Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Beware of October Surprise.

The only nervous twitch I have at this point.

First?

Aww, Sheila! Close...but no cigar, as they say....

Sheila and I were discussing this very topic earlier today, and reached the same conclusion. But it's a long time until November...miles to go, and the major part of both campaigns to be revealed.

Yes Harborgirl.

Must have been channeling Craig Crawford tonight. Craig we are going for a walk on Harbor's side of the Puget Sound.

From last thread...
"U.S. and Israel are the real nuclear danger. The Pentagon has a huge, nuclear-capable naval armada in the Persian/Arabian Gulf, with guns aimed at Iran. Israel, the Pentagon’s proxy force in the Middle East, has up to 200 nuclear warheads and has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran did sign it."
Quote from Workers World Newspaper

The "nuclear program " that the US is threatening to use as a reason to war against Iraq is bogus. Even the top 16 top US spy agencies agree that Iran has no nuclear weapons technology!
The I.A.E.C., which inspects Iran nuclear programs, says Iran has no technlogy except to power the country when oil eventually runs out.

I do view Israeli harshly when they stand with Bush and threaten to bomb Tehran.
Being anti-Zionist is in no way being anti-Semitic, either. Believe me, I used to know many New York City Jews who were committed to aiding the Palestinian cause.
Of course, if you are a Zionist, you will have a totally different viewpoint. This is why we need negotiations at every level to ensure quality of life in the Mideast.

To bad for Obama the election is not today.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps Obama is the Neville Chamberlain of the Democ"rat"ic Party, and that is "CHANGE" for the worst.

Here I am to _________* again. My electric bill is $70 more than it was this month last year, and I only used 935 kWh, same as last year. The rate automatically went from .125 to .189 with no notice & 2 weeks to pay it without a penalty. Glad I knew that my year long rate contract was up I locked in a rate this month. Next month it'll be .159 kWh. Oh, what a relief, she said sarcastically.

I'm not a family of 4 in a house. One can only guess what folks using 3,000or 5,000 kWh are gonna pay this month in TX. Actually we could compute it. WOW! 3,000 kWh = about $560 semolians and 5,000 kWh = about $900 clams. Car gas is $4.00/gal. Ohhh, I'd say that this is a RECESSION.

I hope the political folks see this as I am one of the little, We the People.

*
South = fuss
North = bitch

tt

I am pretty sure BO will win come November.
Not only is McC visibly shaken, he is , to say the least, really odd these days if you look at him...Too frail and very robotic. I am amazed journalists don´t start asking him the question about his current health...

That said, BO should be a shoe in for November.... Michelle should actually shut up and BO should stick to his transcripts.

Not that I agree though....But what the heck. The man ran the campaign of the decade, out hussling the inevitable, and making the best alliance with the media.... It has to be said...he did what he had to do to become the nominee and the eventual president.

One thing remaining up in the air: The repubs amunition in September/October. I still think they will not be able to stop BO. I also think that they will sacrifice JmC (he will lose, letting this very dubious election go by), try to take over the congress and then come up with political savvy Mitt Romney in 4 years to take over BO.
That is why I am now actually thinking of not just not going to vote, but going and doing a write in of HRC. My dad is this close in convincing me to do that...

Craig,

Two references that would drive home your point...

1. Mike Dukakis decided to return to his day job in the run up to the convention and blew a 17 point advantage.

2. With the Olympics almost upon us, track cycling is an apt analogy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(cycling). It's a multi lap race, but all of the action happens on the final lap. There are also tactical advantages to being in second, closely shadowing every move the leader makes.

Dexter; 12:48 am.... Thank God somebody finally made the distinction, albeit an unpopular one. It always takes 2 to tango.......

Anyone who thinks that McCain would be the Republikan nominee if they really believed they had a shot at winning this time around is delusional. They gave prince Obot the easiest trip they could find, hoping that his arrogance would pave the way for them in 4 years. The Republikans are nothing, if not PATIENT.

When and if he does win, however, he will not be my president - I suffered through 8 years of Bush not being my president, I can do another 4, PUMA.

"Chloe you're a shining example of the self fulfilling prophecy"

Call it what you like.
Others might even call it stubbornness.

I call it standing up for what you believe in.

And believe me, it requires wading through a lot.
But that's ok. I have on my galoshes.

"The man ran the campaign of the decade, out hussling the inevitable, and making the best alliance with the media."
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-111762

Jason,
He didn't run the campaign.
It was run by others for him.

Anyone who thinks that McCain would be the Republikan nominee if they really believed they had a shot at winning this time around is delusional.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-111765

politicallypissed,

You're right.
This was decided long before any of us got involved.

chloe and politically pissed,

I still haven't converted. I watch as many on Craig's blog have changed to become Obama folks. And that's fine.
But, I can't help but feel like Camp Obama, his surrogates, the DNC and the media are patronizing me, one of the silly, stubborn Hillary women. telling me things like, "Don't be afraid. We're waiting for you to see the light. Come on, now, get over it. Join us. Everything will be good, then." It's like invasion of the body snatchers.

So, far my transformation to an Obama devotee hasn't taken place.

Correction: Make that so far, no comma.

"...a candidate so presumed to win that he actually comes across as having already won."
--CraigCrawford

It seems I have heard that "inevitable" point of view before about a different candidate.....was it in January?

not implying that Craig was saying that in january.....just that it was a point of view from others and media which was out there........

"But, I can't help but feel like Camp Obama, his surrogates, the DNC and the media are patronizing me, one of the silly, stubborn Hillary women. telling me things like, "Don't be afraid. We're waiting for you to see the light. Come on, now, get over it. Join us. Everything will be good, then." It's like invasion of the body snatchers.So, far my transformation to an Obama devotee hasn't taken place. "

Well put, Marcia. I feel the same way. And I'm with PP, despite my hatred of Republicans, and the fact that I think Obama will win this -- not only will I not be a devotee, he will never be my president. I feel like I did with Bush.

donald sutherland on huffington post:

The DNC's 'Terry McAuliffe mind-set' ruined the campaigns of Gore, Kerry and Senator Clinton and now the legions of McAuliffites who have surrounded Barack Obama are doing their damndest to undermine the possibility of his Presidency. They've turned this man we thought was a lion into a little lamb and they're leading him to slaughter. There's a well sourced rumor of Machiavellian proportions running around that what's going to happen is that his base support will be so demoralized they won't have the vital conviction they'll need this August to withstand a McAuliffite push to persuade disenchanted delegates on the floor of the convention to make a resurgent Hillary Clinton the Party's nominee! Obama's the 'presumptive' nominee, remember. The operative word is 'presumptive'. The tortoise is still running. If you're someone close to Barack Obama print out a bunch of copies of this New York Times Op-Ed piece and paste it on his fridge, on the door of his plane, on his kids' foreheads! Make him memorize it. His heart and soul is being gutted and ours with it.

". . .he will never be my president. I feel like I did with Bush."

Patsi,
Thanks for saying exactly what I'm feeling. We have every right to our
opinions about Obama, the media and the DNC even if our disgruntled
mood lasts far after the presidential race is over.

Read this New York Times Op-Ed piece! It clearly and concisely tells you what's up.
--donald sutherland

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri1.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

ROFL, sturge...don't you love it? Another nefarious Clinton plot!!

"his heart and soul is being gutted and ours with it."

I'm sorry if I can't weep for the legions of Huffington Post writers and bloggers who shamelessly destroyed the Clintons and now that things aren't going
quite as planned the far left Democratics are getting nervous, screaming time out.

PM, Patsi,

Thinking back, there are at least four presidential ballots that I left blank; I simply couldn't accept either of the candidates.

I will do a write-in. I will not change my mind unless the facts change.

"McCain must convince the purveyors of conventional wisdom that the opinion polls are somehow wrong."

Yes, but I think a bigger danger is for Democrats to somehow get really comfortable and complacent thinking that the opinion polls are actually correct.

As I recall, in 2004, the polls, right up to the end, showed Kerry with a small, but real lead.

For those of you who love polls...

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-pets-and-politics

You're right, Mary -- I don't trust polls at all anymore.

one of the reasons i did not want HRC on the ticket as vp was that she would be blamed if something untoward happened. well, it looks like she's getting blamed now anyway and she will continue to be blamed whether on the ticket or not. and whether the untoward happening is or is not BO's fault. sooo she might as well take it if offered and get me off this uncomfortable barbed wire fence.

Craig - What about the ground giving way as SDs move to Hil'ry before the convention? Roll call, roll call, roll call!

Loved the clip of the anti-taxation lady & McCain! Get off of my back, indeed. Craig needs to be on MoJo more often.

jeejee - Loved your BO flavor yesterday's thread @ 1:23.

"one of the reasons i did not want HRC on the ticket as vp was that she would be blamed if something untoward happened. well, it looks like she's getting blamed now anyway and she will continue to be blamed whether on the ticket or not."

Absolutely, patd....

Caption for the picture of BO on this thread: And if you clap hard enough, I will be able to defy gravity and fly!

McCain looked like the biggest loser earlier in this campaign as well. ...just a year ago

"PEER Review FL: McCain in TroubleJul 3, 2007 ... As reported in the Chicago Tribune (and in other media), the McCain campaign is in trouble. Will he make it to the primary? "

The conventional thinking people (who applauded Bush and the war in Iraq) said McCain was finished.

Bethyboo
The heat wave is awful. I've been slithering over to the homes of people I know with wifi and air conditioning.
The heat is dreadful but the smoke from the fires sucks.
When we paddle at night -we have a couple of routes --
from the Hacienda Bridge to Drake's beach... or paddling at the mouth of the River around Jenner (sunset and moonrise together) and lazy paddle from
Froggy Beach (Drake's) to the back of Korbel.

Bob Herbert has supported Senator Obama in a darn thorough way.

His NYT column this morning's entitled "Obama Lurches".

Here's a paragraph which purports something that hasn't turned up too much in the media.

"There has been a reluctance among blacks to openly criticize Senator Obama, the first black candidate with a real shot at the presidency. But behind the scenes, there is discontent among African-Americans, as well, over Mr. Obama’s move away from progressive issues, including his support of the Supreme Court’s decision affirming the constitutional right of individuals to bear arms."

Discontent with Obama gets disposed of here blithely by some. His shifts get greeted and sometimes celebrated by some as sheer political brilliance.

If that's brilliance to 'em, they should mail their checks ASAP not to Obama but to the DLC -- and just predate them to July of 1990.

The last four or so paragraphs of the article are written well enough. But the content is already stale.

But the peroration says a lot.

"Time flies and the Iowa caucuses seem a very long time ago."

His heart and soul is being gutted and ours with it.
Posted by: sturgeone | July 8, 2008 7:21 AM

Sturge, You made my day with your post. Thanks!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-sutherland/obama-stay-the-course_b_111222.html

However, WaPo thinks he's hot in that sexy Fred Hiatt way...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/07/AR2008070702219.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

911,
That Bob Herbert piece is a winner. Thanks.
"But Senator Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He’s lurching right when it suits him, and he’s zigging with the kind of reckless abandon that’s guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whiplash."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

9/11 -- I was shocked by Herbert's op/ed.....he's REALLY been in the tank for Obama.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-111788

Nick, I don't know what I'd do without you.

Patsi,

Herbert has shown integrity since he was a reporter for the NYDN, later a columnist.

That column may have to run again -- possibly frequently -- with more shifts and more anecdotes about disaffection.

Anyone want to name the next few versions of it?

I'll start --

"Hope-A-Dope".

It appears that this move from Pepsi Stadium is causing serious problems. What I wonder about is the balloon question....they absolutely cannot release thousands of balloons in the open air. For a party that is so PC it won't allow fried foods to pull off an environmental fiasco like this....uh....

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/party-scrambles-to-meet-obamas-call-for-change-2008-07-07.html

Patsi,

Maybe he'll release over almost two thousand Hillary delegates from C-130s without parachutes instead.

Good Morning!

Prof Marcia -- Check out this website: http://www.together4us.com/index.html

I haven't yet made a transformation to the Obamanation. I can say that for me it will be a choice of two lessers. Most likely I will be writing in Hillary's name. I live in a county where I'm very sure that Obama will lose. (It has decades of uniformly poor Democratic performance.) That frees me to vote a write-in without jeopardizing the outcome. Plus, I will help the DEM performance numbers go up because I will proudly vote straight DEM the rest of the ticket. Mark Warner for US Senate, Yea!

Too bad that our House candidate dropped out of the race. He had some financial problems in his past, but he's been very open about the reasons for filing bankruptcy many years ago. He was a country doctor who gave free medical services to many people, and ended up sacrificing his own financial stability. That wasn't enough for some local DEM party bosses who most likely pressured him to drop out.

Goodness sakes! GOP candidates don't have such scrutiny. This is a county that elected a convicted drug king pin and burglar to local office! For *that* story read on:

The guy is a GOP and all he had to do was visit every church in the area and provide witness to the redemptive powers of Jeebus by offering his testimony as a lamb of God who fell into Satan's eeevil path, but saw the light! And oh btw, here's a little donation to your pastor's project fund. So that, along with the best defense his ill-gotten gains could buy, he got the lightest possible sentence, kept his drug money out of asset seizure, and started attending local GOP meetings as soon as he was sprung from jail. His request for voting rights were refused by Gov. Gilmore, but when the GOP-Senator brother of our Commonwealth's Attorney was in trouble politically, the crook's money helped pull him out of the fire. The GOP Senator was in trouble because he was cooperating with then-Gov. Warner to solve the budget crisis left by Gov. Gilmore. GOP Senator puts the word into Gov. Warner, who as a DEM is also in favor of restoration of voting rights to convicted felons who have paid their price to society. Not knowing that this guy is a recidivist and scofflaw, Gov. Warner signed the paper in 2003. In 2005 Mr. Former Drug King Pin becomes County Supervisor, after spending $98,000 -- a precedent for this county of 120,000 people. Supposedly it was his own money, but there are rumors that he had help from the developers who are quite skilled at hiding the source of political money.

Here's my choice for the song the Dems should play at the convention in Denver.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a32Yqft3E5w

I can't figure out where Sutherland gets off blaming McAulliffe for O's flip flops. Surely nobody believes that Tom Daschle or David Axelrod -- or Mayor Dailey -- would allow McAulliffe to have and real access to Obama's ear.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/07/mike-duhaime.html

Until last week, McCain did not have a complete campaign staff. I think McCain should pick Christie Todd Whitman as his vp choice and restore the goopers to their full country club glory.

"jeejee - Loved your BO flavor yesterday's thread @ 1:23. Posted by: blueINdallas

blue, I hadn't seen jeejee's post yesterday and just went back to read it when you mentioned it. Hilarious.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/courting-the-latino-vote.html#comment-111467

"Maybe he'll release over almost two thousand Hillary delegates from C-130s without parachutes instead."

ROFL, 9/11!

mornin' all.

As a reluctant prospective Obama voter (the default position for an anti-McOldFart vote) I completely understand the reluctance of thos eof you who do not see yourself voting for Obama. I'm a two issue voter in this election, and wouldn't put the further conduct of the waronterra or appointments to the judiciary in the hands of Johnwhowasaprisonerofwarandarealhero. My concerns about Obama are two - the first is that he has not been able to capitalize on his presumptive nominee status and swing popular opinion in his direction - accordingly he is mired in a virtual tie with McOF per Gallup and has a 5% edge in most polls, which is where he's been for about 6 weeks now. The second concern is that he is not looking presidential in any of his video clips or the conduct of the campaign, and is in fact looking weak, tired and halting in his comments to reporters and in his virtual rejection of McPOW's town hall meeting debate format challenges. On the one hand, he's using the (worn out) "If John McCain wants to have a discussion on _______, that's a debate I look forward to having." Heard it, seen it, and it doesn't work if you're rejecting having the debates. Afraid of the format? That's what it looks like. Forget trying to win over disaffected Republikans - If he wants to win over the nervous middle and reluctant lifetime Dems, he has to engage McNN.

Sturg & 9/11, good to see you around. Don't be strangers.

And if you clap hard enough, I will be able to defy gravity and fly!
Posted by: blueINdallas | July 8, 2008 7:57 AM

Or, at least walk on water.

Oh yeah, my Dad is coming home for good today. Although he's been allowed to come home for most of the day the last 4 days. The nursing home is releasing him today. My Mom isn't looking forward to this.

"He was a country doctor who gave free medical services to many people, and ended up sacrificing his own financial stability. That wasn't enough for some local DEM party bosses who most likely pressured him to drop out.

Goodness sakes! GOP candidates don't have such scrutiny. This is a county that elected a convicted drug king pin and burglar to local office!"

Whoa! Alicia -- the Dems screwed up with the doctor....I'd think if he ran his campaign strictly on that issue -- that he went broke offering medical care -- he'd have won in a landslide! God, our party can be small minded.

And I understand your point about electing oddities....when I first moved to TN, we reelected a guy from his jail cell. He was in for cheating on his taxes, and a LOT of Tennesseans considered that a plus!

I wouldn't take the polls too seriously right now. I believe that after BO officially becomes the nominee you will see some real GOP ads. The October surprise will be people finding out the emporer has no clothes or substance.

Alicia,

Thanks for the link. I signed the letter.

Pogo,
It is so good to read your post Written by a realistic Obama supporter. I like listening so much more when things are talked about from a pragmatic point of view. You always make sense.

9/11, shades of the WKRP turkey drop? Think it'll work in Denver?

"Oh yeah, my Dad is coming home for good today."

Corey, Good!
It went by pretty quickly.

Chloe
You make sence also,hope you saw my post on the last thread.I understand the struggle!!!

I heard that some of Hillary's major financial backers still aren't behind contributing to Obama.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-111801

Katherine,
That LA Times piece was interesting. I was surprised.
"Anyone who's sat in on a national campaign's daily message meeting, which sets and meticulously choreographs the candidate's travels and messages up to two to three weeks out, will recognize the difference between one that's a chorus of possibly good ideas and one that has a presiding officer who listens and then decisively drives a single theme.

That's because, amazingly, until Sunday the Republican presidential nominee's national team did not employ either a political director or a field director."

Obama supporters are not Democrats but embarassed Republicans hoping Obama can save them from their own mistakes. They have no respect for the Democratic Party or its long held principles.

The most ardent Obama supporters are "former" Republicans who voted for Bush.

Patsi -- The NYT this weekend had an interesting article about DNC's organizing the DEM convention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/us/politics/06convention.html?pagewanted=1&sq=convention&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1215443043-dd0MvJYQeaM13SyzBUeYlA

"With the Denver convention less than two months away, problems range from the serious — upwardly spiraling costs on key contracts still being negotiated — to the mundane, like the reluctance of local caterers to participate because of stringent rules on what delegates will be eating, down to the color of the food.

A 28-page contract requested by Denver organizers that caterers provide food in “at least three of the following five colors: red, green, yellow, blue/purple and white.” Garnishes could not be counted toward the colors. No fried foods would be allowed. Organic and locally grown foods were mandated, and each plate had to be 50 percent fruits and vegetables. As a result, caterers are shying away."

Tony,
Yes. I saw your post and I appreciate it. I enjoy hearing what you have to say. Thank you.

Corey, When I first read your post, I thought it said your mom WAS looking forward to it. Sorry. I just remembered you being upset that he wasn't taking it very well, being away from home.

Chloe

McCain is an odd duck. It's hard to imagine his campaign was still fying by the seat of his pants (or close to that region.)

I don't understand Republican thinking but if it were me I would be running as far away from Bush as possible and he seems to be embracing Shrub instead.

chloe, thanks. I'm nothing if not pragmatic when it comes to politics. And sometimes I think I do make sense, and sometimes I don't make sense even to myself.

I don't take Sutherland (one of those very good actors whose only Oscar will likely be a lifetime achievement award - and richly earned, I might add - Klute, Don't look Now and M*A*S*H should be enough to earn him that) as blaming McAuliffe as much as I see him blaming the DNC for using the same tactics with Obama that McAuliffe stole from Nixon, and which worked for Bill Clinton then failed in the following 3 presidential runs he was involved in.

"(2) you have to get past that to work with ALL Americans, red and blue, to bring America back on track."

I understand the concept. Good luck with working with a lot of those right wingers. I hope I'm wrong....but I don't think it'll happen without a fight.

Katherine,
I think that McCain ran his campaign on so little cash for so long, that everything about it was unconventional. (Including his being more centrist than his party).

Now, it seems like he's bringing in the big boys. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

In my state, i have the choice of writing in Hillary if I choose to. I'm watching closely.

Patsi -- The CD-1 in VA is so ignored by the DCCC as a GOP stronghold the only way a DEM could win is if they were independently wealthy and willing to self-fund their own campaign, Oh wait, we had a DEM candidate who was willing to do that -- but the DCCC discouraged him from running, saying that even a mostly self-funded campaign would draw resources away from other races that DCCC deems more important. We also had a great candidate in 2000 -- an African American preacher who was the five-time elected mayor of Fredericksburg, a civil rights leader, and savvy businessman who directed his talents to build businesses that employ the people who need a second chance. A man as honest and kind and smart as the day is long. He didn't expect any help from the DCCC, but we sure as heck didn't expect that DCCC would be telling affinity groups and potential donors that we sought out on our own to stay away. That's what they do -- if you don't meet their targeting criteria -- under the bus!

Had a terrible incident here that I HOPE wasn't a hate crime. Two of my dear friends, a great gay couple, recently moved into a new neighborhood. I don't think a gay couple had ever lived there before. Last week while they were away for a couple of days, someone burned down their new house. It's been proven arson, but no suspects. They are trying to keep from thinking it has anything to do with their being gay. God I hope so....that it was just random.

The Denver catering contract sounds like a recipe for another salmonella outbreak. No fried foods? Cucumber sandwiches witha a little slice of tomato would satisfy the contraact, but it won't make the delegates happy. A nice crisp chardonnay might go well with that. What food is blue (other than blue corn chips - and the baked ones are retched)? Eggplant and rutabagas are purple, but what caterer has ever used a rutabaga? If I were the local restauranteurs, I'd be gearing up for an onslaught of disappointed and hungry conventioneers.

"That's what they do -- if you don't meet their targeting criteria -- under the bus! "

Just ridiculous, Alicia. What the hell is wrong with these people? I've seen the same thing here with party politics. And we lose great candidates because of the jockeying.

Narcisissim and incontinence is a bad combo, Chloe. That's what she'll be dealing with.

"I see him blaming the DNC for using the same tactics with Obama that McAuliffe stole from Nixon, and which worked for Bill Clinton then failed in the following 3 presidential runs he was involved in." pogo

pogo,
Why the change in strategy at this point?
If what Obama was doing was working, why is he back and forth so much now. Which group (demographic) is he going after.

" If I were the local restauranteurs, I'd be gearing up for an onslaught of disappointed and hungry conventioneers."

Good thought, Pogo...I wonder if it's possible to get a license for a ham biscuit wagon to park outside the hall?????

Pogo

Wish I had pull with the Denver city fathers.
I would be trying to get a permitt to park a BBQ wagon across from the convention center. Heck, I'd split my profits with them, plenty of money for everyone.

Jack

Corey,
I cared for my father-in law a while back. He had that exact same combo. It's not a pretty picture. Sorry to hear it.

Patsi
LOL great minds.........

Jack

Chloe

I think McCain likes being the underdog. It fits with his maverick image. I think he will remain the same but the campaign will take tighten up and won't be thrown off track by reacting to Obama campaign pronouncements.

Kerry came out of the Democratic Convention with a ten point lead by the end of the Republican Convention it was gone.

Jack,
If you do that, make sure you sell lots of 'fried food' too.
Really piss them off, make it french fries.

Patsi, I wouldn't bet on that happening by chance. There are a lot of folks out there who don't accept people's rights to diddle whoever they choose. They hide their prejudice behind their rligion as often as not. You can tell them by the "Choose Life" and "marriage = man + woman" bumper stickers and license plates. Tolerance ain't high on a lot of folks' lists.

Have those caterers seen the price of arugula lately? Highway robbery!

"the campaign will take tighten up and won't be thrown off track by reacting to Obama campaign pronouncements." Katherine Graham Cracker

The public will recognize those pronouncements this time around for what they are.

I fear you may be right, Pogo. This whole thing has really shaken me. The two guys are both such wonderful people.

Jack -- maybe we could go together and open a little meat & three wagon....

Chloe

You gotta have fries.
You won't have to worry about the transfats, we will fry ours in pure lard.
That reminds me, Lunch at Bryants BBQ
Their pit is older than most BBQ restuarants

Jack

Chloe

Bad girl, Bad girl

LOL

Jack

chloe, he's going for the middle, and apparently taking the votes of the left for granted. It's the Dem strategy of run to the left to win the nomination and run to the center to win the election.

Look, I could come up with a little seed money for the ham and biscuits and BBQ trailers if someone can get the permits. Maybe we could put a beer trailer there, too, if Cindy McCain hasn't already got that market tied up. Actually, if the Italian Heritage Festival here weren't the weekend of Labor Day, I'm sure the vendors who pump out steak sandwichs, Italian hoagies, french fries, funnel cakes, frittis, anything that can be fries, beer and frozen drinks would love to get in on the action, but Denver is a long drive from here.

"we will fry ours in pure lard". Jack

Jack, I am not kidding you. The lard has me laughing so hard. Of course, my pets are all so used to it, they don't even notice.

I don't think Chloe has any agenda other than to post what she thinks.

But since I've been told I can't answer anything without cloaking it in flowers and lol's, I think I'll sign off .

Stop insulting the people here. Step away from the Trailmix if all you have is ad hominen attacks on others.

"Look, I could come up with a little seed money for the ham and biscuits and BBQ trailers if someone can get the permits." pogo

Why do I get the feeling someone is going to beat us to it. Those people are going to be craving grease so badly, they'll go to the closest outlet. Pogo gets credit for the best idea of the day.

Anything that can be fried...well that is everything now
inc;luding coca cola. If you can put it on a stick and dip it in batter - someone is selling it at a fair.

Mac and cheese on a stick. my new favorite.

Jack,
You mentioned a while back something about growing thick skin. Don't worry about me. I've become a lizard hanging around here. It rolls off.

Actually, I'm flattered.
For someone to think I'm a professional anything is surprising.

I am glad to have someplace to let off steam and find people who express what I feel so well. Thanks.

Yep, as a matter of fact, everyone has a right to be here IMHO, unless Craig decides otherwise. And I am glad those that have stayed have and wish those that left had not. And thick skin is a plus. C'est la vie in blogworld, I guess.

" ... what is the point of putting up a low-resolution image of an image that could be mocked up by anybody with Microsoft Paint and 10 minutes on their hands? No explanation, no provenance information, no reason to believe in its veracity.

... unless he doesn't have a birth certificate, or has one he feels compelled to hide. But now, after more than three weeks, with the affirmations of his campaign spokesman that the Fight the Smears birth certificate image is "real", he is in an even tighter corner: the real paper birth certificate of the candidate for President had better look a lot like the one on the web site, or he'll have a lot of explaining to do."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm

Damn, Gordo, you're nothing if not persistent. You do know no one is buying this, right?

LOLOLOLOL

The new standard for market rebounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-markets-stocks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Of course 40 minutes later the Dow was bouncing around its opening number.

It is a strange feeling to have someone say they've been watching you for weeks.

Is a person saying what they believe and supporting others who do the same, such a scary thing?. Is this their answer. To censor someone for saying things they don't agree with. Because by attacking me in that manner, that's exactly what dog is doing.

I don't care that they don't agree. I don't comment on their posts, ever. As a matter of fact, I rarely read them.

I don't understand why they read mine. Why would you read someone that annoys you?

POU,

Don't forget. "I just don't like the way he looks"
a very important issue.

Craig love the title: Obama's Summer Landslide

Maybe that why we call it the : Summer of Love

Now all we have to do is make it to the White House....
Can't wait until Obama picks the VP and they start canvassing the country. I bet those will be awesome rallies!!!

Chef: LOL! "His ears are too big! I ain't votin' for him!!"

Another Republican view

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-hanlon/this-isnt-infighting-this_b_111328.html

Shorter version -throw the bums out.

OK, back to a more fun subject.

deep fried foods

KGC
An on line aquaintance from Edinburgh Scotland says that the Scots like to deep fry their pizzas. Just fold them with the dough on the outside.
sounds good.

jack

Jack: Wow! Imagine the calories on those babies! I'd love to try one.

Yesterday people had a lot to say about cyber stalkers but nothing today when one their own is guilty.

Deep Fried food more fun...lol...than Obama...is that possible?

Another item for the Trailmix Chuck Wagon outside the DEM convention -- Calf Fries -- in honor of an old Rocky Mountain tradition!

Okay -- can't write anymore until later his afternoon -- taking all the kiddos to the ice rink.

Jack

Deep fried pizza! The perfect food.
The Scots are responsible for the first deep fried candy bar too.

anon, I was on all day yesterday and I never read that. Maybe it was the day before? I am not on very often anymore and so I would have remember it.

Craig:

Just thought of another fun "Underdog" YouTube video to link up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LenPKPqvdJA

This is a link to Spoon's video for "The Underdog," a great, great tune.

I will say something mr/s Anonymouse, when someone posts over 25 times since coming on at around 5:30AM today it is pretty hard not to notice. Not cyber stalkers at all, just pointing out the truth. If you had any integrity you would post using a key name.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"(2) you have to get past that to work with ALL Americans, red and blue, to bring America back on track."

Dog

I understand the concept. Good luck with working with a lot of those right wingers. I hope I'm wrong....but I don't think it'll happen without a fight.

Patsi

Dog/Patsi

We can see how well that sort of idealism of working together is going for Pelosi and Reid, but then the Obama folks seem to be really good at sweet dreams and pie in the sky.

I hope Sen. Obama learned enough sparring with Hillary that he will know whatever is left of the Republican party silly and then stand over them with a whip and a chair until they help clean up the mess Shrub made on the floor.

Ok. Gotta shuffle off. I'll try to pop in later - have a good one!

But Arkansas is responsible for the deep fried pickle.

Jack

I had deep fried pickle at the Charlotte airport at a meat and three place. I thought it was a hush puppy.
Imagine my surprise.

'Imagine my surprise.'

LOL

Jack

Doots said -

" If you had any integrity you would post using a key name."

That says it all. I agree.

A Republican view of how gas prices will help the GOP

http://darkegop.blogspot.com/2008/06/gas-prices-might-just-save-republican.html

I love the reference to McCain as a vintage cartoon character....I know Underdog is "classic" ....but who else could McCain be?

Not Batman, for sure

I out of here , got to get some work done.

Now , Chloe, don't you be mean to those Obama supporters, you trouble maker you. ;-0

Jack

FISA showdown tomorrow

Tomorrow the Democrats in DC, led by the nominee of the party, will capitulate to the 23% approval rating Bush led GOP on FISA. The NYTimes Ed Board writes
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/8/94421/98797

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/opinion/08tue1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

ahhem! Except people like me that are locked out of typekey again and are sick of trying to get back in....

Except we all know who I am ;0)

So not so much an absolute. I would say the key word is "anonymous"

You go, Chris.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-dodd/opponents-of-retroactive_b_111198.html

Please keep up the good fight.

"Doots said -

" If you had any integrity you would post using a key name."

That says it all. I agree"

Anna is confused.
"how does lieing to a computer give you integrity?"

Anna has a key
Anna is bonafied.
Being bonafied is more important than integrity.

just laying out the net......

I seriously hope that Obama supporter do not get over confident.

I hardly think this will happen...most people are busy in the summer....and they will get re-energized in the fall....it is built into our "seasonal clock" that revolves around the school year.

Sheila, That cyberstalking discussion was from yesterday I think - as a reprise of the day before. Had to do with tracing ISP addresses back to the source - whatever that means.

You have prove half a point Anna.....

That you can use the system and still have no intention of participating on this blog in a respectful and positive manner...

Pogo

Obama is doing well in Ct but Dodd is having trouble.
I wonder what Senator Dodd has to say about Obama's move on FISA

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hlkb95XEyB4VWNgP6sByzBr9BDIQD91PH9LG1

IP addresses = Internet Protocol

When the Obamabots show up, it''s all about who has the right to be here.

ISP is the service provider

An Internet Protocol (IP) address is a numerical identification that is assigned to devices participating in a computer network utilizing the Internet...you can not change it.....that's why it is an effective tool in investigations

Hope that answered the confusion...
: )

when annonymouse shows up it is all about trash talk behind a mask.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I know, I know, I was being facetious. But I don't know (and don't care to know) how you would trace back to someone using their IP address. Really, don't tell me - I really do not care and take it on faith that it can be done.

BTW, I agree with dog on the integrity thing. Internet integrity has a very low bar. Consistency of identity is not a lot to ask IMHO.

KC, Dodd may be having trouble in CT, but IMO he is taking the right stand on the telecom immunity issue. The compromis is BS.

"I just don't like the way he looks"

Haven't heard one TrailMixer say that....

Is it me or is old man McCain on the tube all the time lately? Every time I look at the television there is he. I don’t like to read and listen to the television at the same time, so I mute the television when it is not something I want to hear. Naturally, I don’t want to hear anything McCain says because...I just don’t want to. Nuff said.

It is my opinion that the Repugs are doing a good job of distorting Obama’s words as flip-flop on Iraq. I thought that Rachael Maddow standing in for Keith Obermann last night did a great job of addressing their jabs about the flip-flop on Iraq by showing Obama in his own words stating exactly his same position on Iraq the other day as he said in a debate in February. She also mentioned another comment to a reporter about his position he made earlier which McCain says is a flip-flop and the media is eating it up. Besides, is McCain someone to be talking about flip-flopping?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25576949

" and then stand over them with a whip and a chair until they help clean up the mess Shrub made on the floor."

My sentiments exactly, Jamie.

"Attacking another poster from behind an anonymous veil might be considered so."

But aren't you anonymous as well, dog? I don't see you signing your real name....

In Which Hospital was Obama Born?

"... Hawaii’s form COLB serves as an abstract for the original birth certificate (remember in Dreams, Obama says he found that in High School), which includes extensive details of one’s birth. The State of Hawaii maintains the original long version in its files for all registrants.

... Ann Dunham’s brief stop-over in Mercer Island with baby Barack when he was only 3 weeks old. Is it possible that she was on her way back to Hawaii?

The State of Hawaii does provide for “late registration” births."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/in-which-hospital-was-obama-born/#comments

"I just don't like the way he looks"

Haven't heard one TrailMixer say that....

Posted by: Patsi | July 8, 2008 11:17 AM

Not that is makes a difference to you Patsi, but I did see that one written many many many times until it just got ridiculous. Thank goodness that particular obsession is over.

Sheila, That cyberstalking discussion was from yesterday I think - as a reprise of the day before. Had to do with tracing ISP addresses back to the source - whatever that means.

Posted by: pogo | July 8, 2008 11:03 AM

Ok Pogo, My bust!

And that is a valid point. Cyber stalking is not looking at an IP address to find out who is wreaking havoc on others like this series of anonymous'.

So cyberstalking,,,,I don't think so.

Pogo

I agree Dodd is right.

Obomabots think I will stop being a jerk if I have a key.

"Attacking another poster from behind an anonymous veil might be considered so."

But aren't you anonymous as well, dog? I don't see you signing your real name....

Posted by: Patsi | July 8, 2008 11:21 AM

Awe, but Dogs Eye View has become her name to all of us. We know here just like we know Anon-p who took that name so we could distuinguish him from the other anon's.

These names plus the way they write are finger prints. Don't you think so Patsi?

Obomabots think I will stop being a jerk if I have a key.

Posted by: anonymous | July 8, 2008 11:34 AM

We know you won't. We'll just be able to distinguish you and the others.

Somehow knowing who you are makes you valid in your opinions instead of jerky and cowardly

If you don't like a comment policy which allows anonymous comments.start you own blog.

"I just don't like the way he looks"

Haven't heard one TrailMixer say that....“

But, you do hear it in West Virginia. Bigotry is alive and well there as well as SE Ohio, but then I’ve said that before, haven’t I? I'm guessing their rate of graduation even from high school is very, very low. Just talk with some of them. Or, as in these videos...just listen to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1uA30cXWkI&feature=related

GORDO, Dude, you need to get a life!!!!

**THIS IS A JOKE**

Just wanted to make that clear up front. I found a little tidbit for the tin hat crowd.

The leader of China is Hu. The leader of India is Singh.

It is obvious that Husain is just a mispelling of Hu Singh and that Sen. Obama is not only the Manchurian candidate, but the Mumbai candidate as well.

karolenna, the problem is that Obama said during the primaries that he would withdraw American troops from Iraq as fast as it could safely be done, 1 to 2 combat brigades a month was what he estimated based on his knowledge when he made the comment. I believe that he means to say that he may change the pace of withdrawal based upon the opinions of the commanders on the ground. His problem IMHO is that he has not been clear in his off the cuff explanations, so it's easy to portray him as flipping. He did say very recently that he would give the commanders a new mission - to end the war. That was clear, and he should try that kind of explanation more often. Of course McNN has changed his position on about every issue as well, so I say in resonse to Repug criticisms, BFD, criticize after your candidate stops doing what you're criticizing Obama for.

Sheil

"but I did see that one written many many many times until it just got ridiculous"

I have to go with Patsi on this one. I simply have not seen where any Trailmixer made such a statement. If you can find it, I would appreciate it.

whoa, do we have battling "anons" now? one with a key and one without? will they eat their own?
---

Clicking on the other blog will get your internet address on Bry Bry's secret file. Think before you click.

Who knows they could be compiling a list for FISA coward Obama

Jamie,

I'm sorry. I just don't have time to validate that one. But if you believe me as a truthful person and you believe the concensous of Obama Supporters here.

That one is the burr that has stuck in ALL of our craws.

I will just make one disclamer though. We will get over it just as you have to get over all the burrs in yours.

Agreed?

Clicking on the other blog will get your internet address on Bry Bry's secret file. Think before you click.

Who knows they could be compiling a list for FISA coward Obama

Posted by: anonymous | July 8, 2008 11:48 AM

That really you GORDO? ;0)

That's who you sound like!

Dog,

I wasn't talking about reprisals. For eight years the Republicans have thwarted every single attempt by the Democrats in Congress to accomplish anything even to the extent of filibusters and overriding of Vetos that Congress had passed in the first place.

The shoe will be on the other foot now with what I hope will be a veto proof majority no matter who is in the Presidency. We will need strong leaders in the Speaker's and Majority Leader's spots to push through corrective legislation.

Quite frankly, if the Republicans want to see another ear mark in the next 8 years, the Democratic leaders will need to be firm and absolute. Otherwise it will just be business as usual where the Democratic and Republican power structure has theirs and the country be damned.

Sorry for the rush,

But time for the Baby Blog!

Cheers!

Anonymous,

Every single web page has that capability.....they are called Log Files.....not just the back Channel, but Trail Mix, personal blogs.....every page....

Obama’s move to the middle issue by issue
1) FISA: telecom immunity concerns me far less than how the court works; no one has convinced me that the court will protect our privacy or our freedom of speech.
2) Campaign Finance & FEC: Has there been a shift to the center here? I missed it. William Proxmire was a master of campaign finance and I haven’t seen any reform since. The FEC brought us mandatory digital voting and is kept, purposefully, out of the loop.
3) Guns and religion: Remember the ‘clinging to’ remark. This is all designed to erase the damage. Presidents don’t have much control over gun issues. The Brady bill was one case. A move to the center on these issues is simply an exercise in rhetoric. My favorite advice on this subject is: “Guns don’t kill people bullets do. Tax the shit out of bullets”.
4) Iraq: Here the question is oil (code word--stability)--and, my hawkish friends would say, keeping a military presence in this part of the world. Since we are in Eretria and Turkey the question is oil. I would rather hold Obama to his stance than McCain to his.
Without a link "Money Makes the World go Round".
sung by Unerdog and Rocky the flying squirrel

"These names plus the way they write are finger prints. Don't you think so Patsi?"

I don't know. I wouldn't have a clue as to the identity of anon from what he/she writes....probably could tell a Gordo, Max or anon-paranoid missive....but as I said, I don't care.

"Pumpkin Spice"

ROFL, Jamie! If I had a clue as to how to re-register I just might use that!

"But, you do hear it in West Virginia."

Sheila, The avoe is what I mean. Things happen out in the great wide world that every single tailmixer would think is reprehensible no matter whom they supported.

The folks that supported Sen. Clinton were constantly called racist even though we never said even one thing that any thinking person could construe as racist and I think it was because of things such as what Karolena posted above. We were getting blamed for those who attacked Sen. Obama because of his race when all we were attacking were his political opinions or his experience in certain areas such as foreign relations, economics, and security issues.

"It's when we have no way of knowing anything about the person posting that it becomes something we should all probably ignore."

I look at it differently, Jamie.

My feeling is this: if I read something I like or agree with, or even if I disagree but think it is well said -- I say, "Okay."

If I think it is ig'nert, I say, "ig'nert."

Simple as that.

Speaking of all the internet security measures....is there a way to find out where an e-mail is being sent from? You know, if it's being sent from Chicago, Paris or Africa? I was just wondering if there is a way to determine that?

Example: Karo's post..

"GORDO, Dude, you need to get a life!!!!"

I often disagree with her, but in this case I say, "Okay!" And would say the same if she posted as Stupifyin' Jones. Or anon.

Patsi

Scary, Baby, Ginger, Posh and Sporty will be heartbroken that Pumpkin won't be sharing the stage.

Turn in your mini skirt, soccer ball, and nose ring.

POU,

Don't forget. "I just don't like the way he looks"
a very important issue.

Posted by: Chef Sheila | July 8, 2008 10:34 AM

Well when I saw him on a bicycle, I thought he looked mighty fine. Also, he was a good looking college student as well.

Im just sayin' ...

Jamie,

There are many things said on this blog that I tried to ignore and carry on. Many many times that I let so many statements about Obama or a supporter in general pass me by.

it was because I was trying to respect your feelings as a group and I was getting tired of being the subject of pile on.

While you ALL were licking your wounds you were writing things to inflick more and maybe you don't remember, but WE do.

I'm sorry for bringing it up, but I am not sorry too. Highlights of the season from Hell need to be put to rest. This one sentance is one that was highlighted by us on this blog all season long. Maybe not by you and maybe it got to be so missive by you that you didn't pay attention.

Now I am standing here saying, I will forgive if you will. All of you. We all need some Kumbaya.

After having fussed that anonymous was a rude retardlican agent, and that GORDO's constant harping on the birthcertificate was boring, I went away for eleven days.

I come beck to find anon is still a rude ripuplican agent and GORDO is still chewing on the birth certificate.

So, I've changed my mind about one thing: GORDO is funny in the way that America's Funniest Videos is funny. However, instead of endless plays and replays of guys getting hit in the crotch, we have GORDO's endless failures to come up with a smoking gun.

I haven't changed my mind about anonymous, but merely suggest that Craig pull this guy's plug and make him switch to a different email account.

Certification of Live Birth

"Why is the reference number on the COLB concealed? The number has no relevance or connection to other confidential information; it’s just a file number issued by the State of Hawaii, the first four digits of which indicate the year of birth.

If there is a physical COLB for Obama from Hawaii with an embossed seal, registrar’s stamp, and all the other required elements of an official COLB, why hasn’t Obama produced that for independent verification?"

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/update-birth-certificate-facts-questions/

I think the constant hiding behind different nicknames is getting old and being misused. Is it not possible to blog with each other and stand by what we have to say? When I went to Evergreen, we were encouraged to be expressive, but also to own our opinions. It was a "community" and we all had a role in its development and health. We could learn from that model when we participate here.

Craig, if you are reading this, I think the days of "drive by postings" should become history. Why not require everyone to have a static nickname and email address? If we own our own thoughts and are unabashed by presenting them, what do we have to hide?

That's just my thoughts...

And following up and "owning my own comments" ... GORDO, I would love to know more about you. Things like where you live, what's your profession, how you got interested in politics, your age.. blah blah blah. If you don't care to share, that's ok, but I think it would give some of us a better picture of who you are in this stage of the Earthwalk.

The Presidential campaign Money Machine

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/07/for-mccain-money-talks.aspx

McCain

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/08/four-myths-of-obama-s-money-machine.aspx

Obama

OH yeah, when I was a kid, UNDERDOG was my favourite !!!

"Whenever there was a call for help... 'Help! Help! Help' -- Shoeshine Boy became in real life: UNDERDOG !!!! "

Did I get that right?

Nevermind. Someone was trying to scam me BIG TIME through the internet! I've been doing some research and what I found out was NOT GOOD. This person never existed. The pictures of her were actually picture of some model. I don't think they were able to do any damage. *Fingers crossed* It had only been a couple of days. I've reported this person.

"There's no NEED to FEAR: UNDERDOG is HERE"... dammit I can't get it out of my head. Great now I got UNDERDOG and Electric Light Orchestra on my mind.

McCain as cartoon: Yosemite Sam

http://yosemite-sam.net/Sam/Sam-Side.jpg

All about Yosemite Sam and the many ways Bugs triumphed

http://yosemite-sam.net/Sam/Yosemite-Sam-History-Facts.htm

"Well when I saw him on a bicycle, I thought he looked mighty fine. Also, he was a good looking college student as well. "

ROFL, Tom!

Underdog Theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjOi_3H7gw

and from the same era: Super Chicken

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKss2pBYQ6Y

Yes, yes, and BO is the Pink Panther; acts cool, but never really says anything.

Since the elitists catering the convention want to serve watercress sandwiches and tea...
from the TX State Fair, I submit for a consession stand just outside: Deep Fried Latte – fried pastry topped with cappuccino ice cream, caramel sauce, whipped cream & instant coffee powder

The Golden Gate Bridge District is in the final planning stages for a suicide barrier. There is opposition to it from people who think "if you want to kill yourself go ahead."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/08/BADF11LBMR.DTL&tsp=1

corey - Glad your dad got to go home.

tiptoe - I'm afraid to open my electrictiy bill this month, but that's the price we pay for short, mild winters.

Maybe Craig's fried baloney sandwich needs some tempura batter and a hot, lard bath. Now that is convention food.

"There are many things said on this blog that I tried to ignore and carry on. Many many times that I let so many statements about Obama or a supporter in general pass me by. "

Here's what I don't get at all: why is this such an issue? Why is a group hug important? Come on, this isn't anybody's real life. Not even close. People here are off in cyberspace.

There are a few people here that I'd like to meet in person, but that's unlikely.

The larger issue for me is that I do not remember this being an Obama blog. I do not remember this being a Hillary blog or a Joe Biden blog. I do not remember Craig starting it as a blog for Democrats. This ain't Kos, sports fans.

If the most important thing here is to -- as an old neighbor of my mother's used to yell out the door to her boorish child: "Be sweet, Mona!" Then we should stroll over to a new age site and chant.

KGC

I'm with the "let 'em jump" crowd. Certainly efforts should be made to get help for the chronically depressed etc., but as one person said, if they are motivated enough to take that long watch on the bridge for a dramatic leap, then they will find some other venue if that one is blocked. Why ruin the bridge?

Of course I have a living will with a DNR clause, and I didn't think Kervorkian did anything wrong either.

By the way, as for the fighting here....don't know if you all heard the news yesterday about K.C. Chief tight end Tony Gonzales performing the Heimlich manuveur and saving that man's life in California. The guy said he was a San Diego Chargers fan, but he would now root for Tony Gonzalez and Kansas City as well because Tony saved his life. Oh and thank you , Blue.

Looks like Elmer Fudd, acts like Daffy Duck.

Bugs Bunny was a strong influence on the young Pink Panther.

Corey,

Any time you receive a plea for money or get some email that is "too good to be true" such as lotteries etc., then you should run it past Snopes http://snopes.com/ to see if it is in any way legitimate.

Sometimes even the real ones have been around for so long that the need no longer exists (i.e. Shergold).

The way he looks??? I sure haven't seen that written here (except today). And, I can't imagine, if I had, letting it slide by without a response.

Sheila, I know you're busy now, but perhaps some day when you're not backed-up.

Now, I can understand why that remark would be offensive---just like I'm offended by Pogo's characterization of Sen McCain in his 9:07. Am I going to make a federal case out of it? Of course not because I know Pogo is a thoroughly decent human being.

Can you believe that as soaring gas prices have cause public transit ridership to spike, some states are cutting back public transit services because they can't afford the higher fuel costs?

http://www.projo.com/news/content/RIPTA_CUTS_07-07-08_83AOJGD_v17.43a537c.html

Jamie, as much as I did not like John Engler (R) as Michigan's Governor...one year his opponent for Governor was Geoffrey Feiger, Dr. Kevorkian's attorney. Feiger was the Democratic candidate. There was no way I could vote for him. However, a few years ago, Michigan's attorney general Mike Cox (R) was gonna nail Feiger on a some shady business deals. Feiger countered by saying that he had evidence that Cox had cheated on his wife. Cox publicly apologized to his family and dropped the investigation into Feiger.

Suicides via bridges cost taxpayers a bundle, tying up traffic, and necessitating the use of water patrols and divers.

American suicides should show more consideration for their neighbors, by doing the work quietly at home, or at the front door of the county morgue.

Beware of trolls.... rep trolls particularly.

Do you mean trolls as in those residing under the aforementioned bridges?

wouldn't take the polls too seriously right now. I believe that after BO officially becomes the nominee you will see some real GOP ads. The October surprise will be people finding out the emporer has no clothes or substance.

Posted by: JS Ruby | July 8, 2008 9:15 AM

Well we already see that McCain has no substance... so why would we wait til October?

Jamie

I'm with you on the DNR and Kevorkian but there is compelling evidence on suicides to suggest prevention is the right thing to do. The original design for the GGBridge had a suicide barrier. None of the new proposals impact the design or look of the bridge.
There is a bridge in Canada second to the GG in suicides and since they put up the barrier none. Most ssuicide attempts are a one time and any opportunity for a second thought is good.

http://www.suicide.org/golden-gate-bridge-suicides.html

~Except the poll I posted this morning showing pet owners to be pro-McCain.~ Well, if it shows that people don't have warm & fuzzy factor for BO, maybe the flaming tildes are unnecessary.

My Mom said that her bible study group decided to discuss ethics a week or two ago. She said that was an eye opener. Another woman wanted to discuss suicide. They didn't wanna talk about that, until she told them her son had committed suicide.

Given the absolute rejection of anything repug in this coming election, Obama will win without any difficulty. Our political nominating and election processs is obscenely expensive...too bad we can't piss away that money on the needs American people rather than squandering on the top of the pyramid.

And I try to look at the good the government has done for the country...the best thing from the feds is the interstate system. Too bad they do not use that median right of way to construct a monorail system across the country to be used for commuters (stations at the overpasses) and consumer goods. Save a ton of energy and is an ideal way to move people and freight within the existing system. Also could possibly support a civilian work corp to build the project.

This is the sort of thing I want to see from the dems. More on issues and less on the pander.

My sister's dog is a female and she was digusted by all the sexism in the campaign. LOL!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-111967

KC, LOL - they'll have to go to the bridge between SF & Oakland if they want to off themselves by a plunge into the Bay. Doesn't have quite the same cachet, does it?

Good afternoon. I see this threads gone from Barack Obama's landslide victory to talk of suicide.

Come on, folks, it's not that bad yet.

KGC

Right in the article is states that the proposed design will block the view of the bridge from two of the most popular public biking or driving areas.

I doubt that picking up the bodies while engaging in other coast guard duties is more expensive than the cost of retrofitting and upkeep on the bridge.

Corey, The theological view is that suicide is the ultimate sin. In fact it is so prohibited that there are still places where you cannot be buried on church grounds if you kill yourself unless there is a hearing where it is declared that it occured while being mentally unbalanced. Supposedly it insults God by denying his existence because you have given in to despair and no longer believe that there is spirtual assistance available.

Pogo

No pedestrian access on the Bay Bridge. You have to drive and jump and people have! But it is true not the same cachet.

"I doubt that picking up the bodies while engaging in other coast guard duties is more expensive than the cost of retrofitting and upkeep on the bridge"

Except they don't do it while engaged in other duties.
The Canadians did a study before retrofitting the Bloor Street Bridge and the cost was 800k per suicide.

I

MSNBC Veepstakes voting for this week is now open

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24672458/

I had that discussion with my Mom, Jamie. I mentioned the belief that suicide was a sin and a person could not get into Heaven if they committed suicide. My Mom's response was, "That's not true!" By the way, I do know someone who had a friend commit suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. She was pretty devestated.

Thanks, flatus. My disdain for the Repugs' campaign for McCain as war hero, etc., etc., and firm belief that whether by age or just lack of a youthful enough outlook to assume the presidency (and I don't mean to osuggest that someone has to be as young as Obama to be president) doesn't alter my almost complete distrust of him to handle the nation's security and the nation's judiciary.

And pollwatchers, as I said earlier, it's very close - Gallup has it at 2%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108700/Gallup-Daily-Obama-46-McCain-44.aspx

KGC: I am quite surprised that SF has finally decided to put up a suicide barrier. It is my recollection that it was resisted for years, quite adamantly. Has there been a recent increase in the rate of suicides? Or is this just another example of one group of people having the political muscle to "save" another group of people?

Today's incredible human silliness example

http://www.superlambbanana.com/home.php?/HOME

It is obvious that extended exposure to Monty Python can warp the brain. The Brits are now certifiably nuts.

I want a super lamb banana

And further proof of insanity

Olga the traveling bra, now visiting Liverpool and the super lamb bananas

http://olgathetravelingbra.blogspot.com/

Corey: Believe me when I tell you that suicide is devastating to friends and family no matter which method is chosen.
The sin of suicide is not that it offends God, but that everyone left behind carries the crushing guilt of feeling that something more could have or should have been done.

From Bill Herbert’s NYT column:

“But behind the scenes, there is discontent among African-Americans, as well, over Mr. Obama’s move away from progressive issues, including his support of the Supreme Court’s decision affirming the constitutional right of individuals to bear arms."

Excuse me, but are these the same AAs who early on didn’t think BHO was “black enough”

Are these the same group of idiots who said Bill Cosby was being “disrespectful” to his heritage when he says young black men with baggy jeans below their asses and caps on sideways shuffling home from school are losers going nowhere. (Or words to that effect)

There are AAs out there who can’t wait to blame white America if BHO loses. They have made a career out of agitation and playing the blame game. They almost become irrelevant if Barack wins.

Fortunately (both for Barack and most AAs) these idiots do not speak for AAs who are trying to make a living, put food on the table and create better futures for their kids.

Flatus,

I was doing nothing more than pointing out what is pointed out every day and accepted here as nothing.

I am not crying in my beer. I got over it. But if you think that any of us will stand down anymore, we won't.

I wil. be polite because that is who I am. But I will point it out and walk on.

But don't think wiping this off the table as a stupid and silly thing for Obama Supporters to be saying. Because we would not have left if things were as you try to point out.

and it is still here. This is why it comes up. Stop the mob mentality as a group and both sides will meld together.

Kumbaya!

Sorry gotta go again. Come over and visit our blog for once and post. That might be a bridge you can cross, right?

Jamie: I'll have to watch myself for signs of brain warp. I am still watching Monty Python, and still laughing at the same old skits.

maggs, I know that was to jamie, but good comedy (particularly good stupid comedy) is timeless.

As we call back>>>

HI RITA! Great to meet you! Love your posts even though I'm not sure I agree!

"But don't think wiping this off the table as a stupid and silly thing for Obama Supporters to be saying. Because we would not have left if things were as you try to point out."

Where did you get that from??? Certainly from nothing I've said in this thread.

You made an allegation and were asked to provide more specifics. You didn't. Now you do a shift to wherever.

PP, whether it is the strategy Axelrod is now using for Obama or not, it is the same basic strategy McAuliffe successfully employed for Bill Clinton. As they say, there's nothing new under the sun. (Oh, and I'm Larry, and I've met the enemy and he is us.)

Pogo: Actually, the funniest Monty Python bit I ever saw came from Maggie Thatcher at a Torie Convention. She was talking about the Lib-Dems (party symbol is a yellow dove of peace) and she did the most perfect deadpan of the dead parrot routine! She had the staid old Tories in stitches.

Karolenna, I'm trying to figure out that WV/SEOH shot above. Of course if by looks, you mean because he looks like he's a black man, yep - plenty of that around here, not to mention FL, GA, AL, MS, SC, NC, VA, LA, AK, MI, CA, MA, NH, TX, you get the drift.

maggs, I would have loved to have seen that. I bet she could carry it off as well as the MPs ever could.

"Stop the mob mentality as a group and both sides will meld together. "

I simply don't understand this, Sheila. Do you come here to "meld"? Why is this important to you? I am never going to get on your O-train. So why keep demanding it?

Theologians are always trying to make God conform to their wishes.

People, not God, put "unforgivable sin" on the poor suicide. This is pure vengeance for all the pain that suicide causes the survivors.

God never never never said that suicide was an "unforgivable sin."

Not even the Christain God said that suicide is an "unforgivable sin", and he's an expert, having done it himself. He knew he would be killed and allowed it to happen. Like standing in front of a speeding train. If that isn't suicide what is?

"my name is Rita and I'm politically pissed. "

ROFL, Rita!

Maggiesd,

My favorite Python scenes are the Killer Rabbit, the French soldier taunting at the castle, and the biggus diccus scene in LOB...

Be interesting to see if the Christopher/Baker war powers act revamp will be any less unconstitutional than the law it is meant to replace.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/washington/09powers.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1215540524-d0pY77NUyY0j2LXcu9tNLQ

With regard to the so-called Clinton strategy. Except for his first term as Governor, Bill Clinton was always a centrist. He did not have to run to the center because he was already there.
Sen Obama, on the other hand, seems to be tacking to the center in a way that resembles a Chinese fire drill.
I thought the great promise of Sen Obama was that, while he didn't have much experience, he had a new vision. I do still remember the contempt with which he characterized Hillary as Bush-Cheney lite.
At the risk of offending, may I humbly suggest that some of Sen Obama's recent statements regarding late-term abortions (not for women who are just "feeling blue"), gun control laws, government-funded faith-based programs, and so on seem farther to the right than anything Hillary ever proposed.

Pogo (Hi Larry); 2:00 pm..... You are correct, the enemy is us, but for all our human frailties, we know a huckster when we see one.

Chef Sheila; 1:57 pm..... Hi yourself and thanx for the greet. Here's a poser for you, is it funny or is it racist?

"A middle eastern gentleman had his rug hung over a fence and was beating the dust out of it with one of those bamboo whips. A car drove slowly by and the driver yelled at the man, " What's the matter won't it start?"

Pogo: Ol' Maggie was priceless.
I had the good fortune--purely by happenstance--to be present on the day of her last PM question time. When I got to St Stephen's Gate the crowd was lined up all the way around the corner and back to Westminster Bridge. It was soooooo fortunate that I had had the gumption to write to an MP and request tickets, so I waltzed right in .... I was there until past 10 pm, listening to all the farewell speeches and such... I think if I lived in the UK I would probably be a Lib-Dem but I surely admire Mrs Thatcher's strength of character.

What? Again? Iraq warning us not to attack them or they'll respond?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?hp

I agree we shouldn't attack them, but not because of fear of reprisal.

maggisd

Turn over on the bridge board and the Suicide Prevention group are the biggest reasons. But the deciding factors were the success of the Canadian project and being able to get money from the feds for the design study.

Up thread someone linked to the movie which is of people jumping off the bridge. It was released at the height of the study discussion. It is very sensational and got a lot of media attention. A couple of the people who jumped and lived spoke out and their stoies seem to resonate.

The suicide barrier and the moveable traffic barrier (to prevent head ons) have been discussed for the last thirty years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/mcdonalds-makes-jesus-cry_b_111421.html

I believe repugs are using McCain as their patsy this election. He is old and will be unelectable toast. They can blame the loss on him and regroup for the next election. The power shift has already begun. This is all bigger than any of us and the result of the vacuum created by the Bush administration’s blunders and plunders.

This may be the true reason the dem fight has been so tough…the dem nominee IS going to be President. It also explains the negative slant of the dem nominating process and the feeling that Obama stole the nomination from Clinton. Again, this is bigger than any of us and Clinton supporters can stay home at election time and the Obama campaign will still succeed in garnering enough votes in the electoral college. It is not about the popular vote, but about strategic wins. In reality, the shift from the repugs will be so huge, the longtime dems support is not needed. Yep, too bad Clinton folks didn’t see this coming.

maggs, Bill ran to the left in the primaries, then returned to the center from whence he had come. Not saying anything negative about the strategy - just recognizing it for what it is. As you'll recall, the dem wing of the dem party was pretty disappointed with Bill's governing from the middle. As for me, as a moderate anyway, I had no real problem with it. He always struck me as true to liberal social policies, and he was so hamstrung with the new Republican majority and the unending pursuit of him by Ken Starr, being a centriston other issues seemed like the only way he could accomplish anything.

KGC: To be honest, I have always felt I was taking my life in my hands just driving across the Golden Gate. We have moveable traffic barriers on our Coronado Bridge but it is a much different type of structure. I don't know if it's true that the lanes on the Golden Gate are narrow, but they feel narrow to me.
I saw that documentary about jumpers on the bridge ... it must have been on PBS some years ago.

For all those who thought my comment yesterday was funny, thank you, it was a joke. I have noticed, however, & I'm not being nasty here, that some of Obama's supporters, not just here but elsewhere, have very little sense of humor where their candidate is concerned. I imagine Jesus' disciples felt the same way.

And for those who are offended, please remember, as I do when I see things here that are unpleasant to me, that you live in a great country where everyone is free to express their opinion, whether it agrees with yours or not. Isn't that what the fireworks & hoopla this past weekend was really about?

Pogo: That's me -- left on the social issues, moderate on fiscal and "governance" issues.
Bill was not my candidate in the primaries (we supported Gov Moonbeam to the bitter end) and I worked very long hours in those years, so I do not recall that he ran to the left in the primaries, but you may well be correct.
Except for the failure to make a real push on environmental / fuel issues, I liked the Clinton years. Of course, a lot of that had to do with Rep Dingell.

"KGC: To be honest, I have always felt I was taking my life"

I call the center lanes the death lanes. There have been two head on collusions in recent months.
The Bridge Board has a design for a moveable barrier that looks like giant zipper. I think the traffic barrier will be up before the suicide barrier.

dog...since I have been interested in politics, I have found many comedians have also become political pundits. As I say, what is so funny about politics anyway? A lot to be sure and humor is usually abusive if you really look at comedy. Someone laughing at someone else's expense.

Since it is your America, too, you can judge jeejee, but you really have lost your sense of humor. Maybe you need some maturing to allow others to be immature.

Everyone has their rights....to say what they want.

On this Blog, the host author Craig Crawford, has asked very politely on several occasions that we show each other respect.

If you can not understand that request, ( or choose to ignore it) then you will never recognize the issues and concerns expressed by those who see this blog deteriorating.

KGC: Of course, I'm kind of a coward when it comes to driving in SF to begin with. I used to love the 30 Stockton Bus (does it still run), and the ferry ... and walking -- did a lot of that when I visited. Have not been for years, however, despite the fact that I have loads of family in Berkeley.

maggisd

SF is a transit first city. Between the available public transit and innovations like Car Share, you do not need to own a car. Parking sucks and is expensive.
The 30 stockton continues to run from North Beach through Chinatown. I even like to ride the cable cars although not in the summer.

Great energy spot for Obama.

In Cleveland it was the auto industry (GM) that forced the city's hands to eliminate it's electric avenue....I toured the remains last weekend.

I went shopping for a few minutes. Looking for the Red Wings championship video, it came out today. While I was at Target, I saw the new issue of Ebony magazine. The cover story was "The 25 Coolest Brothers In History". I opened the magazine to the article. Barack Obama was the first person they mentioned. Here is a link to their online article. They have a poll where you can cast your own vote.

http://www.ebonyjet.com/coolmen/

"has asked very politely on several occasions that we show each other respect."

Indeed,
So where was the respect for JeeJee's point of view?
Or Chloe's for that matter.

Jack

you will never recognize the issues and concerns expressed by those who see this blog deteriorating. -- Burrito

I have not been here that long, so I cannot judge what you mean by deteriorating. My observation is that there is a certain amount of sensitivity that seems a little over the top. I certainly agree that it is not polite to insult another participant in the blog, but shouldn't one be free to make observations about the candidates? Not every observation is a criticism and even if it were, what is there to discuss if we all agree on everything? Politics is about disagreement, different points of view, different ideas and observations.
If you find a comment insulting, by all means say so, but let us not assume that every quip or quote is meant disagreeably.

Dog..

"Dear Blonde Wino, I think it is you who could use a bit of perspective"....enlighten me on the perspective I need, please.

What we think is funny, is very personal and as you stated, part of free speech. Those of you who are more enlightened and evolved, surely can allow for the "lesser of us" to say things that they think our funny. Don't laugh, but do allow others to laugh at what they think is funny. Smiling may be universal, but not humor.

Maggisd

Bravo
Jack gives a standing ovation

perhaps - what we are seeing on this blog, is really just a true reflection of people being the best they can be...?

all different levels and all different backgrounds

Maybe some expect too much from those who have a different set of acceptable levels of civility... ?

I mean take the "sh*t " in the ice cream comment....not funny to me.....actually disgusting to me.....but maybe "sh*t " jokes are common to he poster....

KGC: As frequently as I could, I used to just park my car for the duration when I visited SF. Most of my visits were just long weekends ... I have always felt it was one of the best cities ever for weekend visits.

A middle eastern gentleman had his rug hung over a fence and was beating the dust out of it with one of those bamboo whips. A car drove slowly by and the driver yelled at the man, " What's the matter won't it start?"

Posted by: politicallypissed | July 8, 2008 2:12 PM

Rita,

I'd say that was a terribly insensitive and ignorant remark.

I'd say that reasonably its based on a prejudice.

Here is a WIKI definiton;

The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case or event. The word has commonly been used in certain restricted contexts, in the expression 'racial prejudice'. Initially this is referred to making a judgment about a person based on their race,religion,etc., before receiving information relevant to the particular issue on which a judgment was being made; it came, however, to be widely used to refer to any hostile attitude towards people based on their race or even by just judging someone without even knowing them. Subsequently the word has come to be widely so interpreted in this way in contexts other than those relating to race. The meaning now is frequently "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence".[1] Race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, and religion have a history of inciting prejudicial behavior.

Pogo joins Jack in that standing O.

Burrito

The airwaves are filled with scatological humor...not my choice, but to many who laugh at their own farts, it might be the funniest thing they ever heard!

BTW,

For Ya'll Rita and I are discussing, want to join? She asked me what I thought of the remark.

A valid point.

As I suspected, drinking the kool-aid has a side effect of squashing the humor button on Obama supporters.

(PS This is a joke and perhaps only Clinton supporters will get it). I guess this means humor is not democratic.

Yes Blonde,

That is what I am talking about.....it's not any big deal to some .......but to others it is vulgar....

I can see that here many times.....I guess I should look at those comments with more of a , "they must have been raised that way" attitude, and not think of it as a vulgar attack.

I am a Clinton supporter who now supports Obama....I don't drink any feakin' koolaid.....I drink Sassy water...lololol

Burrito...

Tolerance used to be so American.

JeeJee

When engaged in sarcasm Blue recently recomended that we use , ~comment here~
;-0

Jack

Sheila: What if the person who made the remark was also of Middle Eastern appearance? Or, perhaps a friend or relative? Would that change the humor potential?

Burrito...Cavalier cool-aid.

The Back Channel Blog is very interesting. I would recommend you visit it.

Craig has a blogroll here on this site 25 alternative blogs are listed for people to explore.

Maggie

If I lived in the UK, this would be my party (yes they actually do get elected sometimes).

http://www.omrlp.com/

Now for something completely different. It is after 3:00 PM East Coast Time. Today is the deadline. Has Nancy Pelosi found a big enough pair and ordered the arrest of Karl Rove?

Katy Crack: I like the plan The City has , allowing companies to rent cars by-the-minute of usage. It's really easy now, pop in your access card and drive away, and get a monthly bill for hours used. SF used to have only New Beetles in the fleet, now you can rent the kind of car you want.
I spent a lot of time in The City years ago, sans car, and it was incredibly easy to navigate the area via bus and cable car, and this was before BART. I have subsequently used BART, my only problem , as a tourist, was figuring out how to buy a ticket with cash...at the Fremont station the vandals had marked all over the machine and a kind taxi driver took pity on me , an obvious ree-tard in his eyes, and pushed the buttons for me....

Oh, and if we are taking a poll on which jokes are funny: I didn't like the ice cream and I did like the non flying carpet.

As I suspected, drinking the kool-aid has a side effect of squashing the humor button on Obama supporters.

(PS This is a joke and perhaps only Clinton supporters will get it). I guess this means humor is not democratic.

Posted by: Blonde wino | July 8, 2008 3:07 PM

If it was really ment as fun for both sides, I'd say Cool.....But Wino that can easily be seen as another slight. Because you really didn't mean it with any good will. There is the difference.

Jamie: I doubt that Rove will be arrested. But it would be interesting.
They are working the Harriet Miers case through the courts and it looks as if she will be ordered to appear or show cause. If that works, it's probably the way it will go with Rove. Dan Abrams (one of the few I still watch on MSNBC) has been all over this.

Some of these must be applicable to American politicians and party platforms:

Monster Raving Looney Party Manifesto

http://www.omrlp.com/index.php?page=manifesto-proposals

Congressional approval ratings continue downward spiral Submitted on: 07/08/08

Only 12 percent of Americans have confidence in Congress according to the new Gallup poll.

http://www.smallgovtimes.com/story/08jul08.approval.ratings/index.html

Dog...I will leave you with a joke.

Why is life like a shit sandwich?

Because the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat.

Are there still people out there that think that Hillary is going to be the nominee?

jamie, ditto.

:::eye roll::::

Dexter

Car share operates in Philadelphia too and probably other places. We need more of this kind of thinking.
For planning purposes, density and access to transit has gone up on the importance scale.

As boomers age and can't drive anymore the pressure for better transit options will increase.

Bart is great but like most Bay area public places has terrible signable. The nine bay area counties despite being an international touist destination do not have signs in anything but English.

Gosh Maggs,

Good point. I wonder what the answer would be?

My ex is Native American and held a very low opinion of himself and his relatives and tribe because of the opinions visited on him by white society. He actually joked about Indians and their stupidity and drunkeness with others while they thought he was Hawiian. He was so ashamed to call himself Native American.

Is there a difference there? After looking at it in my husbands perspective, I'm not so sure.

But a great question

"Are there still people out there that think that Hillary is going to be the nominee?"

No rational ones but remember the polls where 10% of the people responding claim to have been abducted by aliens from outerspace.

Jack

signable = signage

"Are there still people out there that think that Hillary is going to be the nominee"

Sure they are all hanging out at Gordo's place.

Even Gov Sonny Perdue has hopped on the transit bandwagon in early Juine.

After being the reason no new commuter rail was being built, Perdue has reversed himself.

This could be the golden age of mass transit.
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/06/12/perdue_transit_plan.html

Can we drop the invective and recriminations and talk politics?

My gut tells me cut their heads off. My head tells me 1 in 6 is not guilty of the charge ('though perhaps of something else) My head also tells me that through history only poor people got the noose, ax, bullet, chair, gas, or needle. Shaw, Molyneux, the Menendez boys, and Peterson all got nice warm bunks; that creepy homicidal ripuplican pol from South Dakota & OJ both got to go golfing.

What about setting aside a piece of treeless real estate in mid ocean for all the death row guys, giving them each a trench tool and a bag of burpee seeds, and allowing them to live in their own society, & by their own efforts, forever?

It would save both money and lives over the present idiotic system.

Jamie: Some items on their party platform appear insensitive.

I am personally totally opposed to the ban on wire coat hangers. They are quite useful, although not for hanging garments.

Here is a link to a Ohio St. Buckeye fan forum. I have often thought of posting there, but after reading their "policies page" you'll see why I didn't. Considering I am a Michigan fan. They have strict rules against Anti-OSU posters on their forum.

http://forums.the-ozone.net/policy.html

xrepublican: I believe the French tried that.

I am so sorry that people don't like my sense of humor.
It makes me appreciate the rednecks around here, they really know how to have fun at their own expense.
Here's a typical redneck joke:

Three rednecks were driving down the road in a pickup truck alongside the river. One was driving, the others were in the back.The truck ran off the road, & all three men drowned. The driver died because he couldn't get his doors open. The men in the back died because they couldn't get the tailgate open.

jeejee: If someone told me that joke in person, I would bite my lip bloody to keep from laughing.
On the other hand, here in the privacy of my own home, ROFL ...

“The folks that supported Sen. Clinton were constantly called racist even though we never said even one thing that any thinking person could construe as racist and I think it was because of things such as what Karolena posted above.”

No, Jamie, that is not true. I did not say it because they are Clinton supporters. Obviously, you did not listen to either of those video clips I presented to you. If you did you would have clearly heard people saying they would not vote for Obama, some even saying because he is black. One says over and over again that he is a Muslim even when the reporter and her friend at the table with her tell her it isn’t so (sounds like my aunt). Don’t forget, I have relatives who live in WV and SE Ohio. They are ALL educated people, meaning a college education, but they are bigots because they tell me why they are not voting for Obama. It has nothing to do with his policies. They are blue Democrats and never will be anything else. But, they can’t bring themselves to vote for a black man. Pitiful, IMO. Are you from WV?

That brings up another bigoted situation. While we were on vacation my sister had my mother staying with her for the 10 days. My sister has a Limited Edition Thunderbird convertible and this one congresswoman always asks her to drive her in the parades around here. Judy drove her in the Gay Pride Parade. My mother, who is afraid of everything especially staying by herself, stayed by herself in their huge home while all of them went to the Gay Pride Parade. She couldn’t stand the thought of watching “these people” in a parade. But, you have to realize that she is 83 and will never change her opinions.

Sorry, in text the link didn't present as a link.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112034

Shelia,
just a statement was quoted.....there was no discussion other then the content.

I tend toward the juvenile in humor. The carpet joke was funny. It invited invective, It was not, however inciteful. The ice cream flavor thing was a good example of tasteless humor.

Pogo,

is it a requirement to sign on to every idea the candidate has lock stock and barrel? Just wondering because I never seen any candidates that I support that way. Aren't Dems more than monolithic? Hope that is the right word.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Got it Burrito,

Karolenna

No one on this blog was in those videos. That was my point. WE HERE US were accused of being racists simply because some idiots in the outside world were. That behavior was not typical of Hillary supporters and our reasons for supporting her were because we were FOR her not AGAINST him. It had nothing to do with the shade of his skin.

humor is situational also.....ever been in a really serious place and get the giggles....that is the worst but it is so dang funny....

Maggie

The ban on wire coat hangers must stand. They rub against each other in the closet breeding huge hanger litters that then morph into rusty bicycles.

Jamie,
I don't remember being called a racist. I think I would have remembered that......maybe someone could look that up for me.....

jack,

For some humans the quote of a lifetime is "'Hello!', he/she lied".

Usually comes packed like a sandwich with a fat ol' drooping lip of condescension marbled with hypocrisy.

UB

The classic example of inappropriate giggles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cL4tMKjfS0

How about a national ID that displays everyone's preference: life in the cell or death by needle?

Then, when the republican murders some poor prostituted teen, or runs a stoplight to run over some 'worthless' motorcyclist, he gets whatever he's put on his ID card.

That episode won a grammy didn't it?

karolenna - your mother sounds exactly like my mother sounded. My mom's family was from very rural AL, and nothing was going to change her views of blacks and gay folks. But she would not abide a disrepectful word about any black person she knew - and really, the only blacks she knew worked for her, her family or friends. She didn't know anyone who was openly gay, so anything was fair game. As they say in the south, it's just the way she was raised, bless her heart.

And btw, jamie and other Hillary supporters here were called racist repeatedly and doggedly (not by dog that I can recall btw) by Obama supporters - and by no means by all Obama supporters - for comments that had nothing to do with Obama's heritage and everything to do with his policies.

UB

Maybe no one did that to you. As you say, you would remember it. I do.

"I wasn't offended jeejee, just made me feel sorry for you. "

JeeJee -- Don't pay any attention. This is a tactic, used by that poster over and over in lieu of anything substantial.

Jamie: You keep wire coat hangers in your closet? Well, that's your problem right there. I keep one or two in my car, and several in my garden shed. They can be most useful.

For any of you who might be interested in owning a sports franchise, it is being reported that the Rooney family is shopping the Pittsburgh Steelers around to potential buyers.

"Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted." -Groucho Marx

Patsi,

And it's filed right under "I know you are but what am I?"

Corey: Maybe Theresa Heinz Kerry will be interested.

"No one on this blog was in those videos. That was my point. WE HERE US were accused of being racists simply because some idiots in the outside world were. That behavior was not typical of Hillary supporters and our reasons for supporting her were because we were FOR her not AGAINST him. It had nothing to do with the shade of his skin."

Jamie, I completely understand your position and did not accuse the Clinton supporters of anything…at least I did not mean to do so. Although some of you have come around to the fact that we now have a candidate, some cannot fathom that if we don’t come together as Democrats there is a possibility that we will have four more years of what we have had these last eight years.

It’s like my nephew in Rochester, NY emailed me the other day about our aunt and her rants with incorrect information (Muslim, pledges, etc.): “I talked to ________ a couple of days ago and she really makes me sad to think that a woman of her intelligence still believes what the TV and the old folks listen to on right wing radio say. Oh well I still love her.”

'dooty,

That ain't necessary as far as I'm concerned. I figure Obama is against our continued presence in Iraq (and hopefully Afghanistan and, god forbid, Iran) and will appoint judges and justices with liberal leanings. To some extent I have to take him at his word on the first issue and on faith on the second. And I expect he will keep the major retirement and medical programs in place. Any other issue I agree with him on is nice but not necessary, but I would like to know. Frankly, I wish he were much clearer in the issues section of the website and would rely less on excerpts from his speeches. I don't have a great deal of faith in politicians holding true to the positions they express in speeches during campaigns.

Patsi...it was specific...read the entire post...it was not directed at any one individual.

I think the 2 camps were infiltrated by ripuplican "sagrettis" who made racist comments from the Clinton side and sexist comments from the Obama side, trying to prevent unity behind the winner.

It is my belief that a couple of these agents still comment on this blog.

For the rest of us, let's get over the slights and hurt feelings, please, and get on with planning a new and improved America with Platformate.

Karolenna

I get the same kind of noise from my cousin, but she will be voting for McCain so I don't even bother saying anything other than replying to the emails with the Snopes referece links.

Karolenna: We have not exchanged views here, but I would like to take the opportunity to let you know that, although a life-long Democrat, I am not particularly interested in Party unity right now.
I have serious and substantial misgivings about the entire Primary system and the way delegates are allocated. Things I did not know until this election. Things I want to see fixed.
And, I take every opportunity I am given to respond to the frequent requests for financial support with by expressing my concerns in lieu of donations.

is it talking behind somebody's back when somebody posts the same identical text -- minus the French -- on Craig's blog?

Posting identical comments is rude. It is a form of spamming.

Dex, if you're around, I know you know this already, being a Versus addict, but the 2 US teams are doing right well in the Tour so far this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/sports/sportsspecial1/09tour.html?hp

xrepublican: I do not think a Republican operative told Sen Obama to refer to a professional journalist as "Sweetie" nor to comment that late-term abortions should not be allowed for women who are just "feeling blue" ...

"Maybe some expect too much from those who have a different set of acceptable levels of civility... ? "

Yes, some people just had no decent upbringing, not pointing to anyone, certainly, but some obviously have little education or class or life.

Of course, all the rest of us are practically perfect.

Well, as much fun as this has been, it's Tuesday, so yet another swim meet beckons. Everyone have a nice evening.

The election, hopefully will set records for new voters. That's exciting. If disgruntled Hillary supporters want to sit on their hands and not vote, they have every right.

However, I think any personal message they intend, by way of a non-vote, will be over shadowed by the record turn-out country wide.

OK, Patsi, you crack me up. But you know that.

Patsi,
Pull the bee out of your bonnet.....there are differences...you know it...I never said any was better, just different.

burrito: In my case, it's not my vote with which I hope to send a message...it's the absence of financial support. I was never a huge donor, but I am on all their lists and I respond to every solicitation with a letter about my concerns.

I guess what I find so interesting about the election are all of the comments I hear about the primary rules "this election" and the caucus states. Aren’t they the same rules that we used to give Bill Clinton the Democratic nomination twice? Why is this year any different than those two election cycles? Just wondering!

in the pocketbook...usually works, but this year maybe more so on local levels - seeing as Obama has a huge money making machine...largest in history.

Gee, I don't know what amuses me most-people insulting my upbringing or calling my sense of humor tasteless.

FYI, I was raised on a farm. On a farm, sh*t happens, & is occasionally funny.

Also, it has a flavor. The way my little dogs keep raiding the cat's litter pan, it must taste like candy to them. Taste is truly subjective.

"So we appoligise for the public posting. "

Sheila -- please do not apologize to me for the comment. I was raised by a father who said there are two completely useless words in the English language: guilt and blame. I'll repeat: say what you mean, mean what you say.

Karolenna: I, for one, was totally unaware of the weighted delegate allocation system until this election. One of the things that amuses me is that it was Rev Jackson's showing in the 1988 primaries that led to the change... and I was among those who voted for him. Unintended consequences.

Forgive my ignorance but who/what is a Fundie?

If you are not happy with the results lower your expectations.

“I call my bud Marjorie toots”

Funny! My late husband, who was an ex (the only one), called me toots. That was not why we divorced. I have a habit of calling people names, but it is only if I like you. If I don’t like you, I don’t bother to make up a name for you. My little granddaughter, who will be five months old tomorrow, is called “Precious” and she is that. She got SO much attention while we were on vacation. People said they have never seen such a beautiful, good and sweet baby. She gives everyone that big smile.

BTW, Former pro football player and dog lover, Michael Vick has filed for bankruptcy.

RE: Burrito's innapropriate laghter thought...

How about Chuckles the Clown's last moments as Peter Peanut?

Ha -- Jamie -- you beat me to it! God that was a funny episode.

Sorry jeejee, after tastless I should have added (pun intended)

I watched the whole you tube clip...it's still funny

“Sen McCain is an old flyboy...I know enough of them to know that his attitude toward women is likely not all that respectful.”

Hey, you can say that again. I can’t wait for Obama to incite him in a debate and allow him to show his true temper. Not someone I’d like to have a finger on the old nuke button.

[Case in point: At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt."]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html

My 80+ year old mother (staunch republican) is voting McCain, but even she says he's "just way too old."

Karo -- You must stop lumping us in with your relatives. I think they've brainwashed you into thinking that every person who doesn't like Obama is racist. That idea in itself is the most racist of all.

do they release the medications these candidates are on?

Alice,

In case you haven't noticed: You're Dead

"Patsi just happened to concisely voice what I've heard over and over again from SOME Hillary supporters and thought it fit MANY Hillary supporters."

dog -- I honestly didn't take particular offense at the comment because I know we differ a great deal on the fighter v. compromiser issue.

PS, dog -- I also think you are right that the fighter question is very much at the root of the Hillary supporters.

"let's get over the slights and hurt feelings, please, and get on with planning a new and improved America with Platformate."

Karl Rove, January, 2000

Jamie BTW, thanks I appreciate it.

Patsi, I was saying what I meant. When was the last time you had that happen? I an sincere in the thought too.

This not a battle ground. Mistakes get made that are not intended to hurt and when they do, a sincere appoligy is the best medicine don't you agree?

CIO. Time for the Market.

Karolenna: While I do not like the language used in this episode (personally I would burst into tears), I have a feeling (based on personal experience with other couples) that this is a game these two play.

As I have said before, I really do not want to be put in the position of defending Sen McCain or beating the drums for him. My decision to vote for him is entirely personal and -- to a large extent -- generational. I do think that Sen Obama is likely going to win quite handily and he will certainly win my state.

I will just say here that, were I to make a list, I disagree with both candidates almost equally. And so long as Congress remembers that they are not an extension of the Executive, I don't feel that either person would be a disaster.

This fighter vs compromiser idea has some validity. I would love a statement from Sen. Obama about what he thinks Congress should do about Karl Rove.

If and when he becomes President, Obama is going to have to wield "Presidential privilege" as well as dealing with Congress. So it does seem like a good question to ask.

" I am on all their lists and I respond to every solicitation with a letter about my concerns. "

Same here maggs....

Oh this is too, too funny ... Mean but very funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo

"I have to ask you why you're not equally offended about a McCain supporter referring to Hillary as "that bitch" and it become a big belly laugh for all who were at that event? "

Who said that didn't offend us?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112183

Maggi, judging from your previous comment re the death penalty, etc., I'd vote for you too.

Maggisd,

Clearly Obama made two serious lipstakes.

My policy:
1. If it happens to your body, it is your business within the law regulating medical practice.
2. End judicial murder.
3. Leave Iraq.
4. A Manhattan Project style commitment to lowering carbon emissions by 50% in 12 years, and eliminating dependence on rock oil and coal. E85, bio-diesel, and plugin hybrids, real mass transit, solar panel and planted roofing, and making suburban developments pay for the extension of roads, electrical grids, and sewer and water BEFORE those suburban developments are built. Suburban sprawl is the greatest consumer of energy in the US.
5. Dismantle the caste system that the returdlicans have set up: must include treating the transfer of wealth from the dead to the living being as ordinary income, and re-establish a lower tax rate for labor income as opposed to investment income.
6. Corporate: Strengthen Investors' rights. Pay, benefits, and bonuses to top 5 executives must be paid in the US. OSHA must vigorously investigate and prosecute violations in mining, meatpacking, and field work. The INS must vigorously investigate and prosecute corporations which have recruited and smuggled aliens into the US to work (see 11 and 12 below)..
7. Indict, try, convict, and sentence the war criminals, and perjurers in the bush crime family. Same for those who made money through inside information. Same for the folks who engineeered the theft of the 2000 election in FL, and the theft of ballots in OH in the 2004 election. Sentence to life w/o parole, preferably daily waterboarding, HAHAHA.
8. Impeach and remove Clarence Thomas or Antonin Scalia - I can't remember which - for voting on an issue in which his son had an interest.
9. Re-introduction of the fairness doctrine. Freedom of speech is trumped by the public ownership of all frequencies, and the public good.
10. Marriage is the social union of two willing adults.
11. Vigorous prosecution of the Mann Act of 1910. 25 years w/o parole for internal traffickers of adults, life w/o parole for external traffickers, and traffickers of minors. Transporting people across state lines to prostitute them in front of cameras shall be covered by the Mann Act.
12. Abolition of slavery.

Our risky food system is a legacy of the Bush policy of regulatory benign neglect.

A coalition of consumer groups is calling for emergency legislation to force the FDA to implement it's own food safety plan.

If you think you have food poisoning, this is good advice from Consumer Reports.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/safety/2008/07/foodborne-illne.html

You have got to be kidding.
I'm a libertarian?
I've been a Democrat my whole life.
I'm going to refrain from calling you names, but leave me alone.

And with regard to the discussion of fried foods earlier today—you guys are amateurs. Ever been to the Iowa State Fair? They can fry and put ANYTHING on a stick : )

Wouldn't any psychiatric drugs be confidential ? say like antidepressants

"Mistakes get made that are not intended to hurt and when they do, a sincere appoligy is the best medicine don't you agree?"

Well, for starters, that post didn't hurt my feelings. And secondly, I would only accept medicine from a professional. Lastly, ingratiating apologies are anathema to me.

Jamie: I was not able to find much on what either candidate thinks about executive privilege but I'm going to keep looking.
I did find this interesting site that offers some information.

http://www.propublica.org/special/mccain-vs-obama

Ally, isn't that where they have the fried coke? (as in Coca-Cola), don't anybody get excited.

Ally,

After seeing the Texas State Fair first hand, I think they will beat anything Iowa can fry...they figured out how to fry ice cream here...

Fried coca cola is a Texas invention
http://www.slashfood.com/2007/08/27/texas-state-fair-food/

Frying ice cream is nothing people have been doing that for years.

I am a big fan of Iowa food especially the pork products but the Minnesota State Fair wins the "someone is going to eat that?" contest hands down.

"Ever been to the Iowa State Fair? They can fry and put ANYTHING on a stick : )"

ROFL, Ally -- been to the Kansas State Fair, and Tennessee...fry it up!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112208

Bowing with a flourish.....LOLOLOLOL

Bye Patsi, give those doodlebops a smile for me. ;0)

xrepub -- I like your ideas. How many of them do you think compromise and bipartisanship will get done?

....Sorry, dog -- I still want a street fight...:)

Jeejee...I laughed...whether I should have or not...

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112117

But did you know...

"Did you know that the term "red neck" comes from a vitamin B deficiency that causes susceptibility to sunburn? Hilariously, given that most Americans are chronically deficient in their B vitamins today (which is why people are so easily sunburned, by the way), it is technically true that most Americans are Red Necks! (Don't laugh: So are most Canadians and Europeans, also...)"

Just to add a bit of edification to the humor around here....

Bear: They figured out how to fry ice cream in Southern California. It's been a staple on the dessert menu of Mexican restaurants for ages.

Ally -- I have a perfect solution to the Blog Police. I am nominating myself as the arbiter of good taste and civility. If someone posts something bitchy, mean or underhanded, and I am not capable of returning like fire, then they've gone too far. :)

More than 450 foods are available at 300 food concessions.
Deep-fried candy bars, s’mores, macaroni & cheese, walleye and pork chops are
just a handful of the 60+ foods on-a-stick available throughout the fairgrounds. Minnesota State Fair
http://www.mnstatefair.org/2008_pdf/AboutTheMNStateFair.pdf

A friend bought a concession trailor and it's been fun looking for the trends in food. They are selling Italian beef, pulled pork, and Irish stew (depending on the event) as well as ribbon fries and regular french fries.
I lobbied for garlic fries but got nowhere.

Bear

Nothing new about cooking ice cream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbwjPse2B60

Harborwoman, so if you don't take daily vitamins, you might be a redneck? Somehow, I don't think Jeff Foxworthy will be using that one.

Anyone know what the odds of Robert Dole, while campaigning for his wife's reelection, declares that the "surge is working" without getting any snickers from his audience?

Skip the state fairs. It's almost time for the garlic festival. Ice Cream anyone?

http://gilroygarlicfestival.com/

KGC: Walleye on a stick? Good grief Charlie Brown... that's going too far.
I can see that we are lightweights here in California ... although we do have batter-dipped Australian fries. I am old-fashioned ... personally I crave only the Mexican grilled corn and cheese on a stick. Oh, and cinnamon rolls for breakfast while watching the livestock contests.

Jamie: I love Gilroy. And any trip must be accompanied by a side visit to Casa de Fruta for a bottle of pomegranate wine.

"batter dipped Austrailian fries." Batter dipped fries sounds great. What makes the fries Austrailian?

Here are some good suggestions and they want additions for any that might have been missed:

Eat you way across the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_festivals_in_the_United_States

Casa de Fruta is a national treasure. Whenever anyone in the family makes the trip from Sacramento to Monterey that stop over on the Pacheco Pass crossing is absolute. Coming home we pick up the produce. Just love the hanging branches of brussel sprouts.

KGC: I haven't a clue. It's what the sign on the concession stand says. Maybe they were invented in Australia? Anyway, they're great -- especially with malt vinegar.

1. Patsi,

I think the policies I support would get little if any support from the ripuplicans. I hope the Dems don't need any regustlican help.

2. As Chief Exec, Obama should suspend both bush's pardons, and the proposed 'executive right' to avoid testifying under oath in congressional hearings.

3. Is calling Alice Longworth 'dead' an insult?

Jamie: I love that whole area. We used to park our travel trailer at San Juan Bautista and just head out from there. However, it was my daughter who discovered pomegranate wine when she went up to Watsonville to picket the strawberry fields.
Another area I really love is San Luis Obispo / Morro Bay / Cambria ... I am just weeping over the fires that seem to be demolishing the whole of Central California.

Craig.... are you having fun reading this blog yet?.....

and don't no one go saying anything bad about fried ice cream..... I LOVE the stuff!

Bear.... you and I enjoy the same Monty Python scenes.... how weird is that.... lol....

jeejee...... ROTFLMAO!

oh yeah..... I forgot to put my above question to Craig in flaming tildes..... so here they are...... ~~~~~~~~~~ :0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

xrepublican

Alice Roosevelt Longworth daughter of Teddy Roosevelt. Long doyen of DC political scene and ardent Republican. Her most famous quote, "If you can't say anything nice, come sit beside me."

Most famous quote of her father about her, "I can control Alice or I can be President. I cannot do both at the same time".

Not an insult. She is very definitely still dead.

I hope those Aussie fries aren't anything like home fries. It's really best to avoid anything round shaped & battered altogether, you never know it might also be brussels sprouts(nasty little critters, those are).

Well, I'm gone for today. Good night everyone.

xrepublican: What do you mean by suspend both bush's pardons and ...
A pardon once given can't be undone.

Jamie: Let's not forget that it was Alice who famously said that FDR was 10% mush and 90% Eleanor and who compared Thomas Dewey to the little man on top of the wedding cake. OMG...I wish I had known her.

I had to go pick a kid up from tennis but I am still doubting that anything beats the Iowa State Fair for fried stick food! I stand by my claim! As soon as the Food Directory for 2008 comes out, I will post (and send a copy to the DNC...just so they know what they will be missing!)

Maggie

Here's Morro Bay for you. There is a great restaurant there with all windows looking out towards the rock

http://images.travelpod.com/users/brinvincible/states-2007.1191073980.morro-bay.jpg

I have friends who retired in Cambria (when you could still afford a home there). They are always bragging by wearing their "My Otter Place Is In Cambria" T-Shirts with the pictures of the adorable otters.

Ally: How much you want to wager that the Democratic delegates from the south and midwest stage a walkout over the food?
Not to mention those from the Southwest ... what, no tacos, no carnitas, no chile rellenos ... who designed this menu, anyway?

True story:

When my grandmother got off the boat from Ireland a little over a century ago, she landed a job as an upstairs maid for Alice Roosevelt at her home in New York City. Standard entry path for an Irish immigrant.

We still have the wedding invite Alice sent to all the servants when she married Mr. Longworth. It actually said "Be sure to bring gifts."

The rich are indeed very different...

The entire idea that you can point guns at 3 groups who hate each other passionately, to force them to WANT to live together is preposterous.

The only sensible thing rumdumb (a real insult) said as Defense Sec'y was that we couldn't win, because it was up to the Iraqis.

I sit in McDonald's every morning over coffee and hear a bunch of superannuated old leaches gripe about how we aren't killing enough Arabs (or alternatively, Muslims) in Iraq. "Kill 'em all!" they agree. These bloodthirsty ghouls subscribe to a theory that America has a right, given by the gods, to Iraq's oil.

I hate their gods: Mammon, Thanatos, & Moloch. The finest generation? bushpoop.

Lardo There you are. Where have you been?

Did you get my most recent contribution to the G Rated sex blog?

Jamie: I wonder if it's the same restaurant I'm thinking of? They served a great clam chowder there -- well they called it a chowder, but it was more of a bisque.
On my hearth I have a wine decanter filled with jade and moonstones that we picked up at Cambria on the weekend before my daughter was born. She was late, I was bored, so we drove up to Cambria to go rock hunting on the beach. Have gone many times before and since but that trip remains my favorite.

dog's eye: No boxed gifts? That one hasn't reached my circle yet ... we're still in the Bridal Registry phase.

Maggisd,

Who says a pardon cannot be revoked? The revocation would be an executive privilege just like any other.

The entire system of executive privilege is tradition rather than statute, and is interpreted differently by each passing administration. The bushcheneymccain view is essentially that propounded by john ehrlichman before the Senate Watergate Panel: anything a president does is legal. I say, stay with that interpretation for a couple of years, until the retractlican party changes it's minds about executive privilege, and writes that change of mind in stone. Perhaps then, we can unanimously return to constitutional government.

Jamie...I've really been dropping the ball lately, I know. I was away for a few days out of town, and am giving up on creating "guest posters" who can directly access Lardo's Retreat at will.

So I'm just going to set up an e-mail account for you and Sturge and the others to send me more sex stories as they...ahem...arise.

I'll give you the details here when I have them.

xrepublican: The pardon privilege is part of the Constitution. A pardon, once given, cannot be revoked.

Jamie....
I spent one of the best week's of my life in Cambria....

A girlfriend and I drove across the trans-Canadian highway from Montreal to Vancouver...... then down the coast to her aunt's and uncle's place in Oakland...
at the age of 19 in a Volkswagon Beetle and sleeping wherever in a pup tent....

her A & U had a summer home in Cambria and took us there for a whole week....
it was beautiful!..... and sleeping in a bed in one spot.... with a hot shower in the morning.... was priceless...

xrepublican: Apparently the first President to claim executive privilege was G Washington; while the first in modern times was Harry Truman.
This is not exhaustive, but interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege

Lardo

Just for your pleasure a little story about stroking.

http://jamiesplace.wordpress.com/

Cambria...I have a friend there, an old timer who is a Navy vet and has so many stories about his world-travels...I was going to fly out there for a visit this summer until airfares went up so quickly , and so high.

RR

Any trip that involves driving Highway one is perfection.
There is a reason that it shows up in so many commercials. : )

As least the prick is a good dresser...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/07/08/cheney_wanted_cuts_in_climate_testimony/

You people stop it! Between jeejee's " so if you don't take daily vitamins, you might be a redneck"

and Bear's "surge"

I'm laughing too loud. My cats think I'm nutz.

Time to go drag in the trash cans and other household chores...

"We still have the wedding invite Alice sent to all the servants when she married Mr. Longworth. It actually said "Be sure to bring gifts."

The rich are indeed very different..."

OMG! Lard that's great!

Two words: Lardo pizza.

No, it's not an insult. It's fresh slices of house-cured lardo (okay, yes, it's basically slices of pig fat infused with herbs) on top of a wood-fired pizza. Toss on a few tomatoes and you'll never look at another piece of mushroom and pepperoni quite the same way again. And it's just one of the devilish pizzas at Dino Bugica's nehttp://biteclub.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2220202&mode=w pizzeria, Diavola.

It's a bit of destiny for the Santi chef who's made his name as a top salumist in the North Bay. Bugica has a passion for pig -- house-curing everything from prosciutto and salumi to his own sausage and lardo right on the property. If you stroll through the back gardens, you might even trip over a pig skull or two, an homage to his porcine pals.

Patsi

I don't even get an honorable mention for "stroking"? lol

Here's a McCain statement , made today...

"Many Americans, with good cause, did not believe us when we said we would secure our borders, and so we failed in our efforts," McCain told the national convention.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/07/08/us-votes-hispanics.html?ref=rss

Can anyone tell me what he means by this???

" I find the inability to accept reality and move on to be very sad."

ROFL.

"So I'm just going to set up an e-mail account for you and Sturge and the others to send me more sex stories as they...ahem...arise."

Yeah, Lard...what happened to sturge's story?

" girlfriend and I drove across the trans-Canadian highway from Montreal to Vancouver...... then down the coast to her aunt's and uncle's place in Oakland...
at the age of 19 in a Volkswagon Beetle and sleeping wherever in a pup tent...."

Renee! God I wish I'd been along on that trip!

I almost have my story complete......I'm working on the part about the hurried and vexatious exit of the two john wayne impersonators' exit from the very small apartment of the 2 Laverne-and-shirley type massachusetts textile workers..........

UB

Up above I posted a video from a debate with McCain interspersed with Miss SC. Both of them seem to lose their way in the middle of a thought.

"I don't even get an honorable mention for "stroking"? lol"

You get more than an honorable mention! ha!

I could tell you the one about Tiny, a 300 pound ex-marine with a buzz-cut who owned the little bar in Oxford mass who threw me out with the line....."Aparicio dont play with the yankees!!"

but it has nothing to do with sex.

Did they use the window and fire escape?

dear me......I fear I used the term "exit" twice........I shall now do penance.......

jamie.....no.....it was a 3rd floor walk-up.......

This way to the egress

some masters of their craft whom I adore........uh......think highly of.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLn6v0V3QUw

rats......

mega cold poor again.....it should have been "of whom I highly think."

I know this is a corny song.......but it's miles.......miles to go before i nod...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FAKRpUCYY

oh.....and john, too........dont forget john.......not that HE ever played with mussolini's son...........

Sturgeone

They used a start up rif that was the same as this Shirley Temple / Bojangles tap dance (sorry it's colorized) from The Littlest Rebel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-66PJNQYkg&feature=related

He was such an incredible dancer. I like the staircase routine even more fromt he same movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjCFYpWDmfM

Jamie....
yes.... we drove the coastal highway..... when we left Cambria, we went down the rest of the way to San Diego and then back through the middle of the country to get home to Massachusetts....

Patsi.....
it would have been fun to have you along.....

I was just thinking how the young of today probably couldn't afford that type of trip because of gas prices..... plus, they wouldn't want to go without being plugged into some kind of electronics for that long.....
we were on the road for about 5 weeks without seeing any tv..... when we got to Cambria, we asked to put the tv on one night..... it happened to be the very day that Nixon resigned...... I remember thinking "what the f**k happened there?!!.....

Nick and maggisd,

Yup, Article I gives the exec the right to pardon. I have found no Article, Amendment, or Statute limiting the right to pardon. Only tradition supports your interpretation of a limitation on the executive pardon.
Normally, regustlicans admit of no power beyond the grasp of the President. It can cause a churn in the guts of guys like Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. Now, I admit that tradition is a very strong argument. However, there is nothing written that I know of to guide the SCOTUS in making a decision on the matter.

Anyway, it can be interpreted that the power to bestow implies the power to retract. After all, this is an executive power, not a power of a now defunct presidency or of that scofflaw formerly pardoned in a bygone day by said defunct presidency. And, that is the way I would have MY Soliciter General argue it in the SCOTUS: the defunct presidency no longer has the power of pardon, only a sitting president does, and a sitting president can rescind a pardon, as the power of bestowal implies the power of retraction. In the meantime, while the SCOTUS is chewing on that bit of reasoning, I might push all the formerly pardoned scofflaws into Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, or into one of the Moldovan or Syrian torture chambers.

Waterboarding anyone?

RR

Typical California story about a state full of "drivers"

I opened the door one Saturday to see our best friends from college on the doorstep. "We were out for a drive and thought we would stop by."

They only had to drive 400 miles to do it. : -)

Glad to see the bickering persists without my participation if only to confirm that I am not the source of the animosity.

jamie......i know you saw peg leg bates, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H62Xsxziiw

them dancer types will stoop to anything.....I saw this npr show oncet where the two songwriters were on and told about how they had to once write one song a day for 30 days.......
the announcer says.....wow.....30 songs in 30 days....that must have took a lot out of you......one of the songwriters began to answer and the other interjected...." It took a lot more out of mozart, brahms and beethovan, I'll tell ya........."

yes....i saw it on the radio......

Sorry, Nick, Article II.

And, the 'Executive Privilege' that I mentioned had to do with removing the privileges of those bushcheneymccain thugs, kleptomaniacs, and war criminals who keep bleating that they have this alleged executive privilege to evade questioning by Congress. Sorry if I did not make myself clear.Tricky language, English.

I was a radio kid for 6 yrs before television existed........

How about Coltrane, Getz, and Peterson together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCdeJwGs818&feature=related

by that I mean 1954.......the yr i was 6 and television began to exist........in our house........

I think back and i figger that the only reason we wound up with a tv and then a brand new 55 olds was because the old man got his leg blowed off in a navy yard accident.........

it was powder blue.

STurgeone

Were you aware that Ed Sullivan paid for Bojangles funeral? His show gave so many black entertainers early television exposure that they couldn't get any other way.

We got our first TV in 1949. Can you believe the round screen with the magnifying screen over it. It pays to have an uncle who never saw an electronic gadget he didn't want.

jamie ......how old were you in 49?

I know that ed could be a right bastard, but to very many he was some kind of angel..........must be the irish in 'im.........

I was five. We got the TV just before moving to the new house. Big events still stick in memory.

Here's a clip of lots of the great black tap dancers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1S0UrWPgs&feature=related

how many commodius vicuses does it take to change a light bulb?

that's kinda funny cause i was five or six when we got the tv and you were five or six when you got the tv but it was 5 years earlier that you got it........what the hell was on it in 49? I know in 54 we only had one channel cbs and it was off for hours in the daytime........

Miles Davis & John Coltrane- SO WHAT

Excellent choice, sturge....

We got our tv in the Spring of '50. Zenith in mahogany. It cost as much as the Studie Dad drove. There wasn't much on tv. The Twin Cities had 2 part-time channels.

It was something like a huge radio with a small round screen that displayed shades of fuzzy grey. The Stu Irwin (sp?) Show. Beulah. A 15 minute country music filler filmed in Nashville. Super Circus. Victory at Sea came later. I remember seeing Syracuse dominate football behind an incredible runner named Jim Brown.

Gotta go feed my better Sweetie. Please, play nice while I'm gone.

"when we got to Cambria, we asked to put the tv on one night..... it happened to be the very day that Nixon resigned...... I remember thinking "what the f**k happened there?!!..... "

Wow....what a thing to see after being away from the news!

Okay, Jamie, Sturge and anyone else...from now on, just send your G-rated sex stories directly to this e-mail address:

lardosretreat@gmail.com

I'll gussy them up with photos, headlines and post them at my leisure.

Posted by: LardassLiberal

What's been happening around here......

Hmmm...

Wanna hear a dirty story?

.... you know this one ....

Johnny fell in the mud!

Wanna hear a clean one?

... tah dah ...

Johnny took a shower!

"Glad to see the bickering persists without my participation if only to confirm that I am not the source of the animosity."

Not at all champ.

By the way sturge....what do you think of the country musicians' Viagra commercial? What an embarrassment!

this was going to be my second choice but I got distracteroid.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMieGDDueaI

white tap dancers......well......there's no one who could out tap fred asparagus..........

xrepub pretty well described it. It was so new people came over to watch the test pattern.

In just the year between 49 and 50 the programming increased dramatically on both network and local (Los Angeles had Channel 5). There were children's shows starting at four. Evening news at six and then network programming at 7 when small children got sent to their rooms.

Space Patrol

http://www.tv.com/space-patrol/show/15847/summary.html

Webster Webfoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EO2IyD-vAM&feature=related

Which reminds me. I've got a great story about Webster Webfoot and jealous husbands with guns.

sturgeone: According to what I was listening to on NPR recently, Dolly Parton is huge in Nairobi and Kenya. No joke - they're mad for her. Kinda interesting.

Lardass,

I'd contribute a story but there is no way I could possible do it justice by keeping it rated G...

cagney.......ebsen........asparagus.........hope.........asparagus' sister.......o'connor.........who's that kelly dude?......wait......i know there's 4 other ones........

Sammy Davis Jr. did a great imitation of Fred Asparagus, and they both danced right up to the end.

Shirley Temple, Ginger Rodgers, and Ann Miller for the distaff side

yes.....some of us will dance right up to the end.....nietzsche thought philosophy was "to dance"......

A song by my friend Dick Feller:

"Has Anybody Here.....Seen My Old Friend Alcybiades"

Ann Miller was a total jewel. Just a sweet down home Texas girl who made good. She was the best friend of an employer of mine and when she blew in the door, the hinges almost came off. The lady knew how to make an entrance. : )

Of course......I always like to point out that the same mind which came up with "Abraham, Martin, and Alcybiades" also came up with "Snoopy and the Red Baron"..........music bizz is craid-zey.........

Pertaining to the discussions on the inception and early adoption of television in the U.S.:

To those who would remember, as it was before my time; when did television go from a novel, sparsely populated medium to the chief brain-washing device it is today? Was it the Kennedy assassination and the coverage of it? Sullivan and the Beatles? It would be a great blow to my esteem of the greatest musical group of the last 60 years to realize they were instrumental in the dumbing-down of our society. White Album still rules, regardless.

A great number of the older generation in my family, and I've noticed the phenomenon in plenty of other families, are glued to the TV. Every conversation revolves around some program that has been watched, or some funny advert, or whatever. TV upon waking up, TV after arriving home, TV during dinner, after dinner, before bed. It's pretty nauseating. One thing is for sure, at least in my family- the older folks love them some TV.

Just a thought, and I realize not a very eloquent explanation of it. I would genuinely be interested in the input and insight of those who witnessed said development.

Sturge -- I think Dick Feller is also an old friend of Lacy J Dalton....can't remember. But he's hysterical. (Don't know him really, but have heard him a few places.)

c'mon.......ladies and germans, boys and girls.....shed yer skins and show yerselves to da woild.......come clean widjer postings and say, as americans, whaddya feel.......

how dis grunge act gonna go, huh?

sommer gonna.....I donna f'gotta ma papoose........

I gotta go make some soup..........

And a brief continuation of that observation, something I read from some anonymous poster on some random blog, and I'm paraphrasing:

"The real God in this country isn't Jesus, Allah, or Yahweh. Only one God has an alter built to it in almost every home in America, at which families worship and pray together every night- Television."

the original quote was much more elegant, btw. sorry.

Never got the fame he deserved in movies but big on Broadway: Bobby Van

The "hopping" dance is remarkable for its length and athleticism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUK28bQflpE

Patsi.....i hafta say if you heard dick feller play and sing......you know him......maybe you didnt meet him but if you had it would have been just like it was if you were sittiing and listening to him to his new orleans jonga joe jibe........one song and he nailed 'em......that;s a mighty lick.......

there may be an inside story, but it chaps my conchettas that dion does not credit dick feller.........

KGC

That pizza with pork fat, now if I could get that deep fried. I 'ld have died and gone to hillbilly heaven.
Fatback pizza yum yum.
lol
Jack

Sturge....speaking of Lacy....I gotta reference this, dedicated to anyone who ever took a creative risk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbmrqfQDco

Champ,

The Kennedy assassination coverage was truly unusual, but while people watched it intensely for three days, they went back to normal viewing afterwards.

Now when I was in my early 20s people still ate dinner without the TV on and children went out to play after school.. Now the elederly were starting to watch TV in their living rooms while dining on TV trays. My grandmother watched a great deal and that was '69.

I don't think it became the total, 24 hour a day obsession until the advent of CNN and that was 1980. So I guess you would have to say the change happened somewhere between 1970 and 1980.

Jolene

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bEbh0SWandU

ogle moils for obama:

www.bluescrab.blogspot.com

That oil mogul owns an awful lot of windy texas land.

He made his money taking stuff out of the earth and intends to earn more from stuff blowing across it.

Which is just fine if it gets the U.S. to give up most of its oil usage.

i just made myself laugh..........

Nick; 3:27 pm.... Thanks Nick, I thought it was funny too.

Chef Sheila; 3:01 pm..... I'm extremely sorry if I offended anyone, here is the moral of the story..... It was meant to be just a joke, like a polish joke or a blonde joke but the middle eastern gentleman took the license plate number of the vehicle and reported a hate crime, the driver was charged and had to go to court where he lost, had to pay a substantial fine and apologise publicly.

It just means to me that there is no humour anymore, things have to be so politically correct. It also seems to me that things, like people not being able to laugh at themselves are the reasons behind a lot of the racism that occurs, it starts as a joke and because of the system it becomes something altogether different - Karolenna is a perfect example of someone who screeches racism at the drop of a hat, or rug, or whatever.

In any case I'm sorry if I offended you.

Patsi; 2:10 pm....Silly me, I don't know what ROFL means???

sometimes it's all i can do to keep from laughing.........

We got a tv in 1952. I remember the coronation of the Queen and the swearing in of Eisenhower as television events. We watched the Disney Show and not much else for many years.

)

rofl= roll on the floor laughing

roflmao=roll on the floor laughing my ass off

roflmaopmp= roll on the floor laughing my ass off, pissing my pants

Jack

pp

Rolling On Floor Laughing

ROFLMAO

My ass off added to the above.

Jolene! What a great song! And a fabulous intro -- thanks, Jerry!

"...but the middle eastern gentleman took the license plate number of the vehicle and reported a hate crime, the driver was charged and had to go to court where he lost, had to pay a substantial fine and apologise publicly."

Posted by: politicallypissed | July 8, 2008 8:43 PM

-even funnier than the original joke. So much for the 1st amendment.

Rita/PP -- RE: the 2:10 post....I was just saying I loved your comment!

Porter Wagoner & Dolly Parton - Daddy Was An Old Time Preach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDgispWqGSA

rofiv.........rolling on the floor in vomit
rofac........rolling on the floor and crazy
rofatdikma.......rolling on the floor and the dog is kicking my ass

rotfattptginags.....rolling on the floor and trying to prove that granpa is not a softie......

LOL@ sturge

woops......extraneous g.......would someone awooga headquarters for me please?

Wind power is being considered for Lake Erie....It certainly would help revive this old industrial town.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/greenpeace_gets.php

Rita,

Really you didn't offend me. I appreciate your sincerity though. I actually chuckled....no gaffaed!

Maggs had asked me what I thought about the joke, if it was racist. I just evaluated it for education's sake.

I even looked up the proper "Ism" up to make sure I wasn't talking out me !@#$ ;0)

So you didn't offend me, it was a good lesson between me and maggisd.

because even though I am not offended, there are those that would not say so, but could be hurt. ;0)

Thanks for being so nice!

Sturge -- Here's Lacy and DAC...I was at this session and when DAC asked me if I thought Lacy was "keeping up" I said, "Hell, she's singing rings around your ass."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7pE41MZ424&feature=related

at one point before I met dac he used to sit the next table at Dixe Diner for breakfast each morgan.................down on west end by the frontier........he'd pull up in the back of his caddy limo with the 3 chicks in the leopard skin suits all in the front seat.........ie driving........

For all my high-mindedness, I am not immune to desire. Mmmmmmm:

http://autos.yahoo.com/auto-shows/new_york_auto_show_2008_slideshow/2008_new_york_auto_show_gallery/dodge_challenger

Nick.....I have always trusted the newspapers of our great land..........I see no reason to deflect my former leanings........thank you for asking.

On orders from Senator John McCain's security detail, Denver police escorted a 61-year-old woman away who was waiting in line to attend a so-called town hall meeting with McCain that was billed as open to the public.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lyaMrS0hzk

Oil moguls for Obama?

http://www.pickensplan.com/

Wasn't it T Boone Pickens the guy that offered the one million dollar challenge if anyone could prove anything in the ads the Swiftboaters for Truth ads were bogus? Then he started to waffle when Kerry brought up a bunch of truthful stuff? Thought so. He has been building that wind farm for several years now. You see the 18 wheelers occasionally loaded down with the props from the big mutha windmills.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

as a rough beast......I'm quite used to slouching towards this or that.......it's not a big problem......

Re:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lyaMrS0hzk

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | July 8, 2008 9:10 PM

Welcome to the United Police States of America

population: you (& me)

my cat could use some slouch lessons.......and my daughter's yorkie-poo needs a nice dose of euthanasia........ha ha .........i'm just kidding.........valium oughta do it..........do dogs eat valium?

"........he'd pull up in the back of his caddy limo with the 3 chicks in the leopard skin suits all in the front seat.........ie driving........"

Ha! That would be him....

I was trying to remember the lesson of simon de montfort and i forgot that I would have to link into the goddam history of wales.......and that sperled the whole damned thiing.......

Senor Pescado,

I am curious as to the regional dialect you sometime drift into. Is it a version of Gullah? Isn't it spoken near where you live?

thanks,

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

And this is for you, Jack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sDTTRjncY

sainyore caballo.......it's a kind of joycean southern northern texan english spanglish frenchish germanic latinistical greekish geekish hebrew with a little key west thrown in.

Sturge...
Chek-chek. Chop-chop. Granthomelew y Diego Joyce watching every move we make...abides y farewell por este noche, amigo.

Good ol' Simon came up with Parliamentary Democracy.

Sturgeone,

Lol

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"wheelers occasionally loaded down with the props from the big mutha windmills."

Doots -- I'm interested in what you think of the "Pickens Plan"...he's got quite a history....

Okay,xrep - you did it. You made a list of goals/policy
that is perfect. I might be able to add one or two, but would change only one!

Replace theconjunction "or" between Thomas and Scalia with the conjunction "and". Get rid of 'em both.

Sheila - I'm having some trouble with my typekey entry as well. This is the second time and I may just re-register. It's annoying that you can't call, but have to wait till they email you back.

Also, I think I did read some "racist" charges from someone here, but not sure.In the MSM, the charge was slung around with impunity. I suspect it wasn't believed by many except some of Obama's supporters, which would make sense. (No insult intended-just an
opinion.)

I also suspect that the supporters of each candidate feel differently about the two and that's what we react kinda differently to perceived insults. I think Obama's supporters believed so strongly in him as a man and in
his personality and message that they really identify with him. He said what they've been thinking, so any criticism or insult of Obama insults the hopes and beliefs of his supporters. Insult him and you insul his fans.

I think we Hillary supporters didn't really hope or dream, but we felt we knew, not hoped, what she would do. It isn't her personality - I only came to admire her during the campaign for her energy and stgrength. Still I wouldn't vote for her on that. I voted for her for what I know she is, not what I hope she will be.
Past performance showing future performance, and all that. Most of the criticisms of Hillary seemed to be aimed directly as her fans - i.e. grey-haired old hags and racists.

I know that's a lot of generalization, but I think there is something to it. Look at the things said about Obama:
empty suit, fraud, inexperienced etc. Those were about him and his fans felt it personally. I didn't care what they
called Hillary - I don't feel like defending her. I just wanted her in the White House.

Anyway, I think these were causes of some of the extra hard feelings Once again, just my opinion. I know there are exceptions and additions - go right ahead.

KGC- yes the heat is terrible. My little a/c is trying but in my lr it is now 88. Of course it beats 99 outside. Also air quality is dangerous for people with sensitivities - like me with asthma.

My next complaint is you guys have picked today to go on and on and on about FOOD.

If you wonder why those last two subjects are problematic for me, let me simply say that I have embarked on the long journey of preparation for one of medicines most horrible procedures. the excessive heat and talk of food add to my misery. I'm sure that's
TMI, and I wasn't going to mention it, but then thought, what hte hell, why should I be the only sufferer.Sorry.

Heat warning in effect tii Friday 11am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Night night all. Have a good evening.

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THANK GOD!! He's a total asshole to talk too .. very insulting of ones Intelligence ..

Kentuckians are sick & tired of "Mitch" .. there's several web sites out there"Ditch Mitch" for one, who are getting all the fact out about him that they can find to convince KY people to vote him out!

Jeejee

I think this one is for you if your around.

Patsi thanks for the Lacy J Dalton,

I went damn, I completely forgot about her and I used to love to listen to her.

Lacy J. Dalton- Hillbilly Girl With The Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Oz9LGD2b4

Jack

With work and yard work I don't have time to contribute here right now and only a little time to read but want to say.....

it is still PUMA baby.

Carol

Patsi or this one

Willie Nelson Live at Billy Bob's Texas - "Whiskey River"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WYHJNYX7k

I like the thought Nick, but neither of those two actions will result in squat. Senators are not beholden to their constituents, they are beholden to their corporate paymasters and the party elite.

I'm sure senatorial offices have a big laugh when hanging up the phone after receiving a compliant from a constituent. They probably think to themselves, "do these people even realize how this country works?"

After listening to Obama the last few weeks, I sincerely believe he gives a damn what his supporters think, as he realizes they can easily be told what to think. He will make on hell of a Master Manipulator in Chief.

but jes, senor caballo.....if i lapse into some dialect it is usuallly gullah........unless it's clearly tex mex.......or germanic....or polka bands......or OH fahcryin' out loud.......im losing my bearings........!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112010

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LOL ...

Nice to meet you, Rita ...
agree whole heartily!!

!:^ )

Hi Patsi,

Pickens is a republican oil man but he is pretty smart and surrounds himself with smarter people. I don't doubt that he will make a ton of money. I read somewhere that Texas leads the US in numbers wrt wind power. That is hard to believe with all the windmills that live in the Riverside, Ca., part of the desert. If the wind power will help us get off the oil diet then I am a supporter. I have heard that here in Ft Worth wind mills are illegal and residents are not allow to have them on their property. Said to be because of the noise they are supposed to make. I don't know.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112030

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This story coming out NOW in the msm, has been known on line for years ... THAT'S why they won't puill out .. those CONDITIONS have always been for US OIL to get no bid contract for the oil in Iraq .. that's the only reason we ever went in & now are staying ..

Why would wind help us get off oil? The grid is powered mostly by coal and nuclear, not oil.

We are not in Iraq for oil, viv, we are there to babysit and bully muslims.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/obamas-summer-landslide.html#comment-112410

if ya really believe that .. feel for ya ... lol

champ I thought you were taking a vacation. But to answer your question I was speaking in generalities and about alternative energy power.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

There are people that live near here that do use wind power to create electricity. If I remember, they store to batteries and run the house from that. I think an alternator from a car will convert the power to AC current. I have read that if you make more power than you use, you can sell it to the local energy companies. That is all hearsay but I have read that.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"Why would wind help us get off oil? The grid is powered mostly by coal and nuclear, not oil"

Champ, great minds, that is what I said this morning as I watched Pickens on Good morning America.
I alos turned to my wife and said . I think he is angling for more tax breaks for his wind farms.. Pickens was claiming the wind power would freeup natural gas and we could use it to power opur cars.
We could do that now with or without wind power.

Jack

Okay, I know that some of the O-team hate the word "feminist" -- but here's a great story. This artist, David Lynn Jones (surely one of country's hotties) wrote a song as a tribute to his truck driving sister. When they made this video, the first woman they brought in to play the role of his sister was a mega model. David took one look at her and said, "You've got to be effing me! My sister was run ragged trying to raise her kids. Get a real person to play her."

So they did just that, and, as David said at the time: "This is a video about a feminist."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE7XKvuvMLA

The same logic would imply we went into Germany in WWII for their silverware.

It's a red herring. Middle eastern economies depend on our consumption of oil, they are happy to sell it to us without being forced to. If you think that we will just plunder Iraqi oil reserves without compensating the warlords controlling it, I personally believe you are mistaken, Once again, could be wrong.

There's no vacation in the struggle for liberty, Horse, because there's no rest for the wicked, either.

As for mitigating my own dependance on foreign oil, I bought a bicycle yesterday. It's fun, cheap, and does wonders for my sanity. Kind of dangerous, however. Oh well, so is getting out of bed.

I am all for wind power.....they are trying to get funding to put turbines in Lake Erie... it would be wonderful for the area

and by the way...these lyris just kill me:

Peter Built a truck for a man to drive
it's a mighty good living but it ain't no life
for a farmer's daughter or a drunk man's wife
Peter Built a truck for a man to drive...

" I don't doubt that he will make a ton of money."

I think you hit the nail on the head, dooty....

"they are trying to get funding to put turbines in Lake Erie... it would be wonderful for the area"

UB,

Nothing will match a spontaneously combusting Cuyahoga River.

yep - Cleveland is the butt of many jokes, the river staring on fire didn't help.....

lol

Karo -- You must stop lumping us in with your relatives. I think they've brainwashed you into thinking that every person who doesn't like Obama is racist. That idea in itself is the most racist of all.

Posted by: Patsi | July 8, 2008 4:41 PM

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Pasti, I agree with you!! One of my first "disgreement" I had when I joined here, was because I said that Kentucky wasn't racial ... I got bombarded w/otheres telling me I was wrong, even though they did not live here!!

Yes, you are going to find racism in every part of of the country, but to lump a whole State as racial .. that is insulting to ALL Kentuckians!! but, I was shouted down, so I logged off & went to bed ...

maggs, Bill ran to the left in the primaries, then returned to the center from whence he had come. Not saying anything negative about the strategy - just recognizing it for what it is. As you'll recall, the dem wing of the dem party was pretty disappointed with Bill's governing from the middle. As for me, as a moderate anyway, I had no real problem with it. He always struck me as true to liberal social policies, and he was so hamstrung with the new Republican majority and the unending pursuit of him by Ken Starr, being a centriston other issues seemed like the only way he could accomplish anything.

Posted by: pogo | July 8, 2008 2:26 PM

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I agree .. I've always wondered .. if Bill hadn't had the GOP with ken Starr's help, trying to find dirt of him & family .. think of all the MORE GOOD he could have done for this country!!

Yes, Viv -- the racism slam has been very popular this season....

"Pickens was claiming the wind power would freeup natural gas and we could use it to power our cars."

Jack

Posted by: whskyjack | July 8, 2008 10:04 PM

I look forward to cooking on a wind-powered BBQ grill and using wind-powered forklifts.

Re: Bill Clinton

The guy was molesting women in the Oval Office, for crying out loud. Not trying to impose my morality on another, but is nothing sacred? Let's not forget the old saying "Don't defecate where you eat".

He also delivered perhaps the most infamous line from a public official in my lifetime, "that would depend on what the definition of 'is' is". How could anyone who who say such a thing be trusted with anything?

All that aside, the reason a public official secretly engaging in extramarital affairs compromises national security and undermines the function of their office is because it makes them vulnerable to blackmail.

Champ
LOL

when they were doing the tease for this mornings pickens interview they only talked about wind power replacing gasoline.
I'm a sarcastic bastard before I've finished my first cuppa. OK, may after too.
But I turned to my wife and said "how well do suppose that wind mill will work on top of your car?"
The news in the morning is so effing airheaded.

Jack

I'm thinking the girl with presidential knee-pads should maybe not be best referred to as molested..........

Champ
there is a real question of who was molesting who.
My basic observation was that why put yourself through all of that for some really bad sex. If he had put her up on the desk and banged away , I'd say go for it.

But that little bit of sneaky stuff they did couldn't have been enjoyable.
Jack

Sturgeone

Just a thought, but as a road house band musician you must have seen more than your share of thongs flashed your way...........
Jack

Let's leave it at that. I am summoning all my self-discipline to avoid relating very funny, yet most likely very offensive humor.

P.S. If i make an account here, will I still have to input this aggravating squiggly code, aka "capthcha"?

McCain's ad says that Obama voted with the party 97% of the time. The source for that number was CQ.com.
Congressional Quarterly?

Champ
That is the best thing about getting the key you no longer have to decifer that code.

If you don't want to reveal your real name and address create one at yahoo or google or hotmail and give them it. they tie one identity to one email account.

Jack

Corey
I hope they weren't quoting me.

Jack

Gotcha Jack, although anonymity on the internet is an illusion. They already gotcha bagged and tagged. I really don't care anymore. My preference for a pseudonym is more out of concern from malicious trolls rather than web administrators. Thanks for answering my question, though.

Can't you two just ignore each other already, or just get married? Not trying to censor anyone, but every time you two bicker, the blog just turns devolves into melodrama, rather than a place of issue-oriented discussion.

"anonymity on the internet is an illusion"

Always has been,
the main thing for me is to not be searchable under my real name. Dislike face book for that reason.
I could be my neighbor if I thought I needed to be. There are 2 unprotected wireless networks that show up when I use the laptop..

Jack

Jack you should let those people know their networks are un-protected...they may not realize that.

"it's her obsession with me, I couldn't give a rats ass."
LOL
That's a good one

Jack

Eh, it doesn't matter who I meant. I don't want to get involved beyond a humble request for some civility. Insults hurled in the midst of an issue-oriented discussion don't bother me one iota, but random shots off the bow are counter-productive, imo. I may be mistaken that everyone is interested in productivity, however. I am also trying not to over-step my bounds and those of the host.

I think need a Sturgeone to English dictionary tonight. ROFLetc....

okay ...then I'll forget you said i.

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UB

not for sure who it is.
It must be the houses behind me on the next block.
One is strong enough to use and the other is faint.
Whgen road runner comes in and hooks people up they do nothing to help them secure their networks. I'm just lucky I at least knew alittle about what I needed. I bet you can drive down the street and find dozens of them.

Jack

Una mas cervesa , por favor

Three rednecks were driving down the road in a pickup truck alongside the river. One was driving, the others were in the back.The truck ran off the road, & all three men drowned. The driver died because he couldn't get his doors open. The men in the back died because they couldn't get the tailgate open.

Posted by: jeejee | July 8, 2008 3:40
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LMAO!!!! Yep, sounds about right .. BEcause if you can't Laugh at your own self ... that's sad .
LOVED it, JeeJee!!!

hehehe, still smiling over it ..
!:^}
viv

Viv
Kentucky was worried about the number of trafic deaths so they had hidden cameras installed.
It turns out the most common last words for a Kentucky driver were
"here look at this."

Jack

I'm thinking the girl with presidential knee-pads should maybe not be best referred to as molested..........

Posted by: sturgeone | July 8, 2008 10:55 PM

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EXACTLY!!!! and PLEASE //// but no one would keep a dress for that long, UNLESS that was HER JOB to begin with ... molested??? nawww didn't happen ... and no about of spinning is going to convince me of that ... LOL ...

Jack, hehehe

I've heard it before ... know of a few like that !:^}
but don't we all??? Doesn't our sense of humor defines us to a certain point .. I don't think you''d find anywhere, that the people didn't have jokes about their own folks ... it just amazes me some times .. that the ones who object the most of their folks to begin with ...

just MHO ...

!:^D
viv

California ... although we do have batter-dipped Australian fries. I am old-fashioned ... personally I crave only the Mexican grilled corn and cheese on a stick. Oh, and cinnamon rolls for breakfast while watching the livestock contests.

Posted by: maggisd | July 8, 2008 5:21 PM
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Hmmmm i didn't know that all this time I've done that, that it was Australian!?!?!
I just thought it was something I made up when my kids were little ... use to deepfry a lot of things to get them to eat it }:^ D hehehe ... and condiments!! can't ever forget ketchup on meat .. only way i got my daughter to eat certain meats ..

Hell, 28 years later, she still doing it & has opened her up to alot of strange conction she invents in the Kitchen ... that actually taste pretty good to me, lol

Yep, you can learn from your kids ..

!:^}

A stealth moderate Republican in the White House. Ain't life grand?

A friend bought a concession trailor and it's been fun looking for the trends in food. They are selling Italian beef, pulled pork, and Irish stew (depending on the event) as well as ribbon fries and regular french fries.
I lobbied for garlic fries but got nowhere.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | July 8, 2008 5:13 PM

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I LOVE Garlic Fries!! I put it in mine .. hell, use garlic in a lot of my meats/veggie/etc ....\
!:^}.

Thanks,dog . I'm glad someone thinks it made sense. I didn't post it to minimize anything or anyone - it's just sad to see us getting so angry with each other that such harsh words are used, and I thought that was part of the cause. It was just observation.

Oh, champ. No one was molested in the White House. She must have had a very dysfunctional upbringing to have becomewhat she was and probably still is. She uses all the tricks to get men's attention - she rolls her eyes and gets little pursed lips. She was a coquette and he didn't make her that way.

The thing of it is that some men get groupies after them and believe me, Obama is going to be attacked by a few. Some people, men and women, just want what they want when they want it.. He's another story - doubt he ever had to take anything and got used to it.

How come I can't post short comments????????

By the way, champ. It's good to get that blue key, but I've had trouble with it twice, and sheila is now, too.

The Cook Political Report shows Sen. McCain with between 219 and 240 electoral votes with 76 electoral votes "that could fall either way - so the electoral vote is closer than one might think.