Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

McCain is going to win in November, you can take that to the bank.

The voters are wising up and the Democ"rats" are in for a rude awaking come this November.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps Obama = Chamberlian = victory for terrorists = Keeping our shoes on forever.

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nite all.

champ
is a democ"RAT"

nite all

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps Obama = Chamberlian = victory for terrorists = Keeping our shoes on forever.

Polls ... I wonder if, since that pollster told Reid that Bush is down to 11% approval, and Reid says that drags all politicians down...I wonder if ennui will set in and people will stay away in droves come November.

How big will Obama play at the voting booths? Students look all excited in the Spring , but when it's cold out and the repuggs make it nearly impossible to get through the lines to vote, the young vote may be neutralized by standard repugg dirty tricks.

I keep hearing how the Latino vote will sway the election, but right now no one really knows who wins that bloc, either.

Also, although it looks like an Obama electoral college win, there are too many factors involved to say Obama will win easily. I tend to think McCain will do better than Dole did in the popular vote, but McCain may meet the same electoral college slaughter that Dole endured. This would be a great thing.

Just popping in to drop this off.

Trailmixer goes to the shrink:

http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/index.html

" Marketing is the art of getting people in the mood to be receptive"

A candidate/leader is not being born anymore (according to the media driven world we live in these days), he is being groomed and then marketed. The crux is to keep the strategy going... Congres is not on the market these days. they are and shoudl not sell. The items to be marketed today are BO and JmC.

Axelrod's Fall Reifenstahl Strategy

"This fall, watch for David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, to choreograph at least two post-convention mass events at least slightly reminiscent of the stagecraft of Leni Reifenstahl in 1934 Germany.

She was enthralled by his public speaking ability and became a devotee, dedicating her genius to making films that deified The Leader.

... put a camera on a semi-circular track and did a continuous rolling shoot that revolved 180 degrees around the stationary Leader, projecting his firm, unwavering, demigod-like resolve before adoring masses eager to be rescued."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/axelrods_fall_reifenstahl_stra.html

Obama Youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLyoaHJuGTU&feature=related

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Tomorrow Belongs to Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdM8PDu6VMg

LOL @ the article Gordo.....
I laughed during the middle pase of the article...I laughed beucause I could allready enevison it. Too good. :)) Especially tha prt of Micehlle and the girls.

The last sentence is striking. The answer is: he will probably NOT!
He or they will use a different strategy

Okay - this typekey thing is ridiculous. It says the problem is probably with the weblog and I should contact the owner of the weblog. I don't know who that is - does any of you?

I also installed Firefox with high hopes but see no difference. Is there an alternative to typekey? They REALLY don't want to help.

'Nough (too much) said. Nitey-night.

More "counterintuitive data out there " -

"I've been an oilman all my adult life, and we're not going to drill our way out of this "
T. Boone Pickens

Dutton, T. Boone is so right!

Criag, another perceptive TM, again. "volatile "market" in our politics" is a good way to describe it.

Glad I'm not the ONLY one dissatisfied with the Dem Congress. What a disappointment they are.

I've seen Lieberman and McCain together so much, you'd think they're brothers. He'll be the VP running mate and McBush will be shouting from the roof tops,

"SEE, I've crossed over!!!."

tt

GORDO,

the camera technique was used in The Agony of St. Joan a decade before.

mccain's running mate will be some weak brained Lepidus, astonishingly rich and desirous of fame - the sort of immortality that belongs to failed veep candidates. Remember Miller? Sparkman?

mccain will select this suitable beast of burden for his faltering campaign, make him carry without rest, and finally drain the victim of massive campaign 'loans.' Perhaps, only one or two Americans have the qualifications for the role of mccain's running mate. Does anyone know of a pride-filled simpleton who is heir to a vast fortune? There is your retardlican running mate.

Is it just me or did anyone else catch the new McCain ad, right in the middle the narrator tells us :

" the economy is in shambles "

This from a campaign that has "re-organized" 3 times in a year. The first time when it blew through all it's cash.

Craig,

Your point about how disappointed the average American is in the Democratic Congress is important (Pelosi, et al). And even though Dems continue to win new seats in Congress, this shouldn't be construed as a sign that a majority of the public is enthusiastically going to support Obama in the November election.

Many voters are as frustrated and confused as I am. We all want a silver
bullet to change our lives after eight years of Bush. As a lifer Democrat, it's easier for me to blame the Republicans for all the problems in the country.

But, the fact is, Democratic leaders haven't helped change the broken system
much either. And, after what I witnessed during the Democratic primary,
the DNC has not impressed me with savvy organization or competent leadership.

From yesterday's thread:

"I'm not particularly interested in party unity right now."
posted by maggisd

I feel the same way as maggised. That's part of the problem on this blog. lately--the subtext that now that the primary is over, all Democrats should
immediately rally behind Obama.

Understandably, the Obama supporters want all Democrats to "come together" to overthrow the Republicans. But, some of us Dems are not going quietly into the fold. For many reasons, we have issues with the current Democratic party and with Obama. I can't see that changing anytime soon.

Sometimes, some of us feel like we're being lectured to or beaten over
the head (subtly) by some Obama supporters who want to convert us or want
us to supply constant links whenever we make a statement questioning Obama. It gets tiring. That's all I'm saying, at least for me.

I know it is important to have intellectually compelling exchanges. But,
sometimes, just casual, polemic, pithy comments are entertaining.

Unity my ass! (excuse the language)

The DNC orchestrated the attacks on HRC during the primaries. They sat back and watched as one candidate got accussed of doing everything negative by a colured media who assisted in the witch hunt.... All in favour of one candidate that they want as the representative of DNC (according to their standards)

DNC is now in the hands of an army that is willingly changing directions (immediately) and they have found their soulmate in BO.
But have your 15 minutes of fame (LOL)....time is on the hands of the American people...hopefully

Unity starts from scratch...and even we as adults can start uniting by trying to stay afloat in the midst of the media and the information society driving us in a different way. Everytime someone comes up with the unity garbage, I just have to laugh and say please stop this comedy. Not only have we as a country once again made a full mockery of our democracy for the entore world stage, we also drove further away from the high morals we stood for as a country...way...way... way back...in the days....

As I said earlier: " Marketing is the art of getting people in the mood to be receptive"

And that is what DNC did during the primaries together with Howard W and BO, and what they are going to do more and more as we droft towards November.

Rember that BO didn´t even attend two entire important black events during the primaries...Why? He knew he had the AA´s in his pocket by using his colour against the other candidate....
Now he will use the I-have-a-dream date to his advantage and show the dream has come true in Denver.

Please.... A big F%&_# You to BO and his team.

Not only is he sending us as AA´s back to the pothole by using us as bait, but he is also making it quite easy to put a lid and a tag on all AA politicians in the future..

Wow! Jason, you're fired up this morning. You go guy!!

Tuesday on CNN there was an attractive woman being interviewed who had been one of the major financial backers to the Hillary Clinton campaign. She was being grilled by the uber-liberal Anderson Cooper about when she was going to fall in line and rally for Obama. At one point, she replied, "I just don't like Obama." I thought that was a rather surprising, unscripted comment.

Then, one of the female CNN anchors said, "The Hillary women want to be
wooed back and they don't feel Camp Obama is doing that."

You know Marchia,
The problem for me is not falling in line. No one can wooo me back to BO. It will not happen. Because this was a near perfect execution of a plan made by BO and DNC. Do read. "NEAR"

That is why I say: unity my ass..
Come on people, wake up, this is scripted. Why is America always going for an underdog or the one they feel some kind of sympathy for? We need to go with the guy, girl, group that has the proven track record. During Idols we vote the underdog, In Politics we do the same, In sports we also get teary eyed and pull for the sad one.....What is wrong withn this picture

But once again, we failed, as a country...pfffffff as a nation. It is sad.
Last week , while at Wimbledon, I met up with some of my study buddies who chose the UK to finish their dissertation, and we all were just angered by the primaries. The nice thing was: we were all men. 5 in total, 4 whites and 1 black...And we all had the same conclusion: We will (except 1) sit this thing out.
One guy who is a repub said: it is a shame, that it has come to this, but actually there is no turning back.

Anderson should put a sock in it. Maybe it is time for him to take the skeletons out of his ugly closet...he did a great disservice to this country by demeaning HRC on April 3rd....

Jason,

You said a mouthful there (July 9, 2008 post). Your point is well taken.
And a very nice narrative about Wimbledon, I might add.

I know what you mean. I don't feel I need to be wooed back. That
sounds rather patronizing. But, I do want to be treated with respect for my
feelings and opinions--that I'm not ready to support the DNC, as it is
now or Obama whom I don't feel I know at all.

Good morning everyone! I just love checking in here before my day begins.

Craig -- Congress has always polled low. It's downright
un-American to say that Congress is doing a great job. Remember the saying, "Congress is in recess, so the country is safe." However, if you ask the people in the individual districts they will always vouch for their own representative. "Oh yeah, the Congress is crooked and meddlesome. But my guy, well, he's alright. I met him at the pig roast. " This can be modified based on the subject's political party, and their own activism, but by and large, most people like their own Congressman. If that's weren't the case, then the House would be completely flipping every two years.

Marcia -- I with you on the wooing, which is *slightly* patronizing. Tomorrow, Barack Obama will be attempting to do some major wooing in Fairfax County, VA. He's going to hold a town hall forum at 1:00 in the afternoon on a workday on the subject of "Economic Security For America's Women."

Okaaayyyyy... wouldn't most women who are concerned for the economic security will be at *work* on a Thursday afternoon? I know that's where I will be.

Fairfax county is home to a large Muslim community. I wonder how many women in head scarves will be kept out of camera range.

I am interested in Obama consulting with Hillary Clinton about economic security and women. That's why I signed up for www.together4us.com We need to spread the word about this.

Jason,

Your opinion about Barack and the black community is strange. Not only did the African American community SUPPORT him not attending those black events (The Tavis Smiley State of the Black Union being one), but they were politically sophisticated enough to understand that by attending, he would have fell right into the trap of being tagged as the "black candidate", just as ego maniac Tavis Smiley would have wanted. BTW, the blowback from Smiley's temper tantrum about Obama not attending? He's off the air on his main gig, the Tom Joyner Morning Show. The listeners turned on him. So what you've said doesn't even remotely congeal with the facts.

Aw, the Iranians sent W a belated birthday present. He's gonna get his oil & armeggedon before his term is out after all.

AliciaK - Oh, those things are always packed with supporters. I remember declining an invite when Bill ran the first time and the Dem calling me was shocked, shocked, shocked that I didn't want to take the time to attend. Since we know BO doesn't think well on his feet, it will be a well-orchestrated meeting. The wuss couldn't handle taking on McCain in an open forum.

Big money to made in wind energy...that seems to be John Deere's big thing now.

An oilman-with-a-hear-of-gold or does he just know that black gold is on the way out & there's a windfall just waiting in wind energy?

http://www.pickensplan.com/

At least somebody's got a plan.

You know, I come on this blog everyday and read the bitter anti Obama folks. How about this? Why don't we come to these conclusions? Those supporting Obama will be tens of millions. Those supporting McCain will be tens of millions. Those who decide to sit out this election, or write in Hillary's name, etc. are statistically insignificant.

So let's stop with "the people in my cirlce say they'll sit this one out" as being something that will make a difference. First, if you don't show up, no one will know, particularly in an election when voter registration is setting records.

If you want to argue the policies of McCain versus Obama, fine. But let's come back to earth. It's not only unrealistic to think that your bitterness over the primary is going to make a difference, but it's also starting to get boring. Hell, even the insults over the said bitterness is getting tired.

Mr.D - I don't think BO is the best person for the job. Since you think that makes me "bitter," I guess I will just go cling to my religion. (You know, religion. The thing BO was so dismissive about privately but now has decided to publicly glom onto because it might get him votes.)

"even the insults over the said bitterness is getting tired.

Hey
Not everybody is in love with your candidate of choice, get used to it. If the Daily Gallup is to be believed , only 46% of the American people support your candidate, an equal amount oppose him and the rest say "its summer call me in October"

Jack

good morning gang....

Craig.... I think the mood of this whole country right now is volatile.... sometimes it feels like whiplash..... but I bet you're having fun writing about it...

Alicia.... NH changed both it's Congressmen in the last mid-terms..... and now we're poised to jettison one of our big name Senators.....
I do wish it would happen more often than it does..... I heard on the Boston news yesterday that John Kerry has his first primary opponent in years...... wouldn't it be great to have some of these long term big names get their butts handed to them in the upcoming primaries in Sept...... on both sides of the aisle..... but alas.... this is usually the lowest voter turnout election..... when I worked it, I always brought some knitting.....

gee..... I remember voting for McGovern and Dukakis.....
everyone knew these guys were losing big time..... but I guess I should have got in line and voted for Nixon and Bush 1..... oh well....

Mr Democrat,

Well thanks for reacting....

But I have to say, I totally disagree with you.
BO ran a racial campign form the get go. I for a fact know, because both of my parents, and my sister campigned hard.
Some two / three months ago I posted some examples mostly with regard to the then NC primaries. I think most of you can remember..If not, please go back...If possible.

He ran a racial campaign because he needed the AA vote. When he knew he "HAD" (happening quickly after SC) the AA vote, he let go and went out campaigning and lobbying the white vote, all the while not letting go of keeping the AA community aware of the fact that the Clinton campaign was running a racial campign. This is not just MY opinion, but most of the independent media screemed about it. I, as a black man, know this for a fact...

By not showing up at the two important black ceremonies, he , and that is purely my opinion, showed disregard to the AA community...Disregerard at their past (think the MLK rememberance - no show) and the present (by opting to send his wife instead of himself showing up).

Your point is that, if he were there, he would be labeled as a black candidate. I am sorry to say Mr Democrat, but this statement in my eyes is not valid.
Will he for the rest of his liofe than not show up at AA seminars, or whatever because he is black and he not wants to be labaledas a black candidate? Is he a president of the white people, or all Americans?
he is about change right? So why keep doing it the old fashioned way...and being afraid to be labeled as..... So the man is afraid of being labeled as...instead of showing appreciation for a big part of your constituents?

He used his constitutents (AA) by telling them that this isit for us. I f we don´t vote for him we will never ever have a viable black candidate for president....The genious that his campign was, these statements were never made on big stages, but by the peeps knocking on doors. he freighted some of the AA´s (most of them) and they fell for it. I have to say, I can feel that...

Come on, Tavis Smiley??? No, we can do better than that.

All I say is that, he ran the campign of race..and it worked for him. Now he will portary himself as the I-Have-A-Dream man...when the dram he has is all but his own

Watched the Obama family on NBC yesterday; they're nice.

I'm trying to think when it was okay parading little kids in front of the press much less letting them dialog with that august body.

It may be fine for now. But, what happens when the older one does those teenage things and gets caught (as did Mr Bush's daughters)? Will we then have selective availability? Like, parading them out when it works politically, but keeping them under wraps when that works?

And, when the kids are older, what happens when the press decides to camp-out outside their high school waiting to find out who is holding hands with whom?

I believe the Obamas made a serious error in judgment.; everyone already knew they are a tremendously appealing family. They did their kids a disservice.

"I believe the Obamas made a serious error in judgment.; everyone already knew they are a tremendously appealing family. They did their kids a disservice"
I just caught a little of Obama's appearance on GMA. I think he agrees with you. It was a birthday celebration and thinks got a little out of hand and he expressed worry about the way it was carried on the cable shows.

Jack

Mr. Democrat,

Your post of 7:48 a.m. sounds narcissistic and judgmental.

Excuse us, (once Hillary supporters) for daring to write our opinions since, according to you, we don't matter.

So, who appointed you the arbiter of what topics are addressed on this blog? Who annointed you the monitor of what subjects are worthy to be
discussed on Trail Mix? I'm sure Mr. Crawford did not.

You write that it's okay to debate the policies of McCain versus Obama, but
examining the travesty that happened during the primary because of a
mismanaged Democratic party is not okay with you. I have been a Democrat
all my life and I have every right to deconstruct DNC operations. Just as I
have every right to discuss my dissatisfaction with Obama, not out of bitterness, as you so snidely write, but out of concern for this country and
its future.

If you're bored by certain comments and subject areas may I suggest you ignore them?

Because, I for one, am not going to stop posting my thoughts whether about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or anything else within the realm of good taste that strikes my fancy.

Iran tests missiles in Persian Gulf

"Our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch,"

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/748800.html

The war of words and threats are escalating
Wonder what the price of oil will be today

Jack

Jack

Jason's early morning post is worth repeating:

"Come on people, wake up, this is scripted. Why is America always going for an underdog or the one they feel some kind of sympathy for? We need to go with the guy, girl, group that has the proven track record. During Idols we vote the underdog, In Politics we do the same, In sports we also get teary eyed and pull for the sad one.....What is wrong withn this picture?"

'As Pakistan's Taliban take control of town, military stays in fort'

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/43471.html

Bye Bye (aka Mr D) -- is living proof that the Obama camp is packed with Bush/Freeper mentalities. It's no surprise that many Republicans and people who were formerly unaffiliated jumped for him. The tactics include belittling, bossing and bullying.

I'll bet if the Dixie Chicks or some artist dissed Obama, it would be exactly like when the Chicks dissed Bush: a massive attempt would be made to destroy him/her. The Obama people would react exactly like those rabid Bushites who met in radio station parking lots to burn CDs.

Oh, and YES -- I am so sick of the patronizing tone and talk of "wooing," "healing," "hurt feelings," et al.

'Fannie, Freddie Downgraded by Derivatives Traders'

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aY0CwXhA.F3w&refer=home

"Traders are overlooking the government's implied guarantee of the debt as credit losses grow "

Looks like "back by full faith and credit" ain't what it used to be.

Jack

Patsi

I view comments like MD as signs of desperation.

Jack

"Because, I for one, am not going to stop posting my thoughts whether about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or anything else within the realm of good taste that strikes my fancy."

Ha! To borrow a cliche -- Marcia, You Go Girl!

You're right, Jack...does sound desperate. And I don't easily forget that Mr. D/Bye Bye posted some of the ugliest, most sexist and almost pathological posts I've ever read during the primary. As did Karolina. Things that made you wonder about their mental health status. Then the minute their candidate slithered through, they said, "Oh, okay. The rest of you STFU and let's move on."

I personally don't like being "led" by wack jobs.

Under "It's an ill wind that blows no good" category.

"the third-biggest U.S. auto insurer, stands to benefit from record gasoline prices and a slowing economy as fewer drivers take to the roads. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=amhk8GZl9uUk&refer=home

Jack

Plus, as I recall, Democrats talked about the 2000 fiasco with its selected "president" for a LOOONG time. While the Bush thugs said, "STFU and move on."

I think the thing you have to remember is the wack jobs are just that. They are not the leaders.

Jack

"STFU and move on."

LOL
It is amusing how the wingnuts love to borrow each others tactics and phrases.
Left or right they all seem to be blurring into one ugly mess.

Jack

Craig's on MSNBC right now

You guys are strange.

The Doors - People are Strange

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=old6xeBVIfw

Bye-Bye -- You of all people have no cred to call people strange. I remember the vitriol with which you posted. That was BEFORE you showed back up to say, Oh, Okay! Let's all have a group hug, no matter what crap I threw at you yesterday.

Mama don't play that.

Craig , nice post again.

I believe "most" Americans are taking a beak from the political scene...they are concerned about their own struggles, be it employment, upcoming tuitions, getting to work (gas prices) etc.

Excitement ( especially for "Change") will ramp up after the season of BBQs and little league. American will have the whole summer , to say to themselves, this economy sucks...and then the idea of new blood in the White House will be very appealing.

jmo

Nope, you're strange because you guys actually don't know what to do without this bitterness. It's your life blood. Your reason for being. Coming on TM without it takes away your sense of identity. I wonder if for many of you, your lives are so twisted that this blog becomes an outlet for your frustrations. I remember reading, and I'm not using this as a way to hit at him personally, that Maxtrue said his life was a bit messed up and so he used this blog as an outlet. I think this reflects a lot of you. There's a certain sadness that touches a lot of your posts, something that I think even Craig has noticed. I would say that many of you could use some self reflection, but I doubt that a lot of you want to discover what you might find.

I think you're probably right, burrito....there appears to be zero excitement or interest for the election here in Nashville. No yard signs. No bumper stickers. Zilch. Very strange atmosphere. I think BushCo has brought about both a financial recession, and an emotional depression.

I have no problem with the complaints about the primary process or the dislike of the democratic candidate. It gets old, but no big deal.
What I really wonder is: what could ever happen that might make these strong opinions (anti-Obama but not pro-McCain) change???

It would be great to have the support of these voters, and of coarse, I would be thrilled if their support went to Barack Obama...

It was difficult for me to switch my support....it took days.....back in February I wrote this:

http://unlikelyburrito.blogspot.com/2008/02/stunned-myself.html

It might not be the same for the rest of the Hill supporter out there.....this is just from my perspective. I realized back then, that this race really moved me....I remain extremely proud of Hillary Clinton...but I know my personal dissatisfaction is mine to conquer.

Have a great day everyone!
Barack Obama 2008
(former Hillary supporter)

Dear Mr. Democrat:
Projection much?

" I wonder if for many of you, your lives are so twisted that this blog becomes an outlet for your frustrations. I remember reading, and I'm not using this as a way to hit at him personally, that Maxtrue said his life was a bit messed up and so he used this blog as an outlet. I think this reflects a lot of you. "

Ha. I often thought same about you, Bye Bye. Except that I also thought you were pathological.

Burrito -- I understand where you are coming from. I simply feel I have no candidate. I despise McCain, and think Obama is a machine product. I don't trust either one of the two....as I've said before, it's like picking your favorite Menendez brother.

You're a very unhappy person, Patsi. You think the worst of people and spread nothing but vitriol.

Personally I am fed up with Obama. This flip-flopping only hardens my resolve not to support him. He is a manufactured character in many ways no different than Bush--and a press darling. It is so sad when Democrats had a real chance with s a solid candidate that we blew it yet again. Now I hear his people are balking at paying Hillary's debt. Great! Does this mean she will not have to work for him---

I think the blog is great for learning about differences.....man are they out there....( note I didn't say "understanding" ~ that takes work ~..lol )

But seriously, I have learned so much from ALL of the people that post here....thanks.

mornin' all.

MD, I'm one of those ex-Hillary supporters who plans to vote for Obama. I have expressed to the folks here why I plan to do so, and they are free to accept all, some or none of my reasons as good enough to justify their doing the same. I completely respect their ability to make their own decisions about who they will vote for. Woo the BOWs back to Obama? Go ahead and try - it will be just more of Obama supporters misreading what Clinton's supporters want in a candidate. They don't want to be wooed or patronized, and no amount of that will win them over. And you can't woo someone "back" to some place they've never been.

And newsflash, in a close election, if 20% of the Dem voters who would have otherwise voted for the Dem candidate decide to abstain or to vote for someone else, even an irrelevant candidate, their votes will indeed be significant. With the whopping 2 point popular vote margin Gallup is reflecting now, that group could indeed be important, and could conceivably swing the election.

And actually addressing the thread's topic (for a change) I am not too harsh on the Dem congress for not passing legislation that will be vetoed when they don't have the votes to override (although my position has softened) - but I am harsh on the Dem leadership. They have capitulated to the WH on on every front and have by passing legislation it supports enabled a dunce to run our foreign policy into the sh*tter. At least (and I mean at VERY least) Reid has voted so that he could revive issues that were dead or were going the wrong way. Of course that has not come to anything, but he at least reserved the option. And bear in mind, it's the congress that people have given such a low rating to - not the democrats in congress. With Republicans marching lockstep behind the nutcase in chief, who would have expected anything else?

MrD......i doubt that anyone here, save maybe skylark and karolenna, could match the bitterness of your anti-clinton diatribes.....starting with your former name d'keyboard..........

Patsi
It is summertime, only nutcases like you and me are paying any attention. I have a feeling that both McCain and Obama will regret the money they are wasting on ads right now.
UB
The great thing about this election is every body wanting change will be able to vote for a change candidate.

OK
When a troll is probing my psychological problems, it is time to get some work done. LOL

See y'all later.

Jack

My View: I Do Not Believe Obama On The FISA Capitulation Bill
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Legislation
Posted on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 05:02:34 AM EST
But politics is disgusting. And pols do what they do. I remind Barack Obama of the words of Louis Brandeis:

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
They tell me Obama is a Constitutional scholar. I assume he is familiar with Brandeis' words. So no, I do not believe he believes this FISA Capitulation bill is good or even acceptable. I believe he is acting out of political calculation (and bad political calculation at that.) Indeed, if that is not the case, then his position is unacceptable and he is not fit to be President.
I do not believe Barack Obama. I will go further. I do not want to believe him. Because the alternative is worse. Because if Obama believes the BS he said about the FISA Capitulation bill, then he is not fit to be President. More . . .
If Barack Obama really believes this about the FISA Capitulation bill, then he is as dangerous as George W. Bush
By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/9/6234/17767

but just part of your "rules of war", eh?

lol

Mr. Democrat,
I get tired of bitterness and move on theories......
I mean. I have moved on, but that doesn´t say that I should abandon my thought process! Only because I reference to specific objects makes me bitter?....LOL. Come on fella...ya know that is not only weak, but also sad.
The thing thay you people (and I am going ot talk now the way you describe us) are afraid of, is that the bruising and scratching that was induced by the BO campaign, some of it´s afilliates (being the media) and bloggers and posters, will not be healed by a nice round of applause for HRC at a unity meeting.

Bro, this is NOT about HRC.
You know what this is?
This is about our country and every next candidate that comes after this monstrosity.
It is about our future, and the way we will conduct elections.....Think for a second.

I guess, I have decided that there really is a chance for change.....and I don't think for one minute that one man Barack Obama, is going to wave his hand and there will be change.

What I believe is that if those who support him, want change, and those who are new to voting want change, then there is a real possibility that they in turn will work for change in their own lives... If that happens,( I think the country is ripe for that) we have the opportunity for progress.

If people believe that their , small improvements, in their own lives....will make a difference they are more inclined to follow through.

All indications are pointing that way....

It is worth the effort- we have to get out of this mess...and each person has to do their individual part.

okay...stepping down....from my box..... : )

If obama is the nominee after august then I plan to vote for him just to see if a democrat can win in SC.

"....( note I didn't say "understanding" ~ that takes work ~..lol )"

Ha -- too true, burrito.

a democrat hasnt taken SC since all the democrat "dixiecrats" became republicans after LBJ.

Im hearing it said that the race this yr in SC could tighten up.....I dont believe it but I will watch......

We've been fighting for a long time about this. If people here don't want Obama as the next President, big deal. If people here don't praise him like others do, who cares? No sense in getting mad because people won't "fall in line" and back Obama.

"I am harsh on the Dem leadership. They have capitulated to the WH on on every front and have by passing legislation it supports enabled a dunce to run our foreign policy into the sh*tter"

You know, Pogo -- for so damned long I tried to excuse and make excuses for the Dem leadership. I'd tell people, "Well, they don't have a big enough majority," and other BS. But there comes a time when you just have to wonder what the hell they think they are doing.

Why was that FISA vote even brought up?

yeah, but........

"When a troll is probing my psychological problems, it is time to get some work done. LOL"

Good point, Jack!

Hey Jason,

I doubt that any Obama supporters, at least on this blog, are doing any type of wooing. This blog is a pretty unrealistic slice of what's happening in the world. Instead, this is almost like a version of talk radio, where "Crazy Patsi from Tupulo" calls in each week to state her wacky opinions. I'm just saying that the whole "I hate Obama" thing is getting tired. Saying it a million times isn't going to make someone say, "well you know, dammit I hate him too!" Just like if someone was doing the same thing with McCain. I'm just saying that it gets old. But I recognize that some on this blog need that POV to feel whatever importance they get from this blog. I'm just wondering, whether people agree with my politics or not, if others are feeling the same way?

MD, what you know about Patsi is little indeed, and what you don't know would fill volumes. Talk about bitter, talk about vitriol, you could have written the book on the subject. You played the role of thoroughly nasty bastard on this site for months, and now when you see disappointment and disaffection with your candidate, you interpret it as the same hate you spread, and somehow it's not OK now. Say what you will, post what you will, but you are what you are. You might try convincing people that Obama's positions are something they can endorse and McCain's are unacceptable for our country instead of demeaning them. Tends to be more persuasive in my experience (and newsflash, the BOWs aren't scared of seeing Roe v. Wade overturned).

that "yeah, but" was for Corey, with whom I kinda mostly totally agree.....

I think people come here for all the same reasons... to share our thoughts, our feelings, our optimism, pessimism, our joy, our anger.. you name it. If a lot of Hillary supporters feel they do not want to, or cannot support Barack Obama, that is legitimate for them. I am supporting Barack Obama now (and I think he's a good person), but my passion remains with Hillary. I don't diss any other bloggers here because they haven't joined Team Obama. I'm voting on what I perceive as "practicality politics"... with the DEMS we have a chance of significant, positive change in this country. If the Repugs win we will see more of the sh*t Bush/Cheney and Co. have brought us in these 8 long years.

Like I said a long time ago, I'd vote for an oversized Nutella Jar if I thought it would get the Repugs out of the White House.

But hey, that's just me....

Tom

pogo.....you typed a mouthful there, pilgrim.......ie very well put.....

"If obama is the nominee after august then I plan to vote for him just to see if a democrat can win in SC."

I can understand that, sturge. I've long said that if the polls show a tight race in TN, then I'll vote for the Dem candidate instead of a write-in. But I don't see that happening.

UB....
I agree that each individual has to do their part to bring about change....
I honestly believe that change does not happen with our government, but with "we the people".....

any big changes such as women getting the right to vote and civil rights was generated by individuals working hard to create a movement that forced the government to change....

you said above.... "those who support him (Obama) want change and those new to voting want change"..... am I to read into that statement that you think those of us who might not be voting for Obama don't want change?....

because, IMO..... nothing could be further from the truth.....

Yeah. but I figured that, Sturge. LOL! Hell, imagine being a diehard Michigan fan and then going to my sister's house and seeing her and all of my brother-in-law's family root for Michigan St. I got mad one day and said to my sister, "I don't know how the hell you can root for Michigan St. and NOT Michigan!" I've never been able to convert anyone there.

Why was FISA even brought to a vote?
from the comments section of the link previously posted:
"You have absolutely no idea beyond the superficial as to how legislative bodies actually operate, in particular the U.S. Senate.
Had Barack Obama -- who, after all, is the prospective Democratic presidential nominee -- merely bothered to tell his Senate Democratic colleagues that he would oppose the measure, it never would have gone to the Senate floor. Period. Once he gave the green light, only the highly principled failed to fall into line.

As it stands, Obama's action can be described at best as politically craven and manipulative. And quite frankly, I've had more than a belly full of that sort of patronizing bull$4it the past eight years. Further, I'm getting particularly tired of being told by the likes of people like you that I as a Democrat have nowhere else to go besides Obama, as though you consider my vote for the guy in the bag.

Therefore, you best understand this: independent Democrats like me don't have to go anywhere. While I will not vote for a Republican, I always reserve my option to leave my ballot blank, and Obama supporters such as yourself are now on notice that I will not allow my support and vote to be taken so cavalierly for granted.

BTD is absolutely right. If Obama truly believes his own bull$4it, he is not fit to serve in the White House in any capacity beyond that of parking valet. "

No Pogo. You've mistaken my comments for a person who cares if you all vote for Obama. I know you all have huge egos, but I don't care if you vote for Obama, vote for McCain, vote for Nader, vote for Barr or stay home and watch Oprah. I'm saying that you all are one note. You say the same things every day, all day. You talk about me, but you all spit out more insults each day than I EVER did back during the primary. And more than that, you haven't made an iota of an effort to change your attitudes. Instead, you bask in your collective sense of injustice. So again, don't worry about anyone trying to convince you about Obama policies. To try to do that would mean that we expect you to think about your decisions. That may be a bridge too far.

Renee, I believe people want others to be able to justify why they are not supporting Obama or possibly not going to vote for him.

I come here because I enjoy it......i have no yard to tend and have always enjoyed colloquy with pipples from other places, other climes......and tv sucks, so when I'm home I banter on Craig's great website.....when I first came here, it was quite a different animal, but things change and it's still here, so I am, too..........

" I'd vote for an oversized Nutella Jar if I thought it would get the Repugs out of the White House. "

ROFL Tom!

Wow -- Craig is all over NBC this morning!

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | July 9, 2008 10:01 AM

Your fanboy devotion to Obama is laudable.

Ok gang it's time to grab hands and swing our arms up and down in a group love circle and sing KUMBAYA !! The Boy Scouts were told they had to pay "rights" fees to sing the song around campfires but I think the copyright industry backed down on that one when they showed themselves to be the money grubbing "mafia" they are. :)

KUMBAYA my LORD...

Patsi, why indeed? This may be wrong, but I firmly believe that Reid and Pelosi are afraid that if they are ridiculed by the white house - and remember, it's just Dumya and that twit Dana Perino who would be doing the ridiculing - as being soft on terror, it would hurt the chances of the Dems to increase their congressional margins. Their problem is let the WH set the agenda and they don't bargain from the position of strength they have with majorities in both houses, but rather react to the Chimp's pronouncements to the press. They don't apparently have sufficient strength in the Whip positions to overcome their tepid leadership. It's no wonder congress is viewed so dimly by the voters.

vegetarian.........native american word for "lousy hunter".

bumper sticker I saw yesterday......on the other side was:

Happiness is when the horse craps in only one corner.

Corey.... methinks you hit that nail again....

sturg.... yup.... this blog has changed..... what really amuses me is the old timers here who back the candidate of "CHANGE"..... yet can't handle the change on one little blog...

My only feeling about Bye Bye's blather is that Republicans might have done well to spend more time arguing and discussing the pros and cons of their boy Bush early on, instead of just locking arms and marching.

what's that Nutella Jar's position on Immigration?

Posted by: pogo | July 9, 2008 10:08 AM

Good thoughts, Pogo....and also Lynn -- agree with your earlier posts as well.

Pogo....
I saw a graph in yesterday's Christian Science Monitor that showed Congress' approval rating is below HMOs....

can't get much lower than that......

what's that Nutella Jar's position on Immigration?

Posted by: sturgeone | July 9, 2008 10:12 AM

Open borders sturgeone. Nutella is originally from Italy, but now calls more than 100 countries home. :-D

"Nutella is more than just a “chocolaty hazelnut spread,” it is a way of life. From childhood memories to oozing hot crepes, from breakfasts on vacation, to free-spooning sessions on the couch, Nutella is present in the memories of many of the children and grown-up children in the world.

Last year we gave it its own holiday, and this year we’re continuing the tradition.

Sara from Ms. Adventures in Italy and Michelle from Bleeding Espresso (and Shelley from At Home in Rome, in spirit) solemnly declare February 5th “World Nutella Day,” 2008 - a day to celebrate, to get creative with, and most importantly, to EAT Nutella."

An immigration policy will be forthcoming.

Pogo....
I saw a graph in yesterday's Christian Science Monitor that showed Congress' approval rating is below HMOs....

can't get much lower than that......

Posted by: RebelliousRenee | July 9, 2008 10:14 AM

IS THAT POSSIBLE??? LOWER THAN HMO's? Omg... I can see it now..
in the HMO cubicle...

"Who Katrien, did you see this? We're doing great. We aren't the most loathed group of people in the country anymore! Congress beats us out...

HAPPY DANCE ! HAPPY DANCE !

I was addicted to Nutella...but it is SOOOO bad for me. I am not supposed to eat sugar...

Anyway, I switched to a artificially sweetened "nutella" and it did nasty things to my digestive system. A word to the wise... too much aspartame can cause inconvenient side effects.

Oh and Nutella for Prez... so funny and well written. I say Nutella for Prez and Illy for VP... is good?

RebelliousRenee - "am I to read into that statement that you think those of us who might not be voting for Obama don't want change?...."

No Renee....not at all...

I don't know what others want or why they support certain candidate unless they tell me. If I had to guess I would say everyone would want change...this country is in the pits...in every way

Interesting article. Athiest soldier suing the U.S. Army

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html

"Craig is exactly right" [Christina Bellatoni "Washington Times" to Monica Novotony on MSNBC.]

My usual sentiments completely...good work this morning, Craig. Always enjoy seeing and hearing you.

"You can lead a man to Congress but you can't make him think." -Milton Berle

"Nutella is originally from Italy, but now calls more than 100 countries home. :-D"

Well, I demand to see Nutella's birth certificate! AND, is Nutella a gay muslim?

No, MD I've mistaken nothing. I know you don't care how Hillary supporters vote because you think their votes are insignificant and it won't matter. You said so above. I disagree and explained why if you'd take a moment to actually read what I wrote before responding to it. And again, you use the particularly effective technique of insulting those who might actually provide support your candidate will need. "I'm saying that you all are one note." Better define who "you all" refers to. I for one am on my second note in this election, and still on the same side of the D/R continuum, and I know of at least one other person who's posted here this morning who is as well. The irony is that while I'll vote for Obama because he is IMO a better choice than McCain, in the end my vote won't matter because he has virtually no chance to win in WV. Sturg is likely the same in SC.

is Nutella "chocolatey" enough?

Bye Bye's twin explains their thinking:

"I'm not retiring until every American agrees with me."
-- Rush Limbaugh

You thought it was a joke, didja?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cauchycomplete/2295406155/

UB.... yes, I agree.... this country is in the pits in every way..... but let me expand on that thought.... this whole planet is in the pits in every way, IMO...

gee..... I've never had Nutella..... I'm beginning to realize from reading this blog that in terms of food choices.... I've been culturally deprived..... it's a hard job to change.... but for food.... it's a job I'll gladly start to tackle.... :0)

Is nutella REAL chocolate or MILK chocolate?

Confession: I have never tasted Nutella.

But, David Lee Roth almost died recently because he had a reaction to eating something with nuts. Interesting take in one music magazine: "Thank God he lived. If not, we'd be stuck with Sammy Hagar again."

Ha...

Who should replace Reid and Pelosi? Kucinich and Harkins?

Senator Feingold is speaking on FISA now.

"Update: Sending Your Obama Money to Feingold
Posted July 9, 2008 | 04:01 AM (EST)
Last night I posted a blog suggesting that Obama supporters who are angry about his about-face on the upcoming FISA legislation should take the money they would have given Obama this month and give it instead to Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI), who is carrying on the fight that Obama walked away from. Apparently the idea struck a chord. The Feingold campaign told me at midday that money was pouring in. Campaign manager George Aldrich was reluctant to give out precise numbers, but reported that the morning's donations were "not a little blip but a massive spike" up from the norm.

That's a big chunk of change that should have gone to Obama. Predictably, this infuriated many Obama supporters, but those of us who redirected our donations to Fiengold are Obama supporters too. My interest is not to derail Obama's campaign from within, but to keep a place at the table for his activist base now that the chairs are being reshuffled to accommodate the heavy hitters of national American politics. This is the point in presidential campaigns where activists usually get sent to the kitchen to eat with the staff. But maybe with this new tool we have in the Internet, we can hold on to our seat in the dining room. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/update-sending-your-obama_b_111573.html

Show me your jar of Nutella!

Renee, when the standard against which you are measured is the populariity of HMOs, you'd better completely stop caring about your popularity or dramatically change the way you do things.

I'm glad I never became a Nutella addict (Skippy is just fine and a whole lot cheaper) - I had enough trouble deciding to vote for Obama after he secured the nomination.

Does anyone know if there is an organize group (website would be helpful) that is dedicated to changing the primary system of the Democrats?

Sturg, you're much closer to the Gullah area than I. I've heard it said that Kumbaya is actually a grab from Gullah. Can you shed some light??

As one of those former Hillary supporters that has
not determined who I may vote for in November, who
visits here off & on, I have grown to respect many of the
commenter's views presented.

Pogo exrpessed it well--respecting each person's ability to make their own decisions about who they will vote for & that any attempt at "wooing" back those who have never been there or wanted to be there is in all likelihood a non-starter.

I think you've actually come up with two MoCs who would be worse than Reid & Pelosi, If that's possible.

Corey, being a diehard Michigan fan, this is just for you.

http://www.wvmetronews.com/index.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=25358

Corey, I realized the article didn't say what Rich would pay. Word is he'll pay the entire $4 million the contract required. I'd say he had a very weak case or a very poor lawyer if the best agreement he coud reach was paying what he was required to pay.

Corey....
you stated the other day that your dad is coming home and that your mother is not happy about it....

she may not like having him at home..... but even a moderate stay in a nursing home can leave the surviving spouse impoverished....

I had my eyes opened to this when my dad went temporarily into a nursing home winter before last..... when I enquired as to how to get him on Medicaid if he needed to stay there permanently, I was shocked with the answer....

it turns out that the surviving spouse has to "spend down" their assets and life savings in order for the other spouse to qualify for Medicaid....
I was told..... they can't take your mother's house or her car..... but any other assets (such as stocks, bonds, or any other investments) she had to sell..... she could only leave $2,500 in the bank and couldn't make above a certain income.....

in short..... when they say that one must be impoverished to be eligible for Medicaid..... they mean it....
your mother is definitely better off financially with your dad at home....

Sorry, XR, the first part of my last post was for you.

"You're a very unhappy person, Patsi."

So much for Mr. D's abilities in personality analysis.

Patsi is one of the funiest, most joyful, live life large people in the world.

Sorry that much strength intimidates you into a fetal ball of miserable goo.

Loved Craig's Ascot today.

New look?

Renee, Corey, we ran headlong into that issue when Mom had to go into a nursing home - thankfully she had a long term care policy that covered most of the expense, and she was pretty close to that Medicaid eligible threshold anyway, but it is a pretty cold slap in the face.

Take back the ascot. I was half asleep last time around. T-Shirt under open collar dress shirt, no tie. Same question

New look for summer?

Confirming the simmering rancor that still exists between Clinton & Obama supporters, NYT front page above the fold article:

Obama Donors Aren't Rushing to Aid Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politics/09debt.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

It suggests that there will be little unity in the forseeeable future.

jamie, I wondered. That seems a ~tad~ uppity for Craig.

Here's the multiple choice election question of the day.
One vote - pick what you are going to do, (but keep it to yourself), this is a private ballot.

A.) Vote Obama
B.) Vote McCain
C.) Vote 3rd Party (includes write in Hillary, and others )
D.) do not cast a vote for POTUS

Okay, election is over....what will you do now ?

Coreen, while I understand the reluctance of Obama supporters to help Clinton retire her campaign debt, political support is seldoma one way street, right?

From Lynn's HuffPo story link & reference...whoa! Very true about what happens in campaigns, and not just Obama's:

"My interest is not to derail Obama's campaign from within, but to keep a place at the table for his activist base now that the chairs are being reshuffled to accommodate the heavy hitters of national American politics. This is the point in presidential campaigns where activists usually get sent to the kitchen to eat with the staff. But maybe with this new tool we have in the Internet, we can hold on to our seat in the dining room. "

"Does anyone know if there is an organize group (website would be helpful) that is dedicated to changing the primary system of the Democrats?"

I'd like to know that as well, burrito. The system is the most convoluted mess I've ever seen.

RR

That spend down requirement is why so many elderly couples divorce. That way they can still care for their "former" spouse without sacrificing their life's savings.

"Okay, election is over....what will you do now ?"

Watch Obama very carefully to see just how much "change" he really brings. Because I have no doubt that he'll win this election.

“what happens when the older one does those teenage things and gets caught (as did Mr Bush's daughters)?”

Flatus,

Even at their young age they have more eloquence and probably intelligence as well than the two Bush girls had when their Dad ran, and I believe the Bush girls were in high school at that time. I don’t expect boozing, etc. from the Obama girls. The Bush girls were too much like Daddy. You can tell when the older Obama daughter talks that she is a smart one, and I believe the Obamas have limits set for their children, unlike the Bushes. I noticed when Michelle said something about ice cream later, and the older one said “we’re getting ice cream”, as if that was an unusual treat. It was a last-minute decision to have the girls join them for the interview from what I heard. I thought it went very well.

Pogo, as always you are correct-support of any type
requires both sides to adjust to the other--however between the Clinton/Obama contingents, as often expressed herein--any potential accomodation appears to be a long way off.

That is why I continue to count on you to provide articulate, reasonable reasons to consider voting for Barack Obama rather than John McCain.

Yep, I'll give Obama one thing - he makes cute kids. Of course he now has to deal with the problems using his kids in his campaign but declaring them off limits will inevitably bring. I wouldn't want to be in that position.

Love that suggestion from Craig that Mark Penn go raise the money to pay his Clinton bill since he was the one who wasted the money in the first place.

Thanks Coreen, I'll try not to disappoint you. Being a 2 issue votern this time around, it won't take long to restate what I've stated in the past.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/a-volatile-market-for-politici.html#comment-112630

LOL. Craig has that kind of sense of humor that keeps me here.

Obama Birth Certificate A Forgery?

"There has been speculation about this for a couple of weeks now, but it turns out that the birth certificate hosted on Daily Kos and then subsequently on Obama’s own web page was indeed a forgery. I have been convinced, based on the pixalation of the birth certificate, that the letters have been manipulated by some kind of photo editing software."

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1684

Obama flipflops on the use of his children for campaigning :)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Barack Obama says he has had second thoughts about allowing his daughters to give a TV interview and he wants to keep them out of the media spotlight.

"Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake whole relationships."
~ Sharon Stone ~

GORDO haven't you heard ? Obama wasn't even really born.

For my part, I didn't mind the O-kids being on Access Hollywood....mainly because I know some of those producers and understand just how big a coup it was for them. I guess David Schuster won't be saying O was "pimping" them out....

Cute girls, and seemingly pretty normal and smart. A little odd for girls that age to care whether their dad's trousers and belt were old and out of date....but I assume they are just repeating what they've heard their mother say.

But other than that -- I didn't think the Bush twins should have taken the heat they did for being relatively normal -- sometimes rowdy -- college kids.

I really hate meanspirited comments made toward any politicians children. I got sick enough of that crap when people were taking shots at JFK Jr.

Will the real anonymous stand up?

Did anyone see the movie : "The Stepford Wives" with Nicole Kidman?

I hope some of you have :))

UB,
I allready know my choice. But I am not allowed to say.

"The system is the most convoluted mess I've ever seen." Is it any wonder the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world successfully make fun of Democrats? Our nominating process tends to be a model for the approach to legislating that ultimately results in long, convoluted pieces of legislation with more potential for ambiguity and holes you can drive trucks through in the name of being fair. It, like the legislation that we need passed to straighten out the mess this country is in needs to be straightforward and concise. Fat Chance of that happening.

GORDO haven't you heard ? Obama wasn't even really born.

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | July 9, 2008 11:24 AM

LMPO....I am dying over here...LMPO

Gordo, Obama's birth certificate is SO last month. We are now investigating Nutella's true citizenship.

Jason,
but the question was what do you do after the election? you are allowed to say....

"Did anyone see the movie : "The Stepford Wives" with Nicole Kidman?"

yes I did! Not quite as chilling as the original, I thought...but was glad they didn't all get turned into robots!

okay...have a great day everyone....I have to get to work before I fire myself.

ciao

"Our nominating process tends to be a model for the approach to legislating that ultimately results in long, convoluted pieces of legislation with more potential for ambiguity and holes you can drive trucks through in the name of being fair."

Spot on, Pogo.

"Did anyone see the movie : "The Stepford Wives" with Nicole Kidman?"

yes I did! Not quite as chilling as the original, I thought...but was glad they didn't all get turned into robots!

Posted by: Patsi | July 9, 2008 11:32 AM

Good,
and we are also not supposed to be robots falling in line after being wooed!
That is my point.....

Gallup: Obama Leads McCain By A Hair In Potentially Ominous July Polling
July 9th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief

The tepid good news from Gallup for Democratic Presidential presumptive nominee Senator Barack Obama is that he still leads Republican Presidential presumptive nominee Senator John McCain but by a hair — 46 to 44 percent, indicating a race that is now getting closer.

The bad news from Gallup is that the candidate who leads in July has in many cases — particularly in most recent political history — lost the general election.

But the truly bad news for Obama which Gallup doesn’t note is that in a time with soaring gas prices, signs that the economy should immediately check into an Urgent Care facility, and President George Bush’s numbers perhaps now ranked below that of salmonella, Obama is now part of polling that shows a sharply divided and polarized electorate. As Obama himself comes under fire for moving to the center (which he denies he’s doing) and some key Clinton supporters signal more interest in payback rather than supporting Obama for President, the Illinois Senator is seemingly stalled.

Jason,
but the question was what do you do after the election? you are allowed to say....

Posted by: unlikely_burrito | July 9, 2008 11:31 AM

Sorry, I didn´t catch that.....LOL

After......
Just like I did the past 8 years. Follow the man critically.
Although seen as I am independent now I will probably be more vocal and less of a person looking at the party behind the man. I will be more focussed on what the man does for the country and not at which party he is from.

"and President George Bush’s numbers perhaps now ranked below that of salmonella"

Call me stupid or call me dum, but I think this is a quote which I will never ever forget....This one is priceless.....

"and we are also not supposed to be robots falling in line after being wooed!
That is my point....."

Ha! Very true Jason....

Oh, jeejee -- I actually sort of misrepresented exactly what was going on in Nicole Kidman's Stepford Wife version. In the original, they were making robots. Not really in this one....so watch with no fear.

Mark Penn and Karen Hughes are going into business together. Between his "great success" with the HRC campaign, and Hughes' grand plan to make the Arab world love us....well, would you hire this crowd?

Coreen,

Please, consider voting for Obama, because

1. mccain is committed to a policy of voluntary corporate adherence to carbon emission guidelines to slow the increase in global warming.

Cutting away the obfuscatory verbiage, this policy proposes that we pollute our way out of the problem.

2. mccain's statements following the SCOTUS rulings against the unlawful detensions and torturings of prisoners demonstrates that he sees presidential power as unlimited by Constitution, Amendment, or Statute. He'll do things his way.

3. mccain is squishy-soft on human trafficking, the modern slave trade, a business that turns violence against women into money. He is also one of those Navy flyer lads who invented and passed on the shameful and violent Tailhook tradition.

4. mccain's plan to stay in Iraq will cost $1000 per American per year "for a century." He proposes to coupled this profligacy with lower taxes for the wealthiest caste. The result will be continued massive borrowing at ever higher interest rates, cheapening the dollar, and thus cheating creditors out of the value due to them. This is called inflation, and it will make anything you purchase from a foreign source far more expensive.

If you are ever going to purchase something made in China, Japan, or Germany, you owe it to yourself to vote for Obama.

"The Obama self-Swiftboating comes from a month of decisions that, while perhaps better tuning the policy positions of the campaign to what is good, or true, or right, or even expedient, completely undermine Obama's signal virtue -- that he's different. We've handed the other side a string of examples that they will now use to argue (as Senator Graham did most effectively on Meet the Press) that Obama is nothing different, he's just another politician, and that even if you believe that McCain too is just another politician, between these two ordinary politicians, pick the one with the most experience.

The Obama campaign seems just blind to the fact that these flips eat away at the most important asset Obama has. It seems oblivious to the consequence of another election in which (many) Democrats aren't deeply motivated to vote (consequence: the GOP wins).

Instead, and weirdly, the campaign seems focused on the very last thing a campaign should be doing during a campaign -- governing. This is not a try-out. A campaign is not a dry run for running government. Yet policy wonks inside the campaign sputter policy that Obama listens to and follows, again, apparently oblivious to how following that advice, when inconsistent with the positions taken in the past, just reinforces the other side's campaign claim that Obama is just another calculating, unprincipled politician.

The best evidence that they don't get this is Telco Immunity. Obama said he would filibuster a FISA bill with Telco Immunity in it. He has now signaled he won't. When you talk to people close to the campaign about this, they say stuff like: "Come on, who really cares about that issue? Does anyone think the left is going to vote for McCain rather than Obama? This was a hard question. We tried to get it right. And anyway, the FISA compromise in the bill was a good one."

http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html
Lessig is described as an "uber Obama supporter."

Saw Craig on MSNBC this a.m. and was somewhat disappointed when he did not correct the comment that Obama's supporters don't want to pay off Hillary's loan to herself for her campaign. Hillary stated specifically she was not looking for reimbursement of her loans to her campaign - only contributions to pay off her vendors. And no comment by Craig when the comment was made that one of Hillary's supporters dissed the $100,000 raised so far for Hillary - I would have dissed it too - Obama can raise over $25 mil in a month and can only raise $100,000 for Hillary? Sounds like little or no effort to me. And as a Hillary supporter, I'm getting daily e-mails asking me to contribute to Obama. Not likely, until I see Obama AND his supporters treating Hillary AND her supporters with more respect. If you want unity, you have to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

"And that the corporations get to pay for this advice. Priceless"

dog -- Exactly. People failing upward have made this country what it is....

I still am under the rug about the salmonella comment.

somebody slap me......LOL

"But the credulity with which the mainstream media has automatically accepted as valid the image that appears on the radical left Daily Kos blog and on the Obama campaign's polemical "Fight the Smears" website makes it clear that many have been unwilling, now and in the past, to demand proof of an authentic document. They prefer to accept on faith that the candidate or his campaign would not lie about such a thing, assuming he has nothing to hide and no motive to lie.

But until the certified paper birth document is produced -- either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state -- the fact remains that Obama has not proven that he is a "natural born citizen" eligible to be President according to the Constitution. "

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

Okay, it is nearly 6.30 in the evening here in Amsterdam...Going to play some tennis y´all.
Be civil gang

Every remark and opinion should be dealth with respectfully. Humanity starts with us

Stay true

"I still am under the rug about the salmonella comment.
somebody slap me......LOL"

Virtual smack going out to Jason....I missed the original salmonella comment...who said it?

Maybe Salmonella can be Nutella's VP?

The MSM is not giving this "Baby Bin Ladin" tape sufficient attention or importance. In the past few hours the media seems to have taken it a little more seriously....but I think this just showcases the level of hatred Bush hath wrought. And not just with a Bin Ladin Jr -- but with millions of young muslims who now see us as the Great Satan.

I don't care who is our next president, the hole Bush has dug us into is going to be almost impossible to fill.

Jason, you're probably out the door by now, but I want to say how closely your parents' experience campaigning in North Carolina mirrored what I sensed was happening here in South Carolina.

I thought the way the campaign was conducted here was shamefully insidious. And they didn't need to do it--they would have been better off losing than racializing Democratic politics at a time when meaningful coalitions were being built. His candidacy might well have prevailed based simply on the message he was presenting.

I just don't think history will look favorably at what happened in the Carolinas.

Democrat58,

Craig may not have seen what Mrs Clinton wrote, in part, in her June 25th email to her financial supporters:

"...As you know, I had to loan money to my campaign at critical moments. I'm not asking for anyone's help to pay that back. That was my investment and my commitment because I believe so deeply in our cause.

But I do need your help paying the debts we accrued to others over the course of this campaign. We put everything we had into winning this race, and we came just about as close as you can. ..."

I'm noticing a lot of anger this morning...the general tone is F#$ party unity. That's fine but I will only accept your position if you could say that had Hillary Clinton won the nomination and Obama supporters were making the same statements, you would be okay with it. I suspect there apoplectic anger directed to the Obamic"rats", or obama appeasers, traitors, etc. would be at a fever pitch already.

Jason,

The whole point of politics is to first gain the support of the people most likely to vote for you and then branch out from there. I don't remember Hillary running as the women's candidate. Obama didn't start running as the black candidate. He didn't start winning the black vote until South Carolina. This happened only because he won in Iowa and run strong in New Hampshire. So I disagree with your premise that Obama ran just a racial campaign. Had he done so from the start he would have lost.

Also remember that the Clinton campaign was foolish enough to put themselves in a position to look bad in front of the Black Community. Interpret how you want Pres. Clinton's comments after the SC results but that was his Wife's Dukakis in the tank moment.

The I see how this campaign has digressed already, the more I'm convinced that being a voter today is like going to a strip club.

You pay a price just to get in the door.
You have a lot of people working the room and the more money you show, the more attention you get.
The good ones lead you to believe that they really like you.
The better ones lead you to think you can take them home.
You don't realize they aren't what they seem...
Ultimately, the only thing they are going home with is your money.

Bravo to Lynn C - You get my vote for post of the day on BO & FISA.

"Maybe Salmonella can be Nutella's VP?"

Sam Ol Nella is a well known commodity

We can't be sure what New Tella might do.

Vote for Sam!!!

Bear.... funny.... I noticed a lot of humor in here this morning....

heard an excellent program on Diane Rehm's second hour with guest David Sirota who wrote a book entitled "The Uprising".... he's a self labeled progressive and the book is about how frustrated Republicans and Democrats could lay the ground work for a new populist movement.....

one of the more interesting things he said (at least to me)... was that a populist movement could just as easily come from the right as well as the left..... and that historically, the left usually failed to see it coming.....

one more book I'd love to have in my "to read" pile.....

Botchulism for Secretary of the Interior!

"I'm noticing a lot of anger this morning"

Yea, that Mr Democrat he does carry around a lot of anger.

Jack

Pogo,

The Kucinich and Harkins suggestions were meant to lure counter-proposals, rather that to promote them as candidates for SotH & SML.

Harkins' passion and oratory, exemplified by his deft dismantling of the prosecution during the Senate trial of President Clinton, will always endear him to me.

Anyway, if we can't stand the 'leadership' of pro-bushcheneymccain crime family Democrats, then who should take over in January?

oops forgot

~~ ~~

Jack

I sure hope that GORDO keeps up the birth certificate schtick through Obama's second inaugural and the farewell address.

Jack, thanks for the song last night. I just watched it this morning.

I hadn't thought about LJD for years. Wonder where she is now? Anyway, she was real big on the country charts when my little sister bought her first cocker spaniel puppy. She registered it as Lacy J. Doggie, because it looked just like her.

As a Hillary supporter I have received no Obama e-mails.

I have received a couple of letters. I simply write "return to sender" and put them back in the mail.

Wake up Democrats. We are heading to a loss in November.

"Instead, this is almost like a version of talk radio, "where "Crazy Patsi from Tupulo" calls in each week to state her wacky opinions." -MD

ROFL, Sorry Patsi. If anything the blog's good for a chuckle or two to get one going. :-)

"Botchulism for Secretary of the Interior!
"

ROFL, PoU....

where you been Rezdog? been missing your humor.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"carry around a lot of anger."

Well, I wasn't angry today until now. I have been hearing about a new Mexican restaurant...a little pricey but worth it. So I trucked over there for lunch and spent almost $20 on food that was inedible. So, yeah...I am now an angry old broad.

RE: Crazy Patsi from Tupelo....hmmm

Well, Rez, in my family the joke among the right wing COMPLETE nut jobs has been: "Shall we try to talk politics with Aunt Patsi, or just kill ourselves."

Now that same crowd is all Obama all the time. So I am still the crazy aunt.....and they are still waiting for the slow boat to Guyana....

hola HD,

Had to get back to reality a bit for love and money. lol, just creeping up around here like that infamous "indian underwear"

"Yo Rez,,
Sup?"

ROFL...."Yo man, how's it hangin'? I'm cool...yeah, bro...."

"I hadn't thought about LJD for years. Wonder where she is now?"

Jeejee
You will have to ask Patsi, she is the one with all the inside information on Nashville. I am like you I hadn't thought of her in years until Patsi posted a youtube last night a duet with her and David Alan Coe.

Jack

Oregon Demo...

I find your fatalistic attitude a bit troubling. I know the world thinks American's are a bit jingoistic but I think our most refreshing quality is a willingness to fight, especially in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds.

Patsi...your Mexican debacle typifies any attempt I make to find Northeast style chinese food here in the DFW area...

JeeJee -- Lacy is an activist for the wild horses in Nevada....she still does shows but is primarily working for her foundation:

http://www.letemrun.com/Lacy-Bio.htm

Patsi it is the old George Carlin rap where all his Irish friends are going around sounding black.

Jack

but Bear this ain't the Northeast. This is DFW.

I talked to a cowboy one day out in west Texas that was griping about how people come to a small town and then find out it is not exactly like it was back home. So they open a pizza place and then someone else opens a Chinese place and pretty soon the new place looks like the place they just came from. It was his contention that if you don't find what you are looking for in the new place go home. You obviously liked it better. just saying...

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Who the F@#$ puts jalapenos in fried rice?

Which reminds me...did Craig break another body part? He was wearing the black tee shirt on MSNBC this morning and that's his broken limb uniform...

Also, Craig, do you have a pony tail now?

Bear -- "Patsi...your Mexican debacle typifies any attempt I make to find Northeast style chinese food here in the DFW area..."

Damn. The chinese food here is pretty ugly as well....

We had one decent German restaurant, where the schnitzel (one of my favorites) was excellent....then it closed. Unless you want Southern food, Nashville is pretty bad. Actually, now there are more decent Mexican places than some years back. I just won't be taking any chances again.

I wasn't planning on voting for McCain way back when he was the entertaining, Maverick, Straight Shooter. The intervening years have not been kind to him. It is almost sad to see him these days. He really doesn't seem at all interested in campaigning, just going through the motions.

Dooty,

You just gave me greater incentive to add a Patriots flag to my Celtics and Red Sox flags that already fly in the front of the abode...lol

Bear, on an economic note, a couple of chinese places here have stopped putting egg fu yung on the buffet line because of the cost of eggs.

Free country go ahead but don't call it a hate crime. LOL

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

"He really doesn't seem at all interested in campaigning, just going through the motions."

I know, Jamie -- McCain and his whole operation is a strange thing to behold. Sacrificial goat, IMO.

Jamie,

The ironic thing about your last post is that if it was the McCain of 2000, he would win going away. Just like when Bush ran in 1988 or 1992. If it was the Bush of 1980, he would have won easily. In both cases, you had fiscal but common sense conservatives who were more moderate on most social issues.

Once they decided that they wanted to be president, they started to parrot the right wing mantra and thus we have what we have.

Which reminds me, am I the only one who notices how much the morning people on MSNBC seem to fellate McCain and Romney?

Patsi,

I used to go to a Meat and 3 over in I think East Nashville somewhere near the Nashville High School. You had to step down several steps to enter the small eating space. You could feel your arteries clogging as you walked in. It was good.

¡yo soy Horsdooty!

What a black sound like Jack? lol

Bear

Vietnamese, Thai, and Cambodians all load down their food with chiles.
I've noticed that chinese restuarants are good at adapting to local conditions.
When the Vietnamese boat people were turned loose in northern Arkansaw in the late 80's many of them migrated north to Springfield MO. Over night every geasey burger drivein turned into a Chinese restaurant.
They created a dish just for the local taste. It was called Cashew chicken but unlike any cashew chicken I've ever seen anywhere else. Deep fried chunks of chicken on a bed of rice, smothered with a brown sauce garnished with cashews and chopped green onions.
Meat and gravy just like Ozarkers like it and they sold a ton of it.
Jack

Running to the casino buffet for lunch. all the talk of food made me hungry. Later all.

Jack, just yanking you brother, I got called on it for saying the same thing once. I'll let you know my my response after dinner.. lol

Bear

Not all that sure he would win, but at least it would be a contest. He's just coming off as doddering through rote speeches, hardly able to work up enough energy to tell the same stale joke for the hundredth time.

You feel as if you should tell him to go home, sit in the
La Z Boy and watch the news while making ol' codger noises. I've seen some 90 year old men with more spunk, critical thinking skills, and pizazz.

pogo posted: while I understand the reluctance of Obama supporters to help Clinton retire her campaign debt, political support is seldoma one way street, right?

is that surplus 26 million of HRCs for the GE still available to be "traded" for some help on her primary debt?

Rez

Certainly not like Mr Democrat.

Go get the album and see

Jack

Did anyone else catch the preliminary FISA votes this morning? More interesting than the vote (all the amendments failed, quite miserably) was the Clinton - Obama drama.
Hillary hung out on the Senate floor for the duration -- chatting with this and that group of Senators and playing with her hair in a way I have never seen her do before.
Obama came and went, occasionally surrounded by one group or another of male Senate colleagues. Not once did he approach Sen Clinton, nor greet her, even though the place where she was standing required that he pass her on his way in and out of the chamber.

BTW, 98 senators were present -- one amendment garnered 42 votes, the others less than 35.
The back story on why the Dems "caved" and held the vote is that the Blue Dogs in the House were collecting signatures to bring the original version up under a suspension of the rules.

XR, sorry for the delay - had to run out and buy doors and windows and such. I don't have any suggestions at the moment for the congressional leaders for the respective houses. Most of the ones that strike me as leaders don't have the seniority to pullit off. I'll think about it and get back with you.

Patsi, what browser do you use? btw, really anonymous was the author of the salmonella crack.

Interesting way to hunt mice: If she had killed herself, she would have gotten a Darwin award.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-odd/20080709/shoots.self.mice/

The news in weird is good today. How to handle a drunk husband:

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL0919437820080709?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews

Clinton voted with Feingold Dodd etc to oppose cloture.

patdn: The FEC will have to rule on how that can be worked out and they did not have a quorum until recently.
One assumes that she could ask to donate that money to the DNC, but the DNC cannot donate money to her to pay her primary debts down.
On the other hand, considering the reluctance of some of Sen Clintons big-money backers to donate to Sen Obama, the persons who donated the money might have something to say about it ... such as wanting the money back.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/fisa-final-votes-on-the-fisa-amendments-act/#comments

link to list of Senators and their votes.

Obama went with Lieberman and most other Democrats on the HR 6304 FISA vote.

Clinton went with Feingold and Boxer and smaller group voting no.

maggisd

Still no quorum at the FEC

oops my bad
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2008/07/fec_back_up_tomorrow.html

It will be interesting to see which of the many issues they take up first.

My senators Cantwell and Murray went with the no vote crowd. Good going ladies.

Whisky,

Don't get me wrong...I love hot bean paste and chili paste too. As a matter of fact, there is a chinese place in RI that as soon as I walked in, they would bring me THEIR pot of hot chili paste to put on my food...

I loved the way the oil separated from the paste so you could splash the hotness or get it nice and sticky...

I don't know if it's ironic or just plain confusing but for some reason, the only restaurants I've seen owned by chinese are donut shops...

Senate just passed FISA bill 69-28. Don't know yet how everyone voted.

patdn, good question - someone with more experience in the area of campaign finance may be able to answer that - I cannot.

LOL at the food discussion - We've got 2 Mexican restaurants here (not including Taco Hell, of course), 2 chinese restaurants and one Japanese rest. The Japanese rest. is the best BY FAR, although the Mexican restaurants are both good in their own ways. The chinese restaurants absolutely suck except for a few of the fresh dishes one of them has, but it is such a hole that you feel as if you need to shower when you leave. The other chinese restaurant is primarily a buffet - with 6 double sided 12 foot long buffet tables, yep that's 144 running feet of mediocre and worse chinese-like and american food. Oddly enough it has a good Mongolian grill and some very good sushi. And yes, they have cashew chicken and no egg foo yung. The kids love it as much as they love CiCi's for pizza. The wierd thing is that there is no decent Barbeque or fried chickekn to be found here. Goes to show that no matter how many confederate battle flags they have on their pickup trucks, WV ain't really part of the south.

KGC: The new nominees were accepted a week or so ago. Have they not yet been sworn in?

Egg fu yung? Haven't seen that one at any Chinese restaurant for years. Course, it's pretty easy to make if one really gets a craving.
To get really good Chinese food out here (and really good Deli) one has to go to LA. But, if you like Thai, Vietnamese, or Baja-style Mexican food, San Diego is the place to come.

Jamie,

I have a better story for you.

My mother grew up in a small town in Haiti. Down the street from her was a woman who had a raging drunk for a husband. He was a beater as well.

One night he came home and complained that there were too many beans in his rice. He beat her badly enough to break her nose and jaw. She waited for him to fall asleep and proceed to fill up her largest pot with water and oil. She brought it to a boil and proceed to dump the entire pot on his genitals. My mom could hear the scream down the street.

The husband had everything amputated that night. He died a couple of weeks later from the severe infection that he developed from the initial wound.

Pogo,

I think I live within 5 miles of at least 30 Japanese/sushi places, which I think is strange for cattle country. Thank God you can't go wrong at one of those places.

maggisd

The only excuse I have is: I must have been drunk the day the FEC appointments came out. I missed it completely.

Just a side note, the birth certificate story has an FEC connection to it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Isn't this convenient for those running for president? All three are "Senators", and all three know no effective FEC can act against them. Thus Barack Obama brazenly refuses to show his birth certificate, claiming to have been born in Honolulu, when the evidence indicates that he was actually born in Kenya and in fact is an illegal alien, having served illegally as a U.S. Senator. John McCain brazenly held a fund raising event March 20, 2008 in London's "Spencer House", sponsored by Lord Rothschild and Nathaniel Rothschild (see "The Guardian-London April 29, 2008). Hillary Clinton, not to be out done has also accepted illegal foreign contributions from Sir Elton John, Illegally, because he is a foreign national.

If you want to vote for a respectable, legal contender for president you have two choices. You can vote for Bob Barr a Libertarian, or you can write in "Ron Paul".

http://www.caswellmessenger.com/articles/2008/07/08/opinion/opinion01.txt

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bear

Admittedly very painful. I just liked the press and fold aspect of sort of ironing him to death. : )

Maggie

Drive down to Ensenada. There used to be a truly wonderful Chinese restaurant in the Mexican part of town away from the tourista main drag. They had been there for several generations. A family business after the railroads were built.

Bear, having not lived in a real city with real ethnic food offerings (other than Italian) in the past 15 years, and living in the backwoods of NH then Richmond for the 9 years before that, sushi was something that I had never been exposed to until LP decided he loved the Chinese buffet restaurant here. I love it now. I'm a huge salmon fan, and that's what they seem to have the best of there. I probabaly don't eat it properly, but I couldn't care less - it's delicious. It almost clears my sinuses just thinking about that greenish mustard they put out for it.

"Which reminds me, am I the only one who notices how much the morning people on MSNBC seem to fellate McCain and Romney?"

No kidding....they are literally slobbering.

Jamie: Actually, we have one really good Chinese restaurant in town and it happens to be almost at my back door. But, we no longer have any Cantonese-style places.

As for Ensenada, perhaps we'll feel safe driving there soon again. Now that we have drug wars and police assassinations on an almost daily basis, I've become a little fearful of the drive. Most I've done in recent years is take the trolley to TJ and walk across the border.

But, I'll look up the restaurant...I'm sure it will be listed in a local guide if it still exists.

Pogo: Wasabi. Japanese horse radish. And yes, it does clear the sinuses, doesn't it?

"What a black sound like Jack? lol"

You ever seen any of these little white redneck rappers? Then you'd know what THEY think a black "sound" like, Rez....

Pogo: I'm certain they'll have a lot of sushi at the Democratic convention ... it meets all the criteria.

Ahhh, wasabi. Of course. Good point about the food at the convention, maggs - and I'm still trying to figure out what foods are blue and purple (other than fruits and berries, that is).

"Patsi, what browser do you use? "

You mean internet explorer?

pogo: My least favorite food ... beets. I envision a beet and arugula salad with herbed goat cheese and a lovely blueberry vinaigrette.

Patsi, yep - IE has a very useful search tool for blogs like this. Under the edit feature on the toolbar under the address line there is a Find On This Page button that you can enter a term - e.g. salmonella - and it will find it on the page for you, which is how I found that really anonymous was the author of the line.

beets are the bomb

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE0DC113AF933A05755C0A96F958260&scp=6&sq=beets&st=cse

Beets are the devil’s root. That’s what I always say. Or, that’s what I used to say.

I’ve never been a huge fan of beets and was dismayed by this fact for years. The beautiful jewel-toned roots taunted me, as did most of my beet-loving friends and family.

My aversion was strong, but when I read Jeffrey Steingarten’s “The Man Who Ate Everything,” and came across his story about getting over dislikes, I decided to investigate.
http://www.cookingguidelive.com/cooking-channel/the-accidental-vegetarian-learning-to-love-a-beet-3.html

I had beets in my farm share box last week. I too have never been a fan of the beet but I'm trying because it is so good for you.

"She waited for him to fall asleep and proceed to fill up her largest pot with water and oil. She brought it to a boil and proceed to dump the entire pot on his genitals."

Sweet Jeezus!

now that sounds wonderful maggs. I do have to admit to liking beets in one certain prepared form - pickled.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/nutrition/BJ770.html

KGC: I refuse to try again to eat a food that makes me shiver when I see other people eat it ... no matter how good for me it is. I will not be reconciled to beets. I am unanimous in that.

"I envision a beet and arugula salad with herbed goat cheese and a lovely blueberry vinaigrette."

I'm not sure about the blueberry vinaigrette
But the rest of it .....
I love fresh beets, can't understand how anyone could dislike them. and a Sharp goat cheese, yum

Jack

Pogo: A lot of people do, and I have been told by beet fanciers that roasted beets are quite wonderful. And I say, good for them! I am not overly fond of rutabaga or parsnips either, come to think of it.

I'm tellin' ya, pickled. (And if you've never had pickled peaches and pickled watermelon rind, ya ain't lived.)

I'm not of the PUMA crowd. I'm more the Adidas crowd. All Day I Dream About Sex. LOL!

pogo....
I really like pickled beets too..... but brussels sprouts will NEVER cross my lips again no matter how they're prepared.....

I also have an aversion to fish.... unless it's deep fried and smothered in tartar sauce..... I know salmon is suppose to be good for you..... but I can't get it past my nose.....

Bear.... the Red Sox are leading the Minnesota Twins 7-5 at the moment in the 7th inning.... if they win.... it'll be a sweep of the series....

Jack: Fruit vinaigrette dressings can be delightful. I have to admit I've not done one with blueberries yet (I was thinking of the color requirements for the Democratic convention) but I've done all the citruses, of course (try tangerine vinaigrette on a bulgar wheat salad with appropriate veggies) as well as raspberry, pomegranate (particularly good with field greens, sweet and hot pecans and stilton, peach, and apricot ... the trick is that the salad needs to feature bitter greens ... such as watercress, arugula, frisee as well as some sort of crunch ...

maggisd
I have only recently understood that foods taste different to different people. I love cilantro and want to put it in everything but I have a few friends who think it tastes like soap.

There are a few things off my list as well.

"I love fresh beets, can't understand how anyone could dislike them. and a Sharp goat cheese, yum

Jack "
I made a beet pizza and used parm and mozzeralla
and we all agreed goat cheese would have hit the spot.

Stinky says she'd like tuna casserole for dinner; her wish is my command.

Cilantro--brings up the most negative memories of a place many thousands of miles away.

The only way I eat beets is to wash them leave about 5" of the stem attached , boil them until tender. remove them from the hot water to a bowl of cool water. Remove the stem and place in a seperate bowl.
The skin will slip off the beet , slice into the serving bowl and add several pats of butter, salt and serve. Take the stems or as we always called them the beet tops and add vinegar to serve as a seperate dish.
I will eat beets pickled but seems like a waste to me.

Jack

Renee: Food tastes are so strange, aren't they? Fish of almost any type is very high on my list, and I adore Brussels sprouts. Of course, I didn't learn to love them until a friend showed me that they could be sauteed with appropriate seasonings and didn't have to be boiled to death.
My trick for most leafy green vegetables is chipotle pepper flakes ...

I've never met a rutabaga or parsnip I could abide. My mom tried to get me to eat rutabagas once - the words that come to mind are "almost hurled." I think I may have accidentally eaten parsnips once - I recall a sharp bitter taste This blurb from Wiki tells me enough about parsnips.

"In the United States, most states have wild parsnip on their list of noxious weeds or invasive species."

I'm sure there are those who would say cultivated parsnips are wonderful. I don't really plan to explore their contention.

Doots -- The very best meat & three when I moved here 25 years ago was a place near Vandy and Music Row, called Mack's -- Beans, Greens & Cornbread. God that food was good -- and they made the best chicken fried steak I ever had, including in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas.

It was the place where most of the rockers made a bee line for when they hit town.

It is now a sushi restaurant. How low the mighty have fallen.

Renee, a nurse is at my parents house right now checking on my Dad. He has black diarrhea today. Probably not a good thing. I just got back from 3 1/2 hours at the beach. 4-6ft waves on Lake Michigan today.

KGC, Flatus: I dislike cilantro...you can imagine how well that works out for someone who loves Mexican food. I also don't much care for basil ... although I adore oregano.
IMH goat cheese is one of the best foods in the world ... it is practically perfect. I am trying to remember the name of the brand I love ... KGC you might know it because it's from up your way ... something like Purple Fog ... it's a herbed goat cheese...we can only get it here at Whole Foods.

Obama silent on reason for visiting building today:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_el_pr/obama;_ylt=ApoOUouLkzaplE.y5zQCD3Ss0NUE

Renee -- Hope you are still online. Here's a link to the site my daughter is trying to put together. (She's just getting started and definitely needs to get her brother to help with this.)

These are just a few of the things she makes...was wondering if you think they'd sell at a crafts fair.

http://purplecowkids.blogspot.com/

maggisd

Perhaps Humboldt Fog?

Renee, you and Mrs. P have your love of fish in common - except she doesn't like fish fried and thinks she likes seafood (Flounder, Monkfish and mahimahi are OK with her) When she orders fish I always order something I know she'll love - then I get to trade and get the fish - almost all of which I love.

Corey, Adidas? LOL that is terrific.

Well, I have to go - LP has entered us in a father-son golf tournament - as if I don't get enough frustration in my day job. I predict a last place finish.

Manana.

pogo: Your story reminds me of the time my daughter stayed over for dinner at a friends home. They had home-made soup for dinner, and the Mom told me that my daughter had loved it and asked for seconds. The ingredients included rutabaga, parsnips and cabbage. Rather amazed, I asked my daughter when she got home if she had really enjoyed the soup and she said no, she hated it. So then why did you ask for seconds, "I didn't want to be impolite," she responded.

As mothers will I couldn't help but wonder why she never hesitated to be impolite about the meals she didn't like at home.

Parsnips and other roots vegetables have never been on my radar but I am trying to eat locally and seasonally so I'm trying a lot of things not previously in my consciousness.

When I have cilantro and basil together I think of Thailland and Vietnam (hmmmmpho)

My first run in with fresh Cilantro was in the *0'saco Bell did a brief experiment with a salsa bar Then they did a 39 cent taco nights. We used to get off of work and go to taco bell and pigout. We may have been the reason they ended the salsa bar.. Any way I bit into a taco and thought they had spilt their countertop cleaner on it, it was that strong and nasty tasting. It took me a couple of time to realise it was the fresh salsa with cilantro that I was tasting. Avoid it and the problem went away.
Now that I know about it I can avoid it or tolerate it in small amounts.

Jack

Patsi....
the things your daughter makes are adorable!...... and yes... I think they'd sell....
in my experience.... kid stuff sells very well....

Corey.... sorry to hear you dad is having a bad day......

maggisd.... I LOVE the fact that we all have different tastes in food..... and political opinions too.....

pogo.... I love parsnips..... especially in a boiled dinner..... they're so sweet....

maggs, your daughter was brought up right. My son wouldn't have been so polite.

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Hmmm it's amazing what happens when you snap ..

Me, I waited until he fell asleep, then woke him w/ a butcher knife at his throat .. told him if he ever hit me again, he wouldn't see the next day .. he never did ...

But then, I hadn't, like this woman, been beaten over & over again ...

KGC: Yes...that's it. Thank you. I know it when I see it, of course, but I just hate not being able to think of names right off ... if you hadn't known I would have obsessed about it all day (and thought of it at 3 a.m.)
I first bought it because it's a California product, but I was happy to find it is really quite good. I make very few exceptions to buying California-produced food ... although I will make an exception for Tillamook.

Merkel uneasy over Obama Brandenburg Gate address:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_el_pr/obama_germany;_ylt=Ar.imFvx4w7g78AqWtzuGI6yFz4D

Corey: Thanks for the url...I find it odd that he is to hold a fundraiser with Hillary tonight and yet, from what I could see, he avoided her like the plague on the Senate floor. In fact, he almost had to go out of his way to do so.

what does all the left-wing obamaheads think about
obama's stance on the iraq war now''
looks like bill clinton was right 'his past position
was all just a fary-tale

"Rather amazed, I asked my daughter when she got home if she had really enjoyed the soup and she said no, she hated it. So then why did you ask for seconds, "I didn't want to be impolite," she responded. "

What a great daughter! Job well done, Maggi!

Corey: I don't get the point of a big open-air address in Germany, and I don't think it's appropriate for a candidate. Even if the Wall were still in place, he is not yet President, and it's my instinct that such an occasion might actually backfire here at home.

I know he is counting on a huge turnout of eager younger voters and urbane urban types, but there's still a lot of old geezers who vote and who might be troubled by the idea of an American Presidential candidate running an international campaign.

"I waited until he fell asleep, then woke him w/ a butcher knife at his throat .. told him if he ever hit me again, he wouldn't see the next day .. he never did ..."

Damn! Way to go, Viv!

WOW!....

the Red Sox are batting in their half of the 7th inning...... they're now leading 14 -5.... and there's still only one out......

Jack.... I can take cilantro in small amounts also.....
my favorite herb by a mile is basil...... I love to saute chopped onions, red peppers, and zucchinis in olive oil sprinkled with garlic salt and a heaping mess of basil....

Corey

Sorry about your dad. A stressful time for any family.
Although there are not as many as there should be, there are resources especially to povide relief for your mother as the primary care giver.

It sounds like her church group might be a good resource.

Patsi: She is a great person, my daughter. She has a most generous soul. I remember the day she came home soaking wet after a shopping excursion and I was just furious (she has had pneumonia several times in her life) and she told me that she HAD to give her umbrella to a homeless person because he needed it and she knew we could afford to buy another one.
Unfortunately, she often ends up giving up large chunks of her own life to people who need her to take care of things they just can't manage on their own.

Statement from the ACLU:

“Once again, Congress blinked and succumbed to the president’s fear-mongering. With today’s vote, the government has been given a green light to expand its power to spy on Americans and run roughshod over the Constitution,” said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. “This legislation will give the government unfettered and unchecked access to innocent Americans’ international communications without a warrant. This is not only unconstitutional, but absolutely un-American.”

"She has a most generous soul. "

Sounds like she is indeed! And I can also see how someone with that kind of a giving personality might end up a caregiver to a LOT of people!

Patsi: Here's what I'd really like to know ... has the Govt actually ever caught anyone with this program? I mean, we all know that the Govt had the info on many of the 9/11 hijackers well before the event but that the various agencies weren't communicating. And that was with the old version of the law. So, what have they done to fix that part of the problem?

now that sounds wonderful maggs. I do have to admit to liking beets in one certain prepared form - pickled.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/nutrition/BJ770.html

Posted by: pogo | July 9, 2008 3:49 PM
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I LOVE pickled beets, but I also like them right out of the can or raw ...

!:^}

" Here's what I'd really like to know ... has the Govt actually ever caught anyone with this program?"

I don't know -- and I cannot figure out how Bush still has the clout to steamroll over the Senate.

My Mom was supposed to go away this weekend, but she can't now. She has to take care of my Dad, I'm gonna dog-sit this weekend.

June 20, When Barack Obama Lost My Vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOYyWpuEjyU

Posted by: Nick | July 9, 2008 3:50 PM

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Nick, loved that one .. the next one up was good too!!

From Glenn Greenwald - look for your Senator here

UPDATE VI: Cloture on the bill just passed 72-26. Obama voted in favor of cloture along with all Republicans. Hillary Clinton voted against cloture.

After the cloture vote, the Senate just approved final passage of the FISA bill, by a vote of 69-28. Obama voted with all Republicans for the bill. Hillary Clinton voted against it.

Democrats voting in favor of final passage of the FISA bill: Bayh - Carper - Casey - Conrad - Dorgan - Feinstein - Innuoye - Kohl - Landrieu - Lincoln - McCaskill - Mukulski - Nelson (Neb.) - Nelson (Fla.) - Obama - Pryor - Rockefeller - Salazar - Webb - Whitehouse.

Democrats voting against final passage of the FISA bill: Akaka - Biden - Bingaman - Boxer - Brown - Cantwell - Cardin - Clinton - Dodd - Dorgan - Durbin - Feingold - Harkin - Kerry - Leahy - Levin - Lautenberg - Murray - Reed - Reid - Sanders - Schumer - Stabenow - Tester - Wyden.

Interesting, yes?

Patsi

There is something else going on, Bush doesn't have any power and how hard can it be to run against the phone company. I'm usually not a conspiracy fan but there is something. Maybe it is money , maybe it is black mail, maybe it is both. I begining to wonder if we are really having an election.

Jack

Patsi: One of the things Sen Spector pointed out was that the majority of the House and Senate don't actually know how the program works. So, I'm wondering what the Administration has told those who do know.
Interesting to note that Durbin, Kerry, and Leahy ... early supporters of Sen Obama ... all voted against.

Corey

That's sad for your mom. Are you taking care of your sister's extremely cute dog?

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Pogo, here in Newport we've got one Chinesse place, called Hong Kong Buffet ... I love it .. have taken my Mom there when she mentioned how she missed the Cashew Chicken from downtown Cinti, after she retired ...
The price is right, the service is good & the food is delicious!
As far as the other kinds, we've got a few mexican, along with Taco Bell, but Hey I like their food, lol
We do have a number of fast food places here along with a few very nice sit down resturants, but if you want varity, you go over to Cinti, Oh or south to Florence, Ky .. about 25 minuters from me with the traffic ... Florence is better, since most Resturants are pretty much around the Florence Mall ... there, you can find so many different kinds of food ...
viv

One of the advantages of growing up in Los Angeles with summers in FResno is that there probably not an ethnic cuisine I haven't tasted. In order of favorites:

Mediterranean/Greek/Armenia
Chinese
Mexican
Japanese
Indian

and for day to day ... good ol' down home Oklahoma, though that has gotten too heavy for most meals. The only food I will not even share a room with is Beef Liver. Chicken liver pate can be tolerated.

Levin comes through!

Can anyone explain to me why Sen Obama voted for this bill? His vote was obviously not needed for passage -- it really does sound like a sort of "I was against it before I was for it moment."

LOL

From the quarterly report on my IRA it looks like we've been in a bear market since about September last year. Since Sept. 07 it has lost all it gained in the last 2 years.

Jack

Yep. That'll save my Mom from having to do that as well.

Jamie: I am a fan of pate of all kinds ... I love it with a really sharp mustard, grapes (yes, grapes), and cornichons.

Okay. Now this is cute. Obama as the Llama song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HMuY1Zrszo&feature=related

Another version, not quite as cute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVZi1-kUvM

Nick

In a world that is getting smaller and a business climate where even small business's are engaged in business with our NorthAmerican neighbors, it makes a lot os since for all of our children to learn at least 2 of the three dominate languages on this continient.

Jack

Corey....
now I'm feeling guilty for my post this morning stating that your mom was better off financially with your dad at home....

no matter how you slice it..... watching your parents get old is tough....
of course, the alternative isn't so great either.....

I'm getting more and more jaded and cynical about politicians every day....
the passage of this FISA bill only adds to that.....

"There is something else going on, Bush doesn't have any power and how hard can it be to run against the phone company. I'm usually not a conspiracy fan but there is something. Maybe it is money , maybe it is black mail, maybe it is both."

I think you are right Jack. Something's wrong.

maggisd,

With all due respect, cilantro and basil are heavenly.

Can't eat cheese anymore, but I like goat. Preferably in a savory stew.

"Can anyone explain to me why Sen Obama voted for this bill? "

Well, for starters....the guy who orchestrated his entire campaign -- not Axelrod -- but the cat who knew all about the various districts where some votes counted more than others, etc -- is a lawyer/lobbyist for the telecommunications industry.

Maggie,

The only reason I heard that made even a little bit of sense was that it was going to pass with or without his vote and they didn't want a ccommercial out there about him being soft on terrorism, particularly if something blew up between now and election day, and once the election was over he could go back and request a revision.

Of course in the meantime, some 400 seaparate suits against the communications industry disappear forever.

It was nice and peaceful for awhile and now all of a sudden MSNBC is on an all day anti-Hillary rant. It's been the same on the progressive radio station, one slam after another.

Something is going on behind the scenes. When the trained mouthpieces start vomiting again.

maggisd,

Your list has Dorgan voting twice, but several including Klobuchar not voting. I would appreciate it if you would run an update.

Thanks in advance.

jamie posted: now all of a sudden MSNBC is on an all day anti-Hillary rant.

maybe they're getting too many votes for HRC on their vp sweepstakes today and they're trying to influence the outcome.

I saw a post about herbs...

Can anyone give tips on how best to grow herbs such as parsley, rosemary, mint and cilantro?

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Jamie

They can't talk about Obama and the Fisa vote.

LOL
Now can they?

Jack

patd

"maybe they're getting too many votes for HRC on their vp sweepstakes"

That's funny. I just checked the totals and Clinton is beating Edwards on that pair up (Biden is beating Sebilious on the other side). So who does Matthews just tout for the Veepstakes, why Edwards of course.

At some point you just have to shake your head and wonder if there really is a public out there that swallows this stuff whole. Now there is a scary idea!

"Can anyone give tips on how best to grow herbs such as parsley, rosemary, mint and cilantro?" - Bear

Grow them in individual pot in great soil...water often. Do not let them dry out. Most herb are easily grown from seed....not sure if rosemary grows quickly from seed. : )

Thank you Senator Clinton for standing up for the Constitution and our liberties!

Wake up Democrats!!!

Thank you Senator Wyden for your vote today!

Thank goodness for Mcauliffe. His ongoing sanity is a joy. He said simply that the Hillary people are Hillary people, but they aren't going to destroy the party over it. and that the media just wants the bitter and stubborn story to have something to yammer about.

Okay, somebody else has to send Lardo a G rated sex story. Euro Tom, Patsi, Renee, and I have done our bit.

http://lardosretreat.wordpress.com/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

Jamie,

Isn't G rated sex like eating fried tofu instead of crispy fried chicken?

Nope, you're strange because you guys actually don't know what to do without this bitterness. It's your life blood. Your reason for being. Coming on TM without it takes away your sense of identity. I wonder if for many of you, your lives are so twisted that this blog becomes an outlet for your frustrations. I remember reading, and I'm not using this as a way to hit at him personally, that Maxtrue said his life was a bit messed up and so he used this blog as an outlet. I think this reflects a lot of you. There's a certain sadness that touches a lot of your posts, something that I think even Craig has noticed. I would say that many of you could use some self reflection, but I doubt that a lot of you want to discover what you might find.

Posted by: Mr. Democrat | July 9, 2008 9:29 AM

You're such an ass, dude. It was me who said that this blog was a welcome distraction, not an 'outlet for my frustration'; but way to twist words to suit your own purpose. Your amateur-ish psychoanalysis serves not to force introspection but to illustrate your own megalomania. Politics is all about dissatisfaction and bitterness, expect some of it to be expressed in a political forum. It's wonderful you are such an evolved and insightful individual that you are immune to such emotions. Maybe you could have me over for tea and share the secret to your enlightenment.

Perhaps I'm dreaming in bizarro world,

I wonder if it someone could use the illegal wiretapping/surveillance to get proof that Karl Rove was partaking in the "kiddie" trade with his good buddy "King of Pop" hee hee... I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Rove likes young boys...

I wonder if the president would pardon Karl Rove were he to be arrested for some sort of sex crime?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_go_co/kennedy_medicare

"Isn't this convenient for those running for president? All three are "Senators", and all three know no effective FEC can act against them. Thus Barack Obama brazenly refuses to show his birth certificate, claiming to have been born in Honolulu, when the evidence indicates that he was actually born in Kenya and in fact is an illegal alien, having served illegally as a U.S. Senator. John McCain brazenly held a fund raising event March 20, 2008 in London's "Spencer House", sponsored by Lord Rothschild and Nathaniel Rothschild (see "The Guardian-London April 29, 2008). Hillary Clinton, not to be out done has also accepted illegal foreign contributions from Sir Elton John, Illegally, because he is a foreign national.

If you want to vote for a respectable, legal contender for president you have two choices. You can vote for Bob Barr a Libertarian, or you can write in "Ron Paul".

http://www.caswellmessenger.com/articles/2008/07/08/opinion/opinion01.txt

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Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker | July 9, 2008 3:19 PM

Only reason I copied your whole post KGC is because i feel there are important points in there. Ron Paul all the way! I also think Ralph Nader is a great write-in option; no one on the national political scene has done more for his fellow citizens than Ralph Nader. Don't allow embittered Democrats to disparage his legacy because they ran an inept campaign in 2000.

Sounds like Jesse Jackson has gotten himself in some hot water.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Comments will be aired on the O'Reilly factor tonight, 8 pm EST.

Champ,

I would write in Bill the Cat and Opus before ever considerring Nader. For one, they are better, additionally, they are at least open about their sexuality and the fact that they are Narcissists

As for 2000, I am shocked that Pat Buchanan didn't claim more credit for the cluster fuck in Florida since it was many of the old folks who thought they were voting Gore when they tickled his chad instead.

"I wonder if it someone could use the illegal wiretapping/surveillance to get proof that Karl Rove was partaking in the "kiddie" trade with his good buddy "King of Pop" hee hee... I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Rove likes young boys..."

Wouldn't that be excellent?????

"Contrary to the campaign's claims, the issue of when Hawaii became a state and the wording of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, are not at issue.

Rather it is Article Two, Section One of the Constitution which requires that the President be a "natural born citizen" and not simply a naturalized citizen. The issue is whether there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, the legal status of his mother at the time, and what exactly is written on the original birth certificate -- if it in fact such a certificate exists."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm

Well, what the heck did Jackson say? Is O'Blowhard sitting on them for his broadcast tonight?

And nobody wants your x-rated reports over on the Lard site, Bry....

I thought Ogden Nash had a handle on all the G-rated sex stories.

I thought in America anybody could run for office and be elected or not on the merit of their positions. We were bombing Iraq continually under Clinton, not to mention the economic sanctions, so why don't you let the Iraqis speak for themselves? It was Gore and he DNC's fault they lost that election, not Nader's.

To those who feel Bush stole the election, is their no blame for Gore and his lawyers rolling over after a sham legal contest? Nah, let's just blame Nader for having the gall to run for office.

Bear,

Read the stories. It is about funny stuff that happens.either when you are too young to know what is going on, or just humorous things in adult relationships. If you can't laugh together before you get to the x rated stuff, you aren't doing it right. : )

"Rez. . . Certainly not like Mr Democrat.. . Go get the album and see"- Jack

Great sea food lunch. I saw the food and ate it.

Actually Jack, MD sounds like a black guy to me and you and Patsi sound like white folks. rofl

Hmm...

To get the the missing condoms or the asthma attacks or the flatulence inspired hijinks...it still gets past G...I seemed to date a lot of girls that thought foreplay was a waste of their time...lol

Champ: Bill-O is going to hold the comments hostage until his show...

"taking an unwarranted attack at me"

Nope -- just reminding you that Lardo's is NOT for x-rated stuff.

Bear, with all due respect (I enjoy your posts AND Bill the cat), Ralph Nader has done more for this country than every one of us in this room combined. Seat belts. Air bags. Cigarette warnings. Freedom of Information Act. Clean Air Act. Nuclear Power reform. So many other things. I'm sure he has his faults, like so many of us, but I reject the vilification of him by incompetent and disingenuous losers like Gore and his adherents.

Apparently Jackson spoke about Obama "giving a morality lecture" to black people. It was much like the attacks on Bill Cosby.

Jackson issued an apology when he knew it had gone out over a live mike.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/09/jesse-jackson-caught-on-m_n_111732.html

"you and Patsi sound like white folks. rofl"

Sorry Rez, I'm a Welsh woman -- we don't consider ourselves part of any of your groups....

Well, I got no love for Jackson the shake-down artist, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to boost O'Reilly's ratings to consume the manipulative triflings of either of them. Don't own a TV, so I couldn't even if I wanted to.

Craig: No offense intended...this is just the curiosity talking. Are there very many female journalists who work at Congressional Quarterly? The web page seems to reflect many reporters of the male persuasion.

GORDO,

The alleged Israeli Insider guys don't have any credible evidence.

However, Hawaii says it has the birth certificate. So, all you have to do is go there and have a look at it.

How about we post an urgent appeal to all the usual suspects here, and raise the funds necessary to send you to the records office in Honolulu?

We could call it the GORDO HUNT OF THE SON, or something. ( :>D]<

"The seriousness of this latest controversy cannot be underestimated. Unlike the scandals related to Obama's various associations with unsavory characters, or claims about his Muslim upbringing, the issue here relates to his citizenship and legal qualification to run for President of the United States.

One would have thought that the most basic documentary proof of the location and date of his birth should be a basic and non-controversial requirement for any presidential candidate, and part of the public record, much more so than one's tax return or annual checkup. It is almost incomprehensible that they would withhold this information -- unless there is something to hide."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm

Champ,

Can you show us the Kenyan birth certificate?

Or are they hiding the evidence, too?

What I'd like to know is the agenda of Israeli Insider...why is some Israeli site promoting this stuff?

Soooo! The Obamas are concerned about the press and their children......In his arrogance and ignorance, he forgot to protect his children. I guess he'll forget to secure the US too, the first time some foreign leader pats him on the head.

Unlikely_burrito; 11:24 am.... You are correct, he wasn't born, he was BUILT in a back room by the DNC and others...

Bear; 1:00pm... "would people say the same things, if Hillary had won?" They probably would, if she had run the same kind of campaign as he did, with it's sexist and racist remarks.....

Jason; 4:45 am....I'm empathetic, Jason, I'm afraid I counted on Hillary way to hard. PUMA

"there should be no role call vote at the convention? "

Of course not. That would take away from the coup-effect.

Yesterday I said that the whole PUMA thing struck me mainly as a Republican organized event. Virtually everyone I know is either voting for Obama or voting third party. Only a tiny percentage of real Hillary supporters are threatening with McCain. That just wouldn't make sense.

Even McCauliffe said that most of the noise was media yammering without any real basis in fact.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/07/a-volatile-market-for-politici.html#comment-112871

Ally, there are many women journalists at CQ, at all levels -- here's the masthead:

http://corporate.cq.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=185

sorry about the tech outage earlier, folks. things seem back to normal now.

"Even McCauliffe said that most of the noise was media yammering without any real basis in fact."

Careful, Jamie, Gen Anthony McCauliffe is the one who said "Nuts!"

bulging battle......Nuts.........great answer......

Wow....I saw two hours without a comment and wondered what happened.
Well, in case anyone comes back later to read this, I don't know about PUMA thing....it may have something to do with location. Virtually everyone I know is going to write in Hillary's name and vote Democratic down-ticket. And, unless a miracle occurs both actions will be equally futile in the county where I live.

now read simon de montfort's answer to Longshanks right before he was killed in battle.....cause his buds got their entrails pulled out, set afire and then pulled apart by horses.......those welsh dudes.......

everybody must get stoned......

BD

Craig: Thanks. I didn't see the masthead though...I think that was just a repeat of the comment link. The reason I asked is that everywhere I turn lately there is a journalist from CQ on the TV—and they all seem to be men. Just got done watching another one on Greta. Thank you for letting me know that there ARE women at your place of employment too!

I have an in-ee.......have never seen an outee that I know of........youre tawkin' belly buttons, right?

sturg: If we're going to discuss Welsh dudes, let's begin with the Battle of Rorke's Drift.

I am of the opinion that HIllary should pay off her own debt and the whole issue removed from discussion. It's a distraction and a divisive issue within the party. If she just said, "My debt, my responsibility" it would be a huge mark in her column.

i think, from watching twilight zone over the whatever it was that TAXI with deniro copied on of their scenes......

You tawkin' to me? You tawkin' to ME?

taxi driver, that is......

sturg: I wasn't, but I can if you wish ... although maybe we should go to Lardo's blog if we're going to discuss a subject such as belly buttons.

"Rush Limbaugh said again on his radio show today that he believes Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee in July. Clinton retains not only her 1600+ delegates, but her army of supporters -- which, ironically, actually grows by the day, since Obama's flip-flops on FISA, campaign finance reform, NAFTA, capital punishment, and, well, you name it, alienate more and more of his base supporters."

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-it-takes-is-175.html

how did a welsh guy get to rorke's drift?

Sturg, which all gets back to the main point, are those the type of things Rev Jackson had in mind when he made his remark on Fox?

Rez
The key to this whole exchange that you seem to have spipped over is "George Carlin". As I said go get the album one of his early ones and listen to
MD does not sound black or anything except pure suburban middleclass American. He could be Asian Hispanic , AA or Anglo. They all are the same from the point of view the neighborhood I live in. We are such a mixed lot of ethnic identities that I'm not going to list them. But one thing we aren't is suburban middle class american.

Jack

Jackson made a remark on fox?

i may have missed sommat......i been wukkin......john sturgeone was a steel driving man.......

Ally: She is not asking anyone to pay back what she already spent from her own pocket. She has said just that ... it was her choice and her responsibility. She is only hoping to pay off other debts. Had she won the nomination, of course, there would have been no problem...the thing about it is, currently Sen Obama is raising money from among former Hillary backers -- money they might easily have donated to her if campaign finance laws were different.

by the way folks, when there are outages i will post tech updates on our Facebook group page at:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17347137146

I wondered what happened to Trail Mix. I couldn't log on for the last few
hours. I thought it was my internet company. I was just going to call and
complain, since they charge me a ridiculous amount to have so-called
high speed internet service--more like low-speed.

I'm relieved it wasn't my computer's problem since calling my cable company requires about four hours of sheer frustration as I'm connected to operators all over the world who don't usually understand what the problem is that I am having.

About Beets:

Just wanted to add my voice to the food discussion way earlier in the posts today about beets.

Borscht is very tasty. It's a soup made of beets usually served cold with sour cream. My ex-husband, who was Jewish, taught me how to make it.
Delicious! Even beet haters will like it, I bet.

Yeah, he thought he was off mic. It's all over the news. More of an embarrassment than anything else.

ally, here is that CQ masthead link:

http://corporate.cq.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=185

Obama stokes veep speculation with Hillary flight

Barack Obama stoked vice presidential speculation Wednesday with an unannounced stop at the Washington law firm of a search team member and then a flight to New York fundraisers with potential pick Hillary Rodham Clinton and a second vetter.

"I'm not going to tell you" any details, the smiling likely Democratic nominee told reporters after spending more than two hours inside a downtown Washington office building where attorney Eric Holder, a member of his vice presidential search committee, has offices.

http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews\Top-Headlines\20080710\Obama.xml&cat=topheadlines&subcat=&pageid=1

Maggis: I think she should pay off the whole thing, or only solicit her own supporters. This is just my opinion. The issue is a distraction and doing nothing for party unity (as evidenced on this blog.) I think it would be a positive move for her from a PR perspective.

sturg: Welsh troops fought the battle of Rorke's Drift ... see Zulu, the second best war movie ever -- Gallipoli being the best.

Gosh, I had to laugh at xrep's appeal to Gordo regarding the Obama birth certificate non-issue and Gordo's immediate pasting of the same webisreali article he's been posting for weeks, around 7:10 EST. Funny stuff.

I was actually enjoying Gordo's "Reifenstahl" angle comparing the Obama cult-of-personality to that developed around Hitler in the 30's, and then he abandoned that and right back to the birth certificate angle. Hey Gordo, I know you don't engage in exchanges, but you do realize that McCain is not a natural born citizen, either, don't you? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Ron Paul, anyone? Born in Pennsylvania. Right up your alley, Gordo. Grab a pen.

we know we know... Godwin's Law alert. zzzzz.

Flatus
Only in politics is telling the truth an embarassment.

Jack

Prof Marcia: I was raised by my Jewish maternal grandparents. It was their attempts to get my brother and me to eat borscht that caused me to develop a dislike for it in the first place.
I have always said that I love the Jewish holidays -- except for the food.

Proof there is a good in the world:

Read John Mayer's latest blog entry. It'll make you think about how silly things are here at times. Also, if you follow the link John has posted to "The Isaac Foundation", scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the guestbook. You will see how one person (albeit a celebrity) can make a difference in someone else's life.

saw zulu.....i was more interested in britain's conquest of wales.....quite a travesty, all in all.....not much interested in africa stuff.....except for the roman's adventures in the upper part.....but gallipoli.....that's a story for the ages.......

Godwin's law ain't even applicable in this case, hoss. I was referencing a past analogy, not making a new one. You're so predictable.

A link might help!

http://www.johnmayer.com/blog

"MD does not sound black or anything except pure suburban middleclass American." - Jack

Jack,

What do you mean by this ? I didn't follow...is MD Mr Dem? or did I just miss the whole issue all together? I'm curious.

OK Kids, Stay Sweet...I am going to hit the sack!

This citizenship sh*t is driving me nuts! Natural-born citizen has a child ... anywhere in the world ... child is a natural-born citizen. Period. End of story.
Unless we are now claiming that Obama's mother was born in Oz or something.

Ally

The media keeps quoting this 23 million figure without bothering to mention that about half of that is money she loaned her campaign and has already said that she is responsible for those funds. The other thing they don't mention is that this paying off of the losers debt is tradition.

Nor do they mention that she is bringing a lot of pocket books to the general that have already paid the maximum in the primary. So any of his who can contribute to her will probably be more than matched by hers contributing to him.

The Obama crowd is making it sound like a demand that has never been heard of before. Just more of the holier than thou, make the clintons look bad crud from that camp.

Sturg: But the Brits didn't conquer Wales. They just think they did.

Gordo

Quoting limp balls is hardly believable commentary.

Jamie,
Remember many Obama supporters are 30 plus years younger then some people here, they haven't been taught politics ( in the public educational system), this is all new to them.

Who cares who is what race? Irrelevant. That's one of the virtues of anonymous debate- there is no gender or race, just the merit of our ideas.

Jamie: What you said ... ditto.

And I have to add that every time I see or hear the phrase Party Unity I start looking over my shoulder for the KGB. If I wanted unity, I wouldn't be a Democrat ...

Sturgeone

If Gallipoli interests you, you might like this blog item I wrote awhile back

http://jdurward.blogspot.com/2008/02/band-played-waltzing-matilda.html

UB: I had almost the same thought as you ... while it is a wonderful thing that Sen Obama has attracted so many new voters, it is kind of sad that so many of them seem so surprised by how politics really works.

Speaking of citizenship....Placido Polanco, the 2nd baseman for the Detroit Tigers became a US citizen in a ceremony held at Comerica Park tonight. He and many others became US citizens during a ceremony held on the field before tonight's game.

But don't you think it good they are learning , and that they are even interested....it's a step

One sparrow doesn't make a spring.

'You keep stirring this pot,now stew in it'
Thanks for reminding me i will go on over to www.hillaryclinton.com and give another $100 towards the debt with deep thanks...........

maggisd,

I'm surprised that you don't like borscht. But, food preference is all a matter
of taste (LOL). I just thought I'd mention that there are various ways that
beets can be cooked that might appeal to someone who may not otherwise
like them.

It's funny you don't like Jewish types of food, since one of the reasons
I think I married my husband was that his relatives cooked such tasty Jewish
dinners. I loved the various Jewish holidays since it meant that there would
be all sorts of traditional dishes that I could eat and learn how to cook.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91592

"The shoes ["Air McFly"] were released in a very limited quality, but for hardcore fans who were shut out, there's always the capitalist slaughterhouse that is eBay. Pairs are currently going for up to $1,000 (power laces not included)."

Just laughed at the author's characterization of ebay.

well the glass is emptying for many here while others are just finding the fountain

tonyb39...make it 200...she needs it

I think the notion that Obama's camp should help pay back HRC's debt is ridiculous. It's equally crazy to think that people - hard-working, average, everyday people - would actually give up their nickels and dimes to bail out a multi-millionaire, world famous senator when gas is at $4 and our economy is on the precipice of destruction...ah, but ain't that America.....

http://theisaacfoundationnews.blogspot.com/

Real life.

Uh, you could attempt to discredit me with reason rather than parroting some absurd self-proclaimed 'law'. Forgive me if I don't put Godwin in the esteem of Kepler or Newton.

I don't mention Nazis every day, that's a lie. The manipulation of a populace, perfected by said party in the 1930's and early 40's is a relevant case study applicable to the Obama phenomenon witnessed today. If you don't agree with that, explain why.

Your dismissal of Ron Paul due to the affiliations of some of his supporters, and your rabid eagerness to tarnish his message with the same is indicative of your reluctance to debate and ponder with integrity, and is akin to the same disingenuousness for which we both chided Harold Ickes during and after the DRBC meeting at the end of May.

:Pwned.

P of U

I doubt that most of the people in that meeting tonight are worrying about how to fill up their gas tanks.

Prof Marcia: Most typical Jewish food really gives me heartburn. Not all, mind you, just most. I really love and miss many things that we used to have at home that most people would probably find disgusting ... I still love tongue, and radish salad with chicken fat, and chopped liver, as well as smoked fish for breakfast, matzo ball soup and these cookies called humentashen (I'm sure I'm spelling that wrong). But I could live the rest of my life without overcooked brisket (I smoke mine), borscht, knishes, kreplach ...
What's worse...I don't like tea...

Jamie: You're probably right....

I tossed some bucks at her after she lost. Figured it was part of my obligation because she was working for me.

And, I recall she helped other dem candidates with some of her unspent senatorial contributions. It was a large enough amount of money that it raised eyebrows.

weak it was

did you tear up?

wow, has anyone else realized how often food is discussed?

I guess I do because I am dieting....but, if I ate half of what you guys post, I would be enormous.

Well gang, during the primary Hillary was blasted as being a Republican Lite and her supporters neocons, Republicans etc. At the Clinton blogs now purged many rational people explained why Clinton's positions were consistent and based on a long record of NSS reasoning. But NOOOOO - BO wielded that very Liberal sword and waxed Lefty as nutrooters like some here supported Obama's positions. That hawk Hillary and her sicko gang of miscreants. They quoted Kos and Huffington and spread their mantra far and wide hailing Obama their great new Mr. Magic. And when we said Obama would look funny pivoting to center having defeated Clinton steering Left, they laughed and said NEVER. Not their guy.

We have the record however. Left in Chicago, then Right to get to speak at the Democratic Convention with Lieberman Obama's mentor. Then his move Left again. Will Obama admit he is tacking Right again? Will he ever admit he has changed his position? Is he ever wrong? Did he do anything just to get elected?

I pity the yo yo defense the OBOTS have to keep coming up with. Not just Flip Flopping mind you, but yo yoing as a political driven opportunist drives back and forth. Honest? Nope. High Road? Nope. I wonder if Clinton supporters enjoy Obama pretending to brandish Hillary's centrist sword. He took it from her using the Left, stealing it while calling her unworthy to be the nominee. Just listen to her he mocked. How can you believe in that kind of change?

Sorry Bark, you are not worthy of belief. And your calculated contradiction will come back to haunt....Just like 9/11 said. An empty suit doing what politicans do. It kind of makes one realize howq much principle the Clntons HAVE. Lucky Barak is half black, Had Bill said what Obama did, Jackson would have called him a friggin racist. And these people were a large part of what got Obama the nomination. What a great bunch of friends....

For more about the Obama contradiction of today.....

http://stubbornfacts.us/humor/obama_change_that_keeps_on_changing#comment-15414

Actually I am having fun watching Lefties defend Obama....LOL Maybe they know Obama is just lying. Now what does that say about Obama and what does it say about OBOTS?

PofU: It has been noted that many Hillary supporters were older, working class people. While many of the Hillary supporters on this blog are well educated, that does not mean we are also well heeled. What I did give to Hillary I had to charge and I am still paying myself back. Her campaign got my new tires and I imagine I'm not the only one in that position.
Personally, I don't think the Obama supporters or even the Obama campaign "owe" Sen Clinton anything. On the other hand, since his campaign is so eagerly courting her upscale donors, it seems only fair that there should be some sort of quid pro quo.

I'm not going to tailor my message to suit you. You can stash that wager the same place Godwin's law belongs. Your inability to confront my arguments with logic or reason speaks for itself. I'm done with you; you've already lost debate.

I think the only circumstance in which I would be weeping for HRC's debt would almost certainly involve tear gas.....

PoU
I don't agree.I have given well over a $1000 to Hillary and its money well spent.I never have given to any other politician before not even President Clinton.I believed in Hillary and still do.I speak only for me but helping her pay off her debt is something I'm glad to do and i don't care how much she's worth!!! It a debt of gratitude that I owe her for what she has done for the country and will continue to do.I also no their are many of Sen.Obama's supporters who feel the same for him and good for them....

"I have given well over a $1000 to Hillary"

Posted by: tonyb39

Holy Cow!

Hey, tony, I'm running for President on a feminist platform. Can you spot me a $100?

Did everyone see Senator Teddy's return to the Senate today? What a really wonderful moment ... brought tears to my eyes.

Wow. Maxtrue's post landed with a crashing thud!

Maggie: My point, and I've made it before on this board, is that I don't think it's a good thing that people identify so heavily with a candidate on a personal level that they are willing to help bail wealthy, affluent members of government out of debt. That's all.....

Teddy's return was heartwarming, to say the least. So, is he...better?

Maxtrue's post are too long....

imo

Max,
you should get a blog....I think you like it...or do you lready have one?

PofU: The thing about the campaign debt is that, although the Clintons have made a lot of money, one doesn't know how much money they actually have and remember that Hillary is only entitled to 50% of it. I got the feeling when she talked about "my money" that she was trying to use just the funds that came from her own efforts ... i.e. her book sales. So, one doesn't know how much money she has to pay off those debts.

As for Sen Kennedy...he looked remarkably well, although his stoop was quite a bit more pronounced than usual.

I don't post for you PU. People who became Moonies often had to go through professional deprogramming. I don't have the time nor the ability.

Be happy with Contradiction you can believe in....LOL

At this point, Obots don't know what position to defend...LOL

Now I am having a laugh. Want to bet we aren't out of Iraq in 16 months as Power knew wouldn't happen? But don't fret PU, Obama doesn't mean most of the stuff he says.......Yes he can!

I'd be saying the same stuff. I am forced to muddy my own arguments when I am drawn into exchanges with him, to their detriment, and I won't allow that to happen henceforth. If he is interested in an honest debate, I am all for it, but I don't need to play his silly games anymore. I am very familiar with the type of insecurity exhibited by his tone and speech, and it's starting to bore me. I've fought what I've perceived as the good fight to no avail in the past; I've got bigger fish to fry now.

He can post his inanity with impunity; have at it, buddy.

(damn, am I good or what?)

Maggie: I hope he pulls through. Do you know the specifics of his post-surgery treatment? I would imagine it involves chemotherapy, but then again, I haven't read much about what's been going on after he had the brain operation.

PofU: You asked "is he better?" He will never be better. One doesn't recover from what he has ...

Max..... are you on tilt?

Burrito, I posted a link to a blog I posted a comment on, but then you might have trouble reading it. It is longer than the one I left you yesterday about vilifying Republicans.

Want to bet Obama will do what Patraous suggests? At least with McCain, you know where he standsmost of the time. And please OBOTS for every flip you give me for McCain, I can list ten from Obama. In fact, is there anything Obama hasn't flipper over?

Nope.

Maggisd - isn't there any hope? I have not follow the story.

now Max, I read most your post most the time,

"About McCain, of course, there is no question about the facts surrounding his birth, but over their legal significance. He is not denying that he was born in Panama, or posting certificates that claim he was born in Florida. Obama's campaign, on the other hand, seems intent on evading the need to produce and submit to public scrutiny the official document that could prove that his qualification to run for President according to the Constitution."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm

PofU: He is on chemotherapy now, supposedly. It may be, however, that they are trying an experimental drug that has kept a physician with a similar condition alive and relatively well for two years now. The drug was developed as the result of a specific earmark at the NIH fought for by Sen Kennedy a few years ago ... it would really be a story if that drug gave him some added time.

Max: Why do you identify me as a psychologically bound Obama supporter a la the Moon cult? I have been deeply disappointed by his statements regarding the second amendment and his FISA vote. I do, however, think he's the best choice for the country. Please don't lump me into the Kool-Aid-drinking crew of uncritical Obama supporters (who, to my knowledge, don't exist on this board, by the way....).

Max,
It is fine to support McCain, I saw him in person and he is quite good with a small crowd....but do you really share the majority of his beliefs? If you do...that's great....

I just wish those who supported Hillary could see that Obama is more aligned with her beliefs than McCain is.

maggisd,

Some of my favorite Jewish foods that I like to make or eat:
noodle kugel
chullah egg bread
latkes
honey cake
kreplach
Lox
latkes
cheese blintz
Jewish chicken soup
peta
bagel and cream cheese
matzah
hamantaschen for Purim
matzah

PofU: The fact that this doctor has survived for two years does hold out some hope, if that is the treatment modality being used on Sen Kennedy. In general, however, his condition is a death sentence. The fact that the tumor was not seen in October when he had his carotid artery surgery rather suggests that it is fairly aggressive which, at Sen Kennedy's age, is not a good thing.

Well, thanks for the reply Gordo. Why must you do so by proxy through another site? Just speak, man.

If your citation of the 'birth-certificate" issue is just to portray Obama as a liar, plenty of other evidence to that end abounds. Particularly his pledge to adhere to public-financing limits, his reversal on FISA, his 'pledge' to exclude lobbyists from his campaign and cabinet, and on and on...

omg GORDO.....you are deserving of a t-shirt design......

I survived GORDO 2008

Max,
Please don't take offense, tilt is a poker term...nothing evil about it. It's a situational description.

I think Craig is the MC here....

I saw Bruce Villanche on tv tonight. The t-shirt he was wearing said:

Jesus Saves
Moses Invests

Craig, nice to have FaceBook as a back up.

All right all you Dems. WTH's wrong with the Dems in Congress????????

They're voting like anti-declaration Repubs, including Obama.

He's for change? He just voted FOR the old.

I'm NOT amused.

tt

UB: Speaking for myself, I have long held the belief that it is better to vote on gut instinct rather than issues ... since the issues change and how we feel about people doesn't.
I know Sen McCain doesn't have a chance to win my state, but I still remember seeing him come down that ramp in 1973...I hadn't a clue in the world who he was, but I cried my eyes out. And just the other day, when he was speaking about his love for our part of the country, the many contributions of the Mexican-Americans whose country this once was ... once again, tears.
I just don't get that from Obama. Maybe I'm too old....

Max,

Do you have any ownership of SF? i.e. is there financial incentive for you to drive traffic there?

Well Britto one would have to define what Obama's positons really are. I disagree with numerous positons of McCain being center Left, but on critical isses Obama obviously doesn't know which way he is flipping.

And by voting Democratic and for McCain you split the ticket, divide government and have the best chance for bipartisan compromise. At the end of the day, Obama will be forced to stay in Iraq and support the victory that McCain helped produce along with Patraous. And just listen to Barak on Iran now. Sounds like Hillary unless you dig deeper.

PU, if you aren't prepared to discouss the litany of contradictory positons Obama has always played, then you are drinking the Kool Aid. A candidate is as good as his honesty and word. Go to the link and read the hostory on Obama and Iran. Read what he siad in 2004. Obama is playing a game and THAT is so far from his sales pitch, it is shocking.

Perhaps you can identify something original from Obama that he hasn't fliiped on. His claim to fame is community organizer. And his position on the 2nd is refuted by his own handwriting next to the yes on a question, "Do you support a total gun ban?" And FISA, he used an opposite position to bash Hillary while the media didn't mention HIS VOTING RECORD. So if these things escape you, perhaps you have been drinking without even knowing.

As I said, beyond my professional abilities....

no Maggs, you are not too old.....McCain has that quality, I saw him and thought of my Father...I was favorably impressed

I saw Obama and felt nothing......I was a Hill supporter, at the time.

I just can't see rewarding a party that is pure evil...plus my ideals line up better with Obama,than McCain.

I have to vote with my beliefs.

Prof Marcia
Have you ever had matzo brei? Matzos rubbed with garlic, soaked in eggs, pour the entire thing in the skillet and cook kind of like a frittata?

Of the foods you mentioned: I do like challah, and I personall make a terrific honey cake. I also like lox and a bagel with all the trimmings.
Don't like noodle kugel, latkes, kreplach, blintzes of any kind -- love humantaschen (particularly with lemon filling...I also like mandel brot. Matzoh is good only as a platform for butter.

Obama: More Hitleresque Propagandizing

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obama-more-hitl.html

Champ, none whatsoever. When in the desert of political discourse they are a cool bunch of centrists. I got tired of Lefty blog debating and Right Wing Blogs are far to disturbing. Some center Left and more center right at SF. NO SOCONS and the knowledge base there is strong. Just check out Simon's review of how SCOTUS examines the Constitution. I mean the criterias used. Don't mess with Tully. He is actually working for some Democratic campaign I believe, but more a Jeffersonian.

No lovers of Ron Paul I'm afraid after SF disclosed his views on Jews etc.....but a Libertarian thread lives there too.

No, I make not a dime. They would just do a much better job dicing up the OBOTS, though several of my Liberal friends weigh in weekly. Some do support Obama....

...there ya go Gordo. Rock on.

Well, just got a headlight for my bicycle, and in the words of Greg Allman,

"Not gonna let 'em catch me, no. Not gonna let 'em catch the Midnight Rider..."

^ that's me.

Peace.

UB: As well you should. None of us should ever feel compelled to vote for any other reason ... although I really don't recall voting with much enthusiasm for anyone other than Al Gore -- and I've been voting a long time. I followed JFK's career from 1956, cut classes to see him speak at UCLA, was at the coliseum the night he made his acceptance speech, showed up an hour late for a final exam on the day of his inauguration ... unfortunately, I never got to vote for him.

Peace champ,

They say Libertarians are Republicans who smoke pot and......listen to the Allman Bros.

Was back stage with them twice. You know they all hate each other except the drummers.......

Max: I am an Allman ... about five generations back on my father's side. It is claimed by some that it's the same family but I can't verify that by personal research.

Buriito you think Republicans are pure evil, yet I never heard you discribe anything else as pure evil. Funny how that works. Half this country are Republicans, so half of America is pure evil.

Don't you think this is a bit childish?

Again, want to bet Obama stays in Iraq longer than 16 months? Patraous is an American hero going to lead the job Clark was booted from. Without Pataous and EU support through NATO, Afghanistan will be lost. Maybe Obama doesn't know this yet, having never held a meeting for the Senate Committee he chairs regarding Eastern Europe and NATO....LOL

Hillary lost because she was honest about reality.

Barack Speaks

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAmTx0WDKCo&feature=related

But Maggs aren't you glad you cut class? good for you...

I felt humongous enthusiasm for Hillary....even before she announced I was in the zone. The sticker on my daughter's car was faded by the time voting began.....

I am a politic novice, but I was excited to vote for her, I thought she would win.......

I have had to really look at what it means to have the right to vote, and what i need to do with that vote.....

For all the women in the world that have no voice, at least I can pick between two, to lead. Maybe not my first choice, but a choice nonetheless.

I choose not to waste my vote, but to vote as close as I can for what I think will help our country.

yeah Max that is a bit childish, seeing as my Mother is a staunch republican, and I don't consider her 100% evil.

Max: Hillary lost because David Axelrod was a better campaign manager than Hilda Solis Doyle -- and because Harold Ickes hates Mark Penn.

Well the Allman's I met despised each other and refused to be in the same backstage pictures. They said they played for the money. Duane was the genius I think. Loved Eat a Peach.

Well if you are connected, there is talent in your genes...

I loved many of their songs and saw them live a a little kid at Watkins Glen. More people than Woodstock, but ah...the mud, the mud...

Hillary lost because Barack Obama won.

UB: I am more than glad I cut class. The thing about it is, some of us just had our hearts broken forever in 1963 and will never feel that way again, about any candidate.
Even if Hillary were the nominee and I went out to cast my vote for her with great enthusiasm, it would mean nothing in my county. I think Bill Clinton won my county in 92 because there were so many Perot supporters -- otherwise, I doubt that any Democrat has carried this county since Harry Truman.

Maggie, at the end of the day it was media and Left. Obama played to the situation and went Left around Hillary. So I think when history looks back, Hillary stood her more centrist ground, was more honest about what she felt was necessary -The Clnton Referendum. Obama used that against her with media help and activists. Obama played his cards including race. Now you can attribute whatever to Axlerod, but Hillary was swimming up stream with anti-war sentiment and watch the phony Obama now as he meets Patraous.

Hillary was blocking center and Right, so Obama went Left which was always his tendency. Left is what is rampant now in the Democratic camp.

We shall see where this leads, Carter reduex? I sure hope not.

Max: I have plenty of talent ... but none of it is musical.

Yeah, I know what you mean, tough act to follow. A pure shame.

But, consider this, what if, what if Barack Obama is to many Americas what JFK was to you?

Can you for a moment, think of the hope and joy they feel?

It's worth a consideration.

Max: I see some of the same warning signs ... the lack of knowledge / interest in how Washington really works, for instance.
The thing that bugs me is not that he is / was / might be on the left ... I could take that. It's that he changes his position and categorically states that he has not done so. At least McCain has the good grace to admit that he has changed positions on some issues ... and gives his reasons.

I bet you do....and you are right, even Truman had some problems.

Ok, folks. Fun discussion tonight. I think I'm going to tuck myself in, crack open a book, and then drift off toward the land of nod.

I suggest you follow my link above. SF needs more comments with those having liberal sentiment. That is the thing that irks me too, though he more liberal notions are quite dangerous. Now is not the time to raise capital gains to 28% and soon corproate taxes will drive most away. No extraction of fossile fuels? Nad his inclinations stated during the primary on foreign policy are so absurd he is already swinging away from them, but no aknowledgment of "change". This is not change I can believe in.

My point is that we need to fix our country, and that means we the people, need to fix ourselves....so if we can realize that and move forward the better for all of us....

I just see so much potential in an Obama Presidency.

I may be naive, but after 8 years of Bush, and his cronies , I see no reason they have earned the right to remain leaders of our country.

most of them should be in prison

UB: I am pleased that Obama supporters feel a sense of hope and joy in their candidate. One would expect them to...and I certainly do not begrudge it at all. But I do not feel compelled to vote for someone because other people feel a sense of hope and joy about him.

maggisd,

Wow. The matzos rubbed with garlic and eggs cooked in a skillet sound delicious.

About Senator Kennedy's brain tumor:

My father just died from exactly the same cancer. He was given six months to
live. My mom just accepted the grim diagnosis but I went on the internet and became pro-active, trying to find out everything I could about cancerous brain tumors. I found a doctor who specialized in that area who was in Newport
Beach at Hoag hospital. He said he'd take my dad's case. He started my father on radiation treatment to shrink the tumor, then they operated, then
drug therapy.

The fact is that most cancerous brain tumors in people over 65 are a death sentence. My dad's life was extended two years because he had the very
best medical treatment. So, Ted Kennedy probably will not last beyond two years, unfortunately. I hope he does stay alive longer, but it isn't statistically
likely.

My dad never had any pain, though. He was just tired a lot.

Typos are telling me to sleep too. Rolled five gallons of paint today and better get some shut eye....night all

And don't have nightmares of those evil Republicans Buritto, there are even scarier things than that....

lol Max....there are evil Burritos...lol

UB: Well, as things now look, Obama will probably win quite easily. So, I hope for the sake of the country that Obama is able to fulfill the potential you envision.

BTW, I hold no brief for the Bush/Cheney administration, but I believe it is hyperbolic to say they belong in prison. Cheney might be guilty of corruption (although the Halliburton/govt nexus existed well before his time), but I see no evidence that the President has done anything that would merit prison time. Impeachment...perhaps...but not prison.

I believe Judical Watch List has five out of the ten most corrupt politicans as Democrats. I think Obama made the top ten. Democrats keep money in their Congressional freeezers......Dodd is a fine example too. And look what OBOTS sadi about Hillary.

Let's be balanced about this. Democrats and Republicans are pretty corrupt.

Rezko was some backer....

night

Prof Marcia- all my babies were born @ Hoag

Magg - I too, am hoping for the best. No one person is perfect, but maybe just maybe, thing will change for the better. I mean that in a sincere way for every American, not just myself-

Many issues are not clear, okay most all issues are not clear...but goals are clear...and that is where I choose to focus....

if one life is better...... : )

Thanks for the great conversation.....peace~

Prof Marcia: Sorry to hear about your Dad. I know Hoag Hospital...a first-rate facility. The interesting thing about the brain is that it is the one organ that is not susceptible to pain.
I am pretty certain that Sen Kennedy has glioblastoma multiforme, pretty much fatal in anyone of any age. But, we can be certain that whatever treatment exists, he will get the best (at least I hope he does). My one hope for him is that, given where it is situated, that neither the treatment nor any subsequent tumor growth will rob him of his language ability...that would be just too sad.

Once when I was writing for a magazine, I interviewed Greg Allman. We
did a little kissing in his fancy tour bus--we only kissed a bit, that's all I swear.
I was never a groupie, but I sort of wished I were. I interviewed a lot of famous band members.

OK...all this talk of food has gotten to me. I now realize that I have had nothing to eat since my breakfast bran muffin...gotta go. It's been an interesting discussion tonight.

"I survived GORDO 2008"

Already applied for the trademark/copyright. lol

The morning read.

"Despite Iran missile tests, some see signs of moderation."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/43583.html

Jack

Ally

The media keeps quoting this 23 million figure without bothering to mention that about half of that is money she loaned her campaign and has already said that she is responsible for those funds. The other thing they don't mention is that this paying off of the losers debt is tradition.

Nor do they mention that she is bringing a lot of pocket books to the general that have already paid the maximum in the primary. So any of his who can contribute to her will probably be more than matched by hers contributing to him.

The Obama crowd is making it sound like a demand that has never been heard of before. Just more of the holier than thou, make the clintons look bad crud from that camp.

Posted by: Jamie | July 9, 2008 10:39 PM

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Jamie: I am aware that the loser usually pays off the debt and that half of that amount she has already loaned the campaign. However, this year it has turned into such a media "drama" that it would be better for her (from a PR perspective) to just say, "I am going to take care of the debt so we can move on to the General without this distraction." Or, just simply to go quietly back to her donors to help pay off the debt. I agree with you: The Obama camp is turning this into a media story for reasons that are beyond me (well...I think I know...to make Obama look magnanimous over something that has been turnkey in the past.)

Again...just my opinion. Easy to say when it's not my money! My husband and I would be more than happy to help her pay off the debt but we are both maxed out donors!