin Hatch and one or two other presumably pro-life Republicans.
So, he hasn't changed his position -- he's just emphasizing it differently. BTW, I don't think any Democrat supports fetal farming, cloning, etc either ... at least I'd be surprised to find that any of them did.

offended...why not speak in your own words....you have a valid point.....stand up for it with you real voice.....

if you do that people will listen.....

Jack

Yes Spider is running out of puns, but the series is still fun. My personal favorite it Ursula LaGuin I started reading her with "The Left Hand of Darkness' and love the Earthsea novels.

Then there is Asimov.

“Jamie I'm reasonably certain one of the trolls will start cursing in a minute.
Jack“

Not me, Jack, and if anyone could incite that it would be you!!!! And, I’m considered a …………troll!! (Actually, I prefer…..smartass)

And, I completely agree with the “grown up conversation”. Never have seen such juvenile behavior on a blog before!! But, this is my contribution.

Right on, Ohio Girl (UB). Way to rock!!

jamie

Did you ever hang out on a usenet group called Alt.Callahans. It used to be about the sanest unmoderated group around but it got to big and broke apart with a bunch going over to live journal.

Jack

" just someone who has become fed up with the crap that passes for grown-up conversation around here."

Signed Offended

signed by someone who doesn't engage in conversation and only adds to the empty postings.

Maggs,
when I read his site...before I wrote the piece it was very clear....after I wrote it , someone asked me a question, I went back and the whole area changed...it took me 5 minute to find his position......that's what happened...

That actually bother me a lot...because I was only looking at one issue.....

Jack

No. No usergroups. I've got my hands full with here, my blog and some regular surfing. The rest of my hours are rather packed. : -)

Speaking of Science Fiction. I'm off in a half hour for the latest Doctor Who on the Sci Fi channel.

Karolena

I'm just certain that you would just pick me up by my galluses, put a few knucklebumps on my head and throw me out the door.;-)

You and Patsi scare a fellow I'm certain either one of you could reach through those internet tubes and lay a hurt on a body.

Jack

Burrito: TY ... but, really, with me it's more a matter of sentiment than beliefs. I presume that Sen Obama will be our next President, although I continue to feel that he is woefully underqualified for the position.
My ex- (who lives in your state and says he doesn't know what he's going to do because he's never voted for a Republican and is too old to start) says that in one respect he almost feels that the Republicans ought to be forced to clean up their own mess.
I just worry that no one can...

Jack

Patsi would probably give you a big kiss to remember her by first.

offended...why not speak in your own words....you have a valid point.....stand up for it with you real voice.....

if you do that people will listen.....

Posted by: unlikely_burrito Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:18 PM

I'm not using my own voice right now for the same reason anyone else who posts on here anonymously does it. I don't want the attacks that would come with it. But these are my words, and I mean them all. Not listening because I am anonymous is an excuse at this point.

Here's a thought for you. Some of the name calling is done by people who don't get that the joke is on them because they are guilty of the same garbage they are naming.

Hey
then at least I would have a sex story to right about.

Jack

"And, I completely agree with the “grown up conversation”. Never have seen such juvenile behavior on a blog before!! But, this is my contribution."

Thank you for listening, Karolenna.

" just someone who has become fed up with the crap that passes for grown-up conversation around here."

Signed Offended

signed by someone who doesn't engage in conversation and only adds to the empty postings.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:21 PM

You just keep believing that instead of trying to hear what I'm saying.

"Some people on this blog need to take a good look at how they behave."

Narrows it down to two....

Offended

Do you think anyone is listening to your trollish blather?

Any one reading or answering you are only doing for a bit of entertainment. Little that it is.

Jack

Offended

You can't change unless you engage. You say you are afraid of being attacked, but you offer no proof of ever having been attacked nor do you offer any ideas or subjects for discussion

Empty air from an empty identification.

maybe I am confused......nothing new in that......
But "offended"...what do you want?
You realize it will never change as long as anonymous is allowed to exist....send your thought to Craig....

"although I sometimes defend Sen McCain, I have not tried to change anyone's mind nor to proselytize on his behalf. "

And you know what, Maggi -- you shouldn't have to defend your position or be treated like some sort of fascist because of it. That's what's pissing me off most about this new O-worldview....it's Freeperish and authoritarian.

Patsi, you're an idiot. Obama never came on stage "sneering" to 99 problems. That's just dumb, even for you. Think for once. Just once. In a campaign full of stage craft where everything is gone over, how in the world would that even pass?

I love how your racism allows you to simply pooh pooh McCain as simply telling a joke MANY men tell (as though you know us, which you don't. Oh, I forgot, Tony Orlando), while you somehow then take that as an opportunity to slime Obama. Simply dumb. Find a psychologist and work out your issues.

So jamie
How many books do you have?
And which ones do you reread?

Jack

"Some people on this blog need to take a good look at how they behave."

Narrows it down to two....

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:37 PM

One of the biggest offenders checks in. But can't see her own part in the trouble on this blog.

jamie: did you stick your head into the jib jab? I did and it's a hoot...i had never done that litle trick before...they only use your head at the very end of the video.

Jamie -- you're right about Monk and Psyche...neither is as good as their promise....

I'd like everyone to gather together for a great big welcome back for Nick!

Offended

Do you think anyone is listening to your trollish blather?

Any one reading or answering you are only doing for a bit of entertainment. Little that it is.

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:39 PM

Also guilty of accusing others but not seeing his contribution. That has made me place not much value on your words, Jack.

WOW!

Talk about holding a grudge. Mr. Democrat had to go back to a snarky from 8:45 this morning to find something to rant about.

Knock, knock good morning, wake up. It's 12 hours later and ps she didn't like the McCain joke either.

Karo -- it's hysterical that you and a few others seized on a reference you didn't even get. Not surprising, though.

Dexter.

I've done it with previous Jib Jabs, but I don't have a real "face forward' shot that will work well. I probalby should get one taken just for the fun of it all.

Nope, I find staying on this blog all day an easy way to become dumb. So I check in to see what idiotic things Patsi has said today. I'm never disappointed.

"Right on, Ohio Girl (UB). Way to rock!!"

My daughter is dying to get out of right wing Ohio....

January 14, 2008 -- PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate's theme song.

As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was blaring. In it, Jay raps, "I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one."

That's what I mean, Jamie. You have no reason to attack Mr. Democrat. He is giving his opinion, and he is talking to Patsi. Why insert yourself until they talk their thing through?

Or is this just your own brand of snarkiness because you've decided you don't like Mr. Democrat, but you do like Patsi?

Think about it.

I'm being too honest to tell you who I am, don't you think?

"Patsi would probably give you a big kiss to remember her by first."

ha...Jack, I'm only violent when somebody smacks me in the face.

Karo -- it's hysterical that you and a few others seized on a reference you didn't even get. Not surprising, though.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 18, 2008 11:46 PM

We know, Patsi. Your brilliance is nearly blinding.

Although some think the campaign should stay in the CONUS, I like the idea of globetrotting candidates, as the US reputation is in dire need of upgrading. So let Obama go all over the world and meet world leaders and generals.

While I take nothing for granted since the voters gave the incredibly inept Bush term two, I think it's time to assume Obama will be the 44th president, and concentrate on what he's saying about foreign policy and every other issue.

I find myself just ignoring McCain and Graham . Oh yeah...Phil Graham is really in tune with us po' fo'k!!
Good riddance to that asshole.

Offended

Because this is a conversation and there are a whole lot of people in the room. Think of it as a gathering at a cocktail party. Everybody can hear everything.

That is when it works best. When everyone jumps in and share their ideas.

Do I like Patsi? Yes I do. She is a brash and brazen down home girl, has a mouth on her and is as straight forward as sunshine. There are times when she makes me cringe because I wouldn't say the things she says, but she's Patsi. If you take her in that vein, it doesn't hurt at all for one simple reason. If you were in trouble, she would be the first person at your door with a hug and a casserole.

Yea , Patsi, you just keep saying that, uhhuh. ;-)

Jack

"your racism allows you to simply pooh pooh McCain as simply telling a joke MANY men tell "

You are hilarious Bye Bye if you think I was letting McCain off the hook. I don't like either one of these phonies. And every time you cry racism you damage Obama more. Because it is YOUR racism you are talking about.

I thought it was either dog or you...sounded more like dog's writing style...but you may have done a quarterback sneak....

Maybe Mercury is in retrograde or something. Cuz other than that, I don't get what this thing is all about. OK...so one or two people here don't get along ... hey, that's life in the Big City.
If you have a blog that consists only of people agreeing with each other all the time, what's the point? That's not a discussion, it's a campfire sing-along.

Karolenna,

thank you for speaking your mind.....even when I was on the Hillary side, and you spoke your mind ....I Knew what you said was true to you......you can't ask for more than that...

never stop.....and don't be afraid of change : )

Ha, coming from a woman who sees sexism in every cubby hole, that's rich. And as for phonies...I'm pretty sure you're an expert in that area.

Dexter: The man's name is Phil Gramm, not Graham. Graham is the other one ... the little guy from South Carolina who's in love with the sound of his own voice and with Sen McCain. I worry a lot about him.

Phil Gramm resigned from the campaign this evening.

Mr. Democrat

You neglected to say who you were addressing and calling names for no reason.

Bye Bye -- give it up. You showed what you were about during the primaries.

Patsi, There’s much I don’t get and you know what…I don’t even care. I don’t read everything on here. If I did, it would probably get to me. Life is too short to concern myself with what some (and especially you) say. I just keep moving…like the energizer bunny…just keep moving. When I stop…well, I will stop. But, it will take much to stop someone like me because I’ve had much happen to me in my life.

So happy that I didn’t surprise someone of your intelligence, Patsi!!! So, with that, I will say Good Night! Have a better day tomorrow.

Time for me to hit the road ... it's been uh ... interesting.

"you're horrific behavior "

PLEASE learn English! your. your. your.

maggs? are you there? is "big city " the same as "big sh*t"?

trying to learn the lingo.... : )

Back at you, Peppermint. Only you continued on.

Mr. Democrat

You neglected to say who you were addressing and calling names for no reason.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:05 AM

Bye Bye -- give it up. You showed what you were about during the primaries.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:06 AM

See. There you go again. You should both be above this sort of crap, and yet you are not. Why? So Mr. Democrat (and I will give him the respect of using the name he chooses now) said some things that offended you during the primaries. Don't you have the intelligence to talk with him about what's going on now? Instead of reliving history over and over again?

"That's not a discussion, it's a campfire sing-along. "

Exactly.

"you're horrific behavior "

PLEASE learn English! your. your. your.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:11 AM

Try to stick to the important parts of the discussion.

Karo -- Jeezus...the problem with your initial response wasn't that you didn't get what it was about, but that you publicized a knee jerk reaction without knowing what it was about.

"That's not a discussion, it's a campfire sing-along. "

Exactly.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:14 AM

If any of you think that is the point I'm trying to make, or the outcome I'm after, you're way less intelligent than I thought.

UPOP or whatever identity you choose

None of these drive bys has actually put forward an idea, a subject or discussion, or information of some event.

They did nothing by snark and snipe. If they wanted a conversation, we would have engaged but that is impossible with ghosts and whispy things that go bump in the night.

And now the bullying and ugliness on behalf of Barack Obama has gotten to the point that it is obviously a concentrated effort to just take over here, as you believe you have with the Democratic party.

"If any of you think that is the point I'm trying to make, or the outcome I'm after, you're way less intelligent than I thought."

Now it doesn't get any funnier than this. A troll talking about someones intelligence. Second, a troll thinking we give a damn about what he thinks.

Jack

UPOP or whatever identity you choose

None of these drive bys has actually put forward an idea, a subject or discussion, or information of some event.

They did nothing by snark and snipe. If they wanted a conversation, we would have engaged but that is impossible with ghosts and whispy things that go bump in the night.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:18 AM

As you choose, Jamie. But you might consider talking about what drives some people here to dismiss the notion that you could discuss the issues without being such jerks.

Patsi,

"intellectual elitism"

You have it and he doesn't? :-)

And now the bullying and ugliness on behalf of Barack Obama has gotten to the point that it is obviously a concentrated effort to just take over here, as you believe you have with the Democratic party.

Posted by: Patsi Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:19 AM

That's just stupid. Think about what you just said.

UPOP

An identity or positon or some statement of purpose would help.

Just blathering is not a conversation.

So Patsi

Jamie and I have the same library

what kind of books do you like?

Jack

CEAISE

"That's just stupid. Think about what you just said."

And your proof of this is what? You just called her stupid. You did nothing to counter the argument or engage in an idea.

Empty blather.

Jamie

I think UPOP is troll #4

Jack

Jack

We already know Patsi and I have read "The Group". I would be interested in the rest of her shelves. I'll be reading Carson McCullers this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5513mXmQbw4

ATTCTS

Again anonymous ... all righteous, holier than thou elitism without any reality or personality.

CEAISE

"That's just stupid. Think about what you just said."

And your proof of this is what? You just called her stupid. You did nothing to counter the argument or engage in an idea.

Empty blather.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:28 AM

Excuse me, mommy, but I won't CEAISE because you command it. I don't need proof for an opinion. And my opinion is no less valid than Patsi's, who offered no proof for her little hissy fit.

You are so big on reading comprehension. Read my post again. I called a statement stupid, not a person.

Dr. Who is doing "It's A Wonderful Life" for the doctor's companions ... really wonderful.

ATTCTS

Again anonymous ... all righteous, holier than thou elitism without any reality or personality.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:33 AM

If that's all you have gotten from what I've said tonight, I guess I'll have to resign myself to fitting in with a mostly holier than thou crowd on this blog. Sheesh.

calls 'em as I sees 'em = CEAISE

You are dumbest.

"but I won't CEAISE because you command it"

Jamie
I wasn't going to comment any more but this has to be a classic. LOL

Jack

"You are so big on reading comprehension. Read my post again. I called a statement stupid, not a person.
"

And you did it without becoming human.

calls 'em as I sees 'em = CEAISE

You are dumbest.

Posted by: anonymous | July 19, 2008 12:37 AM

teehee. gotcha moment. do you feel better now?

TTCTS

"f that's all you have gotten from what I've said tonight,"

If you had once spoke as a person rather than a chimera, you might have had an impact. As it is, nothing but sound and fury signifying nothing.

Oh wow...actually, the two books I read over the past week or so were David Boren's A Letter to America (highly recommend it) and Ben Fong-Torres' The Hits Just Keep on Coming: The History of Top 40 Radio (probably not of interest to most).

My library is divided into four basic parts: writing, research and reference books, music books (because that's what I write about these days), history, political -- feminist, anti-Bush, etc, and fiction.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to get you to look at your angry blinders. This has become a useless attempt at conversation. Just keep calling each other names and talking past each other. That's very healthy and productive.

Goodnight, kids.

Oh, and Jack, I'm glad you got to have a little fun. Won't further the conversation, as Jamie keeps telling me, but I bet it made you feel superior - just for a fleeting moment.

Well, Jamie Patsi
Some one said this to me this afternoon.
Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel. Somehow it doesn't seem fair.

Jamie I'm a collector of Leguin, she has gotten better with age IMO. a few years ago she did an excellent collection of stories with the theme around slavery. It doesn't get any better. I wish I could think of the name.

Nite

Jack

One thing I want to say here. Bye Bye has repeatedly sneered at Tony Orlando. He certainly is known for the cheesy Yellow Ribbon song, but Bye Bye's ignorance about him is obvious. Tony began in tin pan alley's Brill Building world, went through the teen idol days and on into big time publishing before accidentally becoming a pop star as Orlando and Dawn...then to a TV show.

Sorry, Bye Bye -- that's music history. Those were fascinating times, and whether you deem them interesting...makes no difference to me.

Patsi,

Who are your favorite authors?

NSB

What you missed is that no one was angry except you.

Damn
I'm glad I post under a fake name.
You know there are some people who need to adjust their meds

The hate just flows.

Jack

Patsi,

Most people don't realize quite that Tony Orlando is a great talent.

One of the best shows I ever saw was Jim Dale in Barnum. Tony Orlando stepped into that roll on Broadway when Dale left.

It is a shame that his career kind of went down the cheesy, singing nothing but hits road.

NSB

What you missed is that no one was angry except you.

Posted by: Jamie Author Profile Page | July 19, 2008 12:51 AM

WADR, Jamie, bullshit.

" I don't think a silver cross affords us heathens much protection. "

Now that's funny. Of course, they may be part of your brood. You might want to check.

"It is a shame that his career kind of went down the cheesy, singing nothing but hits road."

That has to do with the business and what "stars" get to do...it's sad, but the way of the world. Radio will not allow much different.

The Bomb of Pearl Harbor?

"Dude. You were raised in Hawaii. Honolulu to be precise. Did you fail to visit Pearl Harbor? I thought folks were ginning up an internet goof when word started circulating that you told an audience about “THE BOMB THAT FELL ON PEARL HARBOR.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBMv-GfFwAE

First you get confused about the number of states (correct answer, 50, not 58). But this?

There were lots of bombs. Torpedos too. There was one bomb that obliterated the USS Arizona. But it was preceded and succeeded by hundreds of other bombs. Buy the man, World War II for Dummies or something."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/the-bomb-of-pearl-harbor/#more-3669

Patsi

As you can tell I'm a political buff so part of my library (and it took one trip of the pickup truck to move it last time, and it is bigger) is various political books and good biographies. My history books are mostly left over from college but I have many of those over many subjects.
I have always loved science from a laymans point of view. in the late 80's I found I was getting out of touch so I subscribed to Scientific American, Then joined the scientific book club. I have many science books some for the layman some for the professional I enjoy struggling through those and trying to understand their math.

My collecting bug is science fiction. If I've read it it is down stairs on the shelf. The biggest bulk of my books are those.

Jack

Jack,

Check out her website. You will find all the info there

http://www.ursulakleguin.com/

Jamie and Jack -- am not sure if you really wanted to know this....

as far as fiction authors...well, of course Fitzgerald, Hemingway , Cather and Steinbeck....

then in pop culture, Stephen King and Larry McMurtry

Joe Keenan...some of the funniest books I've ever read

Wm Price Fox, as many here have pointed out

One of the best books I've ever read was Woodrow's Trumpet by Tim McLaurin

aside from that, I also love mysteries and crime -- love serial killer tales! :)

I certainly wasn't angry not today, must be what they called projection in psychology class.

Jack

Patsi

I like my mysteries mixed with either history or humor so it is Brother Cadfael by Peter Ellis

For Scottish suspens: Ian Rankin

Larry McMurtry is a major favorite. I just finished one and now the titel has gone bye bye with tonight's wine.

Jack,

Every time I move the local library holds a festival in my honor. : -)

Why? for responding to the full moon statement?

"Brother Cadfael by Peter Ellis"

Good stuff.

McCain really stunk it up on O'brien

absolutely pitiful

Patsi
try out JD Rhoads, he set everything in North carolina. Calls it Red neck noir, usual troubled gumshoe type only he is a bounty hunter has a equally messed up girl friend who is a deputy sheriff, with the usual A hole cop for a boss. Add in a pair of the most belivable back country losers and a smart tough mobster type. The story moves on. Devils right hand was his first I'm startin #3 in the series in a few days..
Dusty is a good fun writer imo. I used to argue with him over on a use net group I hung out on. Imagine that me argue.

Jack

The Back Channel is nothing more than a blog...one in a million.....for people to share their thoughts...what is wrong with that?

seriously - I want to know?

I guess you believe in freedom , but not freedom of speech ?

would that be correct?

I'm watching 20/20 on Sex In America with a discussion of Polygamy. Any ideas out there?

Jamie

They like it and that is OK, The only problem I see is they come over here with a chip on their shoulder and like UB this mornin they can't even take the mildest teasing. It is either walk on egg shells or say screw them and I'm more and more sayin the later.

Jack

No one own opinions.....I wouldn't be surprised if more blogs spouted...that is how it happens on the internets......

this is only one tiny blog out of millions...seriously...step back....and adjust....Maybe that would diffuse any anger for those who have moved on and expanded.

Jamie and Patsi - I came in after whatever happened.

F u jack you were not teasing.....

"I guess you believe in freedom , but not freedom of speech ? "

To whom is this directed?

imho

Jamie

Poly folks are everywhere. Not just religious nuts.
So is that woman a friend renting a room or a second wife or those two couple just sharing a how or a 4 way couple. I have met a number of folks that use to hang out on a previous group. They would have given you an ear full by now.

Jack

Patsi ,
It's late, I don't understand why everyone here seems to hate each other....and quite frankly I don't care.

I most certainly was UB that is why I put the smilie face on it.
But from my point of view you chose to ignore it so as I said screw it.

Jack

Well, sports fans, I guess it's time to head for bed....wish I'd been drinking tonight, as Karoleena accused us all as doing......

An anonymous weekend might be really enlightening......for those who can not tell the truth in their own skin.......or maybe for those too shy to speak their mind.....sounds interesting none the less

Jack

I would never have had a problem in a Poly relationship. I do have a problem with some of the religious groups because of evicting the young men and "assigning" young girls etc.

If it isn't adult and voluntary that isn't right.

Jamie.....try supporting Obama out right....and see what happens to you......seriously......try it.

Maybe it will be different for you......but for many others it has been very deliberate attacks. I know it first hand.

out ...lights out...enjoy the music

UB

I will vote for Obama ... recent decision rather than third party.

I still think he is less than we could have had, but hey that's the story of my political life since 1968

Stand up and cheer --- never gonna happen.

It doesn't matter how much you scold me for my anonymity. My points are still valid. It's too bad your mind is so closed that you won't consider them.

In case you don't think rights can disappear with the stroke of a pen. Here is Mrs. Clinton's latest battle

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080718/POLITICS-ABORTION-USA-CLINTON-DC/

"Sorry for all the mystery tonight."

It would have been better if you had done it as a person instead of a slogan.

Jamie

I agree. It is the forced marraige part of it that is wrong, imo.
Personally, I've got all the relationship I can handle with one wife.

As for what happened here tonight, I think everybody had their say and now it is endless repetitions. If you can't handle the blog the way it is then I don't know what to tell you. I do know if I hear one more person tell me how wonnerful it was in the old days I'm gonna puke. I lurked last summer and it wasn't.

Jack

Jack

Mercy mercy me - What HAVE you been up to while I was out celebrating a very neat 90-year old woman's birthday.

Why did everybody get so angry all of a sudden?????
I couldn't find the spot. Can't anybody swallow his or her anger? It's like a lioness hiding in bushes for any critter to go strolling by, and POUNCE! Thank god I found something I can take as an insult and now I can throw one back.

There are times I want to type, "Oh, just grow up." I just don't because then I know I will have no more good conversation with that person. I'm not a goddy two-shoes tho I guess I come across that way.

I am here because I like you people and don't want to fight or yell. I don't enjoy political arguments because they say NOTHING - nada - nil - rien. If you look back at some of the things you post, I'll bet you laugh at your words.

So when you get screaming at each other, I and some others miss out on what you can contribute. I kinda think it starts up when you get bored cuz there's nothing new to discuss.

I don't understand why the people who like to post on the back channel even want to post here. Anybody who doesn't like it here but comes back anyway and starts complaining about it here begs the question : are you thinking you will change it here? Don't get me wrong as it's fine with me if you post here too, but why put yourself thru such misery?

Then again, maybe it's a very familiar routine that everyone is so used to that it feels good.

"I think and hope that over time Obama win be able to show you who he really is and that it turns out to be someone good hearted, seriously involved and sincere in his efforts. "

UB - I hope so too since he will likely be our next pres. I am not counting on it, tho I am voting for him. I'm glad you said it that way - just perfect.

Offended - if fear of "reprisal" keeps you from showing a real identity, a constant one, why do you post at all? All the nasty stuff still gets thrown your way.

I have to say that I've been posting here for a while now and I've never been slammed. Or have I? Did one of you throw a stone I missed? Oh, well.

In case it is true that I haven't been insulted, I'd say it's probably because I've never slammed anybody else.
I've disagreed plenty and even sworn (oh, my), and did my best to not be accusing or belittling or taunting. Maybe this post will be different and I'll get some shots thrown at me now.

But Offended and all the other no-names wonders who showed up tonight, I disagree entirely with the statement "I've never heard such childish conversation before" or something to that effect. You obviously have heard worse before and maybe even taken part in it.

I've always wondered what kind of person enjoys spreading viruses and other ills into computers, if not a political enemy. The drive-bys and/or trolls who were her in this tonight have given me some insight. How useless and tiresome and boring.

Champ - I figure that one day there will be a one world government, but not for a long time. As I've said before, things that grow too fast quite often turn out to be not so good--cancer and weeds, for instance. The people of the world don't know each other well-enough yet to live together under the same roof - visit maybe.

I can't find the post but someone said they like Obama meeting the rest of the world. I understand what you say, but it shouldn't be done until after an inauguration. He has no imprimatur - he's still just a senator.

Well, this is certainly the longest post I've done I think.
I am most dreadfully sorry but firgure you will have given up by now. I also figure everyone else has crashed and burned and won't even read this. Now that makes me mad. If you don't read this, I'll re-post if tomorrow! ROFLMFAO

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((But Offended and all the other no-names wonders who showed up tonight, ))

Not only that but I don't think you could keep up here - and if any of you are trolls, that's the proof. Anyone who has to take on another persona isn't doing much of a job making his/her point in the first place.

I remember someone quoted a European saying "We want America back". Well, tough cookies, it's our country, not theirs.

Posted by: champ | July 18, 2008 9:20 PM

LOL .. Europeans have never said "we want America back". That's pure fiction. What Europeans want is the USA to stop presuming that they have the right to dictate to other countries exactly what they MUST do to appease the U.S. government.

To Flatus.. final reply on the subject of the gas station and energy consumption:

ET,

I wrote:

"Look, people need to start thinking about the sustainability of our planet. We Americans have acted like buying gas at prices that keep us smiling and traveling is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT! We are overusing the world's resources and it's time to think not only for our individual interests, but our collective ones as well.

Think people! WE have only 1 planet. We can all do little bits to make improvements."

Flatus writes:

Tom, I certainly wasn't criticizing you for the choice of work you're doing; I don't do that type of thing.

But I did sense, in your above comment, that you were being overly judgmental of us. We, collectively, are victims of our circumstance and environment just as you describe with your own situation in your later comments.

~snip~

I don't question your reaction because it's how you felt. I am judgmental about this issue ! And I am judgmental because I am AMERICAN and know how resistant our country has been toward significant and sustainable energy conservation. We bitch and moan about the price of gasoline, not even taking into consideration that we are 111th most expensive out of 156 nations. And the big 3 automakers have resisted any attempts to build more fuel efficient cars which would help greatly. And when the Dems wanted a new energy efficient policy, Dingell did his part to try to stop any mandates on the auto makers.

America is based on the concept of individualism. We tend to think of our own individualistic needs over collective ones. That is certainly part of human nature, but having grown up and lived most of my life in the USA and now 10 years in Europe, there is a startling difference. VERY generally speaking, Europeans tend to think more collectively... whether energy policy, sustainability, facing global warming... etc. etc.

the 70s were known as the "me generation" and certainly the economic and political policies ushered in during the Reagan years only further solidified the notion of "I got mine and to hell with the rest of you"... As long as we can drive our big gas guzzling autos and still buy lettuce at prices that keep us smiling, we're ok.

And frankly, this motley crew of bloggers are some of the more enlightened when it comes to these issues. With the larger population not giving a damn or oblivious to the source problems facing our country and planet, it is no wonder that nothing really changes.

Off my soap box...

There's something to be said for reputation, but I don't believe it should be a primary motivator. Do what's best for Americans, and let others think what they will. As it is now, It looks like the majority of Americans are ready to toss our sovereignty away for the sake of some whiny Europeans.

I remember someone quoted a European saying "We want America back". Well, tough cookies, it's our country, not theirs.

Posted by: champ | July 18, 2008 9:20 PM

I read this message further ... and I had to laugh further. WHINEY EUROPEANS? Champ your Reagan revultinglation is showing. This has been the problem in America. We do what we want and the rest of the world be damned. But it's not that simple. Americans cannot assume they can continue to create the most greenhouse gasses and ignore the fact that they are endangering the sustainability of our planet. If the effects of carbon emissions and so forth would stay only within the borders of the USA you might have a point. But the effects don't stop there. And frankly, the USA's "superpower" status is diminishing. I realize the right wing doesn't want to believe that, but it is happening. America fought the "evil empire" and did a great job during the two world wars. If it continues to presume the right to be world dictators then they are simply recreating the very evil of empire that they were fighting against.

I'd rather be smashing imperialism !!!

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