Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

me, first? Nah, can't be.

Oh, MLRO has definitely been put through the "make-over mill"

I thought the original post made the same point

Jamie....
should I also eat it with liver?.... :)
Chianti is too dry for my tastes..... think I'd rather have KGC's Mazzocco Zin....

in the meantime..... the mid-west is still drowning.....
heard a report on CNN this morning that it's also an ecological disaster because of all the nitrogen based fertilizer that's used on crops....

Craig, be interesting to see how this attempt flies.

Check out MLRO in her, "I am proud of my country "speech, compared to how she looked on The View.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=49244

Even her body language has changed...she no longer looks like she is about to go 15 rounds, in a fight!!

I still don't think there's anything to see here...and that it's over-reaching to try to create a spectacle of Michelle Obama's 'turn' on The View.

Hey Renee, what's your sense of the NH mood? Has it shifted as the ARG poling suggests? Earlier you had not seen that happening.

Dog's eye, i replayed that tape several times, and it sounded like "pathetic" to me. So did Lynn Sweet at Chicago Sun-Times: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/the_view_ladies_dive_in_to_res.html

Pogo...
you'd be better off asking Kathy that question.....
at this time of the year I spend so much time in my studio that I consider posting on here as "getting out".....

also.... I'll ignore the polls until after the conventions..... that's when the real general election starts, IMO....

Oh, sheesh. I thought the new thread would take us to the Obama campaign's opting out of federal funding of the GE. Now that's something substantive and important for years to come:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money

MLRO seems to have trouble, when it comes to people understanding her words...

pathetic or empathetic
whitey or why'd he

She's a slick one!!

Michelle should just be Michelle. She should also sit up straight.

I'm just sayin'...

OK. Kathy, you get that?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/viewing-michelle-part-two.html#comment-104823

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/viewing-michelle-part-two.html#comment-104825

"Secondly, why did Obama's team even feel the need to adjust Mrs. Obama's image? Sure, her intellect and forthrightness might threaten to polarize voters, as Hillary Rodham Clinton did at the start of Bill Clinton's presidency. But that is who Michelle is - a tough, smart and serious political player."

Good point Craig... Spot on !!!!!

Oh and Pogo it's your lucky day... buy a lotto ticket! First in the new thread :-)

I'd think the more staunch Obama supporters would welcome this thread and the last -this one got us away from Muslim head scarves after all. LOL And with that, he disappears.

Thanks, Tom, I almost forgot.

Pogo...
I will say this about NH....

the demographics have changed quite a bit since I first moved here 30 yrs ago....
you probably wouldn't recognize it as "Live Free or Die" any longer....

lots of people pouring in from Massachusetts to live along the border because of lower housing prices and the promise of cheaper taxes....

and the lakes region and north country is now full of wealthier peoples from all over..... lots of condos and second homes owners.....

Pogo, to add to your question for Renee,

What is the opinion of Sununu as he runs for reelection against Shaheen? Has there been much talk about the phone bank scandal from the last race?

Lots of good stuff posted on the previous thread just after the "NEW THREAD" including Typekey directions, info on Kurdistan, and an article about Cindy McCain and rehab just in case anyone wants to cick back.

RR

"ecological disaster because of all the nitrogen based fertilizer that's used on crops....

You think that fish killing algae bloom and growing dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico was bad before? Wait until next year.

Here's the bit about Typekey for Nick and any others:

Nick

You use a recognizable name as someone who posts regularly and can be identified, so my gripe wasn't particularly directed at you.

If you would like a link which makes it possible for others to email you, connect to your blog if you have one and read a profile if you fill in the information plus the ease of signing in here without having to type every time, then you need to get a Typekey signature.

http://www.typekey.com

Click on "register for free", establish your ID and then comeback here. Fill in the information of your chosen ID and password and then click on the "remember me". It will ask if Craig can have you email. Click yes.

If all works as it is supposed to, you will never have to sign in here again. It will just remember who you are and automatically put up your name with the little key.

Click on any of the blue keys and you will see what information the others have chosen to make visible to the rest of the people on the list.

Re: MO true - they should not have leaked the make over business to the press. I believe if Michelle were to get the right type of "public image" make-over you would still be able to see her spunk, intelligence and personal style.

After-all it is her uniqueness and individuality that will attract people. We don't need a manufactured First Lady, but a little polishing is okay.

....as an Obama supporter...

I have heard Michelle Obama saying her husband is pathetic leaving his sock all over the bedroom and such....

I thought it was cute and very down to earth humanizing. She was trying to stop the Idolitry. Now if she said Pathetic again...big deal you guys.

Craig, I liked your post this time. Much more clear and consise. thanks!

Craig -- you'll just have to get used to being called names like Lieberman and neocon and bashed as a traitor to Amerika if you ever criticize the Mighty O.

As I read some posts, especially xrep's, I am more convinced that what we have is the Bush supporter-type crowd now moving to Obama.

Bear,
Nothing much on Sununu and the phone jamming, the race isn't really heating up yet. There is alot of chatter about going after Paul Hodes in my congressional district.

I think that Shaheen may have the edge, she was a very popular governor but she has a big weak spot, never solving the school funding issue up here. Many people are still unhappy about that.

McCain is still very popular in NH, I'm not hearing much support for Obama right now. Thinking back to my Trailspotting right before the January primary a big portion of the people at the Obama rally in Nashua,were out of staters, I remember all the Mass, Vermont, CT and New York plates in the parking lot.

"Craig: did you watch or listen? Neither you or Lynn specify in your comments."

It was a secret plot to destroy the finest woman to ever appear on national television. Many people are in on it and they are almost all racists. The ones who aren't are terrorists.

Regarding the Makeover, it reminds me of Sears trying to change its image. Anyone remember the "Softer Side Of Sears"? I do, but it didn't matter to me as long as they didn't screw up the Craftsman brand of tools.

The reason Michelle Obama is getting a "makeover" is because of America's deeply-rooted anti-intellectualism and misogyny. Remember the backlash that ensued after Teresa Heinz Kerry greeted the Democratic convention attendees in five different languages? Or the "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies" HRC firestorm? What Americans are comfortable with is the Laura Bush/Cindy McCain model of the vapid figureheads. They don't like eggheads (See: Al Gore), but even more then eggheads, many Americans (and nearly all Bible-thumping, repressive Republicans) still express a profound anxiety towards intelligent, savvy, independent women.

I'm sorry to see Michelle have go through this process, but if there's anybody who is aware of the power of image in politics, and its double-edged truth, it's Obama. Maybe one day we can have a first lady who isn't required to be cover material for Southern Living.

I personally don't care whether she said pathetic or empathetic. Most men around here are pathetic, & very few empathetic. I would rather hear someone speaking their own mind, without trying so hard not to say the wrong thing. Barack could take a few lessons from her, he's really hard to listen to when he's not reading from a prompter.

Obama wants change, here's one for ya, let the wives have a debate. Cindy is firing away today: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369186,00.html

I wonder why BHO thinks spouses should be "off limits", during his campaign...

LMHLAO!!

Opps here's the Cindy link. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=5201039&page=1

Better yet have all four of them at a town hall and let us normal folk have a shot at them.

Patsi

"The ones who aren't are terrorists."

Do you need assistance with the surgery to remove the tongue from your cheek? : )

Patsi, the stridency of the Obama campaign and the organized militancy of segments of Obama supporters, especially the younger crowd, really strikes me as being in the Republican mold, as well.

It is absolutely their privilege to organize in this manner. But, it's not my choice of style. And it puts me off from their candidate and the party organization it is creating.

Craig,

The one thing you neglected in your post and what has made me cringe the most is that Michelle Obama seemed to get along well with Elizabeth "I'm a Survivor" Hasselback.

It was TV, it had to be staged!

Vadaryl,

My first thought after reading this...

Better yet have all four of them at a town hall and let us normal folk have a shot at them.

Posted by: vadaryl Author Profile Page | June 19, 2008 2:47 PM

Was that Vince McMahon would be the best ringleader for that circus... I wonder if it would be on Summer Slam pay per view or on Monday night Raw?

If they would of had that interview months ago it might of been more interesting. Michelle is being coached now.

Nick, I try to be nice. It's better for your nerves.

Ack! The woman makes me want to throw up, and then of course to remember: plastic surgery is *always* a mistake, unless you want to forever look like an uber-wealthy, scary-eyed, reptilian villainess.

Here's a funny take on her GMA appearance:

http://wonkette.com/400595/cindy-mccain-fondly-recalls-her-baby-poaching-days-on-good-morning-america

Bear,

I note your blog is no longer available at

http://gdenizard.blogspot.com/

Are you no longer writing or did you get a new address?

I was always the only non-middle Eastern person in the shop. I felt fear in the air and cautiousness.
--prof marcia

you can't be serious...

Are we better off then we were 4 or 8 years ago?
Isn't that what it will all come down to in the general election?

Do people really want to keep the party in power that has brought this country down to worst shape (on all fronts) it has ever been in during my lifetime.

? I'm just wondering

Dog's eye, i watched it on YouTube from obama's site. But like I wrote this morning, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt if her people said she said "empathetic."

Craig,

I didn't think you "unfairly slammed" her in your first post. I thought you pointed out, fairly I might add, that it wasn't all lollipops and roses on her View appearance, as had been reported everywhere else. This is why we come here to you -- for more of a, excuse the expression, fair and balanced take.

wow, Hillary is getting hammered by Rendell in VP Madness 54-45 (today is the last day of voting on this round): http://innovation.cq.com/vpmadness

Lush

I ran into that same feeling on the part of others right after 9/11. There was one shop that I went to almost every day that was run by Sikhs. They wouldn't let their grandfather, a beautiful old gentleman who always came to work with them before, leave the house for over a month. He wore the traditional all white costume with a turban and they were deathly afraid yahoos would hurt him even though they weren't moslems.

There were several stories of attacks in one community near Sacramento that had been settled by Moslems. In fact our loverly government arrested one family as suspicious (mistake cleared up after a few years incarceration).

That fear was very, very real.

Craig

I wondered if that would happen. Rendell has taken himself out of the running but the virulence of the hatred towards Hillary by a large percentage of the Obama folks has been going on for months.

You go to some sites, and it isn't just verbal. It is the ugliest form of sexual assault, injury, torture and death threats. Look at how some of us who supported her here were treated, and that was mild compared to other places.

Jamie,

I pulled the plug on "Give A Monkey a Brain, He'll Swear He's the Center of the Universe" for a couple of reasons:

1. I got too lazy. I got worn down by how hard it was to come up with original material.

2. The page became home to unwelcome guests. Since I was using the IP tracker, it was easy to figure out who and where they were but I decided to pull the rip cord, clean the slate and go to an invite only format.

I'm touched that you went looking for me today though...

BTW,

Further proof why this guy is the best columnist in America...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8262606?MSNHPHMA

Jamie,

It's also possible that she's losing because people don't want her as VP.

P U

It is an on line poll and therefor by its nature totally useless as a measure of actual opinion.

I didn't like some of those matchups, and thought putting Hillary against Ed Rendell was kind of mean. What kind of twisted mind thought that up?

Huckabee won the Republican poll for vp. Definitely freeped. We've all been told over and over the Obama people are much better at using the internets

Apropos of nothing, here's the funniest thing I've seen all day:

http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/comedy/2008/06/19/bateman_best_andrewwk/index.html

If you enjoy - or even if you hate- the McClaughlin group, check out the McClaughlin Groove!

Bear,

I had never read him before. He is an excellent writer. Not sure if I agree with all his points but he sure does know how to put the letters together well.

anonymous & Jamie:

You know, I love conspiracy theories, I really do. But sometimes you've got to put away the image of a mad mob of torch-carrying, "We hate Hillary"-chanting Obama fans descending upon their local library in order to use the free internet access to find CQ Politics and skew the results of VP Madness (Democratic Edition). Have you ever considered that people might legitimately not like HRC as VP?

Hasselbeck on Obama: "[H]e seemed for a while more willing to give the fist bump to Ahmadinejad than our own General Petraeus"

From today's View

Bear,

You're right. Fabulous column. Thanks for directing us to it. I grew up in the Red Auerback era and the Celtic parade passed by my office window this moring. That column made her day perfect.

" Have you ever considered that people might legitimately not like HRC as VP? "

Of course I have. The 17 million who didn't vote for her as opposed to the almost 18 million who did.

IMHO, I think a lot of Hillary supporters have also moved on and into "general mode"...

McCain '08 ;~)

Jamie,

With all due respect, you don't honestly believe that every single person who voted for HRC wants her to be VP alongside Obama, do you? There's poll evidence out there that indicates that many of her supporters are moving towards Obama, and that many of them do not support a VP position.

"Not true, we Obama supporters have moved into general mode,"

So you admit that before the general mode you were one of them?

I've moved into General as well. I'm just saying that the enmity against Hillary is still very real and one of the possible reasons for the extreme difference in the numbers as opposed to the narrower margins on other pairings.

If they really wanted to help Michelle, somebody needs to tell the woman to get rid of the purple dress!! Quit telling people she does not wear panty hose. (good grief) Get someone with GOOD TASTE to choose her clothes. Her skirts are too tight and look cheap. Can you imagine her in our White House!!!

If they really wanted to help Michelle, somebody needs to tell the woman to get rid of the purple dress!! Quit telling people she does not wear panty hose. (good grief) Get someone with GOOD TASTE to choose her clothes. Her skirts are too tight and look cheap. Can you imagine her in our White House!!!

Posted by: Maggie Goodson

Maggie:

1905 just called and they want you to confirm for tea.

"Can you imagine her in our White House!!! "

Why yes I can. She is a beautiful woman and her skirts aren't any tighter than those worn by Jackie Kennedy.

Now the bit about the panty hose was probably a little too much information. : )

Jamie:

With all due respect, you weren't "making a point," you were engaging in paranoid speculation.

you were engaging in paranoid speculation.

Pot Kettle

PU

That's me. Send in the boys with the white coats. Heaven forbid you should actually accept any point I made without returning with an insult.

Jamie:

I'm sorry if you took what I wrote to be an insult. The *point* I was making was that attributing the results of a little-known CQ Politics Democratic VP match-up to a legion of internet-savvy bitter Obama supporters could be seen by some as being a bit paranoid. That's all.

Patsi,

I would never accuse Craig of such things. Never did, never will.

And, I swear on Dad's grave that I am not now, and have never been, a supporter of any member of the bush crime family, or their retainers, or any other republican going back to the '70s. I would like it if every American could say as much. I was an early Edwards Democrat, and would happily vote for any of the other Dems, except Gravel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_en_ot/tv_russert_replacement

he is way too "anchorman" for me... 8~(

Well at least Biden is stomping Sebilius.

Unfortunately, Richardson is beating Nunn so we can't get rid of him yet.

Clark is beating Edwards which I don't like either.

Maybe NBC should put up a "VP Madness" style matchup to see who the public wants to see in the chair.

So far of the ones prominently mentioned, I like David Gregory.

he is way too "anchorman" for me... 8~(

like appointing the widow in a politics.

As anyone heard from Tylenol lately?

KGC

I've bumped into her on Facebook but not here. I know the harshness of some of the fighting bothered her. Maybe now that things have calmed down she might return.

"... James Clyburn - the turncoat who stabbed the Clintons - both of them - repeatedly in the back. His traitorous behavior began shortly before the SC primary when he jumped on the “Bill Clinton is a racist” bandwagon for highlighting that Obama’s claims regarding the Iraq War were simply a “fairy tale.”

...Guess who were some of the beneficiaries of his budgetary largesse?... CLOSE FAMILY MEMBERS ... Here we go: Clyburn got $784,000 for the design and planning of the African American Museum in Charleston. And one of the lead architects WAS? His NEPHEW! ... The same one for whom he had $145,000 set aside for a community center in 2005. Yep! This one is good, and another two-fer: Clyburn set aside $990,000 for a Wellness Center in 2003, and has appropriated $229,000 for this year.

... his daughter is the Marketing and Membership Director there! Next up, the South Sumter Resource Center. This year, it got $282,000. That is in addition to the $670,000 it has gotten in the past.

His sister-in-law is the Housing Coordinator for the Community Development Division.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/19/such-associates/

Jamie

If you can, please pass along my regards and I hope things are going well for Mr. T

How funny would it be if Craig were the spouse of a candidate and he got hammered for liking fried bologna sandwiches or for drinking apple martinis? lol

I had never watched "The View" and had to search for channel and time, but I watched it...for 22 minutes, then when MO started talking about panty hose vs. no panty hose, that was enough! I was convinced this was going to be a fluff piece and of no consequence whatsoever.
I was truly shocked to read these last two threads to find that something newsworthy came out of it. My thought is, how could any man stay with the show when the talk turned to sleveless dressed and no panty hose? C'mon! I can guarantee I will never watch that show again.

In my wildest dreams, my main "cougar crush", Chuck(I hear angels singing, when I look at you)Todd would be the Russert replacement!!

In reality, anyone but Olbermann or Matthews will do for me.

Great idea, Jamie!!

oops, make that Red Auerbach

Jackie got critized for her caviar diet I think you can safely say the fried baloney diet would get some attention.

Bunch of Pennsylvanians showed up to vote for Rendell. He'd be a great asset to the ticket in PA, but you you folks around the country hear much about him?

no doubt whatsoever.."sweet, EMPATHETIC..." I just checked.

Rendell wants to be Secy of Energy.
When he ran for his last term of gov he said that would be his last campaign.

Dexter,

When Meredith Vierra was still on the View, I would watch...I've had a crush on her since she was on 60 Minutes. Throw in the fact that she's from RI and freely admits to going commando on the air, I was in love...

Now, the show is brutally bad to watch.

"How funny would it be if Craig were the spouse of a candidate and he got hammered for liking fried bologna sandwiches or for drinking apple martinis? lol -- Posted by: Bear"

ha, bear -- bet i would deliver west virginia

maggisd.

Updates on the FISA legislation
FISA Fight: Leahy, Feingold Say "No"
by mcjoan
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/19/143046/215/519/538493

I'll be surprised if NBC goes with "another white male" to replace Russert. I'd look for it to be either Andrea Mitchell or perhaps (and I'm sorry but I'm blanikin gon his name) the tall AA male who host the Saturday Today show and occasionally fills in on nightly news.

Lester Holt

KGC and Jamie,

If I may, TY has a new job that takes up the rest of the time besides her family care and her clerical involvement.

She will be back after she finds some time and the temperature here is a sustained 98.7 ;0)

Its still kind of radioactive with some here.

xrepublican

Only thing I've heard is that he didn't want the job, wouldn't take the job, and don't bother asking.

"Its still kind of radioactive with some here"

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh,
pretty pretty,

"Firefly come back to me
make the night as bright as day,
I'll be looking out for you
Tell me that you're lonely too
Firefly come leave me home
Follow you into the sun
That's the way it outta be
Firefly come back to me."

Sheila,

Remind her that Tylenol is the best cure for a fever...well that and more cowbell...

Anna Moose,

Pleased to meet you. ;0)

Lush

Chuck Todd does have that "Can I just cuddle up here" look about him doesn't he. : )

LOL Bear, I'll pass that along!

Lester Holt - although Gwen Ifill is still my first choice
(Andrea Mitchell is my last choice). Lester Holt is a great choice. Since I have given up any televised news(sic) I forget about all the choices. There was an earlier discussion about Aaron Brown, he's a good choice. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing the Aaron Brown Thalia Assuras team back together.

Media complain of restricted access to Obama

The US media is airing frustration over its access to Barack Obama's campaign, complaining that the Democratic nominee sets a lower standard for press relations than George Bush.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/19/barackobama.uselections20081

In fact I wouldn't mind seeing the Aaron Brown Thalia Assuras team back together.

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker

I like that idea. Don't know if anyone suggested this, but how about Carville and Matalin? At least you would know you were getting both sides.

Aaron Brown -- Whatever happened to him?

Anna Moose has a key. Here's a photograph

http://bluebison.net/sketchbook/2006/0706/moose_in_a_swamp.jpg

Andrea Mitchell is the only one who would make me groan and probably stop watching.

"Carville and Matalin?"

Not sure if they would be good for Meet The Press, but it would certainly make an entertaining Sunday show.

I would really like to see those two toned down a bit and really going head to head on the issues instead of just touting the talking points.

Alicia,

Arron Brown. When CNN gave his time slot to Cooper, they refused to release him from contract and so silenced him for two years while his contract ran out. That was last year. He's been developing DOCs for PBS since then.

Aaron Brown hosts PBS's "Wide Angle'.

Craig Crawford? Unfair about anyone who isn't named Clinton? Pfffft! Surely you jest, people! Ok, so you're right. I've learned to ignore the wonky attack bits he posts and I try to find something I can agree with in his comments. There's not much, but there's something to grab onto on occasion.

"With the help of off-the-rack dress, Michelle Obama eases harsh image

"When asked if she thought there was sexism in media coverage of Hillary Clinton's campaign, Obama replied, "Yes."

Bill Geddie, the show's executive producer, offered high praise, saying if her husband doesn't win the White House, someone should give her a talk show."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/06/18/2008-06-18_with_the_help_of_offtherack_dress_michel-2.html

from wiki...here's a breakdown of past MTP moderators

Martha Rountree 1947 – 1953
Ned Brooks 1953 – 1965
Lawrence E. Spivak 1966 – 1975
Bill Monroe 1975 – 1984
Roger Mudd / Marvin Kalb
(co-moderators) 1984 – 1985
Marvin Kalb 1985 – 1987
Chris Wallace 1987 – 1988
Garrick Utley 1989 – 1991
Tim Russert 1991 – 2008

Prior to TR, there were a few 1-2 year moderators.

Sooooooo...maybe Chuck(I think nasty thoughts when I look at you)Todd, could have the gig for just a couple years...ohhhhyeahhhhh!!

yeah, Jamie...CT is just too cute...I think it's the hair...that's what does it for me...8~P

I don't know what Michelle O said or didn't say on the View, nor do I care, but I do know that whenever people discuss the Obama's it must be viewed in CONTEXT. When MO says something that sounds like she listened intently to the sermons of the good Rev. Wright, {"mean country" & "proud for the first time"} are fine examples of Black Liberation Theology and such comments reflect her true feelings IMO. The Obama's are exemplary in their honesty and should be commended but instead their words are "cleaned up" from that messy bag of steaming CONTEXT used to explain away any and all controversial comments.

I think MO well suits BO and to their credit they have earned my ill opinion.

toast

Linda
Thanks for the list. A lot more then I would have guessed.

Who is Anna Moose?

Who are you kidding, Craig? The only person pushing this "gaffe" is you. Stop backtracking and fess up.

When MO says something that sounds like she listened intently to the sermons of the good Rev. Wright, {"mean country" & "proud for the first time"} are fine examples of Black Liberation Theology and such comments reflect her true feelings Posted by: Milquetoast

20 years? I would think so.

How could we not discuss *this* really important story?! Talk about misogyny!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0617081secrets1.html

Please allow me to say that I am not empathetic when it comes to The View because I think it is a pathetic show.

Anna has a key
Anna is bonifide
Sheila doesn't have a key, she is not bonifide.
She could be Sheila, or she could be a troll, Nobody would know because she is not bonifide.

Headline from Yahoo!:

"Obama's massive e-mail list could become a presidential tool."

Insert your own joke for that headline.

I just miss Joe Strummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYwPc6UNmo

Oh but Ana Moose!

Sheila has been around so long she can't help but be bonified. ;0)
Ask others here.

Her typekey is broken.
Typekey Techs are looking into it.

You can ignore Sheila if you want to. But She's here to stay.

I think Mrs. Chuck Todd worked on Webb's senatorial campaign.

Bear and All,

This is from Tylenol.

Awww thanks.. it's nice to be missed.. please tell Bear "Everyone needs more cowbell!" and that I probably will be back soon. The real reason is when my puter died.

She also said, she has a borrowed one, but its too slow when trying to wade through all the arguments here that are waged over and over and over. When it settles down and she gets an new one, she'll be back!

Katy Crack, how do you view Webb? He is self-proclaimed "Reagan Democrat" , the rats that gave us Ronald Reagan.

He was a Democrat but he became insanely irate as Carter gave amnesty to young men who evaded the draft and fled to Canada and Sweden and wherever else...he denounced Carter and joined the other side.
As a contrast, I am a Viet-Vet and I was ecstatic when Carter gave the amnesty...most of my fellows felt the same. "Time for healing..."
I believe Webb is a hothead and true Republican...the wolf in sheep's clothes, and I distrust him immensely. What do you think? BTW...I LOVE your dog! Great pic-in-the-video.

need work? I (and several other Crawdads) listen to Pandora, the music genome online radio project.
They need help in Ad Sales, Design, Network Enginering, and Systems Administrations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYwPc6UNmo

Nash of Utopia lamented: "misogyny" and then noted -- "I'm sorry to see Michelle have go through this process"

Ah, yet your crowd joined in on the "ball breaker" snipes at Hillary. Dare I say that payback's a Bitch...

Surprise!! *pops out from behind the bar at Crawford's Cafe* (remember that??? I was the one playing the piano!)

1) Michelle Obama can be whoever she wants to be, it is only MY opinion of course, but when Hillary made those "I don't stay home baking cookies" comments, she might have been ripped by those R.E.A.L. women, but many many million women stood up and cheered when she said it! I hope MO (is that what we're calling her?) just stands up to everyone and tells 'em to.. well..you know!

2) If you care AT ALL about whether Dems control the Whitehouse and the Legislature, keep one thing in mind. I frequent a messageboard that is adjacent to a 40+ chatroom I used to frequent. Many MANY chatters are/were from red states, and during the run-up to the Iraq war... well, there was just no reasoning with them. (They were also kind enough to tell me to butt the hell out, even though Dubya asked Canada to become part of that weird-ass Coalition of the Willing (3 nations!). My point is (and I do have one).. these same idjits are starting to post every vile anti-Obama email as fact (You know the ones.... he's Muslim, he's young and muslim, he's young, muslim and black, etc. etc. etc.) and if this is only a SLICE of Americana right now, you all better be voting DEM in November, cos those insane rep voters are going to elect ANOTHER president and congress!! HOLD yer nose if you have to but VOTE DEM!!

OK. I'm done. I'll get off the soap box. NEXT???

sorry...here's the link to Pandora jobs:

http://blog.pandora.com/jobs/

Jamie, went to the site you linked yesterday.
Her kitties look just like two of mine. Cute.
“You will find what you expect.”
* Expect it.
* Give what you expect to get in return.
http://thiseclecticlife.com/

" Have you ever considered that people might legitimately not like HRC as VP? "

Me, for one. I absolutely don't want her on that ticket.

Although, I did remind my daughter today that my vote in Tn wasn't going to count and it is a protest, and that in Ohio, she needs to be sure to get out and vote for "the Democrat."

Despite a-holes like Nash of Utopia. Sorry -- but if he can be annoying, I can be a bitch.

Tommy Vietor of the Obama campaign just called to say there is no makeover plan for Michelle. Says "The View" appearance was in the works for a long time, and not part of any new image campaign for her, as NYT reported this week. They are adding some staff to battle false internet rumors, Vietor said, but nothing more exotic than that.

"We’re adding staff across the board to prepare for the general election, but that should come as no surprise," Vietor said.

Ty,

So you decided to risk the old puter? Glad to see you back!!

Well, I just heard the biggest line of bull I've heard so far: Michelle Obama on the View saying people just aren't used to strong women. Maybe she should have reined in some of the blogger boyz during the primary.

TYLENOL!!!!!!!

So good to see you back. Hope Lardass Liberal finds out, he's been asking about you.

Well, I just heard the biggest line of bull I've heard so far: Michelle Obama on the View saying people just aren't used to strong women. Maybe she should have reined in some of the blogger boyz during the primary.

Posted by: Patsi | June 19, 2008 6:33 PM

..........?..........

Dexter
So far the bad Webb hasn't shown himself. When he got elected the likes of Joe Scarborough thought he was a great guy, I thought that cannot be good. I know what you mean about "hot head." But he has done a good so far in the Senate. I guess the fear is based on some of his writings and statements he could turn into Pat Buchanan

To me the party switching is less about policy and more about ambition.

Finian (the dog) says thank you.

Dexter
So far the bad Webb hasn't shown himself. When he got elected the likes of Joe Scarborough thought he was a great guy, I thought that cannot be good. I know what you mean about "hot head." But he has done a good so far in the Senate. I guess the fear is based on some of his writings and statements he could turn into Pat Buchanan

To me the party switching is less about policy and more about ambition.

Finian (the dog) says thank you.

"ha, bear -- bet i would deliver west virginia "

I'll bet you could, Craig! And Bear, as a fan of fried balogna sandwiches, I represent that remark.:)

"With the help of off-the-rack dress"

Now this one did make me perk up my ears though I didn't expect the guys to catch it. Her quote was something along the line of , "I have some high end things, but this is off the rack, only about a $100". It's nothing against her. She earns a six figure salary and should buy anything she likes, but from a political viewpoint might want to think about opening mouth and inserting foot.

I know some ladies out in the median family income land of $50,000 who haven't worn a $100 dress in their lifetime. May have sounded cheap to the ladies on the View, but Michele needs a walk about at Walmart.

Tylenol

I am so happy to see you.

"Its still kind of radioactive with some here. "

Damn....I seem to have forgotten how to bow and scrape!

Full moon kayaking was great. Finian did not attend.

"Its still kind of radioactive with some here. "

Damn....I seem to have forgotten how to bow and scrape!

Posted by: Patsi | June 19, 2008 6:42 PM

..................?...................

Craig what would you think of Michelle and Cindy having a town hall type event and take questions. They both seem to be involved in the election this go around.

"Sheila has been around so long she can't help but be bonified. ;0)
Ask others here. "

Sheila's right. I still remember when she first started posting.

"Sheila has been around so long she can't help but be bonified. ;0)
Ask others here. "

Sheila's right. I still remember when she first started posting.

Posted by: Patsi | June 19, 2008 6:45 PM

And when was that Patsi?

Tess,

Shelly is a beautiful person. She lives in Texas and tours the Texas Libaries and Children's facilities as a storyteller. When she isn't on the road, taking care of her family, running around like a mad woman, she takes on all sorts of charities. Her most recent being organizing "share a square" quilts for all the children at Camp Sanguinity (summer camp for children with cancer).

She is truly a very special person.

Craig do you think in the last few weeks that Obama is losing all that freshness of change that made him take off before the Texas, Ohio, and Pa. and is now like any other candidate doing whatever it takes to win. Putting on the Pin, getting a coach for his wife, saying things that people now want to hear. This to me is not change it's same old Washington Politics.

ADHOMINEM ALERT!!!!

LOLOLLOL Funny Craig!

Let's go crazy BROADWAY STYLE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af6TYmIXBcQ&feature=related

Craig have you heard from any of your sources what really happened when Hillary and Obama met a few weeks ago. I have heard all kinds of things and I don't know what to believe.

Craig,
ad hominem is two words.
You twit :-)

Thats funny too Jamie! lol

Sheila....Soon after the original blog started and I suggested people write reviews on amazon.....

If I may say so , you people are like my family to me. Well , with all the fighting that goes on here , it sure feels like I'm with my family.

"Don't miss the Satan's Breakfast: Lucky Charms with half and half. There's also suckling pig hash, blintzes and lots of other tasty grub."
http://biteclub.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2209980&mode=

If you are ever in the Western Sonoma County area, this is a great place and a chef with a wonderful sense of humor. Good wine list and not wildly expensive.

Awesome!! Tylenol...you're BACK! I thought we'd lost you. Have been wondering about you for several weeks.

dogs eye

I thought Hillary looked okay and understood that for a woman of mature years keeping that kind of schedule, she really needed clothes she could get into easily and into hair and make up fast. : -)

She has worn nice clothes since being first lady and probably well tailored and expensive, but she has never been a clothes horse or seemed to care about it that much.

" and that it took money to achieve her look."

God a'mighty.

*blushes* -- so nice to be missed!

1) Why in the world would there be a need for the potential first wives to have a townhall????? It's a vote for president, not glee club.

2) I don't think $100 is on the high end of the dress price scale. Have you SEEN the price of shoes lately? More than that!

3) Craig? Pls tell Lardass Liberal that I have missed him. I have NOT missed snorting coffee out of my nose when I read his posts however!

oh, and Craig... you've taken a heapin helpin of crapola this primary cycle, and with a great deal of humour (notice the Canadian spelling). I now know why it is said that you never discuss religion or politics at parties. Makes yer stomach turn a bit, dont it?? :)

Dog's Eye

My comment about Michelle had to do with her talking about $100 and "off the rack" in a purely political context. It had nothing to do with a criticism of her, what she was wearing, or how she looked. She looked great as she almost always does.

My comment had to do with this whole "image" thing the campaign seems to be doing with her and that some of the purple state residents (miners wives and such) to whom it might sound a little on the "elite" side which is the idea they are trying to avoid.

Oh Ok, Thanks Patsi. So long ago. I was there the first day. If doesn't matter really but I can't remember you. Just remember you coming around and writing great things about your writing and Nashville every once in the while.

I tried to have these conversations with the person name Jackie who was the first name and who didn't stay to long. But Marisa and Madmustard. Kathy....what was that girls name who had the crush on Craig. Sophia?

I can't remember. There was a seriously crazy guy named Mark Mann. Very right wing and very loud on the computer. But I do remember looking forward to your writing, when you DID show up. You must have been writing a book then. ;0)

If it's a fancy affair you would not want to show up in blue jeans would ya? Maybe today's generation could care less. Image is important to a candidate but you don;t wnt to go overboard. I thought Obama or Hillary went overboard on this one. Hillary was not much of a fancy dresser like Michelle is. Michelle is trying to push her image maybe over time that will change.

My entry dropped some letters, I did not think Obama or Hillary went overboard.

Sheila - thanks for the answer to my question. You are correct in that there are always surprises which is why I never make up my mind until I have to . I change my opinion quite often and enjoy the experience. As to KO and Tweety, regardless of their reputations, I still wonder - they certainly did not treat Hillary and Obama the same way, and that makes me unsure. But until someone gives a pop quiz I have to pass, I'll hold off on forming my final opinion - which wouldn't effect anyone on this earth, so why even bother?

Harborwoman - I knew I'd get grief for something I said here, but would never have guessed it would be about what my comment re Tim Russert. I'm truly sorry I shook you up so badly.

You are correct that I haven't heard all of the talks he has given, but my comment was simple.
I did not say that he didn't talk about his mother.

""I never heard him mention his mother, wife,sister, or any other women."

"" It isn't sinful that he wrote about his dad, but not his mom. ""

It never occurred to me to speculate about what sins he might have been guily of. I think you were referring to the comment I made about Imus comparing Gwen Iffil and cleaning ladies in a way that IMO was meant to be insulting. I said Imus's sin was in trying to insult both. I stand by that.

""As I said, I find your efforts at making up stories about Tim Russert's life stunning. Your efforts are only wild speculation. I don't understand the impulse to try to know something you cannot know.''

I wasn't trying to make up stories about his life. I was trying to understand where he came from and what background framed his opinions. I knew and know little about him but he helped to influence the world I live in so I feel I have the right to know what framed his opinions - that's all. I wasn't trying to speculate, I was wondering. That process for me can be very long and tedious and ponderous, as anyone who has read any of my emails (even this one) can attest to.

""I don't understand the impulse to try to know something you cannot know."" Do you really mean that?

Once again I am truly sorry to have upset you so badly.
I try very hard not to be offensive, at the expense of being boring. I have found you to be a very nice and warm and generous person, kind and thoughtful. I hope you are not still upset.

STOP IT! Who CARES what they wear??????

Sheila's recipe for a great blog?

DON'T AD HOMINEM! LOL!

Nick...I got off to an awful start -- triple, double, double, triple, double...before settling down to save a 49 on the front nine. Then I shot 45 on the back for a 94. Was playing a course where my goal is to shoot mid-80s.

LOL welcome home TY!

Sheila's recipe for a great blog?

DON'T AD HOMINEM! LOL!

Posted by: Corey | June 19, 2008 7:19 PM

LOL Corey is that a kind of CORN?

Patsi...saw a good story today about Emmylou Harris getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. Are you going to participate in that or be involved in the celebration in any way?

The story had some good descriptions of the Hall itself...sounds like it would be a great place to visit. I'd go just to see Maybelle Carter's guitar.

GEEEEEEEEEEZE... nothing changes does it???? I sure hope by the time the election rolls around we're discussing better things than what they wear and cookie recipes!!!!

Tylenol...you're like a sensible, spring breeze blowing in from Toronto. It's so good to have you back.

LOL Or Hominy!

Um..the breeze is from Montreal.. and it's "festival-tinged" hahaha

Tylenol...sorry about the geographic mixup. Why did I think Toronto?

But I'm the same guy who left Dwight Eisenhower and U.S. Grant off my personal list of great military-hero presidents last night.

And I had Teddy Roosevelt ranked second, until Sturgeone informed me that he peed like a girl.

So...I'm just Mr. Malaprop lately.

Oh and LL? Next time you call me sensible I'll kick yer Lardass from here back to Fla!!

Dang! That's my TY!

and how does Sturge know that Teddy peed like a girl??? (oh wait..war diaries??)

Lard,

You missed General Robert E.Lee, president of the Confederacy..

Has anybody been following this crazy Larry Sinclair event at the National Press Club yesterday. It's like a soap opra. The guy gets arrested after he spoke or near the end of him speaking. What makes it more interesting was who was behind him getting arrested. This guy is not out hiding anywhere. They could of done that weeks ago when he arrived in DC for the MI and FL decision. He went to the DNC announcing what he was going to do for a few days. Also how can this guy still be making such a fuss for this long. He is begging the media to get out there and prove him right or wrong. Does anyone in the media have the guts to put an end to this once and for all. I don't believe a word he is saying about Obama but I do agree with him that the media is not out checking this out. For Obama's sake he does not need this kind of person floating around for so long. Others may watch this and try to join this guy. Also waiting in the wings with this is the Rev. Manning, he was there when this guy got arrested. You can't make this up.

BTW<

Thanks for the mention Patsi. It was a great first year on the first incarnation of Crawfordslist. lots of Bill of Rights Lessons and Karl Rove verses Plamegate.

And I had Teddy Roosevelt ranked second, until Sturgeone informed me that he peed like a girl

Why is that a problem?

It's a long story. But apparently the big charge up San Juan hill was just a publicity stunt, and TR was really a "sissy." I was crushed. And Sturge was happy to grind what remained of my crushed soul into the dirt with his well-informed bootheel.

Julie...Lee didn't count on my list, since he was never a sitting U.S. prez. That's all I was ranking. The only one I got right was George Washington, ranked Number One.

Jamie proved me wrong on my speculation that Abraham Lincoln never was in the military. Turns out he was in a state militia in Indian wars.

I hate you people! You're all too smart!! Go away and leave me alone!!!

KGC...it's not "a problem." It's just funny.

"But I do remember looking forward to your writing, when you DID show up. "

Sorry, sweetie. But I have NEVER started posting ANYWHERE where I mentioned my specific writings. I always knew that there were stalkers out there.

It makes no difference except that you claim to be the founding mother, and sorry, but many of us were there. You certainly did post much more than I did at that time.

Good afternoon everyone, and greetings from the Turkish Bath.
I vote for David Gregory to host MTP. If he does half as well with candidates as he does with the current President and his press secretaries, he'll be very good.

Sorry Lard typekey ate part of my post

this part

Did it have to do with his big stick

KGC...LOL on the big stick.

RE Lee was President of the Confederacy. Jefferson Davis was.

"The story had some good descriptions of the Hall itself...sounds like it would be a great place to visit. I'd go just to see Maybelle Carter's guitar. "

The HOF museum is one of the best I've ever seen. It's interactive and a true learning experience. If, of course, you love the genre. If not, well, you'd be saying, "Hank WHO?"

damn..coffee through the nose again!

Patsi,

Does it really matter and YES, I didn't have much of a job back then so I was there ALL the time. But you were still a good post read. And I wasn't founding mother poster. that Jackie person was.

I admired your writing....is that so wrong?

Or I guess is TR's case a big schtick

wasn't
\Sheesh

Who is Larry Sinclair and why does his name keep popping up?

Just got off the phone with my sis in LA, who is furious at the politicization of the "gay marriage" issue there. Apparently the word is going out from gay rights advocacy organizations that gays should "tone it down" when they plan their ceremonies -- to avoid a backlash. What bullshit. Freakin' breeders get married at home plate in baseball stadiums, or jumping off bridges on bungee cords...but the image of a guy in a wedding dress, or whatever, is supposedly "too edgy"?

I'm sure the gay rights orgs are just being cynical and smart, and trying to keep the kooks away from the polls in November. But still.

She's pissed, and I pretty much agree with her.

Nick,

You are right, it was Jefferson Davis who was presient of confederacy.. I was mixing them up... I remember seeing the Davis house on the southern shore.
And to boot I have read a good deal about Lee and even have my pic taken beneath the tree he was reputed to sit under in DC.
Thanks

Read these links for info on Larry Sinclair

http://wordpress.com/tag/larry-sinclair/

also
http://larrysinclair.org/ this is his own site

Lardo

I'm with your sister. Do a Reverend Moon mass merger in Candlestick if they want to. It is absolutely no one's business but the happy couple and their friends and family.

Jamie...we're planning a wonderful family reunion (now it's just us siblings) in your old stomping grounds in August. Rented a house in Venice Beach, and are just going to hang out with each other and cook for four days. I can't wait. There are five sibs, four spouses/partners, three kids, two dogs, a cat and two birds. It's going to be a blast.

Lard: It will be interesting to see how much of an issue it turns out to be. San Diego is pretty much a red county, but we have a very active gay community and one of the best Pride week-ends going (or so I've been told). All the public officials participate, as well as police and fire fighters. Our Republican Mayor supports gay marriage.
I really feel that that issue, as well as the abortion issue, are losing ground among all but the very rabid right wing voters. Too much other stuff to worry about.

BTW Patsi,

I never said Specific writings. ;0) But you were very descriptive late at night and it was lovely. WE ALL enjoyed having you around.

GEEZ! I don't know when you got this bee in your bonnet, but I hope you let it go soon!

Only with woman does anyone suggest "makeover". Everyone makes over, over time. It's one of those *yawn* topics.

What's more to my point is to regulate the futures market on oil and get rid of Pelosi. She's not turning out well.

We need a make over in the Speaker position.

tt

Lard: As a point of personal privilege, I grew up in the Venice area as well ... in fact, went to Venice High. And, you will have a blast ... even if all you do is hang out.

Maggs...I think California politics are fascinating, although I have absolutely no grasp on them. I'm just amazed that the state of Reagan and Prop 13 continues to be reliably Democrat of late.

And Arnold has the balls to stand up to W on emissions as well as offshore drilling.

Meanwhile, my governor here in Florida is selling us out. But mark my words, the dual McCain/Crist endorsement of offshore drilling here will backfire. I think it might be enough to cost McCain the state.

Lard -- the greatest wedding ceremony my daughter and her husband attended after their own vows was a Kansas City wedding of one of my daughter's best college friends and his partner. I don't know if it was actually a legal marriage, but her friend is so rich it didn't matter...held in a swank hotel with absolute perfection. God love those boys for doing it up right.

All of Coastal Northern California is very excited about being a distination for same sex marriages. SF thinks it is going to be worth beaucoup bucks. Around here a lot of the resorts have made a big outreach as well.

Current polls show the measure against gay marriage failing. I too think people should have the wedding they want no matter what. It's not like there isn't plenty of stuff on tape already.

tiptoe: No one in Congress seems to be addressing the regulation of the futures market at all.
I am beginning to realize that both sides simply want an issue for the election.

Yep LL... all those straight marriages that are so friggin healthy... this will be the RUIN of hetero rights to misery!

Pheh.. don't get me started.. I'm part of a church that's undergoing a 'schism' because of blessing of SSU's. We can bless HAMSTERS in church, but not loving adult relationships. (Well, actually, my diocese recently passed a motion where we can, indeed, bless those relationships, but nationally it hasn't passed yet.) When are people just going to leave other people alone?

BTW, legally, in Canada, same gender unions and marriages have been legal for some time. So is marijuana. So at the next gay wedding I attend, I'm going to light up a sliff at the reception!

Well guys,

Happy AD HOMINEM!!! Have a great evening. Time to make the donuts

God, I will be so happy when the Bush years are over.

Right now, the worldwide image of "America" is menacing-looking men in Darth Vader helmets firing bullets into the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'd be thrilled for that image to shift to guys in Christian Dior wedding gowns, having a blast and enjoying freedom.

The man and his moronic minions practically ruined our country. We should just be thankful that there's still a chance at salvaging it.

maggisd
Russ Feingold did address the oil futures market.
Several others have tried to do something as well
and one measure does seem to be moving along

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opmcc065715352jun06,0,50528.story

The media could check out his documents and names and put an end to this and he will go away but as long as he can get his voice heard he will continue to make a fuss and it could spin out of control. I don't know what his connection is with this Rev. Manning but I would keep an eye out for him too. He's another wild one. Awhile back he was on KDKA radio in Pittsburgh saying he has documented proof of some things on Obama and was waiting until the right time to expose it. Maybe it was releated to this maybe not.

By the way, O-team...the new Beckham ads are causing more women to faint than your guy...:)

www.etonline.com/news/2008/06/62715/index.html

Sheila -- Bee in bonnet? YOU brought all this up a couple of months ago. When I called you on it you went all Stepford Brain on me.

Lard: I just don't get the whole drilling / no drilling argument at all. I really don't.
In the first place, the real problem is with our vehicles ... the electrical grid is only 3% petroleum-fueled....
IMHO, the only solution is to push the auto industry and the consumer into hybrids ASAP ... giving consumers a means-tested tax credit for at least one vehicle would be infinitely cheaper and more sensible than anything else we could do.
The reason that Arnold is stronger on this subject that Crist might be that he lives in Santa Monica and has likely suffered the curse of the So Cal beaches ... tar from the seepage from the old Santa Barbara offshore rigs...shut down but still leaking.

Oh...and just to be clear: I support and honor our military from Joint Chiefs Of Staff level on down to the lowliest private. Hell, I'll even throw in a shout out to SecDef Gates.

And I'll also have the back of the CIA operatives and executives who were assured that rendition and waterboarding, etc., etc., etc. had the blessing of law...and were just doing their jobs.

But it's Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Addington, Rumsfeld, Rove...and on and on...who are the war criminals who should be prosecuted after they leave office. Absolutely. It would not be a waste of time, and it would not be a distracting "look back." It would be making history right. They should be prosecuted.

KCG: We can always count on Sen Feingold to get to the heart of an issue. I occasionally disagree with him (compromise is not necessary a dirty word), but I'm pleased to see he is zeroing in on the right target.

Call me simplistic but I continue to feel that re-regulating the commodities futures markets (who ever heard of a 5% margin being a good idea?), and a huge WWII-type push into Hybrids / Hybrid plug ins would solve our problems in the shortest possible time.

Like I said before I don't believe what he is saying what is making it a story is that this guy was allowed to speak at the National Press Club, been making a fuss for so long, the arrest itself while he was there. He had 100 people attend the conference. This guy should of been shut off months ago but he's still out there. How do you feel about that?

LL? don't forget the Shadow Cabinet ... Limbaugh, Kristoll (NOT the funny one!), Ingraham, Malkin, etc.etc.etc.

Okay, now that my home phone and computer is being tapped after that last post, I'm only going to talk about quilting.

Am I the only one on here who thinks David Gregory is annoying and overrated?

Lard: Did you watch the hearings yesterday? Col Wilkinson was particularly strong in naming names ... and I have to say here that local Congressman Darryl Issa, a man for whom I generally have little regard, was equally condemnatory of the torture memos, etc.

The remark was made by someone at the hearings that Rumsfeld, John Yoo, David Addington, Alberto Gonzales (and a few others) should not plan any overseas trips in the near future, as they could quite easily be arrested if they went to Europe.

You know, speaking of quilting, you can actually slice and dice the U.S. Constitution into triangular pieces that make an interesting applique on your "Unconstitutional War On Terror" spiral quilt. Just be careful that you don't soak the batting with water while it happens to be strapped over an innocent Iraqi farmer's head.

Quilting. I love it.

Lard: Quilting? Don't you remember that group of peace activists in Florida that was infiltrated by the DOD? I believe that one of the women in that group was a Friend who was an avid quilter ... so even quilting may no longer be safe.

Found a pretty cool site

www.obama-wire.com

Lard; Particularly if the Iraqi farmer is holding electrodes in his hands.

Lardo

I went checking for some of my old hangouts and they have all disappeared except one. I was going to recommend La Boulangerie for breakfast, but the best I can come up with on the Boardwalk is Fig Trees but you have to get there early or beat the crowd off with a stick.

http://www.figtreescafe.com/

Maggs...thanks. I left Gonzalez off my list of war criminals. I love the idea of them being stalked, Nazi-style. Maybe they'll all move to Argentina after the election. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

If this guy was making a fuss let's say back in 2000 the media would not of paid any attention to him and he would of gone away by now. But now we have you tube and all these bloggers, Politico.com, mainstream media is still staying away from it like they would of done back then, maybe FOX might get intertested, there are more magazines out there that love this junk. So he has all these outlets to let lose on. But one way to put an end to it is check his story out. who is doing that?

Water-quilting:

Crafty? Of course!
American folk art? Abso-freakin-lutely!
Creative as hell? You bet!
Torture? You make the call, America.

Lardo

The whole key to understanding California is knowing that it is about six different states and none of them are speaking to each other. : )

San Diego
Inland Empire
Orange and environs
Southern Beach
Central VAlley
Northern Beach

I'm furious at our country right now. I have to sign off.
See you all later.
Thanks for coming back Ty.

Lard: Sounds like a grand idea for a seriocomic novel, doesn't it? Rumsfeld and Cheney, in particular, would be perfect as the major figures on the lam in South America.
Too bad Christopher Hitchens supports the war ... he could write it. Or, better yet ... maybe Gore Vidal has one more book left in him.

Jamie...sorry, not ignoring you. I'm just in a lather.
I definitely want to hear more about CA as the election approaches. It's a fascinating place.

Re: the futures commodities market --
I hear someone say that it is regulated here, but not in Europe and especially Britain so tha most of it is done in London.

Anyone know about that?

Jamie: I am an advocate of secession, personally. I would like to annex Baja, and join up with Oregon, Washington, British Columbia -- and possibly Hawaii --and let the rest of the country get along without us.

It was the Enron thing that did it -- the absolute callous indifference of the Feds and the rest of the country. The other thing that makes me see red is all these threats to break up the 9th circuit ... not to mention those Zonies who keep coming here every summer just as if they were free to cross the border without a by your leave. ;-)

VADaryl

"Obama and was waiting until the right time to expose it. Maybe it was releated to this maybe not."

The whole point is put up, shut up, or go hang out with the crowd on the grassy knoll.

No one but the black helicopter crowd cares.

What's more fun to talk about, Michelle's visit to the view where nothing happened, or this nutcase and what happened yesterday. Call it a diversion from all the Tim Russert talk that has been going on for a week now. It's fun to get other peoples thoughts. Why have a blog if we can't discuss different things. If you agree or not with the issue being discussed.

Personally, I like David Gregory a lot. He comes across to me as the most independent over there. Even Richard Wolfe knuckled under.

Chuck Todd started out great, but I saw looks come over his face as he realized he was saying things KO and Tweety didn't like. Eventually, he became an echo, a rubber ...mouth...lip?

Anyway, JUST MY OPINION.

Lardo

"Absolutely. It would not be a waste of time, and it would not be a distracting "look back." It would be making history right. They should be prosecuted."

Yahoo. Let's start a petition on January 20 to throw the crooks in a nice dark dungeon where they can experience the joys of waterboarding and loss of habeas corpus for a few years.

Bettyboo: It used to be regulated here. But then the NY market got permission to change its set-up and the Texas market started operating out of Dubai (what's with Dubai, anyway?) ...
I'm not all that great on economics, so I don't know if I follow it all...but the one thing that did stick with me from the recent testimony is that the commodities futures market only requires a 5% margin and the man who spoke to the issue said we could lower prices overnight if we would force them to comply with the regulations.

Ok enough Larry, how about discussing what Cindy said about Obama on ABC's morning show today.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5200823

Jamie: Don't forget the dogs (with or without muzzles) and the hoods.

Craig, Even though you're not much of a ladies man...you impress me because you hit the nail on the head...getting the pulse is after all your job!

"I am an advocate of secession"

Maggie, I advocate evicting everyone who arrived in the state after 1965 and all their descendents before Seceding, then erecting a huge wall on the Eastern Border of the three western states, extension down into Baja and requesting a takeover by Canada.

Maybe Tylenol could ask if they would be interested in a nice vacation area.

1) Thanks for the Webb reply, Katy Crack
2) Tylenol, I still think about that beautiful Christmas service video you posted...glad to see you here.

3) and , yknow? I was just saying to my self, "Self, TrailMix could SHORE use a little more argumentum ad verecundian,
I said!

VADARYL

"Why have a blog if we can't discuss different things. If you agree or not with the issue being discussed."

Because it is a deadly bore and your constant pushing of something no one but you cares about is even more boring.

Please. Pick another subject.

Larry Sinclair - Report on NPC Appearance

This is a link to a 38 Minute discussion of LS's press conference. It was recorded last night.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_tarpley_061808.mp3

yeah, no surprise about williams doing it sunday...NBC has to sort things out and run contracts through and the whole process will take longer than it took Scarbourough to land the Imus slot.
But, of course, it can't be williams...Nightly News anchor pays about $17 million per annum...MTP host may get $2 million to start , with ratings determining the final salary after a few years. I heard Russert made between $4 mil and $7 per year, but I did not research it.

I guess discussing Cindy's comments about Michelle and Obama is boring too but who is going to be the host of Meet the Press is exciting.

regarding Russert's salary, this was part of an exchange in the Scooter Libby hearings, when Russert was testifying. This is from SLATE's John Dickerson's story:

2:41 p.m.: Defense attorney Ted Wells begins cross-examining Russert. "Is it fair to say you're a valuable asset to the NBC network?" he asks. Russert, stone-faced, says, "I hope so." Next Wells asks if it's true that Meet the Press brings in more than $50 million in profits to NBC each year. (Russert isn't sure, but it sounds plausible.) Then Wells asks if it's true that Russert's salary is more than $5 million a year. This meets with an instant objection from Fitzgerald, and Russert doesn't have to answer. (The figure, true or not, certainly has a "chilling effect" on the lesser-paid reporters filling the courtroom.)

Gordo no one is interested in Larry so onto other more important issues like who is going to replace Tim on Meet the Press. Maybe some day when the mainsteam media picks it up and it goes over the top we maybe be able to discuss it again but for now let's drop it.

see, ub? Williams is just a very temporary host this Sunday...he's the big dog at NBC, and is the best evening news journalist since Chet & David, and Uncle Walter.

17 million...a year....I had no idea

There has to be more heated issues going on like the price of gas than who is going to replace Tim on Meet the Press.

It's gettting old now!

Actually there hasn't been much coverage of Cindy McCain's trip to Viet Nam. The one clip I saw, she looked about 19 in her baseball cap, pants, blouse, and tennis shoes. She really seemed to be making a connection with some of the soldiers.

RFD has pulled a lot of days off Don Imus's schedule.
I wonder if Patrick G of RFD is having second thoughts about the huge dollar commitment he made to Imus.
The summer schedule is extremely truncated on RFD.
I realize Imus is at his ranch in New Mexico, but never before did that slow down his television schedule.
Meanwhile, I just listen to opie and anthony until they skeeve me out with some nasty bit.

Sorry if you want to discuss Meet the Press all night please do, just let others bring up issues they may want to discuss without jumping down their throats for doing so, just say we would prefer not to discuss that issue.

say what you want! I understood this format is always open .
if others ignore you, you have still had your say...just don't expect an answer to every post.

Are you saying RFD is not showing IMUS all the time? I only listen to him on Radio.

I am ordering a Prius tomorrow. They say the wait is somewhere between 3-5 months so...by then I'll be ready to unload one of my other cars.

I rarely drive far, but this way I will do my part to get off oil, and wont be hindered by the price at the pump. For now I walk.

Gasoline is another reason that the republican will lose in the fall. IMO the republicans deserve to lose. I feel like LL fells....really ticked off....because it didn't have to go this way.

fells = feels

really, now is the appropriate time to discuss the rep'l for Russert. Yesterday , the final tributes, the burial...now NBC will move on.
The discussion is just getting started, not getting old.
We hashed out the Imus replacement for a couple months...Tim Russert has only been dead 6 days!

I just HOPE that NBC shows more class than they did when they gave the msnbc morning slot to Scarbourough and Brezhinski. Maybe you folks like them, but I can't stand either one.

Dex,
They both have a level of smugness, that I have trained myself to look past.....that said, fact is I do not watch them anymore.

"I'm furious at our country right now."

Lard says it ALL.

Craig.. if you're still around or if you see this later... is anyone sure that Hillary really wants to be VP? Could Supreme Court entice her? (nice addition, human rights, civil rights, reproductive rights..) How do you think the convo went?

Barack - "Hillary..what do you want?"

Hillary - "I want VEEP"

Barack - "And if VEEP isnt possible?"

etc.

I know it would have caused a national heart attack (especially amongst the press!!) but I'm kinda sad it's not going to be one of those old-fashioned conventions where they YELL OUT state by state..with .. the last one going over the top! Mannnnn those were the days!

vadaryl: you probably heard a "best of" on radio today, hosted by Bernard McGuirk. Imus is only on live or three days a week for much of the summer, with three entire weeks off completely.

Tylenol,
When was the last one like that? I recall watching with my parents, and even as a young person I thought it was fun.

SMUGNESS !!! (mika brezhinski's middle name!!) TY vadaryl!

vadaryl -----------

People who are so comfortable in their MSM world already have the answers - they know it all without the slightest bit of investigation.

Did that start this week, I only listened for a few minutes this morning and Warner was doing sports and it was current, so I did not realize he was doing the best of. Only three days a week, he's does not have that many shows in the tank to repeat that many, the bits will be so outdated since most of them were discussions of the primary. Unless he runs real old ones that were not about current events.

yeah, actually burrito, yer right.. my memories of it ARE in black and white, soooo..it was quite a while ago.. I think 68 might have been had it not for been for Bobby's assassination, there might have been one on the repub side...

what year did Anne Richards give the key-note address? was it Bill Clinton's first convention? SHE was amazing!!

Xerox Patsi.....oops
Ditto Patsi.... oops

oh I forgot -

Cut&CtrlV Patsi!

I could not agree more. : )

I remember Anne Richards with the silver spoon line...that was awesome, same year??? She was a spit-fire

My folks were /are republicans so I am sure that's what we watched.

"Barack - "Hillary..what do you want?"
Hillary - "I want VEEP"
Barack - "And if VEEP isnt possible?"

I'd be willing to bet that's not what went down.

Fox , Hannity & Colmes, says House Minority Leader John Boehner is saying that Obama campaign is writing off Ohio...

Patsi.. since we dont know what went down, I'm assuming the convo was civil. I'm also assuming there was some kind of negotiation. I'm really not certain that Hillary wants the VP job. As much as Cheney made the job different, it doesnt strike me as something HRC would be all that interested in. If the Dems do win the presidency, then she can be ANYTHING. Perhaps she wants something else. I certainly would.

Hmmmmm.................

To regulate or de-regulate?? what the heck. Let's try de-regulation for a change.

Look how it helped the airlines industry.

I think that they had a very awkward conversation, that ended up, being okay. Like it was something they both dreaded but knew they had to do. After all this is their line of work....and as in business, sometimes you have to make peace for the good of both parties.

Fox did a poll and asked if there was another terrorist attack, who would you want as president.

McCain 50 Obama 33

Favorability tied . 58%

only 31 % troubled by McCain age

oops forgot

48% troubled by Obama Youth & Inexperience

Good one Johnny boy"

John McCain " I Didn't Really Love America "

He joins Michelle i guess.

!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x7b5M2_8bY

"I'm kinda sad it's not going to be one of those old-fashioned conventions where they YELL OUT state by state..with .. the last one going over the top! Mannnnn those were the days!"

Actually as of now, it will still happen. The DNC are being real bastards but Sen. Clinton has not released her delegates. If they don't do a nomination there are going to be a lot of unhappy primary voters.

There is already a problem with Obama delegates replacing Clinton delegates in some of the caucus states and changing the original votes. Why cause unnecessary hard feelings when you say party unity is what is desired?

That 's a scary poll - seeing as we really screwed up after the last attack. Americans would want that same political party in power....God! we are the land of idiots.

excuse me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x7b5M2_8bY

Daryl

No one is taking away his freedom of speech. He can talk all he wants. The Constitution doesn't guarantee anyone will want to listen.

Hi Tylenol

How's Mr. T

My next subject was what do you think of his arrest at the club, the discussion would of been why did they wait until he was almost done to arrest him. The DC police did not know anything about this, he was arrested by US Marshels. I may of spelled that wrong. Why them? Someone may know why they were involved in a case like this. Where's the lies and smears so far?

But he did get 100 people in that room, don't know who there were. Of course he did not get a main room, that would of been over the top if they granted him that one.

Julie

Was that poll an on air or on line poll or was it done by a recognized polling group?

Ok this guy threw out a lot of liable stuff, and asked the media to verify what he is saying. Should they waste their time in doing so or let him continue making a fuss at the next event.

A couple of days ago I posted an article about the DNC not letting Hillary have a roll call vote. However since it was no quarter, I got a lot of flack. The article did say the author called the DNC and was told by the office, ( not Dean), that to insure party unity, they were not going to let her have a roll call vote of her delegates. Someone call the DNC office and see what they tell you.

The SDs who declared for Hillary can move without any problem to Obama. The pledged delegates are promised to vote for her on a first ballot unless she releases them.

If they don't get to vote for her, why bother to have primary elections at all. Just let the parties declare who their candidate is going to be and the American public be damned since it's none of their business anyway.

The media has taken a lot of heat during this primary season and this guy could be pushing their buttons and showing them up a bit. Again each time he shows up for some reason he comes with more ammo. I heard some analyst say that it is very unusual to come up with names like he did after this long period of time.

Jamie,
Better be careful or GWB will bring democracy to this country, just like he did in Iraq.

Jamie

Poll was done by Opinion Dynamics, via telephone on June 17 - 18..

Have the conventions always been in the late summer/ fall...?

Julie

The full poll gives Obama a solid win

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/061908_release_web.pdf

Here's a link that everyone can do.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/13/aol-straw-poll-june-13-20/

Larry Sinclair makes some lurid claims about Barack
...a Republican friend who worked for Ronald Reagan happened to call. He was emphatic that the Republicans cannot get involved in smears on Obama. His argument was that they would be better off losing than end up tainted with the smear of racism for decades to come.
Obamahttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/trailmix/june08/luridclaims.htm

"There are other issues that are just as important if not more so than your issues,"

Yep -- and if women are called whores during the process, WTF? Go Democrats.

I was surprised by the results. I thought for sure Obama would be winning.

VADaryl

Hate to point out the obvious but that is A OLd people

It's amazing that two of the states are blue.

Huckie said the same thing this morning about the smears. I wonder if the swift boaters will get that msg.

You know there comes a time when you realize , you didn't win. Maybe you are like me and somewhat used to being on the winning team. Or maybe on the team that really should have won, but didn't.

The DNC and the whole process is a steam rolling engine, things move so fast now-a -days, no one is looking to the past.... What was then - is not now....and they are going to fly with it....how ever they see fit.

I am not saying they are right, but I can see what's going on....We have every right to be ticked, but really, what can we do? Nothing.... absolutely nothing.....the train has left the station....

I haven't taken a position on the Larry Sinclair allegations, but I'm willing to listen. There seems to be more to this than just empty talk. It appears that the polygraph exam was a set-up designed to discredit LS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8Ys8iXTiU

The Obama campaign IS worried about the story.

Larry Sinclair led away in handcuffs; THIS IS WHAT THEY DO
Filed under: General , Obama , The Lavender Lobby @ 12:00 pm

Just as Obama has promised to “investigate” his predecessors in the Bush Administration on War Crimes charges, the campaign must view Sinclair as a serious threat and he’s become big enough now, and public awareness is far beyond what they can control…so they need to make sure he’s removed, and they did that yesterday. It is SO 1930’s Germany…and 1930’s Soviet Union.

http://caosblog.com/8035

Your right it's AOL, but it's something to keep an I on. I hope other sites will run straw polls and we can compare all of the results. I hope they run them right up to election day. Then we can compare those to the gallop and all the others. Thispoll is pen to everyone not just a select few so it will be interesting to compare them.

UB,

"the train has left the station"

Wow, am I glad I didn't get on that train--it was headed the wrong way!

"the train has left the station"

Anna forgot to wave good bye.

Bye train, Bye Bye

Flatus,
there are only two trains now : McCain and Obama....you get to pick which one to take.

My suggestion, pick the one that has the better chance of going in the right direction.

: )

Gordo, I listen to that guy and he is a Obama supporter and if anybody has any questions on what he said he said email him with any questions. His address is right at the beginning of the tape. I thought he explained the polygraph exam pretty well.

or stay at the station, there will be another train in FOUR years!

UB,

Or I could just stay home waiting for the next go around.

No matter which train arrives first, there're going to be a bunch of disgruntled passengers who believe they didn't get the package they signed for.

I know you said you would not respond any more on this subject but you just said something just now and I hope you respond to my question, who is accusing Obama of having anything to do with federal marshals arresting Sinclair? Was it that link the http://caosblog.com/8035 I did not go there and not sure if I want to. You might be interested in going to the link that Gordo sent, it's not a smear, as a matter of fact the guy talking is a Obama supporter, he sent money to Obama.

For more info, Larry Sinclair's blog:

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

VaDaryl

No online poll is accurate. They are interesting but they have absolutely no value or believability.

Jamie,
I think they should have the roll call....I was just commenting that if they choose not to, for some reason...there is nothing we can do about it.

I like the traditional process....but I also liked Hillary....I lost.

I know polls are not accurate but at least this one is open to all of us instead of just a select few. Any poll can have just the people they want to have in it. It is fun to watch the media get all bent out of shape when the exit polls don't match the results and they try to explain it. This one does not match any of the major polls so far. It will be interesting to track it over the next few months and see if it continues. I do hope CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBS, ABC have one running too. At least we all have a chance to respond. Maybe word can get out that they are running these and we can get a better sample of opinions.

Was the 2008 Democratic Primary Election Fixed?

"The Democratic party overturned the election results.

Had Michigan and Florida both seated their delegates in full like Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina did, and the delegates had been counted as the voters voted, then the results of the election would have been:

Hillary Clinton 1,725 pledged delegates
Barack Obama 1,707 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton would have won the pledged delegate count by 18 delegates."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/was-the-2008-democratic-primary-election-fixed/#more-318

No roll call and Will Rogers would never have been nominated and received votes as Oklahoma's favorite son. The traditions are fun. Why wipe them out of existence just to be pricks about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaR_gv1I_jc

What are the actual delegate counts now?

I think we will see a roll call.... it will add to the color of the whole race, and it will acknowledge the achievement of Hillary (first woman to earn so many votes in a primary) and they will use this is such a way .....that I could almost bet it will bring tears to the eyes of her supporters....then they will transition to the first Back American.....as the next President of the United States.

I bet it will all be very moving.

"What do you have against spending a few nights in a nice hotel, wearing silly hats and drinking too much"

Hey get togethers are fun, just don't pretend it is a convention of anything more important than Fuller Brush Salesmen.

Bethyboo what is your choice?

McCain torture - okay
McCain Off-shore drilling - okay
McCain 45 nuclear plants - okay (goal 100)

I could never come up with any method that Hillary could win the pledged delegates without the supers playing a rule, Obama always came out ahead, including FL & MI. How did they do it?

I 'd like to go- just to see what a convention is actually like........

Good night all.

I see on CNN they have Obama with 1763 pledged and Hillary with 1640. No way she gets over 100 pledged delegates if they counted FL & MI. I don't see how they had her winning by 18. Popular vote maybe.

total claustrophobia..... I need air....fresh air.....not left-over drunk breath.....lol

Bethyboo...

I'm sorry you interpreted my remarks last night as having been directed at you. There were actually quite a few posters who had spent a good part of the day speculating on why Tim Russert did or did not do a variety of things...mostly having to do with women, be they his mother, sisters, or other women. I found the exercise silly and said so. However, I was neither shaken up nor upset, just annoyed that a group of people who usually behave in an intelligent fashion were speculating wildly on the unknowable.

"I don't understand the impulse to try to know something you cannot know." While I understand your impulse to question this statement, I have to tell you that I mean it whole-heartedly in the context of my other words, which were meant to indicate that none of us gets to live the lives of others, nor do we get to know all of their motives or meanings. It is fruitless to speculate on why Tim Russert wrote about his father, but not his mother. The man simply chose to write a particular book on a particular topic. Buy it, read it and enjoy it if you wish, but don't pan the man for not writing the book you might have written.

Again, bethyboo, these words are not directed only at you. I didn't name names last night, and I won't now, but there were comments by a number of posters that ultimately led to my late night post regarding Tim Russert.

sleep tight Jamie.

lol

Funny thing, a while back I told my friend...my best girl-friend....there was no way in hell I would vote Obama......no matter what, no way period the end.....not going to happen.

Now I see no other choice.

U B
Yes and there wasn't anything we could do about Fl. and MI. either!!! Obama = Selected not Elected!! No Thanks.I will set this one out!!! May the best man win.

Tony -I understand that feeling, but what does that get you?

What is going to get you in four years ? are you going to sit out then too?

Imagine, what if - McCain wins

Imagine, what if - Obama wins

Tony,
You can sit out if you want, but I like you to consider voting....at least you can express your feelings toward the choices at hand.

Might be voting for the lessor of two evils, but please consider voting, after all it is a right.....many don't have that right....at least consider.

U B
The DNC is at fault and yes the rest of us will pay the price!! Hopefully in four years they will have changed the rules and become the Democratic party again.A party that counts all votes and doesn't select its nominee with Super Peaple!! What Shit

Unlikely -- HA! There's the rub. And as usual, that has pressed an unfortunate button, and I see I have gone on and on. Please read as far as you can. sorry.

For most people, at the end of the line I think it's an accumulation of things that helps make the decision.

I am horrified by our choices. One moment I think I just cannot vote for Obama, and then I say, okay, that means I'll vote for McCain.......and that leads to a primal scream.

I am hoping that from now to election day someone will do something to make either choice palatable. I may end up holding my nose, as TY suggested, but I do expect to vote.

I was 17yrs and 11.5 months old when JFK and Nixon ran. I was at college in middle Illinois and all the Chicago kids were laughing that Chicago would decide it. They didn't stay around to listen cuz they knew JFK had chicago. Now the machine is dabbling in my life now. I don't remember if I could have voted at the age of 18 - when did that start?

I never have missed a presidential race yet and don't want to this time, but I have NEVER been so dismayed at the choices, as you say. I'm beginning ti think this is the end of this country as we know it. Our standards are slipping - no one in the DNC even gives lip service to the concept of fair play - our media acts like ad hoc election committees for various politicians - there is no referee in this battle.

I don't know if you have heard Jay Leno's (?) joke that Hillary wants to be veep so much, she's offered to give Obama a lap dance. What is the male equivalent of that? What would Bill Richardson offer to do? Not quite so "funny" is it, but who has the power or authority to give a s--t?

One Moslem I heard, on Jon Stewart (I think) - maybe the guy who wrote about the Emerald City (Green Zone)
said part of the problem with the fight between religions is that there is no Pope within Islam. There is no go-to guy. That makes sense to me. Altho many Christians don't follow the Pope, he does have some gravitas in the Christian world.

I agree.

But do you want to punish the entire country and world or your party?

Do you think a McCain win will do anything to help you or your concerns?

NEW THREAD IS UP...BOUNCE ON OVER

1971 the right to for for those 18

U B
Sorry for the spelling in the previous post,typing to fast and no preview.Thats PEOPLE!!!
Let me clarify i intend on voting down ticket Dems. and am considering voting Green.No DNC selection and no trust.Thankyou for your good points of view and they are not wrong just not right for me!!!

NEW THREAD

Unlikely - No, I don't think a McCain win will help anything, but I'm not sure an Obama win will either. That's what I mean - I'm not sure which one is better.

Every time O does his heavy-handed stuff, itmakes me more wary. I do not think we are seeing the real Obamas so I am going by what ever I see him do now. He makes hard and fast decisions, which I doubt are really his decisions because they are so forceful and
"I don't care what anybody thinks."

So whatever each one of them does each day just gets added to my "lists" and they will eventually coalesce into a single view of each. I enjoy hearing others views and opinions but I like to form my choices totally on what I hear someone say or read what they write. So I'm watching them.

I will not vote just to satisfy my own ego or whatever - I will vote for the candidate I think will work for this country the hardest and wisest. I would love it to be Obama but.......the thing is McCain and a democratic congress does present an alternative.

Sorry. I've enjoyed the conversation, however, and you've given me something to think about. Thanks.

CCrawford; 06/19/08, 6:32pm........ You said no makeover for MO - Oh No, say it isn't so - if anybody could use a coach or a makeover it's MO, she's a disaster in the "sense" and "sensibility" department.

Telling people she doesn't wear pantyhose(who cares), she wears $100 dresses and pays $10,000. for lessons and sports etc.for her children, what a way to win the blue-collar vote of people who are just scraping by.

Vadaryl mentioned something previously about MO and Cindy Mc. in a town hall, would this be with, or without, lapel pins, and pride of country????

I agree with Patsi who says that Beckham's ads are better received than BO's. But I believe there's a better comparison of those two - neither one has produced much for all money that's been put out for them.

BO is a political hack and she's just as ambitious as he is to "get even" with whitey......Where's Caroline Kennedy when you need her, Italy?????

I hope Richardson gets the VP position, even Judas got his 30 pieces of silver, didn't he? Besides, the party needs to go down and be shaken up after their act this primary season.

When BO was born in Hawaii, was it a state? and at that time didn't people take the nationality of their father? If so, maybe he's not a legitimate candidate? One can only hope.....

Let's discuss Michelle's senior thesis in college instead of the fake setup fluff from the imbecile show, The View".

It would be more revealing to discuss her thesis, seriously.

Or even the many facts behind Obama the MSM refuse to ever discuss regarding Obambi.

His lies are piling up-
http://politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com/

Frankly I thought Michele Obama looked stiff and overly girlish. She seemed really fake to me and I really think people see through things that are not real. That whole show is quite ridiculous and I don't understand the need to pander to the lowest level of intelect of women.