Craig Crawford's Trail Mix

Speaking of a guy who probably is off McCain's VP list now:

"In an essay Bobby Jindal wrote in 1994 for the New Oxford Review, a serious right-wing Catholic journal, Jindal narrated a bizarre story of a personal encounter with a demon, in which he participated in an exorcism with a group of college friends. And not only did they cast out the supernatural spirit that had possessed his friend, Jindal wrote that he believes that their ritual may well have cured her cancer. "

The candidate who can communicate with the middle class without sounding condescending will have the advantage in my humble middle class opinion. It's a gift that left wing progressives don't seem to have. Bill Clinton has it--he could have a conversation in the faculty lounge at Harvard and then go to McDonalds for lunch and have a meaningful conversation with the person clearing the tables.

Margaret Carlson was on NPR last week and made the comment that Obama needs to eat a Taco to help him connect "to those kind of people." I had to laugh when she said that wondering if she also feels that journalists who eat Doritos are "those kind of people."

Craig, a blogger I can believe in. It's true!

Craig,
As far as candidates, I'll believe in one that's sincere. And honest.
Got any of those around?

Bill Clinton has it--he could have a conversation in the faculty lounge at Harvard and then go to McDonalds for lunch and have a meaningful conversation with the person clearing the tables. Posted by: ubns | June 12, 2008 6:52 AM

ubns, you made me laugh with that one.
A perfect description of Bill Clinton-there lies his secret.

Craig Crawford for Prez! All you have to do is get a ranch in Texas. Crawford , Texas...maybe?

First thin I saw when I turned on the TV this morning was:
Obama camp slams McCain for being "confused?.
Reminded me of Craig's ageism blog the other day.

Well, I've just broke Lards 4 block rule. I'm talking to myself. Have a good day.

ROTFLMHLAO @ PRESIDENTIAL PENIS!!!!

craig mentioned that "confused" word on imus this AM.........when 2 or more from the same camp use the same word it shows where they intend to go ..........Im waiting on the word "doddering".........

And???

November's Magic Numbers

WASHINGTON -- Presidential politics, like football, chess and other rule-bound competitions, is simple in objective but complex in execution...

2016: Assuming, not rashly, that Barack Obama wins, 2016 is the next time Hillary Clinton, who will then be 68, can seek the Democratic nomination. By then, the median age of the electorate will be 47, so for many millions of voters, Bill Clinton's tenure will seem only slightly less distant than Grover Cleveland's, the last Democratic presidency that did not make sensible citizens wince.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/by_the_numbers.html

OK, pay attention: There is no “age card.” A person CAN be too old to be president.

A person CANNOT be too female to be president. Therefore, voting against a woman because she is a woman is sexism.

A person CANNOT be too black to be president. Therefore, voting against a black because he is black is racism.

But a person CAN be too old. For instance, I think most would agree that 95 is too old to be president. Believing that is not ageism.

So…"How old is too old" is a legitimate question. Opinions vary. But referring to McCain’s’ age is not ageism.

BTW, he’s way too old and out of touch with today’s America.

Great video Craig -- It is all about the props. Your "Made in China" flag pin is perfect! That tie is little too fashion forward for a politician. Nice, though.

I was reading an account by one of the local DEMs of the Obamafest in Manassas. She wrote that an Obama staffer at the gate approached then to ask if they would like to be seated in the VIP section. She said she fit a "demographic that Obama wanted to highlight." She is Caucasian with grey hair. She was shuttled to a holding area which was set up with snacks, drinks and seating. It was all very nice, but with a catch -- the VIPs were to be the props behind Obama, in camera range and had to stand on risers for an hour and a half. Before they were hustle to their places, everyone was strongly encouraged to use the potty, because one in position, they would not be allowed to move. Must not ruin that camera shot.

Sturgeone , care to comment?

Craig, From standing on a chair on top of a table on your front lawn, to a video blog. You have come so far. But was that a keychain rather than a lapel pin? Clearly, you were pandering to us…and the manufacturers in China. : )

Never noticed BO’s hand gesture before. Reminds me of The Kids In The Hall skit…”I’m crushing your head, I’m crushing your head, I’m crushing your head. You’re all a bunch of flatheads.”

"Barack Obama is having the first postprimary crisis, a moment in which the only conceivable response is: what was he thinking?
...............at least they can’t blame this one on Hillary."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/opinion/12collins.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

corey.............yeah, but..........

Anybody just see Scarborough? He is a total cry baby.

What makes him think John McCain is above criticism just because he was in the service?

The Republicans set the standard 4 years ago with their treatment of John Kerry.

That's why every time I start thinking those folks aren't all bad I get reminded very quickly what a pack of hypocrites they are.

Lurking
Aging Hipster

I vote for Craig! Always enjoy him on Imus. This morning he mentioned the sexism directed towards Clinton and the ageism regarding McCain. I imagine Imus, being a McCain supporter, will pick up on the ageism. He didn't respond to Craig's comment on sexism and I didn't expect him to. He has done a fine job of cleaning up his racist statements, but seems to forget that his blunder last year was not only racist but sexist as well. The show has become so bland now (safe sexism-always tolerated) I almost miss the days when he abused everyone. Nowadays I only watch when Craig is on.

Blue -- You never noticed that little pincer grasp hand gesture of Obama's? What about how he never looks straight on when speaking -- it's always that side to side teleprompter head thing, and most annoying of all is that upward chin thrust. The cadence is tiresome too. Memo to Barack: Okay, WE GET IT. YOU ARE THE GREATEST LIVING SPEAKER OF THE WESTERN WORLD. Now start talking like a normal person.

Last week I mentioned if you thought food and gas prices were high now, we better hope the mid-west doesn't have a drought this summer during peak growing season. Stupid me I forgot about spring floods, which are now ravaging the corn fields across the mid-west. Corn is expected to go o $8.00 a bushel, Dec 2008 corn is now trading at $7.34. Corn normally trade between $3 to $4 a bushel. The 2007-2008 corn carryover number is 1.438 billion bushels, quite a bit lower than what was expected. This can only equates into your corn flakes and filling-up your car will only increase. Plus what happens if we have a drought this summer? Ethanol from corn, a major food source, what a marvelous "F"ing idea. But if you think we have it bad, in Spain the cities of Barcelona and Seville have little or no gas due to the truckers parking their rigs in boycott of the high cost of diesel fuel. God lets hope that idea doesn't catch on here in the US.

I see that the jihadists are out there trying to help mccain.....lol

Never noticed BO’s hand gesture before. Reminds me of The Kids In The Hall skit…”I’m crushing your head, I’m crushing your head, I’m crushing your head. You’re all a bunch of flatheads.”

Looks more like a pinch to me.
The one I like is when he puts his index finger up (and we won't mentioned which one he used when talking at a rally about Hillary) at debates to show his disagreement and that he has something to say. I've even hold his hand up to ask to be called on like we used to do in elementary school.
So well mannered, sometimes.

Ethanol seemed like a good idea, FRY, and I was all for it....but the road to hell is paved.....

etc etc etc

out Hipster

JP, milltown,

And a person can lack from to little experience to be POTUS.

Chloe-

If I had known about Lard's 4 block rule I would have replied to your comments to keep you from the penalty box.

Speaking of China, here's another boycott Beijing moment. "...laptops and e-mail devices taken to the Beijing Olympics are likely to be penetrated by Chinese agents aiming to steal secrets or plant bugs to infiltrate U.S. computer networks."

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5042616&page=1

So if this blog gets converted to Pinying system by the end of August, we'll know why.

fry - Luckily, like many Americans, I have prepared for famine over the past 5 years or so by stockpiling food in my body.

hehe. i recently picked up a gig writing statements and speeches and whatnot for a local candidate. your video made a great "textbook" for a subject that is actually quite new to me. thanks for pointing out what i need to look for in a speech!

Alicia - Yeah, BO is more equipped to be the president of Toastmasters.

Yep, they need to think outside the box with regard to new energy sources. Not ANWAR and not using food.

Maybe we will catch up with Japan & Europe and get super-duper fast trains.

I saw that RR ad from Craig's video on TV the other day. That should resonate with people soon.

Another great video Craig! Thanks!

Also...tell CQ's ad department I love the new freight train spot.

Not that we're gonna have to start hopping freight trains...

Thank you , Sturge! I'm off to bed now. Have a good day all.

Chloe...UBNS...

I only apply my "rules" to myself -- to keep from getting longwinded! Would never apply them to either of you.

Anybody just see Scarborough? kcowley | June 12, 2008 7:48 \

Only thing I heard Scarborough say this morning, in response to someone saying McCain was confused, was that "his grandmother is 71, and she's doing fine in the nursing home".
After that, i just turned it off. The sarcasm was bad enough, but add to that the fact that's he's too old to have a grandmother that age made it all the more ridiculous. And he said it as though he were serious.

Lard, works for me.
I tend to get long winded myself, in case you haven't noticed.

One of BHO's many gestures is stroking his face with his hand while talking. And he often strokes his face using his middle finger.

I happened to catch him on TV the previous week right after he received enough votes. He was very animated that day, walking vigorously back and forth on the stage, waving his hands above his head while he spoke, raising his voice higher and higher to keep pace with the cheering crowd. I kept thinking to myself, I have seen this act somewhere else, and then it dawned on me who use to do the exact same thing. JIMMY SWAGGER! It wouldn't surprised me to hear BHO was now Speaking in Tongues.

Good Morning All.......

I nominate Craig Crawford as a "Blogger You Can Believe In!". Any seconds?? Good
video. Satire is good for the soul.

BTW Obama is a Goof without a teleprompter, or a speech in front of him, no wonder he doesn't want to do Town Hall Meetings with Grandpa. Patience is a virtue, he's just going to keep going downhill, and she's(MO) going to be right there with him. They are sooooo phoney.

Lard-

I was just kidding. From reading your posts, I figure you're a "live and let live" kind of person.

ubns...LOL. That attitude is what I shoot for on my good days. Don't always hit the mark, though.

It's just a little after 8:00 and I wish I had counted the number of times I have heard the word confused this morning. Lost his bearings has been repeated numerous times, doddering, several. If I didn't know better I would think somebody's trying to say Senator McCain is old.

And it continues. Joe just said confused again.

Since I wrote that post at 8:20, I have counted confused 7 times and lost his bearings 5 times.

good morning gang....

Craig.... now THAT"S a lapel pin!

now we need to take up a collection to get you a pick-up truck with monster tires...... be a real American..... no more crummy Jappy car....

oh yeah..... and that train ad..... must be some kinda code for a phallus symbol....

chloe- I just can't watch that channel anymore, the combination of Mica and Andrea pushes me right over the edge! I did tune in for a couple of weeks when Hillary was his girlfriend, but then he disappeared and so did I.

RR,

Doesn't your husband drive a truck? If so do you know what he is paying for diesel?

I am sort of disappointed in Andrea Mitchell. No not because she is in the bag for BHO, but for a UoP grad, a main NBC news reporter, someone who has been on TV for many many a year, she seems to have a very hard to accurately express herself with constantly stumbling all over her words. As far as Mica goes, I don't know why she just doesn't don a T-shirt claiming she is the true "OBAMA GIRL".

in the last thread Alicia Knight posted this, "Doots -- I think you mean the Treaty Oak which is about 6 blocks fro the Gov's Mansion.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Oak,_Austin"

Yes, Alicia that is it. Thanks my memory is not as good as it used to be you know PSTD and all.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Their leading questions and comments were unbearable, as were the forced frozen smiles on their faces or looks of incredulity when someone said something positive about Hillary. So much for journalism 101.

mornin' all.

Hipster, I don't recall Scarborough being so irate 8 years ago when the bashing was coming from the rupugs - of course there was no MOJO then so his views weren't so obvious. Actually, he redeemed himself and made fun of Mika for being surprised that Obama is engaging in politics.

Fry, I think Andrea is stumbling over her words because she doesn't believe what she's saying and is trying to make it sound wise and insightful nonetheless.

btw, was it sturg or Bowman who commented yesterday morning that GE would want to see McGrandpa in the WH instead of the golden one? Oh, you skeptics. See, you doubters, MSNBC just spent the better part of the morning criticizing the Obama camp from just about every angle over the confused and not hip on foreign policy campaign angle. And for god's sake, can't Obama get a frickin' foreign policy advisor who can argue that spending 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton does not make you an expert on foreign policy issues? It may give you a unique and irreplaceable perspective on the sacrifices of service in the military during wartime (and would make me expect a less warlike stance from him, but that wouldn't appeal to his base, would it?), but it has nothing to do with foreign policy. Now how hard is that?

Thinking? he was thinking? What was he thinking?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/opinion/12collins.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Judgment? He was exercising judgment? What the hell kind of judgment is this?

JHC

OOOPPPSS - I see chloe already posted Collins' column.

f I had known about Lard's 4 block rule I would have replied to your comments to keep you from the penalty box.
Posted by: ubns | June 12, 2008 7:56 AM

ubns,
I laughed so hard when I just saw this.
Also, actually it was supposed to be '4 blog rule', one of my many typos.

Alicia, it's so hard to speak like a normal person and still make everything you say sound like soaring rhetoric.

Oh, and thanks for saving me, chloe.

"He was very animated that day, walking vigorously back and forth on the stage, waving his hands above his head,,,.. raising his voice higher and higher......, ..then it dawned on me who use to do the exact same thing. JIMMY SWAGGER! It wouldn't surprised me to hear BHO was now Speaking in Tongues." FryDaddy | June 12, 2008 8:13 AM

LOL, Wish I'd seen that. You guys are killing me today.

Should we expect an "I have sinned" moment over the Johnson FU? That would complete the picture wouldn't it?

here is a nice promo for yall that are thinking of a protest vote.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Here's a great article by Timothy Egan about keeping politics and religion in their proper places. I, of course, doubt that either campaign will either read or if they do, heed his advice. But what a refreshing change if they did.

http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/godless/index.html

Over the last 30 years, church and state have become far more entangled than any of our fair-minded founders and their better successors — including some chiseled on Mount Rushmore — envisioned.

Pogo,
Thanks for the link.
That's my husbands favorite pet peeves. Religion combined with Government.

Fry....
no..... my hubby's not a truck driver.... he's a networking specialist working for Hewlett Packard....

he does own a pick-up truck..... but it mostly sits in our driveway cuz he works from home.....

Hipster!.... it's great to see you again....
don't be such a stranger.....

chloe, it's one of my wife's husband's pet peeves, too!!

Good morning all.
Did any of you who watched MoJo get the allusion to the idea that Eric Holder might be the next one to go off the vetting team? Due to his participation in the Marc Rich pardon?
Wonder what they will find out about Caroline Kennedy? And will anyone over the age of 18 ever be found pure enough to serve on an Obama cabinet?

chloe, pogo: I join both sets of husbands. It was the main reason I didn't vote for Jimmy Carter. Not anti-religion, just suspicious of those who wear their religion on their sleeve.
Although, in defense of Barack Obama, he pretty much has to talk about his religion to defend against the perception that he is a Muslim.
Although, what would be wrong with that?

"....."The pople will get exactly what they deserve!"
Maybe we as a people deserve JmC or BO and continue to live hardship throughout....." Don´t blame me..... Jason | June 12, 2008 2:19 AM http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/obamas-vetting-blunder.html#comment-101410

Jason,
I don't thinks it's so much we'll get what we deserve, as it is, we were sold the goods, not knowing what we were getting.

chloe: And by the time people started to figure it out, it was just way too late.

Good morning All.

I left too early last night. When Sturgeone starts quoting Horace, you know the evening is going to be fun.

Craig,

Great video. Love the train ad. Now if the freight people all the rails were given to would only let the passenger trains use them a little more often, we might survive the airline and gas price mess.

maggs, silly woman. All muslims are terrorists (or is it extremists? I get those confused.) who want to kill us and our way of life - even if they act like normal people who just hold a set of beliefs different from those of the dominant J/C religions and say that those terrorist guys are doing things that offend Allah.

Maggi,
Obama has had to defend himself, but shouldn't have to. If we didn't keep inserting Religion into our Politics, then the question wouldn't have to been asked in the first place. Peoples belief's differ, and for a President to rely on qualifying what he does on a belief of his Church of preference, is not serving all the people. What about what others may believe.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/12/disclosure-of-drug-use-and-other-unlawful-activities-is-required/#more-3010

1. Given the job for which he’s applying (President and leader of the free world), it’s certainly appropriate to seek more details about Barack Obama’s drug use and criminal activity.
2. Did Obama complete high-level professional applications truthfully, and fully disclose all potentially relevant information about his past?
3. Would Obama qualify for a Top Secret security clearance today if he were an average applicant, given his background?

All muslims are terrorists (or is it extremists? I get those confused.) who want to kill us and our way of life - : pogo June 12, 2008 10:10 AM

Sounds outrageous, but that's what you'd think to hear some people talk.

chloe, maggi, welcome to my club. We have a few members now, all pleasant folks who enjoy good company. The only requirements for membership are a dislike of wool over your eyes, a distrust of snake oil salesmen and a dislike of Kool Aid.

Looks like Paul Newman might not have cancer after all. Oops. Never mind:

http://www.usmagazine.com/paul-newman

vad, that's a noble thought, but I think that WJC and GWB have pretty much made those questions quaint and archaic - is that redundant?

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/06/speaking-of-the-candidates.html#comment-101482

vadaryl, and how are we going to get these answers? The media sure hasn't seemed interested in asking or researching any of these things that would be nice to know. And it's starting to look like he may get a more or less free ride the rest of the way too. It's starting to look like non-stop McCain bashing this time around.

The only requirements for membership are a dislike of wool over your eyes, a distrust of snake oil salesmen and a dislike of Kool Aid. pogo

Posted by: pogo Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 10:15 AM
pogo,
yes, no, no.
I'm in!

correction: yes, yes, yes

chloe, Jason: Although I do think that, on the Republican side, the best candidate was chosen from among those available.
Speaking of Republicans -- I have a new neighbor. Well, kind of a neighbor. Mitt Romney has just purchased a $12 million home on the shores at La Jolla.

chloe, I'm not pushing for answers to vad's questions - I feel certain that McGramps' guys are researching that as we speak (err, blog) and I don't plan to do anything to help him.

And at this point, I for one bash McGramps on two issues, and two issues only - his position on Iraq and his proposed continuation of the Bush economic plan. I'm sure others will come up.

chloe, nice to have you join.

maggs, do they call those summer cottages on the left coast?

Pogo .. I'm in as well. Snake-oil salesman. Wheee (to quote Mika B) ... I love it.

Pogo: No, not even here do these qualify as beach cottages. Maybe in Newport RI ... we call 'em what they are ... mansions waiting to be swept away in the next El Nino.

Pogo: The more I hear about McCain's position on Iraq the less different I think it is (in practical terms) from Sen Obama's position. Doesn't Sen Obama plan to leave residual troops for certain purposes?

Here's the real question each should be asked (by someone, anyone at all) -- what if the Iraqi government formally requests that we leave? That's something we're not good at ... I mean, we still have bases in the Philippines ...

Mitt Romney has just purchased a $12 million home on the shores at La Jolla. Posted by: maggisd | June 12, 2008 10:26

Maggi, what's he doing in California (beautiful as it is, I didn't know he had any ties there).

Oh, by the way, if you are going to use the analogy, wouldn't Obama himself be the snake oil? Axelrod would be the salesman.

Nice video, Craig. Speech instructors across the country should make copies of it and show it to their classes re: political rhetoric.

Here we go again moment: Bush saber rattling against Iran while in Europe. Is it possible that he will start another war before leaving office? The Pentagon yesterday decided to bomb the border inside Pakistan. Will BushCo leave four wars for the next president? If he even leaves office! See the Executive Order on Emergency Powers Bush signed last year providing for the suspension of elections.

chloe: I don't know what he's doing there either. One reporter speculated it might be another play for the VP slot, with the thought that he might deliver California for McCain.
I wonder if it might not have something to do with Mrs Romney's illness ... although I don't know what. They are within a stone's throw of the Salk Institute and Scripps Clinic ...

That's something we're not good at ... I mean, we still have bases in the Philippines ...Posted by: maggisd | June 12, 2008 10:36 AM

I'm not even sure we'd hear about it. And I doubt that it would affect what our top guy does if they did. He plays to his own tune, and what that is, I have no idea.

Maggi, I didn't even know his wife had an illness.

Oh, by the way, if you are going to use the analogy, wouldn't Obama himself be the snake oil? Axelrod would be the salesman.

Posted by: champ | June 12, 2008 10:37 AM

No....Axelrod is the manufacturer. Obama is the salesman.

It's Getting Crowded Under Obama's Bus

"Craig Crawford brings up another point: ..."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/its_getting_crowded_under_obam.html

chloe: She has MS. I believe that it is of the waxing and waning variety and that she is currently more or less in remission.

chloe: At one time I thought that Romney was an absolutely shoo-in to win the GOP nomination. He seemed to have all the attributes to be nominated in either Party ... tall, good looking, slick, articulate, clean-cut, no soul.

Here're Chris Cillizza's columns about Sibelius as Obama's potential running mate. Maybe he should replace Johnson.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/the_case_for_kathleen_sebelius.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/the_case_against_kathleen_sebe.html

You may be right then. It may be that he wants her to live on the beach. Beautiful weather, low stress. Doesn't get much better than La Jolla.

The Pentagon yesterday decided to bomb the border inside Pakistan. Will BushCo leave four wars for the next president? If he even leaves office! See the Executive Order on Emergency Powers Bush signed last year providing for the suspension of elections.

Posted by: eprof2 | June 12, 2008 10:38 AM

That, my friend, and pardon my first amendment, is some scary shit.

chloe: At one time I thought that Romney was an absolutely shoo-in to win the GOP nomination. He seemed to have all the attributes to be nominated in either Party ... tall, good looking, slick, articulate, clean-cut, no soul.

Posted by: maggisd | June 12, 2008 10:44 AM

...my thoughts exactly.

If I had the money, I too would buy a house in La Jolla. Nothing better than 75 degrees, every day with beautiful ocean and female views to boot...

At one time I thought that Romney was an absolutely shoo-in to win the GOP nomination. maggisd.

And he's so upbeat. As long as you can remember he's not trying to sell you something, he's so likable. He's got it all. He's the one I've hoped would be McCains VP. I know a lot of the Republicans were cheering for him and were very disappointed that he wasn't the choice. Do you like him?

of course, nothing in this election cycle has going as expected.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25116362/

$12 million house in La Jolla? Must be a tiny bungalow.

Yes, maggs, you're in - and welcome.

I think that the McCain and Obama positions are different in philosophy even if the immediate plans for troop withdrawal of the two may be similar. McCain sees it as a noble quest, badly managed. Obama sees it as a mistake, badly managed. Ultimately, I can't agree with McCain's approach - because I don't know what the next noble quest will be.

champ, I didn't mention Obama, but that's not a bad point - but the snake oil seldom tries to sell itself while the salesman chats with the townies. Using you example, Axelrod is more of a marketer and a manufacturer (as th eever clear eyed maggs has noted) - obama is the saleman of his own product - himself.

Bear, Chloe: I worked in La Jolla for many many years and my late brother lived there. It has changed a great deal over the years -- much less charming than it used to be, and just a murderous drive --- and yet, nothing so hedonistic as a late brunch on the upstairs patio at the La Valencia, or a 4th of July picnic above the Cove watching fireworks from three locations and listening to the band

I too would buy a house in La Jolla. Nothing better than 75 degrees, every day with beautiful ocean and female views to boot...Posted by: Bear | June 12, 2008 10:47 AM

paradise

frank: The housing market in San Diego County has taken a tremendous hit in recent years. It's a pretty substantial place ...

chloe: It is our standard greeting to out of town visitors, you know ... welcome to Paradise. Everyone but Zonies, of course ... they come but we mainly wish they wouldn't.

Will BushCo leave four wars for the next president? If he even leaves office! See the Executive Order on Emergency Powers Bush signed last year providing for the suspension of elections. Posted by: eprof2 A | June 12, 2008 10:38 AM

Another scary thought.

maggs, is the Carl Rogers Center still in LJ?

Maggi, I didn't realize where you live. No wonder you're always in such a good mood. Are you far from the ocean?

Pogo: I have to confess that I am not familiar with the Carl Rogers Center. More info, please?

Dog's eye: 1) The Dems and moderate Republicans will have a sufficient majority in the Senate to deny confirmation to any Justice whose viewpoint they don't accept (even McConnell is in trouble right now) and
2) I reject the notion that an American President should be chosen on the basis of what the world will think.

I doubt that the Congress is in a mood to accept any declaration by Bush under his own facially unconstitutional Executive Order, and the next president might have to go fisticuffs with him to get him out of the house and office. Of course, Roberts might decline to swear the President elect in - he is, after all, beholden to Dumya. I seem to have heard something about consent of the governed somewhere along the way, and I don't speak for anyone else, but I ain't consenting to an additional day for the Bozo (HE was DEFINITELY on the bus).

maggs, it was called something like the Center for the Study of the Person. I'm not sure it was in LaJolla, but I believe it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rogers

I don't understand how any candidate can have one thing after another knock him down but he still gains in the poll numbers.

chloe: As the crow flies I am not far ... but the geography of the area is such that I am in a completely different temperature zone. I could no more afford to live near the beach than I could afford to summer in the Hamptons. In fact, I doubt seriously if I could even afford to buy back the house I grew up in (an actual beach bungalow)
My sister in law once had a little gathering where a friend of hers showed slides from a trip to Africa. At one point the picture of a wattle and daub hut was shown and my sister in law quipped ... in La Jolla that would go for a million five.

Decline of the Senate
...""The American people live under the illusion that we have a United States Senate. The facts show that the Senate is realistically dysfunctional. It is on life support, perhaps even moribund.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_572240.html

If this would happen to McCain or Hillary they would drop fast.

Great Trail Mix Video.
Love the lapel pin...especially the made in China tag!

Craig you look wonderful. May I have the name of the person doing lighting and make-up :))))))))))))))

I guess it does not hurt if you have the media on your side. They let a lot of things go. Like today when McCain said it does not matter much on the Today show. That will be played over and over again. If Obama would of said it who know what they would of done.

... I could no more afford to live near the beach than I could afford to summer in the Hamptons. maggisd

But close enough. I know about property prices in California. It boggles the mind. And it's still over populated. (Oh, I guess that's what makes it so expensive-high demand).

Pogo: Appears that it still exists ... right in La Jolla Village. I know where it should be ... about two blocks from where I used to work. Next time I have occasion to drive to LJ I'll check it out.

maggs, don't let only Supreme Court Justices guide your thoughts on the judiciary. The magistrate judges, district court judges and circuit judges - all of whom are subject to much less scrutiny when placed in nomination for appointment - are much more numerous and do much to shape the body of law in the U.S. It is not uncommon for the Circuits to be split nearly evenly on the constitutionality or the appropriate application of laws passed by congress, and until the supreme court accepts an appeal, the law remains unsettled.

And Rogers' Center is still there.

http://www.centerfortheperson.org/

chloe: Here's the difference ... my house was 36,000 new and 67,000 when I moved into it. The last time a house at the beach sold for that little was probably in 1906.

maggs, jinx.

Rogers was a giant in the development of the counseling psychology movement (although he was a psychiatrist). He was one of my heroes in grad school.

I don't understand how any candidate can have one thing after another knock him down but he still gains in the poll numbers.
Posted by: vadaryl | June 12, 2008 11:07

Teflon.

"The Republicans set the standard 4 years ago with their treatment of John Kerry. "

Yep, Hipster -- and with Max Cleland as well.

Pogo: By and large I believe that Sen McCain accepts the notion that home-state Senators present a list of acceptable candidates for circuit and appellate judges to the President's office. That was SOP for WJC and actually even GWB has done that ... except in a few high profile cases where he sought to use the issue of judiciary appointments to rile up the base.
My only real concern about McCain in re judges is how much influence will Ted Olsen wield?

maggs, if you're into that sort of thing, his book, On Becoming a Person, is wonderful.

Pogo: Bearing in mind that I don't expect that Sen McCain will win.

Here is a link to Executive Directive 51, called National Security and Homeland Security Executive Directive 51
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Directive_51

Is it possible that BushCo would invoke it?

Pogo: I must confess that the entire field is one in which I have not had much interest, so I did not even know the name.
We poli sci / history / literature types tend not to delve much into self actualization. I'll bet my daughter would enjoy his writings.

OK folks ... Tiger and Phil tee time was 17 minutes ago .... at beautiful Torrey Pines. I have to go ....

my house was 36,000 new and 67,000 when I moved into it. maggisd

Those were the good old days in California. You could buy a new house and it would double in value before you could move into it. Even in the 70's we would watch our house go up 15-20% a year in Southern California. Then we would sell it, get a pile of money and buy a bigger and better house. The same thing would happen again. But eventually it got bad there in the late 1990's. Those days are long gone.

I doubt that Ted would have much say in any but the most controversial appointments - unless of course you think he would be McCain's AG (which is not a bad bet). I am not comforted by the notion that the state's senators and congresscritters submit an acceptable list - while I think it worked out very well for the chief judge in our district - a very thoughtful jurist with one hell of a good mind who I know well and have the utmost respect for - the process that put her there was FUed to say the least. Then again, Jay Rockefeller and Bob Byrd got her the appointment - after she switched parties and donated heavily (at laest that's how I heard it) to their campaigns.

From Hope and Change to Doubts and Fears

"But if the doubts that have persisted about him begin to grow and metastasize – if large numbers of Americans come to believe that the Obama appeal is, at its core, a mirage – then McCain has a real chance to prevail. And if he does, the Democratic party and liberalism will have a nervous breakdown unlike any we have seen."

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MWQwZWJkYjdkNjEzNjExOWU5NTQ5ZThkNmUxMjU4NmI=

My primary concern this election, as it has been from the beginning of the primary season, is how someone will react to another 9/11. (My second concern is that this country is completely run by business interests, but that's another post.)

Frankly, now that Hillary Clinton is out of the picture, I think we're screwed. I don't have an ounce of confidence in McCain or Obama should that kind of crisis, with the accompanying public hysteria, come down.

A year ago Hillary was going to be the democratic nominee, no question about it. Everybody said so. What happened?

It is just beginning sink in that I have a choice for president -- John McCain or Barack Obama. Jeeesuz, I think I'll just kill myself.

Oh, you'll be okay.

Maggie

"my house was 36,000 new and 67,000 "

The house my ex and I bought in '64 was really expensive for us at $21,900. just a 4 br 2 ba track home. It sold most recently for almost a half million. Even with the drop in the mortgage market, the prices for homes in California are insane.

"It is just beginning sink in that I have a choice for president"

You could of fooled me lizbeth. :)

1. Given the job for which he's applying (President and leader of the free world), it's certainly appropriate to seek more details about Barack Obama's drug use and criminal activity.
2. Did Obama complete high-level professional applications truthfully, and fully disclose all potentially relevant information about his past?
3. Would Obama qualify for a Top Secret security clearance today if he were an average applicant, given his background?

Interesting set of questions.
1. Well yes it would but there is a bit of a problem with his admission of drug use. BHO is the only one who was aware of it. No one from his past remembers him ever doing any drugs and were shocked when he admitted same. Criminal activity. Well you can admit to anything, it is proving it that counts. I personally always thought it was made-up story to appear what he thought main stream Americans expect a AA youth to be involved in.

2. I would have no idea on this one. I do think he pushed the envelope on claiming that he was once a professor.

3. Again there would have to be something in his background that would disqualify him from being granted such a clearance. His paper trail runs rather slim. It was said that Bill Clinton, and I think true, Bill Clinton would not have been able pass a top secret background investigation if he was to apply for a government job. George Stephanopoulos. if my memory serves me right, was reported as never receiving a top secret clearance and that is why he left the Clinton administration.

lizbeth,

You had a choice, but the D party took care of that.

"Barack Obama's drug use and criminal activity."

"I personally always thought it was made-up story to appear what he thought main stream Americans expect a AA youth to be involved in."

All BS! You did say you're a Goper, Right?

Jamie,
Even with the drop in the mortgage market, the prices for homes in California are insane.

Maybe so, but there are a number of cities in CA, Sacramento being one of them, and due mostly to the high foreclosure rate you can buy a $700k home for less than half price. $350K or lower..

Now, that wasn't very nice.

Hey Rezdog,

How do you know? Were you and BHO passing the bong around, or the mirror back in Hawaii. Who can you point to that would support his claim of cocaine use? Not even his best friends knew he used drugs. Funny after all these years and especially now that he a big famous politician, NO ONE has even tried to sell their story of party with BHO, or I use to be BHO's supplier. Since the statues of limitation has passed no one would be arrested, and since BHO admitted it, you would think someone would come forward and support his claim. They did with both Clinton and Bush, why not BHO? Because it never happened.

I seem to do it all the time, so don't feel bad .. say somethings, not realizing how they sound .. hell, even my Doc got me last time ..
I've got arthritis & stenosis of the spine, so every time I go in he ask me if I have any new pains .. well, I told him I did in several places, but the pain in my ass was hurting me the most { turned out to be a pull hamstring} .. not missing a beat, he asked "what's his name?" lol

Fry,

First, smoking (using) a little dope 20-25 years ago does not make him the big criminal you'd have us believe.

As to "maybe" trying some coke does not either and so what if there is no one to "rat' on him or see him. If there was someone "talking", that would be what you'd be commenting on the most. Probably never hear the end of it from you.

FD

"Since the statues of limitation has passed"

I didn't know it could walk. : )

Actually, I think it is hilarious that in an earlier election the right was all up in arms because Bill Clinton did smoke pot and now they are up in arms that Barack Obama may not have.

Make up your minds. What's next getting upset that he doesn't cheat on his wife unlike most legitimate politicians? : )

Rezdog,

Obviously you misunderstood my post. I was replying to a set of questions that have previously submitted. I wasn't accusing the enlighten one of being a criminal. BHO whole life should be throughly inspected, just never know when another American hater will surface.

Maggisd said this, ". I mean, we still have bases in the Philippines ...Posted by: maggisd | June 12, 2008 10:36 AM"

The agreement between the Philippines and the US expired in 1991 and was not renewed. I can't remember but I think Clark AFB was the last base to be abandoned in that year.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

The exception being those of us who have always voted Dem in the past who will no longer stand for the DNC putting up a sub-par candidate as the nom.

"cheat on his wife unlike most legitimate politicians?" : )

Jamie, You forgot to insert Republican in lieu of legitimate. :)

"Couric on the Media and Clinton"

She's dead on .. I mentioned the other day that seeing all these women go on these shows, agreeing with the men that it's just not true, pissed me off .. it's like they're trying to be " one of the boys" ...
Hillary had to endure alot more than any other person running for president .. if that had happend to BHO .. they'd be screaming from every roof top about how wrong that was ..Sharpen & Jackson would be all over the news saying that BHO was owed an apology ... and even if he got one, they'd still be screaming about it ...

I told him I did in several places, but the pain in my ass was hurting me the most { turned out to be a pull hamstring} .. not missing a beat, he asked "what's his name?" lol
Posted by: Viv Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:18 PM

lol
Viv, a doctor with a sense of humor. Didn't know there were any.

I said I was going to vote for McCain, but really I am undecided. I don't want either one of them. Maybe there really is a God and Hillary will rise from the ashes.

liz:: we can only hope!!

!:^)

CS:,, yeah, Doc Cook does, that's why I've been going to him for over 20 years ..
When Pretty Woman was a hit, he always came into the room asking me "How's Miss Vivian doing today?" with this big smile on his face ... My eye Doc has a great sense of humor too ...

I mentioned the other day that seeing all these women go on these shows, agreeing with the men that it's just not true, Viv Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:30 PM

What are they? The spokespeople for all Hillary supporters and women. If a large number of voters thought it was unfair (like 17+million) then it was unfair. They can say anything they want, but it's still what it is.

FD,

I realize those type of questions are being raised by Larry Johnson et al. So are some about McBush's Hanoi days.
Dare we question JM's patriotism?

4 Reported Dead as Tornado Hits Boy Scout Camp

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Severe-Weather.html?th&emc=th

This is so sad ... the Gov was just talking about it .. been all over the news ...

"if al Queda attemps to build a base in Iraq"

Well, you know they will, the minute we begin to withdraw. So what to do when that happens is the question.

I am undecided. I don't want either one of them. Maybe there really is a God and Hillary will rise from the ashes.
Posted by: lizbeth Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:33 PM

We can always hope. But just pick the one you trust the most. The one you can picture sitting in the oval office, making life and death decisions.

I just can't believe that of all the people in the U. S., we have ended up with these two. But when you put it that way, cs, it has to be McCain.

The exception being those of us who have always voted Dem in the past who will no longer stand for the DNC putting up a sub-par candidate as the nom.
Posted by: blueINdallas | June 12, 2008 12:29 PM

You just described me.

"What are they? The spokespeople for all Hillary supporters and women. If a large number of voters thought it was unfair (like 17+million) then it was unfair. They can say anything they want, but it's still what it is.
Posted by: cs | June 12, 2008 12:36 PM"

I agree! several channels who were the worse, even had segments talking about how it wasn't so .. think that's where I first notice these women .. I know there's alot of web sites who have been encouraging people to write the DNC & the MSM networks about it .. but we know nothing will be done about it ...

My hope is that those of us in the middle will actually have a choice (and will be on the same page) to vote for someone other than BO or McC. I only know that I will not be voting for BO. Would like to write in Hil'ry, but if voting for McC is the safest choice to make sure that the pied piper doesn't get into office, so be it.

But when you put it that way, cs, it has to be McCain.
Posted by: lizbeth Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:43 PM

That, along with all the DNC has shown us, is the decision I made, too. After all, this isn't a popularity contest, as some people seem to think it is.

Would like to write in Hil'ry, but if voting for McC is the safest choice to make sure that the pied piper doesn't get into office, so be it.Posted by: blueINdallas | June 12, 2008 12:47 PM

That's the way I see it too. I'd like to write in Hillary or not vote at all, but I feel I owe it to our Country to help keep Obama away from the steering wheel for now. At least til he's more experience and has paid his dues.

"Viv, a doctor with a sense of humor. Didn't know there were any."

My gynecologist from many years back had a lovely inscription on the ceiling of the examining room. There in lovely intertwined pink and red roses the word: RELAX

It's incredible!

I listened to Craig's performance on Imus this morning and all the concerns raised about the presidential organ, so I, for the heck of it, typed the following into my browser:

presidentialpenis.org

Now, there's a guy with real influence!

They have treated it like a reality show. That's why it is so hard to realize that this is the real deal and our choices are presented to us. But it's not American Idol, is the presidency.

Someone stated, and I believe it was on this board, that MSNBC and CNN would gradually shift their support from Obama. I believe I read that right. I'll be watching for that but I can't imagine why they would do that after working so darn hard to support him.

There's been a lot of talk about Women who wanted Hillary, are going to vote for McCain ... flipping yesterday, caught Wolf asking a woman about it & she kept assuring him that come Nov, those women WILL be on BHO's side .. I screamed at the TV, NFW, lol

My Mom, at 76, said she's not going to vote at all, first time in her life ... I'm afraid there are going to be more feeling that way, especailly the ones Mom's age ...

I agree! several channels who were the worse, even had segments talking about how it wasn't so .... but we know nothing will be done about it . Posted by: Viv Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:45 PM

They think if they say it enough, everyone will believe it.

But Viv, there is something that can be done. Writing letters sure ain't going to do it. We show them with our vote. Show the DNC, MSNBC and others their little scam didn't work. Women are going to demand respect in the future. Our vote is the only collateral we have. Use it wisely.

Actually, B'rye, if you've watched the news lately, they don't want us to leave too quickly. They are starting to inform re: weapons stashes & build trust with our troops and the new Iraqi forces.

Also, it's the economy stupid.

If only the MSM would've done their job in the beginning, BO wouldn't have had any momentum. I blame them for making it possible for the two, least-palatable candidates to get to the gen'l.

They gave BO a pass just like they gave W a pass. The free press is a great thing. The press who is, for some reason, psychologically beholden to a candidate, is a dangerous thing.

flatus I Googled the chief executive's apendage and there was Craig in all his glory and we never knew. : )

My gynecologist from many years back had a lovely inscription on the ceiling of the examining room. There in lovely intertwined pink and red roses the word: RELAX

Posted by: Jamie | June 12, 2008 12:50
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which we all know, that's so hard to do with your legs spread apart in stirups, lol

Posted by: Rezdog | June 12, 2008 11:54 AM

Really, when the NYTIMES tried to vet his drug use story they couldn't find anyone to back it up.

No wonder Oprah dumped him, she didn't need another James Frey.

Why should I have to change my name just because my party has been high-jacked by the MSM and bunch of eggheaded elitists?

cs: But Viv, there is something that can be done. Writing letters sure ain't going to do it. We show them with our vote. Show the DNC, MSNBC and others their little scam didn't work. Women are going to demand respect in the future. Our vote is the only collateral we have. Use it
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I agree, so am going to work on Mom this summer ... maybe, just maybe I can get through to her, but I doubt it ... she's pretty hardheaded, always has been, lol

The press has been disgraceful in their failure to inform us about these candidates. When they should have been delving into these things, they were flooding the major news channels with Brittney Spears, Anna Nicole and other entertainment news. Remember when they ran full days of the Anna Nicole crazy judge hearing? It was entertaining, but should have been left to court tv. I haven't noticed so much of that lately, just every grainy video anybody sends, especially of girls fighting, they will play endlessly.

Someone stated, and I believe it was on this board, that MSNBC and CNN would gradually shift their support from Obama. I believe I read that right. I'll be watching for that but I can't imagine why they would do that after working so darn hard to support him. Posted by: lizbeth Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 12:52 PM

I saw that. I believe it was Sturgeon. But he said to watch for it. Some channels will want a Republican in office. And they know how much they can accomplish by just telling us the side of the story that they want us to hear. It is more of a "reality show' than it is the news. I will never forget that after seeing how they've handle this election. I'm there to get information, not to be told what and how to think.

How are we to make a decision, when we aren't even given all the facts. It's more of a 24/7 infomercial than news.

Old Friends Say Drugs Played Bit Part in Obama’s Young Life
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09obama.html

I agree, so am going to work on Mom this summer ... maybe, just maybe I can get through to her, but I doubt it ... she's pretty hardheaded, always has been, lol
Posted by: Viv Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 1:01 PM

But don't push too hard. She has the right to do whatever she wants to do and to handle it in her own way. She's as disappointed as the rest of us.

Don't buy the lie! Polling questions are written and "sampled" to arrive at a specific outcome. This is not about getting a feel for what's going on out there, it's meant to try to influence others to follow suit. The MSM has an agenda & it's not just reporting the facts:
This is marketing, not journalism.

they were flooding the major news channels with Brittney Spears, Anna Nicole and other entertainment news.
Posted by: lizbeth | June 12, 2008 1:02 PM

It's all about ratings. I hate to admit, but I was one of those watching that Anna Nicole mess. But now they've turned this election into as much of a spectacle as that was.

Anyone know what orthopedic surgeons use for birth control?

Their personalities :->

I don't know the psychology of it, but it seems almost a brainwashing technique. Just as this morning, in a two-hour period, they repeated confused over and over. As I said earlier, I wish I had counted the number of times they said it, and similar words, but at least 25 maybe more. It was used sometimes more than once in a single sentence. I think this is designed for those who are not paying *that* close attention but will surely get the subliminal message.

I have learned that tv is the worst possible place to get reliable news. It's good for comparison, that's it. Except for Fox, I will give them credit but I think they may be caving, too. If you ever know a story from the inside, that is, the real truth, you will see how deceitful CNN and MSNBC is.

Don't buy the lie! Posted by: blueINdallas | June 12, 2008 1:07

Those polls have been so manipulated, especially nbc newsweek, you can't believe anything they say

I don't know the psychology of it, but it seems almost a brainwashing technique.

An attempted brain washing. But it didn't work. The jokes on them.

Tv is good for entertainment. That's it.

pardon if someone already posted this, but if so i didn't see it. Obama camp is wise to take on the michele rumors and go on the record with this site: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

had kerry taken swift boaters this seriously early on, he might have kept control of that story

People will believe what they want to believe.

On Issues, Obama Poetry Won't Rhyme

Barack Obama is such a stand-up guy that he'll stand up twice — once for each side of an issue. The poetry reading on change and hope is over. Now that he has to talk about real policy, there's little rhyme in the rhythm.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/froma-harrop.html

People will believe what they want to believe.
Posted by: jeejee| June 12, 2008 1:45 PM

jeejee, you can bet on that one.

"I Googled the chief executive's apendage and there was Craig in all his glory and we never knew. : )"

Jamie, it's really strange the following our leader has. :)

I would like to know just why is it considered a "smear" to be a Muslim? Half of my family is Muslim. My Muslim nieces and nephews are all born in the USA to American parents. They love this country -- even though some of their fellow Americans have behaved in very cruel ways toward them at different times.

This really ticks me off.

viv, not all of us know how hard it is to relax in that position, but it sounds right. :)))

liz, MSNBC, at least on MoJo, has begun that transition.. As I posted this morning,

btw, was it sturg or Bowman who commented yesterday morning that GE would want to see McGrandpa in the WH instead of the golden one? Oh, you skeptics. See, you doubters, MSNBC just spent the better part of the morning criticizing the Obama camp from just about every angle over the confused and not hip on foreign policy campaign angle. And for god's sake, can't Obama get a frickin' foreign policy advisor who can argue that spending 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton does not make you an expert on foreign policy issues? It may give you a unique and irreplaceable perspective on the sacrifices of service in the military during wartime (and would make me expect a less warlike stance from him, but that wouldn't appeal to his base, would it?), but it has nothing to do with foreign policy. Now how hard is that?

Posted by: pogo | June 12, 2008 9:13 AM

And Rez, it was VADaryl who raised those questions here this morning. He may have had Larry Johnson as a source, but he's have to comment on that.

And I don't care whether the Iraqis want us there or not - we should not be there, and if AQ establishes a base there, we have no more right to attack it in their borders than we have to mount an attack on AQ in Pakistan without their consent. It's the BO attempt to strike a balance between being painted as a cut and runner and for suggesting withdrawing from Iraq and trying to show he's got the stuff to be tough against the terr'ists. You each have to draw you rown conclusions as to whether he has struck the right balance.

It's a little bit late to nip anything in the bud. The bud has already in full bloom. Maybe they can use the dried petals for potpourri.

Just in case you weren't nervous enough about the financial state of things:

http://www.bankingtimes.co.uk/09062008-central-bank-body-warns-of-great-depression/

Craig,

Larry Johnson and noquarterusa is all about smearing BO. Has been at it for some time. He's just drumming up support and traffic for this website and trying to make a name for himself as many others have done so with WJC and GWB in the past.

I agree he needs to rebutt the smears from Johnson and company, but if you suggesting he go directly to LJ and the site, I think that would be a mistake. Only serve to substantiate these slimers.

Alicia, because of the way the Repugs - and dems for that matter - demonized all Muslims by overgeneralization in the wake of 9/11. Hell, very good friends of mine still believe that deep down, all Muslims hate the U.S. and would do whatever they could to kill us.

Pogo,

I acknowledged the questions in a general sense. Fry was just taking up the cause. I was commenting more so on their suitability.

FD,
I realize those type of questions are being raised by Larry Johnson et al. So are some about McBush's Hanoi days.
Dare we question JM's patriotism?"-Rezdog 12:37

Rez, oh, duh - I see the link now on vad's post from this morning.

I got this through the local evangelical e-mail network this morning( I don't know why they bother with me, I guess they're still trying to save my soul or something).

This is the exact message:

This will make you think: HOPEFULLY.

A Trivia question in Sunday School:

How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations? Guess the Answer?

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is?,

Almost a four year term to a Presidency.
All I can say is Lord Have Mercy on us.

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:

The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.

Sound like anyone you know?

End of message.

How do you prove you're not the anti-christ? DNA tests, maybe?

Speaking of a guy who probably is off McCain's VP list now:

"In an essay Bobby Jindal wrote in 1994 for the New Oxford Review, a serious right-wing Catholic journal, Jindal narrated a bizarre story of a personal encounter with a demon, in which he participated in an exorcism with a group of college friends. And not only did they cast out the supernatural spirit that had possessed his friend, Jindal wrote that he believes that their ritual may well have cured her cancer. "

Ok so this sounds sooooo Republican.

Just checked out that site about MO rumors - it's very misleading - intentionally not giving an accurate version of how this has developed. I've followed the story in detail from when it first surfaced. All the spin from all sides is not going to make any real difference. If a MO video (s) surfaces and is "devastating, jawdropping, etc" - only then will we be able to judge the impact.

Rez, you were right to credit those questions to Johnson - they are a cut/paste from the NQUSA link that I didn't notice the first time around. That series of questions as you noted - or at least suggested - have been asked of Bill Clinton and Bush, and FWIW, I complained when Bush wouldn't answer them, and to be consistent, I'd have to complain if Obama doesn't when they are asked of him.

jeejee,

And you're just as guilty of bothering me with it. lol

So are all the Clinton "women" falling in line behind Barack Obama? I saw on some poll that there was a dramatic shift.

ET, exorcism - is that what they call it now? Did Jindal mention where in the line for the gang rape he stood?

McCain holding town hall meeting tonight, Obama was invited and declined.
Again, just like he declined when Hillary asked for town hall type meeting.

Oh holy crap.. when I was a "born again" in my teen years, I was told the rapture was happening VERY soon... I wouldn't make it to full adulthood. Now it's 30 some years later and the story has been changed to say the anti-Christ was a Muslim...

How pathetic !

Jamie,

BC's problem wasn't some smoke. I refer you to his Roger Clinton, Clinton's half-brother, is caught on tape saying, "Gotta get some for my brother. He has a nose like a vacuum cleaner." Now maybe Roger was blowing some smoke of his own, I don't know, you don't know. But what I do know was Arkansas back in those days was home to some of the nation's largest cocaine smuggling operations. Home of the late Barry Seal, CIA Ops, Mena Airport. BC was governor, or States Attorney General at the time. A lot of stuff happens, knowingly and unknowingly, at far out of the way airports.

See this is what I mean, everyone talked about Bill and George using cocaine. They came out of the woodwork to tell their tales, yet Bill & George have always denied using cocaine. The enlighten one is just the opposite. BHO's tale of cocaine use is similar in some ways to the poem "Who killed Cock Robin". The Sparrow admits to having fire the arrow which killed Cock Robin, but no one saw him fire the arrow. BHO claims he has used cocaine, but no one comes forward to support his claim. I guess I am the only one who never believed BHO used cocaine.

Who would not believe such a personal story coming from a well educated, articulate, good looking AA? Why would he make up such a tale? It has to be true? No it doesn't! But this is the stereotype held by most Americans, that AA youth use/sell cocaine. To deny drug use would only make voters think he has something to hide. So tell them what they already believe. Problem with that is you are taking todays stereotype image of AA youth and doing a cut & paste job trying to fit it into a 1970's setting. This picture has been altered! At the time of his admitted cocaine use, mid to late 1970's, BHO was living in Hawaii. What did cocaine cost during that time frame in Hawaii, and how did little Barry get the money to buy the cocaine? There are no answer to these questions because no one ever asked BHO those questions, and even if they have tried to ask, BHO had a simple pat answer, "Those questions have already been answered". Ahh BHO, no they haven't, but you are smart enough not to further the tale.

Thoughts from another blog:

Jay Leno: 'Hillary Would Offer Obama Lap Dance for Vice Presidency'

I tried to think of a racist joke that would be the equivalent of Jay Leno's funny about Hillary Rodham Clinton offering Obama a lap dance in return for the Vice Presidency. But the Democratic primary has shot my sense of humor all to hell. There are some 116 million women over the age of 18 in America. Many of us will never be the same.

Hillary Rodham Clinton's historic bid for the presidency caused an unprecedented number of women and girls to tune into politics for the first time in their lives. Many of us will never forget and never recover from the violently misogynistic assault on our candidate, on us, and on our daughters.

And, yes, what hurts the most is the fact that so very many of our "progressive" friends and allies joined in the fun.

George Bush is a crack head. Is it illegal to say that?

Just checked out that site about MO rumors - it's very misleading - intentionally not giving an accurate version of how this has developed. -Gordo

G-man,

Don't go weak on me now. LOL

"I would like to know just why is it considered a "smear" to be a Muslim? Half of my family is Muslim. "

Same reason so many people smear Hispanics. Most of the new baby photos I've received from my great neices and nephews, not to mention some friends, this spring, have been of little Hispanic cuties. And the stigma is still out there. It took my great neice's husband, an American born Mexican, over a year to find a coaching job after finishing his masters degree.

And he's so "American" he gave his new son Jace, the middle name of ESPN, fer Chrissakes.

ET, not if you're just stating your opinion or the statement does not constitute a reckless disregard of the truth. You make the call. (BTW even if it were defamatory, damages are always hard to prove in defamamtion cases, and with GWB's reputation, how in the world could a comment like that hurt it?).

Socky baby here

Hey Brye Brye
LOL
It is the job description.

God, all seeing , all knowing, all powerful.

He not only knew it would happen but he made it happen. The whole frickin' mess is his fault.

giving Johnnyboy a dream so he wrote Revelations.
Piece of cake for God

Wheeeeee

Hell, if the truth be told Johnny boy had probably done a few lines to help with his hangover on the day he was shot done.

ET

"all the Clinton "women" falling in line behind Barack Obama? "

No. The younger ones are moving, but Senator Clintons hard core group consisting of mainly "Suburban white women" are not moving to Obama.

One poll showed that Obama did get a six point "bump" after Hillary suspended her campaign, but if she is added to the ticket, that bump becomes 10 points. Of course, both of these are on a national level. We will have to wait and see where those four points are living.

As I've said before if nothing untoward happens, this will either be one of the monumental landslide years or a real squeaker and those women are the ones that will make the difference.

Jamie, these are the type of people who founded the Creation Museum, where you can learn how man & dinosaurs lived together before the great flood.

Julie, you took the bait before I could stop you.LOL

But now you'v e been liberated. Congratulations. :))

jeejee, ROFL

Julie, there's no point trying to argue with religious fanatics.

People will believe what they want to believe.

Patsi -- You'll love this one -- MoveOn is trying to get the suburban soccer moms signed onto the O-Team by encouraging them to have bake sales for Obama. Unity! Unity! Now get with it girls -- get busy baking those cookies for your man!

http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/create.html?action_id=123&id=12840-8292053-n4U4_C&t=5

Eeww.. I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

The Witches of Eastwick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhiz63BbWtY

Hey Brye brye
Did god make a mistake?

Patsi

Here is the original report on that Leno quip from NOW NY at the bottom is a link for comment to NBC

http://readme.readmedia.com/news/show/And-The-Beat-Goes-On/197759

Pogo,

Thanks, yes i know I should not have taken the bait.

Julie

nick, I think the old saying is "to hell in a handbasket."

Julie, but don't you feel all light and relaxed now?

yes i know I should not have taken the bait. Posted by: julie

Julie, you know whose posts to not read. Pass them over.
Do it, you'll find you're not even curious about them. There's never anything there worth reading.

Let’s Help Barack Fight the “Smears”
Larry Johnson

"Karen Tumulty writes in Time Magazine:

When the Obama campaign got wind of the rumor in April, Michelle’s close friend and adviser Valerie Jarrett asked Michelle if there could be anything to it; the candidate’s wife dismissed it out of hand.

I did not hear about the tape until MAY. REPEAT. I DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THE TAPE UNTIL MAY. Yet, the Obama campaign knew about the tape in April. Got it? And I am the one responsible for the so called rumor?

I am happy to take credit for being the one who has put the Obama campaign on edge. But it looks like they themselves knew there was a problem."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/12/lets-help-barack-fight-the-smears/

Alicia

If you want to give Move On a piece of your mind, go here

http://pol.moveon.org/feedback/fb/form.html?tp=suggest

I offered a few choice suggestions about what they could do with their cookies.

I guess McGrampaw forgets these newfangled electonic recording devices capture your words for review later - when you least want to hear them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/mccain-2005-i-totally-sup_n_106733.html

And btw- theUSSCt issued an important ruling today - apparently they disagree about the early demise of habeus corpus for Gitmo guests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/washington/12cnd-gitmo.html?hp

"Patsi you know what I think of you (i like) but you are kidding about the ESPN name right?"

Nick, I kid you not. (I thought it was a joke at first, too...) This guy is a sports FANATIC. He's such a great guy -- smart, talented -- but completely wacked over sports. He lives and breathes it. And ESPN is his new son's middle name.

After WWII my mother was a social worker in the St Louis area working with new Americans. She had a bunch of "you named your kid what?" stories.

If your English is limited some words sound lovely even though their meaning --not so much.

My personal favorite -- Vaseline.

kc, that is indeed a slick name.

'I don't care if you think I'm racist. I just want you to think I'm thin." - Sarah Silverman

Chris Matthews just said that the key to Obama's success will not be women but white men. I take that to mean he has to win the white men and the women.

You write as if I care what you think. But then, you would think that - narcissists do. Besides, I just consider the source - as my mother suggested. Seems to work. And no need to ask me not to address you - I'm back on the wagon and won't.

If EuroTom is still awake...

http://www.robinthicke.com/

Wait a minute. We can sort out the "whose-a-racist-and-whose-not" drama later.

What I need to settle RIGHT NOW is whether jee jee was just kidding when she implied that men and dinosaurs didn't really live together before the big flood.

Because if she wasn't kidding, that means "The Flintstones" was nothing more than a big lie. And that, my friends, is HUGE!

In Chris Matthews world, women do what their men tell them to do.

LL , what's with the Royals announcer upsetting Milton Bradley? You know he's a sensitive soul!

Pogo
My older brother and I always innocently asked if the middle name was Petroleum. A few years ago, I meant some folks with the last name Jelli. I had to call my brother as soon as I was out of ear shot.

Chris Matthews just said that the key to Obama's success will not be women but white men. I take that to mean he has to win the white men and the women.: lizbeth June 12, 2008 3:17 PM

Chris Mathews always worries about Obama not being able to connect with the white men. He says that BO doesn't know how to make them feel that he's 'one of them". Can't walk in a diner and just say "sup". He can't understand it.

"In Chris Matthews world, women do what their men tell them to do.Posted by: jeejee Page | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM

But his wife's not like that. I think it's more that he doesn't see them on the same level as him.

liz, Mathews is probably right - but you probably are, too. Without both he can't win. He has to hope that the working class white male vote and the female vote will think he's the better choice and vote for him although he hasn't been able to attract them in the primaries. Matthews will be interesting to watch for the next few months - he helped Obama to the extent you can do that on MSNBC, considering its viewership. Now it's his choice in the primaries against his employer's choice in the general. Tough stage.

If The Flintstones was a lie , does that mean The Honeymooners was a lie as well? I mean , The Flintstones were pretty much based on The Honeymooners. What if Alice really WASN'T the greatest?? What if you really couldn't send someone to the moon? Oh man!!!

She's not to address you but you are going to continue to call her names. I think you should never address her again.
Posted by: anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:23 PM

Can't address someone if you don't even read their posts. It's so convenient.

Obama should try a W. Virginia strategy:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/OPINION02/806120364

I don't think Chris Matthews can connect with white men either.

They were talking about going to NASCAR or getting someone to do it for him. ha-ha. These guys are not going to vote for Obama. Then he said that the women would pretty much come around when they thought about it. I don't know, it just seems to me none of them know what they're talking about.

People don't like to be referred to as "those kind of people" or placed in these categories that can be won over by "appealing" to their demographic. It doesn't work that way.

Nick,
How's the a/c ? fixed I hope in the heat wave.
Hi, here is another one. we had neighbors whose last name was Pigg. I kid you not, they named their girls, Ima jean Pigg, And Ura jean Pigg. The girls suffered terribly in school due to their parents..

julie

LL, now you've upset me.

KC, now THAT'S funny.

Your idea of values is curious if your actions here reflect them. No, my mother taught me not to be abusive to people just because they disagree with me and to stand up against moronic assholes who bully people for the fun of it.

Damn, Julie, I should take my own advice.

Corey LOL..."Bang, Zoom..." Ralphie Boy and all that.

I hadn't heard about any flap involving the Royals announcer. I'll have to look that one up.

What were these people thinking?

http://www.famoustexans.com/imahogg.htm

Matthews wants all white men to experience the same 'tingling of the leg' sensation that he felt during one of BHO's over rehearsed speeches.

LL , he was talking about the Texas player Hamilton. How great is playing after overcoming his years of drug abuse . How he got his life together. Milton Bradley felt he was being slammed because his name got brought up in the conversation.

I don't think Chris Matthews can connect with white men either.

Matthews likes to give the impression that he grew up in a tough Philadelphia neighborhood, that he went to a normal Catholic school. Matthews went to a private Catholic Prep School, and lived in a very nice area. Matthews is the original towel snapping Frat-boy.

Ima Hogg

KGC, around here, Pigg is a common last name, and Lyon as well. It's a good thing there aren't too many girls named Ima these days.

Chris connects with me , but I suspect maybe I'm just connecting with his hair.

Oh, KGC, you beat me to it.

Mrs. Tiddy.

The front page of this morning's The State newspaper out of Columbia is really interesting . The lead story talks about the first black Republican since reconstruction being elected to the SC House.

There was no Democratic opposition so the winner of the open primary was elected.

Here's the front page along with links to readable content:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=SC_TS&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=7

There's a companion article talking about how women have been had one-more-time.

the father, the one time Gov of Texas, was supposed to be a big jokester and named his other daughter YOURA. His daughters would have been Ima and Youra Hogg. Youra did not exist. Ima died in London in 1973 at the age of 93. If you read the link KGC provided you will see they were quite wealthy. More Texas lore.

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

Corey, that article contains a pretty good description of the WV folks who live outside the few large towns here, and an interesting angle. I don't think there's anything Obama could do to win here - too many negatives the the Rs are going to exploit - but like the article says, if he could swing some percentage of the WV vote and the effort translated into a swing in some of the other states mentioned, It could make a difference and he could ultimately win the election from the effort.

Something on the lighter side.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1283244.ece

Who was it who named all his sons the same name?

lizbeth
george foreman

I don't even have a gun or a Bible to cling to. Maybe Barack will give everybody one. The old chicken in every pot strategy.

but I suspect maybe I'm just connecting with his hair.
Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | June 12, 2008 3:48 PM

Corey, don't think that's the kind of connecting he's talkin' about

I don't even have a gun or a Bible to cling to. Maybe Barack will give everybody one. jeejee

Still won't vote for him.

Chloe,

Neither will I, vote for Obama.

Thanks for the advise. Promise to heed it .

Regarding a question about my take on the propaganda video mccain made for the North Vietnamese, I said yesterday that I would research Viet Nam POWs who were later court martialed for collaboration, and report back today.

So far, I have only found one, Marine Pfc. Robert Garwood.

Garwood enlisted in the Marines in 1963; was wounded and captured 10 days short in '65. After torture, Garwood was said by other prisoners to have 'gone over'. He returned from Nam in '79, and was almost immediately court martialed and convicted.

I stand by my original statement that others besides mccain were captured and tortured by the North Vietnamese, but unlike mccain, were later court martialed.

Thanks for the advise. Promise to heed it .
Posted by: julie young 73 | June 12, 2008 4:05 PM

Julie, it works for me.
One person can cause so much damage.
But only if you let 'em.
This place is a totally different place when you know what not to read.

Frydaddy, I would love to be a tattoo artist, but I thought you could only learn it in prison.

I stand by my original statement that others besides mccain were captured and tortured by the North Vietnamese, but unlike mccain, were later court martialed.
Posted by: xrepublican | June 12, 2008 4:07 PM

and

How to Get a Tattoo or Piercing Apprenticeship
http://tattoo.about.com/cs/articles/a/apprenticeship.htm

liz, around the middle of this article Nick Kristoff touches in part on what Matthews may have been referring to, but from the opposite angle - not looking at the male vote, but at the female vote. Kristoff is a bit more factual about his opinion than Matthews, but the drift is the same.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/opinion/12kristof.html?hp

jeejee,
"Frydaddy, I would love to be a tattoo artist, but I thought you could only learn it in prison.'

Oh I hope not, that would really cloud my image of Miami Ink, and LA Ink. Lately I've been really considering getting a tattoo, but at my age I'd be worried that the tattoo may take on a totally different form in a few more years. lol

XR, didn't he decline repatriation when the others were returned. In other words didn't he desert and collaborate?

Anyone can break under torture. The Code of Conduct addresses that by requiring the individuals to resist to the extent of their ability.

People trashed Capt McCain the last time around. And they trashed another hero, Admiral Stockdale when he was a placeholder for Ross Perot.

I know a number of Vietnam POWs, To a man they show the affects of the systematic brutalization that was inflicted upon them. And, also to a man, they are patriots. And, each of the ones I knew 'spilled the beans' to their captors.

Courtesy of Fishbowl DC, who is this man?

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/news_notes/who_is_this_reporter_86930.asp#email

Hmm...

Daddy, I think it depends on where you put it. Oh, & I forgot that most places also do piercings, I'm not into that.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/12/do-not-feed-the-troll-tell-the-national-press-club-not-to-host-larry-sinclair/

Petition asking the National Press Club not to host Larry Sinclair

Garwood has a wiki entry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Garwood

Julia

Isn't that Craig's intern photo?

xrepublican,

According to a number of sources, including a former KGB general: Selected American POWs, some of them alleged turncoats, were permitted to return to the United States in 1979, shortly after U.S. Marine Robert Garwood made his presence known in Vietnam and was returned home. Garwood was court martialed and convicted of charges that he collaborated with the enemy and struck a fellow prisoner.

Not sure how you are placing JM in the same company as Garwood?
http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Tra_Last_POW.html
http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Notes_Paris_Peace.html

I love the imagery of Swaggart and BO interchanging, especially as it backs up what I've alway said ---BO is not a great speaker or even a goo speaker. He is a Baptist revival preacher who churns up emotion. Emotional appeals should ALWAYS et off alarm bells because they are intended to stop brain action. BO has appealed to people's emotion and nothing else because he talks about nothing else.

You have been cheated and it's not fair. You can fight back. You don't have to take it any more. You can do it.

Any who doubt that can look over the texts of his speeches and hear those exact words - what you can do!

Pogo - I will bust into that club of yours if you try to deny me entrance.

I have always liked Chris Cillizza since he has seemed so far to be able to to keep CM/KO at bay. Hope he continues to do so.

Interesting question raised by comment on one of the links ------ What would the DNC do if BO loses? It causes some amusing images.

pogo, I read the article you posted. I may have missed the meaning of it, but I balk at the "lumping" into voting groups. I did not come to support Hillary because she was a woman, but only when I looked at the three remaining candidates, and I think she would make the best president of the three. I do think it is more of a gut reaction than anything else, so if that if feminine, I plead guilty.

bethyboo, no busting in is necessary - all pleasant folk who enjoy good company and meet the 3 simple requirements are members - whether they want to be or not.

Later, all - LP has a swim meet.

liz - it's a numbers thing - historically women have split between R & D, while the white male working class has voted D more than R, but are a swing voting bloc since many of them vote their patriotism and prejudices in addition to their economic self interest. This election could change that, but I think that's what Matthews was referring to - or meant to be referring to.

CNN - Blitzer just announced that Ron Paul has suspended his campaign.

He is a Baptist revival preacher who churns up emotion. Posted by: bethyboo | June 12, 2008 4:49 PM

Finally, some one said that!
He talks like a teacher.
He even use the cadence.
It really bothers me.
Doesn't he know he's a politician?

not teacher, preacher.

You can fight back. You don't have to take it any more. You can do it. bethyboo

Bettyboo,
That stuf appeals to the 'young crowd".
It appeals to the 'rebel' traits we all have at that age..

According to "Kos", Washington State is firmly for Obama

"Yup, Washington definitely not a swing state
by kos

Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:30:22 AM PDT

Yesterday we saw a Rasmussen poll showing Obama defeating McCain 53-35 in Washington. Another poll by SUSA confirms the massive lead.

SurvyeUSA. 6/7-9. Likely voters. MoE 3.9% (5/16-18 results)

McCain (R) 39 (36)
Obama (D) 56 (52)"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/12/12173/5570

I am pleased about this because now I can vote for Hillary with a clear conscience. I liked what Jamie said about if it were a tight race she'd most likely vote Obama, but with his super lead in Washington State, I, Jamie and other Washingtonians for Clinton can vote for our preferred candidate without harming the official nominee.

I am definitely voting Gregoire. On the State level, a Republican governor would be a DISASTER for higher education and state workers. And Gregoire is a smart and good Governor, even if she endorsed Obama ;-) ... So Washingtonians don't forget to vote for Christine for Governor.

I am EuroTom and I approved this message.

MSNBC just said McCain gets 55% white men, Obama 35%
These numbers sure are sporadic

Lardass, thanks for the post re: Paul Newman...

And I was THRILLED to read that Paul Newman's friend and neighbor, A.E. Hotchner, was denying a reports that quotes him as saying the 83-year-old actor has cancer. Hotchner was the author of "Doris Day Her Own Story" which I first read when I was 15 years old... checked it out of the Anoka County Library in Minnesota and later bought a paperback and have read it two more times. He was extremely good at capturing the life of Ms. Day. I respect his work.

Ok that was sooo off-topic... what can I say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jG91sPvf0 <==== Click here for the answer

OMG ... you want to see something funny? Not at all related to politics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmx3XQ6Py2A

after working my butt off all day..... I finally catch up on the posts....

and what do I see lastly....... Gay Sera, Sera....... ET.... ROTFLMAO!!!!!

EuroTom, I wouldn't believe anything I read on DailyKooks anymore. They're all still drinking the Daily Koolaid.

As usual, my vote won't count for anything in November either, so I wouldn't even bother except for the Mitch McConnell race.

I'm out of here, going to attend yet another birthday party. My family is way too big. Have a good evening, all.

heheheh Renee, it cracked me up too. Now it is bed time for me.

jeejee ... the DailyKos people seem overwhelmingly PASSIONATE for Barack Obama. I've always considered myself left of liberal (when I lived in the states) and more centrist in Europe, but still liberal in most cases. What I find some self-puzzling is my disconnect with a website and it's participants wherein I should, in theory, find sympathetic allies. Oh well... I'll end on a positive note.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH1wyH3WaI4

"The Flintstones" was nothing more than a big lie. And that, my friends, is HUGE!

Lard shoots and scores.

KGC! The name stories are cracking me up....

And I can be absolved from my family's (new generation) name weirdness. I named mine Theresia Maria and Adam Grant. Nothing to look at over here, folks....

I went to the link about Larry Sinclair at the NPC (from KGC). Jane Hamsher has the story wrong - LS did not: "Larry Sinclair has accused Obama of murdering his pastor."

This is a link to a 38 minute interview done last Tuesday night - LS discusses the NPC.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_L_Sinclair_061008.mp3

Julie,

You mentioned that McCain wants Obama to do these town hall meetings. Obama doesn't want to do that because McCain does better in that format.

A Dr. Ronald Walters, the director of the African American Leadership Institute was on Bill Moyers Journal last Friday. He was talking about how giving speeches with a teleprompter was where Obama did best. I don't think that sounded like much of a complimentfor Obama. We need a president who can think on his feet not just read well.

And yes Craig, you are the Bloggerman!.

Another picture of my garden
http://showyourgarden.blogspot.com/

Jack

ET

Unfortunately, You will not be able to vote Hillary in Washington. There are no write ins allowed by state law. In invalidates your ballot. That is why I said I was voting the Green party for President and then down ballot all Democratic.

I'll double check that between now and November for changes, but that is how it is now.

For anyone else considering a write in, here are the rules by state

http://writehillaryin.com/Write_In_Facts_by_State.html

Flatus: If you are still here ... thanks for your comments regarding Admiral Stockdale. I knew him through a friend. I am not certain how many people knew that he was a professor of philosophy at Stanford as well as a poet. In contrast to his strange performance in the vice presidential debate format, as a speaker on behalf of Sen McCain at various rallies in San Diego county in 2000, he was articulate, witty, and still "with it"

ct: Damning with faint praise, eh?

Here is the Green Party page. They haven't had their convention yet, but there is a video of the Presidential candidate debate

http://www.gp.org/index.php

Pogo: With regard to your statement about white males voting Democratic ... I'm pretty sure the Democratic Party has not received a majority of the white male vote since Carter. However, I don't believe I've ever seen a 20% difference before.

Chloe - I know it appeals to younger voters, but it's emotional. That's why I don't like his speeches wish he wasn't given so much credit for being a great speaker. He doesn't speak - he harangues.

There sre a lot of mentions of Hitler these days and the media says there are too many. Perhaps there are too many, but the reason why so many people talk about Hitler isn't always the Holocaust. He comes to mind also because of his speaking style - he was the consumate emotional speaker. Do you think all those rabid Germans were thinking when they raised their salutes? Or the Italians?

No, they weren't thinking. They suspended their thoughts and became a screaming mob, and went out and did horrible horrible things. The crowds standing in the squares in Iran screaming for the Ayatolla weren't thinking. There is one brain working when a group of people get screaming like that - one brain with many skulls.

When a speaker works at creating a screaming ranting crowd, he/she is not trying to inform - the goal is to stifle thought. That's how Obama got noticed, because he distracted people from thinking, and it worked. Now we're stuck with choices I don't want to make.
He's not a great speaker - he harangues. That 's all I was saying.

I know that appeals to the young but it also appeals to seasoned veterans. It's insidious. "Question authority" has long been a very leftish mantra, but somehow the very left abandoned it. They chose emotion over reason.

He doesn't say much about what he will do - he repeats and reapeats what we can do. He's not a speaker - he's a salesman - he harangues until you buy.

Jamie: Aside from Cynthia McKinney, who are these people? Do you know anything about them at all?

Bettyboo: While I am in broad general agreement with your post, I think it would be better to compare Sen Obama to someone such as Huey Long, or one of the more well known televangelist.
To compare him to Hitler or Mussolini allows the reader to infer that you are suggesting Sen Obama is similarly evil. I appreciate that that is not what you are doing, but once either of these two are mentioned, your argument falls on deaf ears.
Of course, you could rationally argue that those taken in by mere rhetoric are pretty deaf to begin with.

He's not a speaker - he's a salesman - he harangues until you buy.

Posted by: bethyboo | June 12, 2008 6:50 PM

As I thought more about this last sentence of yours, I could not help laughing at the picture it painted ... Sen Obama in an infomercial, selling magic blenders or dozens of knives for the low low cost of only 19.99 a month ... and so on. Only at least with the infomercials you know what you're getting.

Bettyboo: While I am in broad general agreement with your post, I think it would be better to compare Sen Obama to someone such as Huey Long, or one of the more well known televangelist.
To compare him to Hitler or Mussolini allows the reader to infer that you are suggesting Sen Obama is similarly evil. I appreciate that that is not what you are doing, but once either of these two are mentioned, your argument falls on deaf ears.

Posted by: maggisd

Maggi: I'm glad you posted this. I was about to lose my ever-loving mind! Personally, I don't agree with bethyboo's analogy of Obama and the salesman, but I'm glad you stepped in on the Hitler issue.

PofU: It is simply that I recognize it as a losing argment. No matter how benignly it is offered, once Hitler is invoked that's the end of rationale thought.

I understand that you admire Sen Obama, but I have to reiterate that I am in broad general agreement with Bettyboo in that, so far as I can tell, Sen Obama consists of 25% soaring rhetoric and 75% David Axelrod.

I had occasion to learn a great deal about Bobby Jindal earlier today. While I must say that his political views are frighteningly far to the right, his record of accomplishment (at the age of 37) makes Sen Obama look like a slacker.

"Hitler is invoked that's the end of rationale thought."

It even has its own rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Katherine: Who'da thought there would be so much scholarly thought devoted to Hitler comparisons on the internet?

A Letter From Ron Paul:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Interesting article regarding AFL-CIO opposition to Sen Obama's newly appointed economic adviser. Aside from Prof Austin Goolsbey, he apparently had no economic adviser until now...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/business/12econ.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1213315421-Gi5hkEa/dk4BcTQVMIFrtw

champ: Are you a Ron Paul supporter?

Maggie

There are four candidates left in the running. If you click on their names at the following site, it will take you to their pages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(United_States)#Presidential_candidates

No Green has ever been elected to any office higher than State legislator (one of them in California), but they are on the ballot in at least 31 states which makes them a good protest vote in line with my basic politics.

Hell yeah I'm a Ron Paul supporter

Obama Youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLyoaHJuGTU&feature=related

Jamie: TY for the reference. I was just curious. I'm pretty certain that I will vote for McCain -- unless he chooses someone totally unacceptable as his running mate ... even though I am absolutely certain McCain can't win California, I wouldn't want to take a chance on some far right wing nut job ... one never knows. I'll look into the Greens as a back-up plan ... although CA does allow write ins and I might just move in that direction.

champ: Interesting. I hadn't realized.

So Gordo

What is a scoialist any way?

LOL
I don't know who is dumber. Some one who would create a video and not use spell check or someone that would post it without noticing

Jack

Gordo:

Do you even glance over the post before you post yourself. They were just talking about the invocation of Hitler is the end of rational thought, and you post an Obama=Hitler video. It's not even a good one. Ponderous, man.

I got a garden picture, Jack. Do I have to send it to you?

maggisd

Yeah -- it's because so many on both sides have a tendency to bring it up. I don't know if there is a similar rule for the use of the word fascist but there should be.

Champ
You don't have to but if you want?

send it to whskyjack at yahoo.com

I would be happy to post it. Add a few comment s if you like.

Jack

Ok, I'm going to actually go garden now. thanks

Katherine: What I find most interesting about the use (or misuse) of words such as fascist, socialist, etc., is that they are so often totally off the mark ... like describing a plan that helps people participate in the private insurance market a socialist plan.

OK...time to get ready to see the basketball game.

Why so upset, chump and whskyjerk?

So Gordo
If your so effing smart , what is a scoialist. Or did you even look at the video. Ha, you were the jerk off that created it. Next time use spell check.

Jack

whskyjerk ----------------

Better watch that blood pressure!

maggisd

Great observation. I think that true of most name calling.

Rocky Horror - Sweet Transvestite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcpvx2EVCpU

Jack

. Sen Obama in an infomercial, selling magic blenders or dozens of knives for the low low cost of only 19.99 a month ... and so on. Only at least with the infomercials you know what you're getting. Posted by: maggisd | June 12, 2008 7:00 PM

Can't quite picture him selling knives. Real Estate or land maybe. Would have to be something really big. That's how he thinks, big.

Hear, hear!!!

*loud applause*

I BELIEVE. Yes, I believe in this (TM) blogger!

I see him as the next Press Secretary.

tt

For you gordo

Rocky Horror Picture Show - I Can Make You A Man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8yWvx56GV8

Jack

whskyjerk ----------------

Calm down, drink some whiskey. Make that a lot of whiskey - you need it!

Hot Tuna - Uncle Sam Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltDMr7IVg9A

Jack

Get real folks,

All this jive about who is a racist, sexist... is just labeling people. You never really know until you spend time with them.

Today I had to do a verbal reprimand and record of conversation with one of my reporting people that was tossing the "n" word around. So her response was OK, I just won't say it around you anymore. She doesn't realize how close she is to applying for unemployment. And that is a sad fact beacuse this person is one of my best employees, aside from saying completely inappropriate things.

Jimi hendrix - Killing Floor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79PVlXAyCac

Jack

Bet Pete is still glad he didn't have to follow Jimi

"...Admiral Stockdale. I knew him through a friend. I am not certain how many people knew that he was a professor of philosophy at Stanford as well as a poet."

Maggie, back in the late '70s he wrote a fine piece for the Atlantic Monthly talking about what got him and his mates through their years in the Hanoi Hilton. The ink was hardly dry on the paper before the letters accusing him of being a brutish baby killer started arriving at the Atlantic. They published several of them.

I was completely taken aback by the vitriol in those letters.

I in turn, wrote a letter that was also published. I hope it gave Admiral Stockdale some comfort by letting him know that there were some of us out there that understood the feelings he was trying to express.

He was a great American.

".....the reason why so many people talk about Hitler isn't always the Holocaust. He comes to mind also because of his speaking style - he was the consumate emotional speaker....When a speaker works at creating a screaming ranting crowd, he/she is not trying to inform - the goal is to stifle thought."

bethyboo,
To me, the most bothersome thing about Obama is the control he seems to have over large groups of people at his rallies - the more people, the more in a trance they seem. You got me thinking about it with your post. It's seems almost cult like. It's like they're hypnotized and believe whatever it is he says.

Reagan had that charisma, but Obama seems to be more like the evangelical leaders that can lead their followers anywhere. They literally worship him (and I'm NOT talking about anyone on this site). I know your reference to Hitler was used to compare the mind control that he had over many. But with him, it was evil. And I don't think that about Obama. But back in Iowa, I had no idea who this guy was. And at that time, I didn't know anything about him and he had all these crowds worshiping him. It was a real turn-off.. It looked like mind control, at the time. Usually, someone who gets that much love and respect has to work a while for it. Immediately, they were under his spell. That seemed and seems dangerous to me.

It would have been nice if he had been around for a while and could have earned our trust and respect. Now it feels like he got it for free.

Probably so Champ
I wouldn't want to be the band to follow either one of them.
Jack

I in turn, wrote a letter that was also published. I hope it gave Admiral Stockdale some comfort by letting him know that there were some of us out there that understood the feelings he was trying to express. Posted by: Flatus | June 12, 2008 9:20 PM

Flatus, I know that your post was to maggi, but I still have to say that I applaud you for writing that letter. Most of all for your motivation in writing it: "letting him know that there were some of us out there that understood the feelings he was trying to express."

I'm sure he appreciated it.

"So her response was OK, I just won't say it around you anymore. "

Wow, Bow -- that's astonishing. As they say, whatta maroon.

This may be of interest to those considering who to vote for in November.

A video of Carly Fiorina posted at a po-Hillary women's website wherein she talks about the treatment Hillary received in this primary & explaining her reasons for supporting McCain.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/06/mccain_courts_c.html

Obama fans go wild when he gets new superdelegate boost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0lr37QwiA

Thank you Chloe.

Nick,
How's the a/c ? fixed I hope in the heat wave.
Hi, here is another one. we had neighbors whose last name was Pigg. I kid you not, they named their girls, Ima jean Pigg, And Ura jean Pigg. The girls suffered terribly in school due to their parents..

julie

Posted by: julie young 73 | June 12, 2008 3:37 PM

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Julie, we had a family by that name here too .. the oldest son went on to be a police office ... he got so many people making fun of his name that he changed it to Page ...

EuroTom, I wouldn't believe anything I read on DailyKooks anymore. They're all still drinking the Daily Koolaid.

As usual, my vote won't count for anything in November either, so I wouldn't even bother except for the Mitch McConnell race.

Posted by: jeejee | June 12, 2008 5:35 PM

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Yeah, me too, jeejee .. I'm soo hoping this is the year we get that SOB out!!
where in Ky are you, I'm up in Newport ..

Chloe: It would have been nice if he had been around for a while and could have earned our trust and respect. Now it feels like he got it for free.

Posted by: chloe | June 12, 2008 9:22 PM

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EXACTLY!! you read my mind ...

viv

PoU, Maggi, KGC, and anyone else who got involved in the discussion about you-know-who and various political parties of the 20th century.............

First, PoU, I understand you don't agree with my view of Obama, and that's fine. I know you don't,and wondered how you and the others would react to my comment. You were very restrained and I appreciate that. At least now you know my one of my reasons why I am hesitant about Obama.

Maggi and KGC - Last year maybe one of the reps in ?Congress referred to an opponent metaphorically as you-know-who, and he was chided gently for being just one of an army of people using such a comparison, and really it was being way over-done. I was glad to hear the media (can you believe it?) make that point because I also am very tired of such words and names
being neutralized and stripped of meaning due to such
injudicious usage. So I was quite interested in reading about Godwin's Law, and I basically agree with it.

Based on that info in wikipedia, I think I probably agree more closely with Richard Sexton, who was given credit by Godwin for being the source of his own theory, but both are very valid as rules of thumb.

Words like fascist,nazi, and socialist are at least fixed in people's minds as evil, that's it. The real meanings are notpart of most people's vocabulary - I use them very seldom for that reason. I spent too many years teaching their histories and when I use them I want them to convey their exact meanings.

When I chose to use you-know-who's name, I did so knowing it might cause just the reaction it did from all of you. I would like to point out that I did not use the name of the other you-know-who, nor did I use the words fascist, nazi, or socialist, precisely because I wasn't talking about politics but about speaking abilities and styles.

I didn't allude to Huey Long or any of the evangelical preachers since I don't want to seem to be "dissing" anyone's religious ideas and because I don't think Huey :Long is that much a part of people's consciousness today. You know about him and I do, but I don't think his name is as evocative as you-know-who's. To me, you-know-who's speeches and screaming crowds into rapture make a picture most people can call quickly to mind. Another name I could have used is Jim Jones because of all the allusions to kool-aid, but I didn't think of it. I admit I might not have used it even if I had thought of it.

So, what it amounts to is that everyone's response to me are very relevant, and I really appreciate them.
Nonetheless, I stand by everything and wouldn't change a word. Mike Godwin has a good point but it isn't a law, it's a suggestion, a prediction which even he says has exceptions. In this instance, I accepted my own judgement rather than his. I very strongly disagree with the idea that the mention of you-know-who is the end of rational thought.. For example, you continued to write rationally with your usual careful explanations. Such mention can be the beginning if irrational talk certainly, but I haven't read one word of irrationality from either of you.

I saw that he has a blog of some sort and tried to enter it with the paragraph in question, but don't know how to get into blogs so didn't do it. I'd find it interesting to know his reaction,and Richard Sexton's. If they found me guilty, I would find them wrong.

I liked the story of the imagined war room meeting which had trouble discussing the war plans without using the proscribed words. If you can't discuss speeches invoking the two most mesmerizing speakers of the 20th century, it's not a very worthwhile
discussion.

NOW, before anybody gets angry and thinks I have been flip, please don't think that.. I thought all this out when I wrote my comment, so it was all in my brain and ready to be written down. I love to throw this kind of thought around and put it out there for review - kind of preparing a defense ahead fo time. I didn't feel the need to defend myself and didn't feel attacked, but just had to furhter expalin myself. I hope you don't feel attacked or insulted either.

Good morning everyone.....

It is Friday...
I ma going to read the cpmments of the past 1 hours and hopefully get informed...
LOL

Obama has a "Let's work together" mantra? I once believed in working together to get the job done. However , at my job they discouraged working together. If you have too many people working together to get the job done it drives down efficiency. If you only have one person working to get the job done efficiency goes up.

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