Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

You have to be willing to do anything to win...now where did I hear that?? :)))))))

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Drat, KC, so close. Repost:

blue, I can't speak for the purchasing decisions of grocery chains - I was just commenting on how I thought that may have come about, and that it likely wasn't outsourcing in the pejorative sense we tend to use the word.. I'd hope some of the chains actually consider quality as well as price when they buy stuff to sell in their stores. I frankly don't know what the economics of that situation were, but I think we can reasonably assume it was competitive with offerings of Pizza made in the USA. I have to agree with you about questionning how in the world frozen pizza can be made in Italy and shipped here as economically as pizza made here, particularly considering container shipping costs these days, but the Japanese were able to do that with steel in the 70s and 80s - shipping scrap steel to Japan, making finished steel products out of it and shipping them back here and selling them more cheaply in the US than we could produce and sell those products here. I think labor costs were the primary difference with the steel industry, and have to be a big factor in the pizza industry as wel, although I never would have thought that would be the case.

"Still, with McCain doing so much of the heavy lifting in his personal remarks and television advertisements, he runs the risk of nurturing his own negative narrative as ill-tempered and angry."

True, he needs to get him a VP going and turn the VP loose. Then McCain can sound all presidential.
Craig you forgot the "obama and the Democrats don't care if you are paying high gas prices, they will make them go higher". I have heard that one several times in the last few weeks.

Jack

Craig, that certainly makes sense - but who (other than the usual skeptics) does that surprise?

IMO. .
I know Obama wants to "take" the higher ground, but he might have to get a little more dirty and nastier, less he be swiftboated out. McCain lies and they call it a gaffe. He needs to be called outside for it.

KGC

Although I was a Biden supporter for President, I don't think he would be a good VP. He runs off at the mouth too much. He would end up stepping on the message of the day. As a Presidential candidate that could be charming, but as VP the focus must always be on the presidential candidate, so he would be an unwanted distraction.

Jack

Jack,

If Obama picked Biden, they would have to do the same thing the Kerry campaign did to Edwards.

They would use him just for the convention then make sure they shut him up. You are right, Biden would be hard to reign in and keep from talking too much.

KGC

As to the Mittster?

I think McCain is going to need a young Bob Dole type. He needs help in bringing up Obama's negatives. The Mittster is just not that good a campaigner. McCain needs a pitbull and Mitt is something else.

Jack

It ain't a lot, but it's a start.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/washington/31justice.html?hp

"The House Judiciary Committee voted along party lines, 20 to 14, to cite [Karl] Rove for defying its subpoena to testify in an inquiry into improper political meddling in the department."

Craig,

Anything in the Democratic pipeline that will build the theme that McCain is a decrepit and out of touch idiot, to rich to care about the average person?

I think there are lots of problems with Biden besides the foot in mouth problems but he does have credibility on foreign policy.

As for the Mittster -- I have seen him be pretty nasty and he has the facade of knowing something about the economy that the lying press (no offense to our host) can pimp.

I'm sticking with those as the my guess for the choices.
I guess we will know soon....

KGC

My personal choice for Obama is McCaskill. That way if they win we will get her out of the senate. That is a vote many of us in Missouri wish we could take back.

Jack

RCP Average: Obama lead down to 2.4%..has been in the 4-5% range recently.

We are stuck with two weak candidates. The only hope of a Democratic victory is that McCain offends voters more than President Obama..oh excuse me, he is not elected yet.

"Anything in the Democratic pipeline that will build the theme that McCain is a decrepit and out of touch idiot"

Bear

It is every other sentence out of a Democrats mouth, I think. The other sentence usually contains "batshit crazy"

Jack

Chloe.thanks for the Dana Milbank link on previous thread.

ok I admit I want it to be the Mittster so there will lots of replays of "who let the dogs out" one of the most clueless moments in American political theater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H8Nq7BglIg

KGC

LOL

That one is a classic.

Jack

Gallup Daily: Presidential Race Tightens to 4 PointsObama leads McCain, 46% to 42%USA Election 2008 Gallup Daily Americas Northern America PRINCETON, NJ -- After moving into a nine percentage point lead over John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking of national registered voters this past weekend, Barack Obama now leads by just four points, 46% to 42%.

Senator Gordon Smith (R-OR) appears to be in panic mode. He is blanketing the airwaves with sloppy attack ads.

His opponent, House Speaker Jeff Merkley , appears headed to victory. Although there is a long time to go, Democrats are feeling really good about this race.

Also, in the 5th District where I live, Democrats look like likely winners to replace retiring Democrat Darlene Hooley.

This should have been a very close race,but the GOP Pro-life candidate has been caught in a scandal involving his paying for his girlfriend's abortion inthe past while dropping her off at the clinic and then driving away. The GOP wants him to leave the race,but it appears he thinis he still can win with his millions. He is wrong.

It is summertime. Notice they are both polling in the mid to low 40's. A big chunk of undecided and weak supporters will make up their mind in the fall. Most likely with a coin, just before they walk into the booth.

Jack

Chloe: I second Oregon Dem thanks .. enjoyed Dana's article very much ... I think alot of people are "seeing" BO that way & are not happy ...
HEY!, keep your chin up & don't let 'em get to you .. Even though I don't post much, I do enjoy reading your post ..
Patsi/Jamie/ RR & who ever else I've forgotten .. last nights talk about Witches & brooms, had me almost rolling on the floor, for alot of reasons I can't post here, lol
!:^)
viv

Rasmussen..2 pt. lead for O.

OK, My apologies UB. It was a cheap shot. I won't justify it. Sorry.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/who-raised-kaine.html#comment-122020

Renee: lol ... "snarky" mood .. wish I could think that fast .. guess I've not been on here long enough, give me some time ..

Many Americans blindly believe.. at least the GOP knows it's target....plus their candidate is so lame they have nothing to lose in doing this....McCain already has the reputation of say any damn thing, true or not....no surprise there.

They only good thing about this, is that the younger voters will see through it and through the internet dismantle charges very quickly in forums and emails.
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Champ,
You are one who said it, I don't share that thought, apologize to yourself for being cheap.

Ignore the Knotheads:

1. Knotheads are those who regularly use abuse toward other posters.

2. Don't read posts by your list of knotheads

3. When you realize you are reading a post responding to a knothead, stop reading it.

4. Don't respond or refer to knotheaqd comments which seep through this imperfect system. When info. seeps through try to bemused.

I have 4 on my knothead list..not too bad. It probably seems like there would be more because they tend to live on this blog.

Following these guidelines helps make this a much more interesting experience.

Good point. Sorry, champ.

OMG! I am cracking up while catching up....

UB posted: "Whatever, maybe you don't desire to broaden your exposure to people from different ethnic background. I don't see why that, goal of mine , make some people here so angry. "

THIS from someone who said she hoped to find the time to get to know a black person! hysterical!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop it UB -- yer killin' me!

By the way Chloe -- don't worry about posters who still live with their parents.....

I'm guessing I'm on the 'knothead' list? Did I at least make the top spot, or am I not even good at being a knothead? It will provide the impetus for some serious introspection if the latter. If you made it this far, then I'm glad you are not such a stickler for rules. Thanks.

"I know Tim Kaine personally. He is a Catholic whose concern extends to having done missionary work in Honduras.

He is absolutely no threat to a woman's right to choose, and a very progressive politician who is a bridge builder. "

Oh, yeah...we already know your positions on women, dog. ROFL!!!!!!!!

"A local election watched by abortion partisans across the land"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/200/story/45923.html

"Phil Kline and Steve Howe are fighting a contentious Republican primary race over who should be the next district attorney in Johnson County, Kan., the wealthy suburb just outside Kansas City"

This is a turning point for Kansas Republicans. If Kline wins then the religious right owns the party. This will make Kansas's mofe to the Democratic party faster.

Jack

If this just becomes an echo chamber for one political party what good is it? Not much. And that is why I encourage GORDO to keep those posts coming. The responses are so predictable.

Posted by: Bowmanc | July 30, 2008 1:53 PM

I can only speak for myself... if someone keeps posting predictable conspiracy links one can assume the responses will be just as predictable.

Beyond that, I am not interested in getting into kindergarten exchanges. I am starting to question the wisdom of even having a place to discuss politics. What's the point? We just all bark, snark and attack each other, or each other's candidates...

Champ

The martyr role illsuits you.

I'm certain your not on anybodys knothead list, no more than I am.

What's that?
Who me?

Uh, Champ never mind.

Jack

Patsi ... YES, ya nailed it on the head ...lol

All valid questions, Tom. So... what is the point? None? You haven't reached the latter conclusion yet if you still post. So what could be the point? That you consider some people friends here and were involved in a moment of bonding over music last night is obviously one. So no we're getting into matters of desire, that of human companionship, on some level, desire creates suffering: Bango!

Not for nothing.

Jack

Hmmmm...

Looks like Billy boy maybe a littled worried. He is seeing a serious jneed to mend some fences.
Koolaid hangovers are hell.

Jack

I am not nor have I ever been a knothead.

Now, a knucklehead, of course, I'll admit that.

Knuckleheads are fans of Red Knuckles and the Trailblazers a western swing band from Wyoming, Montana.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bPJPNx6k-rU

Bowmanc,

I like Gordo's posts. It gives me a feeling that there are some things in the world that folks like me can actually depend on.

The sun rises, the blog appears, and GORDO restates the forged birth certificate theorum.

Obviously, we have a clockwork universe designed by an intelligent being. Thanks be to Craig.

craig wrote "with McCain doing so much of the heavy lifting in his personal remarks and television advertisements, he runs the risk of feeding his own negative narrative as ill-tempered and angry."
and i don't see many big names out there helping j mc. are they letting him twist in the wind, fall apart, maybe pushing him out the door come the convention and substituting candidate x who nobody is prepared to fight? someone suggested that senario on this blog once before as being the almost-october gop surprise.

OK, Jack, after some introspection I will assert with confidence I wasn't conciously or subconciously attempting to assume a martyr role. Another type of self-destructive interaction, yes, to which UB alluded, decided her conclusion was valid, and offered my apology to myself in this forum mostly for humorous effect. The apology was accepted, by the way.

As to the knothead list, I'm just trying to determine the 4 ignominious members. OD has sown the seeds of doubt, of which he will reap the harvest... Chew on that, OD. I am. Quite chewy, indeed.

I hate typing 'LOL', xrep; but you deserve one:

LOL

Contempt of Congress is enforced by the Sargent at Arms.

The only way a guy like Rove is going to jail is if people start hitting the streets. I doubt it. Let's see how many here who want him to held accountable are on the D.C. streets (or on their way) and how many here are still posting in 2 hours.

...He ain't going to jail.

Champ,
I thought you would understand. (even if it did humor you)

Typos abound. That's my cue. *Poof!

I enjoy reading GORDO'S links ... In fact, I read almost all the links posted here ..

HOW else are you going to learn what is going on or what is being said??

xr - just surmising a little, but it would likely be the result of the issuance of a federal warrant issuing from the US District Court - DC Circuit or the US Magistrate in DC. Contempt of Congress is a drawn out, multi level procedure - The contempt finding in Congress does not apprear to be capable of the issuance of an arrest warrant as a result of its issuance until it is referred to a grand jury and an indictment issues there, but I can't say for sure without reading the statute, and I am not all that motivated to do that - I've read them before and it hurts my head to read federal statutes. Then the US Attorney could have a warrant issued, likely enforced by US Marshalls. Local and federal authorities can enforce those warrants. Here's the wiki explanation of Contempt of Congress procedures - have at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

ELECTION 2008
Obama tied to Iraqi government fraud?
Hundreds of millions in deals with candidate's associates
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70972

JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's office engaged in six months of negotiations with a company controlled by convicted criminal Tony Rezko to lobby the U.S. government to push through a nixed $50 million contact to train Iraqi security personnel at a site in Chicago.

"the US Attorney could have a warrant issued, likely enforced by US Marshalls" pogo, aren't these the same folks that owe rove their jobs?

http://www.prwatch.org/node/7581

Whose Conventions Are They Anyway?

Boss, I may be wrong, but I think the Sgt.at Arms could only arrest Rove if he were on the grounds. His law enforcement powers are pretty well limited to the Senate wing and Senate Office Buildings of the Capitol.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/office/sergeant_at_arms.htm

This just in:
In earlier posts I talked about the Obama book that we printed at my plant. We got some feedback from the publisher. It does not look like we will be printing any more of this book. To quote the publisher, "Sales have been dismal." This tells me that nobody (as in nobody) is buying this book.

What does it mean? Probably nothing, except the publisher made a misjudgment that there would be a demand for anything Obama.

patd, nah, he could have a hand in getting someone a job there, I suppose, but the U.S. Marshall Service is a very professional broad based federal law enforcement agency whose primary roles are apprehending fugitives and protection of the security of federal courts, with marshals and deputy marshals based in the federal courts, and it is very difficult to get a job there.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/

Shuster just hashed out the whole thing. Conclusion: Nothing likely to happen before Congress goes into recess and probably not before the end of the Bush presidency.

Can one Presidential "whatever he did for me was cool" Pardon be a surprise?

This is funny-listen to Zipperfish and learn: President Bush Y.A.A.F.M.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnbdKyBROIY

jamie, technically, that is true, but Rove's coming to the chamber to testify would purge the currently pending comtempt charge, and any refusal to testify would likely be under the color of an assertion of executive privilege - or maybe an assertion of his 5th amendment right against self incrimination. It would be close to outrageous (albeit incredibly satisfying) to have the SaA frogmarch him to the basement under that scenario.

xr - get that poster printed up and stapled to telephone poles nationwide. lol

Don't US Marshals work for the DoJ?

Isn't mukasey the top crook in the DoJ?

Didn't mukasey say he wouldn't apprehend this maggot, rove?

Sturg,

Thanks for linking that James Fallows piece.

I don't know where he gets the energy to do all the intellectual exploring that he does. I envy his range of interests.

xr, they do, he is, he did. There was no warrant outstanding when he said that. Warrants issued by Federal courts change things for the people who work in them. Mukasey will be gone in 6 months, the federal judge is in office from a lifetime appointment.

Breaking News out of Jerusalem: "Olmert: I'll quit as PM when Kadima picks new leader."

So the rumors of Olmert's own personal Travelgate are true, of course he is denying it, still. Harder to avoid for this corrupt man are the charges of accepting the Talansky bribes.

And now Olmert is going to step aside as soon as his Kadima Party selects a new candidate.
There can be no rejoicing for Olmert 's deriders, as now the in-fighting begins within the Kadima ranks and right now it's a mystery who will emerge.

For we who suspected all along Olmert was just another thug, we can only rejoice in this news. Of course Bush is comforting him in his sadness. This fact is the current headline of the online Jerusalem Post.

XP how about this?

US Constitution.
Article one section 8
To declare war, *grant letters of marque* and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

So could we use a letter of marque to hire a bounty hunter? Seems like a slick talking lawyer could come up with a way to make it stretch. Besides it would have to go to the supreme court and that could take years befor they would decide. Think of Rove in a private pokie waiting on the supreme court to make a decision.

Congress doesn't need a jail cell.

Poe's story, The Cask of Amontillado, suggests a simple storage technique. Or, they could suspend him from bunjie cords in the men's biffy until a new President offers to park him in abu ghraib.

and xr, that was over Rove's refusal to honor a congressional subpoena to testify and Mukasey's own refusal to turn over documents to the House Oversight Committee, and both were in essence asserting the same privilege (although Rove didn't bother to show up to assert it) - Mukasey had no intention of enforcing those subpoenas, and subpoenas aren't arrest warrants - enforcement of those would have fallen on the Sgt. at Arms.

hey pogo...I watched the entire TDF and the Spaniard Sastre deserved the Yellow. It was a great TDFrance, spectacular in scenery and action. Just great. The climb and descent of Alpe D'Huez was gripping. Outstanding.

"That's the author's opinion, not mine!"

True,
Been getting paid much for your opinion lately?

Jack

jack, that would be a bit of a stretch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_of_marque

I like xr's idea. I don't remember any bungee cords in Poe's story, but In fact, I'll donate the bricks and mortar.

Gotta go. Have fun.

Dex, I watched the last 18 days and got a recap of the first 3. Sastre did deserve it.

"This is pretty great. John McCain's claim that Barack Obama would rather lose the war than lose the presidential race is so repugnant "

This is such BS. Compared to past presidential campaigns that accusation is nothing. It's just that you can't stand your demigod to face a real campaign.

I think it's a bogus accusation. But Jesus H Christ -- it isn't the worst that's ever been hurled. You people obviously have zero confidence in this guy.

Pogo

Just a bunch of technicalities, I'm sure Georgie boy wouldn't let anything as an obviously quaint definition stand in his way.
Besides with all these private military contractors around it should be easy to have a real constitutional crisis. Think of it. the white house and the capital lobbing bombs at each other.
Ya know, there is an alternate history story some where in that. At least I hope it will be an alternate history.

Jack

Craig.....
you're back on Countdown..... good for you.... perhaps this means that the network has forgiven you for having a mind of your own....
unfortunately for me, I probably won't see it..... have to pack the vehicles tonight..... my load in time is early tomorrow morning..... but very glad your adoring fans will get to see you on that program again.....

everyone take care.....
and ETom is right, IMO..... don't take everything so f***ing seriously.... a little humor goes a loooong way.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/from-one-military-father_b_115842.html

From one Military Father to another

"McCain, in a deeply cynical ploy to misinform, is lying about Obama. Any lie is bad enough. But to impugn Senator Obama in way that also abuses our troops is not only wrong but political slime. This is an act of unpatriotic desperation."

amen to that Renee .... I wish I lived close by you... I think you'd be a fun person to hang around with. :-)

It's about 90 degrees in my apartment and its 11 pm.. I am off to bed.

pogo,

Thanks for clearing things up so clearly. I always appreciate a lack of Legalese.

Whskyjack,

I love the Letter of Marque idea.

Unfurl the Jolly Roger and sharpen thine Cutlass, Matey. Avast, rove! Or, taste Me Broadside! Arrgh.

"From one Military Father to another

"McCain, in a deeply cynical ploy to misinform, is lying about Obama. Any lie is bad enough. But to impugn Senator Obama in way that also abuses our troops is not only wrong but political slime. This is an act of unpatriotic desperation."

I repeat:

Compared to past presidential campaigns that accusation is nothing. It's just that you can't stand your demigod to face a real campaign.

I think it's a bogus accusation. But Jesus H Christ -- it isn't the worst that's ever been hurled. You people obviously have zero confidence in this guy.

AND I'LL ADD THIS:

These "letter from a soldier" and "soldier's father" posts are just sickening. True Republican tactics. Bush fan/Obama Fan -- Frick & Frack

FYI -Off topic and of interest to some (me) lol

Interesting House amendment to the latest Senate Foreclosure Act:

Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Paypal, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card Companies to Report Transactions to the Government.

"Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America's small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers WITHOUT DEBATE this week, would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government."

http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom/press_template.php?press_id=2571

Obama's convention crowd: Biggest phone bank ever

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATIC_CONVENTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-07-30-17-06-48

"This convention is going to look different and feel different and be different," says Steve Hildebrand, the Obama adviser overseeing the effort, during a recent visit to Denver. "We're here to win an election, not throw a party."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKlRAIKef3g

They just showed the new McCain ad here. In it, he calls Obama a celebrity and compares him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and questions if he's ready to lead.

The pirate song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIjlUMV6Is

Nice - end of the work day - Jimi
: )

"sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America's small businesses"

eBay, Google, Amazon, Paypal, and credit card companies are small businesses ?

While it may affect the privacy in a big way, it hardly affects the ops of small businesses.

Doesn't Homeland Security already have all this info through FISA? Why do they need Paypal to rat on it's customers ?

Maybe the Fed computers aren't allowed to talk to each other to protect 'privacy.' ( :>D ]

That McCain ad should appeal to the really ~~bright Repugs~~

Wow, the Yankees just made a deal for Pudge...I hope he can still hit since without the roids and HGH he's just a normal bum...

Did Brittney graduate with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard? They are so so similar, they even look alike.

Kind of like Ludicrous's latest lyrics should appeal to many on this blog:

"Hillary hated on you, so that bitch is irrelevant," say the lyrics. "McCain don't belong in ANY chair unless he's paralyzed"

There's plenty of stupid to go around....

That ad isn't shit when you compare it with what was done to Kerry and Cleland.

There's plenty of stupid to go around....

Posted by: Patsi

Plenty voted for Bush
Enough twice

Dog,
McCain is low, so that is nothing new for him....remember what he called his wife? very very low

The Tigers get Farnsworth! YAY! *Hack, cough!"

I can almost see the future of mccain ads:

Rapidly changing scenes: Masses of adoring fans squealing for Elvis and the Beatles, MLK Jr's March on Washington, mobs of people celebrating as the Berlin Wall is smashed, long lines of South Africans turning out to vote for the first time, the square at St Peter's filled with pilgrims, and a bird's eye view of 2 million at the Hajj.

Voice: " Obama is popular, too, but still inexperienced. America needs something different. "

Scene: mccain's face: the cheeks clench: a tight ear to ear grin.

Camera pulls way back to reveal Candidate mccain alone in a very large and empty room.

Voice: " mccain....He stopped growing ! "

Tinny tenor Voice: " I'm john mccain, and I approved this mess...."

McCain and Obama are both oinkers. I Got 99 Problems but a Bitch Ain't One....

"There's a lot of us voting against Obama more than anything else," Englekirk said to McCain.

McCain tries to show independence and conservatism

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MCCAIN_TOWN_MEETING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-07-29-20-23-35
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This is an issue - those who are merely voting against Obama...the Obama haters, don't hate his stances just don't like him....

Whose big picture, dog?

Then they haven't been on this blog...lol

That book my friend wrote included a quote from North Koreans about Americans. The North Korean man my friend was talking to said, "We don't hate Americans, we just hate the American Military." My friend's reaction was, "Isn't the American military made up of Americans?"

Corey,

It's similar to people thinking that all East German women were steroid loving men in drag...until Katerina Witt came on to the scene and posed for Playboy...she became the exception to that rule as well...

mmmmm... Katarina Witt.

A lot of people made fun of Obama's bowling, but nobody made fun of his basketball skills after seeing him drain a few Jump shots the other day!

This is an issue - those who are merely voting against Obama...the Obama haters, don't hate his stances just don't like him...

And it isn't an issue if : those who are merely voting against McCain..the McCain haters, don't hate his stances just don't like him...

If someone doesn't like Obama it isn't necessarily because he is of African descent. There are plenty of other reasons not to like him. The car he owns, the people he screwed over in Chicago, his associates, that he went to Harvard, that he wears wingtips instead of Oxfords, the church he went to, his stance on ethanol, you name it.

And I didn't even mention His 99 problems but you know who ain't one of them.....

Chloe - I have counted up 5 knotheads in my consideration, and you are not one. HA! Talk about spontaneous combustion! WOW! Sorry you got hit with that - even phenomenal peripheral vision wouldn't have helped you see it coming.

Patd - I agree on Tin Roof Blowdown. It made it more personal, didn't it? I love Burke's entire Dave Robicheaux series - have you read them, too?

Theresa - loved your comments re St Louis. I grew up in Webby G (webster groves) and left the last time in
81. It isn't a bustlin' city, but I kinda like that, since the growth isn't frenzied. The Muny, the zoo, the art museum are such strong memories of mine. I was just there in May and found it almost difficult to leave but my family is all here in CA so there was no doubt where I was going. That's why I'm wondering what parts of the city, or county, Champ was in.

I'm guessing Dana Milbank isn't on msnbc any more - am I right?

I do not like any part of the way this election is going. How did we get into such a mess?

I blame Sandra Day O'Connor - and there's another reason to care about the scotus.

By the way, I have to say most of the fights that go on here don't seem to have much in the way of justification, but then again, that's my opinion which I am allowed to have as well as any others here.

"it isn't necessarily because he is of African descent."

True. I don't remember being called a racist/feminazi bitch when I supported Harold Ford for Speaker instead of Nancy Pelosi. Funny how that worked....

Oh, but that was before so many here were even aware of politics....

Harold Ford would have been so much better that Pelosi. She is about as "old style power politics" as it gets. Baltimore Style. Which also spawned Spiro Agnew.

Harold would have been great. I heard Nancy on NPR today and Jeezus she was full of it.

Cory,

I thought that B-Ball baloney was silly and Obama looked arrogant strutting like a peacock after he hit the shot that media chose to broadcast. Notice they didn't, or I haven't seen, any misses.

Hey Obama, you're the nominee for President of the United States, which is a pretty significant achievement in itself; I don't care that you're good at basketball. Building some 'street cred', eh? I realize neither you nor Oregon Democrat are likely to read this post. Just throwing it out there.

They will never show a shot that he misses. Nobody makes every shot. Fawning garbage.

I wouldn't use Patsi's age against her. There's nothing sadder than an old queen! You were doing so well today, too: Interacting respectfully, figuring stuff out through cooperation and discussion...

Patsi,

When you supported Ford for speaker, I thought you were a cougar with the fever...lol

Champ,

Republicans say Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall...I disagree, seeing how hot the women were because of Witt, that's what brought down the wall...that and the sex trade in Budapest...lol

Here's Someone to take on Rove

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1K0jNrkj4

Ted Hamilton

http://www.saxton.com.au/default.asp?sd8=1891

I spent a wonderful evening talking politics with this very, very liberal Australian who had just finished the filming of "The Priate Movie" as The Pirate KIng

Champ, you live up to your name.

I think the poise, grace and calmness that Obama showed while overseas will overshadow McBush's negative campaign.

I think We the People are ready for and NEED a civil president who isn't all Repub ill will and rancor.

tt

"When you supported Ford for speaker, I thought you were a cougar with the fever...lol"

Ha -- well, Bear -- he did give me a big hug and call me Mama when he realized I was the mom of someone he knew....

But I've never been attracted to younger men. Most of the men I lust for are dead or on life support....

I think it's time we had a president who wasn't owned by telecommunications.

Thanks dog. Let's hope it's not just us who recognize this.

tt

Patsi,

You just earned a new nickname...

Anna Nicole

lol

Champ
"There's nothing sadder than an old queen!" Ha Ha.. Thats what my friend Baz's younger boyfriend says to him all the time.....You made me think about being in Australia listening to them argue...So Funny!

Ya know I don't think I'll take champ on in a pissing contest.
LOL
He knows where the pressure points are.

Jack

"You just earned a new nickname...

Anna Nicole"

Bear -- if I'd have married a geezer like that, you can be damn sure the will would have been airtight.

Plus, I was think more along the lines of the only ex-beau I miss-- Jimmy Witherspoon.

"think We the People are ready for and NEED a civil president who isn't all Repub ill will and rancor."

It would be nice, wonder where we could get one.

Jack

Hey Chloe
Your the Best!! I enjoy you so much.I also of course appreciate all the info you bring to this blog through discussion as well as links.Thank you.Stay put!!!

Ice sheet breaks loose off Canada

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/30/canada.arctic.ice.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

"Many scientists now believe that the Arctic will have ice-free summers by 2013, instead of 2030 ,as predicted by the International Panel on Climate Change."

Finally the the Northwest passage!

mmmmm...Reese Witherspoon.

Damn media-instilled lust!

Just realized I have to watch Countdown tonight. DRAT!!

boop posted: "I agree on Tin Roof Blowdown. It made it more personal, didn't it? I love Burke's entire Dave Robicheaux series - have you read them, too?"
no, this is the 1st i've read of burke. i was given the book by friends who live in algiers and who declare, even tho it's a shoot-em-up mystery pulp fiction, it comes as close as you can get to what happened and what is still happening to new orleans. it does a good job lambasting the current administration and their greedy ilk as well as tell an exciting complex tale.

I was reading the article UB posted about the Obama Convention that is going to be running along side the Democratic convention.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATIC_CONVENTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-07-30-17-06-48

It read like a teenager telling you how great sex is. As the teenager has just discovered sex, many of these people have just discovered politics.
LOL
and like the teenager you can't say anything without upsetting them.

So enthusiastic about all their new techie stuff that I hear little about the human part of the convention.
I love this quote, I can see the reactions some of the county chairs I've known
"Enter the 75,000 people who will have to come hours early for Obama's acceptance speech to get through security, most carrying cell phones. As they settle in their seats, campaign aides will be on stage asking them to text message their friends and use call sheets to get people to register. "There will be a lot of idle time. We put idle people to work," Hildebrand said."

I wonder if some will think the event is more trouble than it is worth. After all, the main purpose of the convention is reaffirming old ties and building new connections. You don't need to text for that, just a couple of chairs and some cold drinks.

Jack

Patsi

One thing I've noticed
Obama has yet to send me an email, so Clinton and Obama aren't sharing info, because Clinton is still sending me email.

Jack

This was in the article as well Jack.

"Hildebrand said the campaign has identified 55 million unregistered voters across the country"

55 million people who, yes, may be just getting introduced to politics...It's a good thing, and it scares the daylights out of republicans.

Information conveniently avoided by certain parties regarding "Godwin's Law":

Here's with what we are familiar:

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Here's more to consider, that actually makes the invocation of said law detrimental to the citer's own argument:

"The rule does not make any statement whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because SUCH A COMPARISON or reference MAY SOMETIMES BE APPROPRIATE, Godwin has argued[4] that OVERUSE of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, BECAUSE IT ROBS THE VALID COMPARISONS OF THEIR IMPACT."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Of course, all of this is dependent on the esteem in which you hold Mike Godwin himself, whoever the hell he is.

Here's an interesting read from U.S.News.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/7/30/barack-obamas-arrogant-campaign-risks-a-stunning-loss.html

From the mouth of Mike Godwin himself

"While the world of the Net is filled with diverse critical thinkers who are ready to challenge self-indulgent or self-aggrandizing memes, we can't rely on net.culture's diversity and inertia to answer every bad meme. "The "Nazi-comparison meme has a peculiar resilience, in part because of its sheer inflammatory power ("You're calling me a Nazi? You're the Nazi in this discussion!") The best way to fight such memes is to craft counter-memes designed to put them in perspective. The time may have come for us to commit ourselves to memetic engineering - crafting good memes to drive out the bad ones."

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html

Jack

I enjoyed your appearance again on KO's show tonight Craig. The frog story was great. Even KO smiled about the story and chimed in with a frog of his own. No ribett though!

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9351/index1.html

The Rand Report : How Terrorist Groups End

"The United States cannot conduct an effective counterterrorism campaign against al Qa'ida or other terrorist groups without understanding how such groups end."

yeah tonyb, interesting. erbe makes some good points and offers some good advice to both sides such as:
"Obama needs to humanize himself. His campaign has done too good a job of apotheosizing him. A good start would be for Obama to apologize to Clinton supporters for not coming to her defense during the primaries and helping her battle a torrent of sexist media criticism. McCain, the soldier, conversely, needs to get disciplined and promote a rock-solid economic message. He needs to convince swing voters that he will do a better job of righting the economy than a rookie senator with little by way of a legislative record.
This race is still the Democrats' to lose. But by going overboard on unity and turning unity to hubris, they can still easily lose it."

Something missing from that quote. It makes no sense.

which quote makes no sense bowmanc? the godwin, the rand or the erbe one? or all the above?

"people who, yes, may be just getting introduced to politics...It's a good thing, and it scares the daylights out of republicans."

Maybe -- but those just may be the sort of people who turned into Bushbots and elected that clown. I don't trust people who only recently paid attention.

The move to the Invesco Field at Mile High stadium for the convention's final night next month - at an additional cost of $5 million"

Was that you KGC that was trying to a cost on this? If this is accurate , not a bad price.

Link: July 30, 2008 8:01 PM

Yea, I saw that UB.
Isn't sex wunnerful.

Patsi

Those are people who have never registered and most never will unless you give them a bottle and free ride to the polls. Then again Obama has enough money to buy us all a bottle. BTW I'm a cheap vote, if any obama organizer is out there, Jim Beam. Oh and a little diet coke to chase it. Yea I'm getting soft in my old age.

Jack

is that on the list of acceptable insults?

Patd- I've read all of Burke's books except for some of the earlier ones. I do enjoy them and frankly remember practically nothing of the shoot-em-up parts.
He really conveys the feeling of small towns and backroads in the south. I can feel the humidity. If you don't like murder mysteries, tho, maybe they're not for you. Burke is a southerner and you can tell it. His characters are strong.

As for Godwin's Law, it was never passed. When I feel like bringing you-know-who into the conversation for wahtever reason, I do so and don't care what anybody thinks of it. I use the phrase 'you-know-who' simply to avoid robbing "Godwin's Law" of its meaning by causing its over-use whenever you-know-who is mentioned.

I got one email from Obama but no more. Maybe I answered it but don't remember. At any rate, no more emails have come.

Bear - I agree that Reagan didn't bring down the Berlin Wall. With all the hoopla re liberal media bias, I have often reflected on the love affair the media had with Reagan. They can admit they went easy on him, but don't seem to feel abashed about it. I've decided he was such good copy with all his smartass quips, sarcastic distracting asides, and over-simplifications, he kept them in business. They liked his personality and they kept him in power. Gorbachev and economcs brought down the wall.

Birth Certificate: Obama, Soetoro, or Dunham?

"Technical experts Techdude and Polarik still maintain that the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) published on the Obama campaign’s official website, FightTheSmears, was forged.

... current theory of events:

2. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii sometime around 1965-1966.

4. Mother and son joined Soetoro in Indonesia, where Barry Soetoro was registered in school as Lolo’s son, a Muslim, and a citizen of Indonesia.

….IF the above-stated hypotheses are correct, Obama’s current Birth Certificate in Hawaii would identify him as Barry Soetoro and his father would be Lolo Soetoro (unless, as stated, there was another adoption).

Upon request by the registrant (Sen. Obama), the State of Hawaii would issue a COLB in the name of Soetoro for child and father. Is this why the Senator has avoided showing his Birth Certificate? And is this why — if Polarik and Techdude are correct — the COLB published by Obama has been altered?"

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/birth-certificate-obama-soetoro-or-dunham/

The polls only serve two purposes right now. Entertainment, and as an excuse to gloat when your side is doing well. The first poll that will really matter are the ones following the first debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ZXWwz0Asw&feature=related

Yeah, but at least I threw in the Jamiroquai video for "Space Cowboy". I thought you'd enjoy that!

I read one of those jamie lee burke books and at some point it became supernatural and I lost the momentrium......

Yeah, but....

So?

Jack,
You equate 55 million unriegistered voters to sex ? ...kind of odd.

Nazi is an ever present facet of the personality of some of the humans with whom we have to associate......dismissing it's presence with some kind of formulaic mumbo jumbo.......grow up.

Good work, Sturge and Jack! Lots of stuff going on at work tonight. We have harassment training tonight and then later we're having a cookout to benefit a woman at work who is battling breast cancer.

Relevant comparisons may sometimes be appropriate, Jack. I'm not prepared to compare Obama to Hitler, but I am prepared to compare a significant portion of his followers to Brown-shirts, Nazi Youth, and the complicit German citizenry. Blind faith is rarely, if ever, a beneficial phenomenon, in my opinion.

Done for the night; God-willing. Later.

UB

Yep
It is a lot like sex.

You might get some
you may get lots of of it
But almost never when you really need it.

Of course ymmv

Jack

Here's something that my friend was told by his tour guide in North Korea:

"There is a famous English phrase that says when in Rome, one should do as the Romans do. Here in North Korea, please do as we do and you will have a nice vacation."

There are only 3 election strategies:

Open Seat: "I'm the best for the job."

Incumbent: "Don't change horses in midstream."

Challenger: "It's time for a change."

Oddly, the Obama campaign started with the challenger strategy.

If Obama is unable to paint mccain as a mere babybush#2 (and I don't know if that equation is still working) he will have to shove the gear lever into Open Seat strategy and floor it. There isn't much time left to secure the desired image of mccain in the public mind.

There is hope for reconcilation everywhere.

Cheech and Chong reunite as feud goes up in smoke
By EDWIN TAMARA, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, July 30, 2008

(07-30) 16:09 PDT LOS ANGELES, (AP) --

Their feud finally having gone up in smoke, Cheech and Chong say they're eager to get back on the road for their first comedy tour in more than 25 years.

"We had such a legacy, such a history. We couldn't escape it, even if we tried," Tommy Chong told reporters at a news conference Wednesday at the Troubadour, the Los Angeles nightclub where the pair were discovered more than 35 years ago.

The duo said their "Light Up America" tour will kick off Sept. 12 in Philadelphia.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/29/entertainment/e185940D49.DTL&tsp=1

I dislike O for many of the same reasons I dislike W.

They have much in common.

OD,
They have different political positions on issues.

I think it was Bullwinkle who said, "When in Rome do as the Romanians do."

and I am marie of roumania

--dorothy parker

Xrep

"When in Rome you shoot off Roman candles"
Lazarus Long

Time for work. Night all!

OD

Not me, Obama is only a lightweight irritation where as Bush is a danger to the core beliefs of this nation. I never in my life thought I would see this nation debate using torture.
So please don't compare the two.

Jack

Cory
Listen to that training, have fun and don't laugh
It is serious you know. ;-)

Jack

whskyjack,

Ya. It's like debating lynching or cannibalism.

Somehow, half the country caught a maniac's disease.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter/print

July 30, 2008

Add your name to this Open Letter calling on Barack Obama to stand firm on the principles he so compellingly articulated in the primary campaign.

Stand firm on the principles you have so compellingly articulated, and you may succeed in bringing this country the change you've encouraged us to believe is possible.

Here is a list of early signatories to this open letter:

Rocky Anderson

Moustafa Bayoumi

Norman Birnbaum Professor Emeritus
Georgetown University Law Center

Tim Carpenter
Progressive Democrats of America

John Cavanaugh, director
Institute for Policy Studies

Juan Cole

Chuck Collins

Phil Donahue

Barbara Ehrenreich

Tom Engelhardt
Tomdispatch.com

Jodie Evans, co-f0under
CODEPINK: Women for Peace

Thomas Ferguson

Bill Fletcher Jr., executive editor,
BlackCommentator.com

Eric Foner

Milton Glaser

Robert Greenwald

William Greider

Jane Hamsher

Tom Hayden

Christopher Hayes

Richard Kim

Stuart Klawans

Bill McKibben

Walter Mosley

Richard Parker, president
Americans for Democratic Action

Gary Phillips

Jack - Not to aruge with you, but to extend my description of my attitude (sounds so serious, doesn't
it?). In short, I'm just ornery, probably. The longer explanation follows:

I know about Godwin's law being 'natural' but that doesn't give it the same standing to me that gravity does. I just meant that Godwin's law is one law I'll break if I feel the need to and if my own standards are satsified. For one thing, I don't call people Nazi's and only use the comparison when I have thought about it and feel it is warranted.

What it amounts to is that I get a little stubborn when someone tells me what I "can't" do. I am such a chickenshit and I don't know when this tendency is going to come over me, and it can be embarrassing.

Years ago, another teacher told me I couldn't file a torn fingernail. I surprised myself by saying, "Yes, I can."
Believe me, that is NOT me, and I like her and knew that the sound of files made her crazy, but I still said it and am still surprised that I did.

I absolutely agree that people sling around the you-know-what label, and the labels communist and socialist without knowing what they mean. I tend to keep my mouth shut cuz I don't like to correct people, and cuz I think they are understood, but I just can't cede my own right to use an extremely valid simile or metaphor when I feel I need to.

Sturge - I haven't read anything supernatural in James Lee Burke's books, and hope you have another author in mind because I LOATHE the supernatural in my novels. You referred to him as Jamie Lee Burke and that is what I base my hope on that you are thinking of another author. Everything I've read of his is pretty straightforward. If he does have another series which does have supernatural elements, tell me pleas and I'll shun it!

Truly, totally frightening Megalomania from Obama

"We can't seriously be contemplating electing this megalomaniac president, can we?

In his closed door meeting with House Democrats Tuesday night ...

Obama was waxing lyrical about last week's trip to Europe, when he concluded ... "this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for."

The press has successfully downplayed Obama's similar remarks in the past.

How long can the press keep covering for this guy?"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/truly_totally_frightening_megl.html

Hello all, I hope all have been good. I wanted to report to you all that right after Obama left Israel. the PM Olmert has said he will step down. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1007051.html

Also Obama says he thinks Israel will strike Iran in the coming years.

Also Obama says he thinks Israel will strike Iran in the coming years.

Posted by: Rob43 | July 30, 2008 10:20 PM

They already are. Using our military.

"Ya. It's like debating lynching or cannibalism.

Somehow, half the country caught a maniac's disease"

Yep and that is where I think Champ may have a point to talk about the German public. Where and how do people do such things. We like to think we are a better people than that, but I don't think we are any different. It is our laws that we develope in reasonable times that keep us in line in times of stress. The laws are there to give us guidance. Working to remove the law such as Bush and company did does us no service and is a very dangerous road to be traveling down.

Jack

boops.......im not sure now....I coulda sword it was a jamie lee burke about a confederate graveyard pouring forth beings.......I'll have to check it out in order to have a chance of being merely somewhat querulous as opposed to completely off the bases............

ROOT OF ALL EVIL.....with lewis black.....

Ultimate Fighting vs. Bloggers

Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.

--Mike Tyson

" I think Champ may have a point to talk about the German public. "

Look how everyone got when Princess Di died. I know there have been over the top responses in history such as Rudolph Valentino and of course Elvis, but of late it just seems as if more and more people are taking their emotional cues from external stimulus.

It's all weeping buckets, maudlin notes, bouquets and teddy bears for events that have no real connection to their lives. A kind of hysterical bathos.

Godwin's 'Law' is actually an easily disproven theorum. It begins as nothing more than an artful restatement of a theorum (I believe, of Twain's) about an infinite number of monkeys with typewriters eventually coming up with the works of Shakespeare.

However, following the statement of Godwin's 'Law,' Godwin's commentary lurches off to a different topic, ascribing the end of communication to that moment when name-calling begins. The conclusion is unsupported by evidence. For instance, there may have been no communication prior to the name-calling event. Further, the fact that some people beam with pleasure when they are called nazis, especially when other nazis so denominate them, demonstrates the grave fault in the development of Godwin's argument. .

For the most part, people dislike being categorized by others, and use categorization tends to cause discord.
This is an observation rather than a theorum or law.

I see your point Jamie and I want to say, that at some time we were more moral, more courageous. But the truth is it has always been easy to get a mob up to do some dirty work. People taking their children and a picnic basket to a lynching. I think that a number of us have convinced our selves that we had become more civilized and were above that sort of behavior. But given a little fear and a bunch of demagoguery and the venere sloughs off.

Jack

2 other faulty 'Laws' :

1 . george will's theorum ('Law') : 'money is speech, and expenditure of money is free speech.'

a. How about if Ken Lay steals people's money and spends it on babybush's campaign? Is stolen money free speech, too ?
b. Theft = speech; kleptomania = prolixity ?
c. Is spending north Korean money free speech ?
e. If money is speech, and oil is both fungible and effortlessly exchanged for money, is not oil everywhere speech, also ? Would a refinery fire be equivalent of censorship ?

It is hard to speak with confessed thief, george will, regarding this lame hobbyhorse of his. The felon sees himself ever as the hero of the story, and the hero is never wrong. So it is with old sourpuss.

2. B. Lyall Mastemah's theorum ('Law') : 'Prosperity is good for business.'
a. If life insurance underwriting is your business, recession is good for business.
b. If you are an undertaker, a crash is good for business.

Sorry to be prolix, myself.

Goodnight.

Jamie
Just think if instead of sing the Battle hymm of the Republic, whick is a song of righteous retribution
We had sang this

Johnny Cash - I Shall Not Be Moved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jBmep1EgmQ

It would have been one giant FU to those that did 911
A FU, we're standing by our principles. The truly unforgivable thing about Bush is how he didn't lead when we needed a leader.

Jack

"A kind of hysterical bathos."-Jamie

Since I can remember there's been a real curiosity with anything American there, especially related to our early history.

Indians (red) are a special treat for them. I have friends and relatives who sing and dance as a "troupe", and make annual trips to europe to perform. They have always mentioned the unusual fascination they find in Germany.

Jack

I keep coming back to that old Twilight Zone episode, The Monsters Are On Maple Street.

http://www.tv.com/the-twilight-zone-2002/the-monsters-are-on-maple-street/episode/228680/summary.html

It is so darn easy to scare people into mass hysteria and from there to unreasoned action.

Jamie
enough of those dark thoughts

Here is enough sugar for a diabetic comma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUno0WNot5U

Jack

As far as I am concerned, the new attacks from the McCain campaign against Barack Obama makes it even easier to support Barack. The negative campaigning they are doing right now is morally bankrupt, dishonest, lacking analysis of real issues and really IS the sad -- same old politics.

One thing I like about Belgian politics is that they parties have to discuss issues. They cannot try to create these mega-monster candidates by tarring and feathering them with spurious descriptions and all out lies.

Time for work.

Today it is going to be a high of 30 degrees... I dread it... Still have much cleaning to do before Mauro arrives, and much work at the shop as well. I am stressed... one positive thing about my gas station... we have air conditioning. If I had one of those blow up mattresses, I would sleep THERE at night. Good news, Friday is expected to be 21 degrees... so we should both be comfortable, in all so many ways.

Good work tonight, Craig. Good to you with KO again.

tt

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Johnny !!

FREE AMERICA

DIRECT DEMOCRACY

Sturge - So! You didn't have spacey memory! Thanks for the warning. It apparently is the 6th of the series In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead. I haven't read the early ones in the series so had to check on it. Maybe one day I'll need a fix and will try it.

I really do hate supernatural stories, but am curious as to how Burke ties it in with Robicheaux's character. Apparently Robicheaux has a "meeting" with a legendary Confederate leader in the bayou, and learns that the"war is never over." That's not as bad as some supernatural stuff, but I am not a confederacy sympathizer - so this is true un-certainty. I do like Burke's attitudes and philosophy, tho, so am interested in what he has to say about this.

Leon Uris wrote Armageddon years ago, about an American officer assigned to post-war Germany. He wants to understand how the Germans could have fallen so completely for Hitler, what there is in their natural character, if anything, that sets them up to be duped. It's rather interesting.

I have Great Performances on with The Daughter of the Regiment and could swear this woman with a speaking role is Marion Seldes. I thought she was dead . Neat woman as far as I know.

Oh well, it's so late that probably no one will even se this post, so why am I still talking???? good po

I was just wondering what ever happened to Cindy Sheehan. And here's what she's working on:

"Cindy Sheehan Set to Challenge Pelosi"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/24/cindy-sheehan-set-to-challenge-pelosi/

Pelosi's been very disappointing.

tt

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/john-the-ripper-attacks-barack.html#comment-122291

KGC, interesting list. Perhaps now they should apologise to Hillary for thinking she was all that was bad in politics and Barack was the messiah of a "new politics" from a progressive activist standpoint.

Even if they still believe that Barack is the better candidate, for them to write such a letter certainly strikes a chord of fear that he is turning out to be other than what they were counting on.

I was watching Obama's new ad about McCain and "OLD" politics. Then I was listening to some of Obama's talking heads and I think every 5th word they used was "OLD". Is it really a good stategy for Obama to make that getting "OLD" is a negative. I've been voting Democratic since Humphrey and nobody has every insulted an age group like Obama is.